It was worse because of grinding crews and tanks. This meant battles weren’t as balanced as first thought. In addition there was the afk exploit which is less common nowadays. I’m not saying rewards shouldn’t be higher for top performers if they win. I’m saying maybe if you lose you lose no matter what. This should both discourage afk players and selfish gameplay.
#rating-battles
bleak crest
mossy badger
what bout the 5k losses? what would you do about that?
bleak cliff
You people are talking about 'selfish gameplay' and how it should be reprimanded, but all I'm seeing is "oh let's punish players for carrying their sad team and doing damage to win the battle".
You don't get 6k damage by being a team player.
bleak crest
If a player does 6k damage and wins, sure, there should be a reward but if it is a loss, not really. Besides, this mode being based on balancing shouldn’t have “sad teams”. It’s often through selfish acts that they become sad. The current exploit being let’s just do damage and win big or lose virtually nothing, never mind team play which is all this game is actually about.
bleak cliff
If I do 6k and it's a loss, then it's not due to selfosh gameplay, it's because the rest of the team couldn't hold their own arms long enough to do just enough damage to actually win. Stop trying to blame players for doing good damage
And current point system is fine, albiet certain point gains at lower rating are slightly unfair, (3-4k rating), it's fine. Everyone is crying about people doing very good damage because they can't do it themselves and want the people who do the damage to feel some sort of pain similar to people who do not do the damage. And that's completely dumb. Gaining points on loss only occurs if the top person on the losing team actually makes a good sized contribution to the team. And if they were on the winning team, you'd see that they would earn more points than the rest of the team. But no, you don't care if they win and earn points. You just care how they earn points when the rest of the team loses points for not doing anything near them, and blaming them for being selfish. The early bird gets the worm. The smart tanker gets the damage, and gets it done before everyone else.
ornate spoke
@subtle fern you can turn the internet on, a lot can happen ! I have also suffered many times to give 0 dmg, the game is blocked, I have 10k ping ... it is not my fault . But there are still those who do trolls
@bleak cliff even if you play '' selfish '' in some matches and make 6k dmg, you still get extra points if you lose the match
@bleak cliff In some cases it is better to play egos, because there are some extremely weak ones who rush, or go where you shouldn't! Let's take an example, Desert Sands: 3 players go to the desert, the rest to the city / 5 enemies come to the desert, the 4 players who lose in the city being 4vs2 insult those who have won / lost the desert part, who is to blame ? the 40 players who went to the city, where they clearly didn't have to be or the ones who played selfishly and didn't help the city's bots, but they won the desert part 3vs5 ! Even if you win the match, you're still insulted, because you didn't help the misery ! This team game has become, a game where you have to shoot for yourself, because if you do your job in the game playing selfishly, you do a great job in the game
At 5-6k rating, there is already a very good team game ! I'll tell you this because I have about 10 seasons with 5k + rating and 4 in the top10 Europe
However, until the rewards of the very good players are increased, they will not even reach the rating, it is not worth it
#3 for 1k gold
6.032 rating
bleak cliff
Yes I know that the higher the rating the better, I'm arguing the same thing as you here
And yes, I agree there needs to be significant improvements to the rewards system because the one season where I actually tired for top finish and got second, for 6k gold and first got 8k gold. Playing consistently for 2 months, especially on the last 2-3 weeks of the season where I spent my weekends playing for the whole 8 hours of ratings per day just to get there, in the end it's just not worth the time put in for such little rewards such as a Max of either 3k or 8k gold and 4 camos on 4 different tanks.
The whole system of ratings needs an overhaul in how it works. Some things like the point gains need small adjustments. But others like rewards and team average rating balance to adjust the stupidly long queue times once reaching a high rating need to be changed for the better
ornate spoke
OMG wg ,again ??
bleak cliff
Exactly, there's not going to be any changes to the mode anytime soon because there's no noise about it. As far as WG can see, it's a dying mode, so barely any effort is going into it.
ornate spoke
@livid jungle
read please above this is the opinion of the players, to consider it
@patent pier
hot zephyr
@bleak cliff the thing is any decently skilled player can minimize points on a loss so all it takes is spamming enough battles to have victoties
bleak cliff
You are speaking as if a person knows from the start of the battle that it's a loss
hot zephyr
No it just takes doing like 2500 to 2800 which is good but not amazing and spam it to be top 10
novel stump
Hi
pastel timber
So once again same rewards to the same painful system that is ratings
I still stand with having single tier for ratings where you play a tier for a month... And it be a dream to only see tech tree tanks in the mix
manic quiver
Again stupid restart on ratings, so noobs can again thinkin of how great they are. Not to mention even when u re in 5k+ u can get in team 2k noob, and no interesting awards from ratings as well
bleak crest
Yeah, one needs to navigate the Noobish Sea again. And the fun part is it needs to be done with other tanks to get the camo. Needless to say the first few weeks while players recalibrate will be a roller coaster ride. I just hope this mode is still attractive to players as above 4K points the games are more attractive than random.
ornate spoke
I really like the concept of rating battles. I don’t think I’ll ever go for anything higher than platinum though. Why would I invest so much time and effort just for an increase in bragging rights. Platinum league gets you a free camo so Diamond doesn’t have that much appeal
I’d really put more effort if there was a better reward for Diamond league. I’d accept a week of premium and 100k credits in addition to the Gold for the top players
cosmic cypress
As James said, to spend that much time and effort just to get $10 in gold (for #1 in the whole region), a camo everyone in your league gets anyway, and an avatar that goes away in a month is not worth it
bleak crest
The actual reward should be a more rewarding and challenging gameplay, better team play, things like that. Stop thinking about what goodies you might get.
cosmic cypress
Yes because a bunch of randoms thrown together from a wide range of skill levels results in rewarding and challenging gameplay
late mural
@ornate spoke Most diamond players have ZERO use for credits or premium time.
@bleak crest We need better rewards to get more, much more, players into ratings. Not just for platinum and diamond leagues, but for the average player too.
next gull
Last time I checked (September), 1/3 of the playerbase did calibrate (EU server). I am not sure there is need for more players playing ratings.
There is need for a better player retention.
Many just calibrate then stop. Many of the goodish players try to reach one league for the camo then stop. The ones trying to reach the top 10 are not the target to me. Only 10 will, obviously. Only, say 100, can imagine they will. This is not a large enough playerbase to keep ratings running.
mossy badger
After the first few seasons of platinum and diamond there were really no point of tryna play ratings. I just did it for the missions to get clementines but that’s about it.
1st place should at least get a reward tank. It doesn’t have to be high tier. It just has to be one never seen before and something that is worth playing and unavailable to buy.
agile sphinx
As said above catering to the top 10 or in your case the top 1 doesn't encourage any meaningful amount of people to play at all
cosmic cypress
But shouldn’t the top 10 players get better rewards? Just Bc there’s multiple problems doesn’t mean we can’t fix one of them
minor meteor
Maybe they we listening us..
mossy badger
That’s just an example - make rewards that have worth chasing
ornate spoke
Offer the Obj 279 (e) as a reward for the top player for each region
ornate spoke
It seems to me like you guys are just bad, the current ratings system isn’t structured around skill like they say. Whoever can spam enough battles will progress throughout the leagues eventually. We don’t see any top clans like rgn, pramo, v, pncr, in top 10, it’s just a matter of who can spam the battle button the most. Things like getting kills and capping bases weigh more heavily than doing damage. Now some may argue that killing/capping bases is more important but you don’t have to be a particularly good player to reach 5k imo. And the rewards are too little for the ones who are playing tens and sometimes a hundred or so hours grinding it out
I don’t really push for top spots unless it’s during the 2 months seasons during spring and twister, it’s not worth it to invest so much time for little rewards
bleak crest
The question is what do you get from random battles that is more rewarding?
cosmic cypress
You don’t get anything from either of them
bleak crest
One should normally expect entertainment from a game yet some sort of material reward. The question everyone has to answer is which mode provides more entertainment and act accordingly.
steady valley
If you are running in NA ranked battles, watch for afk and rigging matchs. I caught someone doing this last night.
still latch
Hmm would be kinda cool if ranked battles had objectives (like a separate version of the daily missions) where after completing a series of tasks (varying in degree from easy to hard) to can get rewards. At first you can complete stages to unlock say 1k gold, later a tier 5 prem and the more you progress the harder the missions become and the better rewards received
Build a system that gives out actual rewards that are long term and worthwhile. Say have a new premium t8 that is only available after completing every mission within a season on top of camos, credits and gold. And on top of it, the top ten players within a league get a prize as well.
And for further long term goals, say after completing 2 to 3 full seasons worth of missions at the Diamond level, you have an opportunity to receive a tier 10.
surreal steeple
@still latchthat look like event . Cause rating battles needs to have some sort of rating . Not to have mission . Then it would be called rating missions or something like that . Like no sense.
still latch
Bruh have you seen the way you can complete a wide degree of missions in wot PC to get tanks like the obj279e
Would basically be that
There needs to be long term goals and rewards for rating if they are to remain relevant. And tbh a system to acquire tanks/in game rewards would be cool for normal battles as well.
And for within each league (bronze, gold, plat, diamond) can have their own rewards :/
League rank > dictates quality of rewards
surreal steeple
I know what u meant but this is Blitz and they wont give tanks just like that. Thry will make always hard event but u can buy tank for money .
And devs listen community only if community says what they want .
bleak crest
What point does rating have if half the time it’s like random battles anyways...
hot zephyr
@bleak crest I win more in random battles
bleak crest
So all in all you get more rewards?
next gull
The proposition of @still latch is , to me , sort of ideal but would require a big change in the way ratings were designed.
An alternative, would just be to improve the rewards of the current mission crates according to the league you were in, provided the missions were accomplished during rating battles. Better drop rate of top earnings, better level of boosters (normal to epic ones)... nothing very fancy, I agree, but straightforward to implement.
cosmic cypress
The way you could progress in this so called ratings missions is to just win battles. This would push everyone to try, so more competitive battles, and there would be incentive to grind out rating battles
stable hound
The season was easy😂
wind moonBOT
HoksMeisTer#5954 was muted
ornate spoke
👀
ornate spoke
💦 😅
ornate spoke
Xd
xD
heavy pendant
Have they given rating cameos yet?
Got my avatar immediately, but I’m still waiting n the camo
pine falcon
Did you play 50 battles in a tier and did you reach at least platinum league? @heavy pendant Also was the most played tank in that tier capable of having a cammo installed on it
thin peak
Hey guys I’m new
ornate spoke
Hello guys
blissful portal
This is no longer ratings now it is disgusting teams battles
heavy pendant
Anyone know?
limpid berry
Oi
mossy badger
@heavy pendant dude give it some time
ornate spoke
HeLlO GuYs
drifting cedar
@heavy pendant the camos are in your tanks you just need to apply them they are in appearance with other camos you just need to find it from there
heavy pendant
@drifting cedar i know how to get to camos, i don’t have the rating ones yet
drifting cedar
The raiting camos are in appearance after the season ends (simplified version)
floral fern
Oh c'mon
pine falcon
I don't know why but for me this season is way way way easier than the previous one even though I am playing tier 7 - meaning I am always bottom tier.
mossy badger
I literally calibrated in platinum and a threw a game on purpose
karmic mulch
Last season
dapper sand
The leaderboard doesn't show up for me on the wot blits website. Anyone else got that problem?
last nebula
Hey guys I am new and I'm really confused and can't figure out how to even fight in a rating battle
minor meteor
yes
last nebula
Can someone please tell me how to fight a rating battle
mossy badger
Get at least tier 7 max upgrade @last nebula
last nebula
And just battle with a tier 7 and I will start getting rated??
