Both but heavies are easier to play and more Op right now @solid gate
#vehicles-discussion
barren heath
solid gate
Ok
solid trench
Sheridan and T92E1 are better, can play as lights, meds, trade with heavies or camp like TD,s
They are nerfing alot the Leopard tier 5...it cant pen any heavy at tier 5, not even the ass on most...not to mention tier 6
hushed shadow
Why play tier 5 anymore when you can do tier 10
modern vine
For the T-44 is it worth it to get the 122mm or upgraded 100mm guns or just stick with the regular 100mm?
hushed shadow
122 isnt a very good gun. It’s better to just get the 100mm guns
modern vine
Is it worth to get the upgraded 100mm though or should I just save the xp for T-54?
hushed shadow
I think it’s better, or else you’ll have to grind out the gun in the T54 which is much worse because you’ll be up against tier 10s too and you need as much as you can get
solid gate
what's a good premium that will last till end game for about 5k gold when on sale? my ad watching is about to pay off 🙂
elfin orbit
If you're comfortable with French tanks get the revalorise
Everything except kv5 is okay, actually
solid gate
oh ok. I'm thinking about an axis tank
elfin orbit
Like any prem? Not just on sale right now?
solid gate
yea
exotic glade
For someone new to the game ish what line would you say is best to grind first
elfin orbit
The soviet meds
solid gate
I'm patient - I took me 2 years of continuously ad watching for gold lol
barren heath
The maps on blitz are a tad too small to make it very effective
elfin orbit
5k gold range would be arnd t7
Much respect to e25 players with 60+ wr
Technically not axis, but the type 62 is a great tank, sold for 5.5k recently. Have a good look at it sometime, will teach you light tank gameplay
I bought mine for 8.5k and i dont regret it, this thing's a meme with 275 heat pen on cs
hoary verge
I LOVE this!
fringe mulch
Congrats
zinc marlin
$100+ for action X unless you get lucky
spice ivy
Ferdinand or Jpanther II?
azure hemlock
How do you even get an action X
solid gate
I had Ferdi and for my opinion this TD is super good
violet stream
@crisp gust, it doesn't need a buff. It's still OP and cheap for the fact that you can hit targets from behind cover.
crisp gust
@violet stream Yeah but aiming with rockets on phone is not easy like on PC
violet stream
I've gotten wreaked by mobile players using the Sheridan, and they seem to have better aim than PC players. My point still stands.
zinc marlin
@spice ivy crates. Need 25 charms to get it and its 1 charm per crate or get lucky and get it. Drop chance is 5%
spice ivy
wrong dude
zinc marlin
solid gate
@spice ivy Ferdinand is better than JP II. JP II has speed but it doesn’t have armor, gun depression, or hit points.
The heck is this Vickers Cruiser? Really Wargaming? Also the FV301 is not a suitable tier 8 in my honest opinion.
warm hound
Action X in crates, will wait to get it for gold!!!! WG you will able to mesure how many idiots playing wtb by how many buy crates !!!!
spice ivy
i just so happen to have enough xp on my Jadgpanther to get the Ferdinand after researching the JP II
Is its gun depression really that good for its tier?
Or rather for a tank of its type?
violet stream
The Germans shake in fear.
Russian tanks are easy to learn and all around (using this lightly) decent.
shell thunder
I mean....Germany has some solid vehicles.
rocky garden
The offer says that with 25 charms you get a tank. Does that mean the Action x or just any tank?
shell thunder
- cough cough * Panzer IV or IV D and Panzer III * cough cough *
wait no, Panzer III is literally a meme
as you can literally ram someone and do fat damage just by popping the speed boost on an already speedy tank.
busted track? BOOM. repair.
violet stream
eyes LTTB
solid gate
@spice ivy The Ferdi is actually more capable of bounces despite the flat armor and has 2 more degrees of gun depression.
I tracked an LTTB while playing T28 Prototype.
warm hound
Dont buy crates!!!
solid gate
Well those who don’t normally buy crates might get the 2 for 1 bundle and that’s it.
At least the YouTubers who always review the tanks say they might get the cheap 2 for 1 bundle and that’s it. I have done the same since I stupidly bought a ton of AMX 30B and Badger crates and didn’t get those. Then they eventually came for money or gold. Should have waited instead of wasting money. Not sure if I wasted money on a third bunch of crates or not but yeah. Don’t buy crates man. Bad idea.
shell thunder
ayy lmao people buy crates? Bundles I get, as you know what you´re buying....crates? you could blow like 5k gold or silver on em and get a bunch of crates that give nothing but cosmetics or useless avatars.
solid gate
@shell thunder Well I’ve wisened up about crates. Now the Christmas events I might spend some degree on but even that I am not going to spend hundreds upon hundreds on. The VK 90 event was stupid on how much money you had to spend to get it. Same with T-22 when it first came out.
shell thunder
I mean...I forget which one it was, but I saw crates to get the T29 or the T30 at one point..alongside that there was a bundle for either of ´em at the time as well. abit pricier than the crates but at least I knew I was gonna get what I wanted.
solid gate
Oh wait I have still been dumb about the crates bunches that give you 1 crate for each tank or set of tanks. But except for like T-22 and 1 other I wasn’t aiming to get the tanks as I already had them. Surprisingly I did want whatever boosters, credits, or anything else (except avatars) I could get out of them. But probably aught to stop buying those too.
rancid shale
Is-2 gang
obsidian maple
Vickers cruiser looks like a nock off m41 bulldog or t49
solid gate
Which Heavy Line is better ? E100 or IS and KV
tame jungle
E100
drifting vapor
When the Italian heavy line?
calm inlet
@solid gate E100 line is seriously good now but the E 100’s turret armor can be a letdown. that said, its got a massive gun so that’s cool
IS-4 is a another good line though
@drifting vapor Italian heavies don’t even exist on PC, you may be waiting a while
drifting vapor
@calm inlet wg announcement italian HT and japanese td in moscow on december 2019 for 2020
For pc
viral lodge
Considering there are older lines on PC that blitz doesnt have we prob wont get any soon
calm inlet
again, you may be waiting for a while
wise moth
inb4 PC copies the crappy Blitz Japanese TDs
solid gate
the loot boxes with RNG are starting to be annoying. Its like going to buy bread but there is a 5% chance to buy bread.
theM4/FL10 is insane
viral lodge
FL10 is decent.
tulip sail
It's more like going to a slot machine with a 5% chance to win
hollow moth
I think FL10 have a horrible gun depression
You can't do anything in a tall tank with only 6 degrees of gun depression
How Egyptian troops worked with this tank in desert dunes? -6 GD is just very bad for a tall tank
It's like Russian heavy tanks, but at least they aren't so tall
wise moth
@hollow moth Real life tank battlefields tend to be very flat.
hollow moth
No dunes?
wise moth
hollow moth
Bruh
hollow moth
I thought during 6 day war there was a lot of dunes
hardy bear
I feel like the ho-Ro would be a great addition
wise moth
Real life dunes/ridges are extremely shallow. Important nonetheless, but still very gentle/shallow
This for example is Ruweisat ridge, one of the most strategically important positions during the battle of el Alamein
low elk
well
unless its a chinese training field
where they give you impossible places for a tank to go to supposedly "train"
wise moth
Literally one of the most elevated positions in that patch of desert, and that's how steep/tall it is.
quick ore
Tiger P sucks.
Change my mind.
tulip sail
Using any media to base your expectations of anything usually leads to being wrong
solid gate
Also iirc the 6 day war the more versatile Sherman’s were used along with the shot Kal also that’s why Soviets designed their tanks to be completely hull down for flat ridge fighting
solid gate
@quick ore It doesn’t suck. Especially against the newbies and “noobs.”
Apparently Israel made a mistake and blew up a US ship sent to monitor the situation which didn’t sit well with at least the government back then. Also as they pushed into Syria the Russians were then threatening to get involved. Because of these 2 things negotiations were opened up and the war ended. Hence why it became the 6 day war. It would have been longer had these things not happened and diplomacy took over. At least that’s what I heard from a YouTube channel that did some research into it I’m sure.
hollow moth
In the battles the -6 degrees don't hurt so much, the game maps are very flat in some areas but when I'm defending a ridge for exemple, the tank don't fits so much
Mostly because the penetration and the GD
The tank don't use to make so much credits but the playstyle is actually funny
regal aspen
Hellcat or Jackson
solid gate
I say Jackson. Hellcat is even less forgiving for mistakes than Jackson is.
onyx venture
The Hellcat is really fun to play
regal aspen
Think I’m going down too many lines any one Recommended
stark spear
if i could get one premium tank which one should i get?
viral lodge
Do you mean out of the tier 8s being sold?
stark spear
yes
viral lodge
Rev is great, T34 is good but highly situational
KV-5 is less situational
Rev is the best one but it can be harder to play since lack of armour.
stark spear
sounds good, thanks in the input
viral lodge
👍
plain pelican
Does anyone have an idea when the wz 120 1g ft would be on sale again ?
low elk
its coming as a crate the exact same as the Action X
solid gate
Rev does have some degree of turret armor but it’s not super reliable. Still it’s good for hull down positions yet more flexible than T34.
