I haven’t played my Pz III in a while but you’re comparing a tier 3 to a tier 4. Though I’ve yet to see if I can make the B1 work against tier Vs.
#vehicles-discussion
solid gate
slender cliff
Its easy to pen if you can work around the front
solid gate
BDR G1 B also is annoying me with the bad accuracy when moving even a little.
slender cliff
I prefer the pz4 by light years
solid gate
I didn’t have to get those 2 but decided to anyway to see how I can handle them now. Pz IV D (which is actually the F2 when fully upgraded)?
hardy sparrow
Should I buy IS or KV3?
solid gate
The G is ok but I’d love to have the H in game. And not the Anko but the real Pz IV H.
slender cliff
Yeah it’s basically a F2 when fully upgraded.
Yeah the g is the t5 it’s armor is quite nice for a med
solid gate
@hardy sparrow Depends. IS is more mobile but KV-3 might can side scrape better?
hardy sparrow
But which is better against mediums?
solid gate
@slender cliff Because they upped the armor in some previous update. Before that it was just a lower Pz III/IV.
slender cliff
I used to have the anko and did really well in it. It’s comparable to the g
solid gate
@hardy sparrow IS. Especially if you use the 100mm gun.
slender cliff
Although in war thunder. The pz4 g is superior to the H
hardy sparrow
@solid gate thx,well I'm buying that
solid gate
People underestimate the 100mm. Especially medium players who are used to IS players running the 122mm. They get overconfident and pay the price.
slender cliff
@hardy sparrow stock IS is terrible. Also kv-3. But if you get it, you have to suffer through the kv-4 but it leads to a great tank. If you play the IS, you don’t have to suffer through the t8,9 but the t10 is really power creeped
solid gate
You don’t brawl a 100mm toting IS with any medium tank. Even if you win you’ll generally lose a lot of HP.
slender cliff
The 122mm on the IS is great but at the cost of aiming time and dispersion.
It takes getting used to but it’s a great tank
solid gate
I have played both guns. For a time I thought using the 122mm gun on the 2 tanks was stupid because of the long reload and bad accuracy. With the 100mm you can take on mediums who rush you much easier. But the 122mm is a bit scarier since it has that big alpha. Though not as scary as a KV-2 or even worse, a Smasher.
slender cliff
Kv-2s are basically balanced to oblivion because of their aiming time and dispersion. I think the 122mms are strong at that tier because they can wipe out lower tier tanks with impunity. Yes they have somewhat long aim time but that’s easy to get used to. Meds will fear the damage output and it really isn’t conventional to use a stock gun on a heavy when you know you will fight against tier 8 heavies
lyric oriole
KV-2 having the ability to one shot same tier tanks and tier higher tanks in some cases isn't balanced. Not even 183 can do that.
rancid shale
Yes the kv-2 is balanced because of it’s lowered HE pen, terrible aimtime, terrible dispersion, and terrible reload. Yes it can one shot other tanks but at the cost of all the other things I listed above. That makes it balanced. The kv-2 is more balanced than the op vk 36.01H
slender cliff
Yeah, saying a tank is imbalanced because it has the possibly the one shot other tanks isn’t the reason. You have to pay attention to other factors rather than sheer damage.
It’s basically saying the su-152 is imbalanced which is certainly balanced by its armor accuracy and lack of turret
lyric oriole
SU-152 is also imbalanced, the 122mm reloads ridiculously fast, and the 152 gun has too much going for it.
Arguing that a tank that can shift the game in one shot because it has worse accuracy and reload time than a normal tank isn't balanced. There is no reasonable argument that can be made to say KV-2 is balanced unless the 152mm is removed.
tame jungle
solid gate
KV-2 is an iconic tank exactly for his 152 mm, otherwise it is not a KV-2, forget about removing that gun. And I don't think it will be nerfed again
slender cliff
@lyric oriole wrong. the su-152 benefits in correct positioning to rack up kills and damage. You can’t stay near the frontline and you can’t camp too much or you will be wrecked by flankers. It all depends on the players skill which makes the su balanced. Saying that the su-152 is unbalanced is basically scrapping its armor stats, dispersion, reload, and the players skill. Plus, 14 sec isn’t the fastest reload and like I said before, it takes good aiming and positioning to effectively aim your shots to the back and rear of tanks to effective in battle.
The kv-2 can be a game changer when it one shots tanks but while doing so, but in some situations, it leaves itself more open to the enemy tanks after it fires pretty much balancing the situation. Take in Mind that this is one situation of many
plucky summit
The only thing the KV-2 needs to do is go behind cover, and you can't rush them, they have teammates, and that KV-2 just took one of yours
KV-2 has high risk, but it's a very controlled risk. If you follow a set of rules while playing the KV-2, it'll turn games around, and the enemy has to take a huge risk to rush and kill the KV-2 and their close allies in order to stop it from firing again
Even then, teams don't have a good chance to cooperate in such a maneuver, and it doesn't happen enough. KV-2s who sit alone, die. KV-2s with teammates? What else can you do? It'll just one shot your flankers with a little stroke of luck
slender cliff
If that stroke of luck misses, the kv-2 is pretty much dead
plucky summit
I think the KV-2 is a great tank, alone it still pumps out decent DPM while leaving devastating marks every once in a while
If he misses, then he'll just get behind cover and you can't hit him because his allies are protecting him
It's almost like artillery, it keeps smacking your team, but you can't smack it back because you have to plow through their team first
slender cliff
It is great but not imbalanced.
It would be much harder for the enemy team to shoot at 2 flanks at the same time. This would most likely give you the victory
plucky summit
This is assuming the enemy all crumples into one area, won't happen
slender cliff
A team surrounded is a dead team
plucky summit
That team will spread apart naturally
You say the flankers against the KV-2 is uncountered, the KV-2 has mediums on their team too
lyric oriole
If a KV-2 is watching the Flank, it will demolish a flanker.
Also SU-152 has really high DPM for a 152 in tier 7, it's about on par with tier 10 TDs to a degree
plucky summit
I think SU-152 is also a great tank, even a danger to itself
slender cliff
@plucky summit if there are enemies on both sides, the team will have a lot of difficulty protecting their kv-2 lol
low elk
SU152 has HP problems
thing lacks HP
3 shots from any gun with a slightly high damage vaule and its dead
plucky summit
Teammates aren't the only thing protecting the KV-2, that rock over there is too
slender cliff
@lyric oriole when do you see the kv-2 look for flankers? Rarely. You also have to realize you are only looking at the 152s reload not any of it other important factors
plucky summit
Good KV-2s watch for flankers, and maybe dump one with HE in the process
slender cliff
@plucky summit ok sure mate totally
plucky summit
@low elk Same problem with ISU-152, but holy hell it's such a good TD
I watch for flankers in my KV-2, how else do you stay alive when you know you're compromised?
low elk
BL10 great gun
now we have to wait for an IS3 with the BL10 with the same reload as the ISu152 and WG calling it the Doomer
plucky summit
Y e s
slender cliff
@plucky summit you should be acting like support fire not hide behind team line waiting for an ambush
low elk
just use the pencil gun on the KV2 and be a disgrace while shredding everyone in front of you
plucky summit
It does, until it finds that their mediums failed to kill theirs, so just finish them off
Assuming their mediums even kill the KV-2s
slender cliff
The pencil gun isn’t bad actually
plucky summit
Great pen on it, the accuracy is honestly the only problem
low elk
pencil gun has no downsides at the tier
plucky summit
Accuracy ._.
slender cliff
It just doesn’t go well with the kv-2 itself. The t-150 is far better suited.
low elk
accuracy isnt a problem if ur a heavy
what are you gonna do SNIPE with a heavy?
t150 has a 13 second reload for the same thing
KV2 has 8.8 second reload
just be agressive since you can do high alpha for a t6 heavy then back off
slender cliff
The pencil requires a tank with good armor. I’ve seen it take on vk 36.01hes with ease
low elk
T150 is bad rn armor is all its got and everything pens it
slender cliff
Not as bad as the kv-2
low elk
KV2 at least can play like a support heavy, much like the higher tier french heavies
plucky summit
KV-2 is just better with the 107mm, the T-150 can't pump good DPM and still gets penned occasionally anyways
slender cliff
Kidding me right?
low elk
ur not scaring people with a T150
all ur getting is gold in your face and light tanks behind you
slender cliff
Gold means they are scared lol
plucky summit
I mean min armor you'll pull off on the hull is 140mm
Gold also means you get penned, and you'll die easier
low elk
and plus the KV2 at least has somewhat decent moblity
i drive the T150 and sometimes think im in a TOG
plucky summit
Actually if you straight up shoot the gun mantlet next to the gun, all it is is 90mm on the T-150
slender cliff
@plucky summit gold means less damage output from enemies while they are losing loads of creds. If fired when you think you can’t pen a tank effectively which means you are technically scared of a bounce thus the tanks armor
low elk
or you know
you can aim
slender cliff
@low elk you don’t understand the point
plucky summit
But your DPM is also bad as a T-150, so they're just being safe
low elk
actually the point is that KV2 is just better than a T150 atm
till they make the gun on par i really cant say its a good tank
plucky summit
I like having an extra 687 DPM, don't you?
