btw I have the Chrysler and 34-3, and i clap people in both tanks. they’re both pretty good at what they do @subtle mason
#vehicles-discussion
calm inlet
broken sentinel
It very much depends on the driver. As I said, you don't need to have driven a tank to understand it, but what I left out was that you need to drive a tank to determine if you like it. You may not like the T-34-3, but that doesn't mean it's a bad tank @subtle mason
strange thicket
You can Check the CCs take on this tank
i didn't enjoy it at all when i first got it from the event
but with some guidence it turned out to be decent
is the Sheridan worth going for after 7.0 ? i am about to research the t92e1
broken sentinel
Plus we never said it was perfect/impervious. We just said it wasnt nearly as bad as you were making it out to be. It's able to perform well enough and it holds a unique enough playstyle to warrant being played every once in a while @subtle mason
subtle mason
they’re both pretty good at what they do
As I initially said, it's a very niche tank.
broken sentinel
You literally said it wasn't unique but whatever
subtle mason
broken sentinel
Chrysler K is unique. M4a1 Rev is unique. But T-34-3? Nah.
@subtle mason
subtle mason
Well, do you know the difference between niche and unique?
worn swift
@subtle mason e d i t e d
broken sentinel
Something unique fills a niche. If it fills a niche, it can be unique by extension
subtle mason
Yeah, it was edited because there's a slow mode.
It doesn't work that way. Niche tank means that the tank is not a good all-around that works in all situations.
broken sentinel
That's not what niche means at all
worn swift
Unique means there's exactly one, 'uno' being Latin for 'one'. There are two of the T-34-3 style, the tech tree 34-2 exists.
calm inlet
cmon, that’s semantics. unique basically means niche, there’s really no difference
worn swift
Niche in WoT just means that a tank excels in a subset of particular scenarios.
And often is subpar in other scenarios.
broken sentinel
@worn swift I'm arguing for them both as a pair since they're practically the same tanks (just minor differences). I'm arguing for them as a unit (uni=one) rather than just the 34-3
worn swift
@worn swift I'm arguing for them both as a pair since they're practically the same tanks (just minor differences). I'm arguing for them as a unit (uni=one) rather than just the 34-3
@broken sentinel Saegifu specifically referred to the 34-3 when saying it's not unique.
broken sentinel
Niche means that there is a unique subset of qualities that a specific tank fulfills. It has nothing to do with how well the tank performs in other scenarios
subtle mason
Well, they are still different, unique and niche. Both batchat and progetto are unique. But bat chat is niche and works well NOT IN ALL situations. While progetto is a good all-around.
broken sentinel
That's not what I'm arguing. If he wants to take it further, I can just argue that it's a premium with many differences that make the tanks unique in themselves. I'm simply arguing for them both as a unit in that their playstyles are similar. They're both unique and similar, but both fill the same niche.
calm inlet
Progetto can’t reliably bounce shells, nor DPM anyone when the mag’s empty. there’s plenty it can’t really do all that well
worn swift
They're both unique and similar
@broken sentinel Oxymoron detected.
broken sentinel
That's not the fault of it filling a niche though. Drawing that conclusion is an observation, not a definition for the meaning of a niche @calm inlet
@worn swift if you want me to get into the meaning behind that sentence, I can
calm inlet
Progetto isn’t niche
broken sentinel
Progetto + Pantera fills the niche of autoreloaders
calm inlet
eh, i don’t see the autoreloader even being used that effectively these days but okay ill admit that
subtle mason
Progetto can’t reliably bounce shells, nor DPM anyone when the mag’s empty.
Progetto can bounce mediums well, actually. B-C can do it only on some lucky days. However, Progetto can at least load shells into its mag without reloading fully. And the DPM is still much higher the one of batchat.
Anyway in current meta both b-c and progetto are niche tanks that are mostly subpar compared to superior t62-a, 140 and e-50m.
worn swift
Progetto isn’t niche
@calm inlet If you want to be technical, most tanks have a niche. There's not actually that many true all-rounders in the game. A true all-rounder would be something like the Obj. 430U on PC, which isn't particularly great at any one thing, but it can do literally everything.
broken sentinel
The T-34-3 being unique amongst other tier 8 medium tanks
The T-34-3 and T-34-2 being unique tanks themselves, yet sharing similar playstyles
calm inlet
lol i’m way too tired for this conversation.
Progetto isn’t niche
am i drunk? that’s not what i meant to say lol. i was just trying to say that it wasn’t an all rounder tank
worn swift
@broken sentinel Thanks, I was actually unaware the alpha difference was that big between the two.
subtle mason
Damn son, you can say the same about ANYTHING. Every tank is unique, yeah?
@worn swift he just equipped the low alpha gun on it. T34-2 can play with two guns.
calm inlet
The T-34-3 and T-34-2 being unique tanks themselves, yet sharing similar playstyles
@broken sentinel you got the 100mm on the 34-2
broken sentinel
@worn swift I had the wrong gun, but my statement still stands
subtle mason
T-34-2 is superior with 122mm
calm inlet
ok where is this conversation going lol. i think we’re all like in a bundle of agreement and disagreement at the same time
broken sentinel
They are inherently different yet offer the same general playstyle. That's what I meant by "they're unique yet similar" @worn swift
subtle mason
So basically, that screenshot proves that T-34-3 is not near being "decent". T-34-2 outperforms it, and the armor is neglectible anyway.
worn swift
@broken sentinel Wdym T-34-2 is literally just better now.
calm inlet
no, 34-3 doesn’t get autopenned in the hull and has better HEAT pen. 34-2 is good but the 34-3 is hardly “worse”
broken sentinel
It is, that's still being different. They also share completely different armor layouts. The T-34-3 has a better hull and a worse turret. The T-34-2 has a terrible hull but a better turret
subtle mason
@calm inlet they have the same HEAT pen though.
worn swift
I never realised how many tier 8 mediums there were until this moment.
subtle mason
T-34-2 is better because it is much more mobile, has even lower profile and dispersion on move is alsobetter. Meds pen t34-3 anyway.
calm inlet
@subtle mason double check that, i’m pretty certain the T-34-3 has 270 and the T-34-2 has 250
subtle mason
@calm inlet 275 is with calibrated. The gun is the same
broken sentinel
Each standard tank pretty much has its own premium version:
- Pantera/Progetto
- Panther II/Panther 8,8
- T-34-2/T-34-3
- Pershing/T25 Pilot 1 (upcoming prem)
- Indien Pz. / Mutz
Etc etc
calm inlet
@subtle mason it says in-game that the 34-3 has 270 and 34-2 has 250, both with rammer
broken sentinel
Each of these tanks is technically unique, but they share similar playstyles
strange thicket
it has 270 heat without CS with CS it is 297
subtle mason
yeah, viewed the ingame. It's higher actually. That's funny, to say the least. A bug?
calm inlet
no, a feature
broken sentinel
calm inlet
the guns have different bloom and aim time, so why not pen
worn swift
yeah, viewed the ingame. It's higher actually. That's funny, to say the least. A bug?
@subtle mason Not a bug. WG makes guns have different stats on different tanks all the time.
zealous anchor
Thoughts on batchat pen
subtle mason
Not a bug. WG makes guns have different stats on different tanks all the time.
I'm still frustrated of having "different" guns for e100 and vk72
calm inlet
but the guns are literally different as well lol, they have different names and look different in-game
Thoughts on batchat pen
@zealous anchor i run the tank with vents but i strongly recommend Calibrated Shells for most people
zealous anchor
Ah I see okie
subtle mason
I also run BC with vents. feels... Smoother.
zealous anchor
Haha looking forward to it's buff
subtle mason
I wish they boosted view range/camo for b-c.
alpine notch
:o
broken sentinel
I wish they gave it 2.5 seconds intra-shell reload
zealous anchor
How bout gun elevation/dep or 2.5 intra or pen
alpine notch
Currently grinding Bat-Chat line rn, now at AMX 13 75, wish me luck-
subtle mason
Give all of that!
worn swift
Autoloading tanks are generally better with vents imo than calibrated. If it has meh pen, you're better off buffing basically every single stat on your tank instead of just pen, and if it has terrible pen, it's kinda useless to put calibrated shells on it anyway.
broken sentinel
idk man I really like penning the upper plate of a Maus in my T57 Heavy lol
subtle mason
Yeah, but bat chat doesn't face the enemy's faces most of the time, at least. AT LEAST it shouldn't.
broken sentinel
true, I just like being able to pen things like E100s and Mauses more reliably. I'll have to give Vents a try though, see how it goes
zealous anchor
I'm at batchat AP now, can't wait to grind the batchat and free xp the gun
subtle mason
Well, the tier X batchat doesn't feel as good as AP one, though, on that level.
zealous anchor
You mean tier for tier?
subtle mason
Yeah. Seems to me I was much better on tier 9 b-c than on the X tier. I mean, I have like 4 masteries for ~105 battles.
zealous anchor
I see. For me the 50B felt worse than 50 120 but I have yet to grind max crew skills it might be because of the crew....or maybe because 50 120 gets to destroy tier 8s
strange thicket
isn't that the same case with E50 and E50M
E50 feels better because you can bully tier8s
subtle mason
On paper tier X is much better, but in tier X battles bat chat 9 felt like more in place.
zealous anchor
I kinda hate tier 9 batchat for it's mobility rn, doesn't few like Leo or leo pta
calm inlet
vents only does buff some slightly mobility and gun stats. i just ran the Batchat 25t with CS and i got 3600 damage so it’s not like, a huge deal
zealous anchor
I see, I shall try both when I get it
Also petition to remove grindable modules for tier x??
strange thicket
should i keep going for the sheridan after 7.0 or go for the vickers instead?
subtle mason
I kinda hate tier 9 batchat for it's mobility rn, doesn't few like Leo or leo pta
It may be so that I like the tier X less because I play it much more carelessly. I mean, it has much more speed so I rush in faster and, you know.
hollow belfry
@strange thicket E 50 M tier for tier feels more comfortable to drive imo, yeah you don’t get to bully T8, but it’s turret armor and gun dep help so much
zealous anchor
How is it at brawling Russsian meds like god-22
strange thicket
@hollow belfry i am thinking about whether i should keep the E50 or sell it
i usually sell tier IXs after i get the Tier 10 except if they are something like the jagtiger
zealous anchor
I juz keep tier 6-10 for all my lines 🤪
strange thicket
yeah i don't have the gold for all those slots
hollow belfry
It depends if I really need credits or not (well that happens quite often) and if I like the tank or not
strange thicket
i am tryna save some gold for the lowe
i need something to grind credits with
EXP got really old
zealous anchor
I actually can't remember where I got the slots, maybe events/prem tanks I got for free and I sell the tank / update 5.5
subtle mason
I never sell tanks higher than tier 8.
solid gate
Vents are useful on a few autoloaders otherwise it’s critical to have CS on some
strange thicket
I actually can't remember where I got the slots, maybe events/prem tanks I got for free and I sell the tank / update 5.5
@zealous anchor yeah i am not playing since that long lol
zealous anchor
How about for batchat In ur opinion@solid gate
subtle mason
The only ones I sold were... Ferdinand and VK, I sold them to get quick cash for getting t34-3 in the event.
zealous anchor
Oh I see
solid gate
Batchat needs CS the vents barely give a slight difference to other stats it’s better having extra penetration than a slight decrease in reload
zealous anchor
Mm
subtle mason
I have like 37 tanks at the moment, 12 of which are 6-7 tier.
solid gate
I run vents on T71 instead of CS I don’t ever use the auto loader on bulldog
strange thicket
I run vents on T71 instead of CS I don’t ever use the auto loader on bulldog
@solid gate who does
it literally shouldn't be there
it is useless
north bloom
is the panther 8.8 even worth getting
slow valley
nope
broken turtle
should i go for patton?
tulip sail
It's not the best t10 med but it is very fun to play
violet spindle
Should i buy the Centurion or just wait for an new update tank?
