vehicles-discussion

[median vapor]

What is meta vehicle? Probaly 1 generally good. Dmg. Armor or that. Distance etc.

[ember arrow]

just got jagdtiger and I'm doing badly in it, any tips on it?

[next solstice]

Hide the lower plate
Use the gun depression

[wise spindle]

@median vapor Is recommend Maus, it is fun to play and decently powerful, if you’re willing to take the risk. The grinding is horrible but it’s worth it

[median vapor]

Risk?

[slate peak]

Sheridan gud?

[wise moth]

@median vapor Maus. Maaaauuuuuuussssssss

[median vapor]

Why that, could you convince me?

[wise moth]

@median vapor 3.2k HP is all the convincing you should need. All you need to do is hold down the forward button, angle a little bit, and win the game. It's pretty much the only tank where you can drive into the open, into a crossfire, and still come out on top

[median vapor]

Ok

[hushed kayak]

Did everyone know about the super conquecor?

[gentle wasp]

Yes

[hushed kayak]

Can i have the Information about it?

[gentle wasp]

It’s in blitzhangar and blitzstars for everyone to see.

[hushed kayak]

Ok thx

[fervent sand]

What would be a good TD line for good frontal armor, Like the T95

[gentle wasp]

E3 is great but the line blows.

[median vapor]

What would be the second line after germay?

[gentle wasp]

Idk if you would consider Ho Ri as having good armor...
@median vapor Russian meds

[median vapor]

Japan?

[fervent sand]

@gentle wasp okay... is the climb fun? (After I have gotten my IS-4 and IS-7 I have the competitive tanks I want.)

[gentle wasp]

@fervent sand For the Ho Ri? The t7 is good, heard bad things about the t8 and mediocre things about the t9. Don’t know much about them honestly.

[fervent sand]

Okay thanks

[median vapor]

Is it good to go for Ho Ri then?

[gentle wasp]

In general I wouldn’t really recommend it, don’t seem like the easiest tanks to play

[wise moth]

Japanese TDs are pretty bad

I am losing my sanity playing them at this very moment because I need to put these event x5 XP boosters to use. And they're sooooooo bad

[kind bluff]

german td line to jag pz e100 all seem solid now considering recent buffs; the tier 10 is okay, but none of them are weak in pubcs

[gentle wasp]

Which tank Positive

[wise moth]

The tier 8. And I didn't even like the tier 7 either
@median vapor Japanese TDs

[median vapor]

UK?

[gentle wasp]

Worst line in the game. Steer clear.
(183 that is)

[wise moth]

The entire UK tech tree is pretty bad

[median vapor]

Ok no that.

[hasty cedar]

I think the only good uk lines are the 4005 and the vickers
Others are just a waist unless you really like hesh and 250 apcr pen

[solid gate]

is STB1 good? How so?

[wet marsh]

Yes

Good turret armor, good mobility, good gun depression.

[rustic gate]

Is the t28 HTC very good?

[lyric oriole]

No, not really

[rustic gate]

Ah

What about the Chrysler k?

[waxen kraken]

What is a good Tier 5 Premium Tank Destroyer...

[lyric oriole]

Chrysler K is pretty good, a lot of people complain about the penetration, I personally don't have issues myself but I also don't go after other heavies, I got free same tier mediums. @rustic gate

@waxen kraken Angry Connor, it's only sold every now and again and drives weird because the chassis is mounted backwards on the hull.

SU-85i is pretty good as well, only real trouble is a lack of armor and a frequently damaged engine, but the DPM and camo are great.

[waxen kraken]

How much does the Angry Connor Cost?

[lyric oriole]

It's generally 9-12 bucks

[waxen kraken]

Oh ok! Thank you!

[solid gate]

Which tank does look good with it? Don't have all the tier 6s but wanna know if there is a tank that i should keep it for(rip english)

[waxen kraken]

Probably a cool looking tank

Like some russian tanks. They look cool and work fine!

[solid gate]

Alright thanks, I'll try it out on t34-85 when i have enough credits for it

[waxen kraken]

Mhm

The T34-85 would prob look with it, so I agree

[tulip sail]

I like it on the e8

[rustic gate]

What is the rarest tank in game?

[median vapor]

I am wondering same

[modest barn]

The AT line sucks against anyone who has half a brain

[wise moth]

@rustic gate I think it might be the Pravda IS-2 rn actually

[modest barn]

I love that tank

[rustic gate]

Wasn't that one available in shop for a while though?

[wise moth]

It was, but since it has only been sold once, and since it was kinda pricey, I’m not sure that many people bought it

[pastel drum]

@wise moth cmon. Fearless should still the rarest. At least for now...

[wise moth]

@pastel drum Yeah, but it was “sold” during the gift shop episode, and since it was a pretty coveted tank, I assume a decent amount of people did buy it

[potent forum]

What is the rarest tank in game?
@rustic gate propably keni otsu

[viral lodge]

Is the Chrysler a fun tank to play or does it just exist?

[lyric oriole]

I think it's fun, it's a medium bully

[viral lodge]

How well does it sidescrape?

[lyric oriole]

Fairly well

[viral lodge]

Im basically looking for fun prems now since I have the AX if I want to play something OP.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen escarp]

Imma grind T 34 2 today-

[junior widget]

3 battles in a row, wtf is this, the bad tanks faults? 🤣 or more the bad games fault?

[gentle wasp]

Play a good tank next time

[rustic gate]

Ooh, that's a fun tank

[gentle wasp]

It’s an awful tank

[solid gate]

But he is pretty decent in it

[gentle wasp]

3 decent games doesn’t mean anything

[solid gate]

True tho

[woven stone]

Just got this tank. Any tips for playing it?

[gentle wasp]

Yolo meds

[lyric oriole]

Tbh I'm not sure how to play it stock after the changes they made though

[woven stone]

It's so slow when it's stock

[fast compass]

Hmmm i already had the saurer engine from the heavy line. You shouldn't be playing tier 9 stock and atleast it already has the top gun

Hide your lowerplate, hide yiur rangefinder, find a slight incline on medium flank and keep wiggling

[wise moth]

Welp, I'm coming to the conclusion that I don't really like the FV301

[solid gate]

My best match

[boreal shell]

@viral lodge i bought Chrysler, sold it a few games after. it gets penned super easily and the gun is pretty crap

[solid gate]

@boreal shell Uh Chrysler K is a side scraper man. Just gotta position it right. The pen though is an issue.

[kind bluff]

@wise moth did u find the fact that sometimes the pen is overkill while the dpm feels kinda lacking?

[broken turtle]

m46 patton seems to be worse than pershing

[wise moth]

@kind bluff Yeah, the pen is nice, and the turret can sometimes troll, but honestly, it's not enough. It's little less accurate than an RU, and with a smidge less DPM, but a lot less alpha. With such alpha, you'd expect more DPM, but nah, and it doesn't snapshot all that well considering the alpha

[lyric oriole]

<@&481447501690568709> basically every channel

[calm drum]

im itching#2242 was banned

[kind bluff]

@wise moth I found myself stuck at like that at first. Just had to get used to it. Sure, its not an RU, but the acceleration and gun dep in the front along with troll turret can help give u some opening shots, and the rest is just relocating and spamming shots

[broken turtle]

m46 patton seems to be worse than pershing, isn't it?

[calm inlet]

not even

it has less armor but a much better gun

unfortunately the pen is kinda trash. at least the Pershing has nice prammo pen

[wise moth]

I've played a few rounds in the M46 recently, and honestly, it's still pretty nice, less powercreeped than I expected

[broken turtle]

how about the mantlet of the m46? When i play pershing i always got pen at the mantlet when uptier (even some tier 7 td or heavies already eaten out that part

[wise moth]

M46 mantlet (on the top turret) will bounce shots, and the turret has all sorts of weird angles than will cause troll ricochets, but you shouldn't rely on the turret to bounce stuff for the most part

The stock turret mantlet will not bounce any shots at all, and is even thinner than the stock turret on the M26

[broken turtle]

so if i go what part should i go first? Turret or gun?

[lyric oriole]

Gun IMO, that 90mm won't cut it at tier 9/10

[wise moth]

Gun first, then tracks, then turret, then engine

[near adder]

Any advice for the t54e1? Just got it, it kind of sucks so far.

[solid gate]

Yes don’t drive it and save up for a bit until you can skip it

[nocturne tiger]

Hey guys, is the Tiger 1 good?

[rapid orchid]

Yes if you use it correctly

I use it like a medium tank bc the speed is good...
Lol

[solid gate]

I got the STA1, it feels like a hugely nerfed ru251, what is its good point or is it just a mediocre tank, it has low DPM, slow, paper
Also whats the point of the 90mm Rifled Gun? you can research it but why not get the 90mm t-61?

[solid gate]

Is Panther 2 good ?

[wise moth]

Not really

[broken sentinel]

It's pretty decent now

[nocturne tiger]

yeah I actually love using the Tiger 1, I even learned to sidescrape with it

[haughty forge]

Panther 2 is powercreeped, I wouldn’t say bad except it is poor mobility

[broken sentinel]

it just received a buff

[wise moth]

It was just a small hull armor buff tho IIRC

[broken sentinel]

Beforehand, tier 7s could practically pen it without issue. Now that's not the case. Hell, quite a few tier 8 meds have to switch to pramo to even pen it.

It's armor is definitely not impervious, but it's definitely usable

Facing it head on, the upper plate is 200-210mm

[next solstice]

Its a solid tank. Nothing broken, nothing particularly bad either. It’s a bully

[solid gate]

Can be used for f2p player? (Panther 2)

Btw I like to kamikaze

And grind E 50 and his brother E 50 M, good to ramming am I right?

[elfin orbit]

Well the ramming is not the main selling point but yeh they ram epically

I hate fighting an enemy e50m

[fervent pewter]

yea e 50 m is great at brawling, and occasionally sidescrape if needed

[solid gate]

Thx guys

[hushed kayak]

Did everyone know when the super conquecor in the game?

[inland osprey]

Just got the WZ-111 1-4, any tips?

[livid yacht]

It has pretty much the same playstyle as the IS-8
Hide your hull if you can and go with the meds

[inland osprey]

Hmm so it's pretty much a med with a bigger gun

[turbid thunder]

vehicles with missiles should be removed from rating battles

in clutch moment they pull the win without problems

[rapid orchid]

Hmm
Change the missiles to rocket
So, there are no guided missile
Just rockets
And rockets act like shell
SABOT ammo

[solid gate]

Do I have made sin to have this on opponent..

[rapid orchid]

What's going on m8

[frank tinsel]

I’m looking for more fun tanks to grind from tier 6-8. They don’t have to be OP, but I want to enjoy the tank and the grind to the tank. What line should I start next?

[narrow rampart]

Do I have made sin to have this on opponent..
@solid gate no that's just MM for you. These players are playing the game too so they are in queue.

I’m looking for more fun tanks to grind from tier 6-8. They don’t have to be OP, but I want to enjoy the tank and the grind to the tank. What line should I start next?
@frank tinsel what lines do you have at the moment?

[frank tinsel]

@narrow rampart I’ve done the tiger II, rhm, ISU, ferdi, and I’m working on the vk100.01 p. If possible I’d like to branch out from Germany more

[solid gate]

I have been watching those Doggers youtube videos and tank reviews. Almost feels he should know better..;-)

[molten sail]

The RU 251 is really fun@frank tinsel

[solid gate]

Eu line is nice and quickly recearched . A bunch of nice tanks. Also the Japanese TD row is very good. German tanks are good too. About US and English lines I dont know witch to go deeper on ( exept the Atgms I went trough during my antipathy against em.

