Ok i retract all my previous statements because I literally do not know anything about the CDC.
#vehicles-discussion
solid gate
CDC isn’t even good for troll bounces. You gotta use the mobility and not get shot. Though hard not to get shot in it with the size of the thing.
I've just been watching gameplay of it and it looks sick. I don't own it or know anything about it
Only a pro should be playing CDC.
broken sentinel
so why speak about it if you know nothing about it?
thats just a waste of time for all parties involved
solid gate
Someone who can make any tank work. Which isn’t me despite the fact I miraculously got an Ace in the tank.
so why speak about it if you know nothing about it?
thats just a waste of time for all parties involved
@broken sentinel what a great example for a "christian" man
low elk
CDC is way too hard to play for most of the playerbase
solid gate
That’s why I haven’t played but 2 battles in it. If I kept going I’d just have ruined my stats with it.
broken sentinel
Ok so you're making this about religion now? On a server about WoTB? Congrats, you just made an illogical relation in this conversation @solid gate
solid gate
@broken sentinel k
@broken sentinel Is that Galen Marik (sorry if I spelled his name wrong) pulling a ISD down or something similar?
broken sentinel
@solid gate Yes, from Star Wars the Force Unleashed
solid gate
That game is sick
@broken sentinel Cool. I’ve only played the second game with the Starkiller clone.
lyric copper
what’s going on in here
broken sentinel
no clue, these guys are bringing things off topic
solid gate
@lyric copper Random stuff.
lyric copper
too random it seems
low elk
pretty sure CM777 here is the best player chatting rn
dunno why even bother to argue with someone who is clearly just better
solid gate
I just happened to notice his pfp was probably that scene. Anyway back to vehicles.
broken sentinel
This chat is for vehicle discussion, not star wars or religion
solid gate
It should say Armored vehicle discussion realistically. So people don’t go talking about cars or trucks.
Then again they don’t anyway. And you cannot always keep things on topic sadly to say.
broken sentinel
Considering it's a server based around a tank game, I don't think that distinction need be made.
solid gate
You didn’t let me get my second thought out before posting yours. As I said they don’t anyway because the reason you just said.
So what's y'all opinion on the cybertruck?
lol
Stingray
All I got to say. Hehe. I made a rhyme.
Bars
nocturne sage
Do the t34 and t34 1776 have the same credit coefficient
solid gate
Is the sky purple?
low elk
exact same tank down to the coefficient
nocturne sage
Ok thanks
solid gate
Lol
nocturne sage
Another question: which tank should I get the m6 exp or the t34 1776. For me it’s hard bc it comes down to one tank that has good front armor and the other with a good turret. And which one has the better credit coefficient
orchid nymph
T34
broken sentinel
T34, the EXP isn't very good imo
nocturne sage
Ok thanks
neat nimbus
is a worth get this?
broken sentinel
no lol
solid gate
Nope
Though I once spent an entire game while playing Chi-To taking one down. Was ridiculous.
low elk
T28 HTC is a decent tank
i find it to be good
but its not that good compared to the other tanks on sale
broken sentinel
It's an alright tank, it just sucks as a premium tank. If it was in the tech tree and thereby free to play, it would be a decent machine. But because it costs money, I highly recommend steering clear of it
potent granite
Leopard its overpowered
gentle wasp
Lol
broken sentinel
Which one?
Leopard 1? No, it's simply not.
VK Leopard (tier 5)? No, not really.
gentle wasp
Little Leo sucks now
keen escarp
@potent granite is prob new xd
gentle wasp
Probably let the t5 thing get on his flank in a soft tank and got rekt
keen escarp
Oop lol
solid gate
I just had a battle in VK 28 where I saw one of those. Also I accidentally opened the command deal and hit the negative button while trying to shoot then ram him. Oh and I lost my tracks because of a Chaffee turret I believe. Confused me for a bit so had to watch the replay.
ember arrow
I have e100 and progetto, currently grinding Sheridan and jge100, any good tanks worth grinding?
solid gate
What are the advantages and disadvantages of Japanese tanks?
lyric oriole
Special Premium rounds that are armor piercing, especially the tier 10 which loses almost all of the alpha
Strong frontal armor but compromising side armor
For the TDs
solid gate
but the medium tanks
broken sentinel
@ember arrow I just went down the 113 and 121 lines, both are great tanks with very good tanks preceding them. The only stinker is the IS-2 at tier 7
solid gate
I’d say the T-54 Ltwt does do the job better than T-44 probably does. But I need to get T-44 and play it to be sure myself instead of just taking others words for it. Heck T-54 Ltwt is better than T-34-2 with 100mm is or would be.
The mediums just don’t have the mobility.
broken sentinel
The T-44 is just more flexible in terms of gun handling and gun depression. The T-54 Ltwt sacrifices those for better speed and turret armor
lyric oriole
Good guns for the most part on the Japanese medium tanks
solid gate
Well when you have speed gun depression isn’t necessarily as important. Though combining both is great.
solid gate
T-44 has how much gun depression? 7?
lyric oriole
The tier 6 and 7 both have good guns the Chi-Ri is overall good imo, the Clip reload isn't long for the burst and the premium rounds are AP
broken sentinel
7°, the Ltwt has 5° @solid gate
solid gate
I thought STA-1 was the most painful from what I heard. Though the gun looks good I guess? But the rest of the tank......
@broken sentinel Ah, ok.
lyric oriole
STA is a stealthy med with a great gun
solid gate
but the Japanese tank's front armor isn't good but the accuracy is pretty good, right?
broken sentinel
Kinda, the accuracy is decent. It's not German or British levels of accuracy, but it gets the job done
solid gate
Honestly I can only go off what I’ve heard. I haven’t play STA-1 myself. Chi-Ri has a good gun (mainly because the burst and quick full “clip” reload) but the thing is big and sluggish with useless armor.
lyric oriole
Basically armor on the meds doesn't exist until the tier 10
karmic nymph
From what I can tell the Japanese meds have an ugly grid to the tier 10
lyric oriole
It's really not as bad until you get to the tier 9
broken sentinel
Yeah, they recently buffed the Type 61, but it's still not great considering the recent heavy buffs
solid gate
Tier 9 looks like a weakness with a weakness on top. The cupola is a cherry on top of a ready to be cut cake.
wise moth
@solid gate The weakspot on top doesn't matter much because the entire tank is a weakspot
solid gate
@wise moth Exactly what I was getting at. It’s pointless to have that thing even if it had it irl.
thank you for your answers
sorry, if I interrupted your conversation
Uh I have no idea what you’re talking about anyway Rodan.
at least I say thank you
Mhmm
Comet is better at the moment than I remember last time I played it. Funny how that works.
knotty ice
does vk need a buff... 1.2k dpm bruh
like atleast make the caliber higher like to 120mm
karmic nymph
@knotty ice The vk100 has a 128mm gun wdym
knotty ice
@karmic nymph I said the stock gun and it takes forever to grind for the max gun with the stock one ok?
karmic nymph
I didn’t see, stock guns generally do suck though so that’s like for every tank. Try tier 9 tanks and see how bad they are stock.
Like the st I has 175mm pen with its stock gun, which is pathetic
solid gate
The only exception for that I can think of off the top of my head is the SU-152 line, where the 'derp' guns are generally better.
ember arrow
does rhm need buff? ik the fact that its turreted might be the reason of it being so weak, but its got a longer reload that tier 7 su152 , much longerr than isu and its paper, slow, extremely innacurate and has trash pen compared to SUs
broken sentinel
I guess it could use an engine power buff, but nothing major
solid gate
Can u pls buff the top speed of the Centurion 7/1
broken sentinel
I mean the Centurions in general need a few buffs
Centurion I:
- Top speed from 40kph to 50kph
- Turret armor increased
Centurion 7/1:
- Top speed from 40kph to 50kph
- Reload from 8.25sec to 7.85sec
tranquil trench
some heavies go faster than cents. buff plz
solid gate
Yes
solid gate
@broken sentinel Those sound like good buffs.
Meanwhile I kinda wish they could add the Leone, OF 40s, and maybe Jaguar. Also add the VFM 5.
tidal atlas
The Caernarvon needs a turret armor buff and maybe a slight hull armor buff
nocturne tiger
is KV 2 good
solid gate
And A45 needs 10 degrees of gun depression.
@nocturne tiger KV-2 is just a “fun” tank. You don’t play it for normal purposes. Also you’d be better off with a Smasher at that point. But likelihood of getting a Smasher is super low. KV-2 is now just a poor man’s Smasher.
gentle wasp
^^^ Kv2 is a bad tank just played to one shot things
candid arch
In a good player’s hands, the KV-2 can really be a nuisance despite all its flaws
fast compass
That can be said for almost every tank though
:)
gentle wasp
Beat me to it. Doesn’t mean the kv2 is good at all
solid gate
Yeah. But Smasher is far more annoying and it’s more satisfying when you kill one and stop it in it’s tracks.
@candid arch Also hello Sniper.
candid arch
Sup
solid gate
Jet Fighters
candid arch
Merica
solid gate
Eagles. American Eagles.
candid arch
I wish more tanks had an American eagle attachment
solid gate
I guess it’s not a bad attachment. But what about a camo that looks kinda like an eagle?
gentle wasp
That exists
solid gate
Make the tank kinda look like an Eagle is what I mean.
candid arch
Ooh like a red and blue with white either spotted around or in a pattern and a giant eagle on the sides or on the turret
solid gate
Or could do that. Sounds like a fun camo.
But for realistic camos I have found some nice ones online. They look like mainly Cold War ones and some may even be toward or even in modern times but that doesn’t matter to me. I think they’d go good on any tank in the game. Though I’m sure there are some decent WW 2 ones you could dig up.
teal pumice
Hi mates how is the party going
tulip sail
Looks great
solid gate
Is that an IS-2?
Also if I could draw like that I’d already have my own tank designs up. Sadly I suck at drawing.
tulip sail
Just practice it takes time and effort
keen escarp
Which tank is better the fv201 (A45) Or The Black Prince
solid gate
@keen escarp Black Prince though the FV201 can make better credits since it’s a premium.