slender cliff
Still, you have more hp and armor than the kv-2
And when do you see anyone spamming the pencil on the kv-2
low elk
KV2 can do more damage
damage carries more games than your garbage armor and those trash cans you call your team
plucky summit
@slender cliff they don't use pencil because the 152mm is broken so
slender cliff
Exactly, so a T-150 would be better in that case @plucky summit
plucky summit
False
low elk
personal experiences i hate the 152 on the KV2
way less reliable than a smasher
plucky summit
It's like choosing between worse, bad, and good. Choose KV-2 152mm for good. Choose KV-2 pencil for bad, and T-150 for worse
low elk
but then no 152 on kv2 = no kv2
so i just dont play the tank
and even if i do its either for memes or to use it as a armored TD with the pencil, much like a T28 prototype
slender cliff
@plucky summit there are a lot of factors you are leaving out
plucky summit
Like what? The armor? 90mm? ok
slender cliff
@low elk the kv-2 has armor bad for its tier
Its not comparable to the prots armor tier for tier
low elk
dosnt stop me from getting the bounces
and prototype has the same amount of armor tier for tier
you arnt gonna be bouncing much on the proto anyways
slender cliff
@low elk the armor of the prototype is insane disregarding the sides.
low elk
never had an issue penning the prot without aiming
KV2 at least has a mantlet
plucky summit
Reming me what Proto is it
slender cliff
@plucky summit the turret of the kv-2 is more vulnerable
low elk
227 on the thickest is totally gonna bounce a lot
or you know
you can aim up and pen the turret
slender cliff
@low elk with what the bl-10? Ofc you can pen the profs armor with careful aiming.
plucky summit
I'm not arguing that KV-2 has better armor, I'm arguing that T-150s armor doesn't matter anyways
slender cliff
It does
plucky summit
By luck
low elk
with for instance a pantera gun
ive seen KV2s get bounces on its mantlet left and right
never seen a T150 bounce
plucky summit
@low elk Meh, I'm thinking if the T28 Prot had the +4% armor it would matter a lot
+8 base
low elk
could
im not sure
most parts i just see it getting wrecked anyways
slender cliff
@plucky summit nope
plucky summit
I'm considering tanks like the AMX CDC or the Lowe @slender cliff
Lowe with 234 pen plays a very risky game shooting a tank with like 235mm of armor or more
slender cliff
@plucky summit the kv-2 has ALot less armor than the t-150 plus worse camo, hp, pwr to weight ratio, traverse, and dispersion on the move.
It also has worse terrain resistance
plucky summit
Who in their right mind will shoot the pencil on the move? xD
slender cliff
Get real, it’s a battle not a tank showcase
plucky summit
Yeah, but they go the same top speeds, like heavies need to move a lot anyways
Also those camos are so low it doesn't matter
slender cliff
Yes heavies have to to react to certain situations. That’s why no one likes camping heavies lmao
The hp makes a big diff also
plucky summit
I know they move, but in the fight against heavy opponents, it doesn't matter much, their area of speed is too similar to matter
slender cliff
The t-150 will get more bounces and it’s superior in hp.
plucky summit
Yes, but not enough to bring up the disadvantages in comparison
slender cliff
The disadvantages make a tank balanced. And they are comparable
plucky summit
The KV-2's reload doesn't prove that much a disadvantage with the team and the gun's high DPS
broken sentinel
I think WG has done a good job balancing the SU-152 and KV-2. The SU is relatively slow, has a very derpy gun, and no turret, but it has great alpha damage and good pen with HEAT. The KV-2 sacrifices reliable armor, almost all speed, almost all traverse, and all RoF for the sake of high alpha damage. They're glass cannons and I think they're ok in the current meta.
The Smasher and old 183 on the other hand, those are/were completely broken. The old 183 had good accuracy and good HESH pen plus a semi-traversable turret, which made it possible to deal 1300 damage reliably (now it's different since they nerfed it). The Smasher takes really good armor, a great reload, a turret, the SU-152's HEAT pen, and decent mobility and combines it all to make one broken tank. It's everything people want from the KV-2 but at tier 7 (and it's very broken).
slender cliff
Also since you said that no one uses the pencil bc the 152 is broken. In that case the T-150 would win
plucky summit
I did mention the DPM advantage
At least the KV-2 can go down doing a lot, T-150 doesn't have good brawling capabilities with other heavies
slender cliff
It does have a good chance because it’s turret armor is good
plucky summit
ARL 44 is basically better than T-150 in the first place, and the KV-2 has a good 152mm alternative
slender cliff
Don’t even compare it to the Arl. We’re talking kv-2 vs t-150
plucky summit
T-150 became obsolete in the meta, KV-2 has a grip
slender cliff
Oh my god like wg totally didn’t remove it as a collectible
slender cliff
Its not about the meta
plucky summit
Yes it is lol
slender cliff
Weren’t we comparing the kv-2 and t-150? Not the meta vs the t-150?
plucky summit
I'm comparing the KV-2 and the meta, to the T-150 and the meta
low elk
tbh the meta isnt the T150 or the KV2
its the VK36
slender cliff
It’s the arl and the vk
plucky summit
He doesn't like bringing other tanks into this ._.
slender cliff
Because we were making a comparison about 2 specific tanks?
plucky summit
T-150 has fallen behind, and the KV-2 is special in a way to retain competence
slender cliff
You said that like 100 times. After the nerf, the kv-2 in a way fell apart. I believe it didn’t need a nerf
plucky summit
I think it did
pastel drum
I think it did too
plucky summit
At least it'll have a good chance to just ruin your battle instead of just sending you to the garage completely
slender cliff
Same thing basically
pastel drum
Why are we concerned with tier 6 balance anyway?
plucky summit
Idk, I'm bored
slender cliff
Gtg, got to carry on my life
plucky summit
Glhf
robust dirge
Should i get the tort now or save my free xp and use it on the gun
low elk
save free XP for gun or ull regret it
Really
Hard
ur gonna be stuck with a 190 alpha gun
but if you save up you can get a 400 alpha gun with HESH
which is a lot better
tiny dagger
What tank is da best
plucky summit
Ke-Ni Otsu
brisk crown
ThE Fv 215B 183 ToTaLLy
tiny dagger
Is the JgTig,8cm
rapid orchid
Well yes, but actually no
JgTig 8,8 cm is a premium tank
The regular JgTiger use 10,5 cm
tiny dagger
Which tank is full god
slender cliff
Jadgtiger obv
tiny dagger
Like in the game
slender cliff
8,8 is terrible
devout python
how does one use a camo certificate?
I have a tier IV camo, and I'm trying to use it on my SU-85B, but I'm not sure how
low elk
depends which one it is
if its a legendary camo
just click it in the inventory
if its a rare camo
just go into the camo selection of the tank you want the camo for
then click the get button
it uses that certificate to get the camo
devout python
I have a common tier IV and an uncommon tier III
low elk
rare means the camo is usually purchased for gold or its in the rare tab
devout python
ah
low elk
just go into the camo tab and click on the one you want
then click unlock
devout python
ohhh
the appearance tab doesn't seem to show up for me. perhaps I'm missing something
low elk
ahh all you have to do is get to higher tiers
appearance isnt unlocked till tier 5 or 6 idk
brisk crown
5
plucky summit
Maybe new players can't get camoes yet
solid gate
I saw talk about T-150. I think it’s ok but could be better. The accuracy on the gun is the biggest problem along with it being slow. (Though now as slow as a Tog.) they did buff the armor and that may have worked for a while but it’s more or less back where it once was. Now saying KV-2 does the gun better is somewhat true. However, the KV-2 has even worse armor profile (though better mobility can somewhat compensate for that) and less HP.
Also I bounced 3 shots from T28 Prototype’s counterpart, the T28 Defender, and didn’t bounce off him. And I was playing the Prototype.
onyx venture
The defender has less penetration than the proto I believe
Earlier today I somehow blocked 11 shots with my T28 proto
next solstice
I miss my T-150. I remember sidescraping and bouncing tier 8s back when the tier system was +/- 2
slender cliff
Why did you sell it
next solstice
I moved on to the KV-3. This was like 3 years ago and i only got back to the game a few weeks ago
slender cliff
Ok 👌
strange thicket
@next solstice i think you can get it back by a ticket i am not sure tho
tacit flare
vote of opinion here, Obj or T62 A, i can go either way with my T54
i’m leaning on the 62
strange thicket
yeah it is better
tacit flare
kk, just wanted to know before i got too deep
slender cliff
Yes both tanks are fun as heck
tacit flare
sounds good, thanks for the input 🙂
slender cliff
👌
broken burrow
Hey guys, should I sell my IS-6?
tulip sail
No why would you?
broken burrow
Idk, I heard it can get ammo racked easy.
tulip sail
Most is tanks can
solid gate
is-6 poop but I mean, how many premiums u got @broken burrow
@broken burrow A premium is a premium. If I were you I'd definitely keep it. Unless you're really desperate for credits.
tulip sail
Even if your desperate for credits its better to just play a few more Games than to sell a premium and the is-6 is actually pretty good as a med killer and an alright second liner
broken turtle
should we nerf the wz-131g ft? It's really deadly. Great firepower like some ussr tank, good concealment, fast reload, and good aiming time isn't like ussr
broken sentinel
No, just get rid of its consumables
broken turtle
track?
solid gate
M41 tips? Should I go for autoloader?
solid gate
Those new consumables are stupid and annoying. Had a WZ-113 TD use the blast it ERA type one and it threw me off. Could have killed him with my WZ-111 5A if he hadn’t used that junk. Also FV215b heavy tank didn’t get the HP to the degree the other tier 10 heavies did because of the stupid sandbag provisions.