Thank you btw @mossy badger
mossy badger
In the subsection yes
last nebula
The subsection? Like tournaments??
mossy badger
Drop down next to “BATTLE!”
last nebula
Ok thank you
fallen mortar
@mossy badger why did you tell him new people shouldnt play ranked reeeeee😂
bleak crest
Lots of players online and rating stops. No apparent reason...
pine falcon
Ratings are always turned off at night
fallen mortar
When you avg nearly 5k but still lose 40% of your games
cosmic cypress
10 battles
fallen mortar
Yes it was calibration so I'm kinda disappointed of how low I actually calibrated and even if its only 10 battles you shouldn't only win 6 out of 10 with that avg
next gull
Some would say that this is what should happen when MM balances, somehow, the skill of the teams ?
pine falcon
@fallen mortar I don't think that is average. Just like the xp stat, it is the most you have gotten so far this season.
fallen mortar
It's definetly not the highest dmg since I had at least 1 6.3k battle
And a few 5k ones but yes it's kinda high
bleak crest
The XP can be explained if you run premium
balmy hollow
The average damages For some reason takes The damages you have done with vehicle on Every season with The tank and divides it by The games you have played this season. That's why it shows such a high averages.
ornate spoke
Ratings suck this month again
gentle vine
Remove Win Rating Battles mission so noobs dont play Rating
now
crisp jacinth
there dosnt seem like enough players playing ratings to take it seriously.
naive bluff
@crisp jacinth that is true. I have seen the spread on a team of a thousand or more rating points. I don't think that was the intended format. The skill gap between those rated players and the people just playing ratings to get the three clementine mission makes it exactly like regular battles.
wind cave
How many battle in a tier do u need until u can get the camp? @ me plz
warm charm
@wind cave 50 battles in a certain tank
cold hare
What’s the biggest the average point gab can be? They 7o us 💀
tawdry ingot
yeah, I'm pretty done with ratings right now..... Wargaming, if you are paying attention, SOMETHING needs to be done. My experience has been HORRIBLE in ratings this month. There needs to be a rework to ratings matchmaking, or at least a gain in ratings to the top 1 or 2 players on the losing side. I am QUITE tired of losing matches where I deal above 3k damage, and the highest on my team is below 2k....
hot zephyr
Nope losing a game should lose you points even with 9k damage
tawdry ingot
Even if matchmaking is so badly skewed that the average winrate is 18% between the teams? Hard disagree
42% average versus 60% average is totally balanced. But whatever you say
It's totally fair when the red team gets a unicum in the VK 90, and I get a damnable player account with 400 games all time at a 31% winrate
mossy badger
Oh yes like that happens every game
tawdry ingot
almost every game, actually. Ratings are VERY bad right now, at least for me. I had a couple losses in calibration from disconnects, and that put me down in the dumpster tier, and now every game is utterly horrid
mossy badger
I’ve been put in rating battles during calibration where my team every game is 400-600 lower and I won 70%
tawdry ingot
Unless of course 4700 damage and 4 kills is still my fault we lost. Then, I dunno what I can say
mossy badger
I can do 7k losses and find my faults. It’s nitpicking at that point but if you identify yourself as a better player u gotta find more faults to get better.
tawdry ingot
I know my errors, but more often than not, I have to carry FAR more than my fair share of weight to win a match
mossy badger
Well obviously 60% of the player base are, as said by Spartacus, 12 year olds playing on their moms phone while they put on lingerie
tawdry ingot
12 year olds playing on their moms phones while they put on their lingerie should not have tier 10 tanks and should not be able to play rating battles
mossy badger
But they can
tawdry ingot
And don't pull the "Don't expect ratings to be an oasis free of fault" thing on me, I've heard it, and accept it. But this is ridiculous.
mossy badger
As “if ur at that point u should be given freedom to all facilities as you own it”
Oh yes it’s mega funny
Why do you think half of top 10 aren’t actually pro players? It’s just top-10-most-active-in-ratings.
tawdry ingot
I suppose there's that, yeah, but if they have 5k, they must have some sort of skill, to win 50% or more of games and actually win a lot of those games
mossy badger
Nah that’s season 1 where everyone lost and won the same rating in each team
Now that was a nightmare to actually win bc everyone was a future pro player or actually amazing but that was I’d say the best mm ever in blitz history
tawdry ingot
they just have to deal more damage then the rest of the team AND win 50% and more, right... Totally, every single 5k player is a 12 year old on their mom's phone
My point is, the rating system is rather flawed. There's a LOT that needs to be done to fix the issues that are currently commonly occurring in them...
mossy badger
Like what? Unless it’s a minor change u can recommend WG won’t do squat.
There’s a lot to change but rn it’s just it’s bad but there’s nothing u can do
tawdry ingot
I have a suggestion for something that could be tried, but that's not a minor change, and I can only hope and dream that they will listen and consider it
mossy badger
Go on anyways
tawdry ingot
mossy badger
oh haha MILITARY HONOR
tawdry ingot
don't judge the book by it's cover, read the content first
mossy badger
Can’t read reddit rn but military honor is a joke
tawdry ingot
It's a suggestion for changing military honour, and a way to base matchmaking somewhat off of it IF the change works
naive eagle
are ratings battles camos temporary?
next rapids
I need
tall berry
arent countdowns illegal? i said i would report them and they gave me provactive communication lmao
pearl shale
Last i heard countdowns were fine IF they weren't rigging while doing it. What i mean by rigging is if they ended up on opposite teams they didn't fought eachother and let one of them win on purpose.
cosmic cypress
Rigging is dumb I would want to beat my clan mates lol
pearl shale
I tunnel my clanmates
quaint egret
Hello i done not so much rating, im now on 4352 points with foch155 and 50 games , so now i can play also tier 8 and 9 50 games and get 3 cammo?
zealous orchid
@quaint egret yes, 50 games on EA tier
autumn cape
hello guies
frail pilot
Sorry for the poor editing but can anyone explain how this can be!!!???
So in reality your win rate is really a reflection of how bad your teammates are
tawdry ingot
really bad teams, or intentional throwing
frail pilot
No I mean that In Random battles as well your win rate is dependent on your teammates
agile sphinx
@frail pilot No your WR shows your performance, after about 100 battles teams have no effect because they are random so it balances itself out
frail pilot
I know it does but the matchmaking also seriously affects your chance to win and therefore indirectly the win rate
next gull
Wow, what a lucky guy ! 32k battles of good team mates.
Unless... nah, can't be. Just lucky.
Concerning the calibration, maybe he experienced the latencies that WG are trying to fix (so they say).
bleak cliff
Lol stop blaming WG for this. He's throwing and it's obvious. 1 shot of damage, for 376, so HE, and 1700 rating, which on its own barely anyone has, so it's clear he's trying to get as low as possible
torn rain
Oh james I saw you in a few battles :0
hollow night
@frail pilot Looks like it's a sold account
hexed solstice
It really doesn’t just looks like the guy only fired HE and is tying to throw his rating
hexed solstice
Obscene queue times, though I’m playing tX and theyre are 20 other players in queue
frail pilot
@hollow night very good point I forgot about that possibility
bleak crest
Look on his most played tanks. Those guys have more than 10k games in low tier op tanks and under 100 in tier x with 30-40% win rate. They are worse than afk in rating battles.
wind moonBOT
LOFGRENALFRED#2703 has been warned.
ornate spoke
How are we supposed to put rating on the table for dinner when i gain 100 and game takes 140
jaunty apex
I dont even like rating i just play regular
quaint egret
Why i cant get any futher ten 4400 point, am i than just facing better players is that it?
tall berry
pretty much
mossy badger
Ratings is a joke just spam the battle button and ez 5K
open iron
ornate spoke
They need to rework rating its getting really boring at least put some more rewards in it .
heavy pendant
Are they just not gonna hand out the camoes for last calibration
It’s been over a week now
bleak crest
The problem with rating is there are still low skill players present and supremacy can’t be turned off, that’s where random is better.
silent plover
Noice
short snow
i play 300 battle today
sonic sedge
Ratings battles need a serious update,scored 300 points higher than the opposing team’s highest score in a tier 9-10 battle, but because our ‘team’ lost ‘my’ rating STILL goes down! Think of something a bit fairer please War Gaming!
muted shuttle
@sonic sedge Judging the whole system by one battle?
restive dawn
Boohoo
ornate spoke
Afks
pine falcon
judging there being a tier 6 in the battle, I would say this isn't rating relate it
minor meteor
this can happen to anyone
versed ledge
@ornate spoke please don’t name and shame. Sometimes players can have a call for example which means they go afk. Or they might have deliberately gone afk. We don’t know.
ornate spoke
All the match?
versed ledge
It’s happened to me 🤷♂️
versed ledge
You get an afk approximately every match? That’s rare...
ornate spoke
Yeah
And im happy because 1 youtuber decided to make a video about the event and in that event explains how to get the new not very good vk 90.01 p for 400 500 euros
And the name of the Chanel is pantoufleee on blitz
quaint egret
.....rating
wraith ermine
My Rating is just stagnant with the current states of players. I don't know the team i can really trust in the game. Even if i do big damage, i still can't carry it in asian server. Sigh. If wg doesn't fix the mm by players im not gonna play ratings
muted shuttle
@wraith ermine How would you improve the MM?
hushed sequoia
bleak crest
Rating doesn’t have a MM problem just not enough players in all leagues. MM would work better with longer waiting times but who wants to wait 10 minutes for a same league battle? Not too many, I guess. So in order to attract players this mode needs to have something special like only no nonsense players in a queue. Unhelpful players should have their own league otherwise what’s the point. This mode also has supremacy battles always on which this is another good thing that some players have lost interest in due to losses causes by those who barely understand encounter let alone supremacy. So another idea to think about would be either a separate supremacy queue or no supremacy at all for such players.
MM can’t fix low performing players even if they are the same number in each team, even if they are in the same type of tank and same tier. They are unpredictable and will do all sorts of things that won’t help the team win. Some rush and are knocked out in the first minute, some camp the whole game near spawn and provide no help. Basically it’s they who decide the outcome of the battle
wooden thorn
Lol just dont suck. Even if you lose and do well you'll gain points, maybe lose 5-10
heavy pendant
Anyone wanna help explain why I didn’t get my rating camoes from last month. Yes I hit 5k, and yes I played 50 battles in two different tanks, so I’m currently missing 2 camoes.
If your not gonna give me what I earned then just don’t make me waste my time
I’ve waited long enough for it, and now it’s pissing me off.
Mods?
mossy badger
Bruh
gentle vine
What would happen if you play rating with tanks that cant use camouflage
Y5 ELC bis for example
Or Lycan
Would you just not receive a camo and get ignored by WG cause they dont give a crumpet
glossy raptor
U would get credits instead @gentle vine
gentle vine
Thats dumb
wraith ermine
@wooden thorn i tried, but not help so much. If i too aggressive in the early of the game, loses will comes fast. But if i just spot the team mostly just camp. OMG. And starts dying slowly. Whenever i win a game, the enemies are hard one to take on. But whenever i losing a game. It just happen so fast. Typical asian server. And guess what, there is a couple times i did the most damage myself but getting like -27 OR -12 on my ratings. (CENSORED)!!!
@bleak crest too many early and new players entering the rating battles you mean i get it. But this is one of why many members on my clan rarely go to ratings battle even if that does offer a nice camo. We couldn't help the players, one thing nore is somestimes but a lot of players dunno what are they suppose to do. And honestly it freaks me out too see that.
soft folio
Hi
restive dawn
Let's make it clear, if you're losing more games than in random mode it doesnt mean teams necessarily suck, altho it might mean something else sucks
bleak crest
It means balance is not right, that’s what it means
balmy hollow
Nope that IS The goal If you win over 50% in randoms your winrate should Be less in ratings and If it IS lowers than 50% Then it should increase
That IS how it should work.
muted shuttle
@heavy pendant Contact the support please
winged oar
Playing ratings on tier 7. Always on tier 8 cause players dont want to play such tier cause if in case of lost battle you will be punished the same value of points as you could play tier 8.
Its definetely incorrect.
undone pulsar
@winged oar judging by the rating points you lost, your xp per game and credits, I would wager it wasn’t just your team
winged oar
@undone pulsar I wrote about something else. Sorry.
undone pulsar
Low tier games give you a chance to gain more if you’re successful
winged oar
But the same value of loss like tier 8 if unsuccessful.
So you mean "good luck"?
Its definetely incorrect for me. Chance for influence on battlefield is much more lower than playing tier 9 against tier 10.
Nobody playing tier 7 and that's causing that you playing all the time on 8's.
So its not need to prove anything here. Its just a problem to solve.
undone pulsar
No, it’s not about proving yourself
You gain more xp from shooting and killing higher tiered tanks
winged oar
Show me one player which have more than 4500 and plays tier 7 in this mode.
fallen mortar
Just search for some smasher tryhards
winged oar
Anybody who wants gain points dont play this tier. And road for camouflage (50 battles) Always looks like road through hell.
undone pulsar
I disagree
I’ve seen plenty people stat pad with dracs and helsings
You pull 2k damage and a few kills and your ratings will soar
winged oar
I always going higher after 50 battles in tier 7 (one year expierence or more even)
undone pulsar
It’s an easy way to abuse the system with broken tanks
winged oar
So I always start from 50 battles in tier 7.
@undone pulsar agree or disagree? - gravedigger - overwhelming against 6tiers\non influencer on 8tiers (?)
undone pulsar
It’s trash
winged oar
I dont know better heavy tank on tier 7. If u play against same/lower level.
But against 8's its trash.
A huge gratification.
Yeah, my bad. Ishould win it.
It happened! All team tier 7!
My bad:
wooden thorn
Wtg
winged oar
Rating battles tier 7. Try it. Its funny XD
fallen mortar
We said OP T7 tanks non of the ones you used were close to that
winged oar
AVG dmg 1285. Winrate: 28.57%
bleak cliff
Okay?
winged oar
If u take in consider that only one battle was with tier 7 not really.
@bleak cliff you okay? Headache?
undone pulsar
@winged oar why are you spamming useless screen shots?
