@iron zodiac mine is fine.
#rating-battles
pine falcon
glossy raptor
Mine is fine too
still glade
@languid lintel because he have just finish these calibration on this game
ornate spoke
I think there may be hackers in this game. I finished last season with platinum and received the corresponding camo and prizes for platinum. Couple weeks later all of that was removed and was replaced with diamond camo and prizes. My theory is that some games were lost due to hacking and my rating was being adjusted.
pine falcon
when you just can't read... last season - Twister season the diamond cammo (black and red) was the ONLY cammo available for both diamond and platinum league. The fact that the very first rating cammo (goldish brown) was given out was a mistake by WG.@ornate spoke just saying - next time it is a good idea to read
ornate spoke
No it used to be both diamond and plat had the brown camo. Then they rolled out a red one for diamond. But whatever it’s an upgrade anyways so I’ll take it
restive dawn
It used to be like that like half a year ago
fallen mortar
its hard for people that cant read
dire quiver
The IQ is over 9000
late mural
Ratings stats seem rather fantastic after the update.
restive dawn
Could also add avg stats per tier
desert kettle
For the camo is it 50 battles total or 50 battles in a single tank?
still latch
You can get 1 camo for each tier tank. The requirement to get a camo on each tier tank is 50. Most played tank in each tier gets a camo (4k, or 5k camo). So in total, you gotta play 200 battle in rating. 50 for each tier. Or if you want just one tank to get it, say is7, just 50 battles in t10 with is7 being the dominant tank played (while being in 4k or higher)
bronze vine
@still latch If let's say i play IS-6 or T34 ? Do i still get the camo?
still latch
Play 50 battles in one of the two and be in 4k or 5k league before season ends
bronze vine
Alright ok. Thks
jade folio
I am sick of ratings.... everyone is rolling in their foches or 215b and just ruining gameplay for meds
undone kettle
rating system broken
vivid quarry
I don't even bother with tier x, It's horrid up there, way harder to carry
bleak cliff
Lol no it's not
But hey, I'm use to playing tanks that aren't completely broken and outclass their tier
vivid quarry
Possibly bc I don't have tons of experience in tier x yet
@bleak cliff did wg announce there was going to be gold prizes last season when you won
vivid quarry
Damn.. seemed like not many ppl knew bc u couldn't find out
bleak cliff
There's barely any news about prizing. It's only at the start and end of the season
vivid quarry
Yeah Ik about this season I'm like top 10 rn, I believe I pm you in game but never got a reply /:
bleak cliff
Never got a pm I don't think
vivid quarry
All is good, is your guy's discord public?
bleak cliff
For pncr? Yeah
vivid quarry
Ahh I found it
coral basalt
Rating battles end at 23 pm, right? So at what time do they start again in the morning?
restive dawn
Depends on the server you are playing in
coral basalt
Eu
pine falcon
the break during the night is either 9 or 10 hours
coral basalt
Nvm, I eventually got into ab battle. Seems like the break on eu server is from 23 to 8 o clock. Well, I just waited 540 minutes, but now I know.
glossy raptor
@coral basalt 540 mins queue?
restive dawn
Was in the queue the whole time ratings were closed
540 mins divided by 60 is 9 hours
pine falcon
@restive dawn first of all he said 540. Also 540 divided by 60 is 9.
glossy raptor
He queued when rating was closed?
zenith trellis
I have a big tip: let people consolidate the win, so if you reach 4K or 5k you can keep playing. Now i reached 4K i am afraid i fall back so i stopped playing rating when actually i don’t really wanna stop...
Oh and don’t close rating at 23h in the eu
late mural
YES please. Let us lock in the rating if we want, and then continue playing without affecting points.
bleak cliff
That literally defeats the whole purpose of ratings...
late mural
So what is the purpose then?
The top players can still fight for the better prizes and glory, but for the rest getting the camos is the only incentive. Apart from getting tougher matches.
Since the rewards for rating battles are so bad currently, it's no wonder people stop playing after reaching the 4k or 5k mark. Thus no wonder there's a lack of players too.
late mural
Better still would be to award the camos based on your season high. Then there would be no reason to stop playing after reaching 4k/5k.
bleak cliff
People would still stop regardless
glossy raptor
People would stop their rating and then keep battling to destroy for others.
next gull
This is the reason why the incentive should run throughout the season. Like better rewards for missions completed during ratings.
warm charm
It should be highest rating reached, but as long as ur not too far below it (like 350 or so to prevent clubbing), the rewards depend on ur highest rating reached
Also I bet ratings is rigged, it’s not ok when you do 3k+ dmg every battle but still stuck at 4.2-4.3k rating
still latch
3k damage isnt much to gain points, especially if it's a loss. And most rating points are based off XP not damage, hurting those who just like to farm damage
zenith trellis
Im just saying that i reached 4K and i am stopping now to keep my prizes, while actually i want to keep playing. And i think there are many out there who do the same and that is a pity.
ornate spoke
The quality of the gameplay on rating battles is nothing better than random battles so I don't see a point in playing them once you reach plat/diamond league
zenith trellis
I think the quality is better, the players are way better then in random. Thats why i like to keep playing.
ornate spoke
It's really not
You get ocasionally another good player but others are still trash
And I belive there should be a skill cap in ratings because it's easy to get into diamond if you have enough time, bad players get carried into high rating but don't belong there
winged flax
hi
silent plover
Where can we see the number of battles in a rating season per vehicule pls? I don't understand the new interface
fallen mortar
if its hard for one to reach 4k its thier problem i mean reaching 4 and 5k isnt hard at all and even without playing all day long it isnt hard
humble lark
pine falcon
#rating-battles and #tourneys-discussion get spammed with the weirdest things...
zenith saddle
So I got a question how low could this game's rating would be, I mean the number
1000? or below 1000?
neat halo
Do we no longer need 50 games in Ratings to get the camoflage? I am plat with less than 20 games, but when I look at my rating screen it tells me that I will get camo at the end of the season. Has this changed?
Notice the text at the bottom.
zenith saddle
very interesting Rating arithmetic and match making mechanism, I set the game in rating battle as afk program. But you know what, until the window of rating battle closed last night, the rating level of that account was steadily preserved around 2200, I cannot get any further in approaching the bottom line of 2000. Wow, cannot believe it.
the total number of that account's rating game was 51, calibrated as 2800, However, in the following 41 games as afk, the rating place only dropped less than 600. This is insane! So many people on this game, play bad and could get around 1800 rating place, but if you just stay there and doing nothing, you shall just receive even better consequences, free credits and free exps.
so the conclusion is being AFK is better than suck it up or just yolo 😂 on this game
on the current version
next gull
The lowest I have seen was 1184 rating (ranked 75000th player) on EU.
ornate spoke
Eww
ornate spoke
@humble lark thank you for your screen
glossy raptor
Thats way to much profit for a losing team
neat halo
@restive dawn I don't see why it would change either, but then I don't see why it tells me at the bottom of the ratings page that "at the end of the season you will receive a camoflage for your favorite tank" instead of adding the normal qualification "once you've played 50 games."
versed plank
where can I sign up for testing 6.6 on the euro server?
quaint thunder
@versed plank get 2000 youtube followers first
pine falcon
<@&481447501690568709> sorry to bother but may you moderate this chat more often. It literally gets flooded with all of those screenshots and a sentence attached to each one of them like "Wow, MaTchMakINg iS soO bAD" or "LoOk hoW I CarRIed ThIs batTLe". Please!
long spindle
👍
tacit crescent
Umm...what? I never named or shamed anyone
long spindle
Posting a screenshot showing people doing 0 dmg and moaning about afk players was naming and shaming mate
tacit crescent
I don't recall talking about the 0s at all
It was a different player that I was upset at, and I didn't even say who
I did say afk but I was not talking about other players being afk. I said that someone on my team was telling everyone that I was afk despite me having massive damage dealt
Sorry but I get a bit upset when someone spends the match telling everyone how bad I am and that I'm the most worthless player on team when I've already got 5k+ damage at that point
wind moonBOT
Updated Case #12129
ornate spoke
@long spindle rating games are not included in player statistics. his winrate and average damage do not change. so the result of the battle doesn't matter (win or lose) so since you deleted my sample pictures that had hidden player names I will write again. please let the player get points for in-game activity. if he is a noob and you accidentally were on the winning team and his result is 300 dmg on tier 10. such a player should receive -50 points. The player on the losing team who has 3000 damage should get the same points as the player on the winning team, for example 30-50 points. players do not choose partners in the battle so they should be accounted for individually and not as a team. this is a very logical and fair solution.
tacit crescent
Eh...sorta but not really
If you reward individual play over team play then players may act in ways that would harm their teams ability to win so that they can boost their personal rating. For example if the enemy is capping and there are a ton of enemies in the area nobody may reset the cap because they want to stay alive and boost their rating while someone else resets cap.
That being said I do think someone who performs exceptionally well on a losing team should get just as much if not more reward than someone who does nothing on a winning team.
War Robots has all of its matchmaking based on rating and the way they decide rating change is based entirely on ranking within each team with the top 2 out of 6 players on the losing team still gaining rating. Maybe a hybrid between war robots and blitz rating methods would work
ornate spoke
@tacit crescent rating battles has his own player rating system, which certainly contains not only damage but also spots or capturing bases, it probably depends on the type of tank too.
rigid nexus
how do you boost your rating
bleak cliff
By winning
fallen mortar
Rating shouldn't let you get tons of points when loosing and neither should you loose some if you win
subtle girder
30 wr players buy a prem tank and come in rating battles to put your rating down every time when u r at 3998 😩
ornate spoke
@fallen mortar why ?
fallen mortar
You do well in a loss and get a few points, I'm ok with that but you shouldn't get more then 10 or 15 since you still lost and getting to 5k should be at least challenging, right now getting to 4k is way to easy and I meet tons of 40%ers with over 4k ranking
ornate spoke
@fallen mortar precisely because they have little damage in the game and still get a positive number of points. so they know that it is enough to play a lot.
fallen mortar
Its not working that well if you loose and do no dmg you loose way more points then you gain by doing no dmg and winning
ornate spoke
yes, but if you do 300 dmg at tier 10 you should get a negative number of points regardless of whether you won or lost. then there will be no players with 40% wr who have a 4k ranking
fallen mortar
but its stupid since if you play team reliant tanks like squishy Tds it occurs that you wont do much if your team just yolos and dies regardless at what ranking they are
fast canopy
it is me or ranked are completly broken
i play with people that die in under 2 min over and over...., i just cant carry anyone and anything from tier 7 to 10, impossible
iron zodiac
This season of rating battles was the most difficult so far for me. But I finally got to 5k
tawdry ingot
Just gonna say:
If you see a tier 9 or 10 premium that isn’t in a real clan, don’t trust them. 90% of the time they will be trash cans
keen canopy
Define "real clan" 🍿
fast canopy
ratked with these teams so fun so far, not even 1 minute already 2 dead, another minute passed 2 other dead, 99% of my battles in a nutshell....
