I really grinded for weeks for a lucky spin and bought one with 20000 gold just to get two 200k free XP from both of them
#tourneys-discussion
narrow meteor
eternal breach
F
thorn shale
Hey free xp is nice 😄
manic pewter
I got 200k freexp from spin 👀
eternal breach
yeah im def not complaining about the m60. I was pretty happy when I got it.
narrow meteor
Not when you have anything to use it on TJ
manic pewter
One of our members had a bug that spin stopped to chieftain but he got gravedigger 😂
narrow meteor
Was probably one of the saddest moments of my life, next to Steve Irwin dying
eternal breach
also free xp is ez to get. Just get boosters and 5xp. Its like 2k per match at tier X
fathom tiger
600k free exp from 5 spins
flat goblet
F
fathom tiger
Used total of 2million free exp on crates
low badger
@dry flint most fair comp game is overwatch
dry flint
Probably. I don’t know, only comp I’ve played or watched is blitz. 💀
ruby lake
Hoi
topaz charm
Blitz is already lacking in competitive gaming as new players need to grind tanks for T10 CW first. Once they have all t10 techtree tanks in about lets say 3-5 years the game is already dead because competitive gaming is filled with enriched/collector jibbajabba garbage that they cannot use, but enemy can.
Two examples:
T-22 Medium
Like a T-62A, but with more gun depression, even better turret armour, even better frontal armour and crazy sidearmour. With practically the same gun and mobility.
Why use 62A or 140 when you have a tank that is first of all flat out better than the onces it is competing with and 2nd of all rare tank that a lot of players have not experienced to fight against it? -Seriously no reason.
And how would you obtain this particular vehicle? -Paid 400£ last Christmas and have not seen it eversince.
So if you did not have a random spare 400£ last Christmas and you would need it to play CW in proffassionals this spring, how to get it? -You can't.
AMX 30B
Is there a similiar vehicle? Well STB has 10° of gun depression, but the gun is utter garbage and mobility is not good, can't forget that the armour on the turret is not even nearly as good as the 30B's. Also leo has the gun and mobility, though no armour and gun depression is not the same, leo is also a massive tank when compared.
How do I get it? -With luck. Seen ppl spent 400-600£ on it and nothing.
So basically if you have that random 400£ again laying around, you could try, but would you get it? -Perhaps not.
And if you live in Belgium you won't be able to get it either way as crates are banned there by law.
Sound fair?
If you think this is fair. You should ask yourself why would the other team be entitled to have and use a tank that is either:
A. flat out better than the tech tree versions
B. Unique that it cannot really be replaced by a tech tree vehicle as it does not share enough similarities with them.
CreativeCommons
Grumbly
Good night...
eternal breach
ok how is the amx 30b op? The gun has a little bit less pen and the ROF is garbage
topaz charm
@eternal breach When did I say that it is OP? Never said that any of these tanks are OP...🤔 🤔
eternal breach
u make it sound as if its OP
wait btw how do the crates work in Belgium? Like can you just not buy them like how does the store look like In belgium?
topaz charm
Also can't forget that T-22 was sold at BLITZFAIR lol.
@eternal breach I am just pointing out that the tank does have similar vehicles, but it does most of the things better than any tank in the techtree.
There simply is no crates in Belgium.
but gn
Also that was just the story's short version. Full novel out this week
flat goblet
To say that blitz competitive suffers mostly because of premium vehicles is a big lie and extremely narrow sighted
obsidian vine
facts
eternal breach
tbh T9 would be a better tier overall for competitive IMO. Its way better balanced
flat goblet
It’s a lot less normalized
eternal breach
I mean I feel t9 has more defined tank roles without any dominant tank.
flat goblet
Eh
narrow meteor
@eternal breach Tier 9 really doesn’t show the skill you use as a team
Gun handling is crappy
eternal breach
funnily enough I dont get that feeling. However thats coz I spam the batchat 25 AP in pub matchees which has better gun handling than the t10 batchat
atomic tartan
Lets not argue over whether or not the T-22 is better than the other Soviet meds or not. Focus on the rental system to fix access to it instead.
median mantle
I think u can buy crates in Belgium....
Another solution would be to sell it for reasonable price. @atomic tartan most CW players would be ready to make this investment
atomic tartan
While we're here arguing for equal access and how some people can't afford the $$$, we'll just see this issue rise up again over $1.
Generally the people that don't spend in this game spend $0 and will stay at $0, and the people that do spend in this game spend a lot
thorn shale
$400 for a tank and $1 is a massive difference, idk about you....
atomic tartan
it is not. they're both monetary values attached to access to tank in game, the issue being argued is that certain tanks are behind a paywall, and that people should not have to pay real money for a tank in tourneys. a pound or a grand is still money going in
this is an ideological issue, not one of being able to pay or not.
thorn shale
You must be extremely rich if you think $400 is not much different from $1. The real issue is how high that pay wall is, not that it exists in the first place. If they sell tanks for $40 for tier ten instead, it would fix everything
atomic tartan
no. then you'll just have people complaining about not having $40.
people either spend absolutely nothing or they spend a lot.
thorn shale
Only a very few select people can afford $400, $40 is much more reasonable and less people would complain
atomic tartan
that doesn't solve the ideological issue. injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere
thorn shale
It won't solve it, but it makes it much more fair
atomic tartan
the paywall, while lowered, still exists. and that is an issue that can be solved right here. why are you against it?
thorn shale
If they could remove the paywall completely, I'm for it. However, I'd rather have the price lowered if they refuse to change
atomic tartan
lets do plan A before plan B
median mantle
This channel is called tournament, so I assume we are speaking about the use of t22 in turneys and fairness. A solution would be for sure we could rent that tank. Another one would be we could by it for let’s say eur 40. No way I gamble money and spend 400 for it. 40 would be ok. Btw I don’t know any competitive team which would encompasses free to play players. Last solution would be ofc to ban premiums tanks from t10 tourneys
thorn shale
^ pretty much this. Also, I will refuse to buy any crates for badger if it will cost $200 or more
candid cobalt
Our team just won 8-0 in a tier 8 tournament :D
even against a 60%+ team
formal jetty
The problem with the price dropping as low as 40e is that randoms will be filled with it and the people who did spend 500e won't be happy cause they paid for the tanks rarity.
viscid python
It's not that T-22 or any other collector at tier 10 is OP. What We should be thinking is what we want in future.
Rn it seems that there will be a few new collectors every year. What you think will happen for comp. play when there is maaany tanks which most players, most importantly new players wont have access to them.
Blitz is going to have same destiny as WoT if this keeps going on.
Saying collectors isn't problem for competitive gaming is like saying ....
Idk. Something stupid.
Collectors are not problem ATM. But they will be if we wont prevent their usage. 100%.
And preventing is easier earlier we do it. Right ?
vital obsidian
Just nerf t22 and develop cw tank rental grg, problem solved.
Or develop system that stops too op tanks from being used in tours. There will always be some too op tanks until thry nerfed
Would be interesting to hear what path devs would prefer
Idk are they reading the stuff
viscid python
Easiest for WG is just prohibit using of collectors in CW.
Question is do they want to.
Or do they want to get a lot €€€ in short term or a looot €€€€ long term.
Coz competitive gaming is going to die if it goes to p2w and I believe that's end for a whole game
eternal breach
lol at competive ending being the end for the game. If I had a choice I would have never let comp come into game. It ruined game balance by pushing tank balance towards an absurd 55 to 65%
vital obsidian
The end of the game has been the issue last 2 years now, I dont think there will be any sudden death and mby wg is listening a bit more nowdays, lesson learnt from spare part mess
⚙️
toxic lintel
^^^ as long as they listen sooner rather than later
winter swallow
From what I have heard (informally/anecdotally), the SP debacle was a decision changed due to negative impacts on revenue their end.
Given that Tier X competitive players represent a VERY small percentage of overall server populations, I doubt the anti-T22 camp constitute a counter balance compared to the pro-T22/ambivalent masses.
