@spice briarstill
Shell switching and consumables without moving hanfs from driving or aiming
Target lock
Manual zoom
#tourneys-discussion
floral python
gleaming pollen
Ye i play with OnePlus 6t at The moment
spice briar
yea pc isnt fair in competetives
floral python
Screen size is more of a personal preference, some cant play on small screens
gleaming pollen
3lmeri is mainly pc player
fringe galleon
Idk, when i saw his controls i thought how on earth he can play with them. He was only pc player until this year professionals
gentle sierra
Yes i do think someone that plays blitz and sees things from a pc screen has a huge advantage over someone who uses a phone for example
Try to aim at weak spot on a target thats far away when playing on touch , then try the same from pc
pallid raven
I'll just add, having a big screen isn't always a big advantage on pc. I personally minimise it and have it the size of an ipad mini
gentle sierra
Why dont u play on an ipad then?
pallid raven
because I don't own one
gentle sierra
On a phone ?🤔
pale finch
Meanwhile I play on a 27 inch screen when I play on pc so size is irrelevant for the bigger picture lol
pallid raven
yes, 5.5 inch
spice briar
imo screen size dont affect the gameplay at all, it all depends on the player
pale finch
There are people who does better on phone screens than on the 12.9 inch iPad just like people doing better in small pc screens than bigger
gentle sierra
I play on 5.5 inch phone so what ?
pallid raven
? why u become so offended?
leaden belfry
You can't really expect people to take their whole pc setup to the offline, whereas you can expect them to take their tablets or phones
gentle sierra
Not offended , just dont find any reason for the current system to change because people dont want to play on touch devices
I wanted to play in competitive so i switched from pc
pallid raven
in all pc tournament they have pre setup computers, so why would they need to bring their whole setup
vital obsidian
Will there be any more offlines is the more interesting q
median mason
Woah, long discussion. But I agree, someone pls bring Surface Book 15" to the offlines!!!
latent olive
interesting debate indeed - irony is that blitz was set up as a mobile touch game in other words to give the WOT peeps something to play when not nxt to their pc - yes pc players now play, but in fairness they do have an advantage to some extent - you dont need to wipe your screen every 3 games for one and the auto lock is pretty OP - even so, introducing pc to pro tours would take away what WOTB was initially designed for - namely touch - I know enough touch players who hate QT because pc players can play and they always feel they have a disadvantage against them .. oh woe is the world
I think the tours this year have been fantastic really, filled with upsets, excitement and class play. I do think the wild card should be extended to NA & Asia, and eventually I hope it does, but after watching the EU challengers there are certainly top clans in that who couldve made it into the top 8 but for whatever reason missed out - take IMMOR for example, just a poor start in the Ascent, but deserved to be in the challengers and compete for that WC place although losing out to APA who pulled the stops out in the Grand Final. If we didnt have these so called 'under dogs' it would be a boring tour really imho
winter swallow
I prefer smaller iPad over larger one. Fatigue is real in long gaming sessions.
south oyster
I can play both on PC and on PE, but on ipad mini is feeling more comfortable for me. Since my laptop is macbook air you know playing games are very harsh for the system
viscid python
@median mantle What message ?👀🤔😬
median mantle
The smartest one @viscid python
Actually I wanted to tag Moe who said weakest vs weakest and strongest vs strongest was a non sens
viscid python
Oh, ok. I kinfa realized it after u said smartest one. Since I dont think any of my msgs can be described that way🙄
remote tinsel
hey when next twister?
green plover
@median mantle it goes back to what jruediger said about there not being a lot of teams playing during ascents.
He was implying that it should be weakest v weakest and strongest v strongest to give the more worse off teams a chance to make it higher than other teams basically giving them an incentive to want to play. I dislike the idea and say it’s nonsense because once again what’s the point of a worse off team being let’s say in top 8? What exactly do they accomplish other than stealing a better teams spot in that category and bringing more exciting battles during professionals?
median mantle
Yes I totally agree with u
winter swallow
We need a rolling league format throughout the year with skilled based match making to incentivise people to play tournaments.
Hang on.
We've already got it.
digital reef
👀 weaker teams in top 8 big no no
pallid raven
who said it should be weakest vs weakest and strongest vs strongest?
manic pewter
Just let the weak teams go in twister cup and ruin the competitive gaming idea. Not working like that, to get in top 8 you gotta git gud
pallid raven
The thing is I don't think anyone has said it should be weakest vs weakest or strongest vs strongest. I think people are more talking about more of a chance to play for 5th to 8th place in a group (8 team group). As some clans make a team and only get to play one round as they are instantly knocked out against a top 8 team. All they really want is a chance to play against equal opponents, and possibly gain more points to help them progress in the lower end of the leader board.
You can tell them to "git gud" but for newer player who start of in lower league clans, if they are instantly knocked out and don't get a chance to at least make 5th in a group it can be quite discouraging. ofc they can play qt but they still won't always be playing against teams of the same level.
green plover
Sure you could make the ascent double elim or make it bo5 but it would take a lot more time and if it is a “lower league clans” the best clans on the server are most likely in the t10 ascents so they can practice against weaker opponents and work out their strats in the different tier ascents or quick tournament. You don’t just jump straight to t10 and expect to beat teams who have been practicing for months lol
pallid raven
lol, not what I am saying. I am saying just add a 5th - 8th place playoff
gleaming pollen
I mean the grandfinals shoud Be bo4 so it could Be a draw and everyone is a winner
mellow roost
That would imply both teams can win 2 matches
green plover
But what would that accomplish? 5-8th place playoff, they already get different rewards based off their rankings no?
pallid raven
@green plover u do realise they are people 2. They want to play games. Instead of instantly being discouraged. The majority of players start off like this and it's discouraging to just get to play one round.
@winter swallow what do you think?
or am I just being dumb, trying to appeal to the masses
manic pewter
There should be another tournament to 1-8, 9-16 and 17-32 and clans outside of that. 33 and above play with their skill level, but qualifiers to professional have to be cruel for someone
pallid raven
You do realise this won't affect top 16, as they will earn basically no points @manic pewter. Its just a chance for them to play more
green plover
you do realize that these kinds of tournaments are held twice a year so during the rest of the year during off season people can train and play at their own level
manic pewter
Do you realize people have to do time management for this system and what it means when theres even more games?
manic pewter
People have family, job, hobbies, work etc. Dont count them out. More matches = more time
pallid raven
like I said it won't add more time, look at the very well illustrated diagram.
green plover
so basically double elimination for lower bracket
pallid raven
yes, exactly. That is a way better way of explaining it
green plover
so now tell me how is that going to not add more time needed to schedule these matches and then for the teams to get on and play these matches and even then what makes you think teams would want to play after not getting top 4?
pallid raven
probably hard to understand, but in the example there are 3 time periods, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6 and the tournament fits inside the 3-6
green plover
you mean 5-6
pallid raven
@green plover do u at least think it is a somewhat viable idea
green plover
idk man I don't approve of 5-8 playing again just for someone to get 5th spot again. Doesn't make sense to me. That's basically the job of the point's to rank someone where they stand. Plus i dont see teams after being eliminated from top 4 want to play again just to move up 1 spot or down a spot.
manic pewter
if someone already secured their spot its not right they have to fight for it again
green plover
^
median mantle
the team has rage quit from discord
green plover
^ too
manic pewter
Best ways to keep players in this game and being interested in cw: Mad games is most entertaining game mode for majority and quick tournaments etc should be rewarding for everyone
pallid raven
That was the problem I thought about
manic pewter
Once/twice in year tournament isnt the right one to do that. Its weekly ones
Quick tournaments are doing that pretty well. There everyone is playing against teams with all kind of skill level and theres lives you dont drop out immediatly. And if you do you can go another round or tier
Some while ago in tournaments our second enemy was ALWAYS R2K and we beat them like once or twice in half an year but what we did? We went there all over again and got our ass beaten but easy way isnt the best.
pallid raven
There is a screen shot of a team which faced, r2k, raid, krkn and souls one after each other. I assume that is fun
pale finch
That’s the way you’re supposed to do it. When I formed R2K our main opponent was legion, they were better than us but we kept spamming trainings against them and eventually we beat them in prof @manic pewter
Just like win made it to the absolute top after training really hard for what, 3 years?
manic pewter
First twister for us was 4th tho
median mantle
Tough MM (R2k and raid) but that’s one QT out of thousands @pallid raven
manic pewter
W1N is made 29.5.17 So abit over 2 years of hard work.
manic pewter
Well we can say we always been one of top teams. Our goal still not reached thought. Fun fact i had 3,5k battles when i joined w1n
vital obsidian
It would be good for the game to encourage by all means to get broader playerbasis in cw be a bit supportive guys on the top
short tundra
RollingSwarm is absolutely correct. To keep tournament alive and get new players interested to play in it, you need to engage those players who have reached platinum and diamond league. After all it is those players who have demonstrated that they are seriously serious about this game.
