No. Before the prammo nerf was the best meta. Tanks were balanced. Games were fluid.
#rating-battles
balmy tiger
agile sphinx
@molten whale The comp meta was fine, it's the rest of the game that everyone other than the top clans in each server have to deal with that was ruined by the heavy and TD spam
next gull
Remove the playerbase, the game will be better.
fallen mortar
Remove tanks pls add candy crush
bleak crest
Before the t62a and obj140 turret nerf they were better hull down than a lot of heavies so here was no reason to play anything but Soviet meds. Now it's better, no question but number aren't that extreme because of MM limiting certain types of tanks. There were teams of 6 tds, now there are 6 lights or meds. But it's just temporary because the last lines were meds and lights. When next td line will be introduced we'll have a td spam for sure.
grand zinc
When does this rating season end?
crimson goblet
29th
pine falcon
Bruh I forgot this month was short
hollow night
@balmy tiger Actually, meds are back. Started with the Progetto's during twister, and now in my current strats, I use the same number of Soviet meds as I use FV heavies actually
calm quail
@agile sphinx The beauty of the game is movement - for you.
The beauty of the game lies in the variety of ways the game can be played, whether you prefer to hold positions, provide support fire, or flank around and brawl. Centering the game around only movement would alienate many players whose playstyles are dissimilar to yours.
wind moonBOT
TheLeftFootedSultan#7531 has been warned.
scarlet vale
Look this 6 kill
agile sphinx
@calm quail The game is about movement, you cannot try and argue against that because it's literally the point of the game. That means gameplay needs to include more movement than anything else, as in meds need to be the most popular class. If people don't like movement, then they are in the wrong game.
native marten
Honestly that sort of thinking is just wrong. First of all, the name shouldn’t just immediately determine the dominant class. That’s like having League of Legends have the champions that are some sort of legend from the lore be the dominant champions, like what? Sounds awful, and that’s because it is. Second of all, why even bother adding heavies and TDs then if the game is about moving fast? Might as well just remove both of those then, they can’t move very fast
half crow
Ok, anybody remember what I said? I legitimately don’t anymore
agile sphinx
@native marten What sort of thinking is wrong? The game is literally intended to be fast paced and it's not just because it's called blitz. TDs and heavies give a bit of variety to the game, and they should be there without ruining what the game is about like they have done for a little while.
undone pulsar
Meta shifts are very dramatic in blitz. Originally it was russian meds, then heavies/tds, now light/meds
next gull
It is obvious that mobile tanks are best suited to the game. At least in random games.
However E3, Maus... are always present in tournaments. There must be a strategic reason why the best teams feel the need to use heavily armoured (hence slow) tanks.
hollow night
With the exception of Sheridans, the tournament meta is pretty balanced right now, and has been for the past few months.
Ever since the FV215b consumables, Progetto, Foch autoloader, etc... the meta has sped up considerably because teams have discovered that DPM is enough to break the old armor/alpha camp meta.
Now teams generally use a good mix of heavies and meds. 215b's are the backbone of most teams (and those aren't super heavily armored), and meds are quite common, especially Progetto and the Soviets, and Foch 155 (which acts more like a pseudo-medium). Teams still pick things like IS-4 here and there, but it's much more rare, and has been since the meta shift.
Even if Sheridan were outright removed, the meta would remain fast because the fact is that mobility and DPM can overcome armor and alpha, and teams have now reached a point where they have a good understanding of how to employ this fact.
If anything, Sheridan actually slows down tournament meta because missiles can deny aggressive postures with their unblockable alpha, and the low DPM makes it better in longer, more drawn out games.
Also @balmy tiger 2017 called, they want their meta back. No one runs the IS-4/268 meta anymore because T-22/215b/Foch will make short work of those heavy, campy strats
warped anvil
@agile sphinx I’ll give you one thing, you are single minded, to the point of belligerence. If you were right about the game being meant to be purely fast paced, as someone pointed out above what’s the point of having the wide variety of heavies and TDs that the game has got? However, the fact remains was that my original post (that began this particular conversation about team composition within ratings) pointed out the disproportionate representation of medium/lights on that particular day, almost 30 straight battles with a minimum of 5 but more usually 6 or 7 medium/lights per battle on each side. Thus rendering the token heavy or TD (when they did appear) almost irrelevant.
I’d love a WG dev or contributor to chip in on this thread and either back your point of view or bury it.
agile sphinx
@warped anvil The game isn't purely fast paced I never said that, it is based around movement. That means meds need to be the most popular class which now they are. The game is finally how it is supposed to be or somewhere closer than it was before. Get some actual stats instead of just random claims because I tend to see 3 meds per team and 2 TDs and 2 heavies from what I remember, tomorrow I will actually get some stats for you. TDs and heavies aren't irrelevant in a medium meta they are just not as useful, they still have their jobs that they excel at. I don't see how you can't understand that having exactly the same amount of each class in each game isn't necessary for balance.
warped anvil
Once again please point out where I said that there should be the same number of types of tanks on each team? 😂 you continue to put words in my mouth. I can see that despite repeating myself multiple times regarding there being 5,6 or 7 medium/lights on each team you seem unable to read those words.
I am grateful that quite a few other players and contributors to this thread have backed up my point of view and disagreed with yours, which appears to be that the game should be dominated by mediums and lights, an opinion with which I for one completely disagree.
agile sphinx
You said you wanted a balanced amount of tanks of each type on a team, which to me means equal amounts but apparently to you it means something different. What exactly do you want to see changed? The game should not be dominated by lights and mediums but they should be the more popular class to avoid boring campfests. If you don't think blitz should be about movement then you are playing the wrong game
tired vault
Honestly just make ratings only tier 10 again
fallen mortar
4 tds and up is just a pain 4 heavys is just a very slow game or they all lock themselves into some positions but i agree T10 only ranked but without prem or collector tanks
in tourneys its different or when you have a team of players you know are good players then 4 heavys can result in a very aggressive game but well that rarely happens to me but after all i feel like you guys repeated yourself for now 2 or 3 days
hollow night
@agile sphinx I've played long enough to remember when meds were the dominant class. The game literally just devolves into people driving their mediums to the important hull-down first, and whoever has the higher mechanical skill wins. It's incredibly boring. Heavies and TDs play an important role in slowing down the game to open more strategic possibilities. Otherwise it's just a crappy version of call of duty
hot zephyr
tbh @hollow night i agree, my pre nerf 140 stats are garbage because it was just dependent on spamming heat against the enemy 140 and praying you hit the tiny cheeks and then retreating back. I have become way more skilled since the great medium nerf thx to the ability to actually make better calls, by decreasing the numbers of meds in the meta WG basically made each med much more valuable
by placing too many meds on each team(lets say mm is 4 meds, 2 lights and some random tier X heavium each. If you try to make a flank mid game two enemy meds can always gang up and kill you once you reach the flank and you can't really around the map
brave night
short snow
haha. yes
next gull
I have had the opportunity ( 🙄 ) to play rating games from 2500 to 4000 average.
Despite the premium spam, particularly at tier 8, I have the feeling that the lower the rating of the team the heavier the composition of the team. I can nearly guess the rating of the team by looking at the ratio of heavies to meds.
paper jacinth
Lol @next gull
Agree @hollow night
bleak crest
A heavium is the best option in ratings as you need to bounce something especially when outnumbered towards the end of the battle.
warm charm
^if ur outnumbered in any battle ur screwed regardless of how much armor u have, unless they’re all one shots or something. In ratings, play tanks that u can carry in, whether that be big dmg tds to do massive amounts of dmg, meds for map control and versatility, or heavies to hold back the enemy and hope that ur team doesn’t die
humble lake
@warm charm i'll be pedantic and say "what if the enemy is so bad that they can't pen you"
ornate spoke
Ehehehehehe
fervent steppe
Sorry all i use this awful gamemode for is trying out new stuff or grinding bad tanks that would destroy my stats 😂 the ranking system is just awful if you camp and farm damage you will get more ranking points even if you lose more 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Improve rating point system and give rewards not only to the best 10 players. Noone cares for an avatar and a camo
crimson goblet
i know many who only play rating for the camo so you arent fully correct
pine falcon
I play rating for the sexy looking avatar and because when you get high in rating 4.5k+ you actually start fighting with and against good players and not just some random 40%, which play rating only for missions
fervent steppe
Well sadly that is not true. I always fight AGAINST good players but my team is still full of players that roll their head on the keyboard
Well if you want to do it for an avatar and camo which just gets you focussed in randoms if you show it off go do that 😂
normal garnet
How does that relate to rating battles @ornate spoke ?
warm charm
He wishes he could use that tank to get out of bronze league
weak lance
WG for ratings dont allow premiums / collectors tanks, only tech tree.
tawdry ingot
I wish. Sadly that isn’t going to happen
fallen mortar
the rating MM works but you have to get to a certain point and then your teammates get better
warm charm
Well at least u got someone competent on ur team
ornate spoke
What
You guys are moving i got twice to4990 but fell to 900 how is that possible
#fixthegame
#dontbuycrates
Improve the point loss not just campers that do nothing and lose less than players spoting and assisting.
crimson goblet
how much more to gain some points for losing?disgusting...
fallen mortar
yes that was just kinda unfair that u still lost 3 points
pine falcon
I knew you would post it here so I came from the stream
fallen mortar
i literally wanted to post the same picture xD
3very is streaming rn ? mind giving me a yt name or even a link ? @pine falcon
crimson goblet
@fallen mortar its 3very,just check #672786426706001939
bold hull
Ваша игра хуйня
whole anchor
Um english please @bold hull
torn rain
How does rating battles work? I never played a rating battle before.
whole anchor
They rate you...pretty much it
torn rain
How
crimson goblet
its not worth your time @torn rain, most of the people there play quite egoisticly making it worse than random
torn rain
Are there any special or unique rewards? @crimson goblet
drifting cedar
@torn rain at 4k points you get a camo and a avatar and at 5k a different camo and a different avatar (both camos and avatars cant be obtained anywhere else)
ornate spoke
Just how i am 1 win before 5k and the game offers me euthanasia
Third time
ornate spoke
Fourth 13 points to 5 k
low sandal
Stats don't lie
tired vault
Lmao you didn’t do 6k
fallen mortar
So I have 200k avg in my T10 tanks
compact vortex
@low sandal if you’re averaging 6k then you should be able to produce screen shots of after game results. Should be between 5-7k each game. Wanna show them?
lilac thistle
@low sandal jEsUs ChRiSt MaN 6k in a tier 8 wHoA thats amazing how come you’re 2500 in tier 10? wHaT hApPeNeD bRo
low sandal
R/whoosh
compact vortex
@lilac thistle tanks clearly broken dude. Imaging averaging 6k in a tier 8 and only getting one ace. WG need to fix that tank.
restive dawn
It’s total dmg in ratings in that tank divided by the amount of games in the current season if i remember correctly
hot zephyr
lol
native marten
total damage/amount of games is literally damage per battle, and there’s no way you can just consistently get 6k damage per battle so it’s just bugged
warm charm
Bruh it’s not bugged I swear
agile sphinx
@ornate spoke With an average XP of 212 I don't think you can even begin to start complaining here
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx Sorry for not being epic against 5 tier 8 heavies in my Panther. And 2 T-34-3 matches had me ammo racked by a Waffle after moving 10 meters from spawn. And the fact that I was still the only one to do any damage when playing as the Panther gives me the right to complain as much as I want.
agile sphinx
If you can't play well then don't expect to win, especially not in a tank like the panther. If you are getting shot 10m from spawn especially by a waffle then that is definitely your fault. Just because everyone else at your rating is as bad as you it doesn't mean you have any right to complain, it might just be you reaching the rating you are supposed to be at.
ornate spoke
‘If you can’t beat a Lowe, an IS-5 and an ISU-152 in a Panther because your tier 8 heavies died with 300 dmg each it’s because you are trash at the game’ I didn’t expect a better response from someone who vehemently defends the US lights.
agile sphinx
If you can't farm damage off your teammates then you don't belong over 3k rating and the system is showing that. If you are losing games and points that quickly then it is definitely your fault so take responsibility and learn to play better instead of blaming it on other people
ornate spoke
I got over 3k because I played my calibration in the Jagdpanther and carried (or almost carried) my trash tier 8 teammates to victory every time. The fact that I had to play an extremely good (borderline OP) tank and do all the work to even have a chance of winning once again gives me all the right to say that people in rating are even worse than casual (especially prem tanks and the dreaded p44 pantera players)
agile sphinx
So the only reason you got over 3k was because you had to play an op tank? That will be the reason you are now losing and falling down as you are out of your depth. People in ratings aren't worse than normal they are the same, and if you lost 9 games in a row in normal battles with that little xp and starting blaming teams I would tell you exactly the same thing. If you can't play well then don't expect to win and don't blame that on other people.
ornate spoke
Look who is talking about OP tanks now. The US light defender. This is more pointless than arguing about the ATGM debacle. The only person out of their depth is people like you when they play anything other than the T92 or the Sheridan. I did well in the Tiger and even the St Emil in ratings. I just posted that to show that unless I carry (i.e. play a tank that can carry), we lose. And somehow that proves that I'm the bad player. 140 IQ interpretation there.
agile sphinx
Are you capable about talking about anything other than your wrong interpretation about my points on the ATGMs? You do know that I don't just play the ATGM tanks and I still do well, right?