[frank tinsel]

The EU line is a good idea. Especially with the new heavies coming out, it would be good to get a head start

[narrow rampart]

EU line is quite good indeed so that is a nice one. Since you have one German heavy line done, you get a head start in guns and engines on the other one so that might be an option too @frank tinsel

[frank tinsel]

@narrow rampart thanks for the help. Big fan of your channel too 🎉

[quasi mirage]

i mean @wise moth the vickers literally does power creep it :P, only disadvantage is 150 less dpm in exchange for more pen, similar troll armor and way higher top speed and a bit more power to weight

[slate peak]

Just got my first T10, what T10 should I go for next?

[solid gate]

@slate peak IS-4

[tulip sail]

What was your first t10

[slate peak]

Sheridan

[tulip sail]

Go is4 or e100

[solid gate]

OMG this is trash, but ok...
Now get T57 Heavy, start from T49
At next get VK 72.01 or IS-4

[solid gate]

VK 72.01 is so slow to move, slow to reload, also E100 (dublo tank).

[bright yoke]

I want a Dracula

[solid gate]

dracula is SO OP
LITERALLY SPEED
auto track repair
really cool DPM
really cool armor
bouncing

[solid gate]

Remember when yall told me that the super pershing was bad, bout now plus you lied

[gentle wasp]

Wow one good game. It is still a terrible tank.

[solid gate]

One of many

Many games

[gentle wasp]

Sure

[narrow rampart]

Just don't treat it as a medium and that's half the trouble

[gentle wasp]

How are you supposed to play it then?

[narrow rampart]

Imho it ain't terrible but not brilliant either

[glass otter]

This camo would look nice on the 121 if the green wasn't so noticable 🥺

[narrow rampart]

Like a hull down pew pew heavy

[solid gate]

Tru

[gentle wasp]

It doesn’t have the armor or alpha for a heavy tank and the pen sucks

[narrow rampart]

It stinks as bottom tier but so does Chieftain/T95

It has troll armour and let's face it, it is a top tier bully

[solid gate]

Tru

[narrow rampart]

@glass otter it looks good on my T34

[gentle wasp]

Only because most people don’t know how to aim and trust the hit skins

[narrow rampart]

Now I have two big mean Murican machines in my garage

[glass otter]

Old glory looks better than stars and stripes imho

[narrow rampart]

Stars was free, I'm not complaining 😂

[glass otter]

Yeah but the blue colors don't match :/

[solid gate]

That is tru

Also I have to ask why on the blitz memes does it 6hrs just to post something?

[gentle wasp]

To prevent idiots from spamming

[solid gate]

I only spam gud memes

[gentle wasp]

Well a few people ruined it for everyone

[solid gate]

Oh

[keen escarp]

I got T 34 2 today !

[fervent sand]

Nice

[tidal atlas]

I put stars and stripes on my T29 and Old Glory on my T57

[frigid cloud]

E50M or Leopard 1?

[meager sierra]

Anybody know a good t8 tech tree medium??

[solid gate]

Ru?

[crystal hare]

Hey all, remember when I did a vote to see the best tier 8 tech tree med and T-34-2 won?

I’m doing that again but tier 6 this time!

Round one- 160 alpha single shots

Round two- bigger alpha single shots

Round three- clippers

Round four- finalists

Round one- VK 30.01 D, Chi-To, Cromwell, Sherman Firefly, M4A3E8.
Vote for your favorite!

[gentle wasp]

Cromwell

[earnest mantle]

Cromwell

[tidal atlas]

Only one I've used is M4A3E8 so...

[crystal hare]

Ok, Crom wins round 1

[gentle wasp]

Yay

[tidal atlas]

Can't argue with that, I also feel like Easy 8 could use a pen buff

128mm 🤔

[crystal hare]

Round 2 the 200-225 alpha guns

[jagged linden]

Round one- VK 30.01 D, Chi-To, Cromwell, Sherman Firefly, M4A3E8.
Vote for your favorite!
Cromwell

Round 2 the 200-225 alpha guns
T-34-85. MY beast

[tidal atlas]

For me it's a debate from T-34-85 and Vk 30.01 P

[crystal hare]

I like the type 58 but I’m being objective

[tidal atlas]

I think T-34-85

[gentle wasp]

Vk P

[jagged linden]

T-34-85 is a better and a russian Type 58...

[crystal hare]

T-34-85 wins!

[gentle wasp]

:(

[jagged linden]

Yeah boi ! T-34-85 was my first Aced tank

[tidal atlas]

Get outta here with your German garbage >:(

[gentle wasp]

I’ll debate you all day lol

[jagged linden]

Long live the T-34-85 king...

[tidal atlas]

We made 156 T-34-85s by the time you said that @gentle wasp

[jagged linden]

Next debate ?

[crystal hare]

Round three Cromwell v T-34 -85

[gentle wasp]

What happened to the clippers?
Cromwell

[tidal atlas]

T-34-85 (because I've never used Cromwell)

[gentle wasp]

Bias

[crystal hare]

There is no tier 6 medium clippers lol

[jagged linden]

Cromwell has excellent speed, but Offensive stats are worse than T-34-85... I'll take T-34-85, sorry my Crom :'(

[tidal atlas]

I wanna have experience with tanks

[gentle wasp]

@crystal hare lol you are right... I just read it in the description and didn’t think about it

[crystal hare]

I like Cromwell but T-34-85 is type 58 with more pen so..

@jagged linden you’re tie breaker

[jagged linden]

Tie breaker ?

[kind bluff]

34-85

[crystal hare]

The Best Tier 6 Med T-34-85 wins!

[tidal atlas]

How about Tier 6 lights next?

[jagged linden]

YEAH ! Sorry my dear Crom, I still luv you :(

How about... Heavys? (Rank 6)

[crystal hare]

Ok @tidal atlas

Round one Chaffee v VK 28.01

Round 2 AMX 12 t v MT-25

But do you run clipper on T37?

[jagged linden]

Yup

[crystal hare]

Round 1 Chaffee v VK

[gentle wasp]

Vk

[kind bluff]

^

[tidal atlas]

Vk

[jagged linden]

Vk

[crystal hare]

Ok then VK wins lol

Round 2 MT v AMX v T37

[jagged linden]

MT.

[tidal atlas]

T37

[viral lodge]

mt

[crystal hare]

@gentle wasp you got an answer?

[gentle wasp]

Mt (thanks for reminding me)

[crystal hare]

MT wins!
Round 3: VK v MT

[gentle wasp]

Mmm I will have to go Vk

[crystal hare]

Vote peeps

I like both a lot. I can’t say

[tidal atlas]

T37 should've won >:(

[crystal hare]

@jagged linden vote @tidal atlas

[tidal atlas]

Fine Vk I hate the MT

[jagged linden]

MT

[crystal hare]

T37 is meh

VK wins!

[tidal atlas]

No it's my favorite tier 6

[jagged linden]

Nooo :c

Still, Vk and T-37 are good tanks

[tidal atlas]

Vk is okay, MT sucks and 12 t worse

[jagged linden]

I agree... Only AMX 13 and B-C is good

[gentle wasp]

Mt doesn’t suck

[tidal atlas]

Even the T37 autoloader is better than the 12 t

[crystal hare]

MT is very fun and good

AMX 12 t is decent

VK is awesome too

[gentle wasp]

Yes

[hollow belfry]

it is

[gentle wasp]

You just said you’ve never played them

I wanna have experience with tanks
@tidal atlas

[tidal atlas]

I have used the 12 t and Vk

[crystal hare]

I disagree, Vk has a solid front plate and the MT’s autocannon is super fun

[gentle wasp]

Not MT then so you can’t say anything. And the Vk is great. Amazing mobility, reliable gun, above average armor

[tidal atlas]

Fine since you're all ganging up on me I'm leaving

[gentle wasp]

Lol bye

[crystal hare]

I wasn’t being mean, was I?

[gentle wasp]

Not at all. Kid just can’t stand being proven wrong.

[hollow belfry]

well the VK 28.01 is awesome and it’s a fact. People should avoid calling bad/trash tanks they can’t do well in

[crystal hare]

Yeah

[gentle wasp]

Yes or that they hate for no reason. I’m happy to debate if you know your facts.

[crystal hare]

Although I don’t enjoy the vk 30.01 p

[gentle wasp]

Ooh there goes the notification again. Shall we discuss? :)

[ornate cypress]

What is going on here

[crystal hare]

Nah, I’d like to hear your thoughts on the type 58

[hollow belfry]

I like the VK 30.01 P. Pretty good turret, workable gun dep, a punchy gun and very good mobility

[gentle wasp]

I don’t have much of an opinion on it. I guess I could make an argument based on stats, but not many opinions based on playing in or against it. I guess the turret is a bit weaker than 34-85, but that’s about it.

[crystal hare]

Ok, I might buy back the vk p so I can appreciate it more

[gentle wasp]

You should.

[hollow belfry]

I need to get my VK 28.01 and Jagdpanther II back. The former because I suck at playing lights and the latter because I like it

[gentle wasp]

I really enjoyed both. Vk in particular is such a smooth ride, have to get back to playing it a lot

[crystal hare]

LTTB is also a very fun light to improve your skills with lights

[gentle wasp]

Although I feel like it spoils me with the crazy mobility and armor. I didn’t think much of the tank but it is fun.

[crystal hare]

My vk is on my back burner bc I have other tier 6s I have to finish
LTTB armor is trolly sometimes

[gentle wasp]

Yea it is actually stupid. Gives my T-49 fits, and you get all kinds of 640 bounces off the sloped butt

[crystal hare]

ARL 44 is fun too, but the traverse makes me mad

The amx m4 45 looks fun
French heavies are very nice

[hollow belfry]

AMX M4 45 is kind of a worse Tiger I

Sort of a heavium without the top speed and at best mediocre armor

[viral lodge]

AMX 45 sucks, its bad hull, large target, and a decent gun pretty much

[kindred bone]

what are the best equipments for löwe ?

[gentle wasp]

Hated the Arl. I couldn’t handle the weak sides and squishy turret

[ornate cypress]

Does have great pen for tier 6 and is good for tier 7

[solid gate]

its funny fv4005 dont have cheap hesh shells

[viral lodge]

I mean technically it does have HESH but it has low pen.

[solid gate]

technically fv4005 have 183mm

[viral lodge]

It doesnt in game (for blitz)

It has a 123mm in game

[solid gate]

bruh ur explaining the tank i own....

