thank you, finally some information...where did you guys even get this info, I can't find anything
#vehicles-discussion
valid dagger
karmic nymph
@valid dagger blitzhangar
valid dagger
ooooooohhhh
nocturne sage
Would an armor buff of 120 front armor be too much for the is 6 or too little
karmic nymph
@nocturne sage It would make it into a strong tank, the front would be like a t54.
west yew
i want to see m1a2 Abrams and leo2 but that would be overpowered right?
nocturne sage
Obj I see what you mean
valid dagger
but its 120mm angled how much is that effective (straight on)?
nocturne sage
254 at least since obj 252u is saying that it would be like the front of an t54 look at blitz hangar
valid dagger
okay, for tier 8 that is good (BL-10 tho -_-). but we don't know how much WG will buff it.
I hope they buff the cheeks, those are ridiculouly terrible (especially on the left when facing the tank)
nocturne sage
254mm on a tier 8 seems pretty dummy thick broken so may 110mm but differently not 120 since the effective armor would crash high
karmic nymph
Like 245mm? But the tank is taller than the t54 so it’s stronger
valid dagger
Height doesn't matter, but the angle of the slope does
nocturne sage
But what t8 tank has 254mm of pen that’s including premium rounds
karmic nymph
Uh most heavys
valid dagger
isu 152 has 300mm on the big gun
karmic nymph
The height does matter a lot cause tall tanks shoot down on you, reducing the slope
valid dagger
^
nocturne sage
Mmm I may not have thought that one through but i still that 254mm does seem pretty broken and maybe a pen buff for the other gun of the is 6
karmic nymph
It’s not 254, it’s less and yes it might be a bit much
valid dagger
nah 245 seems about right to me, any heavy can pen that with premium easily, not to mention the lower plate is already pretty weak
karmic nymph
I don’t want it to be strong though.
valid dagger
why not?
nocturne sage
Bc it’s not fun for others and then there’s gonna whole bunch of is 6 in t9, t8, and t7 matches
valid dagger
plus most heavies at tier 8 and 9 will be shooting down on it so it will probably only be around 200mm and less anyway
karmic nymph
We already have plenty of super strong tier 8s. We don’t need another one, especially one that so many people already have.
valid dagger
so many people? i think more people have the is5 thank this tank
karmic nymph
It’s a tech tree premium, it’s common. The is5 is super common so it’s not a good comparison to what is common
And if it’s broken people will easily be able to get it.
nocturne sage
Look at the obj252u when the sold it U saw one EVERY SIGNLE GAME
valid dagger
that's like that every time there is a new tank tech tree or premium doesnt matter there are huge amounts of people playing it first
zealous anchor
Badgerrrr
glad copper
Whoever developed the T-2020 needs to have their crayon privileges revoked, what a steaming turd of a tank. Anyone who pays nearly £50 for that pile of scrap needs a lobotomy. 😂
hard nexus
i would rather they add a piece of crap to the game, than add broken tanks
tranquil trench
its funny how everyone is complaining about it not being good, its a balanced tank, cuz there are too many heavies that powercreeps it
spice pilot
Speaking of powercreeped tanks
The predator UM and vindicator UM desperately need a buff
inland osprey
I just think people might have higher expectations of new premium tanks.
hollow notch
Yup, considering people say the is5 is bad. It's not.
hollow notch
And that is wrong.
foggy sinew
Real damage it lower than 400
fervent pewter
is6 is power creeped af, my lil guy deserved a buff
hollow notch
Lol, the proto is not the t28 that needs the buff
:)
And? That is exactly what I meant to say
Now check the gun, turret, gun depression. No look at its tech tree special brother
fervent pewter
t28 can eat my ass lmao
foggy sinew
😏 T28 Proto easy target
hollow notch
that needs much more of a buff than the t28 proto
foggy sinew
i think he need more speed
fervent pewter
he need more everything
foggy sinew
like better premium ver XD
dark canopy
Whats the best way to get free xp? Cus i got t-54 lw and its stock is rly bad.
Nvm this dead
solid gate
theres 50k free exp on the anniversary event
@solid gate just wait
T28 Proto turret cheeks suck even when hull down. They need buff. T28 though, woo boy, really needs buffing and a remodel.
tulip sail
So without the turret cheek weakness where do you suggest to shoot it when not in a high pen tank?
solid gate
If you have the high ground you can still shoot through the open top. Also flank it. The sides would still be stupid weak. Also I didn’t say premium ammo couldn’t still pen it in the cheeks but as is you don’t necessarily need prammo to pen those cheeks.
A hull down T28 Prototype would be in a strong position but once flanked it’d still be screwed.
tulip sail
Exactly we shouldn't have frontally unpennable tank by standard ap
solid gate
Well as is the turret cheeks are way too weak. Need buffing to a degree in my opinion.
Maybe keep them pennable but 50/50 chance on it.
tulip sail
It's a weak point for a reason while the lfp is relatively small and easy to hide you just have to turret wiggle like the goose tanks
solid gate
Blah. Even wiggling doesn’t work man.
tulip sail
It did for me
solid gate
Still Proto is better than T28. I’ll give it that.
tulip sail
Wait you're not actually front lining it are you?
(Tbh that's not saying much even I cant stand the t28)
tulip sail
It's not a front line tank whatso ever that might be why you where having a hard time with it as it's a second liner at best
solid gate
Well it isn’t a sniper either.
Also another problem is both take forever to get to position to support or whatever.
potent orchid
@gentle wasp sure
gentle wasp
Yea so I assume you are at the Panther II (which is a really good tank). E50 is tough stock but maxed out it is pretty solid. Then the E50 M is a lot better, faster (I think) and better turret armor. It is really a beast.
potent orchid
panther and panther II are good tanks
i have to admit
I am noob but i am still able to do some nice games with them
gentle wasp
Yea the guns are super good. Overall it is a very good line, not a bad decision at all
inland osprey
Panther has been great since its last buff, it's basically a heavy tank in a tier 7 match
haughty forge
Panther lacks speed and gun depression
gentle wasp
Both are fine
haughty forge
I dunno I have 60% wr with panther and 63k exp, only 1 day or so for panther 2. But I don’t have credits sigh
inland osprey
And the gun reloads in like 4 seconds, it's almost as if you have an infinite clip
potent orchid
i am glad that i used my resources for E 50 m line
haughty forge
Should I save up free exp from event for stock e 50 or use it on panther 2? I want to grind stock tanks when game modes are here
potent orchid
i would save free exp for e 50
gentle wasp
Use your free xp to research modules, not tanks
haughty forge
@gentle wasp i meant using free exp on stock panther 2
potent orchid
you need research only turret
gentle wasp
Ah. You mean which is worse, stock Panther II or stock E50? Definitely E50
haughty forge
What about top gun? @potent orchid
potent orchid
they are free
haughty forge
No they are definitely not , you have researched tiger 2 ofc
haughty forge
@potent orchid do you have tiger2?
haughty forge
Tiger 2’s stock gun is top gun on panther 2 @potent orchid
potent orchid
armor of panther 2 is crazy, feels like playing heavy tank
solid gate
T1 heavy needs a nerf, I just brought it, played 10 games, won 9
tidal atlas
It doesn't need a nerf it has a a giant bottom plate and you just got blessed by rngesus
viral lodge
T1 heavy needs a nerf, that is a flat out fact, it is too strong, it is the highest tech tree tank by WR and that says a lot. (Except the Vickers Cruiser and that hasnt been played enough for accurate data)
tidal atlas
The T1 heavy does not need a nerf when I come across them I just flank them or shoot the giant weak spot on the hull
viral lodge
It is too strong vs new players and lower tier tanks, its not unkillable, all tanks are killable.
haughty forge
@tidal atlas when you are 1v1 it with a mother ht tank it is so hard to fight against him
solid gate
@tidal atlas I hid my lower plate and no one can pen me, not even tier 6 TDs, there is no cupola to shoot at either
tidal atlas
Isn't that the point of a heavy tank?
hollow notch
Are you saying that the t1 isnt stupidly op?@tidal atlas
tidal atlas
It's not op for me If anything needs a armor nerf it's the BDR
tidal atlas
Why? The T1 is easy to counter and most drivers don't know how to use it's armor
hollow notch
Ah, that is the problem. You are considering players that dont know how to use armor.
Have you ever seen a not braindead t1 heavy from the perspective of a tier 4? The t1 is guaranteed to win
tidal atlas
Tier 4 vs Tier 5? Tier 4 sucks horribly
But I gotta admit the stock gun doesn't match with other stocks it does 160 stock and the only weakness then is the turret
hollow notch
The side armor is still strong at 45°
tidal atlas
Yeah it could use a side armor buff because it's also good for side scraping which makes no sense because it's front armor is already amazing
nocturne sage
The t1 is complete cheese and should be used in the event for that reason and the lower is super easy to hit
Plus u face t6 heavies and tds
viral lodge
T1 heavy is way to strong tier for tier, period. BDR has troll armour but nothing on the level of the T1.
solid gate
I don’t understand why they nerfed KV-1 because it was “too strong” yet made T1 Heavy the OP one.
viral lodge
KV-1 needed a nerf bad but they shouldnt of Buffed T1
shadow umbra
Yeah KV1 was doing fine
solid gate
bruh nerf bdr g1
I don’t think KV-1 needed a nerf or at least not to the degree it got it.
