Is it worth it to save up for a low tier premium tank?
#vehicles-discussion
solid gate
lyric oriole
Nothing lower than tier 5, Anything lower makes hardly any money and isn't that fun to play
solid gate
What are some good tier 5-7 premium tanks then?
inland ivy
Great premiums include Cromwell B, Rudy, Excelsior, help me i forget most of them
gentle wasp
Bromwell, IV S, D-Max for t6, Rudy, E25, Type 62 for t7
solid gate
Should I save up for the excelsior then?
gentle wasp
not too familiar with t5 but it seems like one of the stronger heavies. I know Mayo is a big fan of it.
solid gate
I'll save up for it then.
lyric oriole
The gun Handling on the Excelsior is atrocious but the Armor, the DPM, and mobility far make it up
solid gate
So it's a brawler?
lyric oriole
The better of the tier 5 Premiums that are in the Tech Tree is: Excelsior, SU-85i, and Matilda BP.
Out of the tech tree Ram II, Angry Connor, and Nightmare.
Excelsior is an extremely aggressive heavy tank, (don't yolo obviously) don't be afraid to push up on medium tanks, and take some hits.
The sides are technically only 38mm BUT... I'll show you what the actual thickness is
gentle wasp
sideskirts
lyric oriole
It has 31mm on the sides + 25mm side skirts, and 20mm of tracks in some places
inland ivy
Least the gun handling on teh exclesior is better than T1 Heavy
lyric oriole
It's a hidden 76mm of side armor that will pretty much stop HEAT, and block some armor piercing at seemingly random times
fluid sand
Excelsior is irritating to fight cuz of its insane armor layout, they only part i could pen with nightmare prammo is the turret
solid gate
I can fight against it with pz 4 g
solid gate
What is the best tier 8
gentle wasp
Emil 1
shell plover
Emil 1
next solstice
The better Amx 50 100
balmy wagon
AX better than them
gentle wasp
Not even close
balmy wagon
Pew pew gun, i don't like autoloader
gentle wasp
Personal preference doesnt make one tank better than another
balmy wagon
Yeaa, It's just made me play better on them, not the tank is better, different playstyle tho
gentle wasp
That is fair
peak cloak
I used to play the shit out of t 34 2 and have like 4k games on it but I remember people always called it mediocre and haven't played it in a year so is that still true ?
grand linden
its okay fun but porwercrept for sure
candid harbor
nah, most people consider tank to be good if it has some stupid level of balancing
t 34 2 is fine tank, definitely play it with 122mm gun not 100mm
(no harm in trying tho)
peak cloak
I see has it been buffed or nerfed lately ?
candid harbor
haven't been touched
peak cloak
Nice
solid gate
WG should put E25 back in stores
candid harbor
nah it is more of a exotic premium
wait for it at black Friday or Christmas event
solid gate
Yeah your right
solid gate
crusader is a light tank but has better pen than Pz IV G which is medium...
gentle wasp
It’s a British light thing
kindred kite
how do you use the IS-3 Stock
solid gate
in hulldown, reversesidescripping in city or to block meds at hills
what do you think about AMX M4 Mle 54?
kindred kite
when i mean stock i mean i cant pen anything with APCR
solid gate
oh
gentle wasp
Play the game modes or use free xp
solid gate
if you can't pen, try to track or go at meds side
kindred kite
ok sooo how do i do that when im the slowest thing on the battlefield
solid gate
don't worry, meds are always fighting and it takes time, so you have the time to arrive and to make yourself the frontline, so meds will help you. If you can't pen meds to, tracks them, your team will focus the ennemi tracked and you will won exp for helping them do damage
gentle wasp
Collector. Former tech tree tank, removed in 5.5.
gentle wasp
Firefly
pliant viper
Oh
tulip sail
The fact its not actually a sherman V still bothers me
Its a "sherman I hybrid"
Or in non British designation an M4A6 composite
solid gate
I just found this and it could be a good new tank
https://youtu.be/8NX7btiWLa0
No
Kranvagn need 35mk/h topspeed and around 2300-2700 dpm
wise moth
Yeah no..... it'd be pretty broken then
Especially with that much DPM
old lance
Kranvagn need 35mk/h topspeed and around 2300-2700 dpm
@solid gate new premium tank suggestion?
viral falcon
No, it doesn't. Think of it as a hulldown maus. You don't play it for the firepower, and if anything, the autoreloader grants flexibility.
solid gate
1900dpm is just instant lose
I mean t57 has 3000 dpm and maus armor
T57 has terrible armor though
T57 is the most OP tier 10
It’s not at all it’s actually lacking now
Its the reason why i dont play maus anymore
And t34 has 2100 dpm also turret that cant be penned
Also not true t34 fell out of meta years ago because it’s turret became paper
wise moth
T34 turret can definitely be penned
wise moth
Nah, most heavy tank prammo will melt the cheeks, and the cupola is an issue too
solid gate
You mean m6 exp
M6 atleast has frontal armor any shot mostly blocked by the mantlet of t34 will get shot trapped and it’s still 102mm of armor which by T8 standards is now the weakest hull of the tier
wise moth
I mean M26 Pershing
solid gate
Bruh almost no t8 can pen that even with prammo
wise moth
And even low penetration HEAT ammunition like that on the T69 won't have trouble with the roof/cupola
@solid gate I'll go into a TR and show you that T34 gets buttered by tier 8 prammo
solid gate
But that spot becomes smaller when hulldown
It remains the same and the 251 and lekpz HEAT exist
wise moth
@solid gate If you want, I'll show you right here right now
solid gate
Ok
Also he said heavy tank prammo which even has less trouble penning the t34 turret
Uhm I’m EU
wise moth
o rip
solid gate
But i never have trouble in t34 in randoms
wise moth
@solid gate Do u have a T34?
I can shoot up ur turret and with shell marks, you can take a picture
solid gate
@wise moth I don’t have one anymore I have the lekpz and E75 for penetration comparison though
wise moth
@solid gate
You can see the penetration holes on the cheeks, area above the mantlet, and the cupola
solid gate
That an t34 penning an t34, with prammo it has like 330mm pen
wise moth
If you look closely, you'll notice it's actually a Pershing
solid gate
And t34 can just wiggle the turret
wise moth
Wiggling in the T34 is a bad idea because it makes the cheeks larger and easier to pen
solid gate
That’s the same issue on m6 exp
wise moth
But anwyay, T34 turret isn't exactly impenetrable. If you want to talk impenetrable turrets, the only one at tier 8 is the standard IS-3
rustic tulip
Whaat? I didn't know the T34's cheeks were that weak. Usually never get penned in the T34 hull down
wise moth
@rustic tulip Yeah, and that's a Pershing too. Tier 9 guns, and tier 8 TDs will laugh at your cheeks
rustic tulip
But I know there was a bug(?) a while back. Ammo goes straight through the manlet and you get penned
viral trellis
I fell for the T34 on sale and people pinch my cheeks all the time 😔 I don't drive it much anymore because I'm not very good at heavy
solid gate
It’s not that good anymore anyway get an IS3 or IS5
wise moth
@rustic tulip Wasn't a bug, it's just that there's 0mm of primary armor behind the mantlet, although I'm not sure if WG decided to stealth buff that like on the M26 and T26E4
solid gate
That from short range tho on longer ranges good luck penning t34
viral trellis
I like the flexibility of medium tanks more anyways, so if anything it's a nice collectors item
I think the only heavy I've ever really enjoyed was the ARL 44
solid gate
Again cherry picked situations rarely will you ever engage a t34 at range and if it’s hulldown any player with somewhat of a grasp would already know that
rustic tulip
@wise moth "Bug" because I'm pretty sure it isin't intended
wise moth
Nah, it was intended. If it wasn't intended, then they'd just put primary armor behind the mantlet
The 0mm primary armor is supposed to refer to the fact that IRL, there's also 0mm of primary armor behind gun mantlets too
inland ivy
Good luck penning a T32 turret
That thing has more turret armour than most tier 10 tanks
solid gate
How often do you see t34’s turrets getting penned i never see that happen
rustic tulip
@viral trellis What's up my fellow medium tank driver
solid gate
All the time? It’s a well known weak spot
inland ivy
Meanwhile poeple trying to pen T32 turret will suffer
solid gate
I can pen object 252u’s like butter with AP
But i never penned an t34’s turret even with apcr
Yeah because once again even 170-180 pen can punch through the 252U front
Yet everyone complains it has so much armor
And the top hatches of the 252U are bigger than they appear thats because it’s side armor and upper hull armor are difficult to counter
APCR will have the highest struggle against t34 because of normalization although as you just saw positive with the Pershing penned the turret and Pershing is infamous for atrocious pen
Weird
pale mango
hollow notch
@solid gate pershing has great apcr pen, and apcr is what is being shot of the t34.
Correction, pershing has one of the best (3/27) gold pens on tier 8 mediums, and it does not even use heat.
keen escarp
@pale mango them creds tho..
rustic tulip
Didn't even know pershing had such great prammo
hollow notch
Lol
I put cs on for max lolz
@wise moth I dislike your use of finding some of the highest pen guns to look at armor profiles.
wise moth
@hollow notch I only do that for when I'm trying to differentiate between certain turrets.
When it comes to stuff like a T34 turret, the only way to differentiate between it and other strong turrets at tier 8 is to look at the upper end of the penetration ranges. And fwiw, Tiger II is pretty paper to most gold anyway
And there, specifically, I was contesting the claim that T34 turret was invincible
Is it a strong turret? No doubt, but that claim needs to hold against more than just same tier meds with low pen
hollow notch
The fact that it's not an autopen shows that it is really strong
wise moth
And also, remember that while the Pershing APCR pen is pretty fantastic, you're pretty much just beating out the other tier 8 meds, and some tier 8 heavies, as well as tier 7s.