@tulip sail Yeah I don’t always have the time and I’m not exactly an effort kind of guy for drawing. Because frustration is a turn off. I don’t want to get frustrated and I do easily if I do attempt hard rather than just doodle.
pallid turret
Is wargaming ever going to buff the m48 Patton, I never see it in battle
tulip sail
@solid gate all it takes is a small sketch a day to increase your skill
tidal atlas
I’m okay at drawing I’m just trash at 3D drawing
keen escarp
@solid gate i agree
solid gate
I like how the vehicles cost like 5 usd and gold tanks cost more to buy and their is no tanks for credits.
rapid orchid
Don't buy the pz. B2
We already have B2
neat nimbus
yeah i wont buy those since i dont have gold or i already have some
teal pumice
Woops
keen escarp
@rapid orchid i got pz b2 lol
rapid orchid
It's same right
keen escarp
Just for collector and it will be a memory and the weakness is the dw2 and basically
Remeber when there was a dw2 and the pz b2
rapid orchid
Ye
neat nimbus
is a worth
slate peak
Is angry connor any good?
gilded vector
Highest credit coefficient in game
wise moth
It's actually a good tank though. Wicked DPM, solid accuracy, and great camo rating, as well as good gun arc
bronze pond
Can wargaming buff the pen HESH shell on centurion 7/1 thanks :)
hasty cedar
Ah yes make it 270
bronze pond
Yes
topaz axle
hey, is E 100 a good heavy tank?
open solstice
It need some practice with angling the turret right but if you learn it,it's very good
I prefer is7 because turret is very important for assault tanks
topaz axle
well the reason why im asking is cuz im using panther and it leads to both panther 2 and tiger 2. And idk how good the heavy tanks are in that line
open solstice
The e100 line is one of the most fun in the game because all the tanks have the best armor,great guns and decent mobility for their weight
topaz axle
ahhh very nice. Well they look promising but im also currently grinding my KV1S. Idk if i made a right choice when it comes to heavies
rapid orchid
@topaz axle me too
open solstice
Those are 2 strongest lines for beginners,just make sure you play is8 as med and rest of the tanks on frontline.
topaz axle
ahhhhhh ok nice
tribal cave
is3 hull armour is a joke tho avoid exposing it when you get there
slow pendant
Is the is4 line better than the is7 line?
strong rock
Can someone please assess the hull error of the sherman firefly?
They're using an M4 Sherman's hull instead of an M4A3E8'S hull
minor hawk
@strong rock the one in the top pic is a later version, the one in game is an early version. this isn't a bug... also the M4A3E8 is just a later model sherman
strong rock
But the British put the 17 pounder gun on the M4A3E8'S hull not the sherman.
The hull brings a big difference in looks and stats between these tanks
minor hawk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly#/media/File:British_Sherman_Firefly_Namur.jpg behold the early sherman firefly
there are different variants of the tank just like there ate different models of a Ford F150 they differ from each-other from model to model but they are sill Ford F150s
@strong rock although the one in game was a less produced model it was still a sherman firefly
tulip sail
@strong rock that's an m4a4 hull not an M4A3E8 the e8 designation only refers to the suspension which is the late HVSS
Here's something to help you identify them
You can also tell it's an m4a4 do to the extended gap between the bogies
While the one we have ingame is the m4a6 composite as you can see from the front cast plate welded to the a rear welded hull
tulip sail
Both the m4a4 and m4a6 are mid to late war but that's ok your still learning
minor hawk
your name isnt a lie...
rapid orchid
You are a M4 expert
peak ferry
What's the best tier 8 heavy?
drowsy knot
depends what kind of heavy ya want
hull down or side scrape?
hull down=caernarvon AX
side scrape=WZ-112 or obj.252U
twilit belfry
Omg is the centurion RAAC good?
solid gate
@strong rock Not E8’s hull but the Sherman V’s hull. The in game Firefly uses the Sherman I Hybrid hull. I don’t know why.
modest delta
out of curious, is IS4 good with improve armor% or HP increase?
solid gate
@tulip sail Too bad there was no official M4A5. Ram tanks don’t count.
@modest delta I’m betting the armor is good enough without the 4% increase. HP can allow you to take one more hit at least depending on the enemies rolls.
modest delta
Yea, I also skeptical about the armor, however, the only reason I take into consideration is that hull down is the best part of Is4 make it even harder for enemy to penetrate with the proper position
solid gate
Wait they’re testing a T-44-85? What about T-44-122? And I mean that second one as a separate tank rather than mounting the gun on the tech tree T-44. Though I heard T-44-122 sucks in PC so.......
hushed shadow
Tog defender?
river garden
It looks like its going to sink in the mud
solid gate
Nah. That was taken from a dude named Salt Monster who posted it on TE Discord.
Turret could use a bit of work but looks interesting none the less.
solid gate
Guys when use the Enhanced Armor or Improved Assembly ? Like T-34 and Pz IV G, which one ?
solid gate
Guys when use the Enhanced Armor or Improved Assembly ? Like T-34 and Pz IV G, which one ?
@solid gate Enhaced armor being only with 4% armor increase is better fitted to vehicles with a lot of armor, as kv1 or t1 heavy, increasing the bounces rate. Enhaced armor on meds and lights with no armor, will not work, because they can be penned by everybody, so, there's be no difference by using it. Improved assembly fits better medium/ no armor tanks cause the hp increase will lead to better survability.
I hope this helps...
Thanks I remember that EA won't prevent something like Three Caliber Rule, it's like 100m after equiping that do like 104mm but still obey the rule
So only HT (and some MT) choose Enhanced Armor, the rest is Improved Assembly
So only HT (and some MT) choose Enhanced Armor, the rest is Improved Assembly
@solid gate Yes. That's the best option.
Ok thanks
Wait it's depend on your playstyle. Like Sherman ex, if I play it hull down, I choose EA, otherwise IA
4% can work on heavily armored tanks but I prefer the HP on any tank.
Hmm
Your opinion i think hmm sometimes it works good, sometimes it doesn't
I don’t think 4% will do much for a Sherman btw. Maybe hull down it can help a bit but once someone pushes you to brawl then that 4% armor increase becomes useless.
Wait it's depend on your playstyle. Like Sherman ex, if I play it hull down, I choose EA, otherwise IA
@solid gate Despite the style, IA is better than EA, because u can't hulldown all time with sherman, for example...
That’s true Barro.
Ok thanks
So my universal equipment is this below:
- Gun Rammer (Calibrated Shells if derp cannon or having lower pen than avg. pen of the tier ).
- Improved Modules (ram tanks) or Defense System (rest).
- Optics (Rest) or Camo Net (TD).
- EGLD (most tanks).
- Improved Assembly.
- Improved Controls (TD or slow hull traverse rate tanks) or Engine Accelerator (rest).
- Vert Stab (rest) or Refined Gun (high dispersion tanks and TD).
- Toolbox.
- Consumable Delivery System.
neat nimbus
Is the ho-ri type tier 8 worth research it?
keen escarp
@neat nimbus eh
The t 44 85 is literally going to get gang up on by t 44, t43 and t 34 85
Like that generation is messed up now.
So like there gonna be three routes cmon now.
neat nimbus
Well guess I grind more for the fv301
keen escarp
Cause there is the T 44 and T54 liwt soo.
lyric oriole
I heard someone talking about enhanced armor and that's not how it works. Enhanced armor more so shifts the RNG it doesn't increase the actual armor value by 4%.
viral lodge
So like there gonna be three routes cmon now.
🤔 Wouldnt T-44-85 just be a premium
solid gate
2 Foods/Drinks + Improved Fuel for my Provision. Is it ok ?
lyric oriole
Generally what I run on most tanks
solid gate
Avg 1k dmg in tier V-VI. Is that good ?
lyric oriole
It's ok, 1k damage at tier 6 is lower than most heavies now, so 1.3k is more ideal
sonic merlin
Yeah I’d say that’s alright
solid gate
@lyric oriole Honestly EA is useless in my opinion. Nobody knows how it truly works except Wargaming in my opinion and I haven’t seen any signs that they’ve explained it. If it is RNG based then it’s really not good to use over IA.
Also about DS vs IM it’d depend on the tank I guess but it’s really hard to decide since they both have good points. One is more for keeping crew alive I think while the other is for modules. Now one could argue DS is better because it reduces the chance of ammo rack exploding. But IM strengthens ammo rack so it’s take more damage to break it much less blow it up. Also IM isn’t so much for ramming tanks unless you have the opportunity to do that but also reduces damage you take from being rammed. DS is only better if you need the crew protected too imo.
tulip sail
@tulip sail Too bad there was no official M4A5. Ram tanks don’t count.
@solid gate
Why wouldn't they count? It's the official us designation for it
keen escarp
ehh..
solid gate
@tulip sail Well I meant for an American design. Rams are Canadian. Also I’m just being ridiculous saying they don’t count but they aren’t an (official) American tank.
tulip sail
I dont get the significance on where or not one is called m4a5
solid gate
Well this is a fake design someone on DA made:
There is no official USA M4A5 though since that designation was given to the Canadian Ram tanks. I’m just saying if there was a USA design that would be another one to add to your list of Shermans. But there’s not an A5.
tulip sail
I mean there are far more than just the six shermans
tribal cave
probably some classified embarrassaments too
solid gate
I get that. The Rams were a major modification or something like that too weren’t they? Or did they build them from ground up?
tulip sail
@tribal cave youd be surprised theres a lot of wacky one off failures that are entirely public they were basically testing everything
tribal cave
im sure there are something even better that never left the paper
tulip sail
They used a lot of m4 parts and pices with a few of their own made parts
And you arw correct if your interested I cant recommend hunnicutt's book enough it's a great read and is full of everything sherman
He also for the most part keeps opinion out
solid gate
T 44 85 is premium?
tidal atlas
No it’s a tech tree tank
tidal atlas
Yeah
solid gate
Lol i see what you mean
brave turtle
yes you can even get a T-90 tank @solid gate
tidal atlas
It’s gonna be cool af
solid gate
Or even the t80u
brave turtle
You can also get The Ratte
solid gate
And the sturmtiger
tidal atlas
Yeah it’s gonna be free and it’s gonna have it’s own matchmaking like the Sturmtiger event in wot pc
solid gate
Yeah 7k dmg in one shot
tidal atlas
It gonna be lit
solid gate
But you have to sell all your tanks to be able to play tho
tidal atlas
Yeah
solid gate
I buy t 43 now ;)
void apex
Congratulations @solid gate
solid gate
Err Ribble said they were 2 premium MTs in the post. The T-44-85 and the Centurion 5/1 RAAC.
woven stone
Isn't it the T-44-85?
hollow moth
For those that don't like T28 HTC, just try to do this and check the results
solid gate
left orchid
Is there a way to predict what tanks will become collector tanks?
solid gate
With ho ri 3
@hollow moth Yeah that’s not as easy to get right in the heat of every battle.
