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glass thunder
glass thunder
only 45 teams in eu server for the " Prepare for the season" tournament that mean avg clans are done from tournaments with no rewards system ez how to kill esport
velvet dome
Winter Malinovka. My Prodigal son returns.
silver vapor
Yamato harbour? where is this super nice map?
velvet dome
got heshed by the 183 from RA1D
vital obsidian
But srsly a tour wed-fri its only most addicted who can committ to such efforts in mid of irl 👀
chilly terrace
@glass thunder A long time ago, in summer 2017, Gold Series were held on EU servers too. And there were more prizes in these tournaments then now. But from 10 to 15 teams played there. So what are you talking about?
green plover
It’s only 2 matches a night lol @vital obsidian which will take little more than one hour
@chilly terrace I didn’t see the new map in your list, is it going to be one of the maps for top 8 or finals or can you not disclose that information yet?
blissful cobalt
@chilly terrace there may be an issue with the “Prepare for Season” tournament on NA. Round 1 was cancelled as you announced so matches start tomorrow the 22nd...but registration is open till the 23rd.
@frosty nexus
azure pecan
@chilly terrace well important tournaments used to bring a lot of teams in the paste, from beggining until this profi tournament
But we already talked here about the reason of why theres such a poor number of teams now
With real examples, i think that if we look at number of teams in tournaments 1year ago and this year, the difference would be impressive
vital obsidian
@green plover wdym only 2 matches a night?
azure pecan
It wouldnt surprise me that this twister cup is the last one in Blitz s road
vital obsidian
it is tomorrow 4 matches all bo5
friday 3, bo5
green plover
@azure pecan not many teams played the gold tournaments so they think it’s a waste, on NA and EU server there were never a bunch of teams when I played
@vital obsidian ah nvm I thought you were referring to twister qualifiers
azure pecan
Yes golds series never used to be attractive, i think more about special tours like challenge the stars tour for example
I would like to have difference between challenge the stars 2017 and the same one in 2018
languid sky
Yuo tubo enigmoo 792
dreamy adder
@chilly terrace cos we could play gold series with touch controls only
crisp shore
I sincerely hope this year is not the last year of Twister Cup 🙏
thorn shale
I really want to play tier 10 tournaments. Im good at tier 8 but fail miserably at tier 10. Actually im semi good at the E3
But that’s my fault i need to improve my play style at tier 10 Im trying to get the 113. Hopefully it can withstand my aggressive play style
pallid raven
thorn shale
@pallid raven I intend to find a tier 10 team once my game is up and I learn to play effectively. I want to be reliable in battle.
113 is like a heavily armored med. At least that’s what its stats look like
pallid raven
In my opinion 113 is horrible in tournaments. Mainly because it has annoyingly bad traverse speed
thorn shale
Hmm. Then I need to look for something else
pallid raven
I would prefer to play is7, but that's because I have more experience in it
thorn shale
Maybe 140 or IS4?
pallid raven
140 isn't used in tournaments anymore, so is4
pallid raven
I wish there was a way to see how many tournament games I played in each tank
crisp shore
I would say it really depends on the style of the team. I think most of the tanks have their charm in different tactics.
pallid raven
Bcs is only good if you know how the game works. If you are new it's not for you
I probably have 700 games in the is7, 500 in the obj268, 300 in BC and 800 in random tanks
thorn shale
So I guess IS-4, Bat chat, or maybe 113G ft
I’ll do bat and the chinese td first since im on those lines. Then ill do the IS-4
pallid raven
Do you know how to play the game?
thorn shale
Yes. Im pretty good
pallid raven
Do you know about bush mechanic?
thorn shale
Yes, i know how the concealment values work. The only issue i have with concealment is i don’t know all the best spotting positions on the maps
pallid raven
@thorn shale for me the best tournament tanks per tank type are: batchat(light), stb1(med) due to the current buff, is4(heavy) not the best, but it's a good all rounder and obj268(TD) although the Foch is also a good option.
stark crow
215b is going to be rly used now also
wicked snow
@chilly terrace Will WG ever considire making twister offlines longer by adding in more teams , Like two teams per région ( at least for Eu/Ru ) , and change the first games in twister to Bo5 instead of Bo3 , make twister Last 2 days instead of 1 , would be really cool imo , a bit like wot pc
atomic tartan
Pffffft lmao last year they scrunched 6 teams into a tourney half the time it took with 4
Bet this year they’ll get 8 teams and try to finish in less than an hour.
Bo3 Grand Final $1 mil on the table lets go
hoary cobalt
The wz113 is a good 1 for dpm and fast push realy good in flat maps
thorn shale
I wonder if the Progetto 65 will become a favorite for tournaments?
Being able to play a single shot. Or full autoloader role will be pretty useful
digital cargo
@thorn shale we don’t know yet. But I don’t think so. It’s not mobile enough to spot like a batchat. It has not the armor like an stb e50m or t22 med. The only good thing is the gun. But in tournament armor is more important in a medium tank. But time will show. Maybe I’m false with my statement.
winged anchor
From my experience against them the Progetto 65 is a very effective tank. I think it will be seen often in tourneys
flat goblet
It is strong but it falls off in a DPM game
slender harness
Inb4 progetto comes with mad games consumables
flat goblet
And it doesn’t have quite the clip potential of 50B or 57. However, I think it might find use as fire support for other meds
digital cargo
@winged anchor I looks effective because effective players only play it lol
slender harness
Pretty much
Its going to be decent in randoms because of its ability but thats the best it can do
slender harness
Asia playerbase is dumb. 64 teams get 24.5M credits ez cause we dont have that much teams. How many apply? Fricking less than 20
Not to mention its done by avg wr per team so 40%ers meet 40%ers. Which means many afk so most active teams gets s shit ton of free xp
azure void
@chilly hemlock I'm pretty sure they said it's 6 teams. 5 teams and 1 wild card
Not pretty sure, they did actually say this
twilit rain
Just got a question. Once you register the team do the battles start automatically or does the captain have to press start like a quick tourney?
vital obsidian
i missed the wg stream did they say anything about twister season
chilly hemlock
Nothing other than they are ruining tier x right before hand @vital obsidian
You know. They usual
Wg buffed the E50M a week before the 2018 mobile masters offline
It’s just funny
vital obsidian
do we know will progetto be out before twister
silver vapor
😂 wg as usual
chilly hemlock
Yes but it’ll get a super pasta consumable. Made by Dr. Mario, for 15 seconds it gives 200% crew skills
flat goblet
Or it gets adrenaline 😆
crisp shore
I think Progetto is out in mid-Sep and WG confirmed 6 teams in Twister.
winter swallow
6.3 mid September so yes- current info indicates we will have it for Twister.
6 teams total at Twister. 1 from each region + a wild card. WG said prize pool will be disclosed Friday.
vital obsidian
No date for pre quali yet?
winter swallow
No
vital obsidian
Meh how can that be so difficult to tell
winter swallow
Also we don't know the qualifier series formats. WG have already hinted they might be changing the top 8 online format...
vital obsidian
Its not professional 😡
winter swallow
IMO - as long as we have all info before registration starts, it is fair.
vital obsidian
Lol
winter swallow
My current meta predictions are t22/foch/215b spam.
vital obsidian
Bc/progetto and stb
winter swallow
With support stb1, 268, maus, 113, e3 - prog.65 added depending on maps.
vital obsidian
Not sure about maus
winter swallow
Maybe bc will be used but we will see. I predict with t22 spam the bc may see reduced play.
vital obsidian
But is4 go down, 50b/30b still on. But game will be faster
winter swallow
Maus is solid for city maps. It will be used on specific maps as part of specific strats.
Yes game tempo will certainly be up - current consumables and recent buffs + t22/30b all lean toward aggressive play.
chilly hemlock
Rolling are you excited for another rushed twister Offline with an awkward 6 teams?
silver vapor
Lol
winter swallow
I hope that WG make each map played twice....
silver vapor
As long as not the offline format where one maps is only played once 😂
chilly hemlock
It was a garbage format last year
It will be again
I had a really nice plan for all this worked out and everything
winter swallow
8 teams = more budget on flights hotels etc. ... so lower prize pool.
Also too many teams can equal unfair grouping with strong teams getting put together and weaker teams being in the same bracket.
chilly hemlock
8 teams
2 ru 2 Eu 2 na 1 China 1 asia
Day 1: round robin
2 groups of 4
Each group: 1 ru, 1 Eu, 1 na and either China/Asia
Top 2 from both round robin groups advance to day 2
Day 2: championships
4 team double elimination
fringe galleon
Please choose mirror map for tiebreak. Friendly advice 🙂
winter swallow
Unless seeded... but who would do the seeding?
chilly hemlock
You could hold the day 1 in a morning and an evening sessions
Keeps it short
And players are there doing nothing anyways
winter swallow
@chilly hemlock i like that format. But you just doubled the play time and asociayed overhead costs
chilly hemlock
Do you want a good event or not?
winter swallow
I want the best event possible
chilly hemlock
Every twister has either had massive lag or is a stupid format
Splitting the event into two days I think would be a great way to go
winter swallow
Im just noting budget/budiness considerations.
Well this is notionally the first year they repeat venue (their own place). So lag should not be an issue.
chilly hemlock
Plus every team gets a minimum of 3 best of three series in
Wg had 0 mobile masters expenses this year
Idk. I’ve been to 3 offlines and while the twister 2 venue and crowd was easily the coolest atmosphere, I think seattle 2019 mm was the best offline yet
Sure it sounds biased because my team won. I get that. But. When we had issues, they were fixed in minutes. Not hours
It was a known format and the gaps between teams were closer
winter swallow
Aye. I'd like best of 3 minimum, but ideally Bo5 if it's like a double elimination format.
If I could design it, I'd have it in an arena like Twister 2017, but with the players in soundproof glass team rooms - all facing the crowd. These rooms would have electronically controlled one way mirror functions, so when the match starts the players can't see the crowd but tje crowd can see the players.
