Chieftain has gun depression but you need a lot of practice to use wz113,especially in sidescraping since there is no spaced armor for it like is7
#vehicles-discussion
open solstice
neat nimbus
has great mobility and camo but its obviuos is weak pen is bad
plucky summit
WZ doesn’t need spaced armor, the point is auto/bounce
languid needle
Did you just say you side scrape in is7? Btw. 113 have spaced armor just not as efficient
plucky summit
I know a guy who can sidescrape really well in IS-7, thought ofc they gonna HEATspam
open solstice
Alot of youtubers say wz113 doesn't have spaced armor?90 mm is good enough
And yes i sidescrap in is7 only showing my side and not any of the frontal hull,i know how the pike worksrmor though,
neat nimbus
maybe i keep grinding gold if action x is in sale again
languid needle
The moment you back up from ur side scrapping position in is7, ur upper plate is exposed
next solstice
The 113’s drivewheels fall apart if you angle +20 degrees behind the tracks is only 70mm of side armor.
I prefer the e5 because it costs less to repair and the gun depression/handling is beautiful
plucky summit
That’s kind of how auto-bounce works
next solstice
Ik. You can’t expect everyone to know when they’re at auto bounce angle
plucky summit
:)
open solstice
I don't really sidescrap in wz113 because players splash HE with jgpz and it doesn't have most health among heavies to counter that
next solstice
2300 hp is solid
plucky summit
At least with the Lowe you know
open solstice
Yea its pretty good but not comparable to is7 and others having 2500😂
next solstice
It faces tier 7s
plucky summit
Lowe doesn’t sacrifice an auto-bounce to shoot back
plucky summit
Wiggle the turret ;)
open solstice
I don't remember how many times i got ammorekt by jageroo in my is7
Probably like 11 times
next solstice
Got ammoracked in my e5
Feels bad
plucky summit
I’ve got racked either none or once by a Jageroo in my IS-7
languid needle
Got racked just today on critical moment
delicate barn
Are there any good lines that fit this play style: rush into position, hold position, then rush enemy when opportunity comes
plucky summit
IS-7 ;)
delicate barn
no thanks not in the mood to have 10 clips of mine in an ammo rack compilation
gentle wasp
any specifics about armor, speed, gun, etc
plucky summit
Bruh, racks are generally from mistakes
languid needle
Calm down, it doesn’t happend every day, it just happened more than other tanks
plucky summit
Only 183 can do the one-shot I believe
delicate barn
armor has to be decent, gun has to have at least 350 alpha,good reload speed, and good mobility too @gentle wasp
languid needle
Nah, a lot of 640 alpha and plus tanks can ammo rack an is7
plucky summit
Well 183 has the module damage to chance it first shot
gentle wasp
121, 113, Is4, Is7, E50 M fit that description I guess.
delicate barn
e50m time
languid needle
E50 grind is kinda bad tho
open solstice
No tank is better than is7 if you want to rush into a position, hold a line and attack an enemy,all at once
It has one of the best armor among heavies and is also one of the fastest at t10
gentle wasp
yea I got it post-gun depression buff and pre-heavy buffs and it wasn't great. It's pretty fun though.
open solstice
Is4 might be able to hold a line better and may have more dependable gun but you can't be as aggressive in is4 as you can be in is7
plucky summit
IS-7 is good at taking one guy out of the fight so they deal with their hug
stray cedar
Shouldn't you reverse sidescrape or hull down IS7???
tulip edge
Hulldown is good, the turret will hold up against the average player in random battles.
Reverse sidescrape is a very situational thing and you shouldnt really look to do it.
You just have to be careful with the side armour because players can shoot you in between the tracks and spaced armour and just go straight into the hull
wise moth
IS-7 armor profile is pretty good TBH. Turret is strong, upper plate is also strong, and lower plate can sometimes troll shells
tulip sundial
I racked an IS with my 130 on the Tankenstein
livid flicker
solid gate
Nice
tulip edge
charge your phone
solid gate
Nah keep it
||That way it's easier for hackers to access it|| @tulip edge
keen escarp
Oop
I racked a T57 heavy with E 25 before.
He had 1817 hp and he didnt get the rack module broken
nocturne tiger
Used KV 2, shot at VK 30.01 D, HE goes above the exposed Hull.
im having bad luck
hollow belfry
That’s just normal in a KV-2. It has the worst accuracy in the entire game.
nocturne tiger
this is my punishment for not praying to Stalin before going into the KV 2.
hollow belfry
*your punishment for not playing the KV-1s, a much better tank
viral falcon
More like your punishment for playing that tank
nocturne tiger
*I look for fun
thick trout
If you find fun by ruining the game for everyone else then that isn't an issue that anyone else can fix
hollow belfry
^ it’s not fun for the person you will one shot maybe once every 10 battles, and most of time your allies will hate you for bringing very little contribution to the team’s victory
plucky summit
Hue hue hence I use 183
hollow belfry
I hate having to play with a KV-2 in my team as they end up with <600 dmg 95% of the time. It’s much more enjoyable to have them in the red team and farm them as free damage
rotund palm
KV 2 Aim sucks
hollow belfry
The KV-2 overall sucks
plucky summit
The worst tier 6.... maybe the uhm... T21?
arctic basalt
@rotund palm kv1s is also on is4 line
viral falcon
Kv-1s is on the IS-7 line
delicate barn
Don't think it is
woeful creek
KV-2 leads to the KV-3
And KV-1S leads to the IS and KV-3
if I remember correctly
hollow belfry
Which means there is no reason to play the KV-2
haughty forge
there is reason duhh, also , kv2 has skill cap now
hollow belfry
If a player is so derp addicted he should just get a Smasher
Because to me playing a tank with no armor, no mobility, no camo, no pen and no accuracy means you enjoy suffering.
delicate barn
Should I go for the is4/is7 or keep going for the panther line?
haughty forge
@hollow belfry Panther 2 is also better than vk 45 02 p
solid gate
Go for e 50 b
dusty owl
Is 7 is pretty good
delicate barn
I'll probably go for the e50m since it's suits my play style better
elfin marten
Is the challenger better than the t25/2?
storm apex
I bounced so many shots from SU152 with my IS-3 Stalin's Corner
its actually OP strat
dusty owl
I want the grave digger / takenstein come to money or gold soon
tulip edge
Yes @elfin marten
hollow belfry
It’s easy to bounce an SU 152 (135mm of pen) with a tier 8 heavy lol
tulip edge
Its not saying much though, @elfin marten , T25/2 is a mediocre tier 7
hollow belfry
The T25 AT is by far superior
tulip edge
T25 AT is pretty underrated by a lot of people
I do like the tank, definitely not bad at all
hollow belfry
T25 AT, Cheeto SPG and Jagdpanther are all 3 very good tanks. Quite similar in fact
rotund palm
What's a Kranvagn?
grand linden
its easy to bounce an su152 until it loads a heat shell
delicate barn
@rotund palm Swedish heavy auto loader with a god like turret
and op gun depression
fast compass
Not op depression in blitz though
delicate barn
œh
viral lodge
Doesnt Kranvagn have 9 depression?
whole rose
KV-2+2
fast compass
Yeah. 9. It is great but not really op
viral lodge
I mean E5 has 8, so 9 is still a noticeable amount of depression.
fast compass
True. I was just putting the pc Kranvagn in perspective (though i do see how that is wrong), which has 12. 12 gd is insane
viral lodge
I mean PC has larger maps, so tanks can be more extreme on PC since there is more room for outplaying.
thick trout
The lupus is already super strong with its 12° alone and that has a huge weakspot in view every time it's hulldown let alone what will be the strongest turret in the game
plucky summit
Kranvagn needs some weakspot on the turret if it can hulldown, because once it looks up after firing, you're not gonna do too much xD
viral lodge
Doesnt it have sub par DPM?
plucky summit
2206 is really bad, yeah, worst out of the 16 heavies in tier 10
thick trout
It has to aim at you to fire so it's cupolas will be exposed then, but it will be very interesting to see how it is "balanced"
@viral lodge Yes but an autoroader, it's also slow as 💩 too now
viral lodge
Is that with autoreloader DPM firing?
plucky summit
It has the lowest DPM in tier 10 lmfao
rustic gate
Just got is 2, any advice for playing in it?
viral lodge
Dont 🤔
plucky summit
Lol just be a heavy and out-trade enemies once you get the 122mm
thick trout
@viral lodge Yeah it's just on one shell (idk what the websites base its dpm off) so it's first minute dpm will be higher but still pretty bad I think
viral lodge
So basically its a near unpennable tank frontally (Im unsure about high pen TD Prammo) but in return its slow and absolute trash dpm?
plucky summit
I think that's fine actually
thick trout
Upper hull looks fairly strong and lower plate is easy pen but not HEable but sides are paper, turret is impenetrable to all prammo including Japanese TDs, and it has 9 and a bit hp/t and 30kmph top speed (off the top of my head)
plucky summit
There's a 380mm tiny weakspot if it exposes the full turret, but the rest is a good 420mm+ effective
@thick trout 40 nerfed down to 30 in 7.2
thick trout
@plucky summit Perfect thanks 👍
plucky summit
Blitzhangar OP
thick trout
The gun will be the main sticking point because it's an autoloader which are almost always strong no matter what, 3.5 intraclip isnt nice at all but it still has 1200 clip with no huge reload which is intimidating no matter what
@plucky summit laziness op 😎
plucky summit
What's crazy is that the hull will sport an autobounce angle on the upper plates, therefore it's relatively safe to expose it when hulldown, so uhh.. it's... upperdown?
