welcome to asia where i could not pen t32 turret with jagdtiger prammo
#vehicles-discussion
haughty forge
solid gate
Because all tanks have bad players it’s dumb to make a point “I haven’t seen a t32 play well”
next solstice
^
wise moth
@haughty forge Shoot the hatch
pliant lodge
@solid gate I'm not a
politician ._.
solid gate
You don’t need to be a politician to understand common sense
next solstice
that doesnt make ur point any smarter
haughty forge
i did tho , it still missed so idk, it was complitely red except some little part of cupola and cupola was hidden tho ( most part of it )
pliant lodge
This is how it's in EU.
next solstice
Then don't base opinions based off of a region's average skill level
pliant lodge
What do you want me to say then? :I
haughty forge
bruh
next solstice
idk and idc
potent tinsel
t32 isnt bad at all, its accuracy should get buffed though
solid gate
Weren’t you the one claiming a tank is bad in the perspective of your experience and then somehow got to the perspective of a whole region equals the tank is bad
pliant lodge
I think it's bad. I don't mind others saying something else. But this is how I've seen T32 performing
That is not my fault at all
solid gate
Seeing how a tank performs and claiming is bad is entirely different to playing a tank and seeing if it’s bad for yourself oh my god lol
next solstice
Your fault is basing opinion off of faulty personal experience
potent tinsel
t32 is atrocious in city/town environments though
solid gate
That’s like saying “is4 is bad because I can kill it”
kind bluff
lol T32 is my best performing tank with 100+ battles and 80% win rate lmfao
next solstice
u used the t32 for aces didnt u
haughty forge
turret is like impenetrateable u know'
kind bluff
nah i only got like 3 in it
solid gate
“Maus is bad because I can pen it”
next solstice
"only" 3
potent tinsel
yes, maus is terrible. bad pen and bad armor buttered through with my e3 /s
solid gate
Even better t h I s a p p l I e s to s o m a n y o t h e r t a n k s
pliant lodge
That is not what I meant but whatever you guys mean...
haughty forge
sides are not heable and it is not easy to flank tho
pliant lodge
Sides of JP II can be HE'd @haughty forge
next solstice
and the RHM can be HE'd everywhere. Your point
thick trout
60mm when absolutely flat isn't easy to be HEd
solid gate
And skorp G and and su 130
haughty forge
@thick trout can it really be HE ed?
pliant lodge
@next solstice that's not what I meant. I was just saying JP II can get HE'd. Why are you guys really just wanting to take me down? ._.
next solstice
because i disagree with what you say and you're still talking
thick trout
And 38°/s isn't easy to circle either
@haughty forge It can just very very rarely, by HESH/very high pen HE and when flat
haughty forge
mhm i never got HEed on side when i drove jpanther 2 , but screw the reload is hella long
thick trout
I got 38° off armour inspector but my one in the garage says 51° so I'm going to go with that lol
thick trout
Yeah it definitely isn't a common thing at all, I think I remember one borsig got me once and maybe some charioteers with HESH because I was driving it when it was first released.
That isn't at an angle it's completely flat on
pliant lodge
The JP II have already angled sides
Oh, you mean like if the JP II is angling from the front?
thick trout
Yeah
limber sonnet
Yes it is only the in the casemate
pliant lodge
@thick trout that works. Until T49 comes lol
hollow belfry
A T49 lasts about seven seconds and a half to my Jagdpanther II. Load HE, shoot, pop the adrenalin, shoot again and he's gone.
keen escarp
I am grinding for Sherid in 8 days
worn wigeon
what if they added the bt-42?
tulip sail
They would have to alter it tremendously to make it fit ingame
teal stream
storm apex
short but thicc. i like that
😉
kindred wren
Google “mortar” for more of the same
balmy wagon
What is the Best credit coefficient tank?
storm apex
Lowe (im pretty sure)
glass relic
Löwe
Type 59
Revaloise
Those are quite nice to grind you some credits.
Super Pershing is just.... No don't touch that for grinding credits.
solid gate
Revaloise?
gentle wasp
Angry Connor has. The highest coefficient but it’s more about how well you do in a tank @balmy wagon
glass relic
@solid gate M4 Revaloise
solid gate
I sold the Angry Connor. Also is the Type 59 the same as the Type 59 Ding?
glass relic
Ding is just the legendary camo
solid gate
Oh okay. I think I have all 3 of those tanks 😂
elfin marten
Is t34 a different tank than the t34 1776?
kind bluff
yes
gentle wasp
Statistically no but they are separate tanks
elfin marten
Ok
balmy wagon
@gentle wasp yeaa it's depends to some aspect, damage, spot etc. But did angry connor 1k damage obtaining more credits than 3k damage chimera
elfin marten
Could WG add a Cold War tank that might fit in blitz but is kinda ugly?
kindred wren
They already did
elfin marten
That is ugly? Like hull and turret proportions?
kindred wren
Well, that is down to personal opinion
elfin marten
Big turret and small hull?
kindred wren
That is awfully specific. Are you talking about the Vickers MBT?
elfin marten
This is what I’m referring to...
kindred wren
Or this American nuclear powered thing. Ok, you mean that thing
elfin marten
Yep, I mean has no reactive armor or a very op gun...
Kinda like a T92e1 with a much larger turret (head)
solid gate
It’s just a 90mm though
balmy wagon
It's just ridiculous
elfin marten
It does fit WG standards for blitz
solid gate
True but it’s just a concept not a truly functional vehicle
elfin marten
Just like some other tanks that WG added in blitz
solid gate
Difference is most of those concepts are in the realm of possibility the TV-8 straight up needs magic to work
elfin marten
Type t34 was a fake, t92e1 is prob just in blueprints, and t49 is half fake?
solid gate
T49 is very much real
elfin marten
The turret was mounted as prototype, the real t49 turret was similar to m41
kindred wren
T92E1 is a ‘plausible’ imagination of WG
solid gate
E1 is fictional
kindred wren
Like the JgPz E100 or the E50 M
elfin marten
@solid gate what magic?
solid gate
Technically the jg pz e100 is fictional but there was indeed a project for a 17cm vehicle
@elfin marten that turret needs to work like an oscillating one and the suspension of it from Warthunders depiction is adjustable the scale model itself also has the gun look like its welded with the turret and doesn’t seem to recoil
kindred wren
It is more likely that they would have kept to either the Jagdpanzer 38 (t), Jagdpanzer IV and Jagdpanther or the StuG III, StuG IV and Jagdtiger concept of placing the casemate either to the front or in the centre and not in the rear like they did with the Ferdinand
elfin marten
Recoil part would be easy, the suspension doesn’t exist in blitz and the oscillating-like turret is the only thing needed besides balancing the armor ig.
I could see this as a tier 8 collector tank
storm apex
I could see this as the new sheridan
elfin marten
Nope, it’s a heavy tank that has 90mm gun. Same caliber as m41. Also, it has no atgms.
tulip sail
You mean the m41 lekpanzer? Bc the regular m41 has a 76mm gun
loud idol
whats the better kv-1s gun
tulip sail
122mm
wanton grove
So I have a question, right now I'm planning to get either progegto 46 or defender mk.1 and since progeto come out to the store right now, which should I get?
meager coral
Both are good depends on your play style
Defender mk1 might have a bit of a lead the only bad thing about that tank is the damage per shot but even then it is negligible
wanton grove
I'm more likely into the clippers playstyle actually, but I can work auto reloader pretty well
meager coral
If you like goin hull down defender Mark 1
wanton grove
And because I really enjoy my cent 7/1 playstyle, yeah maybe I'll get the def mk.1
delicate barn
Which line is better for me, wanting a good offensive and mobile heavy? 113, maus, is7 or is4? I am also a little rusty so would prefer a line that is more or less beginner friendly
I was thinking the is7 or 113 line but I'm not sure if they are worth the grind
solid gate
maybe try the T1 heavy line, its begginer friendly
definetly wont recommend Churchill, thing is very unforgiving and requires a lot of skill
delicate barn
Alright, but I like my heavies to punish with big alpha strikes, any lines that fit that requirement?
solid gate
if have good skill in Heavies, however, then go for churchill, its a good line
Alright, but I like my heavies to punish with big alpha strikes, any lines that fit that requirement?
try some thing from the German line, good accuracy, well armored, and good alpha depending on what gun you use
delicate barn
but they don't have very good mobility, which is why I'm inclined towards the is7 line
solid gate
try the Tiger line, decent mobility for a HT i'd say
delicate barn
Yes, but I'm not sure if the e100 really fits my playstyle
I'm probably going to go for the is4 or is7 line, maybe the maus I'll see
solid gate
yes, but good armor
just watch out for shots on turret cheeks
Maus, you need patience to play it
if you get it, have fun in gravity
delicate barn
I'm very picky and mobility is a big requirement for my heavies, alpha as well so I don't really know what line to take
solid gate
if you go for IS-7, just dont angle the nose, ammorack below it
T1 heavy line has good mobility, same goes for IS line
delicate barn
I'll probably go for the t29 so I can keep it as my credit grinder and later on finish the line, or just keep the t29 and grind the is7 line
solid gate
T 29 is a good choice, not many tanks can pen from front
me: cringes in Tiger I
delicate barn
yeah, thanks for the advice, now I actually want a heavy for once
solid gate
but keep in mind one thing
some tanks can actually change your preferences, like the churchill did to me
dont go for churchill if ur skill in heavies isnt good
delicate barn
I already went for the Churchill and I regret everything, because that's when I learned that big alpha heavies was my playstyle
solid gate
makes sense, churchill is not a good ht to start out with
if you have the skill, then do play Churchill
very underrated, i'd say
delicate barn
I do enjoy tanks that have the Churchill's gun, but I feel like they need to be much more mobile than the British heavy line for me to be able to play them
solid gate
Brit hts are infantry supports, so its obvious that they are slow
Churchill I might be trash, but Churchill VII however, is decent
BDR is another choice for you, but the end tank doesnt look promising
delicate barn
Already at the tier 8 of that line and I loved everything about the line until the 30 second reload autoloaders came up
solid gate
wtF1 30 sec reload?