[viral lodge]

when I said technically has HESH the round it has is called HESH.. That is what I was saying

[solid gate]

it should have 105mm pen on HE
somthing different then t57 or amx 50 other then 60 more alpha

[nocturne sage]

Should I get the Jurassic Park 2 (jpanther 2) or the John Cena (Ferdinand)

[solid gate]

get rhm

[gentle wasp]

JP

[nocturne sage]

Ok

[crystal hare]

Jp

[fleet wolf]

How do I play the isu 152 I hav ethe BL10 but I can’t ever get much over 2300 damage and I get around 1800 consistently idk they are just guesses

[tulip sail]

Second line it and try to play passively as well as conserve your hp as best you can

[fleet wolf]

Ok i feel like my best games are ones where I survive in it so that Makes sense lol

Is the 704 strong I’m only 20k xp away

[tulip sail]

I dont have the 704 but I've heard its pretty good

[solid gate]

dont frontline in the 704, its got some troll armor on the sides but your front is ez pen from t9-10

[next solstice]

It's practically the same playstyle as the ISU-152
Difference is that the 704 is a better platform and the gun handling is improved

[fleet wolf]

I just got a total 10k do game with the ISU because of the 3x xp boost and video

[keen escarp]

@fervent sand thanks

[pale crow]

Debate starter

What is the best heavy, med, light, and TD for SPECIFICALLY VI tournaments?

[fervent sand]

oooooo boy, here we go. (My tank would be the KV-1S but that is just for me)

[gentle wasp]

ARL for all of them

[pastel drum]

Banana bread

[keen escarp]

best heavy is freakin T57 Heavy Or Amx 50 B

[gentle wasp]

Not at t6

[low elk]

best heavy isnt t57 or 50B
they are too situational to be best
its more of the mark 6 or the IS4 that are the best

[keen escarp]

i like is4

I am getting it in a few months. I already have the St I

Its fully upgraded for guns and turret but like idc about tracks and engines.

[low elk]

the main problem with 57 or 50b is that they have no armor to be a heavy
they are more gun than heavy

[fervent sand]

I have the IS-4, I enjoy it but i actually like the IS-7 better. We are getting off topic, we are talking about tier VI

[keen escarp]

is4 fire.

[wise moth]

At tier VI, it's ARL 44, Cromwell B, T37 (with the single shooter), and WZ 131g FT @pale crow

[river stag]

Hi

[fleet wolf]

I’m trying to grind to the IS4 as fast as possible because i just wanna commit your a line already I’m sick of being indecisive with different lines. I’m On the KV3 any tips on how to play the tans and grinding quickly in general?

[pastel drum]

Yeah. Use free free xp. And skip all the way to the IS4

[fleet wolf]

I only have 130k free xp lol

[pale crow]

I only had 200k, but then the su 100m1, su101, and tortoise aggravated me into spending 50k total.
So even less now lol

[fleet wolf]

Is the KV4 decent or should I use free o

[pale crow]

Already completely off topic lol.

[fleet wolf]

Sorry

[pale crow]

Np

[pastel drum]

I have 805K free xp... nabs

[pale crow]

Lol, I'm a bit to impatient to not use some here and there

[frigid cloud]

Panther or Vk 30.02 d?

[haughty forge]

Panther

[fervent sand]

@fleet wolf skip the KV-4 if you can, free exp the engines at least. It is very painful at the moment, but is getting a buff soon

[frigid cloud]

for tier 10 though, should I go for leop 1 or the e50 M

[keen escarp]

@fleet wolf sorry man. I am at St I and with upgrades

[haughty forge]

Why rush for is 4 if st1 and is4 have same hull?

[fleet wolf]

Nah ST-I is good too I’d love to play that but I just wanna be ya tier 9 because I I’m close. I’m super close to the 704 they should both lead to good t10s too

[keen escarp]

i think Jg e 100 should get a legendary skin.

man i wish i can help. But i cant :/

[fleet wolf]

Donate free xp lol I wish that existed but some people would just find ways to exploit it I ah e so much free do on my kv1s

[keen escarp]

ooof man.

[alpine notch]

You guys realized that you can play T-150 with KV-3 right?

107mm with stock turret, plus top engine and tracks for mobility (if you had troubles/not good experiences with stock engines and tracks)

After 5.5, you cant buy/research T-150 anymore, its a crazy idea, but you are playing it in tier 7 (instead 6). Might frustrates you if met tier 8 games...

Lol 😂

[minor mica]

Should I go for the jagpanther e100 or wait till the Kranvagn comes out I have about 800k free exp waiting to be bought

[solid gate]

Save that up for something else kranvagn won’t come til way later

[minor mica]

Alr tho what tank should I go for then ?

[solid gate]

The vickers light lines are pretty fun right now Maus and Is4 are really competitive right now aswell

[minor mica]

I have the maus so I might go for the Vickers light

[woeful creek]

What is the play style of the Pershing?

And why I don't commonly see the Patton tank line tanks starting from the T-20

[fast compass]

Second line hulldown support.

Keep wiggling, that will make hitting the weakparts of your turret harder. And don't forget to bring prammo

[zealous anchor]

For me I do Frontline / second as long as there is cover for hulldown then it's godly, as long as you don't let them push the ridge..DPM is good too iirc

[haughty forge]

@minor mica use it on stb 1 line

[woeful creek]

Thanks for the tips

[sharp spindle]

How the hell is the Tiger I played.

I'm more used to playing the Porsche, I only have a few games in the Tiger I.

[wraith drum]

I'm excited for T-44-85 lol

[fervent sand]

Any tips for the M103?

[glass crypt]

tiger is a fat med, sidescrape all day everyday and bully light

[sudden jolt]

Obj 252u op ?

[hollow belfry]

it isn’t.

[fervent pewter]

certainly overpowered a lot of IS series

[fast compass]

252u is really good. But i wouldn't really call it op

[tulip edge]

Any tips for the M103?
@fervent sand Go hulldown whenever you can, use your 8 degrees of gun depression to hide your hull on ridges.

How the hell is the Tiger I played.
@sharp spindle Play it second line or as a medium support tank.
Its armour is pretty much flat, so equal and high tier enemies won’t have much issue hitting you.
Use your heavium mobility and high DPM to support your allies in second line or bully tanks where you can.

[fervent pewter]

it is here boii

wait until new update.

[sterile perch]

Side scrape and angle lol

[wispy trench]

yep

i been ready to get a grille. because next update its a dpm buff.

[keen escarp]

Which is better Wz 121 Or 121B

[dusky stirrup]

Both are good I think. If you use them correctly then both are good.

[hollow belfry]

121 > 121b

[bronze terrace]

Guys what do you think about Löwe?

...

[dusky stirrup]

@bronze terrace Löwe is slow, but a bit armored. And has a great value of penentration. It's turret is a bit rounded which increases the chances of blocking shells. According to me, it is good enough.

[bronze terrace]

Ok, i love Löwe tho, i got 4986 damage, and i kill 3 enemy's

[dusky stirrup]

@bronze terrace congrats!

[bronze terrace]

@dusky stirrup thank you, btw, do you have Löwe?

[dusky stirrup]

Yes.

[bronze terrace]

Nice

[dusky stirrup]

Got it from the containers.

[bronze terrace]

You so lucky, i buy it with my money :]

[dusky stirrup]

I bought SU-100Y with the gold.

[bronze terrace]

The russian box

K, i gtg, bye

[dusky stirrup]

Okay. Bye

[keen escarp]

@bronze terrace lowe it has tiger 2 dmg

[dusky stirrup]

And higher penentration than Tiger II

[hollow moth]

Also much better precision

[hollow belfry]

^ loses less pen over distance aswell I think.

[hollow moth]

Any chance for the Pudel? A tier 6 stock panther, same armor , same stock gun, same speed BUT adapted for a polish crew

And also a unique camouflage

[tulip sail]

Not so sure about it being it's own tank but I wouldn't be surprised if they added it as a special camo like shrieking

[solid gate]

M4 Sherman Pudel

[solid gate]

Waiting the day Wargaming will rework t28 model. Since it's T95 but with only a pair of tracks...

[lyric oriole]

Not really stock Tier 6 panther as much as it is VK 30.02 (M)

[scenic crest]

someone tell me is the Chi-To an actually good tank. and how do u play a medium tank with an okay gun and zero armour.

[viral lodge]

Chi-To isn’t good

[scenic crest]

too late i already got it

[viral lodge]

Japanese meds are one of the worst grinds in the game

[scenic crest]

but how to play it well?

[viral lodge]

peek shoot hide hope you don’t get hit I guess, it’s a bad tank ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic crest]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-do-my-best-ill-try-everything-promise-iswear-13reasons-why-gif-15630745

[viral lodge]

Basically the T7 is odd but decent, the T8 is the definition of mediocre, the T9 is decent, T10 is great

[scenic crest]

ok

[acoustic pollen]

where is everyone gettin the Valentine?!? I just saw 3 in one match...

[snow zodiac]

I always liked the Chi-Ri. It has plenty of flaws, yes, but dumping 480 damage in two seconds is an absolute riot to people who don’t expect it, plus the gun depression means you can actually get shots off. Still maintains respectable DPM, too

The STA-1 is just... not good. The DPM is mediocre, mobility is average, no armor whatsoever, and the gun handling isn’t great. At least the pen is amazing, because that’s the only thing the tank really has

The Type 61 is reasonably mobile, no armor whatsoever, big as a house, but with an absolutely incredible gun. Best DPM on any tier nine med, third best pen on AP in that same group, best HEAT pen, great accuracy, ten degrees of gun depression. It’s basically what the Cent 1 dreams of being. 13 degrees of gun elevation is much more annoying than you would expect, however

The STB is, well, it’s the STB. The tank is an absolute beast, and well worth the slog at the lower tiers and eight

In my opinion, at least

[nocturne tiger]

Was about to lose hope in the KV 2, until I finally penetrated a tank.
made me happy that I finally got to penetrate

[broken sentinel]

The Type 61 just looks like a less flexible M46 Patton to me

[snow zodiac]

I guess it could be summed up that way, but the Patton’t armor isn’t great either

[low rampart]

What do you guys think, adding T28 tier 4 from PC version. It's a good enough tank, fast turret.

[gentle wasp]

@low rampart the Russian tank? It is already in the game.

[viral lodge]

@snow zodiac Thanks for elaborating (I didnt have the time to type one up)

[low rampart]

@gentle wasp On the tech tree I mean, can't get it otherwise.

[gentle wasp]

@low rampart used to be on the tech tree pre-5.5.

[meager sierra]

Any good t8 mediums (tech tree, no premiums)?? Ping me

[low rampart]

@gentle wasp I came too late then, the mouth was closed.

[gentle wasp]

@meager sierra Pantera and Panther II are head and shoulders above everything else

[meager sierra]

Wot about the indien panzer, is the gun a good trade for armor?@gentle wasp

[gentle wasp]

@meager sierra it’s a decent tank but the Panther II is a better alternative

[meager sierra]

ok thx for the tips

[gentle wasp]

Np man

[meager sierra]

anybody else just going to the tier 8 tank of a tree, and then moving on to another tree?

[gentle wasp]

Yes but not on purpose lol just lost motivation to grind

[meager sierra]

nice, me 2

[tulip edge]

I have a habit of stalling on tier 8s because I cant be bothered on them.
kv4
t69
panther II (before buff)
sta 1

[tulip sail]

Personally I just dont enjoy teir 9 &10 so I just dont play them with t8 being my most played rn

[thorn glacier]

The ac4 sentinel is actually p good but nobody talks about it

[acoustic pollen]

ive become disillusioned with british tanks.....is there any redemption?

[gentle wasp]

Nope

[thorn glacier]

wdym redemption

[acoustic pollen]

like any that are good, any redeeming qualities that make them competitive

[thorn glacier]

I mean the fv4202 line does way more damage than people expect them to do so in a Conway with the high mobility you surprise people with like 560 damage and a decent reaload

[wise moth]

British tech tree is the worst one in the game

[verbal frigate]

the progetto 65’s gun was nerfed too hard imo

like honestly it just blooms so hard at the slightest turn and misses shots that can be hit even by russian tanks.