I can't wait to see people go "oh crap he looked up" when I go hulldown on em
thick trout
I'm going to stop telling people to look up just in case I come against them in battle early on in its release >:)
plucky summit
Lol, well, same then
thick trout
The tank with the closest armour profile is probably the E3 tbh, except even that has the beautiful HEable spot next to its cupola
fast compass
I wonder which tank in the line will be the op one. We should get some stats in a few months hopefully
thick trout
I'm going to take a guess at the tier 6 being overcooked slightly and the tier 8 being broken
plucky summit
Oh I thought only IS-7 had a hilariously weak spot on the turret, which I'd consider the superstructure of E3 as the relation
Ah I see the spot now, 76mm tho =(
thick trout
Good enough for 152s HE as someone found out in a tourney last night hehehehe
plucky summit
oof, too bad IS-7's is weaker, susceptible to tier 2s
thick trout
Yeah but it's very very very small lol
I don't think I've ever seen anyone hit it and tbh I haven't noticed it myself until just now when I looked at the model lol
plucky summit
Got my T18 penning it frontally and also E 50 M
I doubt it, but would HE work against a small amount of spaced armor with 0mm of hull armor behind it?
thick trout
We can try it I'm a training room now if you want lol
plucky summit
Sure why not, nevermind, I'm NA, you're EU
plucky summit
oof, I woulda used 183 and clapped HESH into it just to be sure, time to try on armor inspector
Armor inspector says no, and I'd agree
thick trout
Too poor to buy armourinspector for all tiers :(
plucky summit
Well you can ask me if you wanna check anything
thick trout
Lol thanks
plucky summit
Drawing tanks copypaste incoming
Freestyle: Give the type, tier, and maybe a name for your tank and I draw whatever seems… fine
Combo: Give the gun/caliber, the turret if any, and the hull of a tank you want to see (make sure it's in Blitz, or maybe Jap Heavy)
fossil yarrow
Witch deal is better 2 Tier 8 premium tanks "Type 59 Ding and 59-Patton" or Tier 10 premium "the gold dragon 121b"?
plucky summit
I don't think you should get either but I'm gonna take 121B as better since it's a tier 10 credit grinder
viral lodge
121B is bad, do not buy, period. Bad credits too btw (I own it)
fast compass
Tbh id save my gold for now
fossil yarrow
OK thanks
plucky summit
140% is lacking, so yeah, save it
fast compass
Looks like the celestial might come soon. Save your gold for that tank.
regal mist
Tbh russian heavies r borin
outer hatch
I'm waiting for the t22 medium or su130 pm I hope come soon in the store saving my gold
haughty forge
op , not even 275mm of heat pen can cut through of dat celestial
plucky summit
ISU says otherwise
regal mist
Lol fun>> op imo
viral lodge
Well, matters, do you play tournaments yes or no.
plucky summit
@haughty forge interestingly you speak of the perfect pen that would chance the upper plate
haughty forge
idek man, 275mm pen with smasher could not butter it
regal mist
Lol 112 actually has alot of spaced armor so heat wont work
viral lodge
Smasher is overhyped, and its a T7.
plucky summit
I mean, RNG decided that shot at that point, unless you shot at it more angled than constructionally
sterile lark
is this just a skin or a tank?
plucky summit
Both, aka GET IT
thick trout
Tank+camo+9 equipment slots @sterile lark
plucky summit
2 for 1 deal: You get the tank, and if you're an NA player I can teach you how to position this tank :p
delicate barn
is the chinese heavy line good?
sterile lark
so its worth
plucky summit
If you want DPM in tier 10, yes. The tank can fall apart and the gun doesn't have much depression>
@sterile lark y e s
sterile lark
okay thanks
delicate barn
the e5 doesnt have that much dpm, should I still try to go for it?
plucky summit
E5 is a nice hulldown, as well as having a solid hull, it's kind of an IS-4 but less pumped and with a larger cupola
stray cedar
The IS8s armor profile is shit if you're not reverse sidescraping and it makes me angry.
sterile lark
what are the best skills here
delicate barn
is it more mobile than an is4 @plucky summit ?
plucky summit
@stray cedar it's a medium, really
@delicate barn lemme check
In a way, no. top speed is worse, but the p/w ratio is better
stray cedar
IS7 isn't like that, right?
plucky summit
IS-7 is a heavy, yes, a pretty mobile one, the IS-8 is a real diversion, don't be worried =D
tulip edge
@sterile lark Depends what tank.
What tank is it for?
stray cedar
I have the German superheavies. Love them but sometimes the mobility gets me killed.
plucky summit
It's the Lowe @tulip edge
sterile lark
Löwe
hushed shadow
They should show exactly what you get with those pop up offers. Someone who doesn’t know their camos may not be able to identify everything they get from a picture
sterile lark
yea lol like me. I didnt even know that I get a tank lol
plucky summit
Oof, you'll love it if you treat it right
Actually, the only thing you need to change is the tier III gun equipment, and you'll be fine
stray cedar
Hide your lower plate/ point where the plates meet and your good. It's a good tank.
sterile lark
im a quite new player so I dont know many tactics and all that stuff, how you have to play specific tanks
plucky summit
I can teach you if you're NA
It's magic, ima get you a screenshot
stray cedar
What region are you? We could run the tank and ill show u.
sterile lark
my region is europe
stray cedar
Oop. Chicken beat me too it. Also rip.
tulip edge
@sterile lark
Vitality tier II, change to improved assembly on the middle column.
Tier III, change to the toolbox.
plucky summit
I think the enhanced armor will serve well for the upper front plate, especially if they want to sidescrape like this
tulip edge
Tier III first column switch from the vertical stabilisers too
sterile lark
how do i do that> Hide your lower plate/ point where the plates meet and your good. It's a good tank.
@stray cedar
stray cedar
What's good to run on the super German heavies? HP or Armor?
plucky summit
@sterile lark look at the pic ;)
delicate barn
im lost, idk what line to take since im trying to get a tank with decent armor, good speed and mobility but also with high alpha
plucky summit
@delicate barn hue hue, IS-7
stray cedar
Angle it like that ^. Or go hull down. Get behind a ridge or something.
delicate barn
ill prob go for the is7
stray cedar
One of the IS lines maybe
tulip edge
Go for a heavium.
E5 , WZ 113 , FV215b , Chieftain MK6 (if you’re willing to spend money) can all fit that description
plucky summit
Biggest thing to remember on the Lowe is that you need to wiggle your turret if you want to bounce more shots hulldown
delicate barn
the 215b is going to take alot of farming and pain since i dont like slow tanks
tulip edge
E5 is the most friendliest line out of that comparison.
stray cedar
I loooove the MK6. STUPID dpm, good mobility, great depression, and turrent armor.
viral lodge
For the E5 line just be sure to FXP the M103 to max. and consider skipping T32
sterile lark
@plucky summit So I have to hide with half of the tank behind a building right?
stray cedar
Good pen too on the MK6 tbh. Frontal armor falls armor falls apart tho.
plucky summit
@sterile lark yes, ridges work too, it's hulldown
stray cedar
Angle your tank on a corner of a building around 15 degrees if you wanna sidescrape. Be careful as over or under angling will get you penned.
sterile lark
btw whats side scraping?
plucky summit
There are so many spots on maps that are seemingly made for the Lowe, the Lowe is the perfect height and dynamic enough for many unforseen spots
stray cedar
You also can't do it against every tank. Something with a larger gun like an RHM will pen you easily. Most TDs will.
plucky summit
This is sidescraping, putting your side at an extreme angle in order to bounce shots. Use a building or a ridge in order to achieve such a position
stray cedar
Also your armor is butter in an uptier.
plucky summit
Just make sure to stay defensive, Lowe is not necessarily a frontline heavy, and can perform well as a sniper too if you need to fall back
tulip edge
If you want a medium and be aggressive then the easiest choice is the E 50 M - because thats literally the point of driving it, to bully mediums and lights.
Otherwise, you should eye up a heavium if you want all those characteristics. @delicate barn
My suggestion is either the WZ 113 or E5, but the E5 has a easier line. Unfortunately to get to a tank that have the characteristics you want, you do have to go for some tanks that don’t have amazing mobility
stray cedar
The next line im going for is the 62A. Not sure which side to take to get to it though. Light or med side.
plucky summit
Light is much more fitting
tulip edge
Both are good but I generally have more fun with the lights
stray cedar
I thought as much. I have the sheridan and I didn't enjoy that line.
sterile lark
okay thanks for all the help
plucky summit
np, good luck with it
stray cedar
I'm not very good w ATGMs either. Probably why I don't like the sheridan.
delicate barn
im going for the at line rn, not sure if i made a good decision
tulip edge
I thought you said you hated slow tanks?
stray cedar
O o f. 183 isn't good.
delicate barn
yep, but i might aswell try to get good with them
plucky summit
If you ever want 183, I think it would serve you well to skip the line, or at least the stock grind
stray cedar
If you wanna try a slow tank go for something forgiving like the maus or E100
183 is good until your spotted. Then people focus you because of your gun.
tulip edge
The line isn’t good at all, I recommend you come off it honestly.
The AT 2 is the only ‘good’ tank tier for tier there and it’s only good against the average noob.
Tortoise is just a worse jagdtiger at this point.
Fv215b 183 has the fun factor of completely destroying someone but the tank is overall bad, and bleeds credits massively
plucky summit
Best credit burner imo :p
stray cedar
^^ Just go for Jag E100 if you want a TD thats heavy and slow. If not a td then the super heavies. The maus is very forgiving.
delicate barn
well im lost once again
im looking for a big alpha, good mobility tank and thats all
next solstice
Big alpha and mobility?
stray cedar
IS7, IS4 and maybe 113?
delicate barn
yes
tulip edge
The AT line is the complete opposite. No mobility and medium tank guns until tier nine and ten
next solstice
You planning on sniping and relocating or do you plan to bust faces up close and personal
stray cedar
Grille is good for sniping and running. 268 as well. Both large alphas.
tulip edge
What is ‘big alpha’ for you?
stray cedar
Foch is also another option though im not sure of it's mobility.
delicate barn
big alpha is around 400-500
stray cedar
All the tds have like 640ish average.
delicate barn
yeah, but most dont have great mobility
tulip edge
Well I already gave my suggestions which fit your wanted characteristics.
stray cedar
Wrong. Grille, 268, and I believe the foch move around 30kph average.
haughty forge
40*
plucky summit
"Most" With Badger, 183, E3, E4 in mind
stray cedar
Lmao.
tulip edge
If 263 was actually a good tank it would fit perfectly for him
stray cedar
121b good? Just popped up 4 me.
delicate barn
im really enjoying the t54 ltwt, because of its mobilty and dpm
stray cedar
Pretty sure the ltwt has shit dpm.
