I just don't see it enough to know (and I just decided to start German tanks seriously)
#vehicles-discussion
thorn glacier
hollow belfry
Wiggle. Use cover to hide your sides, show your very strong hull front and stay in the frontline. Always keep moving and it will bounce a lot.
solid gate
where do I go in Hellas with nashhorn?
broken parcel
@thorn glacier move your turret side to side
topaz summit
These tanks worth 6k gold? Or just save for Lowe as mentioned above?
thorn glacier
Imo not worth it
topaz summit
I don’t know much about any of the tanks in the offer.. they change once or twice a week just watching ads and waiting for the right one..I should have gotten the t34 when it had 30 days premium with it.. but I’m sure one like that will be back.
low elk
wait for lowe
Excal isnt worth
AC4 is one of the worst meds at its tier
FV201 A45 is one of the best heavies at tier 7 and is a pretty fine tank but not worth 6k gold asking price
wanton saffron
A45 was an event tank last year. AC4 too
nocturne sage
They should at the sturmtiger for an event like in wot pc
humble storm
Imo
solid gate
I think Arl 44 Shooting Speed should be made 7.00. The speed of Arl 44 should decrease by 1 kilometer and Amx M4 45 e Armor Upgrade is required.
and tanks like Centurion, Centurion 7/1 are eating too much ammunition, I think it should be fixed
hushed shadow
Isn’t the line more of Mobile heavies with the 50 100 and 50B? I think it should be ok with the speed. Maybe a nerf on armor could be done with for the ARL. Is the rate of fire a buff to 7.00 or nerf to 7.00?
solid gate
I think the armor of the Arl 44 can only be challenging for medium and light tanks, not much armor on the side or back.
Arl 44 filling in 7.62 seconds is a little too much?
But Right Penetration is more than other Heavy tanks
viral lodge
ARL already has med level dpm and great pen
I think SD enriched theirs, if you play a tank enough it would be worth it I guess, matters if you are doing it specifically to make credits or because you like the tank that much and its really all you play.
solid gate
I've finally acquired the American tier IX medium Tank M46 Patton
tulip sail
Have fun with it
solid gate
got to say I'm quite pleased with it's performance
tulip sail
I didn't like it to start with but when I went back to it I actually really like it I play it the same way I do with my e8 and it works great
solid gate
It's a nice upgrade regarding It's predecessor the M26 Pershing
I tend to play it a bit too aggressive. With it's "Okay" turret armor, rushing to the frontline spots to get quick shots in and to spot the enemy is not that nerve racking as with the Pershing
solid gate
I have less than a hundred battles in T9 and so far they have been normal and exciting
tulip sail
I've got about 300 and I just dont enjoy it I have a lot more fun in t8 (save for a few exceptions)
lyric oriole
@solid gate I Enriched my T49 and I never looked back
stiff swift
Yes! They need to add it
fervent sand
I agree
pale crow
Either Im playing lights wrong, (I only play TDs and heavies so almost certainly) or my opponents were being dumb. Do tier V lights block this much damage often? (450)
Don't know what to think about the gun changes to the leopard. (Haven't played it in a long time) but they didn't change anything about the armor right?
gentle wasp
Leo t5? the gun has useless pen now
lime current
I wouldn’t mind being able to do upgrades for my Sherman Jumbo because when you made it a collector tank it either made it stock (I was fine with that it was stock never got anywhere)
I just want to be able to do the upgrades or it
topaz summit
Does the jag 8.8 earn as much as the Lowe?
gentle wasp
no
topaz summit
Ok, ty only thing slowing me down really is silver...especially when I have a bad round and it cost lol..
solid gate
I'm completely new to amx elc bis can I have tips
haughty forge
@solid gate search Amx elc his soft rescue on yt
solid gate
Add the Ho Ro with the 15cm gun pls
tacit gull
Any thoughts?
bright wigeon
I remember having a lot of fun in the chieftain
tacit gull
Ah, any comparable tanks?
broken sentinel
not worth
viral falcon
It's a pretty good tank of you like playing British vehicles.
hollow notch
You can't HE the cupola anymore
tulip edge
@tacit gull its comparable to the mk6 in the sense that it's not a typical heavy, and it works best as a medium support tank as it can go 40 and received a significant HP buff.
Its not an amazing tier 8, but if you have enjoyed playing heaviums, then you might like it.
Also that offer lmao. "A solid turret" - guess wargaming are ignoring the tumour on its head comparable to what the T110E5 used to have.
tulip sail
When used around hill sides its quite easy to use the cupola to bait shots
steep current
Cupolas of 59patton, t95 e2 or t95e6 tier for tier are strong and managable enough even if they are big. Not the chieftain t95, everything touches the cupola pens it.
swift harness
About the tier 6 containers: is it possible to open all the containers without pulling a vehicle and can you pull a vehicle even if you don’t have any garage slots left?
tiny plume
@swift harness you will get 600k credits
swift harness
So if I don’t have any garage slots left then I can’t pull any vehicles?
tiny plume
You will receive credits for the vehicle if you do not have a slot
strange thicket
no
tiny plume
I mean you might if you buy the 12 for 3k
swift harness
I got the 6 containers with 1500 and I pulled a tiger 131 😢
I think it’s a marketing trick for you to gamble your gold on. They probably increase the chances of the Tiger 131 since nobody really wants that and decreases chances of other tanks
gentle wasp
Or you could have just not bought crates
fast compass
It baffles me that people buy crates and then get angry that they bought crates.
Insert boy putting stick in the wheels of his own cycle meme
gentle wasp
i think it is a marketing trick...
solid gate
It’s a marketing tactic alright. They prey on your weakness. Fugit said this himself.
gentle wasp
And people’s lack of common sense.
solid gate
That too. Combined with their poor math skills. In fact you shouldn’t use math with crates. Every single crate has the same chance of dropping the tank as the last one did. It doesn’t increase nor decrease with the number of crates you open. If it’s 4% it’s 4% for the first crate and 4% for the 10th crate. But people stupidly do math that doesn’t work because that’s not the algorithm for crates.
gentle wasp
Exactly they think the odds stack. Just like every time you flip a coin the odds are 50/50, no matter the outcome of the previous tries.
solid gate
Mhmm. I may have fallen into that same hole as the rest of them the first 1 or 2 times I bought crates. Never should have bought crates expecting a tank in the first place. Crates are there to feed off people’s weakness and make a ton of money doing it. They aren’t there to give you a tank.
kind bluff
@gentle wasp but the chance of not getting a reward by “x” amount of crates decreases by law of large numbers
That is ofc if u buy a lot of crates tho
gentle wasp
That is just probabilities and luck though, you are never guaranteed a tank
solid gate
Well cates are not quite like gambling at a casino or playing the lottery because you still get something but that something generally isn’t worth the money. That’s the problem with crates. The rewards aren’t worth the price tag. That’s why the YouTubers tell everyone not to buy them. Of course you have some that don’t listen to them or who don’t watch them and are therefore clueless.
gentle wasp
Right, there are marginal rewards to make you feel like you aren’t getting ripped off when you don’t get a tank, but the chances of getting something worth your money is still too small.
solid gate
Mhmm. Which is why they should give better rewards in the crates for if you don’t get the (top) tank the crates are for. Right now the crates aren’t much better than buying a bunch of lottery tickets and not getting anything back. You get something with crates while if you lose on a lottery ticket you get nothing and just wasted money for nothing in return. But with crates giving such low value rewards if you don’t get the tank it’s not much better than getting nothing in return.
The blitz player base is heavily hypocritical while they argue how wargaming is not willing to listen to them and of course the whole crates scandal this server alone shows why with the more than criminally unfunny defender to 183 jokes or add [MBT here] with stupidly made up statistics or call for an unneeded buff
gentle wasp
Well WG is great at listening to their sales numbers because people keep buying crates so WG puts out more and more crates and markets then in different ways.
solid gate
Well it is fun to joke about defender tanks but a 183 one is too far. That’s not a funny one to imagine.
@solid gate Also add MBT here thing is valid for the later MBTs that have composite armor and smoothbore guns. But something like the OF 40s which as far as I can tell have mainly RHA steel with a bit of spaced armor here and there seem feasible to me. Though the OF 40s would probably put the Centurion 7/1 and the already hard to play properly FV4202 to shame. I believe TE says the OF 40s fire APDS (which I think some tanks already in the game technically fire APDS at least in real life if not in game), HEAT, and HESH. Also they go faster and have that spaced armor in places.
fervent sand
So what a gathered from the earlier discussion is that the cheften is not worth it right?
pulsar tundra
idk either. I have alot of freinds that love it and say to get it and I look here, and got a different pov.
fervent sand
Yea... I got 8.7K and I want to be really smart on what I spend it on
steep current
it is meh, not worth it if you don't have other tech good tech tree premiums like lowe, t34, is6. you can get better things for that gold thats all. they sold 252u for 8k gold, or 8.5 k i don't remember correctly
pulsar tundra
8.5k
steep current
then don't buy it, buy lowe, t34 or is6 for cheaper prices or wait for something better
pulsar tundra
If u want a cred maker go w the super persh. It has the highest cred coefficient for t8 i believe in the game
steep current
event coming you may need gold to complete that to get the reward tank etc
viral lodge
@fervent sand Chieftain T/95 is like a AX with a massive cupola. Its not a horrible tank and works vs lower skilled players but a skilled player will nail your cupola none stop, If you are new and lacking in premiums then a tank like the Lowe or T34 would be a better buy as they are easier to use.
tulip sail
I dont recommend it for most people I have it and really enjoy the tank (probably my favorite t8 heavy premi) however it's a harder tank to get used to and there are certainly better ones to play
untold dirge
what equipment and provisions should i run with my tiger 2?
tulip sail
I've gotten quite a few tanks from crates
errant ether
Is the chieftain heritage good ?? @ me
gentle wasp
@errant ether meh tank meh offer
errant ether
Ok I just want a good premium
gentle wasp
Yea there are far better tanks out there
errant ether
Any recommendations ?
gentle wasp
For a first premium T34, Lowe, Is5 if you have the supply (just assuming you want a heavy)
lyric oriole
Chimera, M4A1 rev, People will say Löwe but It's overrated imo , Skorpion G, and Lekpz M41 90mm are good choices after you've played for a while.
gentle wasp
There are a lot of solid medium but depends on your play style
craggy briar
Angry Connor, @errant ether.