[thorn glacier]

Yeah the prog is mediocre at best now
Waiting for kvagn to make the Euro tree fun again

It's basically a worse AMX 30 B (or whatever that tier 10 french med is)

[wise moth]

Progetto isn't really comparable to 30b

[thorn glacier]

Haven't played either (I abandoned at the Pantera) but they look similar

[wise moth]

30b is massively faster, and has a stronger turret, but Progetto's damage output is far better than 30b. Progetto is more like a 4202, but instead of a trash HESH gun, you get an autoreloader

[acoustic pollen]

British tech tree is the worst one in the game
@wise moth 😭

[thorn glacier]

I think the best tree is Russian like
Name a bad Russian tank

[acoustic pollen]

all i heard was Centurion is the best centurion centurion ...then i get there and its crap

[thorn glacier]

Except the kv4 which is struggling a bit

[acoustic pollen]

yes i have had much more fun with the t34's and the t43 now

[sonic merlin]

Why does the T110E4 and T110E5 get a legendary paint but not T110E3? I fell like you could get some really good ideas out if E3, for example, “T110E3 Moving Fortress”

[tulip edge]

Well, the E3 does get that commanders attachment

[thorn glacier]

T110E3 Fortress actually sounds really good please make that happen

[errant ether]

Hey any tips for the WZ-120 ?

[viral falcon]

Great for urban combat. Look for damage trading, brawling options with other meds, or support heavies actively but carefully. The only thing you need to be aware of is the -2 gun dep, so stay on flat ground if possible, thus urban areas.

[errant ether]

Ok thanks I just had a game where I did 3.6k damage

[viral falcon]

Nice, congrats😁

[errant ether]

One shot from 4k :(

I bounced the side of a 183 like what even 😂

[orchid nymph]

Isn't it -3

[pallid cove]

I I’m so close to da tank after the t49 it’s crazy but I don’t know how to get enough credits

[errant ether]

@pallid cove premiums only play premiums and don't use any provisions

[river garden]

The T34 2G FT front armor sucks when fighting close range

[gentle wasp]

Then don’t fight close range

[river garden]

it stills sucks when hit far away

[gentle wasp]

Play medium range

[river garden]

Im lucky I made a kv 2 non penetrate me

Also any range they always pen me not always but they do

[gentle wasp]

Yea it’s not meant to get hit

[river garden]

Im always attacking up close

[gentle wasp]

Don’t

[viral falcon]

That tank isn't supposed to have armour or be frontline. Change your playstyle, you can't play every single tank the same way.

[river garden]

Well I win battles tho

Especially what happened yesterday it was funny

[solid gate]

WZ113 is so rare tank at game is it anyways good tank?

[low elk]

its not rare at all
its a free tank to get
tech tree
just noone wants it

[solid gate]

That I mean.. so rare people playing it..

[viral falcon]

That's utterly false. One of the best tier 10 heavies. @low elk

[low elk]

i never said it was bad
when did i say it was bad?

[viral falcon]

"no one wants it"?

[noble gust]

But no one plays it

[broken sentinel]

I recently got my 113 along with the 121. I can firmly say that the 113 is one of the more infuriating tanks to drive. Don't get me wrong, it has great DPM, decent armor, and great speed in a straight line. But I can't get past the absolutely terrible traverse speeds it gets. Honestly, just go for the 121 if you don't want to be pulling your hair out wishing you could traverse your hull more than 30° per second

[low elk]

i said that because noone actually wants to grind the entire line
and because people get furstrated with the 20 degrees of traverse

[broken sentinel]

^^^ except the WZ-111 1-4 and WZ-110 are amazing tanks

[wise moth]

Traverse is overrated

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth I got out traversed by an IS-4 lmao

[noble gust]

121 is hard to play? Only hull down but it is hard on some maps

[wise moth]

113 isn’t comfy to play, but it’s still really good

[viral falcon]

More like close brawling or trading.

[broken sentinel]

@noble gust no, it's extremely versatile

[noble gust]

Fast enough and good dmg

[wise moth]

121 I’m having trouble with because I can’t snapshot, so playing aggressive is hard. Can’t quite get the dam thing to 3k.

[broken sentinel]

Just aim like a second longer

[noble gust]

Same here

[wise moth]

I’ve never realized how much I need to be able to snapshot until I started trying to get my 121 to 3k recently

[broken sentinel]

you have the best aim time in the game, it's extremely easy to just wait and aim

[noble gust]

It's good but I don't really know how to play the 121

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel I know, but the fact that I can’t wiggle, can’t quick peek anything, or shoot on the move is seriously costing me

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth are you running Super Charged shells?

[wise moth]

GLD because I think Supercharge is useless

[broken sentinel]

that's where your issue is, your shell velocity goes from 1000 to 1300, which makes the gun so much better

[wise moth]

I don’t really care much about shell velocity

[solid gate]

1000M/S is plenty fast enough

[broken sentinel]

that's why your shells arent hitting

[wise moth]

I’m not hitting because when I try to quick peek a corner, my reticle is the size of the moon lol

[broken sentinel]

you're choosing to buff the aim time when you already have the best in the game, why would you choose a useless buff over something way more useful anyways?

[wise moth]

And then I have to sit and wait for a like a full second or two of I want to hit something.

The way I see it, shell velocity is always useless, but even if I can crank a slightly more accurate shot slightly faster, even if it’s marginal, it’s still beneficial

It’s just that 121 is a very defensive oriented med, and that just doesn’t sit well with how I play my mediums

[broken sentinel]

you're actively choosing to ruin your chances of having a good experience in the tank by ignoring my advice, I can't do anything about that

[wise moth]

Like I said, my problem has nothing to do with my shell velocity. My problem is only down to the fact that I can’t snapshot, and that I have to sit still for a second or two to aim.

And in that case, GLD does help

Even if the aim time is already fast, anything I can do to spend less time aiming helps me

[broken sentinel]

No, your problem is that you're trying to snapshot in a tank that performs best when it's fully aimed. Since it already has the ability to fully aim, you need to enhance the ability of the shell to get there. Here's my loadout

[low elk]

which consumable one ?

[wise moth]

Ew, CS and Supercharge

[low elk]

i would take CS and supercharge over rammer and whatever the other thing is

[broken sentinel]

GLD does nothing for you by bringing down the aimtime by 0.2s and VStab bringing it down by 0.1s.
Refined gun makes your dispersion go down by 0.034
Super Charged shells make your shells much easier to aim

[wise moth]

I use refined gun too

[low elk]

WZ121 has 1 second aimtime
who needs aimtime improvements ?

[broken sentinel]

^^^^

[wise moth]

Because in the .1s extra time I spend aiming without GLD, they get around the corner

[low elk]

boost what you lack
you boost more of what you lack than what you dont lack (accuracy time)
Boost what you have more of (camo and vr wise)
at least on wotpc

[broken sentinel]

1000 shell velocity is not nearly as good as 1300. It very much helps snap shots and the like

[full yarrow]

Super charge can help you a lot in the fact that you will be able to pen your shots long-mid range. Leading your shots will be pointless if you can't pen long range because your shell lost too much pen over the distance

[broken sentinel]

You also have to give less lead, which enables you to be more opportune with people moving behind cover

[wise moth]

I actually miss more with higher shell velocities because my internal leading sense is calibrated to ~1k shell velocity anyway

[broken sentinel]

that's just plain stupid and something you should work on

[full yarrow]

Faster shell speed also = better snapshot ability

[wise moth]

Most tanks have ~1k shell velocity, so I’m not going to retrain my intuition

[broken sentinel]

has hundreds of battles in Batchat
batchat has 1400 m/s shell velocity
"hey guys im more attuned to 1000m/s"

[wise moth]

I also have thousands in the 50b, Maus and IS-7, which have 1k, and ask anyone who plays with me, my shooting in the Bat is awful

[full yarrow]

And yet you average 3k in it right?

[wise moth]

2700 lol

[solid gate]

There are people who also legitimately recommend to run supercharge on it too lol

[broken sentinel]

because you dont need an extra 0.2s aiming time

[wise moth]

And I certainly don’t need 300m/s shell velocity

[low elk]

i just run supercharge on everything
dont need to aim anyways
RNG just guides the shot in

[broken sentinel]

here we can see the majority of tanks having 1000 m/s

[wise moth]

@full yarrow FWIW, I just checked, and 121 loses... 5mm of pen on its AP shells at 500M, so even shooting across the map, supercharge saves you like literally 1mm of pen

[broken sentinel]

thats not the point lmao

[wise moth]

I know, but Swede brought it up

[low elk]

just let things RNG its way in

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel I don’t play many meds actually, except Leo 1 because it’s fun

[low elk]

wait
then what was the argument about if you dont play meds

[wise moth]

I’m playing some meds now though cuz I’m trying to 3k them, and WZ-121 is the one I’m working on now

[full yarrow]

True, but having super charge saves your shots more than you think. Maybe not in losing pen over distance, but in the fact that you can snapshot a lot easier. Or get your shots to hit your targets easier. This may not fully apply to the 121 because you can't really snapshot in it, but it really helps in getting your shots off. Both me and @broken sentinel know this from experience

And we both do pretty well in it

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth I'm just curious why you would choose to actively gain 0.2s aim time for the sake of not having higher shell velocity when you have particularly slow shells and particularly good aim time. It doesn't make sense to me at all.

It's also not hard at all to adjust to higher shell velocities. You literally just aim a little closer to the target. The fact of the matter is that you will have way more opportunities presented to you simply because you dont have to give nearly as much lead. Getting that extra 0.2s aim time will not save you in any situation and certainly makes no difference in the vast vast majority of engagements. I can think of hundreds of scenarios where I can actually make shots hit thanks to the better shell velocity, yet I can think of none where 0.2s of aim time will save you anything.

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel Here’s my reasoning again:

1. 1000m/s shell velocity is not slow, it’s plenty fine for Blitz ranges
2. 1300m/s shell velocity isn’t really that much different from 1000m/s shell velocity at most ranges
3. 0.2s is often the difference between someone getting around a corner, or back into cover, thus being aimed 0.2s earlier is the difference between squeezing out a well aimed shot, and shooting randomly
4. Even when not fully aiming, even for a split second snapshot, an aim circle with GLD will be slightly smaller than one without it, increasing the chances of a hit

[low elk]

cm777 is right though

[full yarrow]

Just try using supercharge. Nothing wrong with trying a battle or two with it

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth you're just plain wrong. 30% more shell velocity is way more than its base value. 0.2s around a corner simply means nothing

Also, aiming time does not equal dispersion. The aiming circle is no smaller if you have gld

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel I know, but look at it this way, aim time is the rate at which the circle shrinks. The circle begins shrinking the instant you stop moving (server reticle at least, client side reticle isn’t actually accurate for large bloom, which is why it seems like the circle doesn’t shrink for a bit). So even if you’re still for just a fraction of a second, since the circle with GLD shrinks faster, it will be smaller when you snap off the shot (assuming you don’t actually fully aim)

[broken sentinel]

again, that means almost nothing. 10% aim time when your aim time is already extremely small means nothing compared to an extra 30% shell velocity that's only semi-decent

Also you should be nearly fully aimed in the 121 anyways

[full yarrow]

You'll be fully aiming in the 121 anyways, it doesn't take a lot of time

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel Also, for the 121, here’s one final argument against supercharge:
Shell Velocity is pretty much only relevant for long range shots, and I’m sure we can agree that taking long range shots in a 121 is a fool’s errand anyway

[broken sentinel]

that's also incorrect, close up engagement are much more comfortable

Also, you're actively ignoring the fact that there will be plenty of engagements where you have to shoot at long range

[full yarrow]

That's completely false. You have no control if you'll be having to fight a close quarters combat fight or a long range fight. And tbf, I'd still take super charge over gld even if I was fighting close quarters, just because of the better shell speed and it's easier to hit shots when cover is super close by

[low elk]

WZ121 cant brawl because it will miss every single shot that you take while moving

[wise moth]

^this is pretty much my core issue with the 121 in the first place.

