Good point
#vehicles-discussion
harsh kayak
livid vale
Type heavies won't come in wg until we beg for it or bigger maps.
violet stream
@noble geyser, if it's borderline OP then how come I rarely die by one? I guess most people who have it suck
viral lodge
Type 62 is the best tier 7 light due to 2 factors: 1: DPM, 2: 250 HEAT pen
But it is not a forgiving tank
solid gate
4th game lol
misty wing
Is it just me or is the TOG longer than the Maus in blitz despite the latter being longer IRL
solid gate
T20 needs better turret armor and maybe slightly more dpm.
I like it but this morning the thing didn’t do well. Lost 4 battles in a row in it. So I jumped over to Tiger II. Much more fun to play than a dinky little tier 7 medium which cannot bounce much from anything.
hollow notch
solid gate
Anyone know how to use the jagdtiger?
elfin orbit
Hulldown and block stuff with your casemate, burn anyone dumb enough to stat in front of you
wise stag
@solid gate i do
solid gate
@solid gate faster reload
wise stag
You be a dirty camper is the answer
solid trench
So many offers...glacial, blaze, type 62....which one to get? 🤔
solid gate
Get Type 62 it’s borderline OP
How about tiger 1
Or e 100 maybe maus
Why are there not more Sherman tanks in game I really mis like uhm almost al of the Sherman tanks in game
next pivot
They need to buff e100 turret armor
solid gate
Just give it the blueprint turret instead of that weird brick
pastel drum
@solid trench Type 62 is 100% the best choice
solid trench
Thx
narrow shadow
But it's still a bad choice in this patch
solid gate
Leo pt a armour buff pls
zealous anchor
What good will it do?
solid gate
Less dieing
zealous anchor
like it's armour is already so weak idk how significant a buff will be
civic fiber
I don't understand why when ennemy tank turret lands on your tank it doesn't do damage like when an ally turret does
It doesn't make sense
livid vale
make its Turret front good, that can bounce a 183 shoot
past crater
Pta is a glasscannon and its great at it. Armor would make it op
solid gate
The power to weight Ratio and terrain resistance are terrible though, this thing won’t go over 40 kph in most cases
And the gun depression is meh
thick trout
Yes 30hp/t is terrible definitely not the same as the bc 🤦♀️
tulip sail
@solid gate theres 11 variants but I agree there should be more
You know I could probably make a tech tree out of m4 variants and I'm thinking I should
solid gate
If it isn’t the power to weight ratio it must be the terrain resistance
Because that thing is clearly slower than the BC
thick trout
29.4 vs 30.2 effective hp/t with the same terrain resistance
solid gate
Then why in the world is the acceleration so bad
thick trout
Do you have the top engine and tracks?
solid gate
Yeah I’ve finished grinding for the Leo 1
thick trout
Then it's all in your head
solid gate
Probably nightmares from the stock grind
bright folio
To be fair to him, the stock grind was quite nightmarish.
solid gate
@tulip sail if you can make a tech tree then plz try to mate it would be so nice
bright folio
There are 12 variants "spread" across 5 tiers.
violet stream
Before I get there, is the FV4202 worth the grind down the line?
tulip sail
I ment make a 1-10 teir one using random variants and stuff but try to keep it from being op
bright folio
oh
tulip sail
Yeah I worded it poorly
bright folio
Hmmm
tulip sail
And of course it's me so I cant make up any tanks only ones that were blueprints or protos
bright folio
The problem is Tiers 1-2.
tulip sail
Nah I can pull some tricks for that one
bright folio
Such as...
bright folio
T3 M3 medium?
bright folio
Crap-not M3, M2.
tulip sail
Lol
bright folio
Regardless, T4 could be the T6E1(M4 prototype)
bright folio
Oh-so we're ignoring the tanks in-game.
tulip sail
Yup
bright folio
I see...
solid gate
@solid gate Give the E 100 it’s blueprint turret? What did that even look like?
Lemme search it up
It looks like E 50 M’s turret but more armored
Hmmmm. Ok.
bright folio
I want to see the sources on that. The E100's actual semi-intended turret was a Maus turret, but the blueprint was the turret that the tank has in-game.
tulip sail
I can say one thing the whole maus and e100 projects where absolute messes
bright folio
The Krupp turret is the in-game turret.
bright folio
The Henschel turret looks more like an E 75 TS turret imo, but whatever.
solid gate
Ok according to what I’m finding the E 100 turret should be 200mm angled at 30 degrees.
bright folio
Blitz has it at 250mm angled at 30 degrees.
solid gate
There, I found it, but apparently it is a fantasy turret designed way after WW2
Wait a minute the Panzer 58 is actually a Swiss design?
bright folio
Yes.
solid gate
Yes
tulip sail
Uhh yeah
solid gate
Wow Wargaming......
bright folio
Pz 1958.
bright folio
Well, where did you expect them to put the Pz. 1958? When it was put in-game, the pan-european tech tree did not exist.
tranquil pier
Hey guys what do you think of the glacial 112 is it worth it?
solid gate
Well if they hadn’t already put it in German nation as a premium they could have done at least 3 Swiss mediums in the European nation. Panzer 58, Panzer 61, and Panzer 68.
@bright folio They could have waited and did what I just said.
tulip sail
Or make a mention of it
solid gate
Panzer 61 according to what I found was later reclassified as a second gen MBT but it uses the Royal Ordinates 105mm gun. Panzer 68 also used this gun.
bright folio
And how long ago did the Pz 58 come out in game?
violet stream
aheam 1958
tulip sail
Lol
bright folio
Silence, you.
violet stream
Which one of us?
bright folio
The Pz. 58 came out in-game in December 2018.
solid gate
Oh and there was a paper project called the Panzer 74.
So maybe we could still get 8-10 Swedish mediums?
Or maybe not since all of them use the 105mm and Wargaming ain’t going to put that gun at tier 8. Though really they could just give the tier 8 version worse stats than the tier 9-10 version of the gun.
bright folio
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather the Pz. 58 be moved to the pan-european tech tree, followed by the Pz. 61 and Pz. 68, but I don't think that it'll happen, and I understand why it was put in with the German tanks.
The only problem is that they seem like they'd be more glass cannon tanks.
solid gate
I suppose they would be more or less glass cannon types. But the Panzer 58 actually can bounce off of the turret at least.
Wanna talk about a glass cannon - Ikv-91.
shut quail
Im shocked
Compare to t49
The new tank have a lot more penetration capacity
solid gate
T49 152mm is a joke compared to it’s successors.
fast compass
They also have lower alpha and are rightfully broken op
ancient patrol
Give a spah a football like camo, it looks like football from back and it gets kicked like football here and there by op tier 7s and 8s
waxen root
Hello, I have a problem I cannot change the appearance of my tank. I need help
tulip sail
Do you have a tank higher than t5?
solid gate
KW 30 and KW 30/52.
waxen root
I do not know. I just replayed but 1 year ago there was an appearance box where I could change the appearance of my tank
tulip sail
If you dont have a teir 5 tank you cant access appearance
waxen root
Ok thanks
tulip sail
Np
solid gate
After looking I’d do KW 30/52, KW 30, Panzer 58 3rd prototype which is also the production model, Panzer 61, and Panzer 68. Panzer 74 might be a premium/enriched tier 10.
bright folio
That would be cool, but unfortunately unlikely.
solid gate
I didn’t say Wargaming would do. I said I would do.
That’s my Swedish medium line from tier 6 to 10 plus a tier 10 premium/enriched one to boot.
tulip sail
Swedish? Ya mean swiss?
solid gate
Swiss/Swedish. Whatever.
bright folio
Honestly, I'd rather see a swiss med line than Czech or Polish tanks. Swedish mediums would also be cool.
solid gate
Sweden could have had a whole tech tree to itself. Lights would end with the UDES though without the hydroneumatic or whatever suspension. Mediums we have established and heavies line would end with Kranvagn. Sadly cannot do TDs for them.
Swedish TDs and heavies would be amazing
But I don’t see the Stridsvagn 103B coming without its unique mechanic that would take time to introduce
Italy, Poland, and Czechoslovakia I don’t really think could have their own tech trees though. Czechoslovakia only has mediums, Italy is same more or less, and Poles have heavies. From what I can tell that is.
tulip sail
I'd love the swedish heavies but since they said that they aren't adding the tds I doubt the tds will come
solid gate
Just because they aren’t adding the TDs doesn’t mean the heavies won’t come.
Wait they said that they wouldn’t add swedish TDs ?
No. Because of the suspension system.
Cries in IKEA
I wanted to build them myself
At least I can hope for the Kranvagn
There is a Swedish light tank Wargaming is missing besides the UDES project models. The Ikv-91.
I’m a sucker for tier 10 LTs
I may have to look at the gun on Ikv-91. The armor would be the crappiest armor ever on any light tank in any WoT version. Talk about a glass cannon.
Hmmmm. The Ikv-91 has a 90mm gun and there was an idea/plan to make a Ikv 105. Quite interesting.
wise stag
T-28 defender is OP
solid gate
Nah it’s on par with the regular T28 Proto imo
hushed shadow
Not OP at all
solid gate
@solid gate agree
brittle bay
solid gate
Wonder if they could turn Italian SPGs into Italian TDs.
tulip sail
I wouldn't be surprised if they made it into the game
solid gate
Well I can’t find any with anything bigger than a 105mm for Italian SPGs. There is one with a 90mm which has a gun mount that looks similar to the Waffentrager’s. This one is an SPG and a TD in real classification. Well there is a 149.xx Italian SPG but it doesn’t have a enclosed build like an SU-152 or anything like that nor does it have a Waffentrager like gun mount. I don’t think that one will work for a TD.
Poland doesn’t seem to have anything in TD department so besides heavies I’m stuck. Maybe lights?
Horses.
Eh I’ll do some looking. Doubt I’ll find anything. Not even sure where Wargaming found or came up with the heavies for Poland.