lyric oriole
Angry Connor is not easy to use
gentle wasp
Pfp checks out
lyric oriole
As much as I love mine, it takes a special brain to use it and it turns out mine is compatible 😂
errant ether
I have the M6 (tier 7 American) and su144-77 or whatever it is and ac sentinel and the Pz something tier five and IS 5
tulip sail
I lost count how many times I've gotten insulted bc I drove it correctly
(Angry connor)
lyric oriole
@errant ether depends on what you like in a tank, you want speed? Armor? Accuracy/Penetration? Alpha? I'm certain we can give you a few if you have some must haves in mind
errant ether
Umm I like armor and I like meds but I'm pretty good with heavies
Pretty much anything but lights I'm so iffy with those
gentle wasp
You could try out something like a Type 59/Mod1 then. Not as good as they used to be but still solid and sold for cheap
errant ether
Yeah I like a good turret
lyric oriole
WZ-112-2 is probably the best tier 8 Premium heavy next to Caernarvon Action X currently.
gentle wasp
Rudy might be a good fit. Has a little of everything and makes great credits
errant ether
I haven't spent any money on the game so far
wise moth
T26E5: “Am I a joke to you?”
lyric oriole
Sometimes 😂
errant ether
I just need a good premium I have A FREAKING TON of tanks already researched I just need credits
I have a few tier tens already researched (I have two tier tens)
lyric oriole
Idk what else to offer, a credit coefficient matters, but only to a certain degree, the player's compatibility with a premium tank Generally determines how much it'll make.
errant ether
Yeah I'll just keep playing my M6 goose 😂
The IS-5 is so iffy it's pretty weak honestly
lyric oriole
I would say it's far from weak, it has solid armor and it has ok mobility. The tank catches more flak than it deserves.
gentle wasp
For the price tag it is great. Gets you into the credits game as a t8 Russian heavy. Could be a lot worse
lyric oriole
Imo it's pretty much a Budget 252u, sure it doesn't have the Autobounce Plates on the front but it comes with pre-angled armor which simplifies gameplay
gentle wasp
And the speed is a nice luxury
craggy briar
How much do you want to spend on it, @errant ether?
strange thicket
@errant ether if you need credits get a lowe
It has got a laser gun and workable armor if you know how to angle
gentle wasp
Overrated but not a bad first tank. Great credit grinder
strange thicket
Nothing is overrated about it
It is only known for its credit capabilities
The armor is not bad either if you have a brain and know how to angle, sidescrape or wtv
It has got good pen and on top of it a laser cannon
You can also hulldown in it but you will have to wiggle
gentle wasp
Yes the gun and credit making are superb but the armor is not very useful
strange thicket
Workable i would say
If you sidescrape it actually works
gentle wasp
Tiger II can sidescrape better
lyric oriole
Also Löwe is pretty big, and generally can't trade other heavies.
strange thicket
You can out dpm them
Tiger II can sidescrape better
@gentle wasp okay and? How does that change the fact that it can sidescrape
cinder marlin
i know ive traded a heavy in a JgPanzer 👀
lyric oriole
80mm of armor is pretty ineffective for Sidescraping ngl. Especially with a centrally mounted turret like Löwe
gentle wasp
The lower portion of side armor where the tracks are is pretty weak
strange thicket
Well 🤷♂️
errant ether
8.5k gold
gentle wasp
Well it can’t sidescrape that great then.
errant ether
@craggy briar
gentle wasp
@errant ether that is enough to buy most solid prems as long as they are not too new
craggy briar
Save it. Soon it will be anniversary event for Blitz. Maybe they will put some good discounts up for grabs, @errant ether.
gentle wasp
^^^ a lot of British tanks being sold now and US ones will be on sale around 4th of July
tiny plume
probably t34 with the skin
solid gate
The T34 (Falcon) looks so much better. The American flag is nice but putting it on a tank as a camouflage is silly. Makes the tank look ridiculous.
tulip sail
Tbh theres worse camo in the game
mystic sleet
Is the Is 4 similar to the Fv215b? I wish to learn how to become better in the Fv215b.
wise moth
215b is IS-4 are pretty different. One is a soft, gun-oriented tank with a rear mounted turret, and the other is one of the notoriously toughest tanks in the game with a front mounted turret, and a trash gun
fervent sand
Am I doing well in my K-91? I am getting about 30-50K credits per battle (no prem or boosters)
cinder marlin
am i doing well in my JgPanzer? 9k-30k no boosters with 500-1k xp
mystic sleet
@wise moth aha ok thanks a lot
quasi mirage
@lyric oriole spagetto 46 smh
solid gate
Does anyone know when the Steel Watch bundle is gonna leave the shop?
fervent sand
Nope
solid gate
@tulip sail By the way name them.
mellow marten
the shells are called w48, w33, w19
thats 3 types that pop up on google when looking up Nuclear shells, and most of them are American artillery or Russian tanks
The war machines were to be based on the T-64 tank chassis, however its turret was to be equipped with an innovative missile-firing rocket gun
The tactical nuke itself was said to have a calibre of 300mm and a launch weight of 150 kg with a deadly yield of 0.3 kilotons - which could create a ten mile firestorm.
It was hoped each missile would have a range of around eight miles.
thats from The Sun uk
fervent sand
Interesting
mellow marten
i think that should be an fair addition to the game, instead of an draw it should cuase an area of effect damge to tanks that would last 10 soconds or so depending on the distance from the explosion from the shell
wise moth
A 10 mile firestorm? That's ~16,000 meters, multiple times larger than the 500m*500m maps we currently have
gentle wasp
how is that a fair addition at all
mellow marten
yeah thats why i said an area of effect that can be like an 36 meter radious
wise moth
I mean, even a conventional 300mm shell would do some sort of crazy damage, like the ability to one shot a Maus with splash damage, if you go by the current alpha vs. caliber system
mellow marten
it could be toned down
gentle wasp
that is arty dude
mellow marten
they did it with the vindicator winstead of its 300 and some round it was toned down to an 155mm
arty dude?
gentle wasp
big gun with splash radius. let's not
mellow marten
come on they added guided missles to the game the next logical step is Nuclear rounds for the Soivets
any ways it would only be able to have like 24 rounds max
gentle wasp
guided missles were a horrible add. why would you compound the toxicity by adding nuclear rounds?
mellow marten
becuase fun?
gentle wasp
play PC then if you enjoy getting hit with the splash radius so much
mellow marten
it only be the most expesive t10 Soviet tank, the most expesive t10 tank
gentle wasp
okay
mellow marten
and you have to have all other soviet tanks that are research able aswell
does that seem more fair?
gentle wasp
no
mellow marten
okay then you come up with an way for that tank to be fair? if it was to be added
gentle wasp
yes. don't implement it
solid gate
is the stock turret better on kv2
mellow marten
wich kv?
gentle wasp
no
solid gate
it is not so flat
mellow marten
nyo the next turret is better
solid gate
why
mellow marten
becuase more health and armour if i rember correctly
gentle wasp
^^^
mellow marten
but tank eater of tigers come on just play with the idea of Nuke tanks
solid gate
less armour
gentle wasp
@solid gate no it has better armor. don't use the stock turret @mellow marten lol
solid gate
stats say it has same armour, and other kv2s cant shoot the flat part below gun
gentle wasp
no the top one has better armor dude believe me
solid gate
ok
mellow marten
stats are an lie!
slow mango
is the conway worth the grind
gentle wasp
yes
mellow marten
someone come up with an fair way for the type 64 Nuclear round tank Soviet bias god to be added please
thorn glacier
It's hard to play but very rewarding if you can do it^^
solid gate
I have no idea what the convo is about anymore.
mellow marten
drugs
solid gate
Nah
wise moth
@solid gate They have the same armor actually, with the same flat 75mm plate below the gun, but the top turret gives more HP and gun depression
wise moth
@gentle wasp Yeah, but the flat part below the gun is a little smaller on the stock turret methinks, although, really, armor wise, the tradeoff between the two turrets is negligible, the real difference of course is the 100 extra HP and 2 degrees extra gun depression on the top turret
solid gate
What tank is that again?
heavy nacelle
Kv2
solid gate
Ah. The monster that was nerfed to the ground and should have been made the collectible.
solid gate
Well realistically the T-150 suits the line better. But! I found a similar tank that might could work.
@heavy nacelle HE pen for sure. I think it got another nerf before or after that.
heavy nacelle
Yea now its 84mm cause I run calibrated
solid gate
I ran KV-2 with the “pencil” gun and it did ok by me. Not my favorite tank though.
heavy nacelle
I use derp for the memes
solid gate
So does the majority for memes or they think it’ll do big damage. It can but it takes forever to reload and is inaccurate as heck.
valid lodge
T-150 should have stayed but the kv-2 should have stayed as a dead end line. Otherwise the career kv-2 players would just keep using the kv-2 while new players would get frustrated about not being able to even get it and possibly leave.
solid gate
But there are no other dead ends save maybe Ferdinand but Ferdi leads to the same tank JP II does.
valid lodge
They still could have kept it as a dead end. That's what it was before.
Dead End line means there was no tank after it. So the Kv-2 stops at the kv-2 and you'd have to switch lines if you want to get a higher tier russian heavy
thorn glacier
Does the ru251 count?
Or like STOP stop
solid gate
How good is t-44? I loved t-43 and want to know what I'm in for at t8.
@thorn glacier RU 251 kinda is for now. It leads to same tank as Indien Panzer.
Also what the heck is #RemoveAP supposed to mean? You cannot remove AP from the game. If you meant that as a joke it’s not funny.
thorn glacier
Oh you don't want to remove abhorrent players?
I mean I guess we all have our boats to float
ebon parrot
Is the IS5 any good
gentle wasp
it is a decent tank but for 1.5k gold it is a great deal
ebon parrot
ok, because I just got to the point of getting it and was unsure due to some being better than others
thorn glacier
I'd save the gold for quick research imo
ebon parrot
I need the silver more
gentle wasp
I would get it. it is a cheap credit grinder
ebon parrot
which is right what I need currently dew to the fact that the st1 is having a hard time doing its job
solid gate
@thorn glacier Dude all I use is AP and it’s a decent round. It doesn’t have the pen of premium ammo like HEAT and APCR but it’s not so bad on pen like HE. It also does better damage than premium ammo so you get better dpm with it.
@ebon parrot Well tier 9 and 10 tech tree tanks have the highest costs which at least counter the credit coefficients and at least some of the time outweigh it.
ebon parrot
yes that is true and thanks for the information
solid gate
YW
quartz ruin
They still could have kept it as a dead end. That's what it was before.
