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silver vapor Apr 12, 2019, 3:54 PM

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upsets

(d)ef(i)nit(e)ly for us

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 3:54 PM

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:sad4FEAST:

burnt ingot Apr 12, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Lol could be a possibility @winter swallow 😉

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 3:55 PM

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btw @silver vapor - is your clan name based on this legendary ice cream?

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silver vapor Apr 12, 2019, 3:55 PM

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i forgot about how that meme works

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 3:55 PM

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doesnt seem very likely but might affect the concentration of some people

burnt ingot Apr 12, 2019, 3:55 PM

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But u could also say we had more time to prepare as well

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@pale finch u guys won both matches right?

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 3:56 PM

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yeah we did

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 3:56 PM

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3:2 on both. Yet to watch but apparently very thrilling.

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 3:56 PM

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very thrilling is an understatement

burnt ingot Apr 12, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Also stressful I bet

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Amaunet was buzzing afterwards lol. TBH I am hyped to catch them tomorrow morning 😃

fathom tiger Apr 12, 2019, 3:57 PM

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r2k stronk

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 3:57 PM

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stressful is also an understatement

silver vapor Apr 12, 2019, 3:57 PM

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@winter swallow my ideas was actually based on actual "feast", a feast is always something happy right?

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 3:57 PM

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the last game against eros was insane, i have never seen anything like that before

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 3:58 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/panic-attack-gif-7210501

Tenor

panic attack

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burnt ingot Apr 12, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Haha

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 3:58 PM

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2:2 scenario ^^ both callers and all players

silver vapor Apr 12, 2019, 4:14 PM

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we start panic attack at first game ._.

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I'd say my team is still in more of a "calibration period" - we are still trying to figure out whoever is good under pressure in this certain tank performing this certain role

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things should only get better from here on in - if not worse that is

green plover Apr 12, 2019, 4:19 PM

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i feel my team is also in a calibration stage just finding where we stand

silver vapor Apr 12, 2019, 4:21 PM

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that's how teams work rite? ~~*brings out Tuckman's stages of group development*~~

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I'm also calibrating my lighting system... and i would be using my blue yeti microphone but I need my laptop fan on too damn loud for that to be viable.

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https://tenor.com/view/garrus-gif-4759872

Tenor

pallid raven Apr 12, 2019, 4:34 PM

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setup tour...?

fathom tiger Apr 12, 2019, 4:38 PM

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what are those clantags in the yesterday's r2k vs er0s? 👀

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winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@pallid raven I posted so setup pics in Patreon part of Discord.

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 4:42 PM

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its obviously the infamous UA_0D vs YLVI @fathom tiger

fathom tiger Apr 12, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Xd just wondering what happened there

thorn shale Apr 12, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Lol

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@pale finch did you stay up to watch the NA games?

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Nah I was too tired for that but I watched them when I woke up

thorn shale Apr 12, 2019, 4:46 PM

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Oof I see

silver vapor Apr 12, 2019, 4:54 PM

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why was the clan tags messed up tho 🤔

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 5:27 PM

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It’s been like that since the start for us at least

upper blaze Apr 12, 2019, 5:30 PM

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I want to play

keen oar Apr 12, 2019, 6:49 PM

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na games are memes

winter swallow Apr 12, 2019, 8:32 PM

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@pale finch r2k don't show on clans list eu blitz stars. Maybe API bugged ?

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Between tournaments, press accounts, getting test tanks - not getting test tanks, clan tag changes mid tournaments etc...

vital obsidian Apr 12, 2019, 8:54 PM

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👀

pale finch Apr 12, 2019, 8:56 PM

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@winter swallow it’s because we don’t have 15 active members, many members left to play for other clans in the prof tourney and also in the ascents

thorn shale Apr 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

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I love World of tanks Blitz

crude sun Apr 12, 2019, 10:55 PM

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ready2disband

turbid swallow Apr 13, 2019, 12:13 AM

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😀

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Oi

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Tem algem online

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🙁

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Ah that explains it.

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 9:34 AM

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Almost time for another clown show at Asia server 🍵

fathom tiger Apr 13, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Gotta prepare popcorns?

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Not for me - popcorn damages my voice and it's the last thing you want when playing intensively with voice chats
Note: my voice was basically gone during the qualifiers stages and it wasn't pleasant at all

dim pivot Apr 13, 2019, 9:39 AM

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It was pleasant for us
Laughing is pleasant u kno

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 9:41 AM

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No kk

vital obsidian Apr 13, 2019, 9:43 AM

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@leaden belfry when asia stream start?

leaden belfry Apr 13, 2019, 9:43 AM

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In 1 hour and 17 minutes 👌

vital obsidian Apr 13, 2019, 9:43 AM

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yay time for some home duties and then popcorns and coke 💪

leaden belfry Apr 13, 2019, 9:44 AM

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😁 that's the best way to watch a stream, for sure!

vital obsidian Apr 13, 2019, 9:44 AM

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gl and hf streaming 👌

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Asian server tonight will be pretty interesting to watch . 4 of the matches tonight will be between the teams tied for 4th place .

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 9:57 AM

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fun for the viewers - not so much for the ones playing 🤔

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 10:58 AM

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here goes nothing @leaden belfry

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 11:58 AM

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time to prepare my knife to stab myself

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 12:36 PM

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screw my instincts 😫

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Sounds like you’re having a lot of fun

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 12:39 PM

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lol

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:39 PM

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Asia Rankings after tonight . Still a 5 way tie for 4th .

TBT (7 Points)
TM_NM (6 Points)
101AD (4 points)
LOW (3 points) / ID ( 3 Points)
FEAST (3 points)
XR (3 Points)
NUB (3 Points)

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Now that sounds spicy

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No team unbeaten?

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Nope

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 12:41 PM

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in EU R2K is only one unbeaten right now

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:41 PM

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Yeah and hopefully it’ll remain that way ;))

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:41 PM

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TBT got 3-0 by TN_MN tonight , first time they lost

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TBT looked like they were originally the favourites but considering the recent results the favourites may now be TN_MN . 3rd-8th is too close to call

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:43 PM

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In terms of points it’s quite similar to EU except the bottom 2 only has 1 and 0 points on EU

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Is EU currently tied for 4th between EZ and RA1D ?

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:44 PM

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iirc R2K is on 6, ER0S 5, -1- 4, RA1D & EZ- on 3, -W1N- on 2, S0ULS on 1 and H4PKY on 0

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:44 PM

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hmmm who do you think will go for 4th ?

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:45 PM

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I would prefer not to speculate tbh

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But I can say that I think W1N has a decent chance at catching up to EZ-, RA1D and -1-, I think first place will be between R2K and EROS and third and fourth place between EZ-, RA1D, -1- and -W1N-. -1- Will most likely make it but not sure who the last team will be.

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:47 PM

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At least the competition is much closer this time for nearly every server . Makes it very interesting till the end

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Well last year in twisters it was also very very close on EU

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:48 PM

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true I think it was RA1D and -1- again who fought for 4th along with EZ-

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Yeah you’re right about that, it was all decided in the last game of the last round as well

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 12:48 PM

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But the whole field itself is much more open currently . I think RU was basically top 3 guarantee last time and a similar situation for Asia .

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 1:36 PM

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I blame horrible map pool

pallid raven Apr 13, 2019, 2:31 PM

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and it begins

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 2:51 PM

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~~Wargaming have no idea what maps are good for comp and it shows~~

brazen thunder Apr 13, 2019, 2:54 PM

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@silver vapor I thought you were a Community Helper

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 2:56 PM

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@frosty nexus or @chilly terrace can you lower the teams per group in ascent tours (ticket) because at max we gonna have 4 to 5 groups tonight

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winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 3:00 PM

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@thorn shale

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Or better yet,

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silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 3:01 PM

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@winter swallow why 101AD has 1? they lost 2:3 according to your chart

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 3:02 PM

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thanks - human error

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tepid sun Apr 13, 2019, 3:44 PM

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👀

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 3:45 PM

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okay now - need a plan for complete flipping

dim pivot Apr 13, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Waow frost typed something in official server
This is a rarity

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~~buy us all t22 and we do 7 t22 for all games~~
Ez flipping there

vital obsidian Apr 13, 2019, 4:53 PM

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one big problem with ascent is the tickets, you can play saturday only if you have played also wednesday, and you cannot donate a ticket. Why limit the players like this? A player should get ticket from playing saturday and should be able to donate a ticket

gentle sierra Apr 13, 2019, 5:39 PM

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^^

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 6:22 PM

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@vital obsidian doesnt IMMOR have 2 teams anyways

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Am I the only one who doesnt like tournaments in grinding games, why cant players with 500+ rating battles have t10 tanks that can be played only in tours and training room

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Its so sh** to play with 2 or 3 tanks or to play with someone that has only 2 or 3 tanks (t10 tanks)

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And ofc even if I say all this and community reacts positivly wg wont care or will add in 50 updates after this idea something where you need to pay with gold to get tournament tanks

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I've made a video about this lol

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 7:48 PM

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hmm rly, can I get link pls @winter swallow

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I just got angry after tonights tour and lack of tanks was one of main factors but rip

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 7:49 PM

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@green sierra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llsv1f125do - @silver vapor also had a lot of ideas

YouTube

RollingSwarm

eSports Agenda - Building the Tier X PlayerBase - WoT Blitz

World of Tanks Blitz eSports is a VERY competitive scene, but it's also extremely exclusive. After 4.5 years of Blitz's existence, I ponder why Tier X tourna...

▶ Play video

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 7:53 PM

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that is from February, has anyone from wg even seen it?

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 7:53 PM

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it is a 50 minute long podcast type thing. IDK if WG have seen it but I have been made a CC in the last month lol

green sierra Apr 13, 2019, 7:56 PM

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nice congrats, you as a tournament streamer/youtuber can make a huge difference now in wotb esport scene

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 7:57 PM

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It's my goal. I have only been streaming since August 2018 so I still feel it is early days yet. ❤

vital obsidian Apr 13, 2019, 8:21 PM

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gg @winter swallow @leaden belfry again 👍

leaden belfry Apr 13, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Thanks! =)

pastel solar Apr 13, 2019, 8:25 PM

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ggg

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hey

pale finch Apr 13, 2019, 8:26 PM

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yeah nice streams as usually

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another close match for us 😬

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Asia after Tour 8 :

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Russia after Tour 8 :

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EU after Tour 8 :

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silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Let's hope we can stop making naive mistakes and take all the games at Asia - we need to stop losing already 🤐

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Asia ridiculous 5 way tie for 4th place.

