Repair it, ez
#vehicles-discussion
plucky summit
storm apex
its like 1k credits per repair and im gonna end up getting tracked and ammoracked again
solid gate
Hi
Wasup
What's your Favorit tank.
Any tier.
Mine is The "Maus" because when I first saw it in WoT blitz I wanted it.
Hope you replie
plucky summit
Mine was the MS-1, too bad it not removed
storm apex
@solid gate u spent that much time typing that?
mine is prob the IS-3 or Scavenger
solid gate
I honestly never played ms1 or like old tanks like mader2 or so
plucky summit
If you're here preupdate 5.5, there was a beautiful world of little babies
fervent sand
KV-1S or IS-3
solid gate
My second Favorit is the T95 from America also called " Doom turtel"
gentle wasp
@fervent sand tier for tier Is3 is better
solid gate
Yeah is3 is good but if you angel wrong you dead
Like over angel your sides and they shoot through like it was only 50mm Armour but it's a good tank if you know how to play
plucky summit
If they know the real side armor, they can shoot it like it's 30mm of armor
||Cause it is||
fervent sand
One crate, one tank... how in the heck
Just one crate, I just wanted to try my luck... and I made the 5%
sudden granite
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plucky summit
I got Action X first crate, so
sudden granite
you wanna discuss the T22?
plucky summit
People never seem to realize how angled the side armor is lmao
solid gate
BT7 Arty needs buff. The gun can’t pen practically anything.
woeful creek
I feel the M48 needs a buff
meager sierra
I feel like the Light VIC needs a pen buff
keen escarp
I feel like Kv2 needs less reload..
solid gate
It really doesnt
meager sierra
I feel like the t-22 medium need a front hull armor buff, about 290 mm of armor
plucky summit
lol funny
plucky rain
you inexperienced player,B1 can be penned quite easily even by tier 3 mediums
dusky coral
Ummm I’m no Russian
Like a side scraping b1 is a big pain in the rear
Like I can’t even penetrate it with my a 20 da hell
kindred wren
My favourite tank when I started were the Pz. 38 (t)s, going from the Pz. 35 (t) all the way o the Hetzer and the Pz. 38 nA (I just really liked their looks and how they played). Later on my favourite tank switched with the lines I was grinding, which was basically only the German tree at the time. For example at tier five I really liked the Pz. IV (now called the Pz. IV G), at tier six I was a big fan of the VK 30.01 (P) in particular and the entire VK 30 series in general, at tier seven I especially liked the JPanther and the Tiger I, at tier eight I was a big fan of the Tiger II (though it used to be the worst tier in the German tree), at tier nine I loved the E 50 and the VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B and at tier ten the Maus and the Leopard 1 turned into my all time favourites.
Note that that was before they introduced the Grille 15 line and the German lights and before all the ridiculous German buffs happened.
@dusky coral Better get used to being bullied by certain heavies now than later. Wargaming is on a ‘Heavies First’ trip and made them better than any other tank class with some of the most broken tanks in the game belonging to their ranks
haughty forge
@kindred wren mine was m5 stuart before nerf , pz3, hetzer , kv2 and kv1 before nerf, a20 with broken HE pen
woeful creek
Yeah... I recall the A-20 had an op HE pen
And then WG patched it after a day (I maybe wrong)
haughty forge
not after a day
kindred wren
They gave it an entire update
kind arch
Can anyone help me with the FV 4005 equipment loadout?
pallid gorge
@woeful creek lol don't talk about the a-20 it gave me nightmares about them HE shoots
woeful creek
not after a day
oh
Btw...
How much credits do you need to train your crew to 75% in the M48 patton
kindred wren
@kind arch I would take
Vents
Protection System
Camo-net
Gun laying drive
Improved assembly
Engine accelerator
Vertical stabiliser
Toolbox
Consumable delivery system
But just my personal choice. You can adjust it to fit your playstyle better
keen escarp
....
haughty forge
cs over vents all the day , it is only 5% plus
rotund palm
Is VK 168 good for Pushing Trolls out in the open ?
haughty forge
fatness has made video about 4005
kindred wren
5% crew skill make a massive difference, which is why provisions which give up to 13% extra mastery started a massive powercreep
haughty forge
cs is better than them anyway
kindred wren
Not on this tank. The standard pen is more than enough and the extra HE does not push it enough to make it more effective
haughty forge
it is still makes difference
kindred wren
To be honest I don’t find CS effective in most situations since you have to shoot at something that lets you pen with a 50/50 chance to really feel an effect. Usually you shoot at things that you are certain to pen
haughty forge
294 pen over than 280 all the day
kindred wren
And I take vents over 14mm of extra pen. As I made clear a couple of times, I find the unconditional choice of CS over anything dubious to say the least
haughty forge
also i started using cs on jageroo becuz it lets me butter e100 turret at longer distances, @kindred wren your choice
limber sonnet
I think french autoloaders need fv4005 consumables like shells reload boost, reticle calibration, ...
haughty forge
no they dont
kindred wren
No tank ever needed these broken consumables
limber sonnet
They need to relocate when they are reloading
haughty forge
Fv4005 did , it is huge and paper , agree that e3, e5 and some tanks did not need those
limber sonnet
Also 50b line is paper
kindred wren
The FV4005 also didn’t need them, it has the highest clip potential in the game, high dpm and is also fairly mobile
mental violet
Dont like any of the new consumables tbh
solid gate
Um guys need help what equipments should i put on su 100?
haughty forge
Speedboost is op but it is expensive , will they lower repair cost for fv4005 or not? it eats credits :<
@kindred wren wut do u think
kindred wren
I think that they should have introduced way weaker but nation specific consumables like everyone thought they would
haughty forge
i meant about 4005 credit coefficent and repair cost
kindred wren
I guess just tier ten things
haughty forge
repair cost is high compared to other tier 10
tulip edge
@solid gate
For provisions, I’d use the 10% Crew Mastery boost, the 10% engine power boost and the protective kit because the SU-100 is incredibly easy to ammorack.
Equipment slots
For the 122mm, I’d run a Gun Rammer, Defense System, Binoculars, Gun Laying Drive, Improved Assembly, Toolbox , Refined Gun , Engine Accelerator.
You really want the defense system and protective kit as essentials for the tank.
@rotund palm It’s a pretty heavy tank, so yeah I guess. But I do not think I would ever condone someone using a tank for that purpose
solid gate
@solid gate
For provisions, I’d use the 10% Crew Mastery boost, the 10% engine power boost and the protective kit because the SU-100 is incredibly easy to ammorack.
Equipment slots
For the 122mm, I’d run a Gun Rammer, Defense System, Binoculars, Gun Laying Drive, Improved Assembly, Toolbox , Refined Gun , Engine Accelerator.You really want the defense system and protective kit as essentials for the tank.
@tulip edge thanks.
keen escarp
dang paragraph
stray cedar
Clubbing in the kv1 makes me feel good
storm robin
you inexperienced player,B1 can be penned quite easily even by tier 3 mediums
This! I’m currently grinding it for the BDR and it sucks big time compared to my old Mattie
haughty forge
bruh .
solid gate
I am of opinion that the VK45.02A is not in the right tier , it underperforms in survive ability and firepower
Suggestions to either buff or place in a lower tier and exchange , perhaps give it a faster gun to compensate
rotund palm
Is getting 100k Cred on a T34 Falcon Good ?
haughty forge
yesn't
unkempt matrix
goodnt
hollow belfry
I am of opinion that the VK45.02A is not in the right tier , it underperforms in survive ability and firepower
Suggestions to either buff or place in a lower tier and exchange , perhaps give it a faster gun to compensate
@solid gate the tank is fine. The real buff it needs is to have players not thinking any tank marked as a heavy has impervious frontal armor.
solid gate
@solid gate the tank is fine. The real buff it needs is to have players not thinking any tank marked as a heavy has impervious frontal armor.
@hollow belfry is-8 life.
hollow belfry
Precisely. The average player utterly sucks at driving properly a heavium.
mental violet
Is8 was my favorite tier 9 grind (next to m46 which is the best tier 9 imo) to complete. It is such a good tank. I started the grind thinking I wouldn’t bounce shots, but I bounced a decent amount of shots. Good times
haughty forge
@mental violet but now is8 is not a good tank , idk about m46
mental violet
Idk, was mostly talking about when I grinded, m46 still is great
No need to call me a bot 😉
haughty forge
@mental violet i meant but, i misspelled it sorry
mental violet
@haughty forge np haha
solid gate
guys i got carbon camo for tier 3. on which tank does it look best? or is it other tank than on the pictures?
haughty forge
pz3
unkempt jasper
Hey guys when the kranvagn will be released
haughty forge
soon
woeful creek
Pz 3
solid gate
ok thx guys
glass vector
pz3
solid gate
Is something up with the t34? I got Penned twice through my gun mantlet and one of those was a heat shell
thick trout
@solid gate High pen will go through, and spaced armour isn't impenetrable to heat. HEAT loses penetration power after first contact with armour extremely quickly, but as the T34 has 0mm of primary armour behind its gun mantlet all the HEAT has to do is penetrate the mantlet then cross the distance between the mantlet and the 0mm of armour without losing all it's penetratng power. Things with armour behind the spaced armour are much stronger, but still not impenetrable if you have high enough HEAT pen
solid gate
Well that's nice to know
feral zephyr
should I run extra helth or extra armor on foch?
quartz socket
should I run extra helth or extra armor on foch?