You need to get them to participate in the tournament scene.
atomic tartan
Thats interesting, because comp players are the ones ridiculing Ratings as a battle spammers haven
winged anchor
It’s only to a point. Spamming gets you to 4500. But after that you need solid skill
flat goblet
Not really. At least not on NA.
manic pewter
Why on earth encounter battles are in ratings. Only reason i dont play them (wrong channel thought lets not move on that)
flat goblet
I don't play ratings simply because it's pubs but worse. The matchmaking simply creates two teams that have about equal average ratings. This just means that the higher you go in rank, in general, the worse your teammates get. Which is not the case for pretty much any other rating system ever created in any game that takes rating/rated games semi seriously. In blitz, you are almost always stuck in 'elo hell'. Of course, there really isn't a better alternative given the low player count, so a fix is unlikely.
manic pewter
Yea i can only imagine what it is in NA
atomic tartan
NA where the tunneling tryhards yolo the super unicums
Which by this point play 183s in ratings cuz it doesnt matter
manic pewter
Sounds fun 👀
winter swallow
@pallid raven yes! That's a great idea. @chilly terrace is this somethign WG could implement?
Basically, in terms of determining the strongest teams it works as per normal - but rather than getting knocked out, teams that lose go on to face each other and eventually a ranking of 1-8 is fully determined, rather than leaving 4 teams only having played 1 battle.
This system can retain the strongest versus weakest match-making principle, but might foster higher engagement levels from newer/weaker teams 🙂
faint scaffoldBOT
zevc11 юра#6322 has been warned.
chilly terrace
@winter swallow There is not big difference between this format and double elimination for 8 teams. And I don't see why this format better than DE
pallid raven
@chilly terrace how about in ascent tournaments
winter swallow
@chilly terrace it just means all teams play same number of matches. Mainly a comparison vs SE.
chilly terrace
@pallid raven If we implement such system in Ascents (we won't, because DE better than described scheme) or apply DE for Ascent, these tournament will be holding for ages.
@winter swallow Again: I don't see any reason why this scheme better than DE. But we don't want to apply DE for Ascents due the reasons described above.
@high frigate If you want to talk with Russian players, you must go there: https://discord.gg/cTDdm6.
Это англоязычный канал, по-русски можно здесь: https://discord.gg/cTDdm6
forest matrix
@chilly terrace as I understand the scheme from @pallid raven precisely allow the tournament not to hold for ages, as the upper bracket doesn't have to wait for the lower bracket to conclude.
But as I see it priority is clearly to get rid of the single elimination + ticket system that just led to create major influence of seeding system over teams performances. This was rly not relevant with so few teams.
vital obsidian
Agree with shogun, the ticket system was not good when so few teams it should be removed or reworked for next big tour
Otherwise tour quali system was ok
manic pewter
This year ticket system was best there ever been
vital obsidian
Yes we know w1n’s opinion but there are other’s opinions aswell
The seeding/ticket system did not encourage enough clans to even try, which is sad for blitz cw
digital reef
EGG
vital obsidian
But agree also its a step in good direction
gentle mango
I agree with laze
versed field
This ticket system makes it that we can always see right clans in top 8
vital obsidian
Might be but the whole blitz cw community is not healthy if most clans dont even try
gentle mango
Hmmmmm.... Why they don't try?
vital obsidian
Dunno
It should be analyzed. Not enough rewards? Auto matching in first round vs op ?
gentle mango
I remember professionals tournament when my team was on 1 group with r2k. It was unreal to become top8 clan.
digital reef
getting dunked in the first round is definetily not fun for newer/weaker clans that sometimes even struggle gathering people
and when people are finally gathered it is disappointing when it all ends in the first round
pallid raven
Ofc teams which made it to top 8 will say it was good and team which didn't will say it is bad. So the only opinion which matters is someone who didn't take part, but observed the whole thing from the sidelines. Basically Rolling
chilly terrace
@vital obsidian It's a season. The period of time when the strongest teams win. If some teams are not good enough for Ascent, they always can go to quick tournaments.
pallid raven
^ That I understand
vital obsidian
To get a broad upback for the important season and to be inspired and work to improve it would in my opinion be good to engage more teams. Otherwise cw will stay small.
manic pewter
The point is you cant please everyone and you definitely shouldnt when its about largest tournament in year where best teams go next stage. Theres weekly tournaments what should be encouraging weak/new clans to play
manic pewter
It would get players to participate if you get good rewards doing basically nothing but is that the point? You need to get people to play because its interesting and entertaining
vital obsidian
The point is to get them inspired and come back for the thrill
manic pewter
So now we get back on the point why it should be twister cup not other tournaments?
manic pewter
Theres tournaments weekly that could have way more effect than once in year hold one.
digital reef
Community tournaments are big brain 👀 i love the interesting concepts people come up with like 7/68, 3v3 and whatever
pallid raven
@manic pewter u sure? Team come back together just to play in the twister season.
gentle sierra
🤔
vital obsidian
#LGN2020
digital reef
literally the only important tournaments in the year are the spring season proff tourny and twister cuz they lead to an offline and have gucci cash as prize
manic pewter
Well wasnt here this year. Couldve been if prize was doubled
digital reef
nah, they just don't care
tired lark
Congratulations to EG for winning Twister professinoals tournament
digital reef
EG bad; EGG mvp
vital obsidian
Spring >> no offline 2019
2020 >> offlines?
digital reef
maybe
pure lava
🤔
wicked snow
EGG > EG
digital reef
EGG
pure lava
I remember wg did a blitzcoin tournament between 3 countries like 2 years ago...that was nice and i think would be a great ideea to implement this...best players of same nation in same team facing other countries.....pretty much like nations league in football
manic pewter
Europe country tournament sounds good
leaden belfry
@sonic iron @gentle sierra just an FYI - as per WG's request, the delay for tonight's stream is 3 minutes, not 5. So don't pick your final lineup for the first game of a matchup until the countdown for the room is below 3 minutes, just to be safe =) (between games there's only 2 minutes, so it's not an issue then)
please make sure your teams are aware of that =)
humble summit
oof.
gentle sierra
Thx for the info @leaden belfry
thorn shale
Nice
magic bay
Allow pc for twister
winter swallow
@leaden belfry its 3 minutes tour end and some minutes their end o7
leaden belfry
it's a little more, but I noticed with your stream that it definitely wasn't near 5 minutes >.>
So I'd rather have them be safe than sorry
winter swallow
Safe rather than countered lol
leaden belfry
ehehe
digital reef
inb4 clapped by counterstrats
pure lava
Today is the wildcard tournament?
digital reef
yas
pure lava
Dayum.....gl to Loca and APA..make a Eu final 😍
wheat aspen
EU win twister plz
short tundra
So who is the host for tonight? Amaunet or Rolling Swarm?
agile depot
i think Amaunet
short tundra
10 minutes to go. Good luck to all
thorn shale
When is the stream tonight? Is it 8pm EST?
gentle sierra
it has already started
opaque kite
"best of EU"
median mantle
@opaque kite ?
grim ore
Where do the crates happen?
strong bough
Mercy showed NO mercy. Easy prediction when ur enemy underestimate you and call yolo rush team.
RBmKrolling to minsk.
pallid raven
@strong bough lol
gentle sierra
when exactly did that happen ? only remember u talking teams down@strong bough 🍿
Dont remember us underestimating mercy
neon thistle
lol
atomic tartan
this guy again?
thorn shale
Imagine being that ignorant
atomic tartan
really? i wasn't even here the first time around and i find it justifiable to say that
gentle sierra
The ultra-experienced cw player
thorn shale
the “no mercy” line was really cringey not gonna lie
neon thistle
Imagine playing cw
gentle sierra
🤔
leaden belfry
Sorry to see you didn't make it, Baron/Loca. Really hoped you'd take it home <3
but especially on Castilla, Sopromat just played beautifully
faint scaffoldBOT
TearDawn#4409 has been warned.
median mantle
Imagine having to watch the matchs 2 hours after u learnt that the team you support has lost 😦
gentle sierra
Ye same😄 @leaden belfry
rapid relic
When i should got my fan containers
leaden belfry
depends
it takes a lot of effort and time and energy
and you can't decide halfway through you really don't want to after all, as you'd be letting your team down
@rapid relic It can take anything from 15 minutes to a couple of hours
thorn shale
The invite I got from void was literally “we need some one like you for our team”
fading pine
My 3 containers not credited
low badger
Depends, I like to sleep
fading pine
My containers not credited
leaden belfry
@fading pine it can take anything from 15 minutes to a few hours. So please be patient
fading pine
Alright thnx will wait
forest matrix
@manic pewter it’s not all about top’8, challengers tournament was also part of the twister season and this part was clearly biased by the ticket system.