Eh it’s fine. So far we only have Italian mediums. Though some of those were classified as heavies irl.
bright folio
WoT PC tried that. They removed it later.
tulip sail
@solid gate you could always ask in tanks encyclopedia I'm sure someone there would know
solid gate
@tulip sail I guess.
terse tinsel
Put the Sturmtiger now that there are missile based ammunition 😂
tulip sail
If they gave it the alpha if a 155mm I could see it ing
karmic field
@tall estuary we mentioned this is an English only server... There is not Spanish server as of presently. Maybe in the future
solid gate
@tall estuary I already told you. English only.
dusky wigeon
@solid gate does obj 268 good front armor?
livid vale
@dusky wigeon Armor like the is8. Meh, yet trollish.
civic terrace
@solid gate it would be awesome if they added the semovente 105 bassotto
ocean maple
@dusky wigeon it gets really good when you use gun dep
bright folio
Cent 1 needs a RoF buff.
tulip sail
Idk about need but it would definitely be appreciated
noble stirrup
Is the 121 any good. Because im having trouble getting it to work.
tulip sail
Supposedly it's a very good tank but I've got no personal experience with it
tame jungle
#buff the IS7, too long has it sat at the bottom of the meta, give it some stronger frontal armor, and maybe a reload buff.
Actually, maybe even give two more degrees of gun depression
misty wing
@noble stirrup 121 is quite good now yes
solid gate
@terse tinsel sturmtiger have the 380mm gun, WG don't wanna put it in the game
tulip sail
Now the bummber I could easily see being added
zealous anchor
Lol
hollow belfry
For april fools, give the WT auf Pz IV a 12,8 cm autoloader
solid gate
damn
solid gate
terse tinsel
I know
solid gate
@hollow belfry T 49 A playable again
real pulsar
What's yalls opinion on the type 59
dapper panther
@solid gate wdym?
hollow belfry
Nope. Chemistry lab xD
real pulsar
?
hollow belfry
but about the T49A, I have some doubts. If they already don’t want to give the T49 and Kpf. Pz 70 ATGM....
narrow shadow
Terrible gun, ok hull armour good hulldown. Not worth it whatsoever imo.
bronze ridge
Angry conner ?
livid vale
@hollow belfry they are considering giving missles to kpf
solid gate
@real pulsar Kpfpz 70 is not even near OP, but since T92E1 has the XM150E3 model of the missile launcher/gun, the Sheridan the XM150E4 model and Kpfpz 70 the XM150E5 model, I can think WG will upgrade the tank gun with ATGMs next updates
magic ledge
How to Sturer Emil?
fast compass
Let them balance the missiles on the lights before adding them to more tanks
dawn vector
I mean, the missiles are balanced. If you get hit with one, you are playing your tank wrong. If im hit with a missile, i congratulate the player that hit me. Missiles arent even "good". They lower your effectiveness in battle, and if you fire nothing but ATGMs then your team essentially has a useless tank on the team. As someone that uses the sheridan quite regularly, i can assure you that they arent this magical thing that locks onto enemies. You have to aim it yourself, and it is extremely difficult to do unless you are at close range.
If you check the #replays channel and look for my 2 most recent replays, i think i fired one, maybe 2 ATGMs in the 2 battles that i uploaded.
frank hearth
The Rockets are not OP. They are very good, buy only if people use them correctly
odd horizon
@solid gate that's cool if it's true
bright folio
The KPFPZ doesn’t need atgms.
Also, the level of elitism here continues to astonish me.
hollow belfry
.....
Anyways, wish you to have fun in this line, because I enjoy it a lot (currently at the WT auf Pz IV)
solid gate
Ok Tiger II doesn’t seem as effective with the armor now that I’m playing it. Must be doing it wrong. Also bet some people just shoot prammo at it. sighs
magic ledge
you like the Admiral Hipper?
hollow belfry
I don't have any problems with the armor. Against T9s and some high pen T8s, you won't bounce that much, but for most T7-T8s it's a Maus. Been getting a substantial amount of Steel Wall and Spartan medals
hollow belfry
All my condolences
solid gate
Well even a Lycan penned my Tiger 2.
fast compass
People just spam gold at a tiger2 at this point.
hollow belfry
MG port is pennable too I think
Lemme check
solid gate
Well so far IS-3s are my worst enemy when playing Tiger II.
pulsar flax
Guys tell me which tanks is better to grind first wz 121 or stb 1 currently having tanks progetto and obj 268
solid gate
Well I’mma rethink how I play Tiger II. Doesn’t feel like frontline heavy. More like support heavy like the old one was. Anyway gotta go.
pulsar flax
Tell me someone
solid gate
@pulsar flax get STB
solid gate
STB is just better, hard to really compare the two but the seller for me is the Gun depression
Not a very fun tank to play, very similar to soviet meds, no gun depression, good aiming time, rest of the stats are average at best
While STB with strong turret and good gun depression can be used in a lot of different ways which is more fun to play
pulsar flax
Ok thx
fleet berryBOT
Admiral Hipper#7585 has been warned.
sage idol
Let’s add the Swedish mediums
neat nimbus
OK so was is the speculation about the Japanese TDs armor
livid vale
@bright folio I think atgm on kpf will be good addition tbh.
hollow moth
Should I buy WZ Blaze or save money for T-34-3 in Chinese event?
lyric oriole
Save it
solid gate
It’s not too bad you will just need prammo
T-54 LW has 175mm pen and it’s still a very good tank
hollow moth
True @solid gate
lyric oriole
175mm is workable, you fire at people who are pre-occupied with another vehicle, and if that's not the case, go after the softest target you can reasonably get
hollow moth
K
But is 14 dollars enough to guarantee this tank?
With this money I can guarantee a WZ Blaze, But will this event be really hard?
solid gate
I don’t know. I heard the event couldn’t be finished with gold, but I don’t know if it is true. WZ will stay for a few days so I think it’s better to wait for the moment
hollow moth
Thanks @solid gate
solid gate
Np
lyric oriole
Blaze is Statistically the worst tank Destroyer in tier 7 aside from Mobility.
So trust me when I tell you to not get it. Once in a while T-54 Mod. 1 will come on sale for 15 bucks hold out for that
hollow moth
So I'll wait for better options
dapper panther
Blaze is only for the collectors
hollow moth
And I'm not so interested in T-54 Mod. 1, meds aren't my favorite type
Yes, I'll wait for better options
dapper panther
if you arent really into meds, then mod1 wont be your fav either
solid gate
There’s a soviet sniper tank coming but it will probably be super expensive or worse, sold in crates
hollow belfry
SU-130 PM? The Vodka Skorpion?
solid gate
Da tovarisch
hollow moth
@hollow belfry it will be like scorpion, but with a pseudo turret and probably with a better gun handling because of it
Nothing that my ISU-152 can't kill
solid gate
Laughs in rockets
hollow moth
It will be free meat like skorpion and all other non ISU-152 tier 8
solid gate
I will track you down with my T92E1 and bring you some freedom and democracy
hollow moth
Yesh, but the cannon is the only thing that makes this tank alive
If it doesn't have the best cannon of tier 8, it will be nothing
solid gate
Still a broken cannon
2 things could balance it :
- replace BL-10 by BL-4S
- Nerf HP down to 900
hollow moth
Ikr, but even with a OP cannon ISU is actually very balanced
solid gate
Press X to doubt
hollow moth
That HP is already the worst of tier 8 and BL-10 is extremely inaccurate and 200m
Btw, the armor is totally useless and it have a Heavy tank mobility
If you reach the sides of ISU, you won the dogfight
solid gate
BL-10 is more accrurate than Rhm’s 15cm PaK. It only has 10 less HP than most T8 tanks destroyers, and a Rhm will get killed faster due to actual paper armor
hollow moth
RHM have turret, that's the difference between them
Is not so hard see RHM circling an ISU
solid gate
Really ? Rhm is too slow for that
hollow moth
Trust me, it already happened to me
solid gate
Dude do you drive your ISU with stock modules or what
hollow moth
Guy, you never have seen a RHM at full speed being spotted behind you
solid gate
Rhm barely goes over 30 kph
hollow moth
That's what I said, at full speed
solid gate
The only thing it could circle is a T28
hollow moth
Remembering the ISU-152 have the big fame of the BL-10 since it appeared on WOT, remembering it's a meta tank (as like every SU-122-54), and remembering the BL-10 costs a extreme expensive number of xp to be researched, I considere the ISU-152 balanced
solid gate
WoT removed the BL-10 and put the BL-4S instead because it was OP
hollow moth
WoT removed the WT auf E100 instead of nerf It, that developers team don't know how to nerf
It would be a good tank if they nerf correctly
solid gate
But WT auf E 100 got replaced by a different tank
While you could just get BL-4S stats by nerfing BL-10
The most important parts being less pen and worse accuracy
While the pen is still good (around 260 mm) the accuracy makes it less of a point and click tank
hollow moth
Actually decrease that dmg would be "against" wotb dmg rules, the dmg is based of calliber, knowing it's a 152mm calliber, so a nerf dmg would be impossible
Nerf penetration would inflict in obj 704, that have BL-10 too, this tank is very slow and all their armor is troll, but not trustworthy.
It will make this tank get seriously nerfed, a pen nerf on BL-10 would inflict more things on Obj. 704 gameplay than in ISU-152 gameplay
A aim nerd would be impossible cuz of 0.393 dispersion, that's actually enough to have a bigger circle than a maus at about 200m distance
It's impossible nerf BL-10 without affect more badly Obj 704 or make the tank very bad in just some codes
solid gate
That’s why it was replaced by BL-4S, so Obj 704 remained untouched.
