vehicles-discussion

[supple bolt]

@remote bolt true

[steep ice]

@tame jungle NA?

[solid gate]

get grille 😂

[steep ice]

Is that good? @calm inlet @sweet peak

Anyone?

[glass otter]

@steep ice why supercharge

[steep ice]

Idk I think someone told me supercharge

[hollow moth]

Stock E50 > Stock M103

[glass otter]

@steep ice take refined off lol, you arent supposed to be frontline anyways

[tame jungle]

@steep ice I’m on NA too, I can help if ya want

[steep ice]

@glass otter so tell me what the rows should be like then 1/2 for each row i.e: 1,2,2

@tame jungle that would be awesome. Help me with what exactly? Like getting more stars? Wins?

[glass otter]

@steep ice Personally i would take both aiming time slots(V-stabs and EGLD)

[steep ice]

@glass otter better? Is that good everyone?

[tame jungle]

@steep ice just playin, winning, grinding

[steep ice]

@tame jungle I sent invites.

[hollow moth]

I'm playing the M103, any recommendations?

I might bought it recently so it's stock and with 77% crew

30% wr on it, 6 wins and 14 lost battles

Hull down isn't working too much, I'm having to work with less gun depression and the turret isn't that good

But at least my precision on it is awesome, 90.83% hit ratio

[solid gate]

@hollow moth just playing aggressively

Like is 4

[pine jolt]

I hope that the tank in the Fourth of July event is the Sherman oddball or the M1 Abrams

[tulip sail]

I highly doubt they'll add the M1 Abrams but I could definitely see them adding oddball's tank

[devout tapir]

I hope WG doesn't sell the M60 for $100 again.

[peak inlet]

Hey! Does anyone know if the chieftain will make a return in the shop?

[tulip sail]

Not sure which chieftain you're asking about but the answer is most likely

And I still find it hilarious I wound up getting the m60 for 5$

[peak inlet]

The Cheiftan Mk.6

[tulip sail]

My answers the same then they usually sell things multiple times same for a few exceptions

[peak inlet]

Ok cool thx! I’m a huge fan of modern tanks

[hollow notch]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the next thing in the shop as we are currently in the british section of premiums

[placid adder]

fv4202 needs a buff

[abstract narwhal]

Foch 155 too

[placid adder]

foch 155 is nerfed for reasons

fv4202 is a bit out of meta

[nova python]

Is it worth picking up the WZ-121 or the OBJ. 140 first?

[jagged linden]

I'm playing IS-7. Any recommendations, please ?

[barren heath]

Hulldown, hide the lower plate. Use your speed to relocate when necessary, do not camp. Be prepared to have pretty bad premium pen so consider using CS. Facehug when you cant escape

[jagged linden]

Okay, thanks !

[solid gate]

Pls WG add this to game
Modernized Hetzer with flamethower

[midnight wedge]

Can i get some tips for Hetzer.

[solid gate]

Tell me. I put on that armor same strong as T-90

@midnight wedge I found it was all about map knowledge just find a good spot to snipe at the back

[midnight wedge]

Oh ok thanks@solid gate .

[solid gate]

@solid gate Flamethrowers won’t do anything in game. Unless it has a main gun.

[broken turtle]

Pls WG add this to game
Modernized Hetzer with flamethower
@solid gate hetzer used to have the op 100mm that u just use HE only to destroy every single one in 1 or 2 shot. But it has been removed due too op

[rotund palm]

Bruh my Military Honor went down to 1 Star for Being Gone for few months

I barely even Played a Match and Yet it went down

[solid gate]

@solid gate hetzer used to have the op 100mm that u just use HE only to destroy every single one in 1 or 2 shot. But it has been removed due too op
@broken turtle i know, but this is Modernized Hetzer 😄

Strong enough to face modern MBTs

[tulip edge]

@rotund palm the only way your military honour goes below 3 stars is if you have received complaints.
If you were gone for a few months, having no praises means you would default to 3 stars. You cant go lower than that without complaints

[rotund palm]

Welp should i Grind for Praises or Just grind for the FV215B 183

[tulip edge]

Im sure if you grinded for the tank you would get praises along the way. Though I would never reccommend grinding that line

[rotund palm]

It's the only line I don't have yet

[tulip edge]

Ok

[rotund palm]

Since i mostly play Maus/ Jp E100

[tulip sail]

If it's the last line for you then I guess it's the only line you can grind

[neat nimbus]

So next week new line added?, I can't believe it

[solid gate]

guys, is the crusader good?

[hollow belfry]

@solid gate It’s got no armor and is rather slow for a light tank, but the gun is very good

[solid gate]

hmm thanks

[robust harness]

Which should I go for, progetto line or kranvagn line?

[sharp lion]

Kranvagn isn’t in the game yet so Progetto

[robust harness]

yes getting the xp from the tier 5 strv and free xp to do the line

I know kranvagn is a hull down beast, I have it on wot pc. Can anyone tell me the playstyle of the progetto?

[spice wasp]

is 268 bouncing something?

[fervent sand]

Do you know where we need to be in the EU line to start done the kranvagn line as soon as the update drops?

[spice wasp]

5 tier

[sharp lion]

Tier 5

[fast hawk]

Feels good 🤯

[solid gate]

maby stupid question, but how do i get a special tank like the gravedigger or tiger savage?

[split briar]

@solid gate By opening special crates, doing events, or buy them from gold/money when they appear in a store

[solid gate]

oke so just have to wait for it.... fine...

[split briar]

:/

[solid gate]

have opened some special crates, but had nothing special...:-)

@split briar thnx

[split briar]

@solid gate np and goooood luck man ;)

[broken sentinel]

@solid gate Tiger Savage is just the tech tree Tiger II with the legendary camo, not a special tank

[supple bolt]

Ahhhhhhhh

Ahhhhhhhh

[gentle wasp]

Ok

You good bro?

[ivory turtle]

he drank beer

[supple bolt]

Ahhhhhhh

[gentle wasp]

Lol

[supple bolt]

Aheaheahhhhhh

[thorn glacier]

I racked an is7 in an is7 and I feel bad for doing that to a brother 😔

[keen escarp]

I racked a 604hp stug with wz 131

[slender widget]

https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/the-british-chieftain-main-battle-tank/367338

[undone yew]

is 121 good

[broken sentinel]

yes, yes it is

[nocturne sage]

Any tips for the t20 aka the potato aka the most boring looking tank aka why is this even here and how should I play it (play style wise) and which gun to use and should I use hull down tactics

[broken sentinel]

@undone yew it has high DPM, high damage per shot (420 average), good mobility, a great turret, and 6° of gun depression.

@nocturne sage play relatively passively. It lacks in penetration and DPM but has great flexibility with 10° of gun depression, decent mobility, and great average damage per shot (225 average). Just be very careful since it has no armor.

[undone yew]

@broken sentinel yes should i get it over the 113

[nocturne sage]

Ok thanks for the help

[broken sentinel]

@undone yew no, you should get both 😉

[undone yew]

noice

113 is still decent in this game right

[broken sentinel]

It's objectively better than most tier 10 heavies at the moment

[undone yew]

i see in wot pc china is epicly powercreeped

[broken sentinel]

yeah, here they gave it the highest DPM of any heavy in the game

[undone yew]

oh that is objectively better,

is t34 2 good because it is shat in pc

[solid gate]

its got a nice turret

[undone yew]

gun?

[solid gate]

idk havent played it

[undone yew]

mk

[gentle wasp]

@undone yew gun is stupid good. has like 3k dpm

[undone yew]

oh it is solid then

[gentle wasp]

yea the gun is really nice and the tank as a whole is solid

[undone yew]

in pc its so bad

what is a bad chinese tank

[solid gate]

the t5 lmao

[undone yew]

t34?

i got my first ace tanker there

[gentle wasp]

@undone yew the td line is bad

[undone yew]

is that it lol

[gentle wasp]

there are only 3 lines

[undone yew]

ok what specific tanks are shat

[gentle wasp]

t8-10 tds seem bad. t6 and 8 meds are below average. t9 med is garbage.

[undone yew]

any heavies

[gentle wasp]

idk them really but they all seem mediocre/below average besides the 113

[gentle wasp]

Agreed

[solid gate]

is su152 accurate (for a derp gun)

[olive sky]

very accurate, almost never misses

[zealous anchor]

@solid gate hi dad

[solid gate]

@zealous anchor hi son

[heavy nacelle]

:/

[open solstice]

How to play t54?it seems I'm always target no.1 in the battle

[nocturne sage]

I’m regeting buy the m6a1e2 for 6.99 when it was on sale

[broken sentinel]

both premium M6's are garbage

[karmic nymph]

Isn’t the exp good

[nocturne sage]

It is

[broken sentinel]

People who don't know how to fight it think it's good, but it's not

[karmic nymph]

It was number 2 in the wr chart here

[solid gate]

Guys how is obj 263 tank line

[broken sentinel]

because no one knows how to fight it@karmic nymph

[fast compass]

Ferdinand is also the top td so...

[nocturne sage]

It’s mostly due to the front plate being a solid piece that’s flat and angle unlike the m6ae2 casted rounded hull

[karmic nymph]

Is tanks generally struggle against it from my experience, and is tanks are common

[nocturne sage]

Any tips for the m6a1e2 bc it seems like its always easily pennable bc mu turret roof is always pen and the turret are pen no matter how hard I try to wiggle it around (not to much bc I know that if I do it open a bigger weak point) and the hull seems unreliable

[solid gate]

Guys how is obj263 line

[broken sentinel]

Cupola, Turret Ring, Turret Cheeks, and Sides are all easily penned

[fast compass]

Hull cheeks as well, above the tracks.

[broken sentinel]

it has 41mm of armor behind the tracks, which means a lot of tanks can overmatch its side (mainly 130 to 150mm guns)

Not to mention the entire side of the tank is able to be HE'd by a ton of tanks

all this for a not-so-impenetrable front and trash DPM

[nocturne sage]

Don’t the m6a2e1 and the m6 exp share the same turret

As a potential buff (let’s be honest premiums are probably never gonna get a buff and definitely not a nerf for them) for the m6a2e1 increase the turret thickness and roof a bit, decrease the load time to 9.11 like in the t32 with a 100% crew and maybe increase the pen to 210 (and for the t32 bc 198 pen for a tier 8 heavy trash)

[broken sentinel]

lol no that's way too much

Maybe just the armor thing

[nocturne sage]

Yea maybe it was a lot. The amor should probably get but I mean the guns dpm is really bad hell the t29 has a better dpm then it and they have almost the same gun with the same pen

And while on the topic of premiums if I could ever have the chance to nerf the object 252u I say nerf the sides a bit not too much where u can’t side scrape but just enough to pen it vertically and with chances of a troll bounce and nerf the rear a small good bit

[broken sentinel]

For the 252U, I'd literally just nerf the sides and front upper plates. What an IS-7 is doing posing as a tier 8 is beyond me

[karmic nymph]

I like how easy it is to bounce shots in the side with a 252u. Like if you are going somewhere and tds shoot you they have a good chance of bouncing which is insane

[nocturne sage]

I say keep the front of the 252u as is but maybe nerf the lower plate just a bit bc I think the 252u is what heavy should be , frontline and leading a push, so keep they front as is bc there are ALOT OF heavy tanks that just camp. We all seen them before and don’t lie that you haven’t

[broken sentinel]

the upper plate is the main issue with the tank. the IS-5 is just completely outclassed by it simply because it has to worry about its angles. The 252U doesn't

[karmic nymph]

The lower plate is an ez pen, it’s just the side and rear armor that’s the issue cause what happens is that meds flank it but they regularly bounce which makes it able to single handedly stall them

[nocturne sage]

Yea the front plate is an issue and the driver should be made easier to pen when facing huggiig but not too easy though still want it to be able to lead a push

[karmic nymph]

It needs the front plate though, without it it’s just an is5

[nocturne sage]

I would also nerf pen but it faces t9 and t9 tanks have armor

[broken sentinel]

but that's the point. It's just a better IS-5 in it's current state @karmic nymph
@nocturne sage the pen is fine

[karmic nymph]

You still can’t take away it’s main strength. It’s pen is like an is3 so nothing special

I don’t think it’s fair to nerf something people paid for though. If anything they can make it so it can’t be used in tournaments and maybe even ratings

[broken sentinel]

it's main strength is having big alpha damage and putting great armor on a speedy chassis. Making that armor OP is not something that should be paired with great mobility

The terms of service clearly state that WG retains the right to change stats based on how they see fit, regardless of whether someone paid or not. Also, do you think it's fair that people have an advantage simply because they paid money?@karmic nymph

[nocturne sage]

Yea bc I once when behind an 252u and rear up close and it was all red. Granted I was I think playing a t7 but even then, the rear is always weak. But when u have a tank will armor that can’t be pen from the rear it’s a problem

[karmic nymph]

Just cause they can doesn’t mean they should. People bought it because it’s op.