Top 8 would have been exactly the same at the end without ticket btw
rapid relic
tnx @leaden belfry
supple quartz
#LetWhoopzieGo2Minsk
manic pewter
Not quite sure about that. There was teams that didnt get ticket and had a chance to get in top 8. Its about winning the right games
median mantle
Dont wast ur time buddy @manic pewter <<the part was biased>>....
Sorry, clearly biased
manic pewter
True that. Reasons are everywhere else than in mirror
Im saying there is no perfect tournament system and its always good to think options but in every way someone is having bad mood. It wasnt fun last twister when we was in same bracket than LGN. But as i remember we wasnt blaming system but we went to win ascents to wild card
hollow bolt
From an ousiders pov the tournaments are biased slightly towards the bigger and better clans, and its more difficult for an underdog to get through. This is much better than having it biased towards the worse clans, but still not perfect. There will never be a perfect system but the one you have now works great
median mantle
But, but, but, getting gut is not an option! Imagine having to think about strats and training. The system is rigged anyways
manic pewter
I have been there i know its not "fair" for everyone but it is in your own hands are you going to blame everything else or do you look mirror and go train more
green orchid
Uhm
gentle sierra
🤔
spice geode
🤔
manic pewter
🤔
green orchid
@gusty solar your pfp and nickname offends @wicked snow
gentle sierra
@median mantle gud*
spice geode
🤣🤣
faint scaffoldBOT
White Nigga (Pastor)#6539 has been warned.
magic bay
<@&481447501690568709> @gusty solar name offends me, I am actually shaking behind my pc right now
median mantle
I’m French so English isn’t a thing @gentle sierra 😹
green orchid
<@&481447501690568709> sry for the tag but can you tell TrolloxD to sort out his account
gentle sierra
😄
thorn shale
Stop pinging
magic bay
yes sorry for the tag btw
spice geode
Oop
green orchid
And PrayForRGHeNeedsAVisa
thorn shale
🙏
median mantle
Lmao
magic bay
Im actually offended he even PMS me saying dumb nignog
green orchid
@gusty solar your pfp still says a racial slur
vital obsidian
Danny op
median mantle
Who is Danny
vital obsidian
👀
faint scaffoldBOT
White Nigga (Pastor)#6539 was banned
gentle sierra
🤔
vital obsidian
🙃
median mantle
Where is it?
wicked snow
Algeria , Forest
faint scaffoldBOT
RG_[EG-]#2125 has been warned.
median mantle
Lul
magic bay
Hahhaa
green orchid
#offtopic
wicked snow
TJ OMG DUDE IT TOOK ME 10 mins to send that 5mb pic maaan
median mantle
Please sort ur pfp EG guys, it hurts my feelings rn
wicked snow
How ? @median mantle
green orchid
Our profile pics aren’t racist
median mantle
Différent logos for a same clan 👀😹
gentle sierra
What a fan 🤔
magic bay
Man LOCA needs my services for a logo this cant be the real one
supple quartz
#Whoopzie2Minsk
median mantle
Is nice tho @magic bay and it was free
supple quartz
@magic bay Respect the work of Quinoa, i'm pretty sure you're not doing better than him
magic bay
Oh official discord where u can get banned for sarcasm im out laterzzz
green orchid
@magic bay drop the uni logo real quick for a flex
magic bay
Hire me for 10k gold a hour
Nah I was joking as always hehe b4ron told me not to, to make people hate me less
vital obsidian
Why are ppl banned 🤔
gentle sierra
🤔
green orchid
#SayNoToRacism
vital obsidian
I want danny back ☺️
He no racist
magic bay
People in 2019 being racist
gentle sierra
Its b4r0n not b4ron smh @magic bay
magic bay
Sorry b5r1n
gentle sierra
🤔
vital obsidian
Who bans anyways its no ban bot
thorn shale
who wants to know?
magic bay
Leader of IMMOR
vital obsidian
@thorn shale pliiis unban danny
median mantle
No
green orchid
Asking for unban = ban
vital obsidian
Nooooo
faint scaffoldBOT
Benjamin#5807 was muted
thorn shale
sry but if the guy didnt ask I wouldnt have seen you trying to capslockspam the hell out of this channel
thorn shale
and unbans can only be achieved by the banned one asking the moderator who banned him, the descision will be made by wargaming staff and the whole moderator team then and only if all give it a go he gets unbanned. but we dont ban randomly, we have very right reasons if we ban. usually the highest sanction we give is 7day mute
wow
vital obsidian
So ban is 10 x worse than mute?
thorn shale
that being said lets continue talking bout tournaments
green orchid
He was justifiably banned anyways, the kid was being racist and didn’t heed to the 1 min warning given by TJFBleu
thorn shale
ban means u gone for a very long time, usually a year or longer
vital obsidian
Wow
median mantle
From a purely theoritical point of view what if a team which made it to Minsk used a shared account?
magic bay
Smh LOCA
vital obsidian
Really? That is though 👀
vital obsidian
Can a banned person read these chats?
pale finch
Server logs
leaden belfry
it's very hard to prove
@vital obsidian only if they make a second account,but that's difficult as Discord goes for IP bans
magic bay
@pale finch unban me on R2K discord
median mantle
Unbanned me from EROS discord 👀
magic bay
its dead anyway
vital obsidian
If you have a phone and tablet they have diff ip but its still same person
leaden belfry
the account would still be banned
thorn shale
usually sharing accounts is not wanted as it leads to trouble usually - so if wargaming finds out they wont give you any support anymore for that account. But nothing really happens.
IF that account was having tester status and had test vehicles like the current VK 90P, then the clan gets removed from topclan testing and the responsible people get a lot of trouble.
wasnt R2K involved with something like that?
leaden belfry
no
median mantle
No
leaden belfry
R2K had someone streaming the tank
magic bay
What if I decide to impersonate @green orchid
thorn shale
ah
leaden belfry
but they're talking about tournaments, Dustin, not testing
Sharing accounts isn't allowed
but it's hard to prove if someone is or isn't doing it
median mantle
Then u will get some skills @magic bay
spice briar
"topclan testing"
manic pewter
Not anymore thought
magic bay
@spice briar hi ask z1rd to unban me on r2k discord
green orchid
Why you trying to impersonate me dude @magic bay
magic bay
Ur my rolemodel
green orchid
I’ll ban you from EG server
thorn shale
well I dont know the standpoint on it exactly - Lets imagine Arianna is an clan account that techn. everyone of the clan can use; usually its not a problem, and I dont see a problem with it in tournaments as you cant switch people during the tournament either. but thats actually something to ask Wargaming and not us moderators🐠
cool
magic bay
@green orchid u already did my daily kick smh
spice briar
@magic bay i dont think he will unban you
magic bay
Shame rili
thorn shale
also sometimes other servers have different rules on sharing accounts. on NA i think its prohibited at all, on EU they just wont help you if you shared the account and have trouble like missing tanks
what about asia?
kool
gentle sierra
🤔
spice briar
lol
magic bay
Oh crep this is official better delete
pure lava
🤔
vital obsidian
But still i dont get how you can prove sharing cause it is allowed to log into your acc on any device
leaden belfry
@magic bay I'll give you one chance to apologise for that
because the log sees all
magic bay
@thorn shale im sincerly sorry
vital obsidian
(Against sharing tho )
leaden belfry
thank you
thorn shale
nah its fine, i did laugh tho XD @magic bay
magic bay
😄
vital obsidian
So which mercy got wildcard i did not look at the end of it
leaden belfry
Mercy Energy
vital obsidian
Pro?
median mantle
The one loosing the upper final before overcoming in the grand final 👀
vital obsidian
Well guess it does not matter mercy what mercy
Thats the clan with unreal stat in some tanks remember some 5 k average dmg in Maus 👀
vital obsidian
Only 4?
leaden belfry
5 at one point
and then left their two fv215b's behind in spawn and rushed with the rest
there were a few games in the finals today that looked very questionable to me
median mantle
True up to 5 lmao
vital obsidian
Mercy vs Mercy they pros
thorn shale
lmao
median mantle
Copy paste won tho
magic bay
i wont make another comment in fear of my pressence here good night
median mantle
Gn 👋
signal lagoon
Man, Twister Cup this year is gonna be so stupid. It's literally just gonna be FV-215b, Foch, and T-22 spam
And it's really dumb that T-22 is such a big part of the meta now considering that it's a stupid collector tank.