You don't have to carry to win, you just have to be useful which clearly you aren't and you are complaining about other people while still pretending you are good.
ornate spoke
Wrong channel m8
agile sphinx
Says the one using it to complain about teams 🤔
ornate spoke
Mine is more relevant than the people who complain about the amount of rating they lost in a game
agile sphinx
No it isn't at all, the amount of rating is based off the points system which isn't about the matchmaking and teams which the pinned messages specifically say not to talk about
ornate spoke
That was literally the only argument you needed to make. Reference to the rules of the channel. And whoosh, I delete my post because I actually follow the rules of the server.
agile sphinx
It doesn't take much to read the pinned messages before posting something at all
warm charm
So ur saying it’s not ur fault ur in a t7 against t8s, and complaining that u can’t carry, just play t8, I’ve gotten platinum easily by using tanks like isu, is5, lekpz, balanced tanks that a lot of ppl have
agile sphinx
The avatar is too op pls nerf
lilac thistle
Jesus christ what is this hot mess of a channel today
I’m not getting those 5 minutes I spent reading back am I
grand zinc
Hello WG staff! I have an proposal for making ratings little bit better! Todays ratings are little bit like basic random battles, wich is sad to say. But we have these 1-5 stars wich indicates our activenes and that we have been a polite player and maybe a good player., but sadly these stars doesnt mean anything or people dont care about them or some do care about it "honor" thing. But anyway, would be awsome if you would need 5 stars to get in to ratings, so that there is some screening of how well you have preformed. Now you dont need any skills or anything to join in ratings. So 5 stars and you can get to play ratings, under 5 stars you need to go to randoms and do better. How does this sound? And i hope my english is not a total mess 😛 Have a nice weekend everyone 🙂
fallen mortar
and they have to use full provisions and camo
grand zinc
Yeah full provisions and camo
warm charm
And have wr greater than 54.94 😉
sonic sedge
Sort your ‘matching’ out in ratings war gaming,these are supposed to be ‘evenly matched opponents’ which in this case isn’t true! Nicely rigged! 🙄 You are just putting more players off playing this mode,nice work 👌
agile sphinx
It's the same good player it always is (funnily enough) but no naming and shaming @woeful token
@sonic sedge You had an advantage of 50 points, looks like you just got outplayed completely by someone rated worse than you 🤷♀️ If it gets people like you out of ratings so we can cut the amount of complaints about teams in this channel by about 90% then it's a perfect system
sonic sedge
blaming the so called ‘matching’...noob
Our team had no td’s so we should of had more heavies...Go figure,I came top of our ‘team’ by the way! 🙄
misty raptor
@sonic sedge Fail of an argument
Your team sucked. Move on.
It happens. Even in ratings.
sonic sedge
You do know how the ‘matching’ is supposed to work in ratings don’t you!?
misty raptor
Unless your playing 4000+ ratings your teams are still bad.
misty raptor
It’s 😏
sonic sedge
correcting your mistake
misty raptor
And I yours.
You’re mistaking ratings on players at that low level to mean something
sonic sedge
You don’t start sentences with ‘And’!
misty raptor
Congrats professor
fallen mortar
i could show him how evenly matched my teams in ranked are but that would be close to 5k andthere your team usually is decent and if you get atearolled u usually played with good players but still get rekt
sonic sedge
I have 176 Kolobonov medals,most earn’t before supremacy..It’s not me! #not myrating
torn rain
😂 dumb
sonic sedge
ahh look the children have gone to sleep 🤣
@torn rain report this ‘player’ please for abuse! Thanks. He wouldn’t call me ‘dumb’ to my face so why online!? It’s just abuse! 🙄
torn rain
Is this what a online mental breakdown looks like? 👌 😂 👌
sonic sedge
ok,so it’s ok to call someone else ‘dumb’ (which is insulting) & that’s ok!? Nice one!Get your priorities right!
fallen mortar
if you want you can show me how good you are in a 1 v 1 we are both on EU so lets see if you can outperform a single player
i know 1 v 1 dont tell you a lot about the player but since it seems like you are used to 7 v 1 it shouldnt be a problem for the god of war Stevo which is cursed by the evil RNG mechanics of WG
alpine fulcrum
@sonic sedge PuT a SpAcE aFtEr A cOmMa
native marten
ngl Stevo if you play so many ratings games but you’re still at 3.2k maybe it’s just a you problem and maybe you’re hard stuck low 3k because you (no offense) just don’t have the skill level to play like a 4k or 5k player or even just mid-3k player
tl;dr you’re 3.2k rating because you play at a 3.2k rating level
torn rain
^^^^ Stevo, use some common sense.
wind moonBOT
stevo1100r#2917 was muted
torn rain
sigh some people don't understand anything.
Also, how are some possible ways to increase your rating score per battle?
native marten
Besides playing better, uhh idk
like yo I’m being totally honest that’s literally the only way, or you could just sit in the back and farm or something but really I don’t see people get that much extra from it, maybe at most like a 5-10 point difference on a win
if you’re trying to get like a whole 2k points upwards then yeah getting 5-10 point extra on every win is gonna be pretty good ofc but if you’re just sorta casual and maybe at most just like 500 points (for me usually mid 3.5k-4k calibration, when I reach 4k I’m done) so 500 points isn’t that big of a deal to me
torn rain
Ah alright. Thanks. I never played rating before so I'm still trying to get used to thr basics.
misty raptor
Best way to farm points in rating is play as a low tier tank (and do well). Tier 7 and 9 are generally best for that.
It’s pretty easy to calibrate at over 4k running tier 7 or 9 tanks
Then run 10’s to grind higher if you want.
native marten
^Yes for sure, I can usually get mid 3k with Leopard 1 but if I just go Leopard PTA I can usually easily get 4k
tired vault
When does this season end?
torn rain
Thanks for the help guys, I'll start playing T7 and work my way up.
agile sphinx
Yep definitely play tier 7 earlier rather than later, I made the mistake of getting to 5k with my 121b then suddenly realising I wanted the camo on my emil so I had to endure the waiting times and the teams where the average points was 3-3.5k including me. There are lots more players at higher ratings at tier 10 so you are much more likely to get better teams and shorter queues.
fallen mortar
Calibrated with JPanther and got to 4,4k
elder steppe
fervent steppe
Ratings mm is so broken... i get bot teams all the time and reds full of unicums
wind moonBOT
Beemo#2164 has been warned.
grand zinc
Good excample of a player who shouldnt play ratings yet, 2 stars and obviously he doesnt eveb try to play ratings seriously. These kind of players should be picked out from the mass. He went afk pretty much from the start. I really hope that wg will do some improvementa for ratings. Like 5 stars required, fully equiped tank and camo. Someone will argue that why fully equiped tank is needed, well if you spend the credits then the player might take playing seriously. I doubt that these changes for ratings will make ratings worse. I hope wg will make fast improvements 👌🤘
woeful token
how he is even matched with a 3k when hes bronze
warm charm
Not enough players, usually bronze gets matched with silver and low gold, because simply not enough ppl are that bad
grand zinc
And sadly those kind of players mess up the whole rating matchmaking,. He shouldnt be able to play ratings until he has 5 stars, thats my opinnion . Now stars are prettyu useless and reporting or giving thumbs down is useless
And i have noticed that if someones calibration goes badly then they play ratings to mess others games
native marten
^They do. There’s literal people who have accounts dedicated to trolling, and for some reason they’re allowed to screw up not only your regular games but also apparently a “competitive” game mode
grand zinc
Looks like reroll gone bad kind of situation 😄
But again, 3 stars...... Should be 5 stars the requirement for ratings and all provisions , equipments and all so if someone is trolling then he/she loses credits and those who spends credits takes ratings seriously
barren grotto
It‘s a bot with a tank bought by WG 🙂
They cannot fill rating matches with human players nomore.
no more*
fallen mortar
WG has bots but they dont have a battle count
bleak crest
I wonder how points are distributed...
warm charm
By xp...just cuz u did the most dmg doesn’t mean u get the most rating gain, bet the 58 spotted all of the reds for u
tired vault
Spots/spotting damage + kills helps the most
bleak crest
What about the wt? He’s top tier, gets one more kill and 8 times my points...
native marten
One other thing is that you’re high 3k and he’s low 3k, so even if you both played at the same skill level I think he gets more points
pine falcon
@tired vault its a draw.
sick dune
Haven't had a single win. Haven't been top tier. Lost 400 points. WG explain.
Now my comment is gonna be deleted because WG DoEsN't LiKe ThEsE cOmMeNtS
bleak crest
He gets 5 times as many points, that’s puzzling. Even if we subtract he gets 32 more points than me which I don’t find fair.
next gull
It is not puzzling, this is how it is calculated. It must scale with xp somehow, and rating compared to the average of the team I guess. Unfair or frustrating, maybe.
hazy tiger
These ratings teams are horrible today. I’ve had 4 players push me into the open and kill me. I’ve also gone into the silver league. I’m just done with it
agile sphinx
@bleak crest It would mainly be because of his lower rating that he got more points, I'm guessing he also would have got more do than you. It's also possible but very unlikely that it was the last battle of his calibration
@hazy tiger You are in the silver league of course you aren't going to get good teams 🤦♀️ On the upside you also get worse reds so it's easier to carry but if you can't gain points around 3k rating then maybe it's a good thing you are done with ratings 🤷♀️
hazy tiger
Yeah I’m done trying to win 4v1s lol
short snow
give up this game 🙂
23%. how mm work. or .... i just don’t care. just stop play. don’t waste time to get bad day
bleak cliff
I mean at that point if it's that low it's not mms fault...
native marten
lmao the worst I’ve done semi-recently was 2.5k WN8 (okay look I get it I’m not a unicum lol) with a 10% WR over 10 battles
short snow
@bleak cliff i nob i know
they all rush and die in less than 2 minute. must be 30 battle out of 43
before tank is balanced. just use the tank you r good then ok. but now. we must play t22, or missle tank... it far more better than other tank. so. WG now is only focus on the new tank. all old one should delete :-).
t62 you can bounce 1 per 10 hit. but t22 bounce even you aim. and the rate is 6 bounce per 10. lmao 4 tank aim at t22 and all bounce !!!!
so if you want to play 62. then you got bad day !!! what a game like this
fallen mortar
whats wrong with someone doing 3 dmg xD
hollow crater
Calibration in ratings is not reliant on.
Even if you are assigned to Silver, if you keep fighting with your head without giving up, this may happen.
short snow
turn hack on. and close your eyes. then it will happen
worldly anvil
640 battles in one month in ratings seems to be a bit excessive
fallen mortar
i have a few above 100 😅
hollow crater
@fallen mortar it's good.
if ver 6.7 was shorter, my tries less than this.
fallen mortar
i reached diamond in 109
hollow crater
Calibration battles really depend on luck.
No matter how high the damage, even if you lose 7 out of 10 battles, you will start 2900.
And the game around the rate 3500-4200 is really painful ... Medium tanks and light tanks can only charge, heavy tanks die without playing a single bullet.
I can't help alone.
On the other hand, I haven't played 100 since 4700.
fallen mortar
i did my cali in Jpanther and avged 2,3k to get to 4,4k
frank sage
@hollow crater is correct. I'm always a high platinum player and this season I was pissed when I calibrated in at silver. So I proved everyone wrong. And not that many battles.
Came in lower, less battles and come out higher. So to all u who say it's not possible or u cant do it. Ur wrong. He only has high battles bc he tryin to get a camo on 3 tanks when I'm gettin a camo on 2.
frank sage
Yeah. Hold on... u need 50 battles at least in a tier to get a camo
U can read it right there lol.
worldly anvil
Oh, so it is each tier. thats nice, im gonna take advantage of that
worldly anvil
u can use both, just use one for 2 of the map types
frank sage
Another good tool I use is rly look at the que when u hit battle. U dont want to b uptiered in rating, esp if ur trying to get high up.
For example u play tier 8 and c there's 10 players in tier 8 and 4 players in tier 9 and 2 In tier 7, it would b best to back out bc u will play with those tier 9's.
tired vault
@frank sage 317 is a lot of battles for rating
frank sage
@tired vault well I tried to get diamond and was successful. I mean look at u,.ur #1 ez for u to say since u only use rockets..
tired vault
I was forced to play rockets before 6.8, but now I just play e5
Look at the battle count of all the diamond people and mine is the least, yet I am 1st
There is no skill in rating because 99% battle spam to rank up like you
frank sage
Is there a problem with that @tired vault? Y r u forced to play those tanks. Ur not forced to do anything. But I mean ur right, there's no skill.. esp if u use a broken tank that shoots rockets to look better than everyone else. Take away the rockets... what place do u think u would b in rn?
tired vault
I’d still be 1 lol
I know you like to talk big on discord but when you see me on the red team be ready for a 2min loss
@frank sage
frank sage
I've seen u and Royal on the red team... ur not all that lol. Beaten y'all many times b4.. on another note who was it yall played in the world championship, 7FEAST? Something like that? Idk. I think purpl or pramo could've done better. U seemed out of place.
Now dont get me wrong, I'm still fans and support Royal and shook, but u Mr BraggerMcBraggerton r something else. @tired vault
ornate spoke
And yet RGN slaughtered PRAMO in the ascent tournaments. You may be able to beat 1-2 RGN guys, but 7 is much more difficult.
No hate to PRAMO, they are a great clan. RGN just countered extremely well
warm charm
2 RGN can’t carry 5 idiots against a team of 7 decent players
tired vault
He says pramo could have done better but pramo never made it to the finals in twister before. We did it in our first try buddy @frank sage cry about it
ornate spoke
^^^ @tired vault you explained that way better that I ever could.
fallen mortar
he crys about OP tanks and plays Progetto
frank sage
@fallen mortar prog ain't that op dude. At least it doesnt have missles.
fallen mortar
and how the heck he got 69% Wr at T8 with only 1,7k avg i had 2,2k at T7 and didnt even reach 60% Wr
tired vault
It was broken before 6.8 and you know it
frank sage
@tired vault what exactly is broken about it?
tired vault
Was*
warm charm
Autoreloader, good mobility, good gun handling, troll armor
fallen mortar
still dont get how he got 69% Wr
crimson goblet
0 games in rockets, its still duable
frank sage
@fallen mortar at 50 battles it was at 80% for me.
warm charm
And at 50 battles in my 268 I was at 35%, even when doing 2.5k dmg, proof that ratings is mostly luck, little skill, and a lot of spamming
wind moonBOT
Nemesis#6857 has been warned.
frank sage
Well that doesnt make sense @warm charm when there's at most 50 players in the que for rating... on the NA server at least.
hard chasm
Rating is more about luck and based on how many battles you can spam throughout the course of the time it’s up for the day than anything.
