It may also be a team thing though
#vehicles-discussion
sharp gale
magic ledge
is the Pz 58 worth the gold?
low elk
its an indian panzer (tier 8 german tech tree med) but with some slight changes
its got the EXACT same gun, its more mobile than the ind panzer, its got better but still unreliable armor
its basically a german CDC
magic ledge
so should i buy it?
low elk
its worth
but why would you get it when you can just get some better prem with that amount of gold
magic ledge
so should i buy Jg Tiger 8.8 or the Mutz?
low elk
none of them
wait for something better
magic ledge
ok got that
neat nimbus
Dang I wish there's was more skill based events than pay to win events
sharp gale
8.8 was my first premium, it’s gotten worse sadly but it’s still decent
twilit wigeon
Panther or Jagdtiger?
noble stirrup
Id assume jag because panther one is supposedly horrid
twilit wigeon
it's just a Panther II
aka power creeped so badly it's suffers greatly
noble stirrup
Panther 8.8
twilit wigeon
actually it's a better Panther II since gun handling and power to weight ratio is better
kinda(hull is 20mm weaker)
solid gate
@twilit wigeon that’s not an achievement
twilit wigeon
did i ever say it was?
solid gate
Panther mit 8.8 hasn’t been sold or shown up in a long time. What gives?
So is the panther 8,8 good or bad?
Bad
Oh ok what about the schmallturm and M10 panther?
Pz IV S is awesome. Panther/M10 isn’t great but can be ok in the right hands I guess.
tulip sail
The panther/m10 is also historically very interesting
broken sentinel
@sharp gale I wouldn't recommend spending money on a tier 5 tank.
But I also happen to hate tier 5, so it's up to you
junior path
Panther m10 has one of the lowest wr out of all the prems in game
barren heath
Panther m/10 has basically no armour or speed but is a giant box, bad combination certainly with that useless pew pew gun on top
deep ivy
@solid gate panther/m10 is awesome
@junior path because most people cannot handle it
Blocking 2k is easy as pie in it
solid gate
im not sure of that to be honest haha
@deep ivy I wouldn’t say it’s easy as pie to block damage with it.
@barren heath I thought they buffed the pen a little bit a long time ago. Still it probably could be even better.
echo drift
Did they nerf or buff t-22 in update 6.7? I see they changed something on blitzhangar but all that is see it became smaller?!
low elk
tiny bit smaller
echo drift
Wow why would you make it like 30mm smaller 🙈
echo drift
Now to the main part the 6.9 heavy buffs are plain stupid. This will make t10 completely broken. All heavies together are equally strong to all t10 mediums or all t10 td‘s combined winrate wise.
Mediums are only more popular amongst better players as they can use the versatilty more but that doesn‘t make meds dominant that is just good players being good and holy moly which game doesn‘t reward great skill. Therefore in ratings and tournaments mediums are the meta. Not because they are better than heavies you can just do more with them as a skilled players which most tournament and ratings players are (compared to randoms).
As all heavies meds & td‘s combined together are equally strong the immense buffs would make heavies so dominant that meds and tds will become almost irrelevant therefore break the balance. It is easy.
We could have a more heavy meta if more flexible heavies would be in the tech tree. But no they have to sell them in crates. Wg destroyed their own chance for a more heavy meta. Now they have to make all the heavies broken to do it because of reasons.... sounds like a desicion of a balance department that has no clue about their own game.
short raptor
I don’t think it is stupid, necessarily, but the comparatively low buff to the 215B, and the rather high buff for the IS4 and IS7, I have problems with. Why the heck does an IS 4 need 2600 hit points while things like the T57 heavy will only have 2300? They’re pushing tanks already rather out of the meta even further out.
More than anything tho, this’ll really hurt the t9 heavy meta since the vast majority of t9 games are lower tier
slender cliff
Balance at its finest
solid gate
TE: FV430 - Series of Vehicles
Me: Okaaaayyy. What kind of vehicles? Guess I gotta read down the list then.
tulip sail
You know you can leave feedback in their discord
solid gate
Heh. I guess. But this FV430 designation seems to be like the RO2000 designation. It’s not a tank but the initial designation to start a series of tanks. The actual tanks would add a 1, 2, 3, or 4 where the end zero is.
regal glen
WT auf. E 100
spark gull
^
stoic trench
Can the T32 get a buff 🥺
valid lodge
^
solid gate
Type 62 Defender
solid gate
Just got the Maus cannot wait for 6.9
slender cliff
Just got the is-4. time for some balance
solid gate
Does the is4 have 3000 hit points
slender cliff
2650 not that much lmao
raven jacinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
placid crown
First tier 10, I made it
lavish socket
how thick is the rear armor of the TIger (P)
because i managed to pen it with Calibrated HE in my ISU-152
hushed shadow
Thinner than the pen on the calibrated HE
lavish socket
so i penned with HE and the Tiger(P)' s HP wen from full to an one shot by 122mm guns
summer hull
Give me gold please
calm inlet
@summer hull whats your username?
jk, please don’t beg/solicit for gold on this server
😎
spice ivy
Should i grind the British TD line or just play the AT-2 and 8 for the memes?
this line's been way low on my priority list for a while now
jaunty sandal
Go for the TTD line first to get used to the DPM then try the TD line
solid gate
TTD?
hushed shadow
Extra T by mistake
solid gate
Or just The Tank Destroyer xd
stable hill
TTD might be turret tank destroyers?
proven folio
Turreted Tank Destroyers than
hushed shadow
Doesn’t the turreted td line have the worse dpm compared to the AT7, AT8 line? And the message says TTD line for dpm
solid gate
Challenger isn’t that fun. Basically a lengthened Cromwell hull with a bigger turret and 17 pounder gun.
proven folio
Id rather american turreted TDs over the ATs any day rlly -.-
pine lava
Any recommendations for which tank to go next ? I got tier 5 tanks Leopard and T34. Any advice apprecciated
solid gate
Eh the T25/2 isn’t great for it’s tier. Like a medium with a slow turret and really really poor armor. Hellcat is all speed and not much else. T28 Prototype has annoyingly weak sides and turret cheeks. T30 seems the best one out of all of them.
@pine lava We talking more tier Vs or a tier VI?
pine lava
Tier VI is what I want to go for next
solid gate
Depends on what you’ve got unlocked. VK 36 would be good option for a heavy. VK 28 might still be ok but I’m not sure on that.
T-34-85 should still be good though I haven’t played it in so long.
pine lava
Unlocking is not issue....got sufficient free EP. O.K. were not sure about the T-34-85 because of his stats....but bascially I like the T34....I really can master that one the best for the moment (it seems) 😁
solid gate
Don’t be fooled by T-34-85’s 144mm pen. If you could play Type 58 then the 34-85 will do much better since it has better pen. 144 is much better than 128.
I’ve somehow Aced the Type 58 so T-34-85 for me should be good. It’s the only tech tree tier 6 I don’t have. Sadly I don’t necessarily have to play it since I had KV-13 just before update 5.5 so post that update I automatically got T-43 therefore skipping T-34-85.
slender cliff
Mm yes mediums rule wot blitz
mossy pulsar
I’ve been wondering
If someone has a damaged ammorack
Do you think you could detonate it with a ram?
slender cliff
Nope that isn’t real
mossy pulsar
Sad Ru251
mortal gulch
Bloody hell, the Japanese med line is such a pain in the arse to grind. The STB-1 may be the only decent tank on that line.
hollow belfry
Chi-Ri is actually somewhat workable thanks to it's autoloader and good dpm with fast intraclip @mortal gulch
But the rest is quite mediocre
People laugh about german tanks' front-mounted transmission
Yet they most of time have armor protecting the said transmission
Unlike japanese mediums
mortal gulch
Unlike Japanese mediums which is paper all around.
hollow belfry
^
mortal gulch
I kinda liked the Chi-Ri, if given the opportunity it can devastate a flank, but I hated it most of the time. It's slow and it's a big target.
Right now I'm grinding the STA-1, and boy do I feel like a heavy tank with no armor.
brittle grail
Why does it feel like the lycans armor changes every day, one day it’s 2600 bounce and the next not a single bounce?
mossy pulsar
Me casually cruising, thankful that wotb doesn’t have arty that can hit me from behind cover from across the map
WG ADDS SHERIDAN
inhales
Gets Bombed by missiles from 350 meters away and behind a massive hill
lapis mica
Which one is better T110E3 or WZ-113G FT
For researching...?
lyric oriole
E3
113-FT takes the worst parts of 268 and E3 and mashes them together into one tank
faint solstice
113ft has a tiny bit for gold pen
E3 apcr: 375
113ft heat: 380
If you use calibrated shells over rammer then you can top 400 pen which is enough to go through anything
stable hill
BatChats are so bad lol
You need to stay exposed for 6 seconds to unload a clip, meanwhile Sheridan just does it in one shot, with better gun depression, minimally exposed to enemy fire...
visual jolt
@stable hill haha no they aren’t lol. Sure the missiles tanks have them beat, but they aren’t “so bad”
Light tank mobility and being able to dump a clip for 930 is something
stable hill
It's the worst tier 10 tank by performance. 183 might be close.
visual jolt
@stable hill yes but I think there are worse tanks at tier X for example the e4 and vk72
While some tanks are better than others, I don’t think there is a tank at tier X that is that bad
Batchat isn’t at the top but it’s still fine
stable hill
I hate it honestly.
visual jolt
@stable hill I can understand why but that doesn’t make necessarily make it really bad for everyone else
stable hill
It's a magnet for enemy fire and you have to stay exposed for 6 secs to unload clip, it just sucks.
versed gulch
@visual jolt
visual jolt
@versed gulch.....?
versed gulch
Ohhhh no no no Batchat is at the top. A 1000 dmg clip and mobility? Superior to sheri in every respect
visual jolt
@versed gulch well no because the Sheridan can literally shoot people while behind cover
The Sheridan is superior, but the BatChat isn’t absolutely horrible
versed gulch
Techically yes, but it only works in rare circumstances
visual jolt
The BatChat also has to expose itself for a decent amount of time to deal that 930 damage
Sheridan has to expose itself for very little time or even no time at all
versed gulch
Honestly, the Sheridan's HE and HEAT are somewhat prone to bounce/ricochet, and if this happens(which it likely will) you gotta wait 15 secs(which is more than the Batchats 12 secs btw). The batchat, if it misses or bounces, it can simply take another shot. So pretty much, if the Sheri squanders a shot, it's stuck without firepower when the batchat can still pump 630 dmg if it misses 1 shot
visual jolt
That is true. However, the Sheridan has that spaced armor that makes it difficult to HE, and 10 degrees of gun depression compared to the BatChat’s 6
versed gulch
Good point. I do like the batchats concealment to not get hit in the first place and plus, the Sheridan is a somewhat larger target than the batchat
versed gulch
I'd say so. Both are kinda risky tanks cuz one is an autoloader and the other has a derp and both have next to no armour.