@chilly hemlock sound cool?
dim pivot
Sounds
Exbensive
vital obsidian
For stream I would like less wg talk
But it would be nice to see faces of known wg staff and also intervjues with the players
Only few blitz news need be announced but it would be important those news give hope to all those cw players that say they quit after twister. And that are many players, believe me 😢
eternal breach
Choose castilla for all tiebreaks for twister
chilly hemlock
@winter swallow or, have headphones that actually muted the announcers
flat goblet
ha, two day twister. imagine that. probably wont see that in blitz lifetime
chilly hemlock
It was hilarious that we could scream to the person next to you and it was 50/50 if they understood you
Meanwhile c4 is listening to the announcers have a ridiculous advantage
flat goblet
just do it how literally every other esport does it 🤔
good to see that twister has a good format coming along. I mean, last year's was great tbh
WG doesn’t invest nearly enough into esports as it can. And it shows. In the end, that’s just the way they want it, so it’s whatever.
burnt finch
Def
crisp shore
Hopefully more games for all the 6 clans and less time wasted on chatting, waiting and promotion
flat goblet
In the end, the most worth part of offlines is simply getting to see people. Offlines don’t happen nearly often enough or are big enough to get any sort of narrative going between teams, players, etc.
pallid raven
I wonder if sandisk will be sponsoring again
crisp shore
I wonder if a Skorpion G ad will appear after every match🤔
silver vapor
Lol, I still remember that skorpion ad
chilly terrace
@green plover All information that we can share in my post above. =)
@blissful cobalt Fixed. Thank you.
@azure pecan It wouldn't be.
@dreamy adder "Prepare for season" with a touch control as well.
@twilit rain If you mean classic tournaments, you just register once. After that you should wait the battles start time and accept invitation (it will be sent 5 minutes before the start of the battles).
chilly terrace
@dreamy adder Try to compare what really happened one year before and now. You will see that the difference in amount of tournament players is not big.
silver vapor
I think we may need to reflect why "the difference amount of tournament players is not big". does this mean Blitz Comp isn't growing? if yes then why?
chilly terrace
@silver vapor My point is big prizes are not good way to growing amount of competitive players. Also I wanted to point out that it's not good practice to write any information before you had checked it.
hollow bolt
Honestly if there are no good rewards there is no reason to do anything. This is exactly what has happened to ratings. As the playerbase grows the competition base should grow as well. If it isnt then you are doing something wrong 🤷
thorn shale
Well, we’ll see how much the Twister prize pool will be
@chilly terrace I think the problem with a lot of smaller, less active clans is that they struggle to get 7 people on. I think if WG made some kind of regular (maybe once a week just to test it out) 5v5 or 3v3 tournament, those players would be able to participate. Then, once they get a taste of competitive, I think they would be more likely to try to get more players for 7v7s and such. And overall tournament players would go up
silver vapor
@chilly terrace i am not blaming it on prizing. I was the one who have been saying that the current prizes are okay, and my credit count of 33 mil that basically all earned through tournaments helps back that up.....
I think a bit more of talking and discussion with various people in the past have sort of confirmed my concerns.
the information from wargaming for big tournaments can sometimes be very limited or in rare cases, no information at all. Last year twister a common discomfort I can see is that the details about the offline finals are released way too late imo, like only 1 month in advance of the actual offlines, where the online finals just finished. This creates a lot of mess in a lot of the teams that can go to offlines, and it failed to incentivise players to join online qualifiers, because they can’t see any cash worthy to give it a shot at all.
In other cases for example the twister cup qualifiers format, has still not been released, and many balance changes are being carried out at the tournament tier right now. This imo will drive players off tournaments especially at a higher level, any balance changes should be carried during the start or middle of off season, not at the end of it when the real competition is about to start.
Another common discomfort is support for weaker teams. I’ve been hearing different opinions from weaker teams that they want more chances to win and learn and not get steamrolled, but the current common normalised principle always puts them against a strong team that they have no hope in winning against. I think during off season we can have more of these groups of death tournaments, where all teams can fight and learn from other teams that are similar caliber. I think this would also benefit top teams as always the ability steamroll their enemies is really not what we all play this game for. We all like challenges and sometimes spicing things up can be a good thing.
Another thing would be investments and return. A big problem that I think I see in some of the teams are facing is that they lack goals to achieve. Tournaments currently is currently being treated as “another game mode where players can play with their team”, and this is reflected on that the prizing doesn’t allow many to live out of it purely by playing tournaments unless they are really active, or the fact that many of the Asian teams aren’t persistent enough in the competiton. They always jump in for a few months and went dead for half of the year, and then come back alive for another few months. The question I’m asking myself often but I can’t come up with any solid or convincing answers is that “what am I really playing tournaments for?” This was a bigger question than ever since the most tempting prize imo, the custom clan logo has been withdrawn from prizes of major tournaments. This may have nothing to do with prizes, but I think prizes (as in not amount) does have something to do with it.
But yeah, that’s part of the non-balance side of tournaments I’ve been seeing for the past year or so, just all summarised into 1 big blob.
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale my guess is $125k
half urchin
after the t22 crates, it could be 150k and it still would be in the budget 😂
viscid python
Ikr. I lost decent amount of money without getting 22. But then again, I think it went for a good cause aka Twisterprize's 😁😆
sudden shadow
oh really great job wg,rerolls that shouldnt be in group one are in group 1,gg
silver vapor
@sudden shadow if the rerolls have the skills for it, why not? if they don't have the skills for it, they would just become sandbags.
sudden shadow
while my team that was in top 4 on challenge stars is in group 2
they will be sandbags,they will not win even one game
silver vapor
yeah. so what do you lose from it?
dim pivot
Wg needs to add 30 day stats in game imo and use that for seeding
green plover
I thought WG said they were going to do something about that, like make it based off previous tournaments and avg battles + winrate + damage, or something similar.
dim pivot
And maybe also consider tournament experience but i have heard that they do that already
sudden shadow
literally i can buy one t10 play 1 game and have 100%
green plover
If you can’t beat them, join them.
silver vapor
^^
sudden shadow
and have 7 players like that and i will hve easyest groups forever how aboht that wg? plus advatanges
dim pivot
Wg : more money for us :)
Tis is a joke dont mute plox
sudden shadow
they care about tours somehow
half urchin
@sudden shadow may i ask in which clan u are?
green plover
It’s a bad thing though since it’ll affect seeding and put a bunch of rerolls into a bracket that doesn’t have the best teams in it.
silver vapor
I mean, if there's enough "strong" teams, rerolls without skills would be pointless. since they would be filtered out by the actual good teams.
But the issue now is that there isn't, and it's affecting seeding quite a bit
half urchin
ah nice 👍
sudden shadow
we wanted to be in main group bcs i think its fair for us to be there after top 4 in challenge plus trainings every day with best teams in eu like eg,evo,r2k and so on
viscid python
Well, we are on third group..🙄
silver vapor
@sudden shadow It's definitely everyone's wish to be recognized and included in the tops, but in reality there isn't any "optimal" parameter that Wargaming would like using to distinguish you guys from those rerolls. and they don't like the sound of our ideas as well. so I guess until we nudge them more or we can come up with a useful parameter or some sort of nice formulae to distinguish you guys, they'll be sticking with this.
sudden shadow
i lost my will to play this tour,dont even care about result
eternal breach
Groups of death is unfair and dumb. Oh you are good? You have to try harder for same reward .
silver vapor
@eternal breach I think groups of death are not as dumb as you think. The prize probably slightly dumb but I think it benefits everyone in terms of helping everyone improve. Weaker teams don't get streamrolled, stronger teams gets to fight teams of their caliber and learn things from it.
Groups of Death is constructive in terms of building strengths of teams, but it's definitely not sustainable if all tournaments is this format.
the only issue I have with groups of death is the seeding/grouping. really at this stage we should be inventing new ways of identifying "strong" teams, which should not be just WR,
eternal breach
It's unfair that good teams have to face good teams while bad teams can do the same for the same rewards
silver vapor
maybe they should get better rewards? idk. but I think all in all rewards shouldn't be the only thing stopping anyone from playing
what better teams need isn't "more rewards", but "better rewards". what are you going to be using credits for if you are in a strong team and you already researched all of the tanks and have them in your garage? pay for the repair costs? the basic prize should easily cover that. I just can't seem to find ways to justify better teams getting "more rewards", but on the other hand, "better rewards" like Free Exp and Gold (in exchange for probably a bit less credits) can hugely incentivize players imo
thorn shale
How about rewards for entering various leagues? Or tournaments would love to have the T95/4201 as a diamond reward
silver vapor
@thorn shale leagues? that doesn't belong to this channel. if you're talking about ratings #rating-battles
thorn shale
Yeah just realized that Am sorry
chilly hemlock
@eternal breach you could scale the rewards but that’s like complicated
Could start with the bottom most group and multiply the rewards by +.1 for every group you go up
wicked snow
@sudden shadow which teams r in ur group?
sudden shadow
group 2
wicked snow
Which good teams r in ?
sudden shadow
winter swallow
@thorn shale I like the idea of smaller roster tournaments held regularly.
pallid raven
IMMOR Vs IMMOR ez win
gentle sierra
@winter swallow any chance the games might be streamed ?👀
winter swallow
@gentle sierra which games?
sudden shadow
probs he means group 1 @winter swallow
winter swallow
Tonight?
sudden shadow
yea
winter swallow
Alas no 😦
I will however, be scouting the rosters for EU and taking note of who’s where etc.
gentle sierra
Good teams are scattered across the groups , rip
slim token
Registration ended for the prepare for the season NA? Yesterday morning it said 36 hours remaining, logged in this morning to register the team and it was no longer available. 😦
harsh ember
Same happened to us @slim token, wg definitely messed up the times
tranquil vortex
median mantle
Scattered across group 1 yeah 😉 @gentle sierra
gentle sierra
Nah
You have teams like immor , w1n and fbi that are better than some teams in group 1
median mantle
Didn’t watch the groups, I see u in group 1, I upvote. Me is simple man 😹
gentle sierra
XD
sudden shadow
@gentle sierra ❤
slim token
I understand sometimes times need to change, but an announcement with @ here would have been nice. 😦 there have been so many messages in this channel that the pinned message was missed.