[broken sentinel]

which is why it should be nerfed imo

people who buy stuff just because it's OP should have that exact advantage taken away from them

[karmic nymph]

And FYI I got mine from gold ads, I am f2p. That’s why it’s crushing to someone like me where their only (main) premium gets nerfed

[broken sentinel]

which is fine, but don't buy something just because it's OP

[nocturne sage]

I don’t think nerfing is bad. Yes it’s disappointing when something that’s op is nerf but balance is also a thing in games. Just look at how felt when the dead ringer was nerf in team fortress two. Yes it was a pretty massive in terms of use but it was needed

[karmic nymph]

Well if ima buy something, I ain’t gonna buy a bad tank now am I. I mean I can’t exactly get that many so it better be worth it

The issue isn’t that’s it’s op. The issue is that it’s so common. The t22 is op but it’s not ruining tier 10 cause it’s so rare

[broken sentinel]

What I'm saying is you shouldn't buy a tank because it's OP. You should buy a tank because you think it will help you out as a player and it will fit your playstyle. Buying something like the 252U will only make you rely on those OP features of the tank rather than allowing you to learn from it.

[karmic nymph]

Sidescraping fits my play style so I buy the 252u.

[nocturne sage]

I don’t want it to be nerf to the ocean floor but where it isn’t a tank to run into the enemy and easily stay alive for long

[broken sentinel]

That's not a playstyle, that's a tactic

[karmic nymph]

Fine, I like holding the line and pushing on tanks

[broken sentinel]

So why not buy a Lowe?

[karmic nymph]

Cause this is better.

Why would I buy something worse if I can only have 1?

[broken sentinel]

Exactly, it's lazy. You have to try harder to play a more competent tank.

[nocturne sage]

The Lowe is a kind of tall and the 252u is lower to the ground

[broken sentinel]

@karmic nymph what you're saying is exactly my point. The 252U will only prepare you to play that tank alone. You learn nothing from it other than you can beat actually balanced tanks with it. Learning the game by playing balanced tanks prepares you for other tanks by giving you small disadvantages.

[karmic nymph]

I want the tank so that I win and make credits. I have plenty of other tanks to learn from that I don’t have to pay for. I do have to agree though that I have been spamming the 252u to buy my tier 10s

[broken sentinel]

And guess what tank you're going to be playing most of the time... the 252U.

[karmic nymph]

That’s correct ngl. I need the credits to buy tier 10 tanks

[broken sentinel]

have fun trying to play a Grille when all you know how to play is the 252U, that's all I'm saying

[karmic nymph]

Still it’s not my fault wargaming is greedy and wants to sell op tanks, and I shouldn’t have to suffer for it by having them nerf my purchases. I would be super happy if they banned premiums from ratings (imagine that) or limited them to like 3 tanks per team. And like 200-300 games in one tank isn’t that much.

The truth is though they are never gonna nerf it cause it would hurt their business. Losing customer trust is not something they want at all

[nocturne sage]

Banning premiums from rating would be a GODLY UPDATE bc let’s face if ur driving an op tank and getting ratings faster it’s doesn’t really show skill

[broken sentinel]

You're not suffering by WG making your tank balanced. Keep in mind that by playing OP tanks, you're making the people you face "suffer" every time you play it.

Also, I've said this hundreds of times by now on this server. WG should take balance as a priority over customer feelings. A balanced game is way more interesting and fun than a game where you have to have the latest and greatest tank fresh from the WG premium shop to be competitive.

[nocturne sage]

@karmic nymph ik that wg would NEVER nerf premiums especially op ones it’s just a thought to throw out

[karmic nymph]

They don’t care about a balanced game. They care about making money. It would be incredible, like incredible if they banned premiums from ratings. The play would actually be interesting and I am sure the players wouldn’t mind at all

[nocturne sage]

At the end of the day wg is a company and companies need to make money and this the most profitable way and as sad as it sounds it’s the truth

[untold dirge]

I’ve finally gotten amx 13 75 and I don’t know what play style I should play. Any tips?

[split briar]

I never play scouts so idk. I also just got the m48 patton. And It's great tank :p

It should have a buff tho, its left behind

[strange thicket]

@broken sentinel EXP ain't trash or bad but ok
It is actually really good med range and is fairly good against tanks with mediocre accuracy
You basically need a laser cannon to be able to get all your shots on it
All you have to do in the tank is face the enemy constantly and it is really great on peek-a-boom
The only time it is actually so bad is when you get close to it unless the driver facehugs you and wiggles
It has really good penetration but the dispersion is meh
It really is not that bad wiggling in it reduces the chances of getting hit by a lot

@mortal obsidian yeah i know that is why i said it is bad when you get close to it
You resort to face hugging as a last try and wiggle while doing it
And if the tank is low profile enough then congratulations
You won

[valid lodge]

E25 slamming it's face against the side on an Exp

[tulip sail]

Or a smasher

[tender sand]

Yooo

How am I supposed to position my self with KV1 🤷‍♂️

[hollow belfry]

Try to sidescrape as the armor is pretty bad compared to tanks like the T1 heavy or BDR

[inland osprey]

Funny that the T1 Heavy and BDR G1B outperforms the KV-1 in terms of armor and mobility now

[hollow quiver]

The Kv1 nerf was completely uncalled for

[viral lodge]

It was called for, but T1 needs nerfing as well.

[hollow elk]

War gaming please

[solid gate]

Add them.

@hollow elk And what is that abomination?

@viral lodge Disagree with KV-1 nerf being called for. It could still be penned by most tanks on the front if it was not in side scrape position. The only tank that couldn’t ever pen KV-1 anywhere was M5 Stuart and that thing got moved down a tier. They just turned KV-1 into a meh tank and over buffed the T1.

[tender sand]

To be honest I am really satisfied with KV1 hahahaha

Only problem with KV1 is that this tank is without any upgrades very slow and not that mobile but later he becomes a monster damn

[solid gate]

Eh I’d rather not play KV-1 nowadays. I want to remember it for what it was not the meh tank it is now.

[humble storm]

Hey what do you guys think of the T32? I am really not enjoying playing as it.

[gentle wasp]

people whine about the pen but other than that it seems really solid.

[lyric oriole]

T32 is a great heavy, it's like a slightly slower medium, but it's overall a great tank.

[gentle wasp]

its a real pain to dig out of a spot. armor is really good

[lyric oriole]

The Penetration might seen a bit low, but the accuracy is more than enough to nail weakspots without much issue

[tulip edge]

If I see a t32 hulldown I dont even bother engaging it. Its just a pain to even try

[humble storm]

So the things that I don't like about T32
Same damage as T29
Not much more hp
And not much pen

[gentle wasp]

@humble storm it has the same gun stats, but the handling is a lot better. also gets a little more speed and more armor. 350 hp seems like a lot

[lyric oriole]

And nevermind the fact that T32 has a better shape to work with and not a centered Cupola like T29

[bronze plaza]

American Tanks are Owerpowered

[alpine notch]

@humble storm Its basically worst T34, but with smaller strong turret instead giant ones like T34 or T30. And also worst pen i guess since the top gun was 105mm from T29 tank (tbh, more like a medium-like pen than heavy)

Everything on that tank is decent imo, somewhat close to jack-of-all-trades tank like how on US tanks doctrines are mostly..

[gentle wasp]

@alpine notch yea idk why you are comparing it to a T34 they are pretty different

[alpine notch]

Same playstyle imo, hulldowns, despite T34 being premium though..

[gentle wasp]

34 is a big boom but more big and paper-ish

[alpine notch]

Lets just say or agree that T32 is a giant Pershing shall we? :P

[untold dirge]

any opinions on the B-C 25t?, since its the next I'm going to grind for

[gentle wasp]

pershing sucks lol @untold dirge it seems pretty bad

[lyric oriole]

It's pretty mediocre from what I hear, sluggish and not great armor

[humble storm]

Hey what about Indien pz?

[gentle wasp]

underrated, although Panther II is probably better

[lyric oriole]

Bad medium, has nothing going for it

[untold dirge]

oof, i guess ill look for another line then

[humble storm]

Okay...

[alpine notch]

@humble storm Its not kind of tank that you wanna play probably... if you are not used to control gun bloom correctly, Indien is worst for new players imo

[lyric oriole]

Better off Researching Leo PTA from RU 251

[gentle wasp]

lol. I bought it back to rehab and was surprised. the gun is really snappy and the armor is trollish, but it is more of a luxury tank than something you should grind through

[lyric oriole]

Indien is like a Budget Panzer 58, but suffers a lot more in terms of what it loses

With a heavy tank meta now as well Indien is very strongly advised against

[alpine notch]

@gentle wasp Best sniping tank yea, rivals Panther II or Centurion I

[gentle wasp]

the pen is really nice and it has decent enough mobility. I am fine calling it a very mediocre tank

[viral lodge]

@solid gate KV-1 was the ultimate clubbing tank before they over buffed the T1, I played KV-1 pre nerf and it was absolutely broken vs lower skill players, just sidescrape and they cant figure out how to pen you, it is still a workable tank still, ill take a crap tank over an over buffed one.

Only clubbers want KV-1 back to pre nerf status.

While it may of been overnerfed id rather it stay nerfed then risk it getting overbuffed.

[solid gate]

I’m not a clubber but I do wish they’d buff it. Not necessarily back to what it was but they shouldn’t have nerfed the accuracy on top of the armor. Also the side armor nerf was a bit much in my opinion. 75 to 57 was too much at once. They should have nerfed the side armor to like 65mm or something to start off with and if that wasn’t enough then go down another 5mm. 57mm is really odd as that’s the same as the rear armor but without the funky rounded bit or any angles the rear might have.

[solid gate]

@viral lodge By the way seal clubbing technically exists at every tier. Especially since update 5.5.