301 stock has 300 more dpm lmao.
Dpm with the T9 gun is really good tho.
Lmao was looking the the T54 oops. Nah the ltwt dpm is bad.
delicate barn
ah, well it is still fun
plucky summit
ltwt's DPM is bad for the penetration it's capable of
But it's actually better than half of tier 8
stray cedar
But really the 121B is in shop w legie cammo and full upgrades. Werf?
lyric oriole
121B is pretty good right now, just under 6.1 seconds for reload time, it's leopard 1 with actual perks imo
stray cedar
Hows the armor? You mentioned leo so not great?
lyric oriole
140 with actual armor IMO, plus actual 350 shell alpha, the penetration is still a bit low, but it's a comfortable tank to use
stray cedar
Alr. I'll look into getting it. Thanks.
viral lodge
I own it and play it, its usable but if you are going to spend that much probably better to get another tank. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
delicate barn
the is4 family has really bad dpm for itheir tier
undone yew
guys how do i use the arl 44
viral lodge
IS-4 has great armour.
stray cedar
Looks cool asf. Already have the chieftain mk6 tho.
viral lodge
If you like being a shiny gold target go ahead.
lyric oriole
Hull down most of the time, aggressive against mediums @undone yew.
Use the 105 for fear factor, the top 90mm for DPM
plucky summit
ARL is a hulldown?
stray cedar
I collect legi camos don't judge. I wont pay 5500 gold for the sheri cammo tho.
viral lodge
No, its turret is laughable.
undone yew
it has ultimate weakspot in the front
plucky summit
Yeah, the track weakspots can be annoying
delicate barn
is the chinese heavy line mobile?
lyric oriole
Somewhat, the tier 10 has high straight line speed
delicate barn
and the rest of the line?
delicate barn
is it worth grinding the line?
lyric oriole
It's good for Comp, from what I've seen but not so great in Pubs.
Here's the speeds and how it progresses, keep in mind the hull traverse too.
delicate barn
alright so the traverse speed just declines
kind bluff
it turns like a boat
kinda bad gun handling
the turret is strong i guess, dpm is good i guess
hull armor can bounce but if they're at any angle above u ur butter
delicate barn
theres literally no tank that suits me
viral lodge
What playstyle do you think you want?
delicate barn
fast, agressive, decent armor, high alpha gun with good dpm
viral lodge
WZ-121 maybe
delicate barn
i tried that line and stopped at the t34 2, but i heard the 120 is the worse stock tank in the game
viral lodge
Eh, there are a lot of horrible stock T9s that lead to great tanks. Its just part of the game.
haughty forge
talking about LTWT, i will finish my grind with dat bad boi tomorrow , i would like some HE pen dmg buff, amd u can out trade any tier 8 meds or lts , das good , i enjoyed ltwt
lyric oriole
Pretty much all tier 9 mediums are the worst tanks in The game stock
fast compass
Again 121 is probably worth the grind. Especially since it seems to fit your requirement
viral lodge
heavies tend to be the same, some TDs are the only exceptions really. and ^
lyric oriole
121 is one of my favorites in tier 10 so I would recommend it, also after the DPM buffs, WZ-120 is pretty strong maxed
kind bluff
@lyric oriole ST-I wither tier 7 gun
viral lodge
M103 stock is similar.
lyric oriole
Imagine stock AMX 50 120 with 90mm
kind bluff
lol thats a thing?
lyric oriole
Iirc yeah
haughty forge
@lyric oriole i am just bored
delicate barn
3k damage match with the ltwt, i love this thing
lyric oriole
haughty forge
@delicate barn i got 3k and 4 or 5 kills , 1st class duhhhh
lyric oriole
10 second clip dump 😂 I have seen this before, and it is more sad each time
haughty forge
are we all gonna ignore the fact that arl 44 has better armor than t7 ht amx, tier 8 amx , amx 50 120 ?
sterile lark
can someone teach me how to play a few tanks becuase im pretty new and quite bad at this game. I dont know any good peek spots as well. I want to be better with chaffee, Jpanther II, Löwe, smasher and amx 12 t
fast compass
Armour doesn't matter for tier 8 and 9. And tier 7 has been powercrept.
Then again arl44 is spammed in tier 6 tourneys for a reason
sterile lark
I have arl44 is he powerful?
haughty forge
yus
delicate barn
is the t30 line good?
kind bluff
its alright
delicate barn
is it worth grinfing for?
kind bluff
not really at the moment
delicate barn
nicee
mint aurora
Nice tank.. hard to penetrate in hulldown
haughty forge
@mint aurora duh , u have ez pen cheeks
plucky summit
Turret wiggling OP
haughty forge
nah, still not as good as t34
mint aurora
😂
plucky summit
At least Lowe can sidescrape reliably while being able to fire back
mint aurora
Smasher Has no chance against me.. we were 1v1 and he did almost nothing.. got scared like a rat
plucky summit
Yeah, love bullying them, Smasher could HE a hulldown T34 if it isn't careful
viral lodge
I mean T34 is a flat out hulldown tank, Lowe is actually viable outside hulldown while T34 just gets lol penned in the hull
plucky summit
Besides, Lowe makes mad credits, it's hard to actually earn debt from a battle
mint aurora
Smasher isn't that good like in tier six - seven matches.. im owner of smasher so i know
Smasher can't pen most if the T8 heavy fronts
plucky summit
I prefer SU-152 over Smasher, though I've never played Smasher, the playstyle won't be fitting as SU fits
haughty forge
@mint aurora brah , it is godlike in t6 and 7 , can still do pretyy well with 250mm of pen in t8
viral lodge
Smasher is the definition of a seal clubbing tank, though any competent player in a decent tier 7-8 should easily wipe a smasher out.
plucky summit
The only thing I don't like about facing Smasher is the turret side spaced armor
mint aurora
I don't use premium shells 😁 Also smasher Made 5M credits easy
viral lodge
Any prem can make cred easy, well almost every ¯_(ツ)_/¯
haughty forge
@mint aurora then dont say it is bad
mint aurora
I Didnt said it's Bad 😁
delicate barn
should I start farming for the t30 line?
haughty forge
Smasher isn't that good like in tier six - seven matches.. im owner of smasher so i know
Smasher can't pen most if the T8 heavy fronts
@mint aurora u did , smasher can load Prammo and butter lowe if u run cs
kind bluff
wait bruh why would you not run premium ammo on smasher
mint aurora
Idk
plucky summit
Smasher loses DPM war with Lowe, ez
haughty forge
that is why u dont rush , trade bruh
plucky summit
Lowe pulls a sidescrape, les gooo
mint aurora
Also most of the smasher players are noobs.. but the gun saves them
haughty forge
u will still expose ur turrret cheeks and hull if u want to shoot smasher , @plucky summit , @mint aurora just because players are bad it does not mean the tank is not broken in t6-7
plucky summit
Oh I love exposing the turret cheeks just to swing my mantlet around and blocking dirty HEAT spammers
mint aurora
3/4 time while i was playing with smasher and they Also had smasher in their team.. their smasher got like one hit and adios
viral lodge
Just treat Smasher like any other derp and its an easy kill.
plucky summit
And well, there's not much hull to penetrate other than the big booty ledge or the turret rounding, and that's it
haughty forge
bruh , accept dat smasher is broken
mint aurora
IT IS
plucky summit
I warp SU with Smasher, if Smasher is broken, SU is ;)
mint aurora
Nah su dies in one hit against smasher..
haughty forge
@plucky summit smasher if far more better dan su 152
plucky summit
SU can die in one hit
mint aurora
1 he in front
viral lodge
Smasher is an anti noob tank, it excels at that.
haughty forge
smasher also takes 3 hits with ap to kill @plucky summit
mint aurora
Bro stop telling me i can't onehit su.. i destroyed him with he in his front Armor
plucky summit
Imagine taking on a Smasher in close to medium range :p
I did let you get away with the Smasher being able to one shot SU's front, but it won't always happen
viral lodge
Smashers armour is non existent unless your aim sucks or your gun is highly inaccurate. Its a glorified turreted Derp TD.
haughty forge
cant be heed from front , @viral lodge u are saying it is just a normal derp and not broken?
viral lodge
Treat it as such and its not that much of a threat. Its only broken if you suck at the game. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
plucky summit
Ok guys, TOG is now OP because it needs 3 152mm AP shots to kill
mint aurora
😃
viral lodge
An accurate derp is as useless as an inaccurate one if you dont give them a chance to shoot.
plucky summit
Lol I have a game that either makes SU-152 better performing in its role or 4 players worse than me
hollow belfry
I’m looking forward to the WZ Blaze, which I should get in 2 or 3 days. It doesn’t seem amazing but still workable and even potentially kind of fun
viral lodge
400 alpha in tier 7 is underwhelming for a TD. So I didnt bother to get it.
mint aurora
👍 watchout for new smasher players
viral lodge
Free dmg yes. Lots of free dmg.
haughty forge
Could have clapped u all with smasher , but ya all are in NA...
mint aurora
Could have clapped u all with smasher , but ya all are in NA...