vagrant phoenix
4 matches, bo5 in 1 night thx wargaming
burnt finch
@vagrant phoenix toxicity is not needed in tournaments reveal
vagrant phoenix
no u, squeaking is very kid friendly
burnt finch
nonono
dim pivot
4 matches all bo5 and still wg only allow two reserves
soft coral
WG has always given thought to its east coast players
All the major tournaments end up having the final match sometime after 11 pm ET
winter swallow
@soft coral try streaming NA matches from CEST 😂
Also - twister prize pool details today! (Maybe)
vital obsidian
Oooo mby dates and qualidetails too 🙀
winter swallow
Maaaaaaybe. Actually quite likely they come all in one post 😍
flat goblet
Dates for twister offline? Not a chance lol
silver vapor
Just wait for 2 months before they announce the dates for offline
flat goblet
You will know the week before at least
gentle sierra
What about the dates for preliminaries 👀
thorn shale
elo
vital obsidian
What is preliminaries 🙀
gentle sierra
Matches for top 8
digital cargo
Why immor is not in top 8?
gentle sierra
Cause couple of other teams have higher wr 😄
digital cargo
Wow everything er based this Time?
gentle sierra
🤷
flat goblet
That’s how it always is
digital cargo
Ok. My first time in twister if we can get through the quali so im newbie
vital obsidian
Immor cant get through wr quali 👀
thorn shale
Can’t wait for the announcement about the prize pool and any other details they decide to release 🔥
winter swallow
Top 8 format may be changing I heard from general chat with players?
vital obsidian
Well I think the current tour has proven totally wr based seeding is crap
flat goblet
In what way
crisp shore
You might have two strong tournament clans in a group of qualification because of seeding
gentle sierra
Wouldnt say its crap , it does make sure most of the clans that should be in top 8 make it through , but it can be improved
When u have more than 8 strong clans ofc 2 of them at least will meet each other in the qualifiers @crisp shore
sudden shadow
hmm well it also makes clans that shouldnt be carriers carriers but wait till more high wr nub clans come
crisp shore
Yes I know but my point is that you may have a group of very competent tournament clans and another with not so due to winrate seeding
sudden shadow
well this tour was group of deaths
crisp shore
Of course I'm not talking about how the group is formed for the matches but sorry to be mean though I could see some drastic results in some groups.
gentle sierra
results were obvious
sudden shadow
i agree with baron
crisp shore
Win rate seeding is alright, but not the perfect way imo. Probably we can have a wild card 9th team in Professionals Group from the winner of loser of the finals of each group in the preliminary qualification.
gentle sierra
Wr is a good starting point so to say , shouldnt be the only parameter though
And not taking into account the wr of players with less than 10k battles maybe could help
crisp shore
I couldn't think of a better way though because tournament experience is difficult to be measured by a single representative parameter.
gentle sierra
Maybe taking into account who does well in gold tourneys or in tourneys such as this one should be a good way , i could be wrong ofc
crisp shore
I would say a second chance for the losers of the finals of the preliminaries that would select a wild card 9th team. Tbh I think the experience and skill difference between the 8th or 9th team in EU is not big.
sudden shadow
there will be wild card i think it was last time
crisp shore
Not that wild card that selects the 6th team for the Twister offline finals though. I was talking about adding a 9th team in the Professional Online Tournaments through a wild card system. (Or was there a wild card last year that selected an 8th team?)
viscid python
No. Teams that didnt make it to preliminares did play ascents. By playing ascents well you did get in to preliminares of wildcard tournament. Winner of these fights went to wildcard with russian counterpart and with eu #2nd and russia's #2nd teams from top8. C4 made it through in wildcard. Eros and us were left to cry :(
viscid python
I m rn watching those games 👀 Desert sands atm😁. I'll judge you soon xD
wicked snow
Pls dont watch finals 😷 i want to kms when i remember those games @viscid python
viscid python
😂😂. We also had some stuupid losses.. But I guess it happens when you're facing "a bit" more reconized team😕
silver vapor
K I feel I am a bit too dumb to understand what is regular team and what is reserve team
So you guys mean, that if one clan wants to send out two teams, than 1 team must be a regular team and the others will be a reserve team?
I don't see anything wrong with the old format aside from BO3 finals but this is imo next level confusion and pointless
It feels a bit stupid 😕
hoary ridge
Do WE already know which Date the offline gona be?
silver vapor
Nope, they’re going to announce it like 1 month before the actual thing I guess
velvet dome
Are you telling me, that we are all supposed to play ascent tourneys in order to get to the top 8? What happened to ascent having mixed controls? I mean I know Professional tourney is supposed to be touch, but you are removing the PC players from anymajor tourney. And last I checked there are a lot of PC players out there.
elder heart
Wait, there is no $ reward for online stage?
crisp shore
What if a clan only has one team and no other?
wicked snow
@silver vapor the screenshot above is from wg?
crisp shore
Also will the ascent be held every day?
chilly hemlock
@silver vapor what if that is just for the Eu and ru servers and not us?
silver vapor
@wicked snow Asia official portal announcement
wicked snow
Thx
silver vapor
@chilly hemlock this sounds stupid regardless imo. No clans should be limited to only send one team if they have multiple teams and are capable
harsh ember
They're still doing bo3? @silver vapor is that info from the post in game
silver vapor
@harsh ember the post only have that as information. Nothing else.
I'm in tournaments ttyl
chilly hemlock
That’s the thing. Who knows if that applies to all servers or not
Well. Rexy knows
Rexy, is that image accurate?
half urchin
its in the official news, so i guess yes
crisp shore
Oops lol
chilly hemlock
Ah. Ok. Haven’t checked
So I’m guessing it’s just ru and Eu because the playerbase is bigger and it would allow your 2nd and 3rd team to go for the wildcard spot
Which na Asia and China can’t do
half urchin
think so, like last year
dreamy adder
@elder heart i guess it's when there is no offlines only
vital obsidian
Are any of these on pc also 👀
gentle sierra
Hopefully not
wicked snow
@dreamy adder Nope , there were rewards for online last year , 130 for first and second team , idk how much for 3rd and 4th
chilly hemlock
Why would they include pc?
vital obsidian
Funny yellow post quicker than official
chilly hemlock
This is a mobile game with a mobile offline
vital obsidian
Bec earlier ascent has been pc
wicked snow
Im not sure but ascent might be pc , However the finals touch , which doesnt really make sense , Qualifiers on pc then finals on touch ZuLUl
vital obsidian
Make sense 🤘
chilly hemlock
None of it should be pc
gentle sierra
^^
chilly hemlock
Ascent is qualifying for pro season
Pro season is qualifying for twister
All of that should be mobile only
chilly terrace
@silver vapor You are right. If clan wants send two teams, this clan must be in Top Places of leaderboard and these two teams will be in two different tournaments.
@hoary ridge As it wrote in news it will be November.
@velvet dome The regulations of Ascent Tournament will be announced soon.
@crisp shore It's not necessary to send second team in Challengers tournament.
@chilly hemlock RU and EU were the champions of Blitz Twister Cup. That's why they have a second chance in Wild Card tournament. All information on this image is right.
chilly hemlock
@chilly terrace on NA could pramo have 3 teams make top 8 then?
wicked snow
@chilly terrace what do u mean by Regular and reserve team ?
chilly hemlock
Main and second team
crisp shore
Will Ascent be held every day or every other day though?
chilly hemlock
You only get one shot at the pro season per clan
Your second team gets moved to the wild card bracket
wicked snow
If it happens that u qualify with two teams in the pro tournament , u have to send one to the wild ascent tournehs ?
chilly hemlock
Yes
crisp shore
Or is the format the same as Spring Season Ascent, where the place is occupied by the clan instead of the team and the best performing team gets the points for that day?
violet hemlock
Are there different rewards for qualifying to professional/challenger tournament? And if yeah, could you tell us
thorn shale
@chilly terrace could you please clarify? I’m slightly confused. If my clan (RGN) has two teams qualify for the top 8 Professional tournament, only one is allowed to make into the top 8?
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale doesn’t apply to us
Only Eu and ru as they are the only ones capable of getting a wild card I think
vital obsidian
Now i am lost
chilly hemlock
Eu and ru can only have 1 team per clan in top 8
All other teams from that clan go to the wild card bracket
silver vapor
^^^
vital obsidian
No
chilly hemlock
Why not?
silver vapor
And this is a bit stupid imo.... Like why would you limit the number the teams that a clan can send? The best teams should be allowed to be in the professionals as long as they're capable, not forcibly either force them to be reserve or force them into 2 different clans if they want to be in top 8
vital obsidian
Results should determine
chilly hemlock
They are doing the Eu/ru pro season and the wild card brackets at the same time
The difference is that wild card last year were the people that didn’t win the Eu/ru spots
Wg is I’m guessing trying to make it easier for clans with several teams to fight for 2 offlines spots
wicked snow
Wargaming dont make the différence between clans and teams for some reason , Two teams being in same clan doesnt mean they r the same team , they both want to win and actually compete against each other , so even if compétition is from the same clan , its still compétition and wont change anything , in my opinion if u care about compétition u should allow those teams to still fight in top8 , Because Otherwise u will have worse teams instead of them and end up having less compétition and less close games in top8 games , just because u dont want to have two décent teams from same clan , rather have one good team vs a worse team from a different clan
chilly hemlock
But it means you only get one shot at the pro season
The pro season should come first
thorn shale
@wicked snow 👏
chilly hemlock
Places 2-5 from Eu and ru should make up the 8 teams that fight for the wild card spot
Just like last year
But that’s the problem
This year looks like both are done at the same time
hoary ridge
100000$ prizepool includes offline and online prizepool as Well as ingame ressources?
wicked snow
xD @hoary ridge
thorn shale
@hoary ridge think the $100,000 is for the offline
silver vapor
Exactly with @wicked snow
elder heart
@chilly terrace is there any reward for online stage?
thorn shale
I would like to know this as well
And of course, clarification about if a clan is allowed to have multiple teams in the top 8 professional tournament
wicked snow
@thorn shale @green plover inb4 thing 1, thing 2 , thing 3 r back 😂😂😂👊
green plover
Simple fix go send your second team and tell them to make a new clan
elder heart
No X supply lvl, I wouldn’t agree on that
green plover
Mdrr @wicked snow
gentle sierra
@chilly terrace will ascent be touch only?
thorn shale
@wicked snow 😏
green plover
He said that will be announced soon @gentle sierra
gentle sierra
I c
chilly terrace
@chilly hemlock Only if these 3 teams will be in 3 different clans.