@solid gate Yeah use the top single shot gun. You get better pen and dpm than the autoloader gun.
Alright, thank you both for the responses
exotic ore
hey i have an idea
what if all ATGM tanks can only fire missiles while they are stop in place?
it's kinda annoying when they just spam all the ATGMs while running
or at least make them so they have to point their gun barrel at a enemy to shoot ATGM at all?
broken turtle
well, i think we should buff kv hp. Some german ht is good, shot really fast, and kv hp( and firepower sometimes) can't not beat those panzers althrough in ww2 kv is unpenable when still panzer 4, and pls. BALANCE TIGER
broken turtle
kv-1s vs vk 30.01 h
well, hmm i've check carefully but seem that my kv can't pen 30.01 h front. About 95%
broken turtle
vk 30.01 h
viral lodge
VK 30 h is a tier 5 collector
broken turtle
ah that hard to remeber those vk
viral lodge
KV-1S is fine as is, great gun.
broken turtle
i hate russian accuracy, and idk the 85mm just about 200 alpha
the vk 36 and upper tiger can deal about 2/3 of that, but about half faster
viral lodge
That’s literally Russian accuracy, they get other boons
And ya, Derp tanks tend have eh DPM
While lower alpha tanks have higher DPM
broken turtle
but the armor can't compare to some other
viral lodge
Do you not understand balancing?
broken turtle
eh, no
viral lodge
KV-1S is mobile with good depression and a high alpha gun
broken turtle
but should we get more hp?
viral lodge
ARL is good frontal armour and bad side, great gun,
VK 36 is heavy armour and balanced in everything else
And no, it’s fine. The tank is fine...
broken turtle
kv is hard to play, i need about >50 matches to play the kv-1 well
viral lodge
That’s a you problem not a tank problem
broken turtle
but the IS is better with pike nose
viral lodge
You mean IS-3?
broken turtle
ye almost all is family
viral lodge
Pikenose is generally worse btw.
broken turtle
so i've made a bad decision for the kv-1s and future is?
viral lodge
IS-4 is great, rest of the line is painful as hell.
IS-7 is eh, same for the line. (Easier line, less rewarding)
solid gate
I skipped to the ST-I. I'm enjoying it immensely
fleet berryBOT
iLikeFish#8666 has been warned.
broken turtle
oh sorry
viral lodge
But ya, basically KV-3, KV-4, and stock ST-I hurt,
broken turtle
ye just hurt with the stock
viral lodge
most stock hurt ¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
I don't play tanks stock
I won't run a new tank until I've got enough free xp saved up to skip the stock grind.
broken turtle
well, play kv-2 with stock gun is absolutely really hurt
solid gate
Which non-turret Td line Do you guys prefer and why?
kind bluff
268 is well rounded but it’s a long grind, most of the tanks r fine
T110E3 is a good tier X but most of the line you will suffer
next solstice
I like the Jageroo line the most.
solid gate
What about the French? I Heard its a terrible Grind
languid steppe
Grind is actually pretty miserable, I’ve yet to start the AC48. The biggest stinker in the line is the ARL V39. The bathtub is really good imo but the V39 and AC46 were letdowns imo. The AC46 does get a pretty good gun but comparing it to the JagdPanther it doesn’t hold a candle
soft marsh
I like the Pz.V / IV but its turret is far too lightly armored. I think a little more shielding wouldn't hurt anyone.
What about the French? I Heard its a terrible Grind
@solid gate
I do not agree
languid steppe
I mean the Pz V/IV has to have a weakpoint somewhere, it is a Panther chassis in T5 after all
hollow belfry
*pre-buff Panther hull
Panther has now 110mm on the front and 50 on the sides
Pz V/IV gets 80/40mm
fleet berryBOT
Paddington#3646 was banned
low elk
oof
valid lodge
What are some good tier 7 credit grinders?
hollow belfry
Depends in what you do well
valid lodge
I mean for credit coefficients
hollow belfry
Uhm I can’t check rn sorry
low elk
@valid lodge type 62 and and SU 122 54
valid lodge
Thank you
north musk
What is the most modern vehicle in wot blitz
solid gate
Chief Mk6
tight pewter
if we get european TD's, we should get romanian, hungarian, and swedish TD's
tulip sail
Unfortunately I highly doubt we'll get swedish tds
tight pewter
so then sweden is out of the picture
inland osprey
More suitable vehicles huh
Introduces missile tanks
tight pewter
bruh
inland osprey
Well maybe the Kranvagn line can be considered
low elk
weegee's idea of suitable is missiles, flying tanks, speed tanks, autobounce lights and this
tulip sail
If they add Romanian tanks they gotta add the Vânătorul de Care R35
tight pewter
i think the TACAM R-2 should be a tier 5 premium tank destroyer
plucky summit
Nah, tier IV, it needs to be competent
solid gate
Add Korean Tanks!! K2 Black Panther
bruh i just learned that Samsung actually makes tanks and artilleries
tight pewter
okay my idea for a european TD line
starts at tier 7 (1 italian TD) Semovente da 105/25 ----> (2 romanian TD's) Tacam T-60 ------> Maresal M-05 ----> (1 hungarian TD's) -----> 44m Zrinyi I
yes i was internet surfing for these tanks
took me 30 minutes
crystal rivet
@tight pewter interesting. i love europe so id go for those tanks
@heady lintel give meh my russian tier 10 tds
heady lintel
lol
tight pewter
Zrinyi I was a prototype and only exsisted in blueprints
BUT HEY its WoT we don't care if it was real or not!
tight pewter
i just hope my euro TD line gets reviewed by the DEVs
heady lintel
that would be nice to get noticed
also wargaming severely nerfed the kv2 when creating it, it could easily be a tier x vehicle if they based it of of design specifications
225mm armor everywhere
tight pewter
yeah but wargaming is like: "f**k realism"
heady lintel
true dat
a single kv2 took on an entire division of six pz.iv and lasted three days before running out of ammo and the germans had to throw hand grenades at it
solid gate
@tight pewter and new Tier VIII-X Collectible Artillery - K9 Thunder https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+tank&rlz=1CAQIMT_enCA895&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA_f721dToAhX0N30KHVSTABYQ_AUoAXoECBkQAw&biw=1300&bih=629&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=jl-OmvSniNB9sM
solid gate
Ngl i kinda like the tort needs an armor buff tho
tight pewter
@solid gate artillery wont make it into blitz according to wargaming devs
maps to small for artillery
gotta scroll up to see it
crimson veldt
It will be schwedish tds
tight pewter
no wargaming said swedish td's are to big
crimson veldt
You will See Bro
tight pewter
@crimson veldt
kind bluff
No Swedish TD’s or Japanese heavies in consideration until 2021, and it won’t be guaranteed
crimson veldt
Firstly we Will See britisch lights
Next it will be maybe polish or swedish Hvy tanks
neat nimbus
I doubt double gun soviets tanks and French wheeled tanks would come
solid gate
I want to see other premiums from console/pc Kaiju, or capt king tiger, warlord panther etc
And have them as the main reward in an event which is grindy but doable
fleet berryBOT
Prussia (the awesome memelord!)#2985 has been warned.