You can have as much skill as you want but if the match making decides to f word you then you’re literally going to lose and lose constantly.
lilac thistle
@frank sage why didn't you play rocket tanks?
i mean, if you think the tanks are so good that they are the only reason why fadoo is #1 then why didnt you just get one yourself and dethrone him?
compact vortex
I will dethrone Fadoo with mine. Only 7 points away :v
frank sage
@lilac thistle I'm not as good as Fadoo, I never will b. But what someone else said earlier if there r 2 RGN ppl and 5 idiots, then it's kinda ez. Also I hate the idea of missles. No matter how much u nerf them or how much mm they have it will still pen someone on top. Maybe if it was a tier 9 and 10 t49 then it would b understandable, but the concept of missles... it's way more broken than any tank in the game
lilac thistle
It is completely broken. Half the reason why you play one is just so you dont get missiled to death by another
frank sage
Also I wont get those tanks just bc there is no Balance (and still no balance). As much "fun" and "skill" u think u have when playing those tanks what is it doing to the player base and those tiers exactly. Just think about it esp if their r 3 Sheridans or T9's in a match against an op t-22. That T-22 is useless and brings the moral of a player down when they spent X amount of money on such tank
@lilac thistle
compact vortex
Make sure to keep the topic on ratings here. You can move this conversation to #666263717033541662
lilac thistle
Honestly he’d probably do better without the missile than with
next gull
Struggling to get to 4k with my amx50 100... I will not get the camo, I am afraid.☹️
zenith trellis
Im at 4006 now and usually above 4K i fall back again, how is that?
worldly anvil
So now that rating battles count in the amount of battles in career, it kinda messes stuff up. For example, Spinxys' account, has played one normal battle in the Skorpion G, doing 3k and winning. All his other battles are ratings. So he has 100% WR and 3k avg dmg, but a lot of battles. I think it would be good if rating battles went back to the previous format, where it listed the Normal Battles, Ratings Battles, then Tournament Battles. Of course, it is listen in statistics, but it would be nice to have it on the main page of the profile. (just a suggestion, also not meaning to shame or anything)
fallen mortar
It's too obvious that he doesn't have 3k avg and stuff over that amount of battles so it doesn't make such a big difference but I'd also like to see how many rating battles I've made in total and for gads sake pls fix the dmg thing in the ratings tab I'm sick of seeing horrendous numbers there
restive dawn
It's total dmg in ratings in that tank divided by the games per this season
How about make it total dmg per season divided by games per season = avg dmg per season?
warm charm
And it glitches all the time, get wack numbers
crimson goblet
point distribution 10:10
crimson goblet
feels nice getting less points than someone that died with 0dmg
tired vault
Lmao
bleak crest
Probably the algorithm doesn't do well on the extremes of the interval as points seem to converge asymptotically
warm charm
Nah, u just can’t see xp in ratings, even though that is what determine rating changes, and also the more u deviate from 3k, the more/less u gain/lose
short snow
when i go cap ( because when look at two team i think will lose). then actually going to lose. my team all dead. enemy still got 6. but cap point 100 win. the results my team all got more points than me. i cap. no damage. very little point. but i think my contribution is the main right. so .... 🙂
balmy tiger
Capping itself is worth very little. Your team might have had a chance of outright winning if you had actually participated in the match.
native marten
I’d honestly argue that over a long time capping would be worth it if your team isn’t actively engaging the enemy team since you don’t really lose anything if you’re not going to be engaging either way, and if you start to get enough points, sometimes you can get the enemies to have to force a bad/uncoordinated engage or to have a person essentially be taken out of battle to get the base
If your team is fighting, you really shouldn’t be capping a base at that same time unless you can make little impact (e.g. you’re playing a heavy, and then a skirmish happens on the medium flank and there’s no way you can get there in time)
warm charm
U only cap if u think ur team is complete garbage and know that ur gonna be in a 1v7 soon, otherwise, u shouldn’t cap, because ur essentially taking a tank out of the battle
Or u can cap to force the reds to come to you and set up an ambush
woeful token
@zenith trellis you need 50 battles on each of those tanks at least in rating
normal garnet
@woeful token false, you need 50 battles in a specific tier, and u get the camo for ur most played tank in that tier
sonic sedge
😂 Fadoo, they really need to change the scoring system in ratings to reflect the individual player & not the ‘team’, why should a players rating go up on the winning team who only fired one shot & scored zero?!
Likewise on the losing ‘team’ why should a players rating plummet when they fought hard & were in the top 3 out of both ‘teams’ of players!?
The whole scoring system is just wrong in my opinion & doesn’t reward good tactical play but rewards bad players alike!
Rant over....Again 🤣
fallen mortar
Well that's because the avg rating of the battle won't reach close to the ranking he's at that's why he doesn't get good point despite the fact he did insanely good and the next thing is its diamond league so points are always kinda low
potent cypress
@zenith trellis what is app name?
next gull
How do you think you can cap to reach 100 ? Maybe because your trash team held 6v7 long enough ? Maybe ?
zenith trellis
@potent cypress press this button in your in game profile page. It is not an app.
potent cypress
@zenith trellis thx a lot.
warm charm
Yay
tired vault
That game looks familiar
fallen mortar
Just looking at the ranking numbers told me that his team must've been full of special people
hearty ore
Help me
mystic dagger
when will the current rating season finish?
balmy tiger
@hearty ore work on lower tiers. The higher tier the better the players. If you feel like you are underperforming try playing a premium at t5 or 6 for a while if you got one. Or check out some you tubers. I’d recommend quickybaby and a lot of people tell me sk8 is pretty good too.
crimson goblet
@mystic dagger today is the last day
ornate spoke
fix that DAMMED matchmaking!!! The only thing the matchmaker has to do is maintain a stable skilllevel - Instead I get thrown into a match with useless wood-league noobs. For what purpose? They wont learn anything bc they usually go full ignorant "I do what I wanna do"-way and die with 2 shots fired avg. and blame me afterwards that I didnt help them enough - And I dont learn anything too as the only message I get from this mockery is that if you wanna grind up the leagues you gonna have to do 1vs7 regular 🤬
ember osprey
At least +9 ratingpoints
ornate spoke
still - that happens way too often - max point difference is said to be "only" 1000 - so a whole league, not TWO. Things like that makes it extremely difficult to progress
btw did Rating just got killed? Did Corona just Kill-Switch entire humanity?
warm charm
Rating always ded wdym
crimson goblet
highest rating i ever had
warm charm
Rip that 50% wr, but that’s rating mm for you
restive dawn
@ornate spoke pinned messages
quartz aspen
Got my camo and avatar already
brazen wren
My highest rating i ever had aswell
@crimson goblet i can't open where i see 1st,2nd,3nd etc place? Where i can see it my place? Do you know?
crimson goblet
just check wgs page
ornate spoke
Playing whole day
warm charm
I’ve played for like 3 hrs+ and barely break even due to shit teams
woeful token
@warm charm careful
language
hollow night
@ornate spoke The solution to matchmaking is to just play tournaments, then you get to pick your teammates 😆
pine falcon
I really hope we get a new cammo for rating next season.
agile sphinx
I hope we get a new camo for 4k and 5k rating so WG don't make the old 5k camo easily obtainable to anyone and it loses its value which is what I think most people play for. Either that or leave it how it is otherwise all you get for grinding to 5k (which should be an achievement) is 2 months early access to a camo
warm charm
Yea, really don’t like how they rotate camos, no reason to grind to diamond when u can get the same plat one a couple months later
hearty ore
@balmy tiger thanks
ornate spoke
well the old platinum camo is now more rare than the old diamond camo
iron zodiac
@ornate spoke and tbh the old platinum camo looks better than the current diamond one
rough gorge
Good to see this season, my calibration has been ruined by people killing themselves and dying with in 30 seconds... At least 1 every game
ripe field
What is the story with the camo? I ran around 300 ratings battles last season in three different tiers. I never got the platinum camo. I thought it was 50 battles to get a camo in your fav ratings tanks.
pine falcon
you should have gotten the cammos 4 days ago with the avatar of the league you were when rating finished
agile sphinx
Provided you were over 4k rating at the end of the season*
undone pulsar
Wow. Another copy pasted rating season with zero new content and no real incentive to play other than a camo that has been out for months
pine falcon
@undone pulsar hey. At least now the team has mobility and the gameplay is somewhat OK. Next update everything will be changed in a thanos snap.
warm charm
Yea we’ll have 14 maus and it’s gonna be whoever can spam more gold and can actually aim
undone pulsar
@pine falcon what is different from pubs?
A rating system that benefits above average players that spam battles?
A repeated camo and avatar?
tired vault
Rating is just to yoink top 3 gold
cold kraken
I play rating with same 4 tanks, in each 50 battles to get the 1M credits from repeated camos xd
surreal frost
Hi
steady magnet
Ah, so this is basically credit farming?
sonic sedge
Yep,absolutely nothing to do with your actual skill just luck with whatever team you’re put with! If they’re rubbish & you do well ‘your’ rating still goes down 🤦♂️
late mural
Yes, stevo. Your gold league rating flatters your skill. Average players should be get a silver, not gold rating.
ocean night
Anything changed 3 win in the last 10 but i remain at 4350
warm charm
Can confirm calibration is 99% based on wr, did around 2.3k every battle, but only 40% wr and cali in silver
fallen mortar
dmg isnt everything and i had 2k+ avg at T7 and got to 4,4k last season just from the start
trail shoal
I think WG Should give people The dedicated league according to calibration rounds
warm charm
I think that calibration should be based on the past league, but with a cap so diamond players don’t get insanely high
native marten
lol I calibrate into 3.4k but I had to DC in 2 games
pine falcon
Guys... check the leaderboard for eu. There is a guy on 5.5K. That rating is achieved in 2 days (and he has only played 150 battles) when no one else has even reached 5k. Is there a good explanation like a bug where his rating didn't reset or something? Because there is no way you can reach that in 2 days: super long queue times because of his super high rating; 150 battles and only 2 days...
late mural
obviously not so long queue times
pine falcon
@late mural I am 4700 rating atm. My queue times are about 4-5 mins. His need to be like 20-30
late mural
that's not the way it works. I'm at 4500 and my wait is less than a minute.
pine falcon
because there are more players to balance out your rating (and maybe because you are playing during peak hours). The closest player to this dude is a little over 500 points away meaning the game struggles a lot to balance out his rating. Also he has 150 battles and rating has been running for two days. That means 75 battles per day meaning he should have played during non-peak hours meaning the game would have struggled even more to balance out his rating or even find players for a game.
late mural
well is he a hacker then?
pine falcon
I just think his rating didn't reset
late mural
no it did
I played my calibration early yesterday, and saw him below 4400 with about 20 battles.
bleak crest
I won 8 out of 10 in calibration and got 3600 something points. Definitely not based on win rate.
late mural
I also won 8 (luckiest start ever), and got to 4300. Top damage has something to do with it. I'm sure it is possible to get to at least 4500 by winning 9 or 10.
pine falcon
@mystic flume according to the leaderboard the dude at 5.5K is still first. I am only making speculations that his rating didn't reset
mystic flume
mhhh
fallen mortar
i found it wierd too that he got to 5,5k at the first 2 days
mystic flume
yea i agree
fallen mortar
imo there is no way he could get to 5,5k in the 2 days his waiting times should be insane and from yesterday to today he didnt play a single game
mystic flume
so in this case im the top1? 5.5k is IMPOSSIBLE to get until now
pine falcon
so who of us 3 shall write the ticket?
mystic flume
im too lazy xd
pine falcon
K, I will do it
mystic flume
atleast im honest
hollow sierra
Maybe he’s win trading
fallen mortar
That's not a thing in EU
late mural
LOL you guys are paranoid. I already told you he was at 4400 after 20 battles.
You're just jealous of him climbing so fast. Quite SAD actually.
pine falcon
@late mural bruh, he has 57% wr and it took him 150 battles for 5.5K. 3very is 70%wr and reached 5500 points with 456 battles (I can provide a screenshot).... Just shut up with your nonsense.
modest radish
2 days is not enough time for 150 battles. When you are at the top it takes 5-10 minutes or sometimes longer to get into a battle.
pine falcon
@modest radish the player we are discussing was 500+ points above the second player. His queue times had to be wayyy more than 10 minutes.
modest radish
I was 250 above 2nd place at the beginning of a season a few months ago and I averaged 17 minutes waiting during prime hours
He would need some of the top 10 in the same match just to balance him out.
late mural
First, you don't know s**t about his queue times. Why not just ask him instead of whining here?
Second, his stats don't differ much from mine. I'm pretty sure I too could climb into diamond on the first day if I had nothing else to do than spam battles. Actually one clanmate did exactly this once. He got into diamond on the first day driving the very OP Smasher. And he was also #1.
You are crying about this guy mainly because you can't compete with him. SO SAD !
modest radish
Stats don’t really mean much someone with a 50% win rate that has learn can still climb the rating lead boards.
late mural
Indeed. I have even seen sub-50% players in diamond league. Obviously they have adapted their playstyle to suit gathering rating points.
pine falcon
@late mural for your concern, I sent him a PM yesterday. Still hasn't replied
wind moonBOT
Warning logged for RynnivaTykki#7484. They were not warned.
late mural
Fine.
He has 154 battles in 2 days. Ratings is open 15 hrs per day here on EU server. That's only a bit over 5 battles per hour he has to do. He can spend over half of that time waiting in queue and still has plenty of time for those battles.