I not use gold shell
Droodles talked about hiding one behind a building and hiding the other with the rest of the tank. You have to get the angling and position just right or it doesn’t work. Also the lower plate is still penetrable with prammo or high pen guns I think.
hollow moth
Every tank have a strategy to be effective, if you can't do this strategy properly so the problems isn't of the tank, It's your proble.
And also, only for tier 8 @solid gate
Most of tier 7 can't pen T28 HTC angling on a corner
solid gate
@hollow moth Sure but I attempted to do it after Droodles showed it. It’s not that easy to get it just right. For me it didn’t work.
Also I tend to get uptiered more often than going only against same tier and definitely don’t see tier 6 with a tier 7 very often.
hollow moth
Bruh guys that think tier 7 armor is useful against tier 8
solid gate
It’s not generally I know but seriously.
hollow moth
Also, don't use prammo is dumb and a noob strategy @solid gate
Those "anti-prammo" guys will never play on RU 251, E25, AMX 13 90, T23E3 copies or whatever tank with low pen
And if they do it, the results are:
-"Don't buy it, the tank is horrible"
-500-800 average damage on tier 8
-Spending more time flanking than making damage
-Crying on the middle of the battle because the "penetration sucks"
solid gate
Everyone
any tips for equipments on fv301? I'm not exactly a pro with it, but i have 60% plus wr on it. But i'm performing bad on it, considering my wn8 and wn7
viral lodge
Those "anti-prammo" guys will never play on RU 251, E25, AMX 13 90, T23E3 copies or whatever tank with low pen
And if they do it, the results are:
-"Don't buy it, the tank is horrible"
-500-800 average damage on tier 8
-Spending more time flanking than making damage
-Crying on the middle of the battle because the "penetration sucks"
I mean the T23E3 does suck tho 🤔
tulip sail
Its certainly not a top teir tank
pastel drum
On all my tanks about 1/5-1/3rd of my ammoload is prammo
solid gate
@hollow moth T23E3 does not have that low of pen for it’s tier. It, however, lacks armor though.
hollow moth
@solid gate bro T23E3 wouldn't even pen a SU-122-44 without the AP normalization angle, 160mm on tier 7 is low
acoustic pollen
i just got the t43 and i swear its worse than the t34-85 i just had.... stats say it should be faster, that the power to weight ratio is 1.6 higher.....but it is way less manueverable and way slower especially uphills......pretty dissapointing, anyone else had experince with this?
hollow moth
Also
"Every tank have a strategy to be effective, if you can't do this strategy properly so the problems isn't of the tank, It's your problem." @viral lodge
@acoustic pollen is your crew on T-43 at 100%? What about the equipements and modules?
acoustic pollen
modules for speed on full, still need improved pen module ....that will help.....the speed equipment upgrade will help too of course....stuff's expensive
viral lodge
Also
"Every tank have a strategy to be effective, if you can't do this strategy properly so the problems isn't of the tank, It's your problem." @viral lodge
@hollow moth I know.. T23E3 still sucks, Comet is better.
tulip edge
t28 would like to have a word with you
viral lodge
Just because a tank is usable doesnt make it good. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow moth
Ok and I can say
"Comet sucks too, Dracula is better" @viral lodge
Only because there is a Better tank don't mean it's a bad one
viral lodge
Comet and Drac are different roles.. and playstyles.. Your point is invalid.
hollow moth
Ok so what about Tiger 2 and Vk-100, post-buff Tiger 2 is better than VK, BUT IT doesn't means VK-100 sucks
viral lodge
Again, different roles
hollow moth
Both are frontline tanks, that's their roles
viral lodge
That is horribly wrong... They both use their armour in different ways and and act better in different environments, and different in guns
hollow moth
But same role, front line
viral lodge
Frontline is a positioning not a role or playstyle.
hollow moth
Blitz hangar says that's a role
/shrug
Meeeh it didn't work
gentle wasp
Lol that blitzhangar section is garbage
viral lodge
Blitzhanger doesnt have a thing for hulldown and the best tanks are hulldown overall ¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
don't trust it yeah
tulip edge
Maus - circle of death - above average
solid gate
🤦🏽♂️
hollow moth
Ikr but it's a role as like scout, sniper, etc @gentle wasp @solid gate
Lol gonna circle other tanks with maus after that @tulip edge
It'll 101% work
gentle wasp
@hollow moth if you are playing those 2 the same then I don’t know what to say to you.
viral lodge
You cannot compare the Tiger II to the VK 100.. T23E3 vs Comet on the otherhand
solid gate
T23E3 v Comet is a good comparison
hollow moth
Ok so what about Type 62 and Drac
viral lodge
Type 62 is better
gentle wasp
^^^
hollow moth
But it doesn't make drac a bad tank
solid gate
Drac is better why wouldn't you want a 40 power:weight ratio
Type is phenomenal
Love that HEAT round.
hollow moth
Type 62 can actually DPM out the drac @solid gate
viral lodge
Drac is still better than most other light tanks in tier 7, T23E3 on the otherhand is kinda sucky and free damage.
gentle wasp
I would rather have competitive (OP) pen thanks
solid gate
dracula looks cooler, but type 62 is probably better overall
viral lodge
Drac = For Fun
Type 62 = For stats/carrying
hollow moth
@viral lodge T23E3 was my second premium and I got it on chests before having 3k battles, I learned how to play on it but my "all times" stats on it kinda suck. It's a question of observe, learn and adapt
viral lodge
You learned to use it, doesnt make it a good tank.
hollow moth
But even a T28 can be effective on the battle field when played properly
Even if it's the worst tank of the game
tulip edge
all this tier 7 medium talk reminds me of the panther m10. I havent seen that tank in so long
viral lodge
Exactly, and T28 sucks like hell, as such you just enforced my point
thorn glacier
Rip people that don't know why going hulldown in their t57 heavy doesn't work
viral falcon
T23E3 is kind of a less risk-less reward comet.
solid gate
comet is still better because of the gun mantlet imo
viral lodge
^^^^ and 2 more depression
viral falcon
True, I just meant the less pen and worse gun bloom.
hollow moth
But Welp, T23E3 have a better credit coefficient
viral lodge
There are other prems, its not something unique to it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow moth
So what about panther M10
viral lodge
Bad lol, poor tank.
wise moth
T23E3 and Comet are both pretty bad 🤷
hollow moth
I didn't expect this
viral lodge
There is a reason barely anyone plays the M10 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip edge
tech tree panther exists which does everything better (and its a good looking tank)
hollow moth
Barely anyone plays SU-122-44 but in my opinion it's a great medium tank hunter tho @viral lodge, it's not so common as like much other tier 7 premiums
Tbh I've seen more Panther M10 than SU-122-44
viral lodge
SU-122-44 is a good tank especially when up tier, and its frequent enough in MM for it to not be rare.
hollow moth
Barely anyone plays KV-220 bt and it's the most OP tank of the tier 5
Check KV-220-BT, please @tulip edge
tulip edge
in the last 90 days, 257 people have played the M10
viral lodge
quite sure KV-220 sucks.
hollow moth
Nope, same KV-1 speed but some parts of the armor reach 200mm @viral lodge
Most of tier 5 don't pen it easily even with prammo
Not only slightly better, it have an extremely high DPM too
viral lodge
So its a slightly better KV-1, still not great, and its rare cause its basically unobtainable. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip edge
Kv 220 has 97 players in the last 2 months.
Mainly because it has only been sold like once outside of the brta and that was somewhere in 2018 if my memory is correct
hollow moth
Yep
viral lodge
It has 200 more dpm btw, not extreme. Also lower alpha
hollow moth
1,5 shots more makes a huge difference, and this alpha is the average alpha of the tier
viral lodge
Either way what the heck is your point, you have been going way off the point of the original conversation.
hollow moth
You said "There is a reason barely anyone plays the M10 ¯_(ツ)_/¯" and I showed one valid argument, number of players don't say if it's good of bad
viral lodge
Are you saying M10 isnt bad?
hollow moth
Don't put words in my mouth, I said that number of players don't say it one tank is good or bad
solid gate
@hollow moth No. T-43 has 144 and so does KV-13. Comet has 148. 160 is not that low at tier 7. Though the bar is set kinda high because of Panther with it’s 198mm of AP pen.
hollow moth
But still low, now bye, I'm talking to others @solid gate
viral lodge
@hollow moth Im clarifying, you seem to be arguing for no reason, as such im trying to specify what the hell you are trying to say.
solid gate
Whatever man. It’s not low but not high. Kinda middle.
And sorry for late reply on that topic. I was playing the game. (And sucking.)
tulip edge
Number of players is a potential indicator to how good a tank is, but not all the time
Panther M10 is a perfect example of this. It performs worse than its tech tree counterpart, especially as the panther was buffed, and even though it is permanently available to buy in the store, no one plays it.
Kv 220 simply has a low number of players because it hasnt been sold in so long, rather than due to the performance of the tank. The Pz IV Hydro is also a similar example to the KV.
hollow moth
Middle for me is 170+ @solid gate
@viral lodge son you seem to be arguing for no reason too, talking that tanks are bad based on your opinion and on other tanks that do better the same role
viral lodge
Dont appreciate being called "son" but whatever, and Martin made a very valid point btw.
solid gate
@hollow moth Um ok. Do the math then if you wish.
hollow moth
@tulip edge T49 is much more played than AMX CDC, but does that means CDC is worse than T49?
