you love it, and we love you doing it <3
#tourneys-discussion
leaden belfry
winter swallow
I also love Gears of War, Destiny and Mass Effect.
subtle raven
What happen
fickle light
Rip
low badger
@winter swallow u can stream ow so you can follow my team through trials haha
winter swallow
I would need to earn the game lol
silver vapor
🤔
green sierra
Stream minecraft @winter swallow
flat goblet
Streaming system is truly bad
silver vapor
There is a lot of "meh systems" in this game - and streaming is sort of one of them
vital obsidian
but the committed streamers are op 👍❤️ So wg just fix the technical issues and the game is again moving one step further 👍
flat goblet
Pretty sure it isn’t technical issues
timber grotto
Pretty sure WG just sucks 😆
sullen nova
よろしくお願いします
timber grotto
@sullen nova English only
strange bough
@winter swallow Today probably there will be no stream because in the top eschelon there is still no graph in the top 4, theoretically you know who will play in it but in practice the tables are still missing, while in the middle eschelon the table is already from yesterday evening
hexed pine
Hi
leaden belfry
Well that doesn't sound hopeful, @strange bough 🤔 but I'm fairly sure that part will be alright and that Brian and I will have no trouble streaming EU at least
We also heard back from wg and things have been set right for NA for the finals, so that's fixed 👌 =)
Could be because of the tie breaker, btw. Maybe they don't know who in EU is in what place yet
strange bough
I think they should already know who is playing what place because the second part of the first stage ended yesterday and at 10 p.m. there was the whole tournament score, in the top 4 there are APA, IMMOR, -LXN- and EXEGI anyway as I say, we still do not know who is playing with whom and on what map so we do not even have the opportunity to prepare for the battles that are to take place.
green sierra
didnt they say what maps are played?
thorn shale
Even the streamers thinking to leave this game. Thats verry nice for wg.
vital obsidian
we know the maps
strange bough
No more important XD tables have just appeared
My bug, the maps are given in the tournament description :)
leaden belfry
Brackets on EU created.
NonOmnisMoriar vs Lux Novum - RollingSwarm
IMMREQ vs APA - Amaunet
Upper bracket match 2 - Rolling
Lower bracket match 1 - Amaunet
Lower bracket final - both of us
Grand final - both of us
^ the streaming table we’ve just been given
vital obsidian
Gg @leaden belfry @winter swallow
winter swallow
@thorn shale Im not leaving Blitz but the frustration at 3am was real 😂
silver vapor
@winter swallow I mean, just do it so Wargaming knows that this is something urgent that they need to improve
green sierra
lol come stream me in grand finals xD
winter swallow
@silver vapor well WG have notionally fixed it all for tonight :)
stoic rapids
Hey rolling it's me DRAGOZ_KIA..... 5 months ago my acc was permanently banned due to charge back so I made my new acc I also seen u record a livestream from pro league ( 2 vs 2 tournament
silver vapor
Nasty chargeback
thorn shale
No witam
tranquil seal
@winter swallow pls more mass effect 😍
silver vapor
arghhh my throat is a bit itchy after 3 days of constant commentating
leaden belfry
@silver vapor but it is great fun to do, isn't it? =)
silver vapor
@leaden belfry yeah it's lovely, but I can't help but think it could've been more fun if I was one of those playing 😂
leaden belfry
Lmao 😂
I'm content just commentating. It's the same gameplay, but without the stress and pressure 😂
alpine adder
@leaden belfry the person that got banned from your stream chat today was me. I thought only my stream was lagging behind and that people knew the delay was there, I didn’t mean to spoil it for anyone. I thought they already knew and that the comment being loaded were from way before (as in I was the only one far behind and that the others were watching it live). Just wanted to apologize. :(
vital obsidian
Opening xmas present day before xmas 😶
leaden belfry
@alpine adder no worries. It was only a timeout, so you can talk again next time. Just be careful with that. There's always a 5 minute delay on tournament streams so no one can streamsnipe
alpine adder
Will do, thanks.
cobalt yarrow
Congrats APA
tranquil seal
GG APA! Tiebreaker was a real boom!
crisp shore
Gg APA!
vital obsidian
Gg APA!!
alpine adder
Anyone know when the rewards for the middle echelon will be issued? Top got their rewards the moment it ended. Middle ended over 18 hours ago for me and no rewards yet.
tired lark
Congratulations to APA. Worthy Winners of top echelon Championship.
opaque kite
Worthy? Even teams in the middle Echelon could beat them
tired lark
Yes to Worthy
fathom tiger
Yea sure some middle echelon teams could beat them but why did apa win the top echelon and the teams in mid echelon are in mid echelon
leaden belfry
^ that. Don't be rude just because of would've and could've. Fact is "didn't", whereas APA did win, and won brilliantly at that
signal lagoon
We just lost a game on a technical because we couldn't connect...
thorn shale
Great servers wg!
mental yarrow
@chilly terrace Both PNCR and void lagged out at the end of the match and majority of the team couldn't even log back in. PNCR managed to get 5 ready in time and got an auto win
Gotta love losing a map to server issues, wasn't even fair to both teams...
thorn shale
you hold these tourneys that volunteer streamers and teams put hours into but you cant fix your servers
jolly granite
@fathom tiger I went into the account with the support and they said that they can only unblock my account if I buy the same amount spent in gold in the PC wot but I do not have the physical money at the moment what do I do then?
signal lagoon
Thank god we won the second match or I would have blown a gasket
slim token
ours crashed too
signal lagoon
Yah the whole server went down I think; and it just so happened that it lost us a battle
slim token
yeah, bad timing/luck! lol
we were all spinning
hard stratus
ry😀
mental yarrow
All of void lagged out in grand finals
very nice
chilly hemlock
Everyone did
signal lagoon
Our guys got in later than they did though
chilly hemlock
This is unbelievably ridiculous
pale moss
Sad
chilly hemlock
What a waste
mental yarrow
esports ready
lone solstice
Watching amaunet, looks like server crashes mid tournament. Gg 👏
chilly hemlock
@lone solstice change your pfp
signal lagoon
That last match needs a redo
lone solstice
Gimme sec
signal lagoon
@chilly terrace During the grand finals for the NA server's top echelon tournament, the server crashed causing our team to lose the match.
mental yarrow
What a joke that was, put in all the time and effort to get into the grand finals and can't even get a fair match
thorn shale
Great servers!
slim token
it happened for all echelons. We were in middle echelon and both teams crashed as well
thorn shale
wg mad sped
signal lagoon
This is a complete joke. After all the time we invested, and the commitment we put in to make every match for these 3 days, we can't even get a fair match in the grand finals.
fickle light
Rip
leaden belfry
I'm going to guess there'll be either compensation or a rematch. A rematch would definitely be the most fair
apparently same thing happened in Mid Echelon
thorn shale
fair? sorry that word doesnt exist for wg
leaden belfry
it does for me though, so that's what I'll nag them for 🙃
chilly hemlock
@leaden belfry purpl won game 2 legit
So a full redo isn’t fair
Nor is leaving it as is
So this whole thing was essentially best of 1
leaden belfry
I'm not so sure, because none of the teams would be fully focused after that crap, I imagine
but that part will be upto wg to decide, in any case
chilly hemlock
Of course they’re fully focused
lone solstice
first game, looks like everyone crashed. So at least have a 1 match redo for Tempest v Purpl
chilly hemlock
This is the top end of comp
Everyone’s minds are locked in. Regardless of how awful the servers are
This is what makes a team elite
lone solstice
mid-game interruption such as server crashes i think would merit a rematch.
chilly hemlock
If you redo this game, then you have to redo other prior games
Because it wasn’t the only time
So now you open Pandora’s box
mental yarrow
An elite team shouldn't have to deal with trash servers and worry about getting disconnected mid battle. This whole tournament was screwed up. First games both teams got disconnected and grand finals. Some people may not have the time to redo the tournament but even if they compensate everyone it's not like the teams get the true satisfaction of winning or getting a fair fight
signal lagoon
Honestly, at this point, they should just give both teams joint first place and be done with this crap
chilly hemlock
Thanks for the edit
signal lagoon
@chilly hemlock Also, we were definitely on tilt the second match
toxic lintel
wg is so lazy they cant even put the effort to fix the server or even put an effort to give the streamers who stay up all night an invite
chilly hemlock
Again. Both pramo and c4 lagged out in twister 2 and c4 got a reset and we didn’t
This is the garbage that happens
Not only in online
But at the biggest event of the year
toxic lintel
absolute joke, what kind of esports ready game is this
chilly hemlock
I TOTALLY understand your anger and frustration but it’s sadly nothing new
The servers have been junk for weeks
thorn shale
lmao i wouldnt be surprised if wg doesnt even realize their servers are spazzing
leaden belfry
all the same, whether it's the whole of it or part of it, there should be -some- form of rematch imo
well they will be made aware of that now, for sure
chilly hemlock
Now they falter at the worst possible time
leaden belfry
I'm waiting for my stream to process so I can link them to timed bits >.>
chilly hemlock
“Working as intended”
leaden belfry
lol
toxic lintel
this is well known fact for while, crashing servers has been a thing for a while and they had a month to fix it
leaden belfry
I read that console server crashed too?
upper oar
@frosty nexus
upper oar
she'll get to it in the morning
thorn shale
what about that dude playing wotb does he even realize what happened
chilly hemlock
I imagine she’ll have a few hundred messages
leaden belfry
I've notified wg in the streamerchat
that's Alexandra XD She likely just left her computer on
thorn shale
noice
leaden belfry
she's been known to do that, apparently
sometimes she plays blitz 4 days without break, according to discord
lone solstice
World of Tanks PC has had server crashes. I haven't noticed it in EU but twice in NA. It looks to be just an NA issue
leaden belfry
today?