@feral zephyr Prefer extra health...how much HP will increase?
feral zephyr
111
gentle wasp
Take the hp
tame jungle
Add this as a tier 5 premium that plays like a leopard
quartz socket
111
@feral zephyr i prefer u to go for the armour cause according to the Tier 10 tanks, increase of 111 hit points(HP) is low. But ur wish..
gentle wasp
Using the armor is pretty risky because it doesn’t seem to do much. It works better on borderline pens with sharp angles, the Foch is a pretty easy pen with prammo so I would not use armor
quartz socket
Homework...XD
feral zephyr
okay.. and the second question?
quartz socket
Using the armor is pretty risky because it doesn’t seem to do much. It works better on borderline pens with sharp angles, the Foch is a pretty easy pen with prammo so I would not use armor
@gentle wasp It is a good point
gentle wasp
Homework
feral zephyr
too bad ur wrong lol
quartz socket
YEP, the homework😆
kindred wren
Don’t do homework, trust me, it’s an epic feeling when the teacher asks you where your homework is and you tell him that you “forgot” it
feral zephyr
homework ez i do it later
quartz socket
kk
haughty forge
@kindred wren mhmhm horrible feeling u mean
quartz socket
XDDDDD
kindred wren
You get used to it over the years
quartz socket
but don't forget to do it if u pospond, happend to me(When ur teachers is kind)
haughty forge
ye but what is the point of not studying? it will affect u negatively
quartz socket
yep
haughty forge
also this is vehicle discussion not homework discussion lol
quartz socket
TET4CH what is ur wot blitz account? and which server u are?
gentle wasp
True
kindred wren
Discussing vehicles is like Blitz homework
haughty forge
@quartz socket asia Afzalbe
quartz socket
😦 my server is europe but i am from asia XD
haughty forge
i get better ping in eu and i live in middle asia
@gentle wasp , @kindred wren , dpm or pen gun ont54
gentle wasp
DPM (agreed)
kindred wren
This may be a conspiracy, but I felt like the gun leading to the Obj. 140 was more accurate (that’s the dpm one I believe)
Either way, I played both guns quite a bit and liked the one leading to the Obj better
gentle wasp
Yep, I played the pen gun to get to the 62a and then came back with the DPM gun to get the 140 and wow was it a lot better
haughty forge
ye it is dpm one with more accuracy , also send me crew boosters nuuuu , i need em for 4005 , 62a, reee, ( or i will purchase gold for em :>)
haughty forge
@kindred wren send them to me :>
solid gate
Look the krupp 38 D family reunion
pastel moth
I hope they add the flipwagen i wanna filp myself grind ru line again
God t49 everywhere but at least my heat is 250 so very nice
solid gate
Or this as an tier 10
pastel moth
Add arty to wotb to prevent camping do i need the /s lol
solid gate
That's literally a 280mm gun same caliber as the graf spee if I remember correctly
Yes
grizzled moth
Arty is too big for wot blitz and the maps are not rlly open enough for them
pastel moth
Yep i do need the /s
solid gate
Who said its gonna be an arty, it will be an tank destroyer
open solstice
How do i play t110e5?it seems fast but not very fast,has good armor but still doesn't do much
solid gate
It has magic, only is cancerous when you play against one while you play it is absolute trash
haughty forge
bro , why does t54 burn credits more than tier x tanks ;-;
gentle wasp
because the pen isn't good
haughty forge
😔 , losing 15k-20 k per match is not fun
gentle wasp
it's the norm at high tiers
hollow belfry
Another day of grinding my Nashorn. 20k left to research the Jagdpanther
gentle wasp
Love that thing. Still prefer it to the T25 AT or Chi To SPG
hollow belfry
It has no cupola and better mobility than the Chi-To SPG.
gentle wasp
Yea I love the speed/upper plate combo
hollow belfry
Could buy the Tiger I already, but I barely have a third of the free exp needed to skip the gun and turret. I got the 8,8cm PaK 43 L/71 on the Nashorn and the top engine on the VK 30.01 D, so the Jagdpanther will be my first T7.
Way easier as a stock grind of course.
haughty forge
@hollow belfry your first tier 7? is it a reroll? , @gentle wasp meh, i dont lose that much on conway, jagdtiger, jageroo , i earn on them
hollow belfry
It’s a f2p account. I see how far the game economics allow me to go and sustain myself without spending a dime. Doing that I also look up for the best ways to grind a tech tree by modules sharing.
haughty forge
it is hard on high tiers without prem time
hollow belfry
By the way, all the tanks you mentioned above are tank destroyers. It’s understandable that you lose much more credits, in the T-54 you will use much more prammo as it’s pen is lower.
kindred wren
You can go to tier ten with a free to play and still make credits without running premium account. You only sacrifice 13% crew mastery and some speed as well as most of the equipment and the expensive consumables
haughty forge
yes, just fire 4 heat and boom , minus 20k on t54
kindred wren
Oh, and shooting prammo is also a bit of a no-go
haughty forge
seriously my 100k credits got drowned in 5-6 battles , being pro is hard :/
hollow belfry
Credits have been no issue so far using provisions and prammo. Saving my gold for a premium atm.
kindred wren
So you can actually just grind through without having to grind credits for the next tier?
hollow belfry
Not exactly because I’m grinding several lines at the same time to benefit as much as possible of modules sharing
kindred wren
I love a good grinding technique that looks at module sharing
hollow belfry
I was able to research my Tiger I today and can actually buy it, but I won’t do it before I can free exp the gun and turret.
kindred wren
I did that myself with every tech tree except for the Russian
Do you sell your tanks after being done with them?
hollow belfry
My Jagdpanther « stock » grind will be easy with the L/71 and top engine installed. And to be honest, it depends on if I like the tank or not.
kindred wren
Do you keep most tanks or sell most tanks?
On the free to play account only, that is.
hollow belfry
I’ve been enjoying most of them so far, but out of the 3 german T5s only the StuG III G will stay in my garage. So I only have T5+ in my garage and plan on keeping most of them.
kindred wren
I am not sure if the economy allows that with running provisions and prammo. I assume that you are a good player or even a unicum so you will get further than most but at some point the running costs will just be too high to allow for smooth grinding without getting extra credits
hollow belfry
The StuG is staying for it being overall good and fun to play, the Nashorn for it’s gun and mobility. VK 36.01 H for the overall ok gun and mobility along with crazy armor.
I’ve been doing decently well today and kept making credits without premium account or boosters.
kindred wren
Well, that is super unicum stats (which means playing better than 99.9% of all players) so I am certain that you had a good credit flow
hollow belfry
Got the crew to 100% today on the VK 30.01 D and I’m surprised to see I like it that much. In fact a nice combination of good agility and excellent accuracy.
kindred wren
Yeah, it was always a bit underestimated, basically like all VK 30 tanks
The VK 30.01 (P) gained some popularity but then the heavy overbuffs happened and it got drowned out by the ARL 44 or the VK 36.01 (H)
hollow belfry
I still have to gather 16k exp for the VK 30.01 P. Wanted to get the 36.01 Henschel before, as it allowed me to get the KwK 42 L/70 as a stock gun instead of researching it on one of the VK 30s.
kindred wren
Are you only grinding the Germans?
hollow belfry
I will probably go with the japanese mediums and american heavies later as a start.
But yeah, been playing mainly german tanks on this account. I like the gun dynamics making them pretty comfortable to use.
kindred wren
Yeah, they are fairly accurate and the pen is quite good too so you don’t need to use a lot of prammo
haughty forge
get jagdpanzer 4 ,what is ur main stats tho
kindred wren
Aside from that it is probably the strongest tree there is now. A true beginner’s tree
elfin marten
Could this tank be in blitz?
kindred wren
Could? Yes looks at the T28 HTC
haughty forge
it would be trash considering how trash kv4 is
elfin marten
Should?
hollow belfry
I will get the Jagdpanzer IV later. Prefered the Nashorn over it to grind for my Jagdpanther. And @haughty forge, these are the stats on my main
gentle wasp
looks like an elaborate, but worse, Is-2SH
pliant lodge
What is that tank in WOT that is a box with a 180 turret swing???
kindred wren
It’s basically like the T28 HTC
shell forum
Which is a true beginner tree?
Retcon msg, didn't realized I nees to scroll down
kindred wren
Which, contrary to common belief, is actually quite good
@shell forum The German tech tree
hollow belfry
The T28 HTC requires careful positioning in a kind of similar way to the VK 72.01 K.
shell forum
Idk, been hearing Leopard 1 line is skill intensive and i don't have the skill...
elfin marten
Would this be broken in blitz? Prob not?
kindred wren
@shell forum The outermost lines require a lot of skill and adaptability. The further you go to the centre the easier the tanks get
shell forum
And i have the misfortune to be a medium player... Oh well, I'll stuck in limbo for a while...
kindred wren
As long as you give the Leopard 1 and the Grille 15 a miss all German tanks are suitable for beginners and a good place to learn basic game mechanics
elfin marten
hollow belfry
I won’t get the Stürer Emil before a while. It’s stock grind is painful and as a freshly created f2p account, 59k free exp is a lot.
kindred wren
Sturer is spelled without an “ü” 👀
By the way, I have played the game for free ever since I started and I’m doing quite well now with a lot of resources at my disposal. I don’t play as good as you (I am currently rated as “Great” by WN8) but I still come by without much problem
hollow belfry
If I keep saving my gold from ads, various containers and events, I should be able to get the Löwe around december.
haughty forge
why have 2 accounts when u can focus on a one
solid gate
TS5 would be a straight up better T28
hollow belfry
Unless a very good bundle with a tank I’m interested in comes in the store before, I guess ot will be my pic. And having two accounts if I want it is nothing but my choice 🤷♂️. On one of them I’m finding the best way to grind a tech tree and seeing how I can survive as a f2p.
haughty forge
just saying u are going to waste ur time
random tartan
@solid gate it still might not be that great then considering how awful the T28 is
hollow belfry
I enjoy wasting my time then and anyways if I do I don’t see in wich way it concerns you ¯_(ツ)_/¯
kindred wren
Wasting time is the best way to spend time
I mean I’m technically wasting my time here since I don’t even play Blitz a lot anymore I just like pretending that I know something
shell forum
I say it's a good thing for someone to investigate the f2p only aspect of the game and get insights how bad or good the quality of life is
hollow belfry
I mean I’m technically wasting my time here since I don’t even play Blitz a lot anymore
I just like pretending that I know something
@kindred wren then it is for both of us an enjoyable waste of time, I sincerely appreciate talking with you as I’ve been doing this evening.
kindred wren
I found talking with you to be pleasant too
About what I said earlier with the provisions, prammo and equipment, while it is a stretch for good players I actually believe that average and bad players need to drive like that to get a smooth grinding experience. I usually point towards the economy when I talk about whether Blitz is p2w or not
solid gate
Please add waffle e100
hollow belfry
So far, my opinion is that comparatively spending money gives you indeed an advantage on the economics. Especially towards the credits, I have been installing equipment on my all my tanks yet not all seven slots as I usually do. I can run provisions on my tanks and still not lose credits (minus the few steamrolls), but buying a premium tank/account makes it easier. There are of course overpowered tanks having no downsides compared to their tech tree peers, but there are aswell overpowered tech tree tanks. I believe a good player can sustain good performance staying free to play, spending money simply makes your life easier regarding the economics.
shell forum
Well the caveat is a good player can do it, but the average scrub like me get eaten alive by lions (q_q)
hollow belfry
You are currently talking to a former 45% player, don’t worry. It’s about being willing to learn and commitment to keep improving.
shell forum
I'm just a contradicting mess since the supposed "best beginner line" is mostly heavy and I'm more of a fast medium/light player with none of the skill
kindred wren
Yeah, with a lot of credits (and especially premium account) life is a lot easier in Blitz. I actually don’t run with provisions and non-special prammo (like HESH or 130mm AP, other exceptions exist) because I don’t want to support the idea behind it. That’s also why I outright refuse to use op consumables
gentle wasp
E 50 M line is still solid, and 62a is still the recommended beginner med line
hollow belfry
I enjoy mostly mediums or aggressive TD’s. Can do good in fast heavies but not that great at driving lights.
shell forum
Tried the E-50M line, even friends told me they know i am not enjoying that line so hehe... I tried
kindred wren
Heavies are just the strongest class in the game as we speak. That’s why they are usually recommended to beginners
hollow belfry
They are the most forgiving class.