torpid walrus
ratings is just pubs but more "balanced"
maiden rain
@keen canopy renown clan? So that people that have knowledge of the game know that ur good? Idk
quaint thunder
@maiden rain Im in FTC-1 and play my AMX 30 B most of my tier 10 ranked matches. Still I know what I do. But is FTC verry renowned? I dont think so
maiden rain
I don’t know them anyway 😅
You know ur clan is renowned when people say hi ig @quaint thunder
ornate spoke
@quaint thunder very nice 1300 avg dmg on AMX 30 B
quaint thunder
@ornate spoke yes but I dont f care
@ornate spoke i have learned my leason already. Once I was all about stats. Must get winrate up. Must win. Got angry when my teammates fcked up. I nearly got a heart attack. Now I play for fun. And now I have both more fun and my health doesnt deteriorate
The biggest noobs arent the guys with low winrates: that jonour goes to the guys who say they are noobs. It isnt about winning at all costs. It is about having fun (and maybe pay the salary of the devs but lets not talk about that)
So I would like to request @everyone not to go after stats. That someone isn't that good in the game doesn't mean he or she should stop playing. Let others have some fun to
fallen mortar
Someone that isn't good shouldn't play ranked 😅
It's supposed to be skillful noobs are only tolerated because we don't want to wait for ages
agile sphinx
^ It would be alright if the points system was fixed so it required skill to get to 4/5k but all it takes is time which completely defeats the point of the game mode
sonic sedge
About time the ratings points system was brought into the 21st century,time again this happens,get in the top three score but get let down by a noob team & ‘my’ rating goes down too,even after this time achieving the highest score out of both teams but ‘my’ rating goes down! #notmyrating
winter vector
normal garnet
@sonic sedge doing the highest damage on ur team on a loss is not guaranteed to not drop your rating, stop thinking like that
sonic sedge
erm I wasn’t ‘thinking like that’ as I know it doesn’t always..Proof of what I typed is as above though! Hence why the scoring system should change otherwise ‘your’ rating means absolutely nothing!
warm charm
They need to give more rating gain to the top 1 or 2 on reds
ivory bone
what is this, u call this fair WG, i try playing defensively, offensively, take hits for the teammates, i scout, i switch vehicle type, i switch tier, i flank, i trade, what an absolute joke unfair rating, allowing someone go above me, even though i play longer, now the rating is almost over now i lose my place, i hope u enjoy your unfair rating cause teams these days are not even balance. Even do very high damage and still lose and lose my rating points, now i lose my rank that i used to have. This really annoys me that fact that i switch tanks, tier, class type, how unreal this game mode is, i thought this was the game mode for me but, no just keep giving unfair advantage, look at how many times i lose
tacit crescent
Maybe +5 points to top player and -5 to bottom player
Balances out to the same points for the team overall
Not a huge impact on anyone, but for players who consistently rank top of team they get a small boost and are less likely to go negative while players that are afk or Yolo rush get a small penalty
ivory bone
if i had a low winrate, like a 46% winrate i guarantee i would have more wins than lose as a high winrate player
look at the image that proof
tacit crescent
Sadly I think that's accurate... playing on an old account I may struggle for 60% on a tank but then playing on a new account with the same tank at about the same number of battles in that tank I get 70% win rate
ivory bone
i really wish winrate didn't exist in this game so WG can't keep making u lose on purpose cause they obviously go by winrate base on the image i just put on
i played 2 more battles now it all defeat good job WG 😃 how unreal can u be😄
fathom briar
Stop playing is all I can say. Just come back another time.
ivory bone
ok i hope tomorrow it better the opposite, like keep winning consistently, cause it makes me want to have a refund, i didn't pay to keep losing i pay for both win and lose, not lose only
ivory bone
welp it better happen to the guy that pass me bc he kept winning, so tomorrow it better be he keeps losing and i keep winning then, if u say it happens to everyone
fathom briar
I never said it’s gonna work out for you like that I’m just saying everyone gets loss streaks there’s not much you can do about it
ivory bone
welp ima see tomorrow😡
pearl shale
New accounts have sadety mm. You're supposed to be put against other new players and bots. (Occasionally you'll still be slammed against people with more battles if there isn't enough people in the safety que) Plus the more you play the tank the better you get. Could explain why you have a higher wr in the same tank when you make a new account
ornate spoke
I'm seeing a pattern. You need to know when to walk away in ratings, I always seem to win a streak or win 2 out of 3 for a while and then it goes straight to loss streaks, usually when I continue after losing 2 or 3 in z row it turns into 4 or 5+, its then I just walk away for the day or come back a couple hours later bc if I dont i lose any progress I've made before, sure it's hard and annoying I even have to do that, but it's the only way I can stay positive some days @ivory bone
sonic sedge
Supreme_Pickle,yep you’ve got it,I’ve played over 70k battles & there IS a pattern,you win a few then you’re deliberately made to lose just as many no matter what you do!
undone python
My pattern is win1 time loss2 time
ornate spoke
What?
undone python
yes
summer shard
Read pinned messages
tawdry ingot
yeah, that's a #screenshots image.
On the actual topic of Rating Battles, they do need some changes:
#1 -
A) Locked until 1000 battles played; tier 7 and 8 only
B) Locked until 2500 battles played; tier 7-9 only
C) Locked until 5000 battles played; all tiers allowed
#2 - Rewards changes
Scale credits and experience gained and lost to be weighted more heavily on:
D) Rating earned/lost and overall rating
E) Ordinary + a % bonus according to average ratings
F) Removed repair and ammunition costs for battles
Choose one answer from each of the above
pine falcon
I would choose C but also add the condition that the player needs to have researched a tier 10 vehicle.
tawdry ingot
I would disagree. Recently, Wargaming sold 1 million free experience. That's 1-2 free tier 10 tanks right away. And what if we suck at tier 10 tanks, and just want to chill at tier 7-9?
yeah, I see what you mean there, may have to make some edits on the post
misty slate
@tawdry ingot I think it is not the point
next gull
There is some sort of mutually excluding demands in (1) creating more and harder conditions to enter ratings and (2) whinning because there are not enough players to balance the teams properly based on 'skill'.
fallen mortar
the problem is more likely the lack of skilled players xD
tacit crescent
@pearl shale I mean I can actually go back and forth between the accounts and have an epic win streak and easy battles on one and struggle on the other despite using the same tank with the same equipment and the older account that I struggle on is the one that has maxed out crew skills
pearl shale
But what is that accounts total battle count?
celest hound
tawdry ingot
A) wrong channel B) naming and shaming C) that’s gonna get a mute if you don’t remove it because mods @celest hound
Just black out names and y’all good. It’s fine, being a newer member you make mistakes
Post that to #screenshots
bleak cliff
thats not naming and shaming
rigid nexus
that praising
celest hound
I deleted some messages
ornate spoke
its 10 game for the camo or 20 ?
bleak cliff
50
untold pasture
Ratings are a joke......
Literally getting steamrolled every bloody time.....
Getting unequal teams in both Ratings and Firepower.....
summer shard
Read pinned messages
pine falcon
Rating rewards are already distributed on the EU server... wow that was FAST
vivid shore
trim wharf
Our country internet closed 14 days and i didnt get diamond league ( 4600 point) 😂 😂
iron shoal
So I got platinum for my rating and I didn't get my camo on my SP I C
So I had to do 50 games ;-;
tawdry ingot
Just at tier 7 m8. You can just do 26 games in the SP and 24 in the Smasher 🙂
quaint thunder
I played tier 8 mostly with T28 Deffender. Now its appearance is unique. So I never got my gold league camouflage for tier 8
brisk frigate
Camo is only for 4k+ as far as I remember
quaint thunder
I did get the gold league avatar
brisk frigate
Yeah you're only supposed to get a temp. avatar
foggy trench
When do you get the camouflage after you reach Platinum/Diamond league?
brisk frigate
After you've played 50 battles in a particular tier, and on your most played tank on that tier
tawdry ingot
To expand (because this confused the heck out of me)
Play 50 battles at tier (X) in ratings. The tank you want to have the camouflage in has to have the most battles at the tier.
Was that you that was confusing my exhausted brain earlier? RIP
brisk frigate
I feel insulted
bleak crest
What’s wrong with rating battles on weekends? It becomes nearly impossible to win, games are annoying and very different from those during the week. The game is simply unplayable. Anyone at wargaming care to explain?
ivory prism
Received avatar but not the camo.. R u drunk again?😂
livid gale
mhmmm this camo looks pretty thicc on isu
barren dragon
misty slate
@ornate spoke how do you get this screen ? i can't...
balmy hollow
Profile->rating->scroll down
misty slate
@balmy hollow Ty i missed thé fact we Can scroll down
spare cobalt
When will rating be back up?
pine falcon
never
bleak cliff
Eh when the next season starts
Which is to say in December, give it until the 5th probably
iron zodiac
@ornate spoke did you get the camo?
ornate spoke
😂
ornate spoke
na
proud kayak
I like black camo more!!
ornate spoke
i do 60 game in tier 10 with 20 game on maus and 10 game in anthoner tank and dont work so. i leave the ranked tottaly buged and unless
still latch
Its 50 games for every tier tank. If you wanted it for your maus, you needed to play 50 battles in that tank. Then 50 battles for m4a1, then 50 battles for amx 13 57. Its not bugged.
So all in all, if you want a plat or diamond camo for every tier available in rating: First, you need to be between 4000 to 5000+ points. Second, Play 50 games in tier 10, 50 games in tier 9, 50 games in tier 8 and 50 games in tier 7. So 200 battles total
pine falcon
@still latch no. Direct quotation "These camos can be installed on the Tier VII–X vehicles you used to fight the most rating battles in the series. You can get up to four warpaints for the corresponding league: one for each eligible vehicle tier, as long as you have fought at least 50 battles in vehicles of that tier." Meaning that you can play 30 battles in Maus and 20 battles in T110E4 (for example) and you will receive the cammo on the Maus as it is the most played tank
still latch
Then he obviously didnt hit 4 to 5 k rating if he didnt get camo :/ and ree ping
pine falcon
or he didn't hit those 50 battles per tier
ornate spoke
The new tank in the shop tier X FV217 confirms that WG doesn't want better selection of players in rating battles. this is not good news for experienced players. the number of noobs in your team will increase. the number of complaints about match making will increase too.
next gull
Except of course if enough good/skilled players participate in ratings so that the rating selection can be effective.
We can dream...
ornate spoke
@next gull if there are more noobs then the popularity of the game decreases even more.
next gull
@ornate spoke removing bad players from ratings do not add good players to them. WG's aim is to have more players, presumably. Any suggestion going against that is pointless. We should find a way to promote ratings AND accomodate the presence of bad players.