delicate barn
On the 50 100 it's 30 second reload and I despise everything about it
solid gate
i am using KV-1's derp gun instead of that
20 sec reload
delicate barn
that's just sad
solid gate
how far down did you go in german line?
delicate barn
well I'm at the vk 30p for the maus line and I don't even remember where I'm at for the e100 line
solid gate
probably somewhere at Tiger I or VK 36.01 H
delicate barn
yeah somewhere there
solid gate
but if you ever go "foch mobility i want armor", then the bunker series is for you
i.e. the AT line
delicate barn
yeah no I already tried and gave up at the at 2
solid gate
yea, AT tenks are slow but make up for it in aroma and firepower
delicate barn
not for me they don't, because yeah I already said this many times but if a heavy is slow I want it to have good alpha
solid gate
yep, should make up for slowness in firepower
wait, i said aroma instead of armor?
stupid auto correct
delicate barn
mmmm yes smelly at
delicate barn
one of them did
I now hate slow tanks
solid gate
anyways, just cover ur weak spots and you will be fine
that goes for any heavy
exception: D2
delicate barn
yeah, but that's a reason why I like mobile heavies since you can get in position to hide your weak spots quickly, like a lower plate or idk
grizzled moth
What is a great non premium or premium tank to get wr up or any of the premium tanks that been in the store sorth it like the t18
brisk jacinth
What is IS 3 like
next solstice
Lowe, T34, Tiger II, VK 100, 110, IS3. Just play a heavy @grizzled moth
haughty forge
@next solstice is3 is as shetty tank
next solstice
Good turret, anti med armor, solid gun handling and mobility.
hidden mauve
Hello, is the vk 168.01 worth buying ?
solid gate
no
tiny plume
ew no, buy the vk100.01p
glass relic
There are far better option than the VK168
tiny plume
Is3 isn’t bad lol
potent forum
Should i sell the smasher? The reload is quite slow.
tiny plume
It’s a kv2 you wanted it to be 9sec or something?
I’d only sell smasher if I have enough gold for an op premium tank
pastel moth
its a kv2 with powerful gun and stronk turret what could you ask for and its tier 7 so you get to seal club those tier 6 and slap t49 + ru251 everyday
timber pecan
How long is the Kranvagen line gonna be tested for !!!
@potent forum yes please sell it
potent forum
It would be nice if we could sell the smasher to clansmate, so he would have too.
pastel moth
When you have a game mechanic that is broken there is 2 answer to dealt with it
- avoid doing thing that is broken about it
2.ABUSE THE F OUT OF IT
in this case smasher should be ABUSED i wanna see paper tank suffer evil laugh
acoustic scaffold
Don't anyone feel like t32 need to buff
pastel moth
oi that tank is fine for what it can do if possible they'd buff something like traverse or turret rotation
timber pecan
@potent forum do us all a favour and sell the tank 😋
potent forum
You dont want to have s smasher by your side when you go to battle?
pastel moth
i can trade 1000 hp for my team to win lol so idc and smasher tend to sit back relax and take it easy in encounters so my way of counter it just cap pressure them to come and die lol
keen escarp
When smasher gets nerfed
The daily play goes down by 3k winrate 8% nerfs HE pen down by 20
loud jacinth
Don't anyone feel like t32 need to buff
@acoustic scaffold that tank is good, one of my favourites, the turret armor and good depression being the highlights
i too have good depression
feral zephyr
Who would win: OBJ 140 or Leopard 1?
pliant viper
I'm struggling with the easy 8
It's stock for now,just got it but what's the point,the line in front is trash
Should I keep that or the t34-85
haughty forge
which tonk is that ez8
pliant viper
American tier 6 med
shell forum
Depend on how much you value gun depression.
gentle shard
Im bout to get AT-15 do you guys have something to say about it?
Lets startt with the gun options
thick trout
Just don't, if you want the 183 then give up now you will just play awfully and ruin games for other people and yourself go for literally any other line except that
gentle shard
I think Im a decent player to go for it
I know its awful because of nerfs it received
copper kindle
My friend can go on for literal hours on why the tortoise and the 183 needs buffs, it ain't worth it mon ami,
@stuck spoke
gentle shard
Its surprising that they didnt receive any buffs in 7.2
stuck spoke
@copper kindle no @ skrub
copper kindle
@stuck spoke ok skrub
gentle shard
Hopefully by the time I get the tank it will be buffed lol
thick trout
@gentle shard Nobody is a decent player to go for it, it is literally ruining the game and it should be completely removed from existence. There is literally no reason to play it at all so it's not worth getting
stuck spoke
sounds like someone has half their health deleted by it
copper kindle
the 183's debuffed to the point at which I just rush them now, they're powerless.
thick trout
@stuck spoke Someone is fed up of having to carry their 0 dmgs every single game while they sit in the corner pretending they have half a brain
stuck spoke
bruh just get better teammates
thick trout
The pinnacle of sense 👌🤦♀️
gentle shard
Nothing is ghoing to stop anybody from getting it. We all know the purpose
stuck spoke
yes
karmic nymph
I’d go for the 183 if it’s grind wasn’t such a pain. And I’d only play it in ratings if I cared about stats
thick trout
The purpose is to ruin games for other people, and if that's you then you need to ask yourself what the hell you are doing with your life
stuck spoke
all derps ruin games
gentle shard
Lol thats not that of a big deal
karmic nymph
Yeah I am supposed to ruin games for others, especially the enemy
copper kindle
It isn't that bad anymore, it used to be called the death star for a reason, and that's not just because of it's damaage.
stuck spoke
so we should remove all derps then
thick trout
If the only reason you want something is to ruin 13 other people's games then you should stay in training rooms
Yes let's remove all guns with 1300 alpha
stuck spoke
183 is one of the worst derps in the game all it has is alpha
gentle shard
It had only the gun even before nerfs
stuck spoke
the jge100 is better in every way but you dont see players complaining about it
lost tree
183 is the most garbage thing in the game if u want it u have mental health problems and should delete the app to go see thorough care
gentle shard
Dude if you get shot by any tank thats your fault. Position yourself better then
thick trout
Because the Jag doesn't have 1300 alpha and 242mm of pen
karmic nymph
He isn’t mad about getting hit, he is mad about them being useless
lost tree
183 is the most useless thing by far can’t even do dmg to my is8 lol
thick trout
@gentle shard Do you really think that I can't play against them??? 🤦♀️
The tank shuts down any agressive push across half the map, and at the end of the game the tank has don't literally nothing useful at all except make things stagnant and boring
gentle shard
Heyy lers stop complaining and start talking about AT-15 and how to play it
lost tree
No let’s talk about how u have mental issues for wanting to play the 183
gentle shard
Its the most played tank in tier X for a long long time
tulip sail
The 183 is actually acceptable in gravity mode and tr
lost tree
You must be sadistic because it’s just paining yourself playing with that heap of scrap metal
thick trout
@gentle shard And we sure don't want another one ruining games for everyone else
tulip sail
Other than that it shouldn't be played because it makes every t10 game super stale
stuck spoke
The jag has a 299 pen with 800avg and the 183 has a 310 with 910 avg damage
thick trout
And 1300 with 242mm of pen, that's the game breaking part
gentle shard
But jag doesnt have a hesh you know
karmic nymph
Thing is nubs will be nubs in any tank and derp has always been a part of blitz so asking to remove stuff like it is changing the fundamental aspects of the game. If people haven’t figured out how to deal with a 183 by tier 10 I don’t know what to say
lost tree
Rather play jag than 183
gentle shard
Stop trying to stop my grind. If you dont have anyrhing to say about AT15 then no need for you to speak
lost tree
How to deal with 183, move
stuck spoke
But the hesh isnt guaranteed damage, you can hit spaced or tracks
thick trout
People play the 183 because it makes them feel good. They play it because it gives them an excuse to sit in the corner, and maybe get one shot in. If it doesn't go in, they can blame the tank. If it does, then they can pretend their 1.3k average damage is useful and think they are good.
gentle shard
I dont think thats the point
lost tree
Lol it’s like reverse sealclubbing
tulip sail
I never thought about it like that
thick trout
Stop trying to stop my grind. If you dont have anyrhing to say about AT15 then no need for you to speak
@gentle shard If you can't even begin to defend why you are grinding for it then stop
But the hesh isnt guaranteed damage, you can hit spaced or tracks
@stuck spoke You If you are balancing a tank based on bad luck then you know something is horrifically wrong
lost tree
Heat>hesh
gentle shard
Why the heck I need to defend myself lol
stuck spoke
No you said that its 1300 damage but its not guaranteed 1300
lost tree
183 is scrap metal end of story
stuck spoke
I have hit more 300-500 hesh shots than i have 1300
lost tree
Exactly just making it worse lol
thick trout
If you have no reason for grinding it then don't, because every single other player has great reasons for you not grinding it and adding another player ruining tier 10 @gentle shard
@stuck spoke It has 1300 average damage. You do not ever balance a tank based off luck. Just because you can't aim from the corner you camp it, it doesn't mean everyone cant
lost tree
Such a horrible atrocious vehicle I never want to play
karmic nymph
If he wants it, he can get it. It’s already popular, one more player won’t make any difference
thick trout
@karmic nymph One player always makes a difference.