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Btw rolling best to not use spoilers - I believe it is warnable

pallid raven Apr 13, 2019, 8:35 PM

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lol

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 8:36 PM

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But yeah - could've won all the games, should've won all the games, would've won all the games.... But didn't won all the games and that feels really annoying to me

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Thanks for heads up @silver vapor

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 8:38 PM

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It's pinned in general chat

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winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Technically there is added value in this instance.

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But rules is rules.

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 8:39 PM

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🤐 I've learnt not to argue with the rules

winter swallow Apr 13, 2019, 8:40 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/rules-gif-9420170

Tenor

silver vapor Apr 13, 2019, 8:40 PM

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It's not fun when it bites back 😂 🙃

faint scaffoldBOT Apr 13, 2019, 8:44 PM

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dynoSuccess proplayerblitz#2682 was banned

vital obsidian Apr 13, 2019, 9:16 PM

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also noob-ascent tour has been played today

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clan rating developing

toxic lintel Apr 13, 2019, 11:40 PM

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uhh so what would happen if there was a 5 way tie for 3/4 in Asia at the end of this tourney. who would end up going through lol

thorn shale Apr 13, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Would be determined on head to head

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If there was still a tie between people, a separate set of tie breaker matches would take place @toxic lintel

toxic lintel Apr 13, 2019, 11:47 PM

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im in for 5 tie breaker matches

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Wild card style like baseball would be awesome

eternal breach Apr 14, 2019, 1:42 AM

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why is castilla ever used for tourney tiebreaks

winter swallow Apr 14, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Because WG tournament organisers don't play Blitz tournaments.

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And therefore don't appreciate how big a deal the map asymmetry is as a factor.

mental yarrow Apr 14, 2019, 2:37 AM

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I thought it was based on matches? For Twister didn't matches like 3:2 have a higher weighing factor over a match like a 3:0 if it came down to a tie breaker?

thorn shale Apr 14, 2019, 3:24 AM

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@mental yarrow @toxic lintel It is a combination of head to head and matches if head to head is even . The total number of games won by two teams which have both won one round against each other is counted with the highest going through . If not average game time is taken into account , lowest game time going through .

pale finch Apr 14, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Wait what? Castilla is a good map for tie breakers for sure lol

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The worst possible maps would surely be Canyon and Alpenstadt for example

pallid raven Apr 14, 2019, 10:13 AM

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maps which are clearly spawn advantageous should not be tie breaker maps

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vineyard should not, normandy should

silver vapor Apr 14, 2019, 10:14 AM

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the question is more like "how much spawn advantage is too much", and "who should we listen regarding this"

dim pivot Apr 14, 2019, 10:26 AM

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Just use copper field for every game, theres no better map in the game

pallid raven Apr 14, 2019, 11:21 AM

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in an ideal world it would be first to 2 points ahead, so people will have an equal chance to play both sides, but it wouldn't work with the timings, as it could go on forever

dreamy adder Apr 14, 2019, 11:23 AM

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hi @winter swallow how u do spoiler pls

pallid raven Apr 14, 2019, 11:24 AM

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when you post a pic there is an option to make it a spoiler

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or for text it is two "||" opening and closing the text

dreamy adder Apr 14, 2019, 11:26 AM

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ty

glass thunder Apr 14, 2019, 11:45 AM

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|| @dreamy adder np ||

pallid raven Apr 14, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Are emulators allowed?

dreamy adder Apr 14, 2019, 11:49 AM

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i think so

pallid raven Apr 14, 2019, 11:51 AM

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spoilers are banned btw

leaden belfry Apr 14, 2019, 12:32 PM

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@glass thunder @dreamy adder heed what @pallid raven says - spoilers are banned on this server

glass thunder Apr 14, 2019, 12:41 PM

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@pallid raven @leaden belfry oh didnt know thx 😃

leaden belfry Apr 14, 2019, 12:43 PM

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We discussed it a while ago, and basically it's only used for trolling or breaking the rules, so together with WG we decided to ban it altogether 😁

glass thunder Apr 14, 2019, 12:50 PM

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👌 👍

silver vapor Apr 14, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Asia is burning right now - what a big mess 😖

green sierra Apr 14, 2019, 1:37 PM

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@silver vapor had those top teams dropped games so you all can still fight for 4th place?

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lol watched your team today, had lead 2:0 and then those guys made comeback and won

pale finch Apr 14, 2019, 1:41 PM

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That sounds like a joke, so skill should not be rewarded and just spamming a bunch of heavies and tanks with no mobility will allow you to get easy victories because you cannot handle a fast meta? Yeah sure

leaden belfry Apr 14, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@silver vapor isn't the point of this tournament that everything about it is skillbased? 🤔

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Also, mind your language and avoid the s bombs, thank you

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As apt as the term might be, on this server it's still a no no

slender harness Apr 14, 2019, 1:51 PM

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leaden belfry Apr 14, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Even tbt and tnmn aren't certain

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They both lost to XR today

slender harness Apr 14, 2019, 1:52 PM

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then bottom8 here we come

leaden belfry Apr 14, 2019, 1:52 PM

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XD

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I love that it's pure chaos on Asia, score wise, but I have to admit the games today were a little frustrating

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For all teams I saw the same thing goes - had they focus fired better, the results would have been great for them

silver vapor Apr 14, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Nah just too much fights against skill and it's just wearing me out as a horrible player myself

tepid sun Apr 14, 2019, 1:53 PM

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._.

leaden belfry Apr 14, 2019, 1:53 PM

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You're not. Feast got this far in the past for being one team

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I still have faith in Feast, but you have to call out targets

pale finch Apr 14, 2019, 1:54 PM

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With this attitude you will not win anything

leaden belfry Apr 14, 2019, 1:54 PM

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The position you took on Black Goldville is one I'd be careful with though

slender harness Apr 14, 2019, 1:54 PM

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maddox where is our 2-5 comeback hax

pale finch Apr 14, 2019, 1:54 PM

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If you just keep complaining and not doing anything about it you might as well give up already or just stop whining and get down to business

green plover Apr 14, 2019, 2:32 PM

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^

winter swallow Apr 14, 2019, 3:30 PM

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I like that no one is out of the running for Asia. Makes for continued tension in all the matches. On RU EU and NA there are some fixtures now which have become inconsequential.

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Anyone from na could roughly predict the final standings in group play

signal lagoon Apr 14, 2019, 3:53 PM

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@chilly hemlock although at the start of the season I think it would have been hard to rank between Chaos, Eclipse and PRAMO

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:53 PM

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It’s a safe bet to pick rgn rgn pramo void as top 4

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Pincer and str8 are spoilers

mental yarrow Apr 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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My money is on VON making an epic comeback

signal lagoon Apr 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Oh yeah, of course, but the individual 2,3 and 4 slots are hard to differentiate; they’re all great teams capable of beating one another

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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@mental yarrow how much money?

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I’ll take that bet

mental yarrow Apr 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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uhhh, $10

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:55 PM

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How many series wins?

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Or are you saying they make top 4?

mental yarrow Apr 14, 2019, 3:55 PM

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They make it to top 4

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Deal

signal lagoon Apr 14, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I think for that to happen you need VON to win every game, and for the current top 4 teams to drop rounds to HATED, PNCR and STR8

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:56 PM

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The best they can go is 7-7

mental yarrow Apr 14, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I believe in miracles

signal lagoon Apr 14, 2019, 3:57 PM

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*8-6 @chilly hemlock I think they beat HATED

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:57 PM

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@mental yarrow let’s double down then 😉

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$20

eternal breach Apr 14, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Ggs last night @signal lagoon

signal lagoon Apr 14, 2019, 3:58 PM

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@eternal breach Close matches on Mayan Ruins. Gg

mental yarrow Apr 14, 2019, 3:59 PM

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This is big money, I don't know if I can afford this

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 3:59 PM

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But you’re a YouTuber

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You’re rich from YouTube money

eternal breach Apr 14, 2019, 4:00 PM

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the problem with ASIA is that the server is relatively small and there are so many different countries that teams are generally quite limited in what they can make do the language requirements

dim pivot Apr 14, 2019, 4:01 PM

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@mental yarrow didnt u just buy 50k gold recently

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Pixel buys attachment on all his t10, surely he can afford 20$ bet

mental yarrow Apr 14, 2019, 4:04 PM

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I wish YouTube would make me rich

dim pivot Apr 14, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Just gotta target the 9-15 year olds brudda and dont forget clickbait @mental yarrow

chilly hemlock Apr 14, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Lol

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@mental yarrow I’ll settle for $10

narrow meteor Apr 14, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Puts EU Op players in VON accounts

winter swallow Apr 14, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Time difference and ping would mitigate.

green sierra Apr 14, 2019, 5:15 PM

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guy doesnt sleep and uses VPN

green plover Apr 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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🤔

winter swallow Apr 14, 2019, 5:52 PM

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VPN doesn't help with ping....

tall python Apr 14, 2019, 6:01 PM

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oof

thorn shale Apr 14, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Were is stream ??????!!!!??

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Guys how to watch stream

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😟

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Guys pls i am at discord first time pls

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😞

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junior sinew Apr 14, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Noice

winter swallow Apr 14, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@thorn shale for which server?

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Asia server after Tour 10.

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Russia after Tour 10 (1 result is missing from the website - ESX vs -WZRD)

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Europe after Tour 10.