@haughty forge im EU mate
viral lodge
Why do you have NA role...
hollow belfry
400 alpha for a T7 td is not really underwhelming if you ask me
haughty forge
For its color , smasher is till best t7 tonk , @mint aurora well i can clap u then
plucky summit
Aight no more Mr. Nice SU-152, time to bring out the counter: Black Prince
mint aurora
Where i Can add EU role?
viral lodge
Eh, I mean its workable, but its armour doesnt exist, and 400 alpha, so its kind of a SU -130 in tier 7.
viral lodge
Both Black Prince and T29 wipe out smashers.
haughty forge
loses on trades
hollow belfry
It has good speed, 400 alpha with quick aim time and rather wide gun arc. I should be able to make that work fine.
viral lodge
Imagine letting them trade and not push in a 1v1.
mint aurora
Thx @haughty forge
plucky summit
Imagine trading with people, rush em
haughty forge
ok i will end this pointless argument
viral lodge
lol, what are your stats even for smasher?
plucky summit
@haughty forge wait u have NA role, why?
mint aurora
Let me check
viral lodge
I want to know how much of a clubber they are
haughty forge
@mint aurora color ,
plucky summit
Anyways time to not play tier 7 because I don't need to anyways, afk until Kranvagn or until I wanna teach people the glory of Lowe
haughty forge
@viral lodge 4k wn 8 irrc
viral lodge
whats your ign?
haughty forge
@viral lodge Afzalbe ,
mint aurora
plucky summit
Nice, 2044 max XP in Smasher
viral lodge
re roll?
pliant lodge
I hate Smasher ._.
haughty forge
@viral lodge not exactly , i opened it when i lost my main account ( i quit wotb on like August 2019) came back on winter , could not remember the password of my main then opened new one on eu , i quit wotb again , came back on summer and found my main
mint aurora
I got my smasher in this event lol
viral lodge
ah
the smasher stats are nasty ngl, doesnt change my opinion, it stats pads so well since it is an anti newbie tank.
plucky summit
So apparently my message got an auto-delete, idk what was wrong but ok
haughty forge
@viral lodge it is still broken
viral lodge
It is broken at seal clubbing.
pliant lodge
Anyone can aim at a tank and shoot it for 640 damage ._.
plucky summit
Yes, like any other 152mm
mint aurora
Smasher is perfect for ammoracking poor tigers
pliant lodge
@plucky summit except Smasher has lazer accurate gun
viral lodge
Treat it like a SU-152 with a turret and its an easy kill.
mint aurora
I mean for All tanks 😁
viral lodge
An accurate and inaccurate derp are the same level of threat if you dont let them get a shot on you.
plucky summit
You know what's not OP about being a Smasher? Being the main target cause it's so mainstream
viral lodge
Quite sure Smasher gets tunneled on the same level as the AX, maybe more.
haughty forge
duh , it can go up to 35kmph quickly
mint aurora
@plucky summit well ok but sometimes people just run or hide for years cuz they have a big respect to smasher
plucky summit
Lmao just fight the Smasher when your teammates have picked it down enough
viral lodge
I have no problems fighting a smasher, if a smasher hits me a SU-152 would of as well in the same situation, as such I find it no different.
plucky summit
I find around 1450 HP the best time to start killing SMashers
haughty forge
@mint aurora lets 1v1 , imma clap ya with smasher cuz u dont think it is broken lol
mint aurora
@haughty forge im not saying it's not broken aaaaaaa..
plucky summit
Yeha I think you want to ping tank_iron_16 or me or sumn
mint aurora
Lol
viral lodge
I havent said its not broken, Its simply broken at seal clubbing. Its not Broken like the AX.
haughty forge
@viral lodge smasher has very good armor againts t6 tonks , turret , 1500 hp , cant be heed from front and stoopidly accutare gun and handling
plucky summit
Oh dang that's cool but BP
little tangle
what if smasher, but at tier 8
viral lodge
T6 tanks get completely wiped out by any decent T7 tank, so doesnt mean a lot. smashers armour becomes none existent vs T7s with any pen and most T8s
mint aurora
@haughty forge i think i explained my words wrong :/ i wanted to say the whole tíme that smasher is broken and players have a big respect
plucky summit
Should I host a room of Smashers vs tier 8s?
haughty forge
nah , t8 will win
little tangle
lol yes, NA server?
viral lodge
lol that would be hilariously 1 sided.
mint aurora
Ill spam he 😂
plucky summit
Good, because people applauded the recommendation of "buffing" it to tier 8
little tangle
lol i was joking when i said that
hollow belfry
Most of time I end up with Smashers being forced to spam HE at my Tiger II
plucky summit
Now because I like challenges, Ima do a Smasher vs tier 7 room
viral lodge
Smasher is an "OP" tank if you are a noob who cant handle anything with over 300 alpha. If you know what you are doing Smasher is no different than any other derp.
little tangle
@plucky summit what server
wise moth
Smasher is OP because of the DPM
plucky summit
Check my role, it's NA
little tangle
oh didnt know that existed lul'
viral lodge
2.3k DPM with cali and 2.5k with rammer, which is quite good, but its AP pen is quite bad for the caliber.
wise moth
Literally Panther DPM but with 4x the alpha, fully rotating turret, and actually ok accuracy and pen
mint aurora
@viral lodge im not a noob :) every battle im always guy who is top 1 with the dmg... Sometimes IT takes 10+ battle to learn the tank's playstyle
hollow belfry
Smasher is OP because of the DPM
I agree. 2500 dpm on a T7 heavy with a TD caliber gun is too much.
little tangle
i think smashers gun should underperform the one on SU-152 by a lot
viral lodge
When I say anti newbie I mean the enemy are the newbies
mint aurora
Do you guys think they'll nerf IT? 😁
plucky summit
@little tangle it does, but people take Smasher for the HP, armor, and the turret
little tangle
i guess. one way to nerf the armor is to make the smasher's frontal part of the turret like the second kv2 turret
wise moth
Turret + Huge gun + DPM is a broken combo
plucky summit
FV4005
viral lodge
Smasher excels at killing bad players, that is its purpose.
mint aurora
Why they didnt Made the event for only like Week or 5days
wise moth
4005 was kinda broken until the heavy buff TBH, and it’s only balanced out by the low HP pool and the “able to be penned by HE snapshots” thing
hollow belfry
Some HEAT pen nerf could give Smashers a taste of their own medicine when bottom tier ngl
plucky summit
uhh uhh, T110E4
wise moth
E4 has weak DPM
hollow belfry
Weak dpm and no fully rotating turret
little tangle
can someone tell me why tanks like jgpz e100 that need the super speed boost dont have it but sht like the fv4005 does
plucky summit
FV4005 can actually use the light hull and turret
haughty forge
Ddont forget that smasher has lazer gun and very nice shell velocity
little tangle
yea
plucky summit
Laser gun is pushing it
hollow belfry
The accuracy for a 152mm at T7 is way too good
wise moth
@plucky summit Also, imagine 4005 with the 183mm gun on Blitz, that would be a more apt comparison to Smasher. And that would be extremely broken
little tangle
also that reminds me, e100 (and like tanks, german bois with flat armor) should get an armor buff slightly imo, i can pen the front of an e100 soo easy with prem, and the size of the turret makes it the easiest shot
plucky summit
I likey, now I get two 183s? Sign me up
hollow belfry
A 4005 but that doesn’t eat HE all day long and can bounce
dusk apex
o is that sprint
stuck plank
https://prnt.sc/txbdva Wait what, how he got this tank ?
true socket
I cant believe there are people arguing that the smasher isn't OP when its unanimously the most broken tank in the game tier for tier
little tangle
yea lol
true socket
I did the math and the tank has 3800 effective damage per minute because it can 3 shot other tanks
little tangle
Caernarvon AX and WZ-120-1 both really frustrate me to play against but smasher is just horrible
wise moth
@stuck plank It was an event tank. No one has it any more, and it was removed from people’s garages
true socket
3800 effective damage per minute against t8 heavies** dont even get me started no t7 heavies or meds
hollow belfry
AX is sometimes annoying to deal with but it’s not gonna slap your for a thousand dmg
little tangle
that is nearly as high as the SU12254, with the highest dpm in game
viral lodge
Im more worried about a decent player in an AX than anyone besides a super uni in a smasher if im in a decent T7.
true socket
Exactly. Even the base dpm of the smasher is high, but when you consider the effective dpm its just off the wall bonkers
proven jasper
@little tangle jagtiger t9 has the highest dpm of 4200
little tangle
rlly?
viral lodge
SU 54 has more dpm
dusk apex
@true socket I don't think you can do math
little tangle
stock its lower than su122 last time i checked, but they are close
proven jasper
3900 for su-122-54 and 4200 for the jag
wise moth
122-54 has more DPM
true socket
Fun fact: The base dpm of the smasher is #3 for all TIER 8 heavies, and it would be #2 but the caernarvon, with a 190 alpha gun, has 20 more dpm. @dusk apex no youre just wrong
dusk apex
3800 dpm for a smasher against tier 8 heavies? Ok bud
proven jasper
Jesus what happened to the jag? Nerfed while i was away?
little tangle
ok i will go check, brb
hollow belfry
Someone proposed an interesting idea I agree with. Just leave the Smasher’s stats alone and put it at t8.
true socket
takes 30 seconds for a smasher to fire off 3 shots. Thats 1920 damage in 30 seconds which is 3800 effective dpm. learn math before you go insulting people you clown
wise moth
Idk where he got 3800 from, but Smasher’s DPM is still ridiculous for the alpha
viral lodge
dusk apex
Yea I think you need to go learn how to add and multiply again
true socket
Pretty sure you failed to read what I just wrote
little tangle
thanks @viral lodge
proven jasper
@little tangle sorry bud, got it interchanged my bad
dusk apex
What's the smasher reload @true socket
little tangle
np, i was wondering if i missed something lol
true socket
Smh you sure are repetitive. Its 15 seconds bud.