Dead End line means there was no tank after it. So the Kv-2 stops at the kv-2 and you'd have to switch lines if you want to get a higher tier russian heavy
Well there is the Smasher for tier 7
😀 😀
thorn glacier
@solid gate AP is broken it causes way more damage than ramming
solid gate
@thorn glacier Now that’s not logical to say.
thorn glacier
Also most of the time it's AP that kills me, the ratio is just horribly disproportionate
solid gate
Then that’s a you problem. Something I often get told but in this case I feel like the guy on the other end.
thorn glacier
Or they could remove shells and make this World of Missiles
solid gate
Oh goodness no.
thorn glacier
AT2 with missiles :)
kind bluff
world of sturmtigers
thorn glacier
Ah yes every tank should just be able to one shot each other
solid gate
Honestly AT 2 and AT 1 so far in my research had a 95mm howitzer as far as I recall. AT 2 might have had a proposal for the 6 pounder though. I really don’t know.
kind bluff
@thorn glacier but its real and it exists starting tomorrow lmfao
solid gate
Anyway enough of that. Leone!
thorn glacier
@kind bluff sturmtiger or the Vickers line lmao
mellow marten
Russian Tanks Need their Nuclear Rounds
thorn glacier
^
solid gate
If Sturmtiger were added then I’d have Ratte to make it look like a joke.
thorn glacier
Inferno from uprising except it's our new prammo
mellow marten
They can refit an Type 64 and put the Russian Nuclear stuff on it and make it an t10
thorn glacier
Y5 IS7 Defender
mellow marten
Nyo the Russian's made an tank that fired Nuclear shells
thorn glacier
Wg gib
mellow marten
That tank was designed to withstand nukes
solid gate
Yeah because we totally need the Object 279(e).
thorn glacier
It only does well on the side of hills but its gun has 110° elevation
Vertical tank
solid gate
Leone MBT:
mellow marten
Found the site
thorn glacier
@mellow marten YSSS
solid gate
That’s an insane tank.
mellow marten
We need it in the game
thorn glacier
I was tryna find it too and got the Russian nuke grille
mellow marten
It's the next logical step after the guided missile tanks
solid gate
Man Wargaming cannot even figure out APFSDS and cannot do missiles right. What makes you think they’d be able to do a tank fired tactical nuke thing?
thorn glacier
Just add Nuke Nation with Nuke Tanks
mellow marten
Simple added with area of effect that lasts for an few seconds depending how close you were to the explsion
solid gate
They’d have to be in separate mode too so they don’t ruin regular battles.
thorn glacier
RUIN? they'd fix battles w people using AP😡
mellow marten
Nope In normal battle to make fair and fun
solid gate
Yeah let’s piss off Maus players and the like.
thorn glacier
Actually tho the lasting area damage isn't a bad idea, it'd punish camping
errant ether
Is the grille good ? I have it researched pros and cons ?
solid gate
Also I don’t think nuke tanks will make Wargaming money so yeah.
mellow marten
Don't worry you have to get all the Soviet tanks to unlock the nuke tank
thorn glacier
@errant ether yes but it's a lightly armored frontline tank so u gotta be rly good at it
solid gate
While camping is a problem there is a difference between it and sniping.
errant ether
Is it like the waffle ?
thorn glacier
Yeah but u have more options
solid gate
@errant ether I’d say ask a YouTuber or pro.
mellow marten
-50% camo
errant ether
Yeah I've heard the camo sucks
thorn glacier
Less camo means u gotta be in the front or at least midline supporting
solid gate
It’s not exactly like the Waffenträger but it seems good in the right hands.
mellow marten
Any way the nuke tank has like lil to nyo ammo
errant ether
also is it just me or some times I feel like the M48 needs a buff
solid gate
Not in front man. Anyone who frontlines a TD (especially one with no armor) is asking to get deleted.
thorn glacier
Bruh just the no armor
Foch 155 is DEFINITELY a Frontline tank
solid gate
@errant ether M48 probably does need a buff as does Pershing.
thorn glacier
Nobody really loves American tech tree meds asking to save them is pointless
solid gate
@thorn glacier Foch is the exception ok. Most are either too slow or have no armor anywhere.
errant ether
Fr the pershing needs one BAD and the M48 is constantly getting out preformed
mellow marten
We need the T64 Russian Nuclear testing vehicle
solid gate
I like the E8 and M4. T20 is ok by me but could use a buff as well. Pershing sucks. M46/M47 I don’t know about. M48 sounds like it’s meh to bad.
errant ether
The pershing is really a good tank tho I've done well enough in it and the M46 I think that's what it's called has NO armor
thorn glacier
Isn't 7.0 adding a new American medium prem?
mellow marten
Nuclear shell for the Russia's
errant ether
I sold the T20 a long time ago and the M48 is only good on hills it's gun manlet can block every gun in the game
solid gate
Pershing only has armor on the gun mantlet and I’ve seen someone say even that can be penned in a spot or 2. Or people just load premium ammo to punch through it. Also Pershing is the 3rd slowest medium plus is big.
errant ether
It lacks for a tier 8 feels more like a 7
solid gate
Yeah. They tried to make it an all rounder but that is a big downside.
errant ether
I have the T57 and I'm really liking it
thorn glacier
It's literally only good in Yamato harbor
solid gate
Everything else has a special thing and/or role. Pershing though has nothing worth while going for it.
errant ether
Yeah every time I think I'm gonna sell it I play a game in it and do really well 😂
thorn glacier
Fortunately, it's still not the worst tank in the game
errant ether
I need to sell a few tanks I have 50 at the moment
thorn glacier
That title belongs to the 28 prot
solid gate
No. That’s probably T28. Slow, useless armor, need I go on?
errant ether
But only have 2 tier tens :(
solid gate
Eh Prototype is meh at best but T28 turretless version sucks so bad.
thorn glacier
Didn't they recently/are planning on buffing the doom turtle?
errant ether
also I just bought the leo for fun and I HATE IT
solid gate
Also I’ve heard STA-1 is pretty bad too. No armor, second slowest medium top speed wise, and I’m sure someone knows what else.
thorn glacier
Leo 1 or teeny one @errant ether
errant ether
Teeny
solid gate
PT A only sucks because the gun depression isn’t there.
thorn glacier
When it empties its whole clip I'm like "ffs this is a bad tank why did it do 340 damage"
solid gate
But even 6 is better than WZ-120 which only has 3.
errant ether
Should I buy the tier nine Russian med or Chinese med first ?
solid gate
@errant ether Don’t get WZ-120. The gun depression is horrible.
errant ether
I have both researched and I want the 121
thorn glacier
There's a reason you've never seen high tier Chinese tanks ever
solid gate
Skip the 120 I’d say. I’m considering doing that because 3 degrees of gun depression on a medium is horrible.
thorn glacier
Esp the TDs. They start off good and then get disappointing
solid gate
Well T-34-1 and T-34-2 are good if you know what you are doing. Type 58 is more like a T-34-85 without the 85BM gun but only the second gun as top gun. WZ-120 sounds like it got buff in all the wrong ways. What it needed was more gun depression.
Also I hate T-34-2G FT. Like a worse SU-122-44 and WZ-111-1G FT is just horrible to try to play as aggressive support but it’s not a sniper tank either.
thorn glacier
That being said, I LOVE the wz111
solid gate
I hope I can handle the WZ-111 tier 9. The tier 8 just needs better hull armor or gun depression.
wise moth
The tier 8 prem heavy? @thorn glacier
thorn glacier
Yees (oh no now I'm prepared for an essay destroying my babyy)
solid gate
WZ-111 heavy is horrible for me. Bad for winning.
thorn glacier
It's my highest avg damage of ALL my tanks ever (the next 3 in line are the is7, foch, then foch 155)
Sry if that's low I never said I was a pro, I do have quite a few really good games tho
chrome lotus
yeah
viral lodge
Well yes but actually no
solid gate
man i wish i didn't go for british mediums my avg dmg is sorta bad only 800 but i have 1.2k on 7/1 because 105mm
viral lodge
DPM tanks can get just as high average dmg as higher alpha tanks but it requires more skill to use and get high average.
solid gate
exactly and most of the playerbase, me included, sucks because we don't go sanic in matches and do 3k+ avg
viral lodge
there is a difference, you are saying that high alpha is flat out better for average dmg and that is false. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
if you are playing peekabo it is more efficent and I play peekabo
viral lodge
That is just your playstyle, DPM tanks can get just as high average damage, higher alpha is just less skill demanding overall.
tranquil cargo
Just gotta predict where the main fight will be
haughty forge
Usually I do around 1200 - 1500 dmg on panther 1 and sometimes 2000 dmg ( mostly I do 2000 dmg in 1 out of 5 games ) and the avg dmg is 1200 I can’t do more dmg than this most of the time cuz my teammates finishes the enemy and I don’t have nobody to farm
neat sky
Who in their right mind would ever think the Church 1 belongs at tier 5?
neat sky
It's literally a worse Matilda at a higher tier.
solid gate
This is random but I conducted some tests personally, I ran the leopard 1 with no provisions, no speed boosting equipment vs leopard 1 with double fuel and rations and engine accelerator. I timed myself driving along the black goldville roads and it took 41 seconds for the stock leopard to complete the course and 40 seconds for the fully kitted out speed leopard
Based on these results I wouldn’t suggest wasting money and slots on fuel and engine accelerator, instead just focus on traverse equipment. Just throwing this out there, something I found out after 20,000 battles
tranquil cargo
Ya the provisions make very little difference despite popular belief. They can help in clutch situations, but most times players won’t be able to make use of it. Leo 1 isn’t even that much slower than sherry.
haughty forge
Leo has very good speed acceleration
solid gate
Measure its acceleration, ther is a big diff
vague gull
Its nothing weird that there isnt a big difference in time as you will hit the max speed no matter if you have provisions or not and you simply cant go faster
also this is why you go double food and 1 fuel as they only buff acceleration and traverse a little
neat sky
Hold up. You can double food?
solid gate
yes
tulip edge
T110E3 is powerful with the consumable. They are either gonna remove it or nerf the tank, its way too much.
tiny plume
K
hollow belfry
They will ofc nerf it in 7.1
So the pre-7.0 E3 without consumables will be better than the post-7.1 E3 without the consumables, forcing you to run the consumbles in order to keep similar stats as before the addition of consumables. Exactly like it happened with the FV215b
tiny plume
K
hollow belfry
Will make you spend more credits each battle, so you either have to hop into a prem more regularly, or to use premium account. At the end, it’s likely to grant WG better incomes.