[viral lodge]

I go by 1-6 is seal clubbing, 7-10 is noob stomping.

[solid gate]

Eh I don’t count tiers V and VI as clubbing. Especially 6. Those are mid tiers. Granted they screwed up the true low tiers (1-4) when they did 5.5 so the newbies get to the mid and high tiers a lot faster and seal clubbing at those low tiers isn’t much of a thing anymore.

[hollow belfry]

Sealclubbing is between T1-10 because newbies/incompetent players are not limited to low tiers

[viral lodge]

5 and 6 are 100% seal clubbing. mid tiers are 7-8

[solid gate]

Nope

[viral lodge]

🤔 you sound like a clubber

[solid gate]

Mid tiers aren’t clubbing tiers. You’re opinion is in disagreement with mine and call it at that.

Actually no. I play tier 8 for grinding and the tiers below that on occasion for fun but not clubbing fun. I don’t wish to club the seals but grinding gets boring so have to change it up every now and then.

[viral lodge]

I have no problem with occasionally playing lower tiers.

[solid gate]

If I stomp a newbie that’s not my intent. I just play for fun not to club.

[viral lodge]

tier 1-6 are very clearly seal clubbing to me, maybe 1-2 players are experienced.
7 is a mix

[solid gate]

Still seal clubbing of the past was ruined by 5.5 update so now seal clubbing is at every tier from 5 to 10. My opinion sure but that’s how I see it.

[viral lodge]

They are just noobs if they are still bad 7-10 for me, 5-6 is still newbie territory to me since you can get there in affectively a day or 2. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid gate]

I don’t count 1-4 because it’s much more rare to find anyone down there. Even the newbies progress beyond those tiers really quickly.

[viral lodge]

1-3 is bots, 4 is just hell, 5 and 6 are the seals, 7 is transitioning tier.

[solid gate]

Eh. Let’s just agree to disagree.

[viral lodge]

fine by me

[solid gate]

Anyway I’d love to have the OF 40s Mk 1 and 2 and the Jaguar in game.

Also I think the Italian mediums could be reworked as Wise Allen had said. The P43 ter could be removed and replaced with something. I don’t remember what he said exactly but his idea wasn’t bad.

[gentle wasp]

sounds amazing lol

[solid gate]

Well I think I’ll ask the guy what his plan was. Also TE says Progetto 46 is fake and I cannot find if the Progetto 65 is fake or a blueprint or what.

[gentle wasp]

yea it is fake, tanks-encyclopedia.com has a couple good articles about them

[solid gate]

Well P43 ter isn’t a thing either. It may be a version of the P43 bis? Honestly I think they just broke the bis into 2 tiers for the heck of it. However there supposedly was a P43 and then the bis version and they are missing the P26/40.

Pantera I cannot find anything on either. It might have been idea at least though. Honestly don’t know. Standard B isn’t even Italian but is a predecessor to the Leopard I and II B prototypes. Tier 8 is the only one I cannot figure out if you went normal guns instead of autoreloaders. Tiers 9 and 10 could be OF 40s maybe. If you did OF 40 as tier 10 where you had to upgrade parts on it that wouldn’t flow with what Wargaming has. Only the E 100 and Foch now have a change of modules and that is the gun. Having to upgrade turret and gun at tier 10 would be weird. Of course you could do Leone as tier 9 then OF 40 Mk 1 as tier 10 tech tree and then OF 40 Mk 2 would be premium/collector.

[hollow elk]

@solid gate i found it on Reddit

[undone yew]

wh

[tiny plume]

not reading that probably fake

[broken parcel]

You can seal club at any tier. Seal clubbing is the bullying of new players. You can seal club at tier ten because a lot of tier nine and ten payers spent to get their premiums

[hollow belfry]

^

[solid gate]

@whole karma It should get a traverse buff and/or it’s old armor back.

A bigger traverse buff if you don’t give it the old armor back. If you give it the old armor back a smaller traverse buff would still be nice in my opinion.

is5 or is3?

@solid gate IS-5

[sinful sinew]

is the wz 121 better or the wz 113

[undone yew]

both are good

[hollow belfry]

@sinful sinew 121 for the mobility and aim time, 113 for the armor, dpm (121 has low HEAT pen so you better use CS from what I’ve been told)

[sinful sinew]

thart wat about maus vs e100

[kind bluff]

No

[untold dirge]

i got it for 2k

[hollow belfry]

nah, just get a VK 36.01 H

then buy the real Tiger at T7

[kind bluff]

It’s not good and that’s not buffed either so

[low elk]

131 is a fine tank
its a good collectors item

[hollow belfry]

If you aren’t a collector then just forget about it. Not worth it imo

[low elk]

131 is a good collector
thats it

[glossy sequoia]

u can have tog instead of 131 xd

[cursive wyvern]

this shouldn't be possible but it happened what is going on

[wise moth]

@cursive wyvern Did you have a platoonmate?

[cursive wyvern]

welp there we have it lol thanks im dumn

[gentle mountain]

New British lights are they branching off from Comet on the tech tree?

[zealous anchor]

Yes@gentle mountain

[solid gate]

@gentle mountain Sadly yes. It’s stupid in my opinion as they could have started it at tier 6.

[next solstice]

Maybe not enough light tanks to add?

[solid gate]

@next solstice Pfft. Nope. There is the A46 and the actual FV301 (the one being added is actually the Vickers Medium Cruiser Mk 1) plus the Scorpion and it’s proposed 90mm variant. Also I’ve found a Warrior with a turret and gun. Basically a Warrior turned into a light tank. Also you have a thing called AVR (Armored Vehicle Reconnaissance) and the VFM 5. Now the CV90 105 TML seems to not be truly British but was created by the Swedish. ASCOD also seems to be a joint Spanish Austrian thing but they made a light tank with 105mm too. Think Defense UK seems to have put those in there for some reason. Of course they also claim there is the Warrior LT with a 90mm and a 105mm. I could go on but Wargaming just was lazy and didn’t do more research themselves.

[next solstice]

i c

[keen escarp]

Like the St I.

[brittle jay]

Why do i have this engine?

i cant find where i got it anywhere

its the M120A so i shouldnt even be on another tank

[solid gate]

What other British tanks do you own?

why I play the ue 57 for 1 year, I cant buy the sau even though it cost 2500 experience but I Have about 100000 experience on the ue57, something about research preceding modules

[tepid marlin]

Do you think the Death Star is still good

[calm inlet]

its terrible

its the worst Tier 10 by far

[hollow notch]

It's bad, but still fun to play

[sturdy bane]

i’m assuming the Kranvagn’s legendary camo will be Kranvagn Viking

how could it not

[zealous anchor]

Kravagn Ikea

[hollow belfry]

^

[solid gate]

Is the t34 85 a crap tank

Damn

[karmic nymph]

The t43 imo is like the t34 85 yet better in every way, making it feel so good. It’s what the t34 85 wishes it was

[pastel drum]

@karmic nymph I like how you compare a tier 7 to a tier 6

[karmic nymph]

I meant that it feels so much better. Like the t34 85 sucks but the t43 is really good, in their respective tiers. It’s like comparing the kv2 and the smasher

[pastel drum]

He asked about the T 34 85 and then you start comparing the 85 to the T43, the tank it leads to. And as we know most of the time higher tier tanks are better than lower tier tank.

[karmic nymph]

You right, I misread what he said.

[broken turtle]

idk, but does anyone think the t20 good?

[solid gate]

Havent driven it i see it as free damage

[broken turtle]

it's seems to be exactly the t23e3 but slower

[karmic nymph]

What about the 90mm gun on it.

[broken turtle]

nah it just makes the tanks slower

no armor, just a bit pen, slow = such terrible

[jagged linden]

Why do i have this engine?
Same. This is... Wierd. I own only Matilda and Comet.

[glossy sequoia]

give progetto 65 slightly more HP on Engine cause it poorly accelerate for an almost paper mt

also poor tracks ;-;

[solid gate]

progetto is not paper, sometimes its armour is extremely steep and u get troll bounces

[hollow belfry]

That’s only for the upper plate due to it’s slope, or for the mantlet.

A Progetto isn’t likely to bounce if you shoot other places.

[glossy sequoia]

ik progetto is troll on front but only for small calibers

[solid gate]

How is foch tier x tank guys

[stone rampart]

do you guys know If chief mk6 is coming to store?

[fast compass]

foch is amazing, one of the stronger tier 10 tds. it has amazing mobility, well armoured to bounce a bit and an autoloader. accuracy is a bit lack luster but you cant have everything, can you?

[dense geode]

Why Hetzer is to good in armor but is a sh*t in damage?

Sorry that 'letters'

[broken turtle]

well the damage is fine, just some problem with the penetration @dense geode

[bitter lichen]

I think the pen on the AX is a bit crappy. But I guess that's just the way to counterbalance the excellent gun handling

[sharp spindle]

I've had the IS-8 for a while now, and I'm only 30k xp from the IS-7. Any tips for finishing up the grind?

[solid gate]

Yes play more battles to get the 30k

[sharp spindle]

I was asking for tips for how I should play. I know I need more battles for 30k.

[pine jolt]

For premium add TKS Tankette for tier 3 with machine gun or gun barrel upgrades

[tulip sail]

I could see them using the 20mm version but definitely not the mg armed one since it's a regular rifle caliber and wouldn't do anything

[gentle shard]

I dont know whats the point of IS-8 being a heavy tank

Should I buy and grind AT series to grind 183 or can I just free xp most of them

[gentle wasp]

no because that whole line is complete garbage

[hollow belfry]

@gentle wasp The whole line is garbage including the T10 (worst tank in it’s tier). Free exping or playing this line is a waste

[thick trout]

The AT8 is actually a brilliant tank if you can bear the speed, can't comment on anything else apart from the 183 ruining tier 10 🤷‍♀️

[tulip sail]

Get it to collect the tanks but I dont recommend playing them

[valid lodge]

At15 was fun. Not a fan of anything else really aside the tier 4/5.

[crystal lantern]

imagine grinding the 183 line 🗿

[tulip edge]

In my opinion, the AT15 is where the line becomes more bearable.

[gentle wasp]

the Tort sucks tho

[hollow belfry]

Tortoise is a worse Jagdtiger

[tulip edge]

I am fortunate in the fact that I played through the line a few years ago, when the line wasnt completely awful and the at 15 and tortoise were pretty viable. How they are now is pretty sad. I also saw an at 15a for the first time in like 2 years yesterday

[hollow belfry]

I didn’t touch the AT line and will certainly not do.

[valid lodge]

At7/8 made me. Wasn't in a happy place. At 15 was really fun. Tort made unpleasant so I free xp'd the rest.

[twilit belfry]

What do you guys think about the manticore?

[lyric oriole]

Yes, the Vickers Light

[snow zodiac]

It might be a bit overcooked with that DPM and cheap hesh

[alpine notch]

@twilit belfry Less ammo count despite having greatest camo for a light tank, good view range as well, but very limited in every offensive aspect

Is it just me or Manticore chassis resembles AMX lights line (rear turreted doctrine) and now Vickers LT chassis resembles on how Sheridan line is (middle turreted doctrine)?

[ocean maple]

Give e4 some watermelon

[solid gate]

Petition to add the Sexton

[viral lodge]

Artillery wont be coming to blitz.