There’s a channel for screenshots. It’s called #screenshots
mossy badger
Uh ok
Season 4 or something I got to 4.9k and most my tier 7 games were in a SP IC
65% win rate
bleak cliff
Yeah I'm okay mate, but don't see what the problem is. @winged oar he had a few bad games, or just isn't at the standard you so obviously want to carry you
fallen mortar
Well to win good at T7 a solid 1,9 to 2k is needed
ornate spoke
I would like to see a single season ratings season again
winged oar
@undone pulsar u are useless
I quit this game forever
And seems braindead or corrupted
Find someone else who after 5 years playing of this will lose 75% battles for YOU
To KEEP new players in
pearl shale
Uh what?
winged oar
@pearl shale you will not understand cause he removed screenshots
pearl shale
Did you repost them in #screenshots
winged oar
@pearl shale sure
silk vault
Olszu. LoL
winged oar
The battle is lost from the begining and thats the sad true about this game
pearl shale
They aren't naming and shaming screnshots, right?
winged oar
@pearl shale screenshot uploaded
undone pulsar
@winged oar this isn’t your personal channel to complain
cursive geyser
Xd
fallen mortar
I'd say get gud and curry harder since I don't have huge problems to win in ratings
Even tho I underperform a lot my avg in WT in ratings is 3k and random im around 2,9k but the wr is 76% in random and 58% in rating which is mostly my fault because I messed up a few times
cursive geyser
🍛
bleak crest
Something happened to ratings. It’s worse than before. Lots of players under 1k battles that bought a premium and just spam battles. Ratings is just not what it’s supposed to be.
fallen mortar
its not bought its got due to event
nocturne mountain
I mean the addition of new players who don’t know what they are doing make ratings a lot easier
ornate spoke
Maybe make it so premium vehicles are not allowed. This could make getting data on tech tree tanks aka separating competitive ones from decent/"fun to play" tier 10s. Premium tier 10 tanks are by no means OP, but their credit income allows premium ammo to be used much more without many negative effects.
undone pulsar
Tech tree only rating battles would be a lot of fun. 100% crew and maxed modules only should mean a much more fair playing field
fallen mortar
i agree make rating Tech tree only so no OP tanks like WZ and tanks like STA-1 have at least some kind of a chance
next gull
That would be nice, but I do not see that happen with the current strategy of WG of selling as many and as early as possible premium tanks.
bleak crest
Tech tree only is bad for income so it’s never going to happen except in training rooms 😄
fallen mortar
Well à try could be a mixed ranked and a tech tree only ranked
If there aren't enough players for tech only you could switch to the mixed one
It might bring more player but I think mainly for grinding but tech only would be somewhat more skillful I think
ornate spoke
I still wanna see a single tier season again 🤷 preferably 10
bleak crest
They need to have more premium tier x tanks on offer then. With tier 7-8 in rating battles people buy premiums to get there faster and there are a lot of tanks on offer. It’s not the same in tier 9 and 10.
fathom briar
I have not played ratings in a while do you still have to play 50 matches in a tank to get the respective league camo for it?
torpid walrus
yes
fathom briar
Thanks
lime sparrow
I'd love to play more rating battles if more people actually joined the Queues
cosmic cypress
True
bleak crest
Rating is just like random now, no true leagues so there are enough players. Not good ones but enough.
drifting cedar
Raiting really does need more players as i am at 4k and the average points of my team bounce between 3.1k-4.5 (mostly at 3.5k) and the balance between each teams points have been... Well unbalanced as the difference has been even 600 points sometimes
ornate spoke
Please increase the rewards from rating
hot zephyr
^ trippe the gold value and fix the system. Stop giving me points on a loss
ornate spoke
These battles will not let me rise in rank
2 days playing and stays between 4400 up to 4500 😭
bleak crest
It means this is your level
Be happy they don't give you teams to drop you 1000 points. Then you have to change your gameplay to get up the ranks again...
candid arrow
How do I play ranked battles on Wotb?
bleak crest
Select the mode on the right side of the Battle button. You can also turn supremacy off for random battles in that menu.
ornate spoke
as you can turn encounter off :p
urban pelican
War Gaming, can you plz take away the mission "win 3 battles in rating". So you don't have to play with the tough players. Some players are having a hard time trying to win in rating.
drifting cedar
And could you please for the love of god take mines out of raiting... And tiers above 5 in random que
bleak crest
Although Mines is a very simple map, people still can't play it. Probably because of "tough players"...
pine falcon
@bleak crest its because it is a campfest, tanks with no gun depression ot good turret a screwed, flanking is almost impossible and last but not least, from my exprience the south spawn can get the hill easier (they go down a slope increasing their speed) and has a saver hill possition
bleak crest
You can play around that with team work but that is a rare commodity. And if the fast tanks are useless it doesn't matter anyway.
next gull
Oh, I already saw 6 tanks going to cap straightaway on mines (in ratings). So, you see, there are alternatives to hill.
Obviously they lost, but still, this was a change.
Eeeehhhh, I am green (no link with above message whatsoever) !
tender pecan
Me too
pine falcon
@next gull ayyy you finally received the role after 6(???) months?
next gull
Yes. Everything happens with blitz...
undone pulsar
@next gull we can finally assign roles now so yeah. I got you
next gull
👌
bleak crest
The problem is not camping, it’s that players don’t realize what’s going on. I had such a game on Mines a few hours ago and we won it. Most camped and all except one realized what was going on. We held on to our hitpoints and defended. Finally we stormed the base and concluded the battle with 20 seconds left on the clock. I was also under the impression it was a bad game and shared the replay but a friend of mine said it was actually good work under the circumstances with no fast tanks and meds to spot. And I got decent rating points for assisted damage mostly. It’s not that bad when you realize what’s going on with the team.
So I don’t think that advantage the rating battles matchmaker awarded to one team or the draw of the spawns it significant in relation to the actions the players. A bad player beats that anytime.
warm charm
Getting a high rating is a combination of luck and skill. Without skill you’ll never reach 4k, but if you do it’s 90% luck on how high u can go, where the other 10% being how many battles u can spam.
agile sphinx
That is completely wrong anyone can reach 4k unless they afk every game, and getting to 5k just needs you to play like an average player and have spare time. It isn't luck at all it is completely based on battle spamming
warm charm
If you think anyone can reach 4k you are completely disregarding the 80% of the playerbase that literally have no brain, and it means skilled players are depending on the lack of those players, which is 100% up to MM and therefore luck
bleak crest
And you get those 80% in your team. So there’s no way you don’t lose points. Losing streaks of hundreds of points are common. Simply dysfunctional teams on and on.
And another fun fact, I get valiant effort and 32 points deducted on a loss. 400 points lost this evening. Great gaming experience... I still wonder why I’m playing this game...
agile sphinx
@warm charm If you tell any player to play ratings then eventually they will get to 4k. It is literally impossible to not have a net increase in points unless you go afk or kill yourself every battle. The reason people don't get to 4k is because they don't play enough battles. And no it's not down to luck at all there are bad players on both sides and the MM balances itself out even after about 10 games.
@bleak crest If you are losing points in ratings then it is completely your fault
bleak crest
Sure, because if we have 3 bases and a t54 yoloed it’s completely my fault...
agile sphinx
If you can't carry or support then it's entirely your fault, and one battle where one person did something stupid doesn't explain why you have lost 400 points in one evening, there is something going badly wrong and the common factor is you
bleak crest
Yes, me and martindogger... the common factor...
Nobody can support those kinds of teams that die in under 2 minutes.
For me it’s always streaks, 400 up, 400 down. Never steady up or down...
ornate spoke
Yes if you get "80% of the the player base that has no brain" and still lose more than 5-10 points in a rating battle in means you did no better than them. So you're now part of that 80%
warm charm
The only way to lose at most 5-10 points on a loss is to do like 3k at t8, and sometimes that’s just not possible when ur in a 1v7 in 2 min with a heavy. There’s a difference between “I have no skill and I die in the first 2 min” and “I have skill but my team died in the first 2 min so I died”
bleak crest
Exactly, but this difference is not shown by points. I played IS3D and when I got to hit the whole clip I lost 10 points less vs 0 damage. Even if I do top damage I still lose a lot of points. I’m awarded Valiant Effort and lose 32 points simply because of ridiculous teamwork.
manic ridge
guys my favorite tank in rating battles is standard b but i have sold it now what happens to the camo if the season ends?
do i get it on the next tier 9 favorite?
fallen mortar
you still get it on the one with the most battles
manic ridge
even if it's sold?
fallen mortar
yes
safe fable
Yeee number one player in da world
pine falcon
@safe fable explain please?
safe fable
I calibrated in gold but I purposely lost to get to silver
Is called I wanna be the “best bot”
fallen mortar
Wow and here we have an Individuum that makes people quit ratings ^
remote path
wooden thorn
That's the dumbest thing i've heard in a while
warm charm
^
torn rain
😂
mossy badger
I don’t think it works like that
steady valley
Thats whats known as a pro gamer move 😆
bleak crest
That's why players should be in a league for an entire season. Let's see if someone gets in the lower leagues on purpose anymore. One month playing with those bots should teach an unforgettable lesson.
sonic sedge
Fix the ‘ratings battles’ to reflect the actual players rating & not the useless ‘team’ that war gaming decided to hobble together!
Why on earth should my ‘rating’ go down because of a useless ‘team’,its senseless & isn’t a true reflection on a players’ ability!
agile sphinx
So true, why should you get points taken away from you because you lost and only did 1.2k damage, you really should have got at least +50 points for that game 🤦♀️
faint cloak
well
basically,
no,
some players may sit at the back in a bush shooting HE at rocks all game, and then somehow land a HE shot on an borsig, everyone else in the team did 200-iss damage, and this one guy who max rolled for 1200, your suggesting, gets a higher rating boost
restive dawn
Would it be the time to check out the pinned messages?
undone pulsar
@sonic sedge why are you complaining? The t34 has 1600-1700 hp. You didn’t even do your own tanks hp in damage dealt. Why should you not lose points?
sonic sedge
because I scored the highest points on my team!Are you a child? Do you expect the enemy to stand still whilst I shoot them to achieve the ‘hp’ in hits? Or the so called ‘team’ to survive longer than what it did so I can play longer!? I was on nearly 3.5k points in ratings then got nerfed back down,so you make your own mind up on that one....The ratings ‘system’ isn’t a fair reflection of a players ability! It needs dragging into the 21st century!
agile sphinx
If you can't even do your tanks hp in damage then you deserve absolutely nothing. If you lose then you deserve absolutely nothing. If you can't gain points in ratings then you are playing very badly and maybe ratings isn't somewhere you should be. The points system doesn't reward skill accurately but it shouldn't ever reward losing.
restive dawn
How high would u rate youself
sonic sedge
Been playing this since 2015..I know the score on ‘matching’!
agile sphinx
It is a team game, and if you can't do your tanks worth of damage with your team then you don't deserve anything. Even after about 10 battles your team's performance is taken out of the equation because the teams points are balanced the best they can
And you still haven't said how highly you would rate yourself...
sonic sedge
If the so called ‘team’ goes yolo then no its impossible to do your ‘tanks hp’ in points...About time you learn’t that!
restive dawn
How does that have to do with anything? They’re the rushing ones not you
sonic sedge
Exactly
restive dawn
They focus your teammates and u get to farm
restive dawn
How i see ratings are not very differemt from randoms, so farming is not very different
No matter which map just need to find right locations
sonic sedge
maybe you’re thinking of a different game,but if the ‘team’ capitulates like the French did in WW2 then YOU have NO chance...ok
I’m out..
agile sphinx
Funny how he didn't mention how high he expected to get 🤔
Funny how he didn't understand how to farm of distracted targets as well 🤔
Too late for that warning
restive dawn
Too late for my eyes to be saved
agile sphinx
I will need weeks of rehab to recover
neat tree
Your therapist will be glad for the income😁
dire quiver
I’ve looked up his past 30 days and oh boy I can see why he talks like that
next gull
Last time I checked, the average (and median) rating of the player base was around 2800.
One could imagine that a player doing average in random battles would do average in rating battles too (after a significant number of battles, obviously).
agile sphinx
If WG wonders why people don't like playing ratings it's because they are basically the same as normal games. Even when the average rating is 3766 vs 3542 the average battle count is 10k, and that's including one player with 60k games. Without him the average drops to 6k games. There is essentially no difference to random games except you have to wait longer to get into a game and you are rewarded with a camo, and you can't grind modules or crew
next gull
You are saying that because you did not spend enough time in battles with 2700 average rating. I can tell you that there is a huge difference between teams with 2500 average and 4000 average rating. In the former, the role played and the tank played are not related with one another whatsoever. In the latter, when you see a tank you know what the player will do.
ornate spoke
Please make it so rating battles are tech tree tanks only. This would make a lot of sense since all the OP premiums would be unavailable, PRAMO use would be more costly, and you could get data on tech tree tanks only. I've said this before so this is sort of a repost.
warm charm
Rating is a nice way to grind the tank next tier, stop complaining, you even get a cool camo and avatar out of it
haughty spire
agile sphinx
@warm charm Rating is only a nice way to do something you can do easily in normal battles. It should actually be competitive, have good rewards and good player participation instead of being the joke it is now
robust yoke
I like rating battles but .... MM is awful
How come almost 2k difference in rating points?