Also just for perspective, for Blitz, Russia is the only server that matters opinion wise in terms of player count. IDK about revenue perp layer though -
lol @ 50% average player count drop EU since start of the year facepalm
I wonder how tournaments affect this / if they at all?
topaz charm
I think they won't matter. The premium's have gone outrageous since is3 defender introduction
flat goblet
Would be nice for tier X, tier 8 is lost cause at this point.
winter swallow
is7 defender. Now there's an idea...
arctic axle
Stop giving WG great ideas as they will make them bad
winter swallow
Is it a better idea than a 183 defender though?
arctic axle
nah
winter swallow
40s drum reload. 3 shots. 10s reload between shots in the clip.
alpha reduced to 800 AP and 1200 HESH.
pale finch
Imagine being able to one-clip a Maus
arctic axle
40s is too much. Give it a 5 sec clip reload with 1 sec between the three shells and give it maus armor meanwhile adding Dracula mobility and giving it a fully rotatable turret which can still carry the 183 mm
winter swallow
@pale finch one bounce and you are scuppered though.
glass thunder
183 now its so bad maybe the worst tier x after wz tier x td
pale finch
The 113-G is not bad
glass thunder
but hard to play with i mean why play on it and not 268 or 263 its just a worst 268 still can do well
pale finch
I think it’s really good in some positions, for sure
glass thunder
in some yes because of dpm so if you are in good place and you can farm you will do well on it i have 3300 avg damage on it but i find it hard to play with i mean i can do more on 268 and its not that hard
idk if it's fair to comparewith 268 but in all positions 268 better than wz 113-g fake tank
pale finch
Nah 268 isn’t as good in all positions, not even close
glass thunder
maybe
pale finch
Facts
pale finch
Oh btw impressive with 3.3k in that tank, only know one player who’s done higher @glass thunder
eternal breach
183 is the worst tier X td but people still play it for the memez. Id say it should have a massive credit coefficient nerf
atomic tartan
3.3k for #2 in a tier 10 TD? Tank must be pretty awful...
glass thunder
@pale finch thx, vodka from fbi and the honor got more
thorn shale
hi!
dry flint
@pale finch heyo
pale finch
@dry flint sup?
dry flint
Just saw your name and wanted to say what’s good lol. I’m almost finished with the tier 9 WZ. Worth buying the tier X?
pale finch
I mean from what I have heard and what I've seen when using it in CW I think it is, we've used it a few times in prof and it's been really solid. According to Mo, who plays it when we have one he says it's like an E3 for city areas ( for peaking around corners etc ) armor is kinda trollish and you get quite a few bounces on it frontally.
dry flint
Nice. The traverse speeds look pretty decent. And I love the tier 9, so if they’re similar I’m definitely going to cop
pale finch
Personally I have not played it though so can't give a proper opinion about it
Isn't it the same traverse speed as the 268? If so it should be pretty good
dry flint
Oh what. It’s 2 degrees slower on base traverse. Actually that’s a rip lol
Hmm, besides armor the tier 9 has better traverse and aim time. Interesting.
pale finch
Yeah the tier 9 needs a nerf for sure
A lot of people who's played it says it's really OP
obsidian vine
the tier 9 is great my dudes
dry flint
It bullies the living 💩 out of tier 8s
obsidian vine
ye
pale finch
It is great lol, I don't know how you can view is as mediocre, even worse how someone can consider it to be bad.
vital obsidian
🤷♀️ all have their taste, right ?
fathom tiger
Some just have better taste than others
¯_(ツ)_/¯
green plover
some tanks fit positions better
pale finch
There are some and there will probably be more in the future when people has figured out the use of it, it took many tanks a while to get used properly.
thorn shale
Our Chaos team used a WZ-1131G-FT to great effect on Fort Despair against PNCR
pale finch
We've used it 3 times I think so far, will be more occassions as the tournament goes on I'm sure.
keen oar
I mean the tier 10 selection have became quite similar to the tier 10 medium selection after foch and wz joined the party
dry flint
Imagine STRV in blitz without overmatch mechanics :3
fathom tiger
I bet you mean something else than that tier 6 thingy
vital obsidian
Would wz replace foch or be a supplement (like is4/113)
winter swallow
ola - I cannot speak Spanish
glass thunder
@vital obsidian for me tier 9 wz td best tier 9 td i think because that armor work vs tier 8 and 9
manic pike
Test
vital obsidian
I like foch far more.. and t9 dont usually work in any tour anyways
fathom tiger
Wt auf best tier 9 td
winter swallow
T30 or bust.
I had a base 2640 XP game in it once...
Anyways - any preductions for tomorrows games?
pale finch
We lose everything 😎 @winter swallow
thorn shale
I have a few EU and Asia predictions .
R2K and -1- to win both games .Eros to win both games and beat Raid 3-2.
For Asia
TBT to win both games
ID to win both games
FEAST to win both games
glass thunder
@thorn shale r2k will play vs -1- so one of them will lose 1 game
thorn shale
@glass thunder Tomorrow ? That's not what it shows in the tournament client
It says -1- have hapky and ez
silver vapor
Feast winning both games huh 🤔
thorn shale
I think you guys will beat tn_mn because of the previous result you had with them (I expect it to be close though ) and also because 101AD has been on a really bad form and I think you'll beat them
silver vapor
I am not sure about 101AD games tbh, but for TNMN I am more concerned about how the heck they lost to us but beating all other teams 😂
thorn shale
I think TMNM have also mathematically secured top 4 regardless so they may save strats
silver vapor
Yes technically TNMN and TBT is top 4 already
It just the bottom 6 having battle Royale and kicking each other out
thorn shale
Yep
I think XR will drop a few points and then it really depends on ID and Low
Because the head to head between feast, low and Id isn't equal so you can't tie with them
silver vapor
It's definitely interesting but same time pretty tough for us since all the big names are only here this time around, never even close to standard non-professional tournaments
thorn shale
I mean TBT , TN_MN ,LOW and you guys and play quite often
ID and XR suffered initally because of the new meta but they seem to have worked it out now , NUB and 101AD started well but haven't done well recently probably because ID and XR have adapted .
winter swallow
^ That's a pretty good theory about changing fortunes on Asia.
silver vapor
ID and XR but suffered from last year twister - XR sort of overcame but it's still rough for them (even though we proofed to fail against ID)
winter swallow
Thinking about it "mathematically" though, teams need to hit 7 wins to even be considered for tie-breaking into the top 4 cut. Given current score spread if a team hits 8 points they are auto into top 4 on Asia.
silver vapor
I am aiming to win all 4 of the remaining games since it's the only way to secure the top 4
vital obsidian
Top 4 eu?
winter swallow
Keep track of your head to head results. You may need to beat some opponents better than they beat you previously....
silver vapor
but I reckon the team has more to do with the loses (as in my team's team work and balance)
winter swallow
@vital obsidian Top 4 EU is almost set in stone looking at remaining fixtures - R-2-K should take 1st spot, EROS and RA1D will meet again to decide 2nd/3rd and then -1- will take 4th.
EZ- is technically scuppered I believe and -W1N- would need to win all 4 remaining fixtures.... which includes R2K EROS and RA1D.... (I think?)
Yeh just checked - it does.
vital obsidian
Okay looks pretty much as prediction before tour start
winter swallow
Wasn't easy for -1- though. But it does mean my EU predictions for order were almost perfect. Just EROS placed for 1st when likely coming 2nd/3rd lol
vital obsidian
For top4, not neccessarily their order
silver vapor
@winter swallow we are definitely going to lose against LOW and ID in case of tied scores - so can't really turn that result if it reaches that
winter swallow
@silver vapor you played them both x2 already?
silver vapor
yep - only can hope for them to fail for the remainder of the matches so we can step top 4
for ID we lost both 3-2 (dang it, could've won both ffs)
and for LOW we lose 3-0 but win 3-2
it still triggers me whenever I think about it
thorn shale
LOW has quite a high chance of dropping points considering they have to still face TBT and TNMN , ID only has TNMN left .
I think XRs performance will determine the top 4 since they have to vs feast , ID and low
winter swallow
Well, I would say there are technically 2 spots up for grabs on Asia. XR are only 1 point clear.
thorn shale
Yeah that's why the games XR have will probably decide the order
winter swallow
TBT and TN_MN should make the cut unless they lose ALL their remaining fixtures.
thorn shale
TNMN is already guaranteed I'm pretty sure
winter swallow
XR have LOW NUB FEAST and ID - if FEAST can beat XR it will dramatically up thier chances of making top 4.
thorn shale
Feast had a similar scenario in twister last year
winter swallow
TN_MN are currently 7-3, their wins are all very strong (3:0/3:1) so yes, they have a solid chance of making the cut.
thorn shale
They didn't do that well in the first week but in the 2nd week they performed much better which is kinda what it looks like now
winter swallow
-TBT- with 8-2 are through. Even if they lose all remaining fixtures, it is still highly likely they already in the top 4.
One more win guarantees a place in top 4 (9-5 record is place assured).
thorn shale
What happens in the case that their is a three way tie ? For 4th
winter swallow
WG will likely move start of top 4 and use 21st to hold tie breaker tie breaker games....
thorn shale
If per example FEAST , ID and LOW tied (hypothetical scores ) and feast beat ID , but ID beat low and Low beat feast
Ah I see
winter swallow
IDK format of such a tie-breaking scenario, but I imagine it would be a Double Elimination series or a mini round robin.
a 3 team RR is only 3 matches.
That in a Bo3 fits into one evening. Or a Bo5 at a squeeze. DE would be illogical actually.
thorn shale
I think they had a similar situation in the first twister cup
winter swallow
So in the case of a 3 way tie, maybe a mini RR. .... ooooorrrrrr, WG could look at cumulative rounds won/lost.
thorn shale
For Asia at least it was a single elimination in an extra round between the 3 teams
winter swallow
But it isn't covered in current tournament guidelinesas best I can see?
thorn shale
I haven't checked those guidelines so I'm not sure but your probably right
winter swallow
Single elimination doesn't make sense with 3 teams though? Who gets the free pass round 1?
thorn shale
It was first twister so I think it'll be different since then it was only bo1 .