thorn shale
@leaden belfry yeah shes on 2 days
leaden belfry
imagine the rage someone would experience if they actually played for 48 hours...
thorn shale
imagine the rage people experienced after servers crashed in a streamed tournament
rancid glen
Also today has been bad for severs on NA I counted 5 crashes since I starting play this after noon. I feel bad for the tournament players.
bold yarrow
They played lot of matches to get here, like whole season and then this happens
thorn shale
honestly not even surprised gg wg
toxic lintel
shoulda just asked people to play the games on the test server if the main server is so bad
or maybe fix the server before the games??
leaden belfry
why not have a working server to begin with? 🤷
send in the links to the right times on my stream to the stream-staff, so they can look into it
I'm going back to bed now 😴
oblique lion
This is so sad like was such a great weekend on all servers then this happens smh
solid pine
As a person who has seen them training entire nights for weeks at a time, this is very disgraceful
slim token
the replay did not save for our match in the tournament that crashed for any of the players
thorn shale
Sounds like another well run tournament with no hitches :^)
flat goblet
NA servers have been off for a few weeks
burnt ingot
Yeah I got DC 3 times earlier today and several times the past few weeks but today seemed worse then most days
silver vapor
when all the money that you make from selling various lootboxes doesn't go to making a more stable server
Wg: this will be fine
Game: nope
Top players: also nope
No offense but I just find this funny
alpine adder
It is funny and ridiculous at the same time. How much they think they can get away with. I’m telling you. They will apologize, maybe Do a Re-match or whatnot to pass this one. But no fixes. It’ll remain the same. That’s what their previous track record suggests. It’s mainly because the players can’t hold them accountable in any way.
toxic lintel
Technician ~ “our servers are unstable and require a fix”
Wg~ “that would cost a fraction of what we make in a few hours, we can’t afford this. It’s time to sell our broken 252 for 60$ to fund this”
Wg after a week~ “actually I like money, let’s pretend everything is fine and hopefully no one notices”
chilly terrace
Hello!
We faced some technical issues during yesterday matches on NA. These issues could influence on results of matches, so we decided that these matches must be played again.
Lower Echelon (only NA) - Final of Lower Bracket and Grand Final will be replayed. Matches will start at 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET), 27th of May.
Middle Echelon (only NA) - Final of Lower Bracket and Grand Final will be replayed. Matches will start at 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET), 27th of May.
Top Echelon (only NA) - all matches in the Final stage will be replayed. Matches will start at 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET), 27th of May.
We must apologize for any inconvenience.
alpine adder
@chilly terrace is there a delay in the issuing of rewards for the Asia server? Or were they supposed to be delivered this late (as of right now middle echelon rewards have no been awarded)
chilly terrace
@alpine adder All rewards will be accrued today.
alpine adder
Understood, thanks for the clarification.
chilly terrace
oak veldt
icic
nocturne veldt
@chilly terrace What is known about the avatar? Top Echelon
tranquil seal
Following
toxic lintel
Are the server crashes fixed by now or is there chance it will happen again? @chilly terrace
I appreciate the attempt to restart, but I believe that starting the tournament on Monday night randomly is not the best option. Some people will be busy working on this day, perhaps making the restart 1 week after what it was yesterday is a better option, so that teams play on the weekend on Sunday or Saturday @chilly terrace
chilly terrace
@nocturne veldt Avatars will be delivered before Saturday
mighty isle
is a federal holiday for the US not many should have work
Besides it works for PURPL we dont have an issue with it. So unless wargaming works with both teams, the next day being today makes sense
winter swallow
I think a redo is the right call. Unfortunately I am unable to stream it 😭
oak veldt
ono
winter swallow
Lol I have done almost 15 hours of live-streaming since Thursday 🤪
thorn shale
(ಥ﹏ಥ)
chilly hemlock
@winter swallow but how would you do it? Purpl won game two fairly
silver vapor
u wot
chilly hemlock
@chilly terrace did you even talk to the teams first about doing a redo? Today is a holiday in the United States, giving people less than 14 hours notice is really inconsiderate to the players. After all of the problems they encountered yesterday, it’s understandable as to trying to redo it for the sake of fairness but you create more problems due to player availability
pale finch
Yeah I agree with @chilly hemlock if it’s going to be redone it should be next weekend, doing it on a weekday might limit some players heavily.
chilly hemlock
How many millions of people memed EA for the line “is this good for the player?”. It’s the same thing here. This isn’t good for ANY of the teams if they lose people to the holiday
Don’t substitute one problem, with more problems
atomic tartan
isn't that the russian way of doing things
tranquil seal
😂
silver vapor
I think there are 2 things that need to be fixed here -
- The server itself (I mean, seriously, how can you have a server that is basically on the edge of failing once in a while? and fails during one of if not the most important tournament in this period after Professionals)
- The way of rectifying the situation (I know Wargaming's frontline staff is trying very hard to fix the issue, but rushing the solution won't fix anything at all, only making it worse)
chilly hemlock
Imagine the scenes of the games crash again tonight
pale finch
If they redo it tonight I genuinely hope the servers will crash, to prove that rushing solutions isn’t always the best and most viable option.
chilly hemlock
It would be such poetic justice
@chilly terrace at least change the maps. Considering you can see everyone’s initial positions from the first game, and game 2 was played out completely, it’s a bit much to do the same map for a third and fourth time in a row
thorn shale
Wouldn't surprise me lmao
chilly hemlock
@mighty isle @signal lagoon should be asked what maps to do
If you’re going to do a redo, do it CORRECTLY or it will be a waste of time and NO ONE will be happy. Rushing this is not a solution
Today is a holiday
They’d be playing the same map 4 times in a row
chilly terrace
@chilly hemlock Unfortunately, it's impossible to schedule matches in a way which time will suit all teams. Matches on next Weekend also would be unsuitable for someone.
The maps won't be change. Your opponent will have to play the same as well. So it's fair.
@pale finch the issue that happened yesterday was not predictable. If it had been, we wouldn't have set matches at this time.
chilly hemlock
This is not going to be the ending you want it to be
silver vapor
I don't think letting the teams choosing the maps that they are going to be played on would be any good idea at all, I'd at least either get the map randomized from the map pool, if not staying for the same maps
chilly hemlock
Both teams had to play through server crashes. So that’s fair too
Double edged swords cut both ways
pale finch
That’s what I’m trying to point out too, @chilly hemlock a lot of things have to change in order for it to be fair.
chilly hemlock
But screw it. Let’s rush everything and upset all involved
silver vapor
@chilly hemlock but really at this stage, anything Wargaming can do will upset someone, so I'd guess the more realistic thing to discuss here is to talk about how wargaming can actually ensure server stability, as it's always the reason why such "rescheduling" are made
chilly hemlock
There are so many things wrong with this
Why is the grand finals for a month + long season best of 3??
Like who thought that was a good idea 😂
silver vapor
we can always be picky and say why this map pool as well, they threw away some of the more balanced maps like Yamato Harbour and puts in maps like BGV and Middleburg
silver vapor
there are always sad and disappointing moments when you lost - but I guess the more advanced version is you lost because of some factor that is not related to the 2 teams fighting at all
remote python
I am not sad or disappointed bc lost, it is bc this whole situation.
green sierra
lol some teams are better in best of 3 then in best of 5 @chilly hemlock and they prob did it so tour can finish faster
chilly hemlock
Oh it seems like they’re trying to finish things faster alright
green sierra
tbh even rewards arent that good and seeding should have been done by positions not wr but ok
lol @pale finch was that your msg? didnt see nickname but I saw msg
silver vapor
seeding with wr isn't fun at all 🤔
Now I have to start padding my winrate just to be competitive in these seeding tournaments at the early stage
chilly terrace
@chilly hemlock If there had been best-of-5, matches would have taken about 3 hours each day. We don't think, that there are much enthusiastic players which would appreciate this.
green sierra
that is how it is, tbh I dont have anything against them but that is how GNEIS got in top 8. They had good early games because of wr seeding @silver vapor
chilly hemlock
I meant for the final
silver vapor
like our 2nd best team have 60% WR, and it's only no.7 in terms in WR in top echelon, at the same time our best team with 62% WR can easily fit into the top echelon, still only barely top 4 in terms of WR @green sierra
chilly terrace
@chilly hemlock We are thinking of it, but as I wrote before it may not be so good for the biggest part of players.
silver vapor
and it had in the past made our games way harder than it should be - our games could've been a lot easier if we were to switch spots with one of the teams with higher WR
chilly hemlock
“but as I wrote before it may not be so good for the biggest part of players.”
But you never even ASKED the players involved
You didn’t talk to the captains
thorn shale
Someone's triggered
fringe galleon
We all are triggered I guess
chilly hemlock
I’m not triggered. This isn’t new. This isn’t the first time
At what point will they actually start thinking about the players involved?
fringe galleon
And streamers? Rolling and Amaunet have done lots of work.
thorn shale
Like wg cares lmaoo
fringe galleon
They cant? I heard Amaunet is streaming,. Rolling is not
chilly hemlock
Amaunet and Rolling are actually really involved on this. Both are upset about the servers crashing
Oh. I didn’t know amaunet was streaming
There’s absolutely no guarantee that the servers won’t just crash again
thorn shale
Imagine waking up at 2 AM for that 😂😂
chilly hemlock
What happens if void and purpl don’t end up in the final because of the redo?
