tourneys-discussion

[wicked snow]

Is4 is less red than this

@frigid aurora help

[silver vapor]

must be fair if someone can pay to obtain more choices in their strategies. rite?

there's reasons why WoTB Comp scene is so small compared to other games that just started recently....

Sadly, Wargaming doesn't like to reflect and improve on these so basically we are slowly fading away here.

[frigid aurora]

wait what lol

how is the T22 balanced when it has the best characteristics compared to other T10 mediums? How is it balanced if the collected data from all regions show that T22 has best stats in randoms compared to all other alternative mediums? How is the badger balanced when it has the better characteristics compared to its main alternative - E3? How was M60 balanced when it had almost every characteristic better than the Patton? I understand that premium tanks can be better in randoms, where pay 2 win is a common thing already and everyone got used to this, but what is funny is when overpowered tournament vehicles get called balanced in a totally different sphere of the game, which only like 1% of the playersbase is actually involved into and has a clue about

If everyone from any professional clan 's team bought a T22 and had a lineup of 7 of these then u would have had a permanent world champion, because playing against this thing requires urself to be focused as never, while the T22 driver himself can get a bounce or can hit shots that none of any other mediums in the game would have done. T22 forgives mistakes of players as no other tank in the game because it's a heavy tank with a speed of a medium, and its armor profile is almost like IS-7s if not better at some points, isn't that an advantage to them already?

[glass thunder]

an avg player on t22med can bully good player on obj140 ez

[frigid aurora]

I personally don't mind even playing against these premium things because its a challenge that adds variety to the game, but this destroys the true meaning of tournaments - dominating by skill and strategical thinking, and equality of conditions in which the players compete. Like if it will be needed for me to win against these op tanks then I'll do it, but why do i need to have a disadvantage straight away if i can not just make it a close victory like 2-0 but turn it into a 6-0, 7-0 massacre, this is just unfair

[silver vapor]

and that's only from the tank balance stand point.

If you take into account that you're "buying" into new strategical possibilities, since some of these tanks perform unique roles that current tanks are not best for, it's basically "pay to get more strategic choices" and this can decide a lot in a matchup where both teams are equal in skill.

[frigid aurora]

^ ur not gonna yolopush with 3 140s to kill 3 other tanks without thinking twice about the outcome, however if u have 3 T-22s pushing u can even outplay 4 opponents at ease, and i know what im talking about cus we've been training against RA1D who has 3 of these, and they did exactly the same thing, and is that called balanced? That's just sad

[silver vapor]

make things simple, my request is basically to "limit the tournament tank pool to tanks that can be publicly obtainable, free of charge and at any time", which can be in the form of grinding (standard tech tree tanks), or alternatively open up the tank pool that can be publicly accessible by all players who wishes to participate in tournaments.

time investments is already a hurdle for the comp side of things, since you would need to invest years of times before you even have a garage that allows you to compete in comp environment without being handicapped, and some games in the market now doesn't even have a time hurdle before you can compete in such tournaments, and those game have their comp scene in much bigger scale because of this.

[frigid aurora]

well if u sell T22s on left and right then imagine the tournament lineups, its gonna turn even that sphere into a p2w

[chilly hemlock]

Could make tournaments and ratings tech tree only

You know. For equality reasons

[thorn shale]

That would make sense and eliminate a large source of controversy.

[silver vapor]

@chilly hemlock news flash. they already said it above that they aren't doing it

[chilly hemlock]

News*

[silver vapor]

yes ik

[chilly hemlock]

Imagine if there was a survey about it

And overwhelmingly people voted against collector/premium tanks being in tournaments

Although not as bad at tier x

Compare a team using:
Wz td, mod 1s and obj 252us
Vs
Isu, t44 and is3

One team has a clear advantage

[silver vapor]

can't agree more with that

[fathom tiger]

Didnt rollingswarm do that survey? Hard to guess how it went

[silver vapor]

was there a survey about it?

[fathom tiger]

I think he did i just cannot find it

[thorn shale]

@wicked snow correction, Badger doesn’t have best DPM at tier 10, the 263 has a bit better

Sorry Whoopz, meant to tag RG not you 😅

[frigid aurora]

"How is the badger balanced when it has the better characteristics compared to its main alternative - E3?" I didn't say a thing about badger's dpm xd this tj lol

[thorn shale]

I know xD

Wrong @

[winged saffron]

The T22 is fair and balanced, I will hear nothing of it
Not like it is better than every other medium

[slim token]

Thank you for the update! @chilly terrace

[green plover]

As whoopzie said it, you can’t sell them because then people would just buy them and then you’d see 7 t22’s per game and the funny thing is WG are probably going to auction them basically with a limited amount sold just so people pay more money.

The best way I can see that benefits both sides (WG and the people who originally bought the t22’s during one of the events) is to ban them from major tournament’s but let them be during quick tournaments this way you have a reason to buy the t22 (flex it basically).

@frigid aurora anything you want to add mR carnage?

[wicked snow]

@thorn shale shhh they dont know

Litteraly Wargaming you have most of the Clan leaders of top teams in EU , NA , ASIA saying it and you still ignore us , We played this game every day for the past 5 years , if anyone knows something about this game its the people who play it , At least considire our feedback because we know what we r talking about ,we arent 40% players crying about match maker or Tank destroyers , we r speaking about balance issues and advantages for tournaments

[frigid aurora]

@green plover i agree

and with what RG said there as well, u can't call a tank tournament-balanced unless u played at least a couple of tournaments lol

[silver vapor]

I cry about match maker sometimes but still

[wicked snow]

Make a poll wheter the t22 is Op or not , or wheter it should be available in tournaments and u will see ,i can guarantee u the results will be at least 90% positive , " At least "

Want a better example even? The only game RA1D beat MERCY is when they picked 7 T-22 and rushed , tell me im wrong again....

[green plover]

The least WG can do is sit down with the top clans that do tournaments or at least the major ones and listen to what they have to say about them instead of creating nonsense servers for everyone to vote about what they want, the 40-50% players are practically bots that don’t know what they’re doing, I bet more than half of them don’t even play tournaments so it’s really laziness I guess that there isn’t much care about the competitive scene and it’s just more about WG trying to get money from new players.

[wicked snow]

Dude , on the video where they introduce the t22 they even say its op 😂😂😂

[green plover]

I’m sure I speak on behalf of everyone that can or is thinking when I say that more attention needs to be spent on the competitive scene and not just a bunch of people’s wallets.

[wicked snow]

For my part +

[woeful marlin]

Has anyone received rewards for the gold tourney and last nights QT?

[green plover]

It’s been bugged for the last 4 or so tournies now @woeful marlin

[woeful marlin]

Ah why didn’t I think of that 🙄🤔

[harsh ember]

oh no my 💩 rewards r gone 😭

[chilly hemlock]

I guess you’ll just have to play 4 games in a Lowe

[spiral maple]

I still havent got mine from the tier x tournament like 2 weeks ago and the tier 7-8one last night

I WANT MY CREDITS I BEEN PLAYING SINCE IT CAME OUT and spent a lot of money on u guys i bet what i spent in this game could pay for the prob to fixed completely so get it done snd make the credits actually get sent to the accounts after tournaments jesus

[thorn shale]

Patience lol

[foggy torrent]

I honestly have no idea if I got my creds bc last night I was playing a tier 10 tournament, we won all tours and I finished with 200k more credits than what I started, but idk if that was from me just doing well in battle without spamming prem or not

[chilly hemlock]

When I don’t get what I want in life, I just yell at people too

[atomic tartan]

have any of you even played a T-22

no, i don't mean horribly losing to one and then crying. have any of you actually driven one.

[chilly hemlock]

I have

I see its advantages and disadvantages

[atomic tartan]

exactly. the tank has its disadvantages like every other tank

[chilly hemlock]

The honest and best question is why allow collector tanks in tournaments?

If we want a level playing field, why allow them?

[atomic tartan]

its not as fast as you'd think it is and the gun handling is questionable. i don't get why someone even brought up the 113 against it

[chilly hemlock]

113 vs t-22 is a stupid comparison

121 vs t-22 holds slightly more ground but the 121 isn’t a tournament tank

[median mason]

Wow, t22 is faster than ob140 O.o

[atomic tartan]

nobody complained about the 121 because they think it sucks. that's the whole basis of this entire discussion. we wouldn't be talking about this certain people didn't get humiliated

@median mason the 140 has one and a half times the effective p/w lol

[silver vapor]

I've driven a T-22 (in fact I own one), and I can feel it being slower than 140

[median mason]

I looked at Blitz Assistant App

[silver vapor]

you just don't see me using it in tournaments because I am not that great of a medium player 🤣

[atomic tartan]

exactly. the tank doesn't completely outclass the other soviet mediums. the gun is nothing compared to the 62A. for this significant speed disadvantage (unless you actually think being one and a half times faster is nothing) to the 140, it gets better armor

then again, i am talking to a group of people that includes a guy that thinks that because it can't be HE'd in the back of the turret by a Jageru like a 113 can be, it is a point to prove that T-22 is OP

[silver vapor]

I'd say the tank has it's own problems, but it still doesn't stray from my point of "buying strategical choices"

[atomic tartan]

i'm not quite sure why that man isn't screaming about the 215b, the e100, the is-4, the maus, the 140, the 62a and many more right now

they must all have some pretty broken turret armor

[foggy torrent]

140 no 62 no e100 no

215b and is4 are only real turreted beasts

[green plover]

The main issue is the tanks armor. Sure enough another problem is the fact that anybody that has a wallet will buy it but everyone who has played against a t22 knows people don’t use it for it’s gun or speed but rather it’s troll armor.

[chilly hemlock]

The t-22 gets arguably too much armor for the dpm

[foggy torrent]

I'd like to get my hands on a badger

Broken cancer that thing is, 2 tanks in the whole game that can pen hull down

And you gotta shoot premium in most everything else just to pen the lower plate

[green plover]

Yeah it can be used hulldown and has a strong turret but the main concern is the rest of the tanks armor, you put it in a 1v1 vs any medium and sure enough if the t22 driver is decent you see the t22 win. You can drive ridiculously and swerve left and right and a 268 has your flat side and chances are he’s gonna most likely bounce just because it’s a t22, whereas if it was a 140 or 62A there’d probably be an ammorack/guaranteed pen.

[thorn shale]

Plus you can visually see its slower

[wicked snow]

Dpm is just 100 less
Accuracy 0,02 i believe

[fathom tiger]

T22 is not op cuz it has disadvantages while having best stats in tier 10

Just like the obj252 is not op because you can pen it’s lower plate

[silver vapor]

tier 8?

[fathom tiger]

Ya the op tier 8

[silver vapor]

"T22 is not op cuz it has disadvantages while having best stats in tier 8" ?

[fathom tiger]

Oh my bad

[silver vapor]

I was scratching my head reading that

[fathom tiger]

My head is on low battery mode

[thorn shale]

@foggy torrent @wicked snow

[foggy torrent]

?

[wicked snow]

Why the heck would u tag me to not say anything Please

[chilly hemlock]

@thorn shale

[chilly terrace]

@wicked snow If you mention RA1D - MERCY game, please, mention all information. What was the battle score? 7-5. Hard to say that it was total domination. By the way, there were 2 matches where RA1D used 7 T-22. And they won only one from them.

@woeful marlin @spiral maple There was an issue with rewarding from 1st August to 4th August on NA. We've already fixed it, but rewards have not accrued yet. We are working on accrual prizes.