[full yarrow]

Then try adjusting your playstyle with it. You want to perform better in it right?

[broken sentinel]

No, its the core issue with the driver not fully aiming their shots with their already low aim time

[wise moth]

And no, supercharge is not going to fix that
@full yarrow I know I need to adjust my play style, I just don’t like that I have to do so

[full yarrow]

It will, and that's a you issue, not the tank's

[wise moth]

And fwiw, I’m not missing shots, I am fully aiming them, but I still find it immensely frustrating that I have to do so

[broken sentinel]

That's strictly a you issue, not the tank's. You're actively ignoring advice on how to play the tank well. @wise moth

also, maybe it'd help to have better shell velocity when you fully aim

[full yarrow]

Mind you CM777 is averaging 3k in the 121 because of this. Don't see why you wouldn't run this equipment loadout

[wise moth]

I was running 3.1k recently until today cuz I had a few awful games, and dropped the recents to like 2.9

[full yarrow]

I probably would too if I would play the tank more

[broken sentinel]

I was running 3.3k until I had to start sharing damage with my toon mates, what's your point?

[full yarrow]

😛

[wise moth]

No point, I just felt like I had to defend myself when Swede brought up stats. I usually try to keep stats out of debates

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth look man, just try supercharged shells for like 10 games. Just try and see how it plays instead of theory crafting about 0.2s of aiming time being better for 0.01% of situations you'll be in

[full yarrow]

^^^^ Seriously, try it for 10 or so games

[broken sentinel]

And don't just come back after like one game saying "bUt i CoUlDN't hIt anYtHinG wITh tHE SheLl vElOcITy"

[full yarrow]

Give it 10 games at least ^^^

[broken sentinel]

Take like half a second to figure out how to play the tank. That's how you actively improve on the game and it's how you got to where you are in the first place. Saying "it doesn't fit my playstyle so I'm going to actively ignore any and all advice" is the exact same thing 40%ers do when they get advice from better players. @wise moth

[keen escarp]

I think T 34 2 will be ez grind-

[gentle wasp]

you and positive agree on that 😂

[valid lodge]

What's with the comments disappearing?

[pastel drum]

idk I got two of mine deleted in the ratings channel

[wise moth]

Ok, I played 11 battles with supercharge. Hasn't changed a thing @broken sentinel

[broken sentinel]

Then it's a you problem, EZ

[full yarrow]

Then it's a you problem ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise moth]

I never said it wasn't a me problem. I just said that I hate not being able to snapshot ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Actually, I've already said a few times that it's a me problem.

[onyx venture]

Supercharged does help imo, Not only will the shell hit the tank quicker if the other tank is about to round a corner but it helps keep your penetration up over distances

[full yarrow]

Just curious, do you hate playing the IS-4 like I do? Not in the fact that the tank sucks, it does perfectly fine, as per it is the current meta tank atm, but in the fact that it is really really boring to play @wise moth

[wise moth]

@full yarrow I do. I prefer playing IS-7, but people rip me up and down for that opinion

[broken sentinel]

the meta is boring, that's not too controversial

[full yarrow]

Yeah, I prefer the IS-7 too, much faster paced tank, but it’s pen just makes hard to do well in

[wise moth]

The only tank that gives me issues is just E-100 turrets, but other than that, I don't have any issues with the pen

260 AP is still pretty nice, so I don't need to shoot much gold

[full yarrow]

Yeah, it plays kinda like a Russian 215b

[wise moth]

Sounds like we play it differently then lol
I just YOLO stuff 🤷

[broken sentinel]

heavy players and medium players play differently? Whaaaaat?

[full yarrow]

Lmao

[broken sentinel]

probably why @wise moth doesn't like the Mk6, which plays more like a medium tank

[full yarrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise moth]

I just like tanks that can be aggressive

[pastel drum]

then go play yolowagon xD

[wise moth]

If I can't be aggressive, I find it way harder to have an impact

@pastel drum I also generally hate not having a turret and having a rear mounted gun
Because those things make it harder to be aggressive

[broken sentinel]

If that's how you play the 121, you're sorely playing it incorrectly. It's a damage dealer, it peek-a-booms extremely well.

[wise moth]

I know that 121 is a more defensive medium, but playing defensively and playing a medium give me mental discord

[broken sentinel]

It's not strictly defensive. I'd actually say it's quite an aggressive tank. But it's not something you can just push and win

there's an in-between, not just offense and defense

[full yarrow]

It’s not a defensive or offensive type of tank, it’s in between. You can’t really perform either well enough to say that either one or the other. It can help with pushes with the alpha and speed, and defensive in the same manor

[wise moth]

The large profile and inabiilty to snapshot just make it harder for me to push the tempo. 121 really just seems like the kinda tank where you just sit from a prepared hull down, and then clean up in the end game

[broken sentinel]

I mean yeah, that's pretty much it. But you can also take up early positions to get a good early, aggressive tempo set up

[wise moth]

I mean, that's more or less what I mean when I say "defensive" tank. I just don't really do that. The way I play is just constantly looking for openings to push and put the enemy on the back foot, and 121 just doesn't do that well. Not saying it's bad, just that I find it frustrating to play

[full yarrow]

It’s just not your type of tank. But that doesn’t make other tanks outright better than it

[low elk]

it is fustrating to play
you run around and try to brawl a lone batchat?
you miss your shot point blank because your bloom goes to your entire screen

[wise moth]

I never said that other tanks were outright better, I only said I found it frustrating

[full yarrow]

You’ve said the 113 outclasses it in almost every way. I’ve seen your points in the CRUEL server

[broken sentinel]

@low elk you cant really brawl all too well in the 121.
@wise moth you literally say the 113 is outright better lmao

[wise moth]

Ok, 113 is outright better
Traverse is overrated

[full yarrow]

It’s not tho, LMFAO

[broken sentinel]

it really isnt though lmao

[low elk]

wait ofc a heavy is better than a med theres no argument
but you cant really compare them
thats like trying to compare a tier 1 to a tier 10
just wont work

[wise moth]

Just because it's not comfortable doesn't mean it's bad 🤷

[full yarrow]

121 is definitely not a bad tank

[low elk]

its a game im not playing the game to inflict pain to myself
im not a masochist

[broken sentinel]

113 is definitely not impervious

ie you can get outflanked by anything

[full yarrow]

And the 113 is not outright better than it

[wise moth]

113 can be better than 121, but that doesn't mean 121 is bad

[low elk]

113 is just fast in a straight line
also has an amazing gun (i think basically the same as the 121 gun)
armor is just more than 121 but that traverse is kinda a joke
even the TOG turns faster

[broken sentinel]

the 113 can only be better than the 121 in a handful of scenarios. The 121 is just overall more flexible

[low elk]

CM777 i see we both have those times where our brain stops functioning and types the wrong thing
and yeah
though 113 is fun
but 121 is fustrating

[wise moth]

I beg to differ, 121's only real advantage is the traverse, and that traverse is only useful in a few scenarios
And you're giving up tons of armor, 500 HP, tons of pen, and the ability to snapshot for that traverse

[broken sentinel]

113 is only effective when it has everything in front of it and they cant see your lower plate. Uh oh, all of a sudden you've been flanked by a few meds and now you have to spend 3 decades turning around to face them

[wise moth]

Not getting flanked isn't all that hard
If you're getting flanked, you're in deep crap no matter what tank you're in

[full yarrow]

And by that time the tank you were shooting in front of you has pushed up to shoot you

[low elk]

@broken sentinel 3 decades?
what equipment are you running
it takes me 3 centuries and a half to turn a 90d

[full yarrow]

Lmfao

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth the 121 has:
Better shell velocity
AP instead of APCR
Same pen
Same DPM
Same alpha
Way better traverse
Way better aimtime

@low elk LMAO

[low elk]

my tog is laughing on the side lines looking at the 113

[full yarrow]

Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel 113 HEAT has literally 45mm more pen than 121, although I will cede that due to normalization, the standard pen is roughly the same. Also, even you have to admit that trying to say having 50m/s more shell velocity is pretty much a joke

And while 121 does have way better aim time, it needs that because the fully aimed dispersion and gun handling are horrific.

So really, the only real advantage again, is the traverse. You're still giving up that 45mm HEAT pen, the ability to snapshot, tons of armor, and 500 HP for that luxury

[elder flume]

Guys... How strong can the top-module turret of the ST1 be against tier 10, 9, 8?

[wise moth]

@elder flume It's pretty strong if you keep it facing the enemy, but be aware that tier 9 and 10 gold can pen the cupola if you're not careful. Also, what sirswede sasid

[full yarrow]

A lot better than the stock ones @elder flume

[broken sentinel]

You literally refuted none of what I said. IDK where you can get the idea that the 121's "only advantage" is traverse.

I use CS, meaning the HEAT pen is a non-issue
I use Supercharged shells, meaning I have 350 m/s more shell velocity, which compensates for the "bad gun handling"
Also, that gun handling is not bad, it's very good if you would just stop snapshotting everything
@wise moth

[elder flume]

Is the cupola usually weak or are there tonks with strong cupolas

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel If you use CS, then you can't make the claim that the two tanks have the same DPM, because I use rammer on 113 (and you still have 16 less HEAT pen). And no, supercharge does not compensate for bad gun handling. It's still .28/.28. Moreover, 113 can similarly mount supercharge if you really care that much.

Also I don’t have to refute any claims where you say that they have the same stuff. I only have to examine the claims where you claim 121 has an advantage, and the only one that really holds up is the claim that 121 has more traverse.

[gentle wasp]

Copulas are the weak spots of tanks. Some are stronger than others but overall they have less armor than the rest of the tank @elder flume

[elder flume]

I see

[full yarrow]

It’s not impenetrable, ppl can load gold and pen the cupola, but it can be a hard target to hit and pen @elder flume

[elder flume]

Thanks a lot for the help

[full yarrow]

But it’s not the hardest cupola/weak spot to hit in the world, there are harder ones to hit + pen

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel And one more thing, when comparing tanks, comparing them with different equipment setups makes no sense

Here’s the logic:

1. Both tanks have the option to mount identical equipment setups, thus any advantages gained by mounting different equipment would vanish
2. The only reason to use a different equipment setup would be because a different equipment setup would improve the overall combat effectiveness of a tank.

Thus if you compare using different equipment setups, you’re tacitly admitting that any advantages gained by using that different equipment are overall outweighed by the advantages of the alternative equipment setup for the other tank, otherwise you would just mount the same equipment setup on both

@broken sentinel ^

[broken sentinel]

That's just blatantly false. You equip both tanks to the best of their ability. Equipping both tanks the same ignores the fact that they're different and often leads to bias towards one tank.