[gentle wasp]

thank god

[solid gate]

@viral lodge sexton isn’t an arty... is it?

[viral lodge]

It is Artillery...

[gentle wasp]

lol what did you think it was

[solid gate]

A td.... a lot like the t40

[viral lodge]

Na it is very clearly a Artillery

[tulip edge]

Lets add the T92 with its 240mm while we are at it

[solid gate]

New petition: Add the grizzly MEDIUM TANK

[viral lodge]

Based on this it would literally just be anotherT5/6 Sherman Prem...

[tulip edge]

When you said grizzly, I thought of the tank from Halo

[solid gate]

I know it would be a prem but I think we can add a few Canadian tanks

[viral lodge]

So basically T5 sherman, but without rubber in the tracks.. That is the only difference besides it being made in canada, its not even like the M4 Rev which has a unique gun. or FL10

[gentle wasp]

might be a reskin opportunity

[viral lodge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid gate]

Canadian tanks are literally just reskins/modifications they don’t have any tanks besides ram to put in the game

We could add the sexton just not an arty... have it a td

It’s not gonna work as a TD

😔... ok

[viral lodge]

If you want a paper TD go play the Nashorn line.

[solid gate]

😂

[untold dirge]

add panhard ebr 105 please, wg

[hollow belfry]

We already have missiles, no need to make this game even worse than it already is by adding wheeled vehicles.

[nocturne sage]

I reall fricking hate the t32 TERRIBLE GUN PEN. The super Pershing which has a 90M GUN, a smaller caliber gun, has MORE PEN POWER THAN THE 105 in the t32. The SP pen is 205, with regular ammo, than the t32 198. And worst part is that when u research the next tank, THE STOCK GUN IS THE 105. 198mm of pen IS NOT CUT IT IN t9 battles. Wg plz the next update, not the one with the British light tanks, GIVE THE 105 a buff in pen or at least remove the 105 as the stock for the m103

[tiny plume]

You’re terrible

No they aren’t removing the stock now stop complaining

[viral lodge]

Welcome to stock grinds, they arent meant to suck for a reason, if they didnt FXP wouldnt be as valuable.

[sharp spindle]

I'm going to get the IS-7 soon, but I need around 3m credits. What's a good way to grind them out?

[tulip sail]

Running boosters premium time while running a lowe or an angry connor

[tawdry depot]

Buff the T49 It cant Run at 40-50 kph and fire with 99% chance to hit No other light tank can defeat it On its tier!

[solid gate]

But my Mk. 1 defender can

[pastel drum]

@tawdry depot oooh, if only you remember T49 when it firm came out... it was a wet dream

[broken parcel]

people are dissing my countries tanks.
Leopard 2A6M would like to chat with you.

[tawdry depot]

I remember especially When the T49atm came

[frigid burrow]

Struggling with Leo PTA any pro tips ?

[solid gate]

Skip it

[solid gate]

I need to look when it was uploaded but TE has a center/rear turreted Light MBT called TH-301. That’d be a good tank to add.

[sharp spindle]

I'm only 15k from researching the IS-7, what's the best way to get the creds for it?

[solid gate]

Also Leopard 1 is just the 1 and not 1A1 or something like that right? Though wonder why they couldn’t have done the Leopard PT A and PT B as separate tanks if that is not the case then have the Leopard 1A3.

[solid gate]

@solid gate that’s not how the leopard Alterations work

leopard pt b is standard b (at least according to wargaming wiki)

Different leopard prototypes each leopard prototype had a lot of visual and numerous differences

[solid gate]

@solid gate I didn’t say they would use the Prototypes as one tank. I was saying use the PT A and the PT B as 2 tier nines. Sadly PT I and II Bs didn’t get any further as Porsche won the whole competition.

@solid gate Nah. Standard B is what it was called before that. Well it was Standard Panzer from group B. There were 3 groups A, B, and C then there was the French Prototype which became the AMX 30.

[wanton swan]

Add the T-100-LT as a tier 10 collectors tank

[solid gate]

T100 as in turreted su100y?

[tranquil trench]

first of all, not in a collector status but better in tech tree, and second thing its a tier 10 russian light tank

[bitter lichen]

Give the AX a 32 pounder gun lol

[tulip sail]

As a second gun I dont think that's too bad an idea as long as it's got the stats to match it with the current gun in order to be up to the players preference like how the jagdtiger 8.8 is

[solid gate]

remove the top gun and buff the 88mm, it should be a jagdtiger 8.8 not jagdtiger 10.5

[nocturne sage]

How easy is it or how common is it to hit the king tigers commanders hatch

[twilit belfry]

Obj 273 e should be a reward tank for the best of the best players meaning it cant be found in containers or any event. The best players deserve some sort of compensation for their skills yknow

[karmic nymph]

The cupola is kinda hard to hit, especially in a soviet tank in my experience.

[nocturne sage]

Yea lately my commanders hatch has been hit lately I used to think it was that the other tanks were prem rounds but then I took 149 from a bulldog and so I asked if it’s easy to hit it

[bitter lichen]

@tulip sail yea, I hope they can do something like that in the future, adding 2 different gun to fit different player's playstyle

[solid gate]

inst the tier X british light basically a leopard 1 with hesh, both are paper and fast. Only heard about this now, just returned to blitz after a couple years

[solid gate]

New Premium EU tank?
Cen it happen?

[tacit gull]

I’ve got enough gold for Lowe or any tanks in the bundle should I wait for a sale?

[solid gate]

Yeah

[broken sentinel]

@tacit gull Occasionally WG will put out the Lowe in a really great bundle. They've done it quite a few times in the recent past, so I'd keep my eyes open if I were you

[solid gate]

We should a tank that only fires topidos ;)))

[vagrant hornet]

@solid gate XD

We should have a 152mm gun on AMX ELC

[twilit belfry]

Should IS3D have a much lower next shell reload or clip reload?

[hollow notch]

No

[twilit belfry]

...

[fast compass]

it already gets 1200 potential in tier 8, it doesnt need to dump it in a short time

[blissful rune]

who cares when the is3a is coming

[fast compass]

Sauce

[ebon parrot]

I am about at the point to where I'm able to get another IX and it's a choice between the ST-1 and the Mauschen. I would to hear some opinions on the two tank

[hollow notch]

St is a much better tank. The armor on the mauschen does not work

[solid gate]

@tulip sail I wonder if there was a JagdTiger 10.5cm or at least a proposal for a 10.5cm on the JagdTiger. Of course if not then that one guy has a point for historical reasons but realistically the JT 8.8cm is a bit of a joke in a way.

[ebon parrot]

ok thanks for the tip

[tulip sail]

@solid gate you mean the sd.kfz 185?

[solid gate]

@tulip sail I don’t know anything about the sd.kfz designations.

[untold dirge]

any thoughts on the t62a?

[tawny sky]

Hi

ANY THOUGHTS ON THE OBJ. 252U?!
I mean literally, when I hit the lower plate of it, the bullets some how disappears
Wargaming re fix your game, or either buff OBJ.

Rhm Borsig is great!
Use HE ammo and hit in back of the tiger ll
One shot!

[tranquil trench]

252u doesnt need the buff, its already pretty good, borderline OP

[hollow belfry]

As the cupolas are fairly tiny removing the only frontal weakspot is kind of a nonsense

[hollow notch]

You guys understood what he typed?

[hollow belfry]

1. He complains about his shells disapeearing when he hits the 252u’s lower plate, and then asks them to buff the tank (1st nonsense) and to fix their game. Secondly, he supposedly pretends to be able to 1 shot a Tiger II using a Borsig (2nd nonsense). Unless you run CS, you’re not likely to full HE pen a Tiger II, even from the rear. Not to mention he also implies being able to 1 shot a tank with 1700 hp using an HE shell that rolls for up to 1200 dmg. @hollow notch

Overall, it indeed is a nonsense. This game is full of 40%ers, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a handful of them here ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow notch]

Lol

I appreciate t he time you took to translate that

[hollow belfry]

Take each part separately and you might eventually understand some of it. Put it all together and it’s a complete mess.

treat such messages like unpeeled shrimps, get the job done step by step @hollow notch 🤣

[haughty forge]

Need some advice on su152, if i use too much golden i will completely lose all of my credits

[hollow belfry]

spam HE then or play your premium tanks.

[haughty forge]

HE? That is a good idea also this tank has troll armor

[twilit belfry]

What is the best equipments for IS 4?

[hazy maple]

@twilit belfry I would say enchanced armor would make it very strong

Tested 265mm pen APCR against the E75 turret and with enchaned armor it always bounced, without enchaned armor I got penned most of the time

[twilit belfry]

Okay thanks

[astral birch]

252u doesnt need the buff, its already pretty good, borderline OP
@tranquil trench 252U Must be is nerfed in the frontal armor for the good balance of the game......

[gentle wasp]

no

[viral lodge]

252 wont get nerfed and it is easy enough to deal with just learn its weakpoints.

[tranquil trench]

@astral birch they wont nerf it. its a premium tank.

[wind patio]

I would love to see this thing enter wot blitz

[keen escarp]

I liek the Wz 111 1G FT

[tulip sail]

@solid gate
Sd.kfz 185 is the designation for the 8.8cm armed jagdtiger

[solid gate]

@tulip sail Ok but what about a 10.5cm or is that made up to an extent?

[tulip sail]

While I haven't seen anything personally on it I've been told there was a prototype of it but didn't get produced

[keen escarp]

No one lieks wz 111

[tulip sail]

I like it

[solid gate]

WZ-111 isn’t the best heavy of that type and I cannot break even with WR in it. I have close to 90 battles in it too I think. Not that big a number realistically but big for me.

[gentle wasp]

pretty sure he means the td

[devout flicker]

I have 11k gold rn, should i pay a bit more for the action x or wait for another tank?

[tulip sail]

I just like them both bc I've found them an easy fight

[jagged linden]

I have 11k gold rn, should i pay a bit more for the action x or wait for another tank?
My opinion : Wait, in case 252u is getting back in the shop

[viral lodge]

252 was literally just sold. @jagged linden It wont be back for a while probably

[jagged linden]

Ooooh, okay

[devout flicker]

hmm

[viral lodge]

@devout flicker the AX is overpriced tbh, I bought it, its not a fun tank, its a very strong tank and that is the only reason to play it. Chimera a lot more fun for me.

[devout flicker]

yea, the price was pushing me away a bit. ill wait and hope something good shows up

[ebon parrot]

Fun fact about the chimera, it was the UK counter to the IS3

[jagged linden]

Nope. UK counter for IS-3 was the FV215b Cal. 183mm, the "IS Killer". Unfortunatly, the tank never saw the light of day...

[solid gate]

You all do know the manticore is the actual chimera

[twilit belfry]

Speaking of LTs what are your thoughts about the german Rheinmetall panzerwagen?

[limber aurora]

Don’t that suck in pc?

[solid gate]

@ebon parrot also wargamings description not at all validated nor true

[ebon parrot]

That is true

[solid gate]

The wargaming part being untrue is the description over all is purely forged

[solid gate]

@gentle wasp You mean the WZ-111-1G FT? That thing is crap.

[gentle wasp]

i thought that is what he was talking about

[solid gate]

Maybe but he merely said WZ-111.

[keen escarp]

Yes

Its the td and its not crap.

