‘Sidehug the Maus and outdpm the Sheridan’ Pretty bold ngl, but still a dream nonetheless, if u r so good then good luck doing the same thing u just said in games. Also r u thinking that the sheridan will always sit out of cover for you to outdpm him? Dreams.
#vehicles-discussion
solid gate
wise moth
That Sheridan was literally using the Maus for cover when I was looking for shots on him
solid gate
I still have not seen 1 good argument to leave the mechanic in the game and not just get rid of it completely
wise moth
The reason why there are no good arguments is because, fundamentally missiles are about hitting people behind cover, and that’s a stupid mechanic. They have to justify that hitting people behind cover is a good thing, and their argument is always “it prevents camping” when in fact it is always the opposite @solid gate
solid gate
@wise moth Been saying the same thing even before they came out ✌️😂
livid yacht
It's fun
(☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
solid gate
that is probably the best argument @livid yacht 👌✌️
@crystal hare not a litle of the gun was located a litle back it would.The position on the gun in the front permits the tank of aiming donw no problem so it doenst negate he
wise moth
It’s at least more coherent than the other arguments 🤷
Notwithstanding the fact that that fun is directly at the expense of everyone else, but it’s not factually incorrect like the “it prevents camping” argument
solid gate
@wise moth True, since ATGMs are known for rendering the usual good positions useless, not for ‘sniping those that camp around the spawn’
thick trout
@wise moth I couldn't see that but on that map your meds should be distracting the sheridan or you should be further to the right where he doesn't have line of sight. It makes you slightly less agressive but it means the reds can be a lot more agressive.
If the sheridan has already shot then that's one less hit to take and its possible to bait the shot from the maus. Even then you were still in a bad position and alone against 2. It was unlikely you would have won no matter if it was a sheridan or not.
@solid gate Pretty agressive is the word I would use, and it's what I would do if I was caught being flanked by a maus in that situation.
solid gate
@thick trout it was likely he was going to survive the encounter there, going towards his teammates and not get hit by the sheridan that would go to the right to get more shots in ( again without the risk of trading hp back btw)
wise moth
@thick trout FWIW, I wasn’t being flanked by the Maus, I ran into them because at the start of the game, I aggressively cleared the dunes (Hence why I’m already on 2300 damage) then rotated back to try to deny them the use of our spawn
solid gate
there is a difference between a pretty aggresive player and a pretty bold player ). An aggressive players takes positions close or at the frontline even if their tank isn’t the best match for such positions. A bold player ( usually not a good one) a takes risks that leads to his death without having that much of an impact in the said match )
wise moth
Moreover, if it weren’t a Sheridan there. I could play that hulldown and be able to outbrawl 2 enemy tanks. The fact that there was a Sheridan is what prevented that
livid yacht
You can rant here for weeks
Or
You can play with them
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wise moth
@livid yacht Or I can not play and play other games that are now more fun
solid gate
true dat
livid yacht
Another solution
wise moth
Quit playing for about a week and a half after I got completely fed up with missiles, and you can see my battle count already nosediving compared to usual
thick trout
@solid gate He could have held the position by not going right against the rails and using the dunes, there he is in the open where the ATGMs areost effective.
@wise moth You have been flanked by the maus otherwise he wouldn't be behind your team. If you weren't right against the rails and were in a different position with teammates then you could have beaten them. It's still a 6v4 and you aren't the only player on the team.
solid gate
i was already on the verge of quitting before the launch of the missiles
thought letting my friend ‘try’ tanks while im having a break was a good idea, rip me
quasi mirage
Lol yeah the sheridan is bs. I literally cant play any other high tier tank besides the t92 rn
wise moth
@thick trout As a matter of fact, we did beat them. The battle was already won before that moment because we ran over 3 of their tanks in the dunes already. And by suggesting I don’t play on the front line next to the rails, you have proved my point. You have just suggested I camp further back, away from the front line
quasi mirage
theres literally nothing one can do in certain positions if you get trapped
solid gate
the frontline- the place the is7 is basically supposed to be.
wise moth
But according to missile supporters, I should be camping behind the front line 🤷
quasi mirage
and here positive was willing to make a sacrifice against normal tanks to keep 2 tanks away from the game while his team flanks around
wise moth
“Don’t want to get hit by missiles? Don’t go so close to the front line”
solid gate
RIP to Middleburg C area, and many other maps, WHOLE MINES MIDDLE FOR EXAMPLE AHHA
quasi mirage
himmesldorf rails is stupid too
wise moth
That’s literally what his advice has boiled down to for both scenarios I presented
solid gate
what is even funnier is that this guy really wants the 183 removed, but is okay with the ATGMS 👌😂😂✌️
quasi mirage
yes plz camp with that .38 accuracy and 2400 dpm in an is7 with the 300 mm of frontal armor
wise moth
And that is my summative argument against missiles.
Missiles are about hitting people behind cover, and hitting people behind cover is dumb because it forces you to play passive
quasi mirage
yup your only choice is either to play stupidly passive or make a yolo run, and most players would obviously choose the former
thick trout
And that shows that the sheridan doesn't have as big as an affect as people think. You get to decide where the front line is. In that scenario you decided it was at the rails where the ATGMs could get shots on you. If you had held a position about 20 or 30m back you would have been fine. That is not camping.
@solid gate The ATGMs should get a turning circle nerf and both the Sheridan and the T92s armour should be paper, they aren't great how they are but they are nowhere near as bad as people think they are
solid gate
There is not trade involved= There is no place for such mechanic in Blitz period
thick trout
But anyway I'm going to go play blitz, have fun complaining people
wise moth
And as for his argument that the missiles enable your teammates to play aggressive, that is also patently false. In both scenarios, the enemy team did not push past where the missile tank was, and that Maus literally did not move one inch, even after I died
solid gate
😂 Yep, no counterargument so he goes on to different pointless stuff, typical.
wise moth
Also, let it be known that for the desert sands one, 20-30 meters back isn’t even close to enough. In fact, it would be easier for him to hit missiles there because that is low ground. I would have to be wayyyy back to not be hit
quasi mirage
heres a list of areas which you literally can't use anymore because of missiles, sector 6 middleburg(or is it 4), Sector 5 Canyon which is in the center, all of himmesldorf rails, Mines hill in any heavy tank = insta death by a missile tank behind any of the 3 rocks, Faust Corner,unless I was at exceptionally close range with no teammate support I have rarely been yoloed in a missile tank because most people know facing a tank with 1900 dpm is better than facing the entire enemy team and getting nuked
solid gate
@wise moth The guy has no clue what he is talking about anymore, can’t u tell?
quasi mirage
@wise moth you could have tried using the standard B there
I guess but even then im not sure
btw did the standard b get nuked from missiles too?
wise moth
@quasi mirage He used the Maus as a shield. I would have actually found a shot on him if it weren’t for that Maus
I haven’t played the Standard since I got it to 100 battles because I want to keep it as my highest WR tank
quasi mirage
im saying the standard b on your team that ded
wise moth
@quasi mirage He had the bad luck of being focused out by the meds on their team when we all pushed down
quasi mirage
ah he just seems annoyed by the sheridans missiles thats why
i mean its clear by now the sheridan is the best tank in a ridgeline, even a super strong turret is worse than a tank that doesn't even need to expose itself
to show how bad middleburg RN is, there are basically 4 spots on the frontline in hill, the side of hill which is exposed to town and can easily be countered by hull down tanks. The very center where C cap is which is exposed to missiles, the side next to the large mound which is also missile nuked and and the small bush hill which is a little bit safer but not completely.
solid gate
#buffchiri
quasi mirage
what might be interesting rather than just give it a generic mobility buff or something is give it 180 alpha and the pen buff of course
livid yacht
Mobility since that is pathetic
rose venture
Aight, it seems wg does not care about not adding any more light tanks to tier ten as they are now on their third apparently. So please can the amx 13 105 be added to the tech tree idk how it’s done but I find it necessary.
quasi mirage
it will be a premium knowing WG and they make a new batchat premium with 350 alpha
viral lodge
What upgrades are mandatory? And what order?
brave glen
Add BC 12t as a tier 8 light tank.
Make the 2 BC25ts into mediums and give them bigger clips
Amx 13 90 should be moved to tier 9 and given a bigger clip
amx 13 105 as the new tier 10 light.
That's all I want
@viral lodge gun first then your choice
viral lodge
Also how much should I rely on my turret armour?
brave glen
Don't rely on it, just peek in and out to shoot
viral lodge
Ok, thanks 👍
wise moth
@brave glen IMO, they should leave 13 90 where it is, make Bat AP and Bat 25t meds, and then make AMX 13 105 a 2nd option from Bat AP.
BC 12t looks really bad. And ugly.
brave glen
then just make the 12t good.
wise moth
I rather like the 13 90, and I’ve always hated the idea of uptiering tier 8 lights. Besides, they don’t need to uptier the 13 90 to give it an extra shell. (Also, 13 75 and Bat AP should get an extra shell)
cloud delta
ok
crystal hare
@solid gate oh ya sorry small brain move
near isle
Can marder 2 be added again so I can get it one last time
It’s my favorite tank destroyer and I really want it back
wise moth
@near isle If you have the 55 gold needed to get it back, you can use the support website to send in a ticket and WG will take 55 gold from your account and give you the Marder @near isle
rose venture
@brave glen yes! That’ll be such a relief to have that done especially since the 13 90 is kinda below average at tier 8. Unfortunately wannabeunicum is probably right. If wg ever adds it, it’ll most likely just be another polutting collector or premium. 😞
dusky wigeon
Lol today I pened m6 exp with my at15 I shot m6 exp’s neck
quasi mirage
@wise moth i think the 10% rule only applies to credit tanks
magic crescent
how long would it take to get the strv 74
scarlet nest
fast compass
First thing i thought when I saw it as well
solid gate
I like VFM 5 better for looks at the least.
visual hatch
They should add a crew of soldiers on foot with an anti tank gun. 😂
solid gate
Yeah add a finnish tech tree and the tanks are AT guns on skis
slender perch
Don't ask for something too much, look what happened to 30B, Badger, 5A and now Super Conq. Collectors behind a paywall.
glass relic
Sad yeah
I wonder if the Super coq will have the special consumables too, I'm guessing not i hope..
near isle
@wise moth how do I do that
dapper panther
Make a tank recover ticket
thick trout
@wise moth Missiles make the game quicker and more agressive, as I've said before look at any tier 10 game and you will see many more meds than before, and there will be a lot more movement. This is what agression is.
20-30m back lets you get behind a ridge where you can hide your lower plate and use the ground to angle your upper plate so he can't pen you.
@solid gate If you are going to be that agressive maybe try coming up with some points of your own?