The E50 M line is really not that bad since the buffs a few months ago. The Panther is a great tank and the Panther II is now pretty workable.
grand linden
just switch classes sure its gonna suck playing heavies at first but you have to eventually learn to get used to them. it sucked for me when i had to transition to learn the tyoe 59 but you just have to eventually deal with it
gentle wasp
50 M isn't as good as it used to be but yea the line is still great
hollow belfry
It’s still a fun tank. Far from the best in the heavy meta but nevertheless performs well at bullying mediums and lights.
grand linden
not a big fan of the traverse. rather have poor speed and good traverse than good speed butchered by traverse
shell forum
It's not the line issue. It's the me issue. How I play and how you suppose to play are polar opposite so I was not having a good time
kindred wren
I don’t think that you should play something you don’t like
shell forum
That. That was my point. It is beginner friendly but I hate every moment of it
kindred wren
That begs the question: How do you play, Kuro?
hollow belfry
I don’t think that you should play something you don’t like
^ as I said earlier this evening, tanks stay in my garage or not depending on whether how I enjoy them and can do well in them.
shell forum
I try (emphasis on try) to do less frontlining and more flanking/sneaking/dodging.
In short: more likely to run from a bad fight than stand ground till bitter death
gentle wasp
get a nice light tank line then. what have you got your eye on?
shell forum
Eh... None lol. I'm so focus on my lack of skill I never found the tank line of my calling because either they have high skill floor or just not the type I will enjoy time in
grand linden
the t44 honestly is a great tank try that and yea the 301 is a good option as well
gentle wasp
British lights are pretty low floor right now (for lights/meds) so why don't you give them a try?
hollow belfry
^ they basically combine most advantages of respectively meds and lights so yeah.
shell forum
Fearful of impeding nerf since some media report them as OP. (Actual reason is I haven't even touch the British lines yet)
grand linden
the 301? its not so much op but rather everything around it lacks dpm cause tier 8 meds
hollow belfry
The FV 301 and Vickers Light 105 are good but I wouldn’t say there will be impacted by more than minor nerfs soon. The Vickers Cruiser on the other hand remains overpowered.
gentle wasp
the 8 and 10 should avoid the nerf bat, and I doubt the CR will become bad after its nerf. Same thing happened to the Standard B, got nerfed and is still one of the best
shell forum
Funny that i was consider trying the Italian med then I heard they are like Leopard 1 which gave me a nope immediately
gentle wasp
It gets out damage better but yea you have to not get hit
kindred wren
Don’t get scared off by high skill floors, you don’t know how close you can sit to a fire without making one
shell forum
I can confirm i tried all 4 tank types and the common stereotype i found is I really like tanks with traverse speed on the higher end. Hence my focus on medium/light haha...
Edit: I just have the fear of being ineffective and only serve as dead weight to team, throwing matches
kindred wren
You like turning?
shell forum
Yes, with some memorable moments of snake oiling out of a rush and got away alive (very rare)
gentle wasp
play the heck out of meds and lights until you find one you like then
kindred wren
I would recommend you the Soviet light line leading to the Obj. 140
It has a bit of armour starting at tier seven with reasonable guns and good mobility
shell forum
Hmm... I'll try that and see (maybe start the Brit line when im bored too).
gentle wasp
either branch is good. Light tanks offer more fun and some armor, meds are nice all around
kindred wren
And glorious Russian turn speed
I just tend to recommend the lights because I think they’re more fun unlike the mediums which are a fairly uniform and traditional medium experience
shell forum
Well I'm more concern of skill level so I don't regard tech line most of the time.
kindred wren
Mind if I ask what your current winrate is?
hazy mantle
does t11oe3 get rockets?
gentle wasp
uh no
hazy mantle
thats sad so no usa tds get rockets?
meager coral
I hope ur joking
hazy mantle
im not
shell forum
It's bad enough the American light has rocket that annoy me to no end... Pls don't add more...
hazy mantle
i spent all that time for tier 9 😦
hollow notch
gIvE e1o0 mIsSiLeS
hollow belfry
The T110E3 already received unneeded consumables, no need for more.
meager coral
Yeah it’s a solid tank already
hazy mantle
like what?@hollow belfry
solid gate
e3 with rockets ight you dont even need to hide then like in the sheri
hollow belfry
Reticle calibration and super speed boost
meager coral
Better speed consumable and one that makes the gun accurate
hazy mantle
than why doesnt t95 have rockets?
hollow belfry
Because there is no need for more rockets.
lyric copper
because it’s already op xD
hazy mantle
how?
shell forum
I firmly believe the 155mm gun is sufficiently enough deterrent for anyone in front of it...
lyric copper
do you honestly think I’d be dumb enough to think the T95 is op?
hollow belfry
Seriously, either play your T95 as it is or grind the US lights. You can’t have everything.
hazy mantle
aww i spent loads of time trying to get t95 thinking it had rockets oh well
gentle wasp
why would you think that
lyric copper
you have to be trolling lol
hazy mantle
bc i accused it had rockets just like most tier 9s
hollow belfry
There is only one tier 9 having access to rockets.
shell forum
I'm more terrified you think most tier 9 has rockets...
hazy mantle
hmm i assume to many things 😦
meager coral
He has to be trollin at this point
hazy mantle
im not im just an idiot
hollow belfry
@meager coral considering how smart the average player is, we never can be sure.
hazy mantle
im no average player my brain only holds 8% of the stuff i want it to
lost tree
lol. Bro prob thinks the e75 has missiles
shell forum
Are we about to go Oprah Winfrey and start giving missiles to all tier 9 and 10? Please no...
hazy mantle
oh ok
lyric copper
I mean there would only be 1 tank to get it, the KPF
shell forum
Spotted that edit lol
storm apex
How do i play the SU-152? is it a backline sniper or 2nd line tank?
do i sidescrape? do i peekaboo?
Also, since the reload is so long, is it worth firing a lot more prammo? @storm apex
gentle wasp
Run CS and don't be afraid to use prammo since the AP pen sucks. Make your shots count.
storm apex
what is CS?
gentle wasp
calibrated shells equipment
storm apex
uhhh. im a nub what's that 🥶
oh is it the consumables for each battle?
gentle wasp
first slot of equipment. It is the choice on the right.
No, equipment is different from consumables
storm apex
oh yea i meant equipment. so that's the best equipment right?
r there any other equpiment i should use?
gentle wasp
gun handling ones. Vstab and EGLD.
Also camo
storm apex
ok thx lemme ping myself so i can get back to this XD
@storm apex
shell forum
Not the best SU-152 player but i bring my 152mm howitzer to second line battles. Usually stick a distant behind the heavy and occassionaly poke out to shoot. Not the best style but that what i found fun
storm apex
Cool! i'll try that.
gentle wasp
yea for equipment you should run
R-R-R
L-R-R
L-R-L
shell forum
I know what you mean by that but i cant help but laugh it sounds like a secret cheat code
storm apex
lul. pay tankeatingtiger to get hacks
gentle wasp
lol and then hit tab three times for 1000 free gold
but don't tell anyone
shell forum
Nope
The mobility stuff is a minor help in dealing with flies getting near you but by that point you have bigger issue to deal with. The stock gun is the 152mm howitzer where you load mostly HE and Heat with some AP for targets behind destructible
thick trout
Idk how bad the engine/tracks are but the stock gun is the one you should be using
But it's bast to research the "top" guns before playing the ISU because they are the same on that, and the 122 is much more useful at tier 8 than the stock 152. Obviously go for the BL-10 as fast as you can but use the 122s to grind it
gentle wasp
Correct, the stock 152mm is the gun to use on the Su-152.
thick trout
Yeah I was talking about researching the top guns on the SU152 to save time and pain on the ISU
kindred wren
I should start arguing for the Supercharger, it seems to need some love too
gentle wasp
what would be your argument? I personally run Supercharge on nothing (except maybe my Bromwell, I don't remember)
hollow notch
Oof, I supercharge most things
gentle wasp
why
hollow notch
For the shell velocity
thick trout
I don't think I run supercharge on anything either (maybe the SP1C? and T92?)
kindred wren
I use it on the E100 and VK 72.01 (K)
gentle wasp
I don't play many tanks that have bad shell velo so I never really considered it
kindred wren
Well, since everyone here seems to think that pen is very important, consider it an investment into the future pen of your AP and APCR
hollow notch
I usually dont sit to fully aim anything, and snap
gentle wasp
Lol I use rammer on most stuff too. So would CS and SC be the best combo on something like the Rev?
white rain
People say the Smasher is OP, the KV2 Menacing drops it every time like it's butter. XD
kindred wren
@gentle wasp Penetration loss only really matters over long distances, and I think the first 100 metres there is none at all
gentle wasp
hm ok. So something like the Skorp, how would you set up that
white rain
Lol I've effectively tracked a tank 5 times in a row on purpose at 400m in a T7, not that hard...
kindred wren
@gentle wasp I actually haven’t calculated the pen drop for any tank yet. I was not prepared for being taken seriously here
white rain
Lol
gentle wasp
XD well let me know when you complete your argument. I would like to hear it
fervent sand
Lol
white rain
I've never gotten penetration drop on my TDs no matter the distance
thick trout
I think it was Pos1tive who did some working and found out that the pen decrease was very small even over large distances?
white rain
In the first like 5 tiers I know it's a major drop
gentle wasp
it doesn't have anything to do with tier
kindred wren
It is very small for AP, and also for all APCR shells named APDS (basically what the L7 fires)
random tartan
lmao the guy who thought every tier 9 has missiles got me rolling on the floor
glorious
white rain
Legit APCR is useless in the T25/2 it does nothing more than AP in it
random tartan
??? 80mm of additional pen is useless???
white rain
Yes, it legit does nothing, everything is still red lol
viral lodge
Do you run calibrated?
white rain
?
random tartan
are you shooting at gun mantlets?