Nice chat.
visual jolt
@versed gulch for sure. o7
hollow notch
Woah there buddy, what is wrong with the e4? @visual jolt it is an e100 with a better gun (soon to be 1000 less hp)
thick trout
And a huge cupola that can't be hidden and everyone can pen and no side armour and to top it off not a fully traversing turret?
At least the E100s turret needs prammo or high pen gun and angling helps, you can't do anything in the E4 except sit and hope the reds can't aim at all
hollow notch
The e4 is a hel of a lot smaller than an e100, making it much easier to hide
low elk
wait
this "aiming" you speak so highly of
what is it
thick trout
It's not that much smaller and it's weakspots are of pretty similar sizes
And yeah that is basically why the E4 is bearable to play atm @low elk
proven patio
is Indien Panzer good?
low elk
no its not
that entire line is terrible until the PTA and the Leo1
go the RU251 instead that tank is much better
rigid star
I have an idea for a new premium tank
low elk
is it a teir 10 with 10k dpm and maus armor along with Sheridan moblity
next solstice
That’s a wack armor profile
slender cliff
The sides are perfectly fine
solid gate
@rigid star What tank is that?
rigid star
A hybrid here are the stats
Gun 120 mm bdfk 6 damage ap 420 heat 380 he 600 ap pen 270 heat pen 330 he 67 gun dispersion 0.350 dpm 2220 reload 12.00
Mobility 45 kmh ,weight 67.4 ,max load 70.5 ,power to. Weight, 15.56, depression 7, engine power ,1000
terrain resistance 1.1/1.7/2. 9 traverse hull, turret 21/26 ramming potential 2286
General hit points 2450
Its a heavy /td hybrid
And its called the hunter
Ohh and one thing wargaming
should let me have it for free because i created it
Its a tier 10.the first
tier 10 blitz tank
solid gate
You created it? You mean it’s your made up design or you recreated a real tank?
solid gate
Oh, I see. Well I’m looking for real tanks. I thought there was an American tank similar to A1E1 or something like that. I just cannot remember what it was I stumbled across.
solid gate
This is named "Trash"
broken sentinel
The Kanonen Jagdpanzer 105 on PC isn't very good, but it might be good in Blitz.
solid gate
Hello, bit of a problem here and I can appreciate a few honest opinions if you can... So umm which tank should I buy for tier V, the t1 heavy or the kv-1?
hushed shadow
T1 heavy is better
solid gate
You think so? Can I please get a more in depth opinion? Before I make my choice of buying....
hardy frost
Name the most OP tank in wotb
solid gate
Sheridan, mini Sheridan, Smasher.
hushed shadow
T1 Heavy has better armor. Quite op armor tbh. @solid gate
solid gate
it's very op. the gun is good, the mobility is good and the armor is ridiculous
civic terrace
@solid gatevk at least buy the 75% crew skill
solid gate
I byed
spice ivy
Is it a sin to use the Jpanther's dpm gun over its top gun
Because im using it on my Jpanther II as well
thick trout
It's not a bad choice on the JP but the 10.5cm doesn't sacrifice much dpm for a lot more alpha so I find it a lot more useful.
solid gate
Is VK28.01 D good ?
I usually play Heavies like Tiger 1 VK36 but I wanna try some light tanks
I got credit and XP for it, is it worth 945k ?
Btw, I Loved the Leopard at Tier V
vk28 is great
tough ivy
Hi
zinc condor
The VK 28.01 is pretty much good, but it's hard to use the tank after which is the SP 1 C
fading ginkgo
No Spähpanzer 1c is quite fun
fading ginkgo
Ey don't forget that pen....
solid gate
Even spamming HE does 180-200 dmg
solid gate
Ok
I will check it out, but I love this 10cm. it can easily kill unarmored Nashorn and Tanks
fading ginkgo
Well it'll be useless when ur facing a KV-3 in the critical moments
solid gate
Btw , my main goal is to get E100, is it Good ?
Already at Tiger 1 and close to Tiger 2
fading ginkgo
Super duper good! Best HT ever
(Is-7: am I air?)
solid gate
I Hope it's worth the Grind
fading ginkgo
Yes it is. And don't forget to get that Stahlwart camo
hollow moth
@solid gate I actually really like the nashorn, this tank have an incredible concealment with high pen and a fast gun with a good damage.
You just need to do One thing:
C - A - M - P
That's a sniper tank, not a close support
fading ginkgo
I want Bátignolles Chatillon Char 25T
hollow moth
It's a cool tank, but a bit hard to play
If you hardly have good experiences with lights I don't recommend
You'll hate the AMX 13 90 and also believe bat chat 25t AP is a totally S*** (censored)
But when you get the bat chat 25t... you won't like it, this tank with the stock gun sucks
Only when you research the full gun you'll be able to see what a true light can do
solid gate
@solid gate I actually really like the nashorn, this tank have an incredible concealment with high pen and a fast gun with a good damage.
You just need to do One thing:
C - A - M - P
@hollow moth
Ok , thank for help :3
elfin orbit
Batchat is brilliant, the atgmtanks are discouraging me to play it, though
fading ginkgo
At first I want sheridan but I don't want to be those game brokers so I choose BC
solid gate
Chassis of this thing is based on a shortened Kpfpz 70, the 1st prototype mounted twin 105 mm guns, the 2nd one used 120 mm barrels. Such a low profile vehicle could give the WZ-120 1G FT a run for his money
frigid compass
@solid gate
it never will be added because of these things:
- Swedish TDs being called too complicated or whatever and the VT tank also relying on hydropneumatic suspension and stuff to aim so thats a big fat no
- it literally uses the same gun as the Leopard 2
- double barrel mechanics would need to be added
low elk
one of the biggest problems is the Hydro suspension is that the device load will be extremely high, CPU and GPU wont be able to handle such things, Double barrel guns arnt easy to control on mobile and most likely is just gonna be a worse helsing
frigid compass
the helsing isnt even a double barrel tank mechanics wise
its just a 2 shot burst autocannon that can only shoot the burst once before reloading
low elk
its the same thing as a autocannon
solid gate
@frigid compass Theres another issue too the guns have a very awkward form of firing aswell
Okok, I discovered the article by chance and I was too excited that such thing existed, but I understand
solid gate
Hey guys, i have some questions, about wz-113. Its good ht? after ht buff game style will changed? How about tech tree? 113 is good tank in tournaments?
mighty moth
@solid gate the 113 is a very good tank with strong turret and the hull isnt the greatest but if you angle it, it can be very strong. It is now the highest dpm HT in tier 10 so use that dpm. Also the pen isnt the greatest, so bring a decent amount of premium ammo. The tank traverse is awful, so be smart about that because meds and light tanks can easily circle you. Dont be stupid obviously and use it like I said. Also the tank is mostly used in tournaments a lot because of its dpm and reliability. The tech tree is terrible so I'd recommend using free xp to get top modules. I'm not sure about the HT hp buff coming but I dont think it will change it that much other than help you take a few more shots in game. Your welcome
delicate barn
I need advice, I really want the arl v39 since it has speed boost in mad games and can be controlled unlike my Jpanther ll, and it's overall a good tank. The problem is, I'm poor on credits and I'm thinking about selling my leopard PTA, but I'm not sure it's worth it. I already started a new family tree with the Chinese meds instead of the Germans, though my leopard was my first tier 9 and is the highest tier of the first family I ever played with, advice would be greatly appreciated.
solid gate
So looking at tanks . The type 34 in the China TT is it any good at all? I haven’t played it in a minute.
delicate barn
It's not very good but the tier 8-9 and 10 are very good
solid gate
Yes I just played it it’s a fast kv1 with the 57mm gun. It works
That tank is a cat. Haaa
Just like the old KV1 with the 57mm gun. I thought that I had tried it . But didn’t remember how much fun it was . 3.3 sec reload.
next solstice
This is literally my first game on the Jageroo
And I’m starting to prefer it over my e100 hehe
tame jungle
It sucks, use an IS7 or E100. Both are way better and less fire prone
whole shale
Grave digger op
viral lodge
Its not though
random tartan
kv6 pls
fading ginkgo
No KV-44M
frigid compass
@tame jungle ah yes as the WZ-113 is totally not the second best performer according to the latest wg statistics we got
random tartan
113 is very good
frigid compass
and the IS-7 which is famous for it being bad is totally better than 113
and E-100 the big prammo magnet is also totally better
next solstice
He was talking about the Jageroo
I actually aced that tank a few hrs ago along with my e100 again
Something tells me though that people just don’t know how to drive a box with a broomstick
hollow notch
Does this one also count?
magic ledge
Which camo is better: Troublemaker or RA1DER?
solid gate
What?
bitter jacinth
me 2 👌
burnt narwhal
Guys I have question about maus is weak from side and front armor when using Grille 15 pls answer
solid gate
How about E75 TS, don't see them in games often. Is it a bust? 🤔
dapper panther
okay-ish armor, 310 alpha
frigid compass
E-75 TS has a really weak turret compared to Lowe when facing things like Type 62 or Smasher which rely on HEAT
hoary verge
So I'm overall disappointed with the tier 6 Chinese TD, good gun but should have better mobility, I'm sure the version on PC could go 60kph
low elk
the thing's lowkey op tho
hoary verge
Really? I didn't see it that way lol
low elk
its kinda a better churchill GC
hoary verge
Nah, not really I've played the GC before it was nerfed and the guns better on the churchill gc
And I did very well with that tank, maybe for you
low elk
its a more mobile GC for a bit worse gun
hoary verge
But for me, just gonna play it do some decent damage and then get the tier 7, which looks nice hoping I will like
For me I like slow tanks so that's probably the reason hehe
gaunt ember
SU-152 advice?
tulip sail
Stay second to back line while the 152 is fun I find that the 122 is more practical since you see t8 often also wait to fire until you're sure you're going to hit
gaunt ember
ok
surreal haven
Hellcat or Jackson... hmmmm
tepid smelt
- hellcat tree is easier, jackson tree is harder to grind
- hellcat has more mobility vs jackson with more dpm and armor
- hellcat is more fun (usually)
solid gate
Hellcat wasn’t more fun to me. One hit from KV-2 and you’re screwed even if you do not die from that hit. Also turret cannot keep up with the hull.
low elk
Hellcat is more mobile
jackson has more armor
hellcat is typically harder to play than the jackson while the jackson excels on DPM and clubbing
solid gate
Anyway I am bothered by something. I thought there was an American tank I stumbled across that was similar to A1E1 or some other tank but forgot what it was. Smh.
crystal hare
Jackson is uptiered Wolverine and Hellcat is a TD version of Chaffee to put it in simple terms
solid gate
Should have wrote it down on my list as soon as I saw it. But was short on time as I had to get to work. sighs I wish I could remember that dang tank. Anyway until they I’ll be adding other tanks to the list I have been making.
low elk
theres a 500 DPM difference
so ur choice
though the jackson leads into the fat thing known as the T95 and the E3
while the hellcat leads into the T30 and E4 but has the option to swap and lead into the T95 and the E3
solid gate
Speaking of Chaffee I think I found a prototype version of it that looks a bit different. Would be a nice tier V.