@quasi mirage Sheridans are very strong around ridgelines now, all they need is for the turning radius to be reduced and then they can't loop shots at close range and so they have to think more.
solid gate
@thick trout scroll up or look in balance discussion. They negate too many positions and don't need to trade, you don't need too much to understand that. Your concept of aggression is mostly wrong, you don't have to be quick to be aggressive. Even if the turning radius is reduced, there is a big number of small ridges that allow the sheridan to be completely hidden and not need to turn the missile that much, simple as that. Still waiting for an actual good point from u, not all these ideas of what @wise moth should've done in the gif he posted. He had way more chances if there was any other tank than a Sheridan, that is a fact. Also you keep saying that it becomes more aggressive, but i'm not sure that seeing meds either rush in and die or just stay back and hide from atgm shells means aggressive gameplay. Funny that you want the 183 removed and not the Sheridan, the latter having so much more impact in games at the moment (mostly ruining them).
you are most likely not doing as good as how people say it does, and you are just based on your own experience.
Try something other than "missiles make the game quicker and more aggressive" when in reality people are afraid to use the aggressive positions, those that give them an advantage by using their tank's strong points, basically being more passive and camping further back.
proper slate
I was wondering if any other players enjoy playing t49 with the non derp gun?
dapper panther
i do
drifting vapor
Wg why the new british t10 light not are a Manticore?
solid gate
Add me to the game for April Fools
glass crypt
no sorry i only do quality jokes
iron egret
Give Smasher HE ATGM with 900 alpha for april fools
By April 2nd half the playerbase will uninstall
glass crypt
i apologize for the roast it had to be done
tough dune
Might as well bring in Type 5 with 15 cm to counter sidecraping or hulldown/camping. It promotes more aggressive gamplay than those Atgms ever will lol.
solid gate
@glass crypt it’s ok I only cried a little ;-;
solid gate
@drifting vapor We Blitz players don’t want the PC British light tanks mate. Because we heard from PC players they suck and weren’t what Wargaming made them out to be.
drifting vapor
Thanks @solid gate
solid gate
@drifting vapor You’re welcome. Here’s my proposed light tank line:
Also to anyone else who wants Scorpion in there proposed line even it was after late 60s by 3 years. At least according to TE it was a 1972 tank . I don’t know if that means it was finished then or started then.
golden sentinel
Hopefully the caernarvon AX DONT come for like $50.00 I m broke 😆 but I want it
fringe mulch
It would be nice to have a pure italian tech tree line there are good replacements for t1-5 that would fit good in blitz
thick trout
@solid gate They negate some positions for some tanks, it's just like campers expept they have much less of an effect and they punish slow and unagressive tanks instead of the ones making blitz interesting. You don't have to be quick to be agressive but you have to move, and that is what the missiles force people to do. There would be some open areas where sitting in the middle of a field still will see you taking damage. I've been trying to show why the 2 scenarios he picked to show his point werent good examples and I've said what I think should be changed and backed it up, you just don't agree with it. In that situation, a sheridan was better than most of tanks, but that doesn't mean it's better in every situation because it clearly isn't. The 183 and the sheridan do opposite things to the game, one is a tank literally made to punish movement another is a tank weakest against agressive tanks
solid gate
i don't understand what you mean by move and push, the maps aren't as big as u think, you either go in your position or just get into the open and get shred by enemies
viral lodge
The Sherridan (ATGMs) punish people who trust their armour, 183 punishes people who haven’t experienced a Derp and think they can waltz across a field intact
thick trout
I don't really see what's hard to understand at all about move and push, instead of the game just being static and full of campers you can actually flank and force them out of positions thanks to the ATGMs. This actually let's you be agressive
solid gate
man you understand everything there is and are so sure they r healthy for the game. How many actual good players have to tell you that players become passive and not aggressive, negating most of the aggressive positions doesn't mean the meds will rush in, they will try to hide. Nobody wants to be in the open against the enemy.
viral lodge
Being passive and aggressive has its time and place, what separates a bad from a good player is knowing when to utilizing their game knowledge in what manner.
solid gate
@viral lodge i'd say i prefer having the 183 in its current state than the sheridan, more players will know that u can't just go in the open and not be punished
thick trout
If they change the meta to be more agressive then they are good for the game, and based off everything I have seen at tier 10 people are being more agressive. I still think they need a nerf but the change that they provoked will stay until WG release the next OP TD. If there are positions open people will stop camping and move into them, and the ATGMs allow teams to do that. If you prefer having the 183 then think long and hard about what you want tier 10 to be and think about whether that is what blitz is supposed to be
viral lodge
I find the 183 fine, it can be out smarted and isn’t a meta, Sheridan on the other hand
solid gate
want ATGMs? give them to a slow tank that has no armour. Should be better
thick trout
So now it's the tank not the ATGM mechanic you are complaining about 🤦♀️
viral lodge
“New positions” don’t exist due to ATGMs hitting you from any angle
solid gate
@thick trout im just giving options my dude, ATGMs are broken and u still haven't got a good argument 😉
viral lodge
I’ll take an enemy 183 over a Sheridan any day, even 2 of the derpy things
solid gate
how is it okay that only 1 tank is essential in any team compositions?
viral lodge
The 183 isn’t even that good, the Sheridan not only disables a lot of used to be viable map positions, it is also able to attack on its own from half way down a hill
solid gate
don't have a tank with ATGMs that can give you the advantage by getting shots in without a trade and give you the hp advantage at the start? you are more likely to lose
thick trout
@solid gate And one of the options that I'm giving that you are completely ignoring and pretending doesn't exist is nerfing the turning circle of the ATGMs and removing all armour. I've also suggested making it so every time you switch to an ATGM your turret automatically turns to face directly forwards and you cant move it so it's almost impossible to hit shots over cover but no-one responded to that at all 🤷♀️
viral lodge
I mean no over cover shot may as well be normal HEAT
solid gate
@thick trout lmfao i kept saying that that wont help that much at all, there's a big number of small hills and ridges that allows you to be completely hidden and STILL get shots in easily, also most of my atgms shots don't need that much mouse movement, that kind of nerf is meh, you either make it unusable or too broken
thick trout
It will help a lot I think you just can't remember how much they are used without bias. Mouse movement doesn't matter it's the turning circle
solid gate
That is the main issue of the ATGMs, there is little to no perfect balance. Wait mouse movement doesn't matter? w a h t
thick trout
How much you move your mouse doesn't affect its turning circle? People's main issue is with the shots that just arc over ridges where you aim up, hold rmb, aim at the tank and shoot. The turning circle is small enough to let them hit across ridges and if you need the turning circle suddenly you won't be able to do that
solid gate
let's word it in another way: You don't need to much movement with the shell to make it useful, a lot of low level hills are just enough to be able to get shots in, especially with such pen.
that makes up for most of the aggressive positions in this game.
thick trout
If you are shooting so the missile is in the air for more than a second or so then it is easy to dodge, get to better cover or angle your armour at the last minute to block, you should either have the speed to dodge or the armour to angle. The missiles shouldn't be balanced off people who are blind and can't make tiny changes because of a new game mechanic
solid gate
Again, dreams. I'm pretty sure i am not blind and know what is going on with the game, maybe am not as good as you, but i can't really get to bounce the shells by wiggling that often.
these are just perfect situations, like the 'hug the maus and outdpm the sheridan' thing 🤣
another option? switch the pen with the one from the apcr
but oh well, that will make them useless with the turning radius nerf
thick trout
For most tanks it's easy, at the last minute you turn your tank and they hit either the tracks or something too thick. Failt that, baiting with your side and then straightening up to let your tracks absorb works plenty well enough for me. I already said that in that situation he was probably dead either way and that his best option was to do that imo.
Again I thought you were complaining about the ATGM mechanic not the actual tank...
solid gate
again i am complaining about the ATGM mechanic, like every normal good player that saw their abilities. Good luck at wiggling so they hit your tracks, especially with their pen, at the angle that the shells are landing, even with the pen nerf they will still pen easily.
The best
fringe mulch
👍
solid gate
Won't argue on this since you refuse to see it from a pro's perspective 😉 This has ruined the fun and the concept of using each tanks in their best position, same thing with a lot, a LOT of other good players on EU, all quitting, even a bunch of youtubers, example a guy with 350k subs from Russian, has now only 50 games play this month because of the new ATGMs and how annoying they are, ruining everyone's fun except for the user. Good luck when people get the hang of them and literally everyone will abuse them, as if now it is not enough.
thick trout
You aren't complaining about the ATGM mechanic, you are complaining about the actual tank now. I've seen many many people wiggle and I've done it myself a lot, even in tanks like the 121b which shouldn't be bouncing things like that. If you can't make points without trying to insult me then there's no point in your trying to argue. People say they are going to quit constantly, and people do quit constantly, the game still keeps going. All you can see now is good players who do have the hang of ATGMs going against bad players who don't know how to counter them
solid gate
I have been complaining too much about the ATGMs, and you just can't see it 🙂 I just don't like smartasses that don't see what is actually happening. Too many 45%> 55% camping 1 spot and just spamming HEAT shells, getting 5 out of 10 shells in, that is still 2500 dmg, way beyond their average. I have my points, shared with many others, yours are just weird reasons not to remove them, basically 'get better duh'
and please don't confuse being stupidly aggressive with actually playing passively, trying to hide from the inevitable 🙂
Why hetzer it a slow and weak tank?
The game will always keep going, what you can not say is that the competitive side of it will be on for much longer. I was part of the competitive side and this ruined basically all the tournaments, it is a race between the teams, who has the most Sheridans in the team?
fringe mulch
@solid gate did you fully upgraded
fringe mulch
Hmm well is only t4 so its not the fastest but its frontal armor is really good for t4 and the gun is mediore but agian its only t4
solid gate
Ok
wanna nerf their radius? go for it, but keep in mind that they will probably become useless because of such nerf, why hasn't WG thought about this?
fringe mulch
Its the lower plate that its weakness as its easy to pen @solid gate
solid gate
Yep i hate that
solid gate
I cannot play the dang game right now. The ping lag is terrible. 300/700 ping every battle. I even rebooted my internet and it didn’t work.
regal zealot
The FV101s were in development in 1967 before being mass produced in 1972 fyi, OF 40 Mk 1 MBT
dusky wigeon
I wonder if I get free badger after researching fv215b
elder garnet
just got this
lyric oriole
Nice it's a pretty good vehicle, not anything amazing but it's capable of a good bit, decent armor, good gun, good DPM, not the best mobility but it's workable
sinful current
loads Kv-2 HE with HEAVY Soviet Union intent
solid gate
@regal zealot Well ok. But what about the Chieftain Mk 6 and MBT 70?
regal zealot
First prototypes of the MBT 70 is in 1965
The pre-designated Mk V was accepted for service in 1963, in which it has already been retrofitted with the 120mm cannon
But the true Mk V was in 1970, in which the Mk VI was improved upon older Mk IIs up to Mk V standards in 1979
Sources from Tank Encyclopedia
wild gulch
What’s the best premium tank? Like credit winnings wise
glass relic
Coefficients? For me I'd say lowe and angry Connor
wild gulch
So paying money is worth Löwe?
glass relic
Well lowe is a worth it to grab
wild gulch
Does wargaming drop them in events?
solid gate
That’s what I would figure HE would say. I don’t see what’s wrong with RO2004 and VFM 5 though since nobody actually used them and they use mainly welded aluminum armor. Also they use 105mm rifled guns. If you don’t include them then you only get tier VI-VIII lights for British line. Excluding the Vickers Light 105 which may be made up by Wargaming.