[full yarrow]

Which is what you’re pretty much doing @wise moth

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel I know the logic seems strange, but here’s a concrete example:
Let’s say you mount calibrated on the 121, then compare it to 113 mounting calibrated. Both tanks have the same DPM. However, then say you mount Rammer instead on the 113, now the 121 has a pen advantage. HOWEVER, this advantage doesn’t matter, because if the advantage of the higher pen were truly better than the advantage of the better DPM, than the 113 would just mount calibrated. Thus logically, the DPM advantage MUST be at least just as advantageous, or more so

[low elk]

That's just blatantly false. You equip both tanks to the best of their ability. Equipping both tanks the same ignores the fact that they're different and often leads to bias towards one tank.
@broken sentinel couldent have said it better
i would take optics on a tank that has high viewrange to boost it better
take camo net on a tank that has great camo to boost the camo
you dont take camo net on a tank with good viewrange
then you would make both parts mediocre

[wise moth]

@low elk Read my logical proof

[low elk]

instructions unclear
mounted camo net on T49

[wise moth]

Differing equipment setups can only matter logically in 2 cases:

1. Vents vs. Rammer
2. Camo net vs. Optics across classes because in these 2 cases, the tanks being compared CANNOT have the same equipment bonuses

But in all other cases where 2 tanks can receive the same equipment bonuses, then from a logical standpoint, you cannot manufacture advantages with differing setups

[low elk]

hold up
are you telling me ur running rammer on a tier 10 with HEAT?
🤣

[broken sentinel]

Your argument is fundamentally illogical due to the fact that you ignore the basic premise that each tank is different.

[full yarrow]

He is, Cali shells is apparently useless to him @low elk

[low elk]

bruh
its tier 10
just run CS with HEAT
they best buddies

[full yarrow]

Literally

[broken sentinel]

he's of the opinion that you should jUsT AiM

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel My argument relies only on 2 claims

1. The 2 tanks can mount the same equipment
2. The only reason to change equipment setups is because an alternative is overall better on a tank
   @broken sentinel Would you not agree with these claims?

Also, I am relying on the implicit claim that when we compare tanks, we judge them on overall performance

[low elk]

i wont

[wise moth]

As an example of claim 2: Let’s say you run rammer on 113. If you believed that the overall performance of the 113 would decrease if you mounted calibrated, then you would not mount calibrated. You would only mount calibrated if you believe that calibrated increases the overall performance

[low elk]

very poor drawing
but this is what i stand by for most tanks

[wise moth]

@low elk You’re missing the point. I’m not arguing the specific equipment here. I’m arguing that if two tanks can potentially receive the same bonuses from equipment, you cannot use equipment to manufacture advantages in favor of another tank

[full yarrow]

I love it, lmao @low elk

[solid gate]

But when it's a brawling tank and have HEAT? hmmm

[broken sentinel]

2. The only reason to change equipment setups is because an alternative is overall better
   @wise moth what do you think I'm trying to do by comparing tanks at their best? The best case for each side is made, then you can compare. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

[solid gate]

Brawling needs dpm...

[low elk]

brawling also needs you to pen your shots
or its not as much of a brawl as much of a roflstomp

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel You’re a reasonable guy, I know, you do see how this logic works right? I understand you’re equipping what you believe is the best equipment setup for both, but I’m trying to show you mathematically that any advantages manufactured by differing equipment setups MUST logically be outweighed.

Here’s a simplified version:
Let’s say you have 2 equipment choices A and B

Now let’s say tank 1 with A mounted has the same overall performance level as tank 2 also mounting A.

Now let’s say that mounting B gives tank 2 a disadvantage in one stat, but an advantage in another stat. If you TRULY believed that mounting B on tank 2 would cause its overall performance to go down you would not mount equipment B. However, if equipment B DOES indeed increase the overall performance, then that’s when you would mount it. But this means that you are acknowledging that the advantage created by B must outweigh the disadvantage in terms of overall performance. Thus logically tank 2 mounting B must be stronger than tank 2 mounting A. And if that is true, then you know logically in a comparison of overall performance, tank 2 mounting B cannot be weaker thank tank 2 mounting A

Basically:
If 1A = 2A
And 2B > 2A
2B >= 2A = 1A

[full yarrow]

RNG enters the room....

[low elk]

all this theory
it'd be a shame if RNG said no to everything

[solid gate]

RNG is a whole other mess. Also hi.

[full yarrow]

Which is why you equip the tank to have RNG work better in your favor @low elk

[low elk]

actually i dont care what i take
i just shoot and hope it hits
it usually hits and then i can say im uni player

[wise moth]

@full yarrow You’re still missing the point of this aren’t you?

[solid gate]

Swedish Lights!

[low elk]

this conversation started from what,
someone asking if WZ113 is good because its rare to see
to this essay war

[full yarrow]

Not really, blitz isn't a math problem that can be solved with simple math equations, RNG has a major effect on the game which is why you use equipment to help make your tank better suited for its role in regards to RNG

[low elk]

when in doubt
shoot anyways
you dont fire 100% of the shots you dont fire

[full yarrow]

Lol

[wise moth]

I am shoving my palm so far into my face right now with you @full yarrow
The logic here is literally unaffected by RNG

[broken sentinel]

Yes I agree that changing equipment fundamentally changes how we compare each tank. However, it is not outside the realm of possibility to simply ignore the fact that these two examples can pretty much interchange. It is also not outside the realm of reason to identify whether these tanks are fundamentally better respectively considering their equipment changes. You have to understand that each tank has an ideal setup for its equipment, which means you can then compare based off of both ideals.

You can also deal in theory-crafting all you want. That's fine. But in a practical setting, where everything is put into practice, that theory-craft is put to the test and can therein be decided to be viable or not. (in defense of Swede) @wise moth

[solid gate]

Like shooting at M103 while running away. I did that yesterday while playing German Bulldog. Was hoping I could miraculously hit and pen the lower plate somewhere. Didn’t happen.

Still worth a shot in my opinion though.

[low elk]

mate i shoot my SU152 in the start of the game to drop my hitrate and then i see the killfeed where i racked a full hp T343

did the T343 expect to get racked at spawn?
no
did i expect to hit anything but sand?
no
was i aiming?
no
can this be theorized?
no
in practice, this game is not "as the theory says"

[solid gate]

Actually I could show you that Bulldog replay. You can say I made mistakes but one good thing I did do was help KV-4 with Vickers CR. The Vickers kept ignoring me too thankfully. Thought he could kill KV-4 first but got killed by KV-4 thanks to my help.

@low elk Also that is a good point.

[low elk]

a game that is basically 100% RNG on the gunplay part does not need theories to talk about how something would perform
ATGMs are a nice addition to the game (other than the broken parts) because it has perfect RNG, which allows skill to be worth more than luck

[full yarrow]

If this game didn't have RNG it'd be pretty boring/bland

[low elk]

yeah
i find that when i hit a shot that i should not have hit
its fun

[solid gate]

The only luck I believe there truly is in this game is the luck of the draw. Of course we tend to say RNG roles are lucky or unlucky too.

[low elk]

everyone gets the same RNG
the only way for someone to "get better RNG" is if they play different than another

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel I understand what you’re saying, but you’re missing the point of this proof. If I can show that a tank is just as good or better than a tank with the same equipment, then my proof proves that with a different equipment setup, it must be necessarily better

Case 1: Tank 1 = Tank 2 both with equipment A
If 1A = 2A, and 2B >= 2A, then 2B >= 1A
Case 2: Tank 2 is better than tank 1 both using equipment A:
If 1A < 2A, and 2B >= 2A, 2B >= 1A

Because of this logic, if I prove that 113 is better or equal to 121 overall with the same equipment setup, then 113 with a different, more optimal equipment setup must logically be better

[full yarrow]

Here we go with the math analogies...

[low elk]

dude is this a game or a math lesson
if i wanted a math lesson i go to a college or university
not discord

[full yarrow]

Lmfao 🤣

[solid gate]

Well RNG is the same to a degree. Every 122mm generally rolls between 300 and 500. However, 1 122mm tank can end up rolling say a 314 shot while another rolls 417 or something like that. Uneven trade if they are opposing tanks.

[full yarrow]

There is the occasional 500-525 roll too

[solid gate]

525 is very unusual if even possible with standard round on those tanks.

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth mate, this isn't Discrete Mathematics. I get what you're saying from a strictly equational perspective. But what I am saying is that > or < is highly, highly subjective and depends on the driver. That is why you have to use the best equipment for each tank respectively. This fundamentally cannot be displayed nor proven (with ease) using discrete mathematics.

[solid gate]

Of course high rolls are confusing when it comes to that crew skill. I tend to get high rolls that are barely above the average roll when that skill is activated.

[glass otter]

@broken sentinel Hey, do you happen to have any 121 replays, i would like to see what you do in a cqc scenario

[broken sentinel]

@glass otter CQC?

[glass otter]

Close quarters combat

[broken sentinel]

oh ok, I don't really play in close quarters

[tidal atlas]

Is this a vehicles discussion or a “how-the-game-works” channel

[solid gate]

Close quarters Combat often is a brawl the way I see it. Unless you are in a fast tank circling an isolated Heavy it’s a brawl.

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel It’s not discrete. It’s purely logical, I’m only using the math signs to illustrate the logic.

The premise is extremely simple. If a 113 is better than another 121 and both are using the 121’s ideal setup, and that’s suboptimal for 113, than 113 with its ideal setup must also be better, because if it weren’t better, you would use the 121 setup

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth Discrete Mathematics = Logic

also, it is not given that the 113 is better than the 121, your proof is based on subjective conjecture, not proven fact

[solid gate]

Not sure if that is supposed to be the Bufford too or if it is a slightly different tank.

[glass otter]

Looks like a modified MBT70, could be wrong though

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel But what it does prove is that you cannot say an advantage created purely by different equipment setups matters.

For example, if you run calibrated on your 121, you cannot say that the 121 is better overall because it has better pen than the 113 running rammer.

[solid gate]

I think I found it when looking for photos of the M8 Bufford online. But this is for sure the Bufford:

And maybe this:

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth no one is arguing whether the pen on the 121 is better than the 113. We're arguing over the tanks themselves, the combination of all of their attributes, and which one is better. In a subjective sense, the 121 is miles ahead of the 113 for me. It has much more flexibility in terms of speed, traverse, and gun handling. I can give up the mundane armor, terrible traverse, and very mediocre gun handling of the 113 for the sake of far more flexibility.

[wise moth]

@broken sentinel Yes, but you were using equipment differences to manufacture advantages out of thin air during our debate, like saying that Calibrated made up for the bad HEAT pen, and that supercharge meant the 121 had significantly better shell velocity.

All I am doing here is making those arguments go poof.

[low elk]

so ur suggessting that you take a 113 and 121 into a game without equipment?
wow amazing poggers moment

[broken sentinel]

lol

[full yarrow]

They don't go poof though, because blitz isn't a math/logic game, it's very much randomized through RNG, which you aren't taking into consideration at all

[glass otter]

@broken sentinel You run the 121 without the aiming time equipment right?