And ofc perfectly balanced teams
naive bluff
@robust yoke that 2k spread is why rating battles are exactly the same as normal battles. If we could get more than 25 people in the queue maybe it might work as intended. They need to add more enticement to play ratings to make it work right.
robust yoke
I agree there should be more ppl playing but such matchmaking definitely distracts players
I played with high ping and loss and still above all tier 10s
And unfortunately I didn’t calibrate good so I suffer now 🙂
ornate spoke
@robust yoke also u had 2 players of 1000 rating and enemies didn t have
robust yoke
@ornate spoke Exactly. Balance is the perfect word describing MM 😂
next gull
Sounds like you are dreaming of games of 14 clones.
minor meteor
One tip, learn to play and dont judge MM.
wind moonBOT
Zelthane#1905 has been warned.
ornate spoke
How convenient
Also i’d really like to see y’all bring back a single tier ratings season again. Preferably 10
hot zephyr
@undone pulsar CRIES in tog in hp in dmg 😦, i meant your reaction to the dude doing below 1700 hp in the t34
tawdry ingot
I would legit like to see a tier 9 season... that would be great. T9 is the most balanced tier... with some exceptions (cough ATGM cough AMX 30 1er cough)
fallen mortar
even more WT auf Pz IV spam and yes T10 only with only tech tree tanks
ornate spoke
Maybe not only tech tree, but a t9 or t10 only season before spring season, or maybe t10 only spring season 🤷 what are y’alls thoughts
ornate spoke
maybe special avatars for 1st, 2nd and 3rd? or something to make them stand out from everyone else to pushed to 5k?
patent tree
Maybe a 5k camo that actually looks good? 🤡
native marten
maybe set a small restriction like 50%+ overall WR/50%+ WR with 100 battles in tank for ratings because I’m so done with some person being like “woah this m60 is my first tier 10 wow hope I do good in this ratings battle hey guys first tier 10 game btw” uhhhh like why and also the 30% trollers in ratings because seriously why are they even there
bleak crest
That's why it's either one season leagues with promotion and relegation or match player vs player when it comes to rating and ideally the type of tank. The only problem is not enough people play this mode. So the solution would be to attract more people which in turn suggests more desirable and useful prizes. For example even more XP on wins to grind the next tank faster. With enough players things will snowball and maybe ratings will become the main game mode, which it actually should be.
kind owl
i have school, i need to write a book about myself. WHY SChhool. Should i write about wotb
patent tree
Completely unrelated to this channel
ornate spoke
@kind owl make sure to write what is your success in the game.
terse sapphire
@plankton 199#1016 i agree... Like good give 10-20% more credits in ratings
fallen mortar
You already get up to 66% more in diamond league and pls don't, I don't want more 40% trying to grind credits in ranked if you increase something it should be rewards in the upper parts of plat and diamond
ornate spoke
that I can agree, instead change the credit coefficient when winning match or bonus creds for winning
ornate spoke
Y’all should make this year’s ratings spring season different. Eliminate the ones who stick to t7/8. Only T9 or preferably only T10. Should make it more competitive, and sure, maybe it’ll push the guys from 7/8 up but you’ll make it more competitive
next gull
It has already been one tier only. I do not remember that it was the competitive eden that had been promised. Quite the opposite actually.
lean karma
How much credit u earn at 4000 score
late mural
Not much. Can't even see any difference.
lean karma
But at 5000 its 66% extra?
late mural
No. The bonus is much much less, if any. I'd say it's just a lie.
lean karma
Oo
late mural
Anyway the battles are much harder. You can definitely earn more in random battles because you can do more damage.
lean karma
Idk, I just did 3.5k back to back in progetto 45
real cloak
I just play ratings to conserve winrate and grind creds and free xp. You guys are complaining but we should be thanking them for giving us a way to let us play without our winrate dropping.
clever cosmos
What about making ratings tech tree only for tier 8,9,10 that way stops the total noob with only 300 games Joining in a Lowe he got free from a box messing the rating battles up ( i know this happens i drop the Lowe when my highest tier tank was a tier 5 )
real cloak
What stops them from doing that in regular battles? Ratings isnt really that different. You automatically have less people like that because most don’t know how to change the battle type. You do tech tree only and that stops all the credit grinding in ratings
agile sphinx
Ratings shouldn't be a place to grind it should be competitive. If you need to cull half the playerbase from ratings to encourage the people that should be there to actually play it then it's worth it
fallen mortar
its still good for grinding your non prem tanks in diamond can nearly get prem coeff
late mural
Oh no you can't
fallen mortar
its says you can get up to 66% more credits but i dont know the normal coeff of a non prem tank
late mural
That is just a LIE. In practice the bonus is so small that you earn more in random battles.
WG will never get more people to play this mode unless they substantially increase the credit earnings, or other rewards.
real cloak
I’m just tired of hearing people complain. Look at the game when it first started. +2 -2 matchmaking. Stop trashing ratings and start taking advantage of being able to grind without affecting your stats.
agile sphinx
Maybe I want my stats to actually show how well I do and I don't want to protect them... Ratings is a failure, it should be the step between tournaments and normal battles but it is essentially just normal battles. There needs to be a big change but I doubt WG will do anything because it is more for the older part of the playerbase
real cloak
If you want your stats to show how well you do then get out of ratings
You don’t like it, stop playing ratings
agile sphinx
Ratings should be a stat that shows how well I do. I don't play ratings to protect my WR I play it for the rewards. I never play only ratings and so my stats do show how well I do. People that only use it to try and protect their view of themselves are the ones that are making ratings bad because they don't care, and so they are the ones that should get out of rating
worldly anvil
rating battles are great to grind tanks in, without affecting ur stats. especially for those below average tanks
native marten
Don’t get me wrong but I really don’t know how the matchmaking works, but for ratings (or really in general) have slightly better matchmaking, since a lot of the times it’s just a 7-0 one-team-completely-trashed-another-team match, and some other times sure both teams have 2 heavies but one team has 2 autoloaders while the other team has 2 superheavies so like it just completely makes some routes unviable because you can’t hold the flank or whatever
next gull
Rating (EU) as a function of WR for some players checked on Blitzstars at this date. The mean rating is 2811 (whole player base). The wr associated is 46.4% (small sample though for this).
undone pulsar
Below average in both categories. Interesting
next gull
Maybe the good players have not undergone their calibration yet... or maybe a stigmate of Christams vacation + event.
Yes, well below the usual average.
balmy hollow
i'd like to see avg rating For ppl who play wz 120-1 ft
dire quiver
It’s over 9000
fallen mortar
get to 4,6k rating and your teammates will get better xD
amber fable
lol
pine falcon
tbh in the battle you showed, you didn't do well either
exotic seal
There are instances where you can get horrible teams @amber fable
scarlet fox
@amber fable screenshots like this are considere naming and shaming on this server, so please blur out the player names or remove the screenshot, thank you
normal garnet
I’ve started trusting my teamates way more when I play the IS4, pushing very hard and spotting, capping, taking all of the hits. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t. I’ve won 13 in a row doing this.
hexed solstice
^ This is what we call luck
hollow crater
WG should BAN new add tanks from rating battle till next update.
WG can't balance to new tank and they always nerf new tanks recent update.
Rating is just P2W game now. rating good not equal good player. it's just pay money to WG players game.
BORING.
i decide I'll do not pay any money for this boring game
normal garnet
@hexed solstice my team had so much luck idk how I even won half of those battles
tawny shell
How on earth do you trust any teammates, half the time i look away from my full health teammate going after a one shot, I turn around and there’s just a smoking corpse left over and that one shot Jg E100 is staring at me.
amber fable
lol after that i kinda changed my tank to lowe and i got more exp from how to use the tank and more now i have reached up to 3700 rating lol its all about how u talk to your teamates and react to them
native marten
how to react to teammate’s message: turn off chat
how to chat: you don’t
how to win: hope they use half a brain, otherwise just use their HP to farm damage
minor meteor
Learn to play first :)
spiral viper
Anyone want to platoon for rating battles when it starts? I run the tier 8 Löwe tank
fleet sinew
Please recalibrate rating battles. I get most of the time player with 2500 rating in my team at tier X. My rating is higher. Also recalibrate that I do 3500 dmg and lose game - 15 points less, and a spawn camper with 1500 dmg and 3 kills only loose 6 points.
native marten
Honestly the calibration battles are way RNG dependent lmao sometimes I can get straight into 3.9k ratings and sometimes I start off at like barely 3k
fallen mortar
@spiral viper guess what ratings doesnt support toons
bleak crest
Rating is a mess at the moment. People rush to spam battles, die in the first minute then spam again. Obviously they don’t use any consumables and farm credits in this way. Always exploiting the game and messing with others.
ornate spoke
Tier X only rating season.
cosmic cypress
Sounds good
normal garnet
@tawny shell I’ve been getting clans I’m familiar with so I do my best
native marten
Set restrictions on teammates, like c’mon, I’d rather wait 5 minutes for a quality game than 1 minute just so I can be paired up with a bunch of 43%ers that can’t tell the medium flank from the heavy flank
Something like a 50% WR with like over 100 battles or something
Also, I feel like that would really help solve the problem with one team totally dumpstering another team, ratings is always like 7-0 or 7-1 or 7-2 when the match ends
median scaffold
ratings is too easy
tawny shell
Notice the [PURPL]
But yes I wouldn’t say that ratings are super hard.
doing well in ratings is often more about commitment.
normal garnet
Anyone can farm damage
median scaffold
@tawny shell lol noitice the [Purpl] XD
tawny shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ornate spoke
we don't need premium tanks in ratings. almost all the over powered, completely meta abusing tanks are premium so why do u guys allow premium tanks. the whole purpose of rating it to show a person's individual and team communication skill but what the hell is the point in that when I can drive a tier 8 WZ premium tank destroyer and slaughter everyone and their extended family like it was nothing?! (we don't need to talk about the smasher or all the premium tanks that are better than their tech tree counterparts either)
median scaffold
oof
fallen mortar
Tbf I get above 4k teams most of the time since I got around 4600
pearl slate
@ornate spoke that would defeat the overwhelming eagerness to finally be good at the game. They can simply purchase the skill they are looking for. It's a monetary thing. Aka it's a wg thing
rancid plover
How many players play Rating Battles in average? (Server)
next gull
EU, something like 60k calibrated this season.
ornate spoke
ratings is just use ur teammates, dont bleed, steal kills, cap bases, farm
do that and ur rating will fly, and it doesnt exactly take a unicum for that
silent plover
But that takes some time depending on ur calibrating points
terse timber
Just play at certain times of the day where teams are decent and dont focus on winning
next gull
@ornate spoke you are not suggesting that wotb might be a team game, are you ?
ornate spoke
in ratings? sure, play with team to win, but if you knew a bit abt ratings you’d know what i mran
@next gull
next gull
@Supreme, the irony was not obvious in my message ?
bleak crest
It’s obvious that with the current reward system rating doesn’t emphasize team work at all. As I’ve written before, players will exploit everything with no concern about the overall gaming experience.
lime sparrow
For me, I just feel that there aren’t enough people on (I’m NA so maybe that’s why?)
median scaffold
Got to 5,110
ornate spoke
Got to 5 725 :v
kind owl
Nice
median scaffold
Ofc @ornate spoke try hard XD
ornate spoke
I shouldnt be first tbh @median scaffold
sonic sedge
yeah I agree,there seems to be more noobs playing ratings than normal battles,so it makes ratings battles a bit of a joke really..Like you’re pushing the help button or arrows indicating which way to go & half the team without ANY indication are going the opposite direction,and then the lower tier players that should be supporting the higher tiers rush off to their quick demise!
Ratings definitely needs re-working,as I’ve mentioned a long time ago,should perhaps only be played by players that have played over 5000 battles or maybe just inclusive of tier 10 tanks again but make the rewards more worthwhile.
Or make the ratings for individual players on a larger map so we’re all fighting each other but also have a re-spawn so many times in the same battle if your tank is destroyed so you can keep playing & then the players with the most damage/least hits on their tank get the higher rewards on a descending scale. Maybe exclude tank destroyers from it too,just to make it fairer,because at the moment ratings battles are pretty rubbish & not even everyone types in english so making it even more useless!
fleet fog
Bring back ratings platoons for 1 ratings period lel
normal garnet
no, ratings toons shouldnt be allowed because you have to earn ur rating, not have ur toon mate do all the work
ornate spoke
^
ornate spoke
I think ratings batle should become open also for lower tier like tier 2 rating , tier 3 rating etc some techtree units performe badly but are needed to reach for good units
And each techtree has its weaker and stronger pieks
If all tiers are rated the overal is more precise to rate an average for the player
Also I think the lower players gain more knowledge of the game this way.
Guess the larger map for rated battles could give sniping more use , also makes room for much more ambushes and provocate more agressieve gameplay
pine falcon
Wait ... wait ... wait... you want rating for tier tier 2 and 3? That has got to be one one the biggest jokes on here. Let me put it this way: rating is supposed to be competitive. In low tiers there NO competition whatsoever because players are noobs. Having rating at low tiers defeats the whole purpose of rating. Think before you type.... god
next gull
You forgot the mention to larger maps to make more use of snipping.
pine falcon
@next gull I stopped reading his nonsense mid post. Didn't want to lose more brain cells. He just wants to camp, even though the game is literally only camping.
fallen mortar
One of the things he mentioned I find quite interesting larger maps I would appreciate as an experiment for ranked to see how it'll workout
pine falcon
@fallen mortar if its only for rating, it won't work. Noobs will come from normal battle and will be confused where to go and what to do. They simply will not be able to adapt and will quit rating. And bam - rating playerbase becomes smaller
sonic sedge
Well noobs will hopefully stay away if they can’t battle on certain maps so opening the game up for the better players that want something thats more of an intelligent challenge than just the players using it to just try & gain more credits! As I wrote above,lets have no 7 players a side but each for their own with no td’s,a larger map & re-spawn a few times throughout the battle. The players that have the most points & least deaths or hits during the battle then their rating goes up on a descending scale.
Bit like gladiators in a ring...
pine falcon
@sonic sedge bruh. Just checked your rating status. This season you calibrated at 3533 and now your rating is 3245. You have played 458 battles this season and have won 215 of them. That is bellow 50%. If you can't manage to get at least to 4k in the current way rating battles are, then you aren't suited for rating. You will just perform worse if its a battle royale .... as there will be 3-4 enemies ganging up on you at the same time with no support.