lost tree
If I ever find this kid in my t10 games I’m gonna grief him and then report lel
gentle shard
Lol
karmic nymph
And the argument that it makes people useless can be said for light tanks as well. Noobs just yolo in them and die and think they are being useful by spotting. We should get rid of light tanks
tulip sail
The only good reason to grind the line is to finish grinding the last line in the game by free xp to say one did not to actually play it
lost tree
Reverse sealclubber = 183 player
karmic nymph
I would imagine playing a more support role would be better for the 183 than just sniping in the back
lost tree
Oh nonono @karmic nymph vickers light mmmm mmm good
gentle shard
You cant do anything about it being a bad tank and euining the game for people etc etc stop complaining
charred comet
O
lost tree
@gentle shard you just admitted it so you’re just a griefer? Tough reporting u if I ever see u
thick trout
@karmic nymph Spotting like that is more useful than camping in a corner all game. Light tanks do not make the game stale and boring, and cannot shut off half the map
@gentle shard That is just plain wrong. WG listen to the playerbase (or the sensible part of it anyway) and our voices make a difference. Not the voices who can't defend their reasons in the slightest btw.
gentle shard
@lost tree that wont even lower my battle honor
lost tree
Lol let’s all say nerf 183 and ruin alpers day
@gentle shard how many battles do u have
gentle shard
About 13k
lost tree
And you’re this sadistic and wanting to play the 183? That’s just depressing lol
gentle shard
Not THAT noob lol %51 winrate is not something to be ashamed
karmic nymph
Imagine wanting to play one of the most popular tanks lmao
lost tree
Not popular anymore because it’s atrocious
thick trout
Imagine not being able to defend why you want to play it because even you know that it's a selfish tank that ruins everything for everyone at tier 10
gentle shard
Yes it is a 183mm gun and this is enough
karmic nymph
But it is tho. I don’t have it on my account but people play it for fun, the only thing that matters cause this is a game
grand linden
all i need is the 252u
thick trout
@gentle shard Why does that make it worth playing?
@karmic nymph Yup as I thought, your "fun" comes at the cost of every single other person in a game with you, but you have never even thought about it have you?
gentle shard
@thick trout Do you play only OP, jack of all trades, and "good" tanks?
stuck spoke
183 is has bad stats on everything except alpha and pen
thick trout
You can look for yourself, but yes I do @gentle shard
And before you say that ruins the game for people, it does not. It helps the 7 people on my team, and disadvantages 7 people on the reds.
grand linden
thats big alpha tds in general; really fun when youre the one driving it and the worst thing ever when youre the one getting shot
karmic nymph
So what’s bad about it? The ability to make the enemy more passive? Well that’s one of its strengths, the advantage it has with big alpha. Just like some tanks have good armor and can hold key spots, this tank can keep tanks back cause of its big gun. I don’t see why one is okay and the other is not. Disadvantaging the enemy team is what I want, it’s the goal. The only point you can make is that it hurts my team by playing it, but that’s cause it’s a bad tank, and being a bad tank is not some unique trait to the 183. Plenty of bad tanks out there, no one screaming to get them removed
gentle shard
@thick trout You sure can enjoy that type of playstyle but you cant go into an argument with people wanting to play 183
Stop talking if you wont say anything about AT15 because there is no need
@karmic nymph what a lovely paragraph
thick trout
This game is called blitz. It's supposed to be fast and agressive. The 183 completely and utterly ruins that. Tanks with armour require skill to play. No other tank can ruin games for other people anywhere near as good as the 183 @karmic nymph
@gentle shard Why can't I argue with 183 players? And there is every single need to stop tier 10 from getting any worse, so I suggest you either come up with some vague reason as to why playing the 183 is excusable, or quit the line now
gentle shard
Dude I wont explain you anything anymore because Its non if you business
None of your*
thick trout
Does the Jag the same AP alpha and pen? No
Does the Jag have HESH with almost double the alpha of almost every single tank with 242mm of pen? No
Can the Jag be played agressively? Yes
Can the maus be played agressively? Yes
@gentle shard You mean you can't think of a reason. It is a multiplayer game, it's everyone's business
grand linden
tanks with armor require skill to play, laughs in is4 252u
gentle shard
@thick trout What a good community trying to prevent me from playing the tank I want
grand linden
no one saying you cant play the deathstar
thick trout
@gentle shard The community is trying to stop individuals from ruining the game. You are still yet to say why it's excusable to play
gentle shard
Why
thick trout
Because maybe the good of 13 people is more important the the good of one???
grand linden
the arguments i have for people playing the deathstar: its fun
gentle shard
I want it because its the biggest gun in the game and seems like so much fun to be able to do that much damage in oneshot
stuck spoke
Do you like getting rolled for 1300 in your grille@thick trout
lyric oriole
I'm gonna have to side with the people in favor of 183 here.
You can't reasonably argue playing Strong tanks, is OK over playing a mediocre tank that cannot even one shot same tier vehicles.
If there is no fear factor you make careless players, if you make careless players, the game becomes only whoever shoots faster, nobody thinks harder
grand linden
its not only about the 183 cause this could also expand to things like the isu and su 152 as well
stuck spoke
I also see that you have a t22 med, and that tank is broken
gentle shard
@grand linden İ have those as well
karmic nymph
Lmao. It’s a tank that’s part of the game. It’s excusable to play it cause it’s allowed by wargaming, the only entity that matters. Why should I care about these other random people think. I play this game for my enjoyment, not theirs. If they don’t like it they can do something to wargaming, not me as a player
copper kindle
Jesus is he still crying?
grand linden
someone gotta suffer for you to have fun, you think the sp1c likes to be hit with high explosive everyday?
thick trout
@stuck spoke I haven't been shot for 1300 in months at least
@gentle shard Then you are just selfish and ignorant it seems. You ruin 13 people's fun for yourself
@lyric oriole There's plenty of fear factor with all the campers we have now without the fear of 80% of your hp going because you tried to play the game correctly
lyric oriole
If you Lose 80% of your health by "playing the game correctly" you aren't doing that at all
gentle shard
@thick trout Why I have to think your fun
stuck spoke
You just proved a point = the 183 has bad stats
gentle shard
I have tons of noobs and afks per game but I don go around "go get them banned"
stuck spoke
Man you in your grille is ruining my fun, i dont like getting penned in my maus from a tank 300 m away. Nerf the grille
gentle shard
Someone will always ruin you day
stuck spoke
I know
gentle shard
If I get angry or some random 183 dont do anything and loses the game for us I just go into another batrlw and foeget about it
thick trout
I also see that you have a t22 med, and that tank is broken
@stuck spoke And yet it's still much more excusable to play than the 183, because it actually fits the game. And yes I'm currently spamming it to try and get it to over 1% of the battles so WG will finally have to reveal to everyone how op it is
@lyric oriole It is impossible to play agressively while avoiding every single camping spot. Playing agressively is playing well. With the 183, you can't play agressively unless you are good at the game, which people are not
@gentle shard Because that's what people with basic human decency do. Someone will not always ruin your day, and the less times it gets ruins is better correct? So the less 183 players, the better
@stuck spoke I do not ever camp in my grille, occasionally I snipe but that's rare. And the grille still take much more skill and fits in with the game much better than the 183
gentle shard
You are getting it wrong
stuck spoke
But people do camp in the grille just like the 183 so by your logic the grille should be removed
lyric oriole
Ok, clearly nobody can change your mind in any of this so I'll take my leave for now 👋
gentle shard
Tschüs ✌️
thick trout
@gentle shard It's one of the most popular tanks, it's in almost every single game and it ruins it
Why am I wrong? You haven't said a single thing that makes sense (apart from that you don't care about other people)
@stuck spoke Grille doesn't have 1300 alpha and will not splash for some damage no matter what, as well as being much more easily push-able.
gentle shard
İ said that it has the biggest gun lol
copper kindle
@gentle shard haha, point is, go for it mate, it's your account, who knows, you could be a reliable player in the AT15 or whatever tank you're grinding towards, don't let anyone tell you differently.
gentle shard
@copper kindle you are wonderful
copper kindle
especially not crybabies whinging about any topical matter that comes to attention.
stuck spoke
It got a dpm buff making it harder to push and it has better stats in everything but the obvious
thick trout
Or let people who know about the game make you think about why you want to do things, and reconsider them when you can't defend them in the slightest without resorting to the basic "my fun is more important than everyone else's" @gentle shard
gentle shard
@stuck spoke I think gun depression is a bigger problem than not having armor
thick trout
@stuck spoke Much easier to push a tank if you only might take 640 damage than if you will take ~500 no matter what, up to 1300
gentle shard
I came here because I couldnt find any real tutorial about at15 from this year
thick trout
especially not crybabies whinging about any topical matter that comes to attention.
@copper kindle Unless you have any facts or reasons why the 183 is an excusable tank to play, I suggest you keep your backhand insults out of this chat
copper kindle
Facts or reasons?