Not exactly, both have different roles but one is much less played than others
viral lodge
Well 1 is a premium, so that is important to factor, but CDC is still a pretty popular tank overall.
potent forum
Cdc is expensive premium
tulip edge
That is why I said number of players is not always a performance indicator. Im just saying that the M10 is a perfect example of a bad tank never played
hollow moth
KV-2 can be another exemple, it's played a lot and even overrated, but let's be honest, it's bad
@potent forum @viral lodge Yep, that's why these numbers doesn't fit always
viral lodge
KV-2 does suck, thats a fact.
solid gate
Only the best of the best should be playing CDC. Nuff said.
hollow moth
Bruh, you seriously like a tank that can be DPMed out by every other tank on the tier? @viral lodge
solid gate
@viral lodge Poor man’s Smasher as I said but it was nerfed to the ground.
viral lodge
Bruh, you seriously like a tank that can be DPMed out by every other tank on the tier? @viral lodge
@hollow moth What part of "does suck" says I like it...
hollow moth
Ah sorry, I read it wrong
viral lodge
I never said that the amount of players is a precise and always accurate way of measuring a tanks worth, but it can give you an idea, as the M10 shows very clearly.
solid gate
Anyway I just had a battle I sent to Martin Dogger as I finally got that thing I mentioned when or around the time I sent him my T20 Ace.
hollow moth
Yep but what about overrated tank like KV-2? checking the number of players you can have the idea that it's actually good @viral lodge
tulip edge
kv2 has had 6400 players in the last 2 months
viral lodge
There are exceptions, and fun can be seen as a type of good. (KV-2, 183 and T49)
and no im not saying that because a tank can be fun makes the tank good
hollow moth
Ok so ya want another "exception"? M6 EXP, it's a decent tank but in last 4th July event it was sold/given as like water, and it doesn't mean that it's so good
I honestly think its not only great, it's a very good one
viral lodge
EXP isnt great...
My point was that a low player count tends to indicate 2 things:
1: Bad tank
2: Rare tank
solid gate
Hold on you don’t see many T-34-1s and T-34-2s do you?
hollow moth
Good question
viral lodge
Rare due to kinda painful grind. (Both are good tanks)
solid gate
Well though I’ve Aced Type 58 like 2 or 3 times it wasn’t the greatest run overall. Not the best tank at that tier or in that class by a long shot. T-34-1 is kinda tricky to play. T-34-2 does have the 122mm but I couldn’t say it’s easy to play.
hollow moth
I wouldn't say that a rare tank would have 1966 players during 90 days
As like overrated tanks, there is subestimated tanks, they aren't exactly rare or bad, just subestimated
I can say that for all Chinese tanks, they are very subestimated, as like T23E3 in my opinion too
viral lodge
Na, the chinese tanks are very clear on where they stand, TDs are good till tier 9-10, Meds are good 7-8, 9 is bad, 10 is great, Heavies im less sure on but more mediocre overall till the T10 I think.
viral lodge
Its not that good, especially compared to others at the tier.
keen escarp
Tier 7 is okay its not bad and the tier 8 is better then tier 7 cause the tier 8 can block shots
Like wz 121 against the t62 a
viral lodge
wz 121 and 62A are great tanks
hollow moth
Chinese heavies have more armor and better guns during tier 7-8 in both Russian heavy lines, the tier 9 have an incredible gun for this tier heavies at the tech tree and tier 10 have a giant DPM, bigger alpha, good precision, etc @viral lodge
Chinese heavies are subestimated
keen escarp
The Heavy wz grind is insane
viral lodge
Thought so, I see the med and TDs often enough but not the heavies often.
keen escarp
Who the heck is gonna pay 61.3k for an is 2 when. T 34 2G FT is 48k and T 34 1 is 57.8k
The Tank Destroyer line has the besttttt pen
viral lodge
Credits? or research?
keen escarp
Research
viral lodge
Ah, research doesnt really matter except for the multi route tanks like the Ferdi
keen escarp
why would tier 7 be 61k credits lol
hollow moth
Welp, because this IS-2 is better than The normal IS and IS-2 (1945), that 105mm gun have a decent precision and a huge DPM, good pen with an ultra strong turret too (As like the hull, that is very good tho) @keen escarp
viral lodge
Both the IS and IS-2 are very mediocre tanks that are heaviums as such cant fight heavies well
hollow moth
Actually the Chinese IS-2 can fight well other heavies, I had it and it's a very good one @viral lodge
viral lodge
Its armour doesnt hold up, at all.
keen escarp
I am getting close to the T 34 2 i cant wait! @viral lodge thats true thats why is 2 is bad also it struggles with accuracy
hollow moth
Not exactly, the Chinese IS-2 armor is great @viral lodge
viral lodge
Its not, at all, its very easy to get through, especially frontally.
keen escarp
The turret is kinda slow for the IS 2
Even the regular IS has a faster turret and thats crazy.
hollow moth
Frontaly there is only three weakspots, the troll flat part of the turret, the cupola and a little flat part on the hull @viral lodge
acoustic pollen
do yall spend real money on tanks?
viral lodge
The upper plate is very Very easy to pen.
and yes I spent $.
hollow moth
Nope, I rarely had problems with the upper plate
Angle it well and keep moving, you'll hold shoots even from some TDs
keen escarp
@acoustic pollen like for free xp
viral lodge
Thats the enemies sucking, I have never had a problem penning the UFP
acoustic pollen
i got 99 problems but penetration ain't one, hit me!
viral lodge
Large lower plate, large cupolla, and any tanks with decent/good pen can pen the upper plate.
keen escarp
The med grind is successful when it comes to T 34 1 fully upgraded
ornate cypress
@acoustic pollen Lmfao
solid gate
Delete the swedish tanks
keen escarp
@ornate cypress that pfp eww...
hollow moth
The low plate isn't that large, it's almost 1/3 of the hull and it's not that easy to pen the upper plate @viral lodge
solid gate
And put them in the game when the update is here
viral lodge
"Lower plate isnt that large" Its huge
ornate cypress
@keen escarp How dare you make fun of my pfp
hollow moth
Almost 1/3 of the hull @viral lodge
Just quite bigger than 1/3
viral lodge
That is large, It is a very easy to hit target.
hollow moth
Also, decent guns can pen 200mm at tier 7?
viral lodge
TDs and other higher pen tanks
hollow moth
Bro if you count TDs and Higher tier tanks to talk about heavy tanks armor, so every tier 5-9 armor sucks
hollow moth
Son, it's not angled, actually yeah it's angled but much less than normal
viral lodge
side gets buttered ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow moth
Now you cut the print
Where is the ammo part at the print
hollow moth
Seems legit, not check with other tanks
viral lodge
T29 is one of the better/more used T7 heavies ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Tiger I
Panther I
Lower pen tanks like the comet do have slight problems but decent aim/prammo fixes the problem easilly.
hollow moth
That's the correct and natural angle of the tank
Tanks aren't airplanes to looks from the sky, you are smarter than this
viral lodge
So, easy pen lower plate, easy cupola, and that area left of the turret is easy, and the height is called depression.. T29 is a hulldown tank
hollow moth
Yep, T29 is a hulldown tank, so what?
Also do what I said and no problem to You, angle and keep moving, people will aim and hit other parts because you are moving
viral lodge
So it will have height, either way, my point stands its armour is more to fight lower pen meds, not heavies/TDs which the other heavies can do.
I never have problems penning, it is slightly troll but I take safe shots from good angles. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow moth
Also, what is your problem to think the armors of good heavies stands against TDs
viral lodge
BP for example is the best heavy in T7, T29 is its competition. BP can bounce smasher shots and ISU shots. (Done both often myself)
hollow moth
Pfff hold one or two BL-10 shots is easy at distance, I want to see how much it works if we shot 10 times or maybe at low distance
viral lodge
It was point blank at about 40 meters.
hollow moth
And where did it hit? The turret? Lol
viral lodge
Side of the hull. aka angling
viral lodge
Yes. I did a movement knowing the reload.
They were aiming about here and when I moved it went to the side.
It is a skill based thing, I know the 152 timing approximately and flick both my turret and hull so they hit a worse part.
hollow moth
Ah yes so this troll part can be considered at good but the whole red part of IS-2 isn't good
That's quite hypocritical
gentle wasp
The whole shoulder is green dude how is that viable when the whole red side of the BP is “troll”
viral lodge
My point is ive done it, and its easier vs same tier heavies/TDs. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (Not saying that it is a 100% chance to happen)
Here is the SU-152 for reference
hollow moth
And your point is invalid, you showed a BP armor vs ISU-152 print to say that an armor is good but forget that the IS-2 have even more red parts against other tier 7 tanks
Also SU-152 have low pen
viral lodge
JPanther, it can pen but it is a trickier shot.
BP only has those 2 small bands for frontal weakness which are trolly due to the upper plate.
hollow moth
But it's bigger than IS-2 weakspots, what's your defense Now?
viral lodge
It is quite a lot smaller than the IS-2 weakspots, each band is about 2/3 the side of the IS-2 LFP.
hollow moth
Nope, those 2 parts are bigger than the 2 weakspots on the hull of IS-2
viral lodge
hollow moth
Get your glasses, IS-2 lower plate can the thicker, but BP lower plate is much longer, also the upper plate is much bigge4 than the IS-2 weak spot on the side
viral lodge
Small and a troll red band in the middle.
Wide > Thick/tall when it comes to weakpoints.
hollow moth
IS-2 is a tank about angling, what you've made is like say that Tiger 1 armor sucks because you didnt angle
Also you now you have an opinions like if it was a fact @viral lodge
viral lodge
I speak with conviction based on my own experience and the evidence collected from others opinions.
hollow moth
Collected from the opinion of who, who have you asked about IS-2?
viral lodge
Doesnt change the fact that the side armour of the IS-2 is near useless and it has a large frontal weakness. IS-2 is just something that comes up occasionally. (Nearly everyone dislikes it)
formal turret
Lol who even dislikes is2 because of armor it's because of the gun
hollow moth
Nearly everyone but based on opinion of who @viral lodge
Who have you asked about it
You said nearly everyone, show us who is your everyone
viral lodge
You think I write names down? (and what mad said is very true)
hollow moth
Read what mad said, "Lol who even dislikes is2 because of armor..."