[gentle sierra]

Smh , you have so many people that actually play cw in a very high level telling u the t22 is way better than every single tech tree medium yet you dont want to accept it

Bouncing its side with high pen tds when its flat surely doesnt make it broken , or its balanced turret

140 can do the same thing , or just get ammoracked trying

Why is it so hard to just not allow premium and collectors tanks in tournamets , at least the high level tournaments , it will surely not lower how much money blitz gains from those tanks that much just because they are not allowed for a tournament

[glass thunder]

t22 not broken just can bully meds like obj140 and t62a also can facehug is4 and make is4 bounce on it

[azure pecan]

Yeah t22 is just best tank t10 is everything and can easy rekt all tanks in 1v1

[foggy torrent]

Not close to the truth

[azure pecan]

But nothing more

Yeah it doesn’t have jageroo’s penetration sorry, buff it pls wg

[foggy torrent]

T22 is a good tank but I don't recall having issues with it in an tournament, it can and will do better than tech tree meds but to say it's the best tier 10 is just wrong

[azure pecan]

Then which t10 is better

[foggy torrent]

Ngl 268 is a high contender for this

IS4 is always up there

[azure pecan]

No, 268 is best td but t22 bullies it ez

[foggy torrent]

After buff jageroo is great, E5 in pubs does wonders

Oh E5, E5 could wipe T22 off the planet

[azure pecan]

Is4 has lower dpm, lower mobility and speed, and sorry to say this butis4 is easier to pen once t22 sides are troll even with 400mm pen, not is4 ones

[foggy torrent]

Good dpm with gun depression, good mobility, with a good enough pen to get good and close

[gentle sierra]

E5 lul

Jageroo is as big as a whale and can easily be penned , especially with gold

[foggy torrent]

You have clearly never played a jageroo

Also that was for tank I think are better than T22 which for me T22 wasn't a that great, just crappy med with good armour

[gentle sierra]

Lmao , i only have 500 games in the jg , you are right

At least i know what i am talking about

[fringe galleon]

E5 😂 Thats why u see them a lot in clan wars. Oh wait nobody uses them

[green plover]

Lol e5 and jageru almost as rare to see them as an is6 fearless

[glass thunder]

jpe100 was gonna be great tank if we had no heat and apcr but they made it like no armor td all can pen and you get slow tanks mobilite

[gentle sierra]

121 best cw tank

[green plover]

And I have over 2k games in my jageru, it’s safe enough to say against the t22 which has a strong turret and heat it’ll just keep hitting you with heat until you’re left crawling to a new spot or cover

And like I said yesterday the issue with the t22 isn’t the gun or speed it’s the fact that the armor is stupid broken

[glass thunder]

t22 have is7 side armor and big problem of the tank is lower plater is not weak spot and many shot it but miss

[azure pecan]

Is7 with more armor and also on sides

The mobility of t22 seems to be better than 140 one

@foggy torrent e5 would just get rekted lmao
T22 mobility [phone]
T22 has low profile and better turret armor
T22 also better dpm
T22 can sidescrap, side hug ( as well he can run from a face hug as mobility is op )

[fringe galleon]

And u cant really track T22 because it just goes yellow..

[azure pecan]

Just imagin t22 in tourney, so glad that there are not a lot of guys that have it
But t22 can outplay any medium in any case ( in hulldown or in side scrap ) and can also make things against heavys

[green plover]

@azure pecan that’s the thing lmao WG are planning on selling it sometime soon, now imagine it’s before twister lol you’re going to see a bunch of t22’s if not a team full of t22’s both teams, it’ll be just like the first twister with spam 140’s.

[fringe galleon]

Imagine investing time for that

[fathom tiger]

I bet t22 gonna be for sale like a week before twister cup

[azure pecan]

I don’t think it will be sold with unlimited amount

So if it’s not blitz fair, might be in chests as it’s also a way to don’t say that the tank costs 400€ directly

[crisp shore]

T-22 is hands down the best medium that could fulfill the role of a medium in tournaments - getting to a strategic spot quickly and holding that flank to allow other tanks to get their own strategic spots. It is also very flexible in finding a spot to work your armor as well, and the armor is also very good: the best flanking tank imo. I don't think I would pick any medium/light other than T-22 if given a choice, unless the role is to quickly spot or work with undulating terrain.

[glass thunder]

obj140 driver should be happy cause the t62a dont even have gun depression to shot t62a when facehuging xd

all players know that m60>m48patton ,chieftain>e5 ,badger>e3 and t22 med>>all

[crisp shore]

Also is E5 really that mobile? 🤔 (Spring season upper echelon trauma intensifies😖 )

[foggy torrent]

E5 is not mobile for it's armour but I like to think it's pretty quick

[wicked snow]

Comparing e5 to t22....

[winter swallow]

E5 has better gun handling...

But, in my opinion, the T22 is unequivocally broken in organised competitve game play and if available on mass will destabilise tier x tournaments. Will a top 50 team fielding t22 spam beat a top 5 team not doing so? No. BUT- whichever top 10 team has the bigger wallet will buy an edge through t22 spam.

Of course this is just my opinion - and what do I know about tournament play?

[green orchid]

You're qualified enough to know @winter swallow considering you stream and provide excellent commentary on all types of tournaments

[green plover]

E5 being compared to t22?

What nonsense is this

[green orchid]

This is the official world of tanks blitz server @green plover if you dont like it, leave.

[green plover]

😂

[fathom tiger]

E5>mk6 cuz ap+heat rather than double apcr

[stark hazel]

i love my E5

[tame shore]

I love you all 😍

[wicked snow]

I love ur profile pic 😉
But T22 is still broken 😂😂😂

[atomic tartan]

wow. just when you thought 113 vs t-22 couldn't get any dumber

@green orchid if we're going to be comparing stuff like E5s to a T-22 then this is not a World of Tanks Blitz server. this is a zoo.

[green orchid]

I’m simply making a statement @atomic tartan not the comparison

[atomic tartan]

113 and t-22 are not similar. maybe they somehow look similar, idk and thats about it

113 is a stretched t-62a with a bigger gun while t-22 is a t-62a that went through a meat grinder. thats about as similar as they get

10 times better at what?

maybe one thing. but if you look at the overall picture, they are two different types of tanks meant for two different roles. they're not even remotely close in their purpose

you're putting view range and camo as criteria in a comparison between a medium and a heavy

but not camo, view range or mobility. or really aiming either, because its a bigger gun. and it does have better armor in some situations

the upper plates on the t-22 are literally useless.

they simply make the tank more awkward to play without being any more effective. the designers were simply better off cutting the pike nose and replacing it with a flat plate like the 140. then it'll have truly broken armor

but the pike nose is a weakspot nomatter how you turn it. its not an IS-7

then you should have no problems against an E 100. and that thing weighs over twice as much as either of these tanks

then the t-22 has it's niche. it pays for it with relatively poor speed

the 140 literally has one and a half times the p/w

the STB and Pattons can also do things the T-22 can't. they have a lot more gun depression

the Pattons turrets are pretty decent as well

tbh? it's completely fine where it is.

[foggy torrent]

^

[atomic tartan]

maybe it's stronger than some tier 10 mediums. maybe it's not. but its definitely not as game breaking as you people make it out to be

[foggy torrent]

Omfg finally someone with some bloody sense

[atomic tartan]

just because some sub 4th place team got humiliated by one doesn't mean everyone should jump on board that bandwagon. like seriously, the fact we're even talking about this is the only reason those people have any relevance. you're playing right into their hands

maybe their strats don't call for it

[foggy torrent]

Just because some top players use one tank over anothrr doesn't mean it's OP

[atomic tartan]

but if i were to roll 7 single-shot Fochs and win a major tournament with it, would you take my word for it that it's too good?

[thorn shale]

^

[atomic tartan]

or would you, you know, actually go play the tank

[thorn shale]

To showcase that the T22 is only as good as the player playing it, there was a match on NA where two T22s got outplayed by 1 62A

I’ll see if I can find the link

[foggy torrent]

Did I hear #outplayed

[thorn shale]

But the bottom line is that on flat ground the T22 is easy to farm

[foggy torrent]

^

[thorn shale]

T22 also has subpar traverse, and is huge, so if you get it on flat ground it’s fairly easy to farm

Just shoot the pike nose

Literally auto pen the pike nose every time

So don’t shoot the side?

😂

[foggy torrent]

You do know there's this thing called finding someone else to shoot at

[thorn shale]

It’s not like it’s hard to shoot the enormous front pike

[foggy torrent]

It's like a badger, you avoid it unless it's easy to take down, if it's hull down or with other teammates shoot something else

You have to make something in it's element come out, only way to do that is to ignore it

[thorn shale]

T22 is rarely able to get into a perfect hulldown position because the gun depression sucks and the turret so far toward that you are limited in your hulldown abilties

[foggy torrent]

Lmao that isn't his best tier 10

Bruh I don't even have it

[atomic tartan]

that's cuz T-22 is like TJ's most recent new tier 10

[elder heart]

I don’t have problems with hulldown on 140/62 then why would I have problems with that on t22 which has better turret armor @thorn shale

[atomic tartan]

this guy spammed 2500 battles a month last summer, and 20k in 2 years before that

you would expect his more recent tanks to be better, yes?

[elder heart]

Recompensing gun depression is one of the basic things in that game

[atomic tartan]

if you really think letting people run around in tournaments driving tanks they've never played before would do them any favors outside of joyrides, i can't fix that

@elder heart well, so is not having to ask what to do when facing a tank you can't pen hull down? why don't you go educate your buddy Ventnom on how to play the game

[thorn shale]

@elder heart 140 armor sucks hulldown and 62A has same problem as t22 when hulldown, it often has to overexpose to get shots off

[elder heart]

No I don’t have that problems on 62

[foggy torrent]

Weren't all meds nerfed in 1 form or another in the 3.# ipdates

[grim shadow]

Wasn’t that just pen that was nerfed

[foggy torrent]

Idk wasn't there

[elder heart]

Which also means that on t22 I’ll be even better, cuz of OP turret armor (turret armor is one of the crucial things in blitz, cuz of hitboxes). Also it has OP sidescrap characters

[grim shadow]

I know they had nerfed the pen of all the meds from like 268mm to different amts. Not sure if they nerfed other aspects of the meds in the same update

[elder heart]

What I’m saying that that during the CW T22 is better in every aspect.
1.During the positional game it’s lost against T22 cuz of better armor characters. You’ve never played in CW against good clans such as raid alright? @thorn shale. Maybe in random I’d win against T22 player but in CWs... I’m so lucky that I’m not playing meds
2. During the pushes t22 has also advantages bcuz of randomly + good armor. Random armour means that u can get a Bounce form nowhere.
3. At the last minutes it also has advantages. U don’t pen = u lose. Every shot is counted

[faint scaffold]

Ventnom#6325 was muted

[median mason]

Rest in rip

[graceful jetty]

Wonder what would happen if he had the mute button in tournaments as well

Lucky its not there so he has to tell people to be quiet and hope they listen instead

[wicked snow]

.

[atomic tartan]

What I’m saying is that that during the CW IS-4 is better in every aspect. 1.During the positional game Mk6 is lost against IS-4 cuz of better armor characters. You’ve never gone to Twister against good clans such as raid alright? @elder heart Maybe in random I’d win against IS-4 player but in CWs... I’n so lucky I’m not playing heavies

Where’s your essay about the Mk6 being so bad and the IS-4 is too good?

[pallid raven]

Is7 is better than the is4

[atomic tartan]

Or, perhaps, just maybe, some tanks are simply better at CW than others. Huh thats’s interesting its almost like literally everyone in here would know that

[thorn shale]

Is4 is the Best heavy

[wicked snow]

@atomic tartan he beat raid in prof tourney " alright"

[green orchid]

And also LGN in the 2018 prof tourney 'alright'

[wicked snow]

He qualified for mm but didnt go coz not old enough

[atomic tartan]

Idk i copy pasted him and changed it to relevant examples ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked snow]

Dont get me wrong im not saying u r completely wrong , just the last part about offlines doesnt make sense . ..

[atomic tartan]

my point still stands regardless.

[wicked snow]

not even close buddy t22 will smash any other medium or heavy regardless

[atomic tartan]

opposition driven by a bot or a suckup, sure

[wicked snow]

Is4 is not as strong as a t22 , if we use that as an example then Maus is the best Cw tank ever

[atomic tartan]

i didn't compare is-4 to a t22.

[green orchid]

Pick e5 over t22

[atomic tartan]

i compared is-4 to the mk6 to prove some tanks are better at comp than others. i used that example cuz it works perfectly when i copy paste romka

[wicked snow]

Just saying it ,i know some tanks r balanced but get picked up more in Cws because they r more suitabl , But here t22 is just better in every aspect even in randoms or cw ,

[atomic tartan]

it's not better in every aspect even in randoms or cw. the tank has its advantages and disadvantages like every other tank

[atomic tartan]

i think that's been 30 seconds by now....