Calculated you wr is almost exactly 47%
sonic sedge
Usual childish comment! It’s also ‘below’ not ‘bellow’! It’s a TEAM game as you seem to forget..& the winrate is appx 50% and I’m a seasoned player that’s been here since the beginning of 2015.
pine falcon
So if you come and go, why not leave the rest of us, who play the game regularly and competitively to decide what the game needs? Second, you previously said "each for their own " now you are saying "It’s a TEAM game". Make up your mind already or are your two brain cells fighting one another right now.
And he left the chat. Classic.
compact mural
@pine falcon has some really good points tbh
sonic sedge
err no I played a game..It’s a team game yes,but it wouldn’t be if they implemented my idea of ratings..but the so called ‘teams’ are randomly picked for you!
pine falcon
Blitz is advertised and presented as a team game and it will remain that way. Period. If they introduce you idea it will be a separate game mode like Uprising.
sonic sedge
Actually ‘my’ win rate is around 51% so not the 47% that you childishly came up with! As for your derogatory comment you came up with about ‘two braincells’ you actually can’t even spell!
This thread is about ratings battles,not wether someone should or should not actually play ratings! You need to grow up somewhat instead of telling people to leave this thread or this that & the other..
pine falcon
@sonic sedge your rating wr is 47%
sonic sedge
🙄👋
pine falcon
You have played 458 battles this season and have won 215 of them. Just check your profile mate.
One of us here is a moron and the other is trying to educate. And I know I am not the moron
Also you have 70 000+ battles which makes me think you are the one with the free time. That means either you are unemployed or are a kid in school
Also I just looked at your message history. You can't get above 3700 and you think that is HIGH!!!! XD
I rest my case and I am done with this troll
late mural
51% player (in randoms) can't expect to get into platinum no matter how many battles he spams.
sonic sedge
As I mentioned,ratings battles are dysfunctional,why should my rating not go up as high as the winning players did when I actually got the highest score whilst fighting three enemy tanks more or less on my own just because the team of players I got put with decided to lose!?This isn’t the first time it’s happened either..So it’s about time the points system was overhauled to make it more fair!
late mural
wtf are you complaining?? you gained points in that example. LOSING TEAM DESERVES TO LOSE POINTS.
sonic sedge
Read what I wrote..
So it’s not ‘my’ rating then is it! It’s based on the random team I got stuck with!
late mural
When you play in a team whose avg rating is below yours, YOU are supposed to carry the team. You were just not good enough there, and should be glad for gaining points at all.
sonic sedge
‘Not good enough’..You’re a joke,I got THE highest score out of BOTH random teams!
late mural
No, you are the joker. And a whiner.
sonic sedge
You must just be a troll or a child then..
Also you don’t know what others ratings are ‘til the end of the battle,so just keep typing useless nonsense!
pine falcon
@late mural ayyy. you reached my conclusion. The dude (stevo) is a troll who doesn't know how to play.
@sonic sedge earlier you said you wanted the gamemode to be changed to like a battle royale thingy " Bit like gladiators in a ring...". Now you say "So it’s about time the points system!". MAKE UP YOUR MIND
You are contradicting yourself and you don't realize it. That happens for the second time today.
next gull
@sonic sedge I tend to think that after enough games, wr and rating converge towards the same relative measure of your performance. Check your ranking associated with your rating on WG website. Am I that wrong ?
sonic sedge
@next gull Yes,check the screen shot of the battle above,by rights my rating should have gone up in equal measure to the players on the winning team as I also got the highest score out of both teams,the fact it didn’t because of the points scoring system then ratings battles needs an overhaul.
My points didn’t go up because the random team I was selected to be a part of weren’t that good! I have over 100 kolobov medals,mostly earned before supremacy was a thing,I can hold my own in battles & try & help us win!
late mural
Your stats reveal you are just an average player who overstimates his capabilities.
Too bad!
ornate spoke
Ratings should be exclusively tier X. Just my 2 cents
next gull
@sonic sedge did it never happen that you did 400 dmg and still got positive rating because you were in the winning team ?
In the end it evens out.
Concerning you screenshot, your rating did increase.
wind moonBOT
Beast_6619#3344 has been warned.
sonic sedge
Spartacus,my thoughts too,perhaps with no td’s either,would make it a bit more interesting with no fear of being sniped from cover where you cannot see them. Or even a free for all and the players have the same tanks.Now that would be fun..
ornate spoke
@sonic sedge im sry but you dont seem to know what you’re talking about
normal garnet
Yeah I don’t even think he understand what this game is about
native marten
idk what you mean by no TDs, I mean sure sometimes they camp but they’re vital in holding positions and stuff
and about like the ratings thing, calibrations are a loose definition of how well you play, 10 battles isn’t really enough to totally say your skill level but say you’ve got 100 ratings battles and you’re hard stuck at 3.5k ratings that’s because you’re a 3.5k player, not just because your teams are bad
jagged dirge
@sonic sedge I agree could you explain further for me, I think you can enlighten us with your perspective on the game
sonic sedge
I already have,read up..by the way I’ve been a few points off a 4k rating before now but then got stuck with bad players & rapidly went back down the ratings again,now my play style didn’t suddenly change,something else did that was out of my control!
brisk frigate
if it was "out of my control" then you clearly can't carry your team hard enough, which explains your losses
ornate spoke
Ratings have nothing to do with skill it's just spamming games just matters how much time you want to put into it
next gull
Whereas WR....
Can you explain ? You mean that you need a large number of battles to have a rating (wr) representative of you game level ?
fallen mortar
Getting to plat is ez what is he whining about I mean I calibrated there on one of my accs 😂 and if you can't reach plat you are actually really bad 😂
You know the thing is your teams and enemy's get better the higher you get that's why you're loosing because you meet better enemy players
glacial junco
@ornate spoke not necessarily- some people need nearly a thousand battles to get into diamond, some below hundred. For me personally it took 180 games, so I’d say that it does depend from skill
fallen mortar
One fact is calibration if you have some luck there you won't need to grind as much even if I do 3k avg in the 10 Cali matches but loose more than half Id get around 3,7 or 3,8k but if you win all 10 doing 2k you get above 4k with ease
ornate spoke
@spiral bolt in English please
spiral bolt
when will the rating end
ornate spoke
The season on the last day always ends early, instead of the usual 11 pm est, is there a set time when it ends?
native marten
@fallen mortar lmao I got into 3.9k calibration last season from one first class and 6 wins
paper jacinth
@patent pier is there any plan to change the way rating points are awarded? right now is just a contest to see who plays more games. Just spam games at 40% to 50% wr and you will keep going up. I don't think is a good system when you see 40% players with 4500 rating points. Of course they perform like 40% players, yet spam battles and keep going up in the ranking.
ok, my latest battle: a 62a did 200 dmg and got +5 rating points, a e50m did 2.2k dmg and got -11 points. Can't this be adjusted? or is it intentional so that bad players just spam battles? @patent pier
late mural
That's just bs. 40% players don't get up to 4500 points. In fact there is a clear correlation between WR and rating, as has been pointed out on this channel many times.
Rating points work quite ok. The lack of players is the problem. Better rewards needed!
pine falcon
@late mural I've seen a 44% er at 5k a few updates ago. Never say never
oak copper
when exactly wil de new rating season start?
fallen mortar
It's not that clear but for example 40%ers don't climb the rating ladder at T10 they do at T7 and 8 because it's way easier to get points there if you battle spam there with let's say low 50% wr you get up to that points even with 46% or something but it takes time
steady valley
Last season ratings ended early the last day, was 7:00pm cst
tribal lynx
Hey someone know when we get our gifts from saison avatar and camos ?
spring thunder
I didn’t got my platinum league camo with my RU 251 : WG. But, I got my camos with the obj 252U and with the Maus (played 50+ games with three of them)
mellow aspen
I got into the platinum and I have the avatar but where is my camo? plz respond ping me
spring thunder
@mellow aspen in your camos section the will be one waiting for you already unlocked
mellow aspen
just one?
mellow aspen
or is for all your tanks? becuase i won most of my is3-defender...
spring thunder
No is3 defender don’t have camos
mellow aspen
@spring thunder thanks I will got play rating with anthor tank will it show up when i pass the most?
spring thunder
Yes. For example, with a Lowe, ull have the camo
median scaffold
5k camo on stb-1 is Eh
worldly anvil
diamond looks nice on waffle
wraith ermine
Rating now is like a clown battle. Many doughnuts in it.
fleet sinew
I mean many players are grinding new tanklines there. This breaking the idea of rating battles.
smoky jacinth
Ratings battles is where WG should be heading to improve mm. Ratings reset after a month so no incentive not to use ratings battles to grind out upgrading new tanks. Fix that and add better rewards for rating battles and you’d have a big problem with wotb fixed.
tired vault
1st place is 3k gold right? Why spend countless hours a month for a garbage prize like that?
wary smelt
It's more about the title
tired vault
What title? Lol. There’s no respect for winning rating
near pewter
@tired vault I would disagree with you there
pine falcon
@near pewter literally no one cares who finishes top 1 as they will be forgotten. The players that are remembered are the ones you meet like 8-9 battles in a row.
near pewter
@pine falcon To tell the truth I don’t know who won last season. I’m sure there’s some self satisfaction involved with it though
The prize probably should be higher
pine falcon
Well there probably is some satisfaction but ... but who cares is the point. Two of my clan mates pushed for spots first and second place a long ago in rating (before I was actually in the clan) and actually did finish first and second but does anyone remember them. I know they have that moment sealed in their heads, but no one else gives a crap.
But yes, rating rewards for being top 10 are too low. You go through moron teams, rage, huge time-losses in queue and most importantly you need to go through win-loss loops for an entire month. Sounds like a damn lot of trouble for just a little bit of gold.
ornate spoke
U forgot rating gives you a free camo! That's like worth the entire thing!
fallen mortar
At least give a special avatar thing for like top 3 that's stays permanent
next gull
Or a camo that changes the name of the tank ?
agile sphinx
I would say give a camo that is either gold, silver or bronze version of a new camo to the top 3 players on their most played tanks that changes the name of the tank to something like "Maus 1st Jan 20" or "Jpanther II 3rd Aug 19" to make winners have something recognisable, unique and specific. It would increase the amount of amazing players going for the top spots but ratings needs more good players just playing for 5k or 4k
molten whale
Yea give the top players something exclusively for them
Like the professional tournament winners get the orange and blue professional camo (altho some may argue thats not as exclusive anymore)
sonic sedge
So there are now better rewards for the top 10 players,but the part about ‘the better you perform in battle,the more rating points you will receive’, is wrong,because you can score the most on your team & if your ‘team’ is useless & lose you WILL lose points so that is a lie! Unless they have changed the points scoring system,which I hope they have...
sacred temple
Are countdowns in ratings allowed? Reason i wanna do countdowns with my clanmates is because it fills the queue and we can actually play ratings instead of waiting 1hr for a match in Asia. Tag me with the correct response.
fallen mortar
@sonic sedge we already discussed that and our result was that you are just quite bad because even 40%ers make it to 4k and above, its not your team
sonic sedge
@fallen mortar ‘we’ didn’t discuss that at all,you just gave your unworthy opinion!
fallen mortar
all i can say to that is we certainly did that and i made it to above 4k unlike you xD
sonic sedge
‘We’ didn’t discuss it at all,which makes you a liar! As I mentioned,you just gave your unworthy opinion! Just finished school have you? 😂😂
molten whale
Clearly he is the one who just finished school
fallen mortar
well i consider we as R_Sevik and Rynnivia from last week where you complained that you get soooooooo bad teams that you cant reach the 4k mark and whenever you get close to it your teams get even worse and that even a Pro like you cant even get there but some random 40% somehow gets there (be careful ive used some sarcasm there and some exaggeration)
versed ledge
Please remain respectful of each other’s opinions, don’t trash each other.
fallen mortar
ok understood but it was often said that this isnt a channel to complain about how bad your teammates are
wraith ermine
@fallen mortar you can't carry every battles. Most win is bcs the team. The problems is many 40%ers wr in rating now. Winning is more harder now cause of them even we do effective gameplay
fallen mortar
and still it isnt hard to get to 4k rating at all and everyone that complains that reaching 4k is to hard and wants as much points as the enemy even if the battles is lost isnt a good player sry to so direct but it is like that
wraith ermine
I had 4k ratings back then, now it just hard
@fallen mortar its normal if losing. But it is a problem when most greens do damages below 1k in tier 9 or 10.
fallen mortar
my opinion is still getting 4k is easy and 5k isnt much harder but more time consuming since you get less points the higher you get and still it usually takes me less than 200 battles to get there if id want to
cosmic cypress
if you got the time
next gull
Can we assume that the red do not complain as much about their teams.
sage verge
maybe rating could be a best of 5 maps or smthing and only wins matter
heady patrol
Maybe better camo ?? So that is shows that yes this player is plat or diamond give him a nice flex camo
fallen mortar
You can't flex with plat since diamond exists
glossy raptor
True
vague crag
That hurts
ornate spoke
WG should honestly nerf the Gold again, but give us premium or collector tanks for the top 1 or 2 players as the prize.