@low elk Uh that thing has never been in crates. It’s always been for money. 50 dollars or so.
low elk
@solid gate in game files theres WZ1201GFT crate with a 5% drop chance
So we gonna be dealing with it soon
solid gate
Pfft. As far as I remember it was only sold twice and for 50 dollars. Of course it could have been in crates once before that but really it’s for a high price.
low elk
the crates are new
solid gate
Well I already got it so I don’t have to worry about those dumb crates. However, they overprice it and would totally put it in crates because it’s a little too strong. OP even.
low elk
good for you and me
i dont want WZ nor do i want to see WZ
solid gate
I haven’t played it in a while. Too busy grinding tech tree tanks. Wrapping up tier 7 and getting back into tier 8 with them.
low elk
ive never gotten destroyed by a WZ
but my team sure has gotten destroyed by it
solid gate
I once bounced an enemy one while driving mine but my shot went through. Was funny.
solid gate
Which Non-Premium Tank is the best Credit Maker at tier 6 ? Seems like, it will take forever to grind 1.3M with my VK 36 H
low elk
teir 6?
not a lot
just get prem time
and VK36 is good so you dont have to worry
ill check
@solid gate these are all the ones, Chaffe would theoretically earn the most cuz it has lowest repair and highest coefficient
solid gate
Wait the ARL goes up to 169% with enrichment? Wow!
Also not sure why the Caernarvon Action X camos automatically come with a spotlight. I know legendary camos are likely a remodel of the tank instead of a thin layer of paint over the base model unlike the rare and common camos. Still the spotlight seems like it would be an attachment not a part of the camo. Still I decided that Morpho looks better to me personally.
@low elk Oh and what site is that from?
solid gate
Looks like JPanther is getting a little weakness on the front plate to the left of the gun. The side behind the tracks is getting more armor though. This is according to Blitz Hangar for 6.9 update.
umbral jungle
Fcm50t seems great so far
regal aspen
regal aspen
Where do I focus
torpid oak
Is that action x tank any good? I bought one crate for fun and got the tank lol
raven jacinth
regal aspen
Thanks
solid gate
Wich tank?
halcyon thunder
probably jg pz 4
neat nimbus
OK I need to know something which of defenders is better for pushing and less punishing
calm inlet
@neat nimbus what exactly is your question?
neat nimbus
Which defender is better for pushing in enemy front lines
solid gate
I have both
neat nimbus
I want one Won't punish you much
solid gate
I personally enjoyed both, so should you. Anyway, Stig is fun
oops *stug
I was wondering if there are alternative good axis premiums other than the e25 in the 5k gold range? I enjoy all playstyles - I just want a fun tank, not a credit grinder
neat nimbus
So if you go to inspector WoT you can see some recently added tanks don't have internal crew or modules however tanks like helsing can catch in fire
valid lodge
What tanks?
neat nimbus
Meaning if you are lucky you could do twice if you precision is good
Hybrid nation tanks and some op premium tank are not tree tech
nova monolith
Blitz need it
elfin orbit
Im pretty sure axis is locked to german tho, its impossible to get the jap prems, not without a lot of money anyway
Spaghetto 46 sells for more than 5k
civic terrace
@solid gatevk depend in which td are you more interested in the rest of the lines
solid gate
@civic terrace ok
civic terrace
If you like big guns go for the nashorn or if you prefer good dpm go for the jp4 line
hollow moth
@umbral jungle and it is, this tank can sidescrape because of 80mm armor at sides, the frontal armor sometimes can make nonsense bounces (rng be like), this cannon have a great aim too but it's not that fast
Also there is two cool details of the tank
It have 50 tons, can run in 50km/h and have 120mm frontal armor
(It means you can ram an IS-3 and make more damage)
The other cool thing is: the tank actually is a heavy tank, in WOT it have the HT symbol
sturdy bane
armor thickness influences ram damage? i thought only speed and weight
hollow moth
Armor thickness influence too @sturdy bane
sturdy bane
o
hollow moth
That's why you make more damage when ramming a tank by it side than by the front
Mostly when you are ramming a heavy tank
Make this test with an IS-3 and a FCM 50 t in a room
Let the FCM ram the sides and the front of the IS-3 and probably you'll see a good difference
modern vine
Is it worth it to get the upgraded 122mm for the IS or should I just save the xp for IS-3?
rotund palm
Is E100 worth grinding for?
thick trout
@modern vine Definitely get the gun on the IS and that's one less gun you have to research on the IS3 which is painful enough to grind already.
rotund palm
Also should i research Maus or E100?
hard lagoon
Maus if you are very good at angling
solid gate
@nova monolith What is that thing you showed?
nova monolith
T 34 122 @solid gate
solid gate
@hollow moth I rammed an IS-3 up the rear with Tiger II 2 times in a recent battle. Was having trouble shooting that rear for some reason.
@nova monolith Really? That’s crazy.
solid gate
T-34-100 is a Czech tank if I remember correctly.
solid gate
Gun is best to get. You get more pen and alpha. Though the tank is going to be very slow until you get the crew up and get top tracks and engine.
nova monolith
That's egiptian tank @solid gate
solid gate
@nova monolith The heck you talking about?
nova monolith
There is a Cheh t34 100 and Egyptian t34 100, t34 120
solid gate
Ok then. Wait the Egyptians had T-34-100 and a T-34-120?
nova monolith
Maybe
T34 100 & t34 120 were actually self-propelled guns.
And Chech t34 100 was a medium
heavy iris
T 34
solid gate
Tips on playing the JPanther II?
@nova monolith Oh, I see. Were the Egyptian SPG ones like a Waffenträger or a casemate design like the SU-152?
hollow moth
We already have one Egyptian tank (M4/FL10), why not other?
Oooooops there is a reason
tulip sail
What would that be?
tulip sail
That wont stop wg
low elk
we need Samsung tanks in blitz
self destructs and does team damage while setting on fire and exloding
hollow moth
A good time ago the ISU-152 on WOT lost the BL-10 gun, it was replaced by other gun with lower pen and lower damage but better aim and faster shot
So now they add ISU-152K, same ISU-152 stats but with the BL-10
WG deleted it because was OP, and now add as premium in WOT
It's possible things like this come to blitz
What do you think about this guys?
kindred egret
when are they going to delete kv2 and leopard
weary inlet
The leopard needs a serious nerf
hollow moth
Leopard 1? Nope, it's balanced
regal aspen
I pick the Wolverine over the sharman mad ideas?
solid gate
@hollow moth it’s balanced as of now but next update it’s gonna get phased out hard
real pulsar
The fast acurate tank destroyer the udes 03 needs to be added to blitz
And they need to add a Swedish line anyway
kindred egret
at least leopard isnt so overperforming against t6. kv2 needs a serious nerf because it overperform even in t7 because of that t7 TD damage
solid gate
@real pulsar Give up that dream because they won’t. Too complicated they say.
hollow moth
@real pulsar were you talking about the tier 5 Leopard?
Bruh this little piece of nothing is easy to kill
solid gate
They are nerfing Little Leopard’s AP pen from 95 to 80mm.
@real pulsar They can add a Swedish line btw. Light tanks or mediums. Heck heavies even from tiers 8-10.
solid gate
@crystal hare Yes. It was on Blitz Hangar or somewhere like that.
crystal hare
Ok
kindred egret
so they are going to nerf the leopard but not all the sealclub kv2s?
solid gate
@real pulsar Ok 👌
regal aspen
?
spice ivy
That udes looks really adorable ngl
spice ivy
All fun and games until it comes across a whole squad of the buggers
solid gate
There are 2 kinds of UDES though. The non-turreted TD type ones and the turreted light tanks.
solid gate
I know that! I was just stating a fact randomly.
real pulsar
Ok then
solid gate
UDES 15/16 is a light tank of sorts.
solid gate
There was also a UDES 14 in variants which lead up to the UDES 15/16 thing. Several UDES light tanks realistically.
real pulsar
Ya
sullen lichen
Challenger 3 🍵
real pulsar
No stop that
solid gate
@sullen lichen don’t and won’t exist for quite sometime
ZTQ-15 (aka Type 15):
@sullen lichen Yeah they won’t be doing a Challenger 3 anytime soon. Challenger 2 is probably enough.