[wicked snow]

Disadvantages , go ahead

[atomic tartan]

oh it will be my pleasure

[green plover]

Can’t we all just accept every tank has a role to play in comp? Most of the tanks dominate in certain areas and other tanks in other areas

[wicked snow]

You mean 100 less dpm than 140 and 0,02 less accuracy r enough to back up the crazy armor ?

[mental yarrow]

Don't forget the power to weight ratio, that's the go to

[atomic tartan]

how about the worst power to weight ratio out of all tier 10 mediums?

[wicked snow]

How does that compensate for the armor buddy?

[atomic tartan]

it is armor. it is slow. compensation? yes?

[wicked snow]

55km/h

Accélération might be a bit slower , But once its there , Gl fighting it , and with its speed it can relocate just....

[atomic tartan]

low power to weight generally results in decent top speeds...for some reason. E 75 vs Conqueror.

[wicked snow]

So thats even an advantage

[atomic tartan]

what?

[wicked snow]

Did u just see how fast t22 is , the traverse and everything , for such an armor profile

[atomic tartan]

since when does having a decent top speed with bad acceleration equal an advantage? how about good acceleration with a bad top speed? you must've really liked the old 4202 then

[wicked snow]

Jeez , Dude u dont get it do u , u cant have that type of armor in a medium , a mobile tank thats more armored than an is7 with crazy dpm and that king of turreg armor... , 140 isnt even remotely close to it

Shooting tracks= no dmg also because its " V shaped " , and side is impossible to pen

[atomic tartan]

except its not more armored than an is-7, it's not the king of turret armor, the dpm is not exceptional, and the 140, with one and a half times better p/w, serves a different purpose

[wicked snow]

Serves a different purpose ?
Have u ever made Cw strats or led ?

[atomic tartan]

ok this game gives you hitskins. why would you ever shoot the side knowing the V hull exists when the pike nose is a weakspot you can pen with tier 7 gold right there

@green plover when was the last time you had TJ and Apt in their T-22s completely replacing all 140s on the map?

[wicked snow]

@atomic tartan i hope we meet on twister , or my comrades ra1d meet u so u understand what im speaking about) pointless argument

Comparing armor to power to weight ratio in balance , funniest argument i've seen so far

[atomic tartan]

i could say the same for your buddy(?) that brought up T-22 vs 113 getting HE in the back of the turret by a Jageru

[wicked snow]

I brought up 113?

[atomic tartan]

i said your buddy. you pals with Ventnom?

[wicked snow]

Ye ,speak with him , im backing my t22 statement only

[atomic tartan]

and you think comparing mobility to armor is a funnier argument than t-22 to 113? i think that says more about you than any of the tanks

[wicked snow]

Yo buddy , power to weight ratio for an impossible to pen tank , give me that i'll take it any day

[atomic tartan]

Buddy if this is your impossible to pen tank, make my day every day.

[wicked snow]

one weak spot if turns like a bot , wiggle and Gl hitting , thats just an example , compare that to other mediums

[atomic tartan]

turn it, the entire upper plate is a weakspot. turn it more, the other plate is a weakspot. i don't see what's so impossible about this

[wicked snow]

Once it gets into position , which it can do really quickly it will rape any medium u have , Because of the turret armor , and the dpm , And if u wanna bring the small speed différence , Buddy Cw isnt hide and seek

[green plover]

Only reason I use 140 is for speed but to hold down certain areas I’d rather have a t22 since it’s turret resembles that of the t62A pre nerf to turret

[wicked snow]

moe just be honest ✌

[atomic tartan]

exactly. speed. which p/w is a part of.

[wicked snow]

Alright , my tank has less view range , so it should have 4K dpm and Maus armor guys, its called balance guys

[green plover]

I’ve seen enough t22 though especially on maps that require rotations and t22 does a very good job at rushing in taking hits, bouncing a lot vs other mediums and some heavies things which 140 and 62a don’t do very well against

[atomic tartan]

um, idk what tank you're talking about there but it definitely isn't an example of T-22

what it is an example of, however, is people completely exaggerating the T-22's aspects to ridiculous proportions

wait are you talking about the Badger. cuz that thing isn't even replacing the E3 lol

[wicked snow]

Pen a sidescrapping t22 then tell me im exagerating

[atomic tartan]

well yea its sidescraping. an E 50 M can do it too

[green plover]

The gun is whatever nothing exciting, the speed is alright, but put together with the armor now it’s better than pretty much every tank you see in comp

[wicked snow]

Badger vs e3 LOL , u killed me lmao

Gun is same as 140's with 100 less dpm ( 0,1s more reload ) and 0,02 less accurate @green plover

[green plover]

That’s why I said nothing exciting

[atomic tartan]

you forgot the gun handling too. which is actually enough to matter

[green plover]

The point being is you aren’t going to be playing t22 for sniping, you usually play it in an aggressive manner.

[wicked snow]

Alright we comparing e50m to t22? T22 wins any day , even at 45° u still cant pen it , and check in training room with TJ

Check the armor pls 🙏

Its hard to understand it from this screenshot , but easier if u try it in a training room

[atomic tartan]

its possible to sidescrape in both and not take damage. that is not exceptional to the T-22

[wicked snow]

Load heat and ur e50m wont stand a chance , even at a dead angle , whereas t22 can do it like easy ,
Not to mention u can pen e50m on the turret even more easily

Which is what i do when someone is sidescrapping , but u cant do that against a t22

U know whats even funnier ? U cant HE his back with a 268 😑 , the only medium that cant be HE ed on the back , and even e50m can be... But ofc thats just another thing about it

[steep prawn]

@atomic tartan are u actually saying that the T22 is balanced ? XDDDD

Please go play vs raid and their 3 T22s spam, then come talk

[atomic tartan]

sure, but please understand the difference between talking and crying about a tank being op cuz you lost before we begin

[wicked snow]

Says dude from na

[steep prawn]

The thing is T22 is OP

[wicked snow]

Wasted half an hour to explain him , He just doesnt get it , @steep prawn Lets see why TJ took t22 on the tourney even tho he has o
140 , and took 140 0 times

[steep prawn]

You must dont have good examples on NA server to not realize that^^

[thorn shale]

@wicked snow hey hey don’t involve me in this

[wicked snow]

He doesnt want to argue , he just wants to say no @steep prawn

[atomic tartan]

@wicked snow so who are you supposed to be again?

[wicked snow]

@thorn shale im explaining this guy T22 is better than 140 , but he says , no it has bad power to weight ratio so its balanced

[thorn shale]

T22 is better in everything except speed and gun handling

[atomic tartan]

maybe it's better. maybe it's not. like literally every other tank, it has advantages and disadvantages. simple

[wicked snow]

Do u really think the speed différence makes up for the armor ? @thorn shale

[thorn shale]

I think this conversation is reaching the limits of its usefulness

@wicked snow I would say T22 is better than 140 for CW 9/10 times

[wicked snow]

🙏

[thorn shale]

Only thing is that the T22 is definitely slower at rotating, so sometimes Papa @green plover would prefer to use 140, but it was fairly rare

[steep prawn]

@atomic tartan Yea that's the point for every tanks IG, but when it comes to T22 whos better than the 140 (which is supposed to be the Free2Play version) in almost every aspect then its not balanced.

[wicked snow]

@atomic tartan mate also i dont know u , im arguing about t22 not to be against u but just for WG to understand that t22 is a bit op if u see what i mean

[atomic tartan]

and the is-4 is better than the is-7 for cw 9/10 times. yes thank you TJ. perfectly illustrating that some tanks are better than others in certain things

[green plover]

@steep prawn past your bed time

[wicked snow]

U were on the opposition so i just gave arguments , Just to back my statement and it really isnt personal or anything @atomic tartan

[thorn shale]

Can we all agree to disagree about the T22? And can we all agree that it’s time for RG to go to sleep?

💤 @wicked snow

[wicked snow]

Just to make sure we cool 🙏 @atomic tartan

[atomic tartan]

@wicked snow yea we cool.

[green plover]

@wicked snow everything is good

[wicked snow]

@thorn shale i have to do that weird wg event , Royal hunt or something anyways xd,but thanks to take part in the discussion , However i really just want WG to understand it , i rly dont target anyone else but the wg staff

[thorn shale]

😂👌

[green plover]

“I rly don’t target anyone else but the WG staff” 😂

[wicked snow]

@green plover keeping it for the offline 😉

[thorn shale]

🔨

[steep prawn]

T22 cant stay like this, either they ban it from major tournament or either they nerf it, but now its just pointless like you can take 2 good players, one in 140 and one in T22, the T22 will win everytime, and this is becoming to be pay2win, If this isnt already the case^^

[thorn shale]

Ok time for T22 discussion to end

[wicked snow]

Lmao TJ no t22 in twister 😂😂😂 wasted his money

[thorn shale]

👏 No 👏 More 👏 T22 👏 Discussion 👏

[green plover]

They said they won’t nerf it already @steep prawn they’d rather sell it in stores and make money.

[thorn shale]

Or I 🔨🔨🔨

[atomic tartan]

its ok he can still use his e6 that he dumped hundreds on

[thorn shale]

#offtopic

[wicked snow]

I actually forgot u were a mod. .......

[thorn shale]

IKR 👀

Ok now #off-topic-discussion

[steep prawn]

@green plover its à collector tank, not premium tank so technically, they can if they want/need to^^

[wicked snow]

_ runs _ mod triggered _ , But Real question tho , can u give us veteran role

[faint scaffold]

RG SNEK- [EG-]#2125 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

🔨

[wicked snow]

xD

[silver vapor]

Balance issues aside, we can all safely say that these collector tanks offer different roles and most of the others can't afford to buy them, and this will provide teams with more strategic choices, thus basically qualify for "paying to get more strategic choices" and I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that more strategic choices means a lot in tournaments

[elder heart]

@atomic tartan well u are comparing is4 with is7. I’d agree some tanks are better than others. And now imagine that is4 is a premium/collector tank and we all are forced to play HT like is7/113 (these tanks have almost the same missions in cws). We feel almost the same with t22.

[fathom tiger]

Secret wish for wg, make cw tech tree tanks only. Possible advantages bought with money should not be part of esports. Not just t22, but every single one collector/premium before and after t22.

[cunning nebula]

This ^

[tired salmon]

I think it was way too expensive to nerv it in general but it should really get banned from pro tournament.

[gentle sierra]

Why ban it its balanced , it has disadvantages duh

[analog osprey]

Ntm t22

[dreamy adder]

wargaming will never ban a tank which made them win a lot of money

[silver vapor]

#tourneys-team-search @thorn shale

[odd pollen]

Freands

[silver vapor]

....

[lilac hemlock]

Thank you for compensating for previous tourneys! 😊

[odd pollen]

Thank you

[glass thunder]

??

nice

[faint scaffold]

ALPTUĞ Electro#7260 has been warned.

[glass thunder]

perfect place to share this pictures

[thorn shale]

Not really

[odd pollen]

Bith how-to

[faint scaffold]

ALPTUĞ Electro#7260 has been warned.

[chilly terrace]

All prizes for the tournaments on NA region from the 1st August to the 4th August were accrued. Sorry for any inconvenience.

[vital obsidian]

Some players did not get creds from yesterday bronze(eu)

[chilly terrace]

@vital obsidian Could you provide any nicknames? As I can see all prizes were given out

[latent pulsar]

Will you be working for ASIA side as well?

[chilly terrace]

@latent pulsar Could you explain what you mean?

[latent pulsar]

I'm not sure if you are referring to same issue. I played a tournament like last Saturday if I'm not wrong, quick tournament tier x but have yet to receive payouts I think. Also a few people were complaining through the weekend so I thought it was a widespread issue. Thank you

[chilly terrace]

@latent pulsar What is your nickname and what is the number of tournament?

[latent pulsar]

Would you like me to PM you the screenshot?

[chilly terrace]

@latent pulsar By the way, if you don't play any actual battle, you don't receive any rewards.

@latent pulsar I'm OK with that

[silver vapor]

PMs 🤔

that reminds me about my PMs towards wg staff being ignored/ forgotten

[thorn shale]

@analog osprey

[vital obsidian]

@chilly terrace adamcsato12345

[analog osprey]

@thorn shale yes?