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heady lintel
@fleet berry I didn't curse I bleeped out the term specifically so I wouldn't get in trouble
Lame
solid gate
Bruh
tulip sail
Lol a mod did that not the bot the bot just tells you that you got warned @heady lintel
solid gate
lol
@tight pewter Not too big. They are too complicated with their hydroneumatic suspensions.
slender cliff
Swede meds and heavies can be added. The Tds are a bit more difficult to implement properly
solid gate
The UDES med can’t really be added since it relies on its suspension to bounce shots and depress the cannon
slender cliff
I’m talking tanks like the leo and strvs
solid gate
ahh the lower tier ones
slender cliff
The udes line would be pretty much way diff
raven jacinth
meanwhile, what about some of the French True Heavies
jolly igloo
raven jacinth
🤔 what about Manticore Line
jk WoTb with a line with two Light Tank Branches for one Tech Tree? Wack
tbh WG would probably put Manticore in crates or something
low elk
most likely
ngl it'd be nice if they put it as a tier 10 prem british light tank with the same stats but different armor profile from the Vickers light 105
solid gate
Interesting enough it’s real name is chimera
final adder
I'm still hoping they plan on adding the AMX 13 105 considering it's manly a Bc with less armor, slightly higher dpm, branching after 13 90 or doing what the pc version did. That or the Lt-100 braching from t-54 light weight or lttb.
north bloom
yo what tier 8 TD is challenging to use ?
onyx venture
T28 prototype
slender cliff
Foch
north bloom
foch aint tier 8
slender cliff
Amx
onyx venture
Many people don't like the T28 prototype but I really like it
north bloom
thats weird
slender cliff
Amx ac
north bloom
because when i go with my wz 120 FT, T28 proto is the only thing that scares me
onyx venture
When's the last time you used the wz 120
slender cliff
Tier 8 is painful. T28 is a good tank that requires positioning and somewhat skill
north bloom
today?
raven jacinth
I'd like to see AMX Cannone 105 in WoTb
onyx venture
Cause you never know maybe I'm the one with the prototype🤔
north bloom
usually i get my ass beaten by t28 proto because of their pen and the ability to exchange hits with me
and yeah ive noticed that they're rare
slender cliff
@raven jacinth yes the t8?
raven jacinth
yes
onyx venture
There was a medium and light tank behind me while I was in the proto trying to shoot at someone in front of me and I still managed to while the floor with those 2
I'm close to 1k battles in my proto now
north bloom
i can give tips on how to kill wz 120 ft
as a wz driver the only thing that scares me is premium ammo and front track hits
slender cliff
To kill a wz literally requires no tips
north bloom
you'd be surprised how much that wedge bounces shots
onyx venture
I got the T30 recently and I kind of prefer the proto over this, but I'm getting used to it now
north bloom
because u finally got turret armor ?
feral solar
@north bloom Once came across a WZ platoon in my Löwe. I was side scraping and spammed gold at them. Took awhile, but they eventually died
slender cliff
Its hard to enjoy the proto when you are traveling at the speed of molasses
north bloom
@feral solar u just proved my point
onyx venture
You get used to the 20kmh pretty quickly and you learn to be more wise about where you go
feral solar
Btw does anyone know what happened to the 50TP prototype? Stuck in development hell?
north bloom
dunno
slender cliff
Idk when the polish line will be introduced
feral solar
K🤔
slender cliff
Or the prems I guess
onyx venture
I decided to play a match with the T28 prototype rn
I managed to hold off 3 tanks by myself until a teammate came to help
slender cliff
Then an isu came
rapid orchid
"ah s**t here we go again"
drifting bane
when's the super conq coming out
next pivot
Should i equip enhanced armor or improved assembly on E100?
dapper panther
how much extra horsepower would the Tortoise need to gain extra speed?
next pivot
1500hp atleast
thick trout
@solid gate It's in testing
golden birch
Any tank can
fast compass
The tank should have a gun that can penetrate maus first
golden birch
Ofc it has to pen
fickle iris
Unless it’s a prem, then just by looking at a tank it’s immediately ammoracked
solid gate
What’s with Russia/USSR doing Amphibious light tanks during the Cold War and all that?
distant nymph
Probably because of the marshy terrain of the USSR
violet stream
Any advice on the Vk100 before I research and buy it?
lyric oriole
Get the gun first, you'll hate it with the 105mm
solid gate
Both nations wanted airborne armor Russia just so happened to make theirs amphibious and this being the us wanted an amphibious capability aswell which is why a lot of previous light tanks never got used
solid gate
Ah. Well I found a War Thunder forum post that listed Russian light tanks but they were pretty much all amphibious. But despite that I was considering using this one in my own idea:
b m p 1
solid gate
either nerf smasher or remove
impossible to play if u got against 1 in match
No. It’s not the BMP 1.
strange thicket
@solid gate nah not really
solid gate
yah yes really
strange thicket
No
solid gate
It is near impossible if you are in a light tank. But other heavies can deal with it.
strange thicket
I played against it multiple times
And it is not an instant win if the team has it
solid gate
i played tiger I against smasher and died
hollow belfry
sounds like a player issue, not a tank issue
solid gate
Tiger I had flat armor. But it out dpms the Smasher.
strange thicket
@solid gate also i circled a smasher to death in a bulldog
He only had one shot on my mates lol
solid gate
@hollow belfryi didnt blame the tank you blind fag
strange thicket
Woah there that would get you muted possibly banned
hollow belfry
Uhm yes
solid gate
A Smasher is only OP in the right hands. A “noob” shoots AP out of it at other heavies then they will surely die.
hollow belfry
I don’t have much problems with smashers but I don’t play light tanks much so....
strange thicket
@solid gate maybe give full context about your fight
It is op yes but there aren't really as many players
solid gate
Does anyone know if Improved Defense does any better than Improved Modules when it comes to reducing HE damage taken?
@strange thicket i had 1.1KHP and got teamed on by 2 smashers
2 Smashers is a different scenario than 1 Smasher. Especially if it’s a platoon.
strange thicket
@solid gate so basically a 1vs2
did you have backup by your team or not
hollow belfry
So you actually lost to a 1vs2. Wich seems normal against 2 tanks with a 15cm if you are in the open
strange thicket
also keep in mind in any double platoon would clap you
strange thicket
ok so
that is why you lost. on a 1v1 you would have out dpm-ed the smasher
solid gate
i mean
That’s the problem. Even a full HP Tiger I isn’t going to easily survive 2 Smashers.
Anyway does anyone know if Improved Defense does any better than Improved Modules when it comes to reducing HE damage taken?
strange thicket
i don't really look much into equipment mostly because i don't use them a lot
solid gate
I do. I’ve always paired Improved Modules+ with the Protective Kit provision on any tank. Especially on the lighter armored tanks.
i mean i beat a french M4 45 while not knowing where his red part where,he was bushed
strange thicket
m4 45 hardly has any armor against a tiger 1
visual jolt
@solid gate the m4 45 doesn’t rlly even have a red spot
strange thicket
what does that have to do with the smasher anyway
solid gate
well
But honestly Improved Defense would be a good option too. Less chance to ammo rack exploding, less chance of engine damage (especially critical), less chance of crew dying, and it lowers the chance of HE penning you.
wait,smasher only uses HE
strange thicket
smasher uses AP, HEAT as prammo and HE
solid gate
No. Smasher has AP and I believe HEAT too. But shooting AP with it rarely is a good idea.
low elk
smasher has AP and HEAT along with HE
HEAT has 250 base pen
strange thicket
it is basically an su-152 with a turret
low elk
its an SU152 with no downsides
strange thicket
the turret
solid gate
Until a noob shoots AP at a VK 45.03 then gets 4 shot death to the face.
Noob Smashers are funny. Silly peeps using AP in it at all is just funny.
low elk
AP is still good at low armored targets that you cant HE
elfin orbit
Why do you guys get the noob smasher drivers
strange thicket
there isn't really much skilled players in a smasher
i still won in a 2 smashers vs 1 panther and could hold untill my team came
low elk
top 100 smasher players are usually pretty good
solid gate
Well the one I’m referring to was updates ago. He was screwed anyway as it was like a 1 vs 4 I think. I was the VK 45.03 he shot and and bounced off of. Then I killed him with like 4 shots right into the front of his tank.
elfin orbit
I mean every time i see a smasher on the reds its a platoon that wipes the floor with our hts
solid gate
VK 45.03 isn’t the greatest tank but can be underestimated.
solid gate
I don’t even have a Smasher and don’t care to get it. Just a KV-2 a tier higher with better stats.
low elk
the guy has more highcals on his acc than me
rofl
elfin orbit
Pretty sure no decent player underestimates the vk, it has old tiger dpm
solid gate
Which I’m one of the few who played KV-2 with the 107mm gun. That gun is underestimated. But I only did it to get KV-3.
low elk
wat
its the same gun
just a tiny bit more dpm
the armor isnt something good either
bounces literally nothing
elfin orbit
107 is sweet but it feels borked on kv2
low elk
the ZiS6 107 gun is extremely good
elfin orbit
Itll bounce meds, i assume
strange thicket
it is meh
solid gate
Well people complain it’s not a good tank the VK. Only because the turret ring is supposedly weak. Eh the VK can bounce it’s just not easy to do it with it.
low elk
unless of course
the meds have a brain and flank the fat lump of metal
elfin orbit
Like, you play the kv2 for the 152mm
strange thicket
yeah literally
elfin orbit
107mm is c u r s e d
low elk
actually no
theres no more ZiS6 guns at tier 6 anymore
strange thicket
i only picked up kv2 for the derp
elfin orbit
T150 for the og players, kekeke
solid gate
Also is that in comparison to the current Tiger I?
strange thicket
other than that i prefered KV-1S over it
low elk
@elfin orbit thats a ZiS6M with worse DPM
solid gate
im thinking of buying kv-1s
I still have T-150. Last time I played it it didn’t hold up too well. Kinda need a decent team with it.