But for the T34, that's only like 2/3s of the tanks it will face, because remember that it also has to deal with tier 8 TDs, high pen tier 8 heavies like Lowe, T34, etc... and tier 9s, many of which are packing tier 10 pen
According to Blitzhangar, compared with other tier 8s and 7s, Pershing is only 35/148 for its APCR pen, and against tier 9s and 8s, it's only 66/118, so there's still a fairly substantial number of guns that T34 can face that will have more pen than the M26. In a world where T34 only fights tier 8 mediums, than perhaps using Pershing APCR would be an unfair comparison, but there are many more guns that it will have to deal with that are not tier 8 meds
viral trellis
@rustic tulip Hello! someone reccomended British so i'm trying out that tree, so far i love the gun handling
queen sable
What’s the best US TD to grind?
viral trellis
i think it's just a matter of choosing turret or casemate
queen sable
I’m currently on the M8A1.
rustic tulip
@queen sable You should aim for the tier Xs. E4's grind is better but it's performance at tier X is worse than the E3
wise moth
@queen sable That's tough
M18 >> M36
T25/2 << T25AT
T28 Prot < T28
T30 >> T95
T110E4 << T110E3
viral trellis
I've got a discount on the Panzer 58 for a few days, can anyone offer an opinion on it?
wise moth
It's not great. The turret is ok, but it's kinda weak, but the big problem is that this is coupled with pretty atrocious aim time/gun handling for a 90mm
rustic tulip
Don't have the T28s but really? The T28 is better? I think more people complain about the T28
@viral trellis It's a premium indien panzer, usual tier 8 style of medium. Low damage, good gun depression and workable turret armor
viral trellis
darn, oh well. the design of the tank doesn't really grab me
wise moth
@rustic tulip They're both really bad, but I find the T28 to be better due to the superior gun, camo rating, and mobility. You do lose the turret, but the turret is a massive liability anyway since it's so easy to pen. And now T28 has the super consumables too
The T28, while not great, fills a decent niche as a mid-long range TD, since at a distance, the camo rating, superior gun stats are nice, and the armor can be hard to pen at range, but the T28 prot doesn't have the gun stats or camo rating to really make it work
viral trellis
if the Valkyria tanks come back some time soon i'd like to get the Edelwiess
strange crag
Amx 50 100 or Emil I?
wise moth
@strange crag It pains me to say this, but Emi I, and it's not really close
Emil I is literally the 50 100 but with all of the drawbacks of the 50 100 (huge size,weak gun depression, weak armor) resolved
rustic tulip
@wise moth Yeah lmao both T28s aren't really too hot right now. I guess it's really personal preference for your choices.
Me literary deciding to grind the AMX 50 100 after Emil 1 releases ; w ;
wise moth
@rustic tulip Relax, the 50 100 is still a great tank, and so is the rest of the line. And I smell a nerf bat hitting the Emil I sometime in the future
rustic tulip
Yeah personally I think the British Light and Emil 1 are a little overcooked. Clip and hide with the AMX 50 100. Thank god for the event, went from stock tier 7 french heavy to fully maxed out AMX 50 100
hollow notch
Personally I really liked the t28 proto. It's really flexible with a very powerful gun.
That was before the heavy hp buffs that I had it though, so now being down 1k health might be only a slight issue
Also, I gotta say relying on camo in blitz is kinda worthless
pliant viper
Is the tiger 131 worth it?
brittle atlas
bruh im going into a crissis, i cant decide what tanks are good for me, i play those that i have but i need something else,
do some british tanks have high pen and alpha damage? perhaps the heavies, or maybe some other line,
pliant viper
British turreted td line is fantastic
Great pen
Super high alpha at tier 9
Ok mobility
All are good other than challenger
pastel drum
lights and meds are the most fun and engaging tanks in the game
brittle atlas
i was looking to get the american t34 bc of high alpha and unpenable turent
pastel drum
t34s turret is no where near impennable in todays meta
hollow notch
Impenetrable, no, nearly impenetrable, yes
shadow vortex
Any suggestions on what Chinese tanks to go for?
hollow notch
The only turds in the Chinese tech tree are the TDs (I'm a td hater) and the is2
gentle wasp
The t6 and 7 tds are pretty good. Don’t know about the rest.
thick otter
bruh , guys help , i can’t do anything with sta-1 , dpm is bad , accuracy is not good , slow a f , and no armor , tips pls . i thought it would fit my play style cuz i love leo 1 but sta-1...
hollow notch
Leo 1 actually has a godly gun. The sta is just meh. Suffer through it. The type 61 is the same thing.
winter quail
imagine wotb adding wheeled veichles and arty
earnest mantle
Type 61 is a rev at tier 9
rustic tulip
@thick otter It's the reason why free exp exists lol, I'd really use this event as an opportunity to breeze through it if you can
austere helm
if i sell my t49 will i have to buy the legendary camo again with gold
candid harbor
no
you only pay gold to unlock camo
it stays unlocked even if you sell that tank
nocturne sage
Is the is 3 still good at side scraping or naw
candid harbor
@nocturne sage it has massive weakspot at side, which any gun bigger than 90mm can overmatch and penetrate
you also can't engage enemies if you are in that position
as your pike flattens out
for reverse sidescraping you need distance from enemy and they still can penetrate through your side if they know about weakspot
viral trellis
The STA's top gun is nice and it's an agile tank the stock grind is just a little blegh
fast compass
It isn't really mobile though
viral trellis
The top speed is low but it has good power to weight
candid harbor
it can get into action in time but can't run away if needed
nocturne sage
So time hasn’t been kind to the is 3 then it seems
viral trellis
It's best to play it peek a boo or as a sniper (if you have the top gun)
candid harbor
is3 always had that side weakspot
players don't know about it and tend to shoot spaced armour which appears penetrateable (when infact has autorichochet angle)
nocturne sage
Aahhh so it’s just the pike nose that time hasn’t been kind too then or has it always weak too
candid harbor
it was mediocre before
still mediocre after armour remodel
viral falcon
It always has been mediocre. It's just the fact that there are more high pen guns among the tiers, and the Is-3 pretty much lost it's fear factor since everyone knows where to shoot, stc. It's still a beautiful tank in the right hands tho.
candid harbor
yea, you need to play it hulldown without gun depression
very lucky based counter intuitive design for this tier
lyric oriole
The thing is, IS-3 is an anti-medium tank for gameplay, it has massive amounts of hit points, and the armor to deflect low Penetration Medium shots in the hull. The gun is punchy and pretty accurate alongside it's mobility.
royal charm
Tips for Tankenstein? Got lucky
hollow notch
@royal charm sell button. It's a smasher that is worse in every way
lyric oriole
Play it more defensively, the SU-100Y gun for lols, the 105mm gun for effective gameplay
royal charm
Im adding you to the block list, Larks.
Also, which gun do you guys suggest?
hollow notch
Lamo blocked for a perfectly true statement
royal charm
I asked for tips, not if its worth keeping
lyric oriole
The 105 offers a way better mantlet that the T29 has so you get a good buff to the frontal turret and slightly more GD over the 130mm.
@hollow notch you weren't helpful to him at all I can't blame him
royal charm
I, for one, never sell premiums, no matter how crappy they are
Plus, we have a daily mission that requires the use of specific tanks. Worst time to sell it IMO
hollow notch
105 is generally the better gun
17 seconds for only 530 alpha really is very bad. And if you do use the 130, spam gold
royal charm
Allright, thanks for the info
harsh jasper
Is this good?
solid gate
it's high tier so it's good
gentle wasp
Yes, it’s an improved T-54
lyric oriole
If you are asking about the tank, it's ok, it's not overpowered but it's pretty well balanced. @solid gate's logic isn't correct.
It trades armor for a better gun, so it's Effectively WZ-120 that's faster but has an improved 100mm
pliant viper
Is tiger 131 worth it?
gentle wasp
No
lyric oriole
I think it's worth it if you want an easy to play premium
gentle wasp
Sure it is cheap but it isn’t a very good tank
lyric oriole
It's actually pretty decent, good rammer, solid gun, strong turret, good mobility
harsh jasper
I see
gentle wasp
Unless you’re a history buff or a collector there is no reason to spend money on an inferior Vk 36
harsh jasper
It’s 12500 for 2 tanks T44
lyric oriole
T-44-100 is just bad
pliant viper
T44-100 is inferior t44
harsh jasper
Damn it’s 10k for T55 alone
pliant viper
Only trash russian tank
No stalinium Armor
Shells not guided by Stalin's hand
gentle wasp
55a is really nice but it is pretty pricey. I would just get the T54 to see if you like that playstyle.
lyric oriole
You trade all of this and 50 hitpoints for useless side skirts on T-44-100
gentle wasp
It’s great against T49s but pretty pointless against anything else
pliant viper
5 degrees of gun dep is pretty much useless
tidal kettle
i have t-44-100 and that helped me get the e75ts with those certifcate in less then a week since many ppl rarely play it so i constantly got like 1st and 2nd class award in most of my match and 2 ace mastery
balmy wagon
T54 first prot worse than those two tanks righ?
tidal kettle
sure it is inferior to the t-44 but i have equipment and perks on it that gets me to deal a bit more dmg at some point
lyric oriole
T-54 Mod. 1 is way better than T-44-100, useable armor for similar mobility
gentle wasp
I would take T44 over Mod1, although they have different roles.
tidal kettle
T54 first prot worse than those two tanks righ?
@balmy wagon its better i would say sturdier turret and better gun i think
gentle wasp
False on both points (compared to T44)
tidal kettle
eh i cant pen the mod 1 most time in training room with my vk72.01k but can with the t-44 so...
gentle wasp
That is a you problem, not a tank problem
balmy wagon
eh i cant pen the mod 1 most time in training room with my vk72.01k but can with the t-44 so...
Huh?
Clearly I'm not gonna choose russian t8 mts as my favourite lol
lyric oriole
Just wait
brittle atlas
damn people out here getting tanks in crate and i be like damn, next large crate in one day and 2hr
languid ridge
I need help deciding!!!
keen escarp
Bruh Maus ofc @languid ridge
harsh jasper
How much credit I need for a tier 10
hushed shadow
6.1 million
balmy wagon
5% disc with clan perks
pastel drum
@languid ridge the answer is obviously maus...
solid gate
Vk72. 01 is better
More pen, more dpm and more frontal armour. Also the pen of maus sucks. With turret it's weakness
viral falcon
I prefer Vk, but whatever suits you.
tidal kettle
I have vk and it’s pretty good
He can do up to 1.2k if you pen in the back side in a vk like the e100
slow hazel
I have never experienced more hell than using the WZ-120
hollow notch
Vk is better? Uhhhhh....
hushed shadow
VK is worse. Can’t angle as well as the Maus
lyric oriole
Vk 72 is arguably one of the worst tier 10s, beyond trash DPM
hollow notch
balmy wagon
More pen, more dpm and more frontal armour. Also the pen of maus sucks. With turret it's weakness
More Frontal armour? Can u shoot that square thing? With that thick track
hollow notch
Maus has much better armor. Not even a close comparison when it comes to armor
balmy wagon
Maus dpm is better tho
solid gate
What tank is the best from game?
tidal kettle
Vk is considered the worst tier 10 heavy but it can be an underdog sometimes
solid gate
Ok
balmy wagon
What tank is the best from game?