[silver vapor]

I like this pointless tagger is still living and kicking around

[thorn shale]

lol

[faint scaffold]

Daniel271992#7079 was muted

[steep prawn]

@analog osprey he got muted mdrrr

[slim token]

@chilly terrace I do not think I received all prizing from the August 1-4th tournaments. I received 70,xxx credits and it should have been at least 2 million I think.

[arctic axle]

@slim token no. The 1mil+ prize you won from the tournament is SPLIT among the team. Therefore meaning you get an equal share of that prize you won depending on the stage you finished.

[slim token]

@chilly terrace just received the rest. I wasn't patient enough!
@arctic axle the prize for 1st place just for Saturday was 9,408,000....

[arctic axle]

Oh, didn't realize it was that much. My mistake

[thorn shale]

FC

[faint scaffold]

Nightangel [G-R]#4606 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

And why are you whining about ratings in #tourneys-discussion ?

Take it to #rating-battles

[reef jungle]

lol

[analog osprey]

@steep prawn xD why

[wild light]

Where will the twister qualifiers begin?

[wicked snow]

Probably around september @wild light

[winged saffron]

Can I get a T-22 for my waiting time on rewards? 👌

[wild light]

Thanks

[chilly terrace]

@vital obsidian He received everything. Accrual of prizes can take some time even up to a couple of days.

@wild light We have not announced it yet.

[vital obsidian]

Ah ok tx he had some wifi crash that might been the reason

[thorn shale]

Hy

[azure pecan]

Why is that so long to release twister informations jeez

We should known dates 1month before, not 1.5week before

[thorn shale]

@azure pond English please

[silver vapor]

@azure pecan because we are talking about wargaming, duh

[azure pecan]

Ah

[chilly terrace]

@azure pecan lack of announcement doesn't interfere with preparation to season, do it? Approximate dates have not been changing for years.

[green plover]

It’s been running the same way for every major tournament lol nothing has changed

[azure pecan]

Yeah it have been almost same for all years. Maybe it changes ??

[green plover]

Why should it change? There’s nothing wrong with the way it is. Builds up hype and suspense and if you’ve played previous major tournaments you almost precisely know when the tournament is going to be.

[azure pecan]

It doesn’t change the fact that official dates of most important and most waited event in esport of blitz, are announced maximum 2weeks and that’s really late. The twister hasn’t only great points and some of them should be reworked. Would be great to know if there are changes more than 2weeks before it so we can adjust

The group system formation in 2nd stage of qualifiers is 100% based on win rate and not even on number of battles with it. That a point that made a lot of noise last year. Like the fact that the final of qualifier is only bo3, and should be bo5 for two big reasons.

Also maybe I’m wrong, but in blitz turns 5´s stream, knopka seems to have said that there will be changes this year.

[green plover]

Now you’re thinking correctly, instead of asking to change release information date you bring up a good thing. I also agree WG should rework the stages of the qualifiers when we played it didn’t seem correct either that it was best of 3 for a finals. Hopefully they changed it this year.

[tranquil seal]

• rework offline stage. Last year was disappointing. We got to see people travelling all across the globe to play a couple of games. BO3 sucks in online finals, i'm not going to say what it is in offline competition

[chilly terrace]

Qualifiers will be different this year. But you can see details only when we announce them.

[azure pecan]

Well, guys are not forced to come to twister, and I guess that travel cost is paid by WG

Okey @chilly terrace thanks a lot

[crisp shore]

It would be much better to know which dates the professional tours (the top 8) are held. I forgot about last year though but that would mean planning ahead of joining which extracurricular activities during the autumn period.

[tranquil seal]

You know what i meant Hugo

[green plover]

You are right. @tranquil seal twister cup is the biggest tournament of the year and definitely deserves to be more than 1 day total for game time, in my opinion games should definitely be bo7 or so on and be double elimination with all the teams that go a battle vs each other instead of making 2 groups with 3 teams to face each other.

[azure pecan]

Yeah

[tranquil seal]

I mean it has more views on youtube than Wot pc main tournament...

[azure pecan]

Yeah it should be bo7 sure at least.
But no more than 1 day is good. Otherwise guys can’t come due to school

[crisp shore]

I think 2 days is better. Despite a pretty condensed offline finals, it is still long and exhausting, and would mean some teams won't just come and play 4 matches only.

[tranquil seal]

Just make them play eachothers at least once. And for once I mean minimum bo5

[vital obsidian]

Think positive it might be an offline this year

[acoustic bay]

Make tier 1 tournaments😂😂😂

[harsh ember]

Only if they give us the old tier 1s

[winged saffron]

Heck yes brethren

[bright crater]

agreed (bring back medium 1!)

[winter swallow]

@fathom tiger I did.

In rough summary, it was 3:1 in favour of the T22 being excluded from tournament play and about 2:1 in favour of banning premium vehicles from Tier X tournaments.

Sample size was approximately 160 respondents from my server (so highly likely to be active CW players).

[thorn shale]

+1

[pallid raven]

Ban premium tanks which have been sold from crate or sold where there is a small chance to get the tank

[vagrant phoenix]

you either ban all or ban none, there shouldnt be an in between 😂 because that either means there's an issue with balance or the price point of the tank is really high or low

[thorn shale]

I want to go to the tournament

[tranquil seal]

Let's go then 💪 😁

[green plover]

There is literally no point in further complaining about the t22’s removal from comp as well as other premium/collectors. WG have already said it will not be nerfed/buffed and it will be sold sometime soon, still available to participate in tournaments.

Only way I see any possible way of change is if a bunch of people riot in front of WG headquarters telling WG that they need to ban it from comp or nerf armor, whichever one it is. This is very unlikely to happen though because it’s very extreme and sounds funny if it ever did happen I wonder who would show up 😂.

[latent pulsar]

There is no reason to remove in Wargaming's stance. Premiums are all balanced the same as tech tree tanks.

[gentle sierra]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[thorn shale]

Well, I lose at the recent quick VI-VIII tourney..TEAM SOVIET UNION

[atomic tartan]

@green plover we can move WG headquarters to Area 51 then wait for September 20th

[green plover]

😂

#tourneys-team-search

[faint scaffold]

VLAD2019_iron#5612 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

🎯

[idle basalt]

I totally agree,i can really relate man.

[faint scaffold]

niki3#6768 has been warned.

[eternal breach]

wait can anyone explain tournament bracketing now? why are three different gold brackets with the 4 best facing each other, the 3 middle , and the 2 worst?

[keen fjord]

How to get a free tank???

[fathom tiger]

Complete events

[median mason]

Wise 3lmeri

[silver vapor]

or tier 1 tanks from tech tree. they're completely free

[azure pecan]

@eternal breach its still same since 1year

Groups by wr

[pallid raven]

It's the best team decided by the top 7 winrate players average

[faint scaffold]

Arty_spakkaculi_3000#3212 has been warned.

domedestroyer11#4850 has been warned.

[vital obsidian]

Gg more rerolls with one X and wr 70 👍

Hmm should I soon change my nick I think 90 days has soon passed 🤔

Hope next big tour has a bit better rewards for the runner ups 👀

Maybe a permanent avatar this time 🤔

[green plover]

Pro tourney top 8 teams got the pro avatar @vital obsidian I think the top 8 did so at least and they are permanent

[silver vapor]

imagine from this season onwards they gib temporary Pro Avatar 🤣

[green plover]

I doubt it. The avatar for twister top 8 teams will probably just say “Twister 19” and be permanent unless they make the avatar for the top 4 teams.

[vital obsidian]

The acent top 8 got 90 days 😡

Its for us noobs 😡

[green plover]

Lol

Try hard and you’ll be up at the top too.

[vital obsidian]

Ooo and get a permanent avatar mby 💕👍

Or 100 day avatar ?

[green plover]

@vital obsidian lol I’m sure IMMOR isn’t that “noob” to not get top 8 for twister eu

[glass thunder]

How to get 2 tanks from tournaments?

@vital obsidian why need one rerolle with 70 wr and one tier tank when you can make new account play 1 battle win it after buy chieftain with gold and have 100 %

[azure pecan]

Ez

[green plover]

Smart guy

[wicked snow]

@vital obsidian u dont want that avatar believe me , u will just get focused

I was playing and one guy said , Oh focus pro avatar , since then i never put it back on 😂😂😂

[timber grotto]

Why bother with 40%ers when you can kill a pro instead 😉

[atomic tartan]

Because if that is the first game they play that day, then said pro will unload all 5 downvotes then dip and play an alt.

So if you do it badly enough, you may end up in a match again with said pro without knowing it, until you get murked out of nowhere by a pro who has nothing to lose in focusing everything on simply hunting you down.

[flat goblet]

I don’t think anyone does that

[winged saffron]

Time to reroll, get a Chieftain, and have 100% win rate lol

With 9 accounts to get OP bracketing of course

[winged saffron]

RvR tournament OP

[toxic lintel]

In my case I already get tunneled really hard with or without pro avatar. I just embrace it and wear the focus me harder avatar and challenge them yoloes @wicked snow

[chilly terrace]

@eternal breach There is "Groups of Death" seeding in Gold Series tournaments. It means that strongest teams face each other in the frames of one group. We use this type of seeding that teams can train in this tournaments before the season.

[graceful jetty]

Actually doing something right

[gentle sierra]

Hope that wont be the way for the twister groups

[silver vapor]

Twister Groups should definitely be strongest vs weakest principle

[gentle sierra]

inb4 its changed

[fringe galleon]

Reroll and get easier group

[agile depot]

R.I.P i create this Account only for this system lol

[silver vapor]

i mean, if it's changed to groups of death, the top 8 would be a lot easier :>, hopefully

[gentle sierra]

And u will have worse teams in the top 8

[graceful jetty]

Hahaha nah it should definitely be groups of death for twister. Rerolls will get penalised 😂

[silver vapor]

jajajajaja

[pallid raven]

I assume it will be best of 3 again, which is understandable, but I think it should be best of 5

[silver vapor]

nothings announced yet

[pallid raven]

Also I like the idea of having a best of 7 or 9 tournament. Eg every team is matched up against an equal opponent (some how) and they play up to 7 or 9 games against each other.

Tho it's basically just training, but with rewards

[gentle sierra]

+1

[tranquil seal]

1. Move to Asia
2. Create new account
3. Get mk6
4. Ez clap

[gentle sierra]

Top8 🥖

[silver vapor]

@tranquil seal tell me when you get into top 8 in Asia

[azure pecan]

Just need 58% lmao (jk)

[silver vapor]

would love to throw a party for ya to congratulate 😃

[azure pecan]

You think that na is as hard as EU ?

Not an offensive question at all

[silver vapor]

I am not sure about the difficulty as in tournament teams being good or bad, but I'm pretty sure in order to gather a group of talented players in different server with different population density and different mindsets is difficult

[lucid viper]

theyd struggle to deal with the aggresiveness of asian teams

[silver vapor]

and I envy the clans and teams that have the ability to assemble such teams and step into such heights.

[azure pecan]

As well maybe I’m wrong but I think that the number of good CW teams in EU is really really higher than the number on NA server. Doesn’t change the fact that the best teams of na are probably similar to best EU ones

[tranquil seal]

@silver vapor big oof
I would probably not even reach top 20 😂
Was a bad joke I'm sorry don't take it seriously

But you're right that's a major setback
Trust me I can feel you
It's a couple of years we're trying to set up a 100% italian touch team but it's impossible for the same reasons you mentioned

[gentle sierra]

U just need progettos and ez clap @tranquil seal

[wicked snow]

For Twister its always been weakest vs strongest in each group , in order to get the best teams on the top8 , However , its true that they use win rate to evaluate the team's performance, but Groups usually get changed because some teams have a high win rate ,but Cw wise r average , and WG know which teams have decent Cw performance , for example RA1D dont have best stats compared to some teams , But they r the best in Cw rn , so they get a better group than a 70% team

[chilly hemlock]

So that’s how twister 3 brackets were decided🤔

[silver vapor]

twister 4?

[vital obsidian]

Handmade?

[naive meadow]

For example UN1 have a nice wr avrg with the main team for twister, but the performance its not that good compared to other clans like eg-, e-v-o or ra1d

[eternal breach]

Yeah I think groups of death is unfair. That just rewards teams for being mediocre

[minor slate]

how late is the tournament

[faint scaffold]

Romka7777#5132 has been warned.