@wicked snow Some clans have more than one team. If such clan will be in Top 8, it will be able to send one team to Professional tournament and another one to Challengers tournament.
@crisp shore The regulations and schedule of Ascent Tournaments will be announced soon.
@thorn shale Yes, only one is allowed to make into top 8.
@elder heart Of course there will be rewards for Professional and Challengers tournaments. But we have not announced them yet.
@gentle sierra It will be described in regulations of Ascent Tournaments as I wrote before.
chilly hemlock
Ridiculous for na Asia and China if we can’t play in the wild card bracket
chilly hemlock
Absolutely ridiculous
thorn shale
@wicked snow time for RGN1, RGN2, RGN3 💪💪
elder heart
I hope it won’t only be gold/tanks for online
wicked snow
Imo wg r aware that this teams can make différent clans , they just dont want same tag dominating over 🤔
chilly hemlock
There aren’t even 8 competitive clans on na before pramo and rgn make several clan lmao
thorn shale
Same @elder heart 😄
Hopefully they give $$$ for people who can’t travel to Minsk or finish 2nd
elder heart
Exactly
harsh ember
How about we just make a clan tag with rgn backwards
green plover
🐒
viscid python
😂
wicked snow
The real question tho is
How much for veteran role 😂😂😂
fringe galleon
Inb4 PC is allowed everywhere except offline finals
wicked snow
Inb4 IXEGI qualifies 😝🎉
crisp shore
How much for EU role as well?
wicked snow
Ascent tournaments r weakest vs strongest format or Gold silver bronze tourney format ? @chilly terrace
half urchin
just chill, they will announce it early enough
tall python
bruh this is all mad confusing lol. the exact dates aren’t clear, and the fact that we can’t have more than one team per clan is just stupid imo. if we’re able to make multiple competitive teams within OUR clans that are deserving of being within top 8, our CLAN should receive credit for it and that same clan should be represented for however many teams it is able to field. what a start to the twister season. lol.
half urchin
when the tournaments start at the 2 sep, they will announce them next weak i guess
burnt ingot
lol this is ridiculous
chilly hemlock
@chilly terrace I understand why you are splitting teams from na and Eu, they have a wild card spot they can play for. Why are you punishing NA, Asia and China? We each can only go if we win our server
There is no possible way this change benefits my clan
Or any other on those three servers
There isn’t even 8 competitive clans on na right now
Top 8 will still be only 4-5 clans but with pramo2 pramo3 and rgn2
What’s the point?
burnt ingot
^
chilly hemlock
Why are we fighting with one hand tied behind our back?
elder heart
Yea, u should make a wild card for NA/EU
chilly hemlock
7 teams 😂
thorn shale
what does reserve team mean?
wicked snow
If a clan has various teams , the main one is considired regular team , its other teams ( subtitue teams ) r reserve teams @thorn shale
thorn shale
oh ok
chilly terrace
@wicked snow Regulations of Ascent Tournaments will be announced soon, as I wrote before.
@chilly hemlock Point is make difference between teams more clear for viewers.
chilly hemlock
This isn’t any more clear
slender harness
But the thing is the TEAMS consider themselves PART OF "A" CLAN
chilly hemlock
Pramo vs Pramo2 is the same thing
vivid citrus
during spring season RGN had 2 teams, there was a clear distinction between the first team "REIGN", and the second team "CHAOS". the people knew the difference and the streamers also helped to make that distinction obvious, this has never been a problem
silver vapor
So potential more clear for viewers but we will be completely confused and really it doesn’t make much difference if we make our clan tags look similar
thorn shale
Exactly @vivid citrus 👏
dim pivot
So u'd make ur tournament so complicated for clans that boost the tournament activity on a server by getting multiple teams to participate, just so a guy watching doesnt make the mistake of thinking, "how r two teams from same clan fighting against each other
thorn shale
@chilly terrace people are proud to be in the clans they are in, and if a clan send two teams into top 8, that clan should get the credit it deserves for having two teams, and those players should be recognized as part of that same clan
dim pivot
Ikr
silver vapor
Agreed
Like this is trying to forcibly break clans apart in attempt to make things “more clearer”
dim pivot
Ur gonna need to give us something more solid than "we want to make it clear for our viewers" coz with all due respect, thats very dumb
silver vapor
Isn’t clans supposed to be where players get united? And you guys are making us choose to break apart for a tournament
dim pivot
So tru
tall python
this discredits clans in so many ways. recruiting and preparing team to prepare for top 8 just for other teams to play under a different clan tag that will most likely only be affiliated with the main clan during twister season. this is truly sad
slender harness
Instead of the viewers would see the TEAMS from the SAME CLAN, they would see 2 DIFFERENTCLANS. WHICH IS TECHNICALLY BAD (LYING) TO VIEWERS. Because how many viewers actually RECOGNIZE THEM?
leaden belfry
What is the point of limiting the amount of teams a clan can enter?
thorn shale
@tall python thank you. Very well put
wicked snow
How about renaming players to their team name ? Like
RGN_moe Chaos_Glory so its easier for viewers to distinct them
leaden belfry
People are in a clan because of the Clan, they don't want to get out of it to have a shot at a high tournament
silver vapor
^^^^^
thorn shale
^^^^^^
leaden belfry
Especially for NA, this royally screws over the whole competitive scene
thorn shale
Honestly, everyone against this new change should send a message to Rexy
wicked snow
Wow amaunet im impressed , first time Gj 👏 respect
leaden belfry
As you've 3-4 real competitive clans, with generally 2-3 teams each
@wicked snow I’d say thanks, but that sounds as much as an insult as it does a compliment
wicked snow
Im actually serious @leaden belfry i really mean it
slender harness
This is literal "war gaming"
silver vapor
ikr making war not peace
chilly hemlock
I love this whole “If it’s good for Ru and Eu, it’s good for everyone” mentality
leaden belfry
@chilly terrace I'm very sorry, but this is one of the worst calls wg has made regarding tournaments. You're literally expecting people to leave their clans to make a team, and they can't win in name of their clan - which is generally what all competitive players want
wicked snow
No but the point of breaking this teams off the clan they belong to isnt the best way to do it imo , Make the teams more distinct could be done in ways that wont hurt the players nor the clan they belong to imo
Like renaming them to their team tag , Chaos_....player
RGn_...player
Pramo...player ?
dim pivot
Wg : we r gonna make some changes to twister
Me trying to be hopeful even tho i m f2p comp player and wg sold t22 before the most important tournament : ok i m hopeful
Me today : my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
wicked snow
Also ask commentators to make it easier for viewers to dintinct teams , they r already doing it imo but if u really want that then they could focus on it a bit more ( even tho imo it really isnt necessary because they r doing a great job already)
leaden belfry
@wicked snow I'll keep that in mind. If everyone is forced to have a different clan tag, that's easier, but worse 🙄
wicked snow
Yes @leaden belfry
silver vapor
I knew it was something that needed to be discussed here :>
chilly terrace
@leaden belfry They can win in name of their new clan.
slender harness
"new" wtf
leaden belfry
They don't want a new clan, Artem. You're tearing "families" apart that have been together for years
thorn shale
lol what
leaden belfry
And you're expecting them to just up and go
And to start over in a new clan - and let's not even talk about supply levels
wicked snow
@chilly terrace is there any chance u can considire renaming players to their team ? RGN_moe ect ? So its easier to dintinct teams
slender harness
The teams were formed under ONE CLAN why make them fight in ANOTHER
green plover
@wicked snow use yourself as a example you chiken
leaden belfry
What exactly is wg's reasoning for this? What do they gain from tearing clans apart?
silver vapor
why would we want a "NEW" clan if we are all in the same clan in the first place? our will and our souls are brought together into the same clan and you excpect us to break apart just because you want something to work as you'd like?
wicked snow
We as players will also colaborate and take same camos , so its easier for viewers to make the disntinction
leaden belfry
That'd be great, tbh =) makes it easier to keep track 😅
thorn shale
Gotta love the doubling down from WG
tall python
yeah then WG gets paid for us changing our names
leaden belfry
Oh this is going to be a riot - and rightly so
wicked snow
@green plover wow being rude i thought using a more famous person would be better as an example🤔
dim pivot
So is this wg saying out of 50 players in a clan, only 9 "shud" take part coz its more entertaining, while there r servers like asia which has such low tournament activity
silver vapor
I totally didn't see this coming at all lol
green plover
@chilly terrace could you just bring up the idea @wicked snow has said with everyone at WG about using identical camo‘s and changing names to match the team instead of having to switch clans to have another team in top 8
thorn shale
@chilly terrace maybe listen to the community for once instead of saying “win for your new clan”. Honestly your last comment is a disgrace and shows how little respect you have for the community and what they feel
silver vapor
deep inside I sort of agree with TJ on this. this is a disrespect to the clan system and the foundations of clans overall.
leaden belfry
Imo this whole action shows that WG has no idea what the Clan scene entails and what it means to people. It's so much more than just a group of players
thorn shale
👆👆👆👆👏👏👏
leaden belfry
I'm in between baffled and very pissed off, tbh 😅
blissful cobalt
Honestly, I have seen all the random and senseless things happen over the last few years and thought I couldn't really be shocked anymore. Today proved that wrong.