@solid gate mts hts lts tds?
slow hazel
Im debating on getting the Vickers light over the Sheridan. Any other opinions on that choice?
hollow notch
Batchat hue hue
solid gate
@balmy wagon it can be everytnig
balmy wagon
E5
hollow notch
@slow hazel Sheridan just because of the alpha
I would say the maus is the best tank in the game. It just refuses to die
balmy wagon
IS 4 for heavies, STB for mts, lts just get vickers, tds 268 or whatever i didn't play tds, im just saying about tier 10
slow hazel
My 70% wr on it agrees. @hollow notch
hollow notch
@slow hazel 70% is rookie numbers
solid gate
ok thanks for the advice
static harness
WT auf is such a skillful tank
totally no sarcasm in there
wispy rain
Wdym? 12.8 cm WT auf does require skill to use, and while the 15cm is more noob friendly it's still not stupid easy to use like the IS-7 line
static harness
well you see
I hate it when a tank goes invisible 150m infront of me in the open while i drive my light
And then still get outplayed because of that stupidly accurate gun handling and rng on the 15cm
viral falcon
Why in the world are you cruising in front of a Wt, with a light, in an open area?
static harness
I was literally in the medium cap on grasfield (covered behind the rock)
He drove in the open stopped and instantly went invisible
Like what kind of fishing stealth device are you using mate
harsh jasper
What is WT?
hollow notch
Tier 9 German paper td
leaden talon
Can I raise a petition to buff the Vindicator and the predator
old lance
vindicator is likely to get a pen buff
small kelp
Excuse me but why the heck do British tank destroyers have more armor than a freaking bulldozer from thousands of years in the future
solid gate
They don’t though
tulip sail
Because the dozer blade isn't hardened steel
small kelp
So it is still super thick
tulip sail
So that doesn't matter it doesn't have much resistance to ap rounds
small kelp
In the actual warhammer lore it is around 14 feet tall
You’d think they would give it more armor to make sense
tulip sail
Not really its a dozer blade ment to push rubble not take a direct shot thats the main armours job
solid gate
Oh he’s talking about warhammer
I mean it makes less sense since warhammer makes everything both tiny and massive at the same time and makes everything super cramped
tulip sail
They also tend to make things just incredibly unrealistic
ancient seal
which is better, italian autos or swedish autos
tulip sail
They both have different roles so its hard to directly judge which is better
ancient seal
kk i love the italians
hollow notch
I'm leaning towards the swedish ones. The armor is really nice
small kelp
Ok looked at the armor of it and it can be penetrated by freaking everything except from an HEP by medium and heavy tanks
royal charm
Italian sides are so easy to get HE'ed
wise moth
I feel like WH40k is just about making everything OP because it's fictional just so that WH40k fans can say their stuff is more OP than other fictional universes
tulip sail
That actually makes more sense then any of their afv designs
solid gate
Only two tanks have HEP at tier 8 lekpz and ru 251 excluding charioteer
lyric oriole
@wise moth it's kinda like the people that play Monster Hunter, where AI abuse without any particular strategy or classes just make it so you fight something with a lot of health and that's about it. They talk about how fun the game is and generally take a crap on other games.
It's not that fun, and there are many games that do it better including MMO RPGs or a game from way back Evolve where a player was also the monster
wise moth
I don't know anything about WH40k, but I just constantly see the WH fandom just dunking on other fictional universes by saying their stuff is more powerful or whatever, and it just bugs me
solid gate
That’s basically it
lyric oriole
There's generally that fandom for every game type, the Sonic Fan base for Platformers, WH40K for Tank/Shooters, Monster Hunter Fanbase for MMO RPGs, and from what I've seen Gears of War Fanbase for Shooters
gray citrus
@lyric oriole Hi I have one question
I open box ı have super conqueror. I dont see legendary camouflage
All camouflage have but dont have camouflage market süper conqueror
lyric oriole
Did you check your inventory?
gray citrus
My English weak sorry
Yes no legendary camouflage. My friend have super conqueror but he is too dont see
spice moon
nice physics WG, lol fix that xd
hollow moth
Interesting fact: WOTB physics are different from WOT, on WOT you can actually flip you tank in 90 degrees only with speed, meanwhile on WOTB it's impossible
spice moon
that why wotb are better than WOT in some light tank, tchh RU 251
cinder cedar
RU is so hard to play in game modes such as uprising and mad games hahahha you turn just a tiny bit and u go into a drift to a 180 facing backwards lmao
in normal games though ru is very fun with its agility and speed and its gun is beautiful with those HEP shells
upper jolt
Type t34 I thought was just gonna be a chinese t-44 but nope it has a PoS cannon and feels like crap compared to ussr version. Is this a light tank in disguise?
lyric oriole
You thought Type T-34 which is a tier 5, was gonna be like T-44?
Do you mean T-34-2?
upper jolt
No I ment t-34
balmy wagon
So you mean T-34?
karmic nymph
You mean the type 34, the tier 5? Or the t-34 1 or the t-34 2
balmy wagon
It's gonna be same with t-34 that uses littler gun
He meant Chinese type 34 and ussr t34 i believe
hollow moth
I dunno bro @gray citrus, it smells like bug
Contact WG and make a ticket, they may help u
gray citrus
@hollow moth thank u but my friends have this same tank no camouflage again he dont see
balmy wagon
I think it can be purchase on crates, beside the crates give more chance for the legend camo than s.conqueror
solid gate
Should I save up gold for excelsior, then eventually save for lowe or just straight up save for lowe?
old lance
excelsior is only worth it if you dont got any other premiums
solid gate
I don't lol.
karmic nymph
It’s still not worth it. If you want a good tier 6 the su100y is awesome. A tier 8 gun at tier 6
hollow moth
Well, Löwe is much more useful
Great gun (precision, penetration, DPM, aim time), Great turret, good gun depression, the only problem is side armor and the weakspot on frontal armor
Also, it prints so much credits... lol
solid gate
It’s still not worth it. If you want a good tier 6 the su100y is awesome. A tier 8 gun at tier 6
@karmic nymph Yeah, but isn't the armor trash and it's mobility is also very bad? And is it hard to play?
old lance
it is somewhat hard to play...i would save for the lowe but possibly buy somthing better at black friday
leaden talon
Honestly I think the kranvagn line the tier 7-9 need something more...the tier 7 is just plain boring, sure you have that alpha, but nothing else. Tier 8 has that wonky turret and gun. Tier 9 has an autoreloader.
There isn't anything special. I think we do need some "changes" to make their playstyle more "fun and engaging" like the Standard B grind or the VK 45 02B grind. The players can't interact as much with the tank without getting punished for it. I'm suggesting give the tanks a little bit more speed tier 10 included increase the tier 9-10 to 40 kph max and the tier 8 to 45 kph max. And give them some more horsepower. Just spice their gameplay up a little bit. Not a whole lot but not a whole little either.
solid gate
it is somewhat hard to play...i would save for the lowe but possibly buy somthing better at black friday
@old lance What are some good low tier premiums that I should save for then? I play mostly heavy tanks.
old lance
honestly not too many low teir heavies are awesome, this one was the first premium i purchased. It hase a strong frontal hull so it can ram but the turret can be pened, it on sale now so its a very good value
tulip sail
If you have tier x clan xp the is5 while not low tier is excellent for its price
solid gate
That has some pretty good armor.
old lance
at teir 6 the cromwell b is quite good but its not sold all the time
solid gate
If you have tier x clan xp the is5 while not low tier is excellent for its price
@tulip sail I don't have a tier 10 clan.
tulip sail
Ah
karmic nymph
@solid gate it’s actually not that hard to play and the armor is not that bad. And the mobility is quite good I don’t know where you got that it has bad mobility. All you got to do is go in a td spot in bush or behind a building and peek out and shoo the enemy. The gun is quite accurate for a Russian gun at tier 6 and you can carry in the tank cause you can tale people out of the game quickly
solid gate
@karmic nymph Thanks, I'll think about it.
old lance
well i hate having to camp with a barn size tank, i play a lot of other tds but never fell in love with the 100y
keen escarp
@old lance i am actailly getting pz
old lance
cool
solid gate
Su-100y is extremely easy to play and get an average of 2k plus damage
I got mine from the weekly crate thing
the su100y playstyle is something like meme people for half their health, then reload for 15 seconds and do it again
I like the second rounds on it 500 alpha makes tanks go brrr
I personally wouldn’t spend money on blitz, especially if you are a pc player but if you were to buy something get a tier 8
scarlet echo
Who's stronger Ferdinand or jpanther ll
solid gate
Depends if you know how to angle Ferdinand can be good, Jpanther on the other hand is faster and more versatile
scarlet echo
I know how to angle really good
scarlet echo
Should I get ferd earlier I angle my armor so the smasher couldn't pen with HEAT
I can angle really good when It comes to armored tanks
clear bobcat
Wait so i got a tier seven tank destroyer (forgot the name but i think it is T25 At or the tank after hellcat) and want to know how to rlly use it
for like support, font line, hulldown, or seothing else
scarlet echo
T25 is after the Jackson and it's good for hull down
gentle wasp
T25/2 is after the Hellcat and it’s good for nothing
clear bobcat
I find the T25/2 not bad since if u peek out with only your hull out then u will probabaly get a shoot or two for free, putting the stakes of winning higher if they are crucial shoots (like killing a tank when both teams are equal in tanks which decreases firepower for the enemy tem)
btw is the t25 AT better or the t25/2 better?
gentle wasp
It’s pretty terrible because it lacks pen, DPM, alpha, mobility, and armor. All it really has going for it is decent handling, a turret, and 10 degrees of gun depression, but that doesn’t cut it against t7 and 8.
T25 AT is a lot better. That thing is a beast.
clear bobcat
also do i get fredinanad or JPanther2
gentle wasp
JP
clear bobcat
So im debationg into if i should save credits for E75 or the T9 missle tank after T49
gentle wasp
Both are amazing tanks, depends what playstyle you want
scarlet echo
I think I'll get the ferd
sacred trail
What gun works best for the AT7? The single-shot one? Or the 10-shell auto-loader?
The slower one I have trouble focusing fire on because enemies get away between shots. The auto-loader can’t penetrate most tier 8 armor unless you find the one weak point or use APCR
scarlet echo
Slow
pliant viper
I have died from the inside while playing stock is
solid gate
What is the best tank for mad games
karmic nymph
I think Su100y is a good rammer. The super pershing is op for mad games tho cause it has the ram ability
candid harbor
@solid gate panther i and ii are decent fun
neat nimbus
which one i should purchase ho ri t 2, vickers cruiser or standard b
candid harbor
@neat nimbus yes
neat nimbus
i just bought the standard b
sage inlet
10 T-34-85, 15 M4A3E8 Sherman and 10 M18 Hellcat VS Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus Which Side will Win?
candid harbor
not maus side
sage inlet
does the maus even have weakpoints?
candid harbor
it does
but those many tanks can easily immobilize it
candid harbor
modern ones?
sage inlet
yep
candid harbor
maus is from ww2 :v
sage inlet
hehe
How would a Panzer VIII Maus match against modern tanks? Poorly.
1.Speed:. Much slower than a modern tank. Not even close.
2.Armor: for all its mass the Maus is poorly armored compared to modern tanks. The armor was thick for its time but maxed at about 250mm. Modern tanks have the equivalent of 750mm or more in the frontal arc. The Maus would be especially vulnerable to HEAT warheads and would be easily penetrated by even a RPG.
3.Vison: The Maus would lack modern range finders, optics and night vision. It would also be much larger than a modern tank and very hard to hide. A modern tanks would be much more likely to see the Maus first.