Im totally dont know what to buy
solid trench
Got enough free xp for either: wz121 or T110E5 or m48 patton. Which one should I go for?
hollow belfry
I’d say 121
gentle wasp
121 since the t9 is the worst of the 3
hollow belfry
Patton isn’t that interesting since the STB exist, and yeah better free exp the 121 line since the WZ-120 on top of that has a costly and painful stock grind
solid trench
Thanks all
hollow belfry
I guess I’ll go for the WZ-121 after I finish the 113 line
solid gate
Patton is a tier 10 Sherman. It can do great in right hands.
rustic tulip
Tbf any tank can do well in the right hands
solid gate
WG forgot Patton. All meds gets buff, i dont see Patton change in year.
hollow belfry
I’m not saying the Patton can’t do well in the right hands, but the STB-1 is just better.
rustic tulip
Have both and have to agree. Patton is soild, but stb is just better
solid gate
Well, i'm thinking to grind FV4202 now. But i'm looking at the British lights. Looks awesome.
Anyway, i got comet. I can get both tier VIII
hollow belfry
I don’t plan to grind a british line in the near future, but lights will arguably be better than the meds
fast compass
The thing is you can grind a relatively decent line to get the patton. Or the pain which is the Japanese meds to get a better Patton.
Bigger pain better reward
solid trench
Got the 4202, the lights seem miles better than the med line
solid gate
I wish i could have Maus
@fast compass i think on STA-1 onwards, the line gets better. But of course, can't stand a shot.
hollow belfry
Idk if I will go for the 121 or finish the german tech tree after I got my WZ-113. The only german T9 I didn’t research is the Mauschen
solid gate
I should go for 121. Mauschen is a serious pain. Only pro is the armor.
What i dont like at the Maus is that his turret moves so slow
glass otter
Patton isn't in a great spot right now, specially since the heavy meta
hollow belfry
The Maus weighs 188 tons, don’t expect it’s turret to traverse fast lol
glass otter
The Patton isn't just suitable for this meta cause of the speed and DPM
solid gate
I think i should go that line or should i go like e50m
hollow belfry
E 50 M is very good. Probably my favourite tank
solid gate
Get E50M. If you know how to angle armor, and cover lower plate, it's fine.
But i have now vk 30.01 D lol
I use calibrated Shell on E50M, can pen a Foch 155 in his face
hollow belfry
It destroys pretty much any med or light easily. Not to mention it can even ram some t10 heavies as it’s heavier lol
solid gate
I got E50M first on German line. Grinding Tiger I and Tiger II is easy as you unlock some guns and the engines.
I have nightmare and it can hit like 200 damage
Reload is 7.1s with calibrated shells. works for me...
hollow belfry
Recently a T-62a on Normandy thought that it would be a good idea to flank. He changed his mind after a 704 dmg ram.
solid gate
If i use HEAT i can pen a T62a or OBJ140 upper plate even in angle.
I use HEAT shells for nightmare
That's crazy. U get a TD like pen on E50M HEAT shell using calibrated Shell.
hollow belfry
Killing a full hp T-62a while losing 300hp in an E 50 M feels satisfying. Aside from the ram dmg, he didn’t pen me once. Permatracked by bumping in his side too. Literally 2014 free dmg
solid gate
I am using At2 too and it reloads so fast
hollow belfry
Plus the E 50 M grind overall isn’t that bad after the Panther I and II buffs. And getting to the T10 ramming lights for 850 hp is more than worth it
solid gate
What is your highest Tier?
hollow belfry
10 actually as there’s no 11 in the game lol
viral lodge
I rammed a T92E1 for 1k earlier in my E50
thin fractal
a sher boi rammed my maus after turning a corner in winter malinovka
he went from full HP to zero faster than i could start laughing
at him
next solstice
I always make a beeline towards a Sheri in my Leopard 1 whenever I have the oppurtunity.
Ramming into those things at 65mph, and at being twice their weight is always a pleausre to watch
thin fractal
get an e50m it is soo much fun cos u can go 60 and with the weight other medium tanks just go ... off
but nothing can fight the MAUS especially the gravity mode
hollow belfry
Finally sold the IS-2
viral lodge
I have the Mod1, Rev, and Chimera, what other med prems are unique/fun to play? (I like meds)
gentle wasp
Rudy is a solid earner. Lorraine if you like a challenge. Bromwell is a must. Amx 30 1er is super good.
lyric oriole
59 Patton is a fun one
solid gate
Tier 9 stock meds lam0
tulip edge
T 34 85 rudy is fun to play
lofty saddle
The WZ-120 has a very bad depression. Since it is totally useless in most cases, I wondered if it was playing like a TD?
rustic tulip
Really depends on how you run it imo, for my yolo wagon I have no problems getting shots most of the time
short plinth
ok, what's the most fun tier 9 and tier 10 to carry all kind of teams? for me it's t92e1 for tier 9 and not sure about tier 10
gentle wasp
@short plinth I like the Amx 30 1er and then probably 62a.
rustic tulip
Yup T-62A's quite easy to carry in
short plinth
@gentle wasp @rustic tulip don't have that tank, if i'm going to get it, which line should i go, t54 ltwt or t44 line?
rustic tulip
The t54 light weight's a fine tank and line. tbf the whole line's pretty good. eh
gentle wasp
@short plinth t44 is better for nubs and to learn the playstyle but the ltwt line is far more fun
lofty saddle
@rustic tulip It is one of the most useless tanks to play. When you take the hill on Mines, you can’t shoot, you don’t have the required depression, falls creek, medium side, it’s the same, it’s very complicated, and so on.
gentle wasp
not true, the mobility lets it take advanced spots and the gun dep isnt all that bad, just below average
rustic tulip
The medium flanks are usually very hilly. But that doesn't mean you HAVE to go up there if you have shots available. I usually play it second to frontline where I can step in with my armor If I need to while still being able to put in shots
short plinth
cmon, i just spent 80k xp to get ltwt
gentle wasp
good decision
lofty saddle
@rustic tulip Yes but the hill is very important if you don’t take it the part is lost in most cases
swift harness
Is the 75mm or 88mm better for VK 36.01 H?
lofty saddle
I loved Tier VII and Tier VIII, but Tier IX is a sore.
gentle wasp
@swift harness I like 88mm since it is a heavy
rustic tulip
@lofty saddle You shouldn't be the only lt/mt at your flank. There should be some gun depression based tanks there. If there's none, you can only rely on your tds to whack their enemies making too aggressive plays
swift harness
I think most people choose 88mm for VK 36
gentle wasp
yes, although if you struggle with pen/accuracy you can try the 75
earnest musk
i still am thinking it would be neat for the kpf to have a 120mm
gentle wasp
No
viral lodge
Kpf is fine as is, it just needs maybe some more depression (1-2) and a slight HE damage buff
tawny flame
T 62A is love, T 62A is life.
tulip sail
So I when a head and got the chimera is it worth it to use adrenaline over reactive armour or not?
thorn glacier
I think so, if you're gonna use it against heavies you can get a bounce and unload some good damage before running again
gentle wasp
I actually don't because you shouldn't be exposing that long to take multiple shots anyway. might just be my playstyle
tulip sail
That's what I'm thinking but I dont have enough experience with the chimera yet to know and usually I'll just use it in an oh no situation or when flanking and I've got a great los
gentle wasp
i tried it but i dont have the muscle memory right, i kept hitting it when I wanted to repair so I just gave up
tulip sail
Lol I dont use muscle memory hands are too shaky for that
smoky hedge
Object 263 or Foch 155
Im about equal in terms of line progress and I dont know which one to choose
tulip sail
The foch 155 is the second highest wr of tds if that's anything to consider
solid gate
I forgot how to play my IS5 after getting the T34 heavy
smoky hedge
yeah I was thinking of the foch even though the grind looks painful
tulip sail
Where exactly are you at it?
viral lodge
@tulip sail Adrenaline over reactive armour, you arent a brawler, reload is too long for that, you shouldnt be in any situations where reactive armour would benefit enough over adrenaline.
thorn glacier
@smoky hedge it's been one of the most decent grinds I've had on any line so far. I don't have the 155 yet (only 50k away) but it's been pretty fun the whole time
solid gate
is4 or is7
gentle wasp
is4
lyric oriole
It's here for a reason
solid gate
@gentle wasp can is4 sidescrape?
lyric oriole
It can to some degree, the plates offset from the upper glacis can be an issue however
calm inlet
technically no, but most of the time it works well
lofty saddle
I need a 705A and 60 TP on Blitz. WG hear my prayer.
gentle wasp
@solid gate kinda
north tiger
.
solid gate
sHouLd i UsE mAuS or Ei0o?
lyric oriole
I'm personally not familiar with the "Ei0o" but the Maus is pretty good
next solstice
Old Mcdonald had a farm
Ei
Ei
0o
rose venture
I may be bias but I think it’s time WZ 121 gets a legendary camo...
next solstice
I may be bias is it cuz ur asian
I wonder what kind of "theme" the camo should have
The E100 and Maus both have camos that have a "sturdy" vibe to them
I feel like the 121 could have a camo that's a lil more "explosive"
halcyon thunder
wait what
🤔
jovial pelican
Hey I’m doing maus platoon who wants to join?
vital grove
broken turtle
what?
exotic ore
Tortoise deserves an armor buff imo
i mean at least make the frontal plate like 180mm thick
solid gate
TOG/KV 2* TX premium
Has reload of tog but with KV2 Alpha Damage
Speed -5kmh
HP 1 (Armour is too thick for any shell to penetrate)
Special ability: When activated next shell becomes an atgm
wheat ridge
Wow
solid gate
Ok load HE and kill it with splash damage 🤣
Well, i think WG should consider rework the IS-8 model, and rename it to T-10, same way they done in PC WOT, at least to make the tank more beatiful, IS-8 is ugly...
languid needle
I agreed, I love the Is-8. I use to run a mod of the T10-M, basically Models from Wot PC but the devlopper couldn't update the mod with the recent game updates and it just made my game crash.
wheat ridge
oh that looks cool
solid gate
Yeah, way better looking than atual ingame. It's beatiful asf!!
thorn glacier
Would they ever sell a low tier tank under $2.99
lyric oriole
Maybe but probably for Black Friday only
You can also watch ads and eventually You'll get a Premium tank anyhow, one much better than the low tiers
tranquil maple
T-54 or T30, I only have a credits and free xp for only one of them
gentle wasp
if you are going to use free xp spend it on the t30, since the T28 Proto is garbage
lyric oriole
T30 is still amazing
tranquil maple
@gentle wasp , i played through T28prot , it was kind of good and bad
gentle wasp
@tranquil maple ltwt is a better tank tho
tranquil maple
I researched T-54 with T44 , i only have 75k free xp and i could research the turret and the gun
gentle wasp
ahh so you would be using the free xp to max out the T-54? interesting...
tranquil maple
175mm pen gun would be so bad for grinding
gentle wasp
T30 without the big boy gun is also kinda pathetic
tranquil maple
or Maybe i might buy ST-1 , Gun and turret has been researched on it
gentle wasp
which are you focused on, the t9 or the t10? because those are 3 really good t9s, but the St1 is probably the worst. T30 leads to a bad t10. not sure
tranquil maple
yeah t110e4 is power creeped by other tanks so
lyric oriole
ST-I is actually pretty solid, lately it's all I've been hearing about in the Vet chat @gentle wasp
tranquil maple
ST-1 can be compared to E75 or Vk45.02b
gentle wasp
i thought the consensus was that the e75 was better
lyric oriole
Lately people are saying ST-I > E 75 but E 75 is still good
gentle wasp
also I am comparing it to 2 other really strong t9s lol. Ah I have been hearing the opposite but I am not in vet chat so idk
lyric oriole
VK 45.02 B is absolutely trash
Neither the turret nor the hull armor are good for Sidescraping
thorn glacier
So...play it Hulldown and wiggle so the cheeks don't get penned
tranquil maple
yeah i have 60% on vk45b , it wasnt that bad , pretty decent .
any idea how bad is Vk72k ?
gentle wasp
pretty bad
tranquil maple
cant be better than e100 right ?
gentle wasp
nope it sure isn't
wise moth
VK 72 is garbage
lyric oriole
Can't angle, can't hull down, can't sidescrape
wise moth
Unless you’re playing in CIS server where people shoot a lot less gold, VK72 is frustratingly awful
lyric oriole
They even made the gun worse. No reason in playing it over E 100
tranquil maple
or i will just wait for the NEW british lights i guess
wary saffron
Pz 2 J needs a pen buff
gentle wasp
Or you could have just not bought it
wary saffron
I said it needs a pen buff, not that I want a refund
I'm happy with having a fun little tank with a kinda unique play style, but the pen on it is just horrible, can't even pen sides of tanks with premium at 90° angles
viral lodge
You bought a clubbing tank, this is what happens
gentle wasp
Lol
wary saffron
Are you actually dumb. The reason I bought it isn't seal clubbing, how the fk am I supposed to seal club knowing it has such s--t pen...