wicked snow
Sir we also care about the game and it really matters to us that the games get more views , as well as Wotblitz getting more reconition/famous , However this isnt the best way to proceed , please considire the idea above , Changing player's names to their team name ( same as in twister , RA1D_BLASTER for example ) and we also promise to take same camos as a way to contribute to it so viewers see which player belongs to which team @chilly terrace
vital obsidian
if this move makes it even worse to keep a clan alive this is very bad move from wg 😡
wicked snow
You might be making it easier for the viewers , But harder for the players
leaden belfry
I can't wait to see the eloquent and flavourful language Brian will let loose then he comes back on
wicked snow
xD
silver vapor
if that's sort of the discussion that is happening inside Wargaming, I can't wait to imagine what sort of tricks you guys have under your sleeve right now
leaden belfry
We posted a bunch of questions on the cc server because the news post didn't make sense to us
This explains things quite painfully
blissful cobalt
There are lots of ways to do distinctions....Name changes, team camos like how PC does it, tournament UI that has a team tag...any idea is better than telling a clan to break up so they can put forward teams and then respond with "they can fight for their new clan"
Tournaments have a functionality to create a team "without the clan tag" for QT's just do that, and still enforce clan lock.
leaden belfry
Heck, it'd be better even to let the clan tag go altogether and identify a team just by their team name - and set rules about that
wicked snow
Idk like a team tag, no more than 3/4 letters , RGN, LGN , EG- PRMO , and the player's nickname so that his original nickname remains visible or even better example CryAboutiT on twister cup was called CAI_playerName
leaden belfry
Something like that, yeah.
green plover
I mean can’t really do much it’s up to WG at the end of the day, only one thing you can do. @wicked snow
leaden belfry
But for the love of everything, don't force people to leave clans they've generally been in for ages, that they've lifelong friends in, where they've met people irl, etc
midnight summit
^^^^
leaden belfry
@green plover not true. We can keep on about it, we can keep nagging, and we can keep trying to explain until someone at WG actually understands where we're coming from
chilly hemlock
@green plover lets do this for real. Only your main team vs ours 😂
wicked snow
Ok lets get back to serious things
How much for vétéran role 😂😂😂🖖🎉
leaden belfry
It'd be different if this was in any way a logical decision
green plover
I had a different idea
velvet dome
'we want to make this more clear to the viewers'
Sure, let people who havent played in competitive tourneys in Asia and know nothing about tourneys get a clearer idea of what is happening than people who have been working hard the entire year, day in and day out, practicising together and building up pride in their clan.
But lets make it clearer for the viewers.
chilly hemlock
25k battles
leaden belfry
But it's not.
chilly hemlock
50%
silver vapor
oh rite where's my veteran role :>
leaden belfry
It adds nothing, wg gains nothing, and players lose a lot
thorn shale
lmao
dim pivot
Lol
dim pivot
We forgot about that ez solution
midnight summit
lmao
leaden belfry
The EZ solution? Cheating?
chilly hemlock
Boycott twister😂
green plover
No
silver vapor
I wouldn't be surprised if we see the comp environment shrink further as this happens
wicked snow
No he means deleting the game ( easiest solution) @leaden belfry xD
leaden belfry
Yeah agreed, Maddox
dim pivot
@leaden belfry no no, the thing moe posted
leaden belfry
Ah oki
green plover
Who deleted the ez solution?
chilly terrace
@wicked snow No, there is no chance.
@thorn shale I didn't say it. I said "they can".
The new system allows to determine the best 8 teams for Professional tournament, because it is based on series of tournaments, not only one. It could be the fixed casts of teams, that's right. But in this case it would be much less flexible for players, because you can't replace team by another if main team can't represent your clan in one of tournaments. Series will be built by this way that one missed tournament will be equals to lose chance to make into top-8. So clans and one team from clan is the best way.
chilly hemlock
That’s not true for na at all
fringe galleon
"best 8 teams" Thats not true...
velvet dome
i rather this long explanation that still doesnt help than 'it will be more clear for viewers'
slender harness
This is like hk and china just the other way around
chilly hemlock
I’ll wait
leaden belfry
@chilly terrace are the tournament bugs fixed then? And it's not the best 8 teams then, because on NA there's 3-4 clans with the best 8 teams
gentle sierra
Never listening to your community , unluck
chilly hemlock
@chilly terrace every single na Offline qualifier has had 2 of the final four from one clan
leaden belfry
Because I can see teams not making it to the top 8 because the system forgot to give enemies again
silver vapor
there are way better ways to solve "a single game ruining the chance of getting into top 8" than this. I ain't buying this explanation.
dim pivot
Like ur getting more fire from the community for this change than u got from selling a t22 again
chilly hemlock
I don’t know what servers you are basing this off of, but it’s not the server I play on
thorn shale
im weak 😂
leaden belfry
I don't get why the format now has to be different from the format we used before that worked fine
And didn't tear clans apart at that
thorn shale
Wrong tag
slender harness
Half the reason tournaments are still qlive is because of the community
U are killing it
silver vapor
@leaden belfry ikr I was surprised when I see that they scraped the entire old format
velvet dome
Just imagine, so much heat for details that are still pretty vague, what will happen when you release more details in the future?
thorn shale
@chilly terrace that’s simply wrong though. You can have multiple teams from the same clan and still have it clear which team is the best even if they are from the same clan
Your explanation doesn’t make sense
wicked snow
Grille @chilly hemlock🙄
chilly hemlock
DiD yOu SeE mEsSi
dim pivot
I heard is7 was weak, wudnt mind it getting a wacky speed boost before online finals
thorn shale
@frosty nexus can you maybe help explain why all of sudden, a clan is only allowed one team in the top 8?
chilly hemlock
Wg has buffed tanks while I was on the plane to an offline
silver vapor
l o l
leaden belfry
And why the whole format for qualifying and everything after had been changed
dim pivot
Lmao
green plover
@thorn shale her setting is on do not disturb smh stop disturbing
fringe galleon
IS7 got secret gun depression buff and IS4 and maus got secret upper plate nerfs. We did testing.
thorn shale
@green plover oh well. I’m disturbing her
chilly hemlock
@fringe galleon I saw that as well
dim pivot
Its wargamings way of assuring dynamic gameplay so their "viewers" dont get bored @chilly hemlock
Every game is a new meta
gentle sierra
When did that happen O.o @fringe galleon
fringe galleon
U can pen maus upper plate with IS7 ap and its paper for apcr in facehug
thorn shale
Ok let’s not stray too far off topic 😅
frosty nexus
Please don't forget that only 1 team from NA will be presented on Blitz Twister Cup and we will determine this team during the long period of qualifiers. If some of clans have a few teams - that's fine, but anyways they have to compete against other teams from their own clan anyways. In this case this clan can distribute teams between few clans on the time of qualifiers and be presented in this. This is a fight for a chance to be presented on Twister'19 and only one team will grab it. It's not so bad to create a new clan only for a team and advertise your team via clan.
silver vapor
the point is: the idea of "clan can distribute teams between few clans on the time of qualifiers" is so wrong. and you cannot justify this at all.
leaden belfry
@frosty nexus no, that's where your wrong. Some clans can't have multiple teams, because those other teams can't get into the top 8.
And I'm flabbergasted at the inability of wargaming to understand what a clan means
thorn shale
Just because we CAN make multiple clans for multiple teams doesn’t mean it’s a good idea
frosty nexus
As for the stream viewers it's horrible and ununderstandable to watch how PRAMO 1 plays against PRAMO to play them against PRAMO 3. Be unique and prove your team in a battle with unique name.
thorn shale
Can you please understand this?
leaden belfry
Again, then go by team name and not clantag, @frosty nexus
wicked snow
xDDD
chilly hemlock
@frosty nexus you allowed us to have 3 pramo teams at the 2017 mobile masters
silver vapor
they all have a Unique team name, just from the same clan tag.
chilly hemlock
Where’s the consistency?
leaden belfry
Normal tournaments can have teams from multiple clans, so the clan tag apparently isn't a thing
chilly hemlock
And yes. Purpl is a part of pramo
leaden belfry
So why does it have to be now, all of a sudden?
frosty nexus
@chilly hemlock this is not Mobile Masters
thorn shale
Just make the stream by team name? @frosty nexus and have the streamers call them by team name
leaden belfry
^
silver vapor
like, the simplest solution is to stress team names over clans. as simple as that.
green plover
@frosty nexus there is a simple solution of having different team names/clan camo’s.
thorn shale
@chilly hemlock yea raik smh. Get with the times
leaden belfry
This is just ridiculous
chilly hemlock
It’s an offline all the same
dim pivot
Or just change the system a bit, make teams represent themselves by their names rather than their clan tag
Clan tag can be secondary to team name no?
wicked snow
inb4 channel is closed
leaden belfry
It's not our fault or the competitive scene's fault that WG has hung on clan tag a lot
silver vapor
^^
frosty nexus
@green plover how many clans have few high-skilled teams on NA?
chilly hemlock
6 max
leaden belfry
^
green plover
About 5-6
chilly hemlock
Rgn void pramo purpl pincer str8
dim pivot
Yea why shud we pay for wg being hung up on clan tag
vital obsidian
will there be twister camo for both professional and challenger tournament top 8 @chilly terrace
chilly hemlock
That’s it
tall python
the team names are what separate each team within the clan. commentators call them by their team names.
frosty nexus
Then I think there is no reason to make open qualifiers and we can register only those clans to fight against each other. Because another mass of clans have no few teams for tournaments
leaden belfry
Have you followed previous NA tournaments, Daria? It's been this way for literal years. NA has few competitive clans, and always multiple teams per clan that get into the top 8
wicked snow
Knopka the issue we have at the moment is not getting 8 teams into top 8 , However , if we dont allow more teams to qualify for the top 8 , we will have worse teams into the top8 and therefor have less close games, it will be mostly top3 teams dominating completely 3:0 and rest just.... @frosty nexus
leaden belfry
And not just on NA
vocal quest
🍿
leaden belfry
EU has had multiple two teams of a clan in the top 8 as well
Legion, Eros, for example
thorn shale
And RU too
leaden belfry
^
silver vapor
Now asia also has FEAST with 2 teams.