haughty forge
16 s with cs irrc
dusk apex
Ok, so how am I supposed to fire 6 shots in a minute with a 15 second reload @true socket
little tangle
that sounds like 4, big math moment
true socket
6 shots in a minute? WTF are you even saying? LOL
haughty forge
16,30 with CS @dusk apex 15,16 with rammer , double food
proven jasper
This IS the right way to compare the smasher
dusk apex
I'll just leave this here
wise moth
@true socket That’s what 3800 DPM means. It means 6 shots in a minute
true socket
you only need 3 shots to do 1920 and take out an enemy tank. 3 shots takes 30 seconds because the first shot is already loaded when entering a fight. thats 30 seconds for 1920 damage, which is 3840 effective dpm. Obviously, basic math confounds you as does the difference between dpm and EFFECTIVE dpm
viral lodge
Ah yes, gl penning all your shots with 85 pen, its not effective dpm.
little tangle
@proven jasper just for lols change all to HE dpm
dusk apex
the effective dpm is only 3300 @true socket
proven jasper
Jesus this is cursed
haughty forge
i would take heat dpm as effective
dusk apex
you fire once at 0 seconds, twice at 15, 3 times in 30 seconds, 4 times in 45 seconds and 5 times in one minute. Do you want me to spell it out for you?
little tangle
holy shit jags dpm with HE, RIP all tanks like Grille or 4005
proven jasper
Thats a super cursed image right there
true socket
@dusk apex God youre slow. Why would you fire 5 times in a minute when it takes only 3 shots to take out an enemy tank.
viral lodge
wise moth
@little tangle Grille has 5449 DPM with HE
haughty forge
@proven jasper try grille with HE
plucky summit
Jagdtiger has the best capable DPM in the game
dusk apex
@true socket it's still not 3800 effective dpm
little tangle
@wise moth wtf
proven jasper
New boy is in town 🤠
true socket
Youre arguing the effective dpm is applicable over 5 shots which is ridiculous given theres no tank at t8 that takes 5 shots (3200 damage) to kill
wise moth
@dusk apex @true socket Really, the stat you guys want is “First-Shot DPM” which is alpha+DPM
dusk apex
bruh this man is single handedly lowering the iq of this server down 40 points I'm done
Even with that metric it's still not 3800
little tangle
can we compare SU152 dpm to Smasher
haughty forge
guys, are u guys talking abt effective dpm or killing other tonks
proven jasper
Hell no@little tangle
dusk apex
the smasher is broken that is true, but so is this guy's math lmao
little tangle
Hell no@little tangle
@proven jasper kek ill go do it myself >:)
wise moth
@little tangle SU-152 has more DPM, but the lack of a turret makes it much less effective to use, and much less flexible
true socket
You cant even count to 40 dude. @wise moth yea, thats basically what im doing, except im being a little more precise in my calculations, as theres really no need to calculate dpm beyond the hp of most tanks at t8 (much less t7)
viral lodge
proven jasper
Big problem
haughty forge
@wise moth add less of : Accuracy, shell velocity, armor
wise moth
@viral lodge IDK y u have HEAT loaded in your screenshot for the smasher
true socket
When in an engagement youre never going to need to put more than 1920 damage into a tank, taking a smooth brain like @dusk apex 's advise and pretending the enemy tank has 3300 hp in calculations is ridiuclous
thick trout
@dusk apex He is talking about the effective dpm across 3 shots which is enough to kill most tanks. Assuming the tank is reloaded initially and the scaling that dpm up to 1 minute. The logic isn't quite sound but isn't too far away from effective dpm like first minute dpm you use for autorealoders. The maths is perfectly sound
proven jasper
Smasher doesn't need 275mm pen wth is this
viral lodge
Forgot I had it lol (fixing)
little tangle
worth it? dont judge my garage ok
dusk apex
obviously it can 3 shot tanks. I just have an issue with his "3800 effective dpm" because that's literally wrong
proven jasper
@little tangle the playstyle is a bit different
true socket
It's correct when you go off 3 shotting tanks. How is it so difficult for you to understand something so simple?
viral lodge
@little tangle no
haughty forge
my braincells are hurt by this discussion
dusk apex
@true socket no it still isn't cuz the math doesn't work out dude
thick trout
30 seconds to kill a tank, makes it 640*3 damage per 30 seconds, which is 3800dpm if you scale it up
little tangle
i was just wondering if the 121b is good bc i like my type 59 alot and they seem similar
wise moth
I get the logic behind it, but it’s kinda sus
true socket
You literally don't understand math. We've broken it down for you so many times and you still can't do basic multiplication and division
dusk apex
No it isn't you can only fire 5 shots in a minute max
viral lodge
Who is going to let a smasher hit them with that many shots in a row? Would have to be a complete idiot or someone completely out of position who is still an idiot.
proven jasper
@little tangle if u love ur type 59, go for it. Itll be great in ur hands
little tangle
thanks @proven jasper
true socket
Yea, i'm using idealistic numbers. Obviously, it would probably be better to do the calculations with heat pen, and then ofc theres the chance of bounces, but we're ignoring the chance of nonpens affecting dpm as this is an idealistic situation and obviously the enemy tank has a roughly equal chance of nonpenning so it balances out anyways
thick trout
You are almost never firing for a minute fully on your reload, so it slightly makes sense but it isn't fully sound. It's one way of looking at the tanks dpm
dusk apex
bruh arguing with you is like trying to argue with a 6 year old over whether 6 is 5 numbers away from 10 or 4
true socket
Chilly youre just too stupid to do math so you keep bringing up this ridiculous minute thing
thick trout
You could look at time to get to a certain amount of damage, or straight dpm, or even dpm/hp because they all give useful information
dusk apex
Ok so explain to me how exactly I can output nearly 4000 damage in one minute against a tier 8 heavy tank @true socket
thick trout
Neither of you are exactly right, but neither are wrong. 3800 dpm to kill a tank is a valid measure, but it isn't fully useful
true socket
You shoot them as they shoot you. 15 second reload. You shoot them again. 15 second reload. You shoot them again and they die. You've done 1920 damage in 30 seconds, which is 3840 effective dpm in that engagement.
proven jasper
@little tangle and tell me if its got ammo rack problems or anything cuz im saving my gold xD
dusk apex
Bruh that's just not it
true socket
It's actually painful how slow you are at math. Holy god, youre arguing against someone taking classes several years beyond calculus for a mechanical engineering major
dusk apex
Look, in that same minute, I only have time to shoot twice more so you won't ever reach 3800 dpm either way
@true socket my guy I'm literally took differential equations and calc 3 last semester
true socket
And you still can't do basic algebra? I've taken those classes too. Theres literally no tanks at t7 with more than 1920 hp so calculating the effective dpm beyond a 30 second engagement is ridiculous
dusk apex
And he disproved his own point ight my work is done
wise moth
@thick trout Is pretty much correct here. “3800 effective DPM” isn’t that incorrect, but it’s pretty sus
thick trout
@dusk apex It is fully correct as the dpm to get to 3 shots, putting it to 1920dmg/30sec, you can extend this to 4 shots or more if you want but it tends to its dpm
true socket
I disproved my point by repeating what i've already said 10 times?
dusk apex
read what u said in the prior message, but slowly
true socket
I stated that the effective dpm over 3 shots is 3800 which is fully corerct.
thick trout
@wise moth It's err "misleading" I would say
wise moth
^
dusk apex
my God dude even if you shoot high explosive 3 shots won't even make 3000 on average
true socket
You're hopeless
thick trout
But then again so is just looking at its normal dpm is also misleading
true socket
Chilly isn't even arguing if its misleading. He just refuses to believe that 3 shots is 3800 effective dpm
dusk apex
it's just not...
wise moth
I like the “First Shot” DPM metric, which is just Alpha + DPM @thick trout
dusk apex
Using positive's metric which actually makes sense, you'll reach 3200 effective firing standard rounds
true socket
What I'm doing is technically the first shot metric except i'm being more specific because dpm over the hp of a t7 tank is more precise than dpm over a minute. And the effective dpm increases as the dpm needing to be dealt decreases.
dusk apex
yes you can evaporate a tank in 30 seconds, but calling that 3800 effective dpm is wrong
wise moth
@dusk apex What Sprint’s metric is, is he’s saying that a Smasher, over a 30s interval, will have First shot DPM equivalent to a tank with 3800 First Shot DPM on the same 30s interval.