"...IT'S BECAUSE OF THE GUN"
B R U H
viral lodge
I look at heavies for the armour, the TDs for the gun, the lights for speed and camo, and the Meds for their versatility. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ A heavy without good armour is useless to me
formal turret
I mean it is decent enough it's not garbage especially since they buffed it
hollow moth
Mad didn't even said that the armor is bad, the gun is bad @viral lodge
viral lodge
It gets buttered by most decent pen tanks and prammo goes right through it. (aka most heavies)
My point in the beginning was that its a heavium not a heavy.
formal turret
Ur not really a heavy in the first place
hollow moth
Prammo go through even maus, but it doesn't means the armor is bad @viral lodge
formal turret
The only reason why is2 is bad is because of the tragic gun the rest is borderline ok
viral lodge
This is what I said for reference
formal turret
IS is way better wth
viral lodge
IS is better, definitely, wont deny that lol, I take the IS part back
hollow moth
"Doesnt change the fact that the side armour of the IS-2 is near useless and it has a large frontal weakness. IS-2 is just something that comes up occasionally. (Nearly everyone dislikes it) "
This is what you said too for reference
viral lodge
So
Armour useless ✅
People dislike it generally ✅
formal turret
Bruh is2 has 0.435 dispersion you legit have to be lucky to hit ur shots and the issue back then was also that u have 0 armour
viral lodge
Its armour is troll now at best vs any decent pen tanks. even a lot of meds can pen no problem
formal turret
Uh ye they can pen the lower plate only normally
viral lodge
Side, cupola and lower plate. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow moth
And you told me that it's actually a useful armor against ISU-152, but this isn't a useful armor against other tanks
viral lodge
The ISU was an example of a predication that payed off, ive only done it maybe 4-5 times over the 70-80 games I have on the BP
formal turret
Cupola isn't that easy to hit at some distances also depends on the enemies gun uh side dosent seem so weak
hollow moth
Ok and how many battles you have on IS-2 to say that it's bad @viral lodge
viral lodge
Dont have the IS-2, but ive beaten the hell out of the IS-2 enough in many tanks to know its armour doesnt stand up that well. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow moth
Bruh so you are saying that the armor is bad but you didn't even tried
viral lodge
Ive played the IS which is similar.
formal turret
Lul similar not
hollow moth
But IS-2 is different, IS have less angles and 200mm weaker
B R U H
viral lodge
🤔 Actually IS has better side armour so I take that back, IS is better armour wise, just a worse frontal plate.
and your average stats in the IS-2 say a lot as far as the tank. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wise moth
Chinese IS-2 is pretty terrible lol
formal turret
The gun is useless that's why lol
viral lodge
.3 worse dispersion, thats kinda painful
glass otter
Ew IS-2
hollow moth
Ok now check this, who have a better overall now? @viral lodge
Even the cupola is smaller
viral lodge
hollow moth
And you compared this pic of it frontally
Why I can't compare pictures of tanks frontally too?
viral lodge
Why do you think I just literally posted 2 angled pics
wise moth
What is this debate? @hollow moth
hollow moth
Welp you posted that picture to compare with BP too
Was about how useful IS-2, but now is IS-2 vs IS armor @wise moth
viral lodge
Its turned into IS vs IS-2
gentle wasp
My god this has gone on forever XD I am impressed
viral lodge
Im stubborn (and bored) and so are they apparently.
hollow moth
Same
gentle wasp
Sorry to interrupt. Please continue 🍿
viral lodge
lol
I dont even have much left to say, between the gun and the side armour IS-2 isnt that great ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gentle wasp
👀
solid gate
Pravda > IS-2
glass otter
@wise moth what's your overall opinion about the WZ-121
hollow moth
"I look at heavies for the armour, the TDs for the gun, the lights for speed and camo, and the Meds for their versatility. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ A heavy without good armour is useless to me" @viral lodge
viral lodge
Yes, IS > IS-2 by armour. Side armour is important
hollow moth
Side armor is important too, only if you are angling
lyric copper
uh, all armour is important??
wise moth
@glass otter It's probably a decent tank now that the DPM is good, but I despised mine when I played it at the time
viral lodge
Both are heaviums so its like seeing which snail is faster though when it comes to armour. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
I think the IS always had thicker front armor than IS-2 but the problem was that was only on a certain part. Now they buffed it’s front armor to 177 a while back. Uh I don’t think they buffed the side armor but IS always felt like a better side scraper than IS-2 to me.
hollow moth
@solid gate I never played it, but doesn't Pravda have the same armor of 1945?
wise moth
Honestly, for IS vs. IS-2, here's what it really boils down to:
IS and IS-2 have the same turret, which is all that really matters. IS-2 does probably have the slightly better hull, but that's completely irrelevant, because again, they have the same turret, and honestly, the difference isn't that great. but IS-1 has a better gun and more mobility
solid gate
Pravda has same hull shape as IS-2 more or less but 20mm more of frontal armor. Also it goes faster in reverse.
hollow moth
Interesting @solid gate
keen escarp
@ornate cypress heheh
viral lodge
thats fair, ill step down as far as the hull armour arguement.
solid gate
@hollow moth Yep. So I like Pravda better than the IS-2 (Berlin).
hollow moth
Not everyone likes 175mm pen, you got a point
Wait, Pravda have the same pen?
solid gate
Also Pravda camo is just cool. Like the white with the Soviet flag on the sides. Oh and 175mm of pen isn’t great at tier 7. Especially for a heavy.
lyric oriole
175mm of Penetration is plenty in tier 7
solid gate
@hollow moth It does. The traverse is slower I think and it’s supposed to be slower going forward I guess? It really doesn’t feel like it goes slower driving straight forward. Also as I said it goes faster in reverse. Not much but it makes a difference. 12kph on IS-2 vs 14kph on Pravda for reverse speed.
hollow moth
H*** no, I can't work on 175mm pen without a good bunch of prammo at tier 7 @lyric oriole
solid gate
@lyric oriole Eh it would be if you didn’t almost constantly go up against 2-4 tier 8s.
wise moth
175mm is pretty average for a tier 7 heavy though
lyric oriole
Meanwhile in the land of medium tanks with 30mm less penetration...
viral lodge
I mean as far as the IS-2 its pen doesnt matter if it cant hit anything
lyric copper
cries in 175mm standard AP pen at tier 8
nocturne sage
It’s only a problem once u battle against t8 or u have a t8 stock tank
hollow moth
Imagine have 175mm pen on tier 9, yeah that's stock T54
solid gate
Well T29 has 198, Tigers I and P have 203, Russian tier 7 heavies have 175, M4 45 has uh 212 I think. What am I missing? Oh Chinese IS-2 has 175mm in pen. Anything else?
lyric oriole
BP 171
hollow moth
Lemme check my fav tier 7 TD
solid gate
Oof. Yeah BP pen is the worst of the heavies.
lyric copper
St. Emil and SU-101M1: we have no such weakness
nocturne sage
But it does make up for it in its fast reload speed
hollow moth
181mm on T28 HTC
solid gate
Since they buffed the dpm of it I put calibrated on that tank. The pen just sucks so bad.
viral lodge
BP is very accurate with a fast fire rate so it can hit weakspots easier.
solid gate
Make those weak spots wider with calibrated. Heh.
nocturne sage
Should I buy the t34 1776 or should I wait for a t34 discount deal cuz I don’t mind waiting for a discount deal
hollow moth
Also BP is quite OP, I can't deal with it easily in mediums or some heavies @viral lodge
viral lodge
Its the general best T7 tech tree heavy for a reason.
wise moth
BP is obnoxious. It's incredibly frustrating to play with the low alpha and 20km/h speed limit, but really annoying to deal with too
hollow moth
T34 1776 is exactly the same of T34, but with a nice camo @nocturne sage. Wait for a better deal
nocturne sage
Ok thanks
glass otter
I mean the T34 1776 deal is a bargain tho
viral lodge
I mean its a good deal as far as the tank.
hollow moth
Groß will get a buff on 7.1, does anyone else like it?
solid gate
At least BP has that dpm and solid frontal armor in most places now. The FV201 only has the turret armor but lacks the 10 degrees of gun depression. 8 isn’t bad but come on. It’s a Centurion turret and Caernarvon like hull. You cannot tell me it cannot get 10 degrees of gun depression with a 17 pounder which is smaller than the 20 pounder in Caernarvon.
hollow moth
FV201 have too much gun depression from behind the tank, the cannon literraly go through the armor because of this gun depression
solid gate
Uh you sure? I thought that was only with Crom B.
hollow moth
You can try, it's even funny
solid gate
Eh but shooting over the back is a bad idea though. You expose the weakest part of your tank and cannot hull down properly.
hollow moth
It's good for when you are being circled by smol tanks
solid gate
I guess but I guess that needs to be fixed and give it 10 degrees over the sides and front. It’s got only 8 which is awkward.
hollow moth
lyric copper
you ever just destroy your own tank so the enemy can’t get you
hollow moth
The enemy can't get the kill if you kill yourself before
solid gate
I once did that on Port Bay. Drown myself. Also I drown myself on Yamato Harbor while playing Progetto 46. That was on accident but probably for the best as we were losing anyway.
Oh but way back I had an embarrassing thing happen. Got stuck on a rock on Oasis Palms I think it was. 3 enemy tanks had free reign to shoot and kill me. Embarrassing way to die. Stuck and couldn’t shoot back. I was playing KV-1 at the time.
lyric copper
“Tank’s stuck! Tank’s stuck! Please!!! I beg you!”
hollow moth
I thought lose by kills and by points at the same time was humiliating, but this is much worse @solid gate
solid gate
Who here likes the kv 2 as much as me??
hollow moth
KV-2 is pretty bad @solid gate
solid gate
It's fun
hollow moth
It can be DPMed out by every other tier 6, also the 152mm gun is horrible
solid gate
@hollow moth Yeah, it was.