I know many disagree, that's ok with me.
ornate spoke
Good words
ornate spoke
I belive it should be in wg's interest to keep the good players in the game more than getting more trash ones. But I guess they pay more
@next gull great idea. add stock tanks to the game it will be even more players
pine falcon
Gallabru has a point. If no one enjoys rating then it is probably because they don't feel "welcome" in it and most of the time that is because good players get annoyed with having not so good teammates by their side or bad players getting annoyed as a unicum totally outplayed them. And as rating doesn't effect stats why no make something like echelons - top (60+ wr), middle (50+ wr) and lower (50- wr) and climb in the leagues (bronze, silver, gold, platinum and diamond like they are now. I do understand that will cause horrific queues but this way a lot of moaning would be prevented about people not playing with the same skill leveled players. (And yes, I know this claim is mad)
ornate spoke
it's hard to win a rating battle when you fight alone in team with noobs, which is why most of the best players still prefer platoons and random games. so I suggest adding platoons to rating battles. change the score that rewards activity and noob punishment in battle.
hard chasm
Toons In rating is not a good idea.
ornate spoke
Platoon in rating would be the only thing that would keep me playing the game and actually make this game playable
hard chasm
You can play toon in random battles lol
ornate spoke
Ik but in random battles players are just miserable
fallen mortar
Toons in ratings are a bad idea they would let idiots get even higher rankings
fallen mortar
Toons in ratings is and will always be a stupid idea since one team could get a 40%er toon and the other one gets a 60% toon
It isn't even hard to climb the ratings ladder alone so I don't get how you have such problems with it
ornate spoke
@fallen mortar it's not difficult for you and you still can't cross the platinum league, so it's hard
if something does not change, the number of players in rating battles will not increase. this is only a suggestion for adding platoons because they are very popular among the best players.
ornate spoke
It's not difficult to get high rating and that was not my point.
I simply want to enjoy playing in a platoon without worrying about winning and stats or whatever
agile sphinx
Platoons in ratings will just make rating based even less of skill which is the opposite of what we want. 2 good players who only play in a platoon will obviously win more and so their rating doesn't show their individual skill. If you want to play in a platoon then play normal battles. If you don't want to worry about stats then play in training rooms.
ornate spoke
What exactly am I supposed to play in training rooms lmao
Meh I don't care anymore really, done with blitz anyways
fallen mortar
@ornate spoke I could've easily got to diamond but I didn't want to or did you see me playing 50 battles in T10 no so I wasn't paying to much attention to ranked or the game at all
agile sphinx
@ornate spoke Do whatever you want, and if you are done with blitz don't try and ruin an already dying game mode with your suggestions 🤷♀️
ornate spoke
Ruin? Lmao
agile sphinx
Sorry how would platoons in rating make it better? If you are that desperate and lonely just do countdowns...
ornate spoke
Ratings already had platoons and they were much better then
Right now no one is playing them. Why?
agile sphinx
Sorry why were they much better? It ruined the whole point of rating which is to show your skill. If I can toon and get to 5k easily in 50 games or toon and get to 1k in 50 games then there is clearly an issue. People don't play ratings because there are no worthwhile rewards and the teams are the same as normal battles except you don't have to worry about your 40% platoon being massacred by the red 60% platoon or vice versa
ornate spoke
It definitely can't get worse than they are now. 25 players at max in the same time
Good players had a purpose of playing it, the game mode had about as much players as the random mode
Now they're flooded with trash players and tryhards who want some free gold
bleak cliff
Oh I see, so you would go for the gold without trying hard.
Ratings is literally ment for people to try, but there's not much point due to the system in place in terms of incentive
ornate spoke
No I would want an enjoyable game mode, I don't have 6 hrs per day to play ratings
bleak cliff
Ratings is by no means enjoyable for a player that wishes to play casually
Just wait for realistic or whatever other gamemodea come out or just play regular battles
agile sphinx
It can get a lot worse, especially if you put platoons in. Ratings is the step between tournaments and normal games and it is meant to be competitive, if you aren't prepared to put time in then you won't get rewards. If you want to play in a platoon, then just play normal battles
ornate spoke
For some1 who doesn't want to have to worry about stats they were enjoyable, now they're trash and dead
bleak cliff
What?
agile sphinx
Ratings is literally about stats 🤦♀️
If you are using it as a place to play without affecting your WR then you are one of the reasons ratings is dying...
ornate spoke
That doesn't make any sense
bleak cliff
But platoons in ratings ment easier rigging capabilities as well as unbalanced teams and most likely longer queue times for the platoons. It was a good decision to remove them
ornate spoke
Ratings are about what you can do. Bringing a friend along with you negates the point.
bleak cliff
^^
hard chasm
Blaming toons being removed from rating as the reason why you’re done with blitz and that you want a mode where you don’t have to care about winning and stats.... re read that and see how dumb that looks. Btw there are also tournaments you could join if you don’t want to “worry about winning or stats” lol
ornate spoke
so since the rules of rating games do not change, the number of players will be very small still
magic badger
Can we make rating battles for those of us with 10,000 battles or more?
hard chasm
If they make rating battles available for people with 10k+ battles the game mode will become more ded. The amount of rerolls and people who “just started the game” has skyrocketed at-least in the matches I’ve played now.
sand coral
Not that a queue with people that have 10000+ battles only solves anything anyways.
keen canopy
Seeing as how discussion has been about the mode and how it's dying i figured i might as well reiterate why i dont play the mode myself. The only reason that I might bother playing is to snag a mission once in a while.
- Lack of incentive.
- Player toxicity. Open trash talking, racism, bigotry, armchair generals, etc
- Player quality is no better than normal games and may in fact be worse (at least when I've played it).
The only reason why i played ratings before was to farm Sparse Parts in my T-54 since it was an almost guaranteed bottom tier match (killing 2 above tier tanks nets a medal worth an instant 1k SP on top of any other earnings). Now I just see Ratings as a waste of time, personally. About the only appeal i see are for the people who have time to farm points to rank high and for those who want a camo on their tanks. Oh, and tank grinds if you don't want to "ruin" your stats in public matches.
still latch
I play for camos and credit grind and tank xp grinding. Ive used ratings to grind quite a few of my tank lines.
So it has its uses
magic badger
I have no incentive to play ranking matches... but if we made them 10k battles as a mandatory requirement... I would play them when the newbs invade the servers... which is a lot right now.
I am so tired of seeing players with less than 1000 battles playing higher tiers... it ruins the game.
pine falcon
I don't think you understand what consequences come with that. As Moe previously stated on your previous post, a big part of rating players are rerolls who bought a tier 8 premium OP tank and only play rating as they don't want to ruin their 70% wr
tawdry ingot
are we... defending rerolls now?
still latch
Rating matches have a lot of incentives, credit and experience bonuses, no negative career stats, help in grinding the next tier vehicle up and you get some nice camos. They're not useless. And rerolls are there own thing, so meh.
pine falcon
@tawdry ingot I haven't said I am defending them but on the EU server they are about 40% of the rating playerbase
fallen mortar
It's harder to carry in ratings because there are more try hards that want to win and that's fine if you feel mistreated because the enemy got a super uni get gud and become a super uni as well
dark pier
New season hype
mystic dagger
I firgot but what r the gold reqards for top 10
ornate spoke
Hi, I noticed a little problem! I was 8th in the rating and I had to receive 3k gold and I only received 500 gold
@patent pier
restive tinsel
😅
undone python
🤔
undone python
yep
covert temple
Was it always like that? Because last ratings I saw 4th and 5th get 5k
dapper sand
ready to grind to diamond league in a few hours
warm charm
ready to grind to diamond league in a few hours and calibrate at 2k
loud minnow
they only give good gold rewards when they have 2 month seasons @covert temple
spring season and twister season
that's why I usually stop at 5k on 1 month seasons
warm charm
Sad part is that I’ve seen the top 10 so many times, shows how little players ratings has
hard chasm
No, it just means certain people spam ratings for the duration of the season.
warm charm
Even if they do spam I should only see them once on a while, not 3 times in a row
sick dune
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the higher damage you do, the higher your rating will be. Correct?
sick dune
Apparently doing 4k+ every match is only good enough for gold league. 3432...
tawdry ingot
Damage isn't the only stat it accounts for, sdaly
undone python
spotting also
pine falcon
Did anyone here get the new diamond league cammo on Bat Chat. If so can they sent a pic
pine falcon
Thanks mate 👍
stark chasm
Still need to play 50 battles to win the camp?
cinder cargo
Its easy ti get to platinum but to diamond after is unlogical
undone python
yes
stark chasm
@cinder cargo by logic I missed iron 0 to 999
cinder cargo
Well every time after calibration i get to silver and go thro gold no problem but platinum its nightmare as u dont get as much points from wins(often u get about -35 and max ever points i had earned was 30)
Literarly u need to rely on team and u often cant carry the team and u lose points
undone python
im 450 away from diamond
cinder cargo
@undone python u had good calibration or good teams?
undone python
mostly no but u do have do give instructions to ur team,if not they goin be blurr as hell
undone python
i calibrate at 3.7k
indigo mica
Việt Nam ... play
covert temple
I usually get to platinum(4,300) and usually carry my team ;-;
undone python
now im at 4740
stark chasm
Still need to play 50 battles to win the camp?
dark cedar
Ok so who can explain the thing about earning extra credits this month in Ratings???
bleak cliff
That has always been a thing...
The higher the league the more bounses to xp and credits you get after a battle
dark cedar
But I’ve noticed no difference in earning more credits in Ratings... the news was quite unclear are that
Gold leagues : 0-32%? What does that even mean? Is it random??
hard chasm
It depends on how much you do during the game as far as damage, spotting, tanks destroyed I believe.
bleak cliff
I believe after the battle is shows how much you earn extra from these bounses.
dark cedar
I’ve never seen that though, only the extra XP earned. I’ll have to look closer when I get put into a league.
spring lagoon
i have a question what is the most points you can earn/lose in a rating game
ornate spoke
does anybody know why i cant comment on the balance-discussion?
undone python
cuz u got mute maybe
paper jacinth
Did u guys realize, one can check his rating in blitzstars even before calibration is finish
iron zodiac
Can't we get unique 6k camo and avatar? Also
JUST AN IDEA
Make 8 seasons, every season has 40days... then each season has a set of missions you have to complete.
Rating camo and avatar stays the same each season as its now.
But completing 70% of all missions overall and also staying above 4k rating in each season gives you a unique camo, avatar and a tier 6 tank.
And completing 80% of the missions overall and also staying above 5k rating in each season gives you a unique camo, avatar and a tier 8 tank.
And then completing 100% of all missions overall and also staying above 6k rating in each season gives you a unique camo, avatar and a tier 10 tank.
And not stupid missions like at the moment.
Stuff like blocking damage, spotting tanks, damage ratio in meds, accuracy % and even things like capping a base in a heavy or TD lol just something that forces players to play all tanks and not just the same OP tank over and over
undone python
and GOLD
hard chasm
You might as well hold up a sign that welcomes everyone who rigs and give them a hug while you’re at it. The only thing that will catch their attention is the fact it’s a free t10 tank for them since they will just rig their way to the top. Missions specifically for ranked are a thumb up from me but they would have to be thought up of carefully and none of this “td has to cap base” sort of nonsense.
iron zodiac
@hard chasm yeah the mission thing needs some thought. That was just me talking nonsense.
All i can think about is lets say spotting, blocked damage, damage ratio per type of tank maybe? Uhm stuff like capping they will always have in, shot accuracy can be a nice one. I dunno but yeah you have to do both, like 100% missions complete over 8 seasons and 6k each season to get tier 10 tank reward with camo and avatar.
Like 6k rating is for the best of the best i feel
hard chasm
You already get a different camo and ofc you get the avatar of your rank, the tier 10 reward tank is a bad idea. As for the missions I think it would be better for ranked if they had a separate mission log which only worked in rank and if you complete it then you receive keys which you collect throughout the season and at the end you have chests which take different amount of keys to open with some good rewards( no tier 10 tank). I think that’s a step in the right direction and it’ll improve ratings.
iron zodiac
I do feel like the 6k guys needs a league of their own with their avatars and camos being different. But thats easy.