@gentle wasp

Who got the fv 217 for 20k g

[gentle wasp]

ok

[solid gate]

The WZ-111-1G FT is crap. The gun depression is only 6 degrees and the armor is trash no matter what distance you are at. It’s not a fun TD to drive.

[calm inlet]

i loved that tank

its basically a 268 at Tier 8

[keen escarp]

Wz 111 can block many shots.

123.4 armor... @calm inlet and thank you.

[hollow notch]

Try the tier 9. That is truely a garbage tank.

[solid gate]

Eh I didn’t have that good of an experience with the tier 8 one. Tier 7 was pretty poor to. Hate both.

[calm inlet]

Tier 9 is OP for me lmao

im #1 in NA for 30 days

[solid gate]

Tier 6 is the only good one I’ve found so far.

[calm inlet]

2800 average damage or so? its awesome

[hollow notch]

The dpm is actual garbage

[solid gate]

Well the tier 8 needs better hull armor. Of course maybe I was being too aggressive with it too often. Still it doesn’t seem like a long range sniper either.

[calm inlet]

DPM is trash but it has insane pen

so its balanced

[solid gate]

Honestly I’m glad to be done with the tier 8. Hate that thing.

[calm inlet]

and with the consumable, it becomes the most accurate 152mm in the game

[solid gate]

Right now have to work on the other 2 Chinese tier 8 tanks, the VK 100, the Borsig, and the T49.

[calm inlet]

T-34-2 is awesome

WZ-110 is a little vanilla but decent

[gentle wasp]

not the crates

[minor mica]

Yea I just made my mind rn

Might as well get the badger and some tier tens back a few nines if I have some credits left

[hollow notch]

Wz110 is just a better is3

[calm inlet]

IS-3 is good wym

it has the best 122mm of all the IS clones, and has a Tier 10 level turret

[hollow notch]

I'm not saying the is3 is bad, just that the 110 is better. Basically the same turret, better pike, and a consistent gun

[next solstice]

Did they buff the turret roof.
Facehugging an IS3 suddenly felt alot harder than usual

[calm inlet]

a long time ago

it got buffed to 50mm thick

[keen escarp]

Ya the pen is insane

Stock is 248 pen and 66.5k xp gun is 245 pen. So it can go through tiger 2

[hardy sparrow]

The WZ-111-1G FT is crap. The gun depression is only 6 degrees and the armor is trash no matter what distance you are at. It’s not a fun TD to drive.
@solid gate the fudge you say to me lil shot

[brave leaf]

Is the 60tp polish tank coming? Because they showed the 50tp polish tank

[keen escarp]

Man...

[nocturne sage]

How big is the tiger 2 commander hatch hit box is bc it seems that a lot of people can it and how reliable or the king tigers turret cheeks are

[karmic nymph]

@nocturne sage your cheeks are a weak point but they aren’t super weak, at least from a distance. If your turret is turned though you will be penned through the sides very easily. The cupola is hard to shoot so it’s unlikely that it’s where you are constantly getting penned. Also if you are below someone they might be penning the roof.

[nocturne sage]

Ok thanks especially on the cupola part bc sometimes it feels, even on flat ground, when I see the shells vapor trails it’s seems to be on roof or cheeks

[karmic nymph]

@nocturne sage I mean they could be penning the cupola if they are good and have an accurate gun. Just saying that if an is5 is repeatedly penning your turret they probably ain’t penning your cupola.

[nocturne sage]

Should I use calibrated shells for the tiger 2 top gun or go with the rammer

[solid gate]

rammer, you dont need penetration

[broken sentinel]

On the top gun, use rammer

[haughty forge]

What about su 152? Rammer or calibrated shells

[broken sentinel]

Use the tier 6 derp gun and calibrated shells

[solid gate]

depends. If you want more HE pen,calibrated, if you have problems with the reload, rammer

[haughty forge]

I don’t need penetration most of the time

[broken sentinel]

It's way more useful to use calibrated shells because you guarantee the penetration most of the time

[solid gate]

^

[haughty forge]

I will just use Golden if I need to

[solid gate]

gurantee pen on HE*

[nocturne sage]

Ok thx

[haughty forge]

Maybe I will use it when my crew is 100%

[broken sentinel]

Your HEAT goes up to 275mm of pen. I think you'd much rather have that (rather than 250mm) against tier 8 tanks as well.
Your HE goes over 90mm as well, which makes it possible to pen the sides of a ton of heavies and most mediums

[solid gate]

your HEAT is what you will be spamming at tier 8 , so calibrated is really the better option unless you really hate the reload

[broken sentinel]

^^^

[haughty forge]

Yeah I will use it when my crew hits 100% but now I need faster reload ( rammer reduces reload time by 1+ second)

[solid gate]

i suppose that makes sense. Though i tend not to buy equipment for tanks I'm grinding, I only buy equips for prems or tier 10s, or tech tree tanks i really really like

[broken sentinel]

Honestly the reload doesn't mean much on the SU-152. If you find yourself needing that extra second off the reload, you're not positioning yourself correctly

[solid gate]

the russian derps have a dumb amount of camo for the massive guns they have, so you can just camp at the back and probably wont be spotted, reload wont be an issue if you can sneak shots in

[haughty forge]

I dunno much positions maps like Faust and some maps I forgot

[valid lodge]

Is there a nickname for the tier 9&10 french lights? Common name so people can tell if you're talking about the tier 9 or 10? Or are they both just Bat chat?

Ah thank you

Never knew it censored 25

True. Never really needed to.

Gg censorship. You played yourself

[brittle vector]

It also censors 2hat

[boreal shell]

just say batchat lol

since nobody really cares about the tier 9 you can call the t10 just batchat. If you want to talk about the tier 9 just say tier 9 batchat

[valid lodge]

Ok that works too. Only asking cause i just got the tier 9 and noticed the similar names when looking up how much xp was needed. It's been fun so far but only played realistic mode so far.

[chilly hinge]

I want a refund

Rigged mm

Give me 4-5 30-40% t10s each game against 2-3 60% t10s like I can do sht about that

This needs to be brought to someone’s attention.this isn’t a joke

[fast compass]

bruh

[haughty forge]

120 battles and wants a refund....BRUH...

[chilly hinge]

I know how to play it as seen by the 2200 avg dmg, with 0 sniper medals I might add

The refund part was me memeing, I do really want them to look at this though something is for sure off

[haughty forge]

@chilly hinge you meant the win rate , I feel you I am always on the top dmg with panther 1 and 1100+avg dmg and I always get matched up with tier 8 and top tier is on the bottom most of the time

[chilly hinge]

Yeah they have a brick wall for winrate on some tanks There is no way that’s random every game

[haughty forge]

Yup , I think panther is too op for being top tier so it will be lower tier most of the time

[chilly hinge]

Maybe but kpf has abismal dpm so idk what the deal is

And you have to heat some t10 lower plated just to pen which makes it even worse

[haughty forge]

Panther is op for being top tier , it has good dpm , armor like heavies armor for tier 6, and nice speed along with one of the most accurate guns in the game

At the same time hard to be lower tier since enemy can penetrate you easily and can’t do much against tier 8

[chilly hinge]

Truth

[haughty forge]

90% of time I hit my shots with panther even if I am on move

We all know that there is enough tanks to fill 14 slots with same tier ( like 7 tier 7 vehicles on each team) once I had a match and everyone was tier 6

[chilly hinge]

Just went against t9 and 8s feels good man

[haughty forge]

Nice , playing against tier 6 feels too easy with Panther and usually I do more than 2k dmg, but against tier 8 it is 1100+ plus

[chilly hinge]

That’s what’s up

[haughty forge]

Not playing with panther 1 cuz of matchmaking

[untold dirge]

Why do I keep losing creds whenever I play amx?

oh rip, provisions and ammo cost a lot

oop, so i gotta take it easy on prammo?

[clear jay]

yes

[untold dirge]

oh okay, thanks for the tip

[clear jay]

definitely

[viral lodge]

Always bring enough Prammo but don’t shoot it when not needed.

[haughty forge]

@untold dirge don’t spam gold just flank them Amx is fast tank I enjoy playing with it and my wr on it is 56%

[untold dirge]

thanks for the tip once again

[hollow notch]

I enjoy forgetting to turn off prammo.

[untold dirge]

bruh i still keep on losing creds, im not even using prammo anymore

[hard nexus]

you just dont make credits at high tiers

[untold dirge]

oh okay

[haughty forge]

@hard nexus no , i make credits on my amx 13 75

[hard nexus]

tier 7 isnt high tiers

[haughty forge]

@hard nexus he is talking about tier 7 amx 13 75

[hard nexus]

well the ammo cost was 23k, so i dont know whats happening there

[haughty forge]

@hard nexus he was using prammo we told him not to he stopped but he is still losing creds why you dont read messages too?

[hard nexus]

because he never showed the results of a battle where he didnt use prammo, i read messages, quite a few people do

[haughty forge]

He said he stopped using prammo 🤦‍♂️

[hard nexus]

yes i know, no?

[strange thicket]

He said he stopped using prammo 🤦‍♂️
@haughty forge he still loses credits? Well omg
Can you click on detailed and then click on credits
See why you lost creds

[untold dirge]

my most recent game

[strange thicket]

Ok? You have all the information you need

[alpine notch]

Maybe use premium acc or cred booster if you have one? And also, remove the camo if you want more creds

[strange thicket]

Removing camo isn't smart
Don't waste your credit boosters on techtree tanks they are simply not to farm or earn thst much credits with
You want to earn credits? Play premiums or some lower tier tanks (some 6s and 5)

[haughty forge]

He simply uses too much expensive provisions for tech tree tank, just reduce your provisions

[alpine notch]

What if that guy doesnt have prems or collectors tank though?

[haughty forge]

Simply remove one of your expensive provisions @untold dirge

[untold dirge]

oh, so that's why its expensive as hell

[strange thicket]

What if that guy doesnt have prems or collectors tank though?
@alpine notch as i said
Lower tiers

[untold dirge]

Removing camo isn't smart
Don't waste your credit boosters on techtree tanks they are simply not to farm or earn thst much credits with
You want to earn credits? Play premiums or some lower tier tanks (some 6s and 5)
@strange thicket i have an is 6 but im planning to sell it to get amx 13 90

[haughty forge]

No don’t sell it

[untold dirge]

i alr sold my strv 74a2 so i can get the amx 13 75

[strange thicket]

Why

[haughty forge]

That is stupid to sell higher tier premiums for credits

[strange thicket]

Don't sell premiums
Dude
Use those to grind credits to buy tanks not sell them oml bruh

[untold dirge]

well i can restore it right?

[haughty forge]

@untold dirge you can but you need credits and you use them for farming credits not selling for credits .......

[strange thicket]

Yes you can but you lose credits in this process
Is6 is getting buffed you should keep it @untold dirge

[untold dirge]

oh okay then i'll be grinding creds now since i alr researched my amx 13 90

[haughty forge]

Really? Did you use free exp?

