torn eagle
Good Evening folks.
Been playing on and off for quite a while and have some mid investment in my heroes and basically followed the set up from ST Central.
I'd really appreciate a suggestion on any improvements and which hero should i get for 19th slot onwards.
Not really into loot build with thiefs.
Btw monk lvl 10 is the 19th slot, not a perm hero.
Much appreciated, thank you very much!
jagged juniper
(FYI: Your... everything is clearly visible when you take a screenshot of the window like this. This tool has a "Share Your Heroes" button at the top of the page.)
To actually answer your question though:
Since you're already following the STC Sample Roster, I'd say keep going. Jump to the next step and start phasing out some heroes to get more class diversity. At a glance, your weakest member of each element is looking like Brigitte, Shayla, Perceval, and Juetta.
You'll want to make a couple skill swaps here and there as well. I'd recommend these at a quick glance. Please feel free to ask if you're not sure on any of them (or why I haven't mentioned others).
to something with Defense
to a weapon skill (super high priority)
to something with Attack (high priority)
to something with Attack (high priority)
torn eagle
torn eagle
(FYI: Your... *everything* is clearly visible when you take a screenshot of the ...
Apologies, and thank you for mentioning that!
torn eagle
To actually answer your question though:
Since you're already following the STC...
Thank you very much for your advice, i'll focus on rerolling those skills ASAP, for additonal heroes i pretty much have 6 of each class, would you possibly have any recommendations which to take next (ie. a mage, monk, ranger) or it doesn't really matter?
jagged juniper
Please reread my previous comment.
For any new heroes, you can kinda go with whatever.
A Spellblade might not be a bad idea to help out with elemental barriers, although they're a nightmare to roll.
torn eagle
Please reread my previous comment.
Got it! Thanks a million!
torn eagle
You'll want to make a couple skill swaps here and there as well. I'd recommend t...
Btw just one more question about your mention for Burch, basically the only reason i promoted him is because i saw 3 out of 4 skills were marked as excellent and 1 is marked as good, should i not have done that or is it wastefull to promote knights at all?
jagged juniper
Little of column A, little of column B.
torn eagle
Got it, wont make them a priority then ^^
jagged juniper
(I'm typing a longer explanation, BTW)
torn eagle
ah hahaha thanks! :d
jagged juniper
First, those skill ratings aren't as important as you probably think they are. This is a VERY common pitfall. Overall skillset synergy is FAR more important than having four individually great skills. The example I always use as my goto is to imagine two Dancers with these two skillsets and gear loadouts. Gear is identical except for the weapon.
If you look at the Tracker for these two sets, you'll see that the first is four 
skills, the second is one with several lower rated skills. This second set also looks much worse if you're going based off skill rarity (which also doesn't matter as much as you probably think - another reason why I like this example so much).
Plug these two sets into the Hero Simulator and you'll see these numbers. The important ones are the Attack, Average Damage, and Crit Damage.
The second set has slightly higher numbers for Average Damage and Crit Damage. So what?
Look at the weapon.
Second set is using a T9 Dagger compared to a T13 Instrument of the first.
torn eagle
That's crazy! So even with first one showing so much more power rating , second has so much avg damage and crit, wow
torn eagle
got it, apologies
jagged juniper
This is because yes, the first set has better CD and will crit more frequently.
BUT.
The first set is also missing two massively critical pieces. It has no weapon skill (which is basically mandatory for attackers) and no bonus Attack. It will crit more frequently and has a higher multiplier, but the BASE damage value that those crits are working with is MUCH lower.
Second example is very simple. Here's two Berserkers with identical gear. Again, the first set has much better individual skills.
However, what can this set actually do? There's no skillset synergy at all. It has a weapon skill and some CD sure, but no Attack to multiply off of and no CHC to proc that CD. It has 
to increase the base stats of all equipment but nothing to multiply. It has good Evasion but can't take a hit if it doesn't dodge. Second set is the inverse. Again, the skills themselves are much weaker, but it's a much more cohesive whole. Every skill (while weak) has some sort of defensive value on it.