I bought it cause it was rare and cheap. If I wanted seal clubbing I'd just run a ke-ni or something, besides I don't even play lower tiers that much
I wrote that because the tank literally is s--t on a stick, and I hope they make it at least playable
viral lodge
I dont club and its a collector, its stats are available for free on websites, you could of checked, not every tank has to be usable lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gentle wasp
Then don’t seal club geez
wary saffron
Okay, I'm gonna repeat to you.
I know it has s--t stats.
I know it isn't what it used to be before 5.5.
I know there's a lot of tanks that became s--t after 5.5.
What I wanted to say is, even tho all the tier 3 are mediocre at best now, the Panzer serves literally just one purpose, being on a shelf (or, in the garage I suppose). I would like to see it have at least some purpose on the battlefield in the future, but it probably won't happen and instead I'll get people raging at me for spending my own money.
gentle wasp
If you knew it was garbage then why would you buy it and then come complain about it?
wary saffron
Okay now you're just trolling
All I said was that I'd like to see a tank made playable, in a chat where people discuss tanks.
thick trout
But I thought you weren't going to play it, and if you buff it then it will just encourage sealclubbers 🤔
wary saffron
My dudes, are you actually dumb
viral lodge
Every tank is technically play able
gentle wasp
How is that trolling please answer my previous question
wary saffron
Did I say "make the Pz 2 J OP, give it 100mm of armor and a 122mm gun" or did I just suggest it getting a pen buff?
gentle wasp
Answer my question first.
wary saffron
Okay now, look
gentle wasp
Yes? I will gladly discuss with you if you just answer my question
wary saffron
As I said, I just suggested a pen buff. I bought the tank for two reasons, because it's rare AND because I thought it would be fun. I wanted to challenge myself to see if I could play the game in a tank that has to aim for weak spots only.
In short, I bought it and I knew it was bad - but I expected it to at least pen some premium shots
viral lodge
Low pen is always workable.
gentle wasp
But you knew the pen was absolute garbage anyway. Any you tuber or forumer or player here would have told you not to buy it because the pen is atrocious.
wary saffron
Honestly it is fun, I destroyed a few tanks only filling up their machinegun ports with shots, but those moments are really rare
gentle wasp
I don’t know what you expected, it is a slow tank with near-useless pen. Just accept the loss of a couple bucks and move on.
wary saffron
Well tbh you're right
gentle wasp
Thank you. I understand if you bought a t10 because of a marketing ploy but this is just a garbage tank. Eat the loss.
viral lodge
If you want to play a lower tier lower pen tank play Leo and dont load prammo and run vents. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wary saffron
...you know, I might try just that, sounds fun enough
gentle wasp
Difference is Leo has speed to get to flanks. Still not enjoyable but at least bearable
viral lodge
Oh crap what have I done
wary saffron
Don't worry I'm not on lower tiers to seal club dudes
gentle wasp
Why are you in lower tiers?
viral lodge
lol, I personally rarely go below tier 7, tier 7-9 are fun, 6 occasionally.
wary saffron
But ocasionally we all enjoy grabbing some low tier to joy ride
viral lodge
I find low tiers stressful and boring
wary saffron
@viral lodge same, 7-10
gentle wasp
Lowest I stoop is 6. Below that is just brainless play, bashing together cold lumps of steel with handguns
viral lodge
lol
wary saffron
Welp brainless play is tiers 1-10 lol
thorn glacier
What's better, wz 111 or 112-2
gentle wasp
112-2 by far
viral lodge
The better comparison is 252u vs WZ-112-2
gentle wasp
Yep
next solstice
Right now I have:
t110e5
e100
leopard 1
jagdpanzer e100
wz121
what should I go for next
Im thinking of either the american missiles or a russian or the fv215b line
gentle wasp
Get an is7 or is4 268 also good
wary saffron
please no missiles
viral lodge
I mean 215B is kinda in a not so good spot rn
next solstice
From what I heard, it's basically an e5 with better fire power but less hp
wary saffron
Yeah 215B got passively nerfed
next solstice
IS-4/7 line it is
wary saffron
I'd say go for IS7 first, IS4 second - you will get modules from IS7 line that can be skipped on IS4 line
viral lodge
IS-4 if you want comp (Im assuming they have/can get FXP)
next solstice
Im going IS7 for the modules on the IS4
gentle wasp
Is7 easier grind is4 better tank
thorn glacier
misses one shot in the is8
-4000000 credits after battle
next solstice
bought the IS
wary saffron
I'm currently grinding the SU-122-54, have to say it's such a great tank, god
I think I will enjoy the Obj. 263 more than any tank in the game tbh - I'll just need to get used to the depression mixed with rear mounted gun
next solstice
IS surprisingly isn't that bad
wary saffron
Stock tank? Nice win considering if it's stock!
viral lodge
IS is either you love it or hate it normally.
wary saffron
IS was my first line I went for back when I was a noob lol, you know how everyone just recommends to "get is7" first
I remember I used to hate the inaccurate guns and their long reloads, I just ran the idiot gun on the IS lol
My god, I just remembered some long lost memories... I used to run the 100mm on the IS-3 as well LMAO
Oh boy, good old newb days
viral falcon
I also ran the IS with the 100mm back then, because I did as well hate the inaccuracy of the 122:D
It was my 2nd line, and due to the centurion line being my first ever line, the long reload and unreliable gun handling struck me like a train :D
wary saffron
Oh god, you literally had 2 opposite sides
Slow & heavy hitters and small pea shooters rofl
thorn glacier
Real pros start on the challenger line
viral lodge
FV4005 was my first T10 lol
next solstice
@wary saffron i had it partially maxed out before
Also I changed my mind about the IS
the gun handling makes me wanna throw a brick at someone's window
viral lodge
lol
tulip edge
Fv215b was my first tier ten. Absolutely butchered the stats in that thing, I have 2k battles in it, so now its tedious to get my average damage higher on it lol
dusk apex
30 day matters more dw
shell forum
Is the T34 a good heavy?
dapper panther
kinda yes
ivory glacier
It is very good
woven tangle
Yes, its good tank for me
solid gate
E 50 B leaked
solid gate
How to play IS5? I'm good on it, doing 3k DMG many battles, but keeps losing despite my efforts...
high aspen
Is this true or is it a hoax? Found this on Mad Gamer’s Chanel.
solid gate
On PC this line exists. I think Progetto was just the beginning.
Kranvagn and STRV 103B are awesome!!!
swift harness
Is the centurion worth going for?
tulip sail
It's not that great and could use a buff but is still good
It just has a particular style
lyric oriole
@high aspen it's a hoax, that same picture has been "leaked" before and debunked
tulip sail
Even the dev's said they aren't adding the swedish tds
nocturne sage
I really hate the at 7 it’s slow and most importantly the hatch oh god the hatch. The hatch makes the armor useless as everyone can pen it. WG should just remove it as a weak spot. The tank is already slow as it is
tulip sail
While I'm ok with them buffing it I really don't want them to entirely remove it
nocturne sage
Like it’s slow a I think it’s the least they can do for at 7 and maybe the at 8 or switch them or remove them
short plinth
chimera is so op... time to nerf it bois
tulip sail
Yeah its definitely op totally wont stop me from playing it
But it needs a trurret armour nerf and probably mobility nerf?
short plinth
nerf all that and give it atgms
swift harness
Does a premium tank require a garage slot or does it come with one?
swift harness
So you can’t pull a premium tank from container if you don’t have a garage slot?
short plinth
no one has done it so I guess so
swift harness
Oh
solid gate
How do you fight a wz120-1g FT? It has OP armour if its lfg is hidden, I can't cod it because it has light tank traverse speed, I can't brawl it because it has over 3000 DPM.... what do I do
valid lodge
Find a friend and hit it from both sides. If all your teammates are dead or busy, play passively or enage other targets. You can also attempt to rush it and get to its sides if you need to just beware the quick turning.
tulip sail
You can also switch to pramo as most with cas can pen it but ashetzer said if your near an ally as you should be you can hit from several angles
ivory venture
Hello, Should i get the Thunder or T95E2 or Buy Chinese invasion crate pls help me make decision. Sorry for bad English
solid gate
Get neither
rustic tulip
^
solid gate
Hello guy, is grinding Hetzer for Stug 3 worth it?
And is the L/43 better for it or the L/48 (hetzer), cause ive heard the L/48 is a kinda a derp gun , and im more like a sniper
hollow belfry
The 10,5cm gun has been removed ages ago.
solid gate
then whats the 2nd gun for hetzer?
viral falcon
It has not got a second gun.
solid gate
Is the su-122-44 the best dpm tank?
Is there any better or not
wary saffron
For tier 7? Kinda average I think
ISU-122S is kinda the same gun but with around 600 more DPM
Or if you're looking for tech tree tanks, Jagdpanther with 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71
solid gate
Then i am gonna buy the jagdpanther
And thanks for the help
wary saffron
Or if you're looking across all tiers, SU-122-54 for true highest DPM - only beat by Tortoise with HESH, but penetration-wise it's safer to stick with SU
@solid gate if I may recommend, get yourself a Jagdpanzer IV - that thing is a proper monster and it's not that hard to get since it's tier 6
solid gate
I want to have jagdpazer e100 and for that i have to have jagdpanzer IV and jagdpanther too
wary saffron
Jagdpanzer E100 is a proper monster too, but pretty slow and the current meta favors faster tanks a bit more
civic terrace
@solid gate use the 105mm on the jagdpanther
solid gate
@zealous anchor
rotund forum
STB-1 Are Good?
tulip edge
Stb 1 is one of the best mediums @rotund forum
rotund forum
Can U Tell Me About Another Best MT On WOTB, @tulip edge
hollow belfry
E 50 M imo
zealous anchor
@solid gate ?
Oh wait dammit its u I never knew
tulip sail
@rotund forum the e8
ashen monolith
Wg pls add atgm to kpfpz 70 irl it has atgms and it was included in the missile testing event which was all about tanks with missiles
-give thumbs up if u agree
lofty saddle
@ashen monolith no more cancer in game please
There are already the T92E1 and the Sheridan, if we start implementing ATGM on all the tanks that had ATGM in real life, the game will become War Robots.
fast compass
Though atgms are a terrible game mechanic, it will take a lot more than that to turn this game into the dumpster fire war robots is.
fierce acorn
other than that
i think the euro line deserves a bit more attention doesn't it?
radiant coral
Wg pls add atgm to kpfpz 70 irl it has atgms and it was included in the missile testing event which was all about tanks with missiles
-give thumbs up if u agree
Most of the People disagree, and hate it & Wargaming doesn’t care, so it‘s not going to happen
solid gate
id the stug the best td for its tier?
gentle wasp
yes
solid gate
thanks, im grinding hetzer for it
gray berry
Tank you WG for the giveaway opportunity
devout urchin
Thanks to WG for the giveaway opportunity
gaunt birch
I’m confused was the scavenger a VI tank since it’s has too much amour he was the only one in enemy team and we only had like a t1 heavy that’s really unfair the scavenger has too much amour but a lot of power hits
gentle wasp
scavenger doesn't have that much armor it just has a weird profile
gaunt birch
But I could not even shoot it’s sides some how
gentle wasp
depends what tank you are using
gentle wasp
the side is only 45mm plate so idk how you couldnt pen
tranquil maple
Is T30 worthy ? , i have a T34 , but i dont like to play it much , its too slow , only good things is gun and turret armor . After watching some youtube video im little confused
solid gate
Well, play style.
lyric oriole
T30 is great, the 155mm gun turns it into a monster
solid gate
Many people does great in German super Heavys, others play on russian Heavys wich fits their style. Some play American tanks and it's perfect for them
lyric oriole
It can be played like a psuedo heavy
solid gate
Well, only get the tank if you like the play style. If you don't like, and try to play the tank, u will be in pain, cause hardly you will learn how to play it.
