vehicles-discussion

[tame jungle]

It’d be nice to know for sure

[karmic field]

400 meters is the whole map. That makes ATGM artillery. 250 meters is still most of a map, and it requires skill to hit

[tame jungle]

I swear the maps are bigger than that?

Are they really that small?

[karmic field]

300 on average, up to 400-500 for some, yeah. Generally shooting range is up to a max of 200-300, depending on map

[tame jungle]

Huh

I coulda swore I’ve seen my range finder go up to 800

It was probably me putting it outside of bounds maybe

[scarlet nest]

I thougut 500 x 500m was full map

[karmic field]

not on a map like Mines it isn't

And that's exactly my point. It's not supposed to cross a full map, that would be broken. They make it up to 250 for the purpose of balance, because the T49A yeeting shells across the entire map didn't work

[tame jungle]

Yea

[karmic field]

actually yeah now that I think about it, 400-500 is pretty average for map size, 600-700 on the huge ones, but almost no maps have lines of fire above 300 (cough dead rail oasis sands)

[tame jungle]

Lel

[olive mountain]

Maus & E100 (T10 HT)
Which one is better?

[livid vale]

any thought of fcm 1/char 2c and kv6?

[rigid thunder]

Probably the maus, it doesn't have a gigantic weak spot that is the turret, lower plate is much stronger as well.

[karmic field]

Maus is better, yes

[solid trench]

For tier 3 which one would work better? Pz 3 ; Pz 3 A or Pz 4 A

[calm inlet]

just use the Pz. III

all 3 are ok though

[solid trench]

Thx

[rancid mauve]

Was there a FV4202 buff recently??

[calm inlet]

nope

unfortunately

[mortal bison]

The M6A2E1 needs a nerf.

[calm inlet]

why?

premium shells can pen the turret cheeks

and if the tank turns at all, the sides and rear are basically toilet paper

[mortal bison]

I can only pen the turret side with apc shells. Other than that, the very low plate is penetratable. Other than that, everyone on the team is screwed

[calm inlet]

thats all an M6 needs to angle for it to get tracked and penned

lights and mediums need to be able to use their mobility and get to its side. or even just a bit of an angle to its side is enough

man if you think is OP, you’d have hated -2/+2 MM

where Comets faced E 75’s

T-34-85’s vs IS-6’s

[mortal bison]

I remember going headstrong with an E-50

We both couldn't pen while we rammed each other

[blissful rune]

I remember my jag mastery, blitzstars hall of fame is only submitted, got 8.9k in the 8.8, but the damn file is corrupted

too new to realize that i could submit it

[leaden galleon]

JagPz. E 100 Thanos

Thanks for the idea in memes @mortal bison lmao

[mortal bison]

@leaden galleon Np broski lol

[glass crypt]

should i purchase the kv4 or is3 first?

oh nvm ignore that i forgot i can get the tiger2

[stark owl]

t26e5 sucks

surprisingly more than the t26e4 which I thought wan't possib;e

[rigid thunder]

It's a very strong heavium, you're clearly playing it wrong

[crude gorge]

t26e5 is like a more armored pershing

[narrow shadow]

T26E5 looks like an amazing tank. It has a better gun than T32, while still having good enough turret armour , better speed and similar hull armour. I don't see how it is bad

[bright folio]

Maybe it's something to do with the gun?

I don't know however, just speculating.

[narrow shadow]

People buy it and expect it to be OP like it once was on PC. But it is actually balanced here, although imo it is better than T32, cuz it can wreck meds better with the extra speed, and heavies still struggle vs the turret cuz its good enough

[bright folio]

I'm pretty sure that the T32's strong point, the nigh-invincible turret, is so strong that it's overkill. It could take a nerf to the turret in exchange for buffs elsewhere, and the effectiveness of the turret would not change much.

[crude gorge]

it could use a penetration buff in exchange for a few turret armor

like probably from 215-221mm for the AP

[blissful rune]

@narrow shadow still not worth 12k gold

[narrow shadow]

I never said it is

[tulip sail]

@livid vale id love to see the fcm1 or the char 2c as long as the dont do what they did with the tog however i really wouldnt want to see the kv6

[woven stone]

Is the VK 168.01(P) better or the E75 TS?

[narrow shadow]

Absolutely not

[blissful rune]

Yes

[hearty cape]

What tank is this

[blissful rune]

Vk90.01p

[neat nimbus]

another pay to get event

[hearty cape]

Ye

[neat nimbus]

expect low tiers free collectors tanks

[bright folio]

I'd find it hilarious, surprising, disappointing, and relieving if wg released the vk 90 p for free as the free christmas tank.

[livid vale]

Same, but we all know the answer that won't happen.

they will put vk on store to earn more money

[woven stone]

No they will probably put it in a event where one has to spend hundred to get it (like the T-22)

[glass relic]

What another tree decorating crates opening shenanigans? Gosh it was awful.

[woven stone]

Well something similar

Cause it's probably the main tank of this christmas event

Which I'm predicting is coming next week

[glass relic]

Well yeah it'll obviously, but well.. just hope there'll be a free spin... Like last year.. at least.

[woven stone]

Yeah all I want is the Helsing

I don't really care about anything else

[hearty cape]

Yesh freeee spin is all I need

[glass relic]

Well I'm fine with most of it, since it's free and I'd be pleased if i got the 10k gold.

[hearty cape]

^

[woven stone]

Hopefully not a "battle-pass" like the Halloween event

[glass relic]

So i can wait for other time to get the tank that i can guarantee buy

[hearty cape]

The auction thing will be on as well won’t it?

[woven stone]

Yeah it is every year

[glass relic]

The battle pass is worth it tho. You can get a lot of stuff that is way worth more the price for the pass.

[woven stone]

Which is probably where I'm going to get the Helsing

[glass relic]

Well at least just makes it optional

[woven stone]

Yeah true the battle pass is worth it only if you have the time to grind

[glass relic]

Either grind way up or use battle pass to well pass some obstacles on the event. And not.. making the battle pass a full fledged thing to pass the event.