Now if you tried to include things that use Chobham armor or equivalent and/or modern smoothbore guns then you would ruin the game. Those would be impenetrable to anything that doesn’t fire modern rounds. Also I cannot find anything on Vickers Cold War light tanks which is why I think Wargaming may have made up the Vickers Light 105.
regal zealot
The Vickers Light is made up
solid gate
Yeah, was pretty sure it was since I cannot find it. You can find Vickers MBTs but not Vickers light tanks. The only Vickers lights are the WW 2 and maybe interwar era ones.
Ignore the optional tanks crap in the Swedish and Swiss tank proposals below: (I did give these to Wargaming Support and posted them in Suggestions and Feedback on the Forums.)
And additional Swedish tanks as it says:
Where is udes line?
frigid compass
swedish tds have less of a chance of getting into the game than japanese heavies
solid gate
That is a lot of thought put into picking tanks for a tank line
@solid gate UDES is more of turreted TDs than medium tanks from what I can tell which is why I didn’t include that. Then again so are the Ikv ny project tanks which I did include. Those though have forward mounted turrets on the ones I chose to become mediums.
@solid gate I did a lot of looking at status reports type posts where people dug up and talked about information on these tanks. However, the guy talking about the Ikv ny projects didn’t give too much detail on armor profiles for the tanks so that leaves room to make stuff up which I don’t mind. A lot of tanks in the game are not even close to 100% historically accurate despite Wargaming’s claims. Speaking of which the Panther II now needs like at least 120mm of frontal hull armor and 170/180mm of frontal turret armor and maybe 80mm of side and rear turret armor. Even if that isn’t historically accurate that doesn’t matter. It’s for game balancing reasons.
You could also put Panzer 58 2nd Prototype at tier 6 I think because it uses the 20 pounder gun from the Centurion Mk III. Which would not make it the biggest tier 6 medium tank gun. Now top speed may or may not be an issue. Same with armor. Still it is an option. Realistically the Centurion I (Mk III fully upgraded) should be tier VI or VII itself. The problem is what would be plugged in tier VIII at least. The only way to solve that is to make a 105mm L7 gun with 310 alpha on a Centurion Mk 4 or 5. It’s just the way they set up the game the 20 pounder is too small for tier 8. You need at least a 90mm generally. Even the 88mm is a tiny bit too small for tier 8.
One of the L11 tank gun variants?
Eh, it's a 120mm gun, so nvm
I think I saw a light tank with a gun like that. Probably the truly modern light tank from France or somewhere. The CV90120-T.
Lol, imagine the arguments of why WG put a 120mm on a swiss or Swede tank
regal zealot
I’m not so comfortable with a 20-pdr on a tier VI medium. Personally, the 20-pdr fits well at tier VIII
solid gate
No it doesn’t. Weak alpha and more. All it has is pen.
crystal hare
Weak alpha? Like 220
solid gate
I’d rather the Centurion I be at tier 7.
regal zealot
It’s a non-issue if you can utilize the gun to its capacity; the gun has excellent soft stats and solid DPM to compensate for its poor alpha strike of 190
Personally love burning down HTs with that gun, especially with the Caernarvon
solid gate
It’s 190 average and that’s not counting low rolls. Ridiculous. It should have closer to PC’s alpha but NOOOOO because the dang 85mm guns on Russian mediums. Which they didn’t follow that logic on PC.
@regal zealot Dude it doesn’t have the highest dpm anymore. There are better dpm mediums at that tier AND they have better alpha. The Centurion I is powercreeped and needs buffing or it’ll become completely useless. Heck it performs worse than even the piece of trash Pershing according to the stats Ribblestripe posted here on the server. Also the Caernarvon uses the type B gun while Cent uses the A version.
regal zealot
They’re pretty much the same save for their DPM stats
I still think that the Centurion needs the type B as the top gun though
solid gate
Anyway I was wrong CV90120-T uses a smoothbore gun. I don’t know what medium or light it was that I may have seen that used the L11 gun if it was a medium or light.
magic ledge
What gun should i use for WT auf Pz IV stock grind?
regal zealot
Grind with the stock 12.8cm to get the 15cm top gun
magic ledge
ok
solid gate
Ah, it was the Panzer 74 which was mounting the 120mm L11 but I’d go with the original proposal of mounting the L7 gun.
solid gate
Oh and one more thing. They could even start the Swedish light tank line at tier IV if they wanted too so it branches off from the Polish light tank instead of a Swedish medium. Seems a bit more logical for a light tank line of one nation to stem from another light tank at low tier rather than a medium tank. However, I didn’t feel like going below tier V myself. Plus that Strv 2000 project stuff is just silly optional stuff because it’s armor is equivalent to 800mm RHA vs AP and 1200mm RHA vs HEAT frontally. Sides of course are less effective against both. I doesn’t say what kind of armor it’s using but those are the RHA equivalent values. Also at least the T140/40 is an autoloader. Though that version doesn’t carry very many rounds. Only 19 rounds on it.
regal zealot
The progression from MT to LT is pretty logical at higher tiers if you consider that the FV4005 line was transitioned from the Firefly, an MT to the Challenger, a TD and the future Japanese TDs branching off from either the Chi-To or the Chi-Ri @solid gate
solid gate
I suppose. I mean the Strv m/42 is a rather lightly armored medium for medium level armor. Also I bet they’ll branch off from Chi-To since they start at tier VII.
Oh and that Strv m/42B is based off an image I found on a thread about the thing (Strv m/42). I showed it here before but now deleted it. I could get it back though.
alpine notch
How about Polish tree on EU? Should it be started from Lago instead or Strv m/42?
solid gate
The Polish heavies will no doubt come. I don’t know where they will start from.
alpine notch
Its kinda ruined the fact that 14TP were on Tier 3, makes me thinking where this line even going to start from-
KSUST is most likely have to be important tank for this line
regal zealot
Prolly from tier VI with the 40TP
solid gate
Probably V or VI, yeah.
dusky wigeon
Tortoise frontal armor much thicker than at15’s
solid gate
I’d have included the TLS in my optional Swedish tanks list by the way. However, it’s just another name for the Pricken m/48.
alpine notch
So, from Tier IV Lago - KSUST - 40TP - 45TP - 53TP - 50TP - 60TP
If tier V, it will starts from Strv and goes on like above, skipping KSUST
dusky wigeon
solid gate
I almost thought they should add MBT-80 but that thing has Chobham armor so no go.
Anyway the European nation can get many medium tank lines and even some heavies and lights. The only thing that is a problem is getting TDs for it.
@solid gate mbt 80 was also planned to use a more advanced gun that can’t really be used in blitz
@solid gate Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised about that. I also saw mention of attempts to use a 140mm on some the Leopard 2 variants. There was even something about Germany or someone considering using a 130mm gun on future MBTs.
@solid gate I actually have a pic of the 140mm in the leopard 2 also the 130mm your talking about has Been built very very recently
Ah, I should read more about it. I just get bored of reading after a bit so I tend to read in bits and pieces.
@solid gate the muzzle velocity is insane
Wow! That is insane velocity.
1800 MS even modern ammunition of today barely hits 1600 MS
Yeah. Seems they don’t use it because nobody else has much interest in 140mm rounds. Not enough standards for such rounds.
@solid gate it was only unused because it was deemed unnecessary 120mm guns had already received enough upgrades to render soviet armor useless
I see. Well that makes sense too. I was going off what the article image you sent was saying even if I didn’t interpret it right.
Although I would love to see this gun and cartridge to be further developed because if the armata does end up going into mass production this gun will def be the answer to them
Russian Fanboys: Haha T-14 will rekt anything!
Germans and the Swiss: Laughs in 1800 m/s from a 140mm gun and 2 and a half miles away, drinking beer at the same time
@solid gate
@solid gate Actually that may be the Swiss Leopard 2A#.
Edited my thing
quasi mirage
L9l
cerulean wing
What about the K2 Panther?
iron egret
How is Chobham a no-no?
T-34-3 in Blitz has reactive armour blocks
hoary verge
Really happy with the video that Bushka made on missiles earlier yesterday, he made some great points and I totally agree
I also saw a poll on YouTube where 58% voted to remove missiles
quasi mirage
bushkas video was pretty mediocre, if you gonna complain and make a video about missiles atleast show them in action lol, I do agree they are OP and broken but atleast show it
hoary verge
Yeah I agree I guess for people who haven't seen it in action especially, but I think he still got his point across
quasi mirage
i mean he doesnt even have to show how to do it he can just take gifs of him getting rekt and explaining he cant do anything there
short flame
i would actually be bored by wg adding 1 tree every 104472 years, this means we will be done with new pan european tanks and Brit lights in basically more than 1 year :/
stop adding 1 prem tank every week and focus on trees nabs!
in a few we'll legit have more prems than tech trees
solid gate
Guys what's the most well balanced tank in game? (single fire gun,no auto loader or auto relaoder)
keen shell
the starter tanks maybe
lol
They should add the bob semple tanks as a thingy you can get from an event
open bay
Bob Semple would change the meta since its a litteral god I don't think Tier X players want to fight it
dapper panther
@solid gate I would say RU 251
solid trench
Played first battle with T92E1 75% crew....it was so easy, the pen and accuracy are just too much for a light tank, I brawled with a IS8 too damn easy
viral lodge
@solid gate the KpfPz 70 (German Tier 9 Prem) is pretty well balanced, it is a decent tank, has some drawbacks, but has some boons, nothing broken and nothing crippling.
solid gate
Hey guys I think Fugits was saying that the ATGMs on those tanks are actually more advanced in game that what the real life tanks started out with. Which if true is crazy. Because he claims the real ones were more like rockets than modern ATGMs.
frigid compass
@solid gate he is right
solid gate
So basically Wargaming gave them more modern like ATGMs than the real ATGMs they had at the time. Which actually were probably more like attempts at ATGMs but they acted more like straight shot rockets.
short flame
@solid gate most balanced tanks? i would say obj140, t110e5, is4, obj268
smoky dune
The Shillelagh was controlled by an IR beam from the Sheridan. No way to fire or guide without direct LoS since the emitter is directly above the gun barrel.
short flame
exactly, thats why i said in #666263717033541662 to lock in sniper mode view when firing missiles.
it would also perfectly balance the thing, add to it a closer to the 600 m/s irl speed and the actual penetration values nerf, and here is it your perfectly balanced sheridan/t92, rly ez. (keep the 5 seconds flight time, since irl it had a very long operational range, its stupid it freaks up after like 400 meters)
small garden
yea
well irl these kinda tanks had GPS installed so its no big surprise that tank can fire over objects and stuff
solid gate
Locking missiles in sniper mode would make them useless. Make them line of sight only, it’s the best we can do.
small garden
yea
plus the missiles give the game depth and something new cus for a long time wotb has been bland and boring just the same thing over and over with different tanks and different out comes and basically shells that do the same thing but have different stats
frigid compass
uhhh atgms dont have gps wth u mean
small garden
i meant the tank has GPS
frigid compass
ATGMs use things like laser guidance which makes it need a line of sight
small garden
yea ik
solid gate
These are early ATGMs from the 60´s
frigid compass
yep
small garden
yea but apparently not
solid gate
The M551 Shillelagh I think it’s called
I heard more modern missiles used another technology
frigid compass
why did wg give the sheridan a javelin missile instead of a shillelagh missile
small garden
yea ikr
solid gate
Shillelagh would have been literally useless, takes approximately 700 meters before it can be effective
small garden
yea that is true...
solid gate
Plus I think a super high speed missile would have made tier 9 and 10 the worst campfest possible. And it was already super campy
small garden
plus if it were a really modern atgm no tank in this game would survive even a hit
it would be a one shot kill every time
quasi mirage
So yeah sniper mode allows some extra gun depression
But not an insane amount. It's more like a store eml
small garden
no need for gun depression if your behind a rock lol
they should make the missiles cost more
solid gate
No thanks, shells are already too expensive. And it wouldn’t solve any balance problem
small garden
it could cus then if u fire a missile there go like 5,000k of your payday
solid gate
It didn’t solve the 183 spam tho
frigid compass
thats like going the war thunder route of making repair costs astronomically high
small garden
lol
solid gate
Remember BatChat when it was first added ?
small garden
yea
solid gate
Lol one of my clanmates couldn’t even repair the tank after a few battles
50k creds repair cost 👌🏻
small garden
oof
solid gate
I wish WG would reduce shell cost for some tanks
Having to pay 1000 creds for a 105 mm shell that can’t even do 350 damage is annoying
small garden
yea
lyric oriole
It's a balancing factor
From the reality standpoint it takes more materials for a Large Calibre.