fallen mortar
Here have some T4 collector tank instead of your 5k gold 😂
ornate spoke
The DIAMOND camo is ugly
ornate spoke
Mhhhh bruh
last bison
Wasn't plat league supposed to get a camo?
worldly anvil
25 min i dont think thats legit ;v
sage verge
Ratings just a grind
lean karma
@last bison you only get a camo if you play the tank for 50 battles in ratings
crimson goblet
i cali'd at 4.1 with 2 losses
and thats not eu, and neither is he in the yt rbc competition so i dont mind tbh
warped ferry
maybe give rockets for godzilla what do u think its balanced imo...
quaint egret
I hate the way rating counts , u can do 3 or 4 k dam and still go minus 30👹
pine falcon
if you camp, then yes
sonic sedge
yep,the way you earn ratings points STILL needs changing,why should I get minus points when scoring the most points on my ‘team’ when someone on the winning ‘team’ scores less than me & their points go up! Totally unfair system!
fallen mortar
because you LOST
its already easy to reach plat and diamond is just a bit of grinding more for a victory at T8 in gold i often get around 60+ point which is insane
pine falcon
@fallen mortar he has been spamming the message over and over in the chat. he is a troll
I guess that's the nice way of saying it
fallen mortar
do you think its warnable and that i should remove it @pine falcon ?
pine falcon
Idk. You never know with these mods. Some people warn, some just delete the message, others mute for 7 days
fallen mortar
yep its wierd sometimes you are even allowed to directly insult someone and nobody cares
native marten
if you just want a high rating just go in good tier 7 (if that’s still a thing rn) around 10-15 days into ratings and then spam the crap outta battles and if you’re half decent you can just calibrate into low 4k and start from there (and why not the beginning? right at the beginning you’ll either be playing with total unicums or guys who can’t manage 2k rating from calibration, around 15 days in or so the unicums will already be way above and the people hardstuck 2k will just be there)
-coming from somebody who did this and got into 4k in about 15 battles including calibration
sonic sedge
You could say Suicide_Project ( terrible pseudonym by the way) has been spamming or trolling the chat too..All I’m saying, & I’m not the only one is that the points scoring system needs changing,it is after all ‘your’ rating & not of the yolo ‘team’ you’re put into battle with..and no ‘I’ didn’t lose,the other players did..
fallen mortar
yeah im a troll... i trolled my way up to 68% wr and just because the most people in ranked are low 50% to 40%ers and cry about not getting enough points it doesnt mean they are right... imma try and do my calbration tomorrow lets see if i instantly reach plat
sonic sedge
Did my best but ‘my’ rating still goes down despite getting the second highest score out of all 14 players! This is my very valid point!
cosmic cypress
2k in a tier 9 loss shouldn’t gain you points
sonic sedge
Check the scores of all players!
cosmic cypress
Just because the rest did bad doesn’t mean your rating should go up. You have to play well not in relation to the battle but to overall average performances
sonic sedge
Scoring less than me got someone a +34
cosmic cypress
Because they won
sonic sedge
No ‘they’ didn’t beat me,just the random team overall did!
agile sphinx
@sonic sedge You really need to stop complaining. If you lose you should never win points because you clearly didn't do enough. If you win you should always gain points because you did do enough. In a perfect system everyone would gain the same amount of points for a win or a lose, so it would be your WR that matters the most. Unfortunately to separate players into the top 10 for example you would need a lot more battles than people play so it wouldn't work. You are correct, the system does need changing but it should be changed so you never gain points on a loss and you lose more points per loss. If you can't carry your team then you shouldn't be rewarded at all. Anyone can sit at spawn and get 3 or 4 shots in and pretend they were useful but all good players know that you would have been useless.
cyan crag
Oof
sonic sedge
Yes I can see your point...to start the enemy team were over 200 collective ratings points ahead & I was playing a tier 7 this time I couldn’t quite carry the ‘team’ anymore! So yes ‘I’ really lost didn’t I!?
pine falcon
And once again our hero stevo1100r is showing only his OK-ish battles and isn't showing battles where he did bellow 1k or finished second to bottom damage.
(and I know you get plenty of those)
restive dawn
Time to read the pinned messages again
cyan crag
🍿
agile sphinx
Ok-ish is pretty generous, and you know that during calibration the matchmaker includes a rough value of a players rating before they have completed calibration, so because there were 5 uncalibrated players 200 points is very little
crimson goblet
end result for 1st day
fallen mortar
3very must be cheating since not even stevo is able of reaching 4k 😂
ornate spoke
@fallen mortar if stevo isn t able, no one is
glossy raptor
Stevo is the master
fallen mortar
Hail the stevo
drifting cedar
One way to make raiting better is to remove mines from it
crimson goblet
u underestimating my powa
next gull
Changing the way rating points are attributed would just change the value obtained by the players at the end of the season, but not their ranking imo. Hence the perception we have concerning values. Maybe, then, 3500 would be something. So WG would change the thresholds of the leagues which, I suspect, are linked to percentage of ranking and not values.
Rinse and repeat...
next gull
Other thought is that acing a tank, still losing, and losing rating points while an afk in the winning team earns rating point would be a bad message.
But this is just an opinion.
drifting cedar
And wg needs to do something to people who afk in raiting the point system in my opinion is fine
wind moonBOT
CmdrFUUU[VIBES][EU]#9460 has been warned.
cosmic cypress
You guys really have made a meme here lol
patent tree
Only 3.9k? 😳
crimson goblet
ofc,i only lost 2 games and ended at 4.1
patent tree
:(
tired vault
@ornate spoke How many game you played?
fervent steppe
They removed my comment bc of real talk 😂😂😂😂😂💩
I said that the ratings system is bad because it does not reward winning or helping the team to win. It rewards how much you abuse your team to farm damage as the obly thing that decides how many points you go up or down is if you win or lose (which you cannot influence 100%) and how much base xp you get. The safest way for high base xp is dealing damage by using your teammates as meat shields and scouts
fallen mortar
They removed it because of something else that's been said often
fervent steppe
Lets see if this one gets removed as well xD
tired vault
@ornate spoke 9/10 gave me 3.9k..
versed ledge
@fervent steppe your previous comment was deleted because it contained cursing, we don’t delete messages if you post something critical of WG. Just keep it respectful and within the rules.
fervent steppe
Hmm. I didnt meant to insult anyone. Was it because i wrote ****** (i typed that it has not been censored)?
Anyways. I‘d love to see a change to ratings battles or to be more precise: The reward system of rating battles.
crimson goblet
thanks
it took me like 40mins now to get from 4999 down again and then back to 4998 and then finally win to get across 5k
warm charm
Bruh calibration is so broken,it’s 100% how bad ur teams are
restive dawn
Nah
cold hare
Isn’t this game just “100% how bad ur teams are” lol. Great climate for aces
half crow
Do you still need to play 50 games in a tier to get the camo? I haven’t played ratings in forever, and the monthly mail on the subject lacks that information
crimson goblet
yes, 50 games in a tier, most played tank of that tier gets the camo @half crow
half crow
Thanks
cosmic cypress
F
terse hollow
EZ
reef patrol
Congrats?
verbal ether
Selecting battle type is barely working. Extremely slow to select.
half loom
Ikk
bleak crest
I can’t switch modes but it’s a nice way to get more people in the rating queue
next gull
You are basically stuck in the one you were in. I can only play regular.
native coyote
completly my fault for losing , that's why i lose rating
and you get more points than this if you win and do 0 dmg
native coyote
on
spice thicket
Ahh you can’t switch between modes??? So you are stuck at the mode you left the game in yesterday.
native coyote
maybe
spice thicket
Fix this please
crimson goblet
@spice thicket @bleak crest just mash the button until it switches,that works
spice thicket
@crimson goblet thx, it's working now.
crimson goblet
yw
surreal steeple
It happened to me also . Im tapping until it gets to realistic but still i cant play it .
fallen mortar
@crimson goblet tried that yesterday for like 10min but didn't work
crimson goblet
@patent pier can it be so that Tracks dont count as a needed module to be playing ratings?
closing in on 9mins queue,now,anyone wanna place their bets?
fallen mortar
my game must be broken i calibrated over 4k and we all know that not even the god stevo made it to 4k
and that in a T7 tech tree tank
next gull
That makes no sense to me this calibration. I always assumed that you started from the average (around 2800) for your initial rating.
That would mean that you got 160 rating points per game (average) during your calibration.
Even if WG assumes that the average should be 3k, that's a lot of rating points per game.
Anyone having a clue ?
warm charm
Yea in calibration ur rating changes around 3x more than outside calibration. Using 3k as the starting rating, that’s 140 rating points, so around 45 rating increase if it was a regular rating battle. I have noticed that this season there has been more fluctuation, I gain a lot more than I used to, but lose around the same amount as I used to.
fallen mortar
yeah well i certainly did 2k+ at T7 beeing lowtier in all games so even more points for meee
crimson goblet
what is all that stevo nonsense about? never heard of him before :c
next gull
Ok, I did not know about this x3 factor.
fallen mortar
@crimson goblet he is someone complaining about the point system and his bad teammates but himself cant reach 4k he wants to get as much points as the winning team just because he does the most dmg out of his team and one snetence of him was "they didnt defeat me they defeated my useless team" and well appearently he died in that match
vocal totem
Dang I'm always getting 3.5k never seen one over 4k after calibration is completed.
warm berry
vocal totem
153
warm berry
How did the jpanther get 153 points? I did 1k ish more dmg. I had only 500 ish spotting dmg. He had no assisted dmg. What am i missing?
vocal totem
It would've been funnier if your damage was over 5k.
cosmic cypress
Yeah that doesn’t make much sense
warm charm
He was just out of calibration, cali has around 3x more point fluctuation (from what I see), so really he got around 50 points, which would make sense if he was a bit aggressive and spotted/tracked, and he’s lower tier
quartz aspen
Professionals playing
warm berry
@warm charm copy
fallen mortar
@warm berry it's his last battle of calibration
next gull
Btw, the RBC seems to me to be a nice way to advertise rating battles.
fallen mortar
Yep they finally made something useful at least to motivate the streamers and ytbers
crimson goblet
i think rbc's main reason is to give attention to ratings
agile sphinx
It's obviously a PR stunt to try and get more people into ratings without actually changing anything. It's a step in the right direction for sure but the new people brought in by the streams won't keep playing ratings if it stays how it is now
next gull
Once you are hooked...
or maybe not.
crimson goblet
when it just works...
crimson goblet
i think i better end it for today before messing up
sonic sedge
clear rule breaking from a player from LOCA during ratings battles...I expected better really! UN1QUM
fallen mortar
Cry if you camp in a med I'd to the same and that clearly shows why you can't reach 4k
sonic sedge
camp? It was the end of the game...derr
fallen mortar
@crimson goblet that's stevo 😂
sonic sedge
check the rule breaking
fallen mortar
And why are you there at the End of the game? You know what's a rule of the server don't name and shame so there is a rule break in your post
crimson goblet
"rule breaking"as if that would have changed anything 😂
sonic sedge
Everyone will know...
fallen mortar
And nobody will care
crimson goblet
dude,1v6 in ratings with 400hp, no way you would've won that,not even i can do that
fallen mortar
The only thing we know is that loca is a good clan and if they flame they have some kind of reason 😂😂😂
sonic sedge
Nope,but one of them had very little hit points..I was waiting after a team of rushers died
fallen mortar
Why didn't you push with them like a team-mate 😂
sonic sedge
You weren’t there
crimson goblet
well from 2 screenshots we cant do more than assuming can we xD
fallen mortar
They all pushed on one side the only one camping was you
sonic sedge
Its still rule breaking,look at how many of the enemy were still there 🤦♂️
Go figure
crimson goblet
what rule did it break?name me said rule please
fallen mortar
@crimson goblet now you know why I'm memeing him 😂
@crimson goblet on WoT PC at least it's a rule that you are not allowed to share the position of your teammates 😅
crimson goblet
well,you cant compare pc and blitz,all they share is company and similar tanks
fallen mortar
I know so I don't know of its a rule for Blitz aswell it just makes the game shorter in his case and I would've done the same
rancid moss
why are u in the map corner in the first place lulw
sonic sedge
You think I was there all battle? It’s rule breaking on WoTBlitz too to give away team positions!
crimson goblet
what rule is it,name the exact rule and i will look it up
sonic sedge
Check the rules
crimson goblet
i want you to name me the exact rule
sonic sedge
Mini map spam maybe,you should be aware if you’re playing this game/app.
crimson goblet
i wont go through the rules just for this unreasonable argument that is pointless in any way
sonic sedge
You signed up to them..
tight harness
😂 😂
hollow night
@crimson goblet Stop being obnoxious.
sonic sedge
Zero tolerance on rule breaking here,screen shots readily supplied to support!
crimson goblet
thanks, someone that actually listens
sonic sedge
Thanks positive
hollow night
@crimson goblet You shouldn't have requested that. Everyone knows that's a violation of the rules, and you're being unnecessarily pedantic
crimson goblet
even so, this doesnt belong here @sonic sedge, what do you think we have a player support for?
tight harness
This is gooood🍿
sonic sedge
Yep,for those that don’t know the rules 🍻
tight harness
Im one of them
sonic sedge
You need to read up on them then
tight harness
Nope
sonic sedge
Good luck
hollow night
Everyone here who came out in support of the jerk who broke the rules is just shaming themselves here.
crimson goblet
im not defending him, its just not the place for it
sonic sedge
Yep,totally unreasonable
tardy lotus
XD
tight harness
I didnt come to support anyone , u should read the messages again before starting to insult people
Ban incoming
sonic sedge
Well some players need to be careful of what they type in the battles & be aware of the rules...No arguing with photographic evidence!
rancid moss
😅
tardy lotus
@tight harness go
sonic sedge
👍
agile sphinx
@sonic sedge There is a specific place to report things and here is not that place. It is also naming and shaming which quite ironically breaks the rules of this server...
tight harness
Outplayed
crimson goblet
*insert outstanding move meme here*
rancid moss
overIQed
sonic sedge
@agile sphinx oh the irony Colin 😂😂
fallen mortar
@agile sphinx I said exactly the same 😂
Rule breaking the thing pretty much nobody cares about there are so many insults every day that don't get reported even tho they are against the rules so many afks and bots that should be reported but most people just don't do that because it wouldn't change anything
untold summit
Algún colombiano?
tawdry ingot
I would appreciate it if there was a system where you get a temporary ban (say 10 minutes) from Ratings if you get a verified downvote in ratings.