I love the T34, it's awesome for me, but russian tanks for me are a serious pain. On is5 i perform badly...
tranquil maple
I have 58% on T34 with 1950 avg dmg 100 battles , but on Lowe ihave 67% WR and 2130avg dmg with 400 battles
ashen monolith
Wait holup there was a giveaway??!?!!!?
distant ingot
?
calm drumBOT
[T95]Charlie9868#0067 was softbanned
cinder nebula
Which server has the most unskilled players?
solid gate
NA
low elk
prolly NA
solid gate
But we got some really good players. Super unicums, 70% winrate more.
cinder nebula
What about asia server?
low elk
NA i think spends the most out of any server
stoic pebble
If you plan on going down the T30 line the E4 will be quite different compared to the T30. The T30 has 10 degrees of depression while the E4 only has a pathetic 6 degrees.
celest fossil
Just stay with the t30 its a great tank
Played both but t30 is in my opinion better...
stoic pebble
Definitely.
leaden talon
leopard tier 5 needs a massive penetration buff
calm inlet
not with the amount of alpha it packs
thick trout
^ And with its great mobility
lyric copper
and with great mobility comes great flanking and manoeuvrability
thick trout
And no requirement for great pen
lyric oriole
And it's OK armor for tier 5
lyric copper
and didn’t the MT-25 have a similar gun (or does it still have it?)
gentle wasp
@lyric copper no, mt only has one shell per shot... yea that makes sense i think
shell forum
1 shell per shot, 4 shots 57mm magazine
lyric copper
oh wait that was on PC, my mistake
willow bane
should I pick the KV-2 or the KV-1S?
gentle wasp
Kv-1s
willow bane
I guess so. I like the derp in the KV-2 but I dont like the rest of the tech tree, like the KV-3
IS's are way better
gentle wasp
agreed
willow bane
Tks for giving you opinion @gentle wasp ^^
gentle wasp
@willow bane anytime :)
red grotto
is T95E2 worth buying?
low elk
offer is good
tank is bad
red grotto
0-10 scale, how much is it?
gentle wasp
price is an 8, tank is a 3
red grotto
kay, thanks to both of u
gentle wasp
ofc
tulip edge
Good offer, but still not buying it lol
shell forum
It sucks the tank is bad. I want more medium tanks for my collection
tulip edge
Everytime I shoot one, I always damage its ammorack. I imagine its very frustrating to drive.
shell forum
Unless you started with the Russian medium/Leopard PTA to which your ammo rack is always the first to die
next solstice
hey is it me or is the 121 surprisingly affordable to run
ember quartz
Why maus 9 is so good🤔 like a boss
next solstice
mauschen?
solid gate
Is the t7 French td good???
Which one is better SU-152 or SU-100M1 ?
I think su 152
I did research them both but idk which one to buy
I think su 152 is better because gun is definetly more better and i think it can bounce shots decently
I will buy SU-152 then
Thanks for the help
willow bane
I get the su-152 in the last week, and you will have quite a fun time with it
Its just cool the massive derp dmg
weary cypress
merkava
solid gate
What about it @weary cypress
weary cypress
Will they add it into the game such as the Magnach/M48-M60 patton or Shot da Dalet
solid gate
Idk but isn’t m48 already in?
tulip sundial
fun fact: Jg Pz IV has almost the same dpm as vickers light
solid gate
Is that good or bad @tulip sundial ? Lol
tulip sundial
well, Jg Pz IV is a tier 6, and vickers light is a tier 10 @solid gate
thorn glacier
Should I get amx 13 75, 43 ter, or Comet?
After the vault I'll have enough to get one
gentle wasp
none of the lines are that great
lyric oriole
13 75 is your best bet
hasty hill
AMX 13 Lines is great, trust me
green moth
Meanwhile after i already bought menacing for full price
nocturne sage
Any tips for the t32 American heavy
solid gate
Hull down. Great turret. Always hide the Hull armor. Also it's does not have a great pen, so take a few Gold shells.
nocturne sage
Should I use rammer or calibrated shells and thanks for the tips
gentle wasp
for what tank
solid gate
T32.
gentle wasp
CS
nocturne sage
Ok thx
wise moth
@nocturne sage Rammer
nocturne sage
Ok
thorn glacier
@lyric oriole @hasty hill not even worth getting ready for British lights?
hasty hill
I had free exp ready so yeah...
I didn't even need to grind in Comet, I had plenty exp enough. But for now i would suggest AMX 13 lines because it's suited my playstyle
solid gate
You know what gets me in WoT Blitz? How a long barrel gun has less dpm than a short barrel gun. Makes no sense.
raven jacinth
@solid gate Depends on Caliber, not barrel length, sometimes, both, in WoTb
good example is the Black Prince's 17-pdr, it has around 3000 DPM, more than SU-152
Another example is the E 50's L/100 gun, longest gun than any tier 9 I believe, features more DPM than some other tanks in its tier
neat nimbus
should i continuing the bat chat line?
hardy sparrow
@green moth how do you get the discount on KV2 leg camo or is that random?
solid gate
I have a question who well can a tiger (p) perform against tier VIII?
neat nimbus
oh well light british tanks is then
thorn glacier
Eh I should probably go Brit lights, the bat chat line isn't my playstyle. I feel like the vickers line will play like a tiny high speed hellcat, which I was really good at
neat nimbus
should i skip the crusader
thorn glacier
It's fine when it's upgraded
thorn glacier
I decided to get firefly (for historical training rooms) but it doesn't even matter, both lead to comet
With the vault I can skip that tho
neat nimbus
so cromwell or firefly
thorn glacier
Doesn't matter. I've enjoyed playing firefly but crom is probably a better crusader
neat nimbus
i feel i wouldn't do much on firefly
thorn glacier
Oh but idk if any modules carry over into comet
neat nimbus
i have 36k of free xp
thorn glacier
I checked, Cromwell modules are the stock comet so it really doesn't matter lol
I play a lot Russian so I'm used to no gun depression but if you have that much xp you'll be fine
neat nimbus
a certificate for 28k and ones you got in that event
karmic nymph
For t62a you should run calibrated shells like in the t54?
solid gate
Give kv-2 autoreloader
thorn glacier
Bruh
tough dune
Autoreloader but it gets 50 alpha per shot with 3 shells in magazine 😂
thorn glacier
I sent a German kv2 in #blitz-memes a few days ago but that premium will get the autoloader
solid gate
@tough dune nonono. Same durp gun. Just make it autoreloader
thorn glacier
solid gate
#cursed-images
thorn glacier
Lmao if we had one it'd go there
For now, were just discussing this vehicle
solid gate
Nah. Ima listen to my muusic and nvm what I just saw and ima go bleach my eyes real quick. Brb
The vindicator should have an auto canon since it does in fact have an automatic ammunition loader and Storage magazine, that thing is not loaded by hand
tulip sail
The vindicator should also be able to rival the 183 in alpha but they took quite a few liberties for the interest of the game
solid gate
The vindicator should also be able to rival the 183 in alpha but they took quite a few liberties for the interest of the game
@tulip sail
what’s a 183
tulip sail
It's the td with the highest alpha in the game
solid gate
It's the td with the highest alpha in the game
@tulip sail
Ah the you mean the British death star I see,
but I do agree with you it be pretty cool since the tank is from the 41st millennium and I’ve read in the Lore it’s that powerful
tulip sail
Tbh not really a lot of war hammer 40k stuff annoy me do to it's insane impracticality and general "overpoweredness" but that's just my thoughts on it
exotic ore
idk why
But I feel like Tortoise is just a sad tank
Like it has nothing, except dpm
you can't really camp, since you dont have the speed to get into position fast enough
you can't go frontline, sine the armor sucks, even against tier 8 tanks
also it's so team based
solid gate
Well, it's a kind of tank you have to play in platoon. Also, u need to angle tortoise armor all time. And medium distances. Nor Camp nor frontline. Behind Heavys should work.
T54E1
frank widget
anybody dat oredi owns the m41 90 do u know if the twister camo can b bought for gold?
simple thorn
its 1.4k gold for it
frank widget
noice
tq
tame jungle
Once again, ferdi gang rises over the jpan gang
Cmon jpan, I thought y’all were supposed to be superior
solid gate
@raven jacinth Well I’m talking more about Rhm and Waffentrager having less dpm on the lower alpha smaller caliber yet longer guns. Yeah the short barrel guns have bigger alpha but that doesn’t mean they should have the higher dpm. They have a longer reload for a reason. Pack a bigger punch per shot.
@tame jungle JPanther II just doesn’t have what it takes. Same gun, about same dpm, but worse armor. Not that the Ferdi is a frontline bounce machine. Far from it. But JP II is harder to play in my opinion.
solid gate
@tame jungle once again leopard 1 and E50M effect both are good one needs more skill you gonna keep walking into that or something
thorn glacier
I feel like that's because ho-ri, jp2, and amx 48 aren't carry tanks; you either contribute nicely to a good team or go down with a horrible one
tight void
I know this is off topic but does anybody know what premiums are upcoming to the store that way I can save gold?
wise moth
@tame jungle it’s cuz those stats are taken from the CIS server, and they shoot a lot less gold there
thorn glacier
the tiny kpfpz that you buy before realizing it's a light is here
viral lodge
@wise moth Is that a good or a bad thing?
tame jungle
People are mad that the ferdinand beats their precious little jpan, looks like that extra speed means nothing if it loses more 😎
It’s ok though, they just gotta sit down and play the ferdi to appreciate it
viral lodge
Im quite it just means CIS players dont udnerstand shooting prammo is ok.
wise moth
@viral lodge It means that tanks with armor have their stats boosted. On NA and EU, tanks like Ferdinand get buttered a lot more because people load the gold and just slice right through, but on CIS, Ferdinand is more like an E3 since people are shooting less gold at it
viral lodge
lol so basically CIS people are prammo haters
pastel drum
@viral lodge nah, they are just morons
tame jungle
I think it’s more they know how to rely on standard ammo and not just load all prammo
viral lodge
The fact that Ferd has such a high WR they dont lol, I dont spam prammo but im smart enough to switch to it when I know I cant pen without bleeding.
tame jungle
But you’d think a tank like the jpan, (a tank I’ve heard great things about here so it should clearly win more) would do even better in a server like that
viral lodge
The Jpn TDs have decent armour but all tanks can AP pen them way easier. Ferd is like the Tiger II tbh.
Im not saying Ferd is bad, it does great, but its largely an anti newbie tank since prammo can pen it pretty easilly. (Like the Tiger II)
solid gate
best tier 5 premium tank?
viral lodge
Clubber
Nightmare is a collector but very strong.
lyric oriole
Angry Connor
solid gate
aaand their cost too please
thorn glacier
One does not simply get these
solid gate
@wise moth You don’t need gold to pen a Ferdinand though. The upper hull plate can be penned with Tiger II AP rounds even when it has the high ground. I’ve done it. JP II though has even worse hull armor despite the fact it is sloped while Ferdinand’s isn’t.
wise moth
@solid gate Yeah, but tier VIII meds, and basically all tier VIIs will struggle against Ferdinand with only standard ammo, and even tier VIII heavies, if shooting an angled Ferdinand from a distance will also struggle
Not saying Ferdi is better than JP2, just saying that it will appear way stronger than it really is when people don’t spam gold at it
solid gate
Only mediums and lights (or tier 7s) may need prammo to pen a Ferdinand. And often the Ferdinand doesn’t see tier 7. In fact more likely to go against tier 9.