This is just ridiculous
thorn shale
they havent thought that far ahead
silver vapor
thinking far ahead is the professional players' job during the games - not anyone else's 😂
sudden shadow
only one thing,all 3 teams were full pc players,i think there should be no tours like this bcs it gives huge advantage over touch players
there is pc wot for pc players
thorn shale
Lmao wg released this game for pc so it's not just a mobile game
sudden shadow
umm original was for touch,they did it just to get more money,thats why twister and pro tour is not for touch
silver vapor
@sudden shadow if you're looking for ultimate touch only experience, go for professionals - any lower levels of tournaments that does not involve any offline stage in the future can and should be mixed so it can cater as much players as possible
sudden shadow
i dont need advices about it,i know all im just saying about this top echelon
silver vapor
doesn't matter, top echelon can be and should be mixed if all the tournaments that lead up to it is also mixed, otherwise I think it would be wise to have all the control mode throughout this tournament mode consistent - aka all mixed
sudden shadow
bcs ur pc player
leaden belfry
@chilly hemlock I am streaming the matches tonight. NA deserves at least one stream where things go as they should
sudden shadow
why not playing pro on real wot for pc?
leaden belfry
At this point, anything and everything wargaming does will be wrong somehow
In spring season, when there were technical issues, the match was re-done the next day as well
chilly hemlock
That’s interesting
green sierra
tbh if @chilly terrace you make twister cap for pc only it would earn much more money then real wot tournaments
thorn shale
Because WoT PC is even more broken than this game somehow @sudden shadow
sudden shadow
no it wouldnt coz all touch players would leave the game
leaden belfry
But yeah, in this case, I was lucky enough to be able to take time off work tomorrow so that I can stream it tonight =)
sudden shadow
its harder for pc players coz they dont have advantage over mobile ones
burnt ingot
What a real one thnx @leaden belfry ^
fringe galleon
Well our prof qualifier played in monday because professional tournament began next weekend. It had to be played quickly
sudden shadow
thats why they play here and not real one,just not good enough there
leaden belfry
Pc and mobile both have their advantages and disadvantages...
I for one can't play pc to save my life 😂
sudden shadow
we all know pc are kings of gameing correct?
abstract cloak
you can do the same things on mobile just as well as pc
sudden shadow
console doesnt have chance,touch doesnt have chance and so on,this shouldnt even be discussed
abstract cloak
are we talking about this game solely or all pc games in general?
sudden shadow
it goes for all games same way
thorn shale
I don't see your point, good player on mobile == good player on PC, there are no 'huge advantages' that you're mentioning here
sudden shadow
look overal stats of touch players and then overal on pc
thorn shale
That says nothing
sudden shadow
ofc it doesnt xD
abstract cloak
You don't have to kill yourself trying to get back to mobile when tournaments are mobile only
sudden shadow
wonder what would u say if u were touch,dude says mobile is same as pc,discussion finished cD
fickle light
pc players has the advantage of autolock on target and zooming in
thorn shale
I didn't have an intention of having a 3 hour discussion, I have better things to do in life
abstract cloak
bruh autolock on mobile works too
sudden shadow
what is best gameing setup? controler,touch ot keyboard and mause?
thorn shale
Also pc autoaim is trash and is of no use in pro tournaments
fringe galleon
Lets not talk about pc vs mobile in this channel
sudden shadow
ez question above
thorn shale
Depends on the player
sudden shadow
omg dude what are u smokeing?
thorn shale
Nothing lmao
sudden shadow
to finish this,coz no sense,comunity in this game doesnt have brains,check around google and see what pro players from all around games say can any other device fight pc with same level in any game
grizzled torrent
As @fringe galleon said, there is absolutely no reason to be discussing this in this channel
sudden shadow
i agree i finished 😃
thorn shale
You have, IT, Programmers, Staff, Servers, and backup servers. You have a entire team working on a UN-Resolved issue with multiple SERVERS. When is this problem going to be finally be fixed ? I can go across other mobile gaming. They have problems too. But they fix it in time and I almost don't encounter problems afterwards.
sudden shadow
IT basicly is all of that mate xD
thorn shale
Ik. @sudden shadow I am just saying stuff. I am like dead tired. Not enough sleep.
sudden shadow
uh u have to sleep bro 😃 but wg have too much issues lately with servers
thorn shale
In games where timing is key, such as first-person shooter and real-time strategy games, a low ping is always desirable, as a low ping means smoother gameplay by allowing faster updates of game data between the players' clients and game server. High latency can cause lag. ... Ping is also affected by geographical location.
worthy leaf
Anyone going to tier 5-6 tornament
golden jackal
I call bull
faint scaffoldBOT
Immor is my wife <3#6288 has been warned.
keen oar
op wg servers
winter swallow
@chilly hemlock there's 2 issues.
-
the game crashed in first match which screwed over the fixture we didn't cover.
-
even if PURPL won game 2 fairly, game 1 was disrupted and Void were very likely tilted/unsettled then for game 2.
The most logical solution is a total redo.
Timing for tonight I'm not sure of. Not enough time for people to arrange schedules etc.
keen oar
I personally don't think wg would bother with scheduling a redo on a tournament such as this one @winter swallow
winter swallow
I think they should. A lot of effort went into ascents
chilly hemlock
@winter swallow “even if Purpl won game two fairly”. I watched your stream and saw absolutely nothing wrong with that match
The first game was a write off
But now purpl and void have to redo everything on the same maps as yesterday
That means new strats and a lot of training
manic carbon
Not sure why any of u are nay saying a redo since it doesn’t matter in the slightest to you. What happened last night was not okay and I’m happy we get to redo our fixture
thorn shale
@manic carbon I'm a dep for void raik is a dep for pramo how does this not matter to us
vagrant phoenix
- It's a holiday in USA, 3 of 4 clans in top echelon finals are primarily in the US. Not to mentioned how there was even a day's notice.
- The maps are the same.
- It's a Monday.
- Who knows if the same thing would happen again.
manic carbon
@thorn shale obviously talking about raik since I can’t even find a message from u here lol chill out
thorn shale
would you be chill if whatever clan ur in lost a grand final because of server issues (ps tour 4 of quick tourneys dont count)
foggy torrent
What happened last night?
manic carbon
We go live a glory melt down lol
My team is in the middle and played. Already know u do t care tho lol
foggy torrent
Oh server crashes again?
vagrant phoenix
Meh WG doesn't plan to do anything about it so the players will show them tonight I guess.
thorn shale
@manic carbon did your entire team crash at all
thorn shale
Then I have no clue why you arent upset. Unless you put 0 time into preparing
manic carbon
Did u read my original message? Take another pass
I was commenting on a bunch of ppl saying there shouldn’t be a redo that have 0 stack in it
thorn shale
Yeah no theres a lot of things I really dont want to read again
manic carbon
Okay kiddo go find a corner
fickle light
🗿
thorn shale
"0 stack in it" you realize almost every single person who's commented have played at a high level of comp and have been effected by these crashes in actually important games?
winter swallow
@chilly hemlock the issue was with Void probably being thrown off due to losing the first game following server issues.
thorn shale
@manic carbon I guess ya havent taken part in that last one enough to know the struggle
winter swallow
Plus given ossues in first fixture covered by Amaunet - maybe PURPL wouldn't even have made grand final.
chilly hemlock
I’m sorry but adversity is part of comp. We’ve gotten red racked twice in a game before. Being able to keep a cool head is part of this
manic carbon
@thorn shale got rage at someone who cares kiddo
winter swallow
We don't know. Theres to many variables. A redo is fair.
thorn shale
The only thing I'm remotely close to raging at is WG server issues
@manic carbon maybe this isnt the place to be in for you if you feel attacked
manic carbon
Just u raging
winter swallow
@chilly hemlock - and the first match is definitely invalid.
chilly hemlock
I said that
vagrant phoenix
A redo in such circumstances as today really isn't ideal, and all top echelon participants can attest to that.
lilac lichen
owo
winter swallow
But the whole top4 process and eliminations are invalidated due to the same issue before.
thorn shale
the second match was clearly for purple, 1st match could have gone either way. WG saying to just redo everything is another example of how little thought they put into these "solutions"
winter swallow
In the first match as covered by amaunet. - @thorn shale - the whole redo is needed because there was also a server issue in the first match. So all subsequent matches may have been affected.
WG's Tournament staff actually listened to our input and made an informed, balanced decision.
The server issues are as much their fault as they are ours.
I think they've made the right call.
vagrant phoenix
But on today? No. On same maps? No thanks.
winged anchor
How is a server issue our fault in even the slightest way again @winter swallow ???
winter swallow
And of course - peole can disagree with that. But I'd like to think my position is objective possible and has the best interests of a good competitve system at heart.
Frankly - I don't care who wins. But I want that win to be fairly won.
I agree the timing could be better.
The maps will always be an issue. Different maps? Unprepared. Same maps - strats compromised... etc.
@winged anchor it's not our fault. Equally nor is it the fault of WGs tournament staff....
The staff responsible for the servers on the other hand lol
winged anchor
I can agree if they have no say so in server arrangements. But they are employees of WGing so it’s quite natural to lay the brunt in their direction
winter swallow
Natural in the scope of human irrationality yes.
winged anchor
Of course let us hope they are raising a fuss and I don’t mean with vodka
winter swallow
@winged anchor do you work at a large private multi national company witj around 5000 employees spread out across a dozen offices?