4.Firepower: While having a 128mm gun the Maus had a rifled canon and its AP ammo would be greatly inferior to modern long rod penetrators. Also it would lack modern fire control and stabilization.
So the Maus loses at everything compared to a modern tank.
candid harbor
is7 can surprisingly work
candid harbor
is7 is fairly armoured and was very mobile
its downside was constant fire which they ended up by making automatic fire suppression system but prototype still caught and was eventually canceled
sage inlet
How about SU-100Y vs 🐀
tulip sail
In game or realistically?
sage inlet
real
tulip sail
If both had competent crews and were used properly the su100y every time
sage inlet
ohh
tulip sail
He is a nasty little thing at that caliber
Plus you have the maus's reliability and the casting problems with making that thick or armour plate
ashen fossil
t57 heavy or do i go for stb or something else
pliant viper
Is T49 HEAT pen enough to go through tier 9 side armour?
strange thicket
yeah but head on
not angled
i am assuming you are talking about heavies
solid gate
Everything except E75 sometimes and the ST-I or IS8
old lance
its hard things like an is6 you cant go through the side
pliant viper
I just want a good light tank line
I keep getting tier 8 and selling them this constantly losing money
glass relic
T-54 ltwt is good and Vickers line is amazing.
karmic nymph
Vickers line is truly amazing
@solid gate seriously though if you want a low tier premium the s100y is probably the easiest to play, the one that’s the most fun, and the one that consistently pumps out damage. It teaches you how to be aware and when to move up and not so keep that in mind if you struggle. However you can get a tier 8 tank for like 5k gold when they come on sale if you wanted a higher tier premium.
glass relic
Or just grind it from a free premiums event by WG
lime rapids
should i get the SU 100 with the bigger gun?
tulip edge
Its a little bit of preference really.
The 100mm is probably the better gun due to the DPM and accuracy advantages.
But the 122mm isn’t a bad gun and is honestly pretty solid, but has the worst DPM/ accuracy.
Personally, I’d choose the 122mm because I just feel like having the 400 alpha at tier 6 can just be so punishing. Also, the way I play the tank fits very well with the 122
pliant viper
I have realised after playing the IS with the stock and the big gun that Stalin only guides the bigger guns
I mean I don't even need to aim in
I just fire and it penetrates
I have somehow gone through the tiger 1 gun mantlet
tight raven
Imagine only getting targeted out of all your team because you have a Chinese tier 6 TD
viral falcon
Pretty decent, nearly all of them.
lost tree
Stop spamming kid
pliant viper
Lmao
lime rapids
is the V39 a good tank?
tulip sail
Yes you had a chance and the V39 is ok its not amazing but not entirely bad either
wise moth
It's not great, but it's not that bad either. Decent mobility, camo, and gun
hollow notch
Can it still drown in an inch of water or did they fix that?
lethal tartan
The v39 is mabye the worst tank destroyer in the game other that at -7 with autoloader gun and also the t82
lyric oriole
ARL V39 is far from the worst tank destroyer in the game, it has a solid gun, good maneuverability and ok camo.
If you want to complain about a bad TD see T25/2, with it's lack of Penetration, armor, health, and fire power. Also see T28 Prototype with hardly any armor and speed. Or Tortoise with no effective armor and a weakspot with the loader in it, and no speed once again.
AT 7 with the 6pdr isn't even possible for anyone so you can't realistically count that as one of the worst, it has solid guns, useable armor, and good hull traverse.
viral trellis
Japanese tanks are hit and miss but their guns are consistently good, you might have some trouble with pen on the Chi-Ri but you also get an auto-loader. The main thing is that japanese mediums have 0 armor so you have to get used to playing support
Very good gun depression so you can work ridgelines
median oak
@lyric oriole One recently sees a ridiculous number of AT-7’s with that gun. I’ve been playing the tier 7 Leo a lot recently as it’s my only unaced tank - and I would say that the majority of the ones I’ve seen have that gun equipped
lyric oriole
That's because it's a meme gun, it has no use aside from that, it's fun to play, but it's just not useful
median oak
M46 with Derp flashback
thick trout
I actually enjoyed playing the meme gun it seemed like nobody expected that large a clip and just stayed in the open. It relies on smart positioning a fair amount of the reds stupidity but it can work pretty well
stiff sphinx
At-7 but with stock gun and HE only
vital lichen
would the tog be good in burning games?
hollow notch
Probably not. The burning takes away a %of the hp, making it s pain to heal one
And the lack of any mobility is very painful
thick trout
Actually tog doesn't have that much hp compared to other tier 6 heavies now and so is practically useless, before it was actually workable because you could easily kill another full hp tank while only losing a third to a half of your own hp lol
hollow notch
Gotta reverse sidescrape with a tog
It actually works surprisingly well when noobs don't realize they should be shooting the turret
Also, for being a paper tank you can really troll people
jade saddle
Good equipment for vk 36 h
gentle wasp
rammer defense optics
EGLD HP accel
vstab toolbox CDS
viral falcon
I run the exact same for most. And yes, enhanced armour is more useful for something like a VK.
gentle wasp
I tend to run HP on everything. Personal preference. I would not run improved modules, you won't be ramming much in the Vk and defense system helps with the problem of the front mounted engine.
From DanDeerso:
hollow notch
On things that will autopen, I will use hp. When there is even the slightest chance of an actual bounce, theis does not include tracks and guns that eat shells, I use improved armor. From my experience I would greatly prefer to fight against tanks that run hp compared to ones that use armor. Especially when the improved armor makes plates go from autobounce to autopen.
gentle wasp
fair enough but it seems too situational to rely on it. I guess it is the same kind of discussion as CS.
hollow notch
I guess, but bouncing only 1 shot because of it makes up for what, 5 matches with the hp?
gentle wasp
the HP is always there though. It is not really a fair comparison to say one 350 bounce > 150 HP
hollow notch
The bounced 183 certainly is >:)
gentle wasp
but how often does that happen, and how do you know you that wouldn't have happened without EA?
pliant viper
Will there be a tier 8 for 5000 gold soon after or no
I'm asking cause garbage t44 was released for 5000
gentle wasp
most likely something around there for Black Friday
pliant viper
That's like one month away
gentle wasp
patience is a virtue. also saves you money
hollow notch
I do know that gold is necessary to use against unangled e100s running extra armor, while I can pen with ap when they use the hp boost
Source is many matches use t110s with rammers
pliant viper
Will sidescraping work on the t-44?(tech tree version)
gentle wasp
it can work at times but don't rely on it.
hollow notch
You have to be very careful, but yes
gentle wasp
it should be noted that if you overangle (on either side) there is a good chance that you get ammoracked.
hollow notch
Note that the rack is a much better target one one side than the other though
gentle wasp
yes but the danger is present on both sides. know your angles.
solid gate
I wouldn’t really run armor on anything since still you will get penned no matter what and having more HP will slow your bleed
keen escarp
Oof
next solstice
There are tanks that have autobounce angles however. Enhanced armor would mean that some guns wont overmatch
brittle atlas
should i sell my sp 1 c, i need credits and its just sitting and collecting dust in my garage
solid gate
Is the amount of crew exp required to completely 100% your crew the same for each tank?
viral trellis
What's the threshold for armor thickness where it becomes useful to take thickness over HP?
viral falcon
@viral trellis I personally can only repeat what Master of the larks said. I run armour on everything that can reliably deflect some shots, and still depend on raw thickness over angles, like maus, E100, Is-4, Vk 72, OR on tanks with borderline armour values between bounces and pens thanks to the sharp angling, like Fv215b, Wz 113, Is-7. I run hp on tanks whose platings are either completely penetratable or in no way shape or form, such as E5, which has a perfectly strong mantlet and autobounce angles on the turret front, yet a butter lower plate and sides which extra armour wont really help. I also run hp on paper vehicles, obiviously. Same with meds. Russian style meds and Fv4202 (which really gets insane bounces and you can feel the difference) --> armour. Patton, STB, E50M --> Hp, since you either 100% bounce or 100% pen, depending where the shell lands. Paper meds, Hp. Progetto can be questionable due to angles. Etc.
That's just my personal preference, I hope it helps somehow.
viral trellis
It does! Playing the STB-1 and Leopard lines means I will basically be using HP always though the turret on the STB is pretty good hull down
hollow notch
Don't mind me as I run armor on a leo 1 •_•
The thing is surprisingly bouncy for it being paper
hollow moth
Tracks be like
slow hazel
Tracks are real armor
upper jolt
@viral falcon what would you run on pantera
lethal tartan
Amx m4 45 needs armor and alpha buff
real pulsar
@solid gate i run armor on my heavys cause if you bounce that 1 extra shot you wont die as easily
solid gate
You’ll still get penned no Matter what
real pulsar
Well ya but your bouncer with the armor buff
keen escarp
Which is better Vk 90 or Vk 72
real pulsar
Its all about skill and brainpower in this game, and smashers kickin rear
solid gate
Vk 90 if u don't want to grind
Guys, I need help... I finished line and idk which nation and tank (tier X) should I grind.... any ideas?
real pulsar
@keen escarp id say vk 90 cause vk 72 is easier to kill
solid gate
grind the Japanese TD line if u want
I have STB already
E100, Jg E100, Grille, FV183, IS7, IS4, T57 and Amx 50B
keen escarp
Ooo kkk
solid gate
grind the Swedish line
🤔 is Kranv worth to grind?
yes, people say it's very strong and fast
Umm.. okay maybe I can try it.
Kran is good but incredibly slow, don’t listen to him, it’s got similar to Maus mobility
😅 oh I don't like Maus at all
But.. I don't have anything to grind now.. so
gentle wasp
it is significantly faster than the Maus, and it gets the enhanced speed boost. It definitely is not fast, but I don't think the mobility is that big of an issue
solid gate
Oh it's slow, makes me wonder why everybody is grinding it...
but lower tiers in the line have very fast tanks
T110E4 is good or T110E3?
gentle wasp
E3 is much better
gentle wasp
@solid gate
solid gate
E100 is great but u must know how to angle it
the difference between E3 and E4 is that one has a turret and other one doesn't
Uhmm k so E3 is on my list 😅 thx
Nah.. E3 has better armor I think. Even with death star it's unpenetrable
Time to grind.. I must start from tier 4 btw 'cuz in US nation I researched only T57 through T49... so I think that's gonna be interresting night 🤔 😂
Gl boys and thanks
hollow moth
@solid gate actually E3 have a better armor profile and more precision
scarlet echo
What's the e3???
gentle wasp
scarlet echo
Oh that one
scarlet echo
Should I get ferd or jpanther 'll I'm still deciding
gentle wasp
JP
scarlet echo
Really?