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green sierra Apr 14, 2019, 7:42 PM

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r2k throwed (2:3 so it doesnt look obvious) a game so RA1D can secure 3rd place xD (dont take this serious)

toxic sigil Apr 14, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Привет

green plover Apr 14, 2019, 8:24 PM

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English only @toxic sigil

silver vapor Apr 14, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Oof

median mantle Apr 14, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Where can I find the R2K eros (3-0) and R2K raid (2-3)?

pale finch Apr 14, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Amaunet for eros games R1B for raid games @median mantle

median mantle Apr 14, 2019, 9:01 PM

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OK thx @pale finch

sullen plank Apr 15, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Hello

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Plat?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Wrong channel @sullen plank

vale sierra Apr 15, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Ок

topaz charm Apr 15, 2019, 12:26 PM

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We are hosting a poll about premium/collector tanks on RollingSwarm's discord server. Should or Shouldn't they be allowed on Big Wargaming tournaments? I am not able to post an invite link, but say hi to me in Direct Messages and I will invite you. 🤗
Hopefully this will wake Wargaming up and we would get as much data as plausible. Every vote counts, no matter how you vote.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Stop pay to win, or we quit playing tournaments

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 12:29 PM

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^ A bit extreme. But yes, a poll is being held to gather opinions of players regarding this facet of the game 😃

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 12:56 PM

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The poll is unfair. You’re letting absolutely anyone vote for or against it, there by factoring the opinions of people that have never played a single tournament match much less a major tournament into an issue that is irrelevant for them

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 12:57 PM

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I agree it's a question for the competitive teams, personally as I represent the opinion of R2K I can say that we also support this cause as we believe that having a nice wallet or enjoy spending money for lottery tickets ( crates ) should not benefit you in tournaments.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 12:58 PM

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This is a general poll. I can create a closed poll for participants of professionals and linked qualifiers only afterwards.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 12:58 PM

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I don’t own a T-22 nor use my Mk.6 in tournaments. But why should I be restricted in what I play because of the opinions of people that don’t play?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 12:59 PM

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But your point is duly noted and a valid consideration. Having the two polls to compare side by side would be useful of itself.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Well we had not-so-nice conversation after last night games. If pay to win doesnt stop, there is absolutely no point of playing competitive

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:00 PM

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The closed poll is a lot more relevant, but even then you’re still mostly looking at owners/users of T-22 medium (a minority) against T-22 dissidents.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Ideally, WG would give me data from pro tournament on indivdiual tank useage and performance. I could then a GLM to see if T22 is a disruptive factor.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:01 PM

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This entire issue is only raised to where it is now because of a single tank; the T-22.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Yep.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Its real issue

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Competetive gaming NEEDS to be fair for everyone from the starting point. Competetive gaming is going to die if its allowed to use tanks everyone cant afford. Unless they are available for everyone during tourmanents. One way is to make press accounts to everyone to big tournaments. Yes t22 is the main point and what is next? Badger?

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:02 PM

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So therefore, any poll is really for T-22/against T-22. People never cared about the Chieftain or 121B

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 1:02 PM

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We arent talking about t22 only but about future of this game we all love.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Then this discussion should’ve started when the 121B was introduced, not now

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Yes but its not too late now.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:03 PM

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t22 is first tank that is clearly better than its counterparts. Did i mention the V shaped hull yet?

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Too late for what? You’re restricting usage of a tank because you believe it is OP, and the second point that it costs money is only raised to justify/excuse the first point

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:05 PM

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For anyone that gives a hoot, with the right kind of data input, this is the kind of analyses we could do on the T22

📎 GLM-example.pdf

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:05 PM

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This discussion will literally die if the T-22 gets nerfed.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Good?

📎 GLM-r-code.pdf

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:06 PM

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In that case, this discussion is not about wallet tanks at all. Its about the T-22 and T-22 only. And therefore, what you’re trying to do comes down to banning a tank because you think its too good.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:06 PM

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You know what we were discussing when first tier 10 premiums were introduced?

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I saw already its gonna come to this point. And if pay to win doesnt stop, I stop.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:07 PM

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I don’t remember mega arguments about whether or not 121B was allowed. I don’t remember data analysis necessary for the Chieftain

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:07 PM

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@atomic tartan - hence why I say having data to analyse via statistical test would be handy....

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@atomic tartan - 121b isn't OP and has tech tree parallels. Mk 6 doesn't have tech tree parallels but also isn't very good ...

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:08 PM

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But if you did the same analysis for every tank, you will find a few more certain tanks performing better than the others @winter swallow

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The IS-4 will generally do better than the IS-7. Should we ban the IS-4 too?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:09 PM

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I would be running a GLM on all the professionals tournament data. Not going tank by tank.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:10 PM

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You dont need money to get IS4..... pay to win is the problem. And its real problem. Its gonna kill the game.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:10 PM

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and ... oh god I'd have to cluster by maps.... and server.....it would be a rather strenuous exercise.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Im sorry if I sound like I’m just countering or attacking you, but I assure you all that is not the case. Even data based approaches will show multiple tanks being stronger than the others. What would you do with them then?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:10 PM

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We are looking for statistically significant differences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_linear_model

Generalized linear model

In statistics, the generalized linear model (GLM) is a flexible generalization of ordinary linear regression that allows for response variables that have error distribution models other than a normal distribution. The GLM generalizes linear regression by allowing the linear m...

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And rather than looking at win/loss ratio for example, we might be focusing on damage ratios in tandem etc.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:12 PM

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@fringe galleon so if the T-22 was a third Soviet tech tree med nobody would be here calling for its restriction?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Ideally, for T22 proponents, it is simply masked in the data and doesn't exert any determining factor(s).

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If the T22 was tech tree, there would be no problem. Other than the fact we'd be back in 2016 and instead of the 140 everyone would use the T22 XD

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:13 PM

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It’ll probably be worse tbh

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You have a select small sample of T-22 owners which consists of Obezyana like @thorn shale

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Probably would, because of superb turret and V shaped hull. But real problem is you could get it only for money (lots of money). And it gives you advantage.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Tanks do get cheaper as time goes by. 17k gold for a 121B is less than what it would take to free XP the 140.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:16 PM

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But you can grind the 140. Not everyone can afford the raw $$$.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Except you have an abundance on time, others have a resource in money.

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Not everyone has the time to grind a tier 10 either. Most people do, but that ain’t everyone. I used to think that way until Chaos Ascending proved that spending the money was actually more economical for him

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:17 PM

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To put my position in perspective, I have 92 vacant garage slots, most premium tanks (sold all tier 4 and below) and 29 tier X tanks all with multiple premium/named camouflages (including Mk.6 and M60).

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I ground out all lines (with premium account).

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I am not averse to premium items in game. And I understand how time can be a limiting factor (and has monetary value, thanks Einstein) for some people.

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Hence why I really like Amaunet's suggestion of using press accounts for tournaments such as the Professionals Tournament.

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Because in this manner the playing field is leveled for both the wallet warriors and the try hards alike.

AAAAaaaannnnd. By limiting such accounts to tournament use only, it doesn't disrupt regular game play.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:22 PM

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However, press accounts are exclusive. Wargaming does not like to hand them out for anything other than true offlines

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My entire issue with this entire discussion on special tanks is that when you get to the bottom, its about banning a single tank.

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:26 PM

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look you talk about T22 med but most of us dont have most t10s and then we are limited to use 2 or 3 tanks that we grinded. That is unfair too

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why cant players with lets say 500 tour battles get acc or get on main special t10 tanks that can be used in tournaments and training rooms only

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:28 PM

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WG still need to incentivise the grind.

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:28 PM

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I think you should all stop crying because you didnt buy t22 or m60 or 121b.. Someone wins with obj 140 and someone with 121b and its all same

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Not everyone has ever had access to the exact same tanks. Grinding a line takes weeks to a month, and not everyone has the time to grind a 140 the same way not everyone can pay for a T-22. And it will get cheaper

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Also T22 was a "reward" tank only with extremely slim odds of getting it. I am aware of people who spent A LOT of money and still didn't get one....

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#BlitzunFair

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Thats a crate system issue

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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their problem (players who spent money on WG), dont spend money on game and wg wont do it. They will do same with Badger and if we stop buying crates then they wont sell them

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Evidently some people do buy crates (I only burn credits/Free XP for them, never $$$).

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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I think CCs need to start kind of a revolution so wg stops selling crates, first @thorn shale spents a lot of money on crates example AMX 30B

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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I’m not a CC

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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still you have a lot of subs for wotb

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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I don't want to influence WG's business model. My only goal is to create the best esports environment possible at Tier X.

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:35 PM

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no but look Rolling, if they stop selling tanks in crates they will find new ways to sell them Seson pass I think in crates should only be camos, attachments and stuff that doesnt influence esports

forest matrix Apr 15, 2019, 1:37 PM

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It’s pretty obvious to me that eSports should be fully protected from pay2win risk therefore premium tanks. Debate never rose earlier cause 121b and mk6 being decent tanks. Obviously not the case for t22

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:37 PM

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My best intentions are to create the most fair environment possible. And I believe this is best up to Wargaming to decide, not participants ourselves or representatives of participating clans. I remember when the M60 retained 330 HEAT pen while everything else got nerfed in CW3NA

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:38 PM

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tbh 121b is much better then t22 med cuz its mix of 140, 62a and 121

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:39 PM

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@green sierra I have been playing esports since 2016 and probably viewed more esports matches more closely than anyone else on Blitz [not a brag, but a very serious observation] - the 121b is not as good/problematic for competitive gameplay as the T22 is.

In a very basic overview kind of way, many players have the 121b and don't use it. The few players that do have the T22 do use it in comp.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:40 PM

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The question then was if M60, what next? If a tank is horribly overpowered, then it is an issue for Wargaming’s balance department to resolve. Not by banning it because you think its OP and using p2w as an excuse.

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:41 PM

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oof your just talking what was said in secret chat, we dont need this again

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:41 PM

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If we don’t need “this” then you don’t need any discussion. Ban every tank except the IS-4 while you’re at it

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:42 PM

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If the T22 wasn't good IT WOULD NOT BE USED. I

n much the same way the M60, 121b and Mk.6 are all not used - in fact, we see more M48 game play. More E5 (closest parallel to Mk.6) and more 140/T62-A (parallel to 121b).

The T22 is used, by players that have it, in tournaments. The other Tier X vehicles available only for $$$ are not used as extensively.

forest matrix Apr 15, 2019, 1:42 PM

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121 or m60 don’t make u win clan wars. So that it is not p2w. But agree u can see the t22 issue as a balance issue

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:42 PM

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@atomic tartan read what I said, we dont need to repeat about M60 and its prammo

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:43 PM

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M60 Premium rounds are now on level with others, no?

green sierra Apr 15, 2019, 1:43 PM

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yea they are

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:43 PM

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@green sierra that died a year and a half ago

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The bigger question there was should CWCouncil be able to ban tanks. If yes, then M60. If M60, what’s next?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:45 PM

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We aren't discussing banning tanks. We are discussing the removal of P2W elements from esports.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Some players are always broke. Should we only shoot AP too?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Premium rounds can be purchased without investment of $$$.

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Credits can be earned effectively without the investment of $$$.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:48 PM

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T-22 will be available for gold later the same way 121b was

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Gold cannot be purchased for anything other than $$$. There in lies the problem with premium vehicles. They are behind a pay wall. If they offer a distinct advantage, then it is Pay2Win.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Making the T-22 purchasable knowing the high price of it would be the stupidest thing wargaming can think about

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:49 PM

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@winter swallow but a player with premium rounds in stock is more effective than one without, yes? Premium rounds cost more than standard, yes? Then you are paying to win.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:49 PM

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P2W in randoms is bad but not a game changern oting effects of random MM. P2W in organised competitive game play is a death sentence.