leaden belfry
^
thorn shale
Last twister there were two GGAME teams
marble cypress
🍿
green plover
Yes Eros the best 😎
thorn shale
And two Ace Ventura teams
leaden belfry
So, again, focus on Team Name over Clan Tag and let people stay in their respective Blitz-homes
faint scaffoldBOT
Kouga 🐾🐾 [IMMOR]#9726 has been warned.
thorn shale
Stay on topic
vital obsidian
okay
faint scaffoldBOT
RG [EG-]#2125 has been warned.
wicked snow
FeelsBadMan
thorn shale
@frosty nexus @chilly terrace will WG really keep this 1 team per clan rule? Or will you guys maybe listen to the feedback?
violet hemlock
So what happens when there’s 2 clans with 2 teams each qualify for top 8? 2 go to challengers?
green plover
There is still time to change since prof tourney doesn’t start until the ascent are done
slender harness
Yes
thorn shale
If you can give us a yes or no, we will understand clearly how you value the community’s opinion
dim pivot
^
silver vapor
@thorn shale according the Rexy, they already have "considered" this before we mentioned it
leaden belfry
I'd love to get an explanation as to why WG has felt they needed to change the whole format, and why it's too difficult to focus on team name instead of clan tag
thorn shale
^^^^
vital obsidian
but if i understand correctly, 2 teams in eu still have a chance via wildcard but in na not?
green plover
Yes 2 eu and 2 ru will battle and whoever wins first gets to go twister while for NA no. @vital obsidian
midnight summit
Who on Earth would want to fight for a different clan. Why make another clan? A clan isn't something that's just meant to be broken in an instant. A clan is a bunch of friends who've known each other for ages; played with each other in tournaments, building up the experience for literally years. Just saying "fight for another clan" doesn't cut it. I'm pretty sure everyone would rather love fighting against teams from their own clan instead of going to another clan to do it.
dim pivot
Imagine the best players from all the servers ( except ru but i m sure they probably have problems with this rule as well) tell u that this is not the right way to do things and u give us a "its for the viewers"
thorn shale
@midnight summit exactly 👏
leaden belfry
Yes, it looks that way, @vital obsidian
median mason
Isn't that the same format as before? 2nd place and winner of the ascents (or whatever the name would be) play for the wild card with 2 other teams from Ru?
vital obsidian
rip na and asia
wicked snow
You are game developers its your game , you can change it as u wish , and at same time please ur players , that way both viewers and players r Happy, u keep ur playerbase and at same time gain new players by adverstising it with the new team names , Can u imagine how could it would be to have ur team tag next to ur name , same as in twister name format @frosty nexus , CAI_iraik for example , Team name + player tag is a really cool idea, and we will take same camo just to help u Because u listened to us , Player/developer relation is what makes people stay
violet hemlock
So in the case of 2 clans with 2 teams each qualify for top 8, will there be 10 teams in challengers or only 8?
frosty nexus
@leaden belfry we adjusted the system to make it fair for all clans and to provide to other clans to chance to prove themselves. We would like to see the variety of teams, not the finals between only PRAMO teams for example. In this case we also understand that if we allow the clan to register a lot of teams we will face the situation which we faced before when few teams from the one clan agreed on the results between each other to force which team from the clan should advance.
chilly hemlock
Why punish us for being good?
wicked snow
@violet hemlock in that case the team that came 9th goes to the number 8th spot , and vise versa
leaden belfry
^ what Raik said.
slender harness
"Provide other clans" those same other clans are still the same teams from one clan
midnight summit
Exactly raik
vocal quest
lol yea if they are the best why handicap them
leaden belfry
@frosty nexus you're not making it fair for clans, you're punishing the clans and the players. Cheating is never okay, but as Spring Season showed, that wasn't limited to teams from the same clan
the match fixing happens between different clans as well
violet hemlock
@wicked snow hows that fair
leaden belfry
so that's a zero-reason, imo
thorn shale
Hi
wicked snow
@violet hemlock ik
green plover
Tbh from WG’s view it does make some sense because viewers don’t really want to see 2 teams from the same clan battle it out because it’s like for example “ah ma gawd it’s PRAMO vs PRAMO ahhh yeahhhh” this is what people from the same clan or family of the clan will say while most the viewers will be like “ah number 2 here we go again/ this is boring”
thorn shale
@frosty nexus do you really think that making teams from same clan go to different clans will change clans match fixing? Just changing clan tag won’t fix that issue if you are worried about that
dim pivot
So ur idea for making new competition is make the current clans have a civil war and break themselves up
This is just very sad
U kno u cud do some things to actually increase competition and that is increase the prizes or stop selling tanks like t22 but nooooo we r gonna force clans to split to create fake competition
velvet dome
Wait, i dont get it, even if teams moved to other clans to fight under their clan tag, cant they still technically decide which team to advance?
thorn shale
Yes they could @velvet dome
wicked snow
Lets be honest u buffed 215B because of mobile masters right
leaden belfry
from WG's view it only makes sense imo because they have 0 understanding of the clan scene as such and what being in a clan means
eager aurora
imagine rigging in ascent, it doesnt solve the problem regardless
green plover
@wicked snow yes exactly 😂
velvet dome
was there a MM for 2019?
slender harness
You want a "variety of teams" and not all from one clan WHEN SAME TEAMS UNDER A DIFFERENT CLAN STILL MAKE TOP8
wicked snow
Nope @velvet dome
dim pivot
@frosty nexus teams can rig games from different clans so thats that
velvet dome
then i did not see u guys use 215bs a lot
midnight summit
Limiting the amount of teams from one clan doesn't even solve anything. It's the same old clan members just fighting as another team. The team members would still remain the same. It's the freaking same teams getting in professionals. Nothing will change. It's just forcing a family to break apart from each other.
green plover
@velvet dome mobile masters 2018 when zird was playing 215b in grand finals between PRAMO and r2k
slender harness
"variety of teams" TEAMS
wicked snow
We use it sometimes , just not always ideal for Cw
silver vapor
the bad guys will find ways to fix matches if it means they'll have to move into another clan. the good guys just wanted to be good and represent the clan that they proudly joined and proudly representing
velvet dome
with the recent buff 215b can take on a multitude of roles depending on how u equip it though
leaden belfry
@frosty nexus A much cleaner and better solution would be to drop the clan tag link for teams. Let them be identified by team name only. Then that's not an issue any longer. Cheating has happened between teams whether they were from the same clan or not, so that's not a reason, imo, to change things like this now
velvet dome
Case in point last year with PNCR iirc
slender harness
Its likr wg wanted the other clan team to delete their connection to their clab
midnight summit
Like literally. What will change? It's just the same team fighting. There's gonna be no new teams getting in professionals if the clans just break apart. It's gonna be the same old teams getting in top 8 and that doesn't even change anything...
faint scaffoldBOT
sugguandmuggu#1156 has been warned.
eager aurora
imagine creating dummy team in ascent and will rig the battle for the top 8. This is way bigger loophole than current system is
midnight summit
exactly
versed field
Can we use T22 or other gold, collector tanks in twister? Hoping not rly its way to make this cw p2w
slender harness
You wanted "top8 teams" not a bunch of lower quality teams participating in top8
velvet dome
so far yes u can use those tanks @versed field
dim pivot
@versed field ofcourse u can use them, why wud wg sell them before twister
silver vapor
^^
marble cypress
Spam all p2w tanks in cw and make wg proud 🤦♂️
velvet dome
the reason behind that is that it is comparable to tech tree tanks.
Not my words
dim pivot
Lol
wicked snow
Imo she just stopped reading , even if most of what u said make sense and is right , We cant really do much because they barely listen , i mean name me one time when they listened to us , this is exactly why wotblitz is dying and why it will keep losing players constantly , Decisions are never in player's own good
green plover
I mean that was one of the options people were telling WG to at least sell t22’s if they were going to be used for twister so that’s the playerbase fault ig since majority of comments I was reading back during pro tourney was “at least make it fair and sell t22 for everyone”
gentle sierra
Yes t22 is so comparable to tech tree tanks
slender harness
Wg ask for our opinions on their own decisions, whats the point
wicked snow
Hopefully they nerfed t22 , before it was just impossible to deal with it
slender harness
Like our opinions ever made it into their decisions
gentle sierra
Still harder to deal with than an 140 for example @wicked snow😢
silver vapor
like, if they won't even listen to us in this server on this occasion, honestly trash this server already. y'all are living in your alternative reality
wicked snow
Probably @gentle sierra
slender harness
Whats the point of this tournament channel
midnight summit
I don't really see a clear future of the competitive side of wotblitz if this happens. It's just gonna die off
wicked snow
The point is that we can cry here , on other channels it would be considired off topic @slender harness
gentle sierra
😂
leaden belfry
It's a place for us to give feedback and to hopefully talk some sense into wg or at least make them understand things
dim pivot
X
thorn shale
X
midnight summit
Of course. The one's who at least keep tournaments alive. Bye bye
silver vapor
X
gentle sierra
That they will never implement into the game *
slender harness
And wg wonder why the tournaments are dying
silver vapor
so far I haven't seen any suggestions from people I know that make it into the game
so big fat X from me
versed field
Its way to destroy this cw scene
green plover
Just go with the simple and ez solution everyone, delete.
dim pivot
Yea the ez solution bois
midnight summit
lmao
marble cypress
Off
green plover
@wicked snow tell niko to disband eg- and delete
slender harness
Does the cn server have this limitation? No? Time to move
leaden belfry
? CN?
dim pivot
Lmao china doesnt have this rule?
silver vapor
@slender harness pretty sure CN has the same rules
slender harness
Then i go delete
green plover
@wicked snow 😂😂 pay for roles you see
leaden belfry
they're listed in the news as well, @slender harness
so they do have the same limitation
btw, you're not seeing this, but Brian has woken up =)
silver vapor
oof
midnight summit
oof
leaden belfry
CC server is lit
thorn shale
😂
velvet dome
Really? din pixel say that CN was playing Bo15? where else has that been done?