@solid gate Dude they buffed it because the armor wasn’t heavy enough. It was basically a slow(ish) medium with a big gun for that tier. The armor once was not that great anywhere. Now it’s more like a heavy.
imagine playing t4 and see that thing
Though irl the G1 competition tanks were all mediums as far as my research has found. But a heavy version is fine with me.
@solid gate You forget that once you get the BDR you’ll be facing tier 6 more often than tier 4. They will rip it to shreds.
@solid gate you have a point
It’s something that annoys me honestly. Getting uptiered the majority of the time and less often facing more or less same tier only but especially not facing lower tier often. Of course makes sense not to face a tier lower as often because you’ll generally stomp them. But getting uptiered is annoying as heck unless you love that level of challenge. I personally do not.
solid gate
On my current account for tech tree it’s tier 8. In the past I got up to tier 9 in tech tree but things have changed.
ebon parrot
Ah I just got to IX and am currently training the crews
solid gate
Ah
ebon parrot
I finished the crew on my T30 which I love it to bits most of the time
solid gate
T30 could have been a tier 10 heavy in my opinion with T34 leading to it and T29 leading to that.
ebon parrot
It's a heavy support tank so it would do badly in that role but I would like it's health to be a bit more in my opinion
fervent sand
Is the tier VII bis worth it?
brave leaf
gentle wasp
@fervent sand worth getting for free? Definitely
crystal hare
The T2020 is not worth $50, grind clan supply for an IS-5 which is the same tank with a better turret and only 1500 gold.
solid gate
@ebon parrot Nah. It’d be a good tier 10 hull down heavy. Just gotta tweak it a bit.
ebon parrot
Ok, fun fact about the T30, it didn't use casings
fervent sand
I’m talking about the Y5 bis in the store
gentle wasp
Ah welp I cannot read. That one not at all. It was originally a free tank and plays like it.
fervent sand
Ah, thanks!
solid gate
@ebon parrot Casings?
lyric copper
most modern tanks don’t use shell casings, they just ran the shell in with propellant
reduces weight of shell and space wasted. FYI the Tortoise used massive shell casings to propel the 32-pdr shell
gentle wasp
The T30 did have shell casings. I keep seeing references to a model that had a hatch to eject the empty casings
lyric copper
but where would it eject
gentle wasp
Back of the turret apparently
lyric copper
even tho that’s where the ammo is?
gentle wasp
Oh wow there was an automatic model
solid gate
Huh
lyric copper
new tier 9 premium I guess
ebon parrot
Ok, I was asleep
Their also was the T30E2 which used an automatic loading system, but the wording confused me for but if any of you can make sense of it tell me
hidden isle
Guys what do you think about the T-44?
tidal atlas
It's a Tier 8 Russian Medium tank
viral lodge
outclassed from what ive seen, too many good med prems that just do better (mod1) but still a viable tank
tidal atlas
Don't rely on armor
solid gate
First tank to implement combustible casings was the mbt 70
@lyric copper also wrong ALL modern tanks use shell casings what do you think holds the round together the idea of combustible casings is to have the casing burn and only the primer cap be spat out running a shell in with pure propellant is asking for trouble also not shell casings for 32 pdr your thinking of propellant charges
lyric copper
oh yeah sorry I effed up got mixed between the two
solid gate
@ebon parrot also mind telling where you found that out
lyric copper
prob Wikipedia
solid gate
Ahh yes one of the most untrustworthy places
ebon parrot
The only tank I've truely done a lot of work with is the IS4 and I currently don't have the paper work I used for it and the T30 was not exactly well produced if you know of some good places to look DM
wild glade
What about the new T-2020 tank? Would it be possible to receive an armour buff? At least the turret? I made a mistake believe that it will be a good tank - it has an ST-1 turret and characteristic of an IS-5. In reality is the worst premium tank..... that WOT video is so misleading .... word REFUND is in my mind..... DO NOT BUY THAT TANK !!!! At least not now ....
gentle wasp
The blame is all yours for believing the standard hype marketing video instead of checking out the tank for yourself or asking others.
proven zinc
agreed
solid gate
@ebon parrot TE (tank encyclopedia) has a recent article on the T29 tank and mentions a bit of its variants
ebon parrot
Ok
inland osprey
Apart from the missile maneuverability nerf, did the T92E1 get any other of its stats nerfed?
wild glade
This is the first time that I bough something without to made a reserch or to wait for a review. That is why I want to let peope know, that the tank, at the moment does not worth £5
viral lodge
@wild glade if you had logged on to discord and just asked here almost everyone would of told you the T-2020 sucks lol
wild glade
I know, and I paid for my mistake
viral lodge
Well to be fair at least it’s a cool looking tank
gentle wasp
So how can you demand a refund or complain about WG marketing?
gentle wasp
Of course you can’t, if you already played it
wild glade
I learn my lesson....
karmic nymph
I mean it wouldn’t hurt to ask, but don’t expect anything. Maybe say you want to buy something else?
inland osprey
Well tbf it isn't unlikely that WG will be buffing that tank if the general response is that it is not good enough.
next solstice
T2020 doesnt seem to have any actual turret armor lmao
wild glade
M4A1 Rev, he got a buff, so it is possible and I hope that T2020 will get a buff.... all I want is the turret to get a little bit better and I am fine
I don’t ask to much 😁
glad mauve
oof
static tide
I think It would be nice if the T-34-3 had slightly better damage per shot
tranquil trench
They put T-2020 as bad as it is now. Once it will leave the shop, they will probably announce a buff, and few people will have bought the thing. Then it will be broken and super-rare.
low elk
i doubt
WG this time wants to sell a unique tank for collectors
but the only thing thats missing is the ability to customize the tank's looks
tranquil trench
Bruh
solid gate
Wait we saying T30 doesn’t have much on it?
tranquil trench
No they were talking about the T30E1
waxen anvil
Is the is6 worth it?
low elk
yes
its a good investment because it will be buffed in 7.1
solid gate
Heh. Those E sets. You know I wonder why they skipped a bunch with the Sherman A3. You have E2 and E8 but what about E1, E3, E4, E5, E6, and E7?
@low elk You sure about that?
low elk
yes
solid gate
Where does it say that?
low elk
ribblestripe
gentle wasp
@solid gate #devs-answers
solid gate
Ah! So KV-4 is getting armor buff too? About time. That thing was getting weak. Oh and T71 and Bulldog mobility buffs I may have to see about.
Wait what? The Borsig performed worse than the T28 this last update?
low elk
prolly something to do with the 152 guns running around
esp T49 and T92
solid gate
Well I even had a T23E3 shoot HE at it and do module damage and took me down to like 1/3 or less HP.
Honestly squishy targets like that need a lot of HP too not just heavies. I mean yeah you shouldn’t front line a squishy TD but at some point somebody will shoot at you.
Borsig seems to be one of the worst TDs for getting module damage. Seriously squishy.
tulip sail
@solid gate they didn't skip most those
tulip sail
There's the m4a3e4 m4a3e6 m4a3e9 m4a3e3 was an experiment with the transmission used by the m18
thorn glacier
Japanese skorp??
solid gate
how do you know that's japanese
solid gate
@tulip sail Oh, ok. I forgot E9 but didn’t really find anything on those others.
tulip sail
The e6 was the upgraded version that had a regular early 75mm turret but was upguned with the 76mm m1a1
thorn glacier
@solid gate it's called the Ka-To
It was under variants on the Wikipedia article on the chi to
Or I'm just that cool I can identify
viral lodge
You want another worse Skorp clone?
nocturne sage
With everyone saying that the t2020 is bad should have expected it to be bad. For crying out loud it has 2020 in it. What year is it 2020, the worst year so far
gentle wasp
Old joke
thorn glacier
♻️
inland osprey
Comet 12 degrees gun depression is godly after the Cromwell
open solstice
After a long grind,I'm able to buy a tier10.which one should I get wz113 or e100?
agile crest
Wz-113, E100 has armor, but slow and a long reload, but Wz-113 can bounce equal amounts of shells and is the best DPM heavy tank and also a much better turret
open solstice
Thx
livid socket
I mean, the E100 has an amazing gun tbh. It hits way harder than the 113 and is accurate for a gun of its caliber. It has a lot of hp and is relatively quick. It can be used as a breakthrough tank which really helps you carry games. It’s got a pretty big fear factor because nobody wants to be shot for 640, and the upper player of the 113 can be buttered by anything loading heat. I’d consider the parts where the E100 performs well too if I were you
open solstice
I want to know which tank is better for beginners lol,I'm not really good at the game
solid gate
I literally just bought the sturer Emil. I applied event camo changed the consumables, and bought the camo in equipment as well as training crew. what else should I do to setup and any game play tips?
limber star
T2020 is by far the worst ever prem tank
fervent sand
I don’t see your equipment, I would put that on(if you already have disregarded this message) @solid gate
onyx venture
And provisions
agile crest
@solid gate yeah try to save xp and exp Cuz st. Emil Trasssh, It gets better, but grille is much harder to play, I suggest Seeing many guides. (Ik cuz i have the grille and got 3 aces yesterday :3)
Yeah and the speed, other than that the gun depression is amazing
solid gate
@fervent sand I have both types of camo. @onyx venture I don't really use them lol.
armour is way better than nashhorns so it's an upgrade ngl. @agile crest hmmm Ill see
agile crest
the speed ruins the armor, you can still be HE’d in front
humble storm
Is it better to take panther II or Tiger II?
tiny plume
Tiger
haughty forge
@humble storm Depends on the tank you want
haughty forge
@humble storm if you want E50m get panther 2, if you want e100 get tiger 2
tulip edge
E100 line is very good to go down right now
humble storm
Yee
ocean flint
I love T49
solid gate
?
drifting ice
Tiger II is super strong. 200-230mm all on front. It needs a nerf.
heavy nacelle
Umm that's the idea of the tank tho
foggy sinew
=]] in the old part the IS tank it to stronk dude
heavy nacelle
Upper hull unpenable. To trade off for the terrible big lower plate
foggy sinew
and the tiger 2 old part cant fight again IS3
hollow belfry
@hollow plover shoot the cupolas, pennable even with AP.
hollow notch
I preferred the old tiger 2. It made a nice heaving woth a powerful gun. Now it gets targeted by everyone
hollow plover
@hollow plover shoot the cupolas, pennable even with AP.