It's definitely not useless, the player might very well be however
viral lodge
calibrated shells
silk marsh
I'm thinking on buying the leopard
white rain
No, lol I've killed a T10 in it before
kindred wren
For example the Skorpion G has around 2% loss per 100 metres starting from 100 metres for AP and around 15.5% for the APCR
random tartan
how are you going against tier 10s in tier 7s?
viral lodge
Thats a pretty significate pen increase, not sure what about it is useless
white rain
LOL i was just n a training room battling, and I killed a Obj. 268, I think that's what it was called, it was a Soviet T10 TD
random tartan
I don't know what this guy is on but I want some
training rooms don't matter lmao
kindred wren
Which means that if the tank shoots at targets at 300 metres it has around 248mm of average pen with AP and approximately 225 average pen with APCR without the supercharger but with calibrated shells
white rain
Lol, I still can't pen an AT or a T28 Proto lol
random tartan
"I killed a tier 10 with a tier 3 in a chill/date room :v"
viral lodge
T28 proto armour sucks, its an easy pen especially with your prammo, if you cant pen thats the user not the tank.
white rain
The turret?
random tartan
this all seems like user error to me 🤔
viral lodge
The turret is mostly around 190-200 mm affective, easy pen.
kindred wren
Same thing with the supercharger and we get 252 for AP and 276 for APCR
white rain
It's fully researched and upgraded, and I have a camo net on it
viral lodge
If you are struggling to pen tanks in a TD thats on you not the tank.
kindred wren
So the supercharger would increase your highest effective average pen at 300 metres by 28mm for the Skorpion G
random tartan
tbf the t25/2 has very mediocre standard pen
but saying that he can't pen with APCR? lmao
white rain
I legit can't
kindred wren
That’s more than the Calibrated Shells add to the pen of the Skorpion G’s APCR (16 mm)
random tartan
you're doing something very wrong then
lyric copper
who u tryna pen with T25/2 APCR?
white rain
The most it will do is make the front of a Tiger I clear, that's it
And it does 134-162 dmg on avg
viral lodge
Prammo tends to do that, it has its uses, Prammo is normally the sacrifice of alpha (DPM) for pen. Its normally not meant to fired a lot.
white rain
Like how HE is good for tracks...
kindred wren
It also increases the maximum possible average pen at 200 metres by 25mm if CS is applied
shell forum
I feel dumb for constantly using AP for track... (drive wheel shots)
white rain
Lol
kindred wren
I think I will from now on tease CS-supporters with the supercharger
white rain
What's a quick way to get money in the game, BC I need 1 mil silver
kindred wren
Play birthdays with premium time
viral lodge
Prems
random tartan
you should use AP for tracks from the side .-.
lyric copper
premium tanks, credit boosters and prem acc
white rain
And if I don't have a premium
storm apex
then simp on wargaming
and buy gold
random tartan
missions
viral lodge
Then just play a tank you do well in thats tier 5-8 that doesnt fire a lot of prammo.
white rain
Lol, well the only tank in my garage is the T25/2
kind bluff
well thats a problem good luck
lyric copper
ARL is say is nice, 212 mm pen on top gun no need for prammo most of the time
@white rain you have fun being in debt
white rain
But I was good in the Hellcat tho
lyric copper
never sell tanks to get other tanks, only sell tanks if you wish to do unspeakable things to whoever came up with the design and whoever allowed it to be made in the first place
white rain
Lol ain't that how u clear space?
lyric copper
if it’s for garage spots, sell the tank you like the least, that or get in a clan with supply level for the credits for garage slots thingy
storm apex
ooooor
just simp on wargaming and buy extra garage spots
white rain
Ya but you have to earn up the supply level tho
viral lodge
You lose half the credits you spent buying the tank when you sell it, so no point selling if you can avoid it.
white rain
My T25/2 sells less than a SU-100Y
lyric copper
so don’t sell it
white rain
Even if it sucks and I've completely researched it?
grand linden
yes, sell if you need credits badly
viral lodge
Selling tanks is a bad habbit.
lyric copper
would you sell your tier X tank? It’s fully researched.
white rain
So now, my plan to get 1 mil silver and then sell the T25/2 to get the T28 Proto... Is not good?
viral lodge
Probably not the best line to go down.
kind bluff
if I don't like the tank and there's no use for me playing it I sell it, simple
unless it's prem/collector
white rain
But it makes more money
lyric copper
I can make the same amount of credits at tier 7 as I do tier 10
viral lodge
Selling a tank in the end loses money.
white rain
Ok so I have 909k silver, then the T25/2 sells for 712k and the T28 Proto needs 2.65m silver
kind bluff
yea and when you hit T28 proto you will lose credits every game so good luck getting T30
viral lodge
How about this, Stop Selling Tanks and just grind credits
white rain
That's hard....
kind bluff
@viral lodge i understand it's pretty simple for us but uhhh he has one tank and thats the T 25/2 lmfao
viral lodge
You do realize the amount of credits you need almost doubles every tier you go up, you need about 8 mil to buy and equip a T10 tank. So selling is a bad habit. Selling is credit loss.
If you are having credit problems go any collect T6 tanks, get more lines progressing and learn the game, slowly accumulate credits, watch your gold ads.
lyric copper
aight, lemme give ya a scenario @white rain. Some guy has a WTPz IV, and if he sells it, he’ll have enough to get the Grille 15. Should he sell the WTPz4?
viral lodge
mete they dont even know that tanks you are talking about probably.
white rain
I know the Grille 15
But I'ma presume it's a German T9 tank Destroyer, the other one
viral lodge
Simply put, dont sell any tank that you may want/need later possibly (Most tanks you will own)
white rain
What if it's enriched?
lyric copper
@white rain just so ya know, the WTPz4 is considered better than the grille
viral lodge
If you are going to enrich a tank you may as well buy a prem and never temp enrich ever period.
white rain
The T25/2 is already enriched, and it puts me negative without money boosters
viral lodge
.-.
kind bluff
facepalm
viral lodge
You permanently enriched a tank you dont like?
white rain
In the tutorial that I don't remember didn't it say researching everything and all the tanks that branch from it enriches it?
lyric copper
no, that elites it, all modules unlocked on a tank
white rain
Oh, lol
viral lodge
Enriching is basically turning a tech tree tank into a premium tank. (Credit wise)
white rain
Oh
lyric copper
just start a new account. May as well, seeing as you need to re-read the tutorial. PAY ATTENTION TO INSTRUCTIONS.
karmic nymph
Uh the tutorial doesn’t really give any instructions lol
viral lodge
Honestly you kind of screwed yourself, you went down a bad line and managed to put yourself in a resource deprived situation.
lyric copper
I've had to start over 6 times since launch
@white rain
there is no god
white rain
Not because of this, but my newer phone wouldn't let me use the old profile
viral lodge
Did you not link to a WG account? Ever?
white rain
I did once, but otherwise I use my Google play and it works fine now
lyric copper
you are just as tech savvy as the old man running the corner shop
WG acc gives 250 free gold btw
white rain
0_0
viral lodge
Basically F2P 101 is dont waste credits and go get clan and personal supply 10 so you can get the IS-5
white rain
And how long does that take
lyric copper
took me 4K battles
white rain
I'm not very good in anything but Mediums and Tank Destroyers (preferably with a turret)
viral lodge
You just need to learn, sticking to a playstyle you like is fine but learning all styles will make you a better player.
lyric copper
so you have just admitted you have no game sense nor map awareness, that is probably the reason you are losing credits
kind bluff
wow harsh
white rain
People are mean to me BC of how I drive my tanks
viral lodge
Then change how you drive.
lyric copper
^
white rain
I drive mostly like a TD, but the ones with turrets
lyric copper
remember: “the man who has never failed has never tried anything new”
shell forum
Well I certainly failed how to Spahpanzer 1 C so I did try something new
white rain
They get mad because I sat in the back with 2k dmg avg and wasn't up front, in a med, BC I was driving like a TD
lyric copper
what was the game situation? TDs don’t camp forever you know.
white rain
Meds help me because I don't wanna get shot and die immediately, I don't wanna be made of cardboard
lyric copper
then don’t play a cardboard tank
white rain
I like to stay hidden tho, with strong dmg and a reliable gun, sounds like a TD to me, but they just die too easy
lyric copper
so why not pick the Grille 15 line?
white rain
I like something I can peak with, around corners just in case
But if u do that with a TD ur toast
lyric copper
then play a T-62A or something, has all of these aspects, except for peek-a-boom
gentle wasp
So you want a turret, good camo, and the ability to peek-a-boom? alright then
white rain
@gentle wasp Yes
shell forum
observing chat with great intensity to pick up tips
kind bluff
WZ-121
lyric copper
however, WZ-120 has -3° gun dep
gentle wasp
tds like that don't exist, you're better off playing a med
white rain
I don't really want a heavy tho, they're usually priority targets and get singled out
shell forum
Once you got use to the SU-100M1... -3 degree became like a blessing...
lyric copper
@white rain I’d single out a Leopard 1 over a Maus any day.
gentle wasp
don't be a heavy driver.
lyric copper
plus, some heavies are DESIGNED to take the fire
The leopard 1 has 3.6k DPM, left unchecked, it can rip up an entire enemy team. Give it a buddy, and the 2 tanks become a force that can absolutely destroy a bad looking game
white rain
I thought u were supposed to target the tank with lower HP
gentle wasp
it's all situational. there isn't any set rule for selecting targets, but yea usually it's better to clear tanks
white rain
Lol so I need to go all the way back to T5?.....
shell forum
I think what you meant is killing tanks with lower health pool, but what we meant is try to kill tanks on low health that can be taken out quickly in a battle
gentle wasp
^^^ that is what I meant
if you want a suitable line then yea
white rain
I'm T6 on the EU tech tree nvm
shell forum
Also correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the WZ-121 a Chinese Medium?
lyric copper
yes
@white rain you must learn how to properly use the autoreloaders then
gentle wasp
that's a whole different realm of picking targets
white rain
But the only tank Ive used with an auto loader was a Leopard
shell forum
Only appear in tier 8, they got some time... I guess...
lyric copper
that’s an autocannon, not autoloader
gentle wasp
Autoloaders and Autoreloaders are different @white rain
white rain
Can you explain....?
lyric copper
Autoloaders: Fire an entire clip, retreat.