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Paying with credits is different to paying with $$$. We are exclusively focusing on items that can only be purchased with $$$.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:50 PM

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You can watch 5764357876434 ads to get gold. It takes time, but so does grinding a line

forest matrix Apr 15, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Omg ... too bad an interesting discussion always ends up with trolling. Good luck @winter swallow

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:51 PM

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What if they introduced better weapons for counter strike for only 200 euros. Is it okay?

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:51 PM

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I dont play counterstrike

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Some people do not have access to adverts. And at max 50 Gold per dayit is not comparable to grinding out a tier X tech tree tank....

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Youre using the same resource; time.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:52 PM

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i.e. it would take far, far longer.

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5 adverts a day for 400 days to earn 20,000 Gold to be precise.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:53 PM

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You dont get pay to win tanks if you have time to play. You need money.

forest matrix Apr 15, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Time is the most widely shared resource. Look how much time people are wasting here to convince u about something obvious

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Lol

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Discussion is the water that makes the seed sprout. Said me. just now. I am in favour of lengthy, reasoned debate.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Important discussion. For me it is clear that if P2W continues, competitive gameplay dies. Slowly but surely.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:55 PM

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The current status quo is on the side of @atomic tartan and other T22 proponents. By engaging us in discussion here they are only advancing our cause 😃

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My day job is debating EU policy btw... My literal job is to influence policy level decisions lol

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 1:57 PM

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We engage because if we don’t then now, then never.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 1:57 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/kummeli-thumbs-up-gif-12348671

Tenor

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Is T-22 impossible to nerf a bit? If not buff the others. And problem solved

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To limit the pool of tanks is in my opinion not a good idea. Better to develop cw so anyone can use any tank

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Anyone cant use premium or collector tanks.

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Like a cw tank rental

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Apparently Kummeli is a Finnish thing? I am inadvertently using Finnish pop culture in my GIFs now. What has happened to me?!

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Yes. Kummeli is finnish legend. Absolute classic comedy

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 2:14 PM

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T22 is the one splitting opinions in here. Real point of this topic isnt the tanks. Its the simple question do you want world of tanks blitz competetive gaming end slowly and surely or do you want to fight together against pay to win and keep this game alive we all love.

Competetive gaming isnt going to last if theres unequal basis, period.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 2:21 PM

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I want to play my 30b in tourny :v

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I don't have an issue withthat because it has tech tree parallels (Leo/Stb-1) and isn't OP. Remove its cupola and then maybe it would be broken.

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The T22 also has no weaknesses which I can see.... even Russian meds have weak side armour, poor gun depression values to keep them in check.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 2:29 PM

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I mean, it’s just another russian med. it trades dpm for armor

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Effective DPM is very high though...

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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The 30B is awful

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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The 30b is broken

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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The pike nose upper glacis is a liability. Its not as fast as the 140 and the gun isn’t as good, so for the brawls that 140s eventually go down to farm, it is not as effective

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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How about no lmao

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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armor on t22 makes it better brawler than any other med

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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^

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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T-22 won’t take away the place for other russian meds, but the 30b takes away the place from leo and stb in comp

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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No, Stb and leopard are miles better

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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^ Captain of EU team 1st place atm

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Okay?

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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1 v 1s between a T-22 and 140 did not produce a clear winner

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:32 PM

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I would never hesitate between picking the stb over the 30b and I play the stb quite a lot in comp

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:32 PM

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btw congrats on beating EROS 3:0 last night @pale finch

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Or @thorn shale is just a monkey. But both players averaged 3300+ in their tanks

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Thank you @winter swallow

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We went on k.o mode after throwing a 2:0 lead vs RA1D

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:34 PM

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o wow didn't realise they made a comeback like that

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:34 PM

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We threw the games where they did 2:1 and 2:3, big time

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Yea....reverse sweep

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:35 PM

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But it was nice to get that 3:0 vs ER0S afterwards, it was either players going full focus and become extremely motivated to win or becoming demotivated after getting our first loss

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Still, R-2-K guaranteed top 4 slot now with 9 wins.

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Yeah, we were already guaranteed after the first 7 games were over I think

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Not necessarily. In Twister some teams with 7/8 wins lost on tie breakers.

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Ah yeah, 7 maybe but I don’t think 8

chilly hemlock Apr 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Na is basically set after yesterday

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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8 for sure. I have the spreadsheet somewhere. 9 is 100% safe though.

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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EU is still somewhat open, I mean the top 3 looks relatively clear

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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NA Twister 2018 - 8 point team still didn't make cut.

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chilly hemlock Apr 15, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Tie breaker

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 2:39 PM

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we should win every single one of our opponents to make it through

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:40 PM

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3 might be enough

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 2:40 PM

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We lost yesterday to -1- crying

chilly hemlock Apr 15, 2019, 2:41 PM

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@winter swallow can you post current standings?

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Aim better : ) @fringe galleon

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Boi are you really using the 30b in comp @green plover

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 2:41 PM

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I cant aim

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 2:42 PM

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@pale finch maybe for one map but no ideas yet

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:42 PM

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lol wt- is that image ?!

chilly hemlock Apr 15, 2019, 2:42 PM

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We used the 30b yesterday

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 2:42 PM

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bigger and better.

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green plover Apr 15, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Thought my eyes were bad for a moment lol

chilly hemlock Apr 15, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Same

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Idk I don’t think the 30b cuts it for comp compared to the stb-1

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 2:45 PM

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It works like a stb and a leo

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 2:45 PM

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But it’s not nearly as good for peaking cuz of the cupola

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Ez- used one against us and every time he took a shot the cupola was just making him lose every trade

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 2:46 PM

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It’s still new to comp so idk what to say, maybe it’ll be good or will just be another bad tank no one will use

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Meh 30b much of the better @green plover non-russian meds much more in-superior in comp

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30b or russian meds or bat is the way to go 😃

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 3:03 PM

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U dont like E50M?

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:08 PM

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E50m is op

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Yeah for some maps and some positions it’s the best med for sure

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 3:11 PM

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That gun depression buff was unnecessary, rate of fire buff was enough

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 3:13 PM

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It took away something unique about the tank

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 3:20 PM

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e50m isnt the best tank really in any position. Its decent in comps because its a good tank overall but its not really meant for comps because it doesn't have a full niche but can do everything well

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:21 PM

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^^^good tank but comp doesn’t rly need a tank without speciality #take away is4 from comp

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:21 PM

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E-50M can be used to kill mediums effectively though

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 3:22 PM

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That’s the reason to use it, to brawl mediums, it’s a medium killer for sure

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:22 PM

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@signal lagoon at least on na nobody knows how to push properly with those jajajaja

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I wonder if there will be an e50m spam if is4 gets banned from comp

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:24 PM

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i used e50Ms effectively

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:25 PM

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@green plover Your team could use anything effectively lol

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:26 PM

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@green plover no u hated tj always drive out sideways

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Idk i just have a 140 fetish

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 3:27 PM

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I think one of the most important mindsets to learn in a tourney is just avoid the maus. If you have a free shot on its side go for it but it should just in general be avoided. Its a slow tank with a pretty meh gun

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:27 PM

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140 is typically better since its lower profile than e50M

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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E50M better at holding but honestly I don’t see the reason not to run a heavy if it’s for holding

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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e50m tho will always beat any med in a brawl. Its hillarious to just bully t54s while losing 200 Hp.

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Exactly, the low profile is what makes it the best med along with the dpm obviously

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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of course the dpm

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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@keen oar no one is talking about banning tech tree vehicles lol - stop with trolling fake news. Also you run a medeavy for holding as it also gives options for quick rotations and flexes.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:29 PM

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😏 t22 not op

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I don’t see how lack of experience against t22’s armor profile is an excuse to make it more op than other russian meds

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:30 PM

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its not op just has troll side armor and thats pretty much all it has going for it

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I mean its turret is also is4 level

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 3:31 PM

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It’s better than the IS4 turret, for sure

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:31 PM

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who tf is gonna shoot at its turret

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 3:31 PM

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T22 is just troll

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Hull down fights are common in cw

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:32 PM

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are you gonna keep peeking a hulldown t22 and shoot its turret or will you move to a better position

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:33 PM

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30b much more op change my mind

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 3:33 PM

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the point is that I have to move lol. Unlike with a 140 I can just spam gold at its turret

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:33 PM

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you dont even play comp idk why ur speaking

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Thats the point, t22 has advantage because better turret

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Use an Is-4 hull down against a t22 hulldown definitely the t22 is more likely to win

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:35 PM

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the question is why are u gonna be hulldown vs a t22

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:35 PM

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It’s essentially the same question as why to go hulldown to a t62a

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:35 PM

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With IS-4 and CS, if you keep shooting at T-22, you’ll eventually get lucky and pen

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Again I don’t think the lack of experience against t22’s armor profile is an excuse to make it op

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 3:36 PM

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But there are scenarios where u have to be hull down against a obj 140 or t62 and I can win. I can't beat a t22 in that scenario

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a M48 patton would probably beat a 140 or t62 if the m48 has calibrated. It wont beat a t22

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:36 PM

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exactly people are complaining that its op and its not op just has troll armor and people rushing shots and bouncing somehow make it "op"

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:37 PM

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There’s always scenarios, like u will not win a face hug contest against an e50m in no armor

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Honestly, if you ask me, at tier X, all collector and premium tanks ought to be banned; regardless of if they’re OP or not

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 3:37 PM

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^. Currently it isnt a major problem but the badger will be(Unless its nerfed to absolute garbage because the badger is really good at some stuff making it a niche role required for tourneys in some maps)

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Badger not a collector?

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Yes let’s bring up the topic of banning tech tree tanks now 😄

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:38 PM

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No tech tree tanks should be banned

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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i dont agree with the banning of prems/collectors

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Owo bann badger from tech tree so we can make it a collector pay money for it and then it gets banned from comp

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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@keen oar You do realize WG already said Badger won’t be a tech tree tank right?

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Damn, I thought the only reason wg created the role of collectors is so that they can balance them without telling anyone

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Can we just go to #tank-balance-discussion and discuss how t-22’s turret armor and traverse should be nerfed instead of complaining about banning all collectors here

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Other than hearthstone, no competitive game allows advantages that can only be purchased for money. And in some games ban lists are even more restrictive than that.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I’m sure in press acc for offlines all the tanks will be available?

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Why is everyone forgetting the main point of why those tanks need to be free for everyone to play big tournaments or banned from everyone. Its because of pay to win aspect not because the tank is better than other. Its about is this game going to last or not.