@hollow belfry k
potent orchid
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DYrN_8kF_SLNBJrXebIPBJeQD5Z8Y7IvxmrBcrIGssg/https/i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/188906bd003ecceae940be104142f2c4-png.jpg i was grinding panther II and then i got discount from box so my work was kinda useless
my life sucks
hard nexus
wow 1st world problems
solid gate
it's not done yet.. but what do u think guys?
peak ferry
Noice chhool
strange thicket
I preferred the old tiger 2. It made a nice heaving woth a powerful gun. Now it gets targeted by everyone
@hollow notch no it wasn't even remotely good or anything like the e75 armor wise
I would have them nerf the lfp but that is about it
sharp lion
Just shoot pramo
primal ermine
solid gate
It’s fabricated cobbled together
distant nymph
completely fictional. The name gives it out - if it was for example T-20 would've been less noticable
hollow notch
@strange thicket the good thing about it was that nobody tunneled the tiger 2. Now, it's a priority target.
gentle wasp
Because it wasn’t any good before
hollow notch
If the gun is great and you get ignored, it is really easy to do very well. The t110e4 can do the same thing right now
solid gate
Could say the same thing for other trash vehicles @hollow notch
lyric oriole
Not a good reason, "if you don't get shot at" isn't a reason at all
hollow notch
It's the reason the e4 is my favorite t10 td. I call "not being shot at" makes tanks with great guns able to use them.
lyric oriole
Why play E4 when there is E 100? The gun is only marginally better
solid gate
Something is terribly wrong if E4 is your favorite
hollow notch
Oh boy. The salty discord bois are after me.
lyric oriole
Salt has nothing to do with a wrong viewpoint
hollow notch
Let me throw this one out there. I greatly enjoy the fcm50
strange thicket
You aren't really triggering anyone but rather make yourself look like an idiot
lyric oriole
I enjoy FCM 50 T too
hollow notch
@strange thicket considering I can literally sit in front of tanks and not be shot, I call it a win
solid gate
Also subjective rarely happens stop trying to cherry-pick
tulip edge
If anything people shoot the e4 because its so easy to shoot the darn thing
hollow notch
... rarely?
Let's just say I have found very different results
strange thicket
Here is the thing
That doesn't dent that the tank is trash or lets say
Mediocre
Just because you are ignored doesn't make it better plus you are easy to deal with anyway
solid gate
Let’s just say your not the first to say “I don’t get shot at” when that’s false everyone gets shot at your failing to cherry pick
hollow notch
Ok
Let me ask you this, why does the 183 suck? Could it possibly be that it is a target that everyone turns their guns toward as soon as it gets spotted?
lyric oriole
183 doesn't suck, it's a second Line tank, it should be trading not sniping.
Only reason it gets a rep for sucking is the players who bash their head against the wall of never changing playstyle they try to yolo or snipe in it just like KV-2
strange thicket
No? Because the tank is shit stats wise
hollow notch
Oof, 2 very different response
strange thicket
Look at your accuracy
Armor
Concealment
Only thing going for is its big alpha
lyric oriole
The gun is actually really accurate for the caliber
hollow notch
Did players come to different conclusions?
Wow
tulip edge
It was more accurate previously, but then they nerfed it along with the camo
strange thicket
But then again if you yolo it in a med it is easy to take out
lyric oriole
The universal agreement is that T110E4 is bad because it can't do anything special, 183 at least has the potential to nuke a tank
hollow notch
Yup, just let me farm in my t110 in peace
lyric oriole
Which you could be doing in the E 100 more efficiently
hollow notch
Nah, because the e100 is a big *** target
lyric oriole
Like E4 is small
tulip edge
E100 is big but actually has armour. E4 has a weak lower plate, a tumour and no side armour
hollow notch
Comparatively,yes
lyric oriole
Don't forget that 38mm track armor of American tanks @tulip edge
tulip edge
Ah yes
hollow notch
:) so which tank would you kill first given the opportunity?
solid gate
E4 since it’s literally 2 shots less to kill than an e100
lyric oriole
E4 because it's an easy gun to take out, less guns = More survivability
hollow notch
I see. Let the more powerful tanks get away
solid gate
Did you just prove yourself wrong
lyric oriole
When you are fighting with the boss, you always take out the minions, that's true to any game
tulip edge
E100 also has a slower reload. So its best to take the e4 first
solid gate
so which tank you shoot first?
E4 responses
I see let the more powerful tank go
right
lyric oriole
It's easier to fight a unicum when I don't have to worry about a useless noob spotting me
tulip edge
I doubt an e100 will be going anywhere very fast anyway
hollow notch
@solid gate meaning what exactly?
solid gate
Meaning you just said e100 is more powerful yet you said before you still choose E4 over it for no reason
lyric oriole
^^^
strange thicket
Meaning that e4 is not anything special and is mediocre
hollow notch
Yup, I'll take a nice and mediocre tank
lyric oriole
That's the quote of the year, ladies and gentlemen
solid gate
Lol dunno what else I would expect from someone who would base their argument off “I don’t get shot in e4”
hollow notch
Feel free to quote me on that@lyric oriole
solid gate
Dunno why your taking pride in that just ruining your credibility even more
hollow notch
:)
lyric oriole
If the gun is great and you get ignored, it is really easy to do very well. The t110e4 can do the same thing right now
@hollow notch > Yup, I'll take a nice and mediocre tank
@hollow notch
tulip edge
I would never choose an e4, simply because the e100 and e3 exist
strange thicket
You argument is stupid on so many levels
So every trash tank is okay because you don't get targeted
That is just stupid
You acting like people ignore your existence and leave their weakspots open for you
ocean maple
E4 needs omega buff
hollow notch
:)
solid gate
E4 isn’t even funny to use lol it’s just painful
lyric oriole
Needs a Cupola shave, and some massive armor increases across the board.
Even then with how little health it has against E 100 it's hard to argue a case for it
strange thicket
Replying with smilies shows how weak your argument is
ocean maple
The armor isn’t even bad, you still get a lot of bounces from your hull and you would get more off the turret if the cupola was smaller (which it definitely should be). If WG wAnTs tO KeEp tHe cUpoLa at least give it gun depression. T30 is literally better tier for tier
solid gate
He’s gonna pull the “I was just joking guys!!1!1” card
hollow notch
@lyric oriole, so when you said back there that you also enjoyed the fcm, what does that have over its medium peers?
solid gate
Are you that oblivious
ocean maple
But yeah e4 is garbage compared to e100, 1k less HP and nothing going for it except slightly better gun stats
lyric oriole
@ocean maple that's true kinda, the fact that the turret only traverses 180° limits that however.
solid gate
Fcm literally has one of the highest health pools for the meds and pretty decent mobility the pen is good aswell
tulip edge
Remove the e4 tumour like they did to the e5 a couple of years ago
ocean maple
Yeah I guess, I never really cared about the gun traverse tho
lyric oriole
@hollow notch it's basically Post Buff panther II from the time it was added.
solid gate
They need to redesign the whole E4 in general since WG designed it theirselves
ocean maple
Give e4 gun dep and it’s literally fine
hollow notch
Now that is truely fascinating. I found some people that do not whine the fcm is underpowered
tulip edge
I dont understand why the e3 gets superior gun depression to the e4
lyric oriole
If the rear wasn't so susceptible to HE I would agree a gun depression buff is enough, but it needs more
viral lodge
FCM is an odd tank but there are worse things.
tulip edge
You'd think after playing the t30 the e4 would be good on ridgelines. nope . Yet you go from the t95 to the e3 that can dominate ridgelines
ocean maple
@lyric oriole I think if it got better gun dep and better gun stats it would be fine, idk why but using the gun on the e3 feels a lot more comfortable, hits more snapshots and less troll misses
lyric oriole
I only recently got E3 so I can't say much for it unfortunately. I know what you mean though.