Seeing Lycan users angling their hull, is just pathetic to see, it's like fighting an IS-3 that is angling

Or most of pike nosed tanks... Trying to angle basically

[inland osprey]

T92E1 looks like a very weird T49 with its rear half cut off

[solid gate]

Puncake tenk

[merry current]

It’s the hull of the t92 LT, search up on wot pc

[solid gate]

The only other tank closest to what it looks like is the Tusk from Wot Console Merc tenks

[inland osprey]

Oh I see
It just looks weird with the oversized T49/Sheridan turret on it

[solid gate]

It'll prolly be fast

Hopefully

[limpid mauve]

I have the Tiger Porsche which line should I go down?

[karmic field]

100.01 is better, by far

[limpid mauve]

Ok

[karmic field]

Slower, but the tanks in general are just better, when figured out

[drowsy vector]

Is the pz38H a maus at tier 2?

[sacred ravine]

hhhhhmmmmm.... if u have half a brain and dont go side on yeah

[valid lodge]

Pz38h is basically a tier 2 maus. It's weaker now though. When it went against the old tier 1 you could basically sit in the open, never move anything other than your turret and win. However it got weaker when they made several tier 2's the new tier 1's

[solid gate]

T-34-3 needs a small buff...

[frosty obsidian]

M2 Light by far the best tank in wot blitz end of discussion

[topaz light]

duck is far superior

[warm snow]

pz S35 worth keeping? worth 1200 to sell lol

[rigid thunder]

Keep it until you see something that you want to buy with gold, the S35 is pretty bad after 5.5

[warm snow]

m3 light? 850 sell

[rigid thunder]

just keep them all until you actually need the gold. Most low tier premium tanks turned collectors are all pretty garbage

[warm snow]

sounds good

[bright folio]

Can you restore premiums turned collectors?

[rigid thunder]

yes, but it will cost you gold

[bright folio]

Thanks. The BT-Arty, of all things, free for Christmas, was what kept me playing this game.

[neat nimbus]

hope wg give for free that tank

[merry panther]

Nerf the Smasher

[tepid smelt]

i agree

[merry panther]

Well we already know people with the smasher are gonna say "oh no it's perfectly balanced" when it's not.

[tame jungle]

It’s balanced by the same reason the ke ni otsu is

Too uncommon

[merry panther]

No... The smasher is not "too uncommon" you can NOT compare the smasher and the ke ni otsu together

Only like 5 people in the WORLD have the ke ni otsu and like 1K have the smasher

[tame jungle]

And by comparison, there’s a lot more people playing 6-8 then 2-4

[valid lodge]

Ahem. I have the smasher and wouldn't mind it being nerfed. Just cause someone owns a tank doesn't mean they will always say it doesn't need a nerf.

[tame jungle]

People leave low tier faster nowadays (too fast if you ask me #undo 5.5)

[merry panther]

Bruh I literally saw a smasher HE kill a vk 100P in the side of the turret for 1K damage and killed it

[tame jungle]

Almost impossible

[merry panther]

Thanks @valid lodge

[tame jungle]

Then penetration values aren’t high enough

[merry panther]

@tame jungle I saw it. I even had a screenshot

[tame jungle]

Quite possibly a very lucky shot, but I guarantee can almost not be recreated

[merry panther]

No

It can. One of my clan mates pulled up armor inspector and had the smasher with HE on the side of a VK 100P and it can pen

[solid gate]

Is3 need s a Hull buff

[merry panther]

No

IS3 is actually quite balanced KINDA

[sinful current]

The frontle armor could use a few more MM but when I mean a few I mean like 2-5 more or something

[tame jungle]

Yea I doubt that

What probably happened was he over matched the engine deck

[merry panther]

Give me a few minutes I will see if I can find that screenshot again

I found it

Where do I post the screenshot at?

[tame jungle]

Here probably

[merry panther]

How about #screenshots

[tame jungle]

Then do it

[livid yacht]

Just DO IT !

[rocky gazelle]

Since when did the King Tiger have beast front armor? Always wanted to ask about this..

[tame jungle]

King tiger isn’t in game yet

Do you mean tiger 2?

(And before someone says something, I am right. Pc has Tiger 2 and King Tiger which is an American captured tiger 2 with altered stats)

[rocky gazelle]

@tame jungle don't you say you don't know what I mean. And besides, I don't know the PC version. So if I say King Tiger then most likely I mean what historically called Königstiger. But eh, semantics...

So yes. Tiger 2.

[inland osprey]

The buff made its frontal armor more effective than the E-75

[rocky gazelle]

Yeah exactly. Atleast with E75, as long as you're the same tier, you can hope for lower glacis. Not so with Tiger 2.

Ut interestingly, I don't think it's game-breaking

But*

[solid gate]

VK 30.01 D or VK 28.01?

28.01

[narrow shadow]

30.01D cuz E50M is gucci

[solid gate]

You can get to E50M through 28.01 line also...

[rigid thunder]

no you can't, you can get the leopard 1

[solid gate]

Yes, miss click 🙈

But VK28 is best med at its tier imo, then after it the indien is unbelievable, RU251 even better and Leo1 is already good and will be op after next buff in right hands.
I am struggling with Leopard1, but it is still exceptional piece of art. Just more difficult to do well than most other meds

[zinc condor]

Vk 28.01 is a light tho

[carmine pulsar]

Vk 28.01 line leads to the leopard 1

[solid gate]

@solid gate VK 28 and RU are light tanks not meds mate.

TL-1 LPC from PC looks like a T95 hull with a Patton turret on top.

@solid gate and that fact changes nothing since you can brawl with vk28 against meds really well, it's not like bc25t which is a great light but no chance against mediums in 1-1 brawl. I am aware of vk being a light, was writing and working at the same time and didn't think it's necessary to mention..

@solid gate I wouldn’t brawl a medium with it unless I had hit point advantage. Otherwise you’re more likely to lose than they are.

Well I quess I play it wrong then..

Honestly the thing is a little harder to play now than back in the day. They gave it the nerf hammer some time ago. Major nerf set.