From a Balancing Standpoint, the 105mm also gets away with exposing itself less and doesn't have to worry about Repair costs often times until tier 10 vehicles where 310 Alpha Cannons are the lowest alpha
viral lodge
I mean tier 9 and 10 are meant to have a higher cost. (To force you to either get a Prem tank/time or to play tier 8 and grind credits)
forest rock
ah. i just want to suggest a new series of tanks, like the mercenaries in the console version, called blitz tanks. vehicles that require true skill to acquire and can’t be bought with gold. it would add another objective to the game and would be cool to see in the future IMO.
viral lodge
Glorified perma event tanks basically.
iron egret
Tier X British LT with autocannon suggestion:
FV510 Warrior
Gun: 30mm L21A1 RARDEN autocannon
Turret: unknown
Engine: Perkins V-8 Condor Diesel (550 hp)
Suspension: unknown
Pros:
- High top speed of 75 kph forwards and in reverse
- High spot range as it is a light tank
- 30mm autocannon that fires at a rate of 81 shots per minute (1.3 shots per second?) Since 30mm guns get around 40 alpha, that's about 3240 DPM, more than most medium tanks
- High muzzle velocity due to firing APDS rounds
fringe mulch
....cool
iron egret
Cons:
- Very low penetration at up to 110mm of penetration with APDS
- Paper armour at around 44mm of armour at max
- Even more paper armour on the turret with 25mm max
regal zealot
@iron egret 30mm guns have 25 alpha, as proven with the Vk 16.02 Leopard
iron egret
VK16.02 is 30mm? Incredible
regal zealot
3cm autocannon to be exact
viral lodge
So basically can only pen most tanks from the rear and some from the side
regal zealot
I prefer the Scorpion 90 over the Warrior for a tier X LT, but Vickers Light 105 is already confirmed
Scorpion 90 for tier X, Scorpion 76 for tier IX and the Scimitar for tier VIII; that’s my original suggestion
iron egret
The Gun M5 in the game is a 37mm and it gets 40 alpha 🤔
fast compass
37!=30
iron egret
Scorpion 90 doesnt have autocannon tho 😔
regal zealot
It does have HESH
iron egret
The Gun M6 in Blitz is 37mm and it gets 45 alpha
Ooh the Gun T16 in Blitz is 37mm and it gets 60 alpha
And eh HESH is boring we have that already at tier X with the 4202 and the confirmed LT
Also if a gun as old as the T16 gets 60 alpha, shouldnt a modern 1970s 30mm gun get 40 alpha atleast??
regal zealot
Tbf, 110mm of pen is utterly useless against tier X tanks
You really need to have a flat on side for reliable pens
fast compass
T54e1 has 105mm with 310 alpha while patton has 105mm with 350 alpha. Alpha is kind of flexible
iron egret
110mm with 3240 DPM (4050 DPM if it gets 50 alpha)
fast compass
Only
fast compass
Most mediums out dpm you, and you will struggle to pen them
iron egret
Or 4860 DPM if it gets 60 alpha 👌 😂 👌
Hmm well yea
Whats the average hull thickness of tier X mediums??
hollow belfry
What would you even do against a superheavy showing it's plain side with 110 pen?
iron egret
I mean 110mm is usually enough to pen most med's sides but front?? Maybe not
fast compass
Best of luck when you are against a e50m in that tank
iron egret
Lol yes it is quite useless when facing heavies
But it can flank with the godly 75 kph speed in both directions
It can become one of, if not the best CoD tank
regal zealot
My take is that the FV107 Scimitar at tier VIII has the RARDEN with 200mm prammo pen and 150mm standard pen. 25 alpha like the Leopard, with a clip size of 16 rounds and a total unloading speed of 1.5s. Clip reload of 9s.
This results in a DPM of 2,286
fast compass
Tbh if you are in a light tank, be afraid of e50m
regal zealot
In Armored Warfare, the Scimitar has a round capable of penning 180mm of armor
iron egret
180mm with an autocannon? Wow
2286 DPM with 180 pen doesnt seem too OP but it can pen most med's front though?
regal zealot
Hence why I dropped the standard pen to 150, with the prammo to 200/180
iron egret
I mean then it wont have a "flank to pen" nature
Ooh
Oh phew almost thought if it has 150 pen in tier VIII it'll have the same in tier X
The Warrior uses an L21A1 instead of an L21 like the Scimitar
Which means WG can make the stats different
regal zealot
I still think that the Scorpion 90 should be tier X when pitted against the Warrior
iron egret
Well the 90mm gun does make more sense than the 30mm with 110mm pen
regal zealot
And they do share the same chassis with one another
iron egret
Idk doesnt look like the Warrior's chassis
regal zealot
I meant the Scimitar and Scorpion
iron egret
So maybe the Sabre as a tier IX?
It has the L21 autocannon like the Scimitar and Scorpion chassis
But then it'll be inverted as the Scimitar is FV107 and Scorpion is FV101
Nvm the Sabre is a cheaper variant of the Scimitar so
Tier VIII = Sabre
Tier IX = Scimitar
Tier X = Scorpion/Warrior
I'd prefer Warrior cause it'd be awkward to have the predecessor as the top tier tank
solid gate
Buff Chi-Ri
solid gate
@solid gate it can cut it if you make it an MG like the lower tiers
dusky wigeon
Real life t92e1 and Sheridan
solid gate
Is the FV4005 line good ?
frigid compass
irl there was no T92E1 it was just T92 @dusky wigeon
solid gate
Pretty irrelevant after the nerfs imho, tier 7 and 9 are bad at best, Charioteer is alright but 4005 has no place in the current meta
@solid gate
Ok thx, guess I’ll just go for the Spaghetto 65 then
Yes, the tier 6 and 7 are underperforming but the 8 and 9 are beautiful
Spaghetto isn’t that bad either even post nerf
I’m at tier 6 for the moment
I was grinding some american tanks (the T57 heavy line, almost finished)
dusky wigeon
Uk turret tds always have good dpm because is made in uk, so is best to line @solid gate
solid gate
Eh I’m not on board with you guys ideas. Though Wargaming may not use any of our British light tank line proposals.
fervent zinc
I hope they put this in the game
fringe mulch
Most likely no...but it would be neat
fervent zinc
They need to finish those line they put in years ago
Just like the german one
It been years wargaming come on now
@wise moth what do you think
wise moth
Yeah, I'd like to see tier X lights as well, and just having them branch off existing tier IX meds (T-54 for the T-100, and Leo PTA for the Rhm PzW)
fervent zinc
I'm hoping wargaming is listen up and reading this
wise moth
Considering they just added the Sheridan, and are looking to add a tier 10 British light, I think odds are good that we get more tier X lights
viral lodge
It’s still 2 tier X lights within 3 tier X tech tree tanks
This is prob WG trying to move away from Heavy/Hulldown meta
solid gate
What would the tier 9s be for those 2 lines?
fervent zinc
That could be a tier 9 on the Russian lights
This could be a tier 9 on the German lights
Let the age of the light tanks begin
dapper panther
start it with revoking Leopard's and Luchs' 5.5 nerfs
karmic field
@dapper panther just a heads up the mods don't like the abbreviated form of japanese
It's a racial slur, even though everyone just uses it in the place of japanese
solid gate
Cuz 1900s america was like "negative descriptive word japanese!" But without the anese
karmic field
That term to Japanese people is essentially the same as using the N-word, even if it's less relevant these days
solid gate
The british lights are garbage tho, bad camo for their type, bad mobility compared to other lights, horrible guns, and low shell capacity, at least in WoT and not blitz
Wargaming come on. The Chi-Ri needs mobility buff or armor buff and definitely needs penetration buff.
wraith depot
@viral lodge Heavy hulldown meta is over for months. Look at twister. Only yolo.
grizzled dock
@solid gate chi ri needs armor nerf
solid gate
Bad joke
zinc condor
Now the Chi-ro advantage other than other auto reloader in tier 7 is just 1 second intraclip
solid gate
@grizzled dock You’re joking right? It’s armor is flat and completely trash.
crude gorge
The armor on the chi-ri is non-existent
solid gate
Because it’s flat and only goes up to like 75mm which isn’t near enough to stop anything at tier 7. Heck even tier 6s can go right through. Also the thing is big and sluggish. The gun is nice except the pen which is kinda weak for something so big and slow. Definitely don’t want to run into a tier 8 heavy with the thing.
iron egret
Give Chi-Ri pen buff already damnit
solid gate
Ok Chi-Ri in game is a bit heavier than it should be. Wargaming gave it a weight of 41.83 tons. However, according to this one guy it is actually 37,000kg which translates (according to Google) to 40.786 tons. Still TE says the tank was 37 tons. If we reduce the in game weight though then it should get better p/w ratio and therefore accelerate faster. Also according to TE the top speed is 45kph not 42. So that would help too. Now the armor is almost impossible to buff if you want to stick to historical accuracy. The pen though I think can be buffed.
solid gate
Ok I think the Chi-Ri weight should go down to 37 tons and up the p/w ratio a little bit. Also what I’m finding the side armor was 25-50mm which Wargaming (at least Blitz Wargaming) took as to make the turret side armor 50mm and put the hull somewhere about the middle. But this isn’t necessarily accurate. I’d say make the hull sides 50mm too. Turret and hull rear can stay the same at 50mm and 35mm respectively. Also buff the top speed to 45kph.
sturdy bane
guys i need your help
what Tier VI-IX tank(s) are considered to be the worst tech tree tanks in game
slender perch
All of them.
solid trench
Panther 2 is bad
Japanese line is very hard, no armor or mobility
T20 and Pershing are hard to do well in
Kv3 and Kv4 are pretty bad...powercreep due to alot of fast tanks in their tiers and low alpha and high reload
But panther 2 just cant bounce or carry...can be made better with an hull armor buff and just a bit of engine/traverse buff, the gun is ok
barren heath
Kv-3 got buffed so is now very good
feral ore
IS is probs better
frozen moth
Which one should I go for T57 heavy or T110e5 which is best?
deep ivy
Pls react with 👍 if LTTB deserves a legendary camo
feral ore
no
hollow belfry
No
crude gorge
no
crude plume
Having one would be fine but it doesn't need one
hoary verge
woah
hushed shadow
Ah, 5.5
sweet sapphire
Uhm guys?
solid trench
Not worth it
rigid thunder
hot garbage
hybrid olive
solid trench
And better yet, get the pen of these light tanks inline with all other light tanks
fast compass
By all other you mean the only other light tank which is a autoloader
fringe mulch
@sweet sapphire Lol 69... To bad it aint a valintine that would be better for valintines day
red grotto
any ideas how to drive a stock conq?
visual jolt
@red grotto use free XP
solid gate
Driving a stock tier 9 tank is a very bad idea for your mental health, unless you’re a masochist
red grotto
@visual jolt if I'd have any then I'll go for it
but need the top gun, got Turret reserached alreadyw
solid gate
@civic terrace No but I like this tank more than any other.