ocean maple
it doesn’t help that the e3 got the speed boost 😂
lyric oriole
And the laser pointer
ocean maple
ya tru I haven’t tried the reticle calibration yet, do u find it useful in game? @lyric oriole
tulip edge
I love my e3 because its so easy to dominate a position. And now wargaming gave it the special engine boost consumable, so now it can race into position so effectively.
lyric oriole
Very, I generally use it to get cheeky HE shots in WZ-113-FT, it also makes snapshots hit about 95% of the time even at range
ebon parrot
I have a question for everyone, if you could have a new line of tanks for any country what would they be
lyric oriole
Polish, I want my TVP
tulip edge
American artillery. Give me the t92 with its 240mm
ocean maple
@tulip edge yeah if you find a group of heavies and you can go hull down on them it’s gg nice free 5k farm
tulip edge
When you come across unicums its a bit more difficult because they know where to shoot, but against the average joe, its easy to dominate
lyric oriole
Also can we talk about how bad 263 is now?
tulip edge
I remember when that line came out. I gave up at the stock su 101, the gun is so expensive lol
ocean maple
that’s probably the only reason I got good stats in e3, everyone’s spamming their 3k HP superheavies
lyric oriole
It basically has the same dilemma with 121 being more viable than itself
tulip edge
How would you buff the 263 then? I have never played it so I am not sure how I would. @lyric oriole
ocean maple
bruh 263 hurts to play, I’m trying to 3.5 and i quit awhile ago.
lyric oriole
263 needs some DPM to work with at the very least
ocean maple
I think if they buffed the gun mantlet and the strip of armor in between the chassis and superstructure it would be a lot better
tulip edge
I noticed that I can just shoot through the mantlet, or I can shoot into the top of its hull if I am tall enough
lyric oriole
I rarely find that to be an issue Personally at least since I try to avoid facehugs against tall tanks, but 121 is just so much better, the turret makes a world of a difference
ocean maple
Some more DPM would be nice but may be overkill
tulip edge
I never see 263s anymore now, cant remember the last time I saw one, and I pretty much only play tier ten
lyric oriole
I don't think so, it can really only aim at tanks in very limited manners, and it doesn't have the hitpoints for it, maybe more Accuracy could help it too, because honestly I don't find the gun to be very reliable
tulip edge
Yeah it has no gun dep and a very limited gun arc. I think dpm wouldnt make it too strong
ocean maple
I mean if it had more DPM it would be the tier 9 with armor
lyric oriole
I mean, that's what it should be
See T110E4
ocean maple
E4 has a garbage turret though, nothing like the tier 9
lyric oriole
With how limited the Firing angles are most of the time you have to expose weakpoints to actually get a shot in 263
tulip edge
E4 should have the gun depression the e3 has. And the e3 should have what the e4 has. Makes more sense.
ebon parrot
Well the e3 doesn't have a turret which makes it easier to stabilize
The T70/57 is firing a 45mm right
gentle wasp
@ebon parrot 57mm
ebon parrot
Ok thanks, so it's not the m, thanks I wish I had my book on me right now
fathom flax
Anyone dissapointed with t2020?
I bought it before I watched youtube reviews, hoping that the tank will be great with those space armor. In reality....
gentle wasp
No because most everyone knows it sucks
viral lodge
^^
hollow belfry
Not disappointed in a tank I don’t own and only farm in battle.
solid gate
Is the Grille 15 an actual historically existed german blueprint tank
Or is it just WG try to make a random nice story about it
gentle wasp
kindred bone
guys what is the T49 best equipments ?
fast compass
Not sure about the best but this is what i run
crystal hare
Tier Fun factor
- VI
- VII
- IV
- X
- VIII
- V
- IX
- III
- II
- I
ebon parrot
I agree
fast compass
I would say 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 and rest are irrelevant and extremely boring
tiny plume
Disagree
fast compass
well feel free to disagree, it is just my personal opinion
tiny plume
Wasn’t responding to you
fast compass
well you are still free to disagree lol
tiny plume
Wasn’t responding to you
ebon parrot
To me V is a limbo where if your facing IV you destroy them but if it's VI you get a challenge
viral lodge
“1: VI” Seems someone is a clubber
For me favourite tiers are 9-8-7-10-6-and 1-5 can burn for all I care.
ebon parrot
Well I think that were better when they had more tanks
haughty forge
I play tier 6 for one reason: Researching higher tiers and making money from tier 6 prems, i actually use su 122 44 if i want more credits but su 100y is fun to play so dont call me seal clubber
ebon parrot
What is your favorite VI tank
haughty forge
Kv2
ebon parrot
Ah a man of culture I see
fast compass
hellcat. which brings me to the point, give it a legendary camo
ebon parrot
For me it's a mix of the kv2 and the T150
haughty forge
I only play other tier 6 tanks for progressibg to tier 7 @ebon parrot
gentle wasp
@fast compass agreed
viral lodge
Hellcat is very nice
ebon parrot
I should get back but I need the credits for other things
solid gate
Hellcat with M1A2 gun is fun to play
ebon parrot
If any of you could have one tank from the game what would it be (my only request is that you have it in your garage)
fast compass
The 90mm is easier to play. But the second gun does have a lot of dpm for a tier 6 with sufficient pen to get by
Like in irl?
viral lodge
I mean practically or just to look at affectively?
viral lodge
For me Hellcat or KpfPz 70/MBT 70
haughty forge
Kv2 is fun to play with 290 dmg alpha gun and it will be op with that gun
Today was my y5 firefly’s birthday and i got 100k credits from one match with it
fast compass
I would probably go for foch 155 or the Lorraine. Not quite sure
ebon parrot
Ok
haughty forge
I would go for Chieftain mk 6
ebon parrot
Does not fully loading your ammo rack do anything
haughty forge
What?
gentle wasp
Saves on credits that’s it @ebon parrot
ebon parrot
Ok, I just wanted to know
haughty forge
@ebon parrot dont load any ammo and you wont get ammo rekted
ebon parrot
Ok
gentle wasp
Lol
thorn glacier
What are the important differences between ferdi and Jp2?
ebon parrot
The ferdi is slower and is made from the tiger p chassis
thorn glacier
Is it better at anything?
viral lodge
Flat armour and depression
thorn glacier
👌👌
ebon parrot
I personally don't know, because most of the stuff I know is about the real one, which likes fire
viral lodge
Jp2 has a better casemate and mobility and a better gun.
edgy dune
one of the quickest M badge lol
solid gate
T110E4 needs an armor buff atleast on its compola/ turret
tulip edge
@thorn glacier in a nutshell:
Ferdinand sacrifices mobility for armour, which isnt that hard to go through if you load gold
Jpanther II sacrifices armour for mobility
thick trout
JPII still has stronger and smaller casemate, as well as faster reload and better mobility. The ferd gets better hull armour but it is practically useless, and it's extra gun depression doesn't help it's flat armour at all
viral lodge
Its 5 vs 7 depression, no where near Emils 15
wheat hearth
can sb tell me please how much the last progetto 46 offer was? 8k gold?
karmic nymph
@wheat hearth I think it was 8.5k gold
edgy dune
@wheat hearth I think it was 8.5k gold
@karmic nymph is it worth it ?
this will be the last one ok 🙂
wheat hearth
@edgy dune I think it's worth
for me even more, because I love P44 Pantera
edgy dune
@edgy dune I think it's worth
for me even more, because I love P44 Pantera
@wheat hearth i'm using type 59 a lot of and panter is the counter of me so, i want to buy them i hope
wheat hearth
good luck them
glad mauve
why does hellcat need a leg camo?
viral lodge
Cause its a great tank
ebon parrot
And fun
twin hinge
hellcat is my favorite tank
thorn glacier
Hellcat was hell(a) fun and the 25/2 was actually fun too
Then prot ruined it 😡
strange thicket
dunno
the 25/2 seemed meh
ebon parrot
The hellcat plays like a light, the t25/2 plays like a med and the prot plays like a crappy heavy, that's what it's feels like to me at least
solid gate
T25/2 is like a medium to a degree but it’s a bit sluggish (mainly on traverse) and the armor is trash. I mean mediums can get troll bounces but T25/2 struggles to get even those. Also it doesn’t have the HP to be a medium.
Also someone earlier I noticed said Tiger II is too strong. It is against mediums and some other heavies. But put it against something like Borsig it can pen it frontally without even needing premium ammo. Well at least with a 12.8cm Borsig.
haughty forge
Jpanther 2 can pen it with no problem too
solid gate
What’s the best gun for KV2?
ebon parrot
152 mm
solid gate
Tanks
thorn glacier
If you don't run the derp gun like
Why even play it tho
And if you get the kv3 just go back and get the derp gun bc you don't get the full experience
tidal atlas
imagine not using 152
solid gate
I did but I only to grind for KV-3 which I prefer way more.
thorn glacier
KV2: hahaha I can pen everything muaha
British lights: 😏
supple coyote
AH
strange thicket
they are two tiers above
thorn glacier
Lmao there aren't a lot of tier 8 with 150mm+ cannons
But that's not even the joke
thorn glacier
Forbidden Vehicle 217
solid gate
@solid gate ouhh
It never was called the Badger realistically.