The short gun does so much damage
You know what I haven’t done in a long time? A truly funny ram kill. Miss the old days when I did at least 2 of those.
hollow moth
Much damage for low penetration, worst precision of the tier, less than 3 shots per minute, not a great armor, slow transverse and worse turret transverse @solid gate
Also it's slow as like every other heavy
solid gate
The funniest one was old Middleburg way way back with Hellcat going downhill and ram killing a KV-1. Didn’t even do it intentionally.
hollow moth
@solid gate once won a battle because I rammed a tiger 1 on SU-100Y
That's a nice way to win
solid gate
Yeah. We won too. I had a teammate still left alive. Also this was way back when we had +2/-2 MM.
Oh if I can find it I’d show you a win where an enemy and I killed each other at same time. It was funny.
waxen kraken
When is the T34 Independence gonna go?
broken sentinel
@waxen kraken what do you mean?
waxen kraken
When is it go away from the shop?
broken sentinel
No clue, but it just arrived in the shop so I'd expect it to stay for maybe 2-3 more weeks
rustic gate
Just a question, is the t34 Independence a separate tank than the t34?
solid gate
@rustic gate Yep
rustic gate
Can I own both of them at the same time then? Btw thanks for the answer :)
kind bluff
Yes
solid gate
@rustic gate Yes and you’re welcome.
rustic gate
ooh I wanna buy them alllllll
Last question, is there a legendary camo for the t-2020?
gentle wasp
No
lyric oriole
No
solid gate
Nope
Questions, 1. How do i KV 2 . 2. How do i Tiger P. 3. how in world can i make tons of creds in a battle with any of those tanks
viral lodge
1: You dont
2: hide your lower plate and if you can your cupola
3: do damage without using too much prammo and taking too much damage.
keen escarp
Which tank is better the amx 50 b or the t57 heavy?
viral lodge
50B currently.
rustic gate
Was the t6e1 a tech tree tank once?
tulip sail
No it was a premium
keen escarp
I am getting t6e1
viral lodge
Why tho
raven spade
Is Ariete better than the Progerto 65?
solid gate
Ariete isn’t in the game
woven stone
Isn’t that a modern tank?
raven spade
I'm just asking to compare......cuz I play war thunder
solid gate
For starters ariete exists and is in service progetto is entirely fictional
Should tell you what’s better already
woven stone
A modern tank will for sure be better than the Progetto or any tank in WOT Blitz
solid gate
Ariete is the worst of the NATO tanks
raven spade
OkA, well, should wg introduce the 60Tp as the second heavy line some time after kranvagn?
woven stone
Yeah it’s a cool tier 10. Tho probably not for a while
raven spade
They said about a premium tier 8 53 TP pr.
solid gate
It would need a lot of tweaking since it made e100 obsolete in pc
The T9 50 TP was also gonna be a prem
better than nothing for now
solid gate
Both Is suck lolo
solid gate
Löwe is novadays so slow, so bad armor, so little damage. That it is like waste off money , garage slot, gold, credits , time.
candid arch
But it makes money when used right
neat nimbus
Is a worth get the ho-ri tier 8?
candid arch
The first two vehicles of the line are basically mini Jagdtigers
neat nimbus
well i guess i keeo the light britsh line
rose venture
raven spade
The chi to spg is too slow, it's speed should be increased
tidal atlas
Bruh that thing with the most troll armor in tier 7?
fervent pewter
it is slow for a reason,
tribal cave
its td not a light
weary cypress
Is there a reason why the Panzer Iv G variant has 95mm Of frontal armor?
solid gate
Uh nope, but the Pz IV S is 80mm front weird
solid gate
rapid orchid
With commander hatch
azure plover
any tips on how to play the AMX AC 46? (tier 7 one)
viral falcon
@weary cypress
It was buffed along with all tier 5 meds and lights.
solid gate
@azure plover There are no tips. You just have to suffer through it.
@raven spade It’s not that slow. Also troll armor.
azure plover
aight fair enough, i'll just find some way
knotty charm
hi,slight qn from a tier 7 jagdpanther player here
which tank is better to move onto in the tree,the Jpanther2 or the Ferdinand?
asking cause im not v sure on the T8/9 meta and i wna get smthng that performs better in that category
hollow belfry
@knotty charm Jagdpanther II has better gun stats, better mobility. Although the ferdinand has better raw armor values, it will get buttered by prammo. A jagdpanther II in the right position will bounce a lot more than a Ferdinand. The only real advantages of the ferdinand are thicker armor on the bottom of the hull front and 2 more degrees of gun depression.
knotty charm
ahh icic
i thought that the mobility trade-off wld be worth it because of the extra armor but i wasnt sure about the slopes on the Jpanther2
azure plover
i can confirm, asked the same question a while ago and got the same answer
hollow belfry
The Jagdpanther II either needs to be an aggressive support or get a good hulldown position showing only the top of your tank, which is very tough to penetrate
knotty charm
The Jagdpanther II either needs to be an aggressive support or get a good hulldown position showing only the top of your tank, which is very tough to penetrate
@hollow belfry ahh intresting
will take note when i start playing it one i earn the missing 11k xp and 1.2mil coins
thanks :)
azure plover
jagdpanther grind gang
knotty charm
jagdpanther grind gang
@azure plover thats a vibe
i got to it from the nashorn so i feel ur pain
hollow belfry
no problem. look at the highlited top plate on the right. ideally only show that part of the tank, as the lower parts of the hull are a lot weaker.
knotty charm
no problem. look at the highlited top plate on the right. ideally only show that part of the tank, as the lower parts of the hull are a lot weaker.
@hollow belfry
aight,thanks for the advice,,much appreciated !
hollow belfry
no problem. I need to rebuy mine and finish that Jagdtiger grind. will probably keep it in my garage
knotty charm
ahh
thats nice
ngl im lowk afraid i wnt be able to hide it well cause ive noticed ive been placed on alot of maps w/ low cover,which might leave the glacis open to enemies
azure plover
oh you went with the Nashorn ? i went with the Jg.Pz.IV
knotty charm
oh you went down the Nashorn line? i went with the Jg.Pz.IV
@azure plover
i went down the nashorn,then went back to the stug3 and researched the jpz4
wanted to try it out,ended out loving its 4s reload
hollow belfry
then it can work as an ambusher too. go with your meds, let them distract the enemy before going quickly around a building/ a rock and punching them with your 460 alpha while they are not looking at you @knotty charm
azure plover
yeah every tank on that line, from tier 5-9, are very similar
knotty charm
then it can work as an ambusher too. go with your meds, let them distract the enemy before going quickly around a building/ a rock and punching them with your 460 alpha while they are not looking at you @knotty charm
@hollow belfry
lets hope the stock grind isnt too tough for me
azure plover
then there's big momma Jageru E100
hollow belfry
Save your free exp and credits to equip it before you buy the tank then
knotty charm
yeah every tank on that line, from tier 5-9, are very similar
@azure plover agreeable
then there's big momma Jageru E100
@azure plover
its one chonky boy ngl
Save your free exp and credits to equip it before you buy the tank then
@hollow belfry then i shall grind the panther line meanwhile then HAHA
azure plover
oof, 63k XP for the 460 alpha tho
hollow belfry
I don’t recommend playing it before you get the top gun. It’s a lot less funny
knotty charm
I don’t recommend playing it before you get the top gun. It’s a lot less funny
@hollow belfry
icic
hollow belfry
Panther is pretty good, one of the best meds at it’s tier. Panther II is pretty ok after the armor buff, E50 is good when not stock and E50 M is my favourite tank. Also, you can get the Tiger II ( a very good T8 heavy) by playing the panther
azure plover
why have i only seen that you could do that just now
hollow belfry
so it’s not a bad idea to grind it while saving your free exp for the JP II’s top gun
knotty charm
Panther is pretty good, one of the best meds at it’s tier. Panther II is pretty ok after the armor buff, E50 is good when not stock and E50 M is my favourite tank. Also, you can get the Tiger II ( a very good T8 heavy) by playing the panther
@hollow belfry personally i dont like heavies,,to slow for my taste
but might go back and try it when i have the time
so it’s not a bad idea to grind it while saving your free exp for the JP II’s top gun
@hollow belfry im alr 17k through the VK30.01 with top modules mounted,,and i have smthng like 250+ purple freexp boosters,i jst hope MM dont discourage me much
azure plover
the Tier 7 is a great tank anyways so imma play that while tryna grind for the freexp
hollow belfry
The Tiger II is honestly not that slow for a 72 tons heavy tank. It has pretty good speed when maxed out and has one of the fastest traverse speed for t8 heavies.
knotty charm
icic
hollow belfry
good luck for your grinds, hope for you mm won’t be too bad
knotty charm
thanks!
good luck to you too!
rapid orchid
I use tiger I like a medium tank
Lol
azure plover
that was some good tips ngl, props to you Hipper
solid gate
But a Tiger II struggles to pen a VK 100 face hugging it unless he can hit the cupola.
solemn tundra
It wont always face a VK100
gentle wasp
And it shouldn’t be in that position anyway
viral lodge
^^ and the Cupola isn’t that hard to hit.
tulip edge
If you are facehugging a superheavy in a heavium something is wrong
tribal cave
face hug maus in a 183
swift harness
Sheridan path or M48 Patton path?
kind osprey
Sheridan. Even after the nerf, it’s still competitive
It just take a bit long to go 0 to 60 kph
viral lodge
M48 is not in a good spot currently and the STB just exists.
sharp siren
Wz 120 needs 89 degrees of gun depression no cap
swift harness
I’ve seen a M48 in action in a training room and it doesn’t really feel like a tier 10 tank
sharp siren
I’ve seen a M48 in action in a training room and it doesn’t really feel like a tier 10 tank
@swift harness the turret armor is a joke, maybe not for the 183 since it has 0.4 dispersion
swift harness
The M48 was suppose to be like a main battle tank in real life. I think it needs a buff for the armor
modest herald
What is the best tank to get in the July 4th sale?
lyric oriole
T34 1776, the others are all mediocre.
modest herald
Thanks
keen escarp
@lyric oriole yeah i say so as well
Actually get the t28 htc
300 avg dmg and very good frontal armor
lyric oriole
It has 2 major weakspots on the front and a turret module, it's a liability that doesn't even have very good DPM or penetration
keen escarp
The t28 htc?
lyric oriole
Yes
keen escarp
tier 7 wit 8.2 reload and good front armor
lyric oriole
Two large weakspots. 8.2 seconds in tier 7 for a 105mm with only 181mm of penetration is pretty bad.
tribal cave
those sides get penned everytime someone points their gun at them and they are quite large
acoustic pollen
is anybody loving the T-43? It's not jazzing me up as much as I hoped it would
lyric oriole
T-43 is pretty mediocre, especially post Heavy buff
tribal cave
why would you go for t-43 when there is lttb
keen escarp
@lyric oriole t43 is good
@tribal cave T 43 is better the reload is better
That tank looks so gangsta lol
lyric oriole
LTTB is better Imo, the mobility to use the gun, Light tank camo perk, and more mobility.