So that’s why I like Jackson better. Better dpm as well as armor. It is sluggish compared to Hellcat but what do you expect from a tank with more armor?
low elk
Both are equally good tanks
just depends on the player
solid gate
I put T58 on my list but I wouldn’t expect it in game. 155mm toting oscillating turreted heavy tank. Basically a T57 with a bigger gun.
hoary verge
New tank unlocked! 😁
solid gate
Rip
hoary verge
First game
solid gate
T-34-2G FT isn’t that fun to me. Trash tank. But 111-1G FT is even worse.
royal crown
hi
solid gate
Goodnight all.
solid gate
how should I play the Chi ri?
tulip sail
Without worrying about your stats
solid gate
ummm...
solid gate
@solid gate abuse the gun, it is amazing and it is the only good thing the tank has, try and play second line and use the whole clip at once since intraclip reload is only 1 sec long. Keep in mind u r massive, slow and u lack armour, try and count the enemy reloads in your head before you peek to get 3 shells in. Good luck. 🍀
ok thx
candid harbor
@tulip sail man of culture I see
@solid gate follow what maximov said and try to fight light armoured targets, don't bother with anything that has armour, penetration is not your strong suit, watch out for T49s
tulip sail
Yes I've invested a bit too much time into Sherman's
hollow belfry
@solid gate t 34 2g is fun to play, such a fast td with nice 120 mm and good dpm.
wz 111 1g ft is a monster lol. Armor is reliable when reversing back into cover, gun is an absolute monster and its mobile enough to relocate quickly.
Just my opinion and experiences with them. :)
solid gate
hello, I would like to know if it was possible to change the elements of the collection tanks
solid gate
@hollow belfry Ha! SU-122-44 does it better. The Chinese tank trolls the user too much. Even when fully aimed in it misses it’s mark. At least it did that to me. Stupid RNG crap. Also the tank is not easy to play whether running around trying to support or whatever you do.
Also no the 111-1G FT does not have good armor. You cannot hide the stupid hull which is weak.
solid gate
I disagree with Wargaming making T54E2 a tier 8 premium heavy. It’s not a heavy Wargaming!
hollow belfry
Lol i have that rng bs with the isu 152.... truly annoying yep.
solid gate
Now I gotta rethink this or keep it as a dream. Heck maybe I should make my own mobile tank game to rival theirs.
hollow belfry
Dont know how you play it mate but i have bounced a helluva lot with that hull :)
Also the t34 2g is a lot more mobile than the su 122 44 if i remember correctly
T34 2g also has insane camo, im talking borsig level camo
solid gate
And yes I firmly believe Pershing isn’t a worthy tier 8 and would be better at tier 7. Especially with it’s low dpm compared to tier other 8s. The armor is trash too. And realistically the T25 should be tier 7 premium. Alongside it’s T23 brother yet it has a bigger gun.
M46 would lose the 105mm and only use it’s 90mm like irl. T42 leads to M47 which leads to M48. T54E2 leads to T95E3.
spice ivy
Finally got JP II to 100% and i gotta say, despite its relatively tall profile and poor armor (the casemate aint doin favors). Its got alot going for it. Obviously it aint the type to facehug and brawl with confused meds and lights unlike its predecessor but as a long range support TD it does its job, especially with the top gun
I will have a rather splendid time trying to master this thing
Btw what is the major selling point for these upcoming Japanese TDs?
solid gate
I’m just going to make lists of tanks I find interesting now. Maybe if I learn how to make a game I will make my own tank game one day. Because I don’t trust Wargaming to know what they are doing at this point. T54E2 is not a heavy Wargaming. I don’t think there is a heavy version of it with a 120mm gun either. May go look but I doubt there is.
lean plank
I dont get how people think the M26 Pershing deserves to be downgraded to tier 7
hushed shadow
Why do you say it’s not a heavy? @solid gate
solid gate
Because it’s not. The entire T54 set is all mediums.
solid gate
Go look at people who have researched this stuff by reading books on tanks. FTR and this other guy show the T54E2 is a medium. Why Wargaming made it a tier 8 heavy I don’t know. I think it would be a nice tier 9 medium.
lean plank
Firstly, the vehicle has an adequate amount of armor. More specifically, 76mm of armor on the sides can be able to turn it into quite a capable mobile sidescraper if angled correctly. The turret armor, more specifically the mantlet, is really capable as well as it makes for a bad idea to shoot the turret due to the massive mantlet which, although not invincible, is very tough to crack through. Even the frontal hull armor itself isnt as useless since it is pretty decent against T7 lights and meds alongside being very difficult to reliably pen it with HE. Second, camo and spotting statistics are very capable. You can be able to make the Pershing a reliable spotter if you want to make a well contribution to your team. Alongside great hull down capabilities for a medium, sidescraping potential, and spotting capability, the Pershing is not the best option for mediums, but it doesnt mean that its a hopeless cause that should be downgraded to tier 7.
solid gate
Not historical. Wargaming staff are fooling themselves on their “historical accuracy” nonsense when they do crap like that. Also giving T32 the T29’s gun is not historically accurate. The T32 Prototype used a 90mm gun.
lean plank
Im not saying that your case is all inadequate, however. The Pershing does deserve a bit of love but it can be just with a simple faster reload time or a boost in penetration value. A rise in DPM to where its on-par with something around the 2000 DPM range seems pretty generous to make it a bit more capable.
solid gate
@lean plank The Pershing is a glass cannon mate. It will rarely face tier 7s anyway and tier 8s smash through it’s armor like nothing. Even when you think you’ve hull down right; BOOM! Get penned. Tier 9s are even worse to face with it. Also it’s the third slowest medium top speed wise but it doesn’t exactly maintain that speed.
Well they don’t seem to want to buff it. It’s either buff it or move it down to tier 7. Only 2 options.
lean plank
Id still say buff it because moving it down to tier 7 doesnt make any sense. Besides, its still very capable if you can be able to use its spotting mechanics, good camouflage values, among other aspects. Its a bit tougher to play it against tier 9s, but in all honesty, its not impossible with cupola or lower glacis shots at the most
solid gate
Honestly at this point I’m thinking about researching and making my own tank game to rival Blitz some day. Seriously sick of Wargaming and their stupid ideas.
lean plank
Youre not wrong that they do accomplish some horrible ideas. The rockets concept seems like a disaster from the start since T92E1s are spammed in every single Tier 9 match
The one event was fine with T49 ATGMs but to make it researchable is just making the game's simple mechanics disrupted.
solid gate
I may still play Blitz but not going to buy fake heavy T54E2 nor go past T20 (which should be tier 6 after I found out more about the real one) because Pershing is just meh at best and I don’t like it. Also I hear M48 isn’t that great for it’s tier. Decent turret armor but yeah not enough going for it for people to want it I guess.
lean plank
Well have you ever played the Pershing? Not all tanks are completely useless at times
solid gate
@lean plank The problem I had with T49 ATM was they put it at tier 7. Should have been tier 8 minimum.
@lean plank I played it twice on 2 previous and now deleted accounts. Didn’t like it back then. Probably won’t like it now.
lean plank
Makes sense not all tanks are suited for everyone. I guess its just that every tank has its special moments in some instances
And the T49 ATM situation does make a bit of sense but either way you can still experience these certain issues with the T92E1 and the Sheridan since theres such a loud outburst against them that many are referencing Tier 7 as the new Tier 10
solid gate
Also I may have tried looking for T92E1. Cannot find it. It’s a fake tank. Now T92 was real but not with the Sheridan turret and gun. Also if T92 was added I’d put it at tier 7 max. They put it at tier 8 in PC and I heard it was crap. You cannot put a 76mm at tier 8. Heck they can struggle at tier 7 at times when going against bigger guns. At tier 8 a 76mm gun would be useless. Oh, and that’s why I hate when they did with British lights. FV301 is a tier too high and the other 2 are fake.
lean plank
I mean, a majority of Blitz's vehicles are fake. Overall, wargaming has a large collection of vehicles that never existed like the T28 Prototype, T110E3, the Drac and Helsing vehicles, and much more. I think its alright to include popular tanks from pop culture, even if its made up, but still, Drac, Helsing, Scavenger, and a lot of other tanks are just there to either fill the gaps in tech trees or just be there to be 'stand-out premiums' for Wargaming to make a profit.
solid gate
For me there shouldn’t be a year limit but rather just no smoothbore guns and no composite armor. That’s the only criteria.
lean plank
Doesnt the T95E6 have a smoothbore gun?
solid gate
T110E3 isn’t fake. I think you meant E4. Also no, it has rifled. The T95/Chieftain does though but Wargaming added (riffled) to it’s name.
lean plank
Oh. All that i remembered was one of the tier 10 american vehicles being fake
What seems to be a bit extreme though is putting an MBT-70 at a tier where early cold-war era tanks and world war 2-era vehicles are at tbh
solid gate
Yeah, E4 is fake in that it has a turret. The real one did not. There were 6 designs of the T110 I think and only 1 had a turret which is what everyone calls the E5.