flat goblet
@signal lagoon every twister cup has been 'literally just x y and z tank"
signal lagoon
That's true
But what makes this year dumb is a collector tank is part of the lineups now
flat goblet
doesn't matter for twister, everyone gets it. I can see the argument for pre-twister.
mental yarrow
seven T-22 here we come
daring dune
press acc
eternal breach
it matters because obviously players who havent used it pre twister wil hardly start using it in twister
flat goblet
the tank cant be that hard to pick up, come on now
chilly hemlock
I actually wonder if t-22s will be in twister. They wouldn’t allow us to use chieftains at mm18
silver vapor
@chilly hemlock they are in wild card tho 🤔
flat goblet
They most likely will be allowed. Chieftain was allowed for last Twister.
obsidian vine
I don’t see why T22 is even a issue for twister since press accounts . And also this meta is pretty interesting, it’s not just 215b and Foch spam, IS4 and maus still are being used other tds can be affective as well
although I do wish auto loaders were in the meta. I like that play style
peak terrace
Better than previous comp meta where it was IS4s, E3s and Mice. Nowadays, you can see a little bit of everything. Foch, 268, E3, Maus, IS4, 215b, Progetto and T22. (RU still prefer 140 though)
Oh and E50M, can't forget that magnificent piece of German engineering
leaden belfry
I like the Spaghetti and the E5 having a role, but compared to the 215b, T22 and Foch, they have a less consistent track record
true thicket
What mediums do most teams like to use?
I haven't been keeping up with competitive play, and I'm a bit curious to learn more from the pros
peak terrace
In my opinion, E5 is overrated. 215b is just better.
pure lava
Bait other tenks in crossfire @true thicket
flat goblet
I'm really surprised people are trying E5. It's only slightly more flexible than before for 15-20s at a time, but it's still an E5, the DPM isn't that great, highly exploitable armor, etc.
true thicket
The E5s sides are a bit weak too
peak terrace
To answer your question about the mediums, I suppose it will depend on the region.
flat goblet
Mediums tend to include RU meds (140/T22), STB, some E50Ms and progettos.
pure lava
Spaghettos
peak terrace
I didn't think Progetto would make such an appearance in Twister, at least not so early. I was watching 7STAR right after 6.3 and they were running 2 of them almost every game and doing really well. Slowly other regions started trying it out.
flat goblet
well, they have the upsides of traditional clippers with little downsides. They sway a teamfight's direction in your favor early, and can still fire on reload after that. They also don't need to stay hidden while they wait for reload, so they aren't dead HP, on top of having better mobility than both 57 and 50B. The only downside it has compared to either is clip potential, and clip time for 57. But the benefits are massive.
atomic tartan
We tried E5s. Basically 215bs just performed better, even in maps and situations you’d expect having a mid mounted turret and HEAT pen to be advantages
wicked snow
@atomic tartan lies , u just like to camp in 215b 😏
atomic tartan
@wicked snow does that better than e5 as well 🙃
winter swallow
I whined the meta was trash before we started... what we've actually got is the most diverse meta we've ever had. Granted it is kind of wrong the t22 is only available for cash but other mediums are viable. Stb1. 65. Etc. -
winter swallow
Same. Pain to cast though as the action flares up so rapidly. Lovely spectacle mind you. Still - T22 as a collectable is indefensible 100% for fair comp play - but it's nowhere near as dominant as I thought it would be.
Seriously though, there's a very small number of tanks I haven't seen used... and that is really cool.
Also lol - let's not forget E7 4202 1v1'd and beat an enemy T-22
median mantle
I ve seen some t22 yesterday... 👀
silver vapor
some
median mantle
Only 4/5 per game, we need to relax and not over react 😹 @Maddox#0438
winter swallow
@median mantle I never saw more than 4 T-22's fielded during pro-season
FAR more common was a max of 2. I'm pretty sure FV215b spam was more prevalent...
silver vapor
let's do a yeet with 7 T-22 in offlines
oak veldt
Smh 7 bc ftw
gentle sierra
121*
silver vapor
7* 4202 would sound nice as well
winter swallow
I'll put it this way - I've never seen 7 of anything do well in a proper tournament.
No matter what strengths you bring to the table, you've also got massive - obvious - and predictable weaknesses. 7 T-22's? You'll get shut down by a diverse unit that anticipates your yolo-rush through mid.
thorn shale
7 IS4S taps head
summer pivot
7 FOCH will do it
vital obsidian
7 kennys
winter swallow
Try it. I'll enjoy casting the delicious irony of your defeat. 😋
vital obsidian
Buuhaa come try in next t3 tour
So how is the season continuing? We wait for Minsk, will there be any other tours than qt meanwhile?
Will be a boring waiting 👀
thorn shale
TJ knows all about a ton of IS-4s
winter swallow
@vital obsidian there'll be QT's (clan and non-clan) but I don't see anything else listed in-game rn.
vital obsidian
Ik its kinda pointless
oak veldt
Technically 2016 was just 7 140s on every map
dim pivot
Peak of esports in blitz ecksdee
silver vapor
peak of wotblitz esports is when you leave the scene @dim pivot
dim pivot
Facts facts facts...?
oak veldt
X
hollow bolt
The nice mix of OP tanks give variety but it ruins the main game 🤷♀️
civic glacier
@toxic lintel hi it’s been a while
winter swallow
@strong bough - show matches aren't good indicatros of viable meta. + July 2019 is pre-patch 6.2, so isn't really accurate reflection of current meta.
flat goblet
Disregard, he is big brain and therefore correct
thorn shale
@thorn shale #tourneys-team-search
gentle sierra
🤦
strong bough
@winter swallow Yes, this is why nobody use it.
winter swallow
lol. T-22 was used less than FV215b. It featured but I mean we also saw T-62a / 140 / stb1 / e50m / 4202 ....
strong bough
@winter swallow I dont know why people think t22 is op.
winter swallow
lol - it is very powerful.
strong bough
@winter swallow Not for tournaments because of the gun.
gentle sierra
Yes thats why u see most clans use 2 of them most of the time , cause its not good
manic pewter
140 has better mobility and gun, t22 is safer choice for hulldown and circling heavies
winter swallow
They are diverse.
T-22 proved its value in the professionals. Most top-tier teams can now field 2-4. And they do. And they will continue to do so because of its unique attributes.
strong bough
@thorn shale it is better if u play tactical position game, but rbmk and 7star preaching dynamic game style , they always trying to lead the points, if not they will find the weak spot going to use the perfectly polished focus fire. They also become famous on ru server, because of they devastating counter attack.
winter swallow
@strong bough what's your in-game name and on which server(s) do you play?
thorn shale
@strong bough how is that related to what I was saying about the T22? 🤔
green plover
He’s an ru fanboy who just likes to watch streams and argue points which he cannot back up 👀
median mantle
I m also a ru strats fan who enjoys watching streams 👀
thorn shale
You're inviting me? I just don't have any friends in the game to play
green plover
@median mantle oh but do you do the end part of what I said? 👀
@thorn shale go to #tourneys-team-search and ask there for a team and say what server you’re in.
median mantle
No I just argue about the seeding system (being quite ok imo) 😹 @green plover
green plover
😂
faint scaffoldBOT
petruha#8639 has been warned.
strong bough
@thorn shale Now we going back to match when 7 "perfect "t22s lost against 140s and e50s, apparently it's question about team coordination not about to find best tank.
thorn shale
Huh?