Just sounds like you've been crying this past half hour, neither fact nor reason.
grand linden
ok this is a discussion guys were arguing about the 183 not who is crying louder
thick trout
183 ruins the game for almost everyone - fact
183 shouldnt be in blitz - fact
@copper kindle
copper kindle
Yeah but half an hour after, it gets tedious mate @grand linden
Nah, it's funnier this way.
gentle wasp
@gentle shard For the AT15 pick your positions well because you have crap mobility. Try to hide the copula as much as possible, and wiggle a bit to bait shots off of your gun mantlet. You have to know what tanks can pen you like butter and which ones you can bully.
gentle shard
@gentle wasp which gun should I use? 32 pdr or 20 pdr top gun
grand linden
32
thick trout
It's always tedious when you can't defend your viewpoint without admitting you are horrendously selfish but are too headstrong to admit you are wrong 🤷♀️
gentle wasp
@gentle shard use the 32
mental violet
I agree, the big alpha makes it a stupid tank. Though the heavy HP buff made it better. It’s still the same for meds/lights though. The alpha can prevent multiple enemies from pushing locking down a side etc. It’s only balanced now because the 183 was nerfed into oblivion.
copper kindle
I don't even play the 183, but I've come across it, and it's seriously not that bad of an opponent anymore.
gentle shard
@thick trout Please top trying to stop me
grand linden
tbh i dont like the 183 or big alpha tds myself but i can see why people would play it and enjoy it since ive tried a few big alpha tds
@gentle shard what is your goal with the 183 like what are you planning to do with it? is it a first t10? like what do you want
thick trout
I have never had an issue taking out a 183 in my life. That doesn't mean it isn't an issue. I haven watched countless times as teammates cower away because they are scared of pushing, even with 4 guns advantage. I have watched greens have their game ruined by one unspotted tank. It is broken. It shouldn't be in blitz. @copper kindle
@gentle shard Why do you want me to stop? If it makes you feel bad playing it or wanting it then that brilliant, because you should feel that
gentle shard
@grand linden honestly I know it has terrible camo rating and thats the thing really scares me. But Im planning to do at least one succesful hit per battle
mental violet
Btw the 183 is by far the worst tier 10 currently, it’s not a tank I’d grind towards, at least not now. The Jageru will be more rewarding and still has good Alfa.
thick trout
One hit per battle is useless even with 1300 alpha
gentle shard
Then make it two
thick trout
Two hits when camping is still useless, but it's rare that ever happens
grand linden
no i dont care for that like what is the reason behind getting the 183 like do you want it to be your first t10? do you want to see how "good" it is?
copper kindle
@thick trout sounds like a problem with it's reputation, and the players you're with. Not everyone's gonna be as well-sounded to nerfs, and provided if I see a 183 I'm still gonna shit myself. The only way to properly nerf it, is to eliminate that reputation by making it a stupidly poor tank, which isn't gonna sit well with the majority.
The 183's basically essential to T10 balancing, imo.
stuck spoke
The grille has 3378 dpm, 279 pen, 640 alpha, 11second reload, rof of 5.28 ,shell velocity of 1350. Its aim time is 1.36, dispersion is 0.272 and its camo is 14% not moving and 8% moving
The 183 (ap) has 2800 dpm, 310 pen, 930 alpha, rof of 3.01, a 19 second reload and a shell velocity of 830. Its aim time is 2.72, its dispersion is 0.408 and its camo is 5% still and 3% moving
gentle shard
@grand linden I already have tier 10s so its not my first. I want to see that does it really do 1300 dmg per shot. Even 1 succesful 1300 dmg shot is enough
copper kindle
Must be satisfying lol.
stuck spoke
If we change it to hesh the dpm goes up 600
grand linden
ok if its not your first tier 10 do as you please but if you want to improve i would not recommend the 183
thick trout
@copper kindle The only way to change it is to remove it's HESH, them it can finally be buffed to be a respectable tank with camo and accuracy. It will not go down well with 183 spammers, but they have had years of ruining 13x as many people's fun, so they fully deserve it
@gentle shard 1 shot is not enough. I have already explained that. Look at the stats or replays and it will do 1300 damage per shot. You don't need to play it to know that
mental violet
Imagine using 183 stats without thinking about the HESH
gentle shard
İ didnt say that. I mean it will satisfy me to see thats possible and its in my hands
İ of course will do more than 1 shot per battle
thick trout
Then only play it in training rooms where you might find someone stupid enough to want to get shot by it, instead of ruining 13 other people's games
gentle shard
Alright boss I will do that. I promise
mental violet
@thick trout I agree that the 183 is stupid as is even thought it’s been nerfed to pieces, but that doesn’t justify a rampage against all 183 drivers though?
stuck spoke
The 183 has the worst dpm with ap in out of all t10 derp tds, and no-one is going to run full hesh because its not a consistent 1300 roll
gentle shard
I dont understand why you dont say same thing about kv2. The fact that it has the oneshotting 152mm and thats it. No armor, no camo, no speed.
Does it ruin the game too?
thick trout
If no 183 owner ever played it, then there would be no problem. If you are playing it, then you are willingly sacrificing 13 other people's fun per game for yours, and there are plenty of other tanks that can give you fun as well. Playing it is essentially ignorant and selfish @mental violet
@gentle shard I do same the same thing about the KV2, you obviously haven't seen me talk about it before. The KV2 is significantly worse tier for tier, but it isn't at tier 10 so it isn't as big a problem
@stuck spoke Why are you talking about luck again? 🤦♀️
gentle shard
Then dont say something like that anymore. This is the game we all play and derps wont get removed soon
stuck spoke
Did you not read the comparison with the grille and 183
tulip sail
Most were already removed in 5.5
gentle shard
Yeah I know and that was a bad bad move
tulip sail
I was quite happy with it
thick trout
You do not work for WG and you cannot say that at all lmao. I don't think I know a single other superuni or unicum that even begins to excuse the 183 @gentle shard
@stuck spoke Yes I did, and it's pretty useless because they are both very different tanks, but anyway as soon as you got to 1300alpha and 242 pen you know the tank is broken
grand linden
i dont mind the derp guns being removed but the tanks shouldve at least stayed in the tech tree
stuck spoke
If you pen
thick trout
Stop talking about luck. Do you have a clue how to balance tanks???
mental violet
That’s just no true lol, it’s in the game so playing it is fair play. I played it in 2016 or whenever the anti 183 hate was strong and before it got buffed myself and I was disgusted by it so I chose not to play it. I even had arguments with meadsy at the time about it. But I’d never call anyone out for playing the tank. I dislike missiles as well, will I hate tankers driving missile tanks? No ofc not. You have nothing to say of their choice and thinking you can call them ignorant for playing something they want to play is selfish in its own regard. Note, I’d rather see no 183’s either, but idc if those wanting to play it play it.
thick trout
Why wouldn't you call anyone out for playing it?
stuck spoke
Youre thinking that the percentage of a hesh pen is almost alway but it isnt
gentle shard
This is almost completely a free world lol
grand linden
oh boy
mental violet
Why would you, it’s their freedom of choice. Everyone can do what they want?
gentle shard
No need to argue if its not going anywhere.m
thick trout
If you just leave it there and don't look at it as a problem then it will never get fixed, and it desperately needs fixing because tier 10 is in an awful state
@gentle shard I would hope that people were bound by morality and slight sense and open-mindedness, but judging by the amount of 183 players that is very difficult. The more people that wake up and realise what they are, the better
gentle shard
Ooohh so you say they have real mental problems
thick trout
Innaction is considered as bad as condoning an action @mental violet
stuck spoke
You dont have the 183 because you think its breaking the game, but the sheridan atgms were breaking the game aswell and even with the nerf they are still powerful. Infact they are definitely more powerful than the 183
mental violet
But you can complain and give feedback without attacking individuals? The fault is with WG and their balancing, not with those playing it? Again, free world.
gentle shard
The point is not it being too powerful, he means its too weak
mental violet
I completely agree that 183’s needed alfa/hesh reworks instead of nerfs. But that doesn’t mean everyone that played a 183 is the devil incarnated
gentle shard
And people dont play it properly so its like 6v7
thick trout
It isn't a mental problem to act like a piece of 💩 for no reason
@stuck spoke I am actually slowly grinding the 183 for use in tourneys, but the sheridans are nowhere near as game breaking as the 183
@mental violet If the players didn't play it, then it wouldn't be a problem. And if you go with the free world argument, then you should not ever consider telling someone that murder, horrible crimes etc is wrong because it's all their choice
stuck spoke
Are you brain dead?
gentle wasp
sheridans are nowhere near as game breaking as the 183
@thick trout you're joking right
tulip sail
Rights to choice stops where another person's starts
thick trout
Sheridan make maybe 3 or 4 spots in the whole game useless and promote agressive gameplay, 183s make half or most maps useless and promote the opposite @gentle wasp
gentle shard
@thick trout I will get it no matter what
stuck spoke
I got my entire hit points wiped out in a maus and i couldnt do anything because a sheridan kept firing over a hill@thick trout
grand linden
jesus you guys are still going at it
mental violet
@thick trout that’s just completely next to the point lmao. You know there are set rules? Both in a game and in the world. There are punishments if those aren’t followed? Murder isn’t allowed, but playing the 183 is allowed?
stuck spoke
The missiles are more broken than the 183 ever was because with the 183 you had to move out of cover to take shots but in a sheridan you dont have to
thick trout
Rights to choice stops where another person's starts
@tulip sail Exactly, and there are 13 other people in each game so you should be considerate to them
@gentle shard Why? What makes you so insistent on getting it?
@stuck spoke Then you were in a horrible position, and if you stayed in that position for 6 pens then that's definitely your problem
@mental violet So it isn't a free world? And it's almost as if all the rules have been created by a community agreeing what is the best for the common good, and here in blitz, that happens to be not playing the 183. Unfortunately there is no rule against it, but when it gets removed then that will be an equivalent
gentle shard
@grand linden This is not necessary
İ keep suffering here like Im not suffering in my AT7 lol
tulip sail
You know you can just free xp it right?@gentle shard
gentle shard
@thick trout Its an essential to WoTB
thick trout
I doubt he has enough free XP @tulip sail
tulip sail
Play a better tank and grind free xp
stuck spoke
I moved towards the hill he was at and he kept penning@thick trout
gentle shard
@tulip sail duuude it takes soo long. Yes I dont have that much free exp. I have the elite exp but dont have the gold to convert
thick trout
It isn't essential. You don't need to play it. You can do fine without it.