Ok, didn't know that. Been playing mostly 8-10 for the last year or so. Back in the day when I had it, it was op.
What they changed? Dpm?
I mean it could bounce, dpm was good and fast as a lightning.
@solid gate

They nerfed the gun depression and a few other things. Dpm I don’t think they nerfed.

[glass crypt]

does swinging the tiger2 stock turret actually work or am i extremely lucky

[proven jasper]

Any advice on how to use the derp gun of t49 wisely? I miss so many shots

[narrow shadow]

No Tiger 2 Stock turret is useless. Free xp the top one immediately @glass crypt

[glass crypt]

i plan on doing that but dont have 22k laying around, need to grind more 🍤

[subtle mason]

Help me out, folks! What to buy, T34 or type62 with 30 days of premium and legendary camo? Created a new account.

I've also played T34, it has a good farm but I don't like it as a tank.

[hardy sparrow]

@subtle mason type 62

[vague lagoon]

@subtle mason type62 stunningly good deal and a Freexp machine (relatively for tier 7)

Is it worth using a 50% cert to reduce the grind to Standard B?

I'm enjoying the Pantera ans would normally slowly grind but i assume the Standard is getting hammered in 6.7 or 6.8

[karmic field]

I assume the standard nerfs will just be HE pen and maybe a degree off gun depression

[hollow rain]

Anyone know when gonna update?

[woven stone]

Next week

[woven stone]

Probably on Tuesday or Wednesday I predict

[stable pasture]

Does it pay off? Which one should I take?

[calm inlet]

vents

also grab the optics at least

[bright folio]

@stable pasture what tank is this?

[stable pasture]

Leopard

[frigid compass]

why do people even pick vents

well unless CS does jack crap to pen vents is meh

[bright folio]

Alternatively, if the gun has very high pen as is, vents improving general stats is more useful.

[stable pasture]

Leopard, German Light Tier 5 tank

I am beginner, not sure about all stats

[bright folio]

I know as much. run CS for higher penetration.

[stable pasture]

Okay

[bright folio]

Also, throw some apcr in there. You'll need it.

[floral thunder]

yeah calibrated shells are the go to when using Leopard as it sees tier 6 tanks

[glass crypt]

h u h, imo vents are way to nice to give up for extra pen, as most of the time if i ever fight a t6/heavy i would be knife fighting 🦐

[solid gate]

I fondly remember the days of running vents, rammer, and vertical stabilizer. I miss those days

[wise moth]

@solid gate You can’t deny it was kinda boring though. Everyone put that exact same setup on every tank

[narrow shadow]

It's still the case pretty much right now. And some equipment outright breaks the game, like calibrated shells at T10

[kindred wren]

Have an X from me for that

[solid gate]

On mediums and lights yes. Maybe they dropped vents for optics. Heavies and TDS had their own set ups as well. I still think the old system was far better balance wise. @wise moth

[neat nimbus]

Anyone else realizes or thought that helsing is actually a test for the Soviet double gun mechanic? And is probably considering about how the players would react

[dusky stone]

That’s what I thought (blitz is a sandbox for PC to test out new things imo)

[wraith depot]

@kindred wren Lux Novum

[kindred wren]

I know the clan, but have nothing to do with it

[mint kettle]

Are the ATGM tanks coming after the tier 8 t49?

[neat nimbus]

The Japanese TDs doesn't seem bad

[bright folio]

I’m looking forward to them.

[lean sandal]

Hey uh I wanna make a you tube channel about world of tanks

Wish I could talk to wargaming staff about my new YouTube channel

[tacit lava]

When played right CDC is good right?

Bc I have it but don't play it much bc I have others o like

[blissful rune]

@mint kettle
Yup

@tacit lava
Play it EXACTLY like a ru, except more reliable accuracy

[tacit lava]

Cool

I was hiting shots straight on while moving on the gaps in the front of a Lowe's turret

[floral thunder]

Feel like the su 101 needs a buff to its dpm

[solid gate]

lights should be removed, can never progress in my game cuz of them

[tepid smelt]

choose light tree

problem solved

[solid gate]

no, i like the td in which i put years of effort and lights ruin everything...

lights are not fun to play, they are just too fast

[rigid thunder]

lights are fun to play though

[tepid smelt]

very FUN

[solid gate]

👎

[tepid smelt]

JUST to annoy CAMPers

[rigid thunder]

I mainly play lights and mediums, and I can say that I enjoy their gameplay far more than heavies and tank destroyers

[tepid smelt]

i dont like slow af tanks

[rigid thunder]

I also like to play heavy tanks with mobility (Is-3, Chieftain/T95), they allow you to reposition easily, which is very important in this game

[tepid smelt]

agreed

[rigid thunder]

It's not like I don't play tank destroyers either, I've got the FV4005 and the 268 myself

[tepid smelt]

t57 heavy is my bare minimum cause auto loader tends to have more mobility

[solid gate]

when people spot me while camping, i want to uninstall the game but i dont do it cuz if i dont camp, the team is gonna lose...common sense

[rigid thunder]

camping is bad lmao

[tepid smelt]

facts

[solid gate]

people tell this to me all the time but my td is weak armored so i cant face to face, duh

[tepid smelt]

use t110e3 or foch

problem solved

[rigid thunder]

So I should sit at the back of the map 24/7 in my 4005

because there is no TD as badly armoured as this tank

[solid gate]

thats not my job, thats the other tanks jobs like meds heavies etc

[tepid smelt]

oof fv4005

[rigid thunder]

yes it IS your job, especially when the situation calls for it mid-late game

[solid gate]

then whats the point of a td

[rigid thunder]

It's better to take your large caliber gun to the enemy's face and use your hitpoints to help your teammates

[tepid smelt]

tds on my team:
go spot u light
doesnt cover me EVER

[rigid thunder]

than camping in god-knows-where while your team gets completely destroyed by the enemy team that had their TDs supporting them in close range

[tepid smelt]

me getting rushed:
TDs:
fking nub light

[solid gate]

support is not cool, they shoot me first then shoot everyone else...like serioulsy

[rocky gazelle]

Oh so NOW it's all on TD

[rigid thunder]

wait for them to shoot then you poke out lol

[tepid smelt]

tds dont even give me moral support

[solid gate]

when i do that, another one comes out of nowhere

[rigid thunder]

that's ur own fault for not realising where the enemies are though

[floral thunder]

Are we having an argument of TDS VS Lights?