@hollow night about your earlier statement.... does it count if you are telling the red team where your teammate isn’t and getting a draw? 😂
crimson goblet
well,if he isnt where you say he is then you basically lied, so it should not break the rules
native coyote
Best team you could ever have in ratings ?
ornate spoke
nice)
pseudo heart
question for you experts
can you get the ratings camo on more than one tank, or is it always just 1 tank?
agile sphinx
You can get it on one tank per tier as long as you have more than 50 battles at that tier @pseudo heart
pseudo heart
thank you =)
spice thicket
Is wg aware of this? Looks fine on some tanks and not on others...
native marten
Lmao I got put into low 3k this season but I’m focusing on some other games so sorta doubt I’ll grind this time
quartz aspen
I wish I could just get into battle now lol. Been here 7+ minutes waiting.
quartz aspen
Ended here
crimson goblet
nothing diffrent in eu, if there is no over +5k on i usually wait +20mins
fallen mortar
This high in rating you can probably fill a full team with your own clan when counting in 😂 just let them be above 4.5k
pine falcon
What were the credit boosts for platinum and diamond league?
fallen mortar
diamond was up to 66% i think
crimson goblet
yea
quartz aspen
66%+ for diamond. 33-65 for platinum I believe
minor zealot
Does anyone else wish WG would add platoon to rating battles?
restive dawn
I see you didnt play ratings when it was possible to toon in ratings
minor zealot
@restive dawn Oh I didn't know that was a thing? How come we can't do it now?
pine falcon
Just think for a minute why the feature was removed. If you can't do that then here - Rating is supposed to be a personal thing.
ornate spoke
wait there are realistic battle tournaments?
quartz aspen
If two of the top players started tooning in ratings, they would probably win about 65%+ games in ratings. Ratings shouldn’t be like that, so it’s good they took that out
molten whale
I think rigging was the reason platoons were removed
hollow crater
I will never play rating in tierX, I swear it.😇
past shell
Hi
quartz aspen
Yo WG why can’t I get in battle for ratings? I see that other players keep getting in battle when I watch the player count in que. I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 15 MINUTES
crimson goblet
wow 15 mins,poor soul,i waited for 30 before
quartz aspen
Dang. Why would you stick around that long?
fallen mortar
30min is long but the longest times ive seen are a few hours
gusty gust
Missile tanks and premiums should be removed from ratings
bleak crest
No missile tank problem @short snow ?
warm charm
Everybody complaining about missiles, there’s a reason y a nerf is coming next patch :/
bleak crest
Yeah but it's a long way from what some are saying like it's going to ruin the game to the point where those tanks have a marginal impact.
crimson goblet
i dont get it to begin with, they are the first of their kind, ofc its hard to instantly have them well balanced
fallen mortar
this community crys about everything espacially if the new T10 prem isnt OP but a tech tree tank is quite strong
bleak crest
Not only that but it's the player base that can't deal with them as in non existant team work...
grand zinc
Where do i report a player who is on my team and says my location to enemy side?
crimson goblet
its called player support
sonic sedge
Mines battle,where td’s count. We had one td the enemy had two so they pushed on both sides with td back up,we’re supposed to have more heavies to make the matching fair in ratings ( fight against equal opponents) but no! Got up to 3700 rating but then get stuck with bad teams in either tier 10 or 7-8 so then #not my rating,goes back down 🙄
agile sphinx
Ooh you got 4 shots in that game, you clearly deserve to gain so many points because of your amazing carry...
pine falcon
I just checked you rating stats ... again. You calibrated at 2.9k and are now at 3.4K meaning you gained 600 points. You played almost 300 battles this season. Considering a victory at 3K rating is around 40-60 points, comes to show how bad you are performing. Just stop complaining mate and get better. The only thing you have done on this discord server is complain ... complain ... complain even more ... complain ... and most importantly complain. @sonic sedge And yes, this is a personal attack because there are a few people who are getting annoyed by you (including me), as you pretend to be an amazing player who knows everything and makes "good" "constructive" criticism. You are pretending to be something you are not so stop and seek help.
ornate spoke
Shots fired lmao
sonic sedge
Look at the matching..and you ‘seek help’ & stop your derogatory comments towards others! Just about sums up your mentality!
fallen mortar
i think his mentality is stop crying and get gud and thats not even a bad one xD
bleak crest
@sonic sedge you honestly seem to care about this game more than wargaming do. If they put half your effort in improving it would be something. There’s no need to prove anything. The system is as unrealistic as they come. I mean the points are awarded based on a players contribution in rating where teams are supposed to be close to equal while in random where teammates are all over the place they reward wins. This game just isn’t worth it. Play it as long as you have fun. When it becomes a chore just quit immediately. Games are supposed to be fun and when the fun ends so does the game. Anyways after today’s experience I’m done playing ratings except for credits with premium tanks and no consumables. Simply not what this mode promised and not a pleasant experience at all.
sonic sedge
Mate,yeah same.I’ve been making suggestions that the points scoring system needs to change otherwise its just the same as normal battles at the end of the day! I got up to 3700 ish then got put in bad teams & just dropped with way more losses than wins!
agile sphinx
The points system needs to be changed in the opposite way to what would benefit you. The only reason you got up to 3700 was because you got put with good teams by your logic
fallen mortar
how comes it that mostly people cry about the point system that are considered not good i dont see Sevik crying about points i dont see 3very crying about points i dont see actually good player complaining and i myself dont complain either just because we actually play decent and have no problems getting to diamond and plat
bleak crest
It’s exactly the same as normal battles, same artificial ups and downs. I lost 700 points. It’s just unbelievable what’s going on. Since the t22 crates appeared it’s only down for me.
fallen mortar
if its the same as random battles it shouldnt be hard to gain points then because in randoms everyone sucks 😅
agile sphinx
If you lose 700 points then there is definitely a huge issue with a common factor, and that common factor is the player
Since it was so helpful last time, what rating are you at now and what rating do you think you should be able to reach? @bleak crest
bleak crest
You can check that in game
fallen mortar
maybe that shows you were your problems are... on the L is Sevik and 3very and on the R both of you are
bleak crest
So what’s that have to do with losing 700 points today in just a few hours?
agile sphinx
You can't carry? Also you never answered what rating you think you should be at
fallen mortar
look at your stats and then tell me you are skilled player those 2 on the right are both good to very good players that dont cry and loose 700 points a day xD
bleak crest
I was at 4100 something this morning. Is should be around there as the last 2 seasons I finished in that region.
fallen mortar
well the game decided to put me instantly right there xD
@bleak crest so if ive been rude to u i didnt meant to 60% 1,4k avg is around the stats im trying not to be rude anymore or the ones where i dont tend to be you could make it to 5k if you want but the tanks you play probably dont suite ratings very well since its a spam of prem tanks and the strong tech tree tanks everything else suffers but stevo still annoys me to a point where id actually would love to insult 😅
bleak crest
I’m not a paying player so I play what I’ve got but the point is if I got to 4100 with those tanks how on earth I’ve been losing since 10am this morning?
agile sphinx
Hmmm let's take a long think about that, what has stayed the same since 10am and has affected every single battle you have been in 🤔
bleak crest
I’m not a paying player so I play what I’ve got but the point is if I got to 4100 with those tanks how on earth I’ve been losing since 10am this morning?
late mural
You must be the unluckiest guy in Blitz today. Or how about checking your replays to find what you did wrong?
fallen mortar
well im stuck at the same rating for around 3 days now, not doing that bad tho but playing T7 is kinda painful in ratings when you calibrate at 4,4k soon when those 50 battles are done imma play soemthing else xD
native marten
Even with like a low 2k WN8 getting into platinum is fairly doable, I have like a 2.3k 30 day and if I get lucky I can calibrate into high 3k or just do 100-200 points a day and 1 week later be in platinum
pine falcon
Bruuuuh. My WN8 has gone down 500 ... jesus
@fallen mortar also damn, thats a nice calibration
On the topic of stevo1100r, he has 70K+ battles (including rating). He should know by now how to play the battle to get the maximum out of it. But clearly he just doesn't know how to do that yet he still complains.
bleak crest
The same stuff in the same tanks I played before, @late mural that’s why it’s so strange. It’s 700 points in a few hours. Teams have changed incredibly to the worse. The only thing that was changed was the server. I remembered starting to play on p2 then losing and I was on p1. But that can’t be it, can it?
native marten
Just sayin, if you’re able to lose 700 points in a couple hours, then maybe that’s just your skill level ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Like not being rude but I’ve never seen someone lose 700 points before in just a few hours while trying their best
crimson goblet
have to agree with what was said before,even if i have bad teams,i dont lose more than max 50-100 pts in 1h
i dont even think 700 is really possible(depends on the exact number of hours thou,or else you'd have to be afk every single game)
glossy raptor
The lower you are the more you loose though. If u got 2k u lose more when u lose than if you would have 5k and do the exact same amount of dmg and kills
agile sphinx
And at 2k it's much easier to win that at 5k
bleak crest
In theory any player should have a greater influence in lower rating battles. That's why some intentionally dropped in rating to get cheap aces.
Practically however it depends on what tank you play. If you're in a td and you have no spots there's a high chance to get serious points deducted for a loss. On a win however they will be recouped.
agile sphinx
It's almost as if camping is useless 🤔
If you are losing that many points and trying to blame it on anything but yourself then you need to take a long time to think about why
pine falcon
Guys... it has been almost 22 hours since our beloved friend stevo hasn't sent any messages.
sage verge
sad
next gull
A bit late on this, but a t34 and an exp on mines did not sound to bad.
bleak crest
Maybe he realized that a game featuring the likes of Helsing and Dracula should be taken as such. Not seriously that is.
tired vault
What it feels like to be me
rocky mural
Fadoo i agree with you mm nets to work on ratings too
Im done with blitz until they can fix ratings, im tired of the salt and inactive players who curse me out then i get reported for telling them i carried and they suck im done
tired vault
@rocky mural Nah it’s just funny 6 total individually yolo for me throughout the game
rocky mural
Ahh makes sense also my pc keeps kicking me from the game so i cant play it 😂
long spindle
Dunno how u do it man, with all these missiles. It's a nightmare
crimson goblet
it is, i lost my mind when i was at 4999,and then lost 4 in a row dude
long spindle
I got to 4900, then went back to 4700
crisp jacinth
wg will start selling more provisions to counter the missles next
bleak crest
You mean more crates. T22 is the ultimate in terms of anti missiles. It must be great for ratings.
crimson goblet
man its so great getting points in this
minor meteor
First place on Raiting.
bold panther
Wow gg
winged oar
Whats a good change - that you doesent need anymore to play at least 50 battles to receive platinum/diamond camouflage. Thank you Wargaming.
I think players really appreciate that.
fallen mortar
when you want the diamond camo you easily get up to 50 battles
pine falcon
^^^ And also why should wg change it to be obtainable without having at least 50 battles? WG are trying to get more people into rating and this is one (semi effective) way to do that.
low sandal
When are we going to get a minimum number of battles or wr count to play ratings?
bold panther
Some people could just calibrate and get platinum camo...
Plus this battle ceiling increases the "rarity" of the rating camos that otherwise could be spammed
quartz aspen
4th win out of 12 games today
fossil moth
rank full of missiles tanks t22 or progetto nice balance wg you are the best in tanks balance xd
playing a heavy tank is a nightmare in rank
i did never enjoy rank before but now rank is really bad to play 0 fun
agile sphinx
It's even worse having 4 or 5 people under 5k games between both teams, it's painful to watch sometimes
bold panther
It's worse playing while being at 5k rating and getting matched with 4,1k players
agile sphinx
Only 4.1k? I get matched with teams of an average of 3.6k...
near pewter
I’m at 4.2 and still getting matches with 3k average teams
native marten
Lmao on some occasions you get matches with average 2.7k players
Usually like maybe 1/10 battles this happens
drifting cedar
Raiting really needs more players. Maybe give credits, gold or free xp the higher you get for example you get to platinum there fore receive 10k free xp or 150 gold or something like that.