It's front armor is not good,but is it good in a hull down on a hill or mountain?
gentle wasp
The upper part of the hull is pretty strong. Plus it has a lot more mobility and a better gun compared to the Ferdi.
scarlet echo
Ok thx
solid gate
Ferdinand and JP II have same gun, I don’t see how one is better than the other
viral falcon
While theoretically it's the same, Jg has better DPM and aim time, in exchange Ferdi has better gun arc.
solid gate
yes but ferdinand is more amored than jpz and jpz is mobiler than ferdi. That's why ferdi has lower dpm
nimble terrace
make a Leopard 1 defender
solid gate
Out
candid harbor
@solid gate Ferdinand is more armoured but jg has better armour profile thanks to sloping
if used in hulldown
mobility is superior and gun is better
ferdi does play like jg pz e100 but anything can penetrate it if they load gold
same is not true for jg
it is very strong when hulldown
jg is better if you are experienced but ferdi is more newb friendly
hollow notch
I think I wouldn't prefer the ferd because of the gun arc. Tiny gun arcs are just painful
tight raven
The back up speed feels slow as a Vk 100 for jp 2
strange thicket
isnt it also the same for ferdi?
keen escarp
Well then you cant do anything about that
fluid sand
Imagine what would happen if the Ferdi has its actual reverse speed irl, 30 kph
keen escarp
zroom zroom.
fluid sand
Then its as cowardice as the french lol, but having good reverse speed can be quite nice when a some tanks proceed to approach you and you can just reverse yourself away while returning fire at the same time
gentle wasp
anything but the e4
candid harbor
lowe
it is slow, accurate, somewhat armoured and flexible
very new player friendly
it may get boring as tank is not fast
lethal tartan
E 75 ya cuz it’s got good gun and armor very reliable
rare pebble
Lowe bounces a lot of shots off of it, which is nice. It is slow and I agree it is a newbie friendly tank. E75 is a very formidable tank with very good armor and seems to do very well in the games I have played.
lethal tartan
Panther 8,8 anyone
tulip sail
If its cheap ill pick it up but I wouldn't go out of my way to get it
lethal tartan
It’s actually kinda good
Considering it’s gun and armor but u can side scrape with it
It’s mobility and turret armor too
solid gate
What do ya think 'bout E 50M and whole grind line through Panthers?
tepid geyser
I think that it's a great line imo, Panter at tier 7 is super nice and same for the Panther 2 now that it got buffed, and the E50 is basically the same platform at tier nine as the rest of the line
lyric oriole
You can't sidescrape in tier 8 with 60mm of hull armor it just won't work.
Panther 8,8 is a watered down Panther 2, and after all the buffs, Panther 2 is still only relatively ok.
tepid geyser
I love the Panther 2 for some reason lol, I aced it in 14 games
The whole line is very solid though
last viper
the panther 8.8 needs some serious help
solid gate
Will there be another event for the E75 TS? Because I still have pieces left.
cedar niche
Maybe maybe not
gentle wasp
there might be a popup offer that will let you get a discount based on how many parts you have. they have done that for other crate tanks (Tiger 131 I think)
thick trout
They did it for the kpf as well a while ago too
cedar niche
Is the Kpfpz even good?
thick trout
I love it but it's pretty awkward to play, you don't really have many strengths apart from alpha, but your mobility and armour are decent enough to make things work. Its definitely not for everyone but when you play it you find it's much nicer than the stats show
hollow notch
It teaches you to make good trades and to find and use cover. It makes you a better player
pliant viper
Hey guys is the IS to be played as a frontline heavy or a sniper or smth
Cause I bounce a ton of shells in that thing but the 15 sec reload is kinda slow
gentle wasp
heavy support or med side
south vale
I played the IS-1 frontline, even before the armor buffs. I did decent in it, keeping a mid 50% wr
gaunt meadow
What's ur opinion on Emil II guys?
I love it, just aced it in a 1v1 fight against E75, i had 625hp, he had 1800, he then shot me once and i was left with 80hp, he had 999 at that moment. It was on the top of the hill on Mines. (On the very top, i wasn't in hulldown against him)
solid gate
Just another example on why players vary in skill
median oak
Emil II is very potent in 8/9 games, but turret can be carved up in 9/10 games, even at max depression
solid gate
Add japanese premium please
lethal tartan
Yes
solid gate
Its O-I Kai
scarlet echo
How does shooting the cupala hurt the tanks won't it just over pen or hit the commander??
solid gate
Cupola protects the commander so he can safely view his surroundings and guide the crew it takes a lot of force to rip one off
scarlet echo
Then why does the tank get damaged if it's hit once I got hit the cupala it damage the gunner,driver and engine How does it damage me that much
solid gate
What tanks are you playing then? Cupola damage never causes engine damage not even gunner unless it’s a select few tanks or HE
scarlet echo
It does sometimes and I'm playing kv 4 and tiger 1 before
solid gate
Kv4 cupola is considered extremely difficult to penetrate commander injury to is semi rare only HE will ever have a chance to injure the gunner when striking the cupola almost never damaging the engine the tiger 1s is closer to the roof and is more susceptible to module damage
scarlet echo
It doesn't make sense how the bullet never over penn and won't damage the tank
solid gate
Because that’s how the hit system and engine to the game is modeled
scarlet echo
Is there a transmission in the game? And if yes how does it damage or set the engine on fire??
I understand the damage but fire how??
solid gate
Power from the engine goes nowhere since the transmission is not in place to power the drive system
scarlet echo
Ok thx, I got another question how come side scraping is good for tiger p and vk 100 mostly?
solid gate
Vk 100 has the best sides of the tier arguably tiger p is not good for the job
scarlet echo
And why tiger 1 is bad at side scraping
solid gate
Tiger 1 is bad in the armor role every gun will pen it
gentle wasp
not really, Tiger 1 can hull down and sidescrape better than the Tiger P
solid gate
Well in the sense it is much better at doing those jobs than tiger P but I’ve never seen a tiger 1 side scrape to this day
gentle wasp
sure, on paper the Tiger P looks like it has more armor but in practice I find the Tiger 1 a lot easier to manufacture bounces in
solid gate
It is more easier to bounce in since the front is for some reason almost heavily resistant against 180-190 AP pen (black dog w/o and with CS)
The lower plate isn’t even a safe pen anymore
gentle wasp
I wouldn't say that is heavily resistant, the turret and lower plate are weak, if he overangles a bit you can pen the drivewheel, or you could just spam prammo or flank.
solid gate
Trust me it’s more annoying than it looks if you don’t aim carefully the mantlet of it will eat your rounds the tracks like to absorb heat too although aiming is enough
gentle wasp
the tracks aren't really an issue when you can spam prammo right through most of the upper plate. The Tiger 1 hull gives me more issues honestly.
solid gate
Yeah I was talking about tiger 1
gentle wasp
oh in that case yea lol
coral island
Tiger 1's hull gives problem of penning
Idk why, but it sounds somewhat stupid and funny
lethal tartan
Strangely tiger 131 and kuro both sides scrape very well when they are top tier and their hind have good pen and dpm
solid gate
Which is easier to play, ferdinand or jpz 2?
gentle wasp
Ferdi is probably easier to play but JP is a lot better overall.
solid gate
I personally went for the Jagdpanther 2 because of that great superstructure armor. Go hulldown and you're literally invulnerable. You have decent enough gun depression for a rear mounted gun, and your mobility is a lot better. The Ferdinand suffers in that it doesn't really gain any actually effective armor and loses a lot of the mobility. It also reloads slower.@solid gate
hollow moth
If you want the Jagdpanzer E100 then Ferdinand will help you to get used to the playstyle
It's slower and the armor can give problems to some mediums/lights, you can also use some strategies to make it a bit more troll
Jagdpanther 2 may be better, but Ferdinand is easier to play and much more Jagdpanzer E100/Jagdtiger playstyle
hollow moth
Welp, as like I said, Jagdpanther 2 may be better
But you're following Jagdpanzer E100 for heavy things, not for playing mediums
Also, it's almost the same playstyle
solid gate
@hollow moth Even though the Ferdinand is probably more similar to the Jagdpanzer E100, I would still go for the Jagdpanther II purely because it's A) statistically better in basically every way, and B) the Jagdtiger is a huge step up from both and provides a sufficient ease into Jagdpanzer E100 gameplay.
hollow moth
It's not a huge step from Ferdinand
Both are slow, both used to have a meh hull armor (before Jagdtiger armor buff), and you feel like a heavium in both tanks
Jagdpanther 2 is really much more like a medium, and if you're going to Jagdpanzer E100, you aren't going for mediums
solid gate
@hollow moth The Jagdtiger is a HUGE step up from the Ferdinand. Your DPM increases by 33%, your penetration goes up by 11%, you shell velocity jumps from 920 to 1200, your aim time and dispersion is decreased by 16 and 6% respectively, your HP goes up by 22%, your superstructure armor increases by 50mm, and your average frontal hull armor increases by 20mm. In my opinion, your argument that you should use the Ferdinand instead of the Jagdpanther II, while a valid point, doesn't outweigh the fact that the Ferdinand is worse and that the Jagdtiger already eases you into Jagdpanzer E100 gameplay quite well. i had no trouble adjusting to the Jagdpanzer E100 after I finished grinding it.
viral lodge
Any idea if enhanced armour would make conq turret any more reliable? and any conq advice?
hollow moth
@hollow moth The Jagdtiger is a HUGE step up from the Ferdinand. Your DPM increases by 33%, your penetration goes up by 11%, you shell velocity jumps from 920 to 1200, your aim time and dispersion is decreased by 16 and 6% respectively, your HP goes up by 22%, your superstructure armor increases by 50mm, and your average frontal hull armor increases by 20mm.
That's literraly the same effects from every time you get a tank from another tier, lol
doesn't outweigh the fact that the Ferdinand is worse
When did I deny that from the last 5 months? Ferdinand IS worse, but it's also much more Jagdtiger playstyle
If you dominate the Ferdinand gameplay, then you probably already dominated the gameplay of Jagdtiger, so you're already prepared to do well in Jagdpanzer E100 @solid gate
viral lodge
Similarity of gameplay doesnt matter. Only how well a tank performs in its tier.
BP to Caer
solid gate
Similarity of gameplay doesnt matter. Only how well a tank performs in its tier.
@viral lodge ^^^^
What I'm saying is, just because the Ferdinand is more similar to the Jagdtiger in terms of armor and mobility, that doesn't make it a better choice compared to the Jagdpanther II.
hollow moth
And when did I say that it's a better choice?
viral lodge
Then what is the point of this debate
hollow moth
I'm saying that:
If you want something much approximated from Jagdtiger and Jageroo, go for Ferdinand
Because it's easier to play and the playstyle will help you to dominate the tier 9 and 10
If you want a better tank, go for Jpanther 2
Simple
viral lodge
JagTiger is closer to JP2 Style than ferd
Ferd vs JP2
Do you have any skill Y/N
Y JP2
N Ferd
Ferd is just watch meds fail to pen while JP2 is just strong but requires positioning knowledge
gentle wasp
also if you have enough skill to make the JP II work then odds are you will be fine with the Jadtiger anyway
solid gate
You argued that the Ferdinand will help you get used to the playstyle more, implying your support of it. You also restated your point like 3 times that you shouldn't play the Jagdpanzer E100 line "for mediums."