I think we can safely assume he has been spending pretty much all of his time playing Blitz.
muted shuttle
Spamming battles is usually a good way of getting those points up in my opinion
late mural
He also has 60% WR in ratings, and has gained almost 9 points per battle after calibration. These are extremely good numbers. If there's something you want to be suspicious of it's this.
pine falcon
@late mural I've sent a ticket to WG and have messaged the player. I just find him reaching 5.5K in 2 days very very very unlikely. I am not saying it is impossible but it just does not seem real
native marten
even if he were to have won exactly 60% of his battles, it would be like 92W-62L (and if you average 5 minutes per battle, it would be 13 hours of straight playing to get 154 battles done) and if you get lucky and say you get put in the queue every 5 minutes that would be like 26 hours of playing (including very lucky matchmaking time) and if you assume he gets 10 points for every win and loses 5 for every loss, he would have gained a total of 610 points, and if he’s at 5.5k he would have needed to calibrate at like 4.9k
pine falcon
his calibration is 4232
native marten
so that would mean out of the 30 open hours, he was playing for near 26-27 of those hours, and even if matchmaking took 6 minutes then it would have been an extra 104 minutes (near 2 extra hours/+1 average minute for MM)
yeah honestly if he started at 4.2k that’s just either the rating not resetting or he’s just god and messing with time
like okay sure even if he averaged 9 points per battle (both for wins and losses) it still seems suspicious
fallen mortar
getting points at 5k plus is hell at T10 ive seen 3very getting -3 points i think doing 5,6k dmg
mystic flume
guys i met the 5.5k rating guy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625303495750320188/685926628588781624/IMG_20200307_200715.jpg
mental lava
native marten
First of all, that’s not a rating battle. Second of all, you’re going against bots. I saw some of those accounts while playing on my reroll account (e.g newwer_winner and Nipper_winner)
normal garnet
Yeah... plus @mental lava it’s tier 3, not like it’s rare to carry in lower tiers. Plus idk why you would post a regular tier 3 battle in the section labeled RATINGS BATTLES
pine falcon
Got the response from WG. The dude really has achieved 5.5k in 2 days.... I am amazed
plush sable
👀
sudden salmon
Poeple say rating should give you better teams when you go up, but why does all my teams still rush or die or do nothing after 2 days of grind?
agile sphinx
Maybe because you are barely at 4k and it's right at the beginning of the season? @sudden salmon
bleak crest
Maybe it’s a shared account between brothers or friends so they could play in relays. Then the level is kept up as they don’t get tired.
sudden salmon
@agile sphinx i know, but it is so difficault to get higher, because i get 20 teams in a row where everybody just dies
I was at something like 4 500
agile sphinx
Your max rating was 4219, and if you can't keep climbing then maybe you shouldn't be a higher rating than you can get to
native marten
That’s why the ratings strategy is just to spam battles
next gull
So ? He is at 5.5k. Period. No need to moan. We will see at the end of the season where he is. Now he is top of leaderboard. Congrats to him.
mystic flume
@next gull chill man, we just discussing
pine falcon
discussing*
fallen mortar
he must´ve spotted a lot to only loose 10 points for doing only 256dmg
pine falcon
@fallen mortar no, its just that his rating is so high he barely loses or gains points
fallen mortar
maybe
next gull
@mystic flume I know sorry. This was a late reaction to the whole topic.
ornate spoke
why are ratings opening an hour later?
frank sage
Anyone wanna log on and do some ratings lol
native marten
@ornate spoke daylight savings probably
ornate spoke
oh right forgot about that, so now they open at 4 and close at 12? Will this be adjusted to how it was before or?
steady magnet
Am I the only one like this? Like, seriously, explain how can I win with teams like that...
tired vault
Bruh it’s only one game relax
steady magnet
Dude, I get these kind of teams every 3rd match
woeful token
its not every game tho is it
just deal with it™️ WG™️
tired vault
@steady magnet Rating doesn’t affect stats so don’t think too hard on it my guy
warm charm
And we all know it’s rigged so hope for luck
tired vault
Lmao..
steady magnet
I'm on it for the good amount of gold for 1st place
warm charm
Yea u either need to be superuni or play >1k battles
tired vault
Not 1k but 500 battles if you aren’t winning good
steady magnet
I am in it to win it
native marten
yeah uh dude first of all this isn’t a rating battle lmao second of all have you ever seen a tier 10 match with having 6 people do 0 damage
tacit scaffold
oops my fault wrong section
tired vault
@tacit scaffold Lol what’d u say?
dark cedar
Had a CDC cry and threaten “bans” for simply losing a game... LOL🤣😤
bleak crest
It’s all losing streaks...
fleet sinew
Totally balanced teams today. Only 0:7 losses.
frank sage
I'm hacking in my chimera :0 also calibration needs fixed. Shouldn't have came in silver! But whatever..
WG give me +1000 points for my broken calibration pls! 🧐
pine falcon
Considering you got 1300 in 8 battles in tier 10... no. Also the chimera dmg is a bug that gets all the damage you have gotten in rating in the tank, damage from all seasons, and divides it by the battles you've played this season.
frank sage
@pine falcon weird about the bug. I normally dont play the 183, but decided I wanted a camo for it. Still think its bs.
fallen mortar
Have fun playing at least 18 more battles in it and 25 or 24 in another tank or use several tanks, depends 😂
frank sage
@fallen mortar Idk what ur talkin about. 18 more battles? For what?
frank sage
@pine falcon hey so earlier u said the chimera had a bug. Is it with that tier specifically or is that all of ratings? I wanna c a more accurate number bc I think my avg so far in it is 3k. Is there any way to fix the bug?
fallen mortar
You need at least 50 battles in total per tier for a camo and 4k plus rating so 18 more in deathstar and 25 in another tank so that deathstar still has the most battles and will get the camo
pine falcon
@frank sage its with all tiers. And no, it can't be fixed. Its been like this for like 2? maybe even 3 seasons.
ornate spoke
If he can reach 4k 👀
native marten
@steady magnet uh no I said that to somebody else’s picture, who then deleted it lol, but it’s fine, with how it looks now I can see why you thought I was talking about yours lol
native marten
bruh just make this for people with 5 stars already, letting people who are just gonna troll in this gamemode even have access to this at all is just dumb
muted shuttle
@native marten These days, everybody seems to have a 5 star rating
Nothing hard to achieve to be honest
plush idol
One question....as I´m pretty new to that game. How can I avoid to get in random games where guys don´t move or do anything at all. It´s annoying....yesterday I had 3 times the same guy doing nothing. Also sticking simple tier tanks together in teams is the wrong way as I very often encounter guys in games having absolutely no skills and no plan what they do.
sonic sedge
War Gaming,this is a prime example of why the ratings points scoring system NEEDS changing! Second highest score out of both teams using a tier 8 in a tier 8-9 battle & yet my (not my rating) goes down too!
It’s time to make your points scoring system fairer so as not to punish the players that play well!
That’s it,not playing this unfair mode again ‘til next season..maybe!
pine falcon
Stevo is back, everyone
late mural
No, stevo, you are not playing well. You just got lucky in that battle, and still you are complaining.
fallen mortar
I'm playing well and I don't get punished so you probably just don't play well
glossy raptor
Thats not so good that it need to be awarded with +rating
fallen mortar
He should be happy he only lost 9
glossy raptor
Yes
pine falcon
My rating this season: Calibrated at 4000 on March 5th. Got up to 4700 on the March 6th with just 64 battles. The from the 7th to the 10th of March I was constantly in the range 4600-4800. I was caught in a win - loss satiation for 200+ battles..... and today I got 200 points super easily and reach 5k. Rating is a supper bizarre game mode.
ocean oasis
hi who platoon 60%+ My nickname urpaIO_Ha_roJIqe
sonic sedge
Of course yeah that’s it, I have 177 Kolobonov’s medals but I ‘don’t play well’! 🙄@fallen mortar If that’s what you believe, carry on 😂
fallen mortar
your WN8 is awful tbh and the amount of medals says literally nothing you got 177 kolo´s but only 87 aces and thats pretty bad considering a play a lot less and have over 200 @sonic sedge
sonic sedge
@fallen mortar Keep on trolling 🤣
fallen mortar
well im not the troll im just telling facts look up your stats on Blitzstars and look up mine
and if you want to prove it to me we could toon at some point then you can show me how good you are 🤣
glossy raptor
Kolobanovs are not the proof of skills. You could play supremacy and be afk and get kolobanovs 🤦♂️
stiff dirge
Generally speaking though, they are good indicators of how you can keep your cool in a difficult situation
bleak crest
3 wins in 10 battles and I actually won points.
urban moss
ooooooof
pine falcon
Kolobanovs are really luck based, just like raseinai medals. You need your team to die, but not too quickly as they need to deal some damage and maybe kill 3-4 enemies. Also most of the time you need to have a decent amount of your HP left. Also depends how good the enemy team is; if they don't know how to aim or can't drive than it should be an easy win against three of those. But if they are actually good players, you will have quite a hard time against them. Also if you have to often result to kolobanov situations you know you are doing something wrong. Good players keep their team alive for as long as possible heavily reducing the number of 1vs3..7 situations.
woeful token
and thats how i got a kalobannov camping in the back with a tog 2
out DPM'd 3 tanks
but dont follow my steps
steady magnet
@sonic sedge Dude, for your rating not to drop in a losing battle, you really have to show your worth. 1 game in my Cent 7/1 against T10s was a loss, yet rating increased, because I was the last to die, with 4k damage done and 3 tanks killed. You need to do THAT good to not let your rating drop even when losing
native marten
be me
calibrate low 3k
lose a game but gain like 20 points nonetheless
sonic sedge
@steady magnet I have done that well on a losing side & the rating has gone up.My point as well as quite a few other players too (besides the trolls on here) is the points scoring system needs to change,why should a players rating go up on either side who did hardly anything or were even afk but a player that played well & scored highly ,their rating goes down just because the side they were on played poorly?
It’s not as if any player can choose their ‘team’ & sometimes there is hardly any team tactics as it is even in ratings battles & anyone can enter regardless of how many battles they’ve played!
A lot of players don’t play ratings because it’s pointless & you’ll more than likely earn less credits in a ratings battle because you’ll have players in it just thinking they can earn more credits when they’re not that experienced in battles & don’t even bother looking at the enemy force before deciding which way they’re going!
pine falcon
C'mon dude. You lost 9 ... yes 9 points. With your point level (around 3000s) you get like 40 points per victory If you did semi-decent. Stop complaining.
fallen mortar
He always complains and if he's so good why doesn't he calibrate at 4k+ I don't get it even with loosing some matches I calibrated at 4k+ and I and many other rank up without any problem so the MM can't be so bad and the scoring system works okay for most people that are actually decent
drifting cedar
Colobanov medals dont really show your "skill" i bet most of those kolobanovs you have played in tier 6 or below
The best stats to define your skill level is to look at the wr, average damage and average xp
And we dont really know how you played that game. Like did you camp, spot anything and how early did you die. Rating points are measured by how much xp you earned in that game so all the things i mentioned above affect how much points you are going to lose/gain
@sonic sedge probaply should have tagged you to maybe read and learn something
woeful token
no m8
that was luck
3 shots and 3 kills
you didnt deserve that kalobannov at all
you know what i think of you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
agile sphinx
@sonic sedge getting 3 one shot kills in a clipper on full hp really isn't anything special at all, you know that right? I suggest stop trying to show how "good" you are and how it's everything else that is bad and start improving your own gameplay
sonic sedge
@sonic sedge getting 3 one shot kills in a clipper on full hp really isn't anything special at all, you know that right? I suggest stop trying to show how "good" you are and how it's everything else that is bad and start improving your own gameplay
@agile sphinx I was replying to a troll who mistakenly thought I earn’t all my Kolobonov’s at tier 6 & below...I suggest you look up the meaning of the word ‘troll’ too!
agile sphinx
He said most not all, being able to read is generally pretty useful especially if you are going to keep arguing with no points behind it.
Also as far as I can remember you never replied to my question ages ago about what rating you think you should be able to get to, so why don't you try that now?
native marten
lol ratings is wack though, I got 300 points in one day and basically lost 200 points the next day and after that it was just like no progress at all because of constant wins and losses
agile sphinx
Sounds like you got as high up as your skill let you 🤷♀️
native marten
I mean, I kinda have doubts that 3.3k is as high as my skill lets me go if I’ve hit 4k before
drifting cedar
@sonic sedge the weird thing is all the tanks you have kolobanovs (or at least most of them) you have either 0 aces or way less than you got kolobanovs in them. So to me that indicates that you either camp or play very very very passive and judging by the stats as well. I still dont know how kolobanovs medals make you a "great player". I have 20 kolobanovs in 14k battles but 4x more aces and you have more kolobanovs than aces wich is... Interesting. And how am i a troll whilst telling you the truth and how raiting points are distributed. I guess that makes me a troll. Hi everyone i am a troll here i go apparently trolling again. Trolling trolling trolling. Yes. Very much. Absolutely. What a troll i am
pine falcon
@agile sphinx I few days ago I posted my experience in rating. the first 2 days I pushed to 4700. then for 4 days I played 200 battles and was sitting between 4600-4800. Then in 1 morning I managed to push 250 and got to 5k. Sometimes the teams are just crap, and other times they are excellent. Player skill rarely has something to do with gaining points.
warm charm
^which is y ratings is broken and 99% luck, any noob can reach high gold with good teams, and any unicum can drop to silver, which completely breaks the rating system
fallen mortar
Well I wouldn't say a unicum would drop to silver since you get insanely good points for winning so that you prob won't drop that low
tired vault
Let’s see who spams the hardest this time
woeful token
have a kalobannov every 400 games
ace amount is 5x that
top gun is 15 times that high cal is 20 times that
does that mean anything?
no it does not
stiff dirge
Just means you take 80 games to get aces, you get a top gun every 27 games, and deal the most damage every 20 games. Depends on what you mean by that
woeful token
it means nothing of value
stiff dirge
I agree with that. It givers something of an understanding as to how welll you do in certain scenarios, but that is all
tired vault
Lol
wind moonBOT
bos21(MBTS) NA#9654 has been warned.
wind cave
So it’s okay for 10+ FILTH members to do count ins for rating battles (because the mode is always dead) and then yolo at each other. And when I asked why they yolo, they said for a meme. It’s rating and it is supposed to be a competitive mode and they were abusing it.
agile sphinx
Take the replay and screenshots of anything they said and send it to WG and they will get a ban, possibly permanently but here isn't the place to complain about it @wind cave
fallen mortar
As long as they kill themselves it's okay isn't it?
zenith trellis
Rating battles are toxic at the moment
cold kraken
Why play rating tho
tacit moth
@drifting cedar 30day stats are more accurate because some players like myself have started the game as a bad player and increase skill as u play the game longer
drifting cedar
Well true
sonic sedge
I’m pretty sure there are war gaming bots on here supporting ‘the cause’ not to make ratings battles fair whereby it reflects the individuals rating & not just the bad team you’re put with!
The ratings system isn’t indicative of a players skill by no means,just by the noob team you’re placed with, which you as a player have no control over!
So the ratings system is warped & means absolutely NOTHING to do with you as a player! If they wanted to make it fairer they could have done by now,but I’m pretty sure the ‘teams’ are open to manipulation just as they are in normal battles to deliberately stop you winning too much!!