@solid trench I Aced the T20 in a battle that came down to 1 v 1 me and a Smasher. Though he had just fired to kill my VK 28 ally and that VK got a 170 roll into him which helped. Still I was on 800 something hit points and needed 3 shots to kill the Smasher.
solid gate
Also tier 9 stock tanks are generally the worst stock tanks to play.
Stock Leo PT A still gives me nightmares
ebon linden
Is the T55a worth buying?
lyric oriole
It's more than a good price. However I would only recommend doing so if you already have a tier 10, T-55a isn't a super easy tank to use.
ebon linden
Thanks
teal yarrow
Any idea when these atgm r being removed??
Literally tired of them, can’t even use a proper medium ,
Bought 121b but literally didn’t play it even 1 game
Just had a game where enemy had 2 sheridan
Literally their med spotted and all they did was use missile from ridge where I can’t even shoot them back
Getting tired of this game and tier 8-10
Waste of mood until u start playing sheridan urself
quasi mirage
i mean the t22 is probably the best tank to counter missiles 😛 considering the overhead angle of the missiles means their pen is horrible against the t22 med
livid vale
it did not state the names
sweet sapphire
Vk 28.01 line is better than The other line
tulip sail
You can choose either but I dont recommend the top one
rancid mauve
Anyone else enjoying the T92E1 with Calibrated Shells?? Pen is fantastic!
solid gate
I picked both actually, bottom line is fun and the other is ok
@livid vale Can you tell us the names of those tanks?
teal yarrow
Vk28 line is more fun
I mean surely if u get ur hands set on SPIC
solid gate
Man SP is not fun. It gets bullied badly and I think it still has low shell velocity on both guns. Especially the autoloader.
teal yarrow
Well, it was better before the nerf
Now auto loader is eh , 3 secs between clip
solid gate
I didn’t like it back when I first played it. So second time around I skipped it for RU which is a lot more fun even if challenging in some ways itself.
teal yarrow
I won't suggest playing games RU 251 in these missile spam time
livid vale
@solid gate they are fictional tanks
Heres link if you want to see more of this guy tho or tanks that look alike
solid gate
I didn’t say I was playing RU in this update. But it was good prior to update 6.7.
teal yarrow
Yep ,before it was better ,indeed
solid gate
I may not play it right now. Heck even the Tiger II is a struggle against T92E1s when it gets put against tier 9s. Wouldn’t want to deal with them with RU. Though I am crazy enough to play T49 which gets hurt by itself and T92E1 badly.
livid vale
Ru is nice but against these lights its not
solid gate
Well right now focused on T28 Prot and Tiger II as well as T49. Chi-Ri I don’t want to play much until they lower the weight and buff the p/w to say around 17hp/t and definitely up the penetration on both AP and the prammo. Not that I use prammo myself but it seems like it wouldn’t be much more useful than the standard AP. T20 I did Ace but it’s generally not a fun tank due to longish reload and poor armor. Max armor I think is the 88mm on the turret which will rarely bounce and that’s usually from like the Comet gun. Anything bigger will punch right through. And T20 isn’t the quickest medium I think. Still even T20 is better than Chi-Ri.
Oh and buff the Chi-Ri top speed to 45kph. These mobility buffs aren’t too much but they will help.
solid gate
Eh I don’t care for the missiles on the T92E1 and Sheridan anyway. I wouldn’t be very good with them I bet. I’d rather use the APCR.
solid gate
Well I’m in no rush. Tiers 7 and 8 is my most comfortable tiers generally. Though I do get frustrated with the being uptiered so often and losing because my higher tier teammates suck. I cannot do anything to compensate for their inadequacy a lot of the time.
teal yarrow
Well coming update they will nerf heat pen n dmg
So I was like just get sheri,u can play it later if not much for now
Pen isn't much of problem.since on cs still u can get good pen
But dmg
solid gate
I’d rather not join the crowd of ATGM spammers anyway. Ridiculous how out of hand that’s getting. And yeah they are nerfing the HEAT in particular for good reason. Still they need to make the missiles where you cannot shoot them while hiding behind obstacles. Now the nerfing of the APCR pen by 10mm I’m not sure about.
rancid mauve
I’m enjoying the T92 with Calibrated Shells. Running around derping people just like the T49
solid gate
Remove what? The missiles? A lot of players agree with that idea. But removing the tanks is not necessary. Maybe change the missiles to rockets. Rockets have to be fired from line of sight.
frigid compass
rockets means no guidance at all
wg should make the missiles actually act like EARLY ATGMs
solid gate
@rancid mauve I’d show a funny of a T49 with the derp gun missing my T49.
@frigid compass Not sure if they players who complain now wouldn’t still complain with the proper ATGMs those tanks had being mounted on them instead. If they used straight shot missiles/rockets then you couldn’t complain as much as they’d be a lot like regular shells but with fins or something. Still what we all agree on is the missiles they have right now have to go.
frigid compass
well proper early atgms means no bullcrap shooting over cover and needing a line of sight while still being able to guide the shell
solid gate
Well this is all Wargaming’s fault for not doing proper research. Like the Chi-Ri in game being heavier than it was irl. I don’t think they research near thoroughly enough if at all on these tanks.
viral lodge
A good way to balance is make them a line of sight based but keep their pen, so basically high pen but slow shots, personally wouldn’t mind it.
solid gate
Eh the pen to me shouldn’t be higher than the Bat-Chat’s HEAT pen. Even if they are line of sight you can still potentially guide them into the sides of tanks. You don’t need 300+ millimeters if pen to pen the sides of most, if not all, tanks. Especially if you can hit them at 90 degrees on or close to that.
solid gate
I really think the poll is just a waste imo
visual jolt
@solid gate typically people post aces in #screenshots
solid gate
Sorry bout that
visual jolt
@solid gate oh idc I’m just letting you know lol
neat nimbus
OK so I should grind for the Japanese TDs or stay straight
magic ledge
what's the FV 4005 legendary camo name?
lyric oriole
Lemme check
Doesn't have one, but the Attachment is called Royal Treatment @magic ledge
magic ledge
so when you equip it and its name in battle will become FV 4005 royal treatment? @lyric oriole
lyric oriole
Nah
solid gate
Ok the Rudy at least existed in WoT PC at tier 6 alongside the T-34-85M. Why? If they are more or less the same tank...... Just why?
neat nimbus
Dang I wish there's was a event to get a decent tier 7 tank
I know lunar flame event WG gave the option to get at least a tank for free
tulip sail
@solid gate because the rudy is actually from a polish movie
Which mkes it different enough to put in
solid gate
@tulip sail wasn’t it a polish show?
tulip sail
For some reason I thought it was a show turned into a movie
Nah just a book and tv show
solid gate
Well obviously people won’t want the T-34-85M since we already have the Rudy. Basically the same tank. However, one is stuck with a unique camo while the other can get any camo in the list.
tulip sail
Not necessarily
If the t-34-85m becomes a premi in blitz it could have different stats of even different credits
solid gate
T-34-85m has more engine power iirc
tulip sail
Just look how the fury is different from the M4A3E8 and the loza (comparing the loza bc irl the fury is actually an m4a2e8)
solid gate
Well I’d love to have the T-34-85M even if I didn’t get it right away. Also isn’t there an IS-M in PC? I know either that or or IS-2M is the IS-2Sh but the other one is different.
Is-2SH is the rear turret one it’s called IS-M in pc it seems
magic ledge
Tips for the Waffle auf Pz IV?
solid gate
@magic ledge play near the frontline, ur camo is just crazy, dont be afraid to use it, use the 640 alpha gun, use HE a lot for quick peek a boom
magic ledge
@solid gate the 15cm max gun on RHm?
magic ledge
ah i'm still stock all the gun @solid gate
solid gate
focus on getting that one, that is the main gun you will use
magic ledge
yeah i know but which gun for stock grind?
the 128 higher pen or 150 higher damage? @solid gate
solid gate
higher dmg
magic ledge
yeah but its pen sucks @solid gate
solid gate
that is what you will have to deal with
rancid mauve
It’s an easy tank to grind stock. Just aim your shots and don’t be scared to throw HEAR if your AP can’t pen
broken turtle
should i get the v-2k engine for kv-1?
glass crypt
ig yeah, it is the second eng on the kv2, and the stock on the kv1s
no reason not to
solid gate
Can anyone get armor inspector images of the Excelsior? I want to see armor values the game doesn’t show us.
rancid mauve
@solid gate don’t bother with the tank. There are other more effective and more Gun tank in tier 5.
solid gate
@rancid mauve That’s not advice I require. Good day.
rancid mauve
@solid gate pfff🤪
kind summit
I have gotten so much advice bu in the end I just can’t seem to play the caernarvon well. Is there anything I don’t know about playing it?
rancid mauve
@solid gate instead of asking for other people to do the work for you, why not save everyone’s time and maybe do it yourself?🤔 Good evening.
empty python
So do IS-5 worth at all? ❓ Should I buy it?
rancid mauve
@empty python absolutely. For 1.5k gold, you’re getting yourself a bargain!
solid gate
any t8 premium is worth 1.5k
empty python
😂 👍
iron egret
Cursed image
Sherman VC is British for Medium Tank M4A4
As you can see that is clearly not an M4A4 that is a IC Hybrid with a 17-pounder
glass crypt
ever thought about how multiple tanks may or may not have used the same suspension because it was what they had and it was good 🦐
iron egret
All Sherman VVSS models have the same suspension, but the IC and the VC is different, the VC hull is lengthened to fit literally 5 British engines
Same VVSS, same sprocket, same idler, but different distance between road wheels
glass crypt
oh
solid gate
Some one play am a vIII
solid gate
@rancid mauve I may have to but I have to work and cannot look while working. Geez. Get off my back.