If you want the Jagdpanzer E100 then Ferdinand will help you to get used to the playstyle.
@hollow moth But why didn't do say that in the first place then, because it sounded like you were throwing your support to the Ferdinand. I don't understand why you would go this far in an argument only to backtrack and stop suddenly.
viral lodge
also if you have enough skill to make the JP II work then odds are you will be fine with the Jadtiger anyway
^^
solid gate
Anyways, I'm done with this discussion. Jpanther II > Ferdinand, hands down, no arguments.
orchid nymph
yep
hollow moth
You argued that the Ferdinand will help you get used to the playstyle more, implying your support of it. You also restated your point that you shouldn't play the Jagdpanzer E100 line "for mediums."
Yes, that's my opinion, what are you doing going for a medium TD on the middle of a heavy TD line?
@hollow moth But why didn't do say that in the first place then, because it sounded like you were throwing your support to the Ferdinand. I don't understand why you would go this far in an argument only to backtrack and stop suddenly.
And I said that, lol
viral lodge
It doesnt matter, all that matters is each tank individual playstyle in its tier not relative to its T10.
hollow moth
Jpanther 2 is better, there's no point discussing that
But if you want to learn the Jagdtiger playstyle, then go for Ferdinand
viral lodge
you dont need to learn the playstyle Its simple
Also similar to JP2
hollow moth
Say that for a newbie, lol
And no, one is a heavy TD that give problems to mediums penetrate, other is a heavy TD that give problems to lights penetrate and the third is literraly a Panther 2 with Maus cannon @viral lodge
viral lodge
JP2 and JagTiger are closer in operation, Ferd plays like nothing else in the line. Also again, similarity doesnt matter.
hollow moth
Similarity doesn't matter when we are a bunch of players that already knows well the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also, I really dare you to play Jagdtiger like Jpanther 2, the lack of speed won't help at all
Meanwhile on Ferdinand you are already used to the slowness
gentle wasp
it's the same in the hulldown-and-burn-em-down sense
viral lodge
If you cant learn a tank without 3 tiers of the same playstyle you shouldnt play the line.
hollow moth
Nowadays hull down isn't that necessary on Jagdtiger, the armor is overcooked, mediums will struggle to pen anyways @gentle wasp
viral lodge
lower, frontal, plate, only a bot can miss it on the jagdtiger if they are on flat ground in the open
hollow moth
Well, it's a problem on almost every heavy
gentle wasp
and the upper plate can be prammo'd by above-average guns
hollow moth
As like on almost every heavy too
grand linden
the conq turret is a joke
viral lodge
Exactly, so its like the JP2
gentle wasp
so hulldown is necessary if you want to succeed against anything other than meds
hollow moth
Yes, prammo pens, so it's more like Jpanther 2
viral lodge
Yes, it has a great gun with a more hulldown and delete playstyle.
hollow moth
Ferdinand have the same great gun, the only difference is about 0.5 secs more reload
Ferdinand have the same slowness and it's also pretty penetrable for prammo 😉
gentle wasp
Jagdtiger is a tough pen when hulldown, even with prammo. Ferdi is not. Don't try and twist our words.
hollow moth
I'm not twisting your words
He tallied about great guns and I answered
I'm talking about the mobility, while you talk about hull down
viral lodge
260 DPM, that is pretty noticeable
there is also the aim time
JP2 just has a better gun period
grand linden
and a more effective armor profile
hollow moth
I'm not denying that Jpanther 2 is better, but that's the same gun
Same pen, same damage, same dispersion, the only difference is that Jpanther 2 gun shots 0.96 sec more faster and have a slightly better aim time
Both guns still great
@grand linden only on the casemate
harsh jasper
Anyone know how can I get ke ni otus tank?
gentle wasp
it's the same gun but with different characteristics.
grand linden
ofc but the thing is with the jg you can hide your weak hill easier in the ferdi to expose yourself your weak cheeks become visible to everyone
viral lodge
Fighting Ferd is just press 2 and EZ pen
hollow moth
Only 2 different characteristics, and they aren't even SOOO different, only 0.96 secs faster and 0.18 less aim time
@grand linden angling and moving works well against newbie meds/lights, but won't work for a heavy or a TD
@viral lodge it's the same for almost every heavy on the game, prammo is just the easiest way to pen something
viral lodge
That is a whole second, you are ignoring a major difference
gentle wasp
How many t8 heavies are gonna look like this
grand linden
vk45a @gentle wasp
hollow moth
Tiger 2 against other heavy's prammo
gentle wasp
Tiger II, infamous prammo magnet? Nope.
@grand linden not even a heavy lol
viral lodge
Ferd is strong only vs really low pen tanks and noobs who dont know how to press 2.
grand linden
even a t44 with 2 key will pen a ferdi no problem
viral lodge
Also, JP2 has the sheer Speed advantage
hollow moth
Now check against a tier 8 heavy, the same goes for IS-3, and heaviums
Lol you're comparing the speed of a medium TD to a heavy TD
viral lodge
Bit better gun, much greater speed, more effective armour. Its a no contest. Im comparing the speed of 2 options to buy.
wise moth
Ferdinand only works on CIS server where everyone is a monkey and doesn't shoot gold at u
grand linden
sounds about right
viral lodge
And from positive himself there you go lol
hollow moth
More effective armor only on the casemate
Also, I'm not denying that Ferdinand is worse
wise moth
It's not that bad, but it's not that good
Like really, the one thing I appreciate on the Ferdinand is the gun arc, which gives you some flexibility, but it's not enough to make it better than JP2
gentle wasp
idk what you are even arguing for anymore. everytime you get pinned down you get wriggle out with "I'm not denying it is worse"
grand linden
yea im confused to what is being argued here
hollow moth
I dare you to find a recent comment from me saying that Ferdinand is better
All that I'm saying is that it helps to teach how to play with Jagdtiger because you'll get more used to the slowness. That's the real point
gentle wasp
which we disproved many times by tank saying it doesn't matter and me saying the armor isn't the same at all
grand linden
armor wise the jg2 is actually better cause it teaches you that hull weak and to hide hull
gentle wasp
^^^
also the speed isn't even that similar
viral lodge
^
grand linden
where as ferdi teaches you that armor bad and to sit in spawn
hollow moth
The armor isn't the same because one have an overcooked armor and other have Tiger P armor, lol
It's not even far similar to Jpanther 2 tho @gentle wasp
gentle wasp
every conventional td be like
@hollow moth the hulldown aspect is the same for JP. nothing is the same for ferdi.
wise moth
If you want to learn Jagdtiger, just buy a JT88
viral lodge
JP2 is closer, it has reliable casemate, like the JagTiger, Ferd is all or nothing armour.
grand linden
especially since its getting a massive buff the 8.8 should be pretty high on the list of tanks to get it teaches you of the high dpm combined with the decent armor and mobility
wise moth
JT88 is actually kinda nice
gentle wasp
it's annoying enough to try and pen already, now that it has a decently threatening gun, it is gonna be pretty imposing
wise moth
The gun is already pretty threatening, but 3.6k DPM is just gonna be dumb
grand linden
number 1 dpm t8
hollow moth
I agree with that
gentle wasp
I mean threating to just poke on, or take a shot to go circle. this is from a med perspective.
wise moth
Just hold the W key and disassemble the enemy team
grand linden
i have a feeling the 8.8 is coming for black friday
wise moth
I doubt it, it was in the first black friday sale, so I don't think it'll come again
gentle wasp
what do you expect to see
grand linden
rev for 3k
gentle wasp
Amx 13 57 pls
hollow moth
Well, I haven't seen much Jagdtigers 8.8 during this year, I wonder why if it's actually a very good tank
grand linden
it is a decent tank rn
solid gate
It’s decent just never picked up that much in sales
viral lodge
There is just better stuff to buy/save for normally.
gentle wasp
I also can't remember a really cheap sale for it like the Lowe and T34 (even SP) have had
grand linden
34 was sold super cheap for indi same with sp the lowe was sold on national lions day or something for 5k
hollow moth
It's not a popular tank at all like Löwe, T34 or IS-6, maybe that's why @gentle wasp
wise moth
Well, BF is usually some random premium that isn't that hot (albeit last year was a bit of an exception), so as far as tier 8's go my guesses are
IS-2SH, ISU-130, 59-Patton, VK 168.01P
gentle wasp
SP was sold for 6k just last week
Ugh
grand linden
the patton is decent but not my tank
hollow moth
Patton's legendary skin is awesome, I don't like tier 8 mediums so much but I would want that tank only for the camo
viral lodge
What tier 10 Prem/Collectors are worth picking up? (Besides T-22)
hollow moth
I would go for VK 90 if I could, but it's not worth 20k gold
scarlet echo
Why isn't it worth it?
viral lodge
I bought the VK 90, its fun, but need more practice in it.
grand linden
i honestly would play t10 if it isnt for the missiles and the 3 td matches
wise moth
Honestly, all of them are solidly mediocre overall, it's just about which specific playstyle you want
But for the most part, they're all slight twists on a tech tree tier X
viral lodge
I mean Id want Badger/Chieftain but they are kinda outclassed by their tech tree equivalents rn.
hollow moth
With 20k gold you can but IS-6, Löwe, T34 and a tier 6 premium @scarlet echo
Or just a good tier 10
viral lodge
Besides T-22 & VK 90 what T10 collector/prem are a unique good playstyle? @wise moth
wise moth
@viral lodge Look at it this way
WZ 111 5A -> IS-7
Badger -> E3
T95E6 -> E5
Chieftain -> FV-215b
121b -> T-62A
M60 -> M48
S. Conq -> E5
AMX 30b -> Vickers L
VK 90.01P -> Maus
These are the tanks that all the collectors are roughly comparable to. They're a bit different, but not massively so
hollow moth
Maybe that new AMX M4 mle, but I dunno, that sounds too big
grand linden
is6 should have 11.8 sec reload
viral lodge
Most of those seem worse than their relative tank, noted.
wise moth
@viral lodge For the most part, they're worse overall than their tech tree equivalents, but they usually compensate for that with some unique gimmick
*which is IMO perfect balancing
grand linden
i feel like thats how prems should be weaker but different
viral lodge
Makes sense, So I guess T-22 is the only one worth buying for me, may just be better off turning gold to FXP and making my grinds easier. (And im glad T10 isnt like T8 with prems)
grand linden
just because theyre weaker overall doesnt mean theyre less fun
hollow moth
Yeah
viral lodge
E6, just no, 121B I regret, M60 is like ok, 30B has a pretty bad gun which scares me off, 5A pretty coutclassed. Badger is outclassed by E3 rn
wise moth
30b is bad, but fun
viral lodge
I own the STB, better gun and better armour, only a bit worse speed
wise moth
STB is pretty slow compared to 30b
hollow moth
AMX M4 mle looks cool, ok gun, very good frontal armor and decent speed
grand linden
5a is much more enjoyable than is7 imo cause the heat pen and the 7gd
viral lodge
Its still mobile, im also planning on getting the Vickers sometime soon. So just not point.
wise moth
I have strong opinions on the AMX m4 54, that I regrettably can't share
@grand linden 5a has the same gold pen as IS-7, but it's HEAT ammo, so it's effectively less than the APCR on the IS-7
grand linden
running cali it becomes much more usable cause cs applies differently
wise moth
Yeah, but having atrocious DPM sounds like a bad idea
viral lodge
I mean doesnt the IS-4 just outclass both rn in comp play? (Pub doesnt matter really since you make anything work)
grand linden
your dpm is already pretty poor so might well pen those shots
wise moth
@viral lodge For the most part yes, but with one caveat, I do like using IS-7 as a riot shield tank in pushes. The 50km/h speed limit makes it superior to an IS-4 in closing the distance quickly, and from experience, I've found IS-7s going full speed bounce more shells.