I never talked about damage nerf, but it isn’t against blitz rules : look at what happened to Foch 155.
hollow moth
It got a faster reload buff, it's basically untouched
And replace BL-4S in ISU at wotb actually would change the Obj. 704 too, you can research this gun in ISU much cheaper than how much you can in obj
solid gate
Oh wait a sec
I was wrong about the accuracy, apparently it got nerfed and is now .48 at 100m
This makes ISU balanced enough for the moment
frigid compass
@hollow moth "damage nerf going against caliber rules"
did you forget about the Foch 155
hollow moth
@frigid compass the foch got faster reload buff, it's basically untouched and it's an isolated case
frigid compass
alpha wise it wasnt untouched at all
solid gate
Nvm I checked in game, accuracy still better than rhm
Still broken then
frigid compass
also not all 152mm gun damage stats are based on the caliber because some does less damage than a 140mm gun
such as Kpz-70, T49, T92E1 and Sheridan and also foch 155
civic fiber
Let's buff 183 like good old days and remove it from the tech tree to make it a collector and not available again
frigid compass
@civic fiber could have been possible if wg didnt make the badger a collector for money
civic fiber
@solid gate they did this in pc version, but without the NeRf
solid gate
Hi
@civic fiber are you talking about the 183 removal ? The problem is that it was replaced by FV217 Badger, which has been sold as a collector in blitz
bright folio
Honestly, I'd be fine if the Badger replaced the 183.
It completes the line better than the 183.
rancid mauve
What all goes into maxing crew on a new tank?? Nothing more annoying than grinding crew when the tank is maxed and the crew % doesn’t go up
quasi mirage
if an rhm gets close it could circle an ISU its traverse is like 55
carmine pulsar
Did someone say remove the Death Star?
brisk pecan
Object 287 should be in blitz https://youtu.be/NbFRRj7Njk8
We have american missile tanks. Why not soviet russia
carmine pulsar
Because the anti ATGM group will annoy us about how it’s going to break the whole game.
brisk pecan
ATGM should be in their own type
carmine pulsar
Like get their own icon?
brisk pecan
Yes
hollow moth
@brisk pecan no, it shouldn't
carmine pulsar
Thank you @hollow moth
hollow moth
And No, ATGM aren't fine @carmine pulsar
brisk pecan
Already got two permanent missile tanks. And why not have their own icon? @carmine pulsar
hollow moth
@brisk pecan because they are only 2
carmine pulsar
;-;
hollow moth
I doubt WG will add more ATGM after read that surveys
brisk pecan
Your english is terrible btw
brisk pecan
You think wargaming gives a shit about us? Wrong.
carmine pulsar
Correct for the first time @brisk pecan
brisk pecan
The removal of nearly half of all tanks in the game speaks volumes.
Despite community protest
hollow moth
Because most of player base didn't like them Or because they were broke or because they were really underrated
After All, 5.5 was a good update
carmine pulsar
Money is money.
brisk pecan
Sure...sure. @hollow moth. It added complexity to the game and variety. Now there isn't much out there
hollow moth
There isn't much out There? Guy, we have more than 2 hundred tanks in gamr
And there was no removed tanks (unless tier 1), all them turn into collector
brisk pecan
Not to mention removing tanks from daily crates
hollow moth
For me still fine
brisk pecan
Whatever.
hollow moth
Btw, in October of last year I got a T-25 In crates
472% tanks were removed from crates
hollow moth
That's a loot box, what were you expecting?
tame jungle
Your bragging about a t25 from a loot box
hollow moth
I said that to say the tanks weren't removed from crates
Guy, go learning interpretation of text
mellow ore
Look guys, I have gotten the Russian tech tree and I am grinding on the European one atm, but I'm asking yo guys what t10 I should grind next? Any suggestions
tame jungle
They most certainly have been, the chances of getting a tank from those crates is so ludicrously low they may as well not be listed
hollow moth
I'd recommend jagdpanzer E100, my favorite one @mellow ore
mellow ore
@hollow moth I was on the way to it, but stopped on Jpanther ll with the 56k gun, is it worth to keep playing w it?
mellow ore
Kk thx:)
livid vale
go for maus or is4@mellow ore
sage grotto
is4,113-heavy, sheridan or progetto-light, e50m,62a-medium, Foch and grille-TD
prime vale
Yolo wagon @sage grotto
crystal hare
Type 64 is only 400 coins
But you get 35 for the first 5 wins per day (25 from containers plus 10 from wins)
So winning 35 times (5 per day for 7 days) gives 245 coins so you then need 73 more wins
need 113 wins for type 64
You need 373 wins for t-34 3
Or just buy crates with creds
sage grotto
Joke's on y'all I already has both tanks
solid gate
@sage idol What Swedish mediums? They only go up to tier 7 then it’s heavies. Though PC also has Swedish lights but they have a mechanic that Blitz would have trouble with. Same reason we cannot have Swedish TDs.
@sage grotto So do I.
twilit willow
@sage grotto hence your name 😉
sage idol
@solid gate no they have the UDES 15/16 they go up to teir X
Edit: but to answer your question I have no idea on how they would add it. They are just cool
solid gate
@sage idol I thought those UDES were the light tanks. Whatever. I’d rather do my Swedish line or both. Not sure about TDs for the Pan-Euro nation. Poland doesn’t have any as far as I can tell and Italian SPGs as TDs would be hard for the higher tiers. The biggest I could find for Italian SPGs similar in design to something like SU-152 had 105mm I think. Tiers 8-10 in particular need bigger guns for the TDs though.
sage idol
@solid gate yeah, I definitely think they should add more Swedish tanks (if that’s what you were saying)
solid gate
There is an Italian SPG with the classification of TD as well. It has a 90mm gun and gun mount looks somewhat similar to the one of WT auf Pz IV.
Also adding only Swedish tanks would diminish the point of it being a Pan-Euro nation instead of the Sweden nation.
solid gate
Heh. Ok I was wrong. The UDES line is mediums. I think 1 nation in the Pan-Euro nation is going to have 2 lines. I’d think the Italians with the current mediums and a TD line (though some may be made up). Poland will bring us heavies and the Swedish can bring us lights. Well maybe Swedish lights. I can get tiers 9 and 10 but anything below that is hard to figure.
misty wing
Finally, the real reason WG didn't give the 4005 a 183mm. They were planning to add the ATGMs all along
solid gate
Wait the L4 is the 183mm right? But what’s this 180mm “Lily White” thing?
misty wing
Idk probably an experimental gun meant to replace/compete with the 183mm L4
dapper panther
https://youtu.be/WIJavjcQ2dI
No commentary
Smells crates
solid gate
T34 3 not worth it
stark owl
Watch them nerf the glacial after the sale
regal zealot
They just buffed it recently
hollow belfry
Should I grind for the chinese heavies? Worth it or not?
glossy shard
Buff T30...
glass relic
Why does T30 needs a buff? It's fine as it is.
soft shard
Abrams tank when
glass relic
Hopefully never
hollow moth
It's funny see boys wanting modern tanks, but they forget the focus of the game is 1920-1960 tanks
With some exceptions
glass relic
Lel yeah
tulip sail
@soft shard the moment it wouldn't be absolutely op and dominate everything
So basically wht Rapenk91 wants
carmine pulsar
I hope they add the IT-1 ATGM tank for Russia
elfin meadow
calibrated shells or gun rammer on T49 152mm?
regal zealot
I use gun rammer, pen for me is usually enough
solid gate
I have a problem with proposing Swedish lights to Wargaming. I got the tier 9 and 10 ones as Ikv-91 and Ikv 105 but I don’t know where the line should start and what tanks there should be low those 2.
hollow moth
@carmine pulsar this tank is almost from 1970, they never will put It, it's obvious
Tbh, do they know this tank existence?
Ah never mind, Sheridan was used until 1997
That's why everyone says it's op
bright folio
Used until doesn’t mean much. There are still AMX-13s in military service(I think)
solid gate
Still trying to figure out lines for the Pan-European nation.
bright folio
What will likely happen: Polish and/or Swedish heavies, possibly Czech meds.
royal charm
How does T 34 3 compare to Ravioli and WZ 112 2?
glass relic
Well the rev is basically better than T-34-3 on it's mobility and DPM, if i remembered, but the T-34-3 has a good turret armor but no depression so.. flat ground hulldown.. mostly, and the rev only has a trolly turret. Imo
livid vale
I think that Czech, polish and swedish line will wait. They will probably build on the current nations etc German, Soviet union, America. British
i think i heard someone say that a new british line is coming. idk, man. its a rumour
solid gate
I wish every possible bad thing in this world on the person who thought it was funny to give the worst tank in the game, St Emil, the worst MM in the game.
3 afks on my team per match, tier 8 prems with 10 battles, and god forbid I get a single person on my team with over 30% win rate
35% win rate. Oh, but don’t bother, just give a bit more love to the imaginary overpowered biased soviet tanks.
5 matches in a row with afk top tiers. Because why should anyone have at least a fighting chance when playing German tanks. Just buy a broken soviet prem and life is good.
next solstice
113 seems better than 5a
visual jolt
@next solstice the 5A is a worse IS-7, and the 113 is better than the IS-7
wise moth
@rancid mauve It's the Jackson with a legendary camo
It's one of the oldest legendary camo's in the game actually, and it's not very common, so lots of people don't even know it exists. Every time I take mine out, people are always like "wth is an M36 valor"
rancid mauve
Ahhhh okay fair enough! @wise moth it looked good though!
hollow moth
To be honest I'm liking Type 62 more than T-34-85 Rudy
The Rudy is more like an assault tank, high DPM too, but a bit slower and a bit higher armor
Once I made an ISU-152 ricochet my side, he was aiming front of me
But this Type 62 is something more
Like a more savage tank
Very low profile and high speed helps a lot for trick enemies, a thing that Rudy can't do
In a dog fight, probably Rudy would win
But Type 62 is special
viral lodge
Type 62 is the best tier 7 light tank, between the mobility, DPM, and HEAT pen it is one hell of a light.
frozen moth
I have researched the T10 T57 Heavy and the T10 obj268 td, just coining my gold tanks now to buy them ...which is best to buy first? I wanted the obj but after the update I am now leaning towards the t57...what you think?
neat nimbus
i declare the lowe is a beast
solid gate
lowe is trash, no front armor...
solid gate
yes but they removed armor on the middle plate the most obvious spot
carmine pulsar
How about you only show the turret?
solid gate
if you do that, gun depression is gey and then u have to show the whole tank...
carmine pulsar
You can always angle the hull...