Expecting community staff (tournament organisers) at a non executive level to have any bearing, from Minsk, over server operations in another continent... pfffft. Really?
winged anchor
I understand your point. But the server problems seem to be never ending. For a game we invest so much time in we are bound to vent some frustration
limpid steeple
Servers on a update night 👀
oak lodge
@winter swallow I even had my ping 100+ than usual with my LTE, Its generally 100-150 but yesterday was around 240-290 during the matches
flat goblet
The support for tournaments on NA is lacking. A complete redo could have been avoided if there was some sort of tournament organizer online and watching, prepared to fix issues. Furthermore, this would rectify the issue where streamers don’t get invites to stream. WG simply doesn’t have a dedicated tourney support team/person for NA at least.
timber grotto
^^^^ also it’s not like this is a new issue
tall python
the support for NA in general is lacking lmfao. there have been server issues for 2 months and after every update they get worse. the fact that it took a stream for them to finally realize what is going on is pathetic. these issues should have been addressed and fixed long ago. it’s truly unacceptable for issues to go unnoticed and unfixed this long.
brazen thunder
Well it happened
chilly hemlock
Imagine if this happened during the pro season
pallid raven
... 2 months later during a pro season ... Omg it's lagging grrrrr
This is how I think functioning people react when they are angry ^
mental yarrow
servers are still lagging, I guess all we can do is hope. Right? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
winged anchor
Lol. The name tho
gloomy hamlet
Lmao
foggy torrent
I still haven't gotten a game where everyone crashes out
I guess since my internet is already omega aids it doesn't effect me
mental yarrow
My first game this morning both teams got disconnected except for me
foggy torrent
Lol that's a fat rip
silver vapor
😂
mighty isle
So when do we get prizes for tonight
silver vapor
Lol maybe no prizes at all
oblique lion
Smh
chilly hemlock
oblique lion
Top echelon should’ve got like 15k gold tbh
chilly hemlock
@pale finch
oblique lion
And up the prize pool prot tour
mighty isle
I agree
silver vapor
@oblique lion then the pro tour should scale up as well. There is no way that I'm receiving less than 100k credits for 2 weeks of pro tour round robin
And I guess this is sort of the resort that NA teams are seeking to hopefully get some sort of say into wargaming's decision making
leaden belfry
then you've really missed the message, Maddox
if your server would be crashing repeatedly, midst finals, you wouldn't be happy either
thorn shale
@proper kraken mans making himself look like shrek
leaden belfry
play nice
silver vapor
But I think the ultimate thing that is the problem is that wargaming's backline staff are not proactive at all in these kinds of server issues. They just have the Frontline staff deal with it constantly when they are the ones that should be really the ones moving to get those things done
proper kraken
yeah ya corn on the cob!!!
acoustic zodiac
😂
thorn shale
LOL
modest narwhal
😄
vivid orbit
:v
leaden belfry
@silver vapor very likely the case, but imo that's not an excuse for the state of the servers. I think that the initiative of these four clans is really good - and I hope Wargaming takes note and fixes the NA servers
modest narwhal
I will say only this for tonight's tournament " JAJAJAJA"
silver vapor
Not really just NA, their presence in other servers are really nonexistent as well, it's just that their production server picked the worst time to act up and tick this bomb up
terse perch
owo
silver vapor
@humble sun I don't see any point in tier 5,7,9 tournaments. In fact I don't really see much point in tier 6,8 tournament either since those levels are in no way competitive at all
proper kraken
yeah!! what amaunet said!!! free the people!!
terse perch
All Na clans are Op
modest narwhal
WG plz make tier 1 tournaments... should be great
leaden belfry
#bringbackms-1
modest narwhal
😂
proper kraken
yeah tanks!!!! woohoo!!!
thorn shale
honestly if youre too lazy to fix your servers just give us our ms1 back
modest narwhal
JAJAJAJAJA @thorn shale
Today's tournament battes were like Regular battles... i mean in terms of time... all finished in 30sec or less 👌
mental yarrow
Next time Wg shouldn't schedule a tournament same time as our clan wide RVR tourney ¯_(ツ)_/¯
modest narwhal
😂 😂
oak lodge
Well done wargaming. Ruining NA server!
proper kraken
@mental yarrow rvr over family
silver vapor
Tbh I don't think this would be any where near our solution, since the ones that are our Target is still locked behind wargaming's protection of their Frontline staff, and likely just going to have another normal day at his or her office as if nothing have happened today
signal lagoon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tall python
so we should instead just play along and let the server ruin not only tournaments, but the game itself for all of us? just let them do the same thing like nothing is wrong? come on man. a stand needed to be made. maybe it won’t do anything, but SOMETHING has to happen and if they don’t do anything then why even play the game.
proper kraken
@tall python well spoken my son
toxic lintel
^
modest narwhal
😂
silver vapor
I am only pointing out the most possible outcome. I could be wrong. I never said nothing should be done from our side, it's just that I personally don't have any good reason to do it just yet. Maybe someday if this incident happens on Asia, I might do the same as you guys.
proper kraken
it been happening so i dont expect you to understand our frustration
chilly hemlock
Don’t you always complain that wg doesn’t care about Asia?
Na just showed that the clans can all stand together against what they deem to be wrong
That’s more than you can say
thorn shale
if i remember correctly it was you who was complaining that feast deserved a custom clan logo after twister? @silver vapor
chilly hemlock
You are free to do whatever you want. As are we. And na just told wg that they can’t just make decisions for us without talking to us
silver vapor
@chilly hemlock yes, but nothing as serious as what has happened on NA recently, obviously. But players getting locked out of their accounts (not during tournament time) and some levels of server lag does not seem good enough of a reason to start boycotting anything, at least not on my side
tall python
there have been server issues for 2+ months and they have only gotten worse. not one word from WG that would fix the problem, nor have they done anything that would help (obviously). this isn’t an argument between players, this is the community vs WG. we should stand together so that they hopefully do something in spite of the events over the last few days. something needs to change.
silver vapor
@thorn shale that's my personal issue with wargaming. Nothing at a server level where I can gather people to make any difference
modest narwhal
Something must be made... and honestly what we've seen was tremendous and beautiful action in democratic way (in my opinion). NA competitive community were together to send a CLEAR message and the message was VERY clear. Hats off for you guys that made it happen today. 👏 👏
rose grove
👏
smoky notch
hats off to y'all
modest narwhal
👏
proper kraken
@smoky notch squidward
smoky notch
hey auszaa lol
rose grove
is the sqids
pastel rivet
wg op server
proper kraken
thats a bold move cotton, lets see if it pays off
silver vapor
I don't know. Perhaps I am sort of jealous of NA's community being recognized, or perhaps is just that I feel that my opinion as a Asian server player here has been heavily ignored and disrespected.
Either way, I don't have the influence in anything in this server, let it be Asia or this discord server, or the community as a whole.
oblique lion
@silver vapor I said that as well, 4th place in pro tour should not be equal to winning top echelon considering it’s legit 5 places ahead of top echelon champions honestly smh
silver vapor
The prizing is sometimes a joke I agree
oblique lion
Honestly tho really this is ludicrous if u NA blokes haven’t had ur server fixed after ages and ages of server issues that you’ve reported before like u guys honestly have the right to be even more upset that u currently are imo
chilly hemlock
@oblique lion what do you think #570204768857882624 are?
silver vapor
A black hole where issues are reported but not really fixed or something?
candid cobalt
A place where people still think server issues are considered bugs within the game?
abstract cloak
hey does anyone here have the challenger avatar?
mental yarrow
negator
silver vapor
@abstract cloak it's buried somewhere up there but WG say that you are going to get it by the end of this week
mental yarrow
"By Saturday" - Rexy
abstract cloak
dang i just wanted a cool new avatar quick so that i can change my kangaroo one
silver vapor
Pro Avatar is the ultimate Avatar 😆
abstract cloak
Its too much of one color
silver vapor
Isn't the Challenger Avatar the same? 🤔
thorn shale
It's just silver with leaves on it
silver vapor
thorn shale
Lol I hoped that the servers would get fixed a month ago but here we are
silver vapor
Idk what you are hoping for tbh, this is wargaming we are talking about
abstract cloak
well that too 😂😂
thorn shale
Yeah that avatar was probably found on Google ngl
abstract cloak
something at least a bit more vibrant than just slap one color scheme on it
thorn shale
Didnt even make the leaves a different color smh my head
silver vapor
This question has been bugging me a bit, but why don't they just use the medal that you are given (season diamond order) as the Avatar directly?
abstract cloak
yeah even that looks better
smoky notch
You see, that would make too much sense. We can't have that now, can we?
abstract cloak
😂😂
limpid steeple
I mean who long did it take them to fix such vehicles like the Cruiser IV & A-20 with their auto cannons
flat goblet
low tiers are traditionally garbage in both WoT games
mighty isle
Hard to worry about tank balence at any tier when NA is literally unplayable
smoky notch
I liked Cruiser IV though....
Cruiser IV + T-46 are the best t3 tanks change my mind
sleek yew
.....if only
vital obsidian
@leaden belfry great job being there showing how we feel. Thank you and thanks to the na team for all efforts.
faint scaffoldBOT
kaczol youtube#8932 was muted
thorn shale
i dont know what you guys are talking about...the servers where perfect
chilly terrace
Captains of teams in Top Echelon Championship on NA, please, check up direct messages in the game client.
alpine adder
@silver vapor I don’t think it’s only WGs fault that Asia is largely ignored, it’s also the community. It’s much less interactive and smaller. A lot of the good players rarely communicate. And nobody wants to step into the professionals arena. It’s just really not that competitive, not that active or interactive. And nowhere as good either.
The language barrier again comes into play. There’s probably more reasons too. But that’s one of em.