Yeah that keys idea is not too bad, yeah maybe the tier 10 tank is a bad idea. But rewards as in free xp certificates, gold and lower tier prem tanks can work
hard chasm
With time 6k things will come but for now I think that’s not a big deal.
empty lichen
whole rating concept is kind of useless in current meta. Rating is meant to be based on your skill, idea is to separate good players who can use more than two brain cells at a time and let them fight each other. But problem is that every joy average "noob" with 45%+ WR and a lot of spare free time can get to 5k+ rating without any effort. U receive some fancy camo and avatar, u usually see teammates saying "focus player xxx" just because they see fancy diamond league avatar (while there is only deeply average player behind it). Rating battles should be based on long-term battle stats like D/R ration, avg DPM, spot rate etc and players with similar stats should be put together. RN its more about spare free time than anything else
bleak cliff
getting to 5k actually takes effort. and no a 45% cant get there if they constantly play, unless they actually play better than what their stats show
5k takes a decent amount of skill to reach
basing players on their career stast however is the worst idea possible
if a 60% and 60% constantly fight each other, they will end up as both 50%ers. and the rating points is what the whole mode is about so no point bring stats into it
empty lichen
if i wouldnt be so lazy i could post dozen of players like this
and yes, i wanna play with other 67% WR players so i haveto try hard to do my best to outplay them. i dont wanna see E-100 player with 5100 rating sit in a bush in the upper left corner of Canal map and call other noobs (another one example for them all)
late mural
If it's indeed true that 44% players with some stupid noob-camping tactics can get into diamond league, then the rating system really does suck.
I think rating games (above 4k) are pretty hard, but I am playing normally.
restive dawn
How’s camping stupid noob tactic?
glossy raptor
Camping can be a good tactic in some situations
paper jacinth
Wow @empty lichen , so its true. I actually wouldnt mind if WG tunned points a bit to make it harder to go up
desert kettle
To get the camo for the leagues, does it need to be 50 battles in one tank or 50 battles over all of the tiers? I don’t play ratings much so I’ve never gotten the camo before
paper jacinth
@desert kettle dude. Just read the WG news on it. Just bloody read.
fallen mortar
@desert kettle 50 battles per tier so if you want them for T7-10 you have to do 50 battles in each tier
desert kettle
Alright thanks man, funesino that was rude
paper jacinth
I know. Asking others to explain how things work cos one is lazy to do his own reading is quite rude
desert kettle
Just asked a question did not need the salt
hard chasm
@empty lichen that is naming and shaming, you should delete before a mod sees it and muted you or smth
hard chasm
I guess
tawdry ingot
@hard chasm Smart, smart
spice wasp
Hey devs, what happens if you get to platinum and fulfill the requirements for the cammo, but what if your favorite vehicle period in the eyes of rating is a tank which a cammo cannot be applied, ie snowstorm, gravedigger, my guess is that it goes to the next favorite vehicle?
bright bear
I think you just get credit compensation @spice wasp
spice wasp
are you serious
bright bear
I think, I'm not sure if they changed it
hard chasm
It should be on your next most played tank @spice wasp
As long as you have played enough games in the other tank
ornate spoke
1st time making it into platinum 🙂
keen canopy
Congrats.
ornate spoke
Thanks! I'm looking forward to diamond, but not until I get a tank like the IS-4
ornate spoke
Aaannnddd… I'm going to end the night here
hoary garnet
^
soft yacht
If I only have Tier 7-8 tanks, which tanks are best for ratings?
(I'm td player)
restive dawn
tanks you do well in
ornate spoke
@tall radish submit a ticket. Don't call them out here.
ornate spoke
@soft yacht jp, skorpion , su
soft yacht
I don't have Jagdpanther or Skorpion G, and SU 152 in ratings is too weak imo
undone python
ofc itz a tier 7 and everybody is spamming premium 8
bleak crest
@empty lichen what you are asking is impossible. Clearly 2 or more people play this account. The better player is not interested in grinding so he plays only ranked.
dark cedar
im still not seeing where it tells you how much extra credits you earned for the battle 🤷♂️
pine falcon
This rating season is way way way worse that any before
undone python
Asia server is dead in ratings
waiting for 50+ minutes and still cant get into a match.smh
pine falcon
EU - camping and flanking heavies, rushing foch 155s, kamikaze Bat Chats, people who fire HE non stop and most important of all - people drowning/parking against a will and shooting it with HE
undone python
im stuck at 4k9 cuz i cant get any matches
fallen mortar
I guess it's because of the camo that lots of people don't like
undone python
tbh the rating ace camo is nicer than the top notch camo
next gull
You are exactly pointing at an issue of the rating reward : one thing (camo) at the end.
There is no incentive to play throughout the season and to carry on when you have reached the required level (threshold effect).
fallen mortar
for me thats a potential of 750 gold + 600 gold + 540 gold + 405 gold so i cant complain
zealous orchid
its posible to get 155 points in gairing battels ??? WTF! HOW ?? CAN EXPLIN ME WG???
agile sphinx
@soneX___#0448 last battle of calibration
zealous orchid
hm..... but i never see that many points ....
red folio
Maybe if gold went not just to top 10 but top 100
cosmic cypress
Yeah it’s a little silly the relatively low amount of gold that gets handed out. Like imagine reaching top ten and you get like 500 gold?
sharp frigate
Yes, I agree, theres no rewards for playing ratings, it should have significantly higher credit gain (like +50% at diamond, 40% at platinum and 25% at gold) to just get more people an incentive to play.
The additional exp can stay.
Also gold rewards of 500 for top 100, 1000 for top 10, 3000 for 3rd place, 4000 for 2nd place and 5000 for 1st place
Now this is probably way too much to ask but WG please make it happen
tall berry
5000 for 1st place*
keen canopy
What are the current rates per bracket anyways? Too lazy to search it up. All i remember is that it’s low and not really worth the headache of dealing with ranked teams
bleak cliff
Ranked teams are arguably better than regular most of the time
Unless you're playing at tier 8. Then they're just trash. But 9 and 10 teams are good
mystic dagger
Whats the camo we get for the ranks
fallen mortar
You already get up 66% more credits at 5k+
short snow
forced lose by ping ?
restive dawn
Or it’s just your end
crisp jacinth
ratings battles need a rework
ornate wraith
I mean, I calibrated at 2.8k and am at 4.5k atm (granted, im playing mostly t8, but nothing op)
restive dawn
Exactly you can climb up, just spam battles
ornate wraith
well, it also takes skill, a player who is sub 50 won't have much influence on the battle and won't win as often/wont get as much points, so spamming battles won't exactly increase ur rating, they may for a bit but they can't get far
vivid iron
next gull
Lol 125 ping, 40fps (ok, 13%pl). This is standard for many.
sudden edge
but true my game is lagging on 59FPS
bleak crest
Every time the rating gets reset I have to cross the noob sea again. I’m tired of dealing with such players again and again. It just takes the fun out of this game mode.
bleak cliff
Well it's simple, deal with it.
fallen mortar
Calibrate at 4500 as ez as that
restive dawn
Only 4200 im afraid
bleak crest
Then why have a mode if it’s not played nor enjoyable? I’m getting tired of this game as it’s not fun anymore.
pine falcon
I think it is fun ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ornate spoke
Je
spice wasp
@short snow lol, i agree, leopard 1 is so fun
Aslo, 140 is trash compared to the 62a but looks so sleek especially with graphite cammo
river portal
Lol the 140 is not trash compared to 62a
tawdry ingot
No, you're right. The 140 isn't trash, it's just been Thanos'd - That is, snapped out of existence!
Bro, the T-62A now does LITERALLY everything the 140 does, but better. It has a degree more gun depression, it's turret is stronger, it's gun is a light year ahead...
The 140 isn't a tank anymore
dark cedar
When it gets 8 degrees of gun depression then it will render the 140 useless. Currently, I wouldn’t rule it out.
tawdry ingot
Oh, currently no
By the way they changed it to 7 degrees, because apparently 8 was too much
dark cedar
Ohhh I didn’t know about the change to 7. Seven will be nice though! 👌🏻
normal garnet
@tawdry ingot u do realize that update 6.6 hasn't hit yet...
tawdry ingot
I am aware. I follow the open testing
normal garnet
im just messin wit ya
bleak crest
Rating is just as “random”. Teams are supposed to be balanced but they are not. Lots of streaks and 7-0 battles. What’s the point then? It’s just a mode for afk farming credits in premium tanks...
tawdry ingot
And then you get the matches that are literally 3800 average versus 2900 average rating 🤷
ornate spoke
Foches r such a pain in ratings
spark prairie
Foch is good against not so coordinated team and there are lots of them
on 4000 avg of team still contains not so experienced players
quaint thunder
Rating? No. Go seelclubbing with the collector t2s. They love it
warm charm
Rating is just a nice mode for me to grind xp and get a cool camo 🙂
bleak crest
Ratings should offer games at a players level with the push of a button. Then people could have an alternative to random and stop meeting lower ranked players altogether. It’s just that the reset happens way to often to make that feasible. With all ups and downs it’s more games spend among noob teams than having nice balance matches.
bleak cliff
What? What is your logic here? Swap to a different tank and shoot prem rounds? They are in the game for a reason, it is not pay to win to use them
All that I see here is that you are good in the e50 and bad in the Leo and 140
undone vortex
Im pretty sure that there was no logic there. It's just sarcasm and jokes.
undone python
lel
undone python
Bruhh the TOP 2 guy can go into so many battles and I cant.Im just like 60 points more then him
trigerrin me
undone vortex
@short snow ty
@undone python oh no wonder haven't been seeing you increase much F
undone python
ya F
short snow
why it always lag at this time. everyday ???
glossy raptor
@bleak cliff Finally someone who actually understand what prem ammo is
cosmic cypress
He is a pro :/
misty slate
Am I the only one who crash some games in rating ?
zenith trellis
New month, same closing time. Does wargaming ever listen to what the players want? Close an hour later!
maiden burrow
art
lavish bluff
I don’t have any chance that I gotta is the day we can come to pick you guys up tomorrow night or tomorrow or so I’ll just take it off and I will be there in a couple hours and I gotta get it done and I wanna was a way to pick it up I was just going through the stuff that I gotta is a good night I wanna I was just going to come over and pick it up I just wanna is a good day to come get it to me I gotta get you to know what what time would you like us to pick it up I will pick ya kids up at the same time I don’t know 🤷♂️ is the way I wanna I was just gonna was the night I wanna I was just like I gotta is a nice 👍 was the night I wanna I was just like I gotta is a nice 👍 was that I was going to come over and get my car back in the time of my way you come get to me you come get to pick ya guys up and I’ll pick you guys up at five or tomorrow so I’ll be back in the house and pick you up I’ll be there at one ☝️ is a way to pick me up and then I gotta is the time for you guys and you guys come over tomorrow I wanna is a nice
tawdry ingot
@lavish bluff I think y'all got the wrong server, lol
fallen mortar
I think he just spammed autocorrect since it makes 0 sense
pine falcon
He just typed a word and started pressing the first auto-fill word.