Well putting Chieftain Mk 6 in the game seems controversial. That thing was a 1975 upgrade of an earlier Chieftain model. If you go by year limit then that pushes the envelope if not breaks it.
solid gate
@solid gate the Mk6 upgrade debuted in 1979 while the only thing that’s controversial about it was its ammunition it was perfectly fine for blitz
@solid gate Actually you’re right but I get confused as some say it was 1975 and some say it was 1979 upgrade. Regardless it is post 1960s which most people claim is the year limit Wargaming has. Realistically I don’t think they do or should.
@solid gate the official limit is 1980
lyric oriole
STB-1 is late 60s so stopping at 1960 would make no sense
solid gate
Wow. Sad. I said 1960s not 1960 itself. Actually it would be 1970 by my wording. Read between the lines mate.
I don’t care to be honest. VFM 5 > Fake Vickers Light 105
regal zealot
Scorpion 90 > VFM 5
Just my opinion. Low alpha but high DPM LTs with HESH akin to the RU 251’s at tier X
That would at least make the British branch unique
solid gate
Eh Scorpion 90 to me is tier 8.
regal zealot
Eh, agree to disagree
solid gate
You cannot have everything be unique mate. Not how things work for balance.
regal zealot
That may be true, but having a light tank that’s akin to an existing tank is quite uninspired imo. With the VFM 5, wouldn’t it be too similar to the Leo 1?
solid gate
Leo 1 is a medium though.
regal zealot
Sure, but It does play like a pseudo light
solid gate
Why it’s a glass cannon I do not know. VFM 5 though is a true light not a medium pretending to be a light.
But if you put Scorpion 90 at tier 10 then nobody would want to grind to it. Even if it worked the tanks below it would suffer from LAS and just suck. No average player would want to grind to a tank when the tanks leading to it suck.
Also 225 alpha vs minimum 310 on other tanks would realistically suffer in itself.
regal zealot
Hm
solid gate
You could give it ridiculous pen and reload (especially reload) but that presents another problem. The player then has to expose themselves too often to get shots off. You would have a team dependent tank that can only spot and hope teammates can get their shots off in time for the player playing it would get assistance damage.
regal zealot
That’s what I’m thinking of when contemplating its playstyle.
The DPM is a bonus when in the right situations, but its primary purpose is to spot and take small chunks of health, little by little, with the 102mm pen HESH being used for the sides of meds or lightly armored TDs
Sure, it may not be suitable for Blitz as the maps are a tad bit small for scouting builds
solid gate
But how many players do you think can spot without getting spotted and hammered in such a low alpha tank? Also some would be frustrated by the low alpha. It’s one why a lot of players don’t play the British. Especially the tier 8s. Heck even Comet somewhat suffers from LAS plus has low pen.
Realistically if I did it your way (since flanking can be hard in Blitz) I’d give the Scorpion 90 a high amount of pen and rof to compensate for low alpha and bad armor.
regal zealot
I’d give it 240mm of pen for standard rounds and 290mm for its prammo.
The DPM would be one of the best in game, offset by its low alpha, like you said. It would have very good camo values though, so you could scout with more proficiency
solid gate
Would have to have the highest camo rating in game imo.
regal zealot
I really want something akin to the Vk 16.02 Leopard with its now removed 5cm gun, which is why I want to push for this idea
2s reload for 70 alpha was so good
solid gate
Well I personally wouldn’t play it because the tanks leading to it Wargaming would probably screw up.
regal zealot
Regarding the camos, it would be worse than the UE 57, for obvious reasons
solid gate
One reason I am not going for the British lights they are giving. The FV301 looks like it has the right but (a 77mm) but it’s tier 8 tank. Not a good idea. Even if it has good camo rating.
Plus the other 2 are made up. I don’t mind playing some made up tanks they have I guess but these British lights are a no no for me.
regal zealot
I may not be going for it too, as the line feels uninspired, though I’ll be going for the FV301 for the lols. Maybe it’ll have better DPM than the Comet. Only time will tell
Also, the FV301 mounts the 17-pdr, not the 76mm
solid gate
Comet has good on paper dpm but in battle if you start using tactics such as waiting for camo to reset you lower that dpm. On paper dpm ≠ effective dpm.
That’s not realistic.
From what I’ve found the FV301 was to use a 77mm gun not the 17 pounder.
regal zealot
solid gate
Yeah I got mixed up. Edited that. Yeah it uses the 77mm HV gun not the 17 pounder.
solid gate
Wargaming giving tanks the wrong guns.
Like T32 having the 105mm T5E# or T15E# gun. I forget what the name of the gun is on T29.
when amx 30b in shop?
Don’t know.
regal zealot
Dunno unfortunately, unless if you’re lucky to get it from a tier X crate, provided you get a dupe from a tier IX crate, in which you get a dupe from a tier VIII crate
solid gate
i have a 10.25% chance of getting a tier 10 crate
hushed shadow
How did you calculate that? WG hasn’t given any drop rates for any of the tanks in the crates
rancid mauve
I’m debating if the tier 8 is worth... Id almost consider the tier 7 container, as I have lots of tier 7 premiums and would love the Drac or Smasher...
solid gate
That's assuming the drop chances are equal for each tank. There are 39 tanks in the tier 8 crate, 16 of which i own. That gives me a 0.41% chance, approximately, to get a tank I do own from a tier 8 crate and move on to tier 9. I own 1 out of 4 of the tier 9 tanks, so that's 0.25% chance. 0.41 x .25 is 0.1025, or 10.25% to get a tier 10 crate. If i wanted to calculate the chance of me getting a tier 10 tank i don't own (i have the chieftain), it would be 0.41 x 0.25 x 0.875 (7/8 chance to get a tier 10 tank i don't own) which comes out to around 0.09, or 9 percent chance to get a tier 10 tank i don't own. @hushed shadow
rancid mauve
Then I’d get the tier 8 crate for already having the tier 7 tanks...
solid gate
big brain time
hushed shadow
I doubt the chances are equal, since Wg didn’t mention anything on those
solid gate
They wouldn't release the crates without releasing information on the drop chances for each individual tank. @hushed shadow
broken marten
E79 meme by Atlas Games 😉 Have Fun
solid gate
Tier 7 crate I think has only 1 tank in it I do not have. The Smasher. Tier 8 crate has 3. Chimera, T34 (1776), and uh forgot the other one. Tier 9 I think has none that I don’t have. Tier 10 would have 1 or 2. Definitely don’t have the T-22.
Apparently people have petitioned Wargaming to add stuff like E 79, E 90, Krokodil, and other made up tanks to WoT.
broken marten
this is other game his not like World of Tanks
solid gate
I know that. But people have wanted E 79 in WoT not realizing it is fake or something like that.
solid gate
Funny how Wargaming will add misinterpretations of tanks, some fake tanks, or concept tanks but not these fake tanks.
I’ll keep playing Blitz but I want to find tanks that were at least mentioned somewhere in historical research books or something like that. Tanks that other people online have found mention of and put up at least the name of. May also get books myself such as the ones FTR and OTM got their information from. I’m just trying to research and put lists together. May one day make my own tank game.
broken marten
Nice if you want you can join the game Tank Union
everyone who is interested in this project is welcome
solid gate
Well E 79 and such are interesting but my idea if for tanks that were real, prototypes, mock ups, concept drawings, blueprints, are at least thought of in a name and written down in words somewhere. In history that is. Ones made up by modern artists, for games, or anything else like that are the last tanks I would consider.
broken marten
search on deep web maybe you can find it there, I searched once and found a turret concept for the Panther and one for the E100
solid gate
Is that blender?
solid gate
Blender is awesome. I’d make my own made up tanks on there if I knew how.
atomic vessel
Fastest tank that can use high octane?
I flew off the windmill hill yesterday in castilla with the Jpanth II
solid gate
probably hellcat
woeful pumice
You can go 196 km/h in hellcat
fleet berryBOT
Haezz#0351 has been warned.
gleaming ore
Lol
elfin orbit
What in the world is the t54e2
Looks nice tho
Now on my bucket list along with su130pm
spice steeple
they need to add the pz 1c
solid gate
@elfin orbit The T54E2 is a conventional turret and gun with human loader version of the T54E1.
So realistically the T54E2 should be a tier 9 medium not another tier 8 heavy. #WargamingIsDrunkOnMoney
solid gate
@elfin orbit Technically it’s not a heavy but Wargaming in their infinite wisdom made it one. In reality it is a medium. No ifs, ands, or buts.
mortal gulch
Dayum. That's OP.
broken sentinel
Kinda. You can't really look at the gun and ignore the platform to get a good idea of how the tank performs. It's very situational and relies heavily on RNG. It is a very fun tank, but it is by far not OP imo. @mortal gulch
fading ginkgo
Yep, the Aim is... Meh....
mortal gulch
Yeah, I know. It's not a tank that always performs well. But for my Japanese tanks, that thing is OP. Russian TDs mostly doesn't even need to rely on RNG to wreck me.
broken sentinel
That's because they're Japanese tanks, which have no armor. It's not necessarily that the BL-10 is OP, but rather that the Japanese tanks aren't reliable damage tankers. You have to be vigilant and cautious in those tanks, avoiding damage where you can.