Though what are they doing with Challenger 1 nowadays?
@solid gate the UK doesn’t use the chally 1 at all anymore it’s used by some other countries though
I see. So they only use Challenger 2 as I suspected or is there another tank they might still use for something?
Also any other guns in game Wargaming altered? Because they turned the T208 gun on T95/Chieftain hybrid tank into a rifled gun when in reality it was a smoothbore gun.
@solid gate nah atm they only use challenger 2
@solid gate Ah, ok. Thanks for confirming. Now do you know about that other question I asked? I’m surprised I didn’t look into that kind of thing. Wargaming clearly takes liberties here and there.
@solid gate the kpzs gun was smoothbore iirc since it fired APFSDS
solid gate
Anyone have a preference between the T62 and Object 140? I suppose what I'm asking is if theres any real difference in penetration with the T64 or is the reloading speed of the 140 more fitting for a med? I also see that the T62 has higher armor rating but it shows the 140 as having considerably higher side and rear protection. Is there anything that definitively separates the two? Would love to hear anyone's opinion!
T-62 has better depression, I think
Theres a term you dont hear often! I think it has better mobility on ground and road and less chance of engine fire which seems odd because the T64 still has gas cans visible but the 140's are covered.
@solid gate the gas cans on the side of the T62 aren’t really gas cans they are sometimes stowage bins
That makes me feel a little better. I'm not sure what made my mind think they were gas cans in the first place lol but thanks for clearing that up.
fluid parrot
solid gate
how do people get the tiger P reload in 4.9 secs? did it get nerfed? I run rammer, small chocolate, big chocolate and 85% crew. I only get about 7.4 secs
sturdy bane
adrenaline
solid gate
nah it was like it all the way through
sturdy bane
in that case I assume it was pre-4.7, if the video is from before late January 2018
proper slate
Can we get a legendary camo for the SU-100Y
granite dune
That sounds amazing
solid gate
oh that explains it. tiger P is so hard to play
lol I got a six kill game at tier 6 with 766 damage
strange thicket
@solid gate you are literally the best heavy in that tier how is it hard to play
Just use your frontal armor
solid gate
Why? KV-1 should be buffed
spice ivy
Ferd or Jp II?
solid gate
Yeah JP II’s let down is the lack of armor combined with only 6 degrees of gun depression.
spice ivy
Im currently struggling with it rn, any tips?
I often forget im not playing the Jpanther
solid gate
I don’t have any tips. I’d rather play the Ferdi. Which can actually get bounces if put in the right position.
thick trout
Lol the JPII is as bouncy as the ferd and it has much better speed. It's one of the best tier 8 TDs including prems
Thanks for complaining about it though I decided to try it to see if it was fun as I remembered and I aced it first game 🤷♀️
spice ivy
So... Any tips?
thick trout
Run with the meds as much as you can, take hulldown positions but don't rely on your casemates armour against TDs and high pen heavies, it is possible to sidescrape in to bait shots but mainly against meds or noobs who you know you can get to shoot easily. Try and keep moving as much as possible and remember you have alpha to scare most tanks away from a trade as well as a 9 sec reload
spice ivy
Yikes, im still grinding for the full crew skill percent and the gun
Guess im gonna struggle a tad bit before i utilize its full potential
thick trout
Yeah go for the gun as fast as possible and suddenly it will feel much better, idrk what it's like to play with the stock gun but I guess it would be similar
solid gate
Man screw JP II. It’s a piece of trash that needs to be thrown in the dumpster in my honest opinion.
thick trout
It's a better ferd...
solid gate
I’m staring to get bounces from Ferdinand now. Shouldn’t have complained so much and focused on getting the crew level up and well learning where to put it. Still kinda need decent teammates with either tank or you’re screwed. Also no JP II is not better.
Mobility doesn’t save you from being 2, maybe 3, shots away from death. Ferdinand actually has better armor (though mostly flat which is annoying) and more HP.
thick trout
The JPII has useful armour, a better gun and much more speed. The only thing the ferd has is a 200mm upper plate which is still easy to pen for basically everything. 350 more hp doesn't make up for the 1 second worse reload let alone the speed and armour
solid gate
They have the same gun dude.
thick trout
solid gate
Well I’m never touching JP II in battle. If I get it it’ll be to just let it sit and look pretty. It sucks to me.
thick trout
You can do everything the ferd can do easily, except you just have actual speed and a better casemate and better armour
solid gate
Well I do wish Ferdinand got more armor to make it even more useful. But hey ho I’ll take it over JPanther II any day.
thick trout
Why would you take it over the JPII?
solid gate
Because JPanther II mobility doesn’t do anything for me. Only gets me into trouble. Plus that hull down crap is bull. You cannot hull down it and get shots off. Back when I last played them both got to where they ticked me off but JP II ticked me off just a bit more than Ferdinand. The armor on JP II is just trash as is the gun depression. 1 second faster reload and better dpm means nothing if you die. And yeah 350 more HP may not seem like much but that means you can take 1 or 2 more shots vs JP II already being toast. JP II is a joke in my opinion.
thick trout
The ferd has 2° more depression which is useless with its 200mm of armour. 6° is plenty to get off hulldown shots and you can bounce shots all day with the casemate. 350hp is one shot from a lot of guns at tier 8, but that shot has to pen which is much more common against the ferd than the JPII because the ferds armour is useless.
solid gate
I digress to each their own. But as clearly indicated JP II isn’t my preferred German tier 8 TD.
thick trout
For no reason apparently 🤷♀️
solid gate
The Ferdinand has 2 more degrees of gun depression by the way though. 6 vs 8? I’ll take the 8. If JP II had 8 I might would drive it. But as is it’s garbage to me.
thick trout
That's a slight typo, and 2° is still plenty enough to use 280mm when flat, 350mm when using depression of armour including the huge mantlet. 8° with a huge flat plate at a max of 240 using depression and the aiming arc is useless
solid gate
I just cannot work with 5/6 degrees of gun depression on such a tall vehicle. That combination is terrible. Though when I was complaining about Ferdinand it was about the flat armor not being thick enough. The problem is it is flat and 200mm plus flat at tier 8 isn’t very good.
Eh the JP II isn’t as easy to hull down as you think. Most still expose a sliver of the hull and get shot there. Plus as you said that casemate is useless against high pen guns. And rocking back and forth doesn’t always work. Ferdinand does need more armor but so does JP II. Or JP II should get more hit points.
thick trout
It's not that tall at all and it actually has armour on the half you need to expose. It's plenty easy enough to hulldown as I found out when I tried playing it again today. If you expose your hull then that's all your fault and it's still unlikely you would actually take any damage from it. It's not as reliable against 300mm+ pen guns which aren't exactly the most common. It will still get lots of bounces because it's small and has a huge mantlet, and either way the reds have to use prammo so you can use your 3k dpm with 460 alpha to burn them down easily. The ferd could do with a reload buff to be inline with the JPII but other than that they are both fine how they are
glossy cave
Is this good
solid gate
@thick trout Eh, if Ferdinand got reload buff they it would have to reload faster than JP II since it is slower and to some such as you has a worse armor profile. But I am at the least skeptical of getting AND rolling out in JP II. At worst I’m gonna do what I said earlier and buy it way off from now as a garage decoration.
@glossy cave Good but not as good as the T92E1 according to the YouTubers.
glossy cave
Should I get it then
solid gate
Up to you really.
glossy cave
Ok thx
solid gate
Who else here got the Action X?
tame jungle
Finally another member of ferdi gang 💪💪💪 @solid gate
Remember ferdinand is better in every way when compared to the JP2
onyx venture
T28 Prototype Gang
solid gate
Lmao I do over 4K dmg in my SU-100Y. 😂 Still a good game m8, congrats
way to attempt to assert your dominance and diminish other peoples achievements
onyx venture
I can block about half of the shots shot at me. From far and upclose
thorny horizon
hollow belfry
The 4 you just mentioned above are the only existing T9 premiums lol @bold wadi
bold wadi
which one though @hollow belfry
halcyon thunder
@bold wadi if ur an experienced player, i would think you would want the amx or k91 (amx hull down peek a boom, k91 clipper, kpf peekaboom, t55a just a better gun worse armour t54)
bold wadi
@halcyon thunder thanks
median basin
I currently have kv-1s and unsure whether to go is7 or is4 line, considering both final tank but also grind, any advice?
median basin
how was the grind?
solid gate
IS4 is good. It’s supposed to be better than the IS 7. I have both. I do like the Rev. It will put some pain in the game.
median basin
also any good techtree premiums? or should I wait for deals, i have about 8k gold.
hollow moth
@median basin Löwe
rotund palm
Is the AT Line worth the Grind?