[solid gate]

they could be anywhere, you think im a magician or something

[rocky gazelle]

I have JP and T25, I can brawl fine. But early game I tend to camp, if I can. For example, I'd almost always go to A corner on Dead Rails.

But if no one takes any initiatives, I'd go head and spearhead. No problem

[tepid smelt]

bruh jp t25

[rigid thunder]

You should camp at the start of a game in a TD

[tepid smelt]

then move on to help ur team

[rigid thunder]

yoloing with your team so early on is just gonna get you focused and clapped

[rocky gazelle]

@tepid smelt who says I don't?

[tepid smelt]

whut

[rocky gazelle]

I said I'd even spearhead if others aren't doing jack crap for first 10 seconds

[tepid smelt]

that wasnt for u

that was for pigeon guy

he camp FORever

[solid gate]

i dont spearhead when low tier but high tier doesnt bother me

[tepid smelt]

move up to help not sperheading like yoloing

[rocky gazelle]

Don't decide to spearhead or not based on tier

[tepid smelt]

ur team all low hp u need to spearhead

[rocky gazelle]

Decide based on your armor or fear factor.

[rigid thunder]

no TD has enough armour to do a HT's job better

[rocky gazelle]

@rigid thunder Normally, yeah. But then you get a team full of camping HTs.

[tepid smelt]

jgpze100 thingi

[rigid thunder]

sniping amx 50 100

[rocky gazelle]

@rigid thunder in it's defense, it has paper-thin armor

[tepid smelt]

french heavies are more of a med

[rigid thunder]

doesn't give you a warrant to snipe

[carmine pulsar]

You should play the amx 50 100 like a beefed up med

[floral thunder]

50 100 can go with the mediums instead as well

[tepid smelt]

it itsn't beefed up tho

like t69 ish

[carmine pulsar]

Hp wise it is kinda

[floral thunder]

Higher hp and bigger alpha it pretty much is a beefier med

[tepid smelt]

its hull tho is weaker than some meds

[rocky gazelle]

I'd treat it like Panther's fatter cousin

[tepid smelt]

like no scopers can still pen it

[floral thunder]

It has a hull weaker than a light tank so then lets say ita a light

[carmine pulsar]

I play it like a Fcm 50 t but with a autolaoder

[rocky gazelle]

@floral thunder with no speed to back it up?

[floral thunder]

45 speed is pretty good in tier 8

[tepid smelt]

isu152 derp HE kills half of amx 20 100

[carmine pulsar]

The speed is okay

[rocky gazelle]

@floral thunder for heavy/med

[floral thunder]

Fcm 50t is a heavy tank and people don't use it as such

[carmine pulsar]

Well in this game it's a med

[floral thunder]

I know trying to draw the point across

[carmine pulsar]

Is the amx 50b worth it?

[rocky gazelle]

@carmine pulsar killer turret

If I remember correctly

[tepid smelt]

u play like german heavy or ussr heavy no

[carmine pulsar]

Isn't the turret 120mm of armor?

[rigid thunder]

the 50b has a crap turret lol

[solid gate]

i once played japanese meds but got bored cuz of their shitty-ness

[rocky gazelle]

@carmine pulsar but it's round-ish? Actually I don't remember. But I remember a french HT with thick turret cheeks

[rigid thunder]

the hull on the 50b though, it's incredibly troll

[rocky gazelle]

Could be something else

@solid gate Jap Meds are good lad, wtf

[solid gate]

not really, they are too big and weak

[carmine pulsar]

Jap meds requires a lot of skill

[solid gate]

gun is ok

[rocky gazelle]

They are not laser focused like brits or jerries meds. But they are versatile.

[carmine pulsar]

The armor is not that good but sometimes it could bounce some stuff

[solid gate]

but if they are good, why everytime i play a match, im the only japanese tank lmao

[carmine pulsar]

The tech tree is actually a tech stick

[solid gate]

lack of tanks maybe

[rocky gazelle]

@solid gate it's not that they aren't good, it's the lack of variations. Idk

[solid gate]

exactly, they only have meds, no lights, literally nothing else than meds

[rigid thunder]

and guess what, mts are the hardest class in this game to play

[solid gate]

mts ?

[carmine pulsar]

Should wg give the German T25 a autolaoder gun because it was planned to have one in real life

[rocky gazelle]

BUT.... I'm saying all this from my perspective. Haven't yet tried Chi-Ri, but also had faced many good T8-T10 jap meds players.

[rigid thunder]

loved the chi-ri, 480 clip in 2s lol

[rocky gazelle]

@carmine pulsar the Skoda? Ain't gonna help it, it sucks. Lol.

[carmine pulsar]

The skoda isn't that bad

[solid gate]

chi ri looks like a heavy, when i face other meds, they think im a heavy or something

[rigid thunder]

and then you deal 480 damage in 2 seconds

[rocky gazelle]

@carmine pulsar always one to die early, everytime I see someone use it. Reds or greens alike.

[solid gate]

^^

[carmine pulsar]

Because of the armor?

[rocky gazelle]

@carmine pulsar I suppose?

[solid gate]

french and japs, same paper armor lol

[carmine pulsar]

French tanks are much faster than jap tanks

[rocky gazelle]

If WG were to add O-type heavies....

[carmine pulsar]

...

[rocky gazelle]

Idk maybe I'm hoping too much

[solid gate]

i have one on console, its FOCKEN armored, its literally a moving fortress

[carmine pulsar]

Have you guys played the autolaoder rhm?

[rocky gazelle]

@carmine pulsar there's something like that?

[carmine pulsar]

On console there is but it has the 400 alpha gun

[solid gate]

yes, but rhm very slow reload...

[rocky gazelle]

Have no interest on German unarmored TD line

[solid gate]

lol, i dont even know why they made it in the first place

[rocky gazelle]

Though it might be because I had to grind through the toaster

But now that they removed it.. stil uninterested, lol. Maybe sometimes.