BO3 Round robin is probably what WG would do but I think a BO5 would be better cause BO3 is too short
winter swallow
Bo5 would take 2.5 hours to complete.
I agree though, Bo5 is most logical. Just it's tricky from a scheduling point of view.
thorn shale
Yeah I feel like the prof tourny and twister qualifiers should also be BO5 but I understand the time argument
winter swallow
WG will cross that bridge if we get there. Certainly, only Asia is set for such a scenario but a number of separate factors need to happen to result in a 3 way tie lol
Ties in NA, EU and RU (if any happen) can go based on head to heads. If those are tied, a simple Bo5 deathmatch would be the best course.
For EU, this seems unlikely. For NA, we might see Chaos challenged by STR8 or PNCR (possible but needs a few upsets to occur) but Chaos wins the tie breakers in those instances. I'm not sure about RU.
thorn shale
I mean even outside that situation it is fairer in my opinion if for the qualifiers of major tournaments it's a BO5 (for the finals at least) just because it means that teams have a much greater and since the qualifiers are the only way to enter these tournaments it doesn't seem fair that 2 losses result in a team being eliminated .
If one team is bad at a certain map then they could lose both the first rounds but in a bo5 they have a chance to reverse that etc .
winter swallow
Yeah that ^ is universally agreed upon. Bo3 Grand Finals are not suitable. I strongly advocate for Bo5 (or higher) when teams are closely matched on skill. BUT - in early phases of strongest vs. weakest match making, Bo3 is an efficient filter that helps fit multiple fixtures into an evening.
I will communicate as much to WG at every opportunity that I may have.
silver vapor
anyway - keen to be able to smack the remaining 4 teams 🤔
winter swallow
It seems there a number of filters to tie break.
- Head to head results
- Total number of wins
- Round times
So with that in mind @thorn shale @silver vapor - I don't think there will be a group stage lol
Tie breakers can be resolved in line with the above. Also worth noting for you @leaden belfry
Total round duration seems like an absurd metric though...
Pulled above info from this link on forums: http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/51827-regulations-of-professionals-tournament/
leaden belfry
@winter swallow with all those parameters it's not likely we'll have a tiebreaker match =)
silver vapor
inb4 all games are 7 minutes and both teams lose 3-0 and win 3-0 once - and has the same number of wins and loses total
winter swallow
That would take some doing...
dreamy adder
Qualifiers group makers should depend on the number of battles & not only the WR which caused teams taking rerolls (some with not even a T10 played) to get better groups.
This results in weaker teams going to the top 8.
median mantle
Wanna give an exemple @dreamy adder
thorn shale
Em
dreamy adder
-UN1- taking a lot of rerolls & had probably a better rating than us & made them be a top team of their group & made H4PKY go over, even though I think we'd have done better.
As I heard, the group maker depends on the top 7 WR of the team (no matter the number of battles) & then select the others following this stronger - weaker principle
chilly terrace
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median mantle
Hum. As far as I know un1 didn’t qualify for top 8 while hapky did... @dreamy adder
dreamy adder
It's what I said
arctic axle
@chilly terrace will we still be able to receive the avatar from watching streams or is that suspended also?
chilly terrace
Also suspended
arctic axle
Ok. Thanks for the info
glass thunder
@dreamy adder i did say to wg its bad system they said no its good so who care they dont care about clans that did work a lot for big tournaments and in the end they didnt make it to top 8 like FBI this time or L1VE last twister that l1ve team had 65 wr team wr only but all players in last 90d days had more than 3k avg damage and more than 70 wr but still
if that mean somthing in cws will mean if you make new account and get 70 wr with your experiance (ez to get 70 wr after playing a lot ) better than keep playing in your old account they just want you to put money and make new account(cant make good stats with stock grind and 75 wr crews)
fathom tiger
our team wr is below 64
glass thunder
@fathom tiger and its better than 70 wr UN1 team but if you see last 90 days ir 30 days in your team its really good
fathom tiger
is there a place to see it? 👀
pale finch
Omg you don’t know blitzstars?????
fathom tiger
i didnt know there's a place in blitzstars i can see that
me dumb
and sad
pale finch
You have to check every player individually
fathom tiger
ahh that's what i thought
pale finch
@glass thunder is an example of a player with pretty meh stats but who’s actually really good speaking of the unfairness of best to worst win rate
fringe galleon
Should we all reroll because we are 64wr team ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fathom tiger
we already rerolled and ended up with a 64wr team ¯_(ツ)_/¯
glass thunder
@pale finch yes its could be in the player last performances they should keep the wr draw system but not all time stats
pale finch
Rerolling is probably the most pointless thing ever, if you’re good you’re good and that’s it
fringe galleon
Agree
fathom tiger
the only reason to reroll is to brag with career stats ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pale finch
I mean I know 70% players who are worse in clan wars than 60% players, stats are irrelevant when you look at CW performance
quartz garnet
The whole argument for me is I'm nearly 51%, and I've helped my clan cave face against 60 and 70%ers in tourneys. WR does not compute to likelyhood of victory. Sure, it shows you are skilled, but pubs are different than tournies
glass thunder
also the tournament draw is so meh uni got 70 avg wr because wg dont count number of battles and we got jannik with 79 wr so wr go up fast
green sierra
lol UN1 got rekt in ascent tours
winter swallow
A smart person could develop a formula to seed teams based on multiple factors - account WR, average damage, WN8 values, number of tournament games played, number of tournament matches (factored by respective "level") won etc.
BUT
This would be complex, and no matter how hard we try, there will always be a way to game an automated system.
vital obsidian
there are some real good cw clans with wr 55 but they work hard and have a op teamleader
winter swallow
There are lots of good teams with varied positive and negative statistics attached to them.
As a suggestion - WG could make an Ascent type tournament format to seed teams for qualifiers (?) - or rather, hold a "seeding tournament" --> Qualifiers Tournament --> Professionals Level Tournament (which is technically a qualifying format for an offline).
Rank. Qualify. Qualify. Offline.
vital obsidian
good idea @winter swallow
now the "qualifier" ascent extend several week after pro tour is over
winter swallow
Yeah exactly, Ascent is already a qualifying/seeding tournament for a more serious level top echelon championship.
vital obsidian
and why cannot pro clans be rated ...
winter swallow
So it could totally work as a semi functional clan rating system. Instead of meaningless tournaments, just make them feed into such a system lol
vital obsidian
exactly, and then the pro tour would take place in end of May instead of now when people has lots of exams
maybe next year 👌
atomic tartan
Winrate seeding is effective to a certain extent
But mostly only between 50% and 65%
A 50%er will bounce shots. A 65% will pen on dpm.
But after 65% its not very good. The difference between a 55% and 65% will be ability to shoot, but both the 65% and 75% will pen on dpm. Its on pub match strategy, which isn’t that relevant in comp
eternal breach
and then there is also platooning
wintry palm
Hola
pallid raven
Are the ascent tournament groups made by winrate?
green sierra
@pallid raven yup
pallid raven
then why are gneis the top of their group with 62% wr when we are second in our group by wr with 63%
green sierra
7 player with highest wr are calculated
pallid raven
ah ok
thorn shale
hi kak e
rigid sleet
glass thunder
@winter swallow ez to do
winter swallow
@glass thunder pls don’t tee me up like this for mother jokes. I can’t promise my willpower will last forever.
Also how goes Ascent habibi?
glass thunder
@winter swallow not bad im helping h1z1
winged saffron
Servers OP lol
winged anchor
Ya whatever
summer cave
Lucky u
winter swallow
Tours 11 and 12 tonight. Predictions across servers?
Asia.
Russia (btw was there a bug on CIS, it seems one match from Sunday hasn't been played yet @chilly terrace ?) - also good morning Rexy 😃
EU
silver vapor
TBT win LOW
XR win NUB
ID win 101AD
FEAST win TNMN
ID lose to XR
TBT win NUB
FEAST win 101AD
LOW lose to TNMN
My guess but should be close enough 🙃
winter swallow
NA -
silver vapor
darn those custom clan logos
winter swallow
Reign vs Eclipse will be a good game. The others pretty much call themselves though... except maybe STR8 vs. PNCR
rare cloud
winter swallow
Coins from streams have been stopped. If you watched previously on EU/RU you will receive full 1500 coins.
fathom tiger
Wdym, you havent gotten any twister coins watching professional's tournament so far
winter swallow
It seems WG have made a good compensatory move for those effected but have not been able to resolve the issue in time for the next streams. Good call their end IMO.
chilly terrace
@winter swallow All matches were played. One of them was not uploaded to the tournament portal, but we'll fix it soon.
winter swallow
Thanks for the update 😃
thorn shale
@winter swallow what’s your predictions for the NA games + who will make top 4? 👀
winter swallow
Reign -> Void -> Pramo -> Chaos (1 to 4 in that order) ... and I repdicted that before we even started though I think I ranked Pramo over Void.....