nimble jacinth
Where is swedish tank ?
hard nexus
not here
strange thicket
K
@tiny plume k
tiny plume
K
brave leaf
The sheridan should look like this?
hollow notch
We have the prototype sheridan in the game.
solid gate
@hollow notch The first prototype at that.
visual jolt
@brave leaf That Sheridan and the Sheridan in the game are 2 different Sheridans. Ours, the XM551, was a prototype. The one in the book, the M551, was used by the military.
solid gate
Just got the T92E1, any tips on how to use it?
gentle wasp
get the max gun and hit and run. your strengths are mobility, alpha, and the occasional missle
solid gate
Any tips on the T-44?
gentle wasp
hull down, brawl with other lights and meds. flank everything else, your pen is bad
minor mica
Is the super conquerer coming out this month ?
solid gate
no
devout python
is the excelsior any good?
haughty forge
@solid gate go to light tank line and leave alone heavies
solid gate
so you are saying heavies suck?
haughty forge
No, don’t engage with heavies with kv2
solid gate
ohhhhhh but I one shoted another kv2 tho
haughty forge
@solid gate I meant the in game not tech tree , go with your light and medium tanks and abuse enemy
devout python
I have just enough gold for an excelsior. should I continue saving up for a better premium, or should I buy it? the British line is my most researched country so far
solid gate
dont buy it
haughty forge
Save up
solid gate
i made the mistake of buying it now I only have 300 gold ;-;
haughty forge
You will get free tier 6 premium soon
devout python
oh nice
the tanks I play most are British heavies, so I have mixed opinions on buying it
tacit wraith
w h a t t a n k a r e t h e y g i v i n g u s w h e n t h e e v e n t s t a r t s
mortal mantle
i d o n o t k n o w
viral lodge
@devout python save gold for a tier 7-8 premium, (5-10k gold) will serve you better in the long run.
devout python
bet thx
regal coral
is the top gun on the tier 8 french light the same gun thats 15k on the arl 44? they have the same name, but ones an autoloader.
slow iron
Im having a big problem deciding where to go next in my Panther
I either have to choose a Tiger II or Panther II
I've been really enjoying playing with the Panther and i thought that i'll go with Panther II but i've heard its very bad, is that true? Should i go for the Tiger II instead? I really have a rough time deciding on this
gentle wasp
Nah Panther II is actually pretty good now. But the Tiger II is so strong
viral lodge
@slow iron Panther II used to be one of the worst tanks in the game, but it is decent now so not a horrible grind, the E50 and E50M are med abusers, the Tiger line is good as well but may as well do the Tiger line via VK 36.
slow iron
Thank you for the information, i really apprecieate that
woven stone
Oof the new Kranvagn's DPM sucks...
inland osprey
It's an autoreloader, makes sense
woven stone
It's the worst at tier 10 tho
The VK 72.01 K (the next lowest) has 2465 DPM by comparision
9.5 seconds average for just 400 alpha is really horrible
elfin orbit
gentle wasp
yes
woven stone
Yep it's an autoloader on PC, but in blitz it's an autoreloader
mossy pulsar
TOG ll* doesn’t have Recoil
Please Repeat this message so WG will fix everybody’s favorite Meme Machine
solid gate
waits it’s going be a premium?
gentle wasp
Kranvagn? no it will be tech tree
solid gate
Great! I don’t want to grind the tier 5 though it’s kinda bad...
tiny plume
Tuff
next solstice
no kranvagn for you then
nocturne sage
Can someone explain the difference between an autoRELOADER and autoloader I’m not sure if I have them down yet
haughty forge
@nocturne sage autoloader needs to reload full clip to shoot and autoreloader can shoot while reloading shots, unlike autoloader autoreloader will reload shells one by one , it takes more time to load its first shell , lower for second and lowest time to load its 3rd shell
nocturne sage
Ok thanks
languid needle
It's nice to add gun recoil but why the canon breech doesnt recoil with the gun? (it might look like the VFW's gun dont have recoil but it does)
calm inlet
@languid needle cuz it would bust a hole through the tank
languid needle
Not really, on the vfw the only part recoiling is that square. The long thing is just a slider
viral lodge
Most tanks don’t have cannon breach recoil, grille does tho. Type 64 as well
frigid cloud
is e100 or maus better in general
viral lodge
Do you want armour or a gun? And team reliant yes or no?
frigid cloud
team reliant i suppose, i play platoon majority of my time
viral lodge
Maus is a great shield for your team but from what I can tell it requires a team to work with to shine, (note I don’t own either so this is my perspective as an outside player) E100 has a nice gun and has a “bad” turret frontally but can be angled.
frigid cloud
🤔
solid gate
@nocturne sage autoloader needs to reload full clip to shoot and autoreloader can shoot while reloading shots, unlike autoloader autoreloader will reload shells one by one , it takes more time to load its first shell , lower for second and lowest time to load its 3rd shell
@haughty forge lmao nice tongue twister brother
wanton saffron
E100 if you are new to this style of heavies, and if you want to have great fun. Maus if you know what you are doing.
open solstice
How to play wz 120? It's very tough and inflexible to play because of its gun depression
calm inlet
i played like 2 battles in it and free xp'ed past it
i played like 2 battles in it and free xp'ed past it
lack of gun depression made it impossible to play for me
tidal atlas
I’m sure you’ll love the Su100m line then
hollow notch
Everything else about the tank is great. If you can learn to use the gun depression, it's really good
Everything else about the tank is great. If you can learn to use the gun depression, it's really good
open solstice
If the tank had 5 ° depression than it would probablybe best tier 9 med
tiny plume
No, discord is laggy and you camp
inland osprey
Snipe, I guess?
Also what's with the double posts
solid gate
As i said, server problem
As i said, server problem
As i said, server problem
As i said, server problem
tiny plume
It’s not the server, it’s discord
open solstice
Discord fixing itself
solid gate
discord server problem
tiny plume
No it’s discord In general not the server
solid gate
happen on other seevers?
tiny plume
You’re stupid
solid gate
ok
tiny plume
I clearly said it
solid gate
I know
tidal atlas
No need to call him stupid @tiny plume
tiny plume
Said it multiple times it seems
tidal atlas
He maybe had just missed it
brave leaf
Emil 1951
tidal atlas
Emil doesn’t need a gun mantlet the Sweds are engineering gods that’s how we got IKEA
covert dagger
WG needs to re-work a lot of the tank's penetration. Low tier tanks having well over 100mm of penetration is ridiculous. The should lower the penetration so the just at least have enough penetration to handle tanks a tier above them. Why do I need over 100mm of penetration in tier 3 and 4? I sound like a Seal Clubber, I know, but I'll admit its something I rarely do.
tiny plume
No
hollow notch
Nah. They broke the low tiers and haven't looked at them since
solid gate
They shouls upgrade the nashirns armour its wwaaaayy to thin
inland osprey
Do you understand how that particular German TD line should be played?
solid gate
Sorta im more of a heavy type
inland osprey
Ah, understandable
They snipe behind bushes and are not supposed to be shot at.
The TDs of the entire line can die to one or two well-placed shots.
solid gate
Oh
Dude the tiger 2 front turret is to weak
Its face for the upgraded turret face
Blows raspberrys
solid gate
@solid gate I play nashhorn and it doesn't need armour, if they wanna buff it I think it should be somewhere else
they'll only be able to buff armour a tiny bit at most and it'll be useless it has great pen and dmg you just needa not get spotted and find the best place on the map
@inland osprey wanna give me some German td tips?
inland osprey
Um I'm not actually that good at them, the only TD line I've been playing is the Grille line
haughty forge
Nashorn has a lot of hp and nice dpm no buff needed
solid gate
@inland osprey same @haughty forge agree
lunar lintel
anybody got tips on the 183?
calm inlet
yeah, sell it
you have a 79% crew, no provisions, a first aid kit, and not even a gun laying drive. yet you have the Legendary camo, clearly there are some priority issues here
lunar lintel
newly bought, 19 plays, nah i'm just gonna use the crew xp booster, and the camo was on sale
calm inlet
also, it doesn't look like you have a premium tank so playing the 183 will be impossible after a while because of how many credits it burns
you realize that you could have golded the crew for 1000 gold right, instead of buying the camo?
tulip edge
He has 1.4k gold and got the camo, surely he has atleast one premium tank for credits surely
inland osprey
I feel like asking for tips on how to play 183 is similar to asking how to roll a 6 on a dice every time.
calm inlet
who cares if the camo was on sale, its a camo
lunar lintel
dunno i just like it
calm inlet
you'd rather have a cosmetic thing than something that actually improves your tank?
100% crew is critical if you plan on actually hitting anything in that tank
i mean, the 183 is the worst Tier 10 in the game by a longshot so you have that working against you as well
sorry if im being overly critical but this kind of upsets me
lunar lintel
ye, i did eye on this tank when i first joined the game
mighty canyon
If you want a great td get grille
tulip edge
Do you have a premium tank to make credits @lunar lintel
calm inlet
Grille is the 2nd worst TD in the game, and im a Grille main
lunar lintel
highest tier premium is tog
tulip edge
You are going to be constantly broke if you play the 183. You need an actual credit making tank
mighty canyon
For the 2 worts td it does alot of damage and its not just me
calm inlet
i highly recommend buying a Tier 8 premium (like a Lowe) if you want to play Tier 10
mighty canyon
Get the IS5 its better than low
calm inlet
For the 2 worts td it does alot of damage and its not just me
its not just about damage, its also about gun stats and mobility and armor and more. 268 is better than the Grille in almost everything because of this
also, the IS-5 is one of the worst premiums at Tier 8 now, go look at #devs-answers
mighty canyon
Well it works for me
calm inlet
only the IS-2Sh is worse
Lowe has an immaculate gun, good frontal armor, and -8 degrees of gun depression
it also makes a lot more credits
hollow belfry
Get the IS5 its better than low
The Löwe has a decent hull coupled with a good turret, and unlike the IS-5 is has a good gun that can hit consistently.
broken sentinel
Why do people still go for the 183? It's just awful and it's general playstyle is just generally boring. If you want to derp stuff, go grab a KV-2 or an SU-152. They're mid tier tanks that don't outright suck and don't need to be played in a semi-competitive environment. If you need a tier 10 derp, go for the Jageroo; it's actually able to hit its shots and it's actually useful in the context of a battle.