low elk
take the 85 if you are less skilled
122 if ur a unicum
elfin orbit
Yup, similar i guess, its too good on the kv2, t150 has more ht-like armor
solid gate
85mm doesn’t have the pen though so that’s counter intuitive.
strange thicket
122 is amazing on the kv-1s
low elk
KV2 is more of a SPG than a heavy
lacks armor but makes it up for the gun
122 is amazing but its not for noobs
you have to pick your target
strange thicket
i actually got to IS and researched the KV-3 before i got the kv2 only thing interesting on the kv2 is the 152
the 107 is just eh
low elk
get the wrong target and ur dead
dont know how to angle armor and ur dead
dont know hwo to aim and ur dead
solid gate
I love KV-1S with the 122mm and I’m not a unicum. More average and I can say the 85mm sucks.
elfin orbit
85 not good for t6 ht already
solid gate
But 85mm is near useless because it struggles to pen anything.
low elk
85 is ok
not too good
just take KV13 out instead
KV1S is just worse version of KV13 with the 85
elfin orbit
How did we ever get past the churchills
strange thicket
i loved the mobility of KV-1S
solid gate
And KV-13 is worse than T-43. I kinda think KV-13 needs some love.
strange thicket
kv13
is a meh t-43 lol
low elk
ok
rank 1 KV13 player here
no it dosnt suck
its a fine tank
but give it a buff because i want it
to pad WR and WN8 even harder
solid gate
T-43 has what 7 degrees of gun depression versus the 5 on KV-13? Also KV-13 is at least a bit slower.
strange thicket
just drive the T-43
elfin orbit
Kv13 got curves man
low elk
Hmm yes that WR and purple points
but tbh the KV13 has more armor than the T43
solid gate
I didn’t say KV-13 sucked but it’s nothing special.
low elk
its got pre buff IS armor on a mobile platform with an amazing gun
strange thicket
has more armor what
solid gate
It has better armor on paper sure but in practice it won’t bounce much more than a T-43 which isn’t much.
low elk
strange thicket
nope it is not
solid gate
Broken? It’s nowhere near broken. It can be ok in the right hands or circumstances but overall the KV-13 is meh.
low elk
yeah true
the winrate does suck
maybe i am just good at that tank
considering the WR is 52% you are correct
solid gate
I think it’s been powercreeped is the problem. Also did T-43 get buffed or was it always more mobile with better gun depression? Well I think it always had better gun depression but the mobility thing I’m not sure about.
low elk
T43 is a better KV13 on the moblity part
its a harder tank to play well
but KV13 allows you to take extremely agressive positions that would normally not be possible with the T43
it has really good armor allowing you to basically farm blocked damage against equal or lower meds, lights, TDs and some heavies
the side armor is pretty good for sidescraping
solid gate
Before update 5.5 I thought KV-13 was amazing but now it’s becoming outdated.
low elk
they did buff it
now it has same gun as rudy
solid gate
Which one? The T-43 or KV-13?
low elk
KV13
solid gate
Let me go look at that.
low elk
exact same gun
just worse accuracy by not much
solid gate
Actually it’s not the same gun by name but the stats are almost exactly the same.
low elk
close enough
almost everything on the tank is the same as the rudy but it has more armor
and we know rudy isnt bad tank
low elk
buffed twice
i keep tabs on one of my favourite tanks
first one was pen buff
125 mm to 144 pen a long time ago
then it was DPM buff from 5.4 second reload to 4.5 a few patches ago
low elk
WZ blaze is not OP by any means
low elk
thats not the WZ Blaze
ur talking about some other tank
WZ blaze never rolls 200
WZ blaze also does not have a fully traversable turret nor does have speed
the only tanks with a fully traversable turret that fits with 200 alpha is
the T25/2 and the challenger
and the challenger has 250 alpha while the T25/2 has 225
dapper panther
in fact, there's no tank in blitz with exact 200 alpha
either 190 or 225, no inbetween
low elk
yeah the 85mm russian guns do 200
north musk
Hey should I get the turret or the second gun for the tiger two first. I’m stock btw
low elk
turret
then get the gun
north musk
Ok
solid gate
So the KV-13 did get buffed. I guess I forgot about that. Also last time I played it must have been before second buff for sure and maybe, but maybe not, before the first buff.
low elk
i played it before the first buff
it felt underpowered
after first buff i knew it was completely broken
then they buff it again for no reason and im like
well
seems like a good day for me to pad my stats
solid gate
But I don’t recall it ever having 125mm of pen on the top gun which is the same gun the T-43 has. Though looks like KV-13 has slightly better dpm with the gun than T-43. But T-43 (at least on paper) has 8 degrees of gun depression.
low elk
the depression is more useful than the troll armor that has a personality of its own
solid gate
Even T-34-85 (tier 6) has the 144mm of pen. The Victory premium and Type 58 though only have 125mm of pen on their gun.
low elk
victory i think is one of the best prems
its not OP nor is it bad
it does what i want a prem to do
make money
solid gate
However, I oddly Aced the Type 58 and have above a 50% WR with it even though I hated it at times while playing if. Very particular.
low elk
also they buff E2 coupola on 6.5 but ignore patton
solid gate
But the turret is still weak against a lot of tanks when it comes to the E2. Maybe should have buffed that instead or as well.
low elk
actually the KV13 got a buff on 5.5
moblity buff
solid gate
Though Chi-Ri will struggle against a hull down E2. Man the Chi-Ri needs some love.
low elk
E2 is nice tank to troll players with
solid gate
I told Wargaming to lower it’s weight to 37 which is what TE has it’s weight as. But with thinking that might be the weight of the prototype which didn’t seem to have the gun (and probably no ammo) and nobody was in it. But even with that it shouldn’t be heavier than 39/40 tons. Also there are some other things that could help it that I proposed be changed. The armor cannot be changed if you want to remain historical sadly.
My WR in the VK100.01 is like 30-40 percent and I keep losing around 5-10k credits after each match, this is unbearable, sidescraping doesn't do jack
low elk
As if WG cares about historical
solid gate
Try playing VK 168.
strange thicket
@solid gate how can you suck at side scraping the god of side scraping
that line in particular is all about side scraping and hiding the small lower plate
solid gate
Exactly. Because Tiger II was more or less historical armor wise but they buffed the armor. Now people complain that Tiger II is OP. Also T32 should not have T29’s gun.
visual jolt
@low elk I bet he meant the type 62
solid gate
Yeah, plate kinda works but the cupola is as large as a damn satellite
low elk
@visual jolt that would make a lot of sense
solid gate
Realistically the in game Chi-Ri needs more armor or better mobility. The gun is good but the tank itself is a let down.
@solid gate Well some tanks cannot even pen that cupola. Especially lower tier tanks and even some same tier tanks.
That's good to know
Unless they use stinking prammo. That might make them pen it. But with standard ammo they aren’t getting through easily if at all.
Alright, I'll give it another shot. Thanks for the info
strange thicket
@solid gate the cupola is not that easy to pen either many tanks need to swtich to prammo to hit it which is ok and you need somewhat accuracy to get that cupola
solid gate
Just hide the lower plate and keep practicing your side scraping. Try not to over angle.
The upper sides can be penned if you over angle in a side scrape. Lower sides not so much because side skirts, tracks, and the main armor.
solid gate
Thanks for the tips, I just got the better gun for the VK and it is much better. From ~300 to ~500, now that's what I call a lot of damage.
plucky summit
The worst part about most tanks, especially VK 100, is their stock gun. @solid gate his intention with that word isn't derogatory, but the irrelevance is mainly the problem
solid gate
@solid gate Ya don’t spell it like that here. It’ll get ya in trouble if the mods notice.
@plucky summit Why didn’t you send that as a new message instead of editing the one before? Also I know he didn’t mean it in that way but some of the mods don’t care. They’ll at least warn anyway.
plucky summit
@solid gate I was still on cooldown lol
solid gate
Huh. But it’s only like 15 seconds.
kind bluff
@solid gate did u know ur gun counts as armor
Move ur gun so that in between u an ur opponent ur gun is in front of the cupola
solid gate
Guns getting hit can save you from blowing up but can reduce it’s performs properly knock it out completely. So not necessarily a good thing.
plucky summit
Better than dying
solid gate
Like how a one shot T20 can survive an IS because his gun gets hit then the IS tries to run away but boom!
tight pewter
okay my idea for a european TD line
starts at tier 7 (1 italian TD) Semovente da 105/25 ----> (2 romanian TD's) Tacam T-60 ------> Maresal M-05 ----> (1 hungarian TD's) -----> 44m Zrinyi I
i got creative
thought i'd get some opinions
solid gate
But the first line isn’t designed like that so what’s to say they wouldn’t follow suit with other lines?