I never said T22 was perfect... I said it was better than the 140 or 62A for comp use... any experienced CW player here would agree that T22 is more useful than 140 9/10 times
@strong bough and to rollings point, it was a show match, so trying to draw serious conclusions about meta and strategy from a show match is always going to be a flawed idea
gentle sierra
@thorn shale key word "experienced" cw player
green orchid
yes t22 > 140 but who cares cos it’s balanced by its power to weight ratio!
gentle sierra
😂
green orchid
You nerf the turrets of the 140 and 62 but for what when the t22 has a pre nerf soviet medium turret
gentle sierra
And the gun doesnt even matter that much in close range where the t22 is used at most of the time
thorn shale
^^^^
faint scaffoldBOT
Rebeldesincausa#8865 has been warned.
vague obsidian
Well let’s just introduce a op med with is4 Turnert stars a troll size and an angled hull and make it cost money genius🔮🙌🏽
neon thistle
Heh
faint raptor
jolly cloud
Hello everyone, I can't wait to see the next tournament stream.
jovial moth
Does your back hurt? @chilly hemlock
short tundra
My internet quota is hurt from all the live stream 😁 😁
green plover
@shy kiln that’s the channel you get recruited or recruit to your team.
peak terrace
#Moe4Mod
green orchid
#revivetournamentschannel
vital obsidian
#reviewtournaments
hollow bolt
#youthinkthisisdeadtryratings
pallid raven
#rolling2minsk
topaz charm
#Rolling2Minsk
magic bay
#CancelMinsk
alpine adder
#whatsWithTheHashtags
crisp shore
#rolling2minsk
pure lava
🤔
green plover
@dapper flume That doesn’t belong here. This is tournament channel not replay channel.
versed trail
faint scaffoldBOT
Warning logged for tijer_force#9017. They were not warned.
dull marten
@Amaunet85#6770 thank you very much for the videos of post-live twister and season tourneys. :)
topaz charm
#rolling2minsk
timber grotto
#rolling2minsk
jade spoke
#rolling2minsk
versed field
#Olling2Minsk
median mason
#Minsk2Rolling
topaz charm
that is next level hashtag☝ 😂
upbeat moth
No spam please
leaden belfry
@dull marten you're very welcome =) Hope you enjoyed them ^_^
spice geode
🤔
winter swallow
so.... that video.... eh?
thorn shale
Masterclass
gentle sierra
The cringe .....
thorn shale
😂
humble summit
the monkey is good
winter swallow
OH YES! Team Avatars ftw! That is pretty exciting thought tbh.
vital obsidian
@winter swallow got your flight ticket yet?
winter swallow
@vital obsidian 😔
I will do same I did last year, watch on my own with a crate of tasty beverages to keep me company.
gentle sierra
No rolling to minsk ?😠
silver vapor
ono
thorn shale
Are the team avatars perm or temp?
silver vapor
just make it
- permanent
- give it to me
- no one else gets it
winter swallow
To clarify - WG haven't told me no yet. They just haven't told me anything 🙈
crisp shore
They must have lost their sanity if RollingSwarm isn't invited! #rolling2minsk
silver vapor
@winter swallow surely we meet at Minsk and have a good chat
and also @leaden belfry if possible
vital obsidian
👍
pure lava
🤔
slender fern
We want rolling
pure lava
In Minsk
green plover
@median mantle november EU team going is LOCA sponsored by shakira 👀
median mantle
Lol. That is a serious question tho
thorn shale
Who drank the dumbdumb juice to think that twister video was a good idea?
Unbelievably cringey
leaden belfry
When the twister cup preview says there is none 🙃
low badger
I NEED GORILLA AVATAR
pastel wedge
... what’s happened to the fcm50 giveaway in Asia? Did I miss something?
silver vapor
@pastel wedge uhhh.... There wasn't a giveaway to begin with?
pastel wedge
With the coins from watching some people win tournaments depriving us of sleep etc.
leaden belfry
@pastel wedge twister season isn't over. If you had read the news about it, you'd know exactly that stuff will still happen regarding the coins and the fcm
pastel wedge
I still see others not sure, so cool...I’m reading everything that pops up, and it’s not clear anywhere, especially in such cases where different servers get more coin reward streams and one stream per day live only, on top of the PK on blitz stream not even happening... forgive me for not knowing what everyone else knows, but to me it’s very vague, at best. I wouldn’t even say I could find the “goal” to reach in my server, or any other server. So I’m not certain that anyone knows exactly how many coins they should have to begin with. But. I can wait, plenty of other things to do.
vital obsidian
Will there be anything sort of rewards for active clans in qt during this middle-of-twister-season-when-nothing-happens
Kinda boring month 🤔
leaden belfry
@pastel wedge PK's stream not happening was compensated the next day by letting Fugit's replacement stream earn all the crates people didn't get the day before extra.
As for the news, I don't think this is very vague in any way
But maybe that's just me 🤷♀️
green plover
@vital obsidian unfortunately i dont think so just regular rewards
winter swallow
@thorn shale it's most likeyl targeted for CIS audience.... the same video (English lyrcis) uploaded to CIS YT Channel...
Coins can be used to buy stuff early November. Does anyone else actually read the news? Like - WG have told us exactly how it will work lol
leaden belfry
@winter swallow if I've learned anything from doing the crate streams and things like this, it's that reading is a superpower nearly as rare as common sense 🙃
silver vapor
aye
winter swallow
Yeh that's actually a good point. Hell, people don't even listen when you spell something out (I.e. how to get containers).
Faith in Blitz player base diminished
flat goblet
This new twister format is not new
leaden belfry
@winter swallow when do I get my containers?
pure lava
🤔
dire jacinth
Lol @winter swallow @leaden belfry so true. Like there are still ppl asking around how to get the rating camos
summer pivot
Rolling2Minsk
winter swallow
@leaden belfry 😢 pls no
magic bay
I predict twister will be canceled due to a russian hack so they unfortunatly have to postphone the 100k prizepool for next year
thorn shale
@magic bay huh?
thorn shale
@magic bay last warning. No political discussion or references
magic bay
Okay ehm EG will win
Rolling2Minsk!!
Man where are my containers I miss them from two streams SMH
summer pivot
That was great https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631121671851343872/631135343902720010/Screenshot_1050.png
short tundra
@summer pivot like battle ship line forming to crossing the T of the enemy
summer pivot
@vital obsidian both went to minsk
vital obsidian
🤔
summer pivot
Honestly , I think they will meet again the offline final. RU players are so OP
vital obsidian
hope not, no interesting
summer pivot
RBMK won wild card nob
vital obsidian
yea i looked quickly it looked like 2 the mercy teams 😂
green plover
RU will win twister
thorn shale
A betting man would definitely put his money on RU
pure lava
opaa
pale finch
Tbh RU are favorites, if you are a used gambler you would most likely not put your money on the favorites. The underdogs is what generates the real moola
Unless you’re a big shot willing to play low risk low reward on the favorites that is, but that would require a fairly big sized bet to generate proper income and be worth the risk
gleaming pollen
Basicly you want to bet to The most underrated team witch has real potential like The Na team :)
pale finch
At least a bookie wouldn’t want you throwing money at the russkis
thorn shale
I'm hoping for NA to take it. RU and EU need to be humbled a bit.
civic glacier
😃
gentle sierra
🤔
green plover
NA team 👎
last stratus
😎
timber grotto
The same could be said of you @thorn shale
thorn shale
I'm perfectly humble. It's honestly hard to be this humble.
austere hollow
Ermin#5188
pure lava
👀
spice briar
asia will win it
foggy torrent
NA team 🔥
pallid raven
South America will win
green plover
7star > every other team
molten tendon
LETTHEMETALFLOW
vague obsidian
@thorn shale if I bet then I’ll be a lucky player 👀
atomic tartan
@thorn shale i'd like to think losing humbles people.
thorn shale
I can confirm that it does. @atomic tartan
green plover
How do you become more humble if you’re already the most humblest person? 🤔
vague obsidian
I am very speed but u a lucky player ☘️😉
summer pivot
every single player in 7STAR can carry the a team alone. That's why they are so OP. Other teams are depended on some players 2 or 3 players
They do the job . But not like 7 star
green plover
Agreed
thorn shale
NA in Grand Finals though. e z
versed field
I bet my moneys for china
winter swallow
@thorn shale NA and EU need to be humbled? Are you mad bro? Do you know how much chat comes out of the CIS server EVERY SINGLE DAMN YEAR?! Honestly, it's been nice to see CIS humbled after Twister 2017 and Twister 2018.
Granted, if they win this year it won't be a huge upset as the teams are the best they've ever been coming out of CIS region. And CIS should really win a Twister title sooner rather than later to avoid becoming a meme. I mean, CIS has almost double the players of the other 3 main servers combined - it should be nigh on impossible for them to lose, at yet - here we are.
vital obsidian
New meta born in ussr
winter swallow
Well, all they are doing is adopting some WoT standard gameplay - i.e. the FV215b staircase on Faust - staircasing is stnadard on WoT due to heavies actually being damn hard to pen at times.
alpine adder
one of the reasons I wanted E7 to get through, they probably weren’t gonna won much, but they were going to Sh*t on the meta and go full meme
timber grotto
It’s always funny when someone who doesn’t know the first thing about comp and barely plays tier ten tries to talk. We all know who I’m talking about.
thorn shale
@winter swallow in my defense I said RU and EU
winter swallow
ah sorry my bad lol
thorn shale
It's all good
winter swallow
#nowifeellikeatit
thorn shale
lol
topaz charm
#rolling2minsk
winter swallow
9th November - one month to go. 31 days of patience. ... ... ... the wait is going to kill me.
median mason
#minsk2rolling
thorn shale
@light sluice #tourneys-team-search or #clan-recruitment channel would be best for you
light sluice
Thanks Man!