fallen mortar
Exactly what I wanted to say and he didn't get muted for it what a lucky boi
hallow iron
cinder cargo
@hallow iron congrats ull get the most stupidest warn ever aka memes in memechat
short snow
ok time to stop playing
cinder cargo
@short snow try to get as much damige ass possiable to reduce the punishment of over 30 points(which is apsurd in platinum)
cinder cargo
Uff well u were dead
hallow iron
@cinder cargo 🤣 👌 couldn't be more on point
cinder cargo
@hallow iron if u get it ping me
hallow iron
Got it
cinder cargo
10/10 rulebreaking @hallow iron
spice wasp
problem with rating battles is that completely new players can play rating with a t10-7 premium, have more qualifications, such as minimum amount of battles, or 1 tech tree t10 tank, or something, my rating is horrible because of trolls on my team who could not care less about ratings because it wipes a clean slate at the end of the season, ratings should be for people who want to play more competitively without taking a hit on their win rate
Honestly, have benchmark achievements, gained 1000 rating points, 500 gold, first t10, 500 gold, or credits as a bonus, but more so in rating battles for obvious reasons, to me, the avatar and cammos are enough, but many people disagree and eventually, maybe my opinion changes, it does not help that you cannot extend ratings more deep into the night, after school ends 3:30 pm, I go to sleep, only giving me 15/20 minutes until it hits 11 and my time is up, extend the time or something, idk
bleak crest
This is a problem because of the frequent resets. I mean if there were 3-4 a year it would work but this is way too often. I usually get into the platinum league and it takes me 2 weeks. So I have 2 weeks to play decent games. It’s not worth it. 2 weeks of weak games followed by 2 of higher quality ones. Not a very good trade.
fallen mortar
well it took me exactly 2 days to get into plat and i wasnt even tryharding nearly got ranked to plat but unfortunately due to a wifi failure i screwed one match and ended up at 3940 on my 2nd acc
bleak crest
It depends on the players available and hours you play. The problem is I get the same players and matchmaking as in “not so random”. 6 players under 5k battles vs 2 under 5k. And that’s being generous because some had just a few hundred battles. How is that supposed to work?
fast fern
I'm only the loser in rating battles with around 2500. Why only me??😩 😩
Trolls in only my matchmaking. Plz nerf. The players do not care about ratings and just decrease our ratings
Please. The players should have their personal ratings, on the basis of their personal score in a match....
bleak crest
I think in rating only winning should count. Players that don’t do anything and stay afk should not get any credits at all. If the team wins only then there should be rewards.
restive dawn
Players have their personal rating that is very little dependant of their teams
zenith trellis
They were both afk, how come the difference in points?
fallen mortar
the dude from L1VE probably had a discconect and due to his high rating he lost less because his rating was probably much higer then the avg rating of your battle
zenith trellis
Ok thanks, avg was 3791 so ur probably right
Glad he was afk btw 😏
bleak crest
Some stay afk to get easier battles for mastery medals. Others just for credits.
iron zodiac
@restive dawn i get you so much in ratings, and get my ass smacked by you, mind if i DM you?
restive dawn
I get spammed already doesnt hurt me too much if you do so too
pine falcon
@zenith trellis it is because the higher up you go in rating, the less points you get from a win and the less points you lose on a defeat. the L1VE guy has a higher rating therefore he lost fewer points
ornate spoke
Done
pine falcon
took ya long enough
short snow
wow
fossil moth
wow how you got 5k? i cant even get 4k
terse falcon
@fossil moth Just play it, it's a lottery. Reaching 5k is not difficult, it is only time consuming.
bleak crest
Exactly and it’s stupid to have to qualify over and over again to reach it. It’s like Groundhog Day.
undone vortex
Yey for once
feral vortex
I dont know.. I tried my best but..This game not working...I think I go hang myself on a tree...
open iron
Bruh
feral vortex
I feel so bad
brisk frigate
this is #rating-battles ,not #my-ratings-mm-is-so-bad
feral vortex
sorry @brisk frigate
covert geyser
I want diamond i have 4750 points
pine falcon
@covert geyser get it this week as after friday everyone, and I mean everyone will be off until the end of the month because of all the holidays. This is your only gap if you want to push 5k.
normal garnet
That’s mm telling u it’s time to stop
tall berry
hmm
fair helm
Lol
quaint thunder
Help!
agile sphinx
The channel name hasn't been changed to #i-cant-do-well-in-ratings my end, must be something wrong because that's what all the messages seem to be about 🤦♀️
pine falcon
Tbh this channel should be closed down. Nothing productive is done here
glossy raptor
Only complaining cuz people cant win
short snow
u need to play in toilet to be invincible
@quaint thunder t28 in ratings ? kidding right. how to win
quaint thunder
@short snow I got some tier 10s, but no E 50 M. Best I can do is T22
undone python
use Batchat
undone vortex
"T22"
covert geyser
@pine falcon i often meet you in ratings. I am Jana_voda75 :D
pine falcon
@covert geyser all I know is you won't be meeting me until the January as I am done for the month. =) But will keep you in mind so I can say "Hello" next time
covert geyser
I try get 5000 and I stop playing ratings :D
fallen mortar
well thats what everyone does xD
zenith trellis
WTF?
bleak crest
Some players are calibrating, that’s why the difference in team rating.
open iron
Why are the waiting times this long
agile sphinx
Look at the 7 players in the queue at tier 8 🤦♀️
If you want quicker games then play tier 10 where everyone else is
bleak crest
It’s not worth playing ranked unless you grind the next tier tank and random takes a toll on your win rate. Otherwise there’s no reason. Teams are just as bad while 0-7 losses are all too common because of the mixed PC and touch queue.
pine falcon
Ah yes, rating isn't supposed to be competitive it is supposed to be for grinding. Hmm interesting logic
misty slate
I feel like rating battle are dead, there is only a few players playing in a compétitive way, teams are not really better than random battle and there is only a few players playing rating....
short snow
@quaint thunder. i don’t mean u should use tier x.
when you lose on one tank 3 in a row. then change tank. it is simple. because at that time. other play play too many tank that overpowered your current tank
for example. when people all play mt. if you use td. you will very hard to win
when people all ( more than 4 same kind in both team) HT. then TD is good choice...
quaint thunder
@short snow the problem I got rn is that I can play T28 Deffender and heavies, but appart from T22 I suck at pretty much any medium and TD
bleak crest
What is ranking supposed to be? Players complained about the low skill level of play so ranking should fix that. But does it really do that? Players still have to qualify after each reset. Every time they have to cross a sea of noobs. By the time that’s mostly over with the reset looms on the horizon. Then again not helpful players are never entirely out of the picture as they still flood battles at times. That’s why I mean there’s little point to it.
knotty bloom
Other than extra bonus credits and xp, and a camo, yeah, little benefit.
undone python
waduhek how
fallen mortar
one of them one the other lost is my guess
agile sphinx
And apparently I have to say it again, this channel is not to complain about random games you didn't win, go post them on your own server because no-one cares
pine falcon
Wow you had a good battle. Yeah no one cares.
ornate spoke
@agile sphinx what he writes interests me but what you write I don't care. he wrote about rating battles and this is the place to do it
fallen mortar
but its not the place to cry about rating MM
and thats been said by mods quite a few time i think
agile sphinx
@ornate spoke His message is absolutely useless, why should anyone else care that he lost a half decent game in ratings? If he wants to put it somewhere then it belongs in #screenshots
ornate spoke
@fallen mortar yes, but if he got 50 points for his battle, that would solve the problem
fallen mortar
sure just dont make anyone loose points anymore problem solved for eveyone and rating is then just another random mode
everyone has loose and win streaks and if you are high enough your players start to get better but thats beyond the 5k i think
ornate spoke
man, he wants to show that the points system works badly, and this is the place for such opinions.
fallen mortar
he got 25 points thats more then enough
ornate spoke
damage 5k and only 25 points, this should be changed
ornate spoke
of course, just write that it's a noob, don't be ridiculous
if you play well you get a lot of points, no matter if you won and the problem of complaining about match making disappears
agile sphinx
That moment you complain about not getting 25 more points when the system literally makes it impossible to lose points if you have half a brain 🤦♀️
wind moonBOT
V1lzu7#5493 was muted
open iron
jeezus why does the MM take so long
legit its taking 10+ mins to get into a match
with like 20 players in the same tier
spice wasp
Bc so little players are playing ratings
hard chasm
Depends more on the time when you want to play rating battles
half sluice
fantastic
brisk frigate
I have no idea how many times this has been repeated, but #rating-battles is not #why-is-my-ratings-mm-so-bad
warm charm
Well that’s the problem with rating battles, they’re basically glorified randoms
wind moonBOT
Pyrrus360#0729 was banned
fallen mortar
The problem with ratings is people go in there with the mindset : imma play with good players that carry me
silent chasm
Yea
heavy pendant
Maybe we should stop giving the option to play rating to those people that have no idea how to play and buy a tier 10 premium. I’m sick of new players coming into tier 10 matches just cause they can buy a tier 10 and play rating without having to get 100% crew or do anything doesn’t mean they know how to play. If your gonna allow people with 100 battles and a premium tier 10 they bought then you might as well just shut rating down. Fix your issues and fix this once great game instead of trying to make a quick buck off everyone.
pine falcon
many many times has it been suggested that some stat limits need to be put on rating but never like NEVER have we agreed on what those limits should be
agile sphinx
WR isn't down to luck 🤦♀️
heavy pendant
It kinda has to do with luck
What I propose is that they don’t allow tier 9/10 collector and premium tanks. They already set a system that makes people have to get to 100% crew and mount top modules(although you can gold your way through that all) they just need to limit the amount of new players getting through that by buying the premiums. I don’t think it’s all about win rate; but they could implement a restriction for military honor(restrict people with anything under 3 stars for things like inactivity in battle, and un supporting conduct).
warm charm
Just have a battle restriction, like 3k battles or something. WR and other stat limitations aren’t really fair, and if u prevent the sub 50%ers from playing you lose like half the player base. Also, calibration should start around last seasons rating, with a cap of 5k or something, really not cool when everyone starts at 3k and ur rating is determined by how lucky you got in those 10 battles.
ornate spoke
players who have an account and premium tanks have preferential mm. ok that's not a problem. but please make match making not add them to the team where they are noobs and get a positive score for 1 shot in a battle. noob in a rating battle, 1 shot in a battle - 50 points, even if his team won the battle.
spice wasp
this guy with a 68 percent winrate had a 800 av dmg, he 1v1 ed me 10, and WRECKED ME, I check his stats, his 3 most played tanks were the m2 light, the ha go, and the t2 japanese tank, with 6k min battles in each,
well played...
his rating was 5000+
warm charm
Someone might be playing for him, or he’s just some meme reroll, if you have 800 avg dmg ur just bad
hexed solstice
It’s probably an old time seal clubber acc
hollow dew
Either that or if you are like me you just played a lot of tier 5 rounds.
hexed solstice
Check his DW2 battles lol that’s how you tell
fallen mortar
Keni otsu for da real seal clubbers pff 😂 and well I'd say there is a problem with the 3k battles solution 1. People with 3k battles still suck ery often 2. I know people below those 3k that only play ratings to keep their 100% Wr but still play decent
fallen mortar
This is not the screenshot channel why can't people start reading
bleak crest
Low win rate players should be getting into the bronze or silver leagues after some battles so platinum players shouldn’t meet them at all. The problem is with recalibration occurring way too often so these kind of players are encountered again and again.