Also they are missing FV205 because not much is known about it I guess as well as another one which would have had a 155mm.
haughty forge
Kv2 can still damage everything up even if it can’t pen
thorn glacier
Honestly they should add German kv2 to the game
It'd be interesting, bc the Soviets built it as bunker buster but the Germans made it practical and anti-artillery and tank
solid gate
@thorn glacier good historical
thorn glacier
nice crate capability
solid gate
@thorn glacier but the cupola of the commander, it's to big
thorn glacier
But thx^
solid gate
I like T-150 so much more than KV-2 to be honest. Oh and KV-220 should be a thing. I mean the one with the 85mm and not the one with the early KV-1 turret and 76(.2)mm gun.
thorn glacier
@solid gate haha yes but the new turret has the M4a32 exp (I think that's what it is) armor
So cupola for weak spot ;)
supple coyote
Add historically accurate recoil that will knock KV-2 over if it’s shooting at the wrong angle
thorn glacier
I support that
solid gate
@thorn glacier yep always weak spot
I wish you could topple tanks if you hit them in the side and keep pushing. I could have done with with poor SP 1 C once if the game allowed it.
thorn glacier
@solid gate look at Martindogger's insta someone did that to an is7 in a maus
solid gate
Impressive.
thorn glacier
But like
Gravity force too
solid gate
Ah, I see. What I did was like 2 or 3 years ago I think and in normal random battles. I hit SP and kept pushing him but the game just wouldn’t let me push him completely on his side.
thorn glacier
Haha rip
But if that was allowed heavy fast tanks would just be op
solid gate
I suppose they would be.
nocturne sage
Is there any difference in terms of armor between the m103 turrets
minor mica
Are the Italian tanks from the plantera to the progetto good and are the new one good to go for too?
wanton lily
for those people who do like chi-ri, wouldnt this be a nice warpaint for it?
rapid barn
looks like the normal camos that cost credits
wanton lily
you dont see camos like this
rapid barn
but legendary camos are for very fun to play good tanks. its got a good gun but paper armour
wanton lily
get a solid cover, and chi-ri is a fun to play tank why do you think it exist in the tech tree
hushed shadow
What’s the point. Poke out get HEd. Can’t pen anything. Can’t move that quick
rapid barn
thats easier said than done. any tank will rek u
hollow belfry
I find the Chi-Ri fun to play tbh. The dpm and autoloader makes it very enjoyable
wanton lily
you have a team supporting you, i also find the same thing @hollow belfry
rapid barn
@hollow belfry was it fun being 1 shot by su 152's and isu 152s, and smashers?
wanton lily
then dont go in the way from them
rapid barn
u cant not go to them unless u hide the entire game until they're spotted
wanton lily
plus theres building and landscapes as cover
hollow belfry
@rapid barn pro tip: don't play braindead like in your average IS clone. The Chi-Ri is a support tank.
Second pro tip: play more carefully and plan their moves
hushed shadow
You can’t use cover all the time lol. When you do poke to do damage, you will be penned by anything
wanton lily
you dont have to like it mate its just for the people who find it enjoyable
and yea chi-ri can be a second line support
rapid barn
werent we talking about the camo... i thought we were talking about why it did/didnt deserve a legendary camo
wanton lily
you said it was trash in so many ways
hollow belfry
I could use to get a legendary camo. My favourite one in the line after the STB-1.
rapid barn
exactly. @wanton lily its gotta be good in various aspects for it to have a legendary camo. IS3, IS5, dracula, isu, etc
wanton lily
it is good.? well not for you since you dont know how to use it
rapid barn
the chio ri IF it had more armour, like troll armour, any sort of armour. i'd call it good
wanton lily
10 second autoloding, mate thats fantastic
rapid barn
OR if it had more speed. becaus any t7 light tank out performs it
hollow belfry
The Ho-Ri is a TD, but i'll pass
the ho ri IF it had more armour, like troll armour, any sort of armour. i'd call it good
@rapid barn
wanton lily
theres like a giant square in the front of it that can easily be pen
rapid barn
@hollow belfry i meant chi ri lol. u know what i mean
wanton lily
plus you cant get 1 shot by su-152 they only do like 600-700
hushed shadow
They go up to 1200 with HE, and the HE can pen
hollow belfry
And the tank has 1325 HP's, so no
wanton lily
chi-ri still has a chance of living since it has a health of ^
watch meadsy69 play chi-ri mate @rapid barn
hollow belfry
Anyways, don't call a tank bad if you can't play it properly. Japanese mediums are support tanks that must be played carefully. Deal with it.
rapid barn
@wanton lily ive been watching him for 3 years. dont need to tell me twice
wanton lily
i only said it once mate
rapid barn
also its got 1325 HP cus it's an easy target for t8/t7 tanks
hollow belfry
It's a support tank. Leave the frontline to your teammates and expose for 2 sec to dish your clip on distracted enemies.
hushed shadow
And loses armor, mobility, penetration
rapid barn
dude. how tf u get solid cover when you;re as slow as some ht's, got bad pen, and paper armour. like any person on the other team can see u, and they'll chose to hit u over a SPIC. cus you;re as paper thin, but bigger
wanton lily
and the 1sec per shot, fantastic
hushed shadow
Gun is nice but that’s about it
wanton lily
ok you know what just watch meadsy69 he explains better
rapid barn
agreed @hushed shadow
wanton lily
and if you watched meadsy69 you should have understand mate
rapid barn
doesnt amx 13 57 have like 0.5 sec inter shell relode, but does more damage overall
wanton lily
no.? the first part no
hollow belfry
I'd rather play a Chi-Ri over a T-43 or T20 tbh. One of my fav meds at T7 with the Panther.
wanton lily
agreed ^
rapid barn
T43 = DPM machine. will reck chi ri anyday. panther will our dpm it and out perform with armour. T20 is meh but still better imo
wanton lily
plus fighting low tiers is the best part with chi-ri
hollow belfry
doesnt amx 13 57 have like 0.5 sec inter shell relode, but does more damage overall
You need to expose for a way longer time than a Chi-Ri in order to dish the full clip
wanton lily
yea
rapid barn
but you're fast
wanton lily
plus it takes 2 sec to do a shot in 13 75
thats 6 second of staying out of cover, meanwhile chi-ri can just go out for 3 sec and boom
hollow belfry
The point of the Chi-Ri is to dish over 450 dmg within 2 sec before disappearing again. IF you have half a braincell (very uncommon amongst blitz players) it will rack dmg like a charm.
wanton lily
mhm
rapid barn
well u guys can ask everyone on this server whether the chi ri is good, bad, or trash, and im pre sure only a few would select good.
wanton lily
meadsy69 says its better than you think mate
hollow belfry
I'm thinking about rebuying it. Rebuying lots of tanks for fun at T6-9 these days.
rapid barn
laughs in 65 tanks in garage
wanton lily
you cant disagree to him, and yea i rebought chi-ri and its awesome
been getting average of 1.2k - 1.5k damage on it
rapid barn
well played then.
wise moth
Chi Ri was fine when it was the only high tier autoloader, but nowadays, there's very little reason to play a Chi Ri when there's stuff like the T71 now
hollow belfry
The pen wasn't even an issue to me tbh. The accuracy is good enough to nail a Tiger II's cupola.
wanton lily
t71 cant compete
fast compass
Meadsy has some controversial opinions... I wouldn't take them at face value
wise moth
And especially when tier 7 heavies have tons of HP and armor
rapid barn
true that. imagine a chi ri VS a lycan... 😮
wanton lily
specially with only 1 100 hp on it
rapid barn
1325 with the HP booster
wanton lily
and uh its called your teamates @rapid barn
its a shame if you never heard of teamates
rapid barn
@wanton lily sadly 'team' is a word only few people know the meaning off. most of the time its "solo yolo"
fast compass
T71 does chi ri's job better. It is smaller, faster and with i believe a better gun. I recently did the chi ri grind and honestly didn't find it too bad.
rapid barn
agreed. T71 be waaay faster as well.
wanton lily
i mean if you compared sizes, you cant assume a maus sized tank going 80km/h. commonsense
rapid barn
that'd be epic
wanton lily
its called gravity force btw
wise moth
I mean, really, it's just hard to justify Chi Ri when T71 is smaller, more accurate, faster, has more pen, and light tank camo
wanton lily
anyway we went off topic.
wise moth
150 HP and some extra DPM just isn't enough to compensate
wanton lily
i was just suggesting a warpaint for chi-ri that would look like this
rapid barn
@wanton lily i know what gravity is smh
rapid barn
did i ask for u to ask?
wanton lily
i dont need permision mate
rapid barn
same here 😉
wanton lily
i could do better in chi-ri
rapid barn
your're ho ri technically...
solid gate
guys is kuro mori good?
wanton lily
it just has a slightly thinner armor cause its in tier 6, other than that it should be good
rapid barn
pre buffed tiger 1 armour with slightly more relode. so yes. pre good
solid gate
st Emil tips pllzzzz. not just "sit in a bush and shoot "
supple coyote
Sit in a bush and shoot
hollow belfry
use the gun depression and play as a support tank. It works very well on ridges at further ranges since you can just show the top of your tank before shooting and moving back.
solid gate
@hollow belfry do I have to go with the heavies or is it alr to find my own spot
rancid yarrow
Give +100hp for E 50 M PLS...
solid gate
e50m is perfectly fine
edgy dune
type 59 p2w tank i know but, he has no chance or low chance against p44.pantera and progetto and chimera, these 3 tank is counter for him
sharp spindle
Currently grinding out the S35 CA. Which gun is better, the 17 pdr with amazing pen and RoF or the 90mm with much lower pen, but higher DPM?
inland osprey
It depends, the stock gun is preferable for sniping, but some people like the extra punch of the 90mm for close quarters.
sharp spindle
Should I use Calibrated shells or rammer for the 90mm, if I use it?
inland osprey
The 90mm eh, I would use calibrated shells because quite a lot of tier 5 heavies have their armor buffed to oblivon.
sharp spindle
Espeially the monster known as the T1 Heavy.
autumn garden
Does anyone have any stats for IS-6 armour buff????
sharp spindle
What's the easiest way to earn the xp for the ARL V39?
inland osprey
Uh
Play the S35 CA?
sharp spindle
I mean are there any tips for playing the CA?
inland osprey
If you're playing with the 90mm gun, you can provide fire support from the second line.