On a side note, I do think the Japanese mid tier tanks need a buff to DPM and penetration (for the Chi-Ri and Chi-To mainly). They lag behind the pack a lot of the time. I don't however, think they should get an armor buff. That would make them way too strong imo.
fading ginkgo
U know what? Even with BL-10, if u unlucky Ur shot can bounce everytime u fired a shot
broken sentinel
I personally use Calibrated Shells on the ISU-152. That extra HE pen is very nice and I basically get guaranteed pens against anything I come against (unless I'm shooting at some stupid angle or armor thickness).
candid harbor
@broken sentinel don't leak secret dokuments
real pulsar
Does the mod1 have too much armor for being a med
Cause you try to fight it in the type59 and its impossable to block shots and pen the frontal
candid harbor
How is St 1? I am willing to get IS 4 and stad pad.
hushed shadow
Seems like a nice tank but stock grind would be hard if you didn’t do the is8 yet
candid harbor
@hushed shadow already had is8 and free xp turrent and engine
solid gate
@candid harbor amazing tank, tough turret, decent gun, not like the typical bl9 guns or whatever they r called, abuse that turret and your amazing pen especially with prammo, dont facehug directly equal tier tanks. Cupola is very hard to hit but still try not to stay in the open without moving too much. Very easy to play overall
candid harbor
thank you
candid harbor
this might be very strong tank
urban kiln
Gg
candid harbor
:D
hollow belfry
@real pulsar nah mate, drive onto a hill or push him onto one if he drives backwards, that plate will turn grey. Also, at an angle youre impennable for a mod 1s normal ap. Its a lot harder for a mod 1 to pen an angled type 59 with prammo than it is for a type 59 to pen the mod 1 with prammo, mod 1s turret isnt that strong plus the mod 1s cupola is a pretty reliable pen in a face hug.
dont forget you have more gun depression too. :)
solid gate
Well now the only tier 10 premium/collector I don’t have is the T-22. Tier 8 is T34 (1776), Chimera, and SuperPershing.
lavish socket
@mortal gulch yeah, i had experience with it, if it chooses to, the shot from the BL-10 can trace even the most impossible of shots, otherwise, your shot may fall short even if your enemy is 20m away
solid gate
Yeah I changed my mind about some fake tanks for some nations in my tank lists. Poland has 2. A PZInz 126 and the Polnischer Panzer 39.
broken sentinel
@real pulsar the mod 1 is a good tank, but it has a very mediocre gun and lackluster mobility. You need to take advantage of these things in your 59 by going hulldown and firing premium ammo (which they have to shoot at you as well).
viral lodge
59 is better hulldown (better turret) Mod1 has a better hull.
broken sentinel
^^^ kinda like the difference between the 140 and 62A, but more pronounced
rotund palm
Should i research Grille 15 or FV 183?
solid gate
Yes
rotund palm
So both?
solid gate
Yeah, see which one suits you more
broken sentinel
@rotund palm if you're considering purchasing free XP for once of those tank's, don't do it. Neither of those tank's is worth spending money on imo
candid harbor
@rotund palm don't research grille unless you want to have overly challenging gameplay by driving a weaker tank
forget about that lline after topping wt auf pz 4
rotund palm
So should i go for FV 183 and Research the Jg Pz E100?
broken sentinel
@rotund palm The Jageroo is one of the best TDs in the game rn. Go for that one.
As of late, the 183 has been utter garbage (as it should be, that tank was a stain on the game).
rotund palm
I bought the Jg Pz E100
broken sentinel
Or yeah the E3 is pretty nice as well
Edit: nice
rotund palm
Whoch heavy should i grind for next Maus or E100 or VK 72?
candid harbor
E100 (easier to do damage) or Maus (easier to bounce)
broken sentinel
Maus is situationally good, VK is not very great in the current meta, E100 is pretty nice overall.
candid harbor
@rotund palm welcome to gold hate gang
broken sentinel
I love both my Maus and E100, each in their own ways. The E100 gets the 150mm derp while the Maus gets insane armor and HP (which is getting buffed next patch to 3k HP)
candid harbor
@rotund palm it is strong
broken sentinel
Kinda. It depends on how well you know the game. Good players will know how to use it and make it seem broken to other players. Bad players will struggle a lot with the tank. @rotund palm
rotund palm
I'm not kinda used to it
broken sentinel
I'd wait on it then. Get more used to medium tanks and then try the FV out again.
rotund palm
The reason why I don't grind it is
- The Sheridans Firing Rockets
2.The T92 Running to the Back fast - Those dang HESH Bullets randomly Flying to me
broken sentinel
Yeah, a stock conq is very very bad. If you can save up free XP to skip some modules, I highly recommend that.
rotund palm
Is grindind the T95 worth it?
fast compass
Doomturtle is fine. And e3 is one of the better tier 10 tds so yeah go ahead
solid gate
One it’s a T9
Second of you haven’t been paying attention at all all t9s are bad against T10 and it’s gonna get worse next update
lyric oriole
T-54 has a lot going for it tbh. It has good armor, good alpha, and good mobility and the DPM is good too. Penetration is pretty much the balancing factor.
viral lodge
E50 and Conway are my favorite T9s. (Conway can hold its own against T10s)
hushed shadow
Conway with stock gun is nice. Is the top gun better? Haven’t researched that yet since the stock gun does very well
lyric oriole
The top gun is best used for trading, more of a high Alpha TD but the stock gun is better for gunning down things
lusty cobalt
T54 is officially one of the worst meds
floral seal
I'm thinking about a little change - Toaster and Jumbo should get some of their pre 5.5 modules, Toaster middle gun had awesome left-right angle but worse dpm and penetration, and Jumbo had great stock turret, with op armor but forcing to use a bad gun. I loved these two for such thing, top configuration didn't always mean better feeling. I still remember using 2nd gun on Toaster and i loved it.
solid gate
@lusty cobalt The T54E1?
Honestly the T54E2 premium should be renamed T54E2 120.
Well the gun looks slightly different on the end. Also it doesn’t have the cupola in game. Still looks somewhat similar. This is the T54E2:
Well that better be the 120 version. The T54E2 is a medium not a heavy Wargaming. The 120 version can be a heavy but not the main T54E2 itself.
hushed shadow
I guess they alter cupolas for balance reasons
frigid compass
just like how the M48 and M60 has no cupola
quick ore
viral lodge
Its the best tech tree T8 heavy
wise moth
It's the M54 Renegade on PC @solid gate
105mm gun, roughly the same hull as an M48 Patton, and the turret is pretty much invincible vs. tier 8 guns except the cupola
viral lodge
Tiger II is an anti noob tank, since they dont realize prammo exists
wise moth
Mobility is pretty decent, slightly worse effective p/w than a T26E5, but higher speed limit of 45
solid gate
@wise moth Huh? I thought the M54 Renegade was a different tank.
wise moth
Nope, this is the renegade. But for some reason, WG shaved the cupola off for Blitz
low elk
BaLaNcE
random tartan
I am so excited for this new addition to the game! Previously, I was disappointed by the lack of hull down heavies at tier 8, but I'm so glad that they're taking steps to fix that!
wise moth
I'm assuming that's sarcasm lol
random tartan
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
@wise moth Yeah, I went and looked. Wiki says it’s a depiction of the T54E2.
Honestly the T54E2 would make a nice tier 9 tech tree medium imho.
Both Wargaming PC and Blitz staffs make dumb decisions sometimes. Like I heard T92 and Bat-Chat 12t are what tier 8? They suck because being at that tier. Dumb. And T54E2 being a tier 8 heavy (especially if it’s the T140E3 gun version) is dumb. First off it’s not a heavy and secondly we have plenty of tier 8 premium heavies.
random tartan
@wise moth I'm pretty sure I can name some tier 8 heavies that aren't supposed to be played hull down...
Like the AMX 50 100
solid gate
I swear Wargaming drinks too much or something. They make some of the dummest decisions. Blitz staff more so than PC as far as I know but I am not going to guarantee that.
slender perch
@wise moth They shaved the cupola off for Blitz because it's a very hard game to play. Weakspots are stupid, everyone should be able to sit hull down, not move, and never get penetrated. Moving and aiming at the same time is too hard, so shaving off weakspots is the way to go.
hollow belfry
Take that action x, nearly impennable turret. Totally not op for that icw higher dpm than other heavies. Its not like anybody complained about that, so why shouldnt wg just add another nigh impennable hulldown heavy.
viral lodge
Its not impenetrable.
wise moth
Action X can be penned by high pen tier 8 APCR shells. @hollow belfry Contrast this
With this:
solid gate
@slender perch They didn’t shave it off of the T95E6. Also Chieftain Mk 6 has tiny hatch/cupola yet isn’t near as easy to hull down as some other hull down heavies.
slender perch
Should I start adding "Sarcasm btw" to the end of my posts? 🤔
I was merely making fun of Wargaming and their balancing ways. 😉
viral lodge
If you are being sarcastic at east use italics.
slender perch
random tartan
We're gatekeeping sarcasm now?
viral lodge
No just clarifying lol.
slender perch
Nice
viral lodge
Exactly, its makes then read it closer and think about it, easier to realize.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
It’s hard to tell when someone is using sarcasm online. Well for me I cannot tell when someone is being sarcastic when face to face with them. But online is next to impossible to tell realistically.
viral lodge
If you dont use some method to distinguish it even if it has sarcastic intent it will mean what it says. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid gate
Well Wargaming is ridiculous. I no longer trust them to know what they are doing. Heck update 5.5 was dumb and started a mess they now cannot ever fully fix.
viral lodge
lol true
slender perch
You are really smart for showing me how to use italics properly, thank you very much kind sir.
viral lodge
and that is hows done 👍 came across clearly
solid gate
Wargaming T54E2 should be tier 9 medium for the love of all things.
slender perch
Not gonna lie, I don't think it did.
random tartan
@wise moth That turret looks disgusting, and the tank isn't even using gun depression
solid gate
Super Conqueror for tech tree huh? Yeah, too late for that because Wargreedy.
viral lodge
I saw Super Conq in a match earlier.
solid gate
It’s going to be collector sadly.
viral lodge
the main thing I noticed is it has pretty fast turret traverse lol
solid gate
Has anyone seen Vickers Light 105 in battle yet? Testers should have it.
viral lodge
Is Light 105 the T10 or 8/9?
solid gate
Tier 10. Not that I care for that stupid tank.
viral lodge
I saw it once. Didnt pay much attention to it though, they did good I think.
solid gate
VFM 5 will murder the fake Light 105.
A coworker told me there is a Vickers 105 but from the sounds of it it is more of a TD/SPG. The Light 105 is made up crap.
patent river
kv-1 u11 gun need more penetration power
broken sentinel
The Vickers light looks awful to me. Not the statistics, I think it over performs as far as statistics go. I think the tank just looks ugly as hell. It doesnt help that that thing is borderline OP.
tulip sail
I dont get why add fake tanks in the tech tree when theres plenty tanks that would be a good candidate that's real
tulip sail
Hmmmmm
solid gate
@tulip sail Sadly they won’t add VFM 5 since it’s a 1985 tank most likely. It doesn’t have composite armor or smoothbore gun though so I don’t see why they wouldn’t just because some dumb year limit.
tulip sail
It makes sense that they dont want too modern
Itsjust theres better things to add then well what we've got that afaik are fake (tho its possible to be classified or lost to archives)
solid gate
I don’t think the VFM 5 is too modern really. Besides it wasn’t even used by anybody. Offered but nobody took it.
For me I would not do a year limit or if I did it would be 2000. Also no smoothbore guns or composite armor. Spaced armor is fine but composite is not. Also cannot include ERA.