[broken sentinel]

@glass otter yes, there's no point in running GLD and VStab when you have the best aim time in the game

[wise moth]

@full yarrow Blitz having RNG doesn’t make the basic tenets of logical argument disappear

[solid gate]

@full yarrow They aren’t talking about RNG but equipment though.

[glass otter]

Im gonna give it a try then, might be fun who knows

[broken sentinel]

@wise moth what he means is he's trying to minimize the effect that RNG has on his tank. That's why he (and I) mount certain equipment

[full yarrow]

Yes, but RNG banks on what equipment you run on a tank. You use equipment to minimize or maximize the RNG you get to your advantage

[keen escarp]

@broken sentinel the hell.

[full yarrow]

random person enters the room and wonders what he is seeing ^^^

[broken sentinel]

@keen escarp the hell.

[solid gate]

Well since all tanks get the same types of equipment you could argue that advantages using certain setups are marginal. If the game had different kinds of equipment per tank then we would have a case for tanks having major advantages over others.

[full yarrow]

Right, which is why we don't have that, on the equipment side that is at least. (not including hp provisions and special consumables)

[keen escarp]

@broken sentinel -

[full yarrow]

@keen escarp +

[pallid cove]

What is better the nashorn or the diker max

[solid gate]

Yeah those new consumables were unwanted. Especially since only certain lines have them and it gives them advantages over other lines to a larger degree.

[keen escarp]

Nashorn-!-!-!

[broken sentinel]

@solid gate the thing is that certain tanks can benefit from certain slots more. For example, I'll run rammer on most heavies at tier 10, but meds, who need more pen, benefit from Cali Shells more

[solid gate]

@pallid cove I’d say D Max though I sucked with it.

[keen escarp]

moth the fa cur

[full yarrow]

Diker max (why is the official name of the tank censored ffs, it makes no sense) @pallid cove

[keen escarp]

bro why is no 1 on my sid3

[solid gate]

@broken sentinel Funny that mediums need CS even though the mediums and lights seem to be built to burn things down with rapid fire. So you’d think more dpm would be in order. But that dpm is useless if you keep bouncing.

[broken sentinel]

Nashorn has some good DPM though from what I've seen

[full yarrow]

Yeah, but the chassis sucks balls

[keen escarp]

finally someone said nash..

[broken sentinel]

@solid gate true lol

[keen escarp]

i seen someone with an Emil 1951

[solid gate]

Guess big alpha is the order of the day now. That and penetration.

[broken sentinel]

@keen escarp you mean @full yarrow ? lol

[full yarrow]

Nash sucks, it's souly a sniper, diker max is better in that you're more mobile and have a bigger gun and fantastic gun dep

[pallid cove]

The only thing that made a difference for me is that the diker max actually can bounce a few shots without being HE

[solid gate]

Nashorn is worse than St Emil despite being faster.

[glass otter]

Pretty sure the nashorn is better than the D max

[low elk]

the fat max is extremely strong at its tier
but nashorn has a better gun

[full yarrow]

Glad you made that assumption, your point? Lol @keen escarp

[solid gate]

Eh both are super hard to play but I think D Max is better.

[pallid cove]

Let’s have a vote 🗳 say “8” for diker max and say “7” for nashorn

[full yarrow]

has St Emil permanently enriched 😬 @solid gate

[low elk]

emil is good other than the speed

[solid gate]

@full yarrow If I don’t have it enriched I plan to get it there one day.

[full yarrow]

It's on discount, that's why I did it. And I really like the tank

[solid gate]

Yeah, Emil’s speed sucks. The armor isn’t great either except the gun mantlet maybe.

[keen escarp]

My point is that someone said nash.

@broken sentinel i mean can i HE you?

[solid gate]

But the gun depression and that alpha. Woo boy.

Nashorn is eh. The Toaster was horrible.

[full yarrow]

He didn't say nash, @broken sentinel only said that the nash has really good dpm, not that the tank was better than the d max

[keen escarp]

you pinged him you boi?!

[broken sentinel]

yeah ultimately the DMax is better imo

[keen escarp]

man Fr xk

[full yarrow]

We're good friends, don't worry, lmao @keen escarp

[solid gate]

Dragon I

[full yarrow]

We were literally platooning while arguing with posit1ve inbetween games

[broken sentinel]

lol 👀

[keen escarp]

@full yarrow grrr i am happy xd.. >^°^>

[full yarrow]

happy that we're good friends?

[keen escarp]

^-^ yus-

[solid gate]

Whenever I platoon with anyone I tend to get even worse teammates (as in the other 5) than when I go solo.

[full yarrow]

😁

[broken sentinel]

tooning is literally the only way I can actually enjoy the game
going solo just sucks man

[keen escarp]

When i platoon i lose victories about 32% of the time-

[broken sentinel]

that feel when me and Swede often get 80% wins

[keen escarp]

Wz 121 And Wz 113G FT.

I am grindin for those.. But i am way closer to.Wz 113 cause i started that first since the wz 131 was less xp

[full yarrow]

113G FT can be decent in pubs, 268 is overall better

[broken sentinel]

^^^

[solid gate]

Eh I guess I’m just used to going solo. Though I’d argue the players are worse now than they used to be I used to be worse myself. Because I was new at first then I thought I was better than I was. I was getting better after I re-rolled but I thought I was even better than I was getting to be.

[keen escarp]

no obj is s . it and wz 113 has armor

[full yarrow]

Best tank in the 113G FT line is the tier 8 imo

[keen escarp]

yeah and tier 9 and whats crazy Tier 9 Wz 111G FT can pen maus ez.

[solid gate]

I’d love to have the Stingray in the game.

I’ve only been up to 111-1G FT. That thing sucks in my opinion. So does T-34-2G FT.

[full yarrow]

Just load HEAT and armor goes away. 268 still has the troll factor regardless cause of pike nose front. The only reason I prefer the 113G FT is because I do better in it than in the 268 and I find it more fun. But for tournament purposes, I'd go 268 all day

[keen escarp]

@solid gate same i only been to tier 9 and T 34 2G FT is bad on armor

@full yarrow obj can get ez pen with tier 8 Wz Td line.

[full yarrow]

wdym? You won't be seeing tier 8 wz td with the 268 unless you fail toon

[solid gate]

Well last time I tried to use SU-122-44 which is better than T-34-2G FT I found it tough to play as well. It’s probably the lack of HP and the aim time.

[keen escarp]

The wz at tier 8 actally have front armor

[broken sentinel]

kinda

[keen escarp]

The Su 122 has more armor but t34 has more hit points with less reload.. @full yarrow i mean like pen not in toon ?

[broken sentinel]

???

[full yarrow]

It has troll armor, like what the 268 has at tier 10. But that kind of armor goes away for the most part when you get the tier 9/10

[solid gate]

@keen escarp On the casemate it kinda does but with only 6 degrees of gun depression is it nearly impossible to hide the hull.

[full yarrow]

@full yarrow obj can get ez pen with tier 8 Wz Td line.
@keen escarp You are talking about the obj268 vs 111-1G FT here right? This is what I'm talking about

[keen escarp]

@full yarrow no not 1v1

[full yarrow]

No one ever implied a 1v1, but okay

[keen escarp]

You said vs i said it can pen. How would a 640 avg dmg tank againist a 460 avg dmg win with lower hit points-

[full yarrow]

?

[keen escarp]

¬^¬

wanna friend me on wotb?

[full yarrow]

I have no idea what you're talking about here bud. They both would play pretty much the same way, but with the 460 alpha on the tier 8, you can be a tad more aggressive because of your armor + dpm and chassis, just like with the 268. The alpha doesn't really make an argument here

[keen escarp]

bored as hell. And we can play in like an hour- or toon or training

[full yarrow]

I'm good, I got a tourney to attend to

[keen escarp]

i dont wanna talk about that ¬°^°¬ or do i

[full yarrow]

you said it

i dont wanna talk about that ¬°^°¬ or do i
@keen escarp ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen escarp]

°^° you are doing tournament

[full yarrow]

Yes

[keen escarp]

Oh i thought a attorney.. Oop

[full yarrow]

Lol

[keen escarp]

well imma go now.

Nice Chat

Bye Bye

RobGamer 2020

[full yarrow]

Have a good one 👋

[keen escarp]

°^° hehehe ok bye

[candid arch]

Guys, does the Panzer IV A still have the derp gun

[solid gate]

Maybe

[candid arch]

Hm

[glass otter]

@broken sentinel After 11 battles I can feel a better experience on my 121 with the equipment you've been recommending, the shell velocity change is noticible

[broken sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clap-gif-10184275

[glass otter]

What's the use of enhanced tracks, never understood it

[broken sentinel]

no clue

[low elk]

i use it on lights and some heavies that get their tracks broken easily
so i dont need a repair kit to get track health back to full
its kinda useless

wish the thing gave a repair speed boost of 40% to the tracks
but then that would make drac overpowered

[full yarrow]

Enhanced tracks means when you don't use a repair kit the tracks go from red to normal, not yellow

[broken sentinel]

ah, that's pretty useless

[plucky summit]

I think it's nice

[broken sentinel]

it's only really effective if you dont have any repair kits left and they can't permatrack you

[plucky summit]

Especially if the tank is like a T18 or Drac, with an already mega fast repair speed

[full yarrow]

Those are the only exceptions

[next solstice]

I mean I used to run it on my German superheavies since ik that my tracks are going to eat alot of shots

[plucky summit]

I use it on every tank I have I think, not that I care, because I usually don't buy it, it's all on the cheap tiers

[next solstice]

I definitely need to experiment on the track vs repair kit though since I just switched and i never really notcied the diff

[nocturne tiger]

how do crew even get inside

[broken sentinel]

they don't because nobody should ever play that tank

[nocturne tiger]

is it bad

[broken sentinel]

imo yes, very very bad

other people like it for some reason, but it just blatantly sucks as soon as someone knows where to hit it

[nocturne tiger]

yeah I often see some of this tank in my matches

[full yarrow]

It's only semi relevant in pubs, but even then, ppl just drill ur turret cheeks

Depends on who ur going up against tho really

[tulip sail]

@nocturne tiger the cupolas and front hull

[solid gate]

no they teleport

[glass otter]

The T-54 is a fun tank, why didn't I get it before

[broken sentinel]

@nocturne tiger here's where you can pen it frontally (highlighted in white)

[solid gate]

Once I picked up the T-55 I never really touched the T-54 again

[strange thicket]

@broken sentinel the tank is a great mid-range and long-range fighter

[broken sentinel]

might as well sell the T-54 for credits at that point @solid gate

[solid gate]

Don't need em and I've got the legendary camo on it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[broken sentinel]

yeah true

[solid gate]

So I'll just keep it and play it for the birthdays

A epic free xp booster on a X5 match is always good.

[broken sentinel]

true, plus it'll eventually pay for itself over the course of a few bdays

[solid gate]

Exactly. I don't need credits or garage slots right now so there's no reason to sell it

[minor mica]

Is the chieftain mk 6 worth buying ?

[gray bolt]

Good question silverdaddy

[hollow moth]

@broken sentinel @nocturne tiger bruh I absolutely love M6 EXP

Don't even try to argue about how good the tank is, I'm extremely stubborn

[candid arch]

Yes

[hollow moth]

@minor mica I'd say no, I don't like second line heavies

[broken sentinel]

@hollow moth you average 1400 damage per game in that tank, that's less than the HP of the tank even before it got buffed

[hollow moth]

That's my average damage on most of my tier 8
Comparing to my Löwe for exemple, it's even good

[broken sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[hollow moth]

And also my damage ratio on heavies isn't so big, so I see this as a good average damage

Another datail, sir Christian, 1400 of damage per battle is the average on M6 EXP

[minor mica]

Ima go for it I’ve wanted it is the last time it came out

[viral lodge]

I mean the rule of thumb is at least do your tanks HP in damage.