solid gate
hull is too big and if u angle it, the sides always swallow the shell instead of doing a ricochet or bouncing
tulip sail
Why are you playing front line? It's a support heavy and a very good one at that
solid gate
oh its a support, i thot it was a heavy so i went first, no wonder i lost everytime
next solstice
He literally mentioned that earlier
solid gate
ik but why does wg label the lowe as a heavy when it does the job of medium or td...
carmine pulsar
Do I have to tell this man?
solid gate
@solid gate IT WEIGHS 100 TONNES!!! THATS WHY ITS CALLED A HEAVY
tulip sail
"Its a support heavy" not a support tank
shadow pulsar
I don't really get it
What makes the Lowe a support heavy?
tulip sail
It doesn't have the best armour but it's got a good reload and a very good gun handling
carmine pulsar
Thank you guys
shadow pulsar
So does that mean it should be played farther back behind heavies with more armor?
tulip sail
Yup second line but not too far
hollow moth
@solid gate so let's go by points
1st: Löwe is a second line tank, it means the frontal armor won't work Every time that you want, but work a lot when you are moving and angling correctly
2nd: 8 degrees of gun depression is actually good, seems you never have played with a Russian tank, ha ha, you actually don't need to hide all the hull at this tank, there high plate with the correct angle can bounce most of medium tanks
3rd: the cannon of this tank is actually incredible, fast shoot with a good penetration and an average dmg, but the best is the aim, any other heavy tank at tier 8 can do so good shoots with their own aim but Löwe can
4th: if you think the Löwe's armor is actually good, as I said before, with the correct angle while moving you can block a lot of shots from mediums and some other heavies like KV-5, but don't think it makes you allowed to fight a M6 EXP, an ISU-152 or a T28 Prot. Without have a good skill at it or without some support
5th: if you are bad at a tank, doesn't means it's a bad tank, "there is no bad tanks, only bad players... unless if you are playing with a T28" (Ok, I know no one said the T28 part of this text, but it's actually true)
That's why I'm sure the Löwe isn't a ""shit", as you said
tardy talon
lowe armor is definitely not trash lol, can bully tier 7 and most is series
solid gate
@bright folio But when they came out with the Pan-Euro nation they didn’t list Czechoslovakia as a nation within it. Also people may want TDs in the nation but we cannot have Swedish TDs. I don’t mind Swedish heavies but when I mention adding those some people get up in arms sounding about Kranvagn.
hollow moth
I'm just waiting for the polish heavies🤷♂️
solid gate
@livid vale Man Germany and USSR have lots of tanks already. They don’t need many more though I would love to see more for them as well. Chinese lights should be next then maybe other French heavy line.
quasi mirage
the kranvagn would be a tricky tank to balance,
hollow moth
There is already un-official announcements that says it's impossible Swedish TD's, but polish heavies heavies won't be that all to balance
quasi mirage
swedish tds would be fine balance wise its just tricky to implement
hollow moth
But the maps are too flat for that mechanic of gun depression and gun elevation, it would be useless @quasi mirage
quasi mirage
people said the rhm borsig would be useless lmao when it was probably the most OP tier 8 tank until the charioteer or wz 120 gft
solid gate
Honestly I’d just do Italian SPGs as TDs. In fact one I found with a 90mm was classified as both an SPG and a TD. The problem is finding high tier ones.
quasi mirage
the rhm borsig was so OP i miss those days it used to accurate slap 330 mm heat pen shells into IS tanks
it was the first in a great cycle of one tank being able to counter IS spam at tier 8
also in those days heavy tanks rarely used optics and you had binos so just load a camo net, binos and Rammer and you probably didnt get spotted while firing until 195 meters
solid gate
The biggest I could find for Italian SPGs that could fit the role of TD had a 105mm. Anything else looks like your typical WoT PC artillery unit. The small caliber ones have enclosed casemate things kinda like the SU-152 and ISU-152 but smaller of course.
quasi mirage
it was so hillariously broken
solid gate
I’d rather do Swedish lights if they cannot balance Kranvagn which apparently is the Emil III. Kranvagn was a cover name.
wise moth
STRV could actually be quite nice. I think people underestimate how difficult it is to hit a hulldown STRV. Too bad WG's devs aren't very good at coding and probably don't know how to make it work
quasi mirage
again I dont see it breaking the game neccesarily it would just be a neat addition, considering WG added atgms after saying no more i wouldnt be shocked but IIRC @wise moth the line after next is gonna be some new weird british line not in PC too
solid gate
Depending on the caliber size of guns of the UDES light tank projects and other potential Swedish lights they thought about making but gave up on then we might could do a line with them. Still I’d end it with Ikv-91 light/ifv/troop carrier/Anti-Tank capable vehicle. It’s a crazy vehicle but it had a 90mm gun and according to TE’s article on it there was a consideration of giving it a 105mm making it the Ikv 105. This version I’d make tier 10.
wise moth
Imagine trying to hit this lol
solid gate
@quasi mirage Wait I thought the next line would be Japanese TDs since they are already testing those.
wise moth
And this is an IS-7 btw
quasi mirage
i actually wonder what the next british line would be
wise moth
@quasi mirage I'd assume it would be a light tank line, but the tanks might be different than the ones in PC
solid gate
Probably not British lights (which are probably made up more or less).
Or could be wrong.
Man I need to look up British lights to see if I can find anything. Anyway Wargaming shot themselves in the foot when they did the Pan-Euro nation.
quasi mirage
not really it makes some sense really
they want to avoid making like 5 new low tier lines, problem is afaik they are not expanding the tree until next year really
solid gate
FV-101 Scorpion is on TE so maybe could have a light tank line for UK.
wise moth
I'd like to see an FV-101. PC not having FV101 kinda blew my mind
solid gate
Chimera SPATG? What?
@wise moth There is 2 versions. The original has a 76mm I think but there is a 90 version which basically means it has a 90mm. So there is 2 lights right there. Also the A46 light tank with a 77mm HV gun.
That means the Chimera heavy tank isn’t the only 1. There is a Chimera 1984 TD too.
random meadow
Ok, WTF is going on with the leopard
solid gate
RO2004 Light tank top the line? 105mm would fit. But uh you have the problem of if they do have a year restriction. This thing was made in 1985.
regal zealot
Yeah, that could be an issue.
My thoughts is that the FV107 Scimitar (30mm), the FV101 Scorpion 76 and the FV101 Scorpion 90 as the tier VIII, tier IX and tier X tank respectively.
They primarily have the lowest alpha but excellent DPM for their respective tiers.
Though the Scimitar may need some adjustments to its pen values, 160mm for standard rounds, 220mm for its premium rounds, while having a RoF of 100, giving it a base DPM of 2500.
The Scorpion 76 might have a gun that has a base pen of 198mm and premium pen of 270, while having a base RoF of 18, giving it 2880 DPM
The Scorpion 90 gets a gun that can pen through 220mm of armor with standard rounds and 280mm with premium; It possesses lower rate of fire compared to the 76, but it results in better overall DPM of 3375, the highest at its tier.
Since the light tanks I’m suggesting have such solid base DPM, they are offset by the huge exposure time and poor armor. Sure, these three LTs are small, but they cannot get hit by HE, like an SP 1 C. But they do have an ace upon their sleeves, they have solid HESH penetration with their guns. For the Scimitar, it’s HESH can pen up to 60mm of armor and deal 35 damage per shell. For the Scorpion 76 and Scorpion 90, they both get 102mm of pen on their HESH, while dealing 220 and 270 alpha respectively.
solid gate
You mean the modern scorpions? Bud you do know they move faster than any tank ingame and have more pen then any ingame @regal zealot
regal zealot
That’s why I’m making their pen like stated above.
solid gate
They also originate near above the 80s
regal zealot
Nope, they were in service in the 70s
solid gate
Yeah I read made near 60-67 put into service 70s
regal zealot
They aren’t the most mobile though, as they only use an engine that produces 190hp
solid gate
The Fv101 would be quite pointless stand alone 90mm aswell the scimitor fires sabot which is against wargamings limits
regal zealot
One could always rebrand the APFSDS with the APCR
And for me, the FV101 and FV107 would be extremely hard to master, but they can be good in quite a few situations.
Since you cannot trade with said LTs, you should save them for taking the safe shots or dumping your DPM on an unsuspecting target
hollow moth
Is this the ammo that looks like an iron bar? @regal zealot
solid gate
No no no. You cannot have 1 tank for 3 tiers. That just doesn’t work.
Now you see you can’t really do that because if you get caught giving the tank non existent ammo that will create problems both ingame and among the players the 76mm will be inferior in every single aspect samething with the 90mm btw the scimitar uses a near 30+mm gun which also creates issues with balancement
wise moth
@solid gate *Looks nervously at AMX 13 75, AMX 13 90, and AMX 13 105*
hollow moth
Lol
solid gate
That’s not exactly the same tank. Bigger guns. I meant sand tank and same gun. My bad.
wise moth
*Also glances at AMX 50 100, AMX 50 120, and AMX 50b*
solid gate
I meant you cannot have a 90mm tank at 3 tiers. Not even if it’s a light tank. I’d say the tier 9 FV-101 would be a bit made up in that it gets a weaker version of the tier 10 tank’s gun. Which that tier 10 will be the RO2004.
Now putting a 76mm in tier 8 where it can fight T9 is a TERRIBLE idea
Etc T9 90mm vs T10 you get the idea
wise moth
@solid gate I think it would be interesting. Maybe tweak the alpha so it has like 170 or 180, and massively buff up the RoF and pen
solid gate
@wise moth if you remember the HSTV proposal I had here months ago it was almost impossible to balance
hollow moth
- screams at churchill mk VII, Churchill Mk VI, Churchill Mk V and Churchill Mk I * @solid gate
solid gate
It doesn’t help that the scorps bigger guns are very short meaning they fire only Low velocity rounds
One thing that also does not help it
wise moth
Just call them APFSDS rounds and do some of WG's good ol' fashioned made up magic
regal zealot
Personally, it ramps up the difficulty in using the British LTs, but they do possess HESH and tiny armor profile to compensate for their low alpha
solid gate
@wise moth I mean that’s a good way to create a riot
@hollow moth Stop. That’s 75, 76, and 77mm. Not quite the same caliber size though very very close. What I mean is a 90mm at tiers 9 and 10 will be too small and weak. Even if they are on a fast light tank.