twilit wigeon
no
none of the tanks are any good
183 is a joke it isnt even good
twilit wigeon
it's better than the AT line
it's a good line
rotund palm
I should grind it
twilit wigeon
up to you
rotund palm
Rather than having my stock conquerer
twilit wigeon
FV215b is good tho
like really good
also stock grinds of course are bad
you cant escape them
it's best not to compare a stock tank bc they're always going to underperform
twilit wigeon
if you're trying to play without wasting gold or free xp
viral lodge
Just play your 2x research tanks, free XP builds up pretty fast
rotund palm
Welp I'm stuck with Stock E100 too
median basin
is obj140 worth pursuing?
twilit wigeon
get T62A
hollow moth
Relax, you probably never tried the Bat Chat 25 t, it's horrible with the stock gun @rotund palm
median basin
leo 1 or e50m?
twilit wigeon
E50 M
hollow moth
E50M @median basin
median basin
what i thought. already have panther but just making sure
hollow moth
👍
twilit wigeon
Leo 1 is good but u cant be as aggressive as E50M can
median basin
for panther, 7,5 cm or 8,8?
viral lodge
Have a lot of free XP for E50M line.
hollow moth
7,5cm long gun @median basin
viral lodge
Panther II is horrible, and E50 stock is hell.
hollow moth
I'm actually liking panther 2 @viral lodge
The 8,8cm full gun is actually Interesting
median basin
back to my original q, is4 line or is7
hollow moth
And the agility is useful
elfin edge
Remember ferdinand is better in every way when compared to the JP2
@tame jungle I firmly believe jp2 is a better tank. Jp2 has armour where it counts (upper superstructure), is sloped, and has better mobility and camo, which means it can more effectively utilise its gun
median basin
ive heard the is4 grind is hell
viral lodge
Panther II is slow, armour is eh, gun is eh
elfin edge
@viral lodge you ever see a stock pta? thats called hell
viral lodge
E50 is worse stock
hollow moth
@elfin edge nope, jp2 have a better armor only in the casemate and only because it's sloped, but can take damage anyways by HE cuz angles affect just a bit this shell
viral lodge
Ferdi has better flat value but Jp2 has better effective
twilit wigeon
and is also faster
viral lodge
Jp2 also has a better gun and mobility
hollow moth
Nope, Ferdi still being better even on effective
And nope, the gun is the same but is better by a minimal value, 0.1 second less
viral lodge
🤔 Doesnt really matter since it gets penned by most tier 8 tanks and gets buttered by prammo, and jp2 is a better gun
hollow moth
Same gun But 0.1 second faster
hollow moth
0.18 secs better, wow so much better
hollow moth
Yeah 300 more dpm but don't make much difference because it's only 0.18 faster
It's not about a second
It's less than 1/5 of a second
viral lodge
10.11-9.14
viral lodge
Ferdi is basically a TD Heavy hybrid but considering the TD and Heavies we have at tier 8 it doesnt work well
hollow moth
The tier 8 that you have are T32, that unarmored tier 8 heavy of vk 72 line and an AMX 50 100
viral lodge
Tiger II, exists
tame jungle
Jp players are just salty they can’t rely on their armor
low elk
the jpanther 2 has armor?
viral lodge
Also T32 has better armour than Ferdi
JP2 is trading a little armour for a better gun and a lot more mobility, with how T8 works that is a good trade
AT15 and T28 suck for a reason
hollow moth
Actually T28 suck because the weak point have the same size of the good armor, and you feel that weak point have less than 200mm armor
viral lodge
They suck due to their mobility problems and their confusion on their role.
hollow moth
It's even slower than the ferdi and have basically no armor on the side
T28 is an horrible exemple and horrible tank at all
viral lodge
Ferdi may as well have no side armour against most tanks
hollow moth
Actually 80mm armor let you sidescrape
viral lodge
That wont work out too well.
hollow moth
It works against mediums, lights and other heavies
viral lodge
Meds and lights arent going to just sit there, they flank, heavies just over pen it.
Prammo does exist
hollow moth
That's what you have and it's the only option, it's this or nothing
viral lodge
Id go back to tier 5/6 and grind another line
hollow moth
I researched Jagdpanzer E100 by ferdinand and loved both, Ferdinand and Jagdpanzer E100
I even aced the both
viral lodge
Its not a horrible tank per say, but against what is in tier 8 it cant hold its own as well
Aces are relative
hollow moth
They demand skill and luck
viral lodge
Bad/not played tanks are easier to ace since less skilled players play them
hollow moth
Actually no, I still not acing FCM 50 t for a reason
viral lodge
Ferdi basically is choosing a little more armour and 2 degrees of gun depression over a better gun and way better mobility, and fcm 50 has a lot of good players
hollow moth
And FCM also have a bad tank fame
viral lodge
It basically is the size of a big heavy with the troll armour of a med, so its definitely not great, but a lot of good players seem to have fun with it
hollow moth
It's basically another normal French "heavy" tank
viral lodge
🤔 it has better armour than the amx 50 100 but ya (that is how it feels fighting it anyway)
elfin edge
@hollow moth never said it has better armour all round. the casemate almost = upper superstructure since you just wiggle. everything takes damage by HE, and it has enough armour for a penetrating HE roll
hollow moth
Bruh do you only use HE to penetrate It? I use to make damage in what I can't penetrate, I'm a high calliber player so I make huge damage penetrating of no
viral lodge
of no?
hollow moth
That's how I learned how to play with 152mm calliber, can't penetrate? Use HE, better make 200-300 damage than make nothing
It even works on 122mm if your HE penetration isn't bad
viral lodge
Well ya, 152 is for HE weapons, you dont HE with other lower calibers
rotund palm
I just experienced the best thing ever
an AMX 50 100 Being Chased by a Platoon of Tiger II
hollow moth
Bruh
devout tapir
60TP when?
hollow moth
Once I chased a bat chat 25 t with my Jagdpanzer E100, and I was the one that died... that BC circled me... @rotund palm
@devout tapir There is not even leeks saying they at least want to add something to European nation
Oh wait actually theyllthey'll add a polish tank
devout tapir
60TP is a polish tank:/
hollow moth
Premium, I don't remember if it's tier 8 or 9
viral lodge
T8 prob since it has the most prems
low elk
60TP is a teir 10 heavy tank
devout tapir
Yes
hollow moth
And it won't be a tech tree premium
low elk
cuz its a tech tree
they announced it
the polish heavy line is coming this year
the 50TP is in testing
devout tapir
So will Poland have it's own separate nation now or?
low elk
EU nation
devout tapir
Damn
low elk
just like the spagetto line
viral lodge
just a side line
devout tapir
Ah kk
viral lodge
prob like the japanese heavies starting at tier 7/8 probably.
devout tapir
I would love to see the OBJ-705A line come soon. :/
devout tapir
Wait what
hollow moth
@devout tapir bruh Soviet tech tree is already totally filled
devout tapir
@hollow moth nope lol there's still some tank spots open
hollow moth
Yes, there is no tier 9 soviet premium
devout tapir
K91
low elk
yo K91
devout tapir
Yes there is
low elk
K91 is a rear mounted teir 10 russian tech tree med in PC
hollow moth
There is too? @devout tapir
devout tapir
Blind
low elk
the matlida 4 is a teir 5 russian prem tank, based on the british matlida
devout tapir
The Valentine
hollow moth
Ok ok there is no tier 4 Soviet premium
low elk
you just got yeeted again
devout tapir
Blind again
hollow moth
No Tier 1 Soviet premium
Finally I'm correct
devout tapir
There's no T1 prem of any nation 😂
low elk
theres the warduck and the MK1 heavy
hollow moth
UK have a premium T1 @devout tapir
devout tapir
No?
hollow moth
Now YOU got yeeted @devout tapir
low elk
the warduck is hybrid nation
devout tapir
It's a T2. The vicker something
hollow moth
Nope, UK have a tier 1 premium tank, it got excluded like T49 A, but WG staff still have it @devout tapir
And warduck is Tier 1 premium "tank" too
devout tapir
It's a event tank, just like MK.1
hollow moth
But it exist
devout tapir
And nope, no T1 UK prem tank
hollow moth
@devout tapir
devout tapir
Yes a event tank
hollow moth
Still being premium
devout tapir
Not a real tank that you can go play T1 in with other t1s,it was given to everybody that played when the event went on
hollow moth
But still being premium
devout tapir
It has to be a prem duh lol
devout tapir
It was either a prem or tech tree and at that time collector states did not exists
hollow moth
It still Premium, not collector
hollow moth
But a premium tank
devout tapir
But not a real prem tank, just is considered as one
hollow moth
Or it's premium or it's not premium
There is no half premium or unreal premium
So it's a premium tank
devout tapir
But not a real prem tank, just is considered as one for the special event. Half prem do exists
hollow moth
Or it's a Premium, or it's a collector or it's researchable
There is no old zeland, no tooth fairy and no half premium
devout tapir
A prem tank is called a prem because it makes more credits then other tanks and can't be researched. The M60 is legit just another M48 patton and makes the same amount of credits. Basically the same tank. They just made the M48 have prem status,changed the name and aesthetics, with slight gun changes.