Remember,win a few battles then you get to lose so many in a row also...Strange that!!
bleak cliff
Lol what?
woeful token
guys mad at supposed "rigging"
isnt rigging if everyone gets it
thats called fair
restive dawn
Could it be a you problem? Just tryna find alternatives How would i know i pay 10,99€ per month for my mm
native marten
dude Christ man either just deal with occasional bad teams or don’t play ratings
fallen mortar
all those top clans must be WG bots since they have really high WRs and the rating leaderboards are always filled with the same players strange dont you think 🤣 and everyone who gets calibrated above 4k has rigged MM for sure
zenith trellis
What i dont understand: i had mission to win 3 rating, but i didnt feel it.i just spawned battles, because in theory with at least 50% you must have it in 6 battles. 20 (!) later i dropped from 3960 to 3380. Wtf, how is it even possible?
fallen mortar
You probably didn't do enough or bad luck as you already said you went in there without a real intention to win
tacit wedge
Actually whilst Ratings battles may appear unfair they actually arent, they just require more focus and determination from the player - unlike Random you cant rely upon getting carried by others and you need to actively take part. The more ratings you play, the higher you get the better the gameplay - yes it takes time, but thats the point - it is skill based and requires that the player puts in both effort and skill to get up there. Those at the top are by definition the best - thats how it works and is also why they are in the top clans - after all top clans only recruit the best players! Makes sense when you think about it lol
green hollow
What MM for rating is this? 4k with 2k points?
feral basalt
@green hollow nearly 3k with 4k
ornate spoke
:))
blissful breach
quartz aspen
I am fine with the match making, I JUST WANT TO GET IN A DAM BATTLE
cedar river
I think there are certain limits, like a 4.5k+ player wont get matched with 2k and below unless theres no 14th player available?
Not a lot of players play ratings either, takes away from mm time too...
It is annoying though.
wind moonBOT
Destroy2208#0880 has been warned.
vivid shore
wow
torpid walrus
thats just unlucky
tired vault
Give me your mm I want afks
real quiver
Difficulty winning, as the game is playing unfair matches. 3 tier 7 against 2 of my team.
ornate spoke
this guy is crazy how....
bleak cliff
Omg so crazy he won 16 battles
ornate spoke
WTF ｗｇｗｈｙ？？？？
native marten
maybe I'm tripping but pretty sure tier 3 don't got ratings battles
normal garnet
@real quiver look closely buddy, 2 tier 7s on each team. And btw this isn’t ratings battle related. @ornate spoke this is not EVEN CLOSELY related to ratings battles. Are u just posting random low tier picks in random channels? And yeah that guy with 100% wr. It’s called making another account to farm stats because ur current account has ugly stats
ornate spoke
何言ってんのか全く分からんです
cosmic cypress
This is some big brain moments
woeful token
@ornate spoke please speak only english
sonic sedge
@woeful token I’m sure you mean type in english & not ‘speak only english’,as it would be pretty hard to hear someone actually speak on here! 🤣
tired vault
Did they change when rating begins and ends?
bright bear
@tired vault It closes at 9pst, It used to be at 8 before the time change on NA lol
slender eagle
..
glossy raptor
@sonic sedge when you tell someone speak english it includes writing in english
sonic sedge
@glossy raptor I’m English I can assure you it doesn’t! It is incorrect grammar,two different meanings! Unless you just like being argumentative?
glossy raptor
@sonic sedge If you tell someone in a chat to speak english its obvious that they mean to write in english
quartz aspen
What if I don’t speak English? I only speak American.
fallen mortar
Well that's even worse
gritty wren
@sonic sedge do you really have to be that literal? im mean all of us being gamers know what it means lol
fickle mist
Why did my rating battle drop souchore than the person below me? Both same tier, I did more damage and he has a higher score already. This doesn't make any sense to me.
native marten
maybe cause he did more spotting or assistance damage or something
also stevo yo my dude I can assure you that the grammar works out (grammar is syntax, basically the structure of a sentence), context is a different thing (which you're being too literal about). although the sentence is still grammatically incorrect (something like "speak English please" or "please speak english") which really doesn't matter because literally everyone understood anyways
pine falcon
@fickle mist the more points you have the less points you lose on a defeat and the less points you gain in a victory (its what prevents people from reaching 7-8k rating). He is 500 points above you so he lost less then you.
fickle mist
That seems counter-intuitive. It seems more logical that lower players should lose less because they are already lower. If lower players lose more, that will only increase the gap between low and high players.
fallen mortar
thats exactly what we want in ratings people that "suck" shouldnt rise to 4k or even 5k, but you also get insane points if you win down there in gold or silver league
hybrid shoal
What a nice matchmaking ...
fallen mortar
dude its a T7 only match what are you crying about you played awful
hybrid shoal
So you think it was a great matchmaking?
native marten
bruh even with bad mm you could have at least done like 2k damage not 200
hybrid shoal
265 ; )
sonic sedge
That’s bad matching,there are more players on one team that haven’t even been placed in a league yet but there are over 3k rated players on the enemy ‘team’,no wonder they steamrollered the losing ‘team’! Just shows how unfair the ‘matching’ was,because if it was fairly matched then there would have been losses on the random winning ‘team’ too.
native marten
yeah totally people who calibrate into 4.4k play like people with ratings under 1000 during calibration change my mind lmao
no, being uncalibrated doesn't mean you're so bad you aren't even in a league
the matching with 3.5k and 2.8k people is kinda weird but maybe the non-calibrated people did well in their previous matches or something
pine falcon
@sonic sedge if you don't want to be with them 2.5Ks come up to 5K and you will play against 4ks and other 5ks. Cmon, do it since you complain so much. Oh wait. Sorry I forgot you don't have the skills to do that, yes you still complain.
agile sphinx
@pine falcon Hey mate don't be too harsh, remember it's not his fault it's all MM and RNG and WG rigging it against him specifically and aliens fault and basically everything but him 🤷♀️
bleak crest
It’s useless playing ratings with below 3k players
pine falcon
@agile sphinx oh yeah, sorry. We should be a bit more gentle with snowflakes.
ornate spoke
That's why this community is cancerous..
fading schooner
sonic sedge
Yep,there you go war gaming, prime examples above of why the points scoring system needs changing.
slim kiln
I really need to criticize tier IV matchmaking.I am very invested in german Panzerkampf IV D lines,so i decided to complete whole german tech three.I played with Hetzer,total 20 matches.
I played 14 matches as only tier IV in sea of tier V vehicles
Next i played 5 matches with my tier tanks and then only one match with tier IV and tier III tanks.
Matcmaking for tier IV is worst matchmaking ever made ingame,it really need makeover
fallen mortar
its the ratings chat, learn to read pls
slim kiln
I know
fallen mortar
then dont talk here about T4 tanks ratings chat is for rating battles and not low tier stuff and it isnt for MM complaints either
pine falcon
Sorry... xD just sorry... I cant hold my laughter. Cancracker has a reason to say that MM isn't good because he is actually a good player and knows a thing or two on how to actually play the game. Meanwhile you, yes you, are just one of the fairly average players complaining and moaning about everything. Also being an older players means nothing if you haven't developed skills you fall into this category as you have 76.5K games and you are 52% 30 day wr. Its good for a player to know his limits and his skills. Also why did you just delete that message to which I am writing this message as a reply. Don't try to hide it. In addition to the discussion, if you haven't looked at the pinned messages and I suggest you do that. @sonic sedge
ornate spoke
😝
fallen mortar
oh thats why i got a ping but it doesnt show anything
cedar river
@pine falcon hey man no need to bash on the guy so hard. Point couldve been made clear in one or two sentences. :)
fallen mortar
You are clearly new here 🤣
That dude called us trolls and everything else but couldn't prove anything and stuff
native marten
our god lord and savior stevo who will lead us to ratings enlightenment*
fallen mortar
Yes
hazy flame
When does the new rating season start?
kind owl
probably in april
loud harness
cosmic cypress
That’s an oof on the winrate vs avg dmg
grizzled tinsel
native marten
bruh it’s probably just ratings being wack
pine falcon
its a bug. If you have played the tank in rating before, then in the current season it takes all damage from all seasons cause in the tank and only divides it by the battles played this season. Its been going like this for maybe 2-3 updates.
spice latch
Guys I'm wanting to buy the IS3 what should I do to get more money?
pine falcon
grind credits, what else
sand timber
Ye just grind some prem tanks if you got em
ornate spoke
Gotta say I'm bout done running meds or light tanks. Way too hard to use them the way they're intended without getting HP cut in half in the process. About impossible to assist anyone without getting tracks blown off and getting slaughtered by the other team before even having a chance to repair. It's a shame because the game compliments their ability but overall it doesnt add up to heavy and TD's armor and damage capability... not to mention more hit points now as well. The imbalance is so cringeworthy I'm debating if it's worth continuing. I cant stand moving at a snails pace and taking cheap shots to win. I prefer much faster paced gameplay that requires more reflex and skill over memory and cowardice. I know many gamers feel the same way. The little back and forth thing in and out of cover is old. People want to PLAY not race for the best spot to be cheap. It's quite a let down most the time to be honest. If a mode like mad games were available 24/7 I could do it but looks like its just tournaments until may. Yawn.
pine falcon
@ornate spoke have you thought that it is you that doesn't know how to play the game well and not the game being "bad" towards you. (this is based on your not even 43% wr)
nocturne mountain
is this even ratings related, or him going on a rant
pine falcon
You are right, it isn't rating related and does not belong here
fallen mortar
how is someone with 43% Wr even allowed to talk about skill
ornate spoke
Lmfao I've only ran meds and lights..I'm sure a quick check at your average tier and type of tanks you run would explain your win rates. If I were running tier 3's all day every day I'd have a win rate too you losers
This is what I mean by average tier. Care to share yours?
native marten
ngl man if you have 1.9k ratings eehhhhhh idk man
it's prob better if you just take a look at 30 day stats
ornate spoke
I've literally played under 50 rating battles. It further underlines the points I've been making about heavies and destroyers carrying higher average win rates and generally getting more wins overall compared to lights and meds that need to work their butts off already
native marten
uh dude I'm a medium tank driver and I don't like the heavies buff but I can still win ratings battles and even if the buff ruins tier 10 I just run tier 8 ratings battles and it works fine
pine falcon
@ornate spoke oh, yeah. I forgot I am a sealclubber.
ornate spoke
Oh my. All you've pointed out is that I clearly javent no lifed as hard as you. Talk sht when I'm 3 years into the game lol
native marten
bruh dude WoTB is just a casual game for me
pine falcon
and as you can see I play meds and light so it isn't the tanks, its you. before you complain, get some skill.
Also this isn't the chat to discuss this
ornate spoke
Your stats are backed by mainly VI VII AND VIII as where mine are mostly tier X... see what im saying dckweed?
pine falcon
xd look again mate. My most played battles are in tier 10
native marten
god dude even at tier 10 I can manage 55% WR and I'm by no means a unicum
ornate spoke
Yeah and you've played 3x as many in lower tiers.. so
agile sphinx
@ornate spoke His average tier in the last 30 days is 9.4, and career is 7.2, he is not a sealclubber I will tell you that now
Your career average tier is 6.7, if anything you are more of a sealclubber than he is 🤦♀️
ornate spoke
Ty lol
pine falcon
@agile sphinx thanks mate 👍
But honestly can we stop this is not the place for this.
agile sphinx
But again none of this has anything to do with ratings, so I suggest you finish it quickly or move to a different channel
@pine falcon np
fallen mortar
i have no idea how people are so ignorant that they cant see that they are crap and even argue against proof
prime ferry
Why is there so little reward for ratings. If I keep my position as 4th in NA i will get 500 gold. That is worthless and disgusting. Please make decent rewards WG
bleak cliff
Lol there is no point to playing ratings unless you want to grind without it affecting stats
fallen mortar
Well grinding in ratings actually is worse than playing normal because it's just awful since the tank you play probably is a tank that is bad and you will face all the prems at T8 or get clubbed by T10 when playing T9
agile sphinx
*laughs in clubbing the tier 10s with my tier 9s *
Ratings isn't what it should be, and WG have not shown any intention of changing it. They are willing to do things like RBC to bring more players in but they won't stay unless the actual fundamental gamemode changes, which WG haven't shown any interest in doing. Bigger prizes for more people is always an easy thing to do, but that would be rewarding skill so obviously it's not at the top of WGs list
jaunty steeple
lyric merlin
@jaunty steeple
lost thorn
lol
ornate spoke
calibrates 4.3k
ornate spoke
none taken
terse sapphire
@ornate spoke dude i calibrated at 2.7k... getting to platinum is a big thing for me
cosmic cypress
Good job dude
fallen mortar
Calibrating in 4k is my avg 😂 for the last few seasons 4,7k is my personal rekord
Miss the pré nerf charioteer 🤣
ornate spoke
@terse sapphire that’s alright man, i didn’t mean to offend or make you feel bad. Good job though :)
bleak crest
Rating battles is the same as random, no difference except for the rewards so better use those. I play premium tanks with no consumables and supplies, just to grind credits.
ornate spoke
Rating battles should be made to tier 9-10 only like it used to be. There needs to be requirements for players to be able to participate in rating battles as winning in ratings depends entirely on your team. If a player is afk or just completely rushes the enemy team and dies, that throws the whole game giving their team mates an almost certain loss. My thinking is that players on the same league only fights players on their leagues.
Another idea is that a new game mode should be made, like a free for all type of game mode. All game modes in the game almost entirely depends on your team mates to at least deal a certain amount of damage or it would cost you the game. A free for all game mode that includes a larger map would allow players to be able to win without having to depend on their team mates to be able to win. There is a problem with a free for all though, the game is not built for free for all and it will be harder to win if your tank is already low on hit points. What could be done in place of that is adding new consumables or provisions, one that “repairs” the tank slowly or a consumable that repairs the tank after certain amount of time. I mean those are just my ideas but who knows, maybe someone will read this and actually see if it’s a good idea.
scarlet fox
@ornate spoke I'd like to see ratings done like Console does. One tier, full weekend from Friday to Monday. Not one month spread across four tiers
bleak crest
No transparency on matchmaking rating changes after update. By the way, it’s not an improvement .
ornate spoke
one tier, one tier, one tier!!!
pine falcon
it should be one tier and that one tier should be 10.
bleak crest
If it’s just tier 10 Wargaming’s customer base won’t buy tier 8 tanks with under 1000 battles to play ranked. It’s bad for income so it will never happen.
cedar river
I am so done with it. Constantly reach 4900 only to get littered with bot teams. Loss after loss and all rating points gone. Same story every time i reach 4900.
zenith trellis
I have the same at 3900, before I always made it to platinum, but this time something has changed.