Lol HESH is useless if it’s a 76mm or 90mm at t8 or 10
A T49 will shotgun you for most of your health while you’ll hit them for what 190-200? With HESH?
Oh yeah news flash most T10 guns have trouble penning the T92E1 and the Sheridan is HE proof
hollow moth
@solid gate errrm, only 2mm more? Wow, that's a lot of damage
solid gate
@hollow moth irrelevant because that’s not what he meant at all
hollow moth
Ok ok...
solid gate
They should do different alpha even if it isn’t major difference but Wargaming doesn’t wanna do that. Anyway FV-107 seems cannot be above tier V. Tier VI would be asking for death with it. I vote move the tier 7 he proposed down to tier 6 and put 77mm tank in there. The A46 tank.
bright folio
Technically, the Sheridan is not completely HE-proof. The lower plate(both front and back) and the sides/back of the turret are HE-able. It is mostly he-proof, but not completely.
I’d find a 57mm gun at T10 hilarious, especially if it had ridiculous pen, accuracy, and rof.
solid gate
You cannot balance a low caliber gun at T10 without a huge downside
pulsar portal
T9 90mm? V t10? Why not? Buff the pen, and have insane DPM
west cargo
Auto cannon
pulsar portal
Meaning? @west cargo
solid gate
Uh no. Even the Bat-Chats have at least a 100mm.
west cargo
57mm w like a 1 sec reload
solid gate
@pulsar portal that’s the problem and wow I can’t believe you didn’t see it at all if you give a 90mm insane pen and dpm it would be unbelievably broken
100-105mm guns are required to be competitive to the other lights and mediums at tiers 9 and 10.
west cargo
I mean tier X is mostly dominated by high alpha tanks so
solid gate
And that’s why lower caliber guns dominate them in all areas
pulsar portal
I didn’t mean 300 pen, the DPM however would make it competitive.
regal zealot
A low alpha, relatively poor pen high DPM light tank would be an interesting choice
solid gate
If it’s got no pen and still broken dpm then it’s straight up useless
pulsar portal
I agree
regal zealot
Like I said with the Scorpion 90, of it had 220 standard and 280 premium pen, and a RoF of 15, that would be ok
pulsar portal
I prefer both alpha and DPM over pen as a rule
solid gate
220 standard pen is a joke for facing T10
And don’t tell me you won’t think that’s broken for lower tiers
pulsar portal
The t57 has 200, it would be easy to frontale pen it
solid gate
No not at all
I think the reason in PC they went with the UDES tanks is because they wanted more autoloaders at high tiers. Though I think Wargaming reclassified them as mediums because Wargaming reasons. Technically the UDES project was a light tank project.
Have you never ever used a 105mm against a T57? They still bounce and show red on most parts of the T57
pulsar portal
I haven’t used any meds, but going up against a t57 would shred it. Thy could either flank it. I drive a t57 and I play it as a med
solid gate
Right flank a T57 when it can easily traverse and get up close and personal
pulsar portal
The turret traverse is t the best, and the traverse for the hull is a joke
solid gate
So tell me that no sane T57 won’t HE the side of a paper thin scorpion
regal zealot
Sure, it might not work well against HTs, but that’s not what it’s meant to do. Even with the poor pen, it’s still enough for flanking shots.
solid gate
90mm alpha is pretty useless for high tier pop shots
pulsar portal
Ok, I won’t tell u that. I think that is would go through with he
solid gate
British lights are still a bit easier to do than the Swedish lights idea I had. Swedish mediums would be easy with the Swedish Panzers. And yes we technically have the 58 but it is the 2nd prototype variant. The Swedish could have the 105mm version.
regal zealot
And due to the low silhouette of the tank and low caliber gun, it can be quite stealthy when firing
pulsar portal
225 every 3 seconds sounds great
solid gate
It would excel in spotting and camoflauge but really the tank would be so dam useless and a pain to drive
pulsar portal
Camo would be great.
solid gate
I’d say Panzer 58 (105) would be tier 8 but with lower alpha than the tier 9-10 105mm guns. Worse pen too of course and maybe worse aim time and dispersion than the other 105mm guns you see.
I’ve suggested this a long time ago but the us does have a potential T10 low gun cal tank
@solid gate What is that?
Hstv or rdf/lt
regal zealot
@solid gate I know all about that tank, but only problem is continuity with the current US LTs, which have high alpha guns as their specialty
solid gate
It was an ultimate successor to the previous airborne light tanks etc Sheridan and T92 but ultimately it was too complex
I’ve been able to find an older form of the Hstv called the rdf
When the T92 was originally canceled because it wasn’t amphibious and launched the Sheridan project the rdf was a slight project that branched off of it
I found a CV90105 and CV90 120 something.
The HSTV used a 75mm Hyper velocity gun and had a record of 1 second reload time
Wow
The turret on the HSTV was completely remote controlled aswell it also featured the crouching suspension the tank itself also used a 1500 HP v12 that was supercharged the tank was able to reach both 80-100kmh
pulsar portal
105mm? 1 sec reload? With even lower alpha, and pen, sign me up
solid gate
But like Bat-Chat 12t you cannot put such a gun at tiers 8 and up. They are too small and weak. No matter how fast they reload they won’t be able to do anything.
The HSTV used a 30 round mag within the turret aswell
pulsar portal
Wow, so what is the mag reload?
regal zealot
Probably a minute or more
solid gate
If we get BC 12t in Blitz it will have to be tier 6 or 7. Probably 7 though.
pulsar portal
What is the caliber on the bc
pulsar portal
Not bad, the t20 has the option of a 76mm
solid gate
The HSTV has a lot of lost info on it but the magazine was able to switch relatively quickly the original proposal I had for it in the game was a 6 round mag of 0,5 seconds
pulsar portal
The amx 13 75 is a 75mm
solid gate
Yeah T20 with 76mm sucks at tier 7 but it isn’t an autoloader.
The HSTV also used telescopic ammunition which was a revolutionary feature for its time
Also I think that 76mm has 128mm of pen. That’s even worse than 13 75 which has 144.
solid gate
Inter clip would be .5 mag reload in total would be near 13 seconds
solid gate
Which is why it was almost impossible to balance
pulsar portal
With a 75mm i think that the mag reload should be 15,and give it 6 in the mag, and keep the 160 alpha
.1 inter clip reload
solid gate
Another idea was a 8 round mag 1,5 inter reload and 19 seconds reload
@pulsar portal Well it is the 76mm from the E8 which has 128mm if pen. Which is pretty weak even at tier 6 nowadays.
pulsar portal
Ah. I dint like the Sherman’s and I think the grind th the m48 will be tourcher, I’m at the t20
solid gate
And whoever said the Sherman’s shouldn’t be able to pen a Tiger I frontally at all is wrong. That only goes for short barrel 75mm ones which those are tier 5 so they won’t be facing it. The E8 could and should be able to pen it at least somewhere frontally.
pulsar portal
The e8 is what I was talking about
solid gate
T20 is nice but could be better. The pen isn’t the best nor the worst among the tier 7 mediums. Also it’s got one of the better alphas. The problem is lack of armor and the average (feeling) mobility. Oh and rof isn’t great for the gun either.
pulsar portal
I think that the HSTV would be sold as a prem, which would be disappointing @solid gate I hate the mobility and the rate of rire sux
Can’t text today lol
solid gate
I think T20 should get slightly higher rof to boost dpm or get better turret armor or maybe a little of both.
pulsar portal
I’d love the rate of fire boost, I don’t see the need for a turret aurmor boost but then it’s not a insta pen on the turret
Gn everyone
regal zealot
Gn
solid gate
Buff M48
I don’t want it to be instapen. The T20 isn’t supposed to be that weak. More like a slow(ish) light tank than a medium at that point. Even against other mediums you cannot bounce anything unless very very lucky which is annoying. There should be at least some bouncy parts.
@solid gate What about M46?
T20 is kinda sad
M46 is awesome @solid gate
The second best in the line
I thought they haven’t changed that one and people told me it was bad.
Though I hate Pershing. T20 may be a bit of a struggle but at least it is small. Pershing is big and says “shoot me” all over it.
Pershing is the best in the line, T20 is sad M46 is great, M4a3e8 is good M48 is sad
Pershing is not the best in the line man. It’s not even been changed at all while everything else has.
Pershing is an OP tank killer if used right
Blah. I am not even sure I want to bother going past T20 because if it.
Stock Pershing is hell but Maxed Pershing is savage though it could use a speed and Pen buff
I hate Pershing. E8 was fun but now it’s pen is getting nerfed because armor buffs. It and E2 are going to need pen buffs. 128mm is dang weak.
E2 used to be the best Med
I played it fully upgraded too and still hate the Pershing. That gun mantlet doesn’t help at all. Still gets penned and dies easily. It’s a joke. Should have been tier 7 medium.
bright folio
There's an argument to be made that the E2 was the best heavy, not the best med.
solid gate
They should have had T20 as a premium or something I guess and put Pershing where it is. Then had M46, M47, and M48. Stupid Wargaming though...... Smh.
Pershing can easily overpower T-44 or any tier VIII med M47 was a heavy btw
Eh I disagree with that statement.
regal zealot
The E2 still can hulldown extremely effectively, but in terms of outputting its DPM, it’s absolutely atrocious
solid gate
Pershing has low dpm I think and weak pen. T-44 has weaker but from what I’ve seen T-44 can work around that. Pershing cannot work around it’s weak AP pen without losing even more dpm and costing you credits because you switch to stupid prammo.
@regal zealot E2 was better when it had same gun as E8 - M1A2.
regal zealot
That’s only possible with the top turret, which is worse for the tank
solid gate
Yeah but I found the E2 still bounces quite a bit for me when I played it that way back in the day. Stupid Wargaming shouldn’t have removed the turret and gun from it.