@grand linden The number of shells you pen with calibrated that would have bounced with rammer is very, very close to 0, so it's pretty much worthless
viral lodge
I think the IS-7 is favored for more aggressive strategies by some teams from what ive heard which matches what you are saying.
grand linden
the is7 imo is more enjoyable compared to the is4 cause when you bounce/win a 1v1 its much more rewarding and challenging to drive
viral lodge
Im currently grinding the IS-4 on the KV-4, should I pause and go get the IS-7 first? (KV-4 is max)
On the IS on the IS-7 line
wise moth
@viral lodge If you aren't the type who has free XP for everything, IS-7 line stock grinds make it much easier to get the modules compared to IS-4 line
viral lodge
Which tanks in particular and what modules?
wise moth
IS-3 lets you get the BL-9, and IS-8 lets you get the M62, both of which you will have to get otherwise on the STI while starting with the D-25t
viral lodge
Is the M62 the IS-8 stock gun? So just easier to get.
wise moth
Top gun
Yah
But at least get the BL-9 on the IS-3. You don't want to be playing a tier 9 with the gun from the IS
viral lodge
How bad is the grind if you FXP to the BL-9? I will probably have enough FXP by the time I get there for at least the first gun and hopefully the turret
wise moth
STI with the BL-9 and top turret I guess is usable. Not great, but usable
Just make sure that you don't end up playing STI with the stock turret and D-25t
viral lodge
I mean its either just keep going and deal with that or pause and go start on my IS and get the IS-8 max. and that would eat FXP in and of itself.
At this point it would probably just be more time effective to FXP as much as I can then just deal with it since im already so far into the line.
inland ivy
Why do most good meta tanks have a horrendous tier 9 stock grind
viral lodge
Thats basically every tier 9 except for Conway and Foch.
wise moth
I mean, name me a tier 9 that doesn't have a horrendous stock grind lol @inland ivy
(other than 122-54 and Obj 704)
inland ivy
At least jagdtiger is playable when stock
wise moth
Fair enough
viral lodge
I have a wonderful bad habit of stock grinding T9s so far
M103, E 50, Type 61, Conway, WT. last 3 werent so bad but the first 2 threw me for a loop. (and thrashed my stats)
inland ivy
M103 def made me cry
viral lodge
33% wr in my M103 before I had it max, managed to drag it to 50% ish ¯_(ツ)_/¯
inland ivy
M103 max is like a tall E5
viral lodge
I like my max M103, but man stock was hell.
meager coral
Obj 704 with calibrated or rammer?
scarlet echo
Rammer
wise moth
Rammer
south vale
Legitimate question, @ me with a response but do you have to stay out of the game while restoring a vehicle? I’ve always felt I have to and have opened the game out of habit with a premium being restored and haven’t had any problems afterward
hollow moth
Rammer, you already have enough pen
solid gate
Does anyone have the T-22 or Smasher? And if so can I please try it PLEASEEE :(
please @ me if your willing to let me try
old lance
you wont suddenly become a great player if you have one...get the annhiliator its close enough to the smasher
solid gate
I dont care about becoming a great player I just like to have fun I also have always wanted to try the t22 and smasher
hollow moth
Lol he literraly asked for play on another's account
You know that account sharing is illegal by EULA, right? @solid gate
solid gate
yea ik im asking that I k its risky since nno one know me and yes Ik probably no one will offere but im still goonna askNo i did not No I did not @hollow moth
hollow moth
Wait a bit, I'll get the print for you
solid gate
I have shared accounts before 😕
old lance
honestly teir for teir tanks like the t1 heavy are just as op
nocturne sage
How should I play the is 3. Im using both the d-25t and d-10t bc I don’t have the xp to get the bl-9 and I typically use my fxp when I have half of 1/3 stand xp. I try going with the meds but i find the armor to not great as some t7 can sometimes pen my ufp and some t8 meds just go right through my ufp
solid gate
Hell no dont get me banned I didnt know
old lance
you have to hide your hull pyro, if possible
hollow moth
Then don't share accounts, now you know @solid gate
solid gate
yessir. i got scammed once in a training room
hollow moth
@nocturne sage IS-3 is a heavium, the hull is pretty weak But the turret is very good
Try to use your low profile to hull down, so you can use your turret to defend yourself
nocturne sage
I tried going hull as much as I can put most spots that I find aren’t to kind to the Russian depression and then I end up exposing myself and sometimes, the whole enemy team is on my sides and then i lose lots of my hp
tight raven
Imagine IS-3’s hull getting buffed to obj 252u’s armor
nocturne sage
I want a armor for is 3 but God no it’ll be like the potential jagpazner 4 dpm buff
solid gate
They should buff IS-3 frontal armor so that it can't get penned by ap shells with 225 pen at least. I played it stock for a few games, and it was horrible. I sold it after.
gentle wasp
not like it has the best t8 turret or anything
solid gate
Yeah, but no gun depression to take full advantage of it.
It has 5 degrees of gun depression. American heavies has 10.
How are you supposed to hull down with 5 degrees of gun depression?
And the pike nose means you can't angle either, unlike us heavies.
gentle wasp
5 degrees isn't terrible, and you have a very low profile that makes it easy to hide
solid gate
Sharing accounts is only prohibited if its regarding using it for rating battles.
now, SELLING an account, is a different story..
True, I'm just frustrated because it plays like a heavium instead of a heavy, and more towards the medium side.
tulip sail
Why is that a bad thing?
gentle wasp
@solid gate sharing accounts is prohibited in any case
solid gate
It was supposed to be the easiest heavy tank line.
i stg that was changed somewhere down the line
bec family sharing was allowed at one point
Yet when I tried it, it was crap.
inland ivy
best turret armour is T32 wdym
solid gate
Doesn't t32 have the cupola?
tulip sail
Its a great tank
inland ivy
good luck trying to hit a cupola on that
solid gate
True.
white shuttle
How long is the "the reliable VII'' out?
hollow moth
@solid gate read this
There's no "it's prohibited if..."
It's just prohibited. No buts.
solid gate
Yeah that was changed somewhere along the line; I'm willing to fight if my account gets locked up for something that happened way back when.
Plus I only shared it to show how different it was from PC.
I've never actually full on allowed access to my account like that statement implies.
gentle wasp
"using the account of another user" is pretty black and white
solid gate
I really don't care. I haven't even shared it in years. Joke's on them if they punish me.
unborn pulsar
Which is better? Chaffee or T37?
stuck needle
I like chaffee
fluid sand
Which is better? Chaffee or T37?
@unborn pulsar T37 if you want the T71 with its lightning quick autoloader with a good reload rate, chaffee if you want to get the super fun M41 bulldog
solid gate
@gentle wasp @hollow moth 1, I don't really care; 2, it was shared a long time ago
3; my account isn't even worth sharing anymore
stuck needle
But Chaffee does also lead to 49 and sheri
unborn pulsar
The Chaffee has better alpha damage right?
fluid sand
But Chaffee does also lead to 49 and sheri
@stuck needle is your choice, practice autoloader tactic (Even tho imo id prefer the AMX 12 t) or you want casual lt gameplay
solid gate
plus the person I shared with has their own account now and they have like 12 more premiums than I did.
I have no intent on sharing it in the future even tbh
hollow moth
Still illegal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
stuck needle
I do like the 12t but I'm saying that the Chaffee leads to not only the 57 heavy and Sheri unlike the t37 which only goes to 57
solid gate
eh
it was only once; it's not like I profited from it at all.
he really sucked so joke's on me I lost 50,000 creds
unborn pulsar
I've tried the AMX 12 T and it was good, but the teir 7 one was quite hard to use
hollow moth
Relax, AMX 13 75 is a paradise when compared to AMX 13 90 @unborn pulsar
solid gate
I wish there were more super heavy tanks in the game
unborn pulsar
Ohhh, lol
Relax, AMX 13 75 is a paradise when compared to AMX 13 90 @unborn pulsar
@hollow moth
How about amor? The T37 seems to have better armor, though both are light tanks...
solid gate
we have the KV-5, Maus, KV-4. IS-7/4 (don't remember which was a SH)
why not French super heavies?
Why not the legendary Japanese super heavy?