@iron egret So it’s a M4A1 Hybrid model?
iron egret
Yes, M4A1 cast front and transmission cover with welded rear
solid gate
See I don’t like that model for the Firefly. Though I don’t know all of which Sherman models they turned into Fireflies but that one has to be the worst.
iron egret
Agreed
It couldve been the British M4A4 model with British engine, but they just used that one with the radial engine
solid gate
They should have used the Sherman III model from PC or that. Also why does the Sherman V we have look wrong too by that logic?
iron egret
We dont have a Sherman V in game? Except the M4/FL10 which uses what looks like the M4A4/V chassis
Just need to check the engine but i dont have it
solid gate
Yes, we do. It was made collector and I still have it.
iron egret
Wait what
Show pic of it in garage 🙏
solid gate
Sherman V used to lead to the Firefly but they removed it from the tech tree. Hold on.
iron egret
What the heck
How is that a Sherman V
solid gate
It uses the short barrel 75mm as top gun instead of American M4’s 76mm.
iron egret
Sounds bad
tulip sail
It's not excellent but it certainly isn't that bad
Save for pen it's got the best gun stats over the 75mm and 76mm for the us m4
solid gate
Hello
lyric oriole
Sherman V is a good tier 5
rapid barn
It’s a premium and a collector at he same time??
thick trout
I'm guessing it's been enriched because it's just a collector
lyric oriole
I Enriched it before it became a Collector's Vehicle alongside any other vehicle that could be enriched that was removed in 5.5
kind summit
rotund palm
Nice
kind summit
Okay this is epic
rotund palm
I don't wanna Gamble my money on Containers
solid gate
I think I enriched my Sherman V too.
tulip sail
I should have
solid gate
I even enriched the M7 so it is my only enriched tier IV.
tulip sail
I haven't enriched any yet but theres a few I would bit haven't felt like
solid gate
I have enriched tanks that frustrated me for losing credits at first. Like the M41 Bulldog. As I got better with it and with the enrichment I actually started earning credits with it.
tulip sail
Nice
magic ledge
enrich T49
tulip sail
That's actually a good idea
solid gate
I intend to.
solid gate
T49 enriched sounds P fun
solid gate
Why does the T28 traverse so slowly? I mean my T28 Prot traverses at 32-33 degrees per second on the tracks. Plus the turret goes at 21-22 degrees per second. The normal T28 should have more track traverse than the Prot seeing as how it doesn’t have a turret. At least 35 degrees per second.
Oh and if normal T92 were added it should be at tier 7 not 8. In fact it should be tier 7 at highest in PC too from what I can gather.
solid gate
Ok I see where Wargaming messed up with Excelsior. The main armor is too thin on the sides. It should be 51mm along the fighting compartment and 38(.1) along the engine deck. Now not sure about the slightly sloped part on the front. Most of the armor is right but it sucks against the guns it comes up against. Still I think that side armor needs fixing.
That doesn’t show the side armor values but it did come from TE. As you can see Wargaming made some parts of the Excelsior’s armor thicker than they should be and some parts thinner than they should be. Also the tank should get more gun depression over the front by 1 degree. Not much difference but it can make a difference. Oh and the turret rear (which it doesn’t show there) is actually 76.2mm thick not 92mm.
solid gate
What tank can i buy?
VK.30.01 it more armored and more hp and penetration
VK.28.01 idk
hollow belfry
Go for the VK 30.01 and get the Panther
solid gate
Plz add the fuel tank on the maus, it would look bigger and better
civic terrace
@solid gatevk 28.01
solid gate
@solid gate get more gold for exchange it to free xp and use it for vk30.01d and for research Panther so you don't have to play vk30.01d just grind the Panther and get research for Tiger 2 - simple..
Well it's feel so faster if you always login to the game every day and watch the ads for 5 times and get 50 gold per day
solid gate
Maus is better atm
tall basin
@solid gate how about e100
solid gate
E 100 is still good too
elfin meadow
IS-2Sh yay or nay?
solid trench
Nay
vestal night
Err..is VK 90.01(P) powerful? In fact, I don’t know how to play this tank well
elfin meadow
maybe you shouldnt have payed $!00's to buy it then
vestal night
1 snow globe
dapper panther
@vestal night it's a tier8 tank amongst tier9-10 beaters....low chance of survival
west cargo
Frontal armor isn’t terrible. But angle the turret at all and they’ll go through the sides. To be honest if this either replaced VK. B or came after it that’d be cool.
@vestal night
solid gate
@dapper panther ?? @vestal night the vk is very strong, very good normal ammo pen, good frontal armour and very nice to use 10 degrees gun depr at the side, it is a massive pain in the a.. for mediums )
solid gate
VK 90 should have been the lighter VK 75 from PC.
solid gate
@hollow belfry ok
iron egret
Ok
short flame
Vk90 is a very good thick tank @vestal night it can sidescrape with 700mm effective, it has unovermatchable engine deck so doesn't suffer face hug against other super heavies, it has better LP than e100 and better upper than maus, with the best 460 alpha gun tier X HT
still, vk90 is not super heavy, it just cant bounce all round stuff like e100 and maus, something slightly L-R than turret centre will pen with ap
frigid compass
the engine deck is overmatchable by one tank
short flame
KKK
try facehugging vk90 in fv183 before dying in the try of reaching it
viral lodge
So basically a better armoured VK 72 with a lower alpha gun?
woeful pumice
Yeah and it can actually side scrape
modern solstice
From what I've seen in battle, it is a very competent sidescraped with it's rear mounted turret, sides are quite strong without the turret mount weakspot on the VK72 I've seen
grizzled dock
E-100 or jagpanzer
iron egret
VK 72 is a joke lol
hallow briar
KV-220 BT is the fifty shades of OPness
In realistic mode... my friend Brazil14n just blocked 2560 dmg
That's a tier 7 armor
Btw, today I bought the FCM 50 t in steam DLC
The tank isn't that bad, I liked the hard play style
But i feel like if the tank need something more
Idk, it's a good one but can't take care of most of another medium tanks
real pulsar
@grizzled dock jagpanzer, cause more armor and damage. Its worth not having the turret traverse.
solid gate
Doesn’t PC have 2 versions of the KV-220?
solid gate
@hallow briar What’s the difference between it and Beta Test?
hallow briar
I don't see any difference
solid gate
So one should be for Beta Testers and the other for everyone else I presume?
hallow briar
In theory, the turret would be different, in the plans it would have a better turret but the factories stopped producing KV-1 and variations so it came to combat like how is in WOTB
solid gate
Well presuming WoTB has a beta phase then only the beta testers should have the Beta Test version. The version to pop up for sale should be named KV-220-2 not KV-220 Beta Test.
hallow briar
Yes but actually no
solid gate
shakes head I’d rather have the KV-220-2 since I’m not a beta player.
hallow briar
Actually there is no difference between BT version and 220-2 version
It's just name
solid gate
I know but Beta Test isn’t a proper name for a tank.
hallow briar
Yes
solid gate
-2 at the end makes more sense than Beta Test. Goofy Wargaming.
hallow briar
I started playing on 5.2 version and in theory I'm a beta tester vehicle owner
solid gate
Wait what? Now I’m confused. How is playing pre update 5.2 being in the beta phase? I thought that would be way way back. Like update 0.# or so. Though I don’t have my newbie account anymore. That account was back in the 3.# or 4.# range.
hallow briar
I have kv-220 BT cuz I bought it, not cuz I'm a beta tester
solid gate
Oh! I misunderstood. But NA players cannot buy it as they don’t sell it on NA.
hallow briar
The Pz. 4 Hydr. Is as popular in NA as KV-220 BT in EU
solid gate
the VK90 is like an M103 uptiered to tier 10 with a little better frontal armor
Honestly if they do sell it on NA it should be renamed KV-220-2 as should every other one except for the ones given to those who were actual Beta Test players. If any still exist.
pretty underwhelming if you ask me
hallow briar
I have seen only one pz 4 Hydr. In all my games, you NA guys are very lucky
solid gate
I used to have one but I sold it after 5.5 purge
What makes Pz IV Hydrostat popular? I bought it and hardly play it. Heck I hardly ever see anyone else play it. Also the regular Pz IV is much better since armor buff.
rapid barn
It’s because it’s rare
solid gate
Hydrostat might be slightly more mobile still but otherwise it’s worse than Pz IV.
rapid barn
I want t34 so badly. Anyone know when it might come for a 25% discount
hallow briar
I understand the popularity of kv-220, it's the incarnation of OPness, tier 7 armor, strong engine, fast shoot and as fast as KV-1
solid gate
it's pretty useless but it used to be more of a flex than anything
especially when I had the rare purple grey football camo on it
hallow briar
But Pz 4 Hydr is nothing unless a wtf pz 4
solid gate
Because hardly anybody buys it. They put it for sale and most ignore it. They’d rather have a tier 7+ tank in most cases or something more interesting than a Pz IV with funny rear.
rapid barn
Wt auf pz e100 anyone???
hallow briar
Nah @rapid barn
solid gate
No! Big no!
rapid barn
Just giving WG an idea to break tier 10...
solid gate
I heard about how that broke PC. If it was that bad on PC imagine what it would do to Blitz.
rapid barn
Hehehe ik. They tried nerfing it but whatever they did it was still op af
solid gate
Man tiers 8-10 are already in bad shape since ATGMs were introduced. We don’t need to break them completely.
rapid barn
It could 1 clip 2 tier 8 or 9 tanks before it was removed
hallow briar
Want a good idea for Break tier 10? @rapid barn
Jagdpanther with BL-10, Super Pershing extra armor and AMX CDC engine
iron egret
Because WG sucks at nerfing
rapid barn
@hallow briar 183 with 2 guns, Sheridan engine and Maus armour
solid gate
Where did they even come up with that thing anyway? Seems completely made up. I bet I couldn’t find any info on a WT E 100.
rapid barn
@solid gate I guess it was a historically accurate blueprint of what Germany wanted to achieve
hallow briar
There was a blueprint for even pz 10, but it don't mean it's real @rapid barn
solid gate
Well I’d rather get British A series tanks. Though there are no pics of some like the A32.
iron egret
Or the A20
rapid barn
@hallow briar ik it wasn’t real ofc. The tech they wanted to put into it at the time was too much
solid gate
@hallow briar What does that mean? That someone made it up and made it to look historically accurate?
rapid barn
It’s. Concept idea in some sort of ways. Like the jg pz e100. An e100 with a bigger gun
Based of the Maus but not as big but just as big
hallow briar
I mean germans made a pz 10 blueprint for trick American spies @solid gate, same for pz 9 but don't mean they would do it
tulip sail
Or jagdpanther 2
solid gate
There is even an A37 “Super Excelsior” which is comparable to the A30 Challenger. 17 pounder gun. I seen someone drew up their interpretation of the design of the A37.