Well I know how to deal with a Ferdinand without shooting gold. It can be a slight struggle when the Ferdinand player is good and all but even a medium can deal with it without firing the prammo. Of course JP II is even worse on the hull armor as I said. Faster sure but not quick enough on the traverse to not get flanked. JP II is faster to traverse than Ferdinand but it’s no StuG III or something like that.
broken parcel
solid gate
well thats a lie
Honestly I praise the RU server players for not using stinking premium ammo. We could argue it all day but my view is premium ammo lessens skill required. The only skill in using premium ammo is knowing when to use it. But using only AP or using AP and HE makes you have to work even harder to make your shots hit the right places and count. Premium ammo is also expensive. Not as expensive now as it was back when it did more damage (approximately the same or ever so slightly more than standard ammo) but still expensive. Not everyone can afford to be firing premium ammo. The newbies cannot afford it when grinding up lines. Just another way for them to make people buy premium time and premium tanks (or just keep a high credit coefficient tech tree tank).
raven jacinth
k
wise moth
Prammo might still be kinda pay2win, but it’s not as bad as it used to be, and honestly, game balance is so tuned around prammo that removing it would just destroy the gameplay. Tanks like Maus would just be straight up unstoppable if people couldn’t sling tons of gold at it. Heck, even with people slinging gold at it, it’s still pretty close to unstoppable
broken parcel
6 maus’ driving down the lane with nothing that can pen
solid gate
Well you can pen a Maus with standard ammo but it is difficult. The frontal weakness is small and flanking it can be hard if there are other targets around. Still it’s not impossible to pen a Maus with standard ammo. I just wish prammo wasn’t prammo. It makes sense to make it more expensive than standard ammo but it’s like 2 or 3 times more costly. That’s why I hate it. Plus if it doesn’t hit or somehow bounces then you just wasted a bunch of credits. The same amount as if 2 or 3 standard ammo rounds had bounced or missed but with only 1 shot. Times that by a decent number then you’re using a lot of credits. And premium ammo doesn’t guarantee a win though it is semi p2w.
Just got my first ace in the tog ina t8 game xd
tulip edge
My first time getting 7 kills was in a tog. Truly magical meme tank
solid gate
Tog is merely for the memes. In game it’s a piece of junk unless you have a competent team.
viral lodge
I dont see the point of complaining about premium ammo.. Its a feature of the game, it wont go away and it has a purpose and only using it has its drawbacks.
solid gate
I think it just takes less skill than using standard ammo as it opens up areas standard ammo cannot pen. If you want to know how to use standard ammo and where to pen with it then you don’t use premium ammo often or even not at all. Plus it’s downside you mentioned is it’s expensive and nowadays it does less damage so spamming it is not a good idea.
gentle wasp
Exactly, you pay the alpha price for not wanting to aim
solid gate
Which brings me to the point of a certain tank that should have kept the old premium ammo damage or rather just needs better standard pen and dpm. The Pershing. That thing is such a joke nowadays. It was always meh but now it’s power creeped to the ground. Only thing worse than it my be STA-1. Centurion I (Mk III) isn’t great for most players either but not because of lack of pen.
gentle wasp
Complaining about prammo is a weird way to say that the Pershing needs a buff
kindred wren
To be honest they should pull through the prammo nerf properly and nerf Foch 155 and Ho-Ri prammo
wise moth
I will always love my Pershing, but it really is getting to the point that Pershing needs a DPM buff. Just buff up the DPM to the same levels as the Indien Panzer, and the gun handling, and it would be fine again IMO
crimson mist
At least the half of t8 meds need a buff now, heavies are way too strong
kindred wren
Or, god forbid, we just nerf tanks
wise moth
@kindred wren It's too late for that now, WG has already buffed the premiums. (Yes I know that WG can technically nerf premiums, but they'll never do it)
solid gate
@gentle wasp I wasn’t strictly saying prammo is the main problem with Pershing. It’s not. It’s just one problem with it. The premium ammo has high pen on it but lowers the already meh dpm for that and the tank isn’t even that fast, is big, and has bad armor. 48 kph isn’t really fast. 3rd slowest top speed but I don’t think it really reaches that top speed often.
gentle wasp
but you just went from saying prammo is semi p2w to wanting to give it a buff (for pershing at least)
solid gate
@wise moth Eh that dpm buff will mean nothing if you cannot pen much either. 180mm of pen is crap for an American tank. Somehow the T20 can do well with 160 but Pershing struggles because that 180 pen.
wise moth
@solid gate 180 pen is enough (and actually more than a lot of tanks, like the Soviets with their 175mm pen), and pen powercreep is really not a good thing
solid gate
@gentle wasp I think I did poor job there. I’m saying that while prammo sucks because it’s semi p2w the Pershing was always about the prammo. The AP rounds are crap on it.
gentle wasp
@solid gate ahh ok that makes more sense. I didn't wrap my head around that well
solid gate
@wise moth But the T-44 has better speed and all that. Plus it’s a lower down tank. It can work around that weak pen I’m sure. Pershing cannot because of it’s size and bad terrain resistance and blah blah blah.
wise moth
The thing about pen, is that pen is diametrically opposed to armor. Overall, buffing pen gurantees that there is armor on the other side of the equation that will suffer as a direct result, so you can never really achieve proper balance by changing pen and armor. Other things like DPM, alpha, speed, accuracy, and softer stats you can buff and nerf basically at will while not really having as much of a direct effect on other parts of the game
solid gate
And it’s not like I haven’t ever played Pershing. It’s always been too average in some areas and completely crap in others. The only tank worse than it I’ve heard is the STA-1. Centurion I is poor only because it’s low alpha and low top speed.
wise moth
@solid gate Pershing has historically been a solid tank. The mobility is good enough, the DPM was good enough before the introduction of some newer pay2win prems and the heavy buff, the alpha at 225 is solidly average, but Pershing has gun handling tied for best in class, an excellent turret, excellent APCR pen, and the fantastic 10 degrees of gun depression.
All that Pershing really needs is to buff up the DPM to remain competitive in the heavy buff meta, and improve the gun handling to really shine as a true strength, and Pershing will be great again
solid gate
Eh, I still think Pershing should have a pen buff. It doesn’t need to be major but enough to more easily pen side armor which it struggles to pen with AP unless dead 90 degrees and you won’t always be dead 90 degrees to a tank’s side. I don’t mean it has to be able to pen the front of heavies but definitely the Pershing needs a pen buff. No more than 200mm of pen but definitely more than the 180 it has right now.
I thought the Persh always was outclassed by German guns and Centurion I on the accuracy.
wise moth
I will always be opposed to a Pershing pen buff, because
A. As a whole, buffing weaknesses makes for much more bland gameplay
B. Pen powercreep especially is really bad for balance
C. 180 is genuinely fine. It pens the sides of tanks no problem, and will pen heavy weakspots frontally, and you'll still have access to the best non-TD prammo pen in the tier if you really don't have the skill to make it work
solid gate
Of course I haven’t played Pershing in a long time and things have changed since I last played it. I hated it back then so now it would be the last medium I’d pick other than maybe STA-1.
wise moth
@solid gate Pershing does have less fully aimed accuracy than the Germans and the Cent, but .12/.12 gun handling means it snapshots like a boss for a tier 8 (Indien is .16/1.6, and Cent is .13/.13). IMO a buff to .1/.1, or even .09/.09 would make it really special though
glad shore
Found the American bulldog to be a hit or miss, either you can sneak off after spotting and leech off of enemies, or you get HE'd by a thirsty SU-152 and then rushed by everybody else in the enemy team
solid gate
Well the T32 has the same accuracy problem which is something I hate about it. 198mm of pen wouldn’t be bad on that tank if it could hit where you’re shooting. Especially when you have to be turning.
timber pecan
Should I buy the German bull dog (Lek PZ M 41) or save gold for Amx 30 1er prot ?
wise moth
Really the main problem with the Pershing right now is now that heavies have more HP, and now that there are meds with a lot more firepower, it's just harder and harder to justify the Pershing's DPM. While it used to be livable, it's become a genuine problem for a tank meant to be an all-rounder in that aspect.
ashen monolith
Donate it to me is the wise choice @timber pecan
solid gate
@glad shore M41 Bulldog is tough to play but best with the single shot gun. I’ve seen too many idiots try to use the autoloader and fail to pen some of their shots then get melted while reloading.
gentle wasp
@timber pecan 1er is a better but both are really good. more of a playstyle/cost issue there
timber pecan
Gold I get from ads so cost isn't an issue , my play style is usually tanks like Leopard 1 and dracula
solid gate
Honestly all rounders are dumb in a game where each tank is meant for a specific role depending on it’s type and other factors.
gentle wasp
Either one should be fine but I really recommend the Amx (also I don't have the Le Kpf yet) @timber pecan
solid gate
Pershing doesn’t fill a role. It tries to be everything and fails at it.
timber pecan
@gentle wasp okay thank you
gentle wasp
@timber pecan anytime :)
timber pecan
Anyone else with some other opinion ?
wise moth
@solid gate Pershing is meant to be a tank with no weaknesses, but also having the tough turret/10 degree gun depression combo with typical great American gun handling. The problem now is that it does have a weakness now, which is its DPM, and on a med, having weak DPM is really not a good thing, especially when heavies are super strong
solid gate
Only an MBT can do everything when it comes to firepower, mobility, and armor. Mediums tried to do that but are less armored than MBTs.
gentle wasp
Aren't they basically the same thing in this game (also isn't Cent 1 an MBT)
wise moth
@solid gate Pershing kinda is an MBT though. Even the Americans couldn't really decide if it was a heavy tank, or a medium tank
solid gate
@wise moth Man it always had weaknesses before that. It’s a bit sluggish on certain terrains and the universe forbid a Russian heavy gets after it. Also that pen is crappy against the fronts of some other mediums tanks not to mention any heavies. Also only the gun mantlet has armor. The rest is useless.
tulip sail
Its armour works great for what its ment to counter
solid gate
It was kinda a precursor to MBT I guess but it didn’t have spaced armor much less composite armor. Stack Persh against an MBT it won’t hold up as an all rounder. The reason they couldn’t decide the class was because of the weight I think. It was pretty heavy for what they thought for a medium at the time.
@gentle wasp I’ve seen Centurion called MBT, Universal Tank, and then someone on TE discord said no it was a Heavy Cruiser. I don’t think anybody knows what to call the thing.
crimson mist
The problem is that the mediums on all tiers are balanced by having low penetration and high dpm values, which is not the case for the T8 meds, they lack both
wise moth
@solid gate It's not really that sluggish, and is in line or faster than a lot of tanks like Indien Panzer, 59 patton, Cent 1, STA, etc... Overall, it's mobility is still pretty much middle of the pack.
And the hull, while obviously pretty soft, can pull some miracle bounces, and is HE proof. But when it comes to hull armor, who cares? Turret armor is all that really matters.
solid gate
Honestly the German mediums have high pen. Indien Panzer has 212mm and Cent has 226. Panther II has 203. Pershing and T-44 are the ones with low pen.
@wise moth 59 Patton? Really? That’s a premium and a fake. TE even made an article about it and why it wouldn’t work.
tulip sail
Even the British called it a heavy cruiser mbt and universal tank it all depends and it gets even worse when you look at other nations who used it
@solid gate so? It's in the game
solid gate
Honestly I’d rather just say Centurion is the MBT Precursor and be done with it.
@tulip sail Well we all know why Centurion is slow. The top speed. If the top speed was faster than Pershing’s it’d run rings around the Pershing.
wise moth
@solid gate All of the Soviets have 175, the Chinese have 180 like the Pershing, T26E4 used to have 170, T69 also has 170, and the only tanks that used to have that high pen was the Centurion, and the Germans with their 200-210 pen. The problem is that buffs to tanks like the T26E4, and the newer tanks like the Italians, premium French meds, Defender mk1, etc... that have really pushed up the average medium pen to be way higher than it should be
solid gate
STA-1 I don’t know why is slow. It has even worse armor than even the Pershing so that makes no sense.
hollow belfry
It has an enormous cupola aswell
wise moth
@hollow belfry The cupola doesn't really matter when the entire tank is a weakspot lol
solid gate
@wise moth Well you have a point. Though T-34-2 actually has 181 with the 100mm as it’s highest standard pen. Why T-44 has 175mm I don’t know.
hollow belfry
Having a cupola or not having can make a difference. The cupola is just so huge. No cupola could make it harder to hit when hulldown.
solid gate
Also I did poor on my words I guess. When I meant was what that one guy said it right. Tier 8 mediums are all over the place with pen values and dpm.