hollow belfry
the KV-2 being a T6 183, it literally outright sucks aswell
SU-152 might at least rely on good HEAT pen while the KV-2’s prammo is pretty much useless (as useless as the whole tank)
broken sentinel
The KV-2 does suck, but you don't lose many credits per battle and it doesn't cost much to buy and research. It's better than buying a 6mil credit paperweight
hollow belfry
But I agree, I don’t understand neither why some people would play one of the most suffering lines to get the worst T10 in the entire game.
broken sentinel
Also the SU-152 still has decent AP rounds. You can pen the sides of most heavies with it. You just generally need HEAT for the front of heavy tanks.
haughty forge
Kv2 doesn’t suck, just learn to play with it
hollow belfry
It does suck. The only good thing about it is the alpha.
broken sentinel
Look man, the KV-2 isn't hard to play. It's not like some enlightened tank that only good players can use. It outright sucks, it's just funny at times.
haughty forge
It doesn’t suck since it can penetrate if you aim and eat enemies more than half hp with one shot and always go with your mediums or light tanks so you can abuse enemies light and medium tanks , reload time sucks
hollow belfry
« If you aim » and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
It’s not like the it had the worst accuracy in the entire game. Thanks, the « if you aim » made my day.
broken sentinel
Yeah, then you have to wait 20+ seconds to do that again. Guess what you have to use between those 20+ seconds - nothing. You don't have mobility. You don't have armor. You don't have camo. Nothing. It puts all of its eggs in one basket, which is the gun, which sucks in the first place.
haughty forge
Most of the players don’t understand things like shell velocity so you need to calculate and shot ( but higher on longer ranges)
broken sentinel
No, you don't. You're not some sort of savant because you can move your reticle a little further ahead of a moving target
hollow belfry
Hitting anything with a KV-2 is nothing but rng. The accuracy overall is too bad to pretend aiming anywhere near decently
haughty forge
Higher aim on longer ranges and you eat more than half of tank’s hp by one shot and that tank will be easy target for your teammates, also do not play like sniper with kv2 close quarter battles are key
Bye , I just like kv2 and it is not completely trash
broken sentinel
Right, so the enemy can just push on you and out-DPM your tank entirely because A.) you have a 20sec reload, B.) you have no armor, and C.) You have no mobility. Good luck with that
@haughty forge you can like the KV-2, but that doesn't not make it a terrible tank.
haughty forge
@broken sentinel my answer for A, B and C , since when you were alone ?
hollow belfry
This, along with 40% loss of pen over distance, makes AP pretty much useless at more than 100m range. Forcing you to splash HE for 200-400 dmg every 20 sec, provided you can hit. No one can make me believe this tank doesn’t outright sucks.
broken sentinel
I'm not saying you are. Once you shoot, everyone will target you and you can't do anything to stop them@haughty forge
haughty forge
@hollow belfry use super charge, @broken sentinel bruh you don’t need to yolo you shoot and then hide
hollow belfry
20% pen loss over distance is still a lot. The KV-2 is only a trash tank driven by derpthirsty players who enjoy 1shotting a tank every 10 battles.
haughty forge
If you say this tank sucks ok I am tired of this argument
broken sentinel
Guess what, people can go around cover. People can shoot you. People can kill you. It's not hard to kill a KV-2 even if it's "hiding"
cold kelp
leaked info on IS-6 armor buff?
broken sentinel
@cold kelp none yet unfortunately.
cold kelp
:/
hollow belfry
Take a heavy, and remove the armor. Take a TD, and remove the pen and accuracy. Give it no mobility. Congratulations, you just built a KV-2.
broken sentinel
^^^ Why not just play an ARL, Cromwell, or VK36? All of these tanks have at least one thing that completely outclasses the KV-2.
cold kelp
you mean weld a huge box and put a half-assed 150mm gun on it and put that on tracks
hollow belfry
It remains one of the T6s I’m the least scared of. I love hunting KV-2s, no matter if I’m in a Toaster, E25 or Jadgpanther.
broken sentinel
Exactly. Same goes for the TOG or Churchill
hollow belfry
Another good thing with the KV-2 is it’s players. They are so greedy that driving a paper tank you can either delete them at range or get close and lure them into your team.
broken sentinel
true
hollow belfry
I’m fine with the KV-2 and 183 in their current state. They don’t need any buffs or nerfs. Getting such nice bags of free damage is good.
hollow belfry
Stay at range and play carefully if you see 15cm guns in the enemy team.
solid gate
yea ik lol, but sometimes the inevitable happens and it's so triggering
hollow belfry
It’s highly unlikely. Otherwise no need to poke out of cover if you see it’s aiming at you. Just let your teammates shoot at it until he dies or turns his turret away.
solid hamlet
Ughh is6 on sale but I want Löwe , should I wait ? Already have t34 jg8.8 😫 😫
broken sentinel
Yes wait for the Lowe
solid gate
yea I get it XD you're right but still.....
haughty forge
@hollow belfry ok, so you love hunting kv2 with tier 7 tanks? Nice
solid hamlet
Or t26e4 since t26e4 got 185% money coe?
broken sentinel
@solid hamlet no, the E4 is trash (It also has 190%, the Lowe has 185%)
haughty forge
Whoever thinks Kv2 is trash I will challenge you
solid hamlet
Ohhh I see. K gonna save for lowe. Ty
broken sentinel
@haughty forge ok, I'm on NA, I'll load up a training room if you're up to it
solid hamlet
Or maybe wait next year for -70% for action x ? 😂 😂
haughty forge
@broken sentinel oh, do you have EU or Asia account?
broken sentinel
no lmao
haughty forge
Neither I don’t have NA one,
hollow belfry
@hollow belfry ok, so you love hunting kv2 with tier 7 tanks? Nice
Considering +1/-1mm is a thing, yes. If you didn't know, T6 tanks can face T7 tanks.
haughty forge
I wonder if We can borrow someone’s account? XD
@hollow belfry do you know that tier 7 tanks are op for kv2? And kv2 is a tier 6 tank?
broken sentinel
Idk what you're on about man. The KV-2 sucks against most tier 6 tanks as well lmao
haughty forge
Nah it doesn’t.... well if you say so then it is your opinion
hollow belfry
Doesn’t matter. The KV-2 remains bad no matter if I’m deleting it in a Toaster or VK 36.
haughty forge
@hollow belfry then you are facing against nub players who uses rammer on kv2
broken sentinel
@haughty forge I can speak from an objective stance and say that it is for sure subpar compared to other tier 6 tanks. Not opinion.
hollow notch
Can confirm
haughty forge
I just love kv2 ... idk about others but if you don’t want to play with it then GG on argument
hollow belfry
The KV-2 is a bad tank. With those stupid, unfunny and a thousand times reposted memes, isn’t the KV-2 a « fun » tank you play for the joy of 1shotting a tank every 10 games?
hollow notch
It's fun, but my Jackson will tear it apart easily
broken sentinel
@haughty forge again, you can like the tank all you want. The tank is just objectively bad when compared to other tanks at tier 6
hollow belfry
It's fun, but my Jackson will tear it apart easily
Pretty much anything will tear apart a KV-2 easily
broken sentinel
*plays Bromwell or Pz 4S
hollow notch
Just injecting my favorite tier 6
haughty forge
@broken sentinel idk man , the tank is solid for me and @hollow belfry yet not in 10 games, you are talking about yourself @hollow notch and kv 2 can 2 Shot Jackson as well
Bye bye I am never coming back to argue with this kv 2 thing
broken sentinel
@haughty forge play literally any other tier 6 tank and you'll do better on average. The KV-2 is just objectively bad on a statistical level. It's not a matter of opinion that the KV-2 has massive blaring issues that being a good player won't fix
hollow belfry
I never played the KV-2 and don’t want to get one. If I do it will be to grind an IS-4, and using the 107mm gun.
haughty forge
You talk about it without playing with it.... Pathetic
broken sentinel
For one, you don't need to play a tank to give accurate criticism about it. Secondly, you can take it from me, someone who used to play the KV-2 extensively, that the tank now completely sucks.
haughty forge
@broken sentinel I see your point but I prefer kv2 lol
hollow notch
The kv2 now is a shadow of what it used to be
haughty forge
If you use calibrated shells on it it will have nice pen
hollow notch
You cant even pen other kv2s frontally anymore
I doubt you can still frontally pen a kv1s
broken sentinel
And that's fine. You can have a preference for the tank. We're just saying that when you compare it to everything else it will be subpar. That's all. You can have a personal love for any tank regardless of how good it is, but that doesn't negate the underlying issues of said tank. I personally love the M48 Patton, but it's fallen out of the meta for several reasons. Does that mean I cannot love the tank? No, it just means it's out of the meta. I can still love the tank and it'll still have its status within the context of the game's balance
haughty forge
@hollow notch you sure about that? I killed kv2 with kv2 after its nerf , indeed it is bit hard but you can still do it
hollow notch
@haughty forge full health HE pen through the face plate. Not anymore.
hollow belfry
If you use calibrated shells on it it will have nice pen
Literally worst in class for both standard and prammo, but I guess spamming HE for 400 dmg every 22 sec is viable
haughty forge
@broken sentinel yeah but when I play on it other tanks are subpar for me
broken sentinel
That's due to the average of the playerbase, not the tanks themselves. If each tank was played by equally skilled players, the KV-2 would do terribly
haughty forge
Idk about that now but you I got your point mate @broken sentinel
solid hamlet
Between t10 collection tank and t8 premium tank, which one gonna make more money after repair/ammo?
restive folio
Guys, what tank is better? The T-62 or 140?
thick trout
T62 easily
Throwback to when this was a hard question to answer when both tanks were balanced compared to each other 😢
restive folio
👍
strange thicket
@haughty forge the kv2 does not have anything going for it except the derp shot every now and then
Sure you can 2 shot a jackson but he will tear you apart with his dpm very easily
The tank is generally an easy target and if you are in a mobile light then CoD-ing it is not a problem
It is pure RNG, it has bad aim, bad dispersion, bad pen, bad armour...