[untold dirge]

nope

[haughty forge]

I thought you bought Amx 13 75 today

[untold dirge]

i used all my boosters so i can get 113k xp on my amx 13 75

[solid gate]

As far as I know Germany had also some scout tanks in use . After tier 7 there are no lights anymore , perhaps some space for a few fun to use scouts like puma , and luchs wheeled armors , or E25 Light tank . Spotters are risktakers with poor armor but better manouverability to outflank and escape harm due speed and lower profile

If artillery’s become a part of blitz it would be awsome to enclude waffentrager tiger fur 21 cm mörser (Grille 21 ) , a papertank with high explosive shells capable to take down most tanks in a few shots . It’s huge and not so fast and without turret it’s like most units a challenge to stay alive

[haughty forge]

Why? Mostly they are usefull for grinding stock tanks

[untold dirge]

i've had it since 6-9

[haughty forge]

@solid gate maps are too small for them and arties will ruin the game but we need some German scouts

[untold dirge]

and it was a pain to grind since team doesn't help you scout or even support

[strange thicket]

@solid gate arty is not gonna get into the game and they are not fun they ruin games

[untold dirge]

especially wheeled vehicles since we alr have atgms

[strange thicket]

Nor wheeled tanks
Their speed would be broken in the game

[haughty forge]

You can’t go to open for just a second on pc or you will eat 400 dmg from arty

[untold dirge]

since i'm going to start grinding creds what mode should i play on?

[haughty forge]

@untold dirge scouting in this game is meh light tanks are usefull for attacking from behind, @untold dirge any game mode that doesn’t effect your stats

[untold dirge]

i don't know why im trying to translate my skills from wot pc to blitz

[haughty forge]

@untold dirge game is completely different.... pc is more simple than this game

[untold dirge]

oh dang, i didn't think this was more complicated than pc

[haughty forge]

It is, pc = scout with light tanks, Go to city with ht, Camp in a bush with td, Support allies with arty, idk about med

[solid gate]

The game is simple , cover Sneek and shoot , prevent objectives to secure em
Proceed the breakthrough

[strange thicket]

@untold dirge game is completely different.... pc is more simple than this game
@haughty forge huh

That is completely wrong
PC is much more complex and requires more brains to play

[solid gate]

Both versions have similar play benefits , coverspots to utilize to gain best scores

[untold dirge]

@strange thicket oh, so my skills on wot pc can translate into blitz then?

[haughty forge]

No it can’t

[strange thicket]

since i'm going to start grinding creds what mode should i play on?
@untold dirge there are regular and ratings and occasionally an extra mode (mad games, uprising, realistic, space)
Try to farm credits whenever uprising or mad games is back
For now you can play regular
For your skills, they share a lot in common
Angling your armor, or techniques like reverse side scrape and such
Hulldown
Camouflage bushes , view range etc

[untold dirge]

oh thanks for the tip! @strange thicket

[hollow belfry]

Ratings aren't bad to grind credits

[strange thicket]

Well
That is true tbh but i never tried it

[solid gate]

@solid gate Mate artillery isn’t coming to Blitz. Also no wheeled vehicles. Though there are 2 German lights I can think of. Standard Panzer C and the Rheinmetall Patent Tank.

[untold dirge]

well if i start playing ratings again my wr would go down lmao

[hollow notch]

Ratings do not effect win rate

[untold dirge]

oh thats nice, then i better start playing

[sleek ether]

Maybe they just prefer the lower tier battles and some tankers get their best awards there.

[keen escarp]

Who likes the k91

[valid lodge]

I love the K91

[jagged linden]

Me

[thorn glacier]

Nerf comet, why let it pen ANYTHING

[fervent sand]

I love my K-91 😋

[jagged linden]

He can't front pen IS, KV-3, KV-4, T 29 is very difficult to pen. Even T-44 is hard to pen !

[fervent sand]

Comet does not need nerfing

[jagged linden]

Yep

[solid gate]

Quite the opposite if anything should be done to Comet at all.

[viral lodge]

Comet feels kinda powercrept to me. (Great tank but feels off to me)

[pure token]

BP broken

[viral lodge]

Its very strong, not broken though, there is counter play.

[solid gate]

BP still suffers from low pen and poor top speed.

So strong but not broken.

[steep ice]

Is this good for a Jackson?

[viral lodge]

@steep ice Id run 2 cola and top gas.

[steep ice]

@viral lodge

[viral lodge]

Yup

[heavy nacelle]

Anyone think Indian panzer needs a buff

Just wondering if anyone remembers the tank lol

[jagged linden]

Indian Panzer ? Eeeeh...

What is this thing ? xD

[solid gate]

@heavy nacelle Indien Panzer isn’t popular and probably could use a small buff.

[gentle wasp]

I would welcome it

[heavy nacelle]

I dont actually play it .I was just testing if anyone remembers it

[celest scaffold]

This tank is good at shooting and ramming other tanks

[solid gate]

@celest scaffold Haha. Very funny.

That thing is only good against tier 6s. Against same tier it’s meh and against tier 8s it’s trash.

[gentle wasp]

^

[solid gate]

@heavy nacelle I do. Honestly while I haven’t played Indien Panzer I think the Panzer 58 Mutz is better.

[celest scaffold]

@solid gate ye

[wanton saffron]

What about AMX 50 120, that tank needs 2-3 extra degrees of gun depression. K91 is better in almost every aspect except mobility and pen.

[gentle wasp]

amx has 400 alpha

[low elk]

its a tier 9 tech tree
WG cant buff it too much or else it overshadows the tier 10 (standard B and T92E1)

[wanton saffron]

You have to wait much longer for the drum to reload

[gentle wasp]

naturally

[fervent sand]

K91 has about a 15sec reload with how I have it set up (magazine)

[steep ice]

What do I do for T25?

[low elk]

@fervent sand the lowest reload for K91 is 16 seconds and if you are running CS (which you should be) you should have 16.3 reload

@steep ice double food, a fuel, 2 repairs and a reload boost
and stop rushing up tiers ur actually trolling
learn low tiers first
you have a negative wr for a reason

[wanton saffron]

50 120 is not a flexible tank at all, it's high risk low reward type of tank. Making it a bit more competent won't be too bad for the game.

I just want not to expose my entire cardboard turret every time I try to shoot someone

[low elk]

whats in it for the devs?
they dont care
i dont see how buffing the depression of that thing will allow players to play it better
it does 1200 in 6 seconds
thats unique for the tank
K91 only does 1050 in 7.06 seconds
standard B does 1050 in 6 seconds
T54E1 does 930 in 5 seconds
batchat does 930 in 6 seconds

[steep ice]

What do I do for these?

[gentle wasp]

double food, big fuel

[steep ice]

@low elk If you’re talking about the win percentage stuff it’s because I did platoon and kept getting in matches with tier 8s but I’m playing for fun. Not really trolling

[low elk]

im going to say it again
stop rushing up tiers
sit and play tier 6 until you have a positive WR
ur playing for fun to ruin other player's experinces
that is trolling
ur the lead filled rock on the team that wont do anything and causes the team to lose
learn the game before progessing

[wanton saffron]

Not asking for a dpm buff, it has awful dpm. That 1200 burst damage is misleading. It's not worth if you trade 1200 for 700 in an AMX when you can trade 1050 for 0 in a k91

[low elk]

rushing up tiers "for your own fun" is kinda selfish
because now there has to be people who play with you just to carry you because you didnt learn the basics of the game
and its also better for you
because if you learn the game you also get to get more fun out of it

[steep ice]

Sure whatever I guess.

[low elk]

this is the problem with WG lol
noobs dont get their lessons and they think they're worth something

[gentle wasp]

@wanton saffron then don't poke that much to the point that you are taking 700.

[steep ice]

@low elk you don’t have to be mean. You could’ve been nicer.

[wanton saffron]

A lot of old tier 8/9s have long been ignored. It's time that the Devs show some love. T54 used to be the best tier 9 med an year ago, now it's not even in top 3.

[low elk]

imagine you carry your team but you lose because theres a guy who didnt get taught by WG
how could you not be mad at WG?

[gentle wasp]

T54 is still really good

[wanton saffron]

@gentle wasp my point is, would you rather play an AMX 50 120 or a k91?

[gentle wasp]

@wanton saffron depends on my play style. Not everyone would choose k91

[low elk]

id rather play the K91 because i dont want the 50B
for people who want 50B
its better they just grind through the 50120
making a tech tree braindead encourages noobs to go that line and suck on the tier 10
then complain that the tier 10 sucks
take E100 line for example
all the noobs go that line because of the tigers
how many E100 drivers actually know how to play?
now look at the AMX50B line
most of the players know how to play it because noobs dont want to grind it because the grind is too challenging
theres a thing called no pain no gain
that applies with most tech trees

dont want to grind through an entire line?
save up the freexp and skip it
WG isnt buffing it because their stat charts say "oh my 50120 isnt falling behind by a lot" and they dont want to buff it because their balance team dosnt actually play the game

[solid gate]

I just ammo racked a poor Bulldog with AP while driving VK 100.01 (P). Was funny.

[thick trout]

The 50 120 isn't really comparable to the K91 lol one is an extremely mobile heavium mean for pure clip and run, one is a hulldown heavy, they are both good but they both do different jobs

[low elk]

K91 is more like a heavy that cant heavy because of the stupid tumors on the turret but cant med either because of the bad mobility
its stuck in a limbo between the two and its only good because of the pinpoint accuracy and DPM on the gun

[wanton saffron]

According to their chart, 50 120 is the third lowest performing heavy in it's tier, behind kpz (a heavily sought after tank) and Is8( first tier 9 heavy for a lot of new comers).

[solid gate]

Ok but you know what does need buffing? T28. There are some other poor TDs that could use some love.

[low elk]

the entire T110E3 line is getting new consumables next patch if it isnt cancelled yet

[gentle wasp]

@wanton saffron still performing fine in general, there are other tanks that need more love

[thick trout]

@low elk The turret is very good unless you stay still or are trying to bounce high pen prammo

[solid gate]

T-10 (IS-8) is called a heavium by the YTers but I don’t think it’s necessarily meant to be realistically.

[low elk]

@thick trout its troll at best
with good aim the turret can be penned
but the entire tank has this weird armor profile for no reason
esp the sides

[gentle wasp]

@solid gate it is a heavium

[low elk]

you can fully aim on the side armor on K91 and it will bounce randomly like you hit a black hole or something

[solid gate]

@gentle wasp But it wasn’t in real life so why in game?

[thick trout]

With good aim almost everything can be penned, but when you are flat on it's about 240mm on a very small section of it which is bouncy enough @low elk

[gentle wasp]

because this game isn't realistic at all dude @solid gate i dont understand how realism is still a complaint

[low elk]

@thick trout yeah but the problem is that the unreliability compared to other russian heavies on the turret is a weakness
i usually run it with the meds because it can do better against meds than heavies
unless its a tier 8 match then its a free4all

[tulip sail]

I get it if they try making a camo realistic but fail

[thick trout]

If you use it's depression then it's reliable especially with wiggling, but yeah it should be played in the awkward gap between the meds and heavies really

[solid gate]

@gentle wasp I get that but how many people hate the IS-8 because it doesn’t play like the other heavies in the line? Sure all are mobile but it sounds to me like the IS-8 has the least trolly armor of them all. Not that IS-3 is great either. That pike nose on IS-3 cannot be angled yet doesn’t hold up even when pointed straight on. Not angled enough and poor base thickness of 110mm.

[low elk]

this game was supposed to be an arcade tank game
not a tank battle simulator like it was advertised
you want realistic--- oh wait there is no realistic tank shooter game on mobile

[solid gate]

Though least IS-3 has turret armor. Sounds to me like even the turret armor on IS-8 is unreliable which isn’t a good thing for a heavy. Sure it’s mobile for a heavy but it’s not a medium.