Did I mention mobility
tribal cave
the reload difference is under a second it isnt really visible in the gameplay
lyric oriole
T-43 can bounce more frequently really.
tribal cave
from my experience lttb is much more of nuisance to play against
lyric oriole
It doesn't help that while T-43 has decent armor, the angles are all basically flat.
tribal cave
but does it perform better?
wise moth
That “under a second” reload is like 300 DPM bruh
acoustic pollen
i do get a good amount of richochets.....i swear i got more bounces and had more speed in the t34-85 though...
less dmg but yah....
solid nova
T-43 is an awesome tank
never played LTTB, addmittedly
haughty forge
For 300 dpm I will definitely trade amazing mobility , camo, spotting range and of course more bouncy
acoustic pollen
which way are you saying you'd trade? for t43 or for lttb
haughty forge
Lttb
wise moth
@haughty forge Uh, T-43 has better armor than LTTB, and the two tanks have the same view range
acoustic pollen
btw to get the lttb you have to first get the mt 25
haughty forge
If view range is same the mobility makes it better ( it literally has top mobility) and you can circle enemies more often , shot and run, etc etc etc, I meant you can bounce more with LTTB than t43 due to its speed
acoustic pollen
fck i should have prob gone for the lttb then .....maybe i'll circle back round get the mt25 then the lttb
lyric oriole
With the heavy meta durability doesn't mean as much
acoustic pollen
yah but if yer quick you wont get shot that one extra time
haughty forge
Who said you will face them frontally? Zig zagging will make the tank more bouncy ( it can do it faster than t43) I mean LTTB is way better for me due to its mobility
@acoustic pollen mt 25 is annoying tank and I can definitely say it is good but don’t research engines on it ( stock engine is already good)
acoustic pollen
word thanks for the heads up
haughty forge
I personally went through mt 25 with platoon and stock engine
wise moth
@acoustic pollen Don’t listen to him, get the top engine, it does make a substantial difference
acoustic pollen
lol
haughty forge
Why waste so much XP on engine? You can research LTTB instead of researching engine
@wise moth
acoustic pollen
xp comes relatively quickly with all the boosters...it does go up 100 horses
haughty forge
Ehhh still just use that xp for LTTB instead of engine
wise moth
The engines aren’t even that much, it’s only like 20k XP combined IIRC
haughty forge
And it doesn’t really make you fast and that 20k XP is much for tier 6 tank and you have to get gud guns too
lyric oriole
Engines carry over frequently on the USSR Line
haughty forge
Dunno if mt 25 has the same engine as others
acoustic pollen
Engines carry over frequently on the USSR Line
@lyric oriole true, when i got the t-43 it had already had the best engine installed, i guess from the t3485 before it
hushed shadow
I prefer getting the top guns first since I can’t do much being more mobile when I still can’t pen things, unless the stock gun already had decent pen and other stats and the top gun isn’t much better
tulip edge
gun is generally the first thing you go for
kindred bone
i have löwe reliant offer with 30 days premium all equipment included and 25 x5 for 10 bucks, is it worth it?
acoustic pollen
i was able to pen the lowe pretty easily with my t43 from behind and side but thats all the experience ive had with it personally
tulip edge
thats pretty good value for your money @kindred bone
If you do not have a credit making tank, the lowe is really good for that also
viral lodge
^
fervent sand
This is premium and a credit booster. Will I be able to earn more credits in the Löwe?
This is what I usually get per battle in my K-91
viral lodge
yes, although if you already have the K-91 I wouldnt buy it since it makes a little bit more but is more boring.
Rev also makes credits on the same level as Lowe (5% worse credit co but better gun)
@fervent sand
wise moth
@fervent sand Compared to a Löwe with regular account and no boosters yes
viral lodge
Basically are you willing to sacrifice some fun for more credits or is fun and a slower credit game better.
fervent sand
@viral lodge my K-91 is my “fun” tank. I was wondering if the Löwe was better for my credit needs as I am considering buying if it is offered to me for a good price
viral lodge
It is a great deal currently, buying it wouldnt be a bad idea, its a great credit tank but gets a bit dull over time
fervent sand
Okay, thanks
tidal atlas
I love the T43 it's dpm is great
gentle wasp
7/17 among t7 meds is not that great
frank tinsel
The t43 only has 1.7k dpm. That’s not much
acoustic pollen
im growing to like it more.....still would love to try the lttb and compare
gentle wasp
It’s 2.5k with rammer and double food. Dunno how you got 1.7
frank tinsel
That was off the top of my head. I don’t know what I was thinking of, but must have not been the t43
gentle wasp
Ah nvm that is when it is 50% crew. Maybe you looked at it in the tech tree and it showed that?
frank tinsel
What do you guys think about the Chinese tds? They look really good on paper. And yeah, that must have been it
wise moth
Chinese TDs are pretty bad with the sole exception of the tier 6 WZ 131G FT
solid gate
WZ-111-1G FT was a pain to play. T-34-2G FT has some mobility but the armor and aim time. Ugh.
frank tinsel
I’ll get the tier 6 for tourneys then won’t pursue the line. What about the mediums? They look very similar to Russians
gentle wasp
T7, 8, and 10 are very good. Different play style from the Russians because of the alpha
wise moth
They're ok. Tier 7 is good, tier 8 people have mixed opinions on, a lot like me really like it, and a lot really don't. Tier 9 is pretty awful, and the tier 10 is decent
gentle wasp
I think people sleep on the t7. Might be the best med.
wise moth
The tier 7 is generally considered to be really good, it's just that meds on the whole in that tier are completely overshadowed by monstrous tanks like T29
gentle wasp
That’s fair. I really enjoyed it but that was pre-heavy buffs. Forget what the update number is
solid gate
Probably 6.#
gentle wasp
6.10
solid gate
Ah
gusty pollen
Is5 have 0.4 accuracy and 5 degs of dep it has the worst gun in the game
gentle wasp
laughs in Kv2
gusty pollen
I could barely pen mauschen lower plate
strange thicket
what do you mean worst gun in the game
also any is clone barely has any chance against a mauschen
regarding tier 8 ones so that is pretty irrelevant
tank is mobile
use that
gusty pollen
What about the 7.3 sec aim time
kind bluff
if ur facing mauschens front in any soviet tier 8 heavy ur done for
strange thicket
What about the 7.3 sec aim time
@gusty pollen it is literally a brawling tank that fights on close quarters
if you manage to hull down you will pretty much aim before any enemy appears
also go with meds
it is mobile enough to do so
gun handling is not good yes but it is no the worst in the game
gusty pollen
Yeah but if u compare it to most t8 prems it's bad
strange thicket
i mean it is 1500 gold only
kind bluff
its 1.5k gold why are you complaining
strange thicket
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gentle wasp
Yea for the value it is one of the best prems in the game
neat nimbus
any tips for this tank
gentle wasp
Don’t rely on the armor or pen to forgive you for mistakes. Burn down isolated/distracted targets with your DPM
neat nimbus
and for the hori tier 8
gentle wasp
Doesn’t seem good but I guess wiggle a bit to hopefully bait a shot off your angled side or gun mantlet (don’t have the tank or know much about it)
neat nimbus
is a worth to purchase it?
ripe helm
I think they should add the MBT-70 as a american tier 9 premium. Since they already have the Kfpz it would be pretty easy to model the MBT-70.
kind bluff
uh wait thats basically the same thing
ripe helm
Yes but there are differences.
They could give the MBT-70 a 120mm gun instead of the Kfpz's 152
solid gate
Only difference is the engine also no mbt 70 never planned to mount l44
kind bluff
i would say WG wouldn't do that bc thats still mostly the same but then i remember that WG really do be doing things like this so who knows
ripe helm
This is true
wise moth
@ripe helm WG doesn't add smoothbore guns
neat nimbus
so what i first research?
gentle wasp
Gun > engine > tracks
slate peak
Is the Chrysler a new tank?
viral lodge
no
slate peak
Oh ok, I’ve just not seen it before
low elk
freexp the gun then grind the tracks
engine can wait last since the stock engine holds up pretty well
frigid whale
why i cant buy this ^^ ?
low elk
its locked right now
WG disabled the camoflaueg
neat nimbus
i think the hori tier 8 can wait
restive ravine
Wtf I just bought kv 1 he is big suuck wtf it's horrible
viral lodge
lol
strange thicket
Wtf I just bought kv 1 he is big suuck wtf it's horrible
@restive ravine judging a tank when it is stock is not smart at all
viral lodge
They mean the HE gun I think
thorn glacier
Oh God ho ri t2 stock makes me cry
keen escarp
@gusty pollen wus up my dudde
orchid nymph
Chrysler K or Amx m4 49
keen escarp
Chrysler.
orchid nymph
Dk you need to pay gold for the liberte camo?
keen escarp
Its has better armor and does more dmg.