@hollow belfry That’s Type 61. STA-1 doesn’t have the cupola or it’s not as big.
wise moth
What really ought to happen is that all these newew high pen mediums should have their pen reduced, but as long as WG doesn't do that, the next best thing is to just not to make the problem worse by buffing the pen on everything else.
solid gate
I’m not asking for a pen buff on everything else. Just the Pershing.
T-34-2 is fine as it’s a low slung tank that can get under guns of heavies that have crappy gun depression. It can also potentially flank unaware TDs. T-44 is similar deal though might be a bit bigger.
hollow belfry
STA’s cupola isn’t that small tbh
solid gate
STA-1 just needs a mobility buff to counter than lack of armor.
wise moth
Although, now that I scroll through the list, honestly, it's not that bad. Lots of tanks have 180. The Chinese, the progetto 46, T95E2, 59 Patton all have 180, and a lot also have 170-190. It's really just the French, British, and Germans that have big 210mm+ pen, as well as the STA-1
solid gate
@hollow belfry Still smaller than Type 61’s. Both should have them removed since the entire tank is a weakness. May not be historically accurate without them but it’d be for balance purposes. Make them smaller targets to whatever degrees.
@wise moth But why do tier 8 mediums in the tech tree always feel like the worst mediums in the game?
Good god the 155s cupola is the most dam annoying thing ever
7 heat pen failures in a row on it all in the same center
tulip sail
Then git gud@solid gate
wise moth
Tier 8 meds on the whole have been somewhat meh. It's just the premiums accentuate the problem since a lot of the premium meds are standouts, like Lorraine 40t, Defender mk1, and Revalorise, and historically Mod 1 and Type 59
solid gate
Granted there are some pretty terrible tier 7 mediums in my opinion. Comet is one. It has a little bit of armor if you use full gun depression I guess but it has to poke too often to shoot and it’s pen is one of the lowest at it’s tier.
wise moth
Tier 7 has done a complete 180 though. Tier 7 used to be super medium meta, like Comet and T-43 were all the rage, and then Drac and Rudy and Type 62, although now, with constant buffs to heavies, and new premiums, the balance has completely shifted lol
solid gate
I really despise the heavy meta
I guess that’s true. T29 has become annoying to deal with when you cannot flank it because you’re in a TD or you have no free way too because of other opponents. I don’t know why they buffed it’s hull armor. Now T29 doesn’t even need to hull down. Just drive straight at the enemy and bounce a ton.
wise moth
The only part of heavy meta I like is Maus buff. At other tiers that were already heavy oriented, like tier 8, the heavy buffs have completely wrecked the game balance
And yeah, T29 is completely busted. It was already a really good tank (albeit a little bit forgotten due to its age), but now with the constant buffs it's a monster, and people are seeing it for what it truly is. First it was the mobility/traverse buff, then the new consumables, then the hull armor buff, and now the extra HP
solid gate
Well for WZ-110 I think the HP buff was good. Keeps it alive longer. It’s not easy to just point a pike nose straight at an opponent and even then with that the tank it doesn’t always bounce.
The heavy meta really doesn’t introduce anything fun to the game
wise moth
110 was already really good IMO. I admittedly haven't played it in a while, but that thing is like my best tier 8 heavy with over 40 battles
@solid gate Maus is pretty fun tho. It's pretty entertaining to be able to just hold the W key and laugh as you roll over things
solid gate
But was it fun for every game to be all about the mediums wrecking heavies then seeing who could outdpm each other?
hollow belfry
I’m stacking up exp for the WZ-111 1-4, and the 110 is a really enjoyable drive
hollow moth
Coincidence? I think no
solid gate
@wise moth I’ve Aced it already though I’m not great with it. Aced it on my most hated map, New Bay. Got 5 kills.
@wise moth maus is the only one I find to be ok with the buff it’s still pretty fun to face off
wise moth
The original medium meta was super, super unfun honestly. That's what old Blitz used to be. People would just drive their super OP Soviet mediums to like the one relevant hulldown spot on the map, then just hulldown brawl, and whoever had the higher mechanical skill won.
IMO, the best meta, was right before the heavy tank buff. That was the point when WG had essentially achieved a near perfect balance between the classes, and it's evident in their balance charts. All the classes had about the same WR's and damage per battle, and anecdotally, there was a pretty solid blend of meds, heavies, and TDs in both pubs and comps
solid gate
I’ll tell you what heavy has the worst pike nose. WZ-111. It’s angling is too shallow both ways and the base thickness is crap.
kindred wren
To be honest it was just a uniform soup before the heavy buff
Imbalance is interesting, there is no way around it
wise moth
@kindred wren That's what balance looks like. Of course I would always argue for more specialization, but I mean, it was better than the original hulldown medium meta, and then the so-called "TD meta" after that, and now the heavy meta
When each class has it's place in the game, that's generally a good thing IMO
lyric oriole
Positive don't remind me of the medium meta when the first line I ground out was a turretless tank Destroyer
wise moth
Although I do agree that imbalance is necessary for a game to be interesting. The ideal for a game is when almost everything feels OP
solid gate
When was this hull down medium meta a thing?
wise moth
@solid gate First 2-3 years of Blitz's existence. The usual end point is considered to be the 2-3 period when WG slammed tier 10 med penetration, nerfed prammo, and also nerfed the turrets on Soviet meds
kindred wren
To be honest i think that the TD meta was the worst because all the camping, but to get back on topic about balance: Yes the pre-heavy meta was the most balanced meta, but also the most boring if you ask me. I lost interest in the game because I essentially just went to the same spot on a specific map and it just didn't matter which tank I was in.
The heavy heavy dominance now makes me rethink my strategies and I actually like that. I some time ago proposed a changing meta, and now after the heavy buff I am actually even more in favour of that thing
lyric oriole
The Penetration for meds was insane, I think it was something like 270 for some of the higher end mediums
solid gate
Ah. Well I made my first account back in 2015 at least. I know I started before I graduated high school and I graduated in 2015.
kindred wren
(Changing meta is a balancing strategy that makes a couple of playable items op for a while and changes like every quarter of a year what is op)
wise moth
@solid gate Yeah, hulldown med meta was a thing when the T-62A and Object 140 had 264mm of APCR pen, 330mm of HEAT pen (which did full damage), and had better turrets than heavy tanks. Ngl, it was pretty awful
kindred wren
Back then all you did in med hunters like the E50 M was literally go for the enemy Russian meds which more often than not secured the win
tough dune
Yellow HEAT tracers would always be flying around in tier x.
solid gate
Wow. Well I guess I didn’t see that because I was free to play back then and it took way longer to get up the tiers than it does now. I was above 10k games before I could even get a tier 8 or 9.
wise moth
E-50M was weak back in the day. It was literally just the tier 9 E-50, but with access to HEAT shells
tough dune
I will never forget russian meds shooting HEAT at my Grille.
lyric oriole
Tbh I'm not a fan of a heavy tank meta.
All it takes is 2-3 Coordinated heavies to push through a line and break with easily.
It's extremely reminiscent of world of Warships legends. There aren't aircraft carriers yet and that lets battleships sit in once place or aggressively push through leaving no purpose at all for cruisers.
The heavy tank meta is just not fun. Battles become standstills and given how mobile heavies are in blitz a medium tank doesn't stand too much of a chance.
wise moth
E-50M literally had the exact same armor thicknesses as the E-50, the exact same APCR shell, the exact same p/w, and the exact same accuracy, and the exact same DPM. All it got was HEAT shells in exchange for being a tier higher lol
kindred wren
I don't see many standstill battles, and yes, medium tanks don't stand much of a chance in 1 vs 1, but exactly that makes playing mediums interesting
solid gate
@lyric oriole Probably one reason why T-34-2 is a struggle for me. It’s not a fun medium despite being so low slung.
kindred wren
Either work around them or, if that's not an option for you, join them
wise moth
@solid gate You should be playing it with the big gun
solid gate
Honestly mediums without gun depression are harder to work with when so many maps have small to big hills.
@wise moth Uh no. Less dpm, less accuracy (granted faster aim time but blah), less standard pen. Need I go look at anything else that is worse?
It’s not much better than playing T-44 with 122mm except you don’t have that dumb long as heck aim time the T-44-122 has.
My opinion of course but the 100mm is staying. Heck it looks better with it too. Call me stupid or whatever but I’m not changing my mind.
kindred wren
I highly recommend using the 122mm, this tank not only relies on the alpha, but the gun is actually much nicer to play because the bloom is just awful on both guns, but with the 122mm you at least get that aim circle smaller faster
wise moth
@solid gate The only tangible gain from using the small gun is more DPM, and the 100 doesn't even have good DPM anyway
175mm pen is honestly, not that different from 181 pen. And while you do indeed have better base dispersion, there is one critical thing you have overlooked. the 100mm has the same god awful .22/.22 gun handling that the 122 has. However, the 122 at least gets the godly aim time to compensate.
Moreover, when you do shoot someone, hitting them for 400 is a lot harder than 280 at tier 8, and you get the advantage of having access to HEAT ammunition instead of APCR.
Trust me, the 122 is the way to go on that tank. You're just shooting yourself in the foot with the 100mm
kindred wren
I played both guns and I can without doubt confirm that the 122mm is indeed the gun that makes this tank shine
solid gate
@wise moth That’s your opinion. I’m not changing it though.
wise moth
With the 122, you can play a hulldown much more easily by peeking with the tough turret, aiming for that 1s, slamming someone for 400, and then running away with the mobility.
With the 100mm, you'll need a lot more exposure time to aim, and to keep peeking, and the turret is not going to hold up forever
I know it's an opinion, but you're clearly suffering, and being stubborn in an opinion that's making you suffer really isn't wise, especially when the tank is actually pretty fun
solid gate
Besides a 122mm medium isn’t any more special than a 100mm one when heavies have the same size gun as the medium and some are almost as mobile.
kindred wren
You don't have to believe us. Just try it out for like three games
wise moth
T-34-2 is one of the fastest tier 8 meds, other than the completely unarmored French ones. Think of it kind of like a T49, but with armor and pen
solid gate
Well I’m a hypocrite then I guess or am I? Because it’s still a longer reload than something like a Comet and as I said the tank is low slung. The biggest problem is not the guns but the lack of gun depression for me I think.
wise moth
@solid gate The thing is that the 122 completely changes how the tank gets played. When you need to keep finding angles with the 100 to keep putting out damage, the gun depression is a lot bigger of an issue than it is with the 122, where you need to find much fewer shot opportunities, and can even afford to just take a hit to trade if needed
solid gate
And I may have struggled with the 100mm so far but I didn’t have full crew so that makes a difference.
wise moth
I genuinely loved my T-34-2, and it's actually my highest DPB tier 8 med, even more than my beloved Lorraine 40t, and you're honestly missing out on a pretty awesome experience by not running the 122
solid gate
Why would I pick the 122mm when it can pen less areas? 175mm may not be bad but still less than 181 which means less area of penetrable weak points. I’d rather pen 2 280 shots than bounce 1 400 alpha shot.
kindred wren
Surprisingly enough, it's also my highest average damage tier eight medium tank although i didn't even like it that much (and was already on a decline as far as my skill is concerned)
solid gate
Of course you’re going to counter argue that a heavy trading 400 into you for 280 into them isn’t a good trade. It’s not but neither is bouncing off them and them still getting that into you. Damage is better than no damage.
kindred wren
6 mm of penetration is literally less than the 5% RNG margin for both guns. I get more mm of extra pen by just installing the calibrated shells. It's not a lot and will help you in very very few cases when you shoot very specific spots
solid gate
Well still can make a difference in how big a weak point looks on the hit skin.
wise moth
@solid gate Trust me, but the number of scenarios where that 6mm makes a difference is incredibly minimal. And remember the alpha is important because you're going to need a lot more exposure time with the 100, especially considering that you have the same trash gun handling, but not the godly aim time
It's much better to only have to peek for like 5 shots to be able to deal 2k damage, and only need like 2s of exposure time for each peek, than to have to peek for 7-8 times with the 100 and need like 3-4s of exposure time for each peek
kindred wren
I mean, just try it for some games and if you don't like it you can still go back to the 100mm
wise moth
^
solid gate
I don’t know. I’m already on 100k XP on it. Would be almost pointless to try that gun on it now.
wise moth
@solid gate Well, at one point or another, you're going to have to get used to the big gun, because you'll eventually have to use a similar gun on the 121 where there is no 100mm option
kindred wren
If you don't want to spend your hard earned xp now you can grind the gun on the Chinese IS-2 as well if I'm not mistaken
It's generally recommended to grind the heavies first, since the grind is easier and it will unlock you a few modules for the mediums too
solid gate
The next tank will be unlocked well before that’d make a difference in the remaining run. Sure the WZ-120 has a 122mm as the best gun but that’s something I’ll have to learn anyway as it won’t be the same as the T-34-2 one. Also I already played Chinese IS-2.
kindred wren
So you do have the gun unlocked?
solid gate
Now on the WZ-110 as I indicated earlier.