All NA fixtures tonight will play out as expected.
mental yarrow
inb4 STR8 boot out Chaos
vital obsidian
Must go buy 🍿
thorn shale
@mental yarrow will you be streaming anyone tonight?
mental yarrow
Yeah, I'm streaming void
winter swallow
Chaos will make top 4.
Chaos are 5-5, STR8 are 4-6 and PNCR are 3-7
Chaos have both teams on tie breakers so far.
Chaos still has HATED and -VON- to play.
and STR8 ... whilst STR8 will play Void and Pramo and PNCr and Chaos....
I'd bet $100 on Chaos making Top 4.
mental yarrow
Well I've already made a bet with Mav that VON will make top 4 so I'd be a mad man not to take that one as well
fathom tiger
was not when the bet was made
thorn shale
I c
pale finch
mistakes were made
winter swallow
-VON- can make Top 4 if they win 3/4 upcoming fixtures and both Chaos and PNCR bomb.
Objectively, that is very unlikely to happen.
mental yarrow
I believe in the 2% chance it could happen
winter swallow
2%?
Calculate odds of each fixture going the required way, and then multiply the fractions together. I think 2% is generous 😬
dim pivot
Pixel is a trending youtuber, he needs to splash his YouTube money somewhere
Thus, the bet
pale finch
None of that negative realism now Brian, let him live his dream @winter swallow
winter swallow
Negative realism? No, no no. All about that pragmatic reductionism.
pale finch
Pfft, might as well become a full-on nihilist.
thorn shale
Even if VON won every single game and beat chaos 3-0 and chaos loses every single round without winning a single game then VON would still lose since chaos would have won 20 games and von can only win a max of 19 games
oof
winter swallow
@thorn shale ... Chaos losing all matches finish 4-10 and if VON win all fixtures they end 8-6... it isn't calculated on indivdual rounds won but the series won....
Rounds are factored in only in the instances of tie breakers that can't be decided based on head to head results 😃
thorn shale
That is the third tie breaker
winter swallow
Plus still 4 more fixtures to play in total so maybe VON will end with higher rounds won count.
@pale finch optimistic nihilism - nothing matters, we all die eventually.
pessimistic nihilism - nothing matters, we all die eventually.
pale finch
Exactly, I have sadly taken 2 courses of philosophy and another 2 courses of psychology so I'm quite familiar with the terms
winter swallow
Tone is very important XD
thorn shale
@winter swallow Isn't it points first ?
winter swallow
Points first (series/fixtures won) : If tie breaker -> head to head results -> rounds won total -> match duration
thorn shale
Yeah so in that way VON can't go through no matter what
winter swallow
..... they can though....
thorn shale
Because their Rounds won total will be lower than chaos no matter what , because the total rounds thing is total games won according to the regulations
winter swallow
ah wait I am confusing STR8 and Chaos lol
Yes, VON are definitely out @thorn shale
STR8 could technically go through. Above I was referring to STR8. I'm tired already lol and this weekend I have 2 NA streams back to back ....
thorn shale
no one streaming ASIA today?
silver vapor
apparently no
silver vapor
lovely 🙃
thorn shale
Maddox upload the replays so we can stream it
thorn shale
Top 4 after first round of games
- TBT (9 Points)
- TMNM (7 points )
- XR (6 points )
- LOW (5 points )
- 101AD (5)
winter swallow
FEAST y ud live dangerous
silver vapor
ask my team who threw my hardwork into the ditch (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
silver vapor
darn it we could've easily won the port bay game and vineyard games (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
pale finch
leader
blames team
pick one
winter swallow
Fml.
thorn shale
Only TBT is guaranteed in the top 4 and first place as well
winter swallow
I will calculate who is winning the tie
silver vapor
it's a mess scene
thorn shale
If TMNM win one game tomorrow they are guaranteed to go through . If XR tie with Feast or 101Ad on points they won't make top 4 but feast can't be level with ID , 101AD or LOW .
winter swallow
FEAST needs double win tomorrow then
thorn shale
Yeah if feast win both games tomorrow , then they will be ahead of XR , and then even if 2 of ID , LOW and 101AD win 2 points (assuming TMNM lose both games ) then feast goes through in the top 4
silver vapor
I'm having second thoughts about my team's ability to win now
thorn shale
You know it's similar to twister last year where TBT in their last games will probably decide who goes through
slender harness
@thorn shale top4 after 2nd round of games
TBT = 10
TNMN = 7
XR = 6
The Rest = 5
winter swallow
Yep. Very exciting on Asia until the end. Great entertainment value in terms of suspense!
Is there any team on Asia not able to make top 4 cut?!?!
thorn shale
Nope
pallid raven
For the ascent tournament the groups should not be made just by win rate alone. We just play the same clan every week and it's getting boring
The ranking is also broken, because there are clan which are above us who we can easily beat or have beaten before , but as we never face them and they continue to get no competitive clan in their group they can easily rack up points
We might just stay adding rerolls If that is all it takes to get a different opponent
winter swallow
Adapt. Overcome. Improvise.
gentle sierra
😂
winter swallow
Just add low win rate accounts to your team and saunter through to glory.
median mantle
^^
winter swallow
Emphasis on the sauntering
green plover
No stream today for Asia :/
fathom tiger
Gotta get more streamers since eu streamers cannot always recover
winter swallow
I have double NA streams over the weekend. It is going to ruin me.
silver vapor
It was such a meme against 101AD I would prefer that to not be streamed 🤐
winter swallow
I'm sad I can't cover Void RGN tonight 😦
thorn shale
;-;
fathom tiger
Asia had their games already right?
winter swallow
aye
They play 1300 hrs CEST - Asia has last two tours tomorrow afternoon. IT IS VERY VERY CLOSE AND @silver vapor IS DEFINITELY NOT STRESSED.
silver vapor
😖
green plover
@winter swallow sucks u can’t stream us :/
winter swallow
I know. But I will need all my energy to cover the last day of the round robin and then the first part of the top 4 the night directly after lol
Not an easy choice tbh.
green plover
Rip
cobalt shell
Hi, why need this?
I found this which is nice, but.... What was wrong with the old way?
manic carbon
Really wgs? No coins for streams today? I’ve watched four days of live stream. One session worth of coins. Very tite. Thx wgs
azure void
And what can we do?
You send knopka a message
We mod the discord server not the game
chilly hemlock
Why @ us lol
thorn shale
moderating the messages here
azure void
She's on the server message her yourself
winged saffron
The stupidity level....
IT’S OVER 9000
azure void
And even if we could help.. "contact WG!!!"
Not even a please
If you had asked and not ordered us. One of us may have offered to help :)
But now...you are on your own
Good luck
winged saffron
OOF
azure void
Yes
gentle sierra
Lol
faint scaffoldBOT
testserver#6155 has been warned.
winged saffron
He’s back for more
winged saffron
9/10 he will say something to make it worse for him
azure void
Lol
candid cobalt
10/10 he still won't understand
winged saffron
He was probably typing something else then decided against it
winged saffron
Another 10 minute type session for “yes” or “no”
chilly hemlock
Lol
azure void
Lol
winged saffron
Maybe has a bunch of “hahaha” with it
azure void
My phone's on charge.. I have time
winged saffron
I might need a charger by the time it’s sent
azure void
93% 💪
manic carbon
Do u ever do tourney live streams @azure void ?
manic carbon
Ur in Europe rite?
azure void
I don't know why WG don't make tourneys at like 1am so it's easier for me
winged saffron
Lol
gentle sierra
😂
azure void
@thorn shale dude if what you are typing isn't at least 3 lines. I should kick u
winged saffron
It’s gonna be 2 and a half lines
chilly hemlock
Still typing?
azure void
Shall we now mute him
chilly hemlock
Must really be thinking about what to say
winged saffron
He has to have set something on his keyboard
azure void
His cat walking on it
winged saffron
Soon he’s gonna hit the 2k character limit or whatever it is
vital obsidian
What has this to do with tournaments?
fathom tiger
me sad
azure void
Anyone else still waiting?
winged saffron
I’m checking in every 10 minutes
compact harness
salut
vous savez quand on récupère l'avatar pour avoir regarder les lives 1H00 ?
green sierra
@winter swallow can you send screenshots of those charts and results
arctic axle
@azure void can you contact Ribble as the slowmode in #568515963063107594 is 6 hours
azure void
6 hours?
silver vapor
arctic axle
yeah @azure void
faint scaffoldBOT
[EMPFR] Bas3140_BM#7888 has been warned.
winter swallow
@green sierra I update now and send asap
compact harness
do you know when we get the avatar for watching 1H00 live? because I watched the live one hour, but I still do not have the avatar
PS: I did not express myself to put it back in french .. @azure void
azure void
I have no idea lol
compact harness
ho , ok 😦 thanx you for you'r help , and for the warn 😜 😢
winter swallow
Europe after Tour 12.