And if you are bottom tier then pray to god to get someone brainless on the enemy team
fickle ledge
Wg you forget about TOG II he dont moving his gun 😥
vapid stream
strange thicket
Yes
hushed shadow
@fickle ledge Some tank’s don’t have the recoil effect right now but would get it later
peak ferry
remote bolt
Can I ask something? B-C is already buffed, but why there's a bit that want to play it? Also I got ace for 1,3 n 1,4k exp, 2 DAYS in a row, does that means the tank is underused?
restive folio
I do regret selling my anime tanks 😦
inland osprey
Batchat is not that easy to play compared to some other tanks, so less people might be willing to play it.
fast compass
Speaking of batchat, what gun do people prefer to use on the tier 9?
hushed shadow
The top gun?
fast compass
4 shell has better prammo, heat gets to like 300mm(?) While the top gun only reaches 278
hushed shadow
Well doing less damage per shot over longer time is worse
Expose more often, do lesser each time, doesn’t seem nice for me
fast compass
I guess that is true. I just heard that the stock gun is useable and wondered what the general consensus was on it
solid gate
Compare the P.43/06 anniversario to the p.43 bis. Both are tier 6
https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/encyclopedia/vehicles/european/It10_P43_BD/
https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/encyclopedia/vehicles/european/It10_P43_bis/
Will the P.43/06 anniversario have a drawback so that it at least feels balanced?
solid gate
P43 ter technically is fake to a degree. Pantera I guess could have been a proposal for taking the P43 (bis) turret and gun and putting it on Panther hulls. As Italy was already working on the P43 and Germany gave them Panthers that didn’t have the Panther gun. Italy would save time at least by using the P43 turret and gun already being made rather than trying to retool a gun or making a new gun for the unarmed Panthers.
bitter lichen
The mobility on the chieftain T95 tho. Oml
brave leaf
fast compass
haha as in T Rex
if it were blue and white it would become our favourite clone trooper rex
lavish peak
when will this tank come ???
gentle wasp
2 or 3 weeks. in crates
lavish peak
Thank you, I think I should prepare 500$
gentle wasp
yikes
solid gate
The VK 70.01-72.01 project starts in spring of 1942 when the furher himself wanted a new brand new spanking heavy tank.
All starts when the Tiger-maus project (later named E-100) was being designed by both Krupp and Henschel in competition to the Porsche-Maus. Before all of that however in 1941 of November when specifications were given for a tank of 70 tons, with 140 mm (5.5 in) thick frontal armor and 100 mm (3.94 in) thick side armor. A 1000hp Diamler-Benz Schnellbootsmotor from an E-boat would propel the tank up to 43.6 km/h (27.1 mph). The crew layout was standard for German tanks; Driver and Radio Operator in the hull, Gunner, Loader, and Commander in the turret. Krupp who previously lost the Panther program was ordered to create a tank exceeding 90 tons in weight, when the design was shown, it was armed with a 105mm KwK L/70 cannon and it's powerplant being the HL 230 (This gun is actually what the Lion uses in the game)
Due to increased demand of armor and weight, Krupp redacted the contract and stopped working on the turret for the Vk 70.01 project, which was named panzerkampfwagen Löwe by now.
Many designs were brought up, including a middle mounted turret, and a rear mounted turret containing a different 15cm guns browsing from L/35 to L/38 which had different evolutions in design and weight.
Tl;dr
Boss man needs new tank, the Löwe in-game is presented at first, but then evolves into a super-heavy tank because Krupp has a wild imagination and alot of the designs for the tank were destroyed due to allied bombings. @gentle wasp
There's more to it, but that's kinda the gist of it.
gentle wasp
@solid gate very cool. what do you use for your primary source?
solid gate
Panzer tracts and random old WOT forum uploads containing information about the project. Usually tank encyclopedia or other sources from books.
gentle wasp
oh yea I like tank encyclopedia. need a good book tho
solid gate
The Vk 100.01 project also comes into play here as german high command told Krupp to start working on that instead, but Krupp, being annoying kept sending stuff about the Löwe project.
gentle wasp
Lol. those little side notes are great
solid gate
And alot of the stuff from the old project got intertwined within this super-heavy project. That's why the Vk 72 in game has one loader, it's because it was meant for the previous model lmao.
Interesting history behind it, but quite random and just it's sad most of the documents were destroyed
fervent sand
Very interesting, thanks for sharing
solid gate
So what about the 75.01 (K) from PC? Is that feasible to have been at least a brain fart? I don’t know about our 90.01 (P) as that seems to be a heavier version of the 75.01 (K) but P implies Porsche thought it up.
fervent sand
Is this worth it? I do plan on getting an IS-6 but I would rather have a good/fun tank
solid gate
IS-6 is not that beast it once was.
quick thicket
Bundle is for sure worth it, but as for the tank it’s not the greatest
solid gate
Though it does have points for visual looks.
Entirely fictional @solid gate
And the P stands for Porsche yeah, which is also far fetched.
gentle wasp
What carta said. If you are determined to get the tank this is the best time for it
thick trout
The IS6 should be getting buffed, probably next update as well so if you want to hedge your bets on it being a good buff then it's definitely worth it
solid gate
In fact, the VK 90.01 (P) was created in the Holiday Shop by Chris Dev, inventor extraordinaire and holiday enthusiast.
@solid gate Well I’d rather base it off the Löwe which Krupp seems to have made. Too bad all those designs were lost or destroyed. Wonder if any had 12.8cm guns.
The 90P doesn't even look porsche because of the suspension, it looks entirely Henschel.
quick thicket
Watch them just buff the hatch 😂 @thick trout
solid gate
Uhmm there were planning for that but Krupp wanted big boi gun so oof @solid gate
@solid gate Of course they wanted biggest guns they could get on a heavy. But I wouldn’t be surprised if 12.8cm was considered for some designs.
Only porsche wanted that for his, which actually became the famous good ol maus.
Oh. Also didn’t you mean the weight wasn’t supposed to exceed 90 tons for the VK 70.01 project?
thick trout
@quick thicket If they just buff the whole turret roof then it would be fairly good, and ik it would annoy Pos1tive 😂
solid gate
Uhmm yes why?
Well for me a 12.8cm gun would be best on a 75 ton version of the VK 70/Löwe if it were in a game like Blitz and at tier 9. I think 15cm might be a bit hard to work with.
Hitler and his boy Krupp deemed it too smol
Even though it's the same caliber as destroyers had at that time.
Then again I had Tiger-Maus at tier 7 in my idea. Though may should replace with VK 100.01 (K).
quick thicket
It’s upper glacis needs a buff from 100 to 110-120mm would and maybe a small buff to the cupolas, and then it would be considered getting @thick trout
solid gate
Tier 7? Oof kinda low.
And we have no info really in detail about the armor scheme sorta?
Here this is useful. Pick your own.
I think the armor would be a problem, yes. We may not have information but it’s probably too strong.
Well I needed something to lead to Mauschen as Maus is tier 9 and Maus II the tier 10. Don’t ask why I did that.
I think is better to wait for the LOWE bundle on the same price. Lowe and T34 are better than IS6 now
Then again I did IS tanks rearranged as well.
Suffice to say my idea does need work on the arrangement of things. Still some tanks had to come down tiers unlike what Wargaming did. Pershing in my opinion should still be no higher than tier 7. Put M46/M47 at tier 8 with 90mm gun(s). M48 as tier 9 and M60 or something as tier 10.
strange thicket
M48 is basically m60 i don't see how is that gonna work out
solid gate
It is not. M48 has a bulb like lower plate. M60 has standard slope.
There are other differences as well.
strange thicket
Again they are pretty close
They are basically the same
Unless you gonna tweak something so it is worth going from the tier 9 to 10
solid gate
The only difference would be reloads and such. You don’t need them to be visually different that much. Geez.
Look at Leopard PT A and Leopard 1. Basically same tank but Leopard 1 reloads faster, has better gun depression, and other stats.
brave leaf
solid gate
Of course M48 and M60 would have same gun depression but M60 would have faster reload and maybe better accuracy. Stuff like that.
strange thicket
Well that is what i am saying lol
I am judging it from how they are in wotb
solid gate
@brave leaf What about the Emil III?
brave leaf
There is only emil 2 and 1
solid gate
I call it Emil III though because that’s the proper name. Kranvagn was the cover name for all of them.
Go research it. Kranvagn is all of the Emil tanks. It was the project’s cover name not a tank.
brave leaf
So apparently it is an autoreloader
solid gate
Autoloader. It should be an autoloader. Unless Wargaming made a mistake.
gentle wasp
Kranvagn is being tested with an autoreloader
solid gate
That’s stupid. It only had a normal autoloader.
gentle wasp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
It’s not a six shooter style autoloader where you can reload a shell at will instead of waiting for the clip to expend.
strange thicket
You still didn't give up on realism for this game lol
gentle wasp
Lol
solid gate
It’s not that but autoreloader for Emil III is a bad idea regardless of realism.
strange thicket
They gotta balance something if it will have that turret
And ofc they are not gonna give it a 30sec auto loader because that is just too slow for the game
solid gate
Do I want some realism in this game? Yes. Do I need it to be 100% realistic? No.
fervent sand
So I should hold off on the IS-6 right? Wait for a better tank? (I do not have the Löwe$
solid gate
Then give it longer reload between shells. I don’t know. Autoreloader doesn’t jive with Emil III in my opinion.
@fervent sand I’d wait. IS-6 is an old heavy that is in need of some love.
thick trout
It's getting some love soon and it's very cheap so it might be a good investment, it depends how much WG buff it
gentle wasp
Nah that’s pretty good
fervent sand
I hope they give the IS-6 some love and make it good again... and still have that deal so I can get it 🙂
solid gate
@gentle wasp thanks, but I don't think so...
Way better than what I can do.
I suck at drawing so bad. May not be the worst drawer but I’d down there.
hollow notch
Autoreloaders are really hard to balance. Hull down gods are really hard to balance. I sure hope they do not combine those two into one nightmare.
solid gate
I’d rather it have a long clip reload than a autoreloader system. With that turret and allies close it could bounce and be protected from flankers while it reloads.