Anything that delays getting the 183 is great
@stuck spoke Then you are moving in a very very bad way...
tulip sail
True but trust me you'll enjoy it far more then the alternative @gentle shard
gentle shard
You still think you have the right to say it must not played @thick trout
stuck spoke
No you dont get it i couldnt do anything. I was hugging the hill he was firing over and i still got hit no matter which way I repositioned
gentle shard
Alright guys thank you all for you opinions bith about 183 and AT15. Imma now go check some forums for 5yo guides
thick trout
It's always good to save free xp and consider it for any line that you want to go for, currently I have about 550k + 750k from certificates for the kranvagn line and I have never converted elite xp. I still have around 300 of the best free XP boosters too.
@gentle shard I have the right to make you think about why you want to play it, and the right to challenge you when you cannot come up with a good excuse
@stuck spoke Show me the replay or the position and I'll tell youw where you went wrong
gentle shard
And I dont have to explain you @thick trout
mental violet
@thick trout that’s now you saying that you are the authority making the rules.
BtW the equivalent of your idea is saying all Porsche drivers should never drive their Porsche because it’s too posh and idk what other negative it would have. You are making sure that one group can’t have the same freedom the others (VW, Audi, Aston Martin,...) all so have. Porsche drivers can’t drive their cars because the community suddenly feels like it.
As long as WG keeps it in the game as a playable tank, people will play it so learn to live with that. Complain to WG to balance it differently, but don’t blame the players for having their fun. Your fun isn’t better than theirs.
pliant lodge
Why did the conq get a 50HP nerf?
kind bluff
lol at series are "playable" tanks
stuck spoke
How hard can this be for you too understand. I got hit by a missile and i moved into cover and i still got hit even though i was in cover
gentle wasp
because it had the same hp as the Fv215b @pliant lodge
stuck spoke
And this wasnt a small cover my entire tank wasnt showing
gentle shard
Yep go on say it @thick trout
stuck spoke
Because fired up and over
pliant lodge
@gentle wasp oh ok
thick trout
Because you can't? And if you can't them why are you still going for it? @gentle shard
@mental violet I have an influence on the rules just like everyone else does, and nobody has ever given a half decent reason as to why I am not speaking for the majority of players. A Porsche being too posh doesn't ruin other people's fun. I'm complaining about people willingly ruining the fun of others
@stuck spoke If you got hit them you weren't in cover, show the replay or spot and I can explain to you how to make that not happen again
stuck spoke
Ok he fired up and over the hill
thick trout
lol at series are "playable" tanks
@kind bluff I actually really enjoyed the AT8 idek why lol
@stuck spoke Show me on a map, "hill" isn't useful at all
gentle shard
Because I want to have it in my garage and ruin the games for people and oneshot and do zero damage @thick trout and you can do NOTHING about it
Its not necessary to keep saying the same shi t over and over and over
thick trout
@gentle shard So you are admitting you are selfish, insensitive and generally ignorant on purpose? I can't do anything but you can, you can always change and become a bearable person very easily
But anyway I'm out for a bit try and stay sane and I'll try and reply as soon as I can to whatever you come up with
gentle shard
Yes I am selfish if playing (or couldnt be able to playing) 183. If this makes me ignorant and selfish, yes I am.
pliant lodge
@gentle wasp Why didn't they give FVb HP buff instead tho?
gentle shard
Just for you to know, I am not a person you can convince to accept your opinion about playing it or not
next solstice
Good for you
gentle shard
I have a month or so till I got the 183 so stay tuned
stuck spoke
Man this guy is saying that i should ruin my own fun just so other people dont have to see it
grizzled moth
Ace the 46 great tank its odd at first but great once u get use to it
gentle shard
Because if you dont you are selfish and ignorant @stuck spoke
stuck spoke
I dont know about you but my fun comes before being a "bearable" person in other peoples whose opinion really doesnt matter to me
Get the 183@gentle shard not the best tank but its fun
gentle wasp
@pliant lodge they did, to 2150
gentle shard
I will :) I think he gave up just for now, so any opinions about at15 lol
Imma use 32pdr and try to position myself wisely
stuck spoke
Use the 200 alpha
The only thing i can say about the at15 is that it can 1v1 the Chrysler pretty well
gentle shard
Somebody told me to use 32 here? Actually 32 is better only on alpha damage
Its alpha is 250 and 20's alpha is 190
stuck spoke
More damage means higher end of round damage
gentle shard
You mean alpha damage or damage per minute?
gentle wasp
@gentle shard yea I did, and you should. The thing struggles to put out damage anyway and having 190 alpha at t8 will make it an even worse tank
stuck spoke
Idk
plucky summit
Action X would like to disagree
gentle shard
32 is cheaper on xp this makes me think its worse but idk
mental violet
@thick trout I am saying that the majority may well think the 183 isn’t fun in totality. That doesn’t mean you should make it personal and try stop everyone from playing it because that’s selfish on your end with your logic that playing it is selfish on their end.
And that Porsche example counts, your “fun” argument is not enough reason to just block it. WG should rework it sure (=might be opinion of majority), but that doesn’t mean individuals can’t still play it as long as it’s as is.
I’ll leave it here
plucky summit
I think 183 is a very fun credit burner
stuck spoke
Spam that hesh
plucky summit
Yeye boii, nutty feeling getting off HESH shots, especially with foolish facehugging IS-4s
gentle shard
Have a good evening everybody see you soon
stuck spoke
Went against a grille who said theh loved his tank. One HE shot later he did not like it anymore
plucky summit
I actually don't use HE, I have the credits to load all HESH for those shell types
stuck spoke
Mine is 8/5/2
plucky summit
Mine is 7/8/0 lol
stuck spoke
Probably because i dont trust hesh at all
plucky summit
I trust HESH too much, imagine if HESH had normalization, man I would love it
haughty forge
Ehh imagine if HEAT had ....
stuck spoke
I learnt from the 4202 not to trust in hesh
plucky summit
Learn to trust HESH with 183, because with CS, you got yourself 242mm of penetration
Aw man, for some reason I've penned more side shots on Sheridans with HESH than I've splashed them. Heck, I've simply HESHed more Sheridans than I've splashed them
stuck spoke
Ive hit the tracks of 50b's too many time
plucky summit
Ouch, the feeling of taking 1300 off of people is too much for me to quit tho
stuck spoke
The tortoise tho...
haughty forge
then just dont shoot at tracks? i mean just aim little up and boom
plucky summit
@haughty forge RNG is a thing, and so is trying to shoot before the enemy gets to cover
stuck spoke
You know. Its not like ive tried that
haughty forge
yes with 183mm gun accuracy tho , idek never played it but i feed amx 50 b with 1200dmg on jageroo most of the time
stuck spoke
What accuracy
plucky summit
Jageroo is quite more accurate, and also presents better shell velocity with HE
stuck spoke
The 183 has the worst stats on basically everything in terms of derp t10 td@plucky summit
haughty forge
is calculating too hard on a moving object?
plucky summit
Oh I pop shots just fine, it's just that if the shell were to hit low, then the velocity may handle if it hits a wheel or not
stuck spoke
Its an 830 shell velocity
haughty forge
well i am out, i need to grind some ratings before it is closed
stuck spoke
The wz td has worst shell velocity i think
plucky summit
@stuck spoke 183 has better pen, overmatch vs 60mm plates, and increased two-caliber normalization, as well as much better HE type shells, given HESH
pliant lodge
Have some armor tho @stuck spoke but it's not a popular TD to use lol
stuck spoke
Thats obvious tho@plucky summit
plucky summit
So is the fact that jageroo has more DPM
stuck spoke
The 183 has the worst dpm ap only
plucky summit
Also many players don't know what normalization or overmatch is, so it's not as obvious as I've taken you claim it to be
gentle wasp
Jg has better gun handling, prammo, camo, and armor
stuck spoke
Same camo rating tho
plucky summit
Well 183's prammo is the thing that generally sets it out lol
I love that 183 gets 0% camo after firing, and Jag gets 1%
gentle wasp
@stuck spoke no it isn't
plucky summit
Also even though the values are the same, the camo is considered better in Jag, for when still (5%), and moving (3%), is it because of the size?