[broken sentinel]

unless you're in something like a Maus or E100, but still, do your HP in damage if you can

[strange thicket]

@hollow moth that is not how you gonna defend that tank
but i agree it is great
just mid range and long range
however in close quarters it absolutely sucks

[hollow moth]

I don't think so, once you learn the playstyle you'll get used to fight in frontline with it @strange thicket

What if I don't do it but also enjoy the tank? Ha ha ha @broken sentinel

[strange thicket]

I don't think so, once you learn the playstyle you'll get used to fight in frontline with it @strange thicket
@hollow moth yeah except front line is mid range
close quarters as in really close
and it is even worse when it is in a personal 1v1

[broken sentinel]

that means you're ineffective and ignorant to how much of a hinderance to your team you are

I'll reference the quote "ignorance is bliss" @hollow moth

[viral lodge]

EXP is great vs bad players at mid to far range, any decent player is either going to lol pen the cheeks or flank and butter the sides.

[hollow moth]

Ah so I can't enjoy my tank because it's a game with some kids that care too much about stats
Noice @broken sentinel

[strange thicket]

the turret ringe cheeks and hull cheeks are weak spots
they are avoidable if you are playing it mid range and long range by wiggling
and RIP to any tank with mediocre accuracy against you
however once they get really close you are done for
and also it is easily flanked

[viral lodge]

You enjoying the tank =/= good tank

[hollow moth]

I didn't say that it's a good tank, I said that I love the tank @viral lodge
LOL

[viral lodge]

Don't even try to argue about how good the tank is, I'm extremely stubborn
Indicates you think it is good.

[fervent sand]

A good player in an EXP can be really devastating, if they keep you from flanking (i have only really fought against it in a IS-3 where my drunk gunner has some troubles shooting the cheeks)

[strange thicket]

EXP is great vs bad players at mid to far range, any decent player is either going to lol pen the cheeks or flank and butter the sides.
@viral lodge well guess EU is a cluster frick of bad players then lol
it is a frontline tank you are mostly trading with heavies
they cannot just cross the map and flank you
you have 6 people in your teams

[full yarrow]

Here I am averaging 2k in mine and still agree it’s not a great tank

[viral lodge]

EU has a really aggressive playstyle doesn’t it?

[hollow moth]

Ok, And? @full yarrow

[full yarrow]

I do well in it, it’s a bad tank. I’m gonna stick with what @viral lodge said about it being good versus bad players

[viral lodge]

I mean I guess to be fair I play a lot of Tanks with either high pen or great accuracy. Or both.

[strange thicket]

i have 2473 WN8 in it
but that is just how i view the tank

EU has a really aggressive playstyle doesn’t it?
@viral lodge i mean sure
go flank the tank in the start of the battle and get deleted
you will probably get a shot on it before the entire team deletes you

[hollow moth]

But there is no bad tanks, only bad players, with some exceptions like T28 and stock tanks (but stock ones are meant to be bad) @full yarrow

[viral lodge]

That is Suicidal rushing lol, idk what a flank is to you but for me flanking is a lot more careful.

[strange thicket]

i am not saying it is great in close fights but it can be good against good players too
it is not that god awful bad the way you put it lol

[viral lodge]

The no bad tanks only bad players thing is so wrong, why do you think a meta exists

[strange thicket]

That is Suicidal rushing lol, idk what a flank is to you but for me flanking is a lot more careful.
@viral lodge except that
you just picked a situation where flanking is an option
i am just showing situations when it is not just flank it and butter its sides
or lol pen the cheeks with tanks that has either mediocre accuracy or pen at long-med ranges
you need a lazer tank to do that

laughs in Lowe

[viral lodge]

Flanking is rarely not an option, and most heavies have good enough pen.

[full yarrow]

Just because you do good in a tank does not mean it’s not bad. Back before the toaster got turned into a collector, I dominated in it, sure I was OP in it does not mean it’s not a bad tank. It is a bad tank, I just know how to do well in it despite that

[hollow moth]

Welp, Grille is controversial but one guy saying that it's bad won't affect the grille addicted, depends much more from the player than from the tank @full yarrow

Also nice try to intimidate flexing ur stats, would work if I care about it

[viral lodge]

They aren’t flexing, they are backing up their statements

[strange thicket]

Flanking is rarely not an option, and most heavies have good enough pen.
@viral lodge you ignored the accuracy part
i can still wiggle and make it even harder to hit those spots
or peekaboo
flanking is not an option when you are fighting on a side, lets say 3 vs 3 heavies
unless the enemy team meds get obliterated and they manage to flank the enemy heavies
i still don't understand the statement just flank it and butter it when it is clearly not mostly an option

[broken sentinel]

dude's given up on his stats, now tries to make fun of people for being proud of something that took effort and hard work

[full yarrow]

I’m just trying to prove a point in that you can do well in a tank all you want, still doesn’t make it a good tank.

[viral lodge]

EXP isn’t a Horrible tank, never said it was, but it is not good, especially vs decent/good players in decent/good tanks.

[broken sentinel]

it's pretty bad though, like it's extremely easy to outplay

[hollow moth]

@viral lodge it's like say "I'm not saying that I have much better tanks than you, I'm just saying that I've played in more different tanks"

[full yarrow]

Ok, it’s better than the KV-4, I’ll give you that much

[strange thicket]

well it has enough pen to go through most of this
trading is still an option
i dont think it is bad i think it is good but i guess it is up to preference

[viral lodge]

I mean I primarily play meds and TDs, so as such EXP is just a heavy to be wary of the punchy high pen gun to farm damage from.

[hollow moth]

I bet you are the type of guys that hate Ferdinand, T28 HTC and FCM 50T too, ain't I right?

[full yarrow]

Not to mention the EXP has worse dpm than most of the other tier 8 heavies

[viral lodge]

Ferd just exists, FCM is for certain people, and the HTC is an anti noob tank lol

[strange thicket]

i am talking from a heavy verses a heavy perspective
i already acknowledged the fact that it sucks against speedy tanks and in close fights

Not to mention the EXP has worse dpm than most of the other tier 8 heavies
@full yarrow i thought it had the same reload as the t34 or am i mistaking

[hollow moth]

It's some milisecs longer @strange thicket

[viral lodge]

Also I feel the need to say, I don’t hate the EXP, why would I hate a tank im grinding free damage from?

[full yarrow]

No, I really like the FCM and ferdy, T28 HTC, idk, I’ve seen ppl who love it and seen ppl suck in it, I personally don’t have it. They are “bad” tanks that I like to make work, but that does not make them “good.”

[viral lodge]

I mean, I love my Vindicator, but I’ll be the first to say it’s a bad tank lol

[full yarrow]

HTC is the boob tank :p @viral lodge

[hollow moth]

HTC is my fav tier 7 TD

[strange thicket]

I bet you are the type of guys that hate Ferdinand, T28 HTC and FCM 50T too, ain't I right?
@hollow moth Ferdi is just flat as hell
it is anti noob but i prefer jgp2

[viral lodge]

JP2 requires more skill to use but is better overall

[full yarrow]

Yeah, vindicator and predator are complete trash imo, lol. Vindicator less than the predator, but that’s besides the point. @viral lodge

[viral lodge]

Exactly, and I love my Vindi, and it does suck, that is the point I’m making

[hollow moth]

Yeah u right

[full yarrow]

Exactly, and I love my Vindi, and it does suck, that is the point I’m making
@viral lodge 👌🏻👌🏻

[viral lodge]

I mean there are people like ReformedT95Addict or whatever their name is

[hollow moth]

T28 addict would be masochism the same of like to suffer

Seriously, half of the armor can be penetrated by tier 7 tanks, it also have a lot of cupolas, slow turn speed and bad side armor too (also it's turretless)

[hollow moth]

T95 is that doom turtle, right?

15km/h of max speed is so painful, but a super armor

Bouncy even on the sides if you have a low pen tank

[strange thicket]

not really super
easily flanked
cupolas exist
Lower plate can be penetrated
and overall trash against tall tanks because the roof is bad

[gentle wasp]

^^^
The armor is pretty terrible for how big and slow it is

[viral lodge]

62 thousand battles

[strange thicket]

i do not know how did he bear those

[hollow moth]

I have 2k battles on SU-100Y and I think it's too much, this guy have 31 times more than it

[strange thicket]

my most played tank is the EXP
over all 614 battles
bruh

[hollow moth]

Only 614?

[gentle wasp]

I have a couple tanks over a thousand but only 25k overall. I can’t even imagine

[viral lodge]

I mean mine is Conway at 300 ish (I don’t stick with tanks long)

[strange thicket]

Only 614?
@hollow moth yes lol
only 7,154 battles for career
i do not play as much as i learn

[hollow moth]

Bruh my comment was deleted cuz I made a joke about how long TOG is

[viral lodge]

.-.

[hollow moth]

So you play a lot of training rooms @strange thicket, right?

[strange thicket]

So you play a lot of training rooms @strange thicket, right?
@hollow moth no
learning as in watching videos
i play casually however i am not brain dead
i dropped to 55% then brought it back up to 58.76% and still grinding it
i only do 2x every day for every tank
i only really spend a lot of hours on the game when there is an event or i am grinding credits

https://www.blitzstars.com/player/eu/NoobZero_TankMan my stats if you wanna take a look
eh not too good

[short sail]

Is3 needs a buff in the top gun for the pen by maybe 10-20mm

[solid gate]

Tell it to #tank-balance-discussion

[hushed shadow]

It’s got enough pen already. Doesn’t need a pen buff

[wide flame]

hi

[rancid mauve]

What's the ideal gun for Panther II??

the top gun has 203mm pen AP.... similar to the Tiger I and P.. but how does that perform vs. tier 8/9 tanks?? 🤷‍♂️

[haughty forge]

It performs very well

[solid gate]

when will wz120-1 ft come on sale for gold

@rancid mauve on tier 9 almost not bad at all but yeah your sides armor is a paper

So careful when meet TD especially on tier 9

[ember mesa]

When is the BT-7 Arty coming back to store?

[lucid pond]

When will Super Conqueror come does anyone know? Is it this month?

[hushed shadow]

No one knows

[solid gate]

Guys how much is the foch 155 legendary camo ?

[solid gate]

@ember mesa i don't know about that, but in 7.1 it will get HE alpha nerf, effectively ruining for good its best characteristic. It will get AP DPM buff I think also

[ember mesa]

Oof

[pale crow]

@ember mesa

I still have it from when it was given away awhile back. It's not that great.
It also has this strange thing that it's standard he shells pen more than ap.

[ember mesa]

Huh

[solid gate]

no point using AP

[rapid orchid]

Standard shell?

[fleet wolf]

I’m trying to play the mt-25 but rn it’s stock what should I get first? I imagine the gun but idk

[rapid orchid]

Speed is the key in light tank

[haughty forge]

Stock engine on mt 25 does pretty well, get guns

[scenic crest]

Does anyone think that the Chi-To needs a buff???

maybe 4 the armour?