green plover
You don’t have to tell us just to tease us..... keep it to yourself.
leaden belfry
I'm not
I think it's helpful to know that stuff is being addressed publicly and behind the scenes, from several angles
wicked snow
y u crying pleb @green plover
faint scaffoldBOT
Metadon66#5703 has been warned.
wicked snow
I swear TJ likes warning people
thorn shale
👀
blissful cobalt
green plover
Without any solid evidence simply saying “cc server is lit” is practically pointless and means nothing to any of us.
blissful cobalt
@jagged briar
leaden belfry
@green plover you'll just have to take my word for it, as I'm not allowed to share screenshots from there
winter swallow
Please do voice your opinions but do so calmly, and with courtesy to our Wargaming colleagues and friends.
vital obsidian
will there be 2 sets of twister camos for both prof and challenger tour not. If there will only be a pointless 90 day award I for challenger its time to say goodbye to this game
blissful cobalt
👀
winter swallow
Above all else, act like professionals to be treated like professionals.
wicked snow
If we can voice with wg for it i can do so
silver vapor
@winter swallow as much as I would like to treat our lovely WG employees as friends, they are really challenging the bottom line of the clans
blissful cobalt
I mean for like the first hour everyone was giving kind reasonable solutions
Then WG said "we dont care" basically
vocal quest
lol
winter swallow
@silver vapor we do not know where the decision came from, so assume the people you are talking to are simply messengers.
vital obsidian
messages works in both ways, usually
green plover
@leaden belfry I don’t trust the word of people I don’t know and have never associated with. 🤷
eager aurora
@green plover you are allowed to leave the community if that's the case
green plover
Lol what 😂
leaden belfry
@eager aurora no need
We have interacted before, but okay 🤷
anyhow, that's not relevant now
green plover
Interacted before? I do not recall 👀
Also @wicked snow ig just do what I said about making another clan
WG will most likely not change anything now so it’ll be worthless to argue over it
winter swallow
As a general comment, I would like that Wargaming consult relevant CC’s and the team leaders of previous offline teams regarding changes/improvements to tournaments structure, format and regulations etc.
eager aurora
ok 🤷
wicked snow
Thats the option for u NA , eu isnt really affectéd by it as we only have 1 team per clan as far as i know ( except last year for LGN)
green plover
Last year big game team 😎
jagged briar
Is it possible for me to change the server in the game?
hoary ridge
@jagged briar no
vocal quest
@winter swallow seems like the top clan does not agree with those changes, to put it mildly
wicked snow
@jagged briar make new account on Russian server
silver vapor
@winter swallow that would be super nice, but honestly I don’t see how our messengers here can make it happen
leaden belfry
@jagged briar no, each server has a different account. And this is really not the channel for it. Please go to #off-topic-discussion
silver vapor
I was shocked when I saw the news while in a tournament match lol, had to stop right there and actually understand what the entire post meant
vital obsidian
What happen if a clan has 2 teams in top 8 from ascent,
They need to move one of them to challenge? Then a team outside top 8 rises to pro? I dont get it
vital obsidian
green plover
I think they said you get to choose which team goes where
leaden belfry
that's even more ludicrous, tbh
easier to match-fix
and it means a 'lesser' team goes through, at that
green plover
Tbh though it’ll probably be based off wins whichever team from the same clan has more wins goes through
violet hemlock
So 9th place goes to 8th place in that case?
thorn shale
I would assume so yes
Imagine being on a team that can’t make it into top 8 because of this new rule
green plover
Most likely unless WG have a different way of deciding a teams fate
leaden belfry
if WG insists on enforcing this, clans will literally fall apart
silver vapor
So many ways to manipulate
Pay a better team and join them to get into challengers tournaments
thorn shale
@leaden belfry could you imagine missing out on a chance to go to Minsk because some clan didn’t understand the new rule??
vital obsidian
@leaden belfry yes
thorn shale
It’s very likely it’s going to happen too
leaden belfry
@thorn shale that as well
violet hemlock
This is not fair lol
thorn shale
Honestly the more I think of this, the more ridiculous it gets
leaden belfry
I can only hope that WG being badgered constantly will help them see reason
harsh ember
😂😂wg seeing reason
vocal quest
bwhahaha
silver vapor
That’s new
vital obsidian
Wonder if any rulemaker even read this
violet hemlock
A top 8 deserves to be in top 8 not top 16 xd
vital obsidian
Can the team leave clan to stay in top 8?
green plover
Viewers want variety and WG are giving them it so in a sense they are actually listening lol
leaden belfry
@harsh ember it has happened before and I do believe in miracles 🙃
gleaming pollen
I mean they could have removed The clan boundaries from twister
leaden belfry
^ that would have been the logical decision
harsh ember
I'll hope they do as well I guess lmao
green plover
Remove boundaries? You mean so anyone can play with any team?
gentle sierra
That doesnt affect eu though , no top clan has a 2nd team capable of being in the top 8
leaden belfry
@gentle sierra Eros, Spring Season
green plover
Poach immor for Loca’s second team
gentle sierra
I mean for this Twister @leaden belfry
leaden belfry
it affects EU less, but in the end, it effects -every- server
vital obsidian
@green plover 👀
gentle sierra
We dont have a 2nd team 👀 @green plover
leaden belfry
RU has multiple teams for some clans as well
violet hemlock
Eg could make two teams in eu, thy have the players for it
vital obsidian
Now they would not 🤣
silver vapor
I mean, we are already reacting by planning out how we're going to do this season, but honestly like a sudden announcement for such a change, less than 2 weeks before the games begin, and such controversial change as well, just smh
gentle sierra
Inb4 next week , pc is allowed @silver vapor
green plover
@vital obsidian get Danny to merge 👀
@gentle sierra foksi and Karol op duo
leaden belfry
That as well, though, @silver vapor, with this short notice
winter swallow
#pleasebeconstructive
leaden belfry
^ and that
silver vapor
@gentle sierra ono better pack up and refund my ipad mini I just got like 3 days ago
gentle sierra
Un1 and vano 2nd op duo @green plover
leaden belfry
if you want to be not-constructive or joke around, please do it elsewhere
winter swallow
I know we are all frustrated, but also the more meaningless messages WG have to sift through, the less changes we as a community can effect.
vital obsidian
I think we can handle our clan thanks for advices
green plover
Non constructive is bickering with the messengers about this whole clan tag issue and in the end expecting a result from WG.
silver vapor
being constructive is a bi-directional action, not just us being constructive and wargaming just deconstructing our hard work
winter swallow
So let’s keep it tight, keep it focused. We are one team, with one goal. Proposed message format:
I do / do not like the new format because:
Here are my proposed suggestions / solutions:
leaden belfry
winter swallow
If WG only have those messages to read through, we as a community are louder and clearer.
leaden belfry
even if you feel wg isn't constructive, us not being constructive isn't going to help that
green plover
We were being constructive earlier and what was the response that we all received loud and clear from WG’s messengers? Honestly at this point expecting WG to listen to reason from the few that this affects over the majority of the viewers who wants variety is most likely not gonna happen.
leaden belfry
who are now not responding, so hopefully they're doing something with what's been said here so far
so let's keep it constructive and as mature as we can manage
thorn shale
Well said
winter swallow
@green plover - I’m sure the silence is productive.
azure void
Ok so say RGN has 2 teams, they create a new clan called CHAOS For twister. And CHAOS wins the twister cup.. after the twister cup everyone from CHAOS rejoins RGN. So then CHAOS Is nothing. The clan will no longer exist 1 day after winning twister cup 🤔
green plover
Hopefully it is I would love nothing more than to see WG listen to us for once
winter swallow
Ok. I’m out on the chit chat. Here are my thoughts.
I don’t like the new changes because they have come too late, do not respect/reflect community structures both inside and outside of the game, and serve no purpose other than to remove clan v clan matches (I.e. PRAMO v PRAMO).
My suggestion is to instead ditch clan tags during tournaments, and instead use Team Names.
leaden belfry
@azure void ... but will forever be in the books as the clan that won Twister..... 🙃
thorn shale
@winter swallow essentially my thoughts
gleaming pollen
I agree 100%
winter swallow
Of course after tournament is done, we can say clan X won Twister.
thorn shale
If we agree with rolling, we can say it here and then just copy paste his message to WG 😊
Most efficient
gentle sierra
👍
chilly terrace
Let’s sum up. We made this decision because:
- The old system wasn’t fair enough. The new system is much fairer, because it’s based on series of tournaments instead of one tournament. The result of series is unlikely to be unfair. Why is it based on clans, not teams? Because it’s more flexible. For example, you register your team for these series and their cast of players is fixed. If 3-4 players from this team cannot participate in one of series days, it’s likely that you will lose a chance to enter in Professional tournament. When it’s based on clan, you have more variants for replacements.
- The old system was put aside from the rest season activities. It was weird because the way to Top Echelon Championship, for example, took more time and efforts than way to Professional tournament. New system allows to determine the best team from each region. And this team will represent region on Twister Cup 2019.
- Make difference between teams clearer for viewers. Big part of viewers doesn’t memorize team via its name. They memorize it via clan tag. If team leave a clan for participating in season, they will gain a fame for their name, not for clan name.
- The new system provides for a team a chance to decide who will pretend for a Twister Cup. On the moment of registration to Professionals tournament the clan members should decide by fact which players will present the region on Twister Cup 2019 if they win. This is a complex and responsible question for the clan to decide.
If look at all these pluses, the lack of possibility to send more then one team from one clan to Professional tournament doesn’t look like an issue.
winter swallow
And that clans A B and C participated etc.
silver vapor
I do / do not like the new format because:
This does not solve what wargaming intends to solve as in disallowing match fixing and and making different clan tags appear. as long as we want, we can all make our clan tags very similar and our team names very similar and confuse everyone as well, we can still do match fixings as different clans and nothing would be able to stop us.