magic bay
If u cant bring rolling 2 minsk
bring minsk 2 rolling
pure lava
opaa
thorn shale
Lmao
toxic lintel
#FullHpAmmorack2Minsk
green plover
Yes ^ just make a game mode where you just have to shoot once and the enemy tank gets ammoracked
civic glacier
@toxic lintel hi
spring wadi
#rolling2minsk1941
graceful jetty
Woahwoahwahwaowhaowah
velvet dome
LMAO
0-42 kmh real quick
coz thats how fast panzer tanks went at that time.
humble summit
I think the NA team has a solid chance if they manage to not get shot at through the course of each battle series, this will greatly help their chances of victory.
oak veldt
Well step one and the most impt step: pray to rngsus and hope for no full hp ammorack again
humble summit
🙏🏼 i give my RNG as tribute for Reign. amen and amen
fierce stag
German ?
slender fern
RGN in finals
crisp shore
FEAST rumbling to the finals with their focus fire and comeback spirit 😉
faint scaffoldBOT
idbchwkbxjdb#6433 has been warned.
thorn shale
@slender fern that would be a dream
But my bet is on RU vs EU or RU vs RU final
@past robin chat in #off-topic-discussion
digital reef
this year i'd say 3 servers have a chance of taking the cup
gentle sierra
China #1
civic glacier
^
mental yarrow
Watch Asia vs China for grand finals
flat goblet
😬
low badger
i need
mellow aurora
China is numba 1
timber grotto
If that happened tianshi would come back to life and poach both teams
silver vapor
Who that
peak terrace
A Legend.
graceful jetty
@silver vapor when u get to GF, please learn from our failures and use 7 bc properly
silver vapor
🤔
low badger
Tianshi is the greatest clan lead there ever was.
silver vapor
Hmmmst
dim pivot
Imagine another asian team gets banned
We'd be playing twister with 4 teams next year ecksdee
silver vapor
Inb4 no twister for Asia next year becoz too much rigging
oak veldt
Ye we alr knew that and decided to die and not waste time yes
dim pivot
outstanding move
jade spoke
Asia ded 6 teams in tier 8 tournament kek
faint scaffoldBOT
7_Pongi_ [D7]#6599 has been warned.
dim pivot
@jade spoke i saw 19 teams at the end so idk what server ur on aboot
winter swallow
I will petition WG for an 8 team, 2 day Twister 2020.
5th edition of the event. 2020 is a big year anyways - new decade new dreams etc.
pale finch
I think all comp players will support you
summer pivot
I agree on getting any more money from WG
vital obsidian
How about springoffline back 👀
vagrant phoenix
@golden lion lmao reminds me of two NA teams that tried to rig into top 8 but failed
narrow meteor
except they didnt rig for that team at all
chilly hemlock
@golden lion naming and shaming no?
thorn shale
@narrow meteor you have knowledge of what @vagrant phoenix speaks about?
narrow meteor
No, I just know whenever Scamo played Pramo they lost
That scamo team had very unfortunate luck I’ll tell you that
thorn shale
Tbf, @vagrant phoenix didn’t ever mention scamo
Perhaps you have the wrong idea of what he means
narrow meteor
Yeah but I know he was thinking it
winged anchor
😱
vagrant phoenix
I wasn't referring to match throwing between Scamo and Pramo. Your argument would still be invalid because Scamo only faced Pramo early in the ascents, when Scamo thought they would make top 8 without any match throwing.
chilly hemlock
@vagrant phoenix I think clarification would help the situation
timber grotto
I think most people know what he's talking about anyway
winged anchor
And you would need to prove ur point which frankly I doubt you could do which makes accusations absurd
timber grotto
China Because we'd get good memes 😂
vagrant phoenix
China
vital obsidian
Strange ppl assume ppl knows what someone talks about but no one have a clue 🤔
timber grotto
Would anyone actually be mad if China won?
vital obsidian
- fault
leaden belfry
^ that 😂
green plover
i agree, if the chinese server won then it would be an outstanding accomplishment.
timber grotto
LGN will come back and clap everyone
graceful jetty
WG would revert back to 2016 meta and ID would revive and clap everyone since theres no C4 to stop them
flat goblet
🤔
chilly hemlock
I miss Lgn
vital obsidian
yep
its not the same without the legends
mby if there were a bit better rewards as motivation
so many great cw players say they have not much interest anymore
maybe if a real money tour would be on now and then, maybe the guys would keep on playing instead of going afk
flat goblet
It’s not consistent
thorn shale
Hej
obsidian vine
From a “none bias” perspective. I think EU will have the highest chance on winning twister. but I do also think NA will surprise a lot of people with how well they will do. honestly wouldn’t be shocked if NA won. but rn i thinnnnk EU will take it. Imo RU are over rated and Asia and China are definitely the under dogs. what do u guys think
From my perspective Seeing and training with reign, I have high hopes in them winning, but I don’t want to jinx it lol 😂
pale finch
This is Russia’s year, best teams they’ve ever sent by far.
toxic lintel
@obsidian vine Its gonna depend on which 7 are actually playing. I wouldnt predict EU winning until the lineup is announced first.
same for every other team
pale finch
Eu lineup is announced @toxic lintel
manic pewter
I bet for RU too. EG lost 2 best players and if they dont have balls to play mercy and 7star is going to run over. NA have a good chance dont underestimate them but asia and china are just, well not there yet. From my experience loca and eg have same skill level and how mercy played vs loca i think they gonna be strong in Minsk
pale finch
RG, Romka, Ventnom, Hidde, Papasten (lgn), the_edg4r (carna) and nikkolade
So from their online team they’re missing whoopzie, bot4u, shokkoalde, winch and orkaa
green plover
Money is on RU. If I could bet credits I’d put 20m on 7star.
obsidian vine
interesting
heavy nymph
😀
pure lava
🤔
digital reef
👀 @thorn shale get outta here
It's either gonna be RU or NA while EU are the underdogs
pale finch
Referring to EU as an underdog compared to NA is a huge yikes from me.
digital reef
i mean...
silver vapor
Lmao true
digital reef
just to be clear out of the 3 teams of NA RU EU I would call EU the underdog in that match up because of the fact they lost 3 regular players pretty much half of the team
manic pewter
Those players who they took in team have still played with each other for time to time. They arent completely new with each other. They been in Big Game and eros and i dont even remember how many teams they have done lol
digital reef
welp we will see 👀
manic carbon
Is the offline the same format as last year or have they not announced?
digital reef
same
manic carbon
Oof bo3 was weak sauce
thorn shale
Ahoj
dim pivot
Wait i read it was bo5 dis time and bo7 for GF
manic carbon
Ooo hope you are correct. Cuz bo3 might as well be a coin toss
silver vapor
is there any NDA on the stuff wargaming sent us via email or wat
because Twister cup offlines regulations are within those email 🤔
pale finch
I don’t think they’d be too keen on you sharing the information in the emails, at least I remember being told that all the information received was for your team only.
silver vapor
lol okay - just had a read on it - still 1 map 1 spawn and not 1 map 2 spawns ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but yeah, I *hope* it's BO5 and actually no ammo racks for anyone 🙃
wicked snow
We have 3 from former top team actually @pale finch @manic pewter , But Ed and sten r decent replacements for like winch +orka/shokk
pale finch
?
wicked snow
3/7 r from original top team (online finals team ) @pale finch
pale finch
I know but why’d you tag me xD
wicked snow
Just wanted to confirm what u said to lazeri @pale finch
manic pewter
Thanks @wicked snow 👍
wicked snow
Np mate ! Wanted to share info because the line up we have rn is different from the one that played vs LOCA for example in finals , we r trying to train as much as possible with current team to build up chemistry ect @manic pewter
one of the biggest issues we r facing is that we lost 2 main callers
vital obsidian
hidde is op no worries
green plover
@wicked snow thanks for giving lineup man, goodluck
wicked snow
What ze heck u doing 😂😂😂 @green plover
fathom tiger
#Winch2Minsk2019
faint scaffoldBOT
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green plover
warned twice for what?
fathom tiger
Off topic would be my guess
vital obsidian
Never been warned before 🤔 mkay
Will i now get second warning 🤔
If so, time to delete this server
green plover
made a comment thanking rg for the minsk lineup and 2nd comment was telling rg to join me and shokk which would be for a quick tournament for tmrw so i dont know how that is off topic
green orchid
xd
manic pewter
Another warning incoming? 😂
vital obsidian
And i said i wont play cod cause it make me seasick mkay
grim shadow
3rd warning for discussing this?
green orchid
CoD Mobile > Blitz don’t@me cos you’re just gonna warn me anyways
vital obsidian
Guess yea 🤷♀️
green plover
well no mod is coming forward and saying their reason for warning so dunno who to message
grim shadow
Reason for warning should be DMed to you
vital obsidian
Blitz tours dont make me seasick so I keep to topic mkay ?