That is also reflected in the tournament participation. There’s barely any except for the few select teams.
south charm
@chilly terrace i dont have any messages
thorn shale
i think it is just for NA? ._. idk
chilly terrace
@south charm It's just for NA. I've edited my previous message.
silver vapor
I guess everyone is sort of upset, let it be NA and Wargaming
limpid steeple
I forwarded your message to my captain who made the team @chilly terrace
thorn shale
Just out of curiosity , was it a message acknowledging their valid points ? @chilly terrace Or was it a message that punished them for their boycott
silver vapor
we never know unless the captains themselves decided to disclose them ¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly terrace
@thorn shale I've just requested their discord accounts
thorn shale
Does that mean there will be any action by WG to try to implement their comments ?
limpid steeple
@fresh acorn is the one you'll be talking to for the PURPL UV team @chilly terrace
chilly terrace
@thorn shale It means that I requested their discord accounts
silver vapor
my guess is just to "settle" this incident, rather than to address what we have been talking about - aka Server Stability
winter swallow
I don't know WG's position on the NA TEC Top 4 statement - but I believe that the statement is fair, balanced and respectful (to all parties). I, in whatever capacity I have as part of this community, endorse their intent and the statement as a whole.
Honestly, the statement was clearly very well thought through, and it was objective. It was mature, professional and aiming to improve outcomes for all, without casting anyone in a bad light.
As an action, it serves to demonstrate the strength of our community and the passion that players have for the wonderful WoTB.
Could it have been done better? Maybe, I don't know. I'm not privy to all the DMs and communications between the parties concerned. However, it's certainly good enough to have my support and I hope for a unified conclusion between WG and the players.
As a gentle reminder to all, please do bare in mind that our dedicated tournament staff (amazing though they are) aren't responsible for nor able to immediately fix issues such as server stability etc. - also, please remember these guys work for a BIG company, and doubtlessly have their own myriad pressures to contend with. I agree with their decision to rerun the NA Top 4, but the timing could have been better. As someone who sees a little bit behind the scenes, I'd like to say that the tournament staff (Rexy, Knopka, Oscar) put in A LOT of hard work for the community and that we should all remember that when we interact with them here on Discord.
Rolling.
Also, @leaden belfry delivered it very well.
leaden belfry
Thanks, and fully agree with what you said
Especially the last paragraph. Our staff is amazing
signal harbor
Lowkey just wanna know what happens to rewards lol
silver vapor
@signal harbor you mean the avatar? Rexy said that all prizes will be acquired before Saturday this week iirc
pale finch
Inb4 the teams that boycotted last nights games will be punished
mental yarrow
@signal harbor Every team got 4th place
silver vapor
@pale finch I wouldn't be surprised since they missed the tournament and this is high level tournament, seeing how you would lose some part of the prize if you miss games during the professional tournaments
signal harbor
I just want more than 900 gold tbh but wtv
signal harbor
yes I’m a poor boi
limpid steeple
We went over this that 700 gold wasn't important enough to play with the servers how they are
silver vapor
If I can exchange a chance to change Wargaming with 700 gold - I'd be using all of my 7k gold rn
winter swallow
Tournament prizes = not worth the time spent to earn them. Minimum wage in Malta for example is €4.20 (blazin') per hour. You could work a few hours as a shop assistant and just buy the Gold.... rather than playing LORD KNOWS HOW MANY HOURS IN ASCENT TOURNAMENTS etc. for 900 Gold if you win the Top Echelon. Big IF btw.
Even professionals tournament prize money is below minimum wage all things considered....
silver vapor
or at least get Wargaming to listen our opinion for 700 gold each time
limpid steeple
Miss the old tournaments where you could make a decent amount of credits & gold if you won your games first place
signal harbor
I tried to console myself with the credits but then I realised that I can’t really do much with 90 million credits
silver vapor
@limpid steeple Apparently the tournament staff doesn't like letting us farm "excessive" credits in tournaments
pale finch
@winter swallow yeah it’s amazing, I make more working 3 days than I do if I would win the prof tourney
winged anchor
I kinda like the idea where pro players play in separate tournaments and aren’t allowed in others
silver vapor
Blitz prizing have a long way to catch up to minimum wage
tranquil seal
rewards in Blitz are massively few comapred to Mercenaries (console)
silver vapor
I guess we are all just addicted at this game at this stage when we are talking about making a living out of this game
limpid steeple
If I remember correctly in a month of playing with the old prizeing for a single player on a 1st place team came out to roughly 2500 or more gold
leaden belfry
Whatever message they're sending these teamcaptain, it won't be about bans. It's all been done very respectfully and I think that if they started swinging that hammer the whole of the community would fall over them
signal harbor
I don’t even need to make a living but literally one camo certificate is a bit of a whack
pale finch
The boycott is the best initiative that’s been taken in a while, when someone got me up to date about it last night I had no doubts regarding wether I supported it or not
leaden belfry
At most they won't get prizes and the teams have basically said that whatever wg does regarding this tournament is fine by them as they just want it over with
silver vapor
yeah I agree it's sort of done for the greater good
leaden belfry
Main thing is that this hopefully gets wargaming to go look at the server issue and work hard on fixing it 🤷♀️
limpid steeple
Yes I play these currently tournaments for the "Good prizeing"
leaden belfry
I understood that the server crashed three times yesterday - and that was just in the period of time the player that told me was playing
Pretty sure that if this happened on EU or, heaven forbid, on RU, the servers would be fixed yesterday
limpid steeple
Perks of second smallest major server 👌
leaden belfry
😂
silver vapor
Asia is so small that you don't hear about issues - because no one speaks about them
silver vapor
that's what's sad about Asia tbh
what makes me jealous in a sense
leaden belfry
You did earn your rights to play tournaments back, so it's not all bad
silver vapor
wdym "rights to play tournaments"
I've snuck in a lot of QTs recently so it isn't all that bad
thorn shale
Perhaps meaning that they allowed Asia to play in the twister cup and also the prof tourny when last year they removed Asia from the prof tourny
silver vapor
I am still sort of triggered about this Custom Clan Logo issue
thorn shale
While it's unfortunate that Asia missed that it is better that Asia was at least allowed to participate in the major tournaments
silver vapor
but not as important as what NA is going through right now, since it's not just about my clan, but as the entire scene as a whole, since it could be the decider that whether our tournaments in the future will be played in a super broken server or stable server
if we really want, this can escalate up a bit more just to have Wargaming to ensure server stability - but that's something for the future I guess
limpid steeple
Inb4 at the very end of update notes
client stability has been improved
thorn shale
If there was RU clans doing a similar boycott then WG would have reacted much faster
silver vapor
in the end, Wargaming doesn't think it's worth changing for small servers such as NA and Asia
I guess that's an issue in itself imo
leaden belfry
It isn't right that different servers get different things, that's certain
Such as RU having a lot more events with a lot more stuff, generally
toxic lintel
Wg so far has reacted how we expected, they are reaching out to the captains on discord probably to speak with them about what needs to be done.
leaden belfry
But NA doesn't just have that - they have a hardware issue
Oof. How are you proceeding, @toxic lintel?
toxic lintel
Well nothing meaningful has happened quite yet so I’m just chilling lol @leaden belfry
leaden belfry
Pm'd you 😁
noble dragon
old days where you could make decent amount of credits and gold? @limpid steeple bruh credits was good but it was usually around 17-18 gold back then
limpid steeple
It was a bit more but better than what you can have the option to earn now
noble dragon
Mmmm not really
silver vapor
nowadays the only good earning source is gold series I think
vital obsidian
EU had their share of server lags. Ascent tour teams got one day prem as compensation
silver vapor
Asia have our share of server issues - our professional players cannot login their account - only a few days after the professionals ended
abstract cloak
but again, its your own separate issues that is not as bad as the NA server crashing at least 3 times every single day
bleak crypt
The tourney rewards need to be increased tbh
silver vapor
does it mean it's NOT an issue? think again @abstract cloak
I mean, it can easily happen to NA server as well, given how much attention Wargaming actually gives to their servers in these areas
bleak crypt
You’re playing ascent tournaments every Wednesday and Saturday for at least 2 hours every day for the past 1 and a half months and hope that your team is placed in the top 8 of top echelon tour,and then 3 days straight for the top echelon tournament and your rewards are literally 1 rare camo and <1000 gold and barely 1.5mil credits
1.5mil credits can be grinded literally in 15 battles with prem time on in a tier 8 premium tank
abstract cloak
I never said it wasnt an issue for you
when did i ever say that
silver vapor
@bleak crypt Tournaments are not an alternative way to earn credits, and you already got quite a lot from ascent tournaments while grinding cups if I am correct. I do agree it need a bit of bumping up, but it's not as bad as it seems
abstract cloak
you've just never been given the opportunity to speak out in Asia
or rather you were but no one took the chance
silver vapor
I took the chance, but what 1 voice can do? @abstract cloak now there are probably more E7 guys here - but still no anvil
abstract cloak
and when was that
bleak crypt
The last chance tournament prize was better then top echelon imo
silver vapor
you didn't notice, that's the point lol
abstract cloak
NA has our own fair of streams that can occasionally be interesting
no one really cares about asia and thats a problem
silver vapor
that shows how much you did care about what I were complaining
bleak crypt
@silver vapor which tournament is better tho? Top echelon vs Last chance
silver vapor
Last chance does earn you a bit more credits, but Top echelon gets you gold and avatar to flex around with
bleak crypt
Too bad the avatar isn’t still here yet lmao
silver vapor
tho you can still argue that pro avatar is the better flexing avatar
you guys should be receiving your avatar by this saturday
bleak crypt
This is so sad
thorn shale
pfff i flex with no avatar
chilly hemlock
@silver vapor one voice doesn’t do much from a serial complainer
silver vapor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I can see why I get stripped my community helper role away - being neglected with tons of complains under my belt
silver vapor
shows how much this place care once again? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
this is probably better renamed "NA and EU only" since no one really cares about Asia server in any scale anyway
leaden belfry
@silver vapor you know exactly why you got stripped of that title and you even admitted to understanding why we had it removed
It has nothing to do with what server you're from and everything with the behaviour you showed. You weren't the first to lose the community helper role because of behaviour, either.
bleak crypt
@leaden belfry guess what
We renamed both of our guys who weren’t Disney princesses, so now literally everyone in our team is now a Disney princess
signal harbor
Wait what
leaden belfry
I am so proud of you guys. Fully approve!!