-1- and EZ- are tied on head to head results but -1- lead EZ- by a single round won (as the next tie breaking metric). Both teams still have 2 rounds to play. -1- have S0ULS and and R-2-k while EZ- have EROS and RA1D.... so on paper -1- have an easier last day of the Round Robin but it's still too close to call!
green sierra
rip H4PKY
winter swallow
hey they got 1 win in
silver vapor
darn, the EU games are pretty entertaining to watch - wished my team can play like that tbh
pale finch
wait brian help me out, if 2 teams are tied does win to loss ratio count then or the head to head results
winter swallow
R2K keeping it interesting with that loss @pale finch
OK - tiebreakers.
- Head to head results
- Head to head results by rounds won
- Total rounds won over all matches
- Some bull doodoo about match duration?
pale finch
so number 3 eventually for -1- and ez for fourth place, cheers
winter swallow
EZ- and -1- are tied on 1 and 2 atm, so -1- currently fourth based on 3.
But still 2 matches/series/fixtures left to play - - - btw, whichof those terms is best?
pale finch
yeah exactly, i hope -1- does the job by smashing souls and ez just get destroyed by er0s and ra1d 🙃
well -1- are better but with the account sharing going on in EZ- it makes them way more competitive 🙃
winter swallow
if -1- beat R-2-K EZ- would almost certainly be denied 4th. Or if R2K won like 3:2 that'd help lol
🌱 .... jk.
There is a chance that EZ- would beat either RA1D or EROS.
pale finch
and there is a chance that they will be disqualified for account sharing, which is the chance i hope for
silver vapor
account sharing? 🤔
pale finch
yeah, different people playing on the accounts of ez- in the tournament than the owners, which leads to disqualification and account ban according to the EULA
silver vapor
that's new
winged anchor
Doesn’t make any sense.
pale finch
That is of course if WG will bother checking the logs and stick to the rules they have made themselves
winged anchor
I know clans that keep accounts when friends quit to use in clan
silver vapor
I am guessing it will be a warn for them - probably too late by the time they received it
pale finch
Well according to the rules it leads to immediate disqualification and it's easy for WG to check through the logs, especially since it's reported now and I expect them to do their job, especially when money is involved
green sierra
@pale finch they did it today? Ik something similar happend last year
silver vapor
the thing is - why would you want to share accounts tho, there isn't any benefits from what I can see
pale finch
Yeah, Ahajdu_ was played by VALKR1E, Ahajdu is a friend of mine and I know that he couldn't play tonight because he was working
green sierra
Huh t22 med acc
winged anchor
The reason I can see this happening is because the clan holds some accounts with all the good tanks on them which they allow there players to use
pale finch
Yeah exactly that account @green sierra
green sierra
Yea poor guy, wg can easily get logs
winged anchor
I’m sorry. I couldn’t care less if it’s there rule. It should not make a difference. If t22 gives a major advantage then WGing needs to go look in some mirrors
pale finch
I mean they had 3-4 accounts played by people that doesn't own them tonight, it's easy for WG to look into and oh my I look forward to the outcome of this if WG does their job
Anyways, they've been informed and only time will tell
green sierra
xD your team is still 1st, EZ won today and its gonna make saturday games more interesting
pale finch
I hope ER0S and RA1D will do their job and absolutely SMASH EZ-, -1- should have a relatively easy battle against S0ULS which will put them ahead
silver vapor
looks like EU is pretty stable - it is clearly decided who will enter top 4.... on the other hand for Asia.... it's like a world war here - 1 Vietnamese team (NUB), 1 Korean team (-ID-), 1 English team (FEAST) , 2 Chinese teams (101AD and _LOW_) and possibly 1 Japanese team (XR) is fighting for the last 2 spots in top 4 ._.
silver vapor
I am just here stomping my feet and haunted for sleepless nights about the easy games that my team threw away ._.
pale finch
yes great leadership in constatntly blaming your team for everything that doesnt go the way you intend it to go
keen oar
@silver vapor lololol I gave up on my team but don’t tell them 😃
silver vapor
there isn't such option of "giving up on my team" for me, unfortunately or fortunately (depends on how you see it) ¯_(ツ)_/¯
keen oar
I mean, in an emotional sense you can give up on ur team, since u can change ur mind any sec
silver vapor
in that case I am just emotionally discouraged, I think 🤔
keen oar
I have been discouraged in playing this game ever since the failure of Operation free na from pramo last twister xd
winter swallow
Asia is an absolute series of expletives
in terms of trying to decide who is currently 4th......
green plover
You can’t blame your team for everything then expect to win....
keen oar
Haven’t watched any asia streams, but it’s probably one sided matches or same strats
remote python
@green plover hi
green plover
Hi @remote python
silver vapor
idk - maybe my expectations is too high as a mid-tier team?
winter swallow
Asia after 12
silver vapor
only 23 loses for FEAST? 🤔
atomic tartan
@green plover you can start blaming your team if they don’t get things right the first time, or even the fourth
winter swallow
TBT on form.
faint scaffoldBOT
Rico#5917 has been warned.
thorn shale
@spice geode we don’t do that here
spice geode
ye alright
silver vapor
but those loses is the major reason why we only have 5 points now ._.
winter swallow
spice geode
fyi that wasnt harassment;)
winter swallow
^ obo TJ. ^ - - - now excuse me, i need to transfer my conciousness to the 7th dimension to calculate who is 4th in Asia.
spice geode
anyways GGs tonight
silver vapor
I can only hope for all the other teams that are tied with us lose their games - and us winning all the remaining ones ._.
but this is going to be slightly tough that's for sure
green plover
@spice geode hi trapico
🙃
spice geode
hi
green plover
The games today were fantastic
fringe galleon
My friend told me that he was asked to play for EZ in prof tournament and they can give account 🙃 They should be disqualified immediately imo
silver vapor
oof
winter swallow
FEAST with 2 and -ID- with 2 are currently winning the 5 way. -ID- is beating FEAST on that tie-breaker. NUB have 2 other halves to convert into head to head victories but loses at this stage probably see a team out.
silver vapor
how the actual heck would you decide a winner here for 4-8th place tho
winter swallow
So TECHNICALLY -ID- is 4th and FEAST is 5th as far as I can determine.
WG can sort the rest. I will limit my focus to the Top 4 cut only for my sanity's sake....
silver vapor
let's leave the headache part to Wargaming - we focus on making the equation more difficult
winter swallow
TBT and TN_MN are through 100%
silver vapor
I do want to smack XR down though - if we get 2 wins and XR gets 1 or 0 the last day - it's possible imo
winter swallow
FEAST have a tough 2 series left to clear (TBT and XR). XR being 4-1 in 2nd half.
silver vapor
what I am concerned is whether TBT wants to seal us out of top 4 or not - they actually have the choice to play it safe or play it hardcore and slap us out
pale finch
Report them @fringe galleon i have done it already
manic pewter
Wasnt Ez the one who was trying to rig twister points with match fixing?
pale finch
They tried it now too they asked us to intentionally lose to them, they beat us anyways though 🙃
manic pewter
Really unsportsmanlike behavior.
pale finch
And they share accounts too, I think 3 or 4 accounts in their team tonight were played by people who doesn’t own them
manic pewter
Only way to get rid of that is to disqualify team who try to do that.
pale finch
They asked us last week to have one of our players playing for them, just like they asked you today. It’s simply disgusting.
winter swallow
Would encourage such discussion on another thread just in terms of tournament promotion etc.
spice geode
unluck
green sierra
give Zird role to see secret chat, best chat on this server
winter swallow
non soviet encourage btw
fathom tiger
I bet zird has enough games for veteran role
winter swallow
ofc he does
spice briar
When do you get veterans role?
winter swallow
fringe galleon
25k games and 55+ wr or something. I dont have 25k games because im noob
spice briar
@fringe galleon ok lol im noob too
fringe galleon
Feelsbadman
pale finch
I don’t have 25k battles either lol
fringe galleon
I go play randoms more i want to be veteran
silver vapor
is 25k battles that high?
winter swallow
CIS after Tour 12 (one game missing due to stat bug)
You WISH you hd C4's Win/loss ratio by rounds..... only team ovr all 4 servers tracked with a 12-0 record.
bold kettle
They've won 3 times in game 5
bold kettle
C4 have won 3 times in a game 5 situation
spice briar
in a tie breaker
winter swallow
o i c
spice briar
still 12 wins tho :) doesnt matter how many tie breakers
bold kettle
At the moment it doesn't matter. It will be relevant when we get to the final stage though. Should be some good games as always from RU
winter swallow
NA after Tour 10 -
Reign could overtake C4 win/loss record tonight.