thick trout
@wise moth I quite like first minute dpm as well but I tend to judge tanks off playing them or comparing them to tanks I have played rather than pure stats
dusk apex
That's what he's trying to say, that's not what he said instead all he did was mess up his math and use immature language
thick trout
@dusk apex Against that one tank, it is 3800 dpm for the first shots
true socket
My math is solid. Everyone is telling you that. You are just too stubborn to admit basic math confounds you
dusk apex
The smasher will not have 3800 effective dpm, it will operate the same as one that does, but it itself will not have that much effective
thick trout
For the first 30 seconds it has 3800 dpm @dusk apex
dusk apex
if I bounce a shell multiple times, I don't get to suddenly unleash 6 shells in that minute
true socket
As you change from a 1 minute metric to an infinitely long period of time, dpm comes infinitely close to the listed value as first shot no longer has as large an impact. Likewise, if you move the opposite direction from a minute to 30 seconds, the dpm becomes larger rather than smaller, hitting 3800 at 30 seconds as the initial shot has a larger impact over a smaller period of time
dusk apex
The logic of your argument is just quite sus my guy
wise moth
@true socket Yeah, but your mistake is comparing it to normal DPM numbers. Your metric is just DPM + 2*Alpha
Even the IS gets a crazy DPM number of 2700 by that metric
true socket
@wise moth That's still a full 1k lower than the smasher at 3 tiers higher, though. And idk if you did this at first glance, but you cant calculate over 30 seconds anymore as t10 tanks have ~2.5-3k hp and thus you'd probably have to calculate over a longer period of time like a minute 15 seconds which lowers the effective
thick trout
It's only an effective measure when compared to dpm measured in the same way
true socket
Basically, i'm calculating over 30 seconds because 1920 damage is the lowest # of shots to kill any tier 7 tanks
wise moth
Using tier as a variable is pretty strange though
true socket
Like, theres no need to calculate over a minute when theres no tanks with that much hp. I might as well cut it down to the lowest period of time thats still 100% a kill given all shots pen, in which case the effective dpm is higher than previously expected
wise moth
Because different tanks within tiers have pretty different amounts of HP, and crucially, you’re forgetting about the lost damage when hitting low HP targets. Your metric kinda unfairly biases towards high alpha, when it doesn’t really work all that well in reality
true socket
1920 will take out any tank of that tier, regardless of its hp, which is why its valid, even if the smasher can 2 shot some tanks (which is even higher effective dpm)
dusk apex
The highest hp tank at tier 8 is what 1700?1800? Using your own argument the effective dpm would still fall short hundreds below 3800
true socket
The only logic flaw is that the smasher will likely need to use heat in practice, which may take 4 shots for some tanks and thus changes the timeframe to 45 seconds wherein the effective dpm in that engagement drops significantly
@dusk apex you proved my point by stating that as it would take 30 seconds to do more than that
thick trout
The thing is that being able to focus on one single tank isn't very common, and so that's why that measure isn't very useful
true socket
That is true as well. I'm just stating in a 1v1 situation, ideal, where everyone pens every shot
dusk apex
No you're missing the point, no tank at tier 8 has 1920 hp
true socket
You're missing the point. The fact that no tank at t8 has 1920 hp proves that theres no reason to calculate BEYOND doing 1920 hp. Youre literally proving my argument and you dont even realize it
dusk apex
Lemme fix your logic for you, the smasher can take out any tier 8 tank in 30 seconds, therefore it has whatever like 1850-1920 effective dpm over 30 seconds. But the mistake you're making is scaling that up to one minute, it's not the same thing
true socket
LOL. You just said that it has 1920 effective DPM (Damage per MINUTE) over 30 seconds. Bro you realize its 60 seconds in a minute right?
dusk apex
by your own logic, trying to calculate effective dpm beyond the 30 second mark is pointless and won't work
true socket
You obviously don't realize the distinction between effective dpm and dpm
dusk apex
My guy. You can have 1900 effective dpm in 30 seconds, but in the real world in game, that does not correlate to 3800 in one minute
true socket
It's called effective dpm because its only calculating based on a 30 second timeframe
little tangle
WOW you guys are still at it huh?
true socket
This guy has been told he's wrong by like 3 people and he still refuses to accept mathematically proved logic.
Now he's arguing that the effective dpm of the smasher is 1920, which is lower than its actual dpm of 2550
thick trout
1920dp30sec is awkward to type so it's easier to extend it to 1 minute
dusk apex
The maximum it can correlate to is still 3200 because you can then shoot twice more in that minute at a different target, but dpm doesn't work as a metric when talking about 30 second intervals. That's why it's called damage per minute and not damage per 30 seconds
true socket
EFFECTIVE dpm. How does the distinction still miss you? Of course you dont know what effective dpm means anyways..
dusk apex
I just have a problem with you saying it's 3800 effective dpm while that clearly won't be outputted in game
true socket
I'm done with this. Youre obviously clueless about math. Nobody agrees with you either. You can go ahead and argue your wrong point to an empty screen because theres not a single person here who was convinced that your faulty math was valid
dusk apex
Either way, I think the effective dpm is 3200 max with standard rounds and u think it's 3800 and frankly I really don't care either way
Your logic was just sus, as all 3 of those guys pointed out
This is just the fence counting problem all over again
next solstice
Wait @dusk apex what are you guys talking about. I wana do math too
mint aurora
This match was so epic
delicate barn
Should I farm for the hellcat line or continue down the panther line?
mint aurora
Lol choose what line you like
tulip edge
Considering how you told us how you like to play and what you want, I’d say it’s best you continue down the panther line and stick to it
delicate barn
Yeah, the problem is I get distracted by other lines incredibly easily
tulip edge
I mean, it’s fine to branch out into other lines. I’d say just have a main focus on the ideal line for you first, which would be the panther right now
delicate barn
Normally when i don't do well in a tank and im not having that much fun I just switch to another line, but that ended with me being very poor and with not many tanks in my garage
ancient iron
is it fair to say that the Chi-To is not worth playing and just something to free XP?
kindred wren
It is not completely unreasonable
viral falcon
The chi-to's actually fine. At least the gun is amazing in every aspect, and that suits the whole line.
wise moth
Gun is pretty mediocre actually, and let's be real, why would anyone ever play a Chi To when they could play a Crom B
viral falcon
Because a lot of players don't have a cromwell B, or you want to grind the japanese med line by trying out every tank. I agree it's not something that you'd keep for fun, but skipping it with free xp is a bit of an overexaggerating.
next solstice
ill grind the japanese line once they get the mobility buffs
solid gate
Question should I get the TOG II or not?
kindred wren
For the memes, yes, for the gameplay, no
solid gate
Ok
thick trout
@viral falcon Brom shouldn't be that rare since it was sold super cheap
viral falcon
That's true, but consider half of the playerbase either children with no credit card nor allowance from parents, and/or people who refuse to spend on a game and wiew playing it only as time killing. @thick trout
eternal salmon
what are the chances, i send a friend request to droodles a week ago and it appeared in his video today.
solid gate
Hih
low elk
meh
he accepted mine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
thick trout
@viral falcon It actually has over 2.5x the players of the chi-to, but I imagine a lot less owners because it's tech tree
viral falcon
Oh, you're right
eternal salmon
@low elk but the chances tho
low elk
pretty high these days
droodles barely plays the game anymore
he hasnt even played 100 games over the course of the event
eternal salmon
but i sent the friend request like a week ago
that made my day, even if he does not accept it
low elk
blitz cycles friend requests
id give a 1% chance
eternal salmon
1% is very lucky
kindred wren
I wish people would say that when it’s the chance for getting a tank in crates and not “you never know”
low elk
eternal salmon
I wish people would say that when it’s the chance for getting a tank in crates and not “you never know”
@kindred wren hey, im really not that lucky, ive played for 4 years and neer got a single prem tank in the weekly boxes
low elk
thats my response to when someone asks if a crate is worth it and its not
kindred wren
@eternal salmon I actually got quite a few out of those crates
eternal salmon
@eternal salmon I actually got quite a few out of those crates
@kindred wren yep, you are luckier then me
hushed shadow
Those are pretty nice. I’ve got a lot of resources out of them each week, as well as a few tanks
kindred wren
The T-25, the SU-100Y (twice) and the T26E4 for sure. I also have the AC IV Sentinel and the T23E3 but I believe that I got those from events
eternal salmon
what should i use all this add worth of gold to
kindred wren
One tier nine tank (sometime in the future) or two tier eight tanks (special offers)
elfin marten
Is tog bundle worth it? Comes out around every March or may
rose venture
Random question... if you purchase a tier X tank before it has a legendary camo added for it, will you still get the sale for that camo you normally get for tier Xs
ancient iron
honestly.... the pen on the Chi-To is..... tolerable..... but considering it's a 75mm at T6.... it should definitely be at least a bit more accurate or fire a bit faster.... am I supposed to believe my tank's crew is incredibly feeble? I swear even the 100mm guns on soviet machines are faster firing.... .-.
kindred wren
@rose venture I might have misunderstood your question, but the sales are not dependent on when you acquire the tank. For example I got the IS-7 after they added the “Battle-Hardened” camouflage on it and still got the offer, but I also got the Leopard 1 before they added the “Wild” camouflage and also got the offer. The offers seem to be more depending on your buying pattern or something like that, it’s not entirely clear how WG gives them out.
rose venture
Aight thanks @kindred wren , that’s just the answer I wanted lol
hushed shadow
I get the offer whenever I play a tank I haven’t played it for some days or some longer period
solid gate
@ancient iron It has the highest DPM of mediums in the tier alongside the Cromwell and the gun is very accurate for a tier 6
solid gate
Amx 30 B tier X tank but noone said that you still have a huge cupola
whole rose
Obj 252U-II
solid gate
😂
ancient iron
it is middling accuracy all else equal... and is let down by VERY BAD hull traverse and movement dispersion.... and lacks the armor or speed necessary to even make good on its merely average gun.... and I was even generous when comparing it to other meds at tier 6 by not using prem or collector tanks... and the average (calculated by adding the dispersion values across all 9 tanks, then divided by 9) (using 100% crews, no crew skills, full equipment in identical, logical loadouts, and small crew boost consumables on all tanks) the average is 0.350111111111........ the Chi-To is technically, though only slightly, below average at 0.359.....
Chi-to is 4th in DPM, behind the Cromwell, Easy 8, and Firefly....
Has the 2nd best pen admittedly.... but is considerably behind the 1st place tank (the Firefly) having only 155 on standard, compared to the Firefly's 171...