You guys are epic
Who were the lucky princesses chosen? Jasmine? Snowwhite?
Moana? 😍
signal harbor
Uh jasmine and merida
signal harbor
There’s a moana but didn’t play owo
bleak crypt
Yes
thorn shale
since when is olaf a disney princess
signal harbor
Good question
bleak crypt
Technically his suppose to be my slave
Wait
Is this legal?
thorn shale
deport him
bleak crypt
How can you do this to a cute snowman
thorn shale
idk ._.
bleak crypt
U don’t
silver vapor
@leaden belfry I am just going to be honest and probably a bit of a confession here, my behavior was mostly a result of people ignoring my opinions and my complaints at the game (as shown by quite a few of my warns that were given to me after I was provoked by various people or even moderators because they ignore or try to put me off because of my tendency to complain about stuff)
signal harbor
Maddox typing an essay
silver vapor
I am not totally blaming my behavior or that, ofc, I am just trying to show how much I've complaint in the past, and how much trouble I've received for complaining that much
leaden belfry
I know that, but that is a reason, not an excuse, imo, for said behaviour 😅
I just wanted to set it straight because the way you voiced it it seemed like you put being from Asia server as a reason why you were removed from the role
silver vapor
The fact that my complaints and opinions gets ignored or disrespected is the reason why i don't feel like I have any reason to respect the rules here anymore
leaden belfry
By all means, complain all you want - civilly 😂 I quite enjoy your rants and though I think it's a little pessimistic, you do have a point most often
silver vapor
I was trying to do it civilly until people have proven to be not really even care about my complaints or opinions anymore
leaden belfry
When people only see the negative side of someone, they generally then to stop listening. And I think that's what's happened here
Because most of your interaction here is about things that are wrong with the game, the server and whatnot
silver vapor
and why was I keep complaining about what's wrong with the game? because I care, and I am possibly the only one in Asia server who care enough to be on this server to complain about it
I guess that's still too negative for you everyone here ¯_(ツ)_/¯
leaden belfry
I know that, but you seem to be doing little else. And that's what I think is why people respond that way 😅
You're not the only one, but you're definitely the most vocal one 😂
I complain a lot too, but I also talk about a lot of other stuff on here. And that's what I meant with that they see -only- this side of you, and not the rest of you
I hope that makes sense
brazen thunder
What's this boycott stuff
leaden belfry
The four teams that were supposed to battle it out yesterday in the Top Echelon boycotted the match to raise awareness for the massive server issues NA has
brazen thunder
yes
void can't stand bs no more
modest narwhal
Amaunet 😊
leaden belfry
😁
oak veldt
owo cool storyyy
leaden belfry
So instead of streaming battles, I read their statement on stream =)
silver vapor
cool story - but if this happens on Asia - none of the teams would have the ability to make everyone in the same tournament boycott it - sad facts
oak veldt
facts facts facts
leaden belfry
That is a community issue though.. But I hope that if that ever happens, Asia will also let themselves be heard in some way
silver vapor
I could possibly nudge E7 to help a bit, but no way I can convince LSA and ACT-1
thorn shale
facts facts facts
oak veldt
i mean like just pull ur weeb side out and talk to them in jap maddox
silver vapor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
abstract cloak
help me onii chan
silver vapor
LSA would be the hardest to get them to follow if that was the case - ACT-1 is possible because we do know each other a bit
oak veldt
ask act1 to tell them then jap community is a close knit bunch
silver vapor
actually on second thoughts, E7 might just pull a meme on me and ditch my request
oak veldt
lmao not ruling that out
silver vapor
abstract cloak
we're not
silver vapor
that's what It feels like
abstract cloak
but going back to what i was saying
everything that's been done(which is almost nonexistent) starts to come full circle to the smaller servers in a negative way
oak veldt
is this maddox trying to make memes owo
bleak crypt
Go away you snowman
thorn shale
#Maddox4Minsk
abstract cloak
it impacts you but the asia servee ain't doing anything about it except for you
silver vapor
^^ that's exactly what is happening but I ain't stopping
abstract cloak
and less of a crap is given about asia than na and that says quite a lot
silver vapor
^^ and that's how I felt hence the meme about myself
bleak crypt
Asia is just sad because not a lot of people speak the same language thus making communication difficult for everyone
abstract cloak
literally everthing about it is unintentionally making everything difficult
silver vapor
like, whenever I talk about some specific issue about Asia, someone would come and go like "but NA is ........"
abstract cloak
its more or less just the language barrier that's the main problem
oak veldt
its more like asia is split into 5 grps lol
english clans ,chinese clans,koreans,japs, indos
bleak crypt
True
abstract cloak
and australians like babuska
oak veldt
and occasional viet
bleak crypt
NUB reveal
silver vapor
out of the 5 groups, we step into like 3.25 groups (I have a bit of Japanese contacts, while quite a bit of our members are Indonesians), but that's about as far as we got into
abstract cloak
i'll be taking care of some business now good luck in your endeavors
oak veldt
butbut maddox u have ramen
silver vapor
but he isn't even active within the Korean community iirc
thorn shale
he is a fake
silver vapor
he is more into the clan than his own language community I think
oak veldt
smh fake korean. theres always kampon. kampons a nice bloke
silver vapor
:doubt:
thorn shale
X
silver vapor
whenever you talk about kampon it gives me flashbacks about the first thing he said right after the Twister Grand Finals
thorn shale
what did he say lol :3
silver vapor
don't even lol
thorn shale
lol
signal harbor
No you could ask us but then we’d somehow find a way to make a joke out of it
silver vapor
that's what I meant @signal harbor, also that was like 40 messages ago
signal harbor
Sorry I’m disabled
silver vapor
@oak veldt you snowman memes that are not tournament related do not go here
oak veldt
kampon sent it
signal harbor
Feast setup for twister online
silver vapor
ew why iphone
screen way too smol
alpine adder
Lmao
signal harbor
It’s not mine but still iphone is supreme in terms of performance
bleak crypt
Only the real pros play on iPhones
oak veldt
im disappointed that u think im not a sincere dude and joke about everything smh mean maddox 😦 @silver vapor
silver vapor
smh my head
alpine adder
@silver vapor i read the chat from before, don’t really care what they say. I agree with how vocal you are and what you say. But sadly, the issues won’t be fixed any time soon.
oak veldt
play wotb on controller like 12yo pixelrage reveal
alpine adder
iPad best device ok
bleak crypt
@oak veldt issok I still like like you just because I’m Elsa
Wait
Is this legal?
thorn shale
yes
alpine adder
He’s not an animals so yes? Pretty sure they both 18+
oak veldt
no we arnt smh
signal harbor
Actually no real pros have $2000 in peripherals for a MacBook Air
thorn shale
this guy tryna flex omg stop pls
silver vapor
@alpine adder I mean, the most basic thing Asia can really do, is to come here and spam more often - so I am not the only one complaining
alpine adder
I meant Olaf and Elsa. And I meant touch devices not nub PCs that can’t be used for tournaments.
@silver vapor I tried. I don’t know how you keep it up. It got too tiring for me after the first few days of not being listened to. Asia is like the underdeveloped province of a corrupt country that they don’t care about and don’t show.
@signal harbor when I start flexxin u gunna be cryin so shhh
silver vapor
well, next time we can drag these E7 memes along with us
signal harbor
Smh
bleak crypt
Outstanding move
oak veldt
smh how am i meme smh
alpine adder
Yes I’ll call my Cats memes too.
bleak crypt
Smh
signal harbor
Only cos knat way before that with speedy y’all tryhard af
alpine adder
Speedy? Who speedy?
signal harbor
Imagine not knowing your own clan history better than outside members smh
bleak crypt
Ono
alpine adder
CATS were memes before Knat. K. We used to do the 7 one tank stuff all the time. You guys didn’t exist how’d you know. Also I’ve been in cats since all the drama. The only tournament I didn’t play with them was the first one they ever played. But I wasn’t there when it was created.
thorn shale
oof
signal harbor
Uhh we existed in GU4RD with cats 2016-2017 tho
alpine adder
but yes. Cats was try hard when Todd was leader, ever since I’m leader we’ve been memes mostly. And I only became leader in 2018 I think
silver vapor
oof oof history time
graceful jetty
SH4FT reveal
signal harbor
Tbt AFTER ticket saga
bleak crypt
7 tank memes aren’t dank as the memes we have
alpine adder
GU4RD osht that existed I forgot. And mulan. No shaft revealing. Please.
oak veldt
uhhhhhh at tis point can i just say that i was rejected by SH4FT in 2015 smh
graceful jetty
Hold on spoiler alert
silver vapor
shaft is a history
signal harbor
Nah dude OM3GA true top clan Asia server smh
alpine adder
We know it’s small but no need to rub it in. Also don’t battle us with memes smh, memes are supposed to unite.