upbeat moth
well no mod is coming forward and saying their reason for warning so dunno who to message
green plover
alright lets go DM
faint scaffoldBOT
RG_[EG-]#2125 has been warned.
wicked snow
Seriously @thorn shale
thorn shale
I meant to warn you
wicked snow
Earlier ? @thorn shale
wicked snow
Thought u warned me just for fun was like what the heck 😂😂😂 @thorn shale
thorn shale
Nah nah 😂
Just don’t talk about COD here, use #off-topic-discussion
No biggie tho 😄
faint scaffoldBOT
Paul_Botirla#1180 has been warned.
barren gate
@thorn shale
thorn shale
what's up?
barren gate
Gib veteran role plz ^^
vital obsidian
why
slim token
I wondered when tournaments will be offered on Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday again. These were great nights for us 🙂
fringe cairn
Tanks tanks the maus who is a faf boi
digital reef
let's go play some cry of respect
pallid raven
Top 3 Reasons why Rolling should go To Minsk
- He deserves it. (Has been the commentator through out the whole process)
- If he goes people will actually watch it, because he speaks and understands the game. (tbh if he isn't there, I probably won't watch it)
- He has a sexy beard. Like what more do you want.
digital reef
I came from the future and there Rolling went to Twister so nothing to worry about
vital obsidian
- He has full support from so many
pallid raven
- He actually cares
oak veldt
6. His voice is kinda hawt
digital reef
- Beard
manic pewter
- Pancakes are delicious
leaden belfry
- Bacon
fiery plinth
- he has experience and more ** BREAD **
gleaming pollen
- we missed 11
silver vapor
- totally not anyone fault that we missed 11, so Minsk is cold and lovely
winter swallow
- He is growing beard out especially in case he is invited to Minsk. Built in scarf useful.
graceful jetty
- He needs some compensation after watching teams rub prof camos in his face the entire season
silver vapor
16. Also where he managed to not get the Steam 95% off dlc for graphite camo into the correct region account
manic pewter
- Never forget 16.
winter swallow
- 😭 16
atomic tartan
- If I win I get to shave Rolling on stream.
chilly hemlock
@winter swallow do you consent to this?
bleak crypt
22.i want to hear “random team name” blue team South spawn, “random team name” red team north spawn
chilly hemlock
- @atomic tartan shave the WoTB logo into your hair
atomic tartan
Sounds like something that could go horribly wrong
winter swallow
Or wonderfully - nay - gloriously right
atomic tartan
Aight if i win 1) i get to shave rolling’s beard on stream and 2) i’ll get the blitz logo on the side of my head
thorn shale
That seems fair
chilly hemlock
I back this
winter swallow
Seconded
chilly hemlock
I hope for rolling’s sake, you use an electric razor
atomic tartan
Fingernail cutter. One strand at a time
thorn shale
atomic tartan
We gonna have an 8 hour stream where the total games played time is gonna be an hour and the other 7 is going to be Rolling getting his beard styled
vital obsidian
👍
fringe galleon
So this means Rolling will be in Minsk 😉
dim pivot
Someone shud make a compilation of rolling saying that @bleak crypt
Its pretty satisfying for some reason
winter swallow
@pallid raven
dim pivot
liked
oak veldt
Ooof legit hawt
humble summit
this is good. rolling and amaunet should honestly both go. the counterpoint would be good.
digital reef
Red team blue spawn
winter swallow
Agree @humble summit - Amaunet and I would cover all the bases between us.
winter swallow
@atomic tartan didni just agree to you shaving my beard?!?!
Idk how valid that is as I was mentally incapacitated during a gym session
manic pewter
Only if they win 😅
winter swallow
Yes but I'd give NA alarmingly good odds if they can counter CIS meta.
manic pewter
Just do your meta better than they do theirs 😎
obsidian vine
well Russian meta is Yolo every game so idk how u play your meta better then that
green plover
yolo back
green orchid
Arrange a base cap to meet up at before the battle, say base C and then have a 7 v 7 duel best focus fire and skill wins
winter swallow
CIS meta is intelligent info fed pushes at a pace no other server can match. Aaaaand they got that focus fire.... aaaaand they got insane hit pen ratios....
Mechanical skill wise, CIS are unmatched.
Aaaaand the way the teams move. Mmmmmhhmmmmm. Fluid. They snake over the battlefield in a way you just don't see on other servers. The whole team feels connected.
atomic tartan
@winter swallow yea i just ordered this dank new shaving razor off amazon
leaden belfry
the RU teams this Twister do play beautifully
but if RGN brings the form we saw in the finals, anything can happen
green plover
RGN? lol
pallid raven
"here comes orka" @winter swallow do u remember that moment?
atomic tartan
Maybe one prayer for Rolling’s beard is warranted then lol
leaden belfry
RGN's online team is also going to the offline
Not sure how that is for RU, but afaik, both Asia and EU have had to switch players. That can change things
winter swallow
^
pure lava
🙃
fringe cairn
Yeeett
velvet dome
I would like to hear your opinion on quick tournaments random map selection. I prefer the old days when it was set. I see no advantage for this random map selection.
vital obsidian
it might be easier to use planned tacs for them if not random, but could be a bit boring if maps are not changed between the tours
but no big deal its fine as it is
Atm i just think it would be good with other tours aswell one month with only qt is a bit meh
winter swallow
I 100% favour pre-determined maps. It is a nightmare trying to get people into the correct tanks in under 1 minute.
velvet dome
^^
Let's say you get a new team together and you are just starting out, and then you get a random map and come up against a team that has some sort of experience playing in that map. Plus you cannot practice any new strats. Just have to wing it. Therefore teams who would like to practice strats have to do it on their own time
fathom tiger
Just create strats for every map gg ez
pure lava
🙏
green plover
Or practice strats during training room scrims? I mean if you are a new team you’re going to test it out first before you fully commit to something. You make a strat, you explain it to your team, you test it in training. It’s like taking an ice bath for the first time you won’t just jump into a bathtub full of ice and water you’re going to ease your way in. You can’t just expect something and not practice it. Also might I add it’s literally called a “quick tournament” for a reason.
velvet dome
Or you prepare multiple strats for multiple maps and explain every single map and strat to the team and pray to get castilla in tour 2 and tour 4. Also just becoz it's 'quick' doesn't mean it can't have predetermined maps. Wg did it in the past but suddenly changed for no good reason other than it's a random selected map
green plover
I mean you should be familiar with the strats if you’re training and explaining to your team and you have tools to help you like wottactic and strat sketch where you can instantly switch slides between strats and explain instantly, no?
If you’re going to be playing competitively at tier 10 you need to practice and put time in, you can’t just expect your team to be dominating every other team without having a plan and practicing it.
silver vapor
I personally don't mind whether it's random or not, as long it's not a single map being used continuously for different tours, like Castilla for tour 1 3 4 for the same day (which has happened under the random map tours before)
and also @chilly terrace is there any possibility that the Open API for tournaments be fixed so that 3rd parties can use it to view Tournament related information with 3rd party apps powered via WG Open API?
(I know it's probably not the best question to ask considering it's twister cup now, but I still like to hear about it before I forget about this)
pallid raven
#rolling2minsk
chilly terrace
@silver vapor It's quite unlikely
flat goblet
Hmm. I was just getting ideas for using that section of API too.
silver vapor
yeah as of now it's basically pointless to use it because it does not provide any information other than tournament information and matchups. you can't view the scores of the matchups at all or prize iirc
unkempt apex
Unable to viwe tournaments,,,,helpp....
winter swallow
Random maps are an unnecessary obstacle to new teams. Ultimately, it stunts growth of the esports scene. My clan and I are working around it - but for many clans this might be one hurdle to many.
@green plover - I've played at all levels of comp.
Yes - the top teams should be able to handle pressure. Why is a tier viii QT using random maps?
It hurts the new teams.
Yes they can scrim. How many new clans have contacts and the ability to develop an effective training routine?
QTs are the entry level tournament. They should be competitive and offer challenging experiences to all levels. Over 5 tours, 2 lives and 2 attempts - they do this. But having random maps? Meh. It sucks.
I say this as someone that recently got back into calling. We've got strats for all maps and a list of vehicles by players. Even so - our greatest challenge is getting the right people in the right tanks in under 1 minute. That is not what tournaments are about.
Every major series has pre-determined maps (OK - Ascents were half blind) so I don't see why the entry level should be harder in this respect.