bleak cliff
seasons need to be 2 months. but that as well loses a lot of interest mid and end season
warm charm
Calibration should start around the previous season’s rating, with a cap so you can’t get too high. The main problem is that 95% of the players are 2.8k to 4k, so you get those high rating or low rating matches very rarely.
night galleon
can you fix noobs?
versed ledge
No
night galleon
Can you fix event? is broken
pine falcon
Can you start sending things in the correct chat?
fallen mortar
@pine falcon isn't this the complain about MM chat?
pine falcon
@fallen mortar might as well be called that
fallen mortar
Or please give me more points chat cuz I'm not able to get gud without
bleak crest
Players aren't complaining about matchmaking but because they meet low performing team mates again and again. Ranting battles should put everyone in battles with other players of the same calibre. Unfortunately this is not happening often enough. In addition there's still the problem of some being afk from the start while inactivity votes run out pretty fast.
pine falcon
@bleak crest hahaha what a joke, clearly you haven't witnessed this chat. Also complaining about low performing team mates IS complaining about mm.
fallen mortar
People would also complain if they meet super unicums all the time because they have no chance against them
bleak crest
Complaining about matchmaking means there's some bug in there that creates anomalies but I didn't see that in ranked compared to random. Losing streaks are shorter in ranked, especially when the rating gets higher. The main problem is that no so many players are in the rating queue. This leads to a spread in leagues which leads to mixed leagues teams. This could be addressed by making the mode more appealing to players. The other issue is afk players which is impact rating battles more intense than a random battles. Probably here military honor should work differently. Maybe more inactivity votes or fewer votes needed for a ban. Something of this sort. If these measures are implemented, matchmaking won't have to be changed at all. So the key to the problem is more around the matchmaker rather than inside it.
@fallen mortar players should only meet other players from the same league. Only if they progress they will meet better players. So ideally silver should never meet platinum for example. Also I'm not a fan of the reset. It would be nice to have instant battles at my level anytime.
fallen mortar
So all you care about is winning as you said you loose less but that would mean that the enemy team might have worse players
bleak crest
I don't like losing streaks and low quality game play. I think I actually win less in ranked than in random but I enjoy it more and I believe it should be the future pro game mode in blitz. What I generally dislike is to have a bad gaming session with losses in a row, totally useless players in supremacy mode, the kind that manage to lose a win battles, afks, those sorts of things. I think it doesn't take much to make rating battles a lot better and allow the matchmaker to reach it's full potential. The kind of problems I mentioned can't be fixed with matchmaking.
heavy pendant
Isn’t the point of rating to play with players around the same level as you? Clearly this isn’t what is taking place. If you think people complaining about not being put with players the same level as themselves is not what this chat is meant for then please explain to me what it is for. Is it for talking about how great the system is set up? No this chat is meant for constructive criticism and if you think that silencing complaints about how the system is set up then your wrong.
agile sphinx
Rating is when you are supposed to play with balanced teams based on their ratings, which the system does within constraints of the size of the playerbase. Complaining about bad players or when you don't get "enough" points when you lose isn't helpful at all.
fallen mortar
sending screenshots of things everyone has seen at least 100 times isnt helpful either
ornate spoke
hi
open iron
what are the rewards this time around?
primal bluff
heavy pendant
@primal bluff not the right chat
keen ingot
Imo WG missed a huge opportunity to get people playing the ratings mode. They could have offered 3 clementines for every win I guess. Over time yes people will abandon the mode again. But at least there will be a bigger pool of regulars in the season compared to before.
Also on another point, why did they stop giving extra credits that correspond with your league like before? Only getting more experience isn't as appealing as getting more experience and credits.
wanton whale
@keen ingot Tier 8 rating is popping - easier to find a game there than on regular
fallen mortar
@keen ingot people would abuse that again and farm themselves down to 1,3k rating just for the easier battles
open iron
Yes
desert walrus
😁
iron musk
Congrats
desert walrus
That was calibration 😄 10 battles => 10x victory
iron musk
Damn
I seriously hate mmr of this game I got bad teammates every game so I got into silver....
Usually i am in gold
bleak crest
That's another problem people dislike. From one day to the next you can change leagues. If they reset it that often why not keep players in the league they qualified for until the reset. Then they can be demoted, promoted or kept at the same level. Maybe people would play more. Otherwise they will reach a convenient level and stop until the reset for fear of losing that position.
open iron
Now I’m #3 on the NA server
warm charm
Ive literally just stopped at 4K, you can’t go up anymore cuz there are just so many noobs, every match is a hard carry and sometimes that’s not even enough. Stay away from ratings for now, all you do is lose
bleak crest
Yes but if there were actual leagues then stopping would not be necessary.
warm charm
You mean if there weren’t any retards playing this mode I would have motivation to keep on going
I spent 20 battles today going up 100 rating, that’s literally a 15% wr
silent chasm
Fix plauers
ocean dome
@open iron is your clan Flash Lighting?
open iron
Yes
brave night
@warm charmnot true
silent chasm
fallen mortar
and whats the thing in this for me useless looking picture
bleak crest
@warm charm it’s 15% above 50% cause you won points.
ornate spoke
fallen mortar
Cry 🤣
ornate spoke
fallen mortar
Mimimi 🤣
ornate spoke
Scoring systems should be thrown in the trash and replaced with a completely new one
warm charm
@bleak crest not true, remember that you gain more than you lose, and sometimes you gain on a loss. Usually I gain 30-40 on a win, but lose 10-20 on a loss
agile sphinx
Unless you have like a 30% WR in ratings (which is almost impossible unless you try) you will gain points just by spamming battles
warm charm
I do at least 2k dmg at t8 almost every game and I still have 30% wr
ornate spoke
this is no accident, only a fool can think that. it works as WG wants. only the best players and in platoons manage to escape from the guillotine 50% wr.
pine falcon
@ornate spoke bruh. I ain't good, I rarely play in platoon (except during holidays) and still have 58%wr
ornate spoke
@pine falcon players who have 60% or more are 5% of this game
restive dawn
They gotta do something right then
fallen mortar
If you spam battles you will probably get to 5k even if you are quite bad just use the meta tanks at T8 and your 5k will be reached soon
ornate spoke
yes and 1000 battles during the event
ornate spoke
95% of the playerbase is low iq, and that 95% will always be on your team
ornate spoke
@ornate spoke 95% are beginner players (everybody was once) and players who are without talent. such a life.
warm charm
And out of that 95%, 95% are 8 yr olds begging their parents so they can play wotb on their ipad
pearl cradle
Wg, fix ghost shells omg
acoustic plaza
Fix the broken damage mechanics
fallen mortar
I can hear a warning approaching
zenith trellis
Rating begins to suck again, I quit rating for now before I lose my camo. Thanks Wargaming.
fallen mortar
Dude if you can't keep urself at 4k rating don't complain about WG then it's probably your fault maybe tell me ur IGN and I might rethink my statement
summer shard
What's this, the stats police? Lmao
pine falcon
@summer shard tbh most of the people who don't reveal their IGN are more or less <50%
bleak crest
It seems ghost shells are back. Never had that many in a day.
summer shard
🗿
zenith trellis
Haha, stats police, that’s a good one @summer shard 👍
hot zephyr
ratings is garbage because it gives people points in losses, i dont care if you did 9k dmg and its a loss you should still lose points. Its pretty simple loss = -45 and win +50 points
This way you can't spam battles until you 6k you will eventually hit a certain point where you lose more than you win
wanton whale
Lol - I agree with what ur trying to say but the point gain and deduction shouldn’t be that linear
If u put in a shift u ought to be rewarded for it, especially when the rest of your team are scrubs and did within first minute
Died*
warm charm
And you gain less points as you are higher so unless your willing to spend ur entire life on ratings, you actually have to be good to gain a significant amount.
open iron
kinda funny since there is like 37+ people in diamond rn
ornate spoke
3k gold for 1st , really wg ? :)))
rich cobalt
How is this posible?
brisk frigate
Why are you playing tankenstein in ratings
restive dawn
Their 10th game in the calibration
ornate spoke
@rich cobalt is calibrate
minor meteor
First place
ornate spoke
😄
ornate spoke
ornate spoke
@minor meteor congratulations on the first place. If we see your stats 50% wr and over 700 battles is evidence that the scoring rewards active players. so any noob who plays 1000 battles has a chance to win the diamond league ;/ 1-3 places are 700-800 battles, how much is it per day?
normal garnet
Yes it’s normal @ornate spoke don’t ping WG developers if u have a minor question. It matches you with people ur rating, so it takes a long time
ornate spoke
Today I waited an entire hour to get me into the match
@normal garnet
this is due to the extremely small prizes, there are not enough games in this game mode, but those from wg are not interested
3k gold :)) good reward
@normal garnet mm does not match players based on ranking. waiting times are sometimes long and players keep getting warm because rating battles are not popular
ornate spoke
...
grave harness
I wish ratings was always available, I have to wait till 8pm to play and I really want to get to platinum for the nice camouflage :p
misty slate
It become impossible to play rating these days...
open iron
no not really
ornate spoke
31 dec.
steady drift
Is it good?
ornate spoke
Never be better than 5000 to much noob playing xd
ornate spoke
@clever wasp in English
bleak crest
If no other players are available, who should you play with? It’s either those gold league ones or no battle at all. This clearly shows the current format has reached its limit. A new concept is needed.
clever wasp
@ornate spoke I just spam autocorrect, idk what i said.
wind moonBOT
Over_5000#1236 has been warned.
barren grotto
You got to wait on the NA server longer than on the EU server. WG should merge the NA server with another one.
19 minutes, what a joke!
ornate spoke
Having less than 55 wr in ratings and getting to diamond means that u r probably a no-life spammer
ocean dome
@ornate spoke how is that so?
restive dawn
And 55's arent?
restive dawn
gold leaguers get an avatar, plat leaguers get an avatar and camo, diamond leaguers get an avatar and another camo
little blade
so silver doesnt get anything ?
viral yarrow
XD
fair helm
Bronze should get an avatar, it’s an achievement for getting that low ranking
ornate spoke
Lmao ^
upper blaze
HI. When do we get our rewards for the November 2019 ratings season. I finished in Platinum and did the minimum of 50 battles required at each tier to get the special camo
fair helm
zenith trellis
Why does everyone start off so low?