Yeah but I replaced it with 100mm after I bought the tank.
kindred wren
Well, what it will change for you is that you most likely won't struggle as much with the tank anymore
solid gate
Besides if I wanted to play the 122mm that’s what T-34-3 is for.
solid gate
Eh. It won’t make that much of a difference. I didn’t say I didn’t struggle with T-34-3 in battles in that thing. T-34-2 with 122mm isn’t going to be much different than that thing.
Anyway WZ-110 is a different kettle of fish. Nice tank but hard to remember not to angle it (because most other heavies rely on angling) and going around corners is a problem for it.
kindred wren
I don't know what you stand to lose, it costs you exactly nothing. May it make your T-34-3 obsolete? Yes, but that thing is already by all means obsolete and a bad tank, unlike the T-34-2 which is a good tank
wise moth
@solid gate Shouldn't you already have the 122mm from having the 110 researched?
solid gate
I don’t see how a T-34-2 with 122mm is a good tank. The 122mm makes it look goofy and it’s only advantage over T-34-3 is even smaller size.
wise moth
The T-34-2's 122 is the 110's stock gun, so there's 0 investment
solid gate
@wise moth I said I switched the guns after I bought the tank.
wise moth
Smaller size, more mobility, stronger turret, more HP, and substantially more camo. And the gun has better gun handling (albeit slightly irrelevant since both tanks have god aim time)
solid gate
How does it have a stronger turret?
Man I wouldn’t want to go back on my word or idea. I decided long before I got the tank I was going to try/run it with the 100mm and had compared both guns.
wise moth
@solid gate Here's the T-34-2 turret vs. T-34-3 turret vs. T34 AP shells
One of these is quite clearly a much tougher target than the other
solid gate
Both still have stupid little cupolas which is what seems to get hit the most as far as I know or can tell.
hard nexus
doubt
wise moth
@solid gate Yeah, but T-34-2's cupolas are a lot smaller, and the overmatchable roof is a much smaller target as well
solid gate
Well T-34-2 does look stronger in places and yeah it is a smaller turret. Maybe T-34-3 should get a buff? I know it’s a premium but yeah. Not that it should be a lot stronger than T-34-2 after the buff.
worn swift
Conclusion: stop at the T-34-1 unless you like pain.
Edit: or you really want the 121 for some reason.
wise moth
@worn swift T-34-2 is really fun though. And 121 is actually good now or something
hard nexus
t-34-2 is stronger in all places, prems should be worse than tech tree tanks
solid gate
Though for aesthetics side the T-34-3 has a much nicer 122mm gun. T-34-2’s is too short. Kinda like Chinese IS-2’s probably because it’s the same gun?
wise moth
Ngl though, T-34-3 is a really sexy looking tank
hard nexus
it has russian vibes
solid gate
@hard nexus I disagree. They shouldn’t be worse but shouldn’t be better either. They’re merely meant to earn more credits.
wise moth
@solid gate Yeah, but it's better to err on the side of worse than it is to err on the side of better
hard nexus
if they were the same, then there is no point playing the tech tree variant after grinding the tank out
solid gate
Well but if you make them worse then they die easier and costs can bring that credit earning down to what the tech tree one earns (especially if the tech tree one is enriched) which makes it being premium moot.
hard nexus
having premium tanks that are on par with tech tree tanks still keeps the idea of skipping to high tiers
solid gate
Well when you say worse you imply so poor there’s no point in it being a premium. Look at Chi-Nu Kai. Granted they made it’s coefficient too high but the tank itself isn’t worth playing so that credit coefficient being that high means nothing.
worn swift
121 is kinda pointless still. If you're gonna suffer through a bad grind for a tier X medium anyways, best to go for the STB where the suffering is early on and you get through it quicker. 121 has a pretty decent VI and below grind, a great tier VII and then the VIII and IX are torture. STB line, on the other hand, has meh <V's, a pretty bad tier VI, a tier VII that at least has one redeeming feature, and gets good at tier VIII.
solid gate
Nobody wants to play a tank that sucks. Even if it is a premium.
hard nexus
its not worth playing because
1 it costs your arm if you didnt buy it years ago
2 there are much better premium tanks
worn swift
And being a masochist, of course I'm going to stop at Chi-Ri and not actually go for the STB-1.
solid gate
I doubt even those who got it cheap liked it then either. It’s just a Chi-Nu but worse and Chi-Nu isn’t good either.
kindred wren
The Chi-Nu kai is absolutely worth playing because it prints you credits like a printer on steroids
worn swift
Kai is literally so dumb. At least Bromwell is actually better, regardless of how little better it is. Kai is just a Nu with something wedged under the gun giving it less depression.
hard nexus
the reason chi nu kai is bad, is because wg broke game balance at literally all tiers by introducing broken prems and broken tech tree tanks, because people want better prems, and then some people want better tech trees to fight them
solid gate
@worn swift I thought the WZ-120 was the bad one because 3 degrees of gun depression. Also it’s WZ-121 not 121. 2 different tanks. Though thankfully I knew what you meant.
@hard nexus Well Chi-Nu is crappy too. It wasn’t ever good category in the first place and I’d say it’s been power creeped hard. So slow and the reload is a bit too long for it.
wise moth
WZ-120 is the bad one. I absolutely despise that tank. 400 alpha isn't special at tier 9 like it was at tier 8, 3 degrees gun depression is painfully bad, and of course you also need to deal with the painfully bad DPM.
@solid gate Idk why Blitz calls it the WZ-121 when the other platforms call it the 121, same goes for 113
worn swift
Bad naming 💯. T-34 and T34, anybody? Also, one of the main redeeming features of the Nu is the gun dep allowing you to put the actually decent mantlet to good use. On the Kai? Lol nope.
solid gate
@wise moth Well FTR’s old article about it says that WZ-121 and 121 are different tanks. Also I think WZ-120 is days is the Industrial Designation of Type 59. Of course it could have been WZ-121 and not 120 but I think it was 120.
worn swift
@solid gate Idk why Blitz calls it the WZ-121 when the other platforms call it the 121, same goes for 113
@wise moth 113 is because the Glacial, pretty sure there's a prem 121 too.
gentle wasp
Glacial is 112
hard nexus
112
wise moth
@worn swift Glacial is 112, and the premium 121 is called 121b
solid gate
I think there is both a WZ-121 and a 121 if you believe FTR.
They also mention a (WZ-)111/112 and the 113 though 113 they couldn’t find much on. 131 written on the link in the history section might be a typo.
WZ-120 is the Type 59 from what I remember people saying so the one with the 122mm is probably fake. Still 3 degrees of gun depression is terrible. Should be at least 5 like all the other 122mm guns.
wise moth
@solid gate Well, if there is a difference, then the one we have is probably the 121, and not the WZ-121. Wikipedia says the WZ-121 is the Type 69, which looks like this
hard nexus
wg said that all maps are balanced for tanks with at least 4 degrees of gd, no?
gentle wasp
when did they say that
wise moth
Yeah, that’s not something I’ve heard
hard nexus
its somewhere some time
solid gate
@wise moth There might be. FTR was discontinued when it comes to most of the research. The newer articles seem to be like that one about the MBT 70 getting scrapped. OhSlowpoke on TE Discord said he and some who are on that Discord used to work on FTR are are now on TE.
gentle wasp
@hard nexus if you could get a source that would be great
solid gate
@hard nexus Not possible if they added stuff like SU-100M1. That thing has 2 degrees of gun depression. Horrible, horrible gun depression.
wise moth
@solid gate Horrible gun depression, but 330 HEAT pen memes. It’s like the Jgpz E-100 of tier VII. You can even pen T29 and T34 gun mantlets for fun
solid gate
@wise moth I guess but it gets ripped apart easily. I kept it but probably won’t play it again ever.
Well WZ-120 could have been later variants of Type 59 called Type 59-II aka WZ-120B and Type 59D/D-I aka WZ-120C.
Uh what the heck is WZ-122? What Wikipedia person pulled that one and where from is my question. Also seems WZ-121 is the Type 69. WZ-120 being the Type 59. 121 is clearly a different tank.
ember arrow
armour equipment or hp thing for e100
gentle wasp
HP
broken parcel
@solid gate take it from a hall of famer su100m1 player, the gun depression isnt painful if you just snipe
solid gate
@broken parcel That’s like telling me to not move an inch. Sniping is not as easy as you claim it to be. Camping would be what I’d end up doing which is just as bad as getting hammered while relocating or whatever else.
Honestly the SU-100M1 is not a good TD in my book. Shall I write a book on tanks I hate in game and why?
next solstice
painfully bad DPM. The dpm's actually pretty solid. It's on par with the t110e5 @wise moth
In fact most of the tank is pretty solid, but it's a bad tank just because of how garbage it's flexibility is
broken parcel
@solid gate well any tank in the game can snipe as long as you aim. for me thats why i even got in the hall of fame
next solstice
I got that Sniper Medal in my 121 somehow
broken parcel
@next solstice same i have a sniper tanker in my wz121 for some reason lmao
solid gate
Ok but effective sniping isn’t easy when teammates don’t let you do your job but keep getting in the dang way. Oh and relocating doesn’t do jack because you either get spotted and hammered or you still don’t have good angles. It’s ridiculous.
next solstice
Ok but effective sniping isn’t easy when teammates don’t let you do your job but keep getting in the dang way. Oh and relocating doesn’t do jack because you either get spotted and hammered or you still do have good angles. It’s ridiculous.
You don't want to play the Leopard 1 then
broken parcel
@solid gate yeah that happens.
solid gate
If only teammates would not get in the dang way and try to hog the targets to themselves and get wrecked while doing so. Nobody knows how to be a team in this game most of the time. That’s why Random Battles fail. Feel like a hero when you win? Not really because you either steamroll or get steamrolled. There aren’t many close games.
But really the SU-100M1 is not a tank I enjoy. It’s a joke in my eyes.
sturdy bane
Vindicator should have a super high pushing ability compared to other tanks. Let it be the bulldozer it’s meant to be.
tulip sail
@solid gate it seems your trying to be way to close to the front if your running into those issues sniping try keeping a further distance
solid gate
Honestly I cannot remember what I did with the SU-100M1 and it’s been a long time since I played it. But not a fun tank with these maps and all.
coarse stirrup
@sturdy bane I agree
solid gate
Also when it comes to sniping I’ve had both issues of either being too close to the front (like barely behind my team) or being in the spot where obstacles and my teammates are blocking my shots. If the latter is the case moving may come to mind but moving isn’t easy to do. Get caught out in open while relocating the enemy might turn their attention to you.