[winged saffron]

We made it to tour 4 running nothing but this, then did RvR in tour 4

Last night

[tender abyss]

Lol

[devout moat]

Dámn.

[silver vapor]

noice

[analog osprey]

UN1 is rly good now @naive meadow bot

[naive meadow]

Lmao I just say facts

[thorn shale]

Us Muppets won our bracket last year in Twister. But bad timing left our Team short of members- sick- injuries for finales :( Mid bracket 'ALL WITH 200 ping.

No rolos in us

Just a bunch of Aussie grinder Battlers

[wicked snow]

try again , this time with actual sentences

[tranquil seal]

@wicked snow 😂 🤣

[chilly hemlock]

@wicked snow I would like to know their esport “injuries”

[peak vortex]

😂

[silver vapor]

l o l

[patent quartz]

will there be an improvment with the "Big tournaments" matchmaking?

regardless of team's winrate

[wicked snow]

I think hé tried to Snap shoot someone and broke his finger or something

[dreamy adder]

he went to the gym in order to muscle his fingers & it went wrong

[glass thunder]

🤦 make a league system with 20 teams will be better

[silver vapor]

a "league" system would involve so many unnecessary teams and unnecessarily long season, we all love fast and big games rite

[crisp shore]

I see someone is a Premier League fan 🤔

[topaz charm]

I wish we had T3 tournaments so I could play with UE57 =(

[thorn shale]

I wish we had T7 T9 and T5 tournaments so ppl would stop spamming super easy teams of all t9s 7s and 5s

[vagrant phoenix]

Lol what

[arctic axle]

I am confused as well

[low badger]

Imo the current system is fine- its not like wg can do much besides getting the best teams in top 4 anyways

Which happened consistently across all the servers besides a few upsets in top 8 and in quals.

I don't recall many occasions where a team didn't deserve to be in top 8

[eternal breach]

WG and releasing an update 10 minutes before a tournament, name a better combo

[vagrant phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542909730658451467/610990623931236363/Screenshot_2019-08-13-17-18-03.png
Still not out for me yet

[slim token]

yeah, only 1 of our 9 signed up can get in game right now

[minor sierra]

Update?

[slim token]

update isn't out yet 😦 but can't log in

[minor sierra]

me too. WHy do you they do that 15 mins before the tournament

[slim token]

our one guy in game can't join the room. It does nothing when he clicks the button

so it looks like no one is playing at least

and our one guy received two "missed a tournament battle" complaints 😂

[wanton cape]

I got three missed tournament battle complaints

This is not the first time that WoT doing this stupid updates during the tournament time and waste everyone's time.

I am going to give one star review for this game right nowl

New players should know about this kind of treatment from this company.

[silver vapor]

I guess wargaming need to do something about this. everytime the game updates NA gets hit because their tournaments seems to be at the same time as maintenance ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly hemlock]

Servers come online around 8 pm est or so every time

Tournaments start at 9 pm

Too narrow a window

[silver vapor]

yeah definitely, especially considering iOS's slow update times

definitely not the best idea to only allow 1 hour of window only.

[chilly hemlock]

Tuesday’s are almost always throw away tournaments though

[silver vapor]

at least's it's not QT tho

[chilly terrace]

Silver Ticket was accrued for each participant of Bronze Series tournament on NA server as compensation.

[tribal scroll]

Have people received the ticket yet for the wrecked tournament last night?

I have not - just checking

[minor sierra]

not me

[gritty sentinel]

Hello

[wicked snow]

U will get it eventually

[thorn shale]

Hi @ll

[thorn shale]

@chilly terrace Is New Bay one of the maps for Twister Cup?

[timber grotto]

@thorn shale twister hasn't even been confirmed yet 😂

[thorn shale]

Lol it is confirmed.

[charred eagle]

idk'

[faint scaffold]

_iRaik_Is_My_Pony_#4850 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

@timber grotto Twister has been confirmed by WG on livestream and furthermore by the massive Twister banner inside the new garage 😃

[glacial chasm]

Too bad they refuse to remove the 3 complaints for "missing tournaments" on everyone's military honor

[green plover]

You probably shouldn’t act like you don’t know what you were trying to do. You were trying to get a reaction out of him for a not so good twister experience.

[analog osprey]

👀

[thorn shale]

@timber grotto if you disagree with a mod decision, DM the mod. Discussing mod actions here is a violations of the #rules.

[eternal breach]

we didnt get the compensation @chilly terrace

[chilly terrace]

@tribal scroll @eternal breach Compensation will be delivered soon.

@thorn shale You should wait an announcement of regulations.

[thorn shale]

@chilly terrace It would be a lot cooler if you did. Teams have to develope strats and train them before the twister cup. So this information would be very usefull…

[thorn shale]

Please tell us the truth 😥

[crisp shore]

More importantly real-life activities not to join in light of the tournament schedule, especially when school starts very soon

[silver vapor]

Wg: we don't like announcing stuff ahead of time
Also wg: why is our comp activity dropping

[dim pivot]

Imagine maps being added to twister map pool that weren't in off season or spring season

If it happens, it wud do me a big sad

[silver vapor]

den git gud and learn how to play on those maps

[dim pivot]

Berhaps

[crisp shore]

FAUST

[thorn shale]

Im bored

[dim pivot]

rumours about t22 crates coming

F2p comp players : chuckles
I m in danger

[silver vapor]

also wg: why is our comp size shrinking

[mental yarrow]

There are two different rooms up for the tourney, I'm in one with two other team mates and the other 5 of my team mates are in the other room

[daring dune]

And we got a report with the reason miss the tournament

[thorn shale]

smfh ikr

[silver vapor]

ebic

[dim pivot]

When u r so good, wg set u up with two teams at same time

[silver vapor]

the ultimate challenge: "find the correct room"

[thorn shale]

i want a t22 as compensation

[chilly terrace]

@mental yarrow What's your nickname? It's ASIA, right?

[mental yarrow]

PixeiRage
The first two matches (canal) were forfeit and then the two rooms got combined on the last match so it was basically a Bo1

[thorn shale]

we also can't see who our next opponent is btw

[mental yarrow]

and yes, I'm on Asia

But the scores haven't been updated and we haven't been moved up in the bracket, scores just say - - on them where other teams have actual scores

[silver vapor]

this is what happens when WG MM tries to eliminate 1 of the 2 FEAST team before semi-finals

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341472911149760527/611506507242274816/image0.png?width=893&height=670

[chilly terrace]

Your matches will be rescheduled

[daring dune]

it still shows no result

[silver vapor]

inb4 same thing happens (full on jinxing)

[mental yarrow]

👌 matches got rescheduled
Cheers rexy

[chilly terrace]

You also should been received notification in the game client

[silver vapor]

what notification

[chilly terrace]

@silver vapor Which says that matches were moved.

[dim pivot]

I remember asking a while back when wg wud balance dead rail

Aaaaannndddd now its coming back in comp

[vital obsidian]

@chilly terrace need info about the seeding system of the ”prepare for the season” tournament.

Will there be changes to the wr based seeding system with 7/9 highest wr counted, regardless of tier, dmg or battle count. Or is there better system introduced.

And what is the difference between seeding system ”normalized” and ”group of death”

[silver vapor]

normalized = strongest vs weakest
group of death = strongest vs strongest, weakest vs weakest

[chilly terrace]

@vital obsidian Like @silver vapor wrote:
normalized = strongest vs weakest
group of death = strongest vs strongest, weakest vs weakest
System of seeding won't be changed in near further.

[vital obsidian]

Meaning wr based on 10 battles in a tier3 continue to count in Twister ? Go rerolls go 😔

[silver vapor]

well it provides me a direction to how I should pad for the season :>

[vital obsidian]

Make a reroll

Buy chieftan, op !

[frigid aurora]

Hey I have a very funny and interesting question. For entire playersbase and WG Staff in patricular. U do realize its not fun when the game is being bent over right before tournaments? I'll explain. In 6.2 we have a broken foch - new yolowagon that will be the basement for the new meta along with 4005 and progetto in the nearby future. Useless consumables for 215b "just to be". Unbalanced map where there is such broken amount of levels near A that simply driving around and learning the map will give a feeling of disorientation, cus u will have no clue where u are and whats even going on around. What i really don't understand is why the teams/clans are preparing their best strats to compete, to make a show, when u change everything and frustrate professional players with ur decisions. Now that we have this useless map to be put in future in the TC grand finals because thats what always happened with new maps such as alpenstadt, faust and normandy, with crazy dpm armored yolowagons driving around, with 4005 broken clip shootouts and with STBs driving with their unpennable turrets. Same crazy changes right before a big tournament. Just remember the autoaim change right before TC2018 offlines where teams barely could shoot or hit anything while training against each other, and luckily u came in time with a micropatch giving players an option to choose the aim otherwise it would have been madness. And now literally the same - just bending over, no other way to call it.

Maybe u haven't had a clue until this moment but I'll tell u something. Servers meta existed for years. And every time u introduce something it mainly affects the playstyles of all regions. With these foches, with STB buff and with maps like New Bay where medium playstyle will dominate over anyone and everything u destroyed the strategies of any other region apart from RU maybe that competitive teams have been preparing for YOUR Twister Cup for the previous year. This is not fun, and changes like this are "stunning" for the main audience of the game. if u want to rip game's esports scene then ur heading in a correct direction.

[vital obsidian]

Well sais Whoop like always

[silver vapor]

oof, but so true

[chilly terrace]

@frigid aurora

1. Meta changes from to time. It's normal process, some tanks are buffed, some tanks are nerfed. Ideal balance was possible if there would be only one tank in the game. We always watching for statistic and do changes based on it. There is enough time before the season to correct your tactics based on current meta.
2. You don't know the regulations of upcoming season and upcoming offline tournament, so how you can judge it?

[silver vapor]

I think it's not about the regulations anymore. it's simply the issue of balance and how it affects meta. this 6.2 balance especially on Foch has a bigger impact than everyone had thought

[hollow bolt]

@chilly terrace there are good meta changes and there are bad meta changes. Good changes are slight, and benefit enitre classes. Bad changes happen when you give stupid consumables or stupid guns to already balenced tanks. You cannot expect to have a good tournament when you have 3 or 4 OP tanks

[chilly terrace]

As I said before we are watching for statistic. If these tanks really OP, we will make necessary changes.

[frigid aurora]

I'm not saying that I don't know how meta changes. I've played for 4 years straight including 3 twister cups and 2 professional tournaments, and in all of them finished top 1-2, i know how it works and how people change strats when some vehicles are being nerfed or buffed or when some map are reworked and moreover - i know the approximate amount of time required to adapt to the current meta. I'm saying that u can't do that right before a big tournament like this, especially such huge changes. Those new consumables changed all possible timings and micromoments of the game. if before u could cross here - now know that with the reload boost the 4005 for example will just annihilate u on the crossing. u couldn't get to this position fast enough with a heavy or a td well hey the new upgraded speebost allows u so. but that's not as important, let's move to tank changes. u do realize that STB became better than the Patton with its turret, and stb is more flexible than the patton? or what u did to foch - its now already more popular than 268 due to the clip, dpm, armor and rushing potential, this also makes the game flexible. EU and NA playstyles were always based on mapcontrols and following aggression, while asia had always been semi-aggressive, and ru had always been aggressive. The unique features of regions erase, the variety is gone and the regions which haven't been used to playing aggressively are now clueless. And the meta changes can't be understood, implemented and used by even top clans for a month and a half! What are we supposed to do now? Learn to play aggressive from 0? drop away all of our 1 year experience just for twister? Where is the fairness and the comfort we actually deserve? U could at least wait before making those OP changes...

[atomic tartan]

I think you’re on to something. These yolo Fochs and 4005s suit aggressive meta, which is exactly RU. WoAh

[frigid aurora]

7star and mercy already unpacking their foches and preparing to rush, haha great

[hollow bolt]

@chilly terrace how can you look at their base stats and tell me they have a chance of being balenced? Foch and 215b were good tanks...