HATED are the only winless team on the 4 servers tracked. 😔
@thorn shale @toxic lintel
silver vapor
what is that team anyways
winter swallow
Significantly out of its depth unfortunately.
Even H4PKY (good team nonetheless) on EU has 11 rounds under its belt.
Going 1-30 after 10 series is brutal.
thorn shale
Mhm..
thorn shale
@winter swallow Isn't the Asia Ranking a little different ? . Currently only NUB is ahead of every team beside feast on h2h wins for 4th , however feast is behind every other team for h2h wins . However NUB have also only played one round against LOW and ID .
1 - TBT (10)
2 - TMNM (7)
3. XR (6)
4. NUB (5) : H2H : 3-2 LOW , 3-1 ID , 4-3 101AD and 3-4 FEAST .
5. LOW (5) . H2H :4-3 101AD , 5-3 FEAST , 6-6 ID (Tied with them) , 2-3 NUB (The only team which is ahead of them .
5. ID (5 ) : H2H : 6-4 Feast , 6-3 101AD , 6-6 (LOW) , 1-3 NUB (Only team they aren't ahead of)
7. 101AD : on H2H : 6-3 FEAST , 3-4 LOW , 3-4 NUB ,3-4 ID .
8. FEAST : on H2H : 4-3 NUB , 3-5 LOW , 4 -6 ID , 3-6 101AD .
thorn shale
and probably low as well
silver vapor
XR need to stand against LOW (at current state XR should win), and hopefully NUB wins LOW - but it also means we need to win both as well
thorn shale
if XR wins both games , they are through . However if ID wins both they are also through
Depending on if TMNM wins one game
silver vapor
I am hoping that TNMN wipes both ID and 101AD
funny thing is that we are the only team that can consistently wipe TNMN 3-0 twice ._. yet we are here struggling against these teams
thorn shale
Hmmm ID have gotten better since the start I still expect them to lose against TMNM though
silver vapor
both ID matches could've been won - just silly mistakes in the way
thorn shale
I think NUB will lose both games tomorrow
silver vapor
I am actually hoping they win both
thorn shale
for feasts games im not sure TBT is the favourite against you but they are going through regardless , XR depends on how much they have changed
silver vapor
this is too much of a gamble tbh - the Asia scene is just such a big mess right now 😩
thorn shale
It could be another 6 point tie
silver vapor
if we didn't throw that badly in the start - everything could've been fixed tbh
thorn shale
Yeah but a lot of asian games have 3-2 ,I think a lot of teams would have been in a similar scenario
The points right now seem to be a fair distribution of quality . I mean TBT is the only team that has consistently performed .
silver vapor
the "C" in FEAST means consistency - which we don't have obviously
thorn shale
For some reason i think you guys will beat TBT like twister last time
silver vapor
that was totally by accident lol, and I was in half give up mode , because one of our key members was missing
and I was just testing out new strats (since I wasn't believing we are actually going to win in final points, but UQ threw so we went in)
thorn shale
UQs loss felt very strange that time , it was so against the state of play
silver vapor
idek anymore - but everything from that point in feels like a dream - which we are unable to replicate
tbh I was surprised we even made top 4 that season - considering us being a mid-spec team (personal skill is really not what we are made of)
and idek how the actual heck we smashed top 1 in the end
thorn shale
I feel like that situation may have been reversed this time , XR seem to have made quite a recovery from the first group week similar to feast . Though this depends on tomorrow
silver vapor
idk - If I can get my team back into 1 piece before tomorrow, that is
thorn shale
Asia is very strange in terms of tournaments , tactically its very weak compared to other servers .
silver vapor
Asia is known for the brawls and rushes
thorn shale
There is a lot of rushes and tactic based teams end up losing at times to teams which emphasise rushes . It's hard for tactical teams because of the rush based tactics .
silver vapor
now probably will be known for the inconsistency ._.
thorn shale
Against any other server asia will get smashed sadly
silver vapor
we are trying to be tactical but it's hard tbh - in the grounds full of rushes and brawls less skilled teams really need to think out of the Box
thorn shale
I'm pretty you guys are fine in terms of skill , I mean yes your wr is not as high but I think on recent stats its much closer
A lot of ID and XR don't play well or as much anymore as they used to due to their long breaks from the game .
silver vapor
unlike teams that have both skill and teamwork - we only have teamwork - and it's all pretty mashed up and from experience from the 2k tournament battles we invested in
trust me, look at my BlitzStars now, and you would throw up looking at my stats 😩
the only thing I have in terms of tournaments is my experience, that's about it. 2.2k battles worth
thorn shale
Yeah but that is quite an advantage as well over other teams since the consistent roster and the experience is also an advantage over teams without as much experience .
silver vapor
our roster changed a bit as well - our last twister cup team was mashed up, and we changed because they went slightly rusty - so our roster isn't fully stable
thorn shale
that's true
but still over other teams your experience in tournys is probably only matched by act 1
silver vapor
I really hope it settles from now on since every change to the roster can have a big impact
ACT-1 should've been in top 8 as well I think
but the grouping is just ridiculous as heck imo
thorn shale
they should have but I'm not sure which team they could have beaten instead to get in
signal lagoon
I'm waiting for Asia to go the path of PC Asia, and channel the inner rush meta
thorn shale
C4 have had a lot of roster changes yet surprisingly their performance is always pretty good regardless of the changes . I mean this twister half their team changed .
silver vapor
I am still unsure the path we want to take - follow the heavy rush meta or lighten up our lineups to play tactically
signal lagoon
Light rush meta reveal? inb4 7 batchats
thorn shale
It's hard on asia for lighter lineups though because of the heavy meta rn . Teams try it but get smashed because the server is so used to heavy lineups and teams have very little experience with med tactics
silver vapor
ohno - that would take too much skill to pull off - we don't have exactly that
signal lagoon
Although the transition to lighter setups can be done. NA used to be completely dominated by heavies and TDs, although at the upper levels, I think we're starting to see a shift to lighter setups
thorn shale
I mean RU seems to have completely moved to med based tactics for a while now , EU is light with a lot of 50bs this time .
silver vapor
we did a bit of lightly lineup this time around as well - but it's still hard to apply it to most of the maps
toxic lintel
silver vapor
we lack the skillful players even though we have the players who knows the theories and has over 2k battles worth of tournament experiences
toxic lintel
get that 7 batchat rush outa here @signal lagoon
thorn shale
I think it's mainly experience as well on such tactics . I've seen GGAME nearly beat C4 with 7 BCs
signal lagoon
@toxic lintel I was joking lol
silver vapor
winged saffron
Last night was easy wins in tournaments lol
We won a 6v7 as well as an all tier 9 vs all tier 10s game lol
The server breaking also gave us a pass through tour 3 and tour 4 in the second go at it lol
edgy urchin
I'm watching the stream but can't get the coins wth???
help
Why can't I get coins during tournament stream <@&481447501690568709>
thorn shale
WG made an announcement here about how due to technical difficulties, no more coins will be awarded during streams
@edgy urchin And there was no need to @ moderators over your question. Just ask your question and someone will answer
edgy urchin
Ok just wanted quick answers, sorry for @ mod.
chilly hemlock
...
edgy urchin
So I guess I'd rather go get my crates then.
thorn shale
thorn shale
Affirm
arctic axle
English please
arctic axle
English please
vital obsidian
Hi 👋
jagged tide
I do not know why they get so upset that you speak in Spanish
silver vapor
@jagged tide because this is an English community - and we don't all speak Spanish
jagged tide
I understand but think that there are people who still speak Spanish and are required to speak English should not there be a community for those who speak Spanish ???
I know my English is not very good .....
silver vapor
English is a international Language - it's the only language we have common across EU NA and Asia - very different from most other languages - and thus lack of community size - making each and every language its own community will certainly not work in many levels.
now please try to use English whenever possible
jagged tide
I get it :(
dire stream
Tu si me entiendes
winged saffron
It literally says “ENG” for English in the name of the server
flint ore
Lol
fathom tiger
dire stream
Que
spice geode
Rip
pale finch
lol
dim pivot
resisting my urge to type taco, si, que
Plox this is an english server sire
analog osprey
nice i will be reported
silver vapor
@dire stream English?
median mantle
Why? Acc sharing @analog osprey
silver vapor
English please then
dire stream
@silver vapor porque es tan necesario hablar ingles
silver vapor
<@&481447501690568709> I am having language barriers
upper oar
hm
faint scaffoldBOT
Chinoo05#7537 was muted
leaden belfry
Problem is that the server invite leads to this channel. So people end up here when they first join 😅
winter swallow
@thorn shale technically yes. But as they have two tie breakers yet to play it seems risky position
Best channel tbh.
brazen thunder
Wow really?
silver vapor
this Asia tie breaker is somehow getting me hyping 🙃
winter swallow
It is exciting lol
silver vapor
I am double checking strats and making sure there is nothing wrong with it - so no more memes
silver vapor
@dim pivot if it doesn't work you better becareful 🙈
dim pivot
epic
thorn shale
runs
fair glade
hello
lone quartz
How can I Claim my rewards for the Competition?
thorn shale
Hello
real acorn
Hi there😀
dry prairie
Brasil
blazing haven
Anyone want to join 9-10 tourney
olive orchid
Anyone want to join a tier 6 tournament we need 2 player pm if interested
thorn shale
Any team for tourney tier 6 or 8?
username: edygabriel01
winter swallow
@thorn shale @olive orchid @thorn shale - please use #tourneys-team-search for discussions regarding recruiting for tournaments 😃
thorn shale
TMNM are confirmed as 2nd place after 3-0
winter swallow
Oof. They won round 1
thorn shale
Still waiting for results from Low ,XR and ID
winter swallow
FEAST currently spanking 10-2 -TBT- : but they need that next win to stand a chance for 4th.