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@green plover So if you dont agree with banning prems/collectors. Do you agree big tournaments played with press accounts and all tanks free to everyone in those?

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 3:57 PM

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the game isnt gonna last because one tank?

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 3:57 PM

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This isnt about this one tank. Its about future of this game. Whats the point you dont understand?

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 3:57 PM

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If competitive playfield is unfair, its death blow for competitive playing. No point of playing.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 3:58 PM

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"Pay for a perk" as tj would say. How is it fair for a team to have access to tanks that another team might not, simply because of a paywall that happened months ago. That's the issue here. Not that tanks are better than others, but that teams have unbalanced access to them.

pallid raven Apr 15, 2019, 3:59 PM

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as long as the tanks are available for free to play competitive players it would be fair, eg tournament reward tanks?

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:59 PM

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TBH, I haven’t heard a single argument for why collector/prem tanks shouldn’t be banned other than dragonkrieg’s nonsense slippery slope argument

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Only argument is "we might have advantage on this"

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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the point i dont get is why is this a big deal it doesnt even create a huge advantage and the W1N guys are crying because they lost a game to it yesterday

pallid raven Apr 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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lol

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Pay to win is not big deal? Please.

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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🤦🏻

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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It’s a matter of principle

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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@signal lagoon for what level of tourneys should they be banned? Pros,echelon,Ascent? Quick. For example I would def say yes on pro and echelon and probably Ascent. But for quick t8 premiums are just spammed because a lot of people just play it for credit with friends

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Just because something isn’t a big problem doesn’t mean it’s not a problem

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@eternal breach They should be allowed for QT’s and off-seasons but nothing else IMO

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:02 PM

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cant brawl t22s even with e50ms

pallid raven Apr 15, 2019, 4:02 PM

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2k tournament games = a free t22/ discount

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:02 PM

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2k is like every tournament ever for na players

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:02 PM

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If we dont do anything about this, it will be a problem. T22 is first big step towards it. Whats next? Badger? You only look this one tournament and forget to look forward. How CS:GO would work if you could buy better weapons with 500$?

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:02 PM

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We are EU top cw clan and we are thinking quitting clan wars because playfield is unfair. That is not big deal?

pallid raven Apr 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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no

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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I’m not even near 2k I think personally because I couldn’t care less about quick tournaments etc so that’s just a stupid way of looking at it

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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i think we are not the only ones?

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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@fringe galleon I dont see how its unfair RN. . But its clear that premium tanks in tourneys are bad

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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I repeat what i said earlier "Competetive gaming isnt going to last if theres unequal basis, period."

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Its unfair because others have tanks we cant get access to.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Once again, it's not that the tanks are better than others, it's that they are different and everyone doesn't have equal access to them.

pallid raven Apr 15, 2019, 4:04 PM

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you can access it if you sell a kidney

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:04 PM

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No matter what i do i cant get T22 medium right now

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:04 PM

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No one in the R2K team has 2000 tournament battles so according to your logic the team currently leading the prof tourney wouldn’t have it but some 47% player who likes to play quick tourneys would 😂

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:04 PM

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tbf I run a premium tank in my tX tourneys(the m60) but thats mostly coz I got it in the lucky spin and Im too cheap too grind the m48 after getting the m60)

pallid raven Apr 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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its not my fault most clans are full of rerolls

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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owo i have 5k tourney games soon due spamming tier6 qts

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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@pale finch whats ur opinion on this

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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There’s only one reroll in the team 😴

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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3lmeri is probably most experienced quick tournament player in eu

pallid raven Apr 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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it rewards the people who has stuck around and played for a while

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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you guys face ra1d who have 2 T22's and then u face -1- who have a t22

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:06 PM

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my ex-clans leader has 500 more tourney games than i do

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:06 PM

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And EZ- has one T22

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:07 PM

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I already said my opinion before, I believe that there should be no collector or premium tanks in comps, either we should have press accounts for comp battles which gives us access to all T10 tanks or there should be no P2W tanks involved, not necessarily because the tanks are “ broken “ but because you shouldn’t be able to have any possible advantages in a competitive aspect of the game that you get by spending money. @green plover

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:07 PM

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yass we're waller warriors but come on we dont have that huge wallets

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by only spending money*

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Honestly, we haven’t been offered a single rational counter-argument at all, so at this point, I feel like this debate is over

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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But I want to run my m60 :(. lol(jk overall id be happy if I couldnt run my m60 for a blanket ban)

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Its not over until playfield is even. If it stays like this, im out. Simple.

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Those who want premiums and collectors in comp will just say whatever they want to defend the fact they want to use them for their own advantage, pure and simple

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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@fringe galleon improvise, adapt, overcome

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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And all of them/or their teams have T22 medium

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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why dont you run it in pubs? why is it necessary to run it in comp?

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Well that is the only reason to want them indeed, any reasonable person can draw the same conclusions @signal lagoon

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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@signal lagoon I mean the m60 is merely a m48 patton copy with a bit less armor and more depression

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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I see only 2 outcomes in this. 1. Competetive gaming is equal to everyone 2. Theres no players left to be equal.

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Honestly, I’m constantly disappointed that the top tournament teams from my server continue to make us look bad

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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My team owns and runs T22s, but we still think they shouldn't be allowed.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Nice 👍

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 4:12 PM

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make you look bad how?

fathom tiger Apr 15, 2019, 4:12 PM

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obviously everyone having it uses it since it's allowed to be used

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:16 PM

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@signal lagoon what do u mean by make us look bad?

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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There is no counter argument because it will make WGing hella amounts of money before they decide to spam it in store for affordable rates. Unless some very influential people actually speak up like this they would only have looked at the income value of such a rare tank. Not only is it unfair in tier 10 it’s also unfair at tier 8 if the players don’t have access to the same weaponry. GG. Make a fuss

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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In randoms those premiums/collector tanks arent that big problem but when it comes to esports its ridiculous idea

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I must say that the OP tier 8 tanks are equally available to most that have been on for a year

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:25 PM

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The t10 premiums are mostly well balanced. But in certain scenarios you need those premiums in maps

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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I would love some tier 9 only tournaments. All my favorite tanks

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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t9 is really well balanced . There isn't a single OP tank

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 4:27 PM

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All the tanks seem balanced towards speed. It’s much more fun

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 4:36 PM

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If you play tennis or golf you invest in good equips whats the difference to esports... just asking

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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The difference is you can't buy a unique tennis racket for $600 that only 1% of players will have for the foreseeable future

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Oh okay give us sponsorship who buys us tanks so we okay with it

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Could care less if prem/collector tanks get banned from comp. Haven’t had an issue when not using them.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Get that red bull sponsorship 🤔

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Tier 8 is a complete mess in terms of that but we’ll ignore that yea.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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@signal lagoon there is no single rational point against the T-22 either. People that believe its OP are just that; beliefs. The p2w thing is nothing more than an excuse to justify banning the T-22; if it wasn’t, this discussion should’ve began with the 121b. It ultimately comes down to whether or not the T-22 should be restricted from competition, and that comes down to personal opinions if a tank is too good or not

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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@flat goblet

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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How did you get there LOL. It's not that the tank is better, it's that it's different and players don't have equal access to it. This applies to all premium/collector 10s.

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Sorry, Are you missing the point about pay to win aspect? Its really not about using those tanks but giving equal basis to competetive gaming.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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@bold kettle Equal access does not exist. Most people don’t have all tier 10s.

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Because I don’t believe any of the tier 10 prem/collectors are “pay to win”. T-22 may as well be a heavy with its awful terrain resistances. You realize how slow the thing really is? It has just over half the effective hp/ton that the other russian meds have. The turret while good, isn’t impenetrable, and certainly not better than is-4.

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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But everyone can have tier 10 if they play. How i can get t22?

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Everyone has equal access to tech tree 10s. They are there to grind at any time without spending any money. Whereas premiums are only sold for a limited amount of time, and not everyone can afford to buy one.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Yea. If they grind for years they’ll have all tier 10s. Time is money

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

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The equal access thing makes sense.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:45 PM

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You can gold free xp too and grind lines faster. But you cant get premium tanks any other way than spending money

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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And if you look further, t22 is first one. Badger might be next and if WG make huge amount of money selling t22 again why dont they make badger ridiculously op and sell it for 500$ too? Only arguments you have that t22 isnt that op its not the point.

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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Imo it’s not good for a games most visible tank pool this tournament to include a tier x tank that is played less than 1% of pubs at tier x.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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If you want it, then spend the money.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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And how i can get T22 right now? How much i have to pay? Oh right its not for sale.

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We are playing professional tournament, it would be nice if we could have same tanks that enemies has

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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^^^^^

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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I just find it interesting it only comes up now when tier X prems have been a thing for some time now.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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If you want the tank then buy it when it goes for sale in a few months. Funny enough it takes weeks to a month to grind to tier 10 anyway

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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“ If you want it, then spend the money. “ - Ignorant mindset, not everyone has money to spend on a game, many players are students aged 16-19. Are they gonna whoop out maybe 300$ to have a chance at getting a tank in a crate? That’s just disappointing that you can even look at this thing that way. Smh.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@pale finch sir that sounds like a you problem.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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We have discussed this long time ago with our clan. And then was not wargaming server

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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I have the m60. I think it should be removed from tourneys.

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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You are missing the main point of this whole topic. Its about future of this game. We can let it go pay to win with no future or we can unite and keep this game reasonable about esports

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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I get what you mean fishy, but it comes up after when a premium fundamentally changes an identity of a tank class. Ie. Medium tanks with more armor than some heavy tanks

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Not necessarily a “ me problem “ since I bought the Mk6 personally but a “ you problem “ for a lot of players.

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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To play any game you need money and commitment, if u r a student at 16-19 then don’t play the game competitively

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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@pale finch im sorry mate but “i cant afford it and im losing against it” is really a personal problem

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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That's ridiculous @slender goblet

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Ironic. Most players are that age and exactly students. @slender goblet.

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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How is that ridiculous every game is like this

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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I have money. How i can get T22 medium?

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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@atomic tartan your points are leaning towards surly/trollish atm

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Most pro esports game are only time based commitments, and indirectly financial costs, such as living costs and job.

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Agreed

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Can you buy better guns in CS:GO? Can you buy op champions majority cant get in LoL?

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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You don't need to pay to play league of legends esports. You don't need to pay to play cs:go esports. You don't need to pay to play fornite esports. Why should you have to pay to access tanks for wot blitz esports?

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Ironically ppl don’t have those tanks are saying yes and ppl who have those tanks are saying no

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Im waiting when cs go introduces better weapons for 1000e. Wait, they are totally not doing it because it kills competitive playfield.