graceful jetty
Its what happened AFTER
thorn shale
yeet om3galul
alpine adder
No RW better what u mean. Om3galul second best only.
oak veldt
om3ga lul da gud old days
signal harbor
I like how I was in FEAST for 3 weeks but no one remembers
silver vapor
om3ga was fun while it lasted - we had to move away from that business
thorn shale
i dont remember sorry
mental yarrow
Mustn't have been a memorable 3 weeks
alpine adder
It’s veds fault.
signal harbor
X doubt
oak veldt
i rmbr noob i was the dude that pmed u to welcome u smh@signal harbor
bleak crypt
Lol
silver vapor
lmao
alpine adder
I remember when I joined cats everyone tried to get me kicked because I was walking toxicity
bleak crypt
Meanwhile me, still in NA
signal harbor
Rerolling*
oak veldt
i rmbr when i was in feast i just got abused everyday for liking penguins smh
alpine adder
I still am but people have gotten used to the radiations
bleak crypt
@oak veldt wats the difference we just abuse you for being a penguin now
signal harbor
toadblock97
oak veldt
people actually send pictures of penguins getting killed and all and tagged me to all of em
alpine adder
Y’all need snowmen
signal harbor
Isn’t it worse for u now pongi
graceful jetty
No we need dank memes
alpine adder
It gets worst for him everyday. And knat leave E7 it will automatically become dank
signal harbor
Can I just take credit for every single long lasting dank meme in E7
bleak crypt
No
alpine adder
No.
oak veldt
can i just leave and make d7 an actual thing smh
graceful jetty
signal harbor
Smh Disney my idea and I made half the server population start saying pongi
alpine adder
I feel like someone is about to say something here accidentally that will get them a mute. Also good meme.
oak veldt
uhhhhhh they were calling me pingu b4 anyways so eh
thorn shale
i will always recognise pongi as pingu
signal harbor
ono I have failed I should just kms
alpine adder
And me as Pon-not-straight.
bleak crypt
Ethan the dankest meme is pongay
alpine adder
Don’t say that wg will ban
signal harbor
Banning for a name smh
oak veldt
thats google who made it smh
graceful jetty
Surely not. That would be as outrageous as someone getting permabanned for madgames
winged anchor
Non of this is tournament related
thorn shale
i just realised this is wg server
alpine adder
Ikr been trying to tell you guys
oak veldt
o snap i tot feast server lmao smh
signal harbor
No it’s ok I’ll link this back to tournaments we missed pro tour because we got banned for madgames lmao
thorn shale
better run now before its too late
silver vapor
lmao
alpine adder
Go to cats server or something to meme don’t die here
signal harbor
Why not feast General
oak veldt
missed pro tourn and 3v3 tourn*
bleak crypt
3v3 tour E7 won k
graceful jetty
The other team tho..
The big sad
signal harbor
Smh our team was better
bleak crypt
Tragic
leaden belfry
Dudes.. This is not #blitz-memes, cussing is a no no, it's also not the complain about which server is neglected most-channel.
alpine adder
3v3 tour never happened tho?
leaden belfry
I'll not warn for what I saw, but I will mute if I see more of it
oak veldt
@alpine adder smh move to cats server smh
signal harbor
Ye ok
alpine adder
Yes ma’am. Let’s go
bleak crypt
Ok
leaden belfry
=)
bold yarrow
What did I miss?
silver vapor
you missed one of Asia server players' biggest conversation in this server ever
oak veldt
yes one that lasted about 40mins
mental yarrow
Most active we've seen Asia in about 3 years
oak veldt
nice
leaden belfry
How does this relate to tournaments? (#lastwarning)
silver vapor
back on topic, Here's a few things that I'm interested about tournaments
-
Recent QT has a tendency to give repeated maps on consecutive tours (e.g. Tour 1 and tour 2 both having rockfield, or weirder cases with tour 1,2 and 4 all having 1 common map), is there any reason for that kind of maps being chosen or is it just random? are there any plans to change such mechanism?
-
as we can see from NA server's recent server issues, will Wargaming suggest a new way of rescheduling tournaments/ or better mechanisms for improving player experience within tournaments (for example having tournament battle taking place at a special environment that can be accessed to regardless of the public server status?)
-
As demonstrated from the transition from last year's Twister Season to This year's Spring Season, the map pool has changed, some maps that are alright are taken out, and replaced with maps that aren't the best, is there any reason for this change? and will the map pool be changed seeing that we just ended spring season?
I know this is nothing urgent but I still like to have some insights on what the plans and reasonings are @chilly terrace
fickle light
I'd keep Himmelsdorf out of the pool
oak veldt
Boi i hate himmels so much smh
eager aurora
Get rockfield out :v
thorn shale
Black gheyville
silver vapor
I personally dislike BGV and Middleburg
chilly terrace
@silver vapor
- It's just a random. Maps from list are set randomly for each tour. That's why you can meet the same map on different tours. We are not going to change this mechanism.
- Unfortunately, it's impossible to avoid replaying matches at all. Our system improves every day, but you should understand that sometimes technical issues can be occurred.
- The map pool is changed based on statistic of each map. If it shows that map is not suitable for tournament, this map is removed. We collect statistic all the time and if map pool require changes, we will implement them.
burnt ingot
Put mines in map rotations! 😂
fathom tiger
Pls
thorn shale
"Our system improves every day" lmaoo
burnt ingot
Lol^
green sierra
@chilly terrace will we ever have ability to make tournaments in training rooms, etc to participate everyone pays 100k credits and winner gets 70%, 2nd place 25% and 3rd place 5% of credits that where collected during registration
crisp shore
Yamato Harbor is a bad map?? 😮
magic bay
Allow pc for twister please :v
chilly hemlock
Uh. It’s a mobile game. So that a no I’m pretty sure
thorn shale
I dont like that wotb support pc.
magic bay
https://gyazo.com/35573c8e284579d49003ea10b7d2a677
top 50 on steam charts cant be called a mobile game anymore
On good days top 20
https://gyazo.com/6e09091239e7662876e74a2503db4494
And it keeps growing on pc
eternal breach
@green sierra that would basically be a money laundering scheme
thorn shale
On pc is so better play, you have more option, like you can aim 2x, 4x even if you not spot tank. Thats not fair at all, bcs all good player know on map where are camp TD.
tacit quartz
EU had sever lag and only ascent tour teams got one day of premium as compensation? Yet NA has been having server crashes and lag issues for the past two months and nothing???
thorn shale
Hahah nice one
tacit quartz
Seems fishy
lusty kernel
@thorn shale it would be too much buttons on it. Just look how packed the hud already is
thorn shale
Yeah
tacit quartz
Game breaking? I don’t see how there’s been several days of crashes where you can’t even get into game or where 75% if not more crash out of the game and constant lag spikes and packet loss aren’t game breaking.
foggy torrent
^
chilly hemlock
I think he means only the final day disconnected people
foggy torrent
Game rn is 150 at minimum and 300 as a constant
chilly hemlock
We were on 200-250 ping during the time of the make up tournament 😂
foggy torrent
I consider 150 to be my max as a functional player
After that I can't adapt to the massive shell lag and skips
chilly hemlock
The streams were really funny though
Both amaunet and rolling
They were starting to see people push and were like here we go!
Wait. No one is shooting
Why aren’t they shooting?
Are they lagging? Am I lagging?
That was a great angle at it
Psych everyone is lagging
tacit quartz
@low badger the problem is bigger than issues happening during tourneys or streams. I can count at least 3 separate days on non-tourney days where the game would crash and people wouldn’t be able to log in. And other occasions where you could get in game but there’d be bugs like people not being able to move their turrets so it was a rush to see who could get to cap first or be required to ram everyone. This is on top of the increased lag and ghost shells server wide.
foggy torrent
I haven't gotten a single ghost shell tbh
tacit quartz
Count your blessings. I’ve heard from several they have
foggy torrent
1,2,3,4,5,.....10 mmmm that's it
Anyone else want a tournament where there are specific requirements to meet. Example: 2 heavies 3 meds 1 light and 1 to. Or a HP pool cap
fathom tiger
nah im cool
tacit quartz
@low badger I mean that’s an slight issue. But I’m sure most players and most pro teams could care less about a single day of premium as compensation.
foggy torrent
A single day of premium? That's like a whole tier 8 grind
tacit quartz
It’s nice but at the end of the day it’s ehh
foggy torrent
Server failure for 1
Anyone on a tournament team being kicked out of a match due to a server side problem
tacit quartz
I mean periodic little lag spikes are whatever. That happens and I agree shouldn’t be compensated. But when there’s been days where servers crash or where you cant shoot and have to ram then that’s annoying
foggy torrent
Time
tacit quartz
It’s been longer than a game. Not just a one game issue. There’s been whole nights that have been unplayable
foggy torrent
Extended periods of lag
vital obsidian
what i dont understand is why it can be so difficult to understand, if a game is annoying it will in the end lead to players escape. No company can keep it up in to long run if players get too pissed. So hope you na guys get your servers running and the game gets on back on its feet
foggy torrent
100% agree
tacit quartz
And what about the premium time that we lose?