Ah, that would be tiers IV-VII with one excluded or premium. The guns on the ones you propose after the Semovente are too small or weak howitzers.
kind bluff
I have 7mil credits
- Buy Maus
- Buy Sheridan
- Finish AT-15, then use free exp and tier X certificate to go straight to 183 and buy it
slender cliff
2nd choice
viral lodge
1st/2nd choice'
183 is really bad, fun factor only tank. You derp a guy/miss then get tunneled.
Maus is great rn cause 3k hp (no HP Gear) and the Sheridan exists
tulip sail
The Sheridan is extremely good
viral lodge
Basically the base tank (no ATGMs is amazing
Add ATGMs is just the cherry on top, happens to be a cherry bomb
jagged ether
ATGM stands for anti-tank guided missile, yes?
viral lodge
Ya
tulip sail
Yup
jagged ether
What other tanks have it?
viral lodge
Have you not seen one yet?
tulip sail
The one before it
viral lodge
It’s T92E1 and Sheridan only
jagged ether
I’m new to the game so I’m trying to see what paths to go down.
viral lodge
Don’t go Sheridan, not beginner friendly
jagged ether
I listened to someone’s idiotic advice and got a Hetzer, so I wasted my time.
viral lodge
That line will get you in trouble super fast
Wdym, German TD lines are good... heck all German lines are decent at worst
jagged ether
The Hetzer is garbage.
jagged ether
I’ve researched up to the A-20 though, and I’m aiming for the T-62A. Is that a good choice?
viral lodge
Also as a new player you shouldn’t rush to tier 7-10
Get a bunch of tier 6s on many lines
jagged ether
Immediately rushes to get the Maus.
viral lodge
Horrible idea tbh
jagged ether
If I were to go down one line, what would you recommend then?
viral lodge
Great tank but you would just feed the enemy damage lol.
I wouldn’t recommend going down any single line XD, especially since you are new
Go play a bunch of tier 6s first.
jagged ether
Why?
tulip sail
Also watch Martin dogger's videos
viral lodge
Let me put it this way, if you think hetzer sucks, higher tiers will make you rage quit
tulip sail
You need to build skill before or you will get rekt and wont have fun
viral lodge
^
jagged ether
I’ve done pretty good so far! But using the Hetzer made my stats go down.
viral lodge
How many battles are you at?
jagged ether
viral lodge
Ok, stay tier 6 and below for at least 1000 battles
You should have a basic understanding by then hopefully
viral lodge
^^ I didn’t move to tier 7-8 till 2k
jagged ether
1000? Why would I use that much of my time playing the same couple of tanks?
viral lodge
Let me put it this way, at higher tiers you spend 100 battles just getting module upgrades
tulip sail
Dont play the same couple branch out and that's how you build skill
viral lodge
Get used to playing the same tank
Also go play all the different lines up to T6, except China and Japan
tulip sail
True but he also needs to learn several styles
jagged ether
She.
viral lodge
This game is time consuming, the higher you get the longer is takes to progress
tulip sail
Trust me you wont be
viral lodge
Ya
tulip sail
You'll be building skill and learning the maps
viral lodge
This game has a very steep learning curve post tier 6
Well more an increase in the general skill level of players
jagged ether
‘Learning the maps?’ For the entire time I’ve only been placed in two maps and I know what to do every time.
I’m already pretty good, just using the shit Hetzer brought me down as I said.
viral lodge
hetzer is good
jagged ether
No, it isn’t. It’s slow and I get killed because it’s weak.
tulip sail
That's because your low tier at tier 6 there are a lot of different maps and the herzer is very good but has it's own playstyle
viral lodge
Or you are inexperienced
Hetzer is one of the better tier 4 TD lol, I don’t seal club though so haven’t played it in a while
tulip sail
I totally haven't played it recently
jagged ether
I think I’ll just go back to playing World of Warships. If what you say is true, I’m not wasting my time.
viral lodge
Sub tier 5 is prob the most boring part of the game lol
Personally I found WoWS super boring and too slow
jagged ether
How so?
jagged ether
It takes skill. And everything moves faster.
viral lodge
Slower
jagged ether
The maps are larger and all of the ships have good speed.
viral lodge
Everything is slower lol
jagged ether
In what ways?
viral lodge
Tanks are by nature a lot more aggressive and fast reactive based
WoWS isn’t bad, but I’m here for a fast mobile game to play
jagged ether
In the game, everything attacks quicker and moves quicker. There’s hardly any cover to just snipe behind. Attack ranges are much longer. There are no campers. You have to react to and dodge enemy fire and torpedoes.
Plus, you can actually repair your vehicle which is stupid that World of Tanks doesn’t have it.
viral lodge
To me it’s all slower, you don’t have to micro manage your turn angles to bounce shots, positioning is more hap hazard, etc
fast compass
The only thing comparable to wotblitz gameplay speed is the destroyers
jagged ether
It’s far more chaotic and fun. And what does ‘bounce shots’ mean?
viral lodge
It’s a term more experienced players know 🤔
strange thicket
using your armor to not get penetrated
jagged ether
@fast compass Nearly all the cruisers can catch up with the destroyers. A lot of battleships and carriers are fast too.
fast compass
Carriers are just artys in disguise:/
viral lodge
Carriers were the only thing that were fun for me in WoWS lol, controlling the aircraft was interesting to a point
strange thicket
if you don't want to spend some good time on a game then wotb is not the answer
you need to spend at least 1k battles as they said to learn various mechanics
viral lodge
Well they play WoWS so they should understand how a WG game works
jagged ether
What happens if I disregard all of that and rush into a tree?
strange thicket
wdym rush into a tree
viral lodge
You get screwed and spanked 10 fold.
strange thicket
also you got nice sloped armor on Hetzer and a it is a low tank means good camo
if you are playing it stock then sure it is pain
stock tanks is a no when it comes to fun
jagged ether
I doubt that I’ll just get destroyed.
My Hetzer has some upgrades and it’s still crap.
viral lodge
Hetzer has good armour vs tier 3-4s
jagged ether
Good armour? I get ripped to shreds.
fast compass
Either way i found gameplay on wows a bit bland. Destroyers were fun. But that is it, i haven't played in over a year
strange thicket
@jagged ether because you can't angle or use your armor in anyway
the lower plate is butter
fast compass
Forgot to scroll. Looks like the conversation changed subjects
broken turtle
many guys play british td and scared of death due paper-thin alecto and then a whole Tortoise-based heavy td they play like paper-thin td
althrough that corner isn't have great view
strange thicket
you can't complain if you don't know the mechanics and how to use them lol
it sucks in the start
and then gets better the more you learn
viral lodge
Wat
broken turtle
@strange thicket ye
viral lodge
The AT line sucks, flat out
jagged ether
No one taught me the terminology. I wouldn’t know.
strange thicket
i personally started with stuff like Hetzer
russian heavy line
and pz iv
oh well watch videos
they give you tips and reviews on tanks
fast compass
They really need to add better tutorials. Youtube is the way to go
viral lodge
AT line is great, till you realize shoot the giant capolla
broken turtle
then after blocking tons of damage we can play the great fv
fast compass
And the tank the line leads to also sucks
viral lodge
183 is the worst T10 in the game
broken turtle
i think it's great, but low concealment
viral lodge
It’s bad
fast compass
Probably one of the worst tank in the game tier for tier
viral lodge
strange thicket
@viral lodge AT line is dog shit
viral lodge
See that tiny little orange one? That’s 183
jagged ether
I don’t think this game is right for me. I’ve played it years before and it was completely broken; I think I had a Crusader and no one’s armour could even be penetrated no matter what you did.
It seems far too complex for an ‘arcadelike game’ as it is described, and I’m told to blow thousands of hours into it just to learn the basics? I just want to have fun and not have to do all of that.
fast compass
At one point the orange bar was non existent
strange thicket
@broken turtle yes
jagged ether
I think I’ll stick with World of Warships.
strange thicket
@jagged ether literally all WG games are like that what are you on about lmao
jagged ether
Uh, no.
strange thicket
uh yes
fast compass
Well the mobile version of wows doesn't have a playerbase so it is fine however you play it.
jagged ether
I do perfectly fine in World of Warships and I haven’t blown thousands of hours into it. I have great stats and know what I’m doing and the good strategies.
broken turtle
wot still have some op stuff, like hetzer bring tons of HE with 105mm and 1 shot like kv-2
strange thicket
@jagged ether i literally might have like 200 hours or less
it is not thousands as you say
jagged ether
Thousands of battles would take hours.
strange thicket
yeah 7m battles
viral lodge
You do realize 1k battles is about 60 hours or less
fast compass
I have like 17days worth of playtime. I just plain suck but i understood how the game works pretty early
jagged ether
It was fun knowing you guys and trying the game again - but as I said I don’t think it’s right for me.
viral lodge
That’s up to you, not for everyone
strange thicket
oh well taste i guess
jagged ether
See ya.
fast compass
Yeah
solid gate
This is a hidden jem in the tech tree
Great pen, great dpm, super little aim time and decently mobile
Oh and good alpha
I dont know why people have a hard time playing it
proper slate
just got 183 today and my only issue is the camo, grille still my favourite t10
sweet peak
@proper slate why would you ?
proper slate
@sweet peak me and my mate play like 90% of our matches together ad we are room mates and we stopped playing the game like 2018 and we were both at tortoise when we stopped when we returned January this year I was checking the previous patch notes of buffs and nerfs and learnt 183 got nerfed so we sold tortoise then bought it back last week cause he wanted to use hesh (mainly because of the amount of times he got heshed) and so far 183 is more fun than we imagined
sweet peak
interesting
strange thicket
what has more credit coefficiency
Dmax or EXP
thorn flame
Any advice on how to play the T92E1? I should have enough credits to buy it today. I am going to try out the missiles first
Also is frontal pen reliable or is it as bad as T49?
strange thicket
you have
something like like 230mm of pen i am not sure how reliable is that
missiles need somewhat practice to use them but the stock gun or the dpm gun is quite nice to use and surprises the enemy
also get the tracks and engine first it is a small target combined with the killer speed and it will be good
thorn flame
@strange thicket I have everything unlocked. I just need the credits. Yeah, I figure. They are a pain to deal with.
solid gate
is there a way I can get this for my tiger? I haven't seen it around in ages, but if anyone knows how I can get this please tell me.