rapid barn
They need to add the 60tp to blitz. A challenger for the IS7
Plus it’s a new nation. Or maybe they could incorporate it into the european tech tree
Because the 14tp is already in the line. They should make it branch off
hallow briar
European tech tree is actually very poor, it needs a new line
rapid barn
@hallow briar the 60tp
solid gate
Heh. The only other American light tanks they could have done for tiers 9 and 10. But they are possibly still currently in use somewhere. Even if they are no longer being produced. There are 3 of these possible ones I know of.
rapid barn
Or the kranvagn. That thing is a better 50b
hallow briar
I would talk about Swedish heavies, but 60tp is a good one too @rapid barn
solid gate
60TP would make E100 obsolete
Kranvagn is indeed the Emil III which they should have called it that instead. Kranvagn was a cover name for the whole project.
hallow briar
E100 is already obsolete @solid gate
rapid barn
They can’t add the Swedish tds because they have a different playstyle. Siege mode as I recall
solid gate
That’s a dam lie @hallow briar
rapid barn
They need to add 60tp though I would make the grind
hallow briar
I never had problems to kill this One, it's a fatter maus, maybe even a worse maus @solid gate
solid gate
I hear people are winging about E 100 lower plate being weak. Especially now. It’s gotten worse over time. Power creep.
hallow briar
I think E100 is obsolete and a buff would be cool
solid gate
If e100 was obsolete it wouldn’t be one of the most spammed heavies of all time
rapid barn
E100 vs 60tp would be a fight I’m willing to see. Or 60tp vs IS7. The big bois
solid gate
Yet people cannot handle the flat turret cheeks and fat lower plate. Get penned easily making it less a super heavy and more a regular heavy with huge size.
hallow briar
I would pay for see a 50B vs a kranvagn @rapid barn
rapid barn
@solid gate you are the dog of wisdom but the e100 isn’t as played as it was. It’s good but not the best as it was in the past
@hallow briar same here. But the kranvagn is the hull down god. It would literally rek anything over a hill
solid gate
I heard they made the Emil III armor in PC thicker than what the real thing was to have.
rapid barn
However the 50b has a chance. It could put manuver a kranvagn. It’s super slow compared to a 50b
@solid gate ofc they did. It’s WG
solid gate
Also speaking of T10 US lights you forgot 2 existing candidates
hallow briar
The armor is WOTB and in WOT aren't realistic, the obj 704 is much different than irl @solid gate
solid gate
actually 3 existing US lights to be exact
For the record says Emil III (Kranvagn) should be less armored and faster than what PC has. So it’ll be much more like the 50B but probably still have slightly better armor from my understanding.
rapid barn
I wouldn’t grind the obj 704 in pc. Th isu isn’t fun
solid gate
The turret of kranvagn does have insane thickness but that’s because of the insane angle the gun depression gives it @solid gate
rapid barn
@solid gate they’ll make it broken if they do add it and need it later
hallow briar
For me, ISU 152 with BL-10 is the best tier 8 TD @rapid barn
rapid barn
@solid gate 15 degrees if I’m right
solid gate
@solid gate You talking about Stingray, Expeditionary tank, and uh forgot the other one’s name all of the sudden.
rapid barn
@hallow briar the removed the bl 10 from the isu in wot pc
hallow briar
Ouch
solid gate
buford HSTV and stingray RDF/LT could fit aswell
rapid barn
F for wot pc players. We should be glad we still have the bl 10
solid gate
@solid gate I think the guy was saying the base armor was wrong not the angling from using gun depression. Same with the mobility.
Hull armor is a bit inaccurate mobility wise it’s a bit slower aswell
hallow briar
Czech tanks are a good option too, we already have a czec tank in game (T-25)
solid gate
ISU-152 with BL-10 is kinda mad in Blitz too to be honest.
@hallow briar Another medium line for the Pan-Euro nation. That nation will have a ton of medium tanks we keep thinking up medium tank lines for it.
@solid gate Right! The M8 is the Buford right?
hallow briar
German nation have two TD lines, why not two medium tank lines in other nation? @solid gate
Same for Americans, they have two TD lines
solid gate
The Expeditionary tank doesn’t seem to have a turret really. It’s a funny tiny gun mount on top of a hull. Not much to shoot at besides the hull.
hallow briar
Germans have 3 heavy tank lines
solid gate
Buford is called M8
Also EXP tank is a completely separate class of tank
@hallow briar I already gave them 2 medium lines for the Pan-Euro nation. Swiss and Swedish. Also Swedish light tanks. Want to switch to TDs if possible. Problem is other than Sweden nobody has any vehicles that can be classified as TDs above tier 7. Italian SPGs could be made into TDs as they have casemates like SU and ISU.
@solid gate Everything I found calls it a light tank. So don’t even go there.
hallow briar
I bet if WG still working in pan European line, they'll make Swedish heavies on polish heavies, but I would bet more in polish heavies, since they're already working in a polish heavy tank premium
solid gate
Yeah it’s the United Defense M8 Armored Gun System that I’m talking about.
@solid gate perhaps i worded that wrongly but the tank itself has far too many unique attributes that wargaming will not allow into the game
hallow briar
Now I noticed in one thing, for premium tank ideas they're fast as light, but for big new lines they're very very very slow
solid gate
I didn’t say they had to. In fact I’m not expecting any of those 3 tanks. But they could consider something other than a modified Sheridan and a made up T92E1.
Buford stingray and HSTV are on the table EXP tank I feel would be too advanced
tulip sail
I wouldn't be surprised if they added the Buford as a premi
solid gate
If they did that will be the only time I actually do spend my money
hallow briar
Today a Sherman variation is creativity from WG, nowadays they are only taking popular tanks and making the "copy and paste" but with a different design
Like defenders, SU-130 PM, etc
tulip sail
I mean theres a lot of unique Sherman's they could add that would add to the game
hallow briar
Btw, there is about 10 Sherman variations/modification/improved versions in game @tulip sail
tulip sail
I'll get the list after my game
hallow briar
M4A1 REV.
M4/FL10
M4A3E2
M4A3E8
M4A3E8 FURY
M4A3E8 LOZA's
M4 Sherman
T6E1 count like Sherman too
M4 Sherman firefly
Sherman V
M4A3E4
T14 is based on M4A2, and this M4 is a sherman
This is Sherman family in game
Wait
Do we have M4A3 too?
Oh Yes, I already counted this one
@tulip sail that's why we don't need more shermans
Sleep time, guys
Gtg
tulip sail
Dont forget m10 and m36
solid gate
Actually I see why you say that. The Expeditionary tank had an unmanned turret for one thing. But there were other AGS projects including a CCVL tank, AGS Sheridan, and another AGS tank.
@solid gate yeah I got the HV gun on the Sheridan image and on the APC
They could pick any but the “turretless” Expeditionary tank. Unmanned turret and whatever else it too advanced. Still if they remove the T92E1 and Sheridan entirely I think they will need to add more conventional light tanks to tiers 9 and 10 for the American nation.
The HSTV line I proposed would be a pretty unique play style instead of having a fake T92 mod t92 would be incorporated and spread off the T71 line where it sits at T8 after t92 is the RDF/LT after The T9 sits the HSTV
tulip sail
Also side not the fury isn't an A3 its actually a late A2
neat nimbus
kinda feel WG is gonna give a less played tank in twister event this year
tulip sail
Maybe what one do you think?
solid gate
I’m betting it’s probably gonna be one of the WZs or the centi defender
tulip sail
Idk I'm feeling maybe one that's not been sold in a long time
solid gate
I don’t think the T92 would do well at tier 8 unless you gave it fake gun that’s 90mm. 76mm gun is bad for tier 8. Even if on a mobile tank.
iron egret
Panther 8.8 Twister
solid gate
I’d just stick with what we have but do the AGS Sheridan and M8 (Buford) or Stringray or AGS version of Stingray at tier 10. But I doubt they’d do that. Even if the projects for those tanks were started before 1990/1991. Whenever the Cold War was declared over. Of course most modern MBTs started in that late part of that era too but unlike them the lights don’t have the composite armor. However, I’m confused about the ones with Aluminium. What is that?
tulip sail
That's what I am was thinking was the 8.8
solid gate
@solid gate the aluminum was chosen to save weight and because it’s easy to form
But T92 had an insane rate of fire aswell you could try the PC bulldog approach and give it a 5 round mag probably going up a shell in the mag every tier
Except the Blitz Bulldog’s autoloader sucks. I don’t know about PC if it has that gun but it really does suck. No reason to use it over the single shot.
@solid gate Also it says Aluminium on the American ones while VFM 5 is Aluminum. I don’t know the difference in the 2 metals.
neat nimbus
i bet is the jagtiger 8,8 cm or tier 7 no so sold often
solid gate
I wonder is T49’s 90mm should get a buff. I think it’s underestimated since everybody (except a select few) use the derp gun. Still it’s reload is a bit longer than the RU’s which is funny since the T49 is taller. However, T49 may (or may not) accelerate faster than RU and probably can retain (more of) it’s gun depression over the rear.
gritty lintel
Do you think WG will ever add tanks like the T-72 or the T-62?
solid gate
@solid gate mostly no difference although interesting enough VFM MK5 has some strange rounded pieces on its hull compared to the M8
Which T-62? Aren’t there variants of it?
@solid gate Then why use a different name for the metal?
@solid gate you didn’t know? The UK and US spell things differently
Example color-colour tire tyre and etc
I was always under the impression is was aluminum. Why the heck would the US military change it from what civilians know? Besides people pronounce them differently.
Also this what I was talking about by VFMs a bit more smoother
Is this just me or i feel bad for IS-7 user
I see. Anyway I’d wait to see if they can balance the ATGM tanks. If they cannot and remove the tanks themselves entirely I vote for making AGS Sheridan tier 9 and then adding a tier 10 with a 105mm rifled gun too. Could be any of them except the Expeditionary tank.
I still don’t know if that’s just added on armor or a modified hull
I wouldn’t know either.
gritty lintel
WG should move the time periods of the tanks forwards in the game, adding things like the M1 Abrams, and adding maps in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
solid gate
VFM 5 seems more center turreted while Scorpion variants and the RO2004 are rear turreted. A46 and the FV301 are more frontal or center turreted too.
M1 came almost 2 decades after Vietnam
gritty lintel
I know, but still they should still move the time periods forward a bit.
solid gate
XM1? The prototype of the original M1.
Afghanistan also came way after any M1 variant besides A1
gritty lintel
Maybe the XM1 as well, I mean they included the prototype of the T-26 I think, the American tank destroyer as well as the actual T-26.
solid gate
They should make the deadline year 1991. If anything was started after that it’s no go. But more importantly no smoothbore guns and composite armor like Chobham.
I feel like they should stop near the first upgrade variants of the technically first true MBTS
Like the M1A1 and so on? Of course for British that might be the Challenger I.
gritty lintel
@solid gate What about the MBT-70?
solid gate
Mbt 70 is t10 material despite how dumb that sounds it’s sorta true
Would MBT-80 be too much by that standard?