Autoreloaders: Fire a shot, reload it, or keep going, if that is the case, play like a normal autoloader
gentle wasp
autoreloader can perform like both an autoloader and a single shot. It loads one shell at a time so you can dump the clip in a short period of time or you can shoot off one shot at a time. Takes a lot of patience and situational awareness but it can be extremely effective.
It's easier to understand in-game.
storm apex
autoreloaders are autoloaders but they can start reloading in the same clip
white rain
Ok, so the EU T10 has that?
lyric copper
tiers 8-10
gentle wasp
t8-10 has that mechanic
white rain
But the other problem is that every time I've seen a EU tank it's armor is paper, maybe BC I was in a TD
gentle wasp
the armor is paper.
lyric copper
The T10 can pull of some ridiculous bounces, as the armour slope is I believe the best at tier X on the hull
shell forum
I still wouldn't count on it. The thickness is not much
white rain
If the armor is so weak y aren't they Lights?
gentle wasp
realism and balance
Standard B with light tank camo would be stupid good
shell forum
Fast medium playstyle. You rely on your mobility as the defense mechanism
lyric copper
@white rain does the IS-7s effective armour thickness make it a super heavy? No.
white rain
They need to add more EU tanks instead of expanding the bigger trees
gentle wasp
they are, Kranvagn (Swedish heavy line) is coming this year
lyric copper
They are adding Swedish heavies
white rain
Ooooh I wonder how scary they're gonna be
lyric copper
the tier X has the best turret in game
gentle wasp
the t10 is the only one that we have the stats of so far but it doesn't look great
but we have to just wait and see how it is on release
white rain
Hopefully not like the Smasher, Gravedigger, and KV2 Menacing
gentle wasp
Gravedigger isn't good and Kv2 is just terrible
white rain
The Tankenstein surprisingly gives me no trouble
lyric copper
ah yes, compare a tier 6 and 7 tank to a tier X one, btw KV-2 and KV-2 Menacing are the same tank just that one has a legendary camo on
gentle wasp
because tankenstein is garbage
white rain
I've been killed by a KV2 in one shot across the map, (547m) 1020 dmg from a T6 to a T7
SEVERAL TIMES
gentle wasp
don't sit still then
white rain
It's usually when I'm moving that they shoot me
lyric copper
Well then they are good
meager coral
Kranvagn seems pretty decent
gentle wasp
if you're gonna camp you have to realize that when you get spotted you will get nuked in a matter of seconds.
Kv2 has terrible accuracy so I really doubt that they hit that shot on the move
white rain
They did, and boy o' boy did it hurt
lyric copper
if you are hit while stationary by a KV-2/SU-152, please reconsider your gameplay style. However, if you are moving, they are either very good or very lucky
gentle wasp
I still doubt that ever happened but the Kv2 still sucks
white rain
In my random battles I've had 2 Smashers go head to head with a KV2 and the KV2 beat them to bits
shell forum
I occasionally get hit by them stationary, but that usually result in a flanking shot from them and I got surprise attack by a heavy in front
thick trout
Kranvagn seems pretty decent
@meager coral If it comes in its current state then it's going to be very meh, the lack of speed and dpm makes it a very low skill ceiling tank which kinda sucks but it should be alright for most players
gentle wasp
that's because Smasher and Kv2 drivers are complete muppets. Your experience really means nothing when it comes to determining how good a tank is @white rain
white rain
So only those 2 are Muppets?
lyric copper
no, there are more, just pray that they end up on the enemy team, and not yours
white rain
Does Muppet mean dumb?
gentle wasp
not at all, every tank has muppets that drive it, but Kv2s and Smashers attract extremely high numbers of terrible players
white rain
Lol, that answered my question
shell forum
Also they have troll accuracy. It is rare, but not impossible to nuke a light tank rolling at full speed by snapping the shot
lyric copper
especially with the recent Heat and Steel event, which some people got Smashers out of the free crate+key
white rain
Ya, I found it literally impossible to get either of them without paying
gentle wasp
The key was very easy to get
lyric copper
only about 440 exp per battle I think it was?
white rain
In a T7 you Avg 12-51 of those things
gentle wasp
in a t7 you should average a lot more than that
white rain
Ya well the Devil tank has other plans
T25/2
gentle wasp
ah
white rain
I hit the end at like 71-76 battles I think? TO THE SPLIT
lyric copper
I got to the split in 42, seen some people get in less than 35
white rain
you would legit have to win all 100 battles in a row to come even close to getting the Blaze Inna T7
lyric copper
nope. Just 840 exp per battle.
gentle wasp
that's pretty hard at t7, but then again Blaze is crap so don't worry about it
lyric copper
yeah, blaze is very similar to what the FV183 is at tier X
white rain
I've seen a blaze hit 345-424 dmg avg in a battle, he literally killed everything, NOTHING RICOCHETED
gentle wasp
400 alpha and decent mobility are literally the only good things about the thing
white rain
Yet the T25/2 avg dmg is around 200
gentle wasp
25/2 has a turret, gun mantlet, decent mobility, and a nice gun.
white rain
It literally does the same as a T7 med
shell forum
But it's not the only TD at Tier 7 doing 200 dmg lol
lyric copper
many TDs do that, and TDs with less alpha typically trade it for better gun handling and DPM
shell forum
And mobility too actually
white rain
The Hellcat hit 60kmph as a top speed for me and the T25/2 hits about 45-50kmph
shell forum
45-50 is about the same speed as the medium actually
gentle wasp
Hellcat is much better tier for tier, but you keep comparing tanks that aren't really similar
white rain
Ya, but it's just that I was ace in the Hellcat
gentle wasp
yea you can't play them the same
lyric copper
you can’t move a rook the way you move a bishop
white rain
Ya I found that the hard way when I got the thing
And stat wise the T28 Proto goes so much slower apparently than the 25/2
lyric copper
well it is heavier
gentle wasp
bigger gun as well
lyric copper
Quick note about the Proto: it cannot fully rotate its turret
white rain
It says on the T25/2
Speed 29
And on the Proto
Speed 1
lyric copper
please do not use the quick overview stats to compare tanks
gentle wasp
^^^ use blitzstars tank compare
thick trout
In general don't use in game stats to tell you how good a tank is, use blitzstars tank compare feature of blitzhangar
white rain
Ok
thick trout
Is there a parrot in here somewhere 🤔😂
lyric copper
you sold that too?
knotty charm
creds are rare mate it's hard to get them
you sold that too?
@lyric copper
lyric copper
what
white rain
Hey I was desperate, it was either work up from the bottom again or sell a tank to save myself from bankruptcy
viral lodge
Just work up from the bottom.
white rain
It took so long to do that tho
gentle wasp
selling tanks is an endless cycle that will trip you up in the long run
viral lodge
^^^
thick trout
Always try and keep a buffer or credits no matter what, especially if you don't have prems to grind then in
lyric copper
If you’re getting a tier X I’d suggest a float of around 1-2mil creds
viral lodge
I have plenty of prems I enjoy playing so I spend credits liberally but im still mindful of my credit count and only sell tanks I really dislike.
white rain
So from this conversation, don't sell your T25/2 to get your P.43 bis back
gentle wasp
unless you're sure you won't go back to the line in the future
viral lodge
Yes, dont sell tanks. My rule of thumb is keep any tier 6-10 tank I like/may have a use for later.
white rain
But I've already researched the T28 Proto tho and I could go get it when I have the Progetto
thick trout
It's always nice to plan out what credits you need for equipment, prammo etc as well before buying a new tank too
gentle wasp
if you have the proto researched and you didn't enjoy the 25/2 then go ahead and sell it
lyric copper
but he’ll have no tanks lol
white rain
Ya you can't sell ur last tank but I could get a T1 tho and then do it
lyric copper
also, more tier 5+ tanks you have, certain events are easier
gentle wasp
25/2 makes horrid credits so keeping it won't help you unless you really enjoy it
white rain
@gentle wasp
Ya I know I've had to deal with it for 3 months
Will do
gentle wasp
go ahead and sell it then
white rain
Lol all I had to do was sell all my ammo in my T25/2
lyric copper
no ammo, no tanks, this surely is a deadlock
shell forum
The saga of poverty continue for our brave protagonist, Ghost.
I wasn't keeping track of the conversation but I agree you might need to consider being more careful with your resources...
fervent sand
Heyo, what does the ARL 44 cost? (Asking for a friend)
lyric copper
925k credits without getting 75% crew, provisions, consumables and equipment
fervent sand
Thanks
keen escarp
Oop
meager coral
@fervent sand get 1.5mil so you can get equipment
random tartan
I only equip 1 slot on tanks I don't intend to keep
haughty forge
depends on tier , u seem nuuub with that
random tartan
full equipment on a tier 6 is a bit of a waste if you only play it for 30 games
onyx venture
In my opinion the T25/2 is decent. I like the T28 proto much better. The 25/2 is statistically better than the Hellcat in almost every way but it's not enough for facing tier 8 where the tank really struggles to pen. Tier 7 the tank does alright, against tier 6 the tank really does shine. But it really is lacking.
random tartan
T28 proto is not exactly spectacular
haughty forge
@random tartan yesn't , u dont even equip binoculars so idk
onyx venture
I really like the proto, it has pretty good pen, damage and reload speed. The armor does amazing against Tier 7. It still holds up enough for tier 8, it does begin to fall apart against tier 9 but if you know how to effectively angle you can still bounce some shots. The only downside is the speed which you get used to pretty quick.
random tartan
@haughty forge there is no such thing as binoculars
haughty forge
optics i meant
random tartan
and I fully equip all my tier 10s or tanks I plan to play for prolonged periods of time like my premiums
haughty forge
@random tartan yes but optics/camo net is a must, they increase your viewrange / camo
random tartan
@haughty forge it's really not a must .-.