I also heard it from other clan members
pine falcon
for me the difficulties are 4400-4700.
fallen mortar
for me its probably the same ^ its to low to get machted with only unis but high enough to get really good enemies
zenith trellis
Maybe it’s mad games, everyone (including me) stopped playing rating to have some fun.
idle linden
does the credit boost u get from rating battles only apply to rating battles or also norm battles?
scarlet fox
Re-read your question and find out you've basically answered it yourself 👀
idle linden
so i guess only to rating battles but i was thinking it could possibly be like a reward i guess from the end of the season that u have till end of next season
also do rating battles consume a lot more time compared to norm battles?
scarlet fox
They can be a bit longer, because people tend to go for damage rather than a straight win.
ornate spoke
Rating bad - my opinion stated, goodbye
idle linden
also can i have an invite to ur discord server martin :p (if you have one)
scarlet fox
Send me a PM @idle linden
ornate spoke
@idle linden the queue times as well will be about 2-5 minutes, sometimes 15 minutes depending on your rating on NA server
cursive geyser
Can you reduce number of games to get diamond camo to 25? No 5k player would like to play 50 games on tier 7 And playing 200 battles for getting all 4 camos is too much. Some players get to 5k in 50 battles total.
pine falcon
Why should they? The cammo is one of the only things that motivates players to play rating. Reducing the amount of battles required, means less players. And the gamemode is already dying fast
open trellis
cedar river
@cursive geyser 200 battles really isnt that much. Plus i agree with @pine falcon. Only reason people play it is for the camo after all.
cursive geyser
I am asking devs and not arguing, stop pinging me.
pine falcon
1st) Devs barely care for rating. 2nd) I am almost 100% sure they won't lower it. 3rd) why shouldn't we ping you?
wind moonBOT
RockabillyTD#5161 has been warned.
bleak crest
So why should anyone care about ranked? It’s the same as random. Same artificial losing and winning streaks. Won 300 points today and lost them in 2 hours. Same horrendous teams, some even worse. So why play it except for credits and grinding in below par tanks?
cursive geyser
ChAt WiTh DeV, wHy yOu ShOuDn’T ArGuE iN ThIs ChAnNeL
ornate shale
Im starting to feel that it isnt a coincidence that everytime I get to 4980 rating I get bad teams.
Yeah. Its over. Not the first season that I have been robbed of a diamond camo
solemn silo
K
agile sphinx
That moment you think you are robbed because you can't gain points 😂
Maybe you just aren't good enough to get to 5k and so you can't win against the higher rated teams 🤷♀️ @ornate shale
cedar river
@ornate shale so relatable.
@agile sphinx nah man this really be real lol. Same thing here.
scarlet fox
I feel you might try too hard @ornate shale. Trying to force that win
rough gorge
Do ratings end today? and also, what time do they start up again? In my head I have it as 2-3 days after they close for new season
wind moonBOT
cancracker#4190 has been warned.
cedar river
@scarlet fox what should we do then? This doesnt make sense. Ofcourse you want to win when youre 20 points away from 5k.
scarlet fox
Yes I know but it could be that you try to force the win, make a stupid mistake and thus end up losing @cedar river. Ratings are more about doing damage rather than winning. Lemme find a screen to show what I mean
See how I made 8 points on a loss where the red E100 gained 9 on a win
cedar river
Thing is its pretty darn hard doing damage if youre team dies within 2 minutes. Shouldnt happen at 4950 ratings but sure does...
At that point the penalty for losing is big enough to make 2k dmg 3 kills still lose you 10 points a battle.
Sure thats wp. But it aint easy doing 4k dmg each battle.
scarlet fox
The spread in rating is monstrous from time to time
I had a 1540 rating guy on my team the other day. That's near 2500 difference 👀
agile sphinx
@cedar river You can still easily gain points if you just spam games, it's much easier if you have skill but even if you are playing badly you can get to 5k
scarlet fox
Thanks mate and I could easily see it would be a loss at one point in game. So I decided to stay alive as long as possible and just get damage done @cedar river
cedar river
@agile sphinx i have tried that. But its pretty tiring playing ratings a lot. The more tired one gets the worse he'll play, at least in my case.
scarlet fox
I can relate yeah ^^
agile sphinx
Then maybe you just shouldn't be at 5k ratings 🤷♀️
cedar river
Look mate, if it was all about skill i wouldve been daimond long time already. It isnt always explainable by simply stating 'maybe you shouldnt be at 5k'. I have seen some far lesser players be past 5k, simply because they got one of these t22 mediums. 'Should they just be at 5k' because they do? @agile sphinx
agile sphinx
If you aren't at 5k then there is a reason. If you have repeatedly got close but never made it, then it isn't luck. That just leaves you as the thing to blame, but you seem to be quite opposed to this for some reason 🤷♀️
cedar river
This is my first season trying. For 3 long days i have 'spammed' ratings battles. Procedure goes as follows: reach 4900+ > get 3 terrible teams > back to start, 50 points down or so. Highly demotivating and frustrating. Been through this cycle these 3 days for no end.
Also, if one can easily reach 4900, why not 5k? Its not as if you get matched up with same players anyways. 🤔
These 100 points arent some gigantic difference of skill barrier are they?
I'd get your whole 'its on you' statement if i had trouble getting to 4500 and then started complaining about the 5k problem. But that clearly isnt the case here. @agile sphinx
agile sphinx
So that seems like you got slightly lucky and got an easy run, and now you have reached your skill cap. And if you are losing 50 points across 3 games then your issue is definitely your performance. I don't see what is so different about getting to 4500 except you are just further away from where you think you belong.
terse sapphire
One question
cedar river
You really treat me like some 50% noob mate. @agile sphinx
agile sphinx
If you are losing 50 points in 3 games then you are playing like one
terse sapphire
During the 10 battle calibration... Does all the 10 battle counts in the final rating or just the 10th battle
cedar river
All 10 battles @terse sapphire
@agile sphinx who are you to judge me anyways. You havent seen me playing lol. Move along with your personal attacks on me complaining about some bad teams.
terse sapphire
I'm asking coz when i played the 10th battle got the rating.. nd below it was written something like you have been given xxxx ratings based on your performance in the last battle... Why?
cedar river
@terse sapphire probably because the last battle gives the final judgement on your final ratings calibration. You build up to your final calibration throughout these 10 battles though.
agile sphinx
@cedar river I'm basing everything off what you have said to me. You have said that you can't get any higher in ratings, and that you are losing a huge number of points over 3 games. Everyone gets bad teams, and if you aren't good enough to keep carrying them you don't belong at 5k rating, as it looks like your rating is showing 🤷♀️
bleak crest
You are right as always, Martin, damage really got rewarded more than winning here...
cedar river
@bleak crest nice one. :)
scarlet fox
You won ratings points on a loss. Top damage on the team. I fail to see where my logic is flawed Canny
cedar river
Any tips on trying to do as much dmg as possible whilst youre alone against 5+?
scarlet fox
The red guy gaining 17 points did low damage but may have been bottom tier, with two kills and/or a lot of assistance. Hence he gained more than you did.
@cedar river there was loads of sarcams in his post
cedar river
Right, sorry lol. Silly me. @scarlet fox
bleak crest
The thing is how the points are awarded is still perfectible
scarlet fox
You do gain and lose loss the higher you get on the board. For once Canny, we seem to agree on something as I've been puzzled too about points are awarded. Seems it is somewhat based on a perceived possible outcome for your vehicle and if you underperform you dont get as much as you want to
bleak crest
That’s interesting. I wonder if those figures are updated once a tank is buffed or nerfed. I would be very interested to see how those numbers compare for wz, smasher, t22, m4 rev and other lower performance tanks.
scarlet fox
Ooh, it's nothing confirmed @bleak crest ... it's just what comes to my mind when watching some results. Like a tier IX getting more ratings point for less damage while number of shots and assistance is similar
I would also like to see what would happen to ratings - and if we would get a bigger pool of people to really group similar ratings for MM purposes - if Blitz did what Console does. That is, ratings is one tier only for the duration of one weekend, starting at Friday around 12.00 server time and then have it run until Monday.
This is from last year, May 2019
https://console.worldoftanks.com/en/news/ranked-battles-tier-x-may
barren dragon
I hope there’s gonna be a new camo for 5k
I feel like the 5k camo doesn’t fit German tanks rn
pine falcon
I agree on the statement that we need a new 5K cammo. I kind of like the diamond cammo on my leo1
ornate spoke
it may sound odd, but sometimes in ratings you’ve gotta play for yourself.
sure if you can do something for the team to ensure the win, do it. but there comes times that you will benefit more in the end playing for yourself rather than for the team
things like getting kills, capturing bases in supremacy, spots, and damage can influence the amount of points you gain or lose
i’ve even seen kills > damage influences rating more
barren dragon
@pine falcon ye
It looks nice
ornate spoke
it's all about xp gained so that's why u go for kills first
ember gulch
finally!!
pine falcon
nice, you are right on time
elder steppe
Yessss
zenith trellis
I’m not going to make it this time 😕
No rewards for me
rough gorge
When does ratings start again after tonight?
pine falcon
We don't know. Normally it is 4-5 days.
bright bear
@rough gorge In game for me it says in 3 days, 20 hours
charred latch
So, how are we supposed to do 3 ratings battles for a mission when ratings battles are not available for a few days? 😦
sonic sedge
@cedar river I wouldn’t worry (not that you are mind) about 183mmADay, he ALWAYS defends war gaming’s matching etc. & ALWAYS blames the players’ performance & not the random ‘teams’, it’s a regular thing of his to player bash but stick up for war gamings ‘matching’!
I’ve got up to nearly 4k before & then was given rubbish teams like others have at nearly 5k rating which then force you to lose points through no fault of your own, which is why the points scoring system hasn’t been changed as the teams in my opinion are open to manipulation! As canny has mentioned & me previously, ratings are the same as random with better rewards if you can get over 5k...
pine falcon
@sonic sedge yes, we do get stuck in a 1-2 day constant win-loss situation but then we break out and manage to get the points back, allowing us to progress. On another topic, you haven't yet gotten 4k rating. That probably means that that is how far your skills can take you in the gamemode. And last but not least I must ask two questions (which someone asked you before but you never responded): What is the number of rating points you think you deserve to be able to get? And If you don't like rating, why not quit it?
cedar river
Oh well i ended on 4900 points it is what it is. Next season another try right.
I just wanted the 5k camo for my sheridan thats all lol.
fallen mortar
stevo is such a meme has no clue how to play plays rating cant get points complains. Any reason we give him he denies hes like a flat earther you can prove that its not flat but he still says its flat not matter how much you prove it to him
sonic sedge
@fallen mortar I’ve been playing this way before you even downloaded this app. I was playing it when it was +/- 2 tiers🤦♂️ (03/01/2015) Just typing that I ‘don’t know how to play’ when I’ve been playing this way longer than you & played more battles than you is just a bit of a stupid statement in my opinion and I didn’t even mention you in my comment but yet again you’re trolling me!
fallen mortar
well im playing WoT on PC since 2012 and thats way before 2015 so i know how to play World of Tanks and considering your stats you dont really know how to play 1300 WN8 is just awful not gonna lie but its above the avg 45% pleb thats true but even they somehow menage to get to 4k and above and no im not trolling im just a casual 68% player that bought his MM from WG and still why dont you answer the question of sevik "What rating do you think you should get to"?
glossy raptor
Battle amount and time played doesnt matter in what proof skills
pine falcon
Just because you have been playing the game since the start doesn't mean you play the game better than Suicide_Project. I will give an example with 3very (because he played rating soooo its kind of related) - he started in late 2017 yet he is better than probably 90% of the player base. In addition to that, why don't you answer my two questions in my previous post. @sonic sedge
agile sphinx
@sonic sedge You think WG cares enough about you to rig your MM? And if you had any sense at all then you would see that I don't always defend WG I'm extremely critical of them. The one thing that is right is the MM. Just because you have been playing a long time really doesn't mean that you have any clue how to play, and as shown you haven't learnt anything about this game at all.
sonic sedge
There you go,proves my point..player bashing yet again! ☝️
pine falcon
we wouldn't bash you if the point had came through that thick skill of yours , on the first or second time we argued.
agile sphinx
@sonic sedge It's almost as if you ask for it 🤦♀️
Stop complaining here and start learning to play yourself
sonic sedge
@agile sphinx Who are you to judge when you’ve not even actually seen me play or seen what teams I get? It appears you’re egotistical & I’m not the only one that thinks this, reading above!
native marten
hate to break it to you (stevo) but averaging 1.4k WN8 really does say something about how you play
fallen mortar
even tho 183 sevik and i play on the same server as the godlike stevo we all menage to get to 5k if we want = we are trolls and get better MM lol Join the rigged MM squad only 4.99$ a month 🤣 we have the same teams but we just play better
agile sphinx
@sonic sedge I have seen you play and it isn't fun to watch, and I have seen your stats which show that they weren't freak games
@fallen mortar Speaking of the rigged MM deal, have you seen yours in game yet? Mine is a bit late so I'm back to 30% where I belong today...
nocturne mountain
Lmao what
Rigged MM, yikes imagine having a company care so much as to select a player to ruin
fallen mortar
@agile sphinx well my offer didnt works at first but now im winning again but i still suck might ask the support why my enemies wont let me farm them like it shoud be
agile sphinx
Wow the enemies won't let you farm them? That's just so disrespectful and nothing like how the game should work, I'll send a ticket as well because that is just a horrific thing for WG to do to you... @fallen mortar
cedar river
What tanks do you prefer for rating battles? (Tier x's ofc)
native marten
T-62A would probably be my #1 choice (I don't have T-22)
hexed solstice
most of them are usable but there are a few you may want to avoid. specifically, the fv 215b 183. It doesnt perform very well in pubs, and rating is no different. The Grille 15 is also a meh tank and it would be better to just play the waffle.