Of course you cannot count on teammates sadly but that’s how it should work.
hollow notch
The prog65 has been nerfed to hell, and after playing it I still consider it a very powerful tank with the abilities it has
gentle wasp
Yea I think it has been balanced alright
hollow notch
It's well balanced, but other than the autoreloader its stats are pure garbage. Imagine what a tank that has a turret to abuse could do with one.
solid gate
At least they aren’t adding Japanese heavies with their ridiculous armor and size. Though I don’t see how they are much bigger than a Maus. Ratte would put even a Japanese heavy to shame and wouldn’t be added to any version of WoT.
gentle wasp
That’s true. It does have a decent upper plate and good speed but yea the strong point is the gun. I guess that is why the Kranvagn gun looks trash, to balance everything else
hollow notch
Japanese heavies would be dumb in blitz. Purely useless or broken af with the hit skin and instant shell changing we have.
solid gate
I think Japanese heavies would work if they didn’t have the “derp” gun. But sadly people stinking love stupid short barreled guns with ridiculous HE.
hollow notch
The armor would either be invincible frontally, or just be a massive slow target to be buttered by prammo
brave leaf
Here are the stats for now
hollow notch
If it went into the game like that it would be stupidly op
gentle wasp
Not really
brave leaf
On a ridge yes
hollow notch
Its hull is tiny, very easy to hide
solid gate
I think they should be flat armored versions of the Maus with 140mm guns. Something like that. Also Tiger-Maus has a 12.8cm gun right? Not much bigger than a 122mm which those exist at tier 7. The problem would be size and armor.
fervent sand
Autoreloaders are really hard to balance. Hull down gods are really hard to balance. I sure hope they do not combine those two into one nightmare.
@hollow notch have you heard of the K-91?
gentle wasp
That is not an autoreloader
solid gate
Isn’t K-91 from PC the proper K-91? Not that I mind our version. It’s a decent tank if not good.
gentle wasp
K91 (in blitz) is really solid
hollow notch
The k91 is a borderline op dpm autoloader
fervent sand
Oh... I am blind😛
pulsar sinew
Blitz k91 > pc k91
lyric oriole
K-91 on the other platforms is just bad, even on console
pulsar sinew
K91 is also is arguably the best tier 9 heavy
solid gate
But PC one I’ve heard is more realistic when it comes to the model and some other stuff. Still ours is more unique I guess.
fervent sand
Huh I really enjoy mine
lyric oriole
I would put it at the best tier 9 heavy in Blitz, at least in my opinion
On Console it's a trash tier 10 medium
fervent sand
I feel comfortable taking down Tier X in mine. It’s interesting that’s it is trash in other games
gentle wasp
I think it looks pretty unique with that weird turret, but ugly nonetheless
solid gate
Wait do I see a return roller outside the tracks?
solid gate
My point remains. It's just so darn ugly 🤮
lyric oriole
Function over Fashion spart
brave leaf
solid gate
Can't play ugly tanks Mayo
hollow notch
"Why is the k91 bad?"
"Its really ugly"
thick trout
Play in sniper mode constantly and you will never have to see the tank 🤔
hollow notch
Play in sniper mode constantly and you will never have to see the tank 🤔
Best advice I have ever heard
lyric oriole
I will curse your Garage with the Ho-Ri, Churchill GC, K-91
gentle wasp
The Ho Ri looks amazing
lyric oriole
It looks very dumb head on
hollow notch
Vk72
gentle wasp
Ok ew @lyric oriole nah I like it
solid gate
Lupus would like to say hello.
gentle wasp
Vulcan is worse IMO
solid gate
I think they both look pretty dang bad visually.
Ugliest real(ish) tank though might be TV-8 or something.
hollow notch
Bruh, the tv8 is the sleekest tank you will ever see
solid gate
Nah. It ugly. So is TV-1 (I think that’s the one someone dug up an image of and posted on WoT Forums).
hollow notch
Your tastes are lacking
solid gate
Nah. I just like different things than you.
glossy aspen
@lyric oriole my guy, ugliest tank 2020. Looks like trigonometry gone wrong
solid gate
That’s FCM 36 or AMX 38?
tulip sail
That's an amx38
solid gate
I forget which is which.
tulip sail
The FCM 36 only had a lv 37mm gun and a mor prismatic turret
solid gate
I see. I forgot what they looked like.
spice pilot
The predator UM is a glorious looking machine you can’t convince me otherwise
Also fun fact, apparently only about 67 people own a predator UM with 342 people owning the vindicator UM
gentle wasp
Yea people don’t play it because it sucks
tulip sail
So I quite enjoyed the is6 prebuff. Post buff its really nice as a med fighter even more so than before
spice pilot
Predator really needs a buff
tulip sail
Tbh I'd be quite surprised if they gave it one
spice pilot
Maybe if I keep asking they would?
gentle wasp
Not likely. The odds of your comment even being seen is astronomical, and even then it would be discarded because you are just one player.
spice pilot
Not if I start a movement
gentle wasp
Good luck with that
spice pilot
Who am I kidding of course they won’t
tulip sail
No offense but there isnt enough people that play it for it to really be taken as a consideration... unless they sell it again
gentle wasp
Considering it was basically free when it was introduced I really doubt they will buff it
spice pilot
They did sell it recently so I was hoping a buff would follow
Maybe they will sell it again to coincide with the world of warships PC warhammer 40k event
It would be a great opportunity to sell them again when that happens
tiny plume
um
solid gate
I have Predator I think but don’t play it because it’s not good. Vindicator is worse though.
gentle wasp
At least the Predator is somewhat unique
solid gate
Oh darn it. It won’t send.
vindicator 380mm+ gun but game says 152mm 💩
Stupid weak internet and big file size.
Suffice to say I already Aced the Chimera with only 4 battles on it. Nice tank.
gentle wasp
Dang. Ace bars are broken but yea that is a beast of a tank
solid gate
Well I got some spotting damage with it which helped. Around 4K own damage plus I’d say at least 500 assistance damage got me the Ace.
gentle wasp
Nice. What was base xp?
solid gate
Let me look. I cannot rely on the personal screen as it has the x5 boosters. Though damage was 1,003 spotting and 4,029 personal damage.
1,237 base XP.
gentle wasp
Nice.
solid gate
Yep. Though I got shot like twice by a T34 and had a Bulldog and Centurion 1 do a bit of damage to me. Thankfully I survived with between 300 and 400 hit points left.
gentle wasp
The armor really works nicely top tier. And oh man the alpha
solid gate
Yeah. The alpha is great. I don’t think I’ve Aced Panther 8.8 but I’d found that thing can get troll bounces against lights and other mediums at least. I think Panther II should be slightly better as it has a bit better armor.
robust crescent
Should I buy free xp with gold to finish researching tiger II or buy a premium tank? I just want to hear some opinions before I choose.
thick trout
Don't buy free XP with gold, you can easily grind it
robust crescent
I’m not the best tiger I player though
But that is true I guess I could get it in probably 2 days
thick trout
And also if you are going to use free XP use it on modules not tanks, it makes things much easier
gentle wasp
^^^
thick trout
And see the grind as an opportunity to learn 🤷♀️
robust crescent
What’s the best premium tier 5 for grinding silver?
gentle wasp
Chi Nu Kai or Angry Connor (although both are pretty rare/overpriced)
robust crescent
Oof none of those are available
lyric oriole
Angry Connor is actually generally sold for about 9-14 bucks 2 times a year, one guranteed to be St. Patties Day
robust crescent
What about from the tanks that are always in the tech trees?
Like the t14, excelsior, pz5/4 those kinds
gentle wasp
Churchill III/T14 are decent. Although you are better off buying a t6 premium
robust crescent
I can’t afford t6
gentle wasp
you should save up. in the long run they are a better investment
pulsar tundra
^^^^^^^
robust crescent
Okay, thanks for the info
pulsar tundra
I would just save up till t7-8.... It may take awhile but u can make around 60k+ per game
lyric oriole
Also play events, if you do enough you might take away a decent Premium
pulsar tundra
like the new Anniversary tank
gentle wasp
@robust crescent yes like this event you can get the anniversary tank for free or very very cheap
robust crescent
Does it require any type of purchase like battle pass did for the thunder?
lyric oriole
Nope
gentle wasp
just playing battles basically., and installing the boosters when available. very straight forward
robust crescent
Okay, I will look forward to the rewards and those will probably help with the tiger II research as well
pulsar tundra
I do have a question though... The blitz avatar was given for 5 yrs w blitz. Will there be another? Like other than the cake.
gentle wasp
yes
@pulsar tundra if you trust pantouf I think he mentions them here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQrkv5sRQTE
pulsar tundra
thx
gentle wasp
np
north bloom
decided to check up on is4's armor
how is this still unnerfed
the thing is armored af even when angled like that
frigid cloud
what is spaced armor
pastel drum
sheridan is a big hunk of spaced armor
livid yacht
@robust crescent you can get the Excelsior for free from the Huawei app gallery
solid gate
Yea.. heavy paper. But it could be changed for 480k credits so...
robust crescent
Does the Vk90 crate guarantee that you will get the tank? I probably won’t buy it but I want to know in case it’s all just a big scam, I know most of war gaming a crates have insanely low drop rates for tanks
tulip sail
It's not a guarantee or a scam its random luck
robust crescent
Their crates have very confusing description and it makes it sound like you are guaranteed to get it so that’s why I asked. I am not buying it then because I have bad luck
strange thicket
Yea.. heavy paper. But it could be changed for 480k credits so...
@solid gate wdym heavy paper? you can bully meds with it
and since you are low tier most of them do not know about prammo and such
Does the Vk90 crate guarantee that you will get the tank? I probably won’t buy it but I want to know in case it’s all just a big scam, I know most of war gaming a crates have insanely low drop rates for tanks
@robust crescent there are charms which are essentially parts of the tank
i think after you collect an amount of them you get the tank so you guarantee the tank for X amount of bucks
they drop from the tank's container but i am not sure if this is present in the vk90.01p crates
robust crescent
I’m thinking about buying the Löwe is it worth it?
strange thicket
yes to print credits
but tiger 2 is better than that
gentle wasp
@robust crescent for a cheap first credit grinder yea but it is not the best tank
robust crescent
Which high tier do you recommend? I mostly want it to get credits
gentle wasp
what is your playstyle? what do you value in a tank, speed, alpha, penetration, armor, etc? the lowe is one of the best credit earners statistically but really it comes down to what premium you will do well in and play often
robust crescent
I like tanks with good armor and alpha
sage sage
e100
gentle wasp
what tank type? @sage sage he wants a prem
robust crescent
Like heavy?
valid dagger
haha anyone see the is6 deal?
sage sage
tech tree premium?
gentle wasp
yea heavy, light, td, medium. what kind of tank?
robust crescent
Heavy
sage sage
is-6 maybe
gentle wasp
ok. is5 is really cheap once you get the personal supply, T34 is a really good hulldown tank. chrysler k, exp, wz-112-2, action X, there are a lot of different t8 heavies
heavy sapphire
Like heavy?