[wanton saffron]

Is8's hatches are weak as hell. The pike nose hull trolls a lot though.

[solid gate]

The problem with “heaviums” is they try to be mediums but aren’t necessarily as good at that job as true mediums and if you try to play them like a heavy well...... You fail.

[hollow notch]

The is8 is not one that fails at its job. It annihilates mediums with its gun

[tulip sail]

Hench why you play them as a heavium and not a med or a heavy

[solid gate]

That makes no sense M4.

They just said play it with the mediums which is basically playing it like a medium of sorts.

[hollow notch]

Heaviums are generally medium killers. Use them as such.

[tulip sail]

Heaviums have their own style just as mediums and heavies have specific ways to play

[solid gate]

Eh that’s stupid. Heaviums are bad to play for most players as their play style isn’t specific to their classes general role.

[tulip sail]

Just because you play your tank with the mediums doesn't mean you play as one it's like taking a med and going heavy side

[solid gate]

I’m not saying I cannot do it but that many cannot. It’s like telling them to play with the mediums but they cannot play as a medium which won’t make sense in most people’s heads.

Of course playing “heaviums” as a heavy is even more stupid than playing them like a medium. They suck at it.

[hollow notch]

Ah yes, we need more noob proofing. The HP buff wasnt enough

I personally prefer to have some variety in my tanks. I would not like the high tiers to get the low tier treatment. Making nothing but clones is really boring.

[solid gate]

Nah. But giving a tank a class name implies a thing. Heavies are supposed to be well armored though not impervious and take the hits. When a heavy cannot do this players will rage. That’s the problem with having “heaviums.” They are misleading.

[hollow notch]

Noob proofing appears to be what you want.

[solid gate]

Nah. I just want the heavies to be heavies. Heaviums is silly idea.

What

[tulip sail]

Its really not

[hollow notch]

Dont mind this guy taking a sh*t on my favorite style of tank.

[tulip sail]

Heaviums are great

[solid gate]

Well then label them with a new symbol. Heavies implies heavy armor and weight.

I mean the concept of heaviums are still good ones it’s literally fact the IS8 has worse armor than is3 yet has far better mobility it’s a trade off mark 6 also has mediocre armor yet its mobility permits it to fulfill a number of roles

[tulip sail]

Laughs in amx 120

[hollow notch]

Heavy also refers to the hard hitting guns

[solid gate]

Also your thinking of the wrong heavy classification your thinking of super heavies they aren’t the same as normal heavies

But honestly heaviums are just goofy in my opinion. Again not saying I cannot figure them out but they shouldn’t be called heavies by symbol and all that or should be changed. Now not saying they should be the same as other heavies per se but should fit their lines and class just a bit better.

[tulip sail]

You do realize that just further complicates things for no reason

[solid gate]

In what way are they goofy? They tick all the traits of heavies

armor
high mid caliber gun
average mobility

@solid gate No. Super heavies take the heavy armor to the next level. I don’t mean heavies should be as bouncy as super heavies but should be more bouncy than mediums. Heaviums are basically mediums with most much more armor than a normal medium and a bigger gun.

[tulip sail]

Then do you also add one for second liner ridgeliner scout hit and runers etc?

[solid gate]

Well I don’t necessarily want to make everything noob friendly but heaviums are uncommon. Only ones I can think of are Tiger I and IS-8. The problem is they don’t fit their lines and that’s worse than not fitting their class. Though Tiger I may fit better now since the armor buff. However, IS-8 sounds like the awkward duck that doesn’t suit it’s line.

[hard drift]

hey guys iam new

[hollow notch]

If you look at it this way, the is8 is just an up gunned is3. It fits the line perfectly.

[solid gate]

I never said buff the AMX 50 100 and up did I? I didn’t say to buff the VK 45.02 A. I actually like the VK 45.02 A how it is. Well but you also say it has worse weak points tier for tier.

[blissful rune]

what is a community helper? is it like moderators but watered down?

[solid gate]

And I never claimed to like heaviums though I cannot say I dislike all of them either. Maybe my opinion on IS-8 will change after I play it.

@blissful rune

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Just some heaviums should be a bit more heavy leaning than medium leaning. VK 45.02 A is kinda more medium leaning in some ways in my opinion but I think IS-8 should be more heavy leaning since it has a bigger gun. Just my opinion though.

[blissful rune]

ty, also sorry wrong channel

[solid gate]

So I guess I revoke my thought about heaviums being goofy. Then again I meant goofy as in they don’t fit a specific class.

[tulip sail]

there are more then just the is8 and tiger 1 such as the amx m4 45 vk45.03 t14 tiger131 etc

[solid gate]

T14 is not a heavium.

[lyric oriole]

113, and Chimera and FCM 50 T also fit the bill

[solid gate]

Though those others I guess are. Though AMX M4 45 was fun when I played it I think it’s gonna need an armor buff now.

@lyric oriole Chimera wouldn’t be a heavium but a medvy.

[lyric oriole]

AMX M4 45 has just been ignored by Wargaming for a long time, even with all the HP buffs it only received 50 Additional health.

Also Chimera is a straight up heavy on Console

[solid gate]

50t is just a giant medium. It has no armor realistically. Well unless the gun mantlet can do anything.

[steep ice]

@lyric oriole Can I dm you for help? Don’t wanna spam the chat with pictures

[lyric oriole]

Of course @steep ice

[solid gate]

@lyric oriole It probably should have been here too but it’s classed a medium but has heavy tank tendencies so it’s a medvy.

[lyric oriole]

Until other people also start calling it that, I am sticking with Heavium

[hollow notch]

Add the entire e50m line to the list

[steep ice]

@lyric oriole won’t allow me to message

[lyric oriole]

I don't have friends only on, let me check

[solid gate]

Also AMX M4 45 doesn’t need the base thickness of Tiger I necessarily because it’s sloped armor. However, the M4 45 is slower. It has better gun depression but only by like what 2 degrees. Though 2 degrees can make a difference.

sighs Ok I shouldn’t bash heaviums myself but I know many players will. And back to the IS-8 I don’t think from the sounds of it it’s the best heavium.

[lyric oriole]

@steep ice check your settings it's likely because you have messages from friends only on.

[hard drift]

amx is nice i have him

[lyric oriole]

IS-8 is pretty good rn, good gun, pretty mobile, blackhole sides, even if the front is weak

[solid gate]

M4 45 was good when I played it but I’m afraid to play it now with all the tanks that were added since and the Tiger I buff.

[lyric oriole]

It's pretty bad

[solid gate]

@lyric oriole Well IS-5 is a more troll version of IS-3 at the same tier to me. Dang thing bounces shots the IS-3 wouldn’t.

[hard drift]

@solid gate wanna play plattoon amx m4 45?

[solid gate]

@lyric oriole Also that’s bad. I loved it. I want to keep loving it so won’t play it now.

[lyric oriole]

IS-5 is Effectively a budget 252u, it's not really in the same realm as IS-3, the closest tank to IS-3 is WZ-111

[solid gate]

@hard drift Haha. Nope. I have VK 100 and stuff to work on. Also I don’t want to ruin my WR in it and love for the tank.

[hard drift]

@solid gate ok i also ahve t8 t9 please dont be mad if my english issnt the best iam from germany

[solid gate]

@lyric oriole Geez. WZ-111. Hate that thing yet played between 80 and 90 battles in it. Cannot even break even with it. 2 battles down on the WR.

[lyric oriole]

My stats are pretty good in it but it's really only luck because that thing doesn't have anything worth play for it

[solid gate]

@hard drift Well with me you should use proper capitalization and punctuation. I have trouble understanding longer comments when they do not have it.

@lyric oriole 112 and WZ-112-2 are better to much better.

[hollow notch]

112 gun is pure garbage

[solid gate]

@hollow notch It’s basically the same gun on the WZ-111 but without the armor. WZ-111 upper plate sucks. Even when you try to point the pike straight on.

Though both have those dang cupolas too. WZ-112-2 is the best of the 3.

[lyric oriole]

112 is pretty bad in general, 80mm of side armor that isn't spaced and extremely weak roof armor on the turret are a terrible mix, any angle will create a weakspot

[solid gate]

I suppose so but it still feels better than WZ-111. Though again 112-2 is better than both.

[lyric oriole]

112-2 is one of the best tier 8s

[solid gate]

Mhmm

[lyric oriole]

Triple digit side armor on a tier 8 with a relatively low profile like that is very good

[solid gate]

Also I’ve found that VK 168 must actually be based off the VK 100.01 (K). The blueprint of the VK 100.01 (K) looks exactly like the VK 168 as far as I could tell.

[lyric oriole]

Could be, if the final research concluded the project weight of 100 tonnes wasn't going to be the true weight it's possible the designation got changed to match it at 168

[solid gate]

Though Wargaming screwed it up. Super heavy? Pah! What a laugh. The thing is the absolute worst tier 8 heavy I know of.

[lyric oriole]

I put my vote at Chieftain T/95

At the very least 168 has the highest health in the tier and can trade, and reverse sidescrape, Chieftain T/95 is basically a worse FCM 50 T

[solid gate]

Chieftain/T95 should have the cupola removed. Anyone who disagrees can fight me.

[hollow notch]

I love my fcm 50. Nobody targets me when I am in it

[solid gate]

Also as M4 has said many times reverse side scrapping isn’t always a viable tactic as it takes time to set up and requires certain circumstances to pull it off.

[lyric oriole]

It's not always a viable option sure, but given it can do it it helps it's case a lot more than people give credit for.

[solid gate]

@hollow notch They you are fortunate. I probably play it wrong but even playing it “right” wouldn’t be very fun. Hate the 50t.

[lyric oriole]

50T is an aggressive medium

[solid gate]

Well I think the 168 should have the frontal weaknesses removed other than the lower plate which is a big enough weakness as is. It doesn’t need other frontal weaknesses.

[lyric oriole]

I don't think anyone has ever shot at the MG port when I've played it

[solid gate]

Well I played it and tried hiding the lower plate only to get penned in the other weaknesses. Probably the cupola and the tracks mostly. I don’t know why you can go through the tracks frontally. That’s dumb.

That will make it op

@solid gate No different than VK 100 but with a wider frontal plate. Well it looks wider to me.

[lyric oriole]

168 is a tad bit wider

[solid gate]

Heavies like vk168,vk100 will be op with cupola removed if they go hulldown, no one can pen them even if the player remains still and u cant just pen it in the turret cheek with prammo like e100

I guess the cupola could still be pennable with prammo or with the right angle or a high pen gun but the mg port should be buffed and no track weakness as that is ridiculous.

Sounds reasonable

[lyric oriole]

Trust me, when VK 100 was added it was toxic to have to shoot Prammo at a cupola

[solid gate]

hitting cupola should have a chance of killing the commander

Well a VK 100 can now pen it’s own cupola as I’ve found in my first battle in it. 168 could be similar but slightly weaker still because it’s cupola is smaller.

[lyric oriole]

The Cupola isn't always where the commander is seated

[solid gate]

Can u give grille armor like maus?😁

I know we don’t necessarily want more copies of tanks but I think a single shot Italian medium line would be good if they removed the P43 ter and moved the Pantera down a tier. I mean that was Wise Allen’s proposal. Move Pantera down to tier 7, make the Progetto 46 tech tree instead of premium at tier 8, and have the other 2 be the same. As for single shots they’d start with Carro Armato M47 and go up to the OF 40.