I've heard it's a separate tank but I can't find it
solid gate
Yeah
hard nexus
so they cant sell it, or give it out all the time
solid gate
I-
hard nexus
if you want it, you have to wait for them to sell it again
solid gate
;-;
echo knot
what is "HTC" mean on T28 concept?
solid gate
T28 heavy breakthrough tank
thick trout
@echo knot Heavy Tank Concept I believe
heady lintel
in my opinion to be historically accurate the kv2 could easily be a tier 8 or nine vehicle . wargaming halved the armor on the tank before putting it into the game
echo knot
@thick trout ah, Heavy Tank Concept...
Thanks, mate.
dim sail
Bought the type 61 today
viral lodge
@heady lintel I mean KpfPz should be a tier 10 with ATGMs, Smoothbore gun, and 70 speed. This game isn’t realistic.
thorn flame
That much is obvious when the concept of blitz is pretty much apart of the game. In my mind realistically, battles would be slow and strategic, not mind numbingly fast.
kind bluff
I mean, any tank should one shot another 80% of the time
hollow belfry
in my opinion to be historically accurate the kv2 could easily be a tier 8 or nine vehicle . wargaming halved the armor on the tank before putting it into the game
@heady lintel any reliable source then? I know WG’s KV-2 armor profile isn’t entirely accurate but I doubt it had 150mm thick armor on the front and sides
heady lintel
@Admiral Hipper look it up
It had 110 mm all round that's tier eight worth right?
I may have botched my fact a little bit but they still reduced it by more than 25%
@hollow belfry I botched my facts a little bit
royal epoch
hollow belfry
@heady lintel I think it had 110mm on the turret front (plus the 75mm thick mantlet on a part of the said turret front) but the hull front and sides were 75mm thick, the rear being between 60-75mm. The turret sides and rear were 75mm thick aswell
heady lintel
@hollow belfry I heard that it was 110 mm all around. Turret and hull
It was a modded kv1 hull with more armor all round
hardy sparrow
@hardy sparrow stock IS is terrible. Also kv-3. But if you get it, you have to suffer through the kv-4 but it leads to a great tank. If you play the IS, you don’t have to suffer through the t8,9 but the t10 is really power creeped
@slender cliff ik how the stock grind are,that's why I saved up for the IS
solid gate
I’m going to do something different than Wargaming. Include amphibious light tanks. Though on maps like they have there really isn’t much water for amphibious tanks to tread so they’d be no different than normal light tanks. Only doing it for Russia/USSR though as they have a good bit of amphibious light tanks.
hollow belfry
@heady lintel Although not being an expert, I doubt it was 110mm all around. The KV-2 is supposed to be a bunker buster-modded KV-1, and so on the tank was hastily designed, using a barely modified KV-1 chassis wich had though to fit the new oversized turret. Turret armor values or shape might be different, but I don’t think the soviet engineers took the time to add more armor on the hull.
rancid mauve
Opinions on the FV215b?! I loved the Conq, and only played a hand full of games in the FV215b and loving it too! Curious what others think about it.
solid gate
Super Conqueror would be better as it’s the same tank with added armor. Though is the Super Conqueror real or at least a proposal?
rancid mauve
Don’t know! Wasn’t it going to be a prem tank!?
tulip sail
@heady lintel if you wanted the kv2 to be historically accurate it would be an overall nerf to the current tank the reason I say this is the turret is far too fast turning as it is the turret was hand cranked and usually couldn't turn on hills. On top of that when firing the turret often got jammed due to the recoil as well as the reload having to be even longer because just how much it weighs and besides a lot of the t7 meds can even pen over 110mm so I'm all for this happening to the kv2
hollow belfry
^ even with 110mm thick armor the way it’s shaped make it remain an easy pen for most tanks it faces and would eventually later face
heady lintel
This is true but historically the kv2 would only be up against light and med tanks like the pz3
tulip sail
Yes that's where the problem lies
hollow belfry
This game isn’t about realism it’s about supposed balance
tulip sail
Though it also would fight the panzer 3 js which with the right ammo could deal with it only problem was how rare it was
solid gate
@rancid mauve Collector tank. Sad.
rancid mauve
@solid gate oh thats right. 😦
solid gate
Yeah. And Chieftain Mk 6 was made a gold enriched tank.
tulip sail
@solid gate it's both real and fake
Wait nvm I confused it with the action x for a moment
plain ember
Hi I'm new here
solid gate
@tulip sail Yeah. The Caernarvon Action X is at least semi fake.
tulip sail
Yeah I wind up mixing them up often
slender cliff
Hmmm
sacred cargo
The KV-2 armour was 75mm on the front. There's only 110mm of armour in the gun mantlet. KV-2 was the worst tank (with some others like the panzer I) during the ww2
solid gate
That’s a bit of a stretch
Kv2 wasn’t the worst tank but it was still fairly bad it was immune to smaller AT guns and panzers
leaden talon
Im not sure where this should go...
But maybe add a feature where instead of using gold to convert Elite exp into free exp...allow the use of credits for this action instead
and if you use gold to convert the Elite Exp into free exp...you get more free exp than you would with credits 150% for example...
If and when you use credits the amount of credits you put in is equivelant to the amount of gold required to produce that amount of credits
Lets put it into perspective shall we: If I put 320,000 credits in to be turned into free exp...the cost for that amount of credits is 320 gold, so when you'd convert the credits into gold, in the values currently the amount of free exp you would get is equal to the amount of gold required to produce that amount of credits.
-320,000 credits is put into the converter, this amount in gold is 800...so you get 800 gold worth of free exp
low elk
that would be massive loss of income for WG
leaden talon
but thats where you're wrong Lunar
In the idea i stated above i also added in the idea of if you'd use gold for free exp instead you'd get more
so an example value be like 150% right...if I put in 800 gold to be converted, I'd be getting 1,200 gold worth of free exp instead
low elk
noone converts gold to credits
credits is FREE
gold is NOT FREE
this means if you allow credit conversions WG would lose money cuz all the people who want to convert elite XP to FXP would use credits instead
thats like allowing people to get prems for credits
leaden talon
Lunar im using the credit to gold conversion costs to help calculate the conversion
low elk
oh make it 100million credits for a prem
well people are gonna grind it out anyways
you cant grind gold
you can grind credits
WG uses gold to make money
WG does not use credits to make money
leaden talon
WG does use gold to make money...im advocating if they give you more bang for your buck they may get more money
because you'd get more free exp using gold
low elk
how does credits make money for them
would you rather use real money that you earn with sweat
or use fake money that you earn playing a game
sure the conversation rates are different
but people would want free over paid
its a great idea for players
but its not a great idea for a company that is based around well... making money
slender cliff
Its better not to spend any money on this game. The grinds are getting way easier
broken parcel
Any tips on WZ-121?
devout wren
What's the best gun for the JPanther?
slender cliff
Top gun
slow wing
Hi all! check out my topic at wot blitz forum about sheridan and t92e1 here is the link.
http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/53700-remove-sheridan-and-t92e1-at-rating-battles-and-nerf-them/
slender cliff
Prefer E-100 by a mile
hollow moth
@devout wren I prefer the 105mm cannon because I like high callibers, but the 88mm is very good too
When I was on Ferdinand both guns sucked equally
devout wren
Almost there
hollow moth
Will you go for the fat ferdinand?