Is tied with several tanks for the least average damage at 160... (the P.43 bis leads with 225)
Is both one of the largest, and lightest armored meds at its tier, AND somehow tied with the two shermans for slowest medium at its tier.... the Chi-To is not the best at anything, and is frequently among the worst....
whole rose
Wtf that long
solid gate
You need more aim time for 2 at obj 252U-II
whole rose
How about object 252U-III
solid gate
Too long to read but they will, thanks anyway
ancient iron
for clarity: equipment I put to check them was: Rammer, Gun Laying Drive, Vert Stab, Defense System, Improved Assembly, toolbox, optics, engine accelerator, Consumable Delivery system.
solid gate
Yeah its going on 3,4,5...
whole rose
For me I only look for the tanks stats on what its really lacking and i dont add unnecessary equipments
ancient iron
the TL;DR is basically: The Chi-To bad, and needs a buff
hell even a buff to the dispersion while moving would go a long way
whole rose
Chi-to is ok and it isnt hard to play
solid gate
I have to say. We need a new tier up to 12 with new tegnolgy Tanks
ancient iron
nah.... this is WG.... they'll just eventually release the Leo 2A7, M1A3 Abrams, etc. as tier 10 collector tanks that are in loot boxes
whole rose
I got abrams mod w8 hahaha
solid gate
Gg all and stay in safe, life is all we have.
whole rose
M1A2 Gen 4 with tusk system and crow nest
plucky summit
hot
whole rose
With crow nest mg gunner dont need to go outside to shoot it will be remote controlled inside
plucky summit
Unfortunately the MG doesn't function in Blitz :p
ancient iron
I actually would love it if we could get access to the MGs on some tanks to use for blowing away soft cover and stuff.... but I'd imagine it won't happen because peeps would just use it to continuously reset track repair times
tacit orbit
Render it useless but only to blow cover.
untold iron
Anyone else have the T30?
kindred wren
@plucky summit M60A2 Starship 👀
keen escarp
Guys i am so happy
My mom got me the 121B today and I got a certificate for Tier X and i was able to get Is4 and i got the Legendary Skin because it was on sale
kindred wren
Congratulations
kindred wren
If you can make the Starship shoot a missile too that would be epic XD Gotta have it for tank suggestions in #737315852650676361 😜
plucky summit
Ok it deleted my message but anyways @kindred wren idk what you want from me in that request lol, give me a combination of modules
frigid crater
What's the best tank
plucky summit
@frigid crater it boils down to opinion
frigid crater
Let's hear it
plucky summit
Well what qualities would you like best in a tank?
kindred wren
@plucky summit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_tank#/media/File:M60A2_at_AAF_Museum.jpg
M60 hull, Sheridan gun and turret (some versions) or the turret in the picture
Starship is like the nickname
plucky summit
Try I shall
kindred wren
Good luck
plucky summit
@kindred wren jus gon warn you right now, every party of the tank is american and it'll look terrible, so make sure your standards are already through the ground
kindred wren
I will dig a hole so they can go a little deeper
plucky summit
Vurr good, do a good 21 miles at least
kindred wren
I'll try
plucky summit
Oh boy... here it is @kindred wren
kindred wren
Wanna try drawing the AMX 13 90?
plucky summit
But it’s an existent tank :<
keen escarp
Nice drawing
plucky summit
Thanks
whole rose
Super T110E5
runic imp
^^^^^^^^^WG, this please. Lol
icy island
Does anyone know what this tank is and where it is from?
whole rose
@icy island its a rare collector tank
solid gate
@icy island it’s from warhammer 40k
icy island
Ok thanks guys
delicate barn
Should I go for the E5 or the E50M?
glass otter
E5
next solstice
both good. e5's meta
next solstice
Flak
solid gate
Probably. Good turret armor
haughty forge
@rotund palm no save up
delicate barn
Wow, from what I've heard the 121b isn't all that good and saving up 27k gold from ads takes alot of time and effort, so I think you should save up and try to get a better tank like the t22 if it gets on sale @rotund palm
haughty forge
@solid gate 121b is just a worse 62a . @rotund palm get something else duh'
solid gate
Oof. My bad.
delicate barn
We all have different tastes, but it depends on his play style too
haughty forge
@delicate barn it is just a 62a with 1 degree less gun depression
delicate barn
Yeah it's probably not worth it, unless you just don't wanna grind for a tank like the 62a
haughty forge
grinding is easier than getting 15k gold
sudden granite
the 121B is fun
basically the armour of the 62A and the DPM of the leo put together
haughty forge
@sudden granite duh . 62 a has 7 degrees while 121b has 6 degrees
whole rose
rigid lintel
i wanna see a auto tank that does 1 damage every shot, but you can hold down the shoot button
whole rose
What is that gun some gatling nail gun
rigid lintel
50 damage a second, 3000 damage a minute
t10
so more like a gatlin matilda bullet :]
dusk apex
that wouldnt be a good tank cuz u would need to have very high time on target
sudden granite
so a gravedigger on steroids with a vulcan minigun strapped onto it
rotund palm
Imma keep saving up my gold then
Why do i keep seeing E25 Players now... I got bullied by a platoon in my Löwe
broken turtle
e25 is obviously op but no one understand how op they are, much more than derp
whole rose
E25 is ez to play its basically a sniper and hunter when enemy are few
dusty copper
E25 isnt op lmfao
Its a paper tank with 160 alpha. Dpm doesn't matter if you cant apply it.
whole rose
its not paper bruh you cant even 1 hit it
haughty forge
not op but it is it is annoying
rotund palm
@haughty forge it's an annoying roach which smashers hate when face hugging
dusty copper
Smashers are annoying so it's some great karma
rotund palm
True i should try to use E25 To Annoy Smashers lol
dusty copper
Please do. Smashers deserve to get tunneled
rotund palm
Need to get my brother thought to see a platoon of smashers
haughty forge
double e25 will be broke imo
rotund palm
First match a Platoon of KV 3 .-.
I wonder how many ppl Will rage Facing a Toon of E25
faint solstice
Yooooooo I just thought of a possible fix for Sheridan
dusty copper
Remove spaced armor?
faint solstice
Ok ok hear me out: you know that thing they did with the panhard EBR on pc where you can only have 1 per team max on competitive? What if we did that with missile tanks in general
dusty copper
Usually there already is 1 per team max
faint solstice
No, you have platoons of sheridans and that just brakes things. Yeah I can deal with 1 T92 or 1 Sheridan, but not 2
dusty copper
It only takes 1 to ruin a game by making some ridgeline unusable
faint solstice
Another idea is to reduce the T92s’ armor profile to that of the tier 7 SP 1 C
So basically 12mm frontal armor so a light tank isn’t bouncing more than it should
lost tree
T92 is ridiculously annoying in my IS8 until I can just slam it with a shell
plucky summit
Pz. II J :3
solid gate
So what should i choose Japanese tds or british turret tds?
quartz socket
Do u know if u use HE for T29 it will cause 400 damage above. But it will only be effective with light tanks and some tank destroyers like nashron.
tulip sundial
E25’s are annoying to smashers? I’ll just call on my Smasher toonmate to help 😉
solid gate
buff FV215b Hp😁
haughty forge
nah
rotund palm
Buff E25 damage so Smasher finally has an annoying roach chasing
haughty forge
it is already strong , do u want to make it super op?
rotund palm
Yes
rapid orchid
I don't think I will
nocturne tiger
Can anyone tell me what should I do if I'm a KV 1s with a 85mm gun?
rapid orchid
Don't use the 85mm
Low pen
nocturne tiger
Yeah that's my problem in it
rapid orchid
So you research the 85mm instead of the 122 mm? Or u research the 85mm first?
rotund palm
Is Jg Pz E100 Better than FV 183 ?
rotund palm
Tbh the only TD I know how to play is the FV217 Badger
rapid orchid
Idk man, i play SU 152
glass otter
It's okay but jood job
vivid shoal
Do u r have english
rapid orchid
@vivid shoal wtf?
vivid shoal
i shall not speaketh of my actions
keen escarp
@rotund palm yes get 121b
twilit siren
do thou not speakith thine English? @vivid shoal
vivid shoal
i dont speaketh thy english
twilit siren
Then why is thou in thine English server
tulip edge
@rotund palm Yes the JG is better. As a matter of fact, pretty much everything is
vivid shoal
ofc im english
twilit siren
Ik it was for the memes
tulip edge
@nocturne tiger You have 2 options with the 85mm:
-
Play very defensively and second line, as your gun is awful. Your time in the tank won’t be great, and you will get rolled a lot.
-
Don’t play the tank, and grind through free xp and get the 122mm so then you are more competitive
haughty forge
110 mm on a t6 ht is just PAIN
strange thicket
@rotund palm no don't get the 121b
get a t62a instead and the grind is not even bad on that
save your gold for something worth it
more than the 121b
stiff swift
When you sell a tank you don’t get 100% of the purchase price back. That’s why it’s not smart to sell tanks. Usually it’s 50% of the principal and then 100% of any consumables, provisions, and ammo
rotund palm
@woeful bloom why would you sell me ;-;
woeful bloom
I would never I’m just talking about the rigged price range 😔 @rotund palm
pliant lodge
I remember when you got 100% back. That was good times
rotund palm
If we get 100% I'd probably say goodbye to my Fv 183
Then purchase Vickers Light
I'm lacking Garage spaces
mental violet
But how, there are so many free ones :3
pliant lodge
I feel Garage slots should be unlimited. It's stupid that you can only have a certian amount of tanks.