This game has a lot of concept tanks, come on WG
hollow moth
I don't see anything special on T37, but chafe is pretty bad
fluid sand
I've tried the AMX 12 T and it was good, but the teir 7 one was quite hard to use
@unborn pulsar I mean, the 13 75 is nice compared to other lts, not too bad nor too good
stuck needle
To be fair its all based on play style
U either like Chaffee or stuff like it (Cromwell etc)
Or autoloaders
unborn pulsar
I'm trying to get the T57, just need an easier way to get it
I'm somewhat new to the game, played it on different accounts then deleted it, so on this original account I'm focusing on getting teir 10 heavies first.
unborn pulsar
Thanks for the help @stuck needle and @fluid sand
fluid sand
Thanks for the help @stuck needle and @fluid sand
@unborn pulsar np
scarlet echo
Is the t49 worth it for getting credits and having fun with hesh?
gentle wasp
yes
scarlet echo
Nice
stuck needle
Hesh....keep dreaming
Thanks for the help @stuck needle and @fluid sand
@unborn pulsar
No problem
scarlet echo
T49 uses it
stuck needle
Really how do u see
It has 75mm
Which is quite high, but I wouldn't consider it hesh or hep
solid gate
I mean it’s listed as a Hesh shell when you click on the details on the ammo load out screen but that’s about the only Hesh thing about it
stuck needle
Mmm
tight raven
Imagine a match with spaced armor tanks that make up half the team while using T49 with 152mm
glass relic
HEP shells goes Minus Credits
solid gate
What's the best t8 heavy tech tree tank?
stuck needle
Vk100
past crane
Depends on your Playstyle
gentle wasp
Emil 1 and it is not even close
past crane
There is no definite "best" tank, all of them have their strengths and weaknesses. But for beginners the Tiger II, VK100, both Soviet tanks work great
lime vine
Tiger II are a hella to pen in frontal....
gentle wasp
Right now Emil 1 is definitely the best t8 tt tank, and possibly the best t8 overall.
past crane
But best performing and best for beginners sre two different things.
fast compass
The question was best t8 tech tree heavy. Which is emil
gentle wasp
^^^
fast compass
And besides emil 1 is pretty beginner friendly. It is an amx 50 100 which is small and armoured. The two things that make the amx hard tank to use
gentle wasp
It has an explosive clip, nice mobility, a low profile, and good armor. As far as I am concerned that is pretty noob friendly
solid gate
Should I research the emil( but not buy with credits) or buy my pre-researched T-62A?
glass relic
Buy 62A and just spam it to pad your stats in T10 pubs.
vital hull
bought vickers light and after i fought my 1st battle in it, i didnt recieve 50% discount on the Valiant legendary camo, can someone tell me whats going on?
ancient ginkgo
Play another battle till you get the offer?
stuck needle
lol rip
keen garnet
Maybe you gotta get a first class or a mastery or something to get a discount??
remote rose
So the jgpz4 buff is happening after mad games?
hollow moth
Yes, 3,6K DPM go boom
sullen jolt
Anyone an idea when E25 will be back?
pliant viper
Could be black friday I guess
glass relic
T-55A one is not bad if you like being a well rounded medium like T-54 but with better stats and the capability of earning credits.
pliant viper
I think I'll wait for black friday
glass relic
Which is a good move
mental chasm
Emil needs nerf
acoustic pollen
nah reload is stupid long and its super vulnerable when its loading also its super slow and the turret turns super slow , now you know how to fight it
agile crest
So it’s just a amx 50 b?
acoustic pollen
maybe? you have to wait for whole clip to reload, can't reload shells at a time so idk if thats same, it does have decent frontal armor
side is easy to hit tho
agile crest
well yes. Sides exist.
agile crest
Sell it.
sage inlet
why
rustic tulip
Heyo quick question, is the AMX 50 100 a keeper? Blazed through it with the event
agile crest
Yes
sage inlet
Sell it.
@agile crest why?
south vale
Don’t sell it, after the buff it’s actually pretty nice
Just try not to angle, and you can sidescrape if you hide the angled bits on your front
sage inlet
ohh
hollow moth
@sage inlet IS-6 is a decent one and pretty popular.
Avoid angling and long range fights, your precision is bad (as like the gun depression) but you have a good gun with DPM
Equip the DPM gun, both combat rations, Gun rammer and a hood number of prammo. You'll counter mediums easily like that and the prammo will help to fight enemy heavies
sage inlet
oh thanks for the info
hollow moth
You have a nice mobility for your armor, use it when it's possible, also becareful with enemy big guns (mediums struggle to pen You, but an ISU-152 or a RHM do it easily)
It's a great heavy when well used, but can be quite hard to be used
Well, good luck and good fights with it
sage inlet
Thanks!
thick trout
You can angle the IS6 if you are sure that the red focused on you isn't a good player and will not adjust their aim to the side plates, but it's not very common btw
I don't have much experience in it but it seems to be very nice, I run the dpm gun because it's fun and provides a difference to other ISXclones but the pen gun seems to be alright too
sage inlet
Thanks!💪
south vale
If you’re having your first battles the DPM gun seems to work, like Honourless I have no experience with the tank, but as you start to face T9 I would assume the Pen Gun is better, just a side note to take into consideration
thick trout
I've only for got 13 games in mine but the pen gun struggles against tier 8s if you try and play it like a heavy, against tier 9s you have to change your entire playstyle. The pen gun is pretty reliable but also boring and nothing special so I recommend trying to learn to play the dpm gun
sage inlet
i also have T-29 any tips?
south vale
Hulldown, and use the special consumables to your advantage. With the buff it’s received it’s a monster when top tier, and in some cases when equal tiered
pastel drum
@sage inlet t-29 is the tier 4 tonk. if not mistaken. t29 is the tier 7. nvm, forgot this is blitz and we don't have the t-29
spring pivot
Emil2 needs nerfed. Emil 1 is fine as is.
south vale
Emil 2 Needs a buff if anything. It loses turret armor over the Emil 1 and when it will be facing tanks like Ho Ri’s and 268’s it needs any armor it can get
cinder bluff
anyone else think the annihilator is op like more op than the smasher
candid harbor
@cinder bluff why do you think so?
cinder bluff
bc the armor profile for starts complete troll bs says you can pen oh that’s a bounce. the gun is just the smasher damage but 3 separate shots so you’ll always pen most likely it’s dumb
it’s like their running outta ideas so they were like let’s make a hesling on crack and give it troll armor
candid harbor
it has 160mm ufp and 110mm lfp
both of which are at flat angle
side armour is just as good as lfp
only thing good is turrent
penetration is at the lower end of the scale
mobility is worse than smasher
smasher's mobility is nothing special either
accuracy is mediocre and you need to somehow land other 2 shells with 3.355 dispersion
dpm is noice
concealment is low end
gentle wasp
It’s faster than the Smasher. Better traverse and reverse speed, plus it gets super speed boost.
candid harbor
speed is same and acceleration is slightly worse than that of smasher
reverse speed is better by 3 kmph
hollow notch
But. It. Has. The. Super. Speed. Boost.
Speed is far superior to the smasher.
But the smasher gun is far more broken
south vale
Smasher has prem pen, and outright damage. Annihilator has speed and a Helsing style clip
pliant viper
Smasher has stalin
candid harbor
15 sec boost after 90s cooldown is definitely something too good to exist
amirite?
gentle wasp
It definitely gives it the mobility edge
candid harbor
yea
sure
gentle wasp
Not sure how you can even argue that
pliant viper
Is the panzer 58 mutz worth it?
gentle wasp
No
balmy wagon
Should i grind ho ri or T-62a??
candid harbor
if you are new then definitely hori
lethal tartan
Buff amx m4 45
barren sleet
@pliant viper 12 euros for a tier 8 is not expensive. I've the tank (I'm essentially a collector) and I find it not bad. Not exceptional but not a bad tank. Mobility is average for a medium. Armor is average for a medium too. That means that every t8 can pen it even if you can have some bounces on the turret. The gun is the best part of the tank . Good dpm and accurate. Good pen too for a medium.
harsh jasper
Is Pz S35 good ?
lyric oriole
Not particularly, it's just a copy paste of D2 kinda.
torn seal
if anyone didnt try reverse sidescrape yet on anni, please do
solid gate
@torn seal is it good?
torn seal
its the way to go if you have a proper terrain around
you basically have 230mm spaced armor angled that way, except small piece of armor above the tracks, the only thing thats visible other than that is the turret and since its off center, its ideal to do reverse sidescrape
balmy wagon
if you are new then definitely hori
I'm not, I'm planning to go for ho ri's gun which is rly good penetrator, but on the other side, i want that 62 a accuracy, i rly want hori but i frequently play meds
lethal tartan
Ho ri definitely
barren sleet
@cinder bluff Yes for me Annihilator is stronger than Smasher and funnier to play. I've the 2 so I can compare. Better armor and better DPM. 7 annihilators vs 7 smashers and Annihilators are always winners. Look at the proof video on it from Pantouflee Youtube channel.
hollow notch
Annhialator is significantly worse against tier 8s than a smasher. Plenty of tier 8s laugh at the poor prammo pen on the annihilator, while they still have to watch out for the HEAT of smashers. Also, the smasher gets HE that is actually useable in many situations.
tulip sail
@sage inlet use it as a med and light killer its really good in this especially if using the dpm gun its armour will hold up to most lights and meds ap but you might want to start angling and wiggling for anything else
Is-6
torn seal
yeah anni is a med killer even at t8
if you run increased pen, its 231mm, and very fine at t8
tulip sail
I ment the is-6 I hadn't noticed the topic changed when I saw his comment about how to use the IS-6
pliant lodge
sigh why not buff KV-4? I'm consithering using the stock turret due to the massive hatch the KV-4 has...
tulip sail
Because the kv-4 is a side scraper and if you do that tight you dont have to worry about the hatch
pliant lodge
True but the DPM is just Bruh
viral falcon
Kv 4 has one of the trollest hatches tho.
viral falcon
You have awesome armour and great pen in exchange. Learn to use it, don't complain. It's perfectly fine for even head-on frontlining after the recent buff.
pliant lodge
@viral falcon no one get's scared by 320 average damage
Plus aim time is ludicrous for a 107mm gun
viral falcon
While the aim time is indeed far from quick, Kv-4 is not for fear factor, neither about the gun. It's for holding positions, breaching, and mostly contributing greatly to teamwork.
Btw, ⅔ of tier 8 heavies have around or less than 320 alpha.
balmy wagon
So I'm too lazy to grind ho ri and t62a from tier 7, what about bat chat? Is it worth to grind??
lyric oriole
The grind to Batchat is pretty rough
balmy wagon
Nah, I'm on tier 9 at bat chat line
viral falcon
But the tank itself is a very entertaining high-skill ceiling vehicle.
solid gate
batshat is batshite?
balmy wagon
That's why I'm too lazy to grind for tier 7, but bat chat was decent right?
viral falcon
It is pretty great in my opinion, as long as you did well already in the whole line.
balmy wagon
Bat chat pen wasn't that bad?
viral falcon
You will run calibrated shells due to it being an autoloader, and have no option for rammer. This makes it have a pretty decent standard ammo pen, on the higher end among meds and lights.
balmy wagon
Okeyy, lesgo for batchat
solid gate
Easiest t8 tech tree heavy to play?
balmy wagon
Tiger 2 or Emil 1
wise moth
Emil I by far
scarlet echo
Lego eda will rule the world one day
final pulsar
Batchat isn’t nearly as bad a grind as it was pre- 1390 buff. The 13-90 used to be such a bad feeling tank to play prior to it’s inter shot being buffed from 3.0 to 2.5
As far as tier 10 lights go, the batchat still seems to do decent. Though it does lack a lot of the benefits of the Vickers...
low rampart
@balmy wagon How can you be lazy when you play the Chi-To SPG? It's fun and does great damage.
keen escarp
Oh so you play hardcore @low rampart
wise moth
@final pulsar Actually 13 90 was never buffed, it was nerfed from 2.0 -> 2.5
final pulsar
I swear it was 3.0 for a bit
low rampart
@keen escarp Not sure why you think that, I'm mediocre as a player. lol The tank is good on its own.
low rampart
@keen escarp Light tanks and traditional TDs in general, like the German ones.
tulip sail
The FT-at
solid gate
is spike worth playing apart from the daily mission i get as a f2p?
what is the credits coefficient for example
lofty dock
should I use enhanced armor or improved assembly for the T34.