Actually now I think about it, I'd just snipe with the 17 pdr gun, the 90mm struggles to pen the T1 Heavy and BDR G1B from the front.
sharp spindle
Alright, thanks.
distant sphinx
Progetto 65 buff anyone?
autumn garden
Progetto 65 doesn't need a buff
It's well balanced
solid gate
We all like the difference in each weapon platform and each tier. Some premium tanks and collectible as well as tier 10 tanks are not improveble. Prehapse the techtree could include adding loading rail / autoloader , better guns , turret improvements or double barreled ads for exchange of experience and credits .sideskirt plating to protect tracks a bit with 10 mm plates , shell deflectors on the hull etc
Basic tanks could evolve a bit to be pimped like it becomes maxed out as players wants to improve
I understand that a pimped tier 10 basicly equals tier 11 and is not in the game yet , it opens an final new level for the game , more opertunity to spend on the favorite tanks to make them bad ass , also brings room for improvements in gameplay , to be able to keep it fair upgrades may max be 10% better than standard per costemization like loading speed , damage , protection ,optics , powered drive and suspension . For lower tiers an upgrade makes it go a tier up after the standard upgrades, hope this is worth to consider
summer path
I took a bounce from a kv-2 and i was with MT-25
hollow quiver
The kv2 was probably firing AP. It has pretty bad pen so the occasional lucky bounce is possible.
blissful crystal
Кто с ру сервака?)
steep current
Russian armour working as intended. You'll be blessed by more if these when you go lttb and t54lt
peak ferry
American meds need a boop
sharp siren
Ho ri type 2 and 3 need higher HE alpha
hollow belfry
Yeah 640 alpha for 15cm HE is laughable.
hollow notch
The 15 alpha decrease for using prammo is also laughable
sharp siren
You got a wt auf pz IV and obj 704 all around 15cm with 960 he alpha
hollow belfry
The 15 alpha decrease for using prammo is also laughable
Same can be said for the Foch.
hushed shadow
Aren’t the Japanese tanks 149mm not 150?
spice wasp
better is T34 or T26E4?
hollow notch
T34, the t26 is garbage.
sharp siren
149 is basically 150
It’s very frustrating when you do more in ap then he especially since you don’t want to shoot at an external module and do splash dmg
hollow belfry
better is T34 or T26E4?
I think I already answered the exact same question from the exact same person yesterday. For the 2nd time, the T26E4 « Super Perishing » is hot garbage. Get a T34.
inland osprey
Mmm
And buff the Sheridan HE to 960 dmg while we're at it
spice wasp
I think I already answered the exact same question from the exact same person yesterday. For the 2nd time, the T26E4 « Super Perishing » is hot garbage. Get a T34.
@hollow belfry um no?
hollow belfry
Nearly sure I did.
SP has barely anything going for it but the noob proof armor. If you meet an enemy that can aim or get on your sides you are dead.
sharp siren
Paper sides pretty sure you can apply the 3 caliber rule
hollow belfry
The armor isn’t even good. The tank is riddled with weakspots, it’s gun is mediocre and has the worst mobility in it’s class.
crystal hare
My friend seems to love it, why would that be
green raven
How do you guys play the AMX 50 100? I just bought it and started getting my share of HE's pretty quick....
strange thicket
Go with meds
You are no supposed to frontline
And watch out for big guns
hollow belfry
@crystal hare As I said it’s good as long as you face bots only. If someone either gets on your sides, aims properly or loads prammo then it will most likely turn bad.
SP is slower than some same tier heavy tanks
last viper
@green raven play like a medium with extra hp and stay away from 152s and other large caliber weapons
crystal hare
T-34-2 with 122mm or 100mm?
hollow belfry
122mm all the way
strange thicket
Both are good for the tank
100mm if you wanna kinda brawl and the 122mm for a 2ndline support tank
green raven
@last viper I'll try to lol thanks!
crystal hare
Vote for the better tank
Chinese flag for T-34-2 Russian flag for T-44
olive sky
🇷🇺
fervent sand
🇷🇺
crystal hare
Anyone else?
hushed shadow
Why 122mm gun on T44? The other one is better imo
crystal hare
@hushed shadow its bc i was comparing the high alpha mediums.
hushed shadow
Oh ok
crystal hare
So t-44 wins first round
hushed shadow
Panther 2 for this
crystal hare
2nd round is panther 2 v Indien pz
10 mins to vote
supple coyote
Both eww
hushed shadow
Panther II
crystal hare
Which is better between those 2 @supple coyote
solid gate
At least after the buff, Panther 2 can hold its own due to increased armor
supple coyote
@crystal hare I think both are disgusting lol
crystal hare
Panther II in the lead so far
supple coyote
But yeah I’d rather use the panther
supple coyote
You’d probably get a warning for it lol
supple coyote
Pantera
crystal hare
@hushed shadow what do you think?
minor mica
Is the chieftain mk 6 coming soon ?
haughty forge
Pantera you just wait for 3rd shell to load and shoot then you will have super high dpm
crystal hare
These are the three left over, which is the best one?
After this round is the final
Vote vote vote vote!
hushed shadow
Centurion
nocturne sage
The centurion it has better turret armor, better penetration, reload and dpm
tulip sail
Of the three I like the m26 the most then the cent not sure on sta
strange thicket
@crystal hare the t-34-2 is miles better than the t-44 lmfao
Stats are in front of you
crystal hare
I know but they voted otherwise
strange thicket
Probably trolling but eh
crystal hare
Finalists, vote now!
strange thicket
Pantera because of the auto reloading mechanism
Dpm
Penetration
Mobility
crystal hare
1-0-0-0
supple coyote
I fw the t-34-2’s 122mm gun tho
runic imp
Pantera
haughty forge
If you only shoot your 3rd clip shell always with pantera you will have monstrous dpm
hushed shadow
Pantera
crystal hare
2-1-0-0
At 12:00 voting closes
2 votes for pantera 2 votes for t-34-2 and one vote for panther 2
Tie breaker: pantera or t-34-2
supple coyote
You can’t beat the t-34-2 turret armor no cap
crystal hare
T-34-2 wins! It’s the best tier 8 medium
supple coyote
Lol I voted for it twice I don’t think It did
tidal atlas
T69 is the nicest medium
tiny plume
PANTERA
strange thicket
Idk how can y9u conclude that t-34-2 is the best medium from a bunch of people voting
haughty forge
PANTERA for sure and others meds needs buff
solid gate
Defender mk1 literally has the most pen and highest ROF wrong tank
bitter raven
Panther 2
haughty forge
I have slapped that defender Mk 1 with su 152 once
tiny plume
Want a medal?
hushed shadow
Yes the Raseiniai medal
humble storm
Should i sell the P43 anni?
hushed shadow
If you like the 1250 gold more than the tank
tidal atlas
If you like it no
karmic nymph
Why don’t you wait to sell it till you need the gold, this way you can still play it if you ever feel like it
humble storm
Yeah good idea
twin crest
T-2020 should be updated to an auto reloader with an animation change (slow it down)
solid gate
the frontal armor of AT-2 is so good
crystal hare
Yeah it’s 203 mm
twin crest
T-2020 also needs the full armor on the turret back.
vestal nacelle
i just want a legendary camo for my jageroo 😭
viral lodge
T-2020 can stay bad, not all premiums need to be strong
valid lodge
Only the ones wg wants to make money on. A tank can be strong without being broken or op. There is a middle ground.
hollow belfry
Just stop complaining about the tank being bad and buy an IS-5
wooden crow
^^
valid lodge
Already have the Is-5 and I'm not complaining. Just responding to the "not all premiums need to be strong" part.
sharp siren
Now we go on a not all premiums are a scam
celest scaffold
🤔
low elk
T2020 sucks and the only selling point is the good looks
but its a good prem
not a good tank
if you get what i mean
celest scaffold
Ye
solid gate
T2020 needs a bit better performance buff , it’s lack on armor ability and slow manouvrebility does not represent its stats/ name , 2020 vision is perfect sight ,maby up its scout ability free mason style , make it have a impact like this political year , or give it a faster rate of fire due auto loader aperance in graph design
haughty forge
Don’t buy t2020 If it sucks, nobody is forcing you
solid gate
^ So true
static tide
There is no real reason to get it other then “it looks cool”
static tide
Fair enough
nocturne sage
The reload animation is really cool but needs to be slowed down to match the reload time of the t2020
solid gate
Nah anyway. T2020 is f**king paper. 😂 I have met him few times with my rhm and I allways killed this "cool" tank. Hull looks like from WZ-111 1-4 and not IS-5 and turret is again sci-fi 🤣 👌
So.. imo, that tank sucks for that price. Quite bad armor.. bad mobility.. ok reload but penetration is bad (imo) for 60€ I can have better tanks than this one 🙃
sharp siren
Id buy k 91
thorn glacier
Look at all this squabbling. Time to remove tanks.