pine falcon
Ok. Next time if we meet stevo in battle we shall see what he does and how he does it,OK? And we shall share results
cosmic cypress
Did I hear the infamous stevo mentioned
agile sphinx
@pine falcon I think that might be classed as naming and shaming based off what I've seen of him. 🤷♀️
pine falcon
@agile sphinx if we do it in DMs it shouldn't be a problem
fallen mortar
well i usually cali above 4k so its kinda hard to meet him
prime ferry
Why haven't I gotten my 3k gold yet???
prime ferry
Nvm I know now
ember gulch
@prime ferry 3k gold for what?
neon stratus
probably a dumb question, but what do you need to do in ratings different from standard matchmaking if you want to get higher ratings
glossy raptor
Nothing really. Win and deal dmg
neon stratus
easy
glossy raptor
We will see
neon stratus
yes we will
ornate spoke
#502019319417405441 @open trellis
prime ferry
@neon stratus winning
neon stratus
lol on asia thats pretty hard with all the 40%s
mellow ridge
Hello
fallen mortar
not gonna lie EU has more xD
neon stratus
ill have to stop you right there
fallen mortar
We have 4 times the players so we definetly have mir 40s 😂
pine falcon
No new 5K cammo...
mortal needle
We get is6 for being in Diamond league?
agile sphinx
Woohoo another useless ratings PR stunt, just what this gamemode needs instead of actual change and decent prizes 🤦♀️
When will WG ever understand that little things like this don't change the problem? All it takes is a free tier 5 prem for everyone over 5k and then a unique tier 6 prem only obtainable through ratings for the top 25 as well as gold. It's not that hard to see, especially not if you have a channel youa re supposed to read where people suggest things...
dull fjord
Never happy , crazy
agile sphinx
@dull fjord you happy with how ratings is? A useless gamemode where you are constantly against and with bad players even over 5k rating, and the way to get into the top 10 is to have no life?
midnight tusk
@agile sphinx quarantine helps. Stuck in this house for 2/3s of this month >.>
dull fjord
@agile sphinx the only point your right is the fact you can’t play with players with the same rank as you and it can be annoying , ok. (so its not a real ranked gamemode) but the thing is that you couldnt even play if it was like this since theres not enough players playing on this mode to get a perfect ranked mode.
About the top10 being no life , true but that’s fair to be honest , in every games (mostly all) with rankeds modes you need to farm all day long to be the best , and thats normal.
dull fjord
@agile sphinx and you should be happy to be able to win points even while losing.
agile sphinx
@midnight tusk It just makes it easier for people who don't have other things to do to get to the top instead of rewarding skill.
@dull fjord When you have over 5k rating it's stupid to be playing with teams with an average of low 3k rating. At the moment good players get a handicap of a bad team instead of going against better teams and having better games.
Why should I take one tiny little thing when there's so many huge changes that can be made easily? The IS6 fearless is a very good step but it's still only appealing to the very top, there needs to be something that appeals to the high 4k to low 5k player other than a camo and a temporary avatar.
dull fjord
Because its maybe not that easy to change ? And as i said above it’s impossible atm to make a real ranking match system since there is NOT enough players playing it. Rewards keeps being upgraded step by step. And it seems pretty logic that not everyone deserves a reward even if they achieve the 5k pass ...
agile sphinx
How hard is it to change? It needs more players so there needs to be more prizes players can get to. There's no shortage of 40%ers in ratings so they don't need any more motivation, but there is a shortage of people at high 4k and up.
Last season I only played for the camo, I think I did about 170 games and got to about 5.2k and I was just over 60th on EU. That means that there's probably less than 60 people actually genuinely trying to get to the top places. Trying to get more people in with the IS6 is a great idea and I like they way they have done it with parts, but there needs to be another reward accessible to more players otherwise the playerbase remains tiny and full of bad players. Then after that there is a great opportunity to change the ranking system to function well.
quaint egret
Sow in 10 monts gettin in dimond league i get an free is6🤡
I call that a great event🤙
Shame i never get there🤣
pine falcon
I really think that the IS6 Fearless will bring a big influx of players. Combined with the RBM would give a nice increase in rating playerbase
glossy raptor
Finally ^
next gull
Just saw the game news section
Congrats to WG for trying better incentive for playing rating battles, eventhough I will never get the is6, not even parts of it.
quartz aspen
Now I have a better reason to grind ratings
cedar river
@agile sphinx loool i complained about bad teams an you couldnt help but keep bashing my opinion down the drain... Look who's complaining about that now. :)
bright bear
I'm gonna be playing this season, lol
ornate spoke
@bright bear me as well
bright bear
Epic
mossy badger
I just want the season 1 nostalgia grind
That’s the pinnacle of blitz matches aside from tournament play
late mural
Right idea, bad implementation. Who in the diamond league really wants an IS-6? Any good player will find it a very boring tank. The prize tank should be a tier 10 premium, or at least a tier 9.
pine falcon
@late mural you can't say it is a "bad implementation". the idea is brand new and we are yet to see what will come out of it. We need to give WG a try
late mural
Prize idea good, but we know the main prize is the most boring thing possible. The game is already full of IS spam, especially in tier 8.
bleak cliff
Ah yes adding 10 more is6s each month will drastically increase the IS spam
late mural
Are you in the diamond league? Are you excited about a tier 8 Russian heavy tank? Because I just can't imagine a single diamond league player will be.
sonic sedge
Most long term players should have the IS6 already anyway, all this will do is encourage newer players into ratings who think they’ll have a chance of winning the tank & just messing up ratings even more!
This mode needs a massive overhaul...WG’s mantra is & I quote ‘REMEMBER: the better you perform in battle, the more rating points you will receive’.
Which just isn’t true, so come on War Gaming make ratings just like your own statement! Do well in battle (no matter how the team that YOU chose performs) & get more ratings points! DO IT !
pallid arch
Bruh, I will happily take a fearless any day
agile sphinx
@cedar river Complaining extremely unconstructively (also known as crying) about individual bad teams is not really the same as trying to improve rewards and the way the matchmaker works is it?
fallen mortar
hey stevo how is it never reaching even platinum league and what rating do you think you should be at ?
agile sphinx
@fallen mortar Cmon mate you can't ask hard questions like that, it's clearly impossible to say what rating you think you should be at...
fallen mortar
ohh im so sorry didnt knew it was such a hard question
agile sphinx
It clearly is if he hasn't answered it for the last 4 times it's been asked I think. You gotta start thinking a bit more there bud smh...
fallen mortar
Maybe we can't read it because he only answers it in the op I never reach 4k channel
lime sparrow
Either the question was really difficult to answer or OP's a little stupid.
Also why is ur pfp a decapitated anime head lmao
pine falcon
First, I just want to say that I would like the Fearless because it is literally the rarest tank available to the public in the entire game. Second, the question isn't hard. It only requires a single 4 digit number to be types. The man is just ignoring it. Third, why is stevo judging the entire rating system again when he cant even reach platinum.
lime sparrow
I'm all for more players playing ratings. Maybe I'll get shorter queue times uwu
fallen mortar
just because i liked it xD
subtle sigil
streaming in 10 minutes
rough gorge
No way to cummunicate in rating battles, cant type, cant even say Help or Affirmative - calling locations. Teams are usually already bad, not you cant even tell the 30%ers where to go xd
barren egret
@rough gorge yep
rough gorge
Such fun
cedar river
@agile sphinx lol mate that clearly wasnt 'crying'. Whatever, you're awfully toxic. The kind that won't ever approve of anyone else's opinion heh. Hope your happy to be like that. 🙄
sonic sedge
👌👍
pine falcon
Guys remember, if you meet stevo, notify us
agile sphinx
@cedar river No what I did wasn't crying, what you tend to do is complain/cry about not being able to reach 5k because of your teams (definitely not you). You may find it fascinatingly interesting that on very very rare occasions I do actually agree with people, but generally they aren't the sort that can't get to 5k 🤷♀️
sonic sedge
Just came across sevik...he fired 6 shots & missed with 4 of them 😂 despite me getting destroyed 1st as I was fighting two tanks protecting our rear I STILL scored more than him 👌 & yes I have the screen shots
cedar river
Lol y'all can say what you want but ratings calibration be worse than regular battles atm
sonic sedge
and you only calibrate from where you left off last time,so its not really ‘calibration’ like it should be!
cedar river
Ima calibrate at 2500 this time :D
pine falcon
@sonic sedge you literally rushed 2 heavies, died in the first minute and left us xD. You did not defend the flank nor did you hold it. I held my flank alone for 3 and a half minutes xDDD
In addition to the, the WT in the begging CLEARLY SAID TO GO RIGHT. You and only you went left.....
agile sphinx
@pine falcon That doesn't sound like something the mighty stevo would do at all, you sure it was him? 😂
pine falcon
If anyone wants the replay I can give it to them
bleak crest
So I was eagerly awaiting rating battles due to yesterday being very unproductive to say the least in random. I was calibrated in the middle silver league, 20% wr due to horrendous teams especially in supremacy. Doing top damage didn’t help either, it was like doing nothing.
pine falcon
Calibration is more dependent on how many battles out of the 10 you win. I didn't win that many of my calibration and got 3450
lone thistle
^^^^
I got 2900 compared to my usual 3700-4000 cause I only won 3
Same damage as I normally do, but normally I win about 6 or 7
bleak crest
Last time I won 80% and got around 3600
prime raptor
I won 8 out of 10 got 2999
agile sphinx
Well 60% got me to 3910 so I think it might just be player performance that's the cause of the differences in calibration. It's almost as if that's how it was designed to be 🤔
warped terrace
What tier is good to play in rating
next gull
5 or 6. If it says it is not available, wait a bit, this is because it has not started yet.
fallen mortar
ouf so today i will suffer it seems lets see what my Jpanther will give me
leaden delta
Well, I can't say what a joy it is to hear that there is finally a skill-based tank to grind out for, even if it is in ratings 🙃
sonic sedge
@pine falcon How about you comment on your own performance,you actually came last in the team,although we still won but you missed 4 shots which at tier 10 is reprehensible!
pine falcon
I literally held an entire flank alone for 3 minutes. XD. Also we won that battle thanks to Abyss in the WT.
sonic sedge
Yeah he played well as he stayed back to shoot the enemy,unlike some td’s that pretend they’re a med & rush forwards.
pine falcon
ANd guess who was the one spotting the enemies? Me
sonic sedge
Guess who slowed them down from flanking us at the rear? Me 😂
pine falcon
You died in the first minute. You slowed the for 30 secs max
sonic sedge
Still scored more than you, so live with it
pine falcon
Alright. But considering that 2.9K rating I saw you earlier on, I don;t think you are doing too good
sonic sedge
Still won most of my calibration battles..so it is what it is..
fallen mortar
bet imma calibrate above you stevo ?
sonic sedge
I played less than 20 battles I think last time...So I’m not bothered,as soon as WG make ratings better where its based upon individual performance then I might try more, but when it’s based on whatever ‘team’ you’re put in with then ratings really don’t mean anything!
fallen mortar
it is based on your performance but you have to be really good
a 2k at T8 when your team sucks doesnt mean you should get points do 4k and maybe thats good enough
bleak crest
You can’t do 4K if 2-3 team mates die in the first minute. Coincidentally they are not clan members most of the time. When 4-5 rush you it’s game over. Simply unplayable with such teams. I just hope I can get myself out of the silver league.
sonic sedge
yep I agree cancracker, just been in a ratings battle & two of the ‘team’ scored zero,the E75 got destroyed 1st then the JgPz100 (scoring under 500) then the AMX, game over soon followed!
next gull
Scoring 2k average damage at tier 8 is not that bad and deserve being at 4k rating.
fallen mortar
i wasnt talking about that but stevo wants to get points for scoring 2k in the loosing team because he did better than his team and thats kinda dumb if it were like 3,5k and above id might agree but 2k is just way to low to get points for a loss
cedar river
@pine falcon aye man im calibrating at 2500 this time around no hate 😂😂
Few 3500 dmg rounds and few 1200 rounds dmg, 10 losses out of 10. Not really playing serious anymore so just digging down deeper into the hole. :D
@agile sphinx do you think unicums deserve to be at 5k?
Because i clearly am one lol blitzstars aint lying 🤷♂️
fallen mortar
unicum is way to easy
bleak crest
It’s worse and worse, both random and ranting. So I “play” rating to get 50 games in tier x, maybe I’ll get to platinum later...