I mean, look up here, he is a good player but starts at 3300
fallen mortar
^ i must agree
lilac thistle
I started 4000. Somehow got to 4600 playing 183s etc
wise cypress
wer deutsch hier ?
ornate spoke
I can't wait for rating to be over. I want my platinum camo
fallen mortar
After that thing I'm ashamed being German I apologize for the poor thing that can't read that this server is english
edgy wigeon
Is there any way to see how much i spent on game total?
restive dawn
blitzstars shows your total time spent in game
edgy wigeon
Sorry, i meant 💰
ornate spoke
Walla pls german
edgy wigeon
Btw i dunno how im wrote it to this chanel
balmy hollow
If you are playing on Android u see money spent in play store
bleak cliff
All that I see is your team got steam rolled and you doing 1 shot of damage before dying. This happens to everyone get over it. You love it when you're on the winning side and hate it on the losing.
zealous orchid
Its not about how many i do dmg .... look how many point have lastest player
restive dawn
doing it on purpose
runic copper
i would pay money to keep idiots out of my rating matchmaking.. i just want to play with people that use their brains.. it's the worst insult for people who actually want to enjoy this game and put so much effort into the game only to be paired up with idiots teammates.. over 4000 points shouldn't be paired with under 4k.. under 4k = bad players
and I don't care if i have to wait 10 minutes or an hour for a match just for over 4ks only
bleak crest
Yes, they have to establish leagues that don’t interact in ratings. That’s the only way. First they need to get the number of players that will make a league feasible when it comes to waiting times. Let’s say 4K . So the top 4K players will be in that league with the bottom 500 being relegated after a season while the top 500 of the lower league will progress. Thus the noobs will be out of the picture for the top players. Problem solved.
runic copper
who are we kidding? no wg devs or staffs reads these suggestions... they simply don't care.
i think i'm just gonna uninstall this game.. blitz is too unplayable.. i rather just play wot the pc version
undone pulsar
@runic copper there’s a difference between reading and acting. Devs read things on this server
dark ridge
Hey, can I find somewhere camos for december 2019 ?
dark ridge
. . .
minor meteor
same as previous event
dark ridge
kk
normal garnet
Can this mode be restricted until a player reaches a certain peak in their 30 day statistics?
ornate spoke
hi, this December was my first season playing in rating battles, can anyone tell me approx when will the camouflages and avatar be awarded ? 🙂
torpid walrus
right after december, give or take a few days
drifting cedar
At 4k raiting and people still go A in canal?
ornate spoke
@torpid walrus thank you 🙂 can't wait to have the 4k camo for 2 of my tanks
torpid walrus
np
sharp path
@ornate spokeAfter the last day of the ranking battles u get the avatory of your leage and a camo on the tanks each tier u played the most(50+) depends on your league
robust yoke
I wouldn’t mind waiting longer if I’m in the same range. But having 4K+ and entering in teams with people less than 2k or around is awful
And there are players who enter rating just to develop their tanks as that doesn’t affect their statistics. MM should let more than 500 points difference but .... we all suffer
pine falcon
@robust yoke you do realize you can't play rating battles with stock tanks
robust yoke
Playing with top modules mounted but working on the exp you need for the next level without impacting the win rate
agile sphinx
You can't play ratings without 100% crew 🤦♀️
robust yoke
Sorry you’re right 😉
I meant lower tiers that are maxed but you grind for the next one. Apologize for putting it wrong
ornate spoke
Can one of y’all show my 62a with 5k ratings camo? Thanks
dark knot
@knotty dragon
rotund flax
So I will have 5k camo on Patton, even if I want him on stb1. Sad we can’t choose
restive dawn
We can, just play the right tank
ornate spoke
@sharp path thank you ! @robust yoke it did not seem to me all that bad if people use rating to do some of the grind, the only way they could remove that possibility without restricting this game mode to T 10 would be to only allow vehicles that have elite experience - that implies that the next tier has been researched, I think - but that seems a bit excessive to me. I mean i did some of the grind with the Panther 1 towards the panther 2 and I gained about 500 rating points in doing so ... but restricting the MM to playing only in your league or within a +/- 500 rating points bracket would make more sense to me
runic copper
Average damage under 1.5k? Accuracy under 75%? Winrate under 50%? DO NOT PLAY RATING!!!!!!
robust yoke
@ornate spoke Thank you for your opinion. And supporting the idea for + / - 500 rating points margins
frank stump
Will rating camos be given according to final rating or the highest rating during the season?
worldly zodiac
Final @frank stump
drifting cedar
Do i get the rating camo on one or all vehicles that i have played in ranked?
pine falcon
No
drifting cedar
Yes thank you
minor meteor
First place
pine falcon
Love how you get the cammos and avatar immediately when the season ends. Great improvement
tribal lynx
Yea
warm berry
@pine falcon Agree
iron zodiac
Anyone that has any rating camo on the stb, please DM me
glossy raptor
I got the old 5k rating camo on it but not the new one
ornate spoke
camo flex
late mural
@iron zodiac
old rating camo on the STB
stable hound
New rating camo flex
iron zodiac
On stb plz lol @stable hound
Best camo is the old 4k tbh
stable hound
True
iron zodiac
But the one you got on leo1 does look good on my jg pz e100
ornate spoke
@stable hound nice flex
stable hound
😅 👍
tribal lynx
@stable hound looks nice on the Leo
stable hound
@tribal lynx Yea? I find it much better on the FV215b
tribal lynx
Okey yea it’s give much tanks where it’s looks great on I want it next month on the wz 121
@stable hound
stable hound
Nice and good luck
tribal lynx
Thx you too
lean karma
what are the rewards for rating?
drifting cedar
Camos and an avatar. But if you are top notch then you could compete with the gold reward. And you make more credits and xp as you go from gold to platinum and diamond (you only get camos from platinum and diamond)
karmic mulch
U need to get camo only when ur tank is 50battlew
ornate spoke
and 4k rating
wary beacon
(Sorry, my english is not the best - hope you understand my intention)
How to get more players into rated battles?
First of all improve the system of points you get after the battle.
I would recomment to see every finished battle as a draw.
Now the 3 players which contributed more for their teams receive more points. The last three players get negativ points. The middle one gets 0 points.
For me the problem in rated battles is, that it doesnt matter which league you are playing, you get the players with around 2000 points in team. Thats because way too less players play rated battles.
Second I would give the players back the chance to grind their tanks in rated battles (Doesnt touch me - I am through the whole techtree).
Your thoughts on that?
warped ferry
no because its working...and you should know that players with week stats have better rng 🙂 (said that one of the supporter )
you say it's unfair ... take into account that this whole game is unfair because it is based on the set rng ... and the errors in this game are still the same for 5 years (Maybe mute me because i said truth haha)
wary beacon
@warped ferry I am with you and your view on that. Same impression here (sometimes)
I am just trying to find a few good reasons to bring MORE players to rb
warped ferry
They dont fix it because they care only about money they dont care about balancing or deleting bugs
wary beacon
Maybe a question about priorities 😉 But I share your frustration
I just dont like to get only 2 or 6 points after a battle in what a 40% N... had the battle of his life
warped ferry
Dont write too much cuz they will mute you when you say too much uncomfortable informations
wary beacon
XD got it
ornate spoke
@warped ferry that's not true. You get muted for being rude or cursing.
warped ferry
hmmm why i got rude think....maybe because this game is still in disarray after 5 yeras...
ornate spoke
But for the record your whole rigged matchmaking / RNG theory is absolutely false.
wary beacon
Maybe EVERYTHING will be better if WG adjusts some things in rb. I cant stop hoping
warped ferry
What are you talking about xD one of the WG support wrote that to me (in different words but the same)
ornate spoke
@warped ferry yeah I'd love to see that.
Proof please.
I've had long discussions with WG about MM and they never said anything of the sort.
warped ferry
it is in polish but give me a sec...not mine ss but from my clanmate
wind moonBOT
XCCMT01 | Thomas [FUZ]#6302 has been warned.
wary beacon
haha
warped ferry
Told you xDDDDDD
ornate spoke
Don't curse here.
I'd like to think you could make a point without cursing ¯_(ツ)_/¯
@wary beacon try again
wary beacon
XD
warped ferry
Everybody knows that but its starting to irritate to have same bugs for 5 yeras 🤔
wary beacon
If kids are on the keyboard XD IMPROVE something in rb. Its "not good" like it is actually
warped ferry
only GOOD PLAYERS with 40wr and boosted accounts enjoy this game xD
ornate spoke
"everybody knows"... So now you are speaking for everyone
umbral cave
Whats happening ladies and gents
wary beacon
I am still enjoying it (most of the times). I just want to give some input how it could be improved to have more fun
ornate spoke
If they were good players they wouldn't have 40% win rates.
warped ferry
you're overinterpreting now...
ornate spoke
And your making stuff up
umbral cave
Youre*
wary beacon
My intention was NOT to open a flamewar. Just wanted to have your thoughts about "how to bring more players in rb" 😉
warped ferry
ok so now explain to me...Player with around 60wr have worse rolls (damage/penetration) than 40wr why or how ?
and I do not speak as a group only among personalities
bleak cliff
Sorry, so now your argument is rng based for players with different winrates? Am I reading this right @warped ferry
wary beacon
For sure, WG wants to motivate low-WR-players to stay in the game. RNG is part of it. But that doesnt answer my question "how to get more players in rb" 😉
ornate spoke
RNG affects us all equally
umbral cave
Who else is just watching this unfold 🤦♂️
warped ferry
For me yes...Player who dont know how to click left mouse button will hit you for (example is7) 527 or more than avg and you will hit him with lower rolls
agile sphinx
Theoretically players with higher WR will have slightly higher average damage as players with more battles will generally be better and will also have higher level crew skills including the max roll skill...
warped ferry
@agile sphinx i know that and i dont mean perk with max roll...i mean that "bots" have better rolls than better players
wary beacon
Possible to come back to the point "how to get more players in rb"?
ornate spoke
Make better rewards.
warped ferry
fix matchmaking lol
agile sphinx
It you genuinely think that WG is desperate enough to make better players RNG worse to encourage noobs to keep playing you are a lost cause. Go get some data from your own battles and prove yourself arong
ornate spoke
They have a patent for a vibrator as well. Just because there is a patent doesn't mean the item is in use. @wary beacon
wary beacon
YOU know it 😉 Got it 😉
warped ferry
@agile sphinx
in general I would not be surprised
ornate spoke
This isn't a matchmaking complaint channel. Move on
wary beacon
I am NOT complaining about MM 😉 Read my messages 😉
i am just asking "how to get more players in rb" 😉
runic pollen
Problem uptieru niestety zależy od wszechobecnego RNG, jeśli w danym momencie w lobby graczy oczekujących na bitew znajduje się więcej wysoko poziomowych czołgów nie będzie zaskoczeniem jeśli będziesz trafiał na dół listy. 😦
(translating) The uptier problem, unfortunately, depends on the ubiquitous RNG, if there are more high-tier tanks in the players awaiting battles at the moment, it won't be a surprise if you hit the bottom of the list. 😦
wary beacon
And meanwhile I am asking google for the translation of "Blockwart"
runic pollen
Witaj Dowódco Krecik1804
Dziękuję za ponowny kontakt z działem wsparcia gracza Wargaming!
To prawda, osoby o zdecydowanie gorszych wynikach niż średnia serwera są w pewien sposób łaskawiej traktowani przez system losowania do bitwy. Gracz Ci jednak muszą osiągać niemal zerowe wyniki przez dłuższy okres czasu by trafili od swojej własnej oddzielnej kolejki.
W momencie gdy Ty sam osiągasz po 4 tysiące obrażeń co bitwę raczej tam nie trafisz. Co do reszty Twojej drużyny to ich słabsze osiągi mogą być tylko chwilowe, Ty sam z pewnością nie zawsze kończysz grę z wysokimi wynikami.