World of Tank Destroyers 2020
Like name one horrible money-wasting thing about a TD
tiny plume
Toxic
tidal atlas
@solid gate I cringed at your emoji use
next solstice
Like name one horrible money-wasting thing about a TD
Missing
thorn glacier
Hah
crystal hare
400 alpha gun on or 640 alpha gun on SU-152?
wise moth
Big gun
crystal hare
That’s what I thought, but I was wondering how peeps would react
tiny plume
big big
solid gate
⛈️
Rain on the battlefield.
Anyway um to me the Vickers Light 105 turret looks a bit too big for the hull size. They should make the turret a bit smaller.
thorn glacier
The bigger target for the rest of us the better
Just sayin
but if u give foch 155 stock gun 640 alpha I'd reconsider
solid gate
I don’t think that’s how it works. I know it’s a game so realistic things like turret ring diameter may not be as big a concern. However, visually the thing is displeasing.
Also I do think the Foch (155) single shot gun should have higher alpha than the autoloader.
raven bridge
I think it looks cute
languid needle
The T-2020 have an autloading mechanism, so does that mean it is an autoloader?
robust crescent
Anyone know how to play stock t49? I just got it and wow it’s stats are absolutely terrible while it has no crew xp
tulip sail
Honestly it's a better idea to just free xp the upgrades
robust crescent
I only have 3k xp and 3k free xp:/
tulip sail
Just keep playing your favorite tank gaining more
robust crescent
Okay
mossy pulsar
Quick question
Does Tortoise still have the Highest DPM?
Nobody’s replying so uhh
Ima go
If someone answers me please ping me
Thx for the help
viral lodge
SU-122-54 has highest I think
languid needle
tortoise dpm got overtaken a while ago, the su 122 54 is now the king
viral lodge
@mossy pulsar
languid needle
it has 4k dpm with gun rammer
mossy pulsar
I went to Blitzstars and compared them
However blitzstars uses the Highest gun and not the highest dpm gun for the tortoise
Alas 3868 is the Highest I can push Tortoise with the Spam gun
So while it may not be the top dog. It’s still quite the force to be recognized
viral lodge
The problem is tort is a big target with very little armour relatively
broken sentinel
People can pen the Tort's hull very easily. I don't think it needs a gun buff, but rather a hull armor buff. Just make it so it can't be penned anywhere frontally besides the cupola.
tidal atlas
IS8 with top gun can pen easily
hushed shadow
@mossy pulsar It’s possible to change the modules on blitzstars
solid hamlet
Should I go E50 or Leopard 1?
solid gate
Personal preference
If you are getting ur first tier 10 or u like ramming u should get e50m, and if u are fine with no armour except against HE get leo 1
calm drumBOT
X7DragonsX7#0454 has been warned.
haughty forge
Lttb is so much fun to use , but Idk which gun should I use? Also I always bully enemy TD with lttb XD
fast compass
I already told you which gun to use :)
haughty forge
I know which one you said but I like top one too @fast compass
fast compass
Your preference in the end. The gun depression just allows you to shoot easier. Ltwt has 5, so you got to get used to it at some point
haughty forge
Dpm is important for me too
tiny plume
I bully TDS with spic :))
haughty forge
same
tawny bobcat
Maybe WG should add Swedish TDs starting from tier 6.
Then add Japanese Heavies starting from tier 6 aswell
solid gate
Convid 19 lockdown jaja babalah stay safe
tiny plume
Japanese heavys 5-6 are big
Well T5 is , too slow and literally can’t do anything on the maps.. too big
hearty ridge
Yo what's better su85b or a20?
hearty ridge
🤔 I might go to the su 85b first
tiny plume
get spic
hearty ridge
Because it's easier to increase the tier
solid gate
Get both
crystal swallow
Guys, what GuP tank will come next in Blitz?
tiny plume
None
hollow sedge
Stug III and the Tiger II for gup tanks
hearty ridge
NVM I sold the su85b
tiny plume
Bad job
sudden granite
gravedigger or smasher?
tulip sail
Gravedigger really isnt even on a level near the smasher
Its only good against most t7 and lower pen t8 while the smasher can comfortably play t8
solid gate
Yeah. Gravedigger sucks against most tier 8s. It should only face same tier tanks.
haughty forge
Hmmm
solid gate
Gravedigger is too strong against tier 6 and weak against tier 8. +0/-0 mm for it.
sudden granite
mk thanks
spring trellis
Well kv3 is good at what actuly?
sudden granite
uh
ebon parrot
Your not the best for playing front line but if you play mid defense and uh it's been awhile since I play the thing and I knew it could do front line ok, but you can't win one on one fights so make sure you have a team mate close
@spring trellis that should help, I think
solid gate
guys
ebon parrot
Yes
spring trellis
Owh ok thanks man
ebon parrot
Your welcome
fervent pewter
holy shit the 252u is so overcooked
spring trellis
Use he bruh hehehe
fervent pewter
bruh
quartz marlin
Should i do maus line or E 100 line?
solid gate
Either works.
fervent pewter
go maus
hollow belfry
E100 line is easier, but I’d take a Maus over an E100.
solid gate
Man I hate T49 right now.
quartz marlin
Thanks for the recomendation. I will work on maus line now
solid gate
Cannot get spotting damage even when I try and cannot do damage myself because weak pen. And don’t give me lip.
fervent pewter
E100 line is easier, but I’d take a Maus over an E100.
@hollow belfry what he say
quartz marlin
Or maybe E 100 idk
haughty forge
Buff LTTB max speed to 70-75
hollow belfry
I’m not interested in the US lights. The T49’s crap pen will definitively not make me want to play them.
quartz marlin
Im curently trying on E 100 line rn
haughty forge
bUFf LTTB MaX SpeED
fast compass
@solid gate flank and run. Also don't aim. Yeah the pen sucks, if you can't pen frontally spam HE
fervent pewter
Tiger II and E75 when fully upgraded is a blast to play, but i would take maus over e100 anyday of the week
hollow belfry
The VK 36.01 Henschel and the Tigers are all 3 overcooked. You should keep them in your garage once you get them @quartz marlin
solid gate
I’ve always had trouble flanking. I always run into something else and get shot.
quartz marlin
Alr thanks for the sugestion
fervent pewter
however, maus have 61% wr the last update rn, I am not sure if WG is working on a nerf right now, who knows
hollow belfry
I rebought yesterday my Tiger I which I hadn’t played since before the armor buff. The tank is simply amazing and, in my eyes, boasts a perfect balance between the armor, firepower and mobility.
sudden granite
WZ blaze or SU122 44
hollow belfry
none
sudden granite
how so?
fervent pewter
not either, but if you really want to spend your gold that much go for su122 44, the tank is fun, the wz blaze however is more sweaty(you have to be really good at it if you wanna use it to the best of the tank)
quartz marlin
I just bought the gun for the tiger I
hollow belfry
If you want a 122-44, either get a Chi-To SPG, Jagdpanther or T25 AT. Blaze is eh
sudden granite
i mean restoration
fervent pewter
Wdym
hollow belfry
@quartz marlin train the crew to 75%
quartz marlin
Shes still new. Just bought it today
hollow belfry
playing with 53% crew is asking for pain. spend some credits and get it to 75% at least
fervent pewter
yea lol, 75% crew is still painful enough, but you gotta do what you gotta do
sudden granite
as in i owned them once before, but i sold them. Restoring will cost me 1M silver
alpine notch
Welp, your own funeral then.. good luck with dat though
hollow belfry
do it. Not training your crew is just asking to suffer, really
quartz marlin
I alread get used to it
fervent pewter
as in i owned them once before, but i sold them. Restoring will cost me 1M silver
@sudden granite isnt that like only once per account? are you sure you want to do that?