So I don't call the M60 a "Prem" because it doesn't make the one thing that makes a prem a prem.
hollow moth
But it's a premium
It's like say Ho-Ri isn't a premium RN because in 7.0 it'll be researchable
devout tapir
I just stated why it isn't a true prem
hollow moth
but if the game says what is a premium why we are talking about fake premiums
devout tapir
Well it's not a 100% prem because it won't be on in 6.9. Plus it doesn't make more cerdits either
It just have the prem states as a placeholder
hollow moth
Exactly, and that's why it's premium
devout tapir
Also if you look now, the HO RI is no longer a prem
hollow moth
Nope, it stills like premium, I stalked a beta tester today
devout tapir
Nope, no longer a prem
hollow moth
Nope it is a premium yet
The name on the game stills yellow
Again, in the game the name of the tank stills yellow
devout tapir
Again, if you look on a test server it's no longer a prem
hollow moth
But the name stills yellow on the game
viral lodge
Wouldnt count tester tanks as premiums
devout tapir
Doesn't mean it's a prem still in 6.7
viral lodge
However M60 is a premium, just a bad one
devout tapir
I don't consider it a prem, it just has the status of one
It's missing 50% of what makes a prem a prem
viral lodge
You only dont consider it one cause it doesnt make credits as well as other prems
viral lodge
WG sold it via a sale and it is slightly different than the tech tree variant, has a gold name, that makes it a premium.
hollow moth
It's a premium anyways
viral lodge
Just a bad one
devout tapir
Really bad one
viral lodge
Yup
hollow moth
T23E3 is a comet copy and stills a premium
devout tapir
Nah not at all
hollow moth
Bruh
devout tapir
Just the reloud, that's it. That can be said about any tank with that reloud
Do you consider the Y5 ELC a copy and paste prem because it has the same reloud as comet?
viral lodge
I mean if copies make it not a prem I guess all those IS-3 copies arent prems either
devout tapir
Define prem
And nope, m60 is missing 50% of what makes a prem a prem for me
Credits and uniqueness lol
viral lodge
To me a premium is a tank that may make better credits than a tech tree tank and is sold for gold or $. Definitely not uniqueness.
devout tapir
I mean uniqueness as in a change that makes the tank a bit more appealing and change of game style
viral lodge
Eh, a lot of prems arent unique
devout tapir
Like take the WZ 112-2 and IS-3 for example. One has a Pike noise while the other is just a flat sheet of armor. Small change but still can perfect game style significantly.
viral lodge
IS-5, Obj 252u exist
devout tapir
252u has god upper plate and turret armor but a massive lower plate. Is5 has a stronger turret and better gun. Both make more credits
Small change but still makes a difference
viral lodge
just saying their overall design and playstyle isnt super unique
devout tapir
It is though?
viral lodge
Unique is like the KpfPz 70, or the Scorp, unique design
devout tapir
The closing thing to a Scorp is the rhm. But Scorp is faster, larger, and doesn't have a big punch to it. Kpf is kinda generic.
viral lodge
Kpf has a unique design and has a semi unique turret weakspot type
halcyon thunder
Skorp noice tank
devout tapir
And the gun
viral lodge
I havent heavilly explored the other T9 heavies yet so cant say what guns are similar to its or not
devout tapir
Close to a Weaker E100 I'm guessing
halcyon thunder
pretty sure its unique at t9, except the t92
viral lodge
either way KpfPz is unique in its own way, and T92 is different in design and playstyle just similar guns (Prob cause both are ATGM and American)
devout tapir
Now compare that to the M60
viral lodge
M60 is like the IS-5 to me, but T10
devout tapir
M60 is just a version of M48. Only change is how it looks. The overall design shape still the same, and weakspots. They have the same gun and make the same amount of credits
viral lodge
I think the gun is a little different IIRC
halcyon thunder
ye it is
viral lodge
but ya it is pretty much a clone
devout tapir
You can play the M60 just like how you play the M48
devout tapir
Yee so I don't consider m60 to be a prem because for me it doesn't meet what I consider to be a prem
viral lodge
Its just a horrible prem meant to make $$ off of dumb players.
devout tapir
WG sold it for $100 last year
viral lodge
It was sold at the auction last christmas
devout tapir
On 4th of July last year it was sold for $100
viral lodge
Was that its first release?
viral lodge
Just WG trying to make $$ then I guess.
viral lodge
to each their own, I dont feel the need to sub divide prems again, I just go by
Good
Ok
Fun
Bad ¯_(ツ)_/¯
devout tapir
That's your way xd I just divide them
viral lodge
Too each their own lol
solid gate
Can I just say one thing about Ferdinand vs JP II? It’s your choice which to play but I honestly think neither plays like the JPanther or the JagdTiger.
devout tapir
Yeah the superstructure location on Ferd and JP ll is more to the rear then Jpanthers or Jagdtigers
viral lodge
JagTiger is closer to JP2 I think (as far as armour)
solid gate
No it’s not. It’s much slower and I think bigger. Honestly I’d suggest using the premium JT before using the tier 9.
I mean if you can afford to get it.
devout tapir
I mean, the T9 isn't too difficult to play once it's fully upgraded
The gun, armor near the gun mantel, and gun depression makes it a great hull down/ Ridge fighter
viral lodge
now that I look at it, the JagTiger looks like a Tiger II hull and a E75 TS turret welded on mid
solid gate
What..
Well in my opinion the JP II and Ferdinand both aren’t great. One lacks the armor it needs considering how slow it is. The other is lacking in gun depression and hit points.
devout tapir
Ferd has a stronger hull then JP ll also
viral lodge
solid gate
Yeah but the problem is it’s flat. Still 200mm base is way better than 100mm base. And I think JP II’s effective hull armor with the angling still cannot match that 200mm.
solid gate
Don’t you mean casemate and turret?
viral lodge
Idk the term for the TD one but probably
solid gate
It’s called casemate. Also I suppose they do look similar.
Anyway I guess my biggest problem with driving in Ferdinand is putting it too close to the front at times or being too aggressive with it. Treating it like a heavy with no turret.
devout tapir
Ferd is really nice tank, the hull armor is really good too
It may be 200 and flat but still can be angled
Plus there's some parts that are angled
So you can get that troll bounce
median basin
hey guys i need advice, is7 path or is4? and why
next solstice
the IS-4 is better than the Is-7
however, i'd go the IS-7 line. This is because most of the modules you research on the IS line are transferred to the KV line
keep in mind the KV line is generally slower, but a bit tougher
while the IS line is more mobile with slightly better fire power
median basin
okay thank you
rotund palm
Gonna get IS 4 and jg pz E100 soon
median basin
as for russian medium line, which path and end tank is best?
rotund palm
T62A
solid gate
Probably best. The Lttb and T54 ltwt got me in a lot more trouble than I could handle. The T54 is awesome tho and you'll debate a lot if you'll take the T62 over the 140
magic ledge
How to sherman Firefly?
next solstice
The E50M and Leo 1 play in different play styles
The E50m is a heavium that can ram its chonky hull at 60kmph into somebody's booty hole. It's tougher but it's a little lacking in traverse and camo.
The Leo 1 is basically a light that has slightly better gun stats, but insane amounts of dpm. The downside is that it's stupidly fragile.
And I'd go with the T-62A since they decided to give it 7 degress of gun dp while it still boosts the superior turret
solid gate
Should I get the E100 or the Maus?
solid gate
Well I guess the JP II does have the better casemate armor since it is angled and if you use the gun depression it does have. But the hull armor is (slightly) worse than Ferdinand’s even if using the gun depression of 6 degrees. Though here’s a question? Which one is performing better in wins vs losses?
solid gate
Ok why the bloody hay does Armor Inspector say the AT 7 has 76mm of rear armor when the game says it has 101mm of rear armor? Who the hay messed up?