Jpanther 2 is more popular but Ferdinand prepare you better for Jagdpanzer E100
solid gate
Ferdinand needs more armor even if it is somehow doing better than any other TD. My opinion but it’s based on experience. It can get bounces but isn’t much more reliable than the JP II at it.
slender cliff
The IS-7 for a heavy has good speed and mobility. Players can use it to move from position to position but it’s best for the IS-7 to go with a team of heavies.
solid gate
Thanks for the info :)
hushed shadow
They buffed its HP along with the other heavies. I feel it’s a bit better now, since there’s an advantage it has over the mediums and TDs
hollow belfry
@polar nacelle that has always been the case with the is 7 lol, nothing to do with power creeping.
steel sphinx
why kv1s is such a pain to grind, tips?
solid gate
I had lots of fun grinding it, what do you mean?
dapper panther
up-to-date Credit coefficiency chart, colors indicate wether they are collector or premium
heady lintel
Is it just me or is the t6 drac just a kill stealer with spaced armor?
I mean the gun is decet but only because the reload is slightly quick
dapper panther
the Drac's gun is only decent, because it was nerfed twice so far
not directly, but was also affected when WG globally nerfed equipment parameters
I used to have somewhere around 6.0sec reload
solid gate
I think tank compare is a bit odd on T49 enrichment. It says without it it’s 80% coefficient and with it is 150%. But in game it says the enrichment is 87%. Which 80 + 87 ≠ 150. Somebody (whether Wargaming Devs or the Blitzstars peeps) has their math off.
heady lintel
anyone wanna glitch a map with me?
solid gate
I wanna know about that glitch on Canyon that makes tanks fly.
heady lintel
i dont know that one i was thinking of new bay getting on the train tracks.
solid gate
Ah, I wanted to try that too. Especially with a light tank. Though even they may need a push.
heady lintel
i can help wanna try
solid gate
Sure
heady lintel
ive got some decently powerful heavy tanks if you have a tier 123 light tank it should work if not i could get a friend to help
just messaged you
solid gate
Cool cool.
remote bolt
Anyone feel if bat chat is like, the weakest tank on it's tier?
weary cypress
Adding the M60-2000 becuase why not
frail dawn
Do you guys think the Kpfpz 70 will get rockets? It has the same 152mm XM150 gun/launcher
solid gate
No and it’s already been confirmed it won’t receive them
low elk
u sure?
there was a stream where they said KPFPZ would get ATGMs once devs think ATGMs fit into the game
frail dawn
I mean it could be a little unbalanced given it is a heavy, idk
solid gate
@low elk someone here linked some russian questions and answers I didn’t translate them but supposedly along the lines kpz was said to not receive ATGMs I’ll find it rn
And I can’t find it
viral lodge
If Kpf gets rockets id play it more (I own it) but id prefer it doesnt, less ATGMs the better.
low elk
id rather it gets armor or gun buff
either of the 2 would make me play it more
hollow belfry
@polar nacelle care to explain your accusation of my statement being false orrrrrrrr ye just gonna be ignorant and in denial lol
viral lodge
IS-7 was definitely power crept, the ammo rack part tho is just positioning, nothing to do with power creep.
slender cliff
Yes it’s just rng
green arrow
viral lodge
its not lol
Type 62, good. T23E3 = Free kill, M6A2 has HE able sides.
forgot the last tank, either way, its not great
desert ledge
slender cliff
Work on E-100 line and IS-4 which are pretty noob friendly
solid gate
No , line to IS 4 is bad idea. stock st-1, kv-4 vs face huggers (is-3, 252u, 110, 111...) onoly kv-3 is good tank after kv-1 and kv-2.
You can't go wrong with Russian mediums.
Also as Dimitrov said, the E100 line is pretty good and with great tanks all along the line.
frail dawn
Ive said it before and Ill say it again, the E100 line is not noob friendly, its a marshmellow with side skirts, yes the lower tiers are better, but the E100 needs skill, the Is7 is very forgivable unlike the E100 if you mess up
solid gate
Is4 line takes a bit of will power to grind through but it’s worth it in the end
slender cliff
Yes. Tier 8 is the only hard spot. Stock st-1 is decent but I recommend free xping the top turret. The tier 9 gun can be unlocked from the is-3 which is in the is-7 line but other than that, I had no real issues grinding a stock st-1. It will be worth it in the end
frail dawn
st1 is amazing hull down
solid gate
On stock it is amazing HP box
hardy sparrow
Can someone tell me how to not get focused,tunneled,rushed,yoloed in T54e1 when I do something?
tulip sail
Stick with your team
dapper panther
dont rush yourself, you are a second line support
undecent mobility, garbage armor
slender cliff
Yes, although the t54e1 has troll armor, it’s armor is considered weak so try to stay back or flank
dapper panther
armor is garbage everywhere, only tricky to pen at poins, because of the angle, but that's it...
viral lodge
The lines friendlyness doesnt really factor in the T10 tank, its more how hard/painful it is to get said tank.
E100 line is very friendly, the tank itself takes some learning. But VK 36, Tiger I, Tiger II, and E75 are all good and easy to learn.
slender cliff
Yes the whole line is super easy to master
viral lodge
268 line is also friendly
slender cliff
Personally it is one of my best lines, but new players might have difficulty with positioning in these tanks in order to effectively deal damage. Imo the su-85 is really bad compared to other tanks at its tier but from the su-100 and up everything gets a much more powerful armament. New players could watch their flanks and serve mainly as secondary or covering fire for the heavy tanks. If they can, they can flank and remain low because the hp as armor of the tanks are pretty low. From the obj 704 and up, the armor gets better but people still know where to pen you so you should mainly do support fire
solid gate
263 seems like a good TD when YouTubers show it. But the tanks leading to it may not be so good. Well SU100M1 is junk. No gun depression, no armor except the casemate immediately around the gun, and a lower alpha gun than most other TDs.
slender cliff
Like I said before, it takes some practice to play the su line effectively. There are strategies available
solid gate
Well SU-85 is outdated and SU-100 isn’t the SU-100 with the top gun. Not sure where that gun being on it even came from. If you look up SU-122 it’s a short barrel funny looking gun. I do prefer the 100mm on the SU-100 but the tank feels meh nowadays. SU-85 is even worse though. The SU-152 has still got it with either gun. The SU-100M1 though is just bleck.
slender cliff
A lot of Blitz got nothing to do with real life
strange thicket
@solid gate su-101 is rewarding tho
solid gate
I know that but I don’t understand the infatuation with using the 122mm gun on SU-100 regardless. It’s not that special realistically.
@strange thicket I hope so.
broken turtle
should we readd the 105mm gun for the hetzer?
frail dawn
Anyone have any advice for playing the St Emil?
strange thicket
@frail dawn it is shit
Try using your gun depression if you can and stay out of sight
Also top gun is a must
But get engine and tracks first cuz it is pain
viral lodge
Just play like a sniper out of sight and use that 15 depression to get into weird spots they don’t expect. It’s a great tank but is too team reliant. @frail dawn
inland osprey
^
slender cliff
Another op premium?
solid gate
Op or broken will be see
broken turtle
nerf vk 36.01 h
solid gate
I from Poland and waiting for this
solid gate
When we get it?
viral lodge
@broken turtle don’t you mean ARL?
VK 36 is a good clubber but in good vs good players ARL is better cause better gun.
broken turtle
no
solid gate
No bad tanks only bad Player
broken turtle
have u tried facing the vk 36.01 h?
broken turtle
it's f***ing hard, sold front with great dpm for some gun
viral lodge
It’s nothing Prammo or something called flanking can’t fix.
It’s an anti newbie tank lol, just like the Tiger II which is down the same line lol
broken turtle
it has good dpm, good aim time, pretty nice speed for ht, and f***ing front armor
the side armor too
viral lodge
It’s a good tank, ARL is better, and wdym side armour, you can only angle slightly.
If you angle it’s way to easy to over angle and then penned.
viral lodge
🤔 it’s a strong tank but not that hard to kill if you know what to do. And that’s called German tank design.
broken turtle
ye, so nerf some speed
viral lodge
Na, it’s a perfectly fine tank, its probably getting an hp buff actually
broken turtle
WHAT?
solid gate
When I play tiger 2 one by one i never lost
viral lodge
Tiger II is scary, till you load prammo.
glass crypt
you either know how to play the tiger 2 or didn't get hard up tiered yet
solid gate
But when i faced two med i just too slow
viral lodge
Well ya, most meds can CoD most heavies
solid gate
I hate sheridan allways shot me from the back
solid gate
Rocket OP
viral lodge
ATGMs are a bad mechanic, kinda eh now tho and hard to use, the tanks themselves are what need nerfs
solid gate
@viral lodge what are you even talking about? Lmao, eh to use? u literally only aim up and lock your gun up then aim at an enemy over the ridge and u got the shot in. I say it because i tried it myself and got scared of how easy they are to use.
fringe notch
@viral lodge Don't know which VK36 you've been up against. Side armour might look thin but same tier meds routinely bounce off grey side armour panels on the thing all the time. It's troll as hell.
broken turtle
ye
serene zealot
It is not easy to get a good penetrating shot on one
rapid orchid
Idk
plucky summit
Capable, but not mainstream
viral lodge
@solid gate taking back what I said about the ATGMs, was half awake when I said that so disregard. (Not taking what I said about the VK 36)
solid gate
interesting 🙂