People talk trash about the American Med line because they don’t know how to use it effectively, The M3 was a great tank and everyone hated it. They really hated it when I destroyed their kv-1 across the map however the Pershing is a hull down brawler and used by noobs it will die but used right can be devastating
I guess just give M1A1 gun same dpm as M1A2 gun but maybe slightly worse dispersion and aim time.
I always just played Jumbo with Stock turret
regal zealot
That would be a valid idea
solid gate
I tried to play Persh in hull down positions but like Centurion 1 it wouldn’t bounce much when shot at and next thing I know I’m dead or low on HP.
Idk what to tell you, I’ve bounced ISUs and Rhms with Pershing in a brawl several times but I guess it’s not for everyone
regal zealot
I never had issues with the Centurion turret; works perfectly fine on the Caernarvon in terms of armor (they both have the same turret)
solid gate
Centurion I’s problem is the hull seems much bigger than the turret (and a little slant on turret front roof that can be penned by high pen guns) and it is the slowest medium. Oh and low alpha.
regal zealot
Low alpha is a non-issue if you know how to output that damage
solid gate
I penned that slant looking bit on the Cent 1’s turret once with a American heavy gun. That may not have been the T34 gun though.
covert dagger
This looks cool.
solid gate
Eh I hate low alpha guns. You have to poke too often and cannot reset camo. If you go to reset camo then you lower effective dpm. That paper dpm is not the true dpm the Centurion 1 has.
regal zealot
I see. No wonder why you’re against my LT suggestion
solid gate
Probably why I don’t get along with Comet very often. It’s too focused on firing often to dish out that damage without giving you room to do other things.
regal zealot
They seem to be ineffective in damage output
But that’s what makes them fun and challenging imho
solid gate
Eh I’m probably never going to like Comet or Centurion I much. In fact Centurion I is particular feels mistiered. Though they could just give it like 210 alpha. The 88mm on Panther would still have 10 more alpha than it that way.
regal zealot
Problem is, a 20-pdr is smaller in caliber compared to a 85mm; it’s an 84mm gun
solid gate
It’s only 4mm difference in caliber yet Wargaming gave them vastly different alphas. #Dumb
regal zealot
But if they give more alpha than an 85mm, that wouldn’t be right though
solid gate
Man to heck with 85mm guns. They aren’t even at tier 8.
Besides this game isn’t 100% logical anyway. So the 84mm should have bigger alpha.
regal zealot
The game is at least logical in how gun calibers work though
regal zealot
But the logical progression from the Comet to the Cent 7/1 would be lost
solid gate
84mm is too small. Heck even the 88mm on Panther II is kinda small.
regal zealot
Hm
solid gate
Comet should be tier 6 to be honest. Cent 1 tier 7 and put a weaker alpha 105mm at tier 8 or make up some 90mm Centurion or other 90mm British tank. I don’t know. The British medium line is messed up.
regal zealot
You are really against gun calibers that are smaller than the tier’s median
solid gate
Like the Crusader shouldn’t be tier V light that leads into those mediums. It should be tier IV and put Centaur with 75mm at tier V.
regal zealot
...
solid gate
@regal zealot Well the Panther 2’s 88mm may be ok but it and the tank (especially the tank) aren’t great from what I hear.
regal zealot
The Panther II’s a glass cannon for such a large tank, that’s why it’s quite hard to use
I’m still planning to grind that tank soon
solid gate
And ok the Panther I had a great gun all along. The problem I had with the tank is lack of armor and the meh gun depression combined.
Panther II is too slow to be a glass cannon. It’s not a Leopard.
regal zealot
Same as the Panther II, it’s main usage is as a support medium; really liked the gun on it
A glass cannon doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s fast and has no armor
solid gate
Eh if a tank is going to have no armor it should be fast so it can potentially move out of the way and not get hit. Otherwise it dies too easily and quickly.
regal zealot
The no armor is true, but there are other glass cannons that have poor mobility, like the Borsig and Sturer Emil
Though they ARE TDs, they still fit the glass cannon definition well
solid gate
Yeah the TDs at least have big guns to compensate. That big hit hurts.
In fact them having big guns is why they have such low armor. Those guns are heavy.
regal zealot
I might give the Panther II a go soon, once I’m done with grinding credits for the event; gonna compare it with the Indien Pz (Researched it through the SP 1 C; can’t be bothered with the Vk 30.02 D)
solid gate
I did bounce a shot off Indien Panzer while playing T-34-1 so I guess that thing can get the very rare troll bounce. At least against tier 7s it can. Still I think Panzer 58 Mutz may be the better armored of the 2.
regal zealot
I’d say the turret armor is pretty comparable to the Pershing’s
solid gate
Well I only played up to maybe 4 battles in Panzer 58 Mutz. It was a decent tank in those battles at the least.
regal zealot
Comparisons with a Centurion I firing AP
solid gate
The only true glass cannon tank I played was AMX CDC. I won one battle and lost one battle in it and in one of those I Aced it. Then I went back to tech tree tanks.
regal zealot
From my experience, the Indien Pz works well like a Rudy at tier VIII
Troll hull front, bouncy sides and real troll turret, with a solid gun to boot
solid gate
Wait why does the Pershing have green in the center of the gun mantlet?
regal zealot
No armor behind the 200mm gun mantlet
solid gate
That’s stupid.
No wonder people pen it so easily. That may have been part of my problem. Especially if they fired prammo through that part of the gun mantlet.
But I doubt anything that isn’t a medium really has to do that.
regal zealot
This is the Centurion in the same position
It just feels much more reliable to bounce with the turret
solid gate
Yeah. The green areas look smaller and harder to hit. Also the red areas are around them so could hit those if he is moving and wiggling the turret. Which I sometimes forget to wiggle. sigh Which makes Pershing easier to pen.
Though I guess mediums are like slower lights with small areas to bounce from. Lights don’t bounce anything though unless it’s a very very very lucky scenario.
pulsar portal
‘Looks at t92* yes, lucky bounces 🤣🤣🤣
solid gate
T92 is an exception to the rule.
pulsar portal
lol
rapid barn
50b need heat as pramo. It’s tier 10 brothers do
hollow notch
I will take apcr over heat anytime if they have the same pen
solid gate
Because APCR isn’t stopped by spaced armor or obstacles like shed thing or fences. Also it has 2 degrees of normalization while HEAT has none. Not that normalization is important but still.
solid gate
I got it! Lansen variants will lead to the Ikv-91 and Ikv 105. Or mix it up a bit and put Ikv-91 as a tier 8 then another Lansen then the Ikv 105.
regal zealot
But the progression from IKV-91 to the IKV-105 makes more sense than the IKV-91 to a Lansen to the IKV-105
So, a Lansen with a 90mm at tier VIII before transitioning to the IKV-91
However, the IKVs don’t have the best acceleration, with a P/W ratio of 20hp/t
iron egret
Is the Leopard 1 just as good as E 50 M for its role?
Im not sure whether i should go for Leo or E 50 M
hollow belfry
They have different roles
Depends if you want a sharpshooter with very good gun (arguably the best amongst T10 mediums) and mobility, but with weak armor, or a more sluggish, but heavily armored and quite potent for ramming and cqc
zealous anchor
@iron egret if you ask me I feel that the E50M is better in it's role
iron egret
Well the Leo has a DPM that matches T-62A and Obj 140 but with no armour at all
thin goblet
Gg
jade agate
@thin goblet thx 😊
thin goblet
I'm moet even half way there 😅
I have 4 tier 10
So it's going to take a while before Ik get there
brave glen
I won't even bother researching everything, my 7 tier 10s are already plenty
thin goblet
That's true
brave glen
Though in terms of clan war tanks, I need substantially more
Meta constantly changes, always need new tanks
One day 113 is meta and the next day its fv215b
And now it's slowly becoming an E5 heavy meta
Though the 215b is still the go to tourney tank
frozen moth
Researched the t57 heavy and the td obj 268 just coining my gold tanks now to buy one of them, was wanting the obj but since the update I am thinking the t57 heavy what you think?
torpid lagoon
Since we have ATGMs already in the game, How come the Kpfpz 70 doesn't have it, the tank also had ATGMs on its loadout of shells
solid gate
WG said that they would consider giving ATGMs to Kampfpanzer 70 if they aren’t game breaking
zenith ruin
If the Kpfpz 70 gets ATGM. The T92E1 and the Sheridan are in trouble.
The maps will spammed with the Kpfpz 70's
deep ivy
@brave glen ur right. I researched Maus when it was meta. Now FV215b is meta, turning towards T110E5. I'm a heavy tank guy, yet every time a switch comes I cannot switch fast enough. I don't own the FV215b nor the T110E5, but am prepared for E100, Maus, WZ 113, VK 90.01 and AMX 50 B
Oh, and the T95E6, Chieftain mk. 6 and IS-4
brave glen
E6 and Chieftain will never be meta 🤡
iron egret
Uh just checked the T-34-3 and it has 1,669 DPM...
Is it actually good or?
Im guessing it has armour, but 1,669 DPM in VIII is unbelievable
brave glen
@iron egret it's a peek a boom tank, not a brawler
just stay hulldown and keep your distance unless they're a one shot
iron egret
Ah lemme guess
Godly accuracy, tough turret, and good pen
rigid thunder
it has a crappy hull, turret is good but not on the 59's level
brave glen
@iron egret very good aim time, decent turret, pen is ok
rigid thunder
It has good aim time and decent enough accuracy, since you can forgo vstabs and run refined gun on a MT due to the amazing aim time. The base pen at 175 is crap, but the HEAT has 250 pen, which is cool
brave glen
But yknow what they say...
Just get a ravioli because its op
Ravioli is just plain stupid now, high alpha, high dpm
rigid thunder
good gun depression and a typical sherman turret (good large mantlet, bad everything else)
brave glen
Doesn't matter if the armour is trash if it can out trade almost any medium 🤡
and even if it can't out trade them it can just out right out dpm them 🤡
rotund palm
What is better IS 7 or IS 4 ?
rigid thunder
IS-4
rotund palm
Should i go for IS 4?
rigid thunder
You should, but I'd advise going for at least the IS-3's BL-9 gun first
rotund palm
I have IS 8 tier X gun but I don't use IS 8 now cause i mostly get ammo racked infront
I have my KV 4 with 70k xp and i have 83k free exp so i just need a few more
deep ivy
@brave glen and it doesn't need to outtrade them if the turret (believe it or not) can be used to trol
@rotund palm I free xpd past KV-4 and ST-I. IS-4 is a great tank
brave glen
@deep ivy I have the tank, I know the gun mantlet is surprisingly bouncy against low pen mediums at its tier
lethal lark
what do you guys think about the t23e3 (i unlocked it a 2 days ago) and i think its a really good tank
lyric oriole
Powercreeped beyond help, the penetration isn't bad but the Ammo Rack Location, and the lack of armor is an issue for it.