Also Jageroo can more confidently take 3 152mm shells without dying
gentle wasp
I'm looking at blitzhangar and it shows very small differences in the values
Maybe just a rounding issue on blitzstars' end
@stuck spoke Jag
stuck spoke
BRUH
plucky summit
Ouch, Jageroo is the largest TD tho
pliant lodge
But the most deadly gun
stuck spoke
If you can hit
plucky summit
183 has a more deadly gun, but Jageroo has the option of frontlining
haughty forge
second lining*
plucky summit
Eh, yeah, they'll spam HEAT on the superstructure
stuck spoke
268 heat
plucky summit
183 is only bad because it's quite far from the meta, though it can perform very differently in battles
stuck spoke
183 in realistic battles
plucky summit
KV-2 is more realistic then
Too bad this game is not necessarily a simulator like War Thunder xD
But hey, I don't see small tanks easily ammo racking the big boys like in that game
A l s o, can you ammo rack someone if they don't have ammo in Blitz?
lyric oriole
You are supposed to he able to, but you are required to pack ammo now so not really anymore
plucky summit
I think you could in training rooms, since I often find people without ammo in there by accident
keen escarp
Yeah @plucky summit
solid gate
183 in realistic battles
@stuck spoke Your name is right.
sterile lark
I wanna start a new tank destroyer row. Is the obj.268 one good?
plucky summit
Yeah, the tier 9-10 is meh, but the rest stand out quite a lot
haughty forge
wut is the skill cap for jageroo
restive ravine
Should I upgrade the motor or save it for is3 ?
kindred wren
Check if the IS-3 used that motor as the stock engine or not
restive ravine
Yes he use it also at the top motor
feral zephyr
what line is IS-3
restive ravine
Russian heavy
kindred wren
Then research it since it’ll make your stock grind with the IS-3 easier
restive ravine
Ok thx 😁
kindred wren
Generally I would upgrade all tanks to all modules just to get the best (and the intended) experience with them
solid gate
What tier 7 tanks are good for smasher hunting, I want to make people regret their purchase
restive ravine
@kindred wren got the upgrade that's faster for the tank haha awesome
What tier 7 tanks are good for smasher hunting, I want to make people regret their purchase
@solid gate with all fast tank(light or meds) if the smasher get isolated you can kill him easily. Just have to find him before he find you and wish he is noob or his team not support him 🤷
kindred wren
The best tank for Smasher hunting is a tier eight heavy with at least 400 alpha
solid gate
In that case would a 105mm jadgtiger 8.8 do good for that?
feral zephyr
is t-34-3 good
kindred wren
It has a bit low alpha but the armour profile is good enough to give them a hard time
@feral zephyr Take the Chimara and make it garbage, and bam! just like that, you have a T-34-3
Jokes aside, it’s a fairly bad tank and something for lovers only
feral zephyr
okay thank you
karmic nymph
A t29 would fare ok against smashers, so would a tiger 1 cause you can use that mobility. Or a black prince can just burn it down if it’s out in the open, only thing is bp is slow
crimson crest
Kpf 70 needs pin and aim time buff
broken sentinel
No, it just needs an HE damage and top speed buff. The gun handling is fine. Buff the HE to 780 damage and buff the top speed to 45 or 50 kph
hollow notch
I cant say I have ever had problems with the kpz aim
exotic pagoda
When will they sell the Pravda in store? I really want one
karmic nymph
They just sold the bundle I think
exotic pagoda
It isn't there
gentle wasp
he's saying it was sold very recently. you will probably have to wait a few months for it to return.
exotic pagoda
😓
fervent sand
I think that they should buff the KpfPz 70’s pen. Without calibrated shells you have no hope of penning the lower plate of an IS-7 or even its sides, maus’ lower plate or sides as well. Most tanks are unpenable except for the rear
Everything else is perfect
broken sentinel
@fervent sand most tanks can't pen that, especially tier 9 tanks. You should be using HEAT in those situations anyways
fervent sand
Oh, I was not aware lol, I guess there is Russian bias (all of my tanks of the tier are Russian)
broken sentinel
No, you're just putting a tier 9 tank against a tier 10 tank
delicate barn
since when does the t1 heavy have so much armor, I blocked over 2k damage in one game
languid needle
Kpz running gun rammer can pen the is7 lower plate as long it’s not angled. And if u aim below the space armor of the side of the is7. It would pen with no problem.
broken sentinel
head on, the IS-7 lower plate is 248mm
the KPZ has 240mm of APCR pen
But still, just shoot HEAT
plucky summit
Technically head on from that POV it’s 238mm effective
broken sentinel
my cursor is literally over it, you can see by the armor indicator that it's 248mm
it ranges from 239 to 248
plucky summit
APCR has 2 degrees of normalization, using the AI on that means you’re seeing armor against HEAT or HE/HESH
broken sentinel
sure, the main thing is that you have a 50% chance of penning. If you wanna guarantee it, shoot HEAT
wise moth
@broken sentinel You're underestimating normalization After normalization, it's actually ~220mm effective
broken sentinel
i see
wise moth
Also @broken sentinel @plucky summit U guys are different people? I've been operating under the assumption y'all were the same person this whole time lol
broken sentinel
if only armor inspector was free for higher tiers
plucky summit
We are actually friends on Blitz just because of our names lol
broken sentinel
ye lol, i remember running into you and being like "What? why?? Huh?"
plucky summit
I think it was a t3 match
broken sentinel
it may have been, I think it was on Winter Malinovka too
wise moth
At first, I saw this just now and like "why is Christianman777 arguing with himself?"
And then I'm like... "I'm an idiot"
plucky summit
Oh, I remember Mines ._.
Maybe we simply met again on a low tier again
broken sentinel
maybe, it was so long ago I can't remember
plucky summit
Plot twist, I used an alt to make myself look better in vehicle discussion
broken sentinel
no, that's not the case lol
you can tell by the way we speak
wise moth
@broken sentinel Well, at least for me, I can't tell lol
broken sentinel
bruh
wise moth
I mean, it's probably been like over a year now or something that I've assumed you two were the same person
Albeit, I'm pretty rarted
broken sentinel
lol
tulip sail
Wait I wasn't the only one? Well thats good
plucky summit
777 gang
broken sentinel
not surprised TBH, just keep in mind that I have my clan tag after my name
You can also check our Discord names (mine's Blanchboi, his is MS-1)
wise moth
@broken sentinel I always assumed that you had just changed your name or something lol
broken sentinel
lol
wise moth
Since until now, I've never seen you guys in the same room
broken sentinel
yeah, I've always pretty much agreed with what he says, so I just let him do his thing lol
plucky summit
One of us. One of us. ONE OF US. ONE OF US!
I got my armor coloring guide done for the rest of the year, time to make some colored pencils s h o r t
Already used it once on a rather stupid looking imaginary tier XI version of the VK 72.01 K
I presumed the tier X indicator as reference lol, it's noted
tulip sail
You i knew they were different people but for some reason it registered in my head as the same name
plucky summit
I mean it's super similar, yours doesn't have [C-Word]Man777[7]
tulip sail
Mine used to bounce between random sherman variants and the 777 was the only easy way to tell bc i also would have a pfp of said variant
Till I figured this was the most accurate I could have
plucky summit
Lol
tulip sail
I might have an issue
plucky summit
@tulip sail I had an issue with mass producing 3Dish tank drawings lolol
tulip sail
Lol that's actually pretty cool I just know way too much about the m4 platform
plucky summit
M4 Improved sexiest M4 imo
tulip sail
I'm not so sure
plucky summit
Be sure about my opinion ;)
tulip sail
Id probably say the proto for the fl/10 for me (ik I'm just saying I'm not sure I agree)
plucky summit
I don't really like round hulls unless you go AMX 40 level round, turret rounding is 10/10, would IS-7 again
tulip sail
Lol yeah for the most part I agree but there's just something about the m4a1 hull
Especially with the fl/10 turret though the M-60 also looks great (and I really want it in game)
plucky summit
They do look defined
tulip sail
There's so many variants that would be nice additions to the game
plucky summit
Too bad tier V has a pretty mixed med meta
All I think of when I see tier V meds is "he slaps 160, just shoot him when you can"
fervent sand
I got really lucky and got a T-22 med. in one crate. I have been having a lot of fun in it, but lately been getting absolutely smashed without doing very much. Any tips for playing?
gentle wasp
Side scrape and over angle the sides, because you have stupid side armor
plucky summit
The triangle tank
fervent sand
K
fleet vector
Making an SU 18 model and I placed 4 peace’s upside down using super glue, please help
tulip sail
Only tip I can give is to use testors model cement next time
fleet vector
The store didn’t have modeling cement sadly
tulip sail
Oof try Amazon
fleet vector
Hm, I just need glue remover tbh
tulip sail
I've never seen any that works well on super glue that doesn't eat plastic
fleet vector
when you read the bottel and it says the glue dries in 30 seconds
devout canopy
Pffft
plucky summit
SU-18 adorable SPG @fleet vector
Mainly because it's based off of MS-1
fleet vector
yes, it is
ok well crap i messed up again bruh
@tulip sail nail polish remover worked fine, didn't even melt te plastic
solid gate
Is the Pantera better than the Progetto?
gentle wasp
No
wise moth
No
crystal hare
Strv m/42 is a beast
I love it, fav tier 5 med
shell forum
But it is the most depressed tank...
haughty forge
no armor at all and get penned by leopard
plucky summit
ALmost won a 1v4 in it ;-;
Derp KV-1 wins
delicate barn
Should I try to go back to the is4 line? Or should I keep farming with the t1 heavy line? I want a good mobile heavy that can deal a big alpha and has the armor to be aggressive, but also the mobility to get places quickly.
solid gate
Making an SU 18 model and I placed 4 peace’s upside down using super glue, please help
@fleet vector
Borrow it to your sister or neightbours kid maybe ask mother to wibe dust away. All parts will be apart . Also sunhine will make it in time.
The WR nerve this tank would make it on seconds.
tulip sail
@fleet vector huh interesting last time I tried it it made my tamiya kit super soft (granted it was the old 251 halftrack)
candid harbor
buff gun handling on cdc it is absolute garbage for giant paper tank with bad traverse, not good view range and bad camo rating.
keen escarp
O
hexed skiff
Ahhh the good times
elder saddle
Gets out E25 you were saying?
tough depot
ahhhh yes, good times, first key free from the blaze event
mellow crane
Lets flex
quartz socket
lucky dudes
solid gate
:sob
solid gate
jealous
rotund palm
More smashers
We neee more E25
gentle shard
So this guys hasnt ruined anything
gentle shard
oblique forum
gaes i had money but not much if i need to choose which i should buy between t34-3 or type 62 which should i buy?
hollow belfry
Type 62 imo
dusky coral
Yo guys does the ATGms rockets cost gold or credits
hollow belfry
Can be bought with both as all premium ammunitions.
stuck spoke
This mans never used premium rounds
pallid gorge
Is the wz-112-2 worth getting?
hollow belfry
Yes
alpine niche
gaes i had money but not much if i need to choose which i should buy between t34-3 or type 62 which should i buy?