[frigid aurora]

and regarding not being able to judge the future regulations - there are statistics that u like to collect so much. If u take all previous tournaments' map pools then u won't find there famous maps with supremacy like falls creek or black goldville, while new stuff like alpenstadt, normandy and faust were right there after release for 3 big tournaments straight - MM2018, TC2018, MM2019 @chilly terrace and whatever is gonna be at TC2019 is quite predictable even without official announces. And indeed this New Bay map is extremely weird and won't be rich in terms of strategical decisions and won't make the needed show, simply cus all strats will be based around C-B, thats already visible

Obviously i might be wrong about that, but time will show

[chilly terrace]

@hollow bolt And they became more variable. They still good, but now they have several ways to be good.

@frigid aurora Definitely will show.

[frigid aurora]

The tanks did become variable, and also became all-rounded and OP, but all other alternative tanks became nothing compared to them, and here comes the meta change. And this meta overall is totally not variable. It's not variety when people spam same tanks, it's addiction to particular tanks which are just better

[hollow bolt]

@chilly terrace they are not still good, they are stupidly OP. There is no reason to play the fochs normal gun now. The autoloader has better dpm as well as having the ability to do 1280 in 7 sec while only exposinh twice. The 4005 is a better 50b in every way, and the 50b is already a good tank. 215b was already a good tank and now it has the consumables it is OP

[limber vessel]

yuss
free xp and credits
just what i need

[green plover]

@frigid aurora they did the auto aim thing for prof tourney 2018 but everything else you said is right and I couldn’t agree more.

[vital obsidian]

the sad thing is Ru has been able to prepare long for this on test server...

[green plover]

Test server? Lol these guys play yolo rush strats all the time. They don’t need to change their play styles just their tank lineups.

[vital obsidian]

ah but you cant train new map before its relased nor new tank abilities

[thorn shale]

@chilly terrace Yes, the meta is changing from time to time. But that is a progress what normally need months (If there are no profoundly balance changes). And now you destroyed the meta 3 weeks before the tournaments with the changes what whoopzie counted. Now every competitive team has to adjust their strat to these hard balance changes to compete with other teams.

[green plover]

Nonetheless it takes just one training session to know everything for them since their play style hasn’t changed, I mean look at twister 1 and compare the way every other server plays then look back at the ru server, do you notice any change to their play style? @vital obsidian

[vital obsidian]

3-4 year ago we had med meta also

[green plover]

I know but what I’m saying is at that time everyone played mediums but then compare then to now and look at every server and you’ll see the only one to have not changed their meta is the RU server

[mild tulip]

That used to be cool

[thorn shale]

@chilly terrace And as I already suggested… You could also tell us the maps for Twister Cup. Especially if the New Bay Map will take a place in it. Teams have to prepare themselves for this. Cmon. A little answer won´t hurt you.

It´s the most important tournament in this game. And 3 weeks before we don´t even know the map pool, the most important information to prepare us.

[mild tulip]

Tbh the tournament pool should be limited to like 7-8 maps, cause now it's 17 in regular tournaments I think and thats just too much

[vital obsidian]

how do we know it is 3 weeks before? the dates are not out

[daring dune]

It's on September or Octorber

[silver vapor]

also where is yamato harbour, it's such a great map tbh

[flat goblet]

@frigid aurora spot on, exactly why I decided not to continue playing. It’s been the same way since the dawn of time. Seattle was the most meme because of the aim changes, literally like 2 days before the tourneyoffline. That fact of meta changing ‘balance’ decisions will become even more relevant with the slew of new, ridiculous consumables. Tournaments will play in such a strange way, they won’t resemble tournaments of old. Now, i’m not saying change isn’t good, but this is getting somewhat out of hand. If blitz wants to become an ability based RTS game like LoL or something like Overwatch, the consumable system needs an entire overhaul.

[atomic tartan]

Oh yea and they buffed the STB(?), megabuffed the E 50 M (gun depression allows it to play differently) and introduced the 113 the week of Seattle....lul

[thorn shale]

@frigid aurora watch them analyze the numbers and nerf the Foch and 215b AFTER Twister and definitely not before. We’ll see one team win games with Foch and 215b steamrolls and then they’ll nerf it afterwards as an “oops we overbuffed this, sorry about twister this year maybe you can hope that next year we won’t drastically overbuff another tank”

[gentle sierra]

typical

[tribal scroll]

Thank you For the ticket Rexy - one more thing with map selection for quick tournaments - how come tour 1 and 2 have been the exact same map so often lately

[pallid mason]

hello

[thorn shale]

@thorn shale T-22 sr. flashbacks intensifies

[gentle sierra]

3 days before preliminaries , oh here are some crates

[thorn shale]

There is no better date to release those crates…

Sorry, but the team with the biggest portmonnaie will win.

[vital obsidian]

T22 crates a’ 5 e with 0,5 % drop chance

[thorn shale]

5 %*

[frigid aurora]

@flat goblet im gonna quit after this twister. i simply cba with the game anymore. Maybe start some pubg gaming or something, at least there developers dont add like a minigun right before the club open tourney lmao

and @thorn shale its predictable, ikr. if u change the meta on all servers 1 month before twister which nobody could even expect, then relying on them drawing back the overpowered buffs will be even more of a disappointment. so i guess time to equip my foch with a clipper, put spall liner or whatever its called on a 4005 and rush like a medium and go tokyo drift in 215b with the new speed boost, ROLL OUT!1!

[vital obsidian]

*3 weeks

[crisp shore]

*2 weeks since the Get Ready for the Season! tournament is held next week and the preliminaries are held a few days after according to last year??? 🤔

[atomic tartan]

Meta change lul

They’re not changing the meta. They are changing tanks to suit a specific meta.

The 215b consumables allow it to do something it was never meant to do; rush in and dpm. Previously it would simply die immediately due to lack of armor. Now it takes significantly longer to die, and with a gun like that it means it puts out far more damage before doing so

The armor-buffed Foch with the autoloader allow it to simply double up and monkey rush anything

Which meta does this specifically suit? One in which a team plays extremely aggressive and iron fists their way through the opening game, now with the ability to delete tanks that play for map control before they get there. I think we all know which server does that

Because I guarantee you if Russia camped their way to wins, right now they would be buffing the 183 and Grille to levels that make modern tanks look like toys.

[flat goblet]

🤔

[gentle sierra]

And exactly because on EU and NA clans focus on map control , the meta for them changes because of 6.2 , simple

215b wasnt that popular in cw , it was good for some maps but now everyone will spam it , same goes for foch and stb

[remote kayak]

What this is new tournament about why is so big and put in the top and announced

[floral python]

@hello im a potato#9028 this tourney isnt new, been here awhile, its pretty much the biggest tournament of the year and wg balancing department pulled the biggest iq moves 3 weeks before, all you need to know.

[mental yarrow]

Is there a reason Rockfield was removed and Himmelsdorf, Winter Mal and Dead Rail were added back into the comp map pool? Those maps have been out of the comp map pool for a fair while now and everyone has gotten used to the new rotation of maps you put in a few months back and now you change them again before Twister. Are they just there for "Prepare for the season" or are they going to be there permanently / in Twister map pool now?

[harsh ember]

Uf

[atomic tartan]

Because Rockfield doesn’t suit well with the Foch’s cupolas and low gd, and you can monkey rush with them on Himmelsdorf and Winter Mal

In dead rail, you can set up Fochs to clip reset every cap

Literally can’t be any more obvious. Ironically the only offline that RU won is the first Twister cup, in which they couldn’t blatantly tweak everything because everyone yoloed with 5 140s anyway

[slim token]

I think there is a bug with the tournament tonight. We just won 2-0, but it didn't update the score and doesn't say when our next match

[tranquil vortex]

Same here

On NA

[vagrant phoenix]

Lol nice 2 mins left but no room showed up. Thanks WG.

[slim token]

none of the first match scores posted

[vagrant phoenix]

😂 No tournament again tonight

[elder sinew]

bruh feels good

[urban cobalt]

Bruh, why isn't the bracket working

[tepid nymph]

free gold tickets for compensation pls WG
We're not happy

[urban cobalt]

I can finally play today and this happens. Smh. Lol

[vagrant phoenix]

Ticket compensation is worthless if everyone gets it. The only thing that becomes different are the rewards, which are worse btw lmao.

[slim token]

I took screenshots of our wins just in case

[harsh ember]

😂😂 gj wg

[limber vessel]

real money for compensation ples wg

[thorn shale]

i havent received my rewards yet

[gentle sierra]

T22 is on sale , happy twister everyone

in crates

[agile depot]

+1

[silver vapor]

Happy twister cup

I'm just disgusted by the fact that Wargaming sound so proud of themselves

[tawny torrent]

^.^ Hi

[thorn shale]

Goodbye

[glass thunder]

Best time to sold t22m not op tank aka pay2win twister

[dreamy adder]

When you want the T-22 to be nerfed or forbidden from tournaments you see even more 🙂

[thorn shale]

kaka tank

true]

[glass thunder]

I did wait for some jokes from wg but not sell t22m 15 days before twister you should put in crates description :doyou wan t beat all meds in 1v1 ;do you want bully players with 10% wr more than you? Do you want facehug is4 and beat him in the end 1v1?

[thorn shale]

muynn munn munn munn kskakakak

[silver vapor]

All of a sudden after all these buffs of foch and 215b buff and STB-1 buff
And now selling of T-22

Idek twister now sounds super extra and pointless because how many time we've spent in the past are gone and wasted.

[agile depot]

@glass thunder it sounds so stupid but its sadly true

[thorn shale]

why is even T22 in the freaking game man atleast remove it for major tournamnets

[gentle sierra]

They wont even do that at least

[glass thunder]

Its pay2win if they do that its will not be a real pay2win

[tranquil seal]

🔥

[azure pecan]

Nice guys, enjoy twister, no more other mediums

[thorn shale]

40wr team full t22 medium will win twister, gg wg

[azure pecan]

Variety dropped harder than Nintendo U sales gg

All sell médiums tanks and 113, just keep 268 is4 and t22 ez

[tame shore]

P2W GGGGGGG

[thorn shale]

Good way to make money, sell fcking p2w before twister

[azure pecan]

Congrats, how to ruin the only left good side in this game

[glass thunder]

Yeah who need others tanks t22 cap hold rush bounce brawl and do all better than others tanks

[thorn shale]

Yeah and ofc dont nerf it ....

[azure pecan]

T10 e-sport was only good thing in this game, also the reason why a lot of players keep playing this game

[dreamy adder]

which gonna leave 2 weeks before twister

[thorn shale]

T22 should get nerf before twister

[azure pecan]

Now gg, its like t6 and t8, only Ebola tanks

[thorn shale]

Yeah

[azure pecan]

Sure u win more money atm, lets see next year when u wont have good players anymore on ur game, only kids that will spend 100€ at beggining and then leave game

[arctic axle]

Lets all say hoooray for killing competitive wotb

[dreamy adder]

@azure pecan they are not looking for good players
they are looking for good wallets

[azure pecan]

Yeah but actually good players make the game still alive and more competitive

[glass thunder]

Players who play games:say t22 broken
Wg staff look some useless numbers and play few battles in games say t22 well balanced
Nice meme

[thorn shale]

Now u see a 100 battles noob with 300 avg dmg with 121b, chieftain and t22. And if I’m playing tier X this retart goes to my team and he doesn’t know how to change ammo

[azure pecan]

If there are no more good players i dont think that economy will be better

[thorn shale]

Dont let new players buy this high tier tanks omg

[glass thunder]

Now to select players in team for twister you dont need to see players avg damage or wr or team play you need to see if they have t22 med or not

[thorn shale]

True

[median mason]

Oh cmon, don't exaggerate

[glass thunder]

🤦

[thorn shale]

Paweeeeel

[median mason]

Migueeeeel :3

[thorn shale]

Man, they have to nerf t22 before twister and u know it

[median mason]

IMO T22 doesn't give as much advantage as you say. I am certain that 40%wr bot would never beat any pro player

[thorn shale]

Yeah ofc they won’t beat pros. But 40 wr with no tier X tanks, shouldn’t be able to get a premium/colector op tier X

[gentle sierra]

But when people have a clue on how to play , as is the case in high level cw it does give an advantage

[thorn shale]

Baron is very right

[median mason]

Yea, I know Bekon is right but it is not ridiculously op as you say

[gentle sierra]

It wont replace the stb for example cause its role is different , but try a rush with 140s and then try the same with t22s , 9/10 times the rush with the t22s will be more effective

[thorn shale]

The best thing is nerfing t22

[glass thunder]

@median mason the problem is when all players come here and say that t22m broken in cws wg after wg didn’t listen and wait for Twister to sold it

[azure pecan]

Its just about the fact that t22 outplays all mediums and some heavys

[median mason]

Yea, I know WG did it on purpose to increase selling rates :D

[thorn shale]

Wg knows t22 is broken, but they don’t care, they want money man

[gentle sierra]

They wont nerf it cause people paid money for it , just dont allow it in high level cw's

[median mason]

Which sucks but they do what they want

[thorn shale]

They don’t even listen to the players that are here since 2014-2015

[silver vapor]

As long as wargaming is still living in their alternative reality and still not listening advice from the majority of comp players, the comp side of Blitz will go nowhere or even shrink

[thorn shale]

They should do campaigns or something similar to get tier X tanks

[silver vapor]

@thorn shale we can keep going with "they should" "they need to", but have they ever shown that they are even going to listen at all?