Another way for WG to earn some $$$
Buff IS-7 turret pls :v
rotund palm
I can't sell them MS I and Renault and Leichttraktor
Besides MS I has a tail i can troll with
analog verge
@flat pier @bleak ravine @wanton fern @grand cliff
We Turkish players waiting tier 5 or 6 Turkish pre. med tank mke Kırıkkale 1943 and tier 6 or 7 Turkish pre. light tank.Except the engine all devices Turkish product.We dont have any foto for this tanks so wargaming can be done everything.
dusk apex
@pliant lodge in the real world, do you have unlimited garage spots?
lyric oriole
World of Warships has Unlimited spots as far as I remember
pliant lodge
@dusk apex in the real world does Smasher exist?
dusk apex
smasher shouldnt exist regardless lmao
pliant lodge
Why should garage slots be a problem? They slowed my progress in grinding tanks. So I had to sell tanks when I wanted to keep them
dusk apex
i never ran into any issues with slots idk
pliant lodge
I did, because I was F2P ._.
dusk apex
same, crazy right?
haughty forge
@dusk apex same , i never need any slots ._.
lyric oriole
That's just it, you want to keep too many tanks then you can't progress. You can always watch ads for gold, that's a guaranteed garage slot every 5 days, maybe more for your gold if you save for the bigger bundles of slots
tulip edge
Wargaming tend to give out garage slots during events and stuff, sometimes they put them on a discount too
analog verge
@TET4CER<#2384 me to
solid gate
@tulip edge same
stiff swift
Well, I have 120 free garage slots. If you can convince Wargaming to add the feature maybe I’ll donate a few 😜
viral lodge
Im finding it hard to be consistent in the SU-152, any advice?
grand linden
youre probably too agressive
thick trout
With the 152 it just isn't a consistent tank so there isn't really much you can do, the 122 is better but who uses that 🤷♀️
haughty forge
@viral lodge ehm... it is a nice tonk , but u have to use HEAT , aim fully , dont rush and use CS
viral lodge
I pen AP no problem normally, its probably being too aggressive in positioning, ill work on that.
solid gate
Su-152 is a tank that you snipe and support. Never go in unless its the last guy or you have support from teammate. I lost so many games because I got overwhelmed...
grand linden
teammates are there so you dont have to be there sit in spawn and snipe OP strat i see kv4s using it all the time
haughty forge
Or bully enemy lt
modern parcel
What do you guys think about T 55A? I personnaly think that it's the best T9 medium tank
viral lodge
Now that I look at the stats may be my worst tank ive played recently.
solid gate
Lol. I like ISU. Nearly one shoted 2 tanks. Both higher teir. One died, the other at 38 hp.
grand linden
the isu is so annoying. youre in a tier 8 medium and boom half of your hp gone
solid gate
Exactly. Also can HE Su-152. 🙂
haughty forge
@viral lodge rip , @solid gate su can he Su too
solid gate
Tru. In right place. But ISU can pen front
viral lodge
I may just not fit that playstyle.
modern parcel
T55a is basically 3k dmg/min that's insane for a tier 9
haughty forge
I will take 30 0 er over t55 a all the time
solid gate
@viral lodge If you like aggresive, American light is good. If you wanna, I can friend you and we can grind together. If in NA server...
haughty forge
@ TheAverageAsian#0185 he is on NA and he is not a newbie and he is experienced
solid gate
Lol. Im also not newbie. I've played for 4 years...
viral lodge
I know how to play most lines, Im just struggling to be consistent with the SU-152, these are my 30 day stats.
modern parcel
AMX 30 1er proto is basically a T8 that WG upgraded to T9 so that he'll cost more
solid gate
@viral lodge Nice. Better than mine...
modern parcel
All his elements are T8
haughty forge
@modern parcel Amx 30 0 er is probably best tier 9 med , better than 55a
solid gate
It's ok...
viral lodge
Just a bit too much lower tiers, but you play what you will.
modern parcel
@haughty forge I don't think so, he has a bite more mobility but a worst Canon and motor
haughty forge
U are actually forgetting turret armor
solid gate
@viral lodge Thanks. I platoon with low teir friends who recently started. So oof.
viral lodge
Prot is better btw.
modern parcel
The fact is that AMX 30 1er P hasn't a good turret armor, but a retracted turret so that it's hard to pen
grand linden
the prot claps tier 8 meds
viral lodge
The T55A barely registers as a threat to any T9 tanks and especially not anything to T10s. Its pen is pretty crap for a T9 med.
modern parcel
He has an higher penetration than AMX
haughty forge
It claps everything when hulldown , mantlet is so big and if it wiggles boom, no shet can pen it , for example , conway will butter t55a and will struggle to pen Prot turret
modern parcel
For playing both I can tell that T55a is better
haughty forge
Just u , prot is far more better
modern parcel
It's deals 310/6.4sec with a higher penetration
fast compass
Proto is more flexible :/
modern parcel
While Prot deals 280/6.7sec with less penetration
viral lodge
DPM is not all that makes a tank. Note, 5 vs 10 depression
haughty forge
@modern parcel proto has higher pen than 55 a wdym , prot has only half second more reload
modern parcel
U can't only judge a tank by his turret which his the only advantage of the amx proto
fast compass
Proto also performs far better
haughty forge
@modern parcel proto and 55 a has same alpha , where are u getting those stats
viral lodge
Depression is quite important. One of the more important stats.
haughty forge
@viral lodge prot it monster on hulldown tho
viral lodge
Exactly, 5 more depression and great at hulldown, 55a has only 5 depression so ya.
haughty forge
Turret on 55a is poopoo
fast compass
55a is nice, it is basically a t54 with slightly worse armour and better gun. But it is hard to beat the amx proto
modern parcel
Guys I already compared in reality in real games not on website and t55a has no problem to pen a Maus by the side or the back while amx proto only can by the back, the t55a canon is basically better, overmore, ur talking about AMX turret but u can't always hide so that there are only ur turret
viral lodge
Consider that T 55 A is just what fits your playstyle
haughty forge
@modern parcel , PROTO has much better pen than 55 a
modern parcel
Amx proto body is easy to pen with HE
grand linden
honestly a lot of tier 8 meds need dpm buffs especially with the recent heavy buff
modern parcel
@haughty forge I swear no, go in real games, compare with same tanks etc u'll see by urself
fast compass
Tier 8 meds have always been tortured and bullied
haughty forge
Ok this guy must be a troll , seriously, u can do everything better in proto rather than 55a , @modern parcel so u are saying that blitzstars is a liar?
modern parcel
Did u already played with both tanks? @haughty forge
grand linden
like if i see s sheriff in my type 59 i cant do jack since the sheriff has 500 more dpm more armor and 500 more hp
tulip sail
Blitzstars takes the stats from the game files
haughty forge
@modern parcel i own none , blitzstars shows that proto has 14mm more pen and i faced both of them on conway, i could butter 55a even on the turret, while couldn’t do anything againts hulldown and wigglish proto
fast compass
There are things 55a does that proto can't do as well. Then there are things that proto does which 55a can't even imagine to do.
haughty forge
@fast compass like what 55 a can do better
grand linden
one advantage that the 55a has more is that pramo 297 compared to the sad 273 of the proto
fast compass
Yeah better prammo. Plus its hull can bounce if angled well which proto can't. But there are more drawbacks to the 55a
haughty forge
Ffs , u will eventually get buttered by anyone that loads prammo in t55a on turret, while proto is much better
grand linden
certainly would not count on the armor of the 55a
modern parcel
@haughty forge t55a has a better Canon and can easily handle a heavy while Amx can't
haughty forge
U should not be fighting ht with mt
hazy mantle
why doesnt t95 have rockets? please msg your anser
hazy mantle
oh why wont they add them than?
orchid nymph
omg
tulip sail
It was an outdated afv for an outdated type of war
hazy mantle
oh
tulip sail
And it was outdated by at least 20 years
By the time atgms were effective and wide spread
hazy mantle
oh i got a nother qustion,Online why does it lable t96 as a super heavy tank not a td?
solid gate
What
tulip sail
Bc it was never a td
hazy mantle
oh
tulip sail
It was a super heavy tank
hazy mantle
was?
tulip sail
Yes that's what it was designated by the US army
hazy mantle
i know that but why not now?
viral lodge
Its obviously not in service, so was. Its just a relic now if there is still one around.
tulip sail
There's 1 left
wise moth
T95 by US doctrine was definitely a super heavy tank, and not a tank destroyer. US TD doctrine called for light, relatively mobile vehicles that could be held in reserve
viral lodge
"Was" indicates that at the time of naming (in the past) it was designated that, it does not mean it was changed.
hazy mantle
oh
tulip sail
Thank you iorn
solid gate
True. T95 was designed to pen the German line as a super heavy tonk.
tulip sail
And I think the last one is at Aberdeen but I might be wrong
wise moth
The *siegfried line, a more or less imaginary German defensive belt of fortifications
solid gate
Just like the Atlantic Wall...
hazy mantle
i under stand now
tulip sail
Any other questions?
hazy mantle
no
tulip sail
Ok just ping me if you do
haughty forge
@tulip sail could sherman brawl with panther 1 irl
tulip sail
Depends an so many factors
haughty forge
@tulip sail firefly vs panther
tulip sail
Well what range who sees who first are they driving combat ready tube? Are they already loaded for at is it in a town or open field etc
But if you want a simple answer then it mostly depends on who sees the other first bc in average combat range both could kill the other
solid gate
It also depends of the crew and their combat style...
kindred wren
@wise moth The Siegfried line very much existed, although it's purpose was rather to support an offensive attack than to defend against a war of aggression. Though later on it was used for defensive purposes
thick trout
But anyway consider the E3, it has much better armour then the E4 I'm proposing, same alpha, better accuracy, and it has the flexibility of the consumables, without any weakspot that the majority of the playerbase can hit at all, they just bounce the cupola all day. Unless you consider the E3 completely broken, there is no way the E4 would be too strong.
The E3 would still be able to hold positions amazingly, it just wouldn't be every single position you can think of, and there's absolutely no reason people who don't camp in it already would be pushed into camping in it. The E4 would actually be able to expose without cowering in the bushes because of its horrendous cupola and not enough gun depression to even hide half of it, and it would be a decent tank to play for once
wispy rain
Quick question..why is the Indien Panzer so underrused? Its a really solid tank, even in todays meta..at least in random battles. Its got a nice top gun, bouncy armor and a big ol gun mantlet..the only thing it doesnt have going for it is a little low mobilty for a med and it suffers against tier 9 heavies
random tartan
because it's bang average
wispy rain
Lol katyusha would just be a t49 with no armor or hp with a bunch of rapid fire he missiles
A td with no concealment once it fired and fair easier to shut down since all of its modules are easily slapped by a tank
analog verge
Katyusha is imposible
wispy rain
It would be cancerous for both sides lol, a 'tank' thats both a pain in the behind for the enemy team in the right situation and useless for the friendly team in any other situations