It’d not just one or two people lagging or game crashing. It’s server wide
foggy torrent
Look ^^^^
vital obsidian
if game is unpleasant and no compensation players get annoyed and will eventually leave.
foggy torrent
Like honestly give me 1k gold for a week of server down and I'd be happy
I feel like they should if it's for an hour, like give a small amount of premium time or gold per hour server down
tall python
if everyone is effected by server issues, then everyone should be compensated something.
naive crane
Hi
tall python
the server crashed and people couldn’t play. why should people only with premium time be compensated? that’s like saying people without premium don’t matter lol. everyone should get equal compensation regardless of who has what
i’m not just talking about giving back premium time. i’m just talking about compensation in general. if it effects everyone, then everyone should be compensated equally
vital obsidian
compensation or not a game that is not working is unplayable
tacit quartz
I personally do and have/had premium during all of these instances of non playable regardless of tourney days or not. It’s a monetary loss regardless of how much time we have or how much we lose. If we didn’t have premium time then yes there’s no point in compensation. Sure time in game can be spent later for non premium but a loss in time is a loss for premium owners who paid for that time.
If you bought a week of tv subscription but your provider was down for 4 of the 7 days would you think that’d be a problem?
Alright well if you’d like to continue this we can in dm’s instead of filling this chat. I’ve no problem with your opinions so I’m just engaging in the conversation
atomic tartan
Imagine still being alive enough to do tournaments
timber grotto
Imagine still playing blitz
runic forge
Imagine Having Servers Mess Up the Tournament
winter swallow
Stable servers should be a core premise of any game that is entirely online.
Especially during a major tournament series. I feel really bad for NA after hearing about all these issues they are having.
signal harbor
Watttt challenger avatar only for 90 days ;-; or am I alr late
graceful jetty
Is pro avatar permanent?
signal harbor
Just madgames banned things
tender tundra
Top echelon avatar only for 90 days?
graceful jetty
Not even that dude... Surely challenger and pro avatar should be made permanent... I didnt spend 2 months to flex for 3
fervent oak
signal harbor
Who u^
tender tundra
Scam much?
dim pivot
This is dumb
graceful jetty
Petition for WG to make challenger avatar permanent..
@dim pivot pro is perm right?
dim pivot
That avatar shud be permanent just like pro avatar
thorn shale
Pro avatar is permanent yes
tender tundra
Wow...
What a scam honestly, work for 2 months for a 3 month avatar that doesnt even look good. No effort put into making it and its not even perm
signal harbor
I feel vaguely cheated... literally one certificate for camo and a temporary avatar and it’s not like they can’t make in game rewards more substantial than that it’s not actual money
dim pivot
it may a bug or something, u can hope
green sierra
No challenger should not be permanent because just like Diamond league avatar lasts for one season challenger should last also 1 season
tender tundra
My 2018 Twister professional camos worth more
signal harbor
^^over here is someone who didn’t actually play echelon tournaments
tender tundra
and that was last year and @green sierra why would you even say that if you didnt play
Honestly, WG keeps adding rewards to tourneys like twister but cant even give us rewards that reflect how we worked for 2 months. Sad.
graceful jetty
@green sierra lol diamond league avatar lasts for 1 season of ratings.. How many seasons of ratings have been there so far?
mental yarrow
lmao why is the challenger avatar temporary
signal harbor
Just sad boi things
green sierra
What @graceful jetty
graceful jetty
This is no laughing matter. Smhing my head this is ridiculous
mental yarrow
over a month of tournaments for a temp avatar. I feel scammed
jajaja
calm atlas
Only for 90 days, why not permanently?
signal harbor
At this moment, pixel feels the same emotion LSA does after throwing away a win despite 2-0ing the same team in the same tourney twice before losing to beach on Normandy
tender tundra
@green sierra still wanna argue that it should be temp? Here we see teams from all servers complaining
graceful jetty
An event avatar is permanent but an avatar given to the top 4 teams of an official tournament isnt?
Shows how much WG really cares about their tournament players
bold yarrow
tender tundra
Honestly, if I played another game 5 years ago that isnt wotb and i become pro. I would be making tons of money. But since this is wotb, i dont even get a perm avatar. You could say my prof camo is perm, but legit no one knows about the camo and who would go and look at a camo in a match.
mental yarrow
I guess I can give WG the benefit of the doubt and assume it's not actually a 90 day reward
tender tundra
Also ive been twister finalist twice, why does this medal not stack? Questionable really.
signal harbor
Weird flex but ok
silver vapor
I just saw that temp challenger avatar 🤣
tender tundra
Even the ascent medal stacks wtf
thorn shale
i hope pro avatar becomes temp so i can laugh
silver vapor
once professional - forever professional 🤣
signal harbor
I just want more free camos tbh
mental yarrow
@silver vapor Hurry up and make CWA a thing so we can get free camo
thorn shale
yes
signal harbor
It’s too late I’ve already aged 30 years waiting for CWA mods to do something
alpine socket
900 gold, 1.4mln, Avatar (90days), 1 camouflage - best rewards ever
calm atlas
Nice meme
tranquil seal
this must be a joke honestly
pastel tartan
yea
tender tundra
Does WG even care enough to read this chat?
pastel tartan
and the 5-8 get worse rewards than in middle or part even lower echelon
thorn shale
hahahaha
pastel tartan
wasnt even worth going for top in that sense
crisp shore
well should not have invested in tours🤔
tranquil seal
exactly
thorn shale
exactly
signal harbor
Disappointed but not surprised
tender tundra
^^ here we see a person who doesnt play and wants to join the convo
tranquil seal
most disappointing
but still, not surprising either
signal harbor
I feel ripped off
pastel tartan
i agree shocky
velvet dome
owo for asia server the lower echelon gets more gold than a team that finished 5th place
pastel tartan
yep,coz 5th-8 doesnt even get any gold
tender tundra
If WG ever wonders why your old player base is missing? Just look at your tourney rewards. Stop caring about selling OP prems or collector tanks that requires trump's bank account and maybe start doing stuff that your players actually like.
velvet dome
and they din even play those matches
bold yarrow
@velvet dome and Fun fact is that only 2 teams played in lower echelon
pastel tartan
just stupidly unfair that is
graceful jetty
Do we tag WG mods or what?
signal harbor
It’s not even that unprofitable most of these players are the ones that buy all the prems anyway
tender tundra
I honestly swear asia should all just go for lower echelon from now. What even is the point
velvet dome
i mean sure, shit on asia for being so small, but same time and effort put in u know
pastel tartan
working your ass of for a avatar that isnt even perm and getting laughable reward for that
tranquil seal
not worth it
crisp shore
i feel being joked at☹
graceful jetty
Its really not just asia.. Every servers lower echelon teams got more then 5-8 top echelon.
So dont complain it happened cause its asia because it didnt
fervent oak
what a joke
pastel tartan
the thing,we didnt even know what u would get from the echelon tour so we could have considerd to just not do it
tender tundra
Can we @ a wg mod
velvet dome
i offer up as tribute for tag
thorn shale
tag one no balls
signal harbor
We wholly support you Zeus
pastel tartan
because honestly,many used up way more in those months than we got back in terms of credits
fervent oak
might as well tag a mod
graceful jetty
@chilly terrace will the challenger avatar continue to be temporary?
signal harbor
Actually nah dude I got 30 million credits out of this so I’m not complaining besides avatar and camo
tender tundra
stuff it @chilly terrace can you please elaborate on the below average awards for top echelon tournaments?
velvet dome
@chilly terrace can we get some explaination on the logic for the reward system for the ascent tournament rewards. Cause its insulting.
pastel tartan
i got pretty much nothing even tho we were playing like what,2 months?
tender tundra
2 months for a temp avatar and 1 camo
velvet dome
600k credits after confirming we were 5th?
signal harbor
Uh oh triple tag
pastel tartan
we didnt even get a camo in 5-8 thats the funny part
tranquil seal
and i dont think its any more than a prank to insult your competitive playerbase
tender tundra
Smh all just go play another game at this rate
signal harbor
Google I dare you to return your M60
crisp shore
I might as well go back to play Halo multiplayer🤔
tender tundra
I'll return all my prems
signal harbor
No
pastel tartan
@tender tundra top echelon 5-8 didnt even got a camo even tho its stated in the news tab
dim pivot
Jajajaja ascents rewards r insulting?
I got less than 100k credits from professional
tender tundra
@pastel tartan sad honestly
thorn shale
I got negative credits @dim pivot -5mil
velvet dome
we even had 4 points, the better teams got thru in the end
tender tundra
@dim pivot at least you have something you can keep forever
pastel tartan
big big ripoff,could've done more productive stuff than working for basically nothing
dim pivot
@tender tundra tru dat
pastel tartan
i could've grinded like 5 tier X instead of wasting time there
tender tundra
These 2 camos are the only good thing i got out of all the years of comp wotb
dim pivot
I mean, most of us get that u dont want tournaments to become a replacement for random battles (to get credits) but these rewarda r way way way below par
silver vapor
reeeeee months of effort for 90 days avatar
pastel tartan
sad part,i even say rexy tipyig,but then suddenly stopping
tranquil seal
and thats fair enough
but guys this is real bullshit
tender tundra
Yes ikr
signal harbor
Not even credits tho the credits are actually more than enuf but 1 camo is quite [Redacted]
crisp shore
Anyway why would tournament matches be a replacement of random matches in the first place when you need to grind tanks anyway...
crude ferry
i need clans
velvet dome
where my camo for 5th place
signal harbor
Where’s my more than one camo
dim pivot
@crisp shore old tournaments gave so much gold and credits, ppl dint need to grind too much
pastel tartan
zeus 5-8gets no camo
dim pivot
And grinding exp is ez, grinding creds is the hard part, but tournaments were a good replacement back then for credit grinding
velvet dome
ik, but y though, i could have gone to middle echelon, won it, and actually get a camo
oak veldt
no camo in middle smh