[bright folio]

I like the German armorless tds. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

[solid gate]

What do u guys think of the matilda bp

[dusty scroll]

Is the new German heavy going to be crate tank?

[merry panther]

Nerf smasher

[tepid smelt]

Nerf smasher

#screenshots my guy

[boreal mulch]

@here Imagine 50TP proto been a prem that needs gold or money.

[tepid smelt]

unless u discussing matilda bp

[boreal mulch]

@here WG will annoy F2P players through 50TP proto if they make it a prem.

[solid gate]

My prem is badge earned and saved gold to get bp

My friend told me it was a great tank fo silver grinding

It's working great

[boreal mulch]

Bruh! You think it's easy to get the gold? WG maybe wants to roll in money through 50TP proto sales.

[solid gate]

It's slower thn pond water tho

I know gold is hard to get but I got lucky in the crates

[viral lodge]

You can get 18.5k ish in a year via mobile ads so eh.

[tepid smelt]

oh and i will tell you that t49 is a great tank for wasting silver

[solid gate]

Yea and the BP is only 2.4k and the silver u get after it's worth it

[rigid thunder]

Why do you care so much about the 50TP Prototype? It's a premium tank in WoT PC and it's a premium tank here as well. Wargaming's already established a Polish tech tree, and the 50TP Prototype has no place in it

[boreal mulch]

@solid gate Please make WG compromise with 50TP proto.

[solid gate]

I had a crap game did get a shot off still made silver

[boreal mulch]

@rigid thunder I care about it because everyone is dreaming of getting it. Gold and money is the barrier for most new tanks.

[rigid thunder]

Why would everyone dream of getting just this one premium tank? Why THIS one

[boreal mulch]

Because 50TP proto is the only Polish prem for now.

[rigid thunder]

Just because it's Polish? Excuse me what?

[viral lodge]

I mean are you a collector? Cause otherwise ^

[rigid thunder]

Is this some sort of big meme

[boreal mulch]

Hello? We want to enjoy the powerful kurwa-enemy-tanks moment. @rigid thunder @viral lodge

[viral lodge]

kurwa?

[boreal mulch]

Kurwa to gold in getting 50TP proto. @viral lodge @rigid thunder @solid gate

[viral lodge]

idk wth kurwa means

[boreal mulch]

Kurwa is a Polish word. 50TP commands can have this word. @viral lodge

[viral lodge]

🤔 are you a polish person or someone who likes polish tanks?

[boreal mulch]

I like German Tigers the most but 50TP gives you the expirience in Polish war tech. @viral lodge

[viral lodge]

I mean didn’t the polish get steamrolled?

[boreal mulch]

Never mind,we want to feel the war tech of Polaska in 50TP proto.

[rigid thunder]

So you want to feel "the war tech of Polaska" in a completely fake tank

Just wait for the Polish tech tree to be released, seeing the 50TP Proto's release means that it's gotta be soon anyways

[viral lodge]

Aren’t the polish in the EU tech tree?

[boreal mulch]

WG always like to be like this when new tanks like 50TP proto is released. @viral lodge @rigid thunder

[viral lodge]

I mean it being a prem would make sense as part of the EU tree

[hearty atlas]

The excelsior needs a pen buff

[steady quartz]

when will the Sheridan line come?

[solid gate]

<@&481447501690568709> you guys know when atgm tanks come?

[forest ermine]

no

but WG said they'll need a few more updates

[shrewd basalt]

@solid gate on Update 6.7 maybe

[solid gate]

Ok thanks!

[solid gate]

Do you know if it will be gold tanks or exp tanks?

[forest ermine]

WG has said xp tanks, going as a separate line from the T49 on out

[shrewd basalt]

@solid gate nah I think Its gonna Be A tech tree tank

[solid gate]

Ok

@solid gate no need to @ moderators over that

@solid gate why? Maybe i wanted to ask a mod🤔

[solid gate]

dont tag all the mods for that

[zealous vault]

Buff for E4 !!
Plz

[rocky gazelle]

@zealous vault reason?

[zealous vault]

@rocky gazelle
It seems it have been forgotten...
New consumables, armour, reload time.....

[rocky gazelle]

@zealous vault doesn'warrant a buff, though. T28 and T95 are rare, too, doesn't mean they need buff

[zealous vault]

... As a tier X TD compering to other TDs

[rocky gazelle]

@zealous vault I was just drawing an analogy.

[zealous vault]

Fair play to you.
They are tier IX pal - full stop.
I am talking about tier X tds...

[inland osprey]

"Forgetting to buff a tank in a while" is not really a valid reason to buff an already capable tank.

[red grotto]

Did anyone bought a premium tank on a wrong acc?

[sacred ravine]

Sheridan doodoo

Went up against it a couple times, it’s funny when the testers try the missiles and completely miss 😉

[tight oriole]

Breuh world of tanks should make a legendary camo for jag called Breathless and have it be like an iron dragon that has lightning breath or something

[azure tendon]

@sacred ravine the Sheri and T92 ATGM is very difficult to use. I haven’t experienced it, but I’ve talked to people whom have, and read about it in vehicle discussions. I’m not surprised they missed, as it will take quite some time to get used to. As for now, learn as much as possible about it, and be ready for t49 at t10

[calm inlet]

testers shouldn’t have been talking about their experiences while testing to anyone

[livid yacht]

They also shouldn't make videos on youtube but there are plenty of them

[tame jungle]

Tier nine and ten is screwed

[alpine notch]

Just bought myself a Conqueror with completely skipped turret+gun and tracks, any advices for it?

Still in 75% crew though, but sure its fast (as i already had the engine from Cent 7/1 grind)

[solid gate]

@tame jungle can't feel the impact on MM yet, the tank is balanced so i don't think it is gonna do smth major to it.