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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LOL ^^^^ @keen oar

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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@manic pewter exactly this. You don’t need to spend money “ to be competitive “ in LoL or Cs:go, it’s just laughable that people actually believe that these statements are “ valid points “.

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@pale finch where is ur data

dim pivot Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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"ah yes ur poor so ur already at a disadvantage but its not our fault"

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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^ Idk get why people are trying to defend premium tanks in high level comp tourneys

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Just like any other game we get through our equipment and champions or tanks or whatever tf it is through years of grinding

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I honestly think its only stupidity to think pay to win aspect is somewhat good to competitive gaming.

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I'm chuffed with this discussiond tbh. Main question- are WG listening/watching? (relevant to both sides)

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Data regarding what?

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Then you’re assuming the T-22 to be better, which is subjective. @fringe galleon

humble summit Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I mean if you wanted the tank so badly get a job and save up for it. Or if you have the money buy it. If youre serious about being in comp that and want something you feel has an advantage go for it. If not play something else. Like a golfer complaining about his shit clubs. Buy new ones or go bowling

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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That most players are between 16-19, so it’s just ur personal opinion?

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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T-22 being situationally better isn’t subjective

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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^

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Shouldn’t really be defended. The premise of having a tank others cannot have is not a good one. Whether the tank is better or not.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Exactly this

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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In hull down situations it is clearly better. Side armour is clearly better. Nothing subjective

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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From my personal experience of playing comp, attending an offline, knowing a lot of members in the competitive teams of many regions

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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U know less than on percent

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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It is so consistently good, it enables the player to do things that no other medium can do

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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The t22 being better overall is subjective. I think its slightly better. However objectively it clearly is better in certain scenarios and there is a restriction on it

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Also T22 isn't available to purchase right now...

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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So at the end of the day it’s ur opinion and not using hard data; also only a very small percentage of the player pool goes to offlines and that can not substitute for the whole population

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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What data do you have

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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T-22 being better overall is subjective 100%.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Once again, and to fishy's point, it's not that any premium/collector's tank is better than a normal one, it's that they are different and not everyone has equal access to them

humble summit Apr 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Maybe this is an argument that should hinge to the crate issue

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I started this conversation off by asking for data from pro tourneys... I can do the statistical analyses. But I mean ALL the data.

pale finch Apr 15, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I’m speaking of the competitive aspect of the game, why are you constantly changing topic? Believe it or not this conversation is about usage of such tanks in competitive tournaments such as the professional tournament and twister cup.

humble summit Apr 15, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Get rid of crates end of discussion

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:54 PM

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And in offline we have access to all the tanks

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:54 PM

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@humble summit the t-22 was guaranteed on the 5th stage of the event

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Prem tanks were allowed in twister. But that’s because everyone was allowed to have them (chieftain) and everyone was given all the tanks.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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So that is fair. Makes sense

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Also the chieftain is poop.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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How about if other teams didnt have any premiums tanks but other team did? And they were allowed to use them. Fair?

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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However, I don’t think they will change it. Since that was not the case for twister qualifiers or any other tournament.

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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mby if there would be better rewards in tours so you have the chance to buy the tanks you want if you win ?

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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The crux of my position is that the main arbiter between some people having a experience (and others not having one) shouldn’t come down to exclusivity and financial ability.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Life is unfair get over it, u might have all the tier 10s in ur garage but not everyone have played the game as long as you do

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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Get over it when esports are dead

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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^^^

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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It’s wargaming’s game, it’s not suppose to profit the players but the game. Why is it fair to the people who put in the time and money to only find out that there is an equality balance because some teams don’t have certain tanks.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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Life is unfair, but easily regulated, serious competition should never be. We should all be working towards making a change for the good of everyone.

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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is t22 a collector or a prem?

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Collector

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Wg can direct nerf the tank^^^

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I still think it’s funny that people are saying make it more fair blah blah but it only comes up in public now.

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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so they can nerf it... ezzz ... and problem is solved

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Anyways I go niaow bai

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Should also standardize crew skills while we are at it.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Someone mentioned that this server hasn't been around for very long. Was it here before the last twister cup? I don't think there have been any major tournaments until now so that explains why it's come up at this point.

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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ik the FV4002 would be OP if it had turret armor. But would players use it in tourneys? Lets say m48 patton levels of turret armor

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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so instead of this discussion, why not concentrate on easy achievable thing, try convince wg to nerf t22

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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^

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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^

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Because the tank isn't op. It's just different, and not everyone can get one.

dim pivot Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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They wont nerf t22, ppl spent 300$

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Because the tanks isnt the problem. Its about future of this games competetive aspect. We love this game and we want it to last. I dont know about you

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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getting personal @manic pewter ?

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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This shouldn't just be about T-22; it should be about all current and future collector/premium tanks

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Where that came from?

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Going around nerfing tanks isn't a solution. Removing crates isn't a solution either.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Find a different game have you not gotten use to what wg does yet

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Im still waiting when cs go or lol introduces that you can buy advantage with money

humble summit Apr 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Larry your english lmao.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Do u know that the economy is the advantage/disadvantage in league or csgo

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Can i buy better heroes or weapons that others cant get access to?

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Imagine being able to buy an awp that does 10% less damage but reloads 5% quicker in cs:go. It will only be sold once a year, at a price of $2000.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Yes

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If u put time and skill into it u can buy an aug on second round or an infinity edge in the first 12 mins

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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?

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Larry I’m sorry but csgo economy isn’t blitz crate game

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Lets wait then WG introduces tier 11 tanks and it can be used in tournaments. Only for 10 000 euros

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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And that's purely based on skill, so what's your point?

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Its well known pay to win is killing games so i dont see any reason why to support that.

dim pivot Apr 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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~~right now, i m just hoping wg dont sell t22 again~~
Which is unlikely

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Bc nobody buys wg camos since they put no effort into them

low badger Apr 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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What

vital obsidian Apr 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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or attatchment 💸💰

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Everything is about money now, esports is money sports itself like American football and actual football is moving toward money making rather than about the game. The environment is changing beyond virtual games

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Most things are horridly overpriced in blitz nowadays. Feels F.

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If WG knew how to monetize and promote properly they could actually be making some money off of esports.

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#madgamestournaments

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 5:08 PM

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I hate that especially tier x prems/collectors arent for sale permanently. If they would be sale permanently then i would accept them

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Main problem is that we dont have any way to get t22 during prof. tournament.

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I don’t think it fits the solution.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Not solution, but i think it would be better

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Still paying for a tank that others might mot be willing/able to spend for. Still doesn’t satisfy earlier points.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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It's a step in the right direction, and it doesn't cause any issues money wise for wargaming

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Prices would be alot more than they are now i think. Biggest problem i see here is that Badger is going to be prem/collector, what its price going to be? Would it be nearly impossible to get as t22

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Are you going for change or “change”

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Yep, if it is sale you can get it if u can afford. Now you cant get them no matter what you do

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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also what if the t95e6 was op. That tank was literally limited. Almost no one has it

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Don’t half ass solutions. Satisfy the constraints.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Change is banning premium/collectors from tier 10 comp
"Change" is making them available at all times behind a pay wall

Obviously the first solution is ideal.

faint scaffoldBOT Apr 15, 2019, 5:12 PM

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dynoSuccess Posit1ve_ [_V_]#6357 has been warned.

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:12 PM

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T95e6 is straight up better e5.

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:13 PM

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RIP what did positive say

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Likely something earlier.

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Imagine nerfing an already balanced tank like the t22

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Anyways, if you all think t-22, 121b, chieftain etc is bad on blitz, you should see wot pc.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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😂 👆

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PC has so many reward tanks that are straight up broken

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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No one said its OP here.

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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You will experience actually broken tanks. Best part is you can’t even buy them, only “earn”

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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That's why PC sucks and we play Blitz

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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“No one said its OP here.”

People were definitely claiming better earlier.

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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If one thing is more broken than you aren't allowed to talk about your own problem. This is like saying a person in America's depression doesnt matter coz People in Africa have no food

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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?

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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what

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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You are comparing it to PC which you say is more broken

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Well dont we want to stop this nonsense before it is at same point than in PC WoT?

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I have seen more than enough pc wot crap, and thats very good reason to keep blitz fair for everyone.

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Oh, for sure. I’m simply saying a bit of perspective helps you see more clear. That is all.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Yep

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Imagine badger being released back when GP was a thing

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 5:19 PM

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🤣

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Lol

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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7 Badger strats reveal

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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I’m concerned about badger.

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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ez flank strats

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Promote dynamic gameplay^^^

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Tier 10 is starting to look like tier 8 tbh. At least tournaments haven’t gone to the level of 7 premiums yet.

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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7 badgers line up back to back in a circle. Best strat ever conceived 🤔

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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You’d be able to keep them as anchors and just play around keeping them alive. Not at all like e3.

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Badger is definetely very concering due to the very niche role

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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It won’t be super niche thanks to blitz maps, i’ll tell you that.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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It’s concerning because it’s not niche

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Isn't this another reason to do something about premium/collectors in comp?

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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From the videos WG released in #561189622768467968 it seems that the badger will be playable in all sorts of positions

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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@thorn shale it can do a lot of stuff decently but it also has a very specific niche role which may be required for tourneys

humble summit Apr 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Gj tj.

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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It’s not just Badger; what’s next? Collector Foch B?

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@humble summit ?

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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lol you know why 😉

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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?

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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@eternal breach I think you should relook the definition of niche. Generally tanks that are heavily used in tournaments are used because they are useful is many positions/play styles. The less niche a tank is, the more likely it is to be useful

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IS4 or 268 being the perfect example

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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sry I mean it can occupy a niche which no other tank can occupy but it can do other stuff. For example the cheetah in real life can eat and "brawl" other animals but it also occupies the niche of extreme speed

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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🤔

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I think you’re better off saying the Badger is multi-purpose then 😂

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Uh. So what you’re actually trying to say is that it will completely dominate everything in its niche and still be good in other areas.

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:26 PM

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^

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Can confirm

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Only will cost $100 for 5 crates with 1% drop. Enjoy 🤣

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:28 PM

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1% far too generous, you forgot the decimal point

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:28 PM

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And it'll be sold once every 6 months

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:28 PM

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As long as a game kept introducing new content more and more things will become imbalance

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:29 PM

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speaking of that I get WG wants to make new tanks expensive but some of the new tanks prices are absurd like p58 mutz which is the most generic t8 medium. I can understand the lorraine costing 17k gold originally

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Wasn’t worth 17k

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It’s nice but not 17k. Rip.