And i am tired of getting the team average below 1k from my own and so is probaply everyone else. The fix is to give better rewards
agile sphinx
Ratings needs more good players, not more of the types of players being brought in. We don't want every game to be full of people with under 5k games and when I'm at 5k rating I don't expect to have most of my team under 50% either. There needs to be some reason for good players to want to play ratings, like some actual reward instead of just a camo that will lose its exclusivity in a couple of months or a tiny amount of gold for 10 people. It's not going to hurt WGs profits to give away even a new tier 6 prem for free, and I'm sure many people would go for 5k if they actually got something unique. There's no use in catering to 10 players who want the gold or to the average part of the playerbase who will just drive away the good players.
ornate spoke
Wargeimming Please lure more players with small gold rewards like get to 4 k get 200 gold a month 5k 500 gold or exp
native marten
Besides reward changes I’d also like to see something like a 50% career win rate and for the tank they’re trying to play ratings in, it needs a 50% WR over 100+ battles or something like that, you sometimes get like 30% trollers in your ratings games and honestly 50% WR bar doesn’t seem that high so yeah
sage verge
you have to remember avg wr is somewhere around 48%
native marten
I mean I reckon if they really wanted to do ratings then most people should be able to get 50% eventually, or maybe like 30-day stats or something because some people have like 20k+ battles and can't really change WR in a short period of time
green stump
Hi
agile sphinx
@sage verge Getting to 50% WR isn't hard at all, and if someone can't put the effort into that then why are they trying to play a competitive game mode?
sage verge
@agile sphinx thats just a dumb thing To say "getting 50% WR isnt had at all." Yeah for you it might have not been Hard but for all those 45% it most certainly is really Hard. I dont think its wise for a game To restrict a gamemode for the minor portion of the players. Not everyone plays rating To be the Best. Some under average players might play it for fun and To see what rating they Will get. @agile sphinx
ornate spoke
not the worst calibration tbh., not the best either
green orchid
But, you cannot argue against the fact that it really sucks to lose a rating battle and see that two or three of your teammates have played less than 5,000 battles, and have a bad record. I would have considered myself a nuub before 8,000 battles. I currently have 14,000 battles with a 53% winrate.
agile sphinx
@sage verge It isn't hard for anyone. All it takes is an open mind and some common sense, no skill is required at all. If people don't want to play a competitive game mode then thankfully there are random battles for that, if you want to play ratings you should be playing competitively not just for fun. That is the whole reason ratings exists, and it shouldn't be ruined by bad players who are there for no reason whatsoever
fallen mortar
and if they want to see which rting theyll get they can stop after calibration and dont need to play 1000 games and where is it fun to afk in ratings or just run a straight line into the enemy team just because you dont loose anything but rating points, no stats nothing not even a stricter report system is there
warped anvil
Ratings is currently broken more than normal. I’ve played over 30 battles today and virtually every team (at tier 10/9) has consisted of 5 or 6 lights/mediums and one heavy or TD. Less than 3000 dpm or less than a massive derp gun, you’re dead. WG have broken ratings totally.
agile sphinx
Broken as in the meta now favours what blitz is supposed to be like so you actually have to move and think to do well? And no you don't need alpha or dpm to do well my 30b has got me to 5k fairly easily as one random example
crimson goblet
fun
warped anvil
@agile sphinx so blitz is supposed to be teams of almost exclusively meds and lights, lol, yeah ok.
I remember the days of yore when the game at tier 10 was hordes of T62a’s and Obj140’s and it was boring as f***, heavies and TDs didn’t feature, and that’s the way the ‘meta’ is going again. That isn’t the way blitz is ‘meant to be’ imho. I’m not saying you shouldn’t or can’t drive your 30B but WG took action to restrict the TD camp fest of a year or so ago, by restricting the TD numbers per team. But now we’re getting back to that with teams of meds/lights. And that isn’t what blitz is meant to be.
agile sphinx
Right teams of meds are sooo much more bring than 3 heavies 3 TDs camping at spawn waiting each other out, idk what you are on but it sounds interesting. Blitz is meant to be a fast paced game, and meds and lights make it fast paced so they should be the backbone of the game. 3 TDs per team is still too many, and when you factor in all of the other heavies who see the TDs doing slightly better damage when camping and decide to copy then you will see that the 3 TD limit had very little affect as shown by the meta in the last few updates. You don't seem to understand what blitz is about at all and so I don't think you should be suggesting things to improve it
warped anvil
So you think I must be on drugs. What a thoroughly unpleasant individual you are. I don’t know how long you’ve been playing the game but I’ve been here since July 2014, so I think I have an inkling of how balanced gameplay should be.
Since you seen to be incapable of holding a reasonable discussion without throwing thinly veiled insults I won’t interact with you any more. Internet trolls like you make me wanna puke.
drifting cedar
And also band the people that afk from raiting
agile sphinx
@warped anvil There's no logical reason to think that blitz should be about camping at all so there must be something illogical going on in your head. How long you have been playing for makes very little difference if you can't learn from that and see that blitz is about movement.
warped anvil
I’ll contradict myself by replying. At what point did I say ‘blitz should be about camping’. Try rereading what I said.
Balanced gameplay should include all classes of tank, light, medium, heavy and TD. My original post is about my experience today of teams consisting almost exclusively of medium and light tanks, rendering heavys and TDs incapable of competing.
Otherwise what’s the point of having TDs and heavies in the game?
kind owl
sure
warped anvil
It might as well be called ‘WOT light and medium tank Blitz’
But you carry on with your childish insinuations of me being one something’ @agile sphinx
*on
pine falcon
The game is called "blitz" which means quick/sudden. Heavies don't have the mobility and TDs camp. As the battle is only 7 mins you need to be able to move around the map and be effective. Therefore lights and meds are the best option
agile sphinx
@warped anvil As said above, mediums and lights should be the backbone of the game. Heavies and TDs should not be, and are not, useless against meds and lights and I have no clue why you think they are.
warped anvil
Oh for gods sake, are you just being belligerent or are you struggling with the maths. If there are 6 light/ medium and one heavy or TD per team that is not balanced. If you think it is, you’re wrong. The end.
agile sphinx
I think I missed the part of the game where it said that you need to have an equal number of heavies and TDs and meds in every game for it to be balanced, or maybe it was just never included because it's wrong? You need more meds than heavies and TDs to actually have some movement, which is what the game is about. I would hope that it is easy to understand that.
warped anvil
S I X med/light tanks on each side IS NOT BALANCED. Can you read that?
Is that easy to understand?
Or should I try crayons next?
agile sphinx
I can read that you think that yes, and I can also understand that it is wrong because I realise that blitz is about movement and meds are the tanks that propagate that, and look who has to resort to "childish insinuations" now 🤔
warped anvil
This conversation really is quite ironic considering your tag on here. And yes, if I can’t beat them on this occasion I’ve joined them. As in you, because you are definitely trolling me. So I’m done now.
pine falcon
@warped anvil bruh you just said "if I can't beat them, ive joined them" but if we arrange your tanks by battles played, we would see that the top 13 are heavies/tds. Also the fact that you can't blend in with the current meta is your own fault.
agile sphinx
I don't really see how I'm trolling here, and my name is supposed to say how awful the 183 is for the game because it has such a big influence on gamesnot how good it is. And I'm guessing you mean you have accepted that you are wrong when you said "if you can't beat them" although normally it comes with some form of acceptance that the other person is right not pretending they are a troll
warped anvil
@pine falcon who said I can’t blend in? I merely said that having games where the vast majority of tanks played (meaning 5 or more) being mediums/lights isn’t balanced. If you can’t understand that, that’s your problem not mine
Additionally, what if a player is a fan of heavy tanks or TDs, then the current ‘meta’ is effectively excluding them from the game and the last thing I would expect that WG would want is to alienate players from playing.
I enjoy playing mediums and lights but not as much as I like heavies as you point out. Doesn’t (or shouldn’t) stop me from expressing and opinion about the balance of ratings, as I’ve experienced it today unless of course you name is know all Colin, who apparently sets ‘meta policy’ cos he likes ‘fast gameplay’! 🤨
@agile sphinx my reference to ‘.....joining them’ was acknowledging the crayons comment as being down at your level, eg I’m on drugs.
And I’m not wrong. My experience and point of view is just that, mine, and as valid as yours, despite you asserting the opposite
lime sparrow
i still haven't calibrated yet lmaoooaooo
pine falcon
@warped anvil the game has been light-medium tank dominated since it came out. That will probably never change and since you are complaining about it now ... well it kind of gives the feeling that you can't accept it. I don't blame you for liking heavies or TDs but you have to admit, if the game was TD-heavy based then the games would be super boring. Heavies can't flank and just sit behind a rock because there are TDs camping and looking at them.
warped anvil
@pine falcon the game was medium dominated back in the day when at tier 10 all everyone drove was Obj140s and T62a’s, but that got sorted when they were eventually nerfed and that event was extensively covered by many contributors. Then there was a period of what I’d call, for want of a better word - balance, but that was followed by the TD/183 campfest. Quite rightly that was corrected, but only to a degree, by the max 3 TDs to a team and the nerf to the 183, so WG increased the armour on many tanks inc heavies and for a while we’ve had a reasonably balanced ‘meta’ until the recent introduction of the rocket tanks, the T-22 medium etc and the buff to the T62a gun depression.
So my point, for the umpteenth time is that TODAY I encountered an unusually high incidence of battles that were dominated by teams of 5, 6 or even 7 (and yes that means I was in a med/light too) medium/light tanks. That’s fun for a few games but not good for balanced gameplay in the long run. Some community contributors have seen fit to post videos recently commenting on the broken nature of the rocket tanks, but not just their ability to shoot rockets from behind objects, they’ve also commented on the enhanced mobility of said tanks. Making the gameplay unbalanced. Don’t believe me, go check Bushka and Meadsy69 for two who have made those comments in their recent videos.
The game is not called ‘World of Light/Medium Tanks’ and WG have gone on record many times to say that they want balanced gameplay for all classes of tank. That TODAY has not been my experience in ratings .
I hope that’s clear enough.
pine falcon
@warped anvil and I just want to say again. The game is called blitz and blitz means fast/sudden. Heavies are slow and not very mobile and TDs refuse to move and camp all game. That doesn't seem to fit the name "blitz" does it.
fallen mortar
the heavy meta wasnt fun either when heavys got close to the same dpm as meds while having more pen and usually useful armor and then the consumables for heavys and Tds
lime sparrow
- Blitz means that the gameplay is going to go at a fast pace and feel fun. You should be able to achieve that with all of the tank class available. You can’t just counter WG’s words by looking at a game’s title.
- Most meds still have more dpm than their heavy counterparts (aside from the 113 and FV)
calm quail
lmao the game isn't just about movement.
If you had 7v7 batchats, it would be a yolofest.
Heavy tanks are focused around positional play - they are designed to take certain positions that allow them to use their best attributes. They force you to watch flanks and use your armor, by angling and getting in positions that utilize your tank's specific advantages to the fullest. Heavy tanks have big guns to punish mistakes and to force medium drivers to think before they push.
Tank destroyers force careful thought and timing on when to poke, dealing punishment for mistimed pushes, uncaring use of camo, lack of awareness. Many of us learned the game through taking damage from these big tds, which forced us to play smarter and forced us to take note of the enemy team's key locations. When playing tank destroyers, one must try to cover their team's advance and keep your location hidden. Many tds lack a turret; this adds to positional play and also creates interesting counter strategies, like circling and sidehugging.
Blitz is not all about movement. It's about tanks. The more diverse the gameplay, the better. Forcing everyone to play the same way is narrowminded, turns away a large portion of players, and creates the same scenario over and over - 7 fast tanks yoloing 7 other fast tanks.
@agile sphinx You should also consider that players would have a harder time getting into the game than they already do. If I wanted to play an entirely movement-based game, I'd consider exercise.
lime sparrow
I don't know if this community would ever think of exercise. Maybe Wii Sports?
warped anvil
@calm quail thank you, a voice of reason 👍
agile sphinx
@calm quail It's not just about movement but movement is the underpinning idea. Heavy tanks and TDs need some skill and knowledge to play and have their own playstyle and still have that, mediums are the tanks that make the game interesting so you need more mediums than other tanks to make the game how it should be as heavies and TDs have more map control than meds in the hands of average players. Blitz needed the ATGMs desperately and thankfully they have had the correct effect on the game. The game is not unbalanced if there are more meds than other classes, the game is finally getting to a good place.
balmy tiger
You say med this med that. Meds have been irrelevant since the pramo nerf.
fallen mortar
Since when is a blitz team coordinated everyone just plays for themselves as a decent player if you rely on your team you're dead
Heavys have to take positions and hold them that sounds to me like camping and all I know is that usually heavys should lead a push but it's blitz and when you play together with some 48% that doesn't seem to work at all
balmy tiger
You don’t see medium spam in the comp scene. You see is4, fv, obj 268. Meds are not the shizz anymore
fallen mortar
When wz 121 was buffed you saw some until they realised that the pen is awful and they switched back to heavys and tds
agile sphinx
Meds are much more relevant now then they have been in a long time and that's what has made the game better
balmy tiger
I’m not sure I’m gunna agree there. Meds are still pretty useless.
molten whale
I kno ppl hated the is4 meta but i think it was the best one yet, coz in the late stages of that meta just before the wacky consumables ppl realised that just the right amount of mts were a good counter to is4 (talking abt comp) altho this is just ny opinion