The reverse speed is great for memes, but it's not too useful in most cases
deep ivy
T23E3? The crap machine gun? What about it?
solid gate
@regal zealot Actually I rethought that. Still going to be a bit weird but the Ikv-91 will lead to the Ikv 105. Then that leads to one of the Lansen tier 10s. Now why 2 of them? Because why not. They don’t have the exact same 105mm so one of the Lansens at tier 10 could be weaker or stronger or just different somehow.
@lyric oriole At least it’s faster than Comet and has 160mm of pen instead of 148mm.
lethal lark
@lyric oriole i got a lot of bounces in like 50 battles
also i take 1 multi repair kit and 1 normal repair kit
lyric oriole
Instead is doesn't have troll turret armor, and terrible module positioning.
lethal lark
it has really good gun depression
solid gate
I’ve never had a problem with T23E3 modules when I ran it.
regal zealot
Why not the same Lansen with researchable alternate gun? @solid gate
solid gate
Because I wanted to put the Ikvs in there. Ikv-91 at tier 9 was a bit of a stretch as it would need Ikv 105’s gun as it’s top gun.
lethal lark
also it has a really good reload time
solid gate
T23E3 is better than Comet except for the armor. Yeah I said it.
regal zealot
I meant the two tier X Lansens being combined into one, with alternate 105mm gun option
solid gate
I know what you meant. But I like my idea better. That way the Ikv-91 gets to be a tier 8 and use it’s 90mm instead of unrealistically using the Ikv 105’s gun.
regal zealot
I know what you mean with the IKV being tier VIII and IX respectively, but how many Lansens for tier X?
solid gate
The only other option is have Ikvs as TDs (some sites claim them to be that). But then you run into the problem of having TDs from tier 8-10.
@regal zealot Just 2. I only found 2 with 105mm guns. There are also 2 Lansens with 90mms, 3 with 84mms, and 1 with a 75mm.
regal zealot
So make both 105mm guns choosable on the Lansen
solid gate
Who remembers Luchs and t28 med
But then the Ikvs cannot be there. Wargaming doesn’t like doing branch offs that are 1 or 2 tiers only. Except the Russian tech tree having T-62A and Object 140 going off from T-54.
The Ikvs could be turreted TDs I guess but you still have the issue of tier 8-10 TDs.
Though even the way I have it at least one tank is going to get a gun it shouldn’t have. That’s one of the 90mm using Lansens.
solid gate
But actually the Ikvs are fast so they are better suited to be light tanks. Eh your idea is terrible because small guns at too high of tiers.
Mine isn’t perfect either but I feel it’s a lot better.
regal zealot
Well, the AMX 13 90 can perform against tier X in WoT with its 90mm, why can't the Scorpion 90 do the same?
solid gate
Nobody is going to want to play a dinky little 75/76mm at tiers 9 and 10. Hard enough to play something like a 90-105mm at those tiers. AMX 13 90 doesn’t always see tier 9 though it may see a few often.
regal zealot
Though it is more of a designated scout in WoT
I'd rather drive the Scorpions over the abomination that is the British LT line in WoT
Like, they said that the light tanks there have great alpha for their tier, but that's BS
solid gate
Ah! You’re talking about British lights. See I haven’t figured that line out yet. I recall there were a few I saw but we’re still missing some.
regal zealot
Especially the Manticore. Like, what in tarnation is that tank!? Only 16 rounds of ammo and not even the highest non-derp alpha shot amongst the lights, just on par with the 105mm guns on the Wz and Sheridan
And yes, there was an uproar in the community because of how inaccurate their descriptions on the British LTs are
The rest of the LT line has low DPM, low alpha and all that for what?
Better view range? Nope. Better camo? Maybe
I'll just post what I want the British LTs to be like here, just wait a bit
solid gate
I see. I think the Scorpion could be tier 6 or 7 and the 90 version above that. Still have the problem of at least a 9 and tier 10 British light tank.
regal zealot
Tier VIII: FV107 Scimitar
Top Gun: 30mm RARDEN autocannon
RoF = 100rpm (2s 10 shot burst, 4s reload)
Ammo Stowage: 250
Pen: (160mm APCR/200mm APCR/60mm HESH)
Damage: (25 APCR/18 APCR/35 HESH)
DPM: (2500 APCR/1800 APCR/3500 HESH)
Accuracy: 0.325
Engine: Cummins BTA 5.9L Diesel (190hp)
Weight: 7.8t
P/W ratio: 24.36hp/t
Terrain Resistances: 0.9/1.1/1.4
Top Speed: 70kph
Hull Traverse Speed: 44°/s
Turret Traverse Speed: 50°/s
Hull Armor: 20/15/10
Turret Armor: 30/20/10
Hitpoints: 1200hp
Camo: 37/37/18
...
Tier IX: FV101 Scorpion 76
Top Gun: 76mm L23A1
RoF: 18rpm
Ammo Stowage: 48
Pen: (198mm APCR/270mm HEAT/102mm HESH)
Alpha: (160 APCR/135 HEAT/220 HESH)
DPM: (2880 APCR/2430 HEAT/3960 HESH)
Accuracy: 0.310
Engine: Cummins BTA 5.9L Diesel (190hp)
Weight: 8.07t
P/W ratio: 23.54hp/t
Terrain Resistances: 0.8/1.0/1.2
Top Speed: 72kph
Hull Traverse Speed: 52°/s
Turret Traverse Speed: 56°/s
Hull Armor: 30/20/10
Turret Armor: 30/20/10
Hitpoints: 1500hp
Camo Percentage: 42/42/18
...
solid gate
Eh I’d say Scorpion (76) at tier 7 maybe then Scorpion 90 at tier 8. Tier 9 is hard to figure then we have RO2004 as tier 10.
30mm cannon is too small for even tier 7. Yet the tank is way too fast for low tiers. I’m discarding the Scimitar.
regal zealot
Tier X: FV101 Scorpion 90
Main Gun: 90mm Mk3 M-A1
RoF: 15rpm
Ammo Stowage: 40
Pen: (220mm APCR/280mm HEAT/102mm HESH)
Alpha: (225 APCR/180 HEAT/270 HESH)
DPM: (3375 APCR/2700 HEAT/4050 HESH)
Accuracy: 0.305
Engine: Cummins BTA 5.9L Diesel (190hp)
Weight: 8.07t
P/W ratio: 23.54hp/t
Terrain Resistances: 0.5/0.8/1.0
Top Speed: 80kph
Hull Traverse: 66°/s
Turret Traverse: 66°/s
Hull Armor: 30/20/10
Turret Armor: 40/20/10
Hitpoints: 1700hp
Camo Percentage: 47/47/18
solid gate
Mmm. Mmm. I don’t like it.
RO2004 has to top the line. The only tank missing is a tier 9. The Scorpion 90 should be tier 8. Now tiers 6 and 7 are tricky. It would be odd to go FV-101 Scorpion then the A46 but the A46 has a 77mm HV gun.
regal zealot
I wouldn't want the RO2004 to be the top of the tree as it's 80's tech, which is way beyond the scope of the game
solid gate
Also what tier are we even starting this line from?
regal zealot
If I put all three tanks down a tier, prolly would lead from the Cromwell, though I have to adjust all the stats again
As for now, there is an unfilled tier VII space for the LTs
solid gate
Dude then you have to make up a Scorpion 105 and that could only be tier 9. What then? A Scorpion 115 or some crap? Or maybe a Scorpion 105-II/V2.
austere kite
bought 1 chest lol (accidently bc i thought i dont have the money)
regal zealot
Don't think that a 105 would fit the turret of the Scorpion, if it could, that would be an easy tier X LT for the Brits
Just look, this 90mm gun just looks quite big on this tank
solid gate
And how is RO4005 too modern? It’s top speed is 55kph (kinda slow to be honest) and it’s 1985. Which you can claim well the Abrams was build in 1980s. Yes but the current Abrams variants still in use were not. I’d say anything past 1990 would be too modern.
regal zealot
My hard limit would be the early 70s, which includes the KpfPz 70 and these LTs
solid gate
Eh I wouldn’t play any 90mm gun at tier 10. That’s just too hard for the average player.
The low alpha of 225 wouldn’t do jack. And if it had low pen too then it’ll be useless. Sorry but Scorpion 90 at tier 10 just won’t work.
I mean you’d have to break the established stuff and give it high pen and rof plus maybe give the tank more HP than any other light tank. Maybe even more than the mediums at that tier. Wargaming won’t do that though. They’ll make the tank a piece of trash.
regal zealot
Ofc, that's not how I'd want it to work. It's mainly a scout LT, with the DPM as a bonus feature of the Scorpion. With the small profile and great mobility, it can scout with great proficiency, while it's DPM being used only in certain situations, if it gets presented a chance to dump it's DPM on the flanks
Well, that's how I perceive it
solid gate
I don’t think people will play it anyway because your proposed Scimitar would be a turn off. Bad enough if you put a 75-77mm gun at tier 8. Anything smaller than that....... Well let’s just say not many if anybody would want to play that.
regal zealot
Wonder what would happen if I just replace the Scimitar with the A46 instead for a tier VIII, which is lead from the Comet
solid gate
Anyway this point I say we discontinue this conversation though. It’s not going to get us anywhere. I’d say forget British light tanks. Though I would restructure the British medium tanks if I had the authority. Put a Centurion Mk 5 and tier 8 with 310 alpha on it’s 105mm L7 gun. In fact may rename it just L7 and not L7A1.
regal zealot
Funnily enough, the A46 has the option to mount a 1000hp engine to it's 16t chassis
Well, it is a Rolls Royce Meteor, supercharged
But realistically, that's a bit too much power for a light chassis
solid gate
What about Chieftain Mk 6? When was that made?
regal zealot
The FV301 would be an interesting option too
solid gate
FV301?
bright folio
@solid gate 1975.
regal zealot
FV301, which is a light tank that is closely related to Bert the Avenger (FV304) @solid gate
This little boy
solid gate
TE says Mk 6 is 1979 upgraded version of the Chieftain Mk 2 to fit the standards of the Mk 5.
regal zealot
The FV301's rear is the FV304's front
solid gate
Also is that a 76mm gun on that thing? What type is the FV304?
regal zealot
Bert the Avenger, a 25-pdr artillery piece
regal zealot
And the FV301 wields the 77mm gun of the Churchill Mk VII and A46
solid gate
Ah
covert dagger
Looks like something just to support infantry instead of a break-through or an assault tank.
glass relic
And now i just wonder, how will the missiles worked on realistic gamemode.