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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I wouldn’t even pay 8k gold for that

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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I mean it wasnt but it was something new(autoloader prem) but the p58 was so boring and WG made it super overpriced

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I mean the lorraine was atleast unique. The p58 mutz was literally nothing but an amaglation of all the t8 meds

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Wg creating new comtents -> player base: histoical accurate pls

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Here's my proposal for premium/collector tanks. Feel free to critique.

Option 1:
All tanks are available to rent, but are restricted to tournament battles. 1 million credits for 1 week of renting. (Even tech tree tanks could be rented 🤔) You could also have a gold price, maybe 1k gold, to rent for the same amount of time.

Option 2:
Ban premium/collectors tanks from higher level competitive play. i.e. pro season, twister cup, those offseason championship things.

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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If rent no gold

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Free or Credits only

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Interesting

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Btw about equipment it would come fully equipped?

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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@bold kettle I like the idea of renting collector tanks. Not so much tech tree. Tech tree are free to grind and therefore should be reward for people who spend the time to grind them. Renting tech tree will promote rerolling IMO

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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No, buy equips first time

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Or solution 3 Theres press accounts to big tournaments

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Be like wows renting tonks for only tournys xdddd

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Free physical tank rental. But you get nothing else.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Press account is bad idea

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Again would be an insult to people who have ground out all tech tree tanks

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Press accounts for things like prof tourney? Waaaaaaay too much manual work for WG.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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^ that too

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Free tank with 100% crew, no ammo, equipment, consumables, or provisions. I think that sounds like a really good deal tbh.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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^

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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^^

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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But for tournaments use only

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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^^^

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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And only collectors/premiums IMO

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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True that. But in competetive gaming those things should be available for everyone

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Definitely not tech tree tanks.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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That’s what we are saying @manic pewter

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We are proposing a rental system for everyone

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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A rental system that only includes prems and collectors for tournaments only

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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You’ll just get reroll bots and fake players if you can rent an IS-4. And pay-per-tourney is probably a better idea

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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or even better idea qualifying for pros give you a ticket for 3 tanks rental for 2 months in tourneys

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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YES

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Certificates*

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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That's a genius idea @eternal breach

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Should work for top echelon too and maybe middle

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Rip

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Maybe a mod could retrieve that?

keen oar Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I mean it won’t stop ppl from complaining t22 is op but it will solve a lot of problems

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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All that typing, F

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Fatness is gonna do 113GFT, 263 and WZ-121 so he won’t have to play IS-4.

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Lmfao plz retrieve and send me idk why it got deleted

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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The tank itself isnt the problem and never been. Access to it have been.

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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too many caps?

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Ngl, seemed like the tank was the issue by how people were talking about it.

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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It definitely was the issue

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I didn’t say anything bad in there. No swear at all

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Then the issue evolved to seem less about the tank, webhink

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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But what we’re looking at here is the grounds to a solution

bold kettle Apr 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Regardless the issue is access, and renting + reward certificates solves that

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Now we come to the cold reality of the situation

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All this typing and wonderful ideas

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Aight well I’ll just go back and retype and make sure to copy/paste next time

atomic tartan Apr 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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The next step is how we’re going to figure out implementation.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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And WG will probably never implement ANY of them

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I like the idea. Now I can play meds and TJ isn’t saved by the fact he’s the only person on the team with the tanks :p

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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@flat goblet again I think the t22 is a bit overtuned but its subjective. I def dont believe its at nerf levels and WG should only nerf premiums in really bad scenarios like smasher/wz120

flat goblet Apr 15, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Tradeoffs. T-22 gets more troll armor for quite a bit worse mobility and weaker gun stats.

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WZ 120g is a joke

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:43 PM

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^

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The t-22 outrage about its OPness is certainly overblown

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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anyway id say the t22 is at e50m levels of OPness. Not OP enough that its game breaking but one of the better meds at tier X

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Having played mine extensively in comp, I honestly sometimes prefer to drop it for 140

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The gun is painfully bad

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And the poor acceleration/ground resistance makes it hellish when trying to run/rotate from bad situations

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But sometimes you get mega troll bounces and then it’s fun 😋

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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As captain of the current #2 team in NA Stopping P2W in tournaments is for the sake of all players, even for those who currently defend the use of the t22 because they were one of the few who spent 600$ to obtain it. Think about the future when wg decides to continue selling more broken tier 10s for 600$, every tier 10 they sell is just going to force you to waste a further 600$ just so that you aren’t outclassed by other teams who actually paid to win. So even though you may find yourself to lose the advantage of having a large wallet now, in the future the solution of either making these tanks available to everyone in tourneys or banning them completely is for you’re sake as well. Those trying to support the fact t22 is not op and can technically be obtained by watching a million ads are just playing into WG’s cards and playing yourselves in the future when, to be able to compete every player needs the most recent of WG’s broken tier 10s. End the cycle now before tier 10 turns into tier 8/7 , before we start getting is4 defenders for 1000$ cuz at that point we’re all losers, wg is the only winner by forcing the comp community to buy into their ridiculously overpowered pay to win tanks.

umbral anchor Apr 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Hi there, can someone tell me if WG was testing something

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median mantle Apr 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Well said @toxic lintel

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:19 PM

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@toxic lintel I didn’t spend $600 👀

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I’m not talking to you tho, just in general it costed around that

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I still have yet to see a T-22 be the reason a team won a match. Until that happens, simply can't say T-22 is P2W in tournaments.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Jokes aside, I think you have a point about the future of the game and tier 10 tournaments. But once again I’ll disagree that the T-22 is OP

signal lagoon Apr 15, 2019, 6:21 PM

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T-22 is the cause of the discussion, but it's not the ultimate purpose of the discussion

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Wise words @toxic lintel Its not about t22. Its about future.

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I mean as long as we as a blitz community know where we want the future of the game to look like and agree as a community this is what matters

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It not fair to let wg milk us for the sake of tournaments and that’s main discussion of why collectors/premiums should either be banned or made available for tourneys to all players

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:24 PM

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It's a good point that you made, if WG actually were releasing over-powered collectors/premiums. The only tank in discussion of being over-powered is the T-22, all the other 5 aren't in question. The teams with the most T-22s aren't winning every series and going undefeated. Clearly no W in the P2W claim. As for the future, only hope is WG stop spamming collectors/premiums in Tier 10 because I don't see them banning the tanks from competitive use. If so, only thing that can happen is Gentlemen's Agreement between all the clans in Prof/Twister tournaments where we all agree to not use x,y,z tank in tournaments.

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Well maybe players think it’s op becuase they don’t have it, if everyone has it for tournaments the situation is going to be looked at much differently. Regardless you have to admit that the t22 outclasses a lot of the tech tree meds. It’s fine to admit it, no one will get mad at you. In my opinion tho t22 is very good tank and actually I think the t22 is a very balanced tank against the very heavy meta of the is4. In a way t22 is balanced against is4s it’s just not balanced against other meds. The problem around it started because It completely outclasses every other medium tank in the game

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:36 PM

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It doesn’t though

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It outclasses them in certain aspects

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Even if it isn’t OP. We don’t know till we own it

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:37 PM

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I own one

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@winged anchor

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And I’ll tell you it’s not OP

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Ya but we can’t be satisfied with that

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Ask any of teammates who see me play it. My performances are usually better in the 140 than the T-22 😂

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Except it doesn't out class every medium? Only thing it outclasses every other medium on is armor, which at best is questionable in many situations. It has horrible shell velocity and is horrendously slow for how massive it is. I can speak from experience seeing TJ, who I consider to be on of the smartest players in the game, struggle in the T-22 because of how bad the disadvantages of the T-22 are. Once TJ gets into a 140, he performs a lot better.

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 6:38 PM

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You can’t make the claim until you have much collected data from different skill lvls of players

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:40 PM

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I perform much better against 140 than against T22.

winged anchor Apr 15, 2019, 6:40 PM

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For experienced players it may be obvious. But who wins when 2 sub 50%er teams go tourney

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And 1 team has all t22s

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Honestly it doesn’t matter if it’s op or not. Everyone will have different opinions and it’s subjective. What matters is we as a blitz community agree to stop wg from milking us with collector tier 10s and make collectors and premiums open to all players in tournaments

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This is the most fair and direct solution to the problem

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Badger will come for hundreds of euros and will replace E3...

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Or at least have a rental option like we discussed earlier

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:42 PM

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You're making an assumption, not stating a fact about the Badger.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Yes, i dont know about badger because apparently we are not good enough for getting test tanks. But my point is if they keep selling tier X prems/collectors you have to buy them to keep your lineup competitive. And that is pay to win at its best

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:43 PM

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But you don't have to buy them to stay competitive?

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:44 PM

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If they are better than tech tree counterparts, yes you have. Or enemies will have advantage by using money.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Well that’s the debate right now

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Are they better than tech tree counterparts. I would say it’s hard to tell.

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 6:44 PM

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"Expect the best, prepare for the worst"

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@thorn shale so you bounce more shells in the 140 then the t22 you say?

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Stop arguing over this. We need to agree as a community to just have rental/available to all players during tournaments

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:45 PM

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@narrow meteor t22 can bounce more but 140 is more flexible and better at dealing damage

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 6:45 PM

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I agree with korahkorah. We need to unite as players who love this game and want to keep it decent in competitive gaming

hoary lily Apr 15, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Anyone else having ping issues in tournaments?

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:46 PM

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You took on like 3 of our players by yourself in that thing

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:46 PM

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I killed a BC who was clipping

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I killed a 140 was much lower health than me

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And then I was against you in a turretless TD and that was all

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Could’ve done the same in the 140

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Watch the stream back and you’ll see I don’t bounce any shells in that final engagement, just kill tanks that can’t really fight back

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Chip, your statement sounds more OP than the actual situation.

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:49 PM

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It’s not op, just a good situational tank in comp

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Should we keep typing our statement as a group? "We want competitive gaming to have equal basis"

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Also watch the first Mayan game against us. @narrow meteor me and Enzyme in our T-22s were some of the first tanks to die

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Tj I just watched it back, you took on a 1200 hp 140, and 1400 hp batchat. You came out on full hp...

toxic lintel Apr 15, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Y’all need to stop arguing here, when wg reads this we’re gonna sound like a bunch of children to them. We want them to actually listen for once not treat us like kids lol. If you wanna debate whether t22 is op or not just do it in dms

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 6:50 PM

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^ yeah we need to discuss about tourneys and prem tanks

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:50 PM

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@toxic lintel first of all there is no argument

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Me and chip are having a friendly discussion about previous tournament games

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And how the T-22 performed in those games

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Yeah but Korah, didn't this all start because "Omg, T-22 OP, I don't have it, it's not fair" I think it's fair to argue that the T-22 isn't OP and that clans who don't have T-22s aren't missing out on much.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Why all clans that have T22 are using it all the time?