Jeśli masz więcej pytań nie wahaj się z nami skontaktować.
Powodzenia na polu bitwy!
Pozdrawiam,
(translating)
Hello Commander Krecik1804
Thank you for contacting Wargaming Player Support again!
True, people with significantly worse results than the server average are in some way treated more kindly by the battle draw system. These players, however, must achieve almost zero results for a long period of time to hit from their own separate queue.
The moment you yourself get 4,000 damage per battle, you probably won't get there. As for the rest of your team, their weaker performance can be only momentary, you certainly do not always end the game with high scores.
If you have more questions, don't hesitate to contact us.
Good luck on the battlefield!
Regards,
wary beacon
👍
runic pollen
so if the uptier problem depends on RNG and next he said that the worst stat players are treated more kindly by the MM = treated more kindly by the RNG
idk what is going on
agile sphinx
@runic pollen The very very worst players are put in their own queue to stop them ruining everyone else's games exactly how WG announced. It is nothing at all to do with RNG 🤦♀️
runic pollen
yes THE VERY VERY poor players are put there when they get 0 in a series of battles
warped ferry
@agile sphinx ok so tell me how i have 37wr players in my team..its quite impossible to get into own queue
agile sphinx
Because they aren't bad enough, it is only for people who consistently do absolutely awfully over a series of battles, it has been explained before
runic pollen
they have to be handicaped to do such series of battles LOL
and they wont so they are still in the better MM
warped ferry
they arent bad enough lol so i need to have 29wr to get into different queue ? ok xD
agile sphinx
It's almost as if that was exactly what WG said when they announced it, it won't remove bad players it will just pick out the absolute worst of the worst 🤦♀️
Funny how the tin foil hat club don't seem to be able to read very well
wary beacon
And whats about your thoughts of "how to get more players in rb"?
ornate spoke
Now that we have put a bow on this one let's move on.
I already said. Make the rewards better. But realize that with better rewards comes players you may not want in ratings.... @wary beacon
wary beacon
As longs as you dont match players with around 2000 with players which have 3000+ 😉
warped ferry
@ornate spoke my mate gave you an answer about rng for noobs upper
ornate spoke
I saw. That isn't RNG. That is the revised mm system on EU and RU servers.
wary beacon
Thats the main issue. Not enough players online. So the MM has to match them anywhere. If there where MORE players on rb, it would be well balanced
ornate spoke
@warped ferry this is a Q&A I did with RibbleStripe.
http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/86788-official-matchmaking-discussion-thread/#topmost
There is your answer.
If you don't believe me look who last edited the opening post.
wary beacon
Have to log off now. Have a good night all together. Maybe there is some input to my thoughts about "how to get more players in rb" tomorrow 😉 😉
ornate spoke
drifting cedar
If wg would put better rewards (like a small amount of gold, credits, free xp or something else) believe me rb would become way more toxic ect.
runic pollen
this is supposed to show my battles today. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WIN BATTLES WHEN I DO 3/4K AND MY TEAM DOES LESS THAN 1000 DMG
drifting cedar
Carry harder
ornate spoke
Do more effective damage.
wary beacon
Thats where all starts. And now the 40%-player in red team has the battle of his life. What do YOU get after a ranked battle if the red team wins? Way to less IMHO
warped ferry
wow Posted 18 October 2017 - 12:21 PM latest news...
drifting cedar
In my opinion wg should improve the point system so that if you do like 4-5k dmg you should get more points than 1-5
ornate spoke
I'm dead serious. Farming damage without taking red guns out of the game gets you nowhere fast. If you want to win you need to kill the red tanks faster than they kill yours. It isn't about farming damage. It's about using your teams HP more efficiently than the red team uses theirs.
drifting cedar
The most i ever got from a loss was 11 points and i did around 5-6k in tier 9
wary beacon
@ornate spoke serious?
ornate spoke
@warped ferry updated Feb2018. Like it or not that is WG telling you how the MM works.
wary beacon
@ornate spoke thx for the advice. Blitzstars tells the truth 😉
drifting cedar
Yes well kills should be rewarded some how in a way that it doesnt encourage just kill stealing
warped ferry
lol 33wr on Ho-Ri maybe do more effective damage :reverse_card:
ornate spoke
Are you trying to stat shame me?
wary beacon
Nope
But is YOUR ADVICE is meant serious for the reward system of ranked battles like it is actually?
warped ferry
nope
I just wanted to show that text is working both ways
ornate spoke
And you picked a tank I can't discuss to call me out on. Good move
wary beacon
Is it a good tank?
ornate spoke
I can't discuss it
warped ferry
but this is not the subject of this discussion
wary beacon
@ornate spoke me dont either
ornate spoke
No it's not. And neither is matchmaking. Time to drop it
warped ferry
I have second question...Rating battle i have 5k points (mm+-1000points) yes ?
so how i can get players with 2000points in my team...
wary beacon
I always stop at 4000. I am too old to go further. not good for my bloodpressure
just want to have the cammo on several tanks
drifting cedar
Last season i started grinding rb to get dem camo but i started way too late as rb ended 3-4 days after got only to about 4.4k
warped ferry
imo everybody can get 5k lol just play... points on rankeds doesnt showing your skill
wary beacon
Maybe I take some pills and try to go further. Tired to see players with around 2000 in my team. Lost with 1st or 2nd place in my team and get minus rewards
drifting cedar
Tbh i havent seen a single bad player in 4k raiting
warped ferry
XD
drifting cedar
Unless the average is below 4k then there is a few... Not so experienced players
wary beacon
@ornate spoke do you have a connection to WG instead of beeing a moderator in this chanel? Is there any idea how to improve rb?
Continuing tomorrow. I really have to log off for now. Have a good night
warped ferry
gn
drifting cedar
Gn
ornate spoke
I've said it twice now. Better rewards
summer shard
I think WG should experiment and replace standard battles with rating battles for an update of two, just to see how it would work out with a bigger number of players (especially the average rating for the whole playerbase), I think it would be very interesting
Kinda like how they did it with the +2/-2 and +1/-1 MM some years ago.
ornate spoke
must necessarily increase the prizes
stark perch
Better rewards for ratings pls
cosmic cypress
Isn’t the reward for 1st place like $10 in gold?
rancid dune
I do like my rating camo:
bleak crest
Rating battles definitely needs more players and the good news is they are already in he game. After battles I usually check stats and browse the clan information. Amazingly there are a lot of players with above average stats that don’t play ratings. Rewards could have something to do with it but there must also be some frustration as in my case when low performers lose the battle, especially in supremacy. So instead of removing the worst performers from the bottom why not take the best performing players and give them their own league with better rewards? In this way they will not meet players that are not very helpful and the rest of the player base will get more manageable opponents. Unfortunately I see more and more battles decided not by the best players but by the worst doing the usual stuff like staying in the open, going alone against more tanks, not stopping for cover. So the team is down 2-3 players in under a minute or 2. This can’t be fixed neither by RNG nor matchmaking. Next battle the same happens on the enemy team. The result is largely decided by how long the worst players remain in the battle. When this happens a few times in a row usually people get frustrated and stop playing ratings.
molten whale
I dont think good players dont play ratings bcuz of having bad players on their team, they have that in random battles anyways, i think its the fact that rating battles has low rewards and those rewards are for those who can play the most games rather than whos the most skilled coz the point system is too lenient to the losing team
Giving points to the top dmg on losing team promotes selfish gameplay so ppl r who r smart know they just have to dmg to keep going higher
Also giving too many points to the bottom players of the winning team is also bad in my opinion
wary beacon
OK, actually we have worked out 2 points
- Better rewards (when? Only at the end?)
- Improved point system
(Have you ever seen how the points are calculated in ranked battles if its a draw? Thats IMHO nearly the way the points should be calculated after a battle) - Anything else?
ornate spoke
for nothing we strive to win as much as one month if the prizes are extremely small! A player probably invests 100 euros a month, and they give a prize of 3k gold, what a joke
they simply do not strive to thank the community, I wish they would not be interested in just making money!
For example, the rating season (December 2019) I offered 10k gold to a Romanian player 🇷🇴, who took 1st place in the rating, I organized a kind of competition only for the Romanian players :) I offered this money from my own pocket and I had an incredible satisfaction when I saw what good players I have in my country
wg people have to do something for the community, otherwise many players will lose
bleak crest
Changing the point system is always tricky. If wins are rewarded then good players will complain when having a great battle but losing due to team mates. If individual performance is rewarded then there will be a lot of selfish gameplay. Currently there’s an emphasis on individual performance which makes battle winning actions like distracting the enemy team not worth much.
ornate spoke
it is ok to evaluate the points at this moment!
next gull
I believe rating points are based on base xp. I do not see how it could be more fair. It balances damage-kills-assistance.
To me the rewards should be distributed across the whole season and not as end point. Of course, there must be something special for the top players. But this concerns 3-10 players.
If we want more players in ratings the interest must be maintain for all at all time.
ornate spoke
@next gull ofc
hollow night
"distracting" the enemy team is meaningless
bleak crest
It’s meaningless in terms of xp awarded for it but it turns the battle around. It makes heavies get out of position, other tanks taking up the chase, TDs turn. It does a lot but no direct damage so it doesn’t count.
pallid arch
@hollow night then why do people play light tanks?
pine falcon
To spot the enemy and flank... @pallid arch
pallid arch
And what does a lone flanking tank do?
pine falcon
Quite a lot actually.
pallid arch
causes a distraction
pine falcon
Nope. Heavies are the ones who are frontline and" distracting" the enemy because they have armor
pallid arch
When I am a heavy and an enemy type 62 is to my rear I tend to have to turn my gun away from the enemy heavies to deal with it.
pine falcon
In my experience very rarely has a flanker been noticed. Take it from a guy who only plays lights and meds. Also if your team gets flanked, it is most likely the enemy will push forward, not addressing the flanker
pallid arch
Not addressing a flanker is an instant loss
pine falcon
And guess what, if you turn towards that type 62, atleast 2 or more enemies will turn towards you because you are now susceptible as you have turned your turret away. And what would you rather do, have one tanks shooting you up the ass or two tanks shooting you
Ah and also this, how do flankers get the most damage (most of the time)? Because they are shooting rears of tanks, which are distracted by heavies or heavily armored TDs (like t95)
restive dawn
Flanker is an instant loss if u somehow fail to do it
bleak crest
Sometimes they do turn and it’s better to shoot 2-3 tanks instead of the same one. Teammates will have a field day but you won’t do that much damage with more tanks watching out for you. These types of situations are not really rewarded unless you also spot.
mossy badger
@bleak crest cuz it can’t be rewarded. What is the algorithm for that? Not possible without humans watching and evaluating every single game
hot zephyr
Ratings doesn't really reward extreme skill. Rather it rewards moderate skill and battle spamming. Stop giving points in a loss
bleak crest
@mossy badger exactly, so that’s why victory needs to be rewarded but afk players excluded which isn’t very hard cause distance travelled, ram damage and overall damage are being tracked. They should get 0 points .
subtle fern
AFK players should simply get a -100 deterrent if distance travelled is zero
mossy badger
@bleak crest you do realize its been worse at season 1 right? afkers won 40 points if they won, the same points as the people who carried. Right now they are barely awarded anything at all anyways and is already pretty balanced