Will it's mechanics be the same or.. it'll got some unique changes to use it. I wonder.
feral hedge
solid gate
basically the Russian skorpion
lethal lark
yesterday i bounced 6 shots in a amx 13 75 🙂
total 2 k dmg bounced
poor t26e4
wich shot those shots
modern solstice
Is VK 45.03 underpowered now that tiger 1 has recieved a buff to it's front?
solid gate
vk 45.03 has always been underpowered
modern solstice
Err more underpowered than before ahahaha
vivid owl
How do I play the type 58?
sturdy crescent
nice Game with twins brothers T30 T34 T29
narrow rampart
@feral hedge @solid gate check #coming-soon
solid gate
@narrow rampart I don't find it op in the games that I've been in but we will see..
narrow rampart
In Open Test 6.8, it has been buffed in terms of armour to reduce HE damage from lower caliber guns
Glass canon like that is pretty hard to balance I think with the smaller teams and maps
solid gate
ig
frigid compass
@narrow rampart its actually nerfed
SU-130PM armor got nerfed
from being only overmatchable by 120mm+ guns on the ufp to being overmatchable by even tier 3s
narrow rampart
I've checked Blitzhangar again, and indeed you are correct. The slider seems to indicate the other way around though. Thanks mate
solid gate
a wild OF 40 appears
carmine pulsar
A wild Sheridan shows up.
grizzled dock
Sherman jumbo
solid gate
I drew up my Swedish Light tank line. Now just to do the medium one. And of course might pull British lights together eventually.
carmine pulsar
Yawns
uncut basin
Could I ask a tank related question here?
carmine pulsar
Yeah.
narrow rampart
That has been there for ages but it won't come to Blitz
red grotto
Wait, will SU-130PM be added to blitz?
solid gate
there is a sturmtiger tank in war thunder that u could drive but thats another game completely
it has already been introduced in blitz
candid slate
Wg should remove the t92's missile rocket except the sherridan cuz so many missiles in this game
solid gate
I think Wargaming needs to nerf T29E1’s armor a bit and adjust the rockets as Meadsy said.
candid slate
That's good idea but I'm sure some players should leave playing at tier 8-9 about this missile ...
T92 is too OP with his missile if wg nerf in anyway
narrow shadow
Meadsy's idea about the missiles is definitely bad, cuz whats the point of the missile then ? I have no ideas how to fix it, but that is definitely not the way to go
candid slate
@narrow shadowwell ...
narrow shadow
It's true, what is the point of missiles when u can't use them at long range cuz they're slow, and you have to peek and stay exposed the entire time the missile is in flight?
candid slate
I'm not the only one who have problems about t92 but so many players so i recommend to remove that b i t c h disgusting t92's missile
No other ideas
Sry for the Abusing the tank xD
bright folio
The missiles(as well as Foch 155 prammo) should get 480 alpha.
solid gate
I’m not sure about Foch (155). Also would like a Foch B but some people don’t. It wouldn’t necessarily be broken if done right.
prime vale
Foch needs a mobility nerf
solid gate
Why is there a tier 8 with a 300 mm turret? What is the purpose? Why wg? One more y why would you do that. What about all the other tanks out there? The older ones. Garage slots? Dust in the corner? You are making the game suck. Don’t forget get about your older players.
bright folio
@solid gate Are you talking about the T32? It's far from overpowered.
frigid compass
rock hard turret but piss poor gun pen
solid gate
Wz 111 5A
frigid compass
damn thing has easily hittable hatches
@solid gate also have you seen the IS-4 turret
solid gate
Yes it’s a tier ten
frigid compass
WZ-111 5A is also tier 10
fading ginkgo
Is it good?
frigid compass
you're out of your mind if you call the WZ-111 5A turret insane
solid gate
My bad.
frigid compass
IS-4 has a crap ton more armor in the turret
bright folio
There is a WZ-111 at T8, but it's mediocre at best.
frigid compass
it has a good turret but trash hull
fading ginkgo
I think 111 Glacial needs an armor nerf, it trolls tier VIII-VII Battles for ages
frigid compass
112 glacial is superior compared to the WZ-111 and WZ-112-2 is superior compared to all of them
@fading ginkgo lfp and hatches are the way to go
fading ginkgo
@frigid compass I know but at the critical moments with my IS-5 Guardian, needs a Long time of aiming and when the circle shrinks, he disappeared
frigid compass
Enhanced Gun Laying Drive and Vertical Stablizers (Equipment)
fading ginkgo
Ohhhh, of course! Even I ran it with Calibrated shells
I do that usually,firing 1 or 2 seconds of aiming. But the result is miss or ricochet
frigid compass
wanna know something funny?
fading ginkgo
Yes!
frigid compass
The IS-5 has worse gun handling than the Smasher which is a 152mm gun a tier below
fading ginkgo
#smasher brokes the game
Or, they don't have to nerf the Glacial. They have to buff the IS-5's Aiming time
And don't forget to buff the Kampfpanzer 70
frigid compass
Kpz-70 in the game is far from realistic
inland osprey
So is the Vulcan
fading ginkgo
Yes, when u run Calibrated shells, u will have a year of reloading (I mean 15.9 seconds of reload). When u run the gun rammer, u have shit penetration. Cmon.... Kpf 70 is an MBT!
frigid compass
if vulcans were more common Smashers would have a little problem
also a Smasher running calibrated has more dpm than the Kpz-70 thats running rammer
frigid compass
yep
inland osprey
Mmm the Smasher would actually be fine at tier 8, if not better
frigid compass
if both the kpz and smasher are running calibrated the smasher would have 1094 more dpm on its HE
fading ginkgo
M4GOD
frigid compass
@inland osprey then it would need a little tweaking on the armor department because less armor than every med except the rev isnt great on a 35kmh tank that can meet tier 9s
inland osprey
Oh the Smasher runs at 35km/h?
I thought it used to be very fast
frigid compass
it has 150mm armor on the thickest frontally which is laughable at tier 8 heavy tank wise
fading ginkgo
Wargaming!! Listen to me. You have to buff the Kampfpanzer 70 or the Main Battle Tank 70. We're disappointed with the gun because when you have gun rammer it goes with bad penetration. When you have Calibrated shells you will have a long reload time. Cmon.... Kpf is an Main Battle Tank!!!! At least change the reload time to 13.5 seconds and raise the HE dmg to 930.
Thanks for Ur advice
-Nishizumi Miho
(I hope the Devs are read it)
frigid compass
the Kpz-70 would be overpowered with fully accurate stats
fading ginkgo
Yea but at least reduce the reload time
frigid compass
its tier 10 or higher material with full on accurate stats
fading ginkgo
Or don't change the reload time, change the Penetration into 266MM and raise the dmg to 600. That's enough
solid gate
@frigid compass lol
frigid compass
or give it 70kmh top speed like its irl counterpart
a 70kmh Kpz would be faster than the leopard
fading ginkgo
BC be like: aight imma head out
Btw Kpfpz's Turret is Super Amazing. I can bounce 3 Deathstar's shot at the time
frigid compass
the kpz has the unmanned 20mm autocannon as a weakspot which i find to be weird
fading ginkgo
And don't forget it has 2 cupolas
frigid compass
the cupola is near the rear of the turret
solid gate
Yes kpf needs a buff. If you say otherwise you needa go back to tier 4.
frigid compass
fading ginkgo
Who's Agree with me that Kpfpz 70 needs a buff?
solid gate
Kpz 70 traveled at 65-72kmh but the most common max speed was often 68-69kmh
fading ginkgo
Yep
frigid compass
69 nice
solid gate
Leopard 2 still can move faster than it ish
frigid compass
Kpz-70 with accurate speed stats in blitz would be quite overpowered sadly
solid gate
Trash frontal armor. Trash dpm. OK mobility. Great turret (trash gun depression). OK but more on the worse side for a gun. Trash pen. OK alpha. Trash side/unangled rear.
fading ginkgo
Btw what is this?
frigid compass
convoy light or whatever
fading ginkgo
That's a light?
I found that thing on Sp1c too
Those tanks are produced at 1965 btw
frigid compass
why would it be there on a prototype
fading ginkgo
So those are Prototype?
solid gate
They both are
frigid compass
both kpz and sp i c are prototypes
solid gate
If wotb was completely realistic leopard 1 would be the best tier 10 tank.
fading ginkgo
What's the Successor of the Sp1c?
solid gate
@solid gate no not at all
bright folio
@solid gate If it was completely realistic, the Cheiftan Mk. 6 would top T10.
solid gate
Ya but that a premium tank
fading ginkgo
Kpf is premium tho
frigid compass
Chieftain APDS having less pen than the Maus gun makes 0 sense
solid gate
I said tier 10
@solid gate what’s your point again
Mk6 is a T10.....
Leo 1 is the most modern tier 10 tech tree tank?!
frigid compass
Leopard if realistic would have one of the highest pens in tier 10
fading ginkgo
@solid gate probably
solid gate
@solid gate still completely wrong
frigid compass
@solid gate thats the Chieftain