3,5 k damage, top, last in battle, only one with kills I get +/- 5 points. Why bother then?
mossy badger
imagine complaining getting +/- 5 points when you can do an 8000 damage loss and lose 60 rating in season one.
little heron
Carnage
gentle hill
3.5 k is more than 99% of the player base manage to get
drifting cedar
But it still isnt that much really
little heron
when will you offer a BALANCED game mode
It’s just big no matter what
gentle hill
If someone had a 3,500 avg damage in tier 10 I would congratulate them whole heartedly.. it’s not “easy” to get 3,500 every game.
drifting cedar
Almost none has 3.5k avg but it isnt that hard to do 3.5k in tier 10 as for an ace you quite often need 4-5k
gentle hill
And an ace is doing better then 99%, if you do 3,500 your doing more than about 95% of the player base in any given game
Or 85
drifting cedar
3.5k is probaply about a secon or third class in most tier 10 tanks
gentle hill
Which shouldn’t be downgraded “not really that much”. I would give anything for at least one of my teammates to do that kind of damage
drifting cedar
If you look closely in raiting if you get 3.5k it isnt so much so that it should be awarded with more points than the thing gives
native marten
3.5k is good damage but it’s nothing that impressive
drifting cedar
Yes
gentle hill
It just seemed like you were undermining the dude by telling him his 3,500 games were simply not good enough or not good damage
drifting cedar
Well i can see why you thought that
gentle hill
Yeah kek so I was just in his defence saying that 3.5k is still good
drifting cedar
But in reality we were talking about how many points is should get and in a loss and +/-5 points is what it should get
gentle hill
Oh yeah to get + points in a loss you need like at least around 4.5k dmg
But on the tangent of rating battles, why is it 5x harder to get IS-6 fearless in NA
drifting cedar
Less players?
little heron
Today full 7-0 or 0-7 no way no MM
drifting cedar
Id say 3.5-3.5
bleak crest
Teams are supposed to be relatively equal in rating. How can there be so many 7-0? Clearly something is not working right.
drifting cedar
Well people are still calibrating
mossy badger
I usually calibrate into 3k average lobbies and I absolutely plow over them
Wait until the middle of the season that’s when people are all mostly sorted out
cedar river
If you were reacting to me about the 3.5k dmg rounds i know its nothing special but in my defence i was playing the vk 72 lol
Thing is its always 2k more damage than the second player in my team heheh, silly me shouldnt have calibrated at 2.5k 🙈
On the other hand doing 3k dmg in a win, which isnt anything special i know, gains me like 50 points hah
mossy badger
Nah, it’s just that the players below you are at like bronze or something @cedar river
People like that do exist
cedar river
@mossy badger yep but oh well, might as well have some fun with killing noobies before ima tryhard to daimond am i right? ;)
mossy badger
Yessir
But this just my opinion but the vk 72 is a weird kid I’d recommend something more meta or just flexible or min-max when grinding ratings
Before Sheridan and heavy buff I’d almost always play T X mediums
agile sphinx
@cedar river Unicums should just about make it to 5k, but apparently you couldn't play like a unicum last season so you didn't reach it 🤷♀️
Maybe try a bit harder this season?
mossy badger
nah nah nah you don’t need to be a unicum
bring back season 1 plsssssssss
undone pulsar
You don’t need to be good to hit 5k. You need to just spam battles and with some luck it’ll happen
tall berry
^
lime sparrow
i need to recalibrate now i thought aboutit
cedar river
@mossy badger i know lol the vk 72 is a terrible tank for ratings. Everyone be spamming prammo at it anyways and its dpm is the worst of tier x. I was just messing about with it as i only just got it. ;)
gentle hill
E50M and panther II all the way
That’s how I roll
cedar river
I'm catching up y'all no worries heh
cedar river
Meh its nothing hard as its mostly 40%s here, even worse players than in regular battles lol. They fall for every shot you bait and never angle...
Although it is weird you lose 10 points in gold for this 🤔
drifting cedar
In gold you lose/gain more points than if you were in platinum or diamond
cedar river
I thought you'd lose less and gain more?
agile sphinx
@cedar river You lose or gain more at lower leagues, and for 1100 XP you don't deserve to gain anything 🤷♀️
ornate spoke
what do you mean you don’t deserve to gain anything? what kind of joke is this? Ratings as a whole is a completely flawed system where it rewards individual players that depend on a team to thrive or struggle. There should be no reason for a player in gold to lose even 1 point when he has done 5 k damage, no matter the overall XP, because often the case might be that his team rushed and spotted and he did not get the spotting xp etc, making it totally unfair. Saying that you don’t deserve to gain anything at this low rating is utterly stupid and you should simply be ashamed of coming with such arrogant responses.
Reason why actual good players gave up on this stupid gamemode should be clear enough.
agile sphinx
@ornate spoke I don't think your personal opinion on me applies to the rest of the server so I would keep that lie to yourself
@ornate spoke If you lose them you didn't do enough. If you lose then you should never gain points, otherwise you just end up with everyone spamming games to get to the top- oh wait that's what we have now. In an idea system you would gain a constant amount for a win and lose the same amount for a loss, but that would need too big a sample size of battles to actually pick out the best players. And yes XP does matter a lot not just damage, I can camp all game in a grille and do high damage but if it isn't effective damage then it's pretty worthless, and so it shouldn't be rewarded
cedar river
@ornate spoke lol @agile sphinx here doesnt like me. ;)
agile sphinx
I don't like the way you act like you deserve so much but say that you do so little, not you
cedar river
@agile sphinx just for your information i led the push my team did on c, but our meds didnt spot b and let enemies cap b. I did everything i could in that battle but oh well, cant always win eh. They won by points as well, i could ensure you that 5k wouldve been 6k because i was facehugging an e100 that had just bounced on me. But sure, i didnt deserve any points there. :)
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx go camp in a grille and do a lot of damage as you say because, frankly, you can’t do as much as you say you can. What i am saying is no matter whether it is a win or a loss, you should be rewarded for your struggle. Yes, the top 10 will be much higher but also after such a change we will be able to actually make a difference between who is good and who is not, when presumably people will get to 7-8k points and will fight players at higher rating than before, a k a better players and they won’t be doing as well when they would lose. This is the better way to see the difference between a good player and an average one spamming rating battles. Obviously if the guy would’ve won his base xp would have most likely been higher, otherwise how would u be able to explain couple of my 6k games that ended on a loss and were only at about 900-1000 xp?
“camping” and doing a lot of damage seems easy in theory, but is actually practically impossible because of how different the matchups are. No need to involve anything about such stuff into this 🙂
mossy badger
Ngl I’m not gonna read that but despite 5K damage you only had 1.1k exp, which explains the negative rating.
This system is flawed which is why I use mediums as spotting = more exp = easier rating @cedar river
ornate spoke
@mossy badger 1.1k exp on a loss, if it would’ve been a win it would have been higher most likely
mossy badger
yea I know, it’s a feels bad moment there
agile sphinx
@cedar river You did as much as you could, and it wasn't enough so you don't deserve a reward. It was much better than the average player would have done, so you don't get punished as much as they would have done. Almost everyone would have lost that, and almost everyone would have lost points. You shouldn't expect to gain points all the time
@ornate spoke So you are saying that I can't do 5k? That's just ever so slightly wrong but hey. If you are rewarded for a struggle then there is no end point, it just becomes which 60%er can spam the most games. If you are rewarded for winning more then there will actually be an end point where spamming games doesn't give you any more points, and that is an actual indicator of skil
mossy badger
haha then let’s go back to season 1 where a loss forces everyone to lose the same. If I can average 2.5k every game that means whoever spams the most amount of games will win, unlike where season 1 the actual best of the best were in the top 10 instead of “most active”
cedar river
Its all fine.... but at this point youre simply bashing on my every comment i make @agile sphinx
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx 60% is such a vague and loose term, please use one that actually is related to the term “actual good player”. I am saying that you are not going to constantly hit high damage in a grille when u only camp, because i know i am right about that. ALTHOUGH i reckon my vision of “high damage” is most likely higher than yours 🙂 Let’s be honest about that one, without repositioning you are a lost cause in a grille, we both know that.
cedar river
This pic was just to clarify the difference between a win and a loss.
mossy badger
Bruh mid 50%ers can get to diamond ez, but it’s just a flawed system @cedar river so just try r best
ornate spoke
Never have i ever said u can’t hit 5k, because i know u can. What i have said is that neither you not i would be able to constantly deal high amounts of damage only by camping
cedar river
@mossy badger yep true. Will do man and may you lads have some luck out there. :)
Ill stop my rant here heh.
agile sphinx
@cedar river I'm replying to things you ask if post
@ornate spoke You don't need to be an actual good player to get to the top of ratings in the current system, you just need more time than anyone else. And I'm going to hit 3k average reasonably comfortably, but I will lose more compared to playing it well. And the last time I checked the HoF was the same for everyone unless there is something special that you qualify for and not me. And with the state of teams at the moment camping will get you high damage, probably slightly higher if you reposition once or twice but you will still win more not camping
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx THAT IS THE ISSUE MAN, with the current system all you gotta do is grind, that is MY main issue
agile sphinx
And so by making it so there is no endpoint isn't going to help that is it? Making it so you can't gain points on a loss means there will be a point where you can't do any more, and that is your skill limit. If everyone could play hundreds of games a fixed ±10 points for a win/loss then there would be an end point for everyone skill level. Unfortunately people don't and won't play enough games for that to be viable, especially not further down the league's so there needs to be a compromise, which is ranking individual performance but using win/loss as they overriding factor
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx hear me out, what i am saying is that doing a lot of damage even at a loss should not make u lose points whatsoever, i haven’t said it should give u that many, i have just said that it should not drop u any points. With this kind of rating battles the good players will reach much higher points, where they will start to meet players very close to their rating, not the way it is rn, 5k players fighting 3.7k-4k from my experience. Having good players fight among them will even out the top and only let some of them prove they r worthy for more.
i might be a fail at explaining my idea, but it should be clear enough i hope.
agile sphinx
As long as there is no limit to where you can get to, which there won't be unless you can lose points more easily, ratings will always be dominated by battle spammers. Unless you make it so you lose points on a win you can't gain points on a loss. When people get to higher ratings they will just get worse teams and do a larger proportion of the damage, gaining more points by your system.
The current system where you gradually stop gaining and losing points is an awful idea for the top end, because if there is more than one person spamming enough battles then there will be little to no difference between the players so luck actually becomes a big factor in getting to first place. It provides an endpoint but that doesn't change based on the skill of the player, for instance you would get to the same endpoint as stevo, (who we all know is much better than you clearly) even if it took you more battles. What WG need to do is change to points system so there is a skill based endpoint, and the best way to do that is to punish losing more, so it's equal to the reward for winning
native marten
stevo’s just a meme in this channel for complaining about not being able to get to 4k
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx betcha i average 4.2k at least if im the only one touching my acc, proved it multiple times where i played by myself each day for a couple of battles and showed i can average at least that. Too bad that im too nice of a guy that lets people try tanks
because i know what i am capable of, and i know that if i would make a new acc where i’d pass 5k battles i can pretty much easily hold 5k wn8 at least, playing tanks that are my strong point, aka good guns and somewhat reliable armour ( mediums).
@agile sphinx ur a poor player
period. stop complaining
i personally find no way to reach averages beyond 4k-4.2k other than cheating, from my own experience. I had examples of perfectly played out rows of battles, about 10-15 in a row, where the average had no way to go higher
pine falcon
Battle rigging isn't really cheating but you can easily get 4K av. with it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ornate spoke
@pine falcon i do not know what to say about it mate, i consider it cheating.
pine falcon
cheating is normally caused by external add-ons. rigging doesn't have anything to do with external add-ons
ornate spoke
@pine falcon cheating generally means having and unfair advantage against the clueless players, and this is the case.
pine falcon
technically you don't have a set advantage. You are creating it in battle.
ornate spoke
it is a set advantage if u know u have a chance of going against a player that could willingly let you deal damage to him and give you the win
agile sphinx
@ornate spoke I think you might have missed my sarcasm about stevo there but hey it's Stevo1100r
@ornate spoke Nice to meet you too, I don't really see how I'm a poor player or complaining but I'm perfectly open to you explaining
pine falcon
@ornate spoke well you aren't guaranteed to get into a battle with the people you want to meet soooo it technically doesn't count a set advantage.
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx i had no idea who stevo is but it really hurt my uhm ego i guess because i kind of know my ablities in this game 🙂 and i don’t see too much beyond that. @pine falcon Let’s think about it this way, if u get into a battle that is rigged by you aka u got ur friends as enemies, it is clear cheating in that exact battle, right?
native marten
tbh rigging matches is cheating, “cheating” is to act dishonestly to get an advantage, so by you’re cheating by rigging the match in your favor
pine falcon
well if enemies reveal positions, don't shoot you etc. yeah. But if you just play together and laugh while in the same battle, then no.
ornate spoke
@pine falcon well that is true, but your second case does not let you get 4k average damage easily, am i right?
pine falcon
Yes, yes. You do have a point.
sonic sedge
@native marten I don’t complain about not getting to 4k...get your facts straight BEFORE mentioning me!
native marten
oh you have to be kidding me
okay sorry you complain about matchmaking, and the mm is why you can’t reach 4k, does that sound more accurate?
lucid stratus
Btw how many seasons are we going to have a chance to get the IS6 fearless charms, or is it just gonna be like this forever now
pine falcon
We don't known wg barely have us any info
mossy badger
@lucid stratus definitely for a longer period of time
rancid plover
Is there a specific reason why rating battles have limited time? (Mention me)
It only opens 10 hours, but why not 24 hours?
cedar river
@rancid plover i think it has to do with the whole rigging thing. Less players play the later it gets and thus its easier to face "friends", meaning free points.
sonic sedge
Just had a ratings battle,a player on our ‘team’ had less than 300 battles playing a T34 who scored less than me using a tier 7 black prince,he didn’t have a clue! This is where there should be a certain criteria before entering ratings! He even put a ‘gg’ at the end 🤦♂️
final fractal
Could you play world of tanks blitz with me
please
rancid plover
@cedar river I agree with your point, opening 24 hours is not a good idea.
However, on my itme(UTC+7), rating battles open on 3 pm. I wish it opens earlier than before.
final fractal
pls play with me
sonic sedge
Then there is the rubbish ‘matching’! The enemy team had three tier 8 td’s on a map that favours td’s & look at the huge ratings points difference between the teams!? War Gaming are you having a laugh?
ornate spoke
@sonic sedge allow me to ask you where were you heading in the second screenshot
sonic sedge
@ornate spoke with the rest of the team...& it’s not about ‘where I was heading’!🙄 Look at the rubbish matching! Are YOU for real?
ornate spoke
@sonic sedge what i see is that your team has the overall better tanks.
sonic sedge
whatever🙄
ornate spoke
you refuse to listen mate, that may be the reason u lose.
sonic sedge
listen to what? I can’t hear anything..
ornate spoke
guess u are good enough and need no help from us peasants, sorry to bother.
sonic sedge
I was the second to last player to get destroyed,little do you know
ornate spoke
ah, good idea, send me the actual replay of the match, ill point out all of your mistakes
sonic sedge
ill...is spelt I’ll...maybe I can help you with your schooling!
ornate spoke
@sonic sedge i am pretty sure i know how to spell, sorry for being lazy on that matter. Allow me to tell you that my schooling got me far and successful in life, allowing me to play this game while living a good life and not worrying too much about the future. Have a bit of respect, will you.
sonic sedge
How exactly are you gonna help me!?
ornate spoke
I asked you nicely, send me the replay of the Tiger 1 game.
sonic sedge
Just look at the screen shot above,I don’t need to prove anything to you! Get over yourself!
ornate spoke
I am not asking for any proof or anything, i JUST want to see your mistakes and your team’s mistakes!! Stop being so hard headed and give in, let us help u mate, because right now facts tell me YOU are the one who makes the most mistakes!!