Well when you get the tanks im pretty you will have it already or you do have to buy it cause i got it last year July 4th Last year there was a bundle for T34 (1776) and T28 HTC Independence
orchid nymph
The camo is for the amx. It says that it's a rare camp
solid gate
What’s that one short German tank also known as the waffle?
keen escarp
you mean fcm then and i am pretty sure its korean
orchid nymph
No
keen escarp
oh i have fv201 i got it last month
thorn glacier
It's literally a french flag ffs
kind bluff
man literally said its korean on a french tank
he's smoking baguettes
solid gate
@solid gate i think its the Waffenträger auf Panzer IV, tier 9
solid gate
@solid gate i think its the Waffenträger auf Panzer IV, tier 9
@solid gate
Thank you but I actually meant the E25
strange thicket
e25 is called the roach
just because censoring smh
solid gate
Yea.. but waffle can kill roach with 1 HE shot 😄 (tested)
quartz marlin
can you buy the emil 1951?
solid gate
No They are testing
strange thicket
you can
the button is literally in front of you
you can also see other tanks in testing in his tank list @quartz marlin
quartz marlin
i didnt know that
solid gate
@strange thicket Wait what’s censored?
strange thicket
@solid gate e25's full name lmao
also the Dmax name
yeah you get the idea
solid gate
@strange thicket I knew D Max but E25? Unless you mean the full nickname. Which has a word in it you cannot say as it’s censored. You cannot say that word with Y on the end either. Deletes the comment automatically.
strange thicket
yeah that is what i meant lmao
solid gate
Ah, ok. I have tried to use it with Y on the end when talking about medium players who push too aggressive on a tank they shouldn’t.
potent forum
Here or in the game chat?
daring wren
Guys u think it's possible see in the game the French heavys monoshot line, like the Amx m4 54 and like that ?
kind bluff
not in a long while
fast compass
Would love to see them but yeah that would be next year at the earliest
nocturne sage
Should get the engine or tracks first for the m103 after I have gotten the 120mm
keen escarp
@kind bluff shut up i am not smoking that.
kind bluff
lmao
covert dagger
I can't tell anyone how much I want the M60, but don't have the money to get it. I've heard everything there is about it, but I still want it. I'm going to have to wait another year to get it, if I even can.
kind bluff
within a year you can get an M48 which is more or less the same tank and u dont have to open your wallet @covert dagger
covert dagger
I already have the M48, with 100% trained crew. I want the M60 for a different reason than just a battle tank.
kind bluff
just to collect it...? Then you'd better wait until they offer only the M60 so it doesn't cost you as much
acoustic pollen
dont be hasty guys, dont spend more than things are worth.... keep in mind most games are 60 new tops....
k maybe 80 idk been forever since i bought a new game
tulip sail
Most are 60 however subscription based games can rack up cost
covert dagger
I'm mainly upset that I have to travel around the sun again before I have another chance at getting it.
tulip sail
I got super lucky in getting it
keen escarp
@covert dagger 79.99 oh hecks nah.
then they come with a lowe deal--- wow they really want some cash-
i havent seen anyone wit m60 just now but surely ppl would buy
solid gate
Amx 12 t doesn't feels like a light tank smh
keen escarp
Well it is.
solid gate
Idk it's just feels slow
keen escarp
uh-
solid gate
I do fully upgraded it and its still feels slow
tidal atlas
The funny thing is the T37 autoloader is better than the 12 t autoloader
fast compass
Gun depression amd dpm alone makes t37 outright better than 12t
And the next tanks up their lines, t71 is again outright better than 13 75
tidal atlas
And the T69 and 13 90 aren't even the same play style
slate peak
They are pretty different
restive ravine
@restive ravine judging a tank when it is stock is not smart at all
@strange thicket
Don't know what is his weak spot so I get shoot all the time at the start 😂 so I say it's horrible, but I think after upgrade with EXP it's better
haughty moss
hey guys for the lowe deal are the x5 certificates for the lowe only or can you use them for whatever tank you want?
modest thicket
I cant find the balance channel again. but Grille is BAD! its really fast spotted, Its pen is really weak, its armor is for t3.
snow raft
i did it
covert dagger
I'm buying the M60 next year, I'm already saving up for it!!!
open solstice
How to play t62a?
solid gate
I bought the tiger 2 and 75% crew for it. Should i research the turret and gun or only turret?(with free xp)
Or can the stock gun pen most tier 8s?
sturdy bane
the first 10.5cm should hold up pretty well, if you don't have that then free xp it
the second one isn't that much better, should be able to grind it alright
solid gate
Ok thanks
rapid orchid
I don't have it
But
Use leopard 1 wisely
Bc the turret is little bit paper for tier 10 tanks
fervent pewter
someone here who got leopard 1?
@snow raft I do., actually the first line i grinded
inland osprey
Leopard 1 eh, good until you meet other mediums that's not a FV4202.
fervent pewter
wdym, fv42 is powercreeped by leo lmak
unless you pen hesh everytime upfront, which most of the time isnt the case
viral falcon
Fv4202 is by no means powercreeped by leo😆
fervent pewter
fair.
I don't own a fv42 myself so i can't really tell, but I for sure destroyed too many fv42 in my tx game, maybe i havent met a good driver yet
tulip edge
fv4202 is alright for random battles as dummies let you farm them with HESH. The tank is kind of irrelevant though
wise moth
@fervent pewter it kinda is though, Leo 1 is better in literally every way, and even when you load HESH in the 4202, you only have 450 more DPM, but it’s so easy to bounce/miss with it that in practice, the DPM advantage on the HESH doesn’t mean much
And if you use APCR, you have 400 less DPM than the Leo
snow raft
im going for every medium t10
fervent pewter
@fervent pewter how is it?
@snow raft The line required the most skill to grind in the game imo, like-wise I think leo 1 also required a really good driver to perform well in it, think of an exponential graph, the better the player you are the greater leo get, because you have to be aware of your position all the time, armor is not the greatest but i dont expect a leo to get hit a lot anyways
its certainly the best med if you are really good with it, how you perform in the line before leo 1 will also tell you if you are really ready to use it.
yea since i chose to grind the most skilled line in the game first as a new player my WR got obliterated, but it also teach me how to play the game in the most rocky way aswell
snow raft
i have wz121 currently
fervent pewter
@fervent pewter it kinda is though, Leo 1 is better in literally every way, and even when you load HESH in the 4202, you only have 450 more DPM, but it’s so easy to bounce/miss with it that in practice, the DPM advantage on the HESH doesn’t mean much
@wise moth agreed, on paper it seem like a really good tank but it doesnt really perform well at all.
i have wz121 currently
@snow raft I don't really see much wz121 in the match currently, so i cant really compare it to leo but leo can safely brawl every med in the game.(t22 excluded)
bronze pond
Ah i see
fringe storm
Leo 1 is a good tank in randoms on certain situations, in tournaments however u will most likely never see one as they are better suited meds like Stb1 , 1v1 it will loose to most meds unless it’s from a distance but even then it’s a nice HE magnet, a very skilled player might win against a noob 121 but the bet is always on 121 which is an underrated tank
fervent pewter
Leo 1 is a good tank in randoms on certain situations, in tournaments however u will most likely never see one as they are better suited meds like Stb1 , 1v1 it will loose to most meds unless it’s from a distance but even then it’s a nice HE magnet, a very skilled player might win against a noob 121 but the bet is always on 121 which is an underrated tank
@fringe storm leo losing 1v1 to most meds is the last thing i would probably say to leo 1 lmao
haughty forge
Grinding fv 4005 line, need tip videos for line or tips for every tank on its line
hasty cedar
Depends if the leo is big dumb and shows sides
fringe pecan
I am going for lepoard 1 so if its good I'll use it
fringe storm
If u read it I said from a distance, if it it’s close quarters it every med apart from progetto has better front armour so expect a nasty ram damage and if u get it’s side or rear expect nasty HE Shots as well
fervent sand
Hey everyone, thank you for the advice yesterday. I switched from my T-34-85 to MT-25 and I am having a blast in it (already aced it).
sharp siren
Anyone played the ho ri type 3? I’m getting more bounces on the t9 than the t10
lyric oriole
The tier 10 has less defense but it's more mobile
viral lodge
Grinding fv 4005 line, need tip videos for line or tips for every tank on its line
@haughty forge Bascially
Firefly is a high pen med
Challenger is a TD that is like a med with high pen again
Charioteer is the 1st true TD, plays kinda like the hellcat but slower and has HESH (High Pen HE)
Conway is a derp with top gun and a trolly turret, HESH is good yes.
FV4005 I cant really say anything about as I cant get consistent results in it yet.
digital wyvern
Personally I feel the turret is much too big for it to be an effective td
It tends to play much better as a support med
wise moth
@kind bluff Even the standard ammo on IS-3 can pen Tiger II when unangled, but when you load gold....
kind bluff
bruh then again the pen on IS-3 is very high compared to other tanks
so its a little overblown ig
and anyways tier 8 is broken anyways might as well have some strong tech tree tanks
raven spade
Increase crusader's dmg
wise moth
@kind bluff Well, even the lowly pen on the T69 can contest the front plate of Tiger II with gold too, and that’s without CS
kind bluff
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@raven spade no
kind bluff
your evidence of why it needs a buff is useless
tidal atlas
You want a buff because tanks can pen with gold? Are you asking for a tank that already has the best armor profile in Tier 8 and even some tier 9s to get a buff? Your logic is stupid.
tulip edge
@crystal hare Yes go for the top gun, the penetration increase is significant and it will make the tank easier to play.
crystal hare
Thanks
wise moth
@tidal atlas I’m not asking for Tiger II to get a buff, I was just pointing something out to continue a convo from a different channel to dodge slow mode
crystal hare
But which turret on KV-4
tulip edge
The one you have to research.
Go for the gun before the turret though
median vapor
Hello guys. I am new here, but played before once again. Need some kind of help to choose reliable tank to use.
I dont remember my lvl.
Or tank
solid gate
@raven spade it has fast reload. 90 dmg every 3.3 seconds when maxed, thats pretty good
median vapor
Anyone up to help me?
wise spindle
@median vapor What tier are you looking for?
solid gate
What tier are you rn
median vapor
My game is downloading
solid gate
You starting a new account or u still have the old one
wise spindle
If you’re going for a tier 10, I’d recommend something easy, like the E100 route or the IS-7 route
median vapor
I have old and there cruiser something
solid gate
Well, like someguy500 said, you might start with the easier lines. You can continue the british line tho, mediums line would be better since the Churchills are hard to play
solid rain