[scarlet nest]

I met 4 Kpfpz in one battle

The thing is kpfpz don't scerw the game

4 same tanks in one battle ruins the game

[livid vale]

I wonder if Challenger 1 is still in service? if not mabye i future tank in wotb?

if its added it will be prem but still wish it to be a tech tree tank

MIddle easten tech tree (if there is any tanks...ofc)

[scarlet nest]

I think devs are not have planed that
And don't mind it

Maybe but not really know

And are they really gonna make mordern tanks? I wish but it's...kinda big problem

[narrow shadow]

@alpine notch Just play as a support, conserve HP and in the late game go for 1v1 duels where you use your DPM and large HP pool. Basically the usual stuff 🤷

[livid yacht]

Get key positions with the engine boost and use your...
Lets call it troll turret

[teal yarrow]

Is it me or is Mauschen is really so shyt and worst ??
Specially against tier 10 when u can't use even a slightest Ridge coz they pen cupola like cup of tea

Against tier 8 ,it still works,but on same tier and high tier it's just like soft cake specially coz of cupola

[narrow shadow]

I find the cupola to be a difficult target, cuz its quite tall and thin. I think it's a better tank than VK45B at least

[teal yarrow]

VkB is good
Maybe am just meeting tier 10 more that's why more hard

[narrow shadow]

No it's not 😄

[solid gate]

@livid vale challenger 1 is still classified and is no where near blitz Material...

[solid gate]

On ATGMs, yeah, a lot of practice is definitely gonna be needed. Probably a tutorial is gonna be needed for it.

[tame jungle]

It is quite literally point and click, then point again

[livid vale]

vickers mbt

[grim quarry]

new mentions?

[grim quarry]

why is there no clanchat??

[karmic field]

@grim quarry You may be in the wrong server....

[undone frigate]

Anyone else thinks the e4 hatch needs a buff

And rip tier 9-10, I played one battle in my bat chat and had 6 kpfz 70's

[grim quarry]

ohhh ..vehicle stuff...
i dunno about nuttin...
sorry boys...

[rocky gazelle]

@undone frigate hehe. Glad I stayed away from those tiers for a while. Finna grind my Jagdpanther

[undone frigate]

What is your IGN Pajama CJ

[rocky gazelle]

@undone frigate G_Unit. Investigate away, lad

[alpine notch]

@narrow shadow @livid yacht Noted, thanks

[limpid mauve]

The Italian teir 6 is terrible. Deserves a buff

[dreamy blade]

I think Kpf HEAT could become ATGM?

[alpine notch]

2 HEAT probably (one HEAT round projectile and one HEAT for ATGM)

[dreamy blade]

Eh. I'd say make the HEAT an ATGM.

More useful. Besides, Kpf irl had ATGM, did it not?

Or, just go APCR, HEAT (regular), HEAT (ATGM), and HE.

[rocky gazelle]

@dreamy blade 2 gun options?

[dreamy blade]

Negative commander.

Just 1. 4 shells.

[rigid thunder]

No tank in the game ever has above 3 shell types, so why make this tank a special snowflake

[dreamy blade]

Because logic.

[rigid thunder]

Because that's over complicated and ATGMs are never going to come to the KpfPz 70

[dreamy blade]

Even though it had ATGM irl. Why not make it have it's ATGM?

[rigid thunder]

WoTB isn't even the slightest bit realistic, nor is it historically accurate

[dreamy blade]

Ik. So many fake tanks. But still. Give the Kpz the ATGM it deserves.

[rigid thunder]

giving a premium heavy tank the feature to fire ATGMs, making it the only heavy in the game to fire guided projectiles? Also the tank is already decent where it stands right now, maybe a HE alpha buff and that's it.

[solid gate]

It’s garbage what do you mean

[devout wedge]

Lol

[dreamy blade]

I never said make the ATGM a cheap shell.

[solid gate]

There’s practically multiple tanks that does it’s job better in everything at T9

[rigid thunder]

you're not going to out trade it in a heavy tank though, and it's not slow like a typical heavy

[dreamy blade]

But it's not armored either.

[solid gate]

It’s still huge and has laughable gun characteristics

[rigid thunder]

the hull is large, but the tank is low profile. The turret isn't even garbage considering the size and placement of its weakspot

[solid gate]

Gun rolls for flat 500s most of the time and has a 14.6 second reload it has poor gun dep and often misses and mispens

The turret is easy to beat if you have 7-8 degrees of gun dep

Having a strong turret is pointless if you can’t even use it

[devout wedge]

^

[solid gate]

And for the record the kpz 70s turret is gigantic compared to other hull down tanks

[devout wedge]

Fax

Preach bro 😂😂

[rigid thunder]

Tbf I don't have the tank at all, but from the tank characteristics I've seen on blitzstars it seems more suited to be fighting against medium tanks than heavies. Poor base penetration and pretty weak hull armour for a heavy, and an inability to sidescrape will basically make it a free target for most equal tier heavy tanks. Going up against medium tanks is where the penetration is good enough, the hull will pull off bounces here and there, and 560 alpha is a whole lot more potent

[solid gate]

And that’s a dead give away don’t claim anything about a tank if you haven’t driven it it’s still garbage against meds

[dreamy blade]

But an average of a 15 second reload. You'd most likely die alone because let's be honest. Your teams meds will get scared and run to other heavies, leaving you alone.

[viral lodge]

I have beaten multiple M103s since I got it. and the pen is fine, and when hulldown and the enemy isnt above you can bounce a ton.

Personally find it to be a great tier 9 Tank and does great vs almost everything but things with extreme frontal armour without capollas. (badger)

[valid lodge]

Love the tank, wish it got higher rolls more frequently. Even with the crew skill that ups your chances of a high dmg roll, it seems to low roll too often. I get more 450 dmg shots than 500 and 600 dmg shots combine. Buffing minimum dmg roll to 500 would be cool with me.

[viral lodge]

I tend to roll 480-520, 600s are rare pleasant surprises

HE needs a buff, barely worth trying to use it at all.

I mean personally the DPM as is is fine.

[bright folio]

The KpfPz70 is just fun to play for me. A tank doesn't have to be overpowered to be fun to drive around in.

[viral lodge]

^^ I think that sums it up

[quick thicket]

I rolled a flat out 420 in the kpfz, it says it has 560 alpha but it feels like it has 500 alpha.

[viral lodge]

Tbh if the tank had any better damage/reload it would be borderline OP.