Aaaand I say this from a clan that on its first foray into tier viii QTs went 20-3 and won both tour 5s.
velvet dome
😍 😍
Daddy rolling saying the words i cant seem to say.
vital obsidian
T8 dont need much change or tanks or strats, just take 4 heavies 1 td and 2 meds and call a direction
If skilled enough players eezy peecy
winter swallow
@vital obsidian ... yeh... we are talking about newer and/or less skilled teams lol
vital obsidian
Ik ... just not overdo is my recipie
flat goblet
Just don’t do at all is the big brain play
glass thunder
random maps for qt is good because qt is just for practice
and for twister will be great if each team choose one map and after they start put maps out till one map remain
for example team 1 say i pick canal and team 2 say i pick castila after team 1 say i dont want play normandy and team 2 say too what map he dont want to play and they keep it like this till one last map stay from map list
winter swallow
@glass thunder QT is practice for you. For majority of teams it is only meaningful tournament experience,
And ok it’s practice but you don’t need to practice fast tank and player selection in any other format... so your argument kinda falls down there lol
glass thunder
you can practice focus fire and improve communication in the team
vital obsidian
@glass thunder com plaj qt t6 for fun?
glass thunder
@winter swallow also you have 2 minutes why need to test tactics in qt i think best way to test tactics is training rooms vs others teams so you get time to explain tactics or make a quick talk about tactic so i think qt is fine for focus fire practice also for fun
vital obsidian
Oops # tour req 👀
glass thunder
@vital obsidian sure why not
vital obsidian
Meadsy say vk 36 is op now 🤗
glass thunder
idk lol i didnt play tier 6 from ages but arl used to be op for tier 6 tournaments
vital obsidian
👍
green plover
Arl and any premium med tank
fading pine
Is Asia server down wotb
wicked snow
Random map sélection makes it more entertaining tbh , u need to quickly adjust/pick ur line up & strat , especially for QT its more fun
Better than playing same maps over &over again sometimes :€
winter swallow
@glass thunder yes - good teams can practice that. What about less developed teams that need to work on strats?
@glass thunder and like I said - new teams don't have the network of training parnters you do - hell, they may not even know how to run an effective scrim training room.
versed field
I think that random map system bug sometimes
winter swallow
Let's not forget I've done all this as part of R2K - LGN - IMM0R - ER0S... it's easy when you are a developed and established team with a full roster of experienced players.
I am specifically advocating to revise QTs as the entry level tournament to better accommodate and help entry level teams get into tournaments- or do you need a smaller field in order to place somewhere in the middle of the next twister season?
Yes. That was a burn @glass thunder
silver vapor
There are 2 systems of QT map systems that I've experienced so far, the old and the new system
Old: Map pool is known before hand, also the maps for each specific tour is known from the Summary screen. Maps are static throughout the tournament for each tour (as in they do not change if you repeat the same tour).
New (used right now): Map pool is known before hand, but you do not know the maps played in each tour until you actually reach that tour, as the summary screen is unable to display the maps for that specific tour. that being said the maps are still static throughout the tournament for each tour as well
I personally am fine with either, but with the new system it's not so friendly towards teams that are new to tournaments as the teams do not know what map they are going to play most of the time, so I'd personally fix the summary screen to make it able to show which maps are played for each tours even if it's random and it's static throughout the tournament.
Tbh the entire tournament section of the game is a bit broken. I mean as in the QT Summary screen not showing the proper maps (like it used to do) at all, Tournament API not working for Blitz Assistant (you can't check the scores of the results outside of the in-game tournament section), and the Open WG API for Tournaments is totally out of maintenance.... this imo does not facilitate growth in the tournament community, and may actually hinder the growth.
Example of wg tournament api not working.
vital obsidian
I have never seen that assistant working
silver vapor
Example of how QT summary screen used to show maps for each tour
How the current QT summery screen looks even though the maps are static throughout the tournament itself, it’s just randomised beforehand and broken that no one can tell.
@vital obsidian that used to work, like back in the old days, am talking like 2017 tournaments, but now it just doesn't show most of the stuff because Wargaming never maintained it since then. so there's no QT in the API, and there's no prize details, no maps, no score details for all the new things nowadays
Example of how it worked back in the old days (back when Asia is actually active)
and fun fact if you try to check the in-game tournament section and you managed to scroll all the way back to 2017 online Twister finals you can't see the scores for those tournaments as well.
flat goblet
Some part of the API must work, since WG’s official blitz assistant app tracks tourneys properly
silver vapor
okay I probably worded it wrongly
"it's not fully working"
vital obsidian
Still assistance is usefull for checking out teams created
Also working if there is a qf - sf - f system (not qt, not round robin) and you need guess who won the final
oak veldt
@silver vaporoof look at all thoe dead unicum clans owo
silver vapor
now look at the current "future" tournament page, how many non-QT and non-RR tournaments there?
@oak veldt ye the memories
vital obsidian
Sadly we seem to see only qt for weeks 😢
Its a fine format but too much is too much
silver vapor
@vital obsidian and also something to consider, if we want to increase the population of tournaments, meaning more new teams to join - which is more preferable in this case?
-
A working interface where teams are able to know what the maps are being played for each tour (in-game), where teams can check tournament information (for example prizes), and also their progress and results without opening the game (Blitz Assistant or 3rd party apps)
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or a barely working interface that does not show any information (QT summary page that shows basically nothing useful like it used to show) or uses outdated API that is unable to show all the information that is intended (blitz assistant)
vital obsidian
The answer is obvious 🤷♀️
winter swallow
@silver vapor assistant is no longer supported... you cant even download it anymore lol
So that app is completely out of step with new editions of Blitz. Only people with it installed before it discontinued can even use it ...
silver vapor
when did it got pulled out of the app stores? because I still remember downloading it like a few months back when I restored my Android or even recently when bought my new iPad like 2 months ago
Hmmm if it's Android it's still there
silver vapor
so there's officially no way to view tournament related information outside of the game, except for those big tournaments that gets put into the Portal page - that's kinda bad from a perspective
pure lava
😤
silver vapor
If wargaming were to fix their tournament API and load it with all information about individual tournaments - I am definitely willing to build stuff out of it... heck I wanted to do so badly but it was never usable.
vital obsidian
🤔 is this bad news or good news... mby we get a new assistant ☺️
silver vapor
I mean, even if it's not open API and it's internal APIs, I'd love to use it anyway 😉
graceful jetty
Actually, as long as youve downloaded wotb assistant before you can download it again from ur library
But yeah it doesnt seem like new people can download it
silver vapor
>If wargaming doesn't want Assistant how bout gimme the source code and I'll do something with it
actually, make the Tournament API better first
slender fern
#Rolling2Minsk
glass thunder
@winter swallow yeah you are right but maybe the problem is we are in of season and we have only qt’s and not normal tournaments also let’s don’t forget sometimes its not fair when you have a team with bad wr cause the system is strongest vs weak on wr ,i had this problem when i start playing tournaments in blitz and always get strong teams in first rounds then lose +get no rewards it’s don’t encourage new teams to play tournaments at tier x
digital reef
#MaddoxMods
winter swallow
@glass thunder agreed - strongest vs weakest MM kills new teams.
digital reef
pff just reroll ez
vital obsidian
Best start with t6 and 8 and take it from thee
silver vapor
Tier X only ftw
gleaming pollen
Having a clan rating for tournaments would be nice grouping strong Clans into a single bracket and less experienced Clans into other bracket
fathom tiger
Then the final gonna be pro of the pros vs winner of the noobs
median mason
@fathom tiger wow, you don't agree with your clanmate :0
manic pewter
3lmeri is well known r guy and he agree with no one. If he does agree he might change his opinion
low badger
I'd be really happy if T9 and T7 tournaments are introduced. Especially for tier 9, it's such a shame we can't see good tanks being used in a competitive enviorment.
median mantle
True ^^
timber grotto
Honestly it would be fun if WG did t5, t7 and t9 for like a month during the off season
supple quartz
@summer pivot So what about T8 meta 👀
atomic tartan
Well we already play tier 7s against tier 8 teams and tier 9s against tier 10 teams so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
glass thunder
yeah like in tier 8 tournaments you can win using 7 dracs
gleaming pollen
@fathom tiger well we are talking different tournaments i was thinking weekly tournaments when this nab only thinks Twister
versed field
Clan rating🙌
silver vapor
🙌
glass thunder
im with clans rating idea
thorn shale
@chilly terrace any information why there appears to be the logo of the MM clan on what I am assuming are the banners for the top 3 teams this twister from each server in the garage?
digital reef
cuz MM are superior
silver vapor
because the logos haven't arrived into the game yet, lol
digital reef
my option is more likely ngl
thorn shale
@silver vapor right but what’s interesting is that MM didn’t even make top 3
They finished 4th
So I’m curious why their logo is on a banner
digital reef
i think all servers are displaying the same thing @thorn shale