I can preform perfectly fine without it
onyx venture
If you are fine without it, you'll be even better with it, literally no downside
haughty forge
@random tartan it costs 100k and u can do much better with it
random tartan
it costs 100k at what tier? 7? it takes me less than 50 battles to complete the grind for a tier 7
is it really worth it?
haughty forge
yes it is worth it , what is ur ign
random tartan
genericname24 if you really want to see
haughty forge
trust me it will help u a lot
onyx venture
I have an unofficial rule that I won't get a higher tier until I get my battles with my current tank higher than the previous one, at least 100 higher
haughty forge
bad rule
random tartan
lol I've played nearly 18000 battles, I know what equipment does and I can judge for myself whether I want to pay for it or not
onyx venture
How's it bad
haughty forge
@random tartan ye u are super uni but really , even if its 50 battles 100k is not much for better performance
random tartan
@haughty forge I'm not even super uni :v
I already pay 100k for rammer/calibrated anyway
I'm confident in my ability to play at tier 7 without equipment lol
saves me $$ in the long run
haughty forge
100k is not much for better stats
random tartan
it's not like tier 7 is the most competitive tier
kek
onyx venture
If you have a premium tank you can get 100k in like 4 battles
grand linden
2 if you do well
thick trout
Or one battle with the top credit boosters
Or half a battle if it's a birthday on a prem... 👀
haughty forge
i ran out of credit boosters, send me free exp, xp, crew boosters i am poor
thick trout
Rip I run out of credit boosters sometimes and occasionally crew boosters but that's about it
Oh and XP boosters if I'm spamming a line I hate without free XP for some reason lol
random tartan
I'm always out of credit boosters rip
playing tier 10 without premium time is not great on the cash department
lost tree
Mmm I love ruining people’s day with my su152
haughty forge
2
shell forum
You may have ruin my day at one point as I remember getting nuked by an SU from no where in the VK 28
plucky summit
SU's should be scary, basically as scary as Smashers
white rain
Lol y'all were right I needed to go back to Mediums
@thick trout
@shell forum
@random tartan
@lyric copper
I'm making big💰 and kicking but
shell forum
Nice and congrats
white rain
But every match I've ended heavily damaged, XD dang that 8 sec reload
shell forum
Come with the territory. An undamaged medium means 2 things:
Either you snipe hard with it and never got spot (dont)
Or your team steamroll the enemy so hard you barely have time to punch dmg in
white rain
Lol
shell forum
I can assure you I play medium and light a lot and not one single game i got away without getting whacked in the face multiple time
white rain
Lol sounds like me in my TDs
I think it was when I had a Crusader I just randomly drove to the enemy base with a French heavy and got the Raider medal on Mines, literally nobody drove over there
haughty forge
why take dmg when there is ht to be dmg sponge
shell forum
That is one way to play it i guess. Be the wing of a heavy and add an extra 85-100mm gun to the already massive 122mm gun
white rain
Ya but we didn't shoot anything XD
We capped the base undetected
That's what the Raider medal is
shell forum
Because I roll with the light and we lunies love to get ourselves into trouble
white rain
Lol Gravity Force made WoTB a horror game, lol because the heavies pretty much became lights and lights were basically untouchable
And TDs could sling shells across the map with ease
haughty forge
lights were planes
shell forum
Which is tip btw: if you saw your medium or light abandoning a flank, assume there are nasty big guns on the other end and scared them off. Give you some battle information without spotting anything
white rain
Lol both perspectives of that are me
Lol I only got to go on the Moon map once and it literally ended in less than 2 minutes and we lost4 heavys rushed out spawn
shell forum
Gravity Force was the most insane thing ever happened so far. If you drive a light, you are an absolute lunatic as expect to fly like 70% of the time. Medium got balls of iron to run around not scare of big guns. Heavy became angry rhino with defense and TD are mobile tank launchers
shell forum
Nah, try a T49 or a Sheridan. Mobile rocket launcher in a rotating mount
white rain
Lol
Has anyone here ever just been randomly driving in a battle and you ended up getting spotted and blown to bits by a bunch of heavys, or been next to that person
🙋🏻♂️
Lol I have...
shell forum
Come with the job as a medium or light
white rain
Literally every time I battle and the team splits in two I go help the side with less people
shell forum
Uh yes and no... Some flanks are more likely to attract heavy and the last thing you need is big gun with thick armor
white rain
And then either my side gets absolutely demolished by the enemy team, or the enemy's heavys slaughtered the other side
shell forum
How your money situation though?
white rain
Good
shell forum
I'm just not a good player so my money issue is due to incompetent
white rain
Lol
haughty forge
you know what , i can hold the flank with jageroo 😎
white rain
Lol usually it's like the whole team goes one way, and then there's that one guy, usually a light who goes the complete utter opposite direction
And so I follow him so he doesn't die
haughty forge
i remember , 2 days ago we didnt had any heavy in tier x match( you know how important they are?) enemy had one and i played as heavy/td and blocked more than 2k and atttracted 2-3 ppl
shell forum
Gathering data. Light can do active spotting and sod off when the number looks bad
haughty forge
i did die at the end but with an honour , my team was proud of me
white rain
Then our whole team gets murdered across the map, and we're like...
Well ****
shell forum
Well unless you encountered a very well trenched enemy, you need to keep rushing them without stopping... That's the only way to not totally lose on committing a flank
white rain
Ya but it's like when they meet in the corners usually
haughty forge
we had more heavies than meds and i said PUSH and whole team pushed and we won in 2 mins 😂
white rain
Lol
Have y'all ever gotten 5 heavys onna team with 2 meds
Let me tell you, utter and complete madness
haughty forge
ratings yes
keen escarp
Oof 👎
white rain
I got it on random lol
keen escarp
Bro getting mediums and lights are annoying
white rain
The enemy had a light, a TD, 3 meds, and 2 heavys
keen escarp
Like bro they literally do 350 dmg in under like 7 secs
white rain
Lol mine doesn't
P.43 bis
143-183 dmg
keen escarp
What yur re?
white rain
8 second reload lol
haughty forge
p43 has 225 alpha
lyric copper
ur using stock
keen escarp
@haughty forge yes
white rain
Yes the stock gun that's it everything else is up at least one
keen escarp
Wait so your using tier 6
Not u @shell forum
Oh sorry @shell forum yeah tier 6 stock
I am at P 44 Pantera with stock gun
white rain
Lol
Yes
haughty forge
@keen escarp bruh , getting to pantera top modules is aint hard
keen escarp
I never grinded for gun i am today tho!
haughty forge
@keen escarp u dont even have 30k free exp ._.
keen escarp
No i spent it on is4 i had 53k
shell forum
Lol
haughty forge
@keen escarp is 4is tier x ._.
keen escarp
Ik
shell forum
It's a case of he's so close to it (relatively) that he FXP the rest and say "im done"
haughty forge
i had 110k and spent it on t54, cant compete with me
shell forum
I have a consistent system of this but... T-54 (Russian medium) or T54E1 (American medium)?
haughty forge
t54 , t54e1 is usually called e1
gentle wasp
54 all day
shell forum
I base them off the usage of the "-" so it keep tripping me over
white rain
Lol
wise spindle
My fav tank is kpf
distant pebble
My fav td in the game
keen escarp
Nice..
delicate barn
Im happy with my 1k damage games in my wolverine thanks
fervent sand
@wise spindle I enjoy the KpfPz as well, it’s a great tank
wise spindle
It’s so fun to play
modest barn
meager coral
How do you even get a steel wall in a light
You have to bounce 1k dmg how’d you do it in that tank?!
haughty forge
@meager coral hits gun, tracks or tier 5 leopard shooting HE xd
meager coral
Thas jus pure luck right there
haughty forge
someone has steel wall on nashorn
meager coral
At that point you’ll prob have better luck just deflecting shots with the gun
stray cedar
L m a o
haughty forge
@meager coral nah, he said vk 16 02 kept shooting he at him lol
meager coral
Why does that tank even have HE?
haughty forge
because it can HE back of nashorn and some paper tanks , alecto exists too
meager coral
I’m pretty sure it’s just those 2
haughty forge
nah, dmax , su 85b , and angry conor ,
broken turtle
now i realized kv-1 is a kv-2 in tier 5 with less derp
the 85mm gun deal 200 alpha, almost 1/3 hp of tier 5 medium and can literally nuke 1/2 hp bar of the elc bis
haughty forge
@broken turtle bdr has 220 alpha but better armor and mobility hmm
broken turtle
hmm yes kv-2 is slow and don't have much armor
bdr needs nerf yea, wg gonna nerf the cupola
solid gate
WHAT
exotic pagoda
I have a KV2 and I have a KV1S, I want to sell one of them
quartz socket
I have a KV2 and I have a KV1S, I want to sell one of them
@exotic pagoda Depends because KV1S, its gun is still derp and in has FAR better stats than the KV-2. The KV-2 is good if you just want to mess around, but the KV-1S is better at fighting and is a better tank line.
so it depends on ur wish
exotic pagoda
Guess that means sell the KV2
broken turtle
don't sell, both of them are nice in different situation
viral falcon
Sell the KV-2 if one of them.
random badger
nvr... nvrrrrr sell the kv2... dont u dare
queen terrace
When buying tanks like the Type 62 remember when War Gaming write about how brilliant the tank is, unless it’s a tier 10 remember it can (& will) be UP-TIERED for most of its battles...Just been playing the Type 62 (tier 7) & out of 7 battles in a row I only had 1 battle ( yes just ONE) that I wasn’t up-tiered in !
kindred wren
It is questionable if there is really such a thing as an algorithm in place that up- and downtiers people
thick trout
Just look at the queue number for people at different tiers and it should be obvious that tier 7 will meet tier 8 a lot more than tier 6s, but the type 62 works amazingly against tier 8 with that HEAT pen 🤷♀️
glass relic
It'll chew through other tier 8s with those HEAT pen and DPM anyway.
keen egret
Type62 is a tier 8 basically
humble storm
Is M48 Patton any good?
lyric copper
It’s overshadowed by the STB and T-62A
humble storm
STB - good but expensive
T62-A - a good tank
lyric copper
The -10° the M48 gets is the only thing it really has
humble storm
And a big gun mantle
lyric copper
however the turret front isn’t that well angled, which is why STB and T-62A overshadow it
hollow belfry
The -10° the M48 gets is the only thing it really has
Anyways it has 9° I believe. The tank is basically a bad STB-1
thick trout
9° is still very nice, but still pointless when the STB exists with 10° and everything else
haughty forge
@thick trout how thick is sides of stb?