[quick thicket]

Everything else about the tank can be dealt with but the alpha is the MAJOR letdown of the tank

@not really cant be any worse than the smasher

[viral lodge]

It can take advantage of so many places that are normally considered just little obstacles and turn them into full hulldown things

[hardy sparrow]

640 HE for a 152? That's pathetic

[viral lodge]

Will say HE is sad.

[quick thicket]

It needs at least the HE of the t49

I splashed 560 alpha he on a grill, so you know how agrivating that is?

[hardy sparrow]

Buff the HE alpha and the kpz would be a really attractive tank

@carta_808#7828 rip. Feelsbadman

[viral lodge]

I mean Kpz AP when you get all mid-high rolls is great

[quick thicket]

560 HE! That’s a sup par round of a SMASHERS AP

[hardy sparrow]

Buff HE to 80

[viral lodge]

4k damage due to a hulldown spot

[quick thicket]

Like Christ

[viral lodge]

HE definitely needs a buff

But AP is 👌

[solid gate]

The AP is garbage

Pens less then the E100 rolls less then E100 reloads slower than e100

[viral lodge]

🤔 (that’s a tier X)

[solid gate]

It’s not like giving it an alpha buff makes it stupid op 🤔

[merry panther]

Nerf the smasher

[viral lodge]

Tbh love it as is, HE just needs a buff so it actually has a purpose cause rn risking a splash makes it not worth it most of the time.

[merry panther]

Are you even in this world? @viral lodge

[quick thicket]

The tank has potential, idk why it’s no underperforming interns of its stats.

[merry panther]

If you can read... IT IS OP!

[solid gate]

The HE is also useless and in all honesty it’s just better to dump all HE and load more HEAT

[hardy sparrow]

Buff HE to 840 and the kpz will be feared. It's pathetic that a wt will do the same dmg to you with his ap like your HE but your HE could splash and do 120 dmg.

[viral lodge]

@merry panther talking about Kpf

[quick thicket]

Fr

[merry panther]

Ah... I see 😂😂 @viral lodge

[viral lodge]

Smasher is eh, it looks fun, but they always get focused and murdered without team support

[quick thicket]

Do you guys think that they only sold the tank for cheap was because they aren’t planning to buff it anymore???

[merry panther]

Kpf is actually just good how it is... The HE could possibly need a buff but a very small one

[viral lodge]

Just 100-200 more average and it would be perfect

[hardy sparrow]

^^^

[merry panther]

😐 🤯

[viral lodge]

Will say it was satisfying to HE a T49 for most of their HP

[solid gate]

A kpz had 900 hp vs my Mk6 on its 57 hp and it lost while it was rushing me

[quick thicket]

Nah I splashed a t49 for only 600 damage

[viral lodge]

Another Tier 10

[solid gate]

It was one shot no @viral lodge

[viral lodge]

Noob Kpf

[solid gate]

Mk6 totally doesn’t have a gigantic lower plate either

[viral lodge]

Idk how you would fail what they did

[merry panther]

You see the Kpf is a heavy tho... It does like 500-600 alpha with AP and the HE you only use for like the rhm/waffle/T49/other lightly armored tanks so now that I thought about it if doesn't need a buff

[solid gate]

Maybe if it’s gun was slightly more accurate he wouldn’t have hit my upper plate and got himself killed

[quick thicket]

It just needs alpha buff

[viral lodge]

I mean if the enemy is that low just HE

[merry panther]

For what shell type? @carta_808#7828

[quick thicket]

The rest I understand if it kept the same

[solid gate]

A lot of kpz drivers don’t even know about the He

[merry panther]

Ikr

[viral lodge]

lol, noobs with $$

[hardy sparrow]

Sad

[quick thicket]

He to 760

[viral lodge]

760 would be worth it then for risking the shot

[quick thicket]

Like the t49, all I’m asking

[viral lodge]

I mean it is a 152 so it should be more

[quick thicket]

Yeah ik, so I’m being subtle about this

[solid gate]

It’s still the most useless 152 out of them all tbh

[quick thicket]

It really should have 640 ap and 900+ He but whatever

[solid gate]

T49 atleast rolls way higher in HE and causes fat more module damage

[viral lodge]

If it’s alpha got a slight buff it would be flat out amazing.

[quick thicket]

I do think also it’s upper glacis should get like 10mm more but that’s just me I guess

[viral lodge]

Getting in a hulldown spot in this feels great since most things fail to pen.

I don’t mind the hull weakness. Similar to Chieftain

[quick thicket]

Yeh ik like I said it doesn’t bother me. The only thing about the tank that bothers me is the alpha

[viral lodge]

My main irk actually is the depression, if it was like 1-2 more I would be fine, but I’m always slightly off

Probably just my positioning though

[quick thicket]

And it pisses me off because I constantly roll under 480 and that is just wow

[hardy sparrow]

Better than is5 with 5 deg

[viral lodge]

I mean IS-5 isn’t a pure hulldown tank

[quick thicket]

Yeh I think, it should get alpha buff and 1 more degree of gun dep

And then it should be a viable tank like it’s peers.

[viral lodge]

I mean it is Viable, but it wouldn’t require as much terrain/positioning knowledge to pull off a good game. (Also higher alpha would get rid of the low roll bad luck)

I hate getting 10 damage less than a kill

[quick thicket]

It’s viable, but when you compare it to the other heavies it just lacks

[viral lodge]

Well I’m going to go, cya 👋

[quick thicket]

Later @viral lodge

[hardy sparrow]

Cya

[small garden]

can i get some help on something

[calm inlet]

yeah, ask away

[small garden]

uhh im trying to remodel the t34 to the m1a2 abrams and i almost got it! Its just the model is so broken and distorted idk why?

is it incompatible or something?

[calm inlet]

uh, WG doesn’t support modding, they just tolerate it. i recommend finding a modding server and asking there

[rocky gazelle]

Oh oh oh!! Talk about modding... It's a shame they no longer support sound mods. I used to love using realistic gun sound mods.