[thorn shale]

So the ppl which doesn’t know how to play wouldn’t be able to get this tanks

[silver vapor]

I've already suggested a few big improvements in this channel, but it's always a reply of "we saw the suggestion and we will consider it" or something along the lines of that, and things just stay the same

[thorn shale]

Yeah, and after writing you that they will consider they probably forgot what u said

[chilly terrace]

@silver vapor If you think that we are not, you are totally wrong. "Listenting" doesn't mean that we will implement anything that you wrote. As you know there are many aspects of the game besides competetive players and all these aspects are related to each other.

[daring dune]

@chilly terrace hello, i still havent receive yesterday's tournament reward, could u help?

[chilly terrace]

@daring dune It will be accrued today

[daring dune]

Okay thx

[thorn shale]

Since t22 is in game we all said it was op @chilly terrace and u still didn’t nerf the tank

[daring dune]

Didn't nerf becoz its a paid tank i guess

[thorn shale]

It’s colector tank, it can be nerfed any day @daring dune

[silver vapor]

like for example. I've been asking about the custom clan logos. and now they've discontinued in distributing it. It's like a very popular reward that was stopped being distributed. If Wargaming even want it to be a sustainable (as rexy said "the process of adding custom clan logo is nor so easy.") reward, they can easily make it happen. but they didn't, it just goes to show how little they want to give out good rewards for the comp side of players who put in so much effort

[daring dune]

It shud be, but i rmb theres still no collector tank be nerfed till now rite? like op smasher @thorn shale

[blissful cobalt]

@chilly terrace Do you know if the idea has been floated around or given any consideration on disabling the ability to run collector/premium tanks within tournaments?

Even if it’s a restriction that is only on Tier 10 tournaments. It creates an unfair advantage since it’s behind a pay wall, and not effectively available to everyone. This will also open the way to more variety of tanks in tier 10 possibly. Even on PC the tier 10s are reward vehicles, so it’s less of a major issue as you have to earn them and not just shell out cash.

[thorn shale]

@blissful cobalt u are so right. It’s common sense, Thing that looks like wg doesn’t have

[velvet dome]

Couldn't have been said more beautifully

And I agree with Maddox on the custom clan logo. If Wg couldn't make it sustainable why introduce it in the first place? It is unfair. People put in massive effort to get to the finals in Minsk. And then when you are expecting a reward others have got in the past, this time it's nope srory, it's too hard to make. But in reality the last time they made the custom logos were in spring professional tourney 2018. A few months before twister. What became so hard?

[violet hemlock]

Wg doesn’t care if the best players leave cos there will be not as pro players to replace them

[silver vapor]

@chilly terrace I'll just get straight into the point. out of many suggestions in this channel that people have put out, how many actually reached the table of discussion between you and your staffs? how much have you guys went into considering our suggestions? do you guys understand our reasoning of such suggestions?

not trying to make a lecture out of this, and I'm not a fan of guessing as well, but it's something that I'm rather interested since I've been in this server for almost since day 1, and I still have yet to see any way that me or any other suggestions have changed this game by putting our input in this server

[violet hemlock]

So you can all continue whining but money talks and as long as there are people willing to buy, they will do nothing!

[azure pecan]

Just look at this man, that’s it then

17-50, and don’t say there are only CW players on this server

[chilly terrace]

@silver vapor Everything that players suggest is discussed, if idea makes sense. Even more: the big part of suggestions had been discussed a long time before players suggested it.
Regarding clan logos: it's really hard process. When we could do it, we did. If we have opportunity to do that again, we will.

@blissful cobalt We discussed that. These tanks can be replaced by tree tanks, so there is no point to restrict them.

[gentle sierra]

No they cannot , seriously

Pls tell me one tank that has the armour combined with the mobility and the low profile of the t22

Or the broken frontal armour combined with the gun depression of the badger , e3 is much easier to pen frontally and has a worse gun

[thorn shale]

Just dont let colector tanks play in tier X cw man @chilly terrace

[dreamy adder]

@chilly terrace there's no point to repeat something, which the opposite can be proved very easily

[thorn shale]

If later they are teach tree tanks then let that tanks be in cw, but not if they are colector tanks

[slim token]

Last nights tournament is still stuck in current from the first match that did not post the score.

[valid tiger]

Lol

[chilly terrace]

@slim token We've found the problem and fixed it. All participants received Silver Series Ticket as compensation.

[frigid aurora]

so basically the current twister champion is going to be a yolo monkey squad with the most T-22s, gotcha, lets roll. 200$ guarentee u basically to get a T-22, so for a team of those u technically need 7, if not 9. so 1400$ in exchange for around 50000-100000$? sounds like a deal

[silver vapor]

gg nice trade / deal

[chrome goblet]

I got question about tournaments tier 8 That team did on Monday did well and we disband on Last 2 mins for before finish and still not got rewards for it

So does disband affect the rewards

[winged anchor]

@gentle sierra the Badger is not as OP as you make it seem. It’s only hard to pene in preplanned positions where the E3 can move around with much better protection

[chilly terrace]

@chrome goblet What's the name of your team?

[chrome goblet]

Xplosion

[gentle sierra]

E3 and badger in cw are used in preplanned positions , almost every single tank in a team goes to a preplanned position , so the badger can play in a preplanned position way better than an e3 cause frontally its simply superior , the e3 has better protection on the sides and rear , the lower plate of the badger is easier to hide behind cover @winged anchor

[winged anchor]

We have been experimenting we both frequently. I honestly don’t think it offers unfair advantage.

[gentle sierra]

We agree to disagree then

[chilly terrace]

@chrome goblet As I can see that your team has received everything

[glass thunder]

@winged anchor its ok to think that but vast Majorite think badger better

[chrome goblet]

Thank you

[blissful cobalt]

why would the badger not be in a preplanned position in a tournament 👀

[silver vapor]

because they don't like badger in preplanned position

[winged anchor]

Most successful tourney teams will end up opting for a more fluid lineup with a bit more speed. After countless scrims their are only a few select maps and positions where we are using the Badger

[daring dune]

I am suprised to hear that collector tank can be replaced by tree tank. rly?

[gentle sierra]

Well ofc , you cant put every tank in every position @winged anchor

Clearly , u didnt know ?😶 @daring dune

[silver vapor]

I am more interested to know what can replace the existing Collector tanks tho

T-22?
T95E6?
Badger?
AMX30B?

tbh I fail to see any of the tech tree tanks being able to fully replace any of the tanks in this list

[daring dune]

Exactly.

[gentle sierra]

At least the t95e6 is worse than its tech tree counter part😂 😂

If im not mistaken

[daring dune]

yes, the other 3 are taking an important place in tourney

[gentle sierra]

True

[agile depot]

Stb is mutch better now than 30b

[dim pivot]

Its a different tank to 30B imo

[daring dune]

30B ≠ STB i guess, Top Speed and Gun accuracy

[blissful cobalt]

@silver vapor you forgot Chieftain and 121B

[silver vapor]

I am only putting collector tanks
but yea, premiums as well I guess

[hollow bolt]

Love WGs amazing approach to twister. They have no thought at all to balence or having a good fair tournament where everyone has a chance. Instead they try and sell as many T22s as they can while they slowly watch their game burn and die. Obviously the best approach is to completely ignore your playerbases needs and to try and squeeze as much money as possible from a sinking ship. Nicely done WG 👍

[dim pivot]

T22 before twister just screams two words "money grab"

Oh and also DiVeRsIfIeD line up in comps

[frigid aurora]

do u wanna know something funny as well? there are a few changes to the T-22 that haven't been announced

[daring dune]

Lol

[frigid aurora]

This is a ss friend sent me in 6.0, here u can see the bottom numbers of armor that allow this tank to sidescrape effeciently https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372789462096150529/611921187186147343/image0.png

Now I've been to a training room and tried penning a sidescraping t-22. And here is where i dealt damage 24/7 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372789462096150529/611920622045626399/20190816164114_1.jpg

also the ground resistance was decreased and camo rating became worse :) But who will notice? Enjoy collectable tanks, for which people during NY event spent 600$ minimum, and here can get it for 3 times less ha

[winged anchor]

I’ve always aimed here since it came out. Its the only side weak point

In a brawl the opposition might aim to low and bounce

[frigid aurora]

The only side weak point was the little plank up above, and this part was unpennable cus it was spaced armor combined with unusual triangle angled structure of the side of the hull.

[winged anchor]

🤔 I only remember it like this. It must have happened long ago

[silver vapor]

let's start with Badger. It's literally the only Tier X TD that has 10 degrees of gun depression and E3 like armor TOGETHER. how do you even replace that? The only tanks that also have 10 degrees of GD is STB-1, M60, Chieftain, FV4202, FV4005, T96E6, AMX 50B and AMX30B. now tell me which of the tanks can replace it's role and also have 10 degrees of gun depression. heck. not 10 degrees. not a single tank that has 9 degress of gun depression has that level or armor, (E3 has 8 degrees but that's about it) not to mention the dpm punch. All these comparison will lead to the conclusion that, you cannot replace Badger with another tank, let it be tech tree or not. And if you think E3 and Badger are close enough, think about the difference of 8 and 10 degrees of gun depression, and there are so many places in Blitz where 10 would work and 8 would struggle.

AMX 30B. It's literally Leopard but with better gun depression and actual turret armor (even though it's slightly slower). it is faster than STB. It although has the worst gun statistics in this comparison but you still cannot attempt to use a STB to fulfill the early scouting speed nor using a Leopard to fulfill it's turret armor requirements. It's not the most unique tank but the obvious differences meant having the AMX 30B is that you can do a job of a leopard and also do a job of an STB-1 to a certain extent, and that itself is already unique and cannot be replaced by tech tree tanks, at least not fully.

T95E6 has a similar story to AMX30B. It has the Chieftain's top speed, Gun depression, the E5's OLD cupola, AMX 50B's speed (slightly slower) and a E5 gun. it's armor is nothing to boast about in Tier X, and honestly it does have quite a few drawbacks, but still unique and would have a rather unique playstyle if it's a popular comp tank imo, probably sort of a hybrid Mk.6 and Old E5 play style.