FEAST will be happy that TN_MN beat LOW
thorn shale
They beat 101AD* , if LOW and ID win then technically XR may miss top 4
winter swallow
Ah yes 101
thorn shale
Ooh XR lost to LOW
silver vapor
oof
thorn shale
If XR don't beat feast they are gone
silver vapor
oof it's tie breaker
winter swallow
Low xr feast and nub tied
thorn shale
ID lost so they are probably out now
silver vapor
now NUB needs to win LOW - best case scenario
winter swallow
101 and ID in last places
Oh my goodness this is close. Until the very last battle,
silver vapor
like
thorn shale
The XR game will determine 3rd
silver vapor
at this point - the 8th can jump to the top 4 at any rate
winter swallow
So 1 = tbt. 2 v TNMN.... but 3 and 4 could be anyone’s
..?
silver vapor
exactly
silver vapor
at this point only top 2 is decided 🤔 - but 3-8th place can be anyone's
winter swallow
So FEAST to beat XR 3:2 and NUB to best LOW 3:1
My predictions.
ID and 101 are out actually.
Even if they win. As they place TNMN and tbt respectively.
Oh
thorn shale
K XR have secured top 4
winter swallow
Yes - it is 1) TBT 2) TNMN 3/4 ) XR and ???
thorn shale
Last place is either nub or low
winter swallow
Winner of nub or low yeh
Head to head results of the winner versus XR will determine 3 / 4 placement
thorn shale
XR have significantly improved from last time
winter swallow
It’s low through
thorn shale
LOW as third and XR are 4th
winter swallow
Yep low beat xr 3:2 both times. So low will TN_MN and XR will face TBT in the first upper bracket of top 4
thorn shale
Tbh while TBT came first in the group stages , I think XR is the favourite for the game
vital obsidian
@winter swallow predictions for tonights thrillers?
winter swallow
Lol not a clue
silver vapor
Welp
vital obsidian
Ofc you have 🙃
winter swallow
EROS win both of theirs.
halcyon cosmos
Hi guys
thorn shale
What happened regarding the whole EZ situation ?
winter swallow
😐
fathom tiger
dunno
silver vapor
Next time we need more streamers streaming more teams its not fair when we are the only ones who gets streamed so much that all the teams knows our way of playing (I know this is a bit irresponsible but I want to bring this up as well)
pallid raven
or alternate the teams being streamed
silver vapor
I am definitely not blaming our loses on that - but we are definitely not used to being streamed - and as being the statistically weakest team out of top 8, it really does add a bit more pressure to us and allowing our opponents to read us easily (since they have all our recent battle records from a few clicks away), they can just read our strats and make counters to it, while we have to keep refreshing strats or even use strats that are not proven to be effective just to throw them off, which does definitely impact us in a certain way. But this is definitely some nice experience as in how we handle new strats (basically all the strats you see today from us are new strats that we made since we entered top 8 in Spring season)
thorn shale
Just do 5 med yolos
vital obsidian
Good job there @silver vapor
silver vapor
@vital obsidian thanks, now back to being the underdogs
dim pivot
Will the teams that dint make top 4 get to play quick tournaments or will they have to wait till 27th april when the tourney ends? @frosty nexus
silver vapor
I am more interested in taking pixels place in streaming the games 😂
dim pivot
Just blackmail him, ur the leader
chilly hemlock
@winter swallow do you have the final scores for Asia?
green sierra
@winter swallow you as a very good wotb streamer and CC please tell wg to rework tournament seeding. Make it look winrate and avarage damage, one example 2 teams have same avarage winrate of top 7 players 62 but avarage damage isnt same so even if both teams get good seeding in seperet groups and because it goes strongest-weakest teams that are classified as "weakest" have much higher chance to get top 3 places if they played against one of those two teams that had lower avarage damage
winter swallow
I’m more in favour of a seeding tournament -> qualifiers -> main event format. Imagine a few weeks of effectively ranked tournaments. Same system as rankings but for tournament teams. Initial position relates to wr and avg damage but this can be plus minus as ranking is.
That determines seed in strongest versus weakest which then goes into qualifier MM.
thorn shale
imagine a team with a 2.7% wr in professionals
silver vapor
My fight for custom clan logo is still ongoing
thorn shale
^
winter swallow
Congrats to -TBT- on finishing with an 11-3 record in a very hotly contested Asia Professionals Tournament. Commiserations to NUB, FEAST, 101AD and -ID- ... all close to making the Top4 cut, but not quite enough.
Nice to see TN_MN shoring up 2nd place even with a very rocky 2nd half of the Round Robin.
LOW and XR edging into 3rd and 4th place respectively in the final round!
It is worth noting that both LOW and XR came "top" in the 2nd half of the RR system, dramatically improving their performances relative to the first half.
silver vapor
Asia with inconsistency, there isn't a set team that can perform consistently which makes the scene interesting but pain to maintain at the same time
vital obsidian
If there is interest, teams will evolve
silver vapor
Evolve? Then what happened to the last two years? Asia isn't even included in last year's professionals, and the numbers are going lower and lower, how is it evolving
If there was a professional tournaments for Asia last spring, I would've got the custom clan logo, and wouldn't be dragging this thing so long. The issue is, Asia is both inactive and inconsistent.
green sierra
Whats with china, anyone knows how their twister cup is going?
winter swallow
.... Twister???? o.O
green sierra
Oops prof tour I mean
silver vapor
Teams keep getting disbaned from previous big tournaments, and there is very little new teams that gets built.
Chinese server is a horrible branch of Asia - basically all the best Chinese teams are now in Asia playing prof instead
neon linden
hi guys i watch the live EU tournaments right now and it doesnt give me season coins each minute can i do something about it, is it a bug?
fathom tiger
Read the latest pinned message pls
There's a link into portal's tournament page @thorn shale you can also find it by typing "World of tanks blitz portal" into google search
fathom tiger
Click the video button
green sierra
top 4 in EU?
sudden fjord
@green sierra R2K RA1D ER0S EZ-
winter swallow
^yep. In that order.
R2K will play EZ- and RA1D will play ER0S in the first upper bracket. Remember, the format is Double Elimination, Best of 7 (!) - Grand Final is Bo9.
vital obsidian
When is games
And does double elemination mean that even if you lose first game you can make comeback
fathom tiger
Yes
thorn shale
@dim pivot They have to wait till the tourny ends
calm flume
@fathom tiger
meager dawn
No season coins for watching live streams ☹️
winter swallow
Has been announced multiple times in multiples places - am still sorry for lack of coins though guys ❤ :sad: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521999784991522817/569229302336323584/Screenshot_2019-04-20-21-33-42.png
chilly hemlock
@mental yarrow 😏 hey. Pay up
Chaos
@vague obsidian
Because 7 is bigger than 6 @vague obsidian
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
thorn shale
quik maffs
winter swallow
QUIKK MAFFS - For all servers, after Tour 14.
RU not accurate as missing result lol
-WZRD through, not GGAMEv
If anyone has the result for -WZRD vs. ESX 2nd Round I would be very grateful.
thorn shale
@winter swallow 3-2 in the favour of ESX for round 2
winter swallow
same as Round 1?
@thorn shale your source? I watched ApTuk but he covered their first game 3:2 in favour ESX
thorn shale
From their social media page @winter swallow
thorn shale
@winter swallow Is place 4-8 in order for Asia ?
winter swallow
thorn shale
@winter swallow Mostly right just 2 positions wrong
After a tense and dramatic race for 7th place, hated snatches victory at the very last moment
Wow, what an amazing way to end group stage for professionals.
toxic lintel
lol
thorn shale
Hello!
toxic lintel
Tan tan has a higher level of thinking we normal humans just don’t understand @chilly hemlock @thorn shale
thorn shale
🤔
silver vapor
@frosty nexus what do you mean FEAST 3:3 NUB?
We clearly lost 3:1 against NUB but win 3:0 against them so shouldn't it be FEAST 4:3 NUB?