@solid gate the vfm MK5 is from 1986-1987
@solid gate 1985, 1986, 1987. Whatever. It’s mid 1980s more or less. Honestly I’d rather not have British lights than these crappy ones they are giving us. I’d rather pursue the Japanese TDs than those pieces of junk. Heck the FV301 getting a 17 pounder (presumably) is wrong.
random tartan
Hey, has everyone just accepted missiles? I want to know if I get to do stuff like this in the future
next solstice
guess we finally adjusted
solid gate
Nah. Missiles still suck the fun out of the game.
normal wyvern
Missiles are a fcking travesty
solid gate
I wonder if the XM1 Chrysler and Detroit models would be acceptable. Also what model of Chieftain if any of the Mks got composite armor? Because all I found was the Chieftain 800 (I think) and Chieftain 900 which tested the chobham armor.
somber apex
Im confuse with tog 2 is that tank is amphibious tank or just normal tank?
somber apex
I see make senses now
solid gate
@solid gate very late chieftain upgrades I believe have some chobham armor on the xm1s can fit but need to be very tweaked in order to actually fit
@solid gate I see. Well I know somebody else was mentioning adding the XM1 but wasn’t sure if they’d be suitable for the game.
@solid gate the xm1s don’t really have anything special besides the gm one having adjustable suspension they both still just use normal steel although they range near the 250-300 and a bit 350mm of course they would have really high mobility
Of course they would have mobility. They have powerful engines and are MBTs.
AGS-M41:
hollow notch
Looks like a lycan
solid gate
You on something?
hollow notch
Does it not? @solid gate
fading ginkgo
Maybe it's a mix between AGS-M41 and IS3?
Look at those pike nose
Aaand the tracks.... Reminds me at AMX 13
hollow belfry
@wise moth how does it look on full gun depression?
Just asking because in game those darn turrets look red all over for me in most tanks
ancient patrol
Super Conq collectable tank, are you kidding me
hushed shadow
Ah, you’ve taken a break from the game for some time?
solid gate
@hollow notch Lycan has like now. M41 hull does not. Lycan has muzzle break and 122mm. AGS-M41 has 105mm and doesn’t have to have a muzzle break. In fact that image of it doesn’t afaict.
ancient patrol
Ya I just came back for mad games
solid gate
I mean there is that, the AGS-M551, Stringray itself, and M551 M68.
rotund palm
I hate it when FV215B 183 does 1625 damage To my Maus Legionary
And Half the Modules and Crew Knocked out
reef spindle
Hey, does anyone know anything about the Panther 8,8 cm? I would like to get it but I never managed to see it in the shop, only in a few battles.
solid gate
@reef spindle Don’t know the last time they had that thing in anything. Shop or otherwise.
solid gate
B-C 25t need dpm buff
drifting vapor
Nerf Standard B? You are crazy WG 👎
hollow belfry
@rotund palm sorry mate but that means youre not using your maus right lol.
merry viper
kv4 top turret or tracks
odd horizon
Nerf Standard B? You are crazy WG 👎
@drifting vapor yeah, This tank was bad before this nerf.
merry viper
dont find it that slow but sure it's massive lol
solid gate
@nova monolith That is the Centaur which may have mounted that 95mm howitzer gun but there was at least proposal to give it a 75mm gun. Also it could get the Crusader gun too. I personally wouldn’t play it with the howitzer because howitzers (especially at tiers III-V) generally suck.
nova monolith
Hmmm
solid gate
I wonder if they secretly nerfed the KV-4’s top turret on the machine gun mount or what the deal is. That top turret used to be stronger.
@nova monolith Yes, hmmm. Also I proposed to Wargaming to replace Crusader with it. It’s nearly as slow (45kph tops) but it has Cromwell armor values.
nova monolith
Yos
solid gate
Basically a slower Cromwell because weaker engine.
nova monolith
I think that could be an tier 5 premium
solid gate
Nah. It should be tech tree.
nova monolith
With a small nerf
hollow belfry
@merry viper KV-4 is prolly a lot of things but fast imo, but if you’re a heavy tanks main then you are probs used to slow tanks
solid gate
We don’t need more premiums right now.
Cromwell fits right in with it’s tier but Crusader, Comet (thought not alone at it’s tier), and the British tier 8s suffer from LAS.
merry viper
@hollow belfry not a heavy main but grinded bot usa td lines and british one. That my friend, that's real slow hours lol
candid harbor
Can I get link for those profile pics
asking for my kat
solid gate
? I dont know what to Call this. But i think German Tech tree, Tier X (or higher 😉 new tiger line. (Or after tiger 2
solid gate
That’s russian design and get out
neon sorrel
Hey, I have a question. WHy can't I pen Tiger II with my KV-4 ?
north badger
@solid gate german? Haha not even close
hushed shadow
Looks neat and simple so that must be why
Usually there’d be the boxes or other objects on the outside
fluid parrot
For Italians
north badger
@solid gate has to be Russian. It does look really nice ngl
Low profile are great at face hugging
solid gate
@north badger it is russian design but it’s a concept not real
raven valley
Make them change the entire name of the tiger 2 with the new camo to just "konigstiger" or however u spell it
solid gate
We need 60 tp polish heavy
Ikr
What should be a new german tank? What should it be called
hollow notch
Ratte
viral lodge
German tree doesn’t need new tanks really, a light T9/10 is the only new tanks that their tree is missing, other trees are way more incomplete.
hybrid tartan
Would you guys recommend the chineese mediums or the heavies? I already grinded out the russian meds and i am close to the is-4, and now I have enough xp on my type 58 to make a decision.
viral lodge
I mean IS-4 is probably the best heavy rn, and still will be, Chinese vs Russian meds there is some variation.
hollow notch
Maus is the only heavy you need
viral lodge
🤔 they are different playstyles and strengths.
solid gate
Its either is7 or is4 two of the best heavies
They should add to the EU tech tree by the way
hybrid tartan
It is quite new, I am sure they will add more after the ones they have planned rn
hollow belfry
IS-7 isn't one of the best T10 heavies
Lmao
hollow belfry
Wait
There are stil ppl who think it's good?
Pffff
solid gate
Lol???
hollow belfry
There are way better heavies at T10
Being able to perform in a tank doesn't means it's superior to it's peers
Ask other ppl, most experienced players will tell you it's powercrept
solid gate
No i have the is4, e100 , maus and the chieftain
And of course the best out of all of them is7
I think its good u can disagree i dont care
hybrid tartan
many agree is7 is no longer the best
While it is not the most reliable way to compare, average winrate dmg and kills on the is7 is worse than is 4
acoustic dome
Um can someone nerf the speed on the leopard gun
I mean how many of y'all have been killed in level 4 lobbies by the leopard spend every single bullet into you
tepid cairn
which Leopard? the tier 5, 9, or 10?
hybrid tartan
Lol, I think he means tier 5
solid gate
T55E1 with a 3 inch gun proposed for Desert Ops stuff.
Cook Brothers were the guys behind this 80km/h GoKart
@solid gate
@acoustic dome Little Leopard is getting penetration nerf next update. Down from 95 to 80.
@solid gate Funky looking thing. Wouldn’t be added to Blitz though because wheels.
What nooo how could they nerf the leo when its pen is so bad already!?
Is wg crazy
I mean really the leo already sucks
next solstice
A fast moving platform, that could potentially deal 250+ dmg in a single clip, in Tier 5 apparently sucks
viral lodge
they need to nerf T1 then as well, Leo can barely pen that things rear let alone the sides
iron sequoia
Have no idea how this works
Is this like a comm to other players as you play can someone please elaborate
solid gate
@viral lodge VK 16 Leopard does struggle to pen certain tanks like T1 and AT 2 but it’s far from bad. Why they are nerfing the pen IDK.
viral lodge
ya, the pen nerf is odd, and T1 is doing better than it.
solid gate
Well there are 12 shells in the clip with what 25 damage each? But when you spam the button instead of taking time with shooting up to half those shells can bounce. Especially when shooting at heavies and decent to well armored TDs.
I mean they are lowering the AP pen only but that’s silly when the APCR does even less damage per shot. So lowering dpm and clip potential when shooting that.
hollow notch
Their balancing is really bad lately all the heavy buffs are ridiculous
solid gate
The team that does the balancing doesn’t actually play the game btw
They want to bring heavies back into their element I guess. Too many heavies have become unreliable for their job of taking hits without dying quickly. Heavies are supposed to hold the line not be the support guys. TDs are the support players who hit hard but have poor health so they must be protected. Lights and mediums are supposed to be the fast tanks that can spot and flank and such.
hollow notch
@solid gate it's kinda obvious
solid gate
I mean they are overdoing the buffs, I agree. But heavies should generally be the front line bullies. Taking the hits and protecting allies while mediums and lights flank or whatever.
hollow notch
@solid gatebut we get heavy tanks with guns to tear mediums apart along with armor to make tds worthless
solid gate
@hollow notch Yeah, they are overbuffing the armor. (Except Tiger II armor is still useless against stuff like ISU but ISU has stupid pen.)
hollow notch
And then we have tiger 1s. Mediums with more armor than heavies
solid gate
Actually Tiger I is only a menace because it can brawl mediums more now than it ever could before.
hollow notch
The tiger has a brutal gun with a perfectly functional speed. The also added brutal armor to it.
solid gate
Though only if the player in it knows how to brawl mediums and can do it 1 at a time. 3 mediums vs 1 Tiger though would be win for the mediums unless the dummest of the dumb medium players.
hollow notch
I sure hope three tanks can kill any tank
When we get to that point consider me done with the game
solid gate
Realistically I haven’t seen an increase in Tiger I players to the degree I’d expect. Then again I am playing tier 8 mostly at the moment.
I think they should have nerfed the speed back down a bit when they buffed Tiger I’s armor. That would balance it out to an extent. Hopefully.
hollow notch
The tiger did not need a buff. It was a perfectly functional heavium
solid gate
Eh I disagree with it being a heavium though. It wasn’t in real life so why should it be in game?
hollow notch
drop it to tier 6 then
solid gate
Then remove the VK 36 I guess because that would make a problem if you had both at tier 6.
hollow notch
Same with the tiger 2, weaken the gun and mobility and dump it in tier 7
solid gate
It doesn’t fit at T7
Also Tiger II would then have to be nerfed and moved to tier 7.