T-22. the most controversial tank ever placed behind paywall. It has basically the best Medium tank turret at tier 10, 140 gun depression, sub-140 speed, and it looks like a 140. difference? that pikenose armor and absurdly angled armor. it's side can take up so much space it is a blackhole of some sort. IMO T-22 is inches from being OP and it is definitely better than 140 in rushing setups and it introduces that luck factor that 140 doesn't have. It would definitely have a bigger impact than Obj.140 if you are asking a comp player to drive it.

if you're talking about uniqueness of tanks, there's always uniqueness to each tank you introduce behind paywall, no matter how small, it will affect gameplay and balance imo in comp

and right, I haven't even talked about the Chieftain Mk.6.

but basically, the point I was trying to proof is that you cannot replace collector/ premium tanks with standard tech tree tanks. I know wargaming's idea of "replace" is definitely not as extensive as our idea of "replace", but it's something that is expected

and I know I'm horrible at tank comparison, feel free to point out mistakes

[frigid aurora]

i've managed to read all of this (wohoo eheh) and I agree. If u make an OP tank then it creates disbalance because everyone spams it. If u make a unique and balanced tank then in specific situations it will be better than the rest, and in rest worse, not just something overpowered and preferred over anything else. Now T-22 is preferred to any other medium, 30b to leopard or stb, badger to e3, poor T95 that everyone probably forgot about to an E5 and sometimes even chieftain for mobility, and chieftain to 215b or e5

[daring dune]

Wg thought T-22 can be replaced by T62A/140, players don't think so

[frigid aurora]

7 T-22s vs 7 140s hM, exactly ^

[silver vapor]

it's really about the concept of "replacement"

[frigid aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372789462096150529/611923449404719105/20190816155008_1.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372789462096150529/611923462134693894/20190816155058_1.jpg
thug life xoxo

[silver vapor]

us the players would definitely dig super deep when we are considering a tank choice over another, but wargaming staff would look a lot shallower because of their role as a development team and not as a role as player

[pallid raven]

Just power creep the t22

[glass thunder]

i think wg did nerf t22med for real

[vital obsidian]

wish

[glass thunder]

t22 nerf confirmed xd i did test it before in training room and test it now

[slim token]

@chilly terrace we received the silver ticket, but we were hoping for at least some credits since we won the first match and should have proceeded to the next stage. I have screenshots and replays of our two games.

[faint raptor]

same @slim token

[vital obsidian]

@glass thunder what exactly is supposed to be nerfed

[glass thunder]

@vital obsidian side armor and front armor used to be hard to pen all upper plate was like is7 you can pen right or left now its ez to pen both even if tank move right and left

[gentle sierra]

I dont recall upper plate being that strong tbh

[silver vapor]

T-22 upper plate is not the strongest but troll

[glass thunder]

@vital obsidian join training room if you want test it

[vital obsidian]

but i dont know enough to say if its nerfed or not

[chilly terrace]

@slim token We just have sent 550.000 credits to each player.

[slim token]

Thank you!

[eternal breach]

@blissful cobalt lol, they gave consideration , they decideded not to, why do you think they sell the the t22 med 2 weeks before twister

[azure void]

For those that need the new map image

@winter swallow there u go :)

[glass thunder]

@azure void thx i really did need it

[vital obsidian]

Tx !

[pale hamlet]

One cuestion the mew bay map is in torunaments tier V-VI?

[winter swallow]

Don’t think so

[thorn shale]

@azure void yoo thanks mate

[digital cargo]

@silver vapor STB1 all over amx30b. Yes the 30b is a lovely tank but it never stacks up to the armor of the stb after the buff. And if you need a first spot you go for BC25t or STB because stb has better camo and viewrange and the Bc is even more mobile. Which one you take is dependent of the tactic and map. With t22 I agree but with badger not so. Badger is too slow. Even slower than e3. It’s not flexible enough so the badger hold it’s own position but I won’t think it becomes as relevant as e3 in tournaments.

[crisp shore]

Actually according to tank-compare AMX 30 B has better effective hp/t than B-C 25t (and same top speed) while it has much better hp/t than STB-1 as well. I think it is a very tactical tank in the tournaments.

[harsh ember]

@digital cargo 30b op shutcho

[digital cargo]

@harsh ember nahh. Underperforming gun...

[harsh ember]

it's not my fault you cant aim

[hasty sedge]

😋

what

[digital cargo]

A nice tank, well ballanced instead of 22 med

[thorn shale]

How van i join the tournament in a clan?

Ik have made my own clan but i don't know many people who play wot

[digital cargo]

You can either join a tournament team or open a tournament by yourself. But you need at least 5 players

[wanton cape]

@chilly terrace so for Tuesday tournaments we got THREE complaints and no credits. but one silver ticket. I don't care about silver tickets. I have tons of them sitting around. REMOVE my THREE complaints.

@chilly terrace and how come Thursday tournaments player get silver ticket and credits. And they didn't even get THREE miss tournament complaint in their record. But Tuesday tournaments team just got Silver ticket. And we had to get three miss tournament in our profile.

[frigid aurora]

caring about complaints in 2019 zulul

[elder sinew]

are you seriously concerned with 3 complaints

[silver vapor]

Lol I got my only ones from the CTS show match in Asia at he start of this year where they didn't give everyone room invites and we decided to end the match prematurely before they fixed it

[wanton cape]

@elder sinew This is just a stupid game. I am not concerned about it. But every player in my team got THREE miss tournament complaints at the same time for a freaking silver ticket. Which we could have got easily with tons of credit. So it's unfair to them. For myself I don't give a 2cents about this game anymore.

@chilly terrace at least remove three miss tournament complaints from my teammates. I don't care about myself. I am done with this game anyway.

[thorn shale]

lol

[wanton cape]

@chilly terrace and if you guys are so incompetent that you can not remove something you programmed in the game. Then at least give them enough credits to compensate for those complaints. Now if you excuse me I am going to write some review about this game that I wasted so much of my time on it.

[silver vapor]

It's the weekends. The staff are off at weekends

[winged anchor]

Good lord. Do you not realize those complaints don’t mean diddly squat

[dim pivot]

I thot he was gonna ask for gold tickets but no that boi cares abt military honor

[tranquil rivet]

Hello, i am a Wotb Player since 4 years, and i am searching for a new super unicum Clan. My Nickname is 7TH_HUNTHER.

I Like to Join to a super unicum Clan because of the Twister Cup, which is coming soon

[silver vapor]

#clan-recruitment @tranquil rivet

[tranquil rivet]

Lol :D didnt See it :q

[wicked snow]

@glass thunder T-22 's parameters were nerfed , not the armor thickness that we can see on the garage , but the hidden ones , also tested the armor and its nowhere as strong as it was before

[silver vapor]

so it's a server side silent armor values nerf? 🤔

[thorn shale]

Will there be 1vs1 tournament

Sory google transletor :)
M

[azure pecan]

Yes it is @silver vapor

[glass thunder]

@wicked snow true xd

[flat goblet]

@silver vapor every nerf is server side 🤔

[silver vapor]

I mean as in only a server armor nerf because the client values are unchanged, if it had changed Either BlitzHangar or Armor Inspector would've picked it up and reported it as a change

so the client armor penetration skin is unchanged, but there was such a nerf that it affected the armor and chances of penetrating the tank. That is what I meant by that @flat goblet

[flat goblet]

Fairly certain hitskins are generated server-side

Otherwise, how many different skins would have to be saved for every angle the tank is at? Or any tank for that matter.

[silver vapor]

@flat goblet well that's why there's collision models. and maths.

I know the client side model is a lot "simpler" than the server side model, but it could've been reflected as a client side change as well imo

[flat goblet]

Right. Hitskins are just math values (calculated by the server, on the server) displayed by a color. Presumably, only the geometry is save server side.

[foggy torrent]

So hitskins are actually fairly simple to generate

[flat goblet]

Client doesn’t save armor values for the game, that’s how games get hacked.

[foggy torrent]

So no it's most likely client side generating the hitskins

[silver vapor]

@flat goblet actually client does store armor values, but those are only for generating the penetration skin. penetration calculation is presumed to be done on server side so it doesn't get hacked

[flat goblet]

Guess that makes sense, kindof like how IS-3D didn’t have the correct hitskin.

[silver vapor]

so client will have a simplified collision model, and each polygon (my guess) is mapped to a armor value, and how we can calculate the client penetration skin now? simple stuff

[flat goblet]

But wouldn’t that mean you could make a mod with more accurate hitskins?

[foggy torrent]

@flat goblet yes and those exist

[silver vapor]

technically yes. @flat goblet

[flat goblet]

Sketchy stuff

[foggy torrent]

But those are illegal mods

[silver vapor]

but no one has attempted it since it's no simple matter :> or at least as far as I know

[flat goblet]

The way you’re describing it, should be as simple as mapping more polygons to armor values

[foggy torrent]

It's simple to make it's red and clear but semi clear or trying to calculate within 5% of max pen is much much harder

[silver vapor]

because in order to create an accurate hitskin, with accurate collision model, it means that you will need to somehow obtain the actual model + values mapped for it, which there is no way of obtaining them as of now.

and I presume one of the reasons why the client doesn't use the server model is that its a lot more complex, and it would potentially create some form of performance impact if the actual server model is used

[flat goblet]

So then the actual values still reside on the server

[silver vapor]

@flat goblet I made it sound easy just for the sake of explanation

the client only stores a simplified model and values just only to generate the penetration skins

the same goes for all of the values you see in game, all of those are read from XML files that are generated for Client side use. so in reality you can change all of that and create a desync with the server, but you cannot be benefitted directly from those changes, unless you are just increasing the accurate of the model and values so you'd get an advantage.

[dreamy adder]

good twister

[gentle sierra]

Not even 3k lmao

[wicked snow]

Thats just sad

[sacred quail]

😍

[thorn shale]

@pale eagle #tourneys-team-search channel not here

[waxen galleon]

Tf

[faint scaffold]

leirbaggabriel#2554 has been warned.

[hollow bolt]

@inner osprey #clan-search

[faint scaffold]

crocodrile 38282#6106 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

@placid helm #tourneys-team-search channel

[faint scaffold]

MrHesing#1889 has been warned.

wiesiek234#4092 has been warned.

Quick_Silver#4186 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

Pls add season tournaments on the weekends

[chilly terrace]

@pale hamlet New Bay is available for vehicles from tier VII. It means that it won't be in V-VI tournaments.

@wanton cape Unfortunately, complaints will still on the account, but they won't be counted by punishment system.
Two different compensation because there were two different situations.

@thorn shale We might spend 1vs1 tournament someday, but it definitely will be the fun format. It's unlikely that tournaments like these will be held constantly.

[thorn shale]

Thx

[thorn shale]

@chilly terrace hey Rexy! Do you know at what date we will know the map pools for the Twister season and what the qualifying format will be? (i.e. Bo3 or Bo5, double elim or single elim, etc)

[vague obsidian]

@chilly terrace I have a question on the night that the update came out I missed 3 tourney battles because it wasn’t on iOS yet are those going to be removed

[analog osprey]

Hy rexy

[grim shadow]

@vague obsidian If you mean the missed tournament complaints, then you can look above for his message on those.

[faint scaffold]

crocodrile 38282#6106 has been warned.

[slim token]

If there are less than 64 teams in the “prepare for the season” tournament, will it start on Thursday? 🤞

[dapper current]

lets have a 5 v 5 offline world championship where we can go vroom

[frosty nexus]

Dear players,

According the amount of registered teams for the tournament " Prepare for the season" are less than needed to start first stage, we decided to cancel first stage. The tournament will be started from the second stage, registration will be prolonged:

• RU: Registration closes on August 22, 17:00 (UTC +3)
• EU: Registration closes on August 22, 16:00 (CEST)
• NA: Registration closes on August 22, 07:00 (PT) / 10:00 (ET)
• ASIA: Registration closes on August 22, 17:00 (UTC +8)

[gentle sierra]

👀

[gentle sierra]

Groups of death means strongest vs strongest , right ? So tomorrow the top teams will play each other ?

[chilly terrace]

Yes, you are right

[gentle sierra]

So in the last day we will have some really good teams and some "mediocre" ones ?

[chilly terrace]

You can find information how to work Strongest vs. Strongest principle here: https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/article/15743/

[gentle sierra]

Ok , thx

[glass thunder]

Its looks nice

[gentle sierra]

Will the system be used in twister or can we not know yet ? @chilly terrace

[silver vapor]

they already mentioned that Twister will be Strongest to weakest. Strongest vs Strongest is only used in off-seasons where "wargaming wants to prepare the teams for the seasons"

[gentle sierra]

Ah , didnt know , thx

[silver vapor]

it's not pinned but at least that's what they''ve been saying

[chilly terrace]

Hello everyone!

Soon we will active start to share details about upcoming Twister season, but right now we are ready to share with you a map pool which will be used in the series of key qualifiers to Blitz Twister Cup 2019:

Rockfield
Desert Sands
Middleburg
Mayan Ruins
Fort Despair
Oasis Palms
Black Goldville
Winter Malinovka
Castilla
Port Bay
Canal
Vineyards
Naval Frontier
Dynasty’s Pearl
Alpenstadt
Faust
Normandy

See you all in the season!

[thorn shale]

@chilly terrace thank you very much!!!