hollow belfry
Mine looks pretty nice
strange thicket
@fervent pewter restoring is not once per acc? You can restore multiple times and different tanks
mortal junco
Comet reload or penetration need a little nerf cus it's too OP for a techtree tank
strange thicket
It literally has no armor it is all about the dpm
And its top speed is capped at 52 @mortal junco
haughty forge
Penetration nerf is no needed @mortal junco and we need good tech tree tanks too bruh
fervent pewter
@fervent pewter restoring is not once per acc? You can restore multiple times and different tanks
@strange thicket my bad then
mortal junco
But there's way too many people using it
strange thicket
Ok? Learn how to deal with it
The tank is not OP at all
haughty forge
@mortal junco bruh too many users doesn’t mean it needs nerf , comet is east to deal with
strange thicket
Not if you have some armor
That things penetration is not as good and not too bad either
Yeah to get the britiah LTs
This dude is clearly a troll
Look at his name
hollow belfry
Comet reload or penetration need a little nerf cus it's too OP for a techtree tank
@mortal junco hahaha yes 148mm of pen is overpowered for a tank that sees T8
open solstice
How to play st1?
snow zodiac
Sidescrape, sidescrape a bit more, and, while you’re at it, sidescrape
raw stream
Fastest IV tank?
supple coyote
@raw stream the fastest tier IV tank is the Luchs but it’s a collectors tank (it do 60kph)
The fastest one you can get tech tree is the Chinese Stuart I think
supple coyote
Idk if they’d put the luchs in the store for gold, it’s not very good anymore lol
Honestly dude just go through each tier V tank and check too speed, it’s not too hard 😂😂
It’s probably the leopard tho
thorn glacier
Anyone else a little annoyed at the amount of IS6s now?
steep current
if they ever sell luchs, check traverse speed before buying
supple coyote
I’m definitely not recommending you buy it either cos it’s kinda garbo. It used to be mega op but now it’s only fast :/
steep current
WG made the traverse speed of low tier lights dumb slow. Luchs turns like 113🤣
supple coyote
It’s turn rate is 30 degrees/second. Not great lol
solid gate
Ok back in the day you’d have had to do a lot more credit grinding for buying tanks and giving them 75% crew. We didn’t have missions and +2/-2 matchmaking. It was really tough to be free to play.
supple coyote
^^^the good old days lmaoo
solid gate
I hated it. Couldn’t afford to fire premium ammo and yet struggled to make credits anyway. And if you got uptiered as a F2P player well kiss your butt goodbye because you are the most useless teammate.
supple coyote
As bad as people think matchmaking is right now, it’s come a long way
solid gate
However, now we have something else to hate. Players who aren’t trained and clueless. Some even do stupid as heck stuff.
@supple coyote True but it’s not the mm. I’m guilty of blaming mm but it’s not the mm but the player base. The player base nowadays is rather poor.
supple coyote
Yes
lyric oriole
The playerbase nowadays has unfortunately become more and more spoon-fed. There isn't many repercussions for mistakes early on, as bad as T82 was for gameplay it at least taught players to think about whether or not rushing is such a good idea. Even +2/-2 which I was fine with made players consider the tank they were going to engage, and consider a position for dealing with a higher tier tank.
solid gate
Well I prefer +1/-1 for Blitz but the trimming of the tech trees was stupid. As bad as getting seal clubbed was you have a point. But even without those seal clubbing guns having all those tier 2-4 tanks would have been beneficial in a way I think. Though tier 5 is where you really have to start learning the nuances and tactics of the game.
hollow belfry
The matchmaking is fine. The problem is the players in it.
solid gate
That’s what we said Admiral.
And I don’t know why they made it so easy to grind through lower tiers as when you hit tiers 7 and especially 8 and 9 it takes a long time to grind still. You should get used to grinding down lower. As annoying as it is when you make a game with a tier system or anything like that grinding is going to be necessary at some point. Unless you spend a crap ton on money.
steep current
dispersion on the move
solid gate
Maybe some buff ideas I have had aren’t right but Pershing does need a buff as does M48 Patton is sounds like. I don’t know about M46/M47.
Oh and T20 could use a bit more turret armor on the front. I still like it and still can pull a positive WR with it but most players hate T20.
tiny plume
No.
lyric oriole
M46 is fine, Pershing could use more Health, and Patton just needs a form of rehabilitation.
solid gate
Eh Pershing needs more turret armor in my opinion not more HP.
I don’t mean on the sides and rear of the turret but the front. Either that or make it more mobile.
lyric oriole
If you buff the turret armor you just make a more mobile T32
haughty forge
Lttb needs max speed buff , change my mind
tiny plume
No.
solid gate
Not saying Pershing is slow but it’s not that quick either. Average.
haughty forge
Pershing is a meh tank
solid gate
@lyric oriole Not necessarily. It’d still be weaker than T32’s turret overall. Even on the front but the front would be more bouncy than it is now. Also the hull armor would still suck way worse than even T32’s hull armor.
steep current
for this update compare m46patton and vickers cr, not a single reason to play m46
solid gate
Well Pershing needs a pen buff actually. It’s not a good flanking medium in my opinion and it cannot pen jack frontally. Jack of all trades my foot. It’s one of the jokes of tier 8.
tiny plume
Not
lyric oriole
Vickers CR is the best tier 9 tank in the Medium and Light class in my opinion now
tiny plume
No
hollow notch
Eh, amx 301er is right with it
steep current
amx trash pen, worse alpha
solid gate
Why is it hard to get spotting assist damage anyway? Even when I spot something teammates rarely shoot them quick enough or somehow it switches to someone else is spotting them which makes no sense in some cases.
steep current
track them, surely your assisted dmg
lyric oriole
The person shooting may also be spotting the target so then it doesn't matter
Maps in Blitz are so small that it's not really common to get much spot assist damage.
solid gate
@steep current Track shots aren’t not my forte. Especially when I and the enemy target are both moving.
Also when I track a target and nobody shoots it anyway. There is little to no coordination in this game anyway which is why I once wanted a free for all mode. Every man for himself anyway so why not?
lyric oriole
Sounds awful
solid gate
Well one person counter argued that then you’d have players running away and/or hiding until the end then winning easily. Stuff like that. Well I get sick of these dummy teammates and I guess enemies are too dumb sometimes too. It’s not fun to get stomped or do the stomping of the enemy team.
tulip sail
You might want to try ratings or tournaments than
solid gate
Um Ratings isn’t any better than random as not enough players play it M4. We all know this.
tulip sail
Wait time is fine on NA only slightly longer than pubs guess that's just a different situation on the different servers
solid gate
Eh I still think it’s too small a ratings player base even if the wait times aren’t long the battles still suck as the skill isn’t there.
bleak abyss
The fv 183 needs a buff badly now with the new lights, u literally can’t even get a shot off or get into position without getting shot and have half your health taken from u in less than 30 seconds
fervent sand
I agree, last game I had one hide behind me has I tried to keep the lights off of it.
solid gate
premium is cool
lyric oriole
Yep, the garage changes
solid gate
yeah, i love it
ngl its rly different than most tank based games i have played, its like a combo pack of alot of features
lyric oriole
Wargaming pretty much monopolizes the tank game Market, some people will say warthunder is better but that game focuses so much in Realistic points that the games as a whole is more of a chore
World of tanks has been enough to keep me around for over 5 years so they are doing something right 🤷♂️
wise moth
@solid gate The current regular garage actually used to be the old premium garage. The old regular garage used to look like this
hushed shadow
That old garage made me feel poor for not having premium account
supple coyote
^^^
solid gate
Wargaming pretty much monopolizes the tank game Market, some people will say warthunder is better but that game focuses so much in Realistic points that the games as a whole is more of a chore
World of Tanks has a really immersive gameplay and I totally agree with it
@solid gate The current regular garage actually used to be the old premium garage. The old regular garage used to look like this
yeah I had played the game on mobiles and computers before the latest changes
thorn glacier
Oooof the 5A for 20,000 gold vs getting it in the invasion crates 😳
ebon parrot
How are the British heavys
quiet pond
Does the Vickers Light have high credit coefficient? I'm making 20k profit per battle without boosters somehow compared with losing credits in others
hollow belfry
The fv 183 needs a buff badly now with the new lights, u literally can’t even get a shot off or get into position without getting shot and have half your health taken from u in less than 30 seconds
The 183 is in the best state it could be, aside from being removed from the game.
Just play better tanks at T10 or if you are really that derpthirsty then buy a KV-2 and play in T6.
thorn glacier
Honestly tho the speed at which the lights reach spotting range is scary now
hollow belfry
If it was in another tank, I might understand. But if you play a 183, stop complaining about all the other tanks being better than yours.
Indeed they are, but people supposedly play the deathstar because it’s « fun », not because it’s a good tank.
restive ravine
This tank OMG
solid gate
ic u also from poor mm when using new tank, that dmg rip
potent orchid
is E 50 supposed to deal around 400 damage?
solid gate
its base is 350 alpha but u can high roll
potent orchid
then i am extreme lucker
because i dealt around 442 damage with ap and without that ability to critical shoot
i hope E 50 m will do same similar damage as E 50
solid gate
pretty sure the e50 just a better version of the 50m
potent orchid
doubt
solid gate
just check stats between the 2
lyric oriole
@potent orchid you can't do 442 with APCR, the maximum APCR damage is 438
potent orchid
@lyric oriole well somehow i did
lyric oriole
Well, somehow I don't think so
kind bluff
LOL
brisk surge
🤣 magic
glad mauve
@solid gate The current regular garage actually used to be the old premium garage. The old regular garage used to look like this
@wise moth ahhhh i see the toaster tank is not a collectors yet
tranquil trench
@glad mauve the toaster is a collector.