Was too frustrated by the game results and didn't noticed the mistake until now ._.
@chilly terrace also notifying you as well just in case
frosty nexus
@silver vapor will check once again
dim pivot
Can teams that did not make top 4 play quick tournaments?
winter swallow
It is a weird 3 way tie - ID beat FEAST 6:4, lost to NUB 3:6 - FEAST beat NUB 4-3 ... each team has a win on the head to head results.
@frosty nexus - as I understand it, the next tie breaking measurement is total rounds won:
Wait, this is clearer - so the seeding would be like this (as I understand it?)
or if you go just on rounds won from the tie breaker 3-way: FEAST = 8, NUB = 9 and -IDI- = 9 ..... so total rounds makes more sense IMO....
silver vapor
I am personally interested in what does this result imply about Asia (as in even the last place have 5 points when other regions only have 1 or 2 points)
winter swallow
Asia is much more evenly matched.
If you look at the other 3 servers, we can see that a few teams have been really battered in this tournament. HATED being the lowest ratio win:loss team overall.
dim pivot
Trying to understand if thats good for a server or not
silver vapor
^^
green sierra
H4PKY follows HATED
dim pivot
i still need an answer for my quick tournaments question plox
winter swallow
What I look for as positive is 1) overall level of gameplay and 2) relative performances. Asia was most closely contested while NA had the widest spread in results. For EU, there are a clear top 3 but they aren't unbeatable.
CIS is for all intents and purposes, the same as Asia in terms of relative performances in the pack, but there is C4 which is clearly dominant, like Reign from NA.
silver vapor
I mean, it's so evenly matched that we can beat the top 4 (albeit not consistently) but keep losing to the remainder of the teams
dim pivot
I like how all the players from venturas team at minsk still play the game but dont play tournaments with each other
I never understood how clan works on RU
3 clans there always show up ggame c4 and mercy
glass thunder
souls played very well this tournament
green sierra
(SPAM heavys and push)
glass thunder
they have good focus fire they win thx to that
thorn shale
The Ventura team completely broke up , they had a lot of problems and arguments within their team even before twister but after winning twister it was fine for a bit until they decided to disband cause of arguments again , their players are spread out across many clans now . They mainly split into olrcy and sabotage but since both clans failed to make twister their has been roster changes again
Ggame original team completely broke up as well and half their tournament team players joined C4 (which happened to Ventura as well)
vital obsidian
seem a lot is happening in cw clans eu atm
players jumps here and there 🤔 some clans seem breaking up and new or semi-new formed
always turbulence during tours
pale finch
Well we still have 6 players left from our prof tournament team last season so that’s pretty good
vital obsidian
Those that do well usually get to keep players 👍
pale finch
Well let’s see if we do well tonight or not
winter swallow
@frosty nexus I believe as per tournament rules on forum, the total number of rounds won is the next tie-breaking measurement used?
Total number of rounds over the whole tournament that is, if I have understood correctly.
frosty nexus
Rechecked once again
5, 6, 7 places
The total amount of victories is:
[NUB] NUB_boys - 9
[-ID-] Team ID - 8
[FEAST] Ultimate FEAST - 8
According this, [NUB] NUB_boys is going on 5th place.
To determine 6 and 7th places, lets check head-to-head battles between [-ID-] Team ID and [FEAST] Ultimate FEAST :
Group stage 1: ID 3:2 FEAST
Group stage 2: ID 3:2 FEAST
Team ID won both head-to-head battles. That's means that Tead ID is going on 6th place and Ultimate FEAST is going on 7th place.
winter swallow
Thanks Knopka ❤
silver vapor
That's at least accurate now
dim pivot
Can teams that did not make top 4 play quick tournaments?
I'll just spam this till i get answer from wg
winter swallow
I suggest you tag Knopka? She'll be very busy and likely won't see your messages in the pile.
chilly terrace
@dim pivot They won't be able to do that until the finish of Professionals Tournament
dim pivot
I tagged her yesterday
I dont wanna get banned so i dint tag today
vital obsidian
you will find out tomorrow morning...
fathom tiger
rexy just told we are not able to take part in other tourneys
vital gale
I want join
glass thunder
@fathom tiger if its like last twister you cant
i think till the end of ascent tourney (not even next week)
dreamy adder
Hi what are the rewards of top echelon please ?
fathom tiger
Fame and bragging rights
gentle sierra
An avatar and coins i think
glass thunder
@dreamy adder some gold
vital obsidian
a tier 4 maybe?
glass thunder
no idea
green sierra
No gold
glass thunder
no will be some gold im sure
winter swallow
This is 100% accurate for all final positions in Professionals Tournament for all servers. Asia is as per WG (Knopka) rulings and NA based on head-to-head results.
thorn shale
billis
winter swallow
CIS also calculated on head to head results.
thorn shale
cui; j😄
median mantle
I love the ascent / echelon system where all you need is 2 or more teams per clan
vital obsidian
Only best result count so if they dont win 🤔
green sierra
I dont love seeding system
median mantle
Are u sure about it? @vital obsidian
If so, still double times the chance to make it through
green sierra
yea you can register multiple teams from same clan but system only counts team that gets better place per tour, example ascent tour #2 2 teams from IMMOR, one got 1st and second team gor 3rd place. System only counted trophies from team that got 1st place
median mantle
Thx for the clarification. Impressive performance against EZ @pale finch
thorn shale
Hi
eternal breach
when do echelon start again
green sierra
when wg says it
vital obsidian
bold kettle
Do teams get eliminated today?
green sierra
yea, EZ- got eliminated
now it will be EROS vs R2K and who wins goes in grandfinals against RA1D
bold kettle
What about the other servers?
If you don't know it's no problem, I'm just being lazy
bold kettle
Thank you @green sierra
green sierra
anyone knows about china?
pale finch
@frosty nexus @chilly terrace did WG think when putting the lower bracket 2 and grand final maps? They are so similar.... What a joke.
@thorn shale I don't know who you are but silence is something I would suggest for you.
winter swallow
XD
@pale finch gg's tonight. Plenty of time to prepare for the next maps and opponents.
thorn shale
Hi
faint scaffoldBOT
Useless_Darren#5216 was banned
green sierra
lol
winter swallow
pallid raven
I hope the echelon tournament is best of 5
What happens if their is a draw in the echelon
eg more than 8 teams in the top 8
green sierra
last year there where 15 teams I think
winter swallow
^ there were many teams in top 8 places due to tied places
silver vapor
@keen elbow English
winter swallow
Yes.
forest matrix
This year will be much less tied places with the saturday tournaments system acting as some kind of tiebreaker
keen elbow
Name
forest matrix
I guess will be 8, maximum 10. Last year was more 20 teams if I remember well in top echelon
Just checked 15 teams were qualified in top echelon from twister season EU
glass thunder
true they did make a better system
vital obsidian
the lack of tickets is not a better system
people have irl and cant always play both days
also bad when you cannot get ticket from saturdays, and you cant donate ticket
what is the point of such stringent ticket system I dont get it
pallid raven
true that, I think the clan should get the tickets, not the people
winter swallow
Problem there of course is you need people responsible for using tickets fairly within clan.
forest matrix
I think this 2 tournament a week + tickets is rly smart actually. Makes the Saturday tournament quite high level
green sierra
I still think seeding is so bad that it makes tournaments so bad to play
forest matrix
Only issue we have here is the time schedule 8pm is a bit early from French standards
True also that limiting to 1 ticket per player is not good.
winter swallow
Maybe if players earn their own ticket but can choose to donate them to a clan pool?
Then whoever makes the team (ideally Deputy or Leader) can use donated tickets to cover those couldn't play during the week?
green sierra
no, sharing tickets is bad idea because what is point of 2 reserv players then?
gentle sierra
Not everyone can play all days u know
We should be allowed to at least donate tickets for the team like on gold-silver tourneys
median mantle
@forest matrix yeah it’s smart to whomever can bring 2 or more teams in
green sierra
I just want seeding fixed lol
median mantle
Kinda unfair indeed @green sierra
chilly terrace
2 reserve players receive tickets as well.This is the reason why reserve players are allowed. If you don't do anything for receiving tickets on Wednesday, you cannot participate in Saturday tournament. It's fair.
green sierra
while your online, can we talk about seeding. I have one pure example of how unfair it is
chilly terrace
OK, let's talk
vital obsidian
@chilly terrace are you a direct link to wg cw staff?
crisp shore
I do agree it is too stringent not to donate tickets
gentle sierra
^^
crisp shore
I'm always worried that we don't have 7 players for tournaments since it is completely possible that someone would drop out due to urgent issues while there is not enough time to find replacements
chilly terrace
@vital obsidian Not really. I'm representing tournaments staff.
crisp shore
And then some people might completely forget about the tournaments at all
vital obsidian
But you have a strong voice in wg decisions?
dreamy adder
I agree with @winter swallow
pale finch
Regarding tournaments for sure