Wait what!? AI shows T28 only has 203mm of base armor on the front. Where’s the 254mm it should have?
elfin edge
@solid gate i like e100
devout tapir
IS-3 D or T-28 Prot D?
tulip sail
I love my t28 Def
onyx venture
I'm part of the T28 Prototype Gang so I'd say the T28 defender
Me when someone tells me the T28 prototype is bad
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/658940423599030283/681613745587617832/699BE947-1872-4295-A487-31382746DF0F.gif
plucky rain
Meadsy said that @onyx venture
hollow moth
Every T28 is good... unless the real T28
But the other three T28 are good
T28
T28 Prototype
T28 Defender
T28 HTC
I said T28 8 times
calm inlet
the prototype and htc are pretty bad
dapper panther
prot is OP damage dealer, has drawback on everything else
HTC is t95 in tier7, with some more weakspots. very situational tank
speaking of which...where did the "HTC" came from?? iirc it is called "T28 Concept" in WoT PC
solid gate
Should I sell RU 257 for Obj. 704 or grind for 2 mill more
rotund palm
Grind
solid gate
@dapper panther Well in here they call it Concept in descriptions but HTC in garage and in battle for some odd reason.
broken sentinel
Easier just to say HTC, which is short for "Heavy Tank Concept".
onyx venture
broken sentinel
I mean he's not wrong. The HTC and Proto could really use some love I think.
lyric oriole
Firstly I want the turret module removed from HTC
solid gate
Man RNG just isn’t with me today. Gotta take a break then go back and play a different tank. sighs And Ferdinand does need more armor. Not a frontline vehicle but still the armor is not what it should be. JP II though is a no go for me. As much as Ferdinand may frustrate me the JP II would do that two fold.
hollow moth
@dapper panther HTC on T28 HTC means Heavy Tank Concept
Oh @ChristianMan777 [501ST] {NA} already said it
solid gate
@broken sentinel Also T28 needs more love than those 2.
@calm inlet the prot is not bad!!!!!
hollow moth
And also the T28 HTC isn't bad too
solid gate
im not joking it is crazy good for kolobanovs and sticky situations cause of the combination of frontal armour, dpm that is combined with a med amount of alpha and and great gun depression, i got quite a bit of kolobanovs and stuff like that with the tank
give it a try, i honestly loved it
lyric oriole
I remember it being good in 2015 when people said it was bad but that was a long time ago so I can't put my opinion in
hollow moth
The HTC was bad when WG gave this tank in loot boxes, but nowadays the tank is better
In battles without tier 8 the tank can be super effective, because even showing the lateral hatches, it's a bit hard to aim there when the tank is moving
I'm glad I bought it on blackfriday
solid gate
We need HP buff on havy TD
hollow moth
Did you tried T28? This tank is the terrible, abysmal and disgusting
It's worse than a stock Ferdinand
T28 is the only reason of why I don't want T110E3
onyx venture
I haven't tried the regular T28, I have the prototype and I really like it
solid gate
I drove it only to unlock T95. Like 45/46% WR. Terribly hard tank to play with the lack of armor. 254mm of frontal armor is a lie. I cannot even find where that is located but according to Armor Inspector most, if not all, of it is 203mm. That’s dumb considering it doesn’t have a turret nor gun depression like the Prototype.
@calm inlet well okay if thats you counter argument 😂😂😂
neat nimbus
hope WG puts this tank as main prize in this year´s twister event
hollow moth
Cool fact: in the game Tiger II have a stronger hull than jagdtiger, it's 10mm stronger
neat nimbus
and getting a legendary historical camo
barren heath
Ugh loss after loss again today, thx WG for putting the morons on my team every single game
I thought the VK 36 01 would save me from that n00bstorm but it doesn’t, 2k damage? Not enough
WG didn’t make it OP enough just yet 🤡
viral lodge
Is this a joke or a genuine complaint?
tulip sail
I honestly cant tell
solid gate
@hollow moth conclusion : Still can be penetrated by BL-10
solid gate
@tulip sail Yo
tulip sail
Hey
solid gate
What’s up?
tulip sail
Nothing much
solid gate
Same here to be honest.
Though I have a story. Does Smasher have HEAT as prammo? I think it does. Well this Smasher idiot got killed by my Chi-Ri because he fired what I presume is that at least once. Second round may have been AP. Not sure. But I won. Granted a teammate came in and put 1 or 2 shots into him which helped.
tulip sail
It does afaik
solid gate
Thought so. Well it’s fun when you’re the lightly armored tank but you win against a Smasher.
Also this this British light tank line doesn’t seem that interesting to me on the designs. I like the FV101 Scorpion better. Like the VFM 5 better. Like the FV301 better when it is like this:
tulip sail
I honestly have yet to look into them all that much also slight tip the e25 is too short to get hit by th smasher if face hugging
solid gate
What:
Vickers Medium Cruiser Mk. 1 - derived from the FV301
I cannot find a Vickers Cruiser tank at all so far. No links to anything come up.
tulip sail
It might just be a buried thing
solid gate
Well that black and white image there is an image of the FV301 light tank. Where whatever Wikipedia user got the idea of a Vickers Medium Cruiser Mk 1 based off that I don’t know. Nor do I know where Wargaming came up with their Vickers Cruiser.
solid gate
I found on a site FV3807 and FV3809 which is says had mockups with Centurion components. Also says 120mm and 155mm as well as SP AT Gun on both.
whole shale
Ok guys lets sign a peditition to WG to nerf the t28 proto's hull cmon we all know these wallet warriors love farming it
elfin marten
Add realistic suspension and track movement to the hull and more people might join. I would play more of this game if it was implemented like the pc version
solid gate
Also found an FV205 SP Medium AT on there.
@whole shale T38 Proto? What have you been smoking?
mortal gulch
Dayum, grinding the Jap medium line is such a pain. Chi-ri is such a pain. Big and slow target with no armor.
whole shale
@solid gate i mean t28 i had no braincells left because i was on air lol
Meaning that was off the top of my head
I dont remember everything
solid gate
This site also lists an FV4009 and FV4014 as medium tanks but says nothing else about them. Lack of information available I guess.
@whole shale Ok but why you saying nerf it’s armor? You’re pulling our chains right?
whole shale
Im tired of that tank it ruins my day im trying to grind tiger 1 and with its paper armor and me not being able to defend myself against it like what
solid gate
@mortal gulch Gotta play support role with it and hope you’re teammates don’t suck.
whole shale
Guys we got customer service now
solid gate
@whole shale That’s your problem. T28 Prototype is slow. Tiger I is fast enough to get around it.
whole shale
Vfm is working the calls
Fast lol haha funn m8 it will blast me back to ww2 before i could pen
solid gate
Dude Tiger I had 44kph top speed. That’s fast for a heavy.
solid gate
Well if he is in open get to his sides. Also if you can afford it load prammo and shoot the turret cheeks. If he is in good position then disengage and go somewhere else.
whole shale
That help the t28 and i will get shredded ever faster
elfin orbit
I never thought id see someone ask to nerf the t28 prot here
whole shale
Im just annoyed with it
solid gate
Dude I got killed by a Tiger I while I had high ground and I was playing said T28 Prototype. It’s not that hard to pen.
whole shale
You defending t28 because you have it lol
solid gate
If anything I’d be asking for a buff for it. You try playing WITH T28 Proto instead of against it. Then you’ll see how difficult it can be to play.
whole shale
O rlly because it looks like aim shred reload repeat
solid gate
T28-t28 proto is utter garbage it’s armor is only good against T7s what do you expect to face off against one in a tiger 1?
whole shale
Dont worry about others shooting you
solid gate
It’s not the T28 man. It’s his teammates that are annoying you and what you are doing wrong in the wake of that.
solid gate
T28 is laughably easy to kill and imo one of the least threatening 120mms of tier 8 your still trying to challenge one in a tiger 1 ofc your gonna get destroyed
T28 Prototype isn’t just aim shred and repeat when you play it though. You have to be in a really good hulk down position with cover on at least one side of you. Otherwise you get flanked and die easily. Also the turret cheeks are weak so that’s annoying.
whole shale
Im not trying to challenge i get cornered so i want to be able to at LEAST pen lower glacis
solid gate
You don’t aim for the hull front. The turret cheeks are best bet. Or get around to the sides. Also if you are getting cornered then you are either last left alive on your team and screwed anyway or not in the right place.
whole shale
Yeah so 1 im screwed and 2 im screwed I cant pen cheeks i dont think
sacred cosmos
Can I interrupt just for a second I need help identifying a tank
solid gate
You can with premium ammo. But if you cannot or will not use that then you have to think more tactically.
@sacred cosmos What tank?
whole shale
Im not scrudge mcduck so ehh tryin to save
Just brought a t ier 10 and my wallet is trying to recover lol
sacred cosmos
I have a T26e4 but it doesn’t have that little extra piece of armor on the front
Not posting as a meme mods
Is this a variant?
whole shale
Im dumb
solid gate
T26E5?