@robust crescent Is5 from clan supply level 10 is quite good compared to is6 imo
valid dagger
yeah i think is6 deal sucks
gentle wasp
depends on what kind of tank you like
sage sage
is-6 deal doesnt seem that bad
valid dagger
is 6 can't bounce anything except a t49 but then you just shoot he or go to side or back
gentle wasp
the bundle is really good but the tank is average @robust crescent well take your time and look at stuff on sale, if you want to you can always PM me for my opinion on the tank. that should be enough to get a decent tank
robust crescent
I have 7,500 gold so that is the limit
valid dagger
I would have bought it if the is6 armor had a buff to make it more like the is4 at tier x (tier for tier ofc)
gentle wasp
yea idk how big the buff is going to be and how soon
valid dagger
probaably not, if there was news about a buff I'd definitely get the bundle
sage sage
5v5 still sounds boring
gentle wasp
@valid dagger there is going to be a buff in the near future
viral lodge
^
valid dagger
where did you hear that? probably just speculation
gentle wasp
look in #devs-answers not speculation.
don't ask me how soon "near future" means tho
valid dagger
oh fridgue, you're right!@gentle wasp I might get it lol
strange thicket
ok. is5 is really cheap once you get the personal supply, T34 is a really good hulldown tank. chrysler k, exp, wz-112-2, action X, there are a lot of different t8 heavies
@gentle wasp well they both don't earn as much
even if you do well in them
i average out 2500 in the EXP and it earns 80k-90k with boosters
heavy sapphire
@gentle wasp any news about the tiger 2 LFP nerf? im not able to pen this thing with tiger 1 pramo
gentle wasp
lol yea it might just be bait to get people to buy the bundle but you never know @heavy sapphire nope
valid dagger
can't wait for dpm buff for grille. (my fav t10 td) I think its already a great tank
gentle wasp
@strange thicket well it is better to have a tank you do great in that earns decent credits than a tank you suck in that makes amazing credits
valid dagger
does the is6 make more credits than the is5?
strange thicket
Lowe bullies the EXP tho 😂
with that gun it keeps nailing my weak spots
i am actually cautious against Lowes now and only peek-aboo with them
kind bluff
@valid dagger if you are a mad lad and use the dpm gun on the is-6 then damage for damage u will make more credits
gentle wasp
@valid dagger yes and yes
valid dagger
wait...wth is6 has 2 guns? I've only seen people running the 120mm (130? idk)
strange thicket
because it has way better penetration(the last gun)
gentle wasp
DPM gun and pen gun (they both are 122mm)
kind bluff
there is absolutely no reason to play is-6 with pen gun so why not use dpm gun
valid dagger
wow, you learn something new everyday. I'm tempted to buy it now
strange thicket
the dpm gun has 175mm or something
really sucks for a heavy
gentle wasp
you should be bullying meds in it so it works fine for that
kind bluff
^^^ if you use pen gun ur using a worse is-3 or is-something
valid dagger
lol, but bigger damage? why is everyone championing the low pen gun?\
gentle wasp
400 alpha still. the reload is shorter
strange thicket
not bigger damage it is the same alpha 400
just faster reload
also you will get bullied by meds sometimes too
valid dagger
also, why the heck is the kv4 getting armour buff. its already great. I'm a 50%er and I run that with 70% wr
strange thicket
idk it is not something you can just yolo in
i would rather bully meds in IS5
gentle wasp
@valid dagger most people struggle in it @strange thicket is6 offers a better gun
valid dagger
ima go look at the stats, brb
strange thicket
also, why the heck is the kv4 getting armour buff. its already great. I'm a 50%er and I run that with 70% wr
@valid dagger armor is noob proof but anyone who can aim can make it useless
crystal hare
If anyone’s wondering, this is the difference between the p.43 bis and the p.43 ann.
strange thicket
@valid dagger most people struggle in it @strange thicket is6 offers a better gun
@gentle wasp true but is-5 offers better armor
gentle wasp
@strange thicket fair enough, although if you play it right the is6's armor will stand up fine to most meds
valid dagger
but kv4 is in the middle of the pack, if anything t34 or is5 needs a buff or something
i don't get it but I have the tank so I'm not complaining 😂
gentle wasp
yea I don't know how Kv4 is that far up and T34 is performing so badly (by their charts)
strange thicket
but kv4 is in the middle of the pack, if anything t34 or is5 needs a buff or something
@valid dagger i would like to disagree with you
KV4 armor is useless against anyone who can aim plus the gun sucks on that thing
valid dagger
I think the gun is okay, are you using the tier 9 gun?
strange thicket
no i played against the tank
it is slow and troll or that is just my luck
but so far(played against it a lot) it doesn't really hold up much
gentle wasp
yea the armor is not as good as it should be and the gun is bad
valid dagger
well, I'd agree with you just so it can be buffed 😂 (don't mind buffs ,I'll take em)
gentle wasp
Lol there you go
valid dagger
now can everyone complain a little more? ;P
strange thicket
also t34 is a hulldown monster
but for the IS5 i would agree on buffing that thing
not armor wise but accuracy or for gods sake give it anything other than APCR as standard shell
valid dagger
lol I'm not even interested in going down the line to the is4, Kv4 is where it's at
gentle wasp
wow it is so slow maybe it needs speed buff... @strange thicket yea how is T34 so far down on the chart I don't understand
valid dagger
i have the t34 1996 i think, there is that one too (idk if its on the chart) got it free in event 3 years ago i think (i was a 40%er back then and not pay to win.
gentle wasp
I don't think it is but it is the same as the regular T34
valid dagger
not any difference? (other than camo)
gentle wasp
exactly the same
strange thicket
wow it is so slow maybe it needs speed buff... @strange thicket yea how is T34 so far down on the chart I don't understand
@gentle wasp idk mate i have seen too many noobs running the tank that is why
it is not noob-friendly you need to hulldown in that thing
it is much like the jgp2 and ferdi case
ferdi is noob-friendly and jgp2 is not
however jp2 is faster and generally better (imo cus someone will disagree) while ferdi is slow and easy to circle
it is dead meat 1v1
kind bluff
in wot pc theres a T34 who's only difference is that it's painted black but its like $50 more than the regular one @valid dagger
gentle wasp
@strange thicket referring to the T34? I feel like it is decently noob friendly, the gun is nice and all you have to do is hulldown, not angle or anything really. I agree with your JP-Ferdi point tho
valid dagger
hahah, that's ridiculous. but while we are on the topic of heavy tanks, how would you all rate the is4
gentle wasp
@valid dagger really really good.
kind bluff
one of the most braindead tier X tanks that does not require you to think at all and still win half the time
valid dagger
does the st1 suck? bcus I am literally always wrecking that tank in battles...
gentle wasp
nah it is a good tank @strange thicket you have a lot of room to work, hulldown is a pretty basic strategy
strange thicket
@strange thicket referring to the T34? I feel like it is decently noob friendly, the gun is nice and all you have to do is hulldown, not angle or anything really. I agree with your JP-Ferdi point tho
@gentle wasp t34 is not noob-friendly at all
hulldown is not just that simple (go to a ridge and you are done) it has a nice gun and turret but the hull sucks
and if anyone rushes you they will exploit that in their favor
that might be why it is down in the charts
valid dagger
I think the t29 has better hull armour than the t34 (and its one tier lower?)
strange thicket
does the st1 suck? bcus I am literally always wrecking that tank in battles...
@valid dagger stock? yes, fully upgraded? good luck dealing with it
valid dagger
must be noobs grinding it lol
I have lotsa free xp so I'll fully upgrade it first thing (when i get it)
gentle wasp
@valid dagger it does have better hull armor. just got buffed
strange thicket
i got leo pta during an event so i survived the stock grind lol
valid dagger
hahaha those events are great, uprising was the best for credits and xp though
strange thicket
yeah
heavy sapphire
More advice on tiger 1 needed. When top tier I used it to support other HTs and hulldown when needed, when low tier I help meds.
gentle wasp
I would play it opposite. when top tier you can be a pretty good heavy tank, but when facing t8 your armor will not stand up so you should go bully meds
valid dagger
I used to play it before the armour buff, now its an absolutely great tank to bully lights and meds
heavy sapphire
I find its armor quite good when Im angle my front plate and baiting shots, side scraping also works but not reliable since I get pens by pramo. I cant really help to earn a mastery in tiger 1.
unreal merlin
Can you guys bring back the low tier tanks of all tiers
valid dagger
^ big sad, i quit game for one year after that
unreal merlin
All lines
valid dagger
miss HE toaster in leo
strange thicket
why yall wanna club so bad damn
valid dagger
hahaha already club hard with lupus
covanenter from op onslaught was great. good clubber
unreal merlin
Has anyone thought about bringing low tier tanks back
valid dagger
^once again...I wish (I want them back too)
nocturne sage
Should I buy a t 9 or a t8 tank
gentle wasp
depends
nocturne sage
I have the m103 researched as my only t9 and my t8 are the is 3, at 15, the vk 100.01 p
viral lodge
VK 100 and the M103 T10s are great rn, AT line is the worst in the game affectively, and the IS-3 T10 is outclassed.
nocturne sage
So which one should I get
solid gate
M103 and research then get Mauschen.
nocturne sage
Ok thanks
solid gate
I should figure out what my first tech tree tier 9 should be.
haughty forge
I wonder if I can get E50 ausf m as my first x tier tank ( by the way I have Jpanther 2, Amx 13 75, kv3 , mt 25, su 152, Panther 1 and some more)
strange thicket
ok soo?
viral lodge
I mean FV4005 was my first T10
solid gate
Tier 8 is what I’m stuck on in tech tree. Lots of tanks to get through.
viral lodge
No rush for T10
solid gate
Besides the ones I own AND I have to work on at the moment I still have the T32, Pershing, T69, Pantera, VK 45.02 A, and Panther II to get and grind XP on for the next tank. I think that’s it though. If I missed any I may state them later.
Actually I was wrong. That’s not even close to them all. I also have the Russian, British, and uh the French ones too. Tons of tanks left to go.
unreal merlin
😳
valid dagger
anyone know how much it will be the T2020
proud arrow
@valid dagger about 50euros
valid dagger
oof, I think I'll stay away. I'm not into overspending on blitz (I do a little bit monthly, if there are good deals)
viral lodge
T-2020 is an IS-5 with spaced armour and a slightly better gun, aka its not great
karmic nymph
The turret is much worse though
And I think the sides are only 80mm with 10mm spaced armor in the front
viral lodge
ya, basically its a bad tank