You can see this directly in the stats. The second set has higher HP and Defense (both are VERY important for Fighters) than the first.
Next part is easy. You asked:
or is it wastefull to promote knights at all?
And yeah, it kinda is. Not every class gains the same benefits from a promotion and many of them can do their jobs perfectly fine without one. This guide on STC goes into more detail on that: https://st-central.net/promotions-and-you/
I wrote this one myself, so please ask if something's not clear.
jagged juniper
That's crazy! So even with first one showing so much more power rating , second ...
Next up is this one.
doesn't mean squat.
The game only uses it in three places - quests have a minimum requirement, the Airship during the Dragon Invasion event uses it for calculating Airship Power, and it's used to show off. Aside from those three things, does literally nothing.
torn eagle
I sincerely appreciate the effort in trying to explain those details to me 😄
I'll check St Central for some hero comps which should be better than what i have, i currently have 14x lvl 4 skill dies and 5x lvl 2 skill dies.
This makes things definitely more understandeable , but also complicating xD , which is nice because it always leaves space for improvement.
I do have to admit i've never used the Hero simulator yet so i'll try to learn about that first.
I'd definitely like to ask for advice, i'm only missing 2 shopekeepers, and was thinking of getting Roland next, this should be the best option for improving my current roster if i'm not mistaken?
jagged juniper
Debatable.
Roland is ideally used for two cases:
Your roster isn't really close to the first, to be completely honest.
torn eagle
Yeeeah could've image that already, i found this on St Central as a reference and will try to change some skills along the way as a guidance manual
jagged juniper
This one is more of a "here's some examples of sets with synergy" graphic. You definitely should not view this as a "these are the only sets that work" thing.
torn eagle
Even though this is far from end, I'd appreciate some feedback when you get a second. I feel the rooster has been improved by a bit, keeping previous advice in mind I have re-specced to questing talent tree in order to re-spec heroes more efficiently, in your opinion what would be the priority of retirement?
I was thinking of retiring Brigitte first as Daisy is her replacement i'm currently preparing
jagged juniper
You need better element / archetype coverage. As previously mentioned, you're following the STC Sample roster so move to the next step.
Basically every hero here is fine at a glance. What are your thoughts on who would be good candidates to replace and why?
torn eagle
You need better element / archetype coverage. As previously mentioned, you're fo...
Well the thing is that I've reched the final step in the sample rooster document a while back and even have a few heroes more than what it's shown over there.
At this point i wanted to start re-rolling some of the worse heroes as i managed to re-spec and my hiring option + the merchant that has one skill re rollable will definitely make this easier.
I wanted to retire Brigitte first as she has the third skill as an HP skill while the rest are focused on defence and her replacement Daisy got that part covered.
When looking at others, i think both Jagen and Juetta (Geomancers) are kinda mid and could be replaced with better skills, also Perceval's skills don't really give that much attack power.
I feel that when looking at their skill synergy, those would be the first ones I'd replace, what do you think? 😄
On the other hand now that i think about it it might be better to retire the heroes that have only 3 skills first as they will be the easiest to re-roll, like the ranger :S
Btw, unrelated to the origin of the post, both my Jarl on lvl 39 and the Ranger stopped getting experience once they've hit the lvl 39.
I used some exp pots to lelv them up, but they just didn't get any exp from quests, don't think they've died every time they went out so i find it weird that they'd be on 0 exp lvl 39 for weeks.
jagged juniper
There's an additional phase to that sample roster. I mentioned previously that your roster needs better class / element diversity and that last phase of the sample roster aims to give you an idea of what that looks like. Short version: Aim to have three heroes / two archetypes per element. If you can do that, you're fine.
Brigitte is fine to retire since she's your weakest Knight. Jagen and Juetta are both fine if you swap out one skill to get more Attack ( for Jagen / or 
for Juetta). Perceval is fine but is probably your weakest Dancer.
Those heroes only have three skills because they're not promoted. Rubeus has an absolutely amazing set and is your only non-Dancer Air hero.
Idiot question: Is your guild's Training Hall 19 or 20?