thick trout
75mm, M48 gets a whole 1mm more 😂
haughty forge
@thick trout u sure? i seem not to be able to HE sides with jageroo he
hollow belfry
US tanks sides are pretty weak
haughty forge
tracks are big tho ,
thick trout
Top is mildly angled so just over the limit of most HE especially reliably and bottom is covered by tracks
haughty forge
i use cs which has over 90mm but still no
thick trout
It's only 94mm of pen and so as soon as it's angled ever so slightly it's going to be splash damage
haughty forge
:v
thick trout
Even just changing the shooting angle ever so slightly changes the armour by over 20mm
At longer ranges it's a lot less difference but it still shows how tiny tiny differences can affect the effective armour a lot
solid gate
They should add a special Yugoslav T-55 Igman as a premium tank forsale for about 12.99
solid gate
Yo is the progetto 65 a good tank
lost tree
Isu152 stock is the most un fun thing I’ve ever had to use
kindred wren
@solid gate It has a fairly weak turret but also an autoreloader and a very strong hull. It is kind of unique with the autoreloader, and if you get used to making your turret a hard target it is a good tank from what i can tell
lost tree
Went 3 games with literally 0 damage because I didn’t have heat rounds and now my avg dmg is atrocious on it
dusky coral
Yo looking for tier 3 4 or 5 to platoon with on Asia server anyone?
kindred wren
@thick trout The difference gets even more extreme the steeper the angle (which is why some people regard high caliber AP as the best ammunition in the game because of the normalisation and overmatch)
thick trout
@lost tree What gun are you using to play it with? I highly suggest using the 122s which you can research on the SU152 and so they will already be researched on the ISU
@kindred wren yeah it does, even if the STB was sideways on a small slope it would be pushed over the penetration threshold.
AP best ammo? Where's my fellow 0° normalisation and cant-pen-a-pile-of-hay gang :(
kindred wren
They get better ricochet angles, but the thing is that the effective armour increases extremely the higher the angle (50mm for example are around 475mm effective at 84° which is the very limit of non-ricochet for HEAT (Sorry for that edit, 50mm are around 400mm when at 83°, not 84°)) and you will most likely fail to pen just because of the mass of armour you have to go through
lost tree
@thick trout I guess I’ll just do that then because the 152mm on the isu the one with literally 136 pen is so horrible and atrocious
thick trout
Yeah it's not something you want to work with, at tier 7 it's bearable but at tier 8 you really want the dpm and pen of the 122
lost tree
Yea but is it worth getting the 152 with 286 pen for 75k Xp or go straight to the 740
potent forum
3 smashers in a match, op or not?
queen terrace
@glass relic each HEAT shell is 2400 credits, so it will be expensive trying to pen tier 8’s with them & just about every shot they fire will pen your type 62 or even worse ammo wreck it, as what happened to mine when a T49 hit the side of it 😬
and yeah sure there is an algorithm or some sort as on my other account I have a smasher which was queuing for minutes to get into a ratings battle & when it did on a few occasions the system must have been waiting for all tier 7 tanks as I had no tier 8’s in the battles, which is strange as when I played the Löwe there were the odd smasher or two in that battle!
thick trout
If I flip a coin three times and get heads every time does that mean there's some algorithm in the universe making that happen all the time? 🤦♀️
Patterns can be created anywhere, especially over small sample sizes. That DOES NOT mean that there is something causing them. That is how randomness works.
glass relic
Then try not to get shot you can also like poking every so often with your DPM if you want to risk it for the damage and just try to flank as much as possible, those HEAT are just a way of retaliating so you won't get absolutely destroyed without a fight.
hollow belfry
Yea but is it worth getting the 152 with 286 pen for 75k Xp or go straight to the 740
@lost tree If you don’t get it you will have to play the 704 with the SU-152’s stock gun on a t9 and each battle the 13 other players will have a good laugh seeing it
kindred wren
No, seven players will have a good laugh while six players will curse you
glass relic
Then the Rest are your shameful days of suffering grind
hollow belfry
Nah, I’m fine with stock 704s not stealing my dmg😏
kindred wren
Aside from that it's not actually the stock gun of the SU-152 but some sort of modified version of it that is actually slightly better but... not a lot
lost tree
@hollow belfry fair enough
solid gate
anyone thinks we need an AMX ELC bis with an aero kit, stripe decals, quad turbocharged engine, with acceleration equal to T6 dracula and make it the new collector called...
the AMX ELC GTR
glass relic
I'm fine with my electric biscuit.
solid gate
ELC needs its 90mm cannon
haughty forge
🇾 🇪 🇸
grand linden
we would have an e25 with a turret then lol but historically speaking apparently the bis did have a fully rotatable turret
hollow belfry
4,7k exp away from the Jagdpanther. Got enough credits already to buy it and for some equipment slots.
solid gate
we would have an e25 with a turret then lol but historically speaking apparently the bis did have a fully rotatable turret
the bis in PC does have a full 360 traverse
haughty forge
Elc bis with 90mm gun has 180 traverse
nocturne tiger
I need tips for M6, because I'm going for the T29
iron garnet
hey Wargayming, can we NOT sell the most broken t8 premium for 8.5k gold? T8 is gonna be an absolute mess after this
hollow belfry
The tank is very good but mediocre players will get deleted quickly due to the fact it remains squishy.
haughty forge
@iron garnet uh oh it has medicore speed and bad pen , no armor at all and it is not broken at all , there is p44 pantera which is similar to this tank
iron garnet
yeah not broken at all, but me, an average player, can average 2.5k easily on a good day
ig it's true tho that ppl gonna get deleted in it
but even YOLOs will clear half your HP before dying
mod 1 intensifies
haughty forge
no they dont mhm , arguing about good tanks=losing braincells
fast compass
Progetto 46 is one of the best tier 8 meds rn. But even the very good meds and tds end up just being good in this heavy meta
iron garnet
I'd rank a progetto over any 252u or tiger II in pubs rn... mobility, clip potential, and outspotting
also very easy to use autoreloader compared to the pantera, where you can only unload 2 shells to be effective
shell forum
That explained why I'm constantly the only med with 1 light while rest is heavy....
hollow belfry
It also has a better intraclip, one more degree of gun dep along with smaller silhouette and better alpha.
iron garnet
^
only problem is pen and HE damage but it doesn't really matter tbh
hollow belfry
then pen isn’t that much of an issue unless you forget to carry APCR (which has the same pen as the P44 Pantera)
shell forum
I wish i bought that tank now....
pastel moth
Wait are progetto 46 that good tbh i prefer an autoloader since there this no placebo effect know as “cant dump that last shell or my dpm is gone to hell”
And most ppl playing it are either dumb or straight up unicum at level it should’ve been illegal
lost tree
Progetto armor overrated af
shell forum
I seen that tank performed very well and the autoreloader mechanic can be more devastating than autoloader themselves when played to their strength
pastel moth
People just dump 3 shells and cry when i outdpm in leo 1 lol
lost tree
The leopard 1 looks so fun, worth getting?
shell forum
That is the dumb version. I hardly clip people unless the chance/need arise
pastel moth
@lost tree
Strengths
No.1 dpm is godlike
No.2 your gun is accurate
No.3 although you may get to 65km/hr slower but the traverse will make up for it
No.4 your standard pen is nice
Cons
No.1 AMMORACK HIT BUT AT LEAST IT DIDNT EXPLODE
No.2 DRIVER IS DEAD ALL THE TIME
No.3 paper (obvious isnt it?)
May need to change your playstyle a bit
shell forum
Lol. I knew it as the noob destroyer as low skill individuals will hate it while uni make it shine like gods
pastel moth
Well i like to play leo 1 as a aggressive tank with good dpm and like bait shots, trades when had to and pressure the enemy if possible and finally permatrack without adrenaline
Or if u talk abt progetto series then idk dude turret seems even more juicy than leo 1 (but usually the gun took the hit) and the front plate of t10 is stupidly good in angles i’d think that progetto series are nice and all but require to have knowledge on when to push ,when to dump and when to f off properly
(This knowledge may apply to most paper med tank)
shell forum
I'm sure it does. I know I am way to awful to make them shine. The joy of being a terrible medium player...
pastel moth
Vents food and crew and maybe some trigger management
haughty forge
mhm
feral zephyr
buff is 6 just a bit more to remove the huge weakspot on the front please
haughty forge
u wanna make it op? tier 7 will have hard time penning u and armor is alright
thick trout
IS6 isn't in an awful spot rn. It's probably mildly below average for tier 8 tech tree which is where tier 8 prems should be aiming for.
I never played it before the buff so I don't know how much it helped, but running the dpm gun and going for meds is fairly effective, would be a lot nicer if it wasn't a heavy meta atm but it's still useful and fun to play
iron garnet
yeah guys progetto is a terrible tank...
7 battles today before this happened, it's just so easy to farm damage
feral zephyr
i want it now lol
sad f2p noises
iron garnet
got it when it first came out
shell forum
Want to get it but dont have the gold...
tulip sail
What do yall think is a better alround heavy the wz-111 or the wz-112-2
gentle wasp
112-2 by far
tulip sail
Ah ok is the wz-111 that bad?
gentle wasp
it's terribly mediocre, pretty much any IS tank is a better option
tulip sail
Ah then looks like I'll pass on it
gentle wasp
good idea
tulip sail
I got an offer for 5k gold so i was tempted but didn't want to buy both since i prefer the look of the 112-2
next solstice
good chioce
tulip edge
I like the Wz 112-2. Armour can hold up nicely if you angle, sidescrape etc.
I’m also a fan of the 20 km/h reverse speed which is incredibly useful for a heavy tank
orchid nymph
i heard its just a better is6
open solstice
How hard is the obj263 line to grind?
haughty forge
very hard, dont grind
tulip edge
@orchid nymph Well thats not saying much, but it’s pretty much a Chinese IS clone. Difference is that is has the better mobility, and also the better frontal armour on the hull
lost tree
Free xp whole 263 line LEL @open solstice
orchid nymph
soo its a better is6. the turret seems to not have the same cheek and roof weakspot which makes the wz better at hulldown. better mobility and better frontal armor too
next solstice
better at sidescraping since it doesnt get drivewheeled
tulip edge
From my experience side scraping in the 112-2, the sides can hold up very nicely as long as you angle correctly. It can be quite trollish. This is with random battles in mind though, where the average player doesn’t aim properly a lot of the time
lost tree
How is this not mastery lol
gentle wasp
what's the base xp
rugged dust
becuz the more popular the tank, the harder it is to get mastery
and tank is right, what is base xp?
remember, you have to get higher than 99% of the players who have played the tank in the past week, and its easier to get more than 99% if less than 100 players play it in a week....
tulip edge
You got a sniper tanker, so you sat back a lot of the game.
next solstice
1811xp is impressive tho, assuming no boosters
rugged dust
yes, but what about boosters?
gentle wasp
yea pretty sure he didn't get 1800 base
rugged dust
1811 should get mastery every time, but boosters? that changes things....