This is also challenging the bottom line and the basic foundation of clans as clans are meant to be uniting players together, not broke apart when we need competition. It's simply not fair for a clan to have to break apart because they have more than 1 strong team within that clan. every clan has their own essence and breaking them means you are destroying diversity of clans to achieve what you call as "diversity"
Here are my proposed solutions / suggestions:
Keep the old format, and fixes what's wrong with the old format.
Focus on team names instead of clan tags and names.
Changes in-game interfaces and tournament regulations to emphasize that team names represent team more than a clan.
blissful cobalt
I do not like the new format because: It forces clans to split up just so each team has a chance at top 8. This whole process just removes the idea of clans, and punished servers like NA where almost of the competitive teams are in 2-3 clans.
Here is my proposed solution: The system isalready in place to exclude clan tag for quick tournaments. Just do the same thing but enforce the clan lock.
Or provide a team tag instead of clan tag when signing up for the tournament. Look at doing this with the Spectator UI so viewers aren’t confused. Or even drop tags all together in tournmeants. Alternatively you could also include team camos. Everyone just spent a couple weeks making camos.
leaden belfry
@chilly terrace does this mean that in effect, if it's clan related, team X can win all the tournaments and team Y can go to the offline, as long as they're in the same clan?
tall python
so there are no set rosters for these tournaments? seem like that is what i’m seeing in a sense when reading that. “when it’s based on clan, you have more variants for replacements.” does this mean that our roster could change every time we play? that sounds very confusing imo. VERY confusing
harsh ember
So if one day, half of my team cant show because of real life obligations and we literally cannot participate in an ascent, our top 8 spot is challenged by a mediocre team with absolutely no experience in top level tournaments?
gleaming pollen
We could add team tags as we'll it wouldnt change The clearity of The teams
leaden belfry
imo the Professionals Tournament set up was perfect
tall python
it was
harsh ember
^
leaden belfry
the fact that Top Echelon was harder means that -that- format should be changed
not this one
silver vapor
^^
azure void
So I can basically play no battles in the tournament, but if my team win I get to go if picked
tall python
there was absolutely NO NEED to change anything when everything worked as planned and it worked well.
leaden belfry
@azure void that's what's said, yes
blissful cobalt
Theses decisions aren’t based on the high level comp players. All the comments about people not making it, and having flexibility. Most high level comp teams make sure people can make it, also struggling with multiple teams playing.
This decision was made for clans that struggle to play in tournaments
green plover
@harsh ember yes that’s how it’ll most likely be
blissful cobalt
But you nor I are what WG is basing these decisions on
silver vapor
re(1): how about, just add the number of reserves, like to 12 for example? teams can choose to either fill up all 12 slots as they need, or just use 7-10 if they think it works for them
azure void
Even pramo at Mobile masters were being called "CryaboutIt" and not PRAMO
green plover
^
tall python
we need an official and proper announcement about the rules for twister. the amount of confusion and uncertainty in this chat is ridiculous. i’m not sure anyone here knows exactly what’s going on besides the fact that we are being forced to play under different clan tags due to them limiting a clan to one team. this is horrible
harsh ember
doesnt help that their "video" was literally the most useless thing I've ever seen
wicked snow
moe is a ChinlessChikenNugget
green plover
What rules do you not understand? @tall python
winter swallow
@wicked snow no don’t fight w/ Moe. I love you both. Don’t make me pick a side 😭
harsh ember
@wicked snow he a chinlessSpicyChickenNugget
wicked snow
Nah we love each other dw @winter swallow, if we qualify for offline we said we would pick the same room
tall python
literally all of them lol. do we have to have a set 9 man roster? can the whole clan play prior to the pro season? this is legit horrible lol
winter swallow
❤
thorn shale
@tall python it gets more confusing the more they write yea?
winter swallow
He is spicy tho - @azure void say you love @green plover more if you actually love him less
azure void
@winter swallow I love Moe more
wicked snow
I confirm
green plover
I think it’s gonna be like the same team you use to play every ascent tourney will be the one you have to register with for pro tourney @tall python
tall python
definitely. there’s no gain whatsoever no matter what they say
mellow roost
#########
As a two time member of the B team of a clan to qualify to top 8, i disagree with how we’re being told that these changes will affect clans in the first place. Nothing brought my clans closer together than when another one of our teams won a tough match up. Also, during both season, the player base easily recognized one team from the other within the same clan. I was saluted in games as goldfish/chaos, not just my clan tag. If they actually followed the tournament stream and news, they knew the difference.
azure void
Also what would be the difference if RGN 2nd team left the clan for twister and then joined a clan called _RGN or _RGN or -RGN-
Because that would be allowed
winter swallow
@azure void do not reverse RGN tag.
harsh ember
Do it
blissful cobalt
Oof
green plover
Yes we were planning to make a reverse rgn clan 💪
wicked snow
Last time on qt they had teams called, Thing 1, thing 2 , thing 3 😂😂😂😂
thorn shale
@mellow roost you aren’t B team 😡
azure void
Lol that's what I mean
tall python
exactly. we can legit make things MORE confusing if we truly wanted to because we are in control of the clan/team name tags. we could turn WG’s idea of making things “easier” twice as hard if we truly wanted to be difficult.
silver vapor
^^^
winter swallow
FEEST.
azure void
So what's the difference between seeing RGN and _RGN in tournament. Both will still be known as RGN
thorn shale
@tall python lets make RGN_
dim pivot
Jajaja feest
thorn shale
and Pramo-
mellow roost
How about these team names? [RGN] RYZE and [RYZE] RGN
harsh ember
Give us some more rejects to put on rgn_
silver vapor
@winter swallow there was someone who used FERST and it honestly look so close to FEAST
tall python
it’s such a tragedy that we basically have to FIGHT with WG over changes that shouldn’t have been made.
azure void
Because this is what will happen 100%
gentle sierra
A team could qualify for top 8 , register their team and then go back to their main clan , right ?
wicked snow
U cant leave clan when u r part of a participating tournament team @gentle sierra
leaden belfry
@gentle sierra I'm pretty sure they'd have to keep their fake clan tag
green plover
I’ll make a clan called [DB2TC] so Darren+Brian 2 twister cup @azure void @winter swallow
leaden belfry
but it depends on the regulations
azure void
Oof
thorn shale
I like tanners idea tbh
leaden belfry
which I haven't heard of yet
thorn shale
Let’s make things more difficult
winter swallow
PRUWU. Nah wait. That’s my new clan. Y’all stay away.
green plover
Thanks for the idea time to steal it
burnt ingot
Yeah I agree @thorn shale lol
thorn shale
Already created
burnt ingot
They wanna make things difficult for us we can make it difficult for them 😉
green plover
Yes take 7 maus and shoot at the sky for 7 minutes
wicked snow
Inb4 warned muted , kicked& banned
azure void
@green plover I have an idea
mellow roost
Once the top 8 are decided, we can have wolf life training room simulators on stream
gentle sierra
@wicked snow pretty sure skuaa left ez- after they qualified for prof tourney
azure void
I can create a new account on NA. Join RGN with 0 battles. If you win twister I can be chosen to go minsk
👍
silver vapor
lit 🔥
green plover
Yes 💪 you will be our mentor @azure void
blissful cobalt
Lol
thorn shale
@burnt ingot bruh I’m fr gonna set it up with every NA clan I can think of.
green plover
Tbh idk if Tj will let me on team 🙁
thorn shale
No
azure void
Then if we lose, I'll make a speech.
thorn shale
Ur rusty and bad @green plover
burnt ingot
@thorn shale do it
mellow roost
Can players switch clans mid tournament with the new system?
burnt ingot
Who knows probably
green plover
Most likely not
thorn shale
And once you register, you’re locked in
mellow roost
Ah so the entire clan will be stuck
thorn shale
Yep 😄
blissful cobalt
You could technically be kicked
green plover
Yes kick the whole clan and blame someone else for doing so then you can make a new team
mellow roost
So what happens if 50 people join he tournament room? How are you supposed to find your seven?
blissful cobalt
Lol
leaden belfry
@mellow roost likely you have to keep the same clan tag for the whole of the tournament
but that'll be in the regulations
blissful cobalt
With everyone moving themselves in whenever there is an opening 😂 @mellow roost
mellow roost
I mean I understand it’s likely, but it’s the kind of thing that WGa will miss
midnight summit
As far as I remember, the players had to be in the clan for more than 30 days before the online finals in order to be eligable for offline finals. And that's at least what happened last tournament.
viscid python
I remember 2017 there was information/rules for twister which I did read for half an hour. Now 2019, theres one screenshot🧐.
Also..
When you will announce dates WG?
Players have life too..
silver vapor
^^
wicked snow
WG be like :_ wait so players r humans too?_
silver vapor
lol
green plover
@wicked snow you don’t count bot with your playstyle in tournaments
silver vapor
nah, real humans would've moved on from this game ages ago
wicked snow
Sadly that applies to u as well @green plover
mellow roost
I also disagree with the new concept because it’s flat out punishing players for assembling into clans in groups larger than ten. It’s just killing comp, because the clan is always going to play their best seven in order to be competitive, and everyone else is just going to wait to be needed.
green plover
@wicked snow I played tournaments very well I’ll have you know and this whole aspect of one team clan policy is very absurd.
chilly hemlock
“Is this good for the player?”
wicked snow
ChinlessChikenNuggets dont count qs humans either btw @green plover 😂😂😂
green plover
Who cares about the players it all comes down to the viewers which majority I bet don’t even play tournaments
chilly hemlock
If wg got what it wanted, two clans would go 1-13 in pro season
azure void
🙋🏻♂️
wicked snow
Dude 90% of them watch for the blitz coins lmao the other 10% r either our friends or clan mates
silver vapor
^^
green plover
I’d rather watch @wicked snow crash into buildings driving a batchat
azure void
10% is a bit low
wicked snow
Each time i check stream commentaries its Ahmed asking how to get coins
azure void
Lol