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:52 PM

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@narrow meteor are we watching the same thing?

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 6:52 PM

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I agree with the 1st statement. T22 is not OP. Its at best e50m levels of OP. A bit on the overtuned side but not brokenly OP. But clans who dont have the t22 are missing out on a lot for clan battles

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:52 PM

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@fringe galleon that’s the thing, T-22 isn’t used all the time

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:52 PM

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@thorn shale I’m watching game 2 on Mayan sorry

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:52 PM

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I go down to a 1 shot at the end 🤔

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Definitely lose HP

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Using them or not, are they winning because of the usage of the T-22? @fringe galleon

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:53 PM

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No they are not, but they get advantage. If there is 140 and t22 hull down. 140 cant peek at all. Advantage.

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:53 PM

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T22 can only be used on certain maps, but boy do they shine on those certain maps

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 6:53 PM

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U shooting the rock has nothing to do the with t22 @narrow meteor

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 6:54 PM

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WG isn't gonna stop selling prem tanks at tier X. They are flat out saying we are gonna sell the badger. There are definetely gonna be battles won because one side is able to have a badger and the other isn't

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Yes you go down to one shot, I got two shots in the side on you

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:54 PM

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And enzyme penned me twice

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Please make badger so ridiculously op and expensive so everyone can understand why tier x premium tanks are not good

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Badger already has a price? News to me.

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Sí but I’m talking about before me and enzyme decide to go for you

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:56 PM

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5000 euros or dollars and best td available. Awesome

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Can you link me to where WG announced this?

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:56 PM

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@narrow meteor your BC was on clip reload

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 6:56 PM

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It was a joke lmao. But im hoping its expensive and super super op so we can experiment true pay to win

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And I dont care because im quitting comp after prof until playfield becomes fair for everyone

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:57 PM

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And you guys were focus firing Fatness behind me @narrow meteor that’s why I didn’t lose HP for a bit

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 6:57 PM

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If anything, TJ was almost screwed over by playing the T22 because the driver died super easily.

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 6:57 PM

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U guys were focusing fatness down lmao @narrow meteor

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Yea that’s why didn’t lose HP for a little while

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Yeah I know

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Yeah! I was tunneling Sam and got clipped by the BC and shot by both 140s. Good fun!

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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😂

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Tunneling noob @dry flint

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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@dry flint how can anyone ever dislike you?

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Should have hid behind you tbh. Lesson learned.

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I don't think that's a good mindset for anyone playing competitive. You're quitting about a tank WG hasn't released yet and not finalized the stats for it. @fringe galleon

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 6:59 PM

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WG won’t read all of this. They will read my 2 page brief that distils this conversation down into the essential parts of both sides of the arguement.

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It will be presented as neutrally as possible.

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Also. Slow mode is another timer I really don’t need in my life after spare parts....

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:00 PM

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😂

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Im not quitting because badger. Im quitting because playfield is unfair. We cant get access to tanks that some teams have. I dont wanna compete if i cant get same assets than others. I have better things to do in my life

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Make sure you mention the worry about the badger having an incredibily good niche role

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:01 PM

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@winter swallow will I get a chance to read that brief? 👀

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I would very much like to

winter swallow Apr 15, 2019, 7:01 PM

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@thorn shale will circulate with pros and team heroes first.

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:01 PM

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@fringe galleon In the end, it comes down to team play and execution of strats that make a difference. Tanks are only a small portion of how well a team performs.

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Okay so you're quitting because of the T-22. Which only excels in armor over the 140 and has a lot more drawbacks than advantages. You do you, I guess. 😂

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:01 PM

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❤ @winter swallow

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Aphro missing the point?

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:02 PM

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You are completely missing the point. Im quitting because playfield is not fair

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Why would you quit getting the chance to make money?

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:02 PM

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No, I got that, but the playfield is fair. Everyone has a caller and 7 players.

tender swallow Apr 15, 2019, 7:03 PM

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????

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fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:03 PM

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If its fair then tell me how we can get access to T22

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Quitting because something is u fair is the reason people lose. Fairness doesn’t exist in life. You just have to outthink it.

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:03 PM

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If you think tanks win games, I don't think you understand what competitive is about. I don't mean to be rude, but you're missing the point of competitive as a whole. 😉

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:03 PM

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T-22 is a red herring for you it seems @fringe galleon

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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There is no point of competitive gaming with others having even a slight advantage.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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I think you are disproportionately placing blame on a tank, because of a loss in a tiebreaker, and that is hurting your thought process

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I can’t see inside your mind of course, but that is how it seems to me

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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We arent blaming a tank. Thats your conclusion

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Its not about T22... more about that i cant have access to that tank no matter what i do. And none of our team. T22 is example, there is more and more premium tanks coming and im not gonna buy them to keep my lineup competitive

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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But you are blaming the tank. You are saying it isn't fair because other team has it and you don't.

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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But that’s where your premise is flawed I think @fringe galleon your tank lineup is competitive without the T-22

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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The wz 120 wins games by a longshot

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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We aren’t talking about that @eternal breach

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I repeat this again "Competitive gaming isnt going to last if theres unequal basis, period."

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Maybe it is, maybe not. We are not top4, but reason is not that we dont have any T22. Im just gonna stop playing competitively if there is tanks that everyone can not get. I wanna play in even battlefield

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:07 PM

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I mean, why didn’t you quit when the 121b and chieftain were added? Why now?

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Because of one tank you’re not in top 4? That’s hilarious

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:07 PM

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I just said that is NOT the reason

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:07 PM

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You contradict yourself in 1 sentence.

We are not Top 4, but it's not because T-22
We're quitting comp because some teams have T-22 and we don't.

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Can you read?

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Relax lol it’s just a joke

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:08 PM

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XD if it was joke then good one, i was about to get triggered

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Let’s just chill out guys. He’s allowed to state his opinions and quit if he wants. That’s his decision.

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Okay i stop whining now, english is not my first language and it may be reason why i think you misunderstand me. All good, but im not liking the state of game right now

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:09 PM

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😂

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Trust me though, life will never be fair and if that makes you quit, then life is gonna be quite difficult.

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:09 PM

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End of the day it’s your decision to play or not and WG’s to either change what they have been doing for years or keep it the same

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Im old enough to know that life is unfair and whining doesnt help. But im stupid

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@dry flint seriously who hates you? I want to know

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@narrow meteor everyone loves you

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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They havent been doing this in blitz for years. Its going to be problem in future.

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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{X} Doubt

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Dude, trust me I understand your frustrations. I got racked first game of twister. Sure I was super mad about it, but I learned something. Use my repair kit within .01 second of my rack getting smashed. 😂

thorn shale Apr 15, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Fatness is such a noob for not knowing that beforehand 🙄

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Smh

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Frustration and anger can be good because it freshes our brain. You think different when you let your anger come out

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Tbh, I got double tapped within a second. :((

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I ammoracked 2 enemy meds in one game yesterday with e50m and was not mad at all😇

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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y ammorack when u ram

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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But i hope you understand if we let pay to win come in this game. Its going to die slowier than it does without it

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:13 PM

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The thing is, it already exists. From day one of the game being released.

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:13 PM

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^

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Maybe try fortnite, no advantages to buying skins there. :))

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Ew no

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:13 PM

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😂

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:14 PM

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@dry flint Fake news, the guy with the green skin, I could barely see him in the grass. Advantage.

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:14 PM

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@narrow meteor plenty of people hate me. I once carried my team 5k damage and my own teammate DMed me saying I was trash and that I let him die.

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:14 PM

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The guy with the bush is hard to kill

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Not like this. They have balanced things afterwards and it have been better than what its going towards.

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Bush is spawned from chests tho. Equal odds. Fortnite most fair comp prove me wrong 🤣

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Actually super RNG based. I take that back

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:16 PM

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RNG isn't fair in Blitz. Prove me wrong.

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:16 PM

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If I change clan tag to rng maybe we get better rng in game

manic pewter Apr 15, 2019, 7:16 PM

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It is if you cross your fingers and pray for RNGsus

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Um, ammo rack memories flash before my eyes

fringe galleon Apr 15, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Pro players have better teams and rng

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:17 PM

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You know, I’ve had at least 20 people in the last 30 days say the game is rigged for me. Maybe you have a point 🤔

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Stop paying for better teams and RNG @dry flint

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:18 PM

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You think the money I spent in 2016 is still helping me? Dang. I should start giving WG money again. Maybe I become 80%wr now.

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:18 PM

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You didn't know? It's in the fine print of every container/bundle you buy. Obviously says "You'll be blessed with good teams and RNG".

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@dry flint @green plover you know if you change you clan tag to PRAMO, you’ll get better Rng 😉

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Hmm, how have I been doing this to myself for so long. 😂

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Can't believe you Fatness, living under a rock this whole time. Come, join me and lets open some more 30B containers.

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Tianshi 100!

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:19 PM

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what was PRAMO called before?

slender goblet Apr 15, 2019, 7:20 PM

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NE

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:20 PM

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I haven’t ever opened a crate . Is it fun???

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Pramo names -> Krieg -> USC*M->NE->Pramo. Here ya go @eternal breach

narrow meteor Apr 15, 2019, 7:22 PM

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So if I opened a crate for the 30b and got it, but I didn’t play any games can I trade it in for a t22 😉

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:22 PM

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@narrow meteor o perhaps

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:22 PM

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lol id trade my m60 for a wz 120

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Yes, the sound the container makes when it hits the concrete and then the sparking lights when it opens with the beautiful purple which stands for purple WN8 will make you moist. @dry flint

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:22 PM

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I take that back, I opened one form Christmas event. Got a Hellsing. :3

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:23 PM

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atleast I didnt get the grave digger in my lucky spin..

green plover Apr 15, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I’ll do it for 2 amx 30b crates @narrow meteor

dry flint Apr 15, 2019, 7:23 PM

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M60 is good tho. Why trade for WZ? 🤔

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I think he means the OP Tier 8 TD

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:24 PM

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lol ^

peak terrace Apr 15, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Not the Tier 9 pleb medium with -3 gun depression

eternal breach Apr 15, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Im talking about the lucky spin. I dont mind the m60 overall. I was probably gonna be happy in that spin with anything but the gravedigger or 200k free xp (I already had the tankenstein so it was 10k gold)