^^^^Exactly
gentle wasp
@lost tree show the team screen. that will explain it.
tulip edge
He probably missed it by one or two shots. You need to build up very significant damage to get a mastery by just sitting in the backline.
gentle wasp
^^^
rugged dust
More Dmg doesn't always guarantee mastery, team support can also push you over the edge
gentle wasp
yea the sniper medal usually isn't a good sign
rugged dust
yup lol
By the way tankers, how should I go about getting the Leopard 1? Light or med line? (TBH, I already have sp1c researched, but idk if the sp1c is good or not....)
next solstice
light
gentle wasp
light line is a lot better
med line is a pile of mediocre meh sauce
shell forum
A lot of people went light route since the Ru 251 is amazing. Though someone did researched and IndyPanzer is still one of the top 3 med in t8 (tech only). Idk so up to play style
tulip edge
The light tank is pretty good, it’s also a good line to get used to having no armour.
SP 1 C recently buffed, and it’s not bad now.
RU 251 is a solid tank, probably the one of the most balanced tanks at tier 8
gentle wasp
@shell forum it really isn't. not as bad as people think, but it is very overshadowed and mediocre
tulip edge
My opinion is biased though, I have played the ru 2500 times lmao
shell forum
Just saying what I read. Someone said top 3 of tech trees but i forgot the source
rugged dust
I'm only asking because I really like what I've seen of the Leopard 1, but I just don't know how I want to get there without completely wrecking what little WR% I have left... I'm not that good in light tanks tbh....
gentle wasp
I would rank it no higher than 5 or 6 @shell forum
@rugged dust the light line will teach you more of what you need to do to play the Leo successfully.
lost tree
@gentle wasp I had blue booster
gentle wasp
what is the xp shown on the team screen?
lost tree
@tulip edge I was actually pretty aggressive but for like the first minute or 2 I was sitting back then rushed city and started face hugging
@gentle wasp
gentle wasp
yea 1100 base won't get you a t7 mastery, especially in a tank as popular as the Su
lost tree
Also got a 4.3k game with 1.2k xp and 5 kills and it was only 1st class again
mental violet
Aces are higher than that
gentle wasp
vehicles section on your profile or blitzstars.com
lost tree
I see I see good or average for panther?
gentle wasp
slightly below average I would say, but it depends on your skill level and goals
lost tree
I’m a 49% wr player w 80% accuracy 947 avg dmg and 1302 battles on this account
next solstice
below average for ur panther
shell forum
Then that's probably your calling of play style tbh
lost tree
As soon as I started playing the 268 line I just enjoy it and love ruining LTTB and m41 users games with a nice 1000 he roll to the hull
tulip edge
I mean 1300 battles is pretty low. With that amount of battles, it’s less about stats and really just about learning and growing as a player, and finding what tanks you like to play
lost tree
On my account from 2014 it has 2,200 battles but the stats are atrocious because I was like 11 years old and forgot the password until I was able to get back In like 2 weeks ago
I forgot the password in like 2015 or early 2016
I really enjoy the 268 line is there any other tech tree lines like it or if not like it then similar to it atleast
Doesn’t have to be a TD line just something I can sit back from afar and pen shells and also play aggressively like brawling and face hugging
shell forum
I hope i won't see you in battle... Im a resident fly player and TD ruining my day is the norms....
potent tinsel
yo, hows the 113 line? looking to grind it for tourneys
shell forum
I heard they are heavy tank line for medium players, TET may have more idea on it
obsidian maple
It’s says arl
gentle wasp
I have been summoned...
@potent tinsel The line seems pretty mediocre leading up to the 113, Russian heavies seem better. 113 itself has limited comp capabilities. Mostly used for the awesome gun. It would be a good idea to ask your tourney people if there would be a slot for it.
For pub play you should just get a 121. Pretty much the same gun but with better mobility and traverse that isn't slower than a Maus.
mental violet
113 does well in comp, not the main go to tank
potent tinsel
alright, thanks
wise moth
@lost tree It’s hard to judge that because at this point, the battles you played when it was stock are probably still heavily weighing on the stats
@potent tinsel 113 line is great. Don’t mind the haters. 110 and 111-1-4 are both pretty good, and 113 is great. On the whole, it’s better than the IS-4 line.
And also, 113 is better than 121 for pubs. More armor, more HP, more pen, more accuracy, and the mobility is still good. The only advantage the 121 has is the traverse speed, which is not worth it
mental violet
I second that ^
potent tinsel
Well, I've always wanted it and my clan told me to get it for tourneys, guess I'll grind it. Thanks for your opinion
zinc plover
Whats the best T8 tank? I played against IS and it seems pretty good.
gentle wasp
Progetto, Chimera, Ravioli, 252u, 112-2, Skorp are up there
pliant lodge
Best tier 8 tank
Heavy
- Obj 252u (pike nose tank)
- VK 100 (P) (armor in general plus gun)
- Tiger II (armor and DPM)
- VK 168 (P) (armor and gun)
- Celestial (troll armor)
Medium
- Progretto 46 (autoloader)
- Chimera (Gun)
Light
- FV 301 (DPM, speed and armor)
- RU 251 (105mm HE pen, speed and DPM)
TD
- ISU-152 (High pen gun and DPM)
- ISU-130 (Monsterous DPM)
- Rhm B WT (Good camo rating and okay gun)
- Skorpion (Good gun, camo and decent speed)
@zinc plover
(my opinon)
zinc plover
Ok thanks.
thick trout
JPII is one of the best TDs as well, almost impenetrable when hulldown, great dpm and alpha with pen and accuracy too, and then also good top speed
pliant lodge
With no armor and tiny HP pool. HEable sides and bad camo. And easy to flank
karmic nymph
I think the t32 is pretty solid with the consumables and the pantera is a very good medium. The caerarvon action x and the t54e2 shark are also very good but are premiums.
pliant lodge
T32 lacks armor and the gun is horrible. Plus it's slow
haughty forge
turret is very nice
next solstice
Actually they didnt. 168 has terrible side armor. Just aim at the drive wheel
karmic nymph
T32 is slow? Ever heard of improved engine boost, I go over 40 with it. Lacks armor? It’s got the best turret and has an ok upper plate. Also has the reactive armor consumable. And yeah the gun ain’t the best but with 257 apcr pen with calibrated you should be ok
obsidian maple
Not all people use prammo
next solstice
Not running prammo is stupid
karmic nymph
Well that’s dumb of them then. It costs credits you know
solid gate
If your choosing to play t32 credits shouldn’t be a question
thick trout
@pliant lodge It has great armour hulldown except against tier 9 prammo, and you shouldn't be showing your sides or getting flanked. You can play behind meds easily because of the accuracy and move up when needed with the speed
pliant lodge
Again @thick trout. These are my opinons. Not yours
wise moth
T32 armor isn’t pretty good because of the turret, and that’s all that matters
pliant lodge
T34 is slow except with engine booster II. But that's only one time use and so long cooldown. T32 is slow and the armor is terrible
solid gate
Experience beats opinion
next solstice
disagree and disagree
karmic nymph
T34 doesn’t have improved engine boost
pliant lodge
T32* my bad
karmic nymph
I mean if you planning on just bouncing with your front plate then yeah it’s not gonna bounce that much
wise moth
T32 is slow, but it’s faster than tanks like IS-6, 252, and 112-2
pliant lodge
Almost no one uses T32 because it's painfully bad
solid gate
It’s performing well right now actually
next solstice
have u seen the recent spring season tourny
alot of t32s were used
wise moth
T32 is good though. Excellent turret, -10 gun depression, massive HP pool, good enough mobility, and special consumables
pliant lodge
T32 is only good in city maps. In the open it's a sitting duck
next solstice
you forgot hilly maps. You know, for hulldown
wise moth
Gun is mediocre, but good enough. The only weakness is the pen, and 198 is workable
And T32 is better in open maps than city maps
pliant lodge
T32 reminds of Super Pershing. Bad pen for some armor
karmic nymph
City maps t32? I think every map has more than enough hull down spots
solid gate
T32 can’t be compared to SP because T32 can actually do something
pliant lodge
@karmic nymph not every match is a perfect one. T32 needs a huge rock or something to cover almsot the entire hull.
next solstice
you just need a ridgeline . . .
karmic nymph
Or it needs a hill
wise moth
@pliant lodge Have you heard of hills and ridges?
next solstice
The fact that he said "Almost no one uses T32 because it's painfully bad" told me enough.
pliant lodge
I've never seen a T32 using hill nor riges well. I guess most T32 players are bad or idk.
wise moth
T32 is actually one of the better tier 8 heavies TBH
solid gate
Don’t pull that card because that can apply to every tank @pliant lodge
next solstice
There's your answer. There's a reason why the T32's used in tournys
wise moth
I’d even go as far to say that T32 is better than Tiger II, even in pubs (for tourney’s it’s not even close)
pliant lodge
It's underrated. Did an armor inspector on it. It's okay. But in certian situations it's just useless
next solstice
wow, that can be applied to any tank
tulip sail
Like most tanks?
solid gate
? It’s literally good enough though it’s far better protection than T34
pliant lodge
I guess I havne't seena anyone playing T32 well 🤷
wise moth
It’s only useless if you just sit in the open for no reason. And even in the open, the damage reduction consumable and massive HP make it better than other tanks for sitting in the open
solid gate
Also if you did an armor inspector on it you would see the turret armor which almost no tank can compare to @pliant lodge once again stop pulling that card it applies to every tank
next solstice
why sit in the open anyways. I'd rather blame the player than the tank in that scenario
oh who cares about server region. They don't mean anything
pliant lodge
@solid gate welcome to EU
solid gate
Welcome to NA we don’t care about that
pliant lodge
At least from being an EU player most T32 players are bad. I have no idea how that means to NA players