@sturdy bane That would be good. Not sure why it’s armor is crap.
coarse stirrup
Id say limit its top speed and up its engine power alot
unreal merlin
Have you guys thought about bringing back the original tank lines?
lyric oriole
They probably haven't
agile pendant
Hello there. I've an inquiry. I wanna ask your takes on which tank seems better to acquire at this juncture. The choices being the Cent 7/1, Standard B, or AMX 50 120. For context, I've been primarily a medium tank player but has been doing well in the AMX 50 100 - well enough that it's my highest damage average among all my tier 8s. Can only get one for my next tank so I'm in a kind of a pinch which to get first.
solid gate
Cent 7:1
wise moth
@agile pendant If you like the 50 100, 50 120 and 50b are more of the same sort of play style
Although, really, the true answer is to do none of them and get the Maus
agile pendant
Cent 7:1
@solid gate Mhmm
@wise moth yeah I kinda do - I think it stems from me liking the Strv 74A2 at T6. btw, LOVE the avid advertisement of the Maus. altho I only have the Jpanther as the highest tier in the German line.
solid gate
Don’t listen to him 50 120 is p meh rn
dull bolt
Im kinda sad that fv215b is just let down now just bcoz you have to pay for the extra hp, now i cant go tank coz i cant make good trades, now its just "just go med route and go hull down n save all ur hp for the enemy heavies u left on the flank"
its not as to say the fv is a bad tank, no, its just a sad tank,
calm inlet
50 120 is pretty doodoo ngl
thorn glacier
a french heavy bouncing me is one of the most frustrating things in the game
errant vine
What bonus code in asia server
karmic nymph
For t62a I should run calibrated?
viral lodge
Why in vehicle discussion...
raven jacinth
why not
karmic nymph
File a ticket...
stuck cedar
Hello everyone
I'm new to the game
I was just wondering which tank I should get since I have enough points for one
calm drumBOT
Abdülrezzak Banana#7006 was banned
calm inlet
@stuck cedar i highly recommend the Pz IV D, so that you can go down the E-100 line
the E-100 is a Tier 10 heavy tank, and the whole line is excellent. once you get the Tier 6, it’s really solid
stuck cedar
Thanks
I guess I'll go for the the Pz IV D then
olive sky
no
sweet tree
@solid gate F
edgy dune
is it worth to research the IX gun ?,
solid gate
@edgy dune Yes
Is rhe sheri nerfed in 7.0?
@solid gate Think so.
Aww plz... no
I think it’s getting mobility nerf and a nerf to the missiles. That’s it.
edgy dune
they are just decrease the horsepower 650 to 500-550, if i remember there is the only thing they buff,
Aww plz... no
@solid gate
kindred wren
I have bad news for you, it's worse:
Engine Power of Sheridan decreased: (650 horsepower: BEFORE) to (485 horsepower: AFTER)
Literally 1/3 of it's horsepower gone, acceleration and turning is gonna be slow now
- RIP Sheridan
ATGM Behaviour Changes
Rocket Range decreased from 450 metres to 300 metres
Missiles will have decreased manoeuvrability - Details not specified
Credits: LostKeys#6674 with slight adjustments by myself (range of missiles pre-nerf (450 instead of 350) and grammar)
It is an extract from his summarisation of the 7.0 update stream in #news-discussion
lofty saddle
This is great news for tier X. Now we have to completely remove the ATGM, with a buff of the DPM in compensation.
tame jungle
Sheridan wasn’t the issue, and nerfing it that hard is bad, the t92 is the issue
swift harness
So I was wondering which premium tank is the best to get. I’m thinking about Lowe but I’m not sure if Lowe got nerfed or not.
woven stone
Premium tanks can't and don't get nerfed...
tulip sail
The lowe is a great credit maker and is a good tank the T34 is a better tank but makes less
@woven stone yes they can and have
gentle wasp
They can be nerfed and they have ^^^
woven stone
Collectors have
tulip sail
Premiums have as well
woven stone
but not premiums
remote bolt
I guess, BC line is the worst
swift harness
Wait the T34 is better than the Lowe?
Usually in a match the Lowe does more contribution and dmg than the T34
glass crypt
t34 requires a brain to be better, lowe is just budget tiger 2
swift harness
I just got into a match with both of the tanks on my team. Lowe did the most and T34 did the 2nd best
T34 doesn’t have front hull armor thats why it requires brain to play
What do you guys think about the Lepkz tank that’s on sale. Is that good?
glass crypt
yes its a bulldog which already is a good tank but better, i don't have the tank but thats what im hearing
not sure about the dpm but its much faster
tulip edge
@swift harness its a good tier 8 premium, worth the gold.
Though I still prefer my ru 251 to it
tulip sail
I've been wanting it a while it's a really good tank
kindred wren
It’s ok, but a lot like the Ru 251
gentle wasp
It is a bit different, less gun dep but more alpha and the same HEP
gentle wasp
Le Kpf has better soft stats, will be at a higher speed most of the time
swift harness
Bruh turns out premium tanks doesn’t come with one garage slot and I need to buy one before I get it
gentle wasp
most bundles come with one
zealous anchor
Wait what I always thought they come with one
gentle wasp
Pretty sure if you just buy one off the tech tree it does not include a slot
swift harness
Oh
Last thing I want to see is that I got Lowe but then it became a bundle and it’s cheaper
gentle wasp
yea don't buy lowe straight from the tech tree. Wait for a cheap bundle, they sell it all the time
swift harness
Alright but It’s probably going to be long before they make a Lowe bundle
gentle wasp
or if you can't wait that long they have discounts on the tech tree prems sometimes. maybe for WG birthday
swift harness
Oh yeah I forgot about that. Sometimes they might include the all 9 equipments slots. The only reason I haven’t gotten Lowe yet is because I don’t want to buy a garage slot for it.
gentle wasp
garage slots are pretty common in events and things but yea if you can wait for a little you can get it for very cheap
tulip sail
Anything below t5 is just memes
tulip edge
Youre best off selling it
tulip sail
I think they are asking bc they want to buy it
swift harness
Yeah but I might just get it since the Großtraktor is like the 2nd memey tank since bob semple claims 1st place
Will wg ever put Ke-ni back in the market?
thorn glacier
Großtraktor would be good if it wasn't always everyone's #1 target lmao
finite frost
Honestly I wouldnt buy Grobtraker unless ur gonna use it occasionally...especially since its HE is useless now because the 5.5 update
tulip sail
Tbh the GroBtraktor isnt that big of a meme it was great for what it was ment for
finite frost
^^^^^^ It's also more of a light tank in a heavy tank look...armour is useless
tulip sail
Its neither of those it was a medium and of it's time had average armour but in game it's ok though the 75mm offers good alpha
kindred bone
anyone own deacula?
thorn glacier
Can I just say, the comet is such a GOOD looking tank I absolutely love it
edgy dune
anyone own deacula?
@kindred bone no, but my first thing to buy is dracula lol
tulip sail
I've got it but I've never played it
subtle mason
Yo guys help me to decide, should I buy lekpz90 (german bulldog 8 tier) or better wait for a discount on kpfpz70?
tulip sail
What's your main?
subtle mason
Uh. Meds I think. Playing mostly meds and TDs. https://www.blitzstars.com/player/eu/saegifu/
tulip sail
I'd probably say lekpz90 since it's closer to a med style than kpz70
kindred bone
i want to buy a premium tank same style as dracula, u think should i wait for dracula or any recommendations ?
solid gate
OF 40s should be added at some point in the future.
thorn glacier
@kindred bone you'll prob love the amx 1er
viral falcon
AMX CDC is literally a dracula
valid orbit
I doubt they will ever sell dracula again
solid gate
Dracula has been sold in Christmas events after the initial event where you could have potentially got it for free.
It and Helsing I think will end up there again.
tulip sail
It also shows up on black Friday
tulip edge
Of course they will sell the dracula again. Its a popular tier 7 premium
tulip sundial
Smasher pretty popular, it rarely sees the light of the shop
viral lodge
Well ya its the Smasher it was last sold in crates, its the higher average WR tank thats not in testing that im aware of
solid gate
T23e3 or comet?
gentle wasp
Comet
thorn glacier
I HATE the k91 clip
I'm at 200 health in my wz111 and we're both hulldown and I get a bounce I'm like "aight nice" and I peak when my reloads almost done bc he exposes himself but he shoots again, and hits me with HE probably because I still had a little health left. He starts moving forward exposing himself fully and I come out to shoot and run but HE SHOOTS AGAIN AND KILLS ME. 3 shots is just unreasonable 😔
strange thicket
wdym 3 shots unreasonable
gentle wasp
Not sure you quite understand the autoloading mechanic.
strange thicket
it is a literally heavy with a bad dpm and only does 350 damage on each shot in the clip
you must hate the amx 120 then because it does 400 in a single shot from the clip
@thorn glacier
hollow notch
It actually has decent dpm
wise moth
@strange thicket It's not bad DPM though, it has more DPM than a Conq lol
Although that aside, autoloaders aren't unreasonable lol
strange thicket
@wise moth oh
didnt realize that
i thought it had bad dpm like other autoloaders
wise moth
@still briar They have the same base DPM, but Comet can have higher DPM because it gets rammer instead of vents, but if both use calibrated, their DPM is the same
hollow notch
Increasing dpm
Comet also has trollish armor, where the dog is an almost guaranteed penetration
ember arrow
50b or t57 and why
thorn glacier
@strange thicket I do tho
strange thicket
@thorn glacier they are reasonable tho
the mechanic exists since so long you just have to learn how to deal with it
k91 reloads in 17s as far as i know
if he played smart enough untill he was fully reloaded then he deserves his win
next solstice
you could always find a way to deal with it
hushed shadow
Was not very obvious as a joke
next solstice
The "joke" was so bad that even PalractusBeach himself had to delete it
main quest
now i hope we can all agree on the Sp 1 c being 1 shotted all the time
main quest
lol, ive litterally beat tier 10s with it, you just dont know how to play it
violet hazel
The Chieftain T10 is ruined. cost a lot of money too a year ago. No speed, reduced pen, basically conned.
tulip edge
The chieftain mk6 is a good tier ten. Its a flexible heavy tank, it has ten degrees of gun depression, good hull and turret traverse for a heavy and can go 40 km/h. There is nothing wrong with its mobility. And for me, penetration has never been an issue in the tank because it has great accuracy with high shell velocity as it shoots APCR as standard and premium, and you can confidently snipe weak spots, such as the bar ontop of the E100s turret. Or you can just load the gold for 300mm of apcr penetration and you should be fine.
Much like the fv215b, you shouldnt really be frontlining or putting yourself in positions where you're taking on superheavies frontally anyway. The chieftain works very well as a medium support tank, especially with the HP buff.
tulip sail
Not soon enough
solid gate
T1 HEAVY is too armored And this is a Tier 5 Tank
haughty forge
T1heavy needs a armor nerf. It is the best tier. 5 tank now. front armor is soo hard to penetrate it needs nerf.(becuz other t5 heavy tanks are nothing to t1 heavy)
solid gate
Heavy tanks are slow with treason , outmanouvreble to kill , its fine the way it is . T1 heavy is ok , it supposed to be hard to kill (super)heavy tanks in all tiers ,
distant sphinx
Progetto has the must clutch and underrated hull for mediums
green moth
what a fitting vehicle to have a kolobanov in
bronze pond
Can we add 50cal on the T32 turrent just to make it more handsome
solid gate
Hey guys any suggestions on wich should be my first td
glass crypt
hetzer
all the others suck in comparison, just name one which sucks less im all ears
tulip edge
@solid gate For your first td line, I'd probably reccommend the russian tds leading up the object 268.
strange thicket
Jpan gettin bear by the amx ac is very funny
@tame jungle LoL especially knowing amx ac is hot garbage
tame jungle
Ferdi gang 💪
strange thicket
Irrelevant to what you said but okay
Enjoy your sluggish flat tank
solid gate
@solid gate For your first td line, I'd probably reccommend the russian tds leading up the object 268.
@tulip edge oh alright thanks for the help
livid yacht
I could agree with a small buff but if you use your gun dep with your gun arc then it's quite good
solid gate
Is the wz (Td) good?
thorn glacier
They have epic gun depression
It's like the french line and Russian line had a baby
tulip edge
@solid gate do you mean the tech tree line?
wise moth
It's trash
thorn glacier
I mean every line is good if you're good at it though
tulip edge
Yeah the line is pretty bad
wise moth
Yeah, but in the hands of equally skilled players, it's trash relative to everything else @thorn glacier
tulip sail
Dont worry the t8 premium isn't bad tho
thorn glacier
Chinese premiums are good and there are way more of them than I thought
tulip edge
When I played that thing like a year ago it was so broken
wise moth
Yo, has anyone played the Jagdtiger recently? It feels kinda OP actually
fervent dune
It's always been good, it's just gotten even better with the front armor buff
wise moth
Granted, I've only played 8 battles in it so far since the buff, but I've managed to win all 8, and post up 4k average damage lol
ivory glacier
It’s dpm is crazy lol