@sacred cosmos Yeah. Can’t you see the funky spaced armor covering the gun mantlet?
sacred cosmos
It looks just like my super Pershing but the front is a little different
whole shale
Wait yeah that is super pershing
solid gate
T26E5 which I think your talking about is different from the E4
@sacred cosmos Um T26E5? It’s just like the regular Pershing but with thicker armor.
SuperPershing as you can tell and know has the spaced armor added on. E5 doesn’t. E5 is just a heavy version of the regular Pershing.
sacred cosmos
So this is just a regular t26e4? I was confused because the front plate looks a little different then mine
Well I’m sorry for interrupting also if you can I’d get the T28 defender it’s really good I don’t think you’ll want your prototype anymore
solid gate
E4 and E5 are still completely different
dry leaf
If any mods are watching this channel, were would i post a idea for a tank( and mabye a faction) i made up a few years ago (faction not the tank) that has semi complete stats for imagery existance in wotb? That might be less game breaking than the Sheridan and T92E5 or whatever the other missle tank is.
Shoot I even have a picture of the tank (digital lego design not digitally rendered non lego yet but I'm working on that part)
novel locust
Still waiting for da panther ii buff
inland osprey
Make Panther II into the next E50M
winter mauve
Is kv-1 better or leopard I'm struggling ._. help
solid gate
Depends on the situation
winter mauve
So KV-1 damage is high?
hushed shadow
KV1 has higher single shot damage, and the leopard does lesser damage with each ‘shell’, but since the leopard fires 12 of them in each clip, it does more damage if you can land all of them, by being close enough or just lucky. The KV1 is slower, has better armor but rn I think the armor isn’t too good due to the nerfs it has. The leopard won’t bounce much, maybe a random lucky bounce but it’s quite quick. I think the leopard would be better rn
hollow moth
Actually leopard will already get a nerf, 15mm less penetration
In 6.9 is won't pen anything
hard nexus
just play t1 heavy, club all the seals
solid gate
Well it wouldn’t be the first time.
solid gate
Is obj. 704 any good
halcyon thunder
from what i've seen, its got a great gun, decent mobility and troll armour
solid gate
I have seen one get racked by its own kind
halcyon thunder
yeah, its got great module dmg, bl10 is great for fun stuff like that
normal wyvern
Obj 704 is awesome
violet stream
Wait until you get the Obj 268.
next solstice
38k xp until the Jageroo
fossil oar
never tried using the BL-10, but I met it's power with my Maus
lost valve
violet stream
They didn't just throw the tea in the water.
solid gate
I'd say that Action X is pretty darn good at the moment. Dpm is huge for a heavy, pen is good and tanks with no gun dep and low dpm have no chance whatsoever if facehugg. In hulldown this is a beast... especially now at the start when players generally don't have experience to play against it.
If not op but pretty damn close to op right now 🤔
hushed shadow
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/jordan/manning-a-sunken-tank-jordan-bets-on-underwater-military-nostalgia-to-preserve-reef-1.7579450 on those tanks in the water
violet stream
@elfin orbit, most tanks that were tossed in the water to either make new reefs, or they're just too expensive to dismantle and reuse parts.
onyx venture
Ah yes the proper way to fight the coronavirus
violet stream
Pretty sure it would be a federal offense if you went to take one. lol
jagged wedge
Which Tier VII tank will the new british light tanks branch of off?
viral lodge
Comet
solid gate
Is that for sure @viral lodge
viral lodge
I mean are you saying lights are going to branch off TD or heavies?
twin salmon
Vicker 105
wise moth
@wide knot That's just a model swap, so he probably did it by himself.
Doesn't actually mean he has a vickers 105, it just makes his centurion look like one
wide knot
Ic
wise moth
It's only for the novelty though, nobody would use that mod in battle, since it means that when you try to shoot at a Centurion in battle, you have no idea what his tank's profile actually looks like. Or if you're playing your centurion, you have no idea how your Centurion actually looks in a position; since remember that Centurions only look like the Vickers light to you. To everyone else (and the server), your Centurion still looks like a Centurion (and has the same stats as one) @wide knot
wide knot
Yes...
solid gate
Are E100 and E75 worth the Grind ?
Also, which line is better ? Maus or E100
Russian guns at tier X seems trash or are they good ?
proven patio
I would go for Maus, but you'll hate the grind
solid gate
@proven patioY ?
proven patio
personally, I don't like the tier 7 and 8 in that line (haven't made it past that). but from videos and looking at stats the Maus seems like a beast. E 100 is also penned easily by td's and some heavies - muas... not so easily
solid gate
@hushed shadow What tanks are those?
@proven patio Tier 7 and 8 both? But the Tiger P is amazing. Only annoying thing is the huge cupola on the turret weakness. Otherwise it’s armor is hard to deal with.
@wise moth Honestly I don’t like Vickers Light 105 fake tank nor do I like FV301 they gave us. They put it at the wrong tier so had to give it weird turret and bigger gun than it should have. Also the hull model looks a bit wrong too. FV301’s hull should be the same as Vickers Cruiser (though the road wheels should look different I think). The tiers IX and X are made up as far as I can tell.
#VFM5FTW
proven patio
am I missing something? what is the fv301?
low elk
the new british light tank
wise moth
I can't talk about the Vickers light, but I'm pretty sure that they actually mixed up the Vickers Cruiser and FV301. I'm pretty sure that they swapped the labels in the picture they gave us
proven patio
wait, there are new tanks in blitz? I haven't played since Sunday
low elk
yes
@solid gate i like it
but not that much
just something new that prolly wont be so broken
proven patio
but when I go to blitz there aren't any new tanks...
solid gate
FV301 is a light tank that is supposed to have a 77mm gun and is based off the A46 or something like that.
@proven patio Also they aren’t added yet. They are just now entering testing except the Light 105 which has been in testing for a bit.
proven patio
what tier X do they lead up to?
solid gate
The Vickers Light 105 is the tier X. The other 2 are the Vickers Cruiser and the FV301.
proven patio
does anyone know the vickers light 105 stats?
solid gate
The Vickers Cruiser may actually be the FV301 as Positive said. It looks more or less how the FV301 should. Wikipedia isn’t a great site for information but if the Vickers Cruiser is to be called that it would be FV301 with the name Vickers Medium Cruiser Mk 1. Long name. Realistically it would be called the FV301.
proven patio
ya, but alpha, reload, armor? or is that not released?
solid gate
Don’t know yet.
But wait if the Vickers Cruiser is supposed to be what the tier VIII image tank is then that means they put the FV301 at a bad tier. I mean it is a light tank so fast and with good camo but 77mm seems pretty dang small for tier 8.
proven patio
please let it be an autoloader...
solid gate
So realistically this the tier VIII which is the FV301:
Also I doubt it’ll be autoloader. The real one wasn’t supposed to be so in game one wouldn’t be either.
low elk
its a single shot
proven patio
maybe like a panther 2
solid gate
I’m now sure Positive is right and they put the wrong name with the wrong image.
low elk
average WG
proven patio
are these going to be branches of the comet?
solid gate
Well and FV301 should be tier 7 realistically. But let’s make British suffer from more LAS (Low Alpha Syndrome). Come on Wargaming.
low elk
going off comet, into the Vickers light 105
solid gate
@proven patio I’m sure they will.
devout tapir
The hell is a vicker lmao
proven patio
looks pretty bad
solid gate
The Medium 1 and such were Vickers tanks 111.
proven patio
maybe the new spic
solid gate
FV301 has a 77mm fun same as Comet. It really shouldn’t be tier 8 because of that. sighs I was too late with my suggestion and Wargaming screwed up again. golf clap
proven patio
they really hate the British
solid gate
@devout tapir That’s actually probably the tier 8 and the tier 8 should be the tier 9.
devout tapir
Ah kk
solid gate
@proven patio And some of the American tanks too.
devout tapir
I really want to see another heavy T10 tank that's in the tech tree
proven patio
give the British a monster with HESH
devout tapir
Like 705A and 60TP smh
solid gate
Some will argue that the VFM 5 is too modern for Blitz but realistically it would fit tier 10 easily. 105mm rifled gun and the armor isn’t composite nor very thick. RO2004 is also this way. “Too late” by year standards but suitable by all other standards.
proven patio
the fv215b needs an alpha boost - no one plays it (except Meadys)
solid gate
This site lists a FV400 but by the description of it’s weight and armament (77mm gun) it’s the same thing as A46.
FV215b is made up and could have been replaced by Super Conqueror or something. But noooooo. Super Conqueror is going to be collector and let’s forget researching any other 120mm heavy tanks.
proven patio
I'm grinding for amx 50 b - is that even a good idea?
solid gate
And really 400 alpha is shared by 215b and E5. But rof should make up for that. Don’t know. Highest I got to was M4 45.
proven patio
I'm at m4 45 - it really is bad...
solid gate
It’s only bad compared to Tiger I. Though it has better gun depression and 5 more alpha per shot that’s not enough. Tiger got armor buff and is faster. M4 45 needs some love.