@oblique forum Type 62 for sure. 1.2k battles and 67wr just shows how dominant the tank is
gentle wasp
I have 1.4k and 70%. It’s a fantastic tank.
oblique forum
oke thanks for the advice
alpine niche
It really is altho my luck rn sucks cause i keep getting matched into tier 8 7/10 times so i havent been running it as much
plucky summit
Tier 8 is a magnet tier
gentle wasp
I almost find it better at t8. The huge strength is the HEAT pen and I feel that when I face t6 I am just another tank
stuck plank
Worth it ? https://prnt.sc/u2amar
gentle wasp
Very. Both tanks are very good
brisk jacinth
Isn't this wz in this package exactly like the IS-3?
hollow belfry
It’s one of the best, if not the best IS clone
gentle wasp
It’s much better than the Is-3
hollow belfry
^
balmy wagon
Sloped armor is better than pike nose for me
plucky summit
It's better simply because the base armor is angled more than the pike nose
hybrid dirge
Pls buff Kpfpz....
fleet vector
If I finished the su 18 body now it just needs paint, I can’t be bothered to do the tracks
tulip sail
Is it just me or does the t-34-3 have an incredibly weak ammo rack? Bc I've been ammo racked 5 games in a row now
@fleet vector looks good
small cosmos
Most Chinese and soviet tanks have weak ammo racks
Like the is7
tulip sail
I've never noticed it much in any of the others that I've played
small cosmos
34-1 and 34-2 are fire hazards
And t54 and t62a have weak ammo racks
hollow belfry
I second that, chinese meds have really weak ammo racks
small cosmos
It’s the cheap communist construction
hollow belfry
« made in china » they said
small cosmos
Yesh
tulip sail
The worst part is I think i even have the protective kit on
small cosmos
Yeah same
tulip sail
Oh make that 7
small cosmos
??
tulip sail
7 times in a row
small cosmos
Ooooooof
Tough luck
tulip sail
Yeah the annoying thing is it'll be the second or third time I'm penned withought getting a damaged ammo rack
tulip sail
I dont think I've ever seen this much dedication in t1
burnt schooner
@fleet vector looks good :)
small cosmos
trash average damage :||
hollow belfry
78 average damage at tier 1...
small cosmos
I have 10x that
next solstice
ok clubber
plucky summit
@fleet vector cut a strip of paper for the tracks ;)
tulip sail
Photo copy paper or cardboard
hidden mauve
Is the kranvagn armoured ? And is it like the progetto 46 in terms of reloading ?
tulip sail
It looks like it'll be good but since stats change it probably won't be this strong for ever
plucky summit
I jus wanna look up when hulldown and they're like "where da cupolas go?"
tulip sail
Where's the cupolas period
lyric copper
nice
restive ravine
How is this possible on this tank ??? Diiiiiiiicker maxxx
lyric copper
you ammoracked em
restive ravine
I didn't focus on him just shoot without sniper mode 🤭
It's funny lol
lyric copper
well that’s just luck
restive ravine
Yeh a little skill haha, shoot him when he is backup but too slow for me lol
storm apex
dw im on the SU line 😉
restive ravine
I would love it to get the isu 152 but not started the line and no time left so next year haha I think
fleet vector
i just painted SU 18, i'll show you once it's dry 😎
tulip sail
Nice
solid gate
plucky summit
u makin me wanna draw tanks now
lyric copper
just what on earth is that turret, front looks okay and then it looks like the designer’s pet nudged their hand up or something
plucky summit
Remember, ARL stock turret exists
solid gate
This thing atleast can aim its gun down
lyric copper
pretty sure ARL never had the birdcage turret
plucky summit
Well the FCM F1 existed
plucky summit
spaced armor = compensation
fleet vector
I decided to go for dazzle paint lol
plucky summit
hot
keen escarp
@fleet vector wut tank is that supposed to be
tulip sail
Su 18
@keen escarp
keen escarp
kk
small cosmos
I got 1 shot ammo racked in the 120
solid gate
MS1 but TD
pine tulip
They ever going to sell the WZ-120-1G FT? Ive seen all the other premium tank for sale 2 to 3 times just never that chinese td foralmost a year
tulip sail
Probably
orchid nymph
It's really op so it'll be in crates
tulip sail
Or really expensive such as 15-20k gold
woven stone
Probably going be in lockboxes like the Smasher
untold iron
Are there gonna be any premiums from the americans or p o s s i b l y french for sale at any point?
rotund palm
WG gonna sell WZ-120-1G FT ?
tulip sail
@untold iron probably within the next month or so
untold iron
Oof
kind bluff
wg will sell 120-1G for gold crates, or straight up cash, never gold straight up
mellow glacier
Can anyone show me how to mod WoTB skins on PC
I know i have to open certain files and replace them on WinRAR
elfin berry
Can i send vid to ur dm? @mellow glacier
gray bolt
Since this chat is dead, let me suggest a Tier 2 Japanese light tank/armored car.
Quad 12.7mm MGs. But the rest of the stats are up to you~! (Including name!)
solid gate
Uhh there’s no way anyone can take that seriously
elfin marten
The KV-10(obj 230)is.. big Soviet calliope with 4 rockets...
mellow glacier
@elfin berry yes pls
languid needle
Not gonna happen with blitz physics
serene maple
I dint see any change in reload though...
fervent thunder
rapid orchid
Tokyo drift
keen escarp
@fervent thunder ur name ...
fervent thunder
Yeah it’s been like this for a while I’m pretty sure she’s seen it a few times 😂
stray cedar
Didn't even realize i was doing this well lol. My favorite tank tbh.
keen egret
calm drumBOT
Spray#1004 has been warned.
stray cedar
B r u h
spice steeple
Bro
rancid mauve
I’ve heard that the WZ 112-2 is a good tournament heavy. Is this true? Worth getting?
unkempt jasper
rancid mauve
Nice
lyric copper
oh and it’s a nice sidescraper, the reason why it doesn’t have to watch for the pike nose plates getting penned is that it has none
limber sonnet
I can penetrate the front of the wz 112-2 with my Lowe ´s AP using CS
whole needle
I got easily destroyed by a medium tank(forgot the model) but i was using a Alecto, a tier IV tank destroyer
It was shooting at my front not the back
solid gate
T-54/55 Enigma will be cool to add in 😀
mellow falcon
The problem is the Alecto has trash armour all round no matter where you look
hollow belfry
Alecto is just easy HE
lyric copper
nah Alecto is easy RAMMING
haughty forge
Even leopard with machine gun can HE it
tender sigil
how about Toaster?
open solstice
Which heavy is better,wz113 or t110e5?
tender sigil
depends on how you play
nimble oriole
And depends who your playing against but I wold recommend t110e5 it harder to pen
pulsar ginkgo
Why wz-112-2 is so bad
fierce raptor
why not
tulip sail
Its not its probably one of the best is clones
brisk jacinth
Got the E75 today
tulip edge
Wz 112-2 is not bad
glass relic
112 2 isn't bad..
solid gate
Its bust it canon which sucks, like all the IS clones. Really bad aiming time and dispersion
glass relic
It's the average 122mm cannon what do you expect.
solid gate
And ? Couldn't it be more precise ?
glass relic
Refined gun should help a bit
solid gate
Without joking.Without equipements or consummables
candid harbor
run supa charga and vetikal stablize
solid gate
I know how to arrange it, ahh let it be
glass relic
I'd take less dispersion over aim time.
solid gate
Me too
glass relic
Because you'll ended up being in a frontline anyway.
solid gate
And still they are front tanks, no really need to have sniper canon. Yes
Wonder if they will one day adjust the armor of the M4A1 Revalorisé to set it as the one of the M4 of tier V, and same for the T30, T34 (normal and independance) with the T29
glass relic
The revaloise doesn't need a good measure of adjustment as it's original counterparts since it'll make it become more of a glass cannon even though it's already are a glass cannon.
solid gate
Still this would be correct to do it, M4 is a heavium at tier 5, but M4A1 is paper at tier VIII, its sad
haughty forge
m4 is heavium at tier 5? the what?
glass relic
I never thought someone would say an M4 is a heavium....
haughty forge
also , ravioli has much better gun compared to m4 and even tier to tier ravioli is better
solid gate
Ravioli ? Why
glass relic
Revaloise is just enough imo no need more changes it got the correct amount of alpha to be a proper glass cannon with it's other stats.