[lyric oriole]

That makes 0 sense

[solid gate]

Well the single shot line works regardless but the other deal was Wise Allan’s idea.

[hardy sparrow]

@solid gate people paid for the progetto and you want it to be in the tech tree? Tell me how that's a good idea

[crystal hare]

Does Anyone other than me like the VK 30.01D?

[gentle wasp]

nope

[crystal hare]

Not you again! (I’m just joking)

[gentle wasp]

lol here we go again

[crystal hare]

Haha

Thoughts on the SU-100?

[gentle wasp]

seems good

[solid gate]

@hardy sparrow I didn’t say I wanted it to be tech tree. I said Wise Allan did. It’s not a bad idea except that fact. So I’d rather find something new to replace Pantera with at tier 8.

@crystal hare SU-100 with the historical gun (100mm) isn’t good anymore sadly.

[hardy sparrow]

Pantera is good as it is no need for a tank to replace p43 simply because of a camouflage

[gentle wasp]

why would you play the 100mm

[crystal hare]

If you play with the 122 it’s fun

[solid gate]

@hardy sparrow Eh, I don’t disagree with his idea because the P43 ter is not real nor is it good.

[crystal hare]

P43 bis is good ish

[solid gate]

@gentle wasp Because I preferred it over 122mm. Though 122mm was buffed I didn’t care. The 122mm still has worse aim time and dispersion. Sadly my preferred gun is no longer as good as it once was.

[hardy sparrow]

Who cares if it's not real,are you one of WT players who base everything around realism,if you care so much about realism then dont play "World of.."

And WarGaming could buff it

[solid gate]

@crystal hare The bis isn’t bad per se but I’d rather take almost any other medium at tier 6 over it.

[gentle wasp]

@solid gate the 122 is so much better. just for 400 alpha. you need it

[solid gate]

@gentle wasp Nah. Because I don’t need to play the tank anymore.

I do need to get the ISU-152 at some point though.

[gentle wasp]

ok the 122 is still the better option

[crystal hare]

^

[solid gate]

Eh I don’t care. Also I don’t care about 100% realism but I do wish some things were a bit more realistic. In my opinion WT tries to be too realistic while still having some arcade elements. Not a good combination. However, WoT gets things wrong too.

[crystal hare]

I don’t like the vk30p

[solid gate]

VK 30.01 P? I think it’s still ok but not great.

[hardy sparrow]

@solid gate you're right on that on,realism doesn't equate to fun,getting pilot sniped by a 7.7 isnt fun

[gentle wasp]

Vk P is awesome

[solid gate]

Now VK 30.02 D needs buffing. That thing is power creeped to the ground.

[broken parcel]

Why would you play an actually worse gun tho... if you think it has bad dispersion slap some v stabs and refined gun on that baby

[solid gate]

Is the e 100 a good tank?

[thorn glacier]

I mean p much every tier 10 is "good"

Imo the maus is better but the e100 is still strong

It's the other newbie friendly tier 10 with the is7

[tulip edge]

Its never been better to grind the E100 line too. The Tiger II and E75 are in a really good state

[wanton saffron]

Is7 is NOT newbie friendly, IS4 is, which is also friendly to almost everyone who plays it.

[gentle wasp]

both are newbie friendly but is7 more because of the line

[wanton saffron]

Except the tier 8s, every single tank in the IS4 line is much more forgiving than the respective tank in IS7 line.

[gentle wasp]

I argue against t7 then (lol).

[wanton saffron]

Maybe not the kv2:)

[viral lodge]

IS and KV-3 kinda are meh/bad, IS-3 is decent, KV-4 is outclassed.

[thorn glacier]

bruh the IS is good

except it's not as dominant as the kv1s

[alpine notch]

I wish Obj. 705A line in the game, so we can start grinding that one right away- lul

[gentle wasp]

no

[zealous anchor]

Is that the sidescraper

my my I think it is fabulous

[thorn glacier]

Imagine a perfectly square tank with really good hull traverse, the sidescraping possibilities 😩

[nocturne sage]

Has the super pershing ever been Nerfed bc a lot tanks seem to be able to punch through its armor pretty easily

[gentle wasp]

the hitbox has been broken for a while, the armor sucks. ask Positive about it

[nocturne sage]

Ok thx

[haughty forge]

So , is that the reason why I could penetrate to his turret with my panther 1 gun

[gentle wasp]

well yea the copulas are exposed over the spaced armor so yea. also the upper plate isnt as red as it looks, the MG port is super weak

the upper part of the upper plate is at most 220. lower part is 270 max. MG port is 76mm.

[mellow marten]

The Panther/M10 should have Germans speaking english with an hardly convincing American accent since of its main crew and purpose

[gentle wasp]

mods are your friend

[mellow marten]

?

[gentle wasp]

you can install mods to change the crew voices. although I am not sure what you are specifically looking for exists

[mellow marten]

Wait you can get mods for this game?

[gentle wasp]

you sure can

[mellow marten]

Um what kind of mods are there?

[gentle wasp]

tons. basically can customize whatever you want. garage, camos, crew voices, avatars, etc

[mellow marten]

Will other people see the customized avatars and other stuff?

[gentle wasp]

no. anything you change will only affect your game. since the rest is server-side

[mellow marten]

Awww

[haughty forge]

By the way is korean random mod restricted or not

[gentle wasp]

what

[haughty forge]

Mod that shown modules

[gentle wasp]

nope steer clear

[tulip sail]

@mellow marten they were actually heavily trained in speaking English and wound up causing all sorts of mayhem because of them

[mellow marten]

@tulip sail It only caused small amounts and were barely conving , watch Potential History's video called Meme Tanks

it talks about the Panther/M10

[solid gate]

@mellow marten he’s heavily wrong about a lot of Things and frankly caused a lot of widespread myths and memes you see today but he is right ish the m10 appearance was not effective

[mellow marten]

oh really? i didnt knyow that

[fervent sand]

From what I remember, they had a ruff start but it was quite successful

[solid hamlet]

Between action x and lowe which one got higher money?

Lowe just 7.5k while action x 15k

[hollow belfry]

@solid hamlet Action X is a better tank, but 15k is very expensive for a T8. If you’re just looking for a solid premium to print credits, get a Löwe. It’s way cheaper and the Action X will come later for a lower price anyways.

[solid hamlet]

I see. Yeah lowe is much cheaper. Thanks

[hollow belfry]

The Löwe prints money like a beast, main reason of it being one of my most played tanks.

On ace games, using boosters and premium account I net up to 250k credits.

[solid hamlet]

Omg that is a lot of money. Cant wait for lowe discount

[hollow belfry]

On average games expect 80-120k without any problems. It also helps by the fact you don’t fire much APCR, since the pen is pretty good and accuracy-wise, the gun is a pure laser.

[solid gate]

@hollow belfry really?120k

[hollow belfry]

@solid gate If you can average 2k dmg without bleeding hp and don't fire too much prammo, yes

[solid gate]

how long to get 7.5k gold, as f2p ? @hollow belfry

[hollow belfry]

Watch ads to get 50 gold a day, sometimes you can get gold from daily/weekly or mission crates

[solid gate]

so it'll take like 6 months lol

just use calibrated shells to increase pen

[strange thicket]

The main thing you should do in t49 is flank
Or use your mobilitybto get to weak spots
Sometimes going away from the enemy if you really have no hope against him is what to do
Also it is easier if you attack an enemy that is distracted by your team mates

[hollow sedge]

Does the calibrated shells really make tanks pen armor that it cannot pen before?

[viral falcon]

Increased pen means exactly that, doesn't it...?

[molten sail]

@hollow sedge yes, for example, putting calibrated on medium tanks makes and e100 turret an ez pen, where as before it couldnt

[hollow sedge]

I see but in return it sacrifices a bit of reload speed to the tank

[solid gate]

Buff fv215b 183

[hollow belfry]

« and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself »

[solid gate]

Bring back the 105 on the t82 pls

[haughty forge]

@solid gate it will take 3 months to get 7,5k gold if you watch ad every single day

[edgy dune]

why there is no watchable ads on steam version of this game?

how we can earn golds for free while mobile users can?

[solid gate]

download it on ur phone

[jaunty raven]

Can you bring back the Defender Bundle?

[tulip sail]

They will at some point

[lyric oriole]

As long as you haven't played it you can refund it by sending in a ticket

[languid wren]

As long as you haven't played it you can refund it by sending in a ticket
@lyric oriole How? Would please explain more?

[lyric oriole]

What server are you on?

[gentle wasp]

@languid wren https://na.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/help/31212/ (substitute "na" for whichever server you are on)

[languid wren]

Europe!

[lyric oriole]

One sec

https://eu.wargaming.net/support/

You'll need to login to your Wargaming account too

[gentle wasp]

https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/help/31212/ use this

[languid wren]

Thank you for everything! You gived me your time and helped me! Thank you so much! and SORRY for any inconvenient!

[gentle wasp]

you want to go Payments > Refunds. and np

[languid wren]

:))))

[gentle wasp]

@primal citrus yes wz121 is a great tank

[thorn glacier]

The tiger P is weird, its only purpose is to grind the next lines

Some tanks you have to struggle to get that one high tier module or something but this is just

Here's a 7k track now GRIND

[hollow belfry]

7k for a suspension at T7 isn’t even that much. You should already have gotten the engines on the VK 30.01 P, and the K.w.K. 43 L/71 on another line. For the rest of the modules... ever heard of « free exp »?

[thorn glacier]

No I know, it gives u nice cheap modules and then 3 separate lines to grind your heart away

[viral lodge]

Well no reason to play the ferd via tiger P, and VK 72 is uh, ya, so really only 1 line worth doing

[hollow belfry]

^ Either get it by the Jagdpanther, or play the Jagdpanther II.

The VK 72.01 K isn’t that bad, honestly. The VK 45.02 B is indeed a worse E 75, but the Ausf. A at T8 is pretty workable

[viral lodge]

VK 72 is just kinda outclasses rn, I think thats the problem, its not unsuable from what ive seen, there are just better options

[thorn glacier]

I wanna do maus but also jp100 and like, why have to grind both lines

[viral lodge]

the Jp100 line is great, good T5,6 great T7, good T8, and I think the T9 is good now as well (Im on the JgP II)

[thorn glacier]

Coming from the ferdi tho

[viral lodge]

It takes more XP quite sure Tiger P -> Ferd than Jp -> Ferd

[hollow belfry]

Every single tank in the VK 72.01 K tech tree plays differently, that’s why. Do you really expect the average 40%er to understand each of the tanks and do well in them? The VK 72.01 K has a different armor profile you need to work with

[viral lodge]

Arent the cheeks and weakish side armour its main problem?

[thorn glacier]

I'm honestly not sure what it's good at

[viral lodge]

I mean I watched someone win a 1v1 with a VK 72 over an IS-4. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (Not that 1v1s matter for much)

[hollow belfry]

The side armor and extended part of the hull below the turret ring weren’t a problem for me.

Because if you angle or sidescrape with a VK 72.01 K like an E100/Maus, you probably understood nothing to the tank.

[thorn glacier]

so what SHOULD you do in the 72