Model of FV301 someone created by the way:
Real image of the tank:
solid gate
I got an idea for British TDs that won’t have to include “JagdChieftain” without the Chobham armor. Which TE says the Chobham armor was planned but never mounted on the test rig of that thing. Anyway the idea is the FV205, FV3807, and FV3809. Also FV4009 and FV4014 this site I’m referencing lists too and only says they are Tank, Medium. Basically medium tanks. I doubt I would find models or images of them online. In fact the site only lists them as that and has no information on if there were mock ups or anything for them. So anybody could make up what they think these 2 medium tanks would look like.
Here’s a good Idea... add the British main battle tanks, the challengers 1 and 2
How about no
Why not @solid gate
Your joking right you already should know why
Umm... no
Sigh...
Why?
Too new
APFSDS roughly vastly impenetrable armor to most tanks of its era thermals or advanced optics even hydro suspension and pieces of era and classified armor
Ffs... ENGLISH?!!!
But ok.
Big super round thick armor special suspension that go up and down and secret armor there better now?
Yessir
Tank new good shoot shoot gun tank no kill tank cuz good armour
Thank you
Also it would be just as fast as the Sheridan
And @solid gate how you get the veteran role?? I’m veteran in blitz
Apparently not
I’m not a tank nerd
I like tanks irl and the game.. not stats
25k battles and 50% win rate
Sht
Being a tank nerd you should know some basics like modern composite armor is made of layers of materials that old AP and maybe even APDS wouldn’t go through. Now I need to learn more about the ammo types but I know modern tanks use ERA (explosive reactive armor) and such. Also at least some, most, or even all of them have composite armor. There’s a lot to learn. Also you should know sloping makes armor more effective vs having flat plates.
@solid gate What’s the best place to learn about the ammo types tanks fire and armor for tanks? Like I know there are cast and welded things. Also RHA is interesting.
@solid gate there’s a few websites I forgot which but they go into detail on how some rounds worked against certain types of armor
@solid gate Oh, ok. Well if you remember or can find them could you send the links? I’ll look for them sometime myself so no pressure.
solid gate
@solid gate ill dm you a few videos on youtube about it
solid gate
@solid gate Thanks but I was talking about for real tanks. Though I may watch those sometime anyway.
Oh, then wikipedia is probably your best option here
next solstice
The WZ113G FT has no armor on the upper glacis if you remove space armor
short raptor
Quick question guys. Why does the T57 heavy have the hull it does? Technically the only one ever built was built on a m103 hull and the turret was always intended to be mounted on that hull.
solid gate
???^^^ need a bit more info
thick otter
broken sentinel
In theory it should, but it's a terrible tank
inland osprey
The closer you are to the front line, the easier it is to hit your cupolas/lower glacis
calm inlet
@short raptor T57 and M103 have extremely similar hulls in game
arctic stratus
panzer worth the buy or should i save up for defender mk1?
solid gate
@calm inlet really? Are it's have same good armor too?
the 103 probably has it a bit tougher
proven patio
@arctic stratus I wouldn't but the panzer 58 if that's what yer talking about. its 25 bucks for a mediocre tank.
violet stream
solid gate
@inland osprey Man you don’t need to shoot the lower glacial with high pen guns. Just shoot the casemate type part.
inland osprey
If you have high pen guns, sure
But if you're in tanks like the Caernavon or maybe IS, then going for weakspots is probably a better idea
solid gate
Heh. IS is fast enough heavy to get around to the weak sides of a T28. Ridiculous that T28 is that slow to turn.
normal jolt
Guys how to use IS3?
broken sentinel
I personally play my IS-3 more like a medium tank that has high alpha and a good turret. The hull is mediocre at best, so you need to go hull down as much as possible. If you can side scrape without showing your front, go for it, but be aware of the fact that over angling will get you penetrated. @normal jolt
Also the speed is pretty good for a heavy, so you can easily get places early on if you have the intuition to do so
normal jolt
Aight thanks mate
Aight thanks mate
Oh BTW is the tier 9 gun required? @broken sentinel
Or should I first research the turret and tracks?
broken sentinel
@normal jolt yes, the gun is very important. Go for the turret, then the gun.
normal jolt
Aight. Thanks
solid gate
Going back to update 3.9 what the heck was Wargaming thinking buffing only a handful of low pen tanks back then? I don’t know about T-44 as it may be doing well in the updates since. But Pershing relied on premium ammo before and still does. Excelsior also needed a pen buff back then and they still haven’t touched it to this day. What the heck Wargaming!?
wise moth
So I bought the Mutz, and I'm actually liking it so far
solid gate
Dammm
noble stirrup
Can the foch 155 get ammoracks frequently, as in it actually happens more often compared to other tanks
solid gate
@wise moth i prefer the indien tbf, turret seems a little bit more reliable iirc. On the RU server the Indien is considered as a stat padding tank 😂. No joke i have proof.
solid gate
low elk
if thats real lemme freexp the firefly real quick
solid gate
Nah. It’s not real. Just my idea for a suggestion. Realistically the Cromwell should lead to the Challenger since it is based off the chassis. Only thing Firefly shares with it is the 17 pounder.
proven patio
I don't get why the Sherman firefly is even tier 6, it has nothing going for it
low elk
its the gun and thats it
solid gate
The gun but the rest of the tank lets it down.
low elk
yeah its a stripped down version of the M4A1 Rev
proven patio
the gun does only 160 alpha!
low elk
the pen vaules
proven patio
yeah, but its so slow that it should get more armor or something
solid gate
Anyway I do want to fix the British line if possible. FV4009 doesn’t have information on it as far as I know so far. But since there is such thing as a 32 pounder AT gun and AT 15 has that in game as an option I figured why not give a medium it. 250 alpha wouldn’t be the highest alpha on a medium at tier 8.
low elk
nah its good where it is (for the firefly)
low elk
the entire 4005 line is good
solid gate
Who wants to play a Firefly when you could play Cromwell or if have money the Cromwell B? Also the Challenger is challenging.
proven patio
Cromwell b is the literal best tank in blitz!
low elk
yeah well where else are you gonna be able to get into the barn line
proven patio
huh?
solid gate
Cromwell if they had thought about it.
low elk
on PC its also the firefly
solid gate
It makes loads more sense logically than Firefly leading to the line. But Wargaming doesn’t care much for logic.
low elk
its on PC and they wont change anything on PC
solid gate
Well both Dev teams screwed up there. Anyway I gotta go.
proven patio
is going for amx 50 b good for my third tier X?
low elk
no they didnt
i thought it wasnt logical until i realized that the firefly shares more with the teir 7 than the crom
solid gate
Well that’s my idea and I’m sticking to it. Fixed British medium tank line.
Whatever. Leaving now. Bye until tonight or tomorrow.
feral basin
Enjoy watching the video
tight oxide
feral basin
Thats what heppen when IS2 engineer and KV2 engineer CO-OP to make new tank
IS2 got dmged turret they removed it
KV2 got dmged hull they removed it
And put KV2 turret on IS2 hull
New Tank ! https://youtu.be/iu3G5j9KpPM
solid gate
Has anyone got any idea where to view the premium tank sales before they actually get released?
tulip sail
You cant
low elk
@solid gate yes there is a way but its not through normal conventional ways
so i dont recommend you do it
just sit and wait
proven patio
but what's the way?
low elk
digging through game files
sharp gale
Is this worth it? I don’t play low tier much but this looks decent
low elk
Krupp 38D is OP
imagine a teir 5 tank with 200 mm of armor on the hull
if you angle it
nothing will pen the hull
low elk
yeah its worth
when it was out normally in the shop it was 10$
low elk
yeah well its a clubbing tank
lyric oriole
The Hull has Easily penetrated spots all over
low elk
have a 60% WR on that thing even when i was a noob
lyric oriole
The DPM is mediocre.
It's tier 5, 60% isn't overly difficult
The mobility is also mediocre
low elk
its a good tank tho due to the troll armor that takes aiming
which is a skill most new players do not have
lyric oriole
It doesn't take much aim to pierce a krupp
low elk
meh
playing it told me different
hollow moth
I play tier 5 rarelly anyways so i don't care if this tank is OP or if it's weak
lavish socket
does the T1 Heavy have good armor?
sharp gale
Yeah this thing sucks, waste of money
lyric oriole
@lavish socket the armor is the best in the tier
lavish socket
is it suited for sidescraping?
lyric oriole
Fairly well, it's better Hulldown