Since Pre buff revaloise was meh...
solid gate
I mean of the armor I agree to say that the canon is good of course
This Is not a lot more mm of armor of what i think it should have, I just mean it should have the same armor as it tier V clone, logic for me, nothing commlicated, imo
haughty forge
It already has same armour as tier 5 m4
solid gate
Not at all
glass relic
Well all I can say is just
Paper armor is paper armor.
solid gate
haughty forge
Hmm right , idk then
solid gate
And I think it should be similar in that case because been able to get à frontal HE for a Med at tier VIII is not normal
haughty forge
Ask wg
solid gate
If that wasn't the same tank, Ok, but they are true clones. How?
lost tree
How should I be playing the T-34-3?
glass relic
2nd line and just peek a boom.
haughty forge
Yolo into enemy
solid gate
Lol because of no depression x)
lost tree
I usually frontline with it and get 1 shot off and then get penned from the entire enemy team instantly and die
glass relic
I personally use my T-34-3 to get into good early game position for early damage to punish enemy mediums or lights
haughty forge
Typical newbie buying higher tiers
solid gate
Oof
lost tree
I just don’t play meds lol
haughty forge
@lost tree ign?
glass relic
You better use your turret armor rather than letting your hull getting shot like a dummy doll
lost tree
I play heavy and TD so idfk how to play med
solid gate
So why do you ask ?
glass relic
T-34-3 isn't a really proper medium so you should play it cautiously
lost tree
So hull down?
solid gate
IT has 5degree of depression so not at all
glass relic
Which is obvious enough and yes conserve your HP till late game if things going south
small cosmos
Play the t34-2 instead that’s how
glass relic
Am I dumb for buying a T-34-3 after 5,5? Just to see there's more better option from time to time?
small cosmos
Idk maybe
glass relic
But somehow I like the tank even though I never went to 121 line to experience with 122mm gun on a mediums.
grand linden
if you like the tank its not a bad buy
open solstice
Probably is a fun tank
candid harbor
@lost tree play it like td with turrent
behind meds
lost tree
Thanks
exotic pagoda
I like the tier 8 gun the tier 9 engine
haughty forge
t22 should get rear armor nerfed to 80mm
small cosmos
Shuddup
eternal salmon
pls buff the kv3, kv4 and St1 speed, they barely get to the battle field because they are so slow.@grand cliff could you help?
lost tree
@eternal salmon it’s a trade
haughty forge
@eternal salmon did u really had to ping them , u know they cant do anything
eternal salmon
they have more power then me over the game, so i ping them
haughty forge
they are not balancing team either
lost tree
@eternal salmon illogical, also they don’t need a buff, they trade speed for armor, gun, etc
eternal salmon
then who are?
solid gate
@eternal salmon don't ping them for things like that
lost tree
@eternal salmon they are fast enough anyways so point irrelevant
eternal salmon
the kv3, kv4 has stupid speed and aim,
solid gate
They base nerfs and buffs off of in game data. Some dude pinging them on discord is not going to get anything accomplished.
lost tree
Exactly
kind bluff
btw they are not bad they are decent
eternal salmon
well, that didn't help, thx
lost tree
@eternal salmon typical Russian heavy, high dmg, ok reload, trash aim, ok speed
Idk why ur mad
eternal salmon
lol, im not mad, @lost tree true, the aim is trash
solid gate
Get closer
eternal salmon
?
lost tree
You shouldn’t complain about a simple tech tree similarity, it goes for the entire Russian tech tree, if u don’t like bad aim and speed than go for something german or English
solid gate
If you can't hit the broadside of a barn just get in the barn. Problem solved
kind bluff
tier for tier kv-3 is decent and will land shots if ur actually in the right spot
kv-4 is decent all around and has very good pen (can pen tiger II standard ammo in the front)
lost tree
Kv4 is op imo
haughty forge
it is not bruh
kind bluff
eh it's good but for sure not best in class
lost tree
It’s literally a land ship with ridiculous side scraping capabilities the only downside is rotation and it’s bad aim time and reload, besides that if you’re in front of a kv4 you should be scared, I know I am in my tiger II
haughty forge
in front of kv4 i will load gold or shoot cupolas ,
lost tree
Yes but that’s just trading, so depends on what tank you’re in
It isn’t extremely hard to pen so if u side scrape it’s just very very good it all depends on the player and how they play it
eternal salmon
what i want is a good heavy, the only tank I don't have. any recommendations?
kind bluff
it's a good defensive tank at a distance but loading pramo up close can butter up the turret cheeks
haughty forge
KV4=garbage can
next solstice
there's alot of good heavies. You gotta be more specific than that
lost tree
Is4, wz113, e75 these 3 are good for me
eternal salmon
i want a heavy with good armor,aim and speed. lol
lost tree
E75
still hill
Us tanks ?
next solstice
You're just asking for a tank that can do everything
kind bluff
E5
lost tree
Exactly the closest to that would be the e75
eternal salmon
why would i not want one?
haughty forge
because there is none
next solstice
i love the e5
lyric copper
if you want a do it all tank, use a medium, not a heavy
still hill
The jack of all trades :v
lost tree
Because they don’t exist @eternal salmon every tank has a downside
kind bluff
E50M then
next solstice
i doubt Loki can handle the e50 grind
eternal salmon
i know, what is the best heavy tier 10 with good aim and armor. the rest i dont need
lyric copper
so you want a good gun and armour?
haughty forge
as i said , there is none
kind bluff
215b
lost tree
Lol 215b
next solstice
215's ufp's kinda doo doo
eternal salmon
no premium or colectable
haughty forge
he needs armor along with good gun , which does not exist
kind bluff
i never said good armor vs heavies/tds
lost tree
then nothing @eternal salmon
still hill
I think E5 ?
next solstice
provided he can hull down
eternal salmon
i have the m103, the
lost tree
@eternal salmon get t57 heavy and the e5
eternal salmon
next solstice
then grind to the e5
eternal salmon
ok, then ill go for e5, thx for the help guys.
next solstice
also put on some equipement and provisions. You're missing out
haughty forge
all the modules and crew is 100%, not single provision or slots , big brain, not even camo,,,
kind bluff
use the premium provisions if ur going M103/E5
eternal salmon
@next solstice there is one thing i haven't got plenty of. thats credit
next solstice
not a fan of the reactive armor tbh
kind bluff
u need speed
next solstice
you have enough credits to get some equipment.
and provisions don't cost 2 mil
lyric copper
@eternal salmon at least get rammer
eternal salmon
ok
you have enough credits to get some equipment.
and provisions don't cost 2 mil
@next solstice im not sure, but i thing i used 2 mil for a t8 equipment
next solstice
you dont have to buy all the equipments
kindred wren
I never thought that I’d see anyone else with a grinding setup here
solid gate
Should i buy indie pz or ru 251
kindred wren
Both, in reversed order
solid gate
So first ru and then indie
kindred wren
Yeah
deft glen
kindred wren
There’s always the risk that you might not like the tanks but that kind of adds to the experience of getting a new tank
solid gate
Yep
I like play pretty much every tank except hevy tankd
They are just too slow for me
hollow belfry
Depends on what heavy you are using
solid gate
Churchill VII
hollow belfry
The Churchill’s top speed is amongst the lowest in the game
Lots of heavies are way faster.
karmic nymph
Most heavys way faster. I hated the Churchill cause it was so slow, the black prince is quite good tho
solid gate
Im trying to get black prince
karmic nymph
T29 and tiger 1 are great right now
The tiger p is also very good. The is is also solid, most heavys are quite good right now
karmic nymph
Tiger 1 is quite mobile for a heavy. So are the is tanks
hollow belfry
It’s a great tank.
Good top speed, very fast traverse, okay hull with a pretty decent turret front and a laser gun.
wide flume
Can someone tell me how much golds should I pay for Super conqueror If I will sell it?
hollow belfry
Selling a T10 collector will grant you 7500 gold.
ember bobcat
mint aurora
😬
hollow belfry
Not even 4889 dmg
mint aurora
How much dmg i need to hit to ace?
hollow belfry
You need more exp
mint aurora
Ohh yup i forgot
wide flume
OMG I want to open t-22 and don't Super con in a moment so just tell me how much I should pay for it if I will want to bring it back.And cause wg support slow answering guys
hollow notch
Nothing, crates are a waste of money
tough depot
I sold my kv 2 cuz i didnt like to play it
@solid gate mmmm i sold my kv2 cuz i got the smasher
solid gate
Which ones would you guys prefer the Jpanther or the is2 pravda sp
karmic nymph
If you gonna buy the Prada you should instead by the 112 bundle. 2 of the best tanks in the game
solid gate
Ok
gentle wasp
Yea I don’t see the point of buying the Pravda. JPanther is a different tank, and a tech tree one, but it is much better.
astral pendant
Whenever I play the KV-1S I always feel like it is underpowered. For its tier, it has some massive weak spots on all sides, and for the gun, you have to choose between either a good penetration or a good dpm. None of the two guns are really good enough for a tier 6 IMO. Am I just playing it wrong or do you also think the KV-1S is weak?
gentle wasp
It’s still pretty good. Nice mobility, 400 alpha, and passable armor.
astral pendant
400 alpha damage is fun, indeed, but the reload time just absolutely kills the tank. Any other tank will win in a damage race because the HP isn't exceptional either.
gentle wasp
It’s not meant to out-DPM tanks or brawl with heavies. 400 alpha on a decent platform is pretty nasty to outtrade things.
astral pendant
The other thing hurting the gun though, is the aiming time. Before you have a steady aim, many opponents will have been able to fire twice whenever you fire once.
And you can't really be the one waiting for the other tank to get out of cover because they'll be able to get out before due to their lower reload.
gentle wasp
Close range ambushing tanks will solve that problem
grand linden
you can get one of the best tier 8 and tier 7 for less than one mediocre tier 7 at most ill get the wz deal
astral pendant
Won't close range ambushing, without any proper support from other tanks, end in a dps race most of the time though?
gentle wasp
You have enough mobility to decently ambush tanks from medium to short range, and the armor isn’t paper enough that most tanks can just point and shoot you
kindred wren
No, because most of your opponents are two-shots so you get the first shot advantage and only have to reload another
karmic nymph
Just wait for them to shoot your other heavys and then hit them back