Tiger 2 is far too strong to stand alone at T7
hollow notch
It would though, it would literally be the same thing as a nameless
solid gate
@solid gate You’re thinking in it’s current state.
rotund palm
Yo guys Should i research IS 4 or IS 7?
hollow notch
Is4
rotund palm
Researched IS 4 but need 1 Mil more creds
hollow notch
It would then be a proper heavy
raven valley
Tiger 1 gun op
solid gate
Well Tiger II real life did have 150mm of glacis armor angled at 50 degrees.
broken parcel
T-34-1 is amazing for tier seven
solid gate
We might could have had VK 45.03 in between but Wargaming put that as premium tank.
sage hare
The Sheridan not fair that she the only light tank in game the HE shell can't penetrate it even with fv Hesh 💀
solid gate
Eh just use AP.
fading ginkgo
@broken parcel no Su-152 is amazing for tier Vii
Btw Panther 1 is more better than T-34-1
sage hare
Use AP imagine u with fcking fv tank destroyer and Sheridan come with 1100 hp and loading heah and shot it in middle of side and get only 350 damge just no comment
fading ginkgo
Everyone hate the sheridan
sage hare
It's unsense
fading ginkgo
That's why I love BC-25T instead of Sheridan
Btw I heard sheridan is gonna nerfed again
sage hare
I hope just nerf the fcking armor
Because it's completely unsense
A tank with 240 hesh penetrate mm vs 25 armor and the hesh splash give 300 damage 💀
onyx venture
When is this tank going to be released🙃
sage hare
Go say this in mems part @onyx venture
onyx venture
Bruh
fading ginkgo
@onyx venture fix ur grammar pls
sage hare
XD
onyx venture
What did I say that was wrong
fading ginkgo
When is this tank going to be released🙃
@onyx venture
The correct sentence is "when will this tank gonna be released"
sage hare
Man don't focus in this shit things about grammar
fading ginkgo
I just follow what my teacher say dude
onyx venture
Grammar is not a big deal when typing online, unless I am typing some type of scholarly essay then it does not matter. It only matters when it changes the meaning and understanding of the sentence
sage hare
Sry this discord not school xD
solid gate
imagine caring about grammar lmao
fading ginkgo
Okay btw BC-25T or sheridan? Which one should I get?
solid gate
yea lets be "professional" on a discord meant for video games
@fading ginkgo bat chat, sheridan not OP
sage hare
If they won't nerf Sheridan Take Sheridan
fading ginkgo
Okay I'll grind my AMX 13 90 @solid gate
solid gate
sheridan in the hands of the average player isnt OP
fading ginkgo
Am I looked like an average player?
solid gate
yes
sage hare
Sheridan not op¿????????
fading ginkgo
Yep, Look at it's DPM
solid gate
no people just think its OP because it can fire behind cover
but at tier X the sheridan literally gets beat by every med
sage hare
What about armor @solid gate
fading ginkgo
Sheridan's Armor? It's paper
solid gate
honestly people use AP on the sheridan because it is HE invinible
sage hare
Try shot that paper armor with HE
solid gate
a leo can literally destroy a sheridan
fading ginkgo
A BC can out DPM sheridan
solid gate
i would get the sheridan because it has a nice gimmick
fading ginkgo
a sheridan can rekt a sheridan
solid gate
but besides that, i would go for the BC or just wait for the new british lights
fading ginkgo
I'll go for BC
sage hare
Just tell me a tank with 25 mm armor and I can't penetrate it with HE shell and u say it not op
solid gate
it has spaced armor
fading ginkgo
@sage hare my Jageroo usually can HE it
solid gate
people fail to realise you can pen it with HE on the turret
solid gate
no its just like 2 25mm plates spaced apart
and since it is spaced it can block HE rounds
solid gate
literally everything that the sheridan goes against can tear it apart
sage hare
K read this
solid gate
95 mm can still be penned because its not spaced
sage hare
Try use fv death star the Hesh shell with 240 penetrate mm vs 25 armor the result no penetrate 💀💀💀
And it not op 💀
solid gate
it will do splash damage, thats why its HESH
sage hare
Man it's 240 mm pen
It means the shell can pentrate the tank and cross other side lol
All I want say nerf the Sheridan armor pls it's unsense the he shell can't pentrate it at all
solid gate
I got the advantage over you HE users because I think HE is useless for the most part so I don’t use it. Sheridan vs AP is not going to go well for Sheridan.
@sage hare It’s pronounced NONsense.
Also Sheridan having spaced armor is not unrealistic. It had a sort of foam spaced armor irl.
fading ginkgo
Anyone know about Indonesia's Pindad Harimau Hitam?
It's almost same to Leo1 but it's equipped with a Stronk hull
I want it on blitz :3
woven reef
hola
fast compass
Wait people still shoot HE at the hull of a Sheridan?
slender cliff
facepalms till forehead caves in
indigo cargo
Rip
Do u think Swedish TDs/ HTs, Polish HTs should be added into the game
Especially Strv 103 B
Swedish meds and stuff
fast compass
Last time devs talked about it, Swedish tds won't make it to blitz. So no strv103b :(
There is some polish heavy in the works, probably just a premium
indigo cargo
Yes it’s a tier 9 premium, the 50TP Pr.
Btw do u know why Swedish TDs aren’t cut out for Blitz pls? Their accurate guns could make up for their 2s mode change
solid gate
Because Blitz Devs think they cannot implement siege mode or anything like that in Blitz. Too complicated for a mobile game I guess. @indigo cargo
They literally can’t because the suspension mechanics as of now do not permit the adjustment the Strv 103b needs
candid harbor
Is this fair?
solid gate
yea thats how they are supposed to work
candid harbor
@solid gate so if you are going to get hit like this, would you consider it fair?
solid gate
as an american main, its pretty easy to counter stuff in that scenario. especially if the t92e1 is surrounded by meds and another t92e1.
the m46 and the cent can tear the t92e1 apart easily
candid harbor
@solid gate you are agreeing with rocket being easy to dodge in those scenarios or you are talking about rushing and out dpm the rocket tank?
solid gate
no i am not saying its easy to "dodge" but i am saying most scenarios in which i dealt with ATGMs, their long reload and trash DPM and the fact that they meet with meds when scouting 75% of the time makes it pretty easy to counter
ATGMs literally cant pen the front of tier X american heavies or TDs, so what matters is keeping yourself hull down so the chance of the enemy getting a side shot is close to none
candid harbor
@solid gate ok
Is it possible to dodge rockets in mobile tanks?
At the moment rockets do 165kmph
solid gate
since most ATGM users have average aim, yea
candid harbor
@solid gate any comments on IS7 clip? What would have you done in that situation or would you have even put yourself in that situation in the first place?
solid gate
IS7 = not good for open areas in general, and the t92e1 shooting at that IS7 is screwed
candid harbor
Thanks for answering :3
solid gate
russian heavies in general are easy to counter, just go diagonal to the pike nose or just use pramo
modern solstice
Or just shoot a missile into the sky and loop it around into their rear
candid harbor
@modern solstice that is ha rder than said
hollow belfry
@broken sentinel uhm fv215b 183 with calibrated shells has 244 mm pen :P
broken sentinel
@hollow belfry ah my bad, i'll delete my comment then
spice ivy
its hard to counter a russian heavy when the only thing poking out is their turret which is night impregnable and bright red regardless of ammo type
this problem mostly persists with the IS class
hollow belfry
@sage hare hope you'll understand this but high explosive rounds, including hesh, detonate on the first plate of armor they touch. Thing with spaced armor is there's two or more plates with some air in between them. The he(sh) shell will detonate on the outer plate, and it will just be some splash damage reaching the actual hull of the tank.
candid harbor
@spice ivy their cheeks are generally pretty weak
spice ivy
yeah but the rounded turreted IS tanks are a whole new story altogether, especially when they're facing directly at me
like, how am i supposed to counter them as a TD main?
splash HE, perhaps?
candid harbor
with tds you have enough penetration to go through turrent, wut tier are we discussing here?
spice ivy
Tier VII-VIII (possibly IX since i also play the JP II at times)
hollow belfry
If youre an armored td you can bounce of their shots and put one in once theyre reloading. If not you have the camo and long range game advantage, meaning theyll have to come to you instead of the other way around.
Is tanks are easily out dpm'ed and they have an inaccurate gun so they shouldnt be too much of a problem. :)
spice ivy
As a JP main, i usually have confidence with the troll armor courtesy of the latest buff and simply face hug the heavies whenever i see one out in the open, the problem here is that sometimes they aren't alone but instead are backed up with the rest of the team, lights, meds, other heavies, and TDs
hollow belfry
Not talking about the tier x's btw lol.
Uhm you should only face hug in jp when youre absolutely sure theyre alone. Long range game if you arent :)
Tds arent meant to spot and rush etc, let the meds do the spotting for you and put some nice shots in yourself.
spice ivy
i position myself in the frontlines most of the time, it works for the most part up until you find yourself in long ranged engagements where-in both sides are just tryna pick off at each other's hp
i guess i need to rethink my strategy
But yeah, its usually in these scenarios where i struggle to deal damage at the heavies
since they usually sidescrape
hollow belfry
Then just focus at another target ;)
Only focussing them takes away a lot of potential damage from you on other tanks mate. You can also simply reposition to be able to pen them. Depends on the situation eh :)
spice ivy
Aight thanks
hollow belfry
« TD’s arent meant to spot and rush » @hollow belfry
It depends on the TD you use. You won’t rush in an ISU because the armor is pretty weak and it isn’t fast neither.
But not playing aggressively in a JP means wasting your speed and armor
I basically play it as an unturreted aggressive medium with a high alpha, wich works fine
solid gate
what's your verdict of the premium VK 45 at tier 7?
hollow belfry
A worse Tiger I @solid gate
Stock Tiger II turret (wich means you don’t have spaced armor covering most of the turret front unlike the Tiger I and P), lower top speed. Hull armor is worse
solid gate
what about tiger 131? I’m considering all my axis premium options, currently thinking Lowe or e25, whichever comes first.
feral basin
Anyone know what the JagdTiger armor buff would be ? All the JagdTiger armor ? Or only front ? Or sides ?
hollow belfry
@hollow belfry true mate but you should try to conserve hp for late battle when you might need to carry. Rushing can work out very well ofc but theres plenty of situations in which there will suddenly pop up some high alpha dmg tank firing heat at you, taking half your hp away.