250mm of armor which it’s rated at is not enough to withstand M1 or M1A1
I don’t think there’s enough info to make stats on mbt 80
obsidian snow
183 HE shell would kill the crew of a tank instantly
gritty lintel
Also, on the topic of Main Battle Tanks, what about the Merkava, or is that to far in the future?
solid gate
Hmmm. Fair enough. And Strv 2000 T140/40 is odd as well. For armor it just says it’s 800mm RHA equivalent against AP rounds. Against HEAT it’s even more effective.
Merkava is a bit of a gray area
iron egret
There are Merkavas made out of M48 Pattons right?
gritty lintel
I think so, I'm not sure.
solid gate
There’s a ton and I mean a ton of variants on merkava marks it’s a pain to think which one would fit
Aren’t they on the Merkava IV? You might could do a prototype variant of the first one if there is enough info on it.
No those are called magachs or sabras
iron egret
Merkava M48 with M48 turret
iron egret
But it can be a tier X 😂
gritty lintel
Actually, now that I think about it, doesnt the Merkava look somewhat like a T92E1?
solid gate
Not really? Only similarity is the rear turret
iron egret
The Merkava is more like T92 than E1
solid gate
There is a A33/A34 Hybrid I’d like to see in game. Tier 6 maybe?
gritty lintel
Hold on.
solid gate
There’s also a M48 that uses the leopard 2 weapons system same thing with m60-2000
I don’t know what Merkava might be based on if it’s based on any previous tank.
iron egret
Ah yes M48 hull with Leopard 2 turret
Hulldown beast
gritty lintel
You know what would be a pain to deal with if it was in the game?
solid gate
Random: CV90105 and CV90120 are definitely modern as modern developments can be from what I can tell.
@solid gate so got info on the VFM5 hull difference apparently MK5 can mount era
@gritty lintel What?
gritty lintel
The M50 Ontos
solid gate
@solid gate ERA? What is that again?
iron egret
Magach 7
These can legit be tier X in the game
solid gate
That rocket tank? Yeah, that’s ridiculous @gritty lintel.
Should Israel be a nation then? I mean it’s not exactly part of Europe so it cannot be in the Pan-Euro nation.
gritty lintel
And on PC they have Armored cars right? So why not add other vehicles with tracks into the game?
solid gate
problem with Israel was that they didn't exist before 1947
Technically the T7 Car is a tracked armored car with machine gun.
@solid gate also something p interesting VFM5 has 4 crewman and the turret appears to tilt 3 degrees forward
iron egret
Yeah we need more different tier X tanks instead of more boring premiums
Make games more diverse and tourneys have more metas
Bruh MLRS would be broken
rapid barn
Yes
solid gate
Halftracks would stir up a lot of problems for WG
@solid gate Huh. That is interesting. Well it’s still best choice for a real tier 10 British light tank. The Vickers Light 105 is silly.
@solid gate sadly VfM fires APFSDS
iron egret
The only reason why WG is not adding armoured cars isnt cause they'd break the game it's just cause they cant make the wheels turn when you turn
rapid barn
They should make an update where we can individually train the crews of each tank seperatly like wot pc
solid gate
That doesn’t mean anything. Liberties. Something Wargaming has taken before.
@rapid barn Um no thanks. That’s too complicated.
Wargaming wouldn’t add a tank that fires APFSDS chief T95 was an exception but they still just classed it as APCR
rapid barn
@solid gate isnt blitz already complicated?
obsidian snow
Am I right in saying that the 183 wasn’t designed to fire AP?
solid gate
Whatever. I don’t care for some stupid made up Vickers light that didn’t exist. VFM 5 looks a lot better anyway.
No it was actually @obsidian snow
iron egret
Centurion 7/1 can fire APFSDS
Challenger at tier 7 can fire APFSDS
Centurion 1 can fire APDFSDS
Even Comet can fire APFSDS
solid gate
@rapid barn Let’s not make it more so. Kapeesh.
gritty lintel
I was gonna say what about the Bradley, but thats an APC and would get destroyed almost immediatley when going up against tanks.
solid gate
There’s a report on 183 AP tests that states it decapitated a centurions turret and split a conquerors mantlet in half
@iron egret I’m p sure you mean APDS
iron egret
Okay well yes
solid gate
Bradley is an IFV.
obsidian snow
Heard the same thing but with HESH
rapid barn
It would be cool if they made a graphics update. For devices that could run it
iron egret
But its still sabot
solid gate
Yes but APFSDS have different sabots from APDS or atleast function completely differently
rapid barn
Or animated tracks. Even bullet hole marks on tanks
solid gate
What difference does it make if it has fins or not? It’s not a bloody missile is it? No? I didn’t think so.
APDS has a more round shot APFSDS is a straight up dart
I’d think of a APFSDS round as like a rocket in some ways. Just smaller.
rapid barn
Yes
solid gate
Rockets are more like heat shells
rapid barn
Yes
solid gate
Well if we can have blast it missiles then APFSDS isn’t a problem.
rapid barn
No
solid gate
APFSDS is more like angry shards piercing you and tearing you apart in less than a second all while burning you
rapid barn
Yes
iron egret
When will HEAT in Blitz not get stopped by tracks
rapid barn
Idk
tulip sail
Never
iron egret
Sheridan isnt actually immune to HEAT irl
solid gate
Well change it to APDS then. It’s not like this game is even close to historically accurate anyway. I want my VFM 5. It took me hours of searching to put that tank line together dang it!
rapid barn
Yes
gritty lintel
Actually nevermind, there is an IFV that could possibly do something to a tank. The OBRUM PL-01 IFV.
rapid barn
Yes
iron egret
Its armour is too thin to deflect most modern HEAT's jet, even when weakened by spaced armour
rapid barn
Yes
solid gate
@solid gate id stop complaining if I were you since it’s an L7 it’s compatible with all other L7 ammunition’s in the game etc centi 4202 leopard 121b
solid gate
PL-01 is a Polish light tank I think. What’s the OBRUM?
rapid barn
Yes
iron egret
And using 155mm HE on a Sheridan would like split it in half or something
gritty lintel
Its an IFV, and OBRUM stands for something in another language.
solid gate
PL-01 is that’s the right one I’m thinking of where it’s the “invisible tank” is a heavily modified Cv-90 chassis just for show
obsidian snow
Lol aluminium armour vs HE
iron egret
Dummy thick CV-90
solid gate
Wait FV-215b is the 183. Wikipedia may not be a great site but it lists an FV-215a. What would that have been?
gritty lintel
@solid gate
solid gate
@solid gate Also I just feel like you are trying to shut down my idea which took time to put together. Sorry if I’m too negative but I love the idea.
@gritty lintel Alrighty then.
I’m not trying to shut it down I’m supporting it
gritty lintel
But the thing is with the PL-01, is the gun it has I think could possibly do some damage to a tank, maybe like the armor of an M7?
solid gate
@solid gate Well if you are you have a funny way of showing it. Of course others have legit argued against it and have their own British light tank ideas. However, their ideas I strongly disagree with as it puts too small of guns at high tiers.
Who ever suggested the scorpion family has to stay at tier 5
I never put it at tier 5 myself. The 76mm one is at tier 6. The 90mm one is at tier 8. Logical. But putting the 30mm RARDEN at tier 8 or tier 9 is a very bad idea.
iron egret
Why 🤔
An old 122mm gun (D-25T) compared to a modern 122mm gun in Blitz (BL-9 i think) has the alpha difference of 400 to 420
Looking at that, if an old 37mm gun such as the T6 (from tier IV) in Blitz can have 60 alpha, then surely a modern 30mm can have 60 alpha?
solid gate
And I was right about Wargaming tanking liberties. They especially did it with the T92E1 (as that tank never existed with that turret and gun) and Sheridan. The biggest deal I hear is they gave them the wrong missiles. They gave them missiles that were developed later than the Shillelagh missiles they should have.
They most likely gave the T92 the wrong missile last I checked Sheridans was named the right one
@iron egret The alpha isn’t the sole problem though. It’s a combination of issues.
iron egret
Well then the issues will balance it and make it not OP
solid gate
The problem is a gun like that would be utterly broken or useless at that tier
If it exposes a weak point or gets behind a whole team while unspotted it will dpm everything to death
No. If you put a 30mm RARDEN tank at tier 9 it will be ripped to shreds and not do much damage even if it has 60 alpha. It’d have to have a ton of shots in a single clip which leaves it exposed too long.
gritty lintel
What other tanks should they add?
solid gate
@solid gate the gun is a MG as that’s how it’s been putting that thing at those tiers is a death sentence to those who oppose it
iron egret
According to tankopedia VK 16.02 Leopard has a firerate of 41 rounds per minute (including intraclip and clip reload i think)
solid gate
As I said my line makes the most sense even if we have to alter some rounds from historical ones.
@iron egret Yes but not all of those shots pen. Especially when moving and/or spamming the button which people tend to do.
iron egret
Lets apply 60 alpha to that to resemble an L21A1 RARDEN, and we'll get a DPM of 2460 🤔
solid gate
Dpm isn’t everything mate.
iron egret
It isnt even a high amount of DPM but true
solid gate
Now say the gun is a MG where as you hold down the button let’s say it spews out rounds like the leopards volley
iron egret
That could also work if WG somehow makes it
The RARDEN has a rate of fire of around 80 rounds per minute
solid gate
How much dpm would that thing have? it would be utterly broken
It’s important but so is mobility or armor and camo rating too. Besides on paper dpm does not equal effective dpm.
gritty lintel
What about the Vickers A1E1 Independent?
iron egret
60x80 = 4800 DPM
Oh heck
solid gate
The mobility would be insane on it so would the camo on the scorps
Vickers A1E1 would be a low tier tank.
iron egret
But well not all the shots would pen
And unlike the Leo you'll have to fire for around 10 seconds to dish out just 1300 damage
solid gate
Well I’m sticking with my line. If I had my own game like Blitz it’s what I’d put into it. It follows the setup of every other line. Mediums and lights at tiers 9 and 10 cannot have smaller than a 100mm.
gritty lintel
Bruh, so I go to see if I can find any super heavy tanks, and the internet says the T-28 is a super heavy tank.
rapid barn
Lmao
solid gate
@gritty lintel T28 and T95 are the same tank. Or are you talking about the Russian T-28?
rapid barn
Only superheavies are type 5 heavy, Maus and e100
iron egret
Thats the thing i wanna "break" actually
I hate that all the tanks are same and boring
How there is only 1 top module that everyone uses
Imo all tanks should be like the IS-6 or FV4202 where you can choose between top modules
solid gate
Oh T-28 is classed as a super heavy tank
rapid barn
Imagine WG adds Japanese heavies...
gritty lintel
The American T-28 Tank Destroyer, the thing I found calls it a Super Heavy Tank.
rapid barn
It’s more a super heavy tank destroyer @gritty lintel
solid gate
That T28 doesn’t use the dash mate.
It was called it because US classification at the time was very different even Pershing was classed as a heavy
gritty lintel
Wait, really?
solid gate
Pershing was initially classed a heavy, yes.
rapid barn
Because Americans didn’t know what was heavy and what was not
solid gate
Not really it was because it was the heaviest tracked tank in their service
rapid barn
Until they found Burger King and maccas