I do have to admit that ive never played the jp after its buff. Before buff it had shet armor thus that was how i played it. :)
mortal gulch
How much is the IS-5?
rotund palm
1500 gold
mortal gulch
Oh dayum, that's a steal.
rotund palm
WG stole my 1500 goldzzz
But it's worth it anyways
The only tank i use t farm creds with
mortal gulch
I better get my Personal Access to Tier X.
rotund palm
Should i use IS 5 or Enriched T49?
solid gate
what does enrich mean?
strange thicket
@mortal gulch 1500 for a t8 premium
And a steal? What are you thinking?
mortal gulch
What? Ain't 1500 cheap for a Tier VIII premium.
gaunt forge
Hi guys I am new to the dicord channel, I am looking for some answers about the tanks that were removed from the tech tree a couple updates ago, I am a huge collector was just wondering if there is anyway to get them?
strange thicket
WG sometimes sells some and give out some
mortal gulch
What he said.
strange thicket
@mortal gulch oh your comment doesn't imply that but rather implies that it is not worth it
My bad fam
mortal gulch
It's fine.
queen terrace
As the missile tanks are still being kept in the battles firing missiles (which is still unfair on older tanks) WG should make every tank have an anti-missile system or reactive armour which can be deployed if a missile is fired at it! That would even things up a bit!
Either that or they shouldn’t be in a competitive game against WW2 era tanks, it’s just unsporting!
candid harbor
@queen terrace few tier 7s and above are all post ww2 tanks
rotund palm
Why do i keep encountering the same Sheridan in Tier X
And if he's the only one left he says
Nooooooooo
I'm the only last one left with a rocket that goes Kahaha-ha Boom
solid gate
guys when will the E75 TS Eagle sale end?
rotund palm
Idk
solid gate
@ me when u guys know pls
tulip sail
@solid gate you can check in game itll show if you tap the deal for details
storm grail
hushed shadow
Check in the store it might be mentioned there
modern flint
If I’m in a tank destroyer does the “trained in medium tanks” skills also applies to my tank destroyer in I’m driving one
hollow belfry
Mastered skills apply to all types of tanks. As it says, you only train a skill in a particular type of tank
elfin orbit
All skilles learned are used, only class specific skills are trained respectively
wild gulch
Whats the best equipment loadout for AMX AC 46?
tame jungle
Another update, another stat collection and once again ferdinand gang 💪 stay beasting on jp 2 🤢
“B-but jp mobility” too bad sonic the armor wins again 😎
solid gate
I still think the Ferdinand should get more armor to make it even better. JP II is harder to play though despite the better mobility.
tawdry horizon
I’ve opened about idk 200p medium containers and huge containers and only gotten one tank out of them why are the chances of tanks so low?
strange thicket
@tame jungle what armor you exactly talking about you are almost penned by anthing and you are an easy flank lol
tame jungle
Oh Yknow the 200 mm right on the front, and don’t forget jp 2 is even weaker with armor
strange thicket
yeah it is over matched by almost everything
tame jungle
Tier seven struggles, tier 8 maybe tier 9 no problem
But that poor jp, tier 7 ez, tier 8 ez, tier 9 ez
strange thicket
jp is quite mobile you can relocate and also counter flanks unlike fred
and both play styles are really different tbh if i went back in time i would pick fred for 1 reason which is get used to jagdtiger playstyle other than that fred has really nothing over jp other than armor which is alot of flat angles too
so you either pick mobility or armor
tame jungle
Y’all keep talking about this mobility, but all it does is let you get noob scoped by a T49 with he in your rear even quicker
strange thicket
yeah same for fred except you can't counter attack lmfao
solid gate
I mean Ferdinand is more noob friendly
strange thicket
that too
also a t49 if you tilt your hull a bit good luck with getting any shots
broken sentinel
@storm grail just buy a Lowe. It costs 60% of the E75TS's price (7500 gold vs 12500) for a tank that's more or less the same. The Lowe also looks better in my opinion and makes more credits.
I'm also assuming that you're rerolling your accont. I recommend not doing that and just sticking to your main account.
If you're not rerolling and you're actually new to the game, I recommend learning how to play before buying something like that.
thick trout
@tame jungle Ah yes that paper armour that only needs a small hill to get to well over 300mm, not forgetting the better gun too as well as the mobility
No matter where you put the ferd you will always have huge areas that can't get over 220mm, the JP can actually use positions well and bounce things other than tier 7s
tulip sail
@storm grail it's in the top corner of your screenshot
gaunt forge
Hi Wargaming not sure if you will read this but there is not an email adress I could contact. I am messaging in regards of the tech tree tank WG removed in Update 5.5, I am a very serious collector and would like to know how to receive these tanks again because I began playing after update 5.5.
Thank you
thick trout
@gaunt forge There's no way to get them unless you owned them before 5.5 and I suggest getting out of that collector mindset before you end up with an empty wallet
gaunt forge
Money is not the problem XD
Surely there must be a way to get them again.
tulip sail
Wait till they give or sell them
solid gate
thanks
solid gate
I’ll take Ferdinand over JP II because while the armor is flat it is better. Also 2 more degrees of gun depression makes it feel a tiny bit more flexible around hilly terrain to me.
tame jungle
^
broken sentinel
The JPanther II is much more flexible as it's basically a medium with a TD gun and no turret. The Ferdinand is much more durable as it's basically a heavy without a turret and a TD gun.
Both have their positives and both have their negatives. I personally like the JP2 because of how flexible it is, but that doesnt make the Ferdinand unviable.
solid gate
Actually JP II’s biggest problem for me besides lack of armor is low HP for such a huge vehicle.
Of course TDs in general have low HP. But tier 8 TDs (except ISU) really don’t punch that far above the heavies if at all. When it comes to the average damage that is. Like T28 and T28 Prototype are one par with T34 and IS tanks. I think VK 100 has same alpha as the JP II and Ferdinand yet it has a turret. Certain heavies can dish out the same damage as these TDs which almost renders the lower alpha TDs moot. They would be if it weren’t for 100/105mm tier 8 heavies.
kind summit
plucky stratus
The entire french light line is pretty much obsolete compared to the american light line
The american light line needs a reload time nerf cuz right now they are just tds with movement speed
solid gate
French lights have some serious issues. ELC cannot aim on the move easily because it’s turret is like a T28 Prot turret (won’t turn all the way around). 13 75 has crap depression and elevation angles. I don’t know about 12t. 13 90 sounds like it’s underperforming according to some.
plucky stratus
13 90 is not very good because the dpm is absolute trash
solid gate
I know people want something unique but the American lights are too far in left field.
plucky stratus
I think the current missiles (the special thing about american lights) are just fine its just the dpm
solid gate
T49 was annoying enough then they add tanks with missiles and APCR that does same damage as T49 HEAT shells.
plucky stratus
Yeah exactly
solid gate
Honestly they could make the guns like the T49 gun and give us 105mm guns for those who don’t want to play with derp. The T92E1 already has a 105mm but not sure about it. Looks funkier than the missile gun and kinda small.
I wonder if they could nerf the Sheridan spaced armor? I mean the thing legitimately had a form of spaced armor irl so I don’t see why it shouldn’t in game? What? Just because people who are used to hitting lights with HE or HESH cannot pen it? You guys just gotta learn to break your usual anti light tank thinking when dealing with Sheridan.
broken parcel
buff the Wz-121s reload again u wont
broken sentinel
That's right, they won't; it's already extremely good as it is @broken parcel
swift lava
Can someone plz explain why my IS-7 can’t pen with AP or APCR that top plate?
grand linden
because its the top plate of an e75?
tulip sail
It doesn't seem to have enough pen bit that might just be a miss observation
swift lava
@grand linden that looks nothing like an E75 XD
swift lava
its ok
grand linden
either ways that top plate has about 300mm of armor
so you wont be able to pen it anyways thats the point of an upper plate
swift lava
~>
grand linden
i mean if you could pen the upper plate of a super heavy then there is really no point of the upper plate
solid gate
Do you not know how strong that frontal plate is
Panther -tiger 2 use the same strat in angled plate like that and they produce extreme numbers
swift lava
So like no tanks can get through that plate?
solid gate
It’s possible to pen the plate if the tank is at a downwards slope otherwise it’s almost impenetrable head on
swift lava
I see
broken sentinel
@swift lava Angling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFktFSJZPsQ
candid harbor
@swift lava it is about 303 to 310 mm relatively thick head on
@solid gate tiger 2 gets 236mm of top frontal armour head on, not extreme unlike the Chrysler
spice ivy
Is it possible to play the Jgtiger like the Jpanther?
Grinding for it rn, and it seems to have the armor to allow for confident facehugging
candid harbor
@spice ivy no, not at the moment but maybe after upcoming armour buff
you can be very strong in hull down position but some heat firing guns can easily go through your upper structure
solid gate
Oh boy not at all
spice ivy
So im still reduced to a support firing role eh?
candid harbor
yos
spice ivy
What are its odds of surviving a 1v1
candid harbor
depends on what you are fighting
same tier and lower tier heavies, ez win
slow lower tier meds ez win
slow lower tier tds ez win
anything else is not so ez win but all of this depends whom you are fighting
spice ivy
so basically, anything that can circle around you with ease are nigh instantaneous losses?
candid harbor
yes
spice ivy
guess i just need to keep my derriere stuck to a solid wall when it comes to it
what do you think of the top gun? is it worth grinding first?
candid harbor
even better
never leave the spawn
get track and engine first then gun
or free xp gun first then tracks and engine
spice ivy
aight thx
candid harbor
spawn one was joke
wait.....
candid harbor
@hollow notch jpanther 2 or Ferdinand gun is ok in terms of stock grind
spice ivy
i used the "dpm" gun when grinding for the jpanther II's top gun, and it was alright
hollow notch
The top gun in the jagtiger is significantly better that the stock
candid harbor
@hollow notch dat iz y it is top gun
hollow notch
Why would you want tracks and engine first then?
spice ivy
prolly for mobility to catch up and reposition
spice ivy
@candid harbor hope im not being rude, but i recall reading your debates in the light tanks debate channel and i gotta say, i agree with you that the ATGMs arent really as broken as people make them up to be, my gripe with these tanks is less on their missiles and more on their standard shell alpha damage, every time i get dealt with 700+ by some flanking T49 i just lose it
candid harbor
@spice ivy nah you are not rude
I don't like few possible things can be done with this mechanics but I like it for being new thing
spice ivy
out of all the games that i played so far that had these missile tanks, i only encountered 1 that used their missiles
what're yer thoughts on the heavy tank hp changes?
candid harbor
l support it
hehe boi ez 6k games
except for is 4