[small garden]

hm

ig i cant skin my tank to look like the abrams

[frozen mural]

Is t treu u get 2700 gold if u buy that t5 sherman collector and sell it? That would be a good deal is it

[rigid thunder]

No you get 2350

[solid gate]

https://youtu.be/HZNnKaHGG7Y

[frozen mural]

Ok tnks

[void imp]

Patriot is worth ?

[rigid thunder]

12500 gold? Nah

[void imp]

I heard conor have good credit profit its true ?

[rigid thunder]

yes

[void imp]

Ok ty

And what next 10 tier exp i prefer meds actually i have bc and 140 now im goin to progetto

[noble geyser]

How does WG not think about buffing the KpfPz 70 already? It's HE is worthless, it's pen is low, it's DPM would be acceptable if pen was good, he damage was good and it had maybe 8° of gun depression. This is just sad.

[solid gate]

I'm struggling so hard to get a tier5 tank T-T

[void imp]

Kpf have good mobility he can fight with meds and with hts

Maybe u dont have enough perks

[bright folio]

Here’s the thing. If the kpfpz70 had 640/545/960 alpha, it would probably be overpowered. It could use some buffs, but it’s fun to play in, and a change of pace from other German heavies. It’s a good example of what a premium tank should be.

[solid gate]

Excuse me what it’s a terrible example of what a premium tank should be

E100 rolls higher and has more alpha yet you don’t see anyone calling it op waffen or 704 are a bigger problem than the kpz at that tier

[kindred wren]

E100 appears to be one tier higher

And the fact that those good pen and accurate 150mm+ guns at tier nine all tend to be op proves his point that the alpha is not the way to buff it

[solid gate]

I rarely see people complain about those TDs but saying the kpz with an alpha buff is op is kinda dumb

Apparently everyone forgets that the gun is stupid inaccurate and fires APCR as a disadvantage and has a 14.6 max reload time and having 6 gun dep

[kindred wren]

It has the same dispersion as the WT and better than the Obj, as well as aim time in between the WT and Obj with the WT being the best, going by in-game stats

This is from BlitzStar

[noble geyser]

The problem isn't its accuracy. It's its pen, DPM and gun depression

Because it doesn't have the greatest armour, it has a nice turret though

[kindred wren]

Pen is 240, which is alright

[noble geyser]

Nope

[kindred wren]

WT has 15mm more

[solid gate]

That can’t even pen the e75 at close range

[noble geyser]

Way lower than other T9 heavies

Wt has 1k DPM more

[kindred wren]

6mm less than standard german heavies

[solid gate]

Small numbers make a big difference

[noble geyser]

Which is very bad

It has way worse armour than them as well

[kindred wren]

The rest has like 16-19mm more

[noble geyser]

Which is a big difference

[rigid thunder]

it fires APCR as standard, which is less effective against sloped armour

[noble geyser]

It got all the negatives

[kindred wren]

I won't show you that it is minor when talking in relative terms, instead i will quickly check what the normal effective armour values are

[noble geyser]

Also, E75 got 2 degrees more gun depression, more dpm, higher pen, better armour...

[solid gate]

Wait a minute e75 actually has spaced armor unlike... oh wait kpz 70

[noble geyser]

Even though irl the Kpfpz70 had spaced armour on the turret and upper plate

[solid gate]

All the more reasons why you shouldn’t buy the kpz

[kindred wren]

From what I know the KpfPz 70 had space armour all around, though i never checked that

[solid gate]

It was spaced in the front of the hull and turret

[noble geyser]

Yeah

[kindred wren]

But where has the E 75 spaced armour?

[noble geyser]

It really doesn't

Only those two mini hitboxes on its turret. Doent change the fact that the Kpfpz70 is still severly underpowered

[kindred wren]

I just checked; the KpfPz 70 has pen that lies in between mediums and heavies

[noble geyser]

Centurion 7/1 has 255mm pen

[kindred wren]

Looking at the normal standard armour of other tier nine tanks, it is not necessarily bad, as long as you manage to hit the weakspots and are able to adjust your position to improve angles

Centurion 7/1 and Leopard PT A which both use the L7 gun are exceptions. Also the Type 61 with 245mm of pen and the Standard B with 240

It would be good medium pen, to put it more correctly

You basically have to aim well

The turret roof is... well... a bit of a lottery

There's a lot of tricking with the caliber rules

The turret front is alright though. Against prammo you will struggle and definitely should use all the gundepression

Also there is a big weakspot on the left side from the driver

[viral lodge]

Most people struggle to hit that, and you can just wiggle the turret and drive a little.

[kindred wren]

I actually didn't know about it, and i already faced a few of them

[viral lodge]

Personally don’t mind the Kpf’s armour as is. (Easily workable on most maps) and for me just buffing the HE and gun depression a tad would make this perfect to me.

[kindred wren]

It is fairly mobile

I can't say that this tank looks imbalanced

[viral lodge]

I mean I’m not regretting my $20 purchase, it really just needs a slight buff touch to make it worth $.

It is a unique tank which makes it worth buying though

[kindred wren]

Why would it need a buff if it's already reasonably balanced?

It's basically armour and mobility- wise a transition between mediums and heavies

[viral lodge]

The main problem is when it needs DPM.

Aka getting rushed by a Standard B.

[kindred wren]

The gun is kind of special, but still not bad by gun stats for a 150mm+ tier nine gun except for the dpm and alpha

[viral lodge]

It’s HE just needs a buff for the HE to be worth using, otherwise no complaints really from me

[kindred wren]

But the combination of pen, accuracy, dpm and alpha that tds of tier nine with their 150mm+ cannons show proved to be quite strong, not to say imbalanced

One second, the HE really seemed underwhelming

[viral lodge]

The main problem is a successful HE pen tends to do 600 ish which is just a high roll AP. And HE risks splashing

So the slight damage is rarely worth it.

[rigid thunder]

but module damage

[kindred wren]

Take a look at the HE setup of the Conway

[noble geyser]

You know, why would you use HE if you can almost deal the same damage with apcr?

[kindred wren]

I am still against the idea of buffing the KpfPz, though. It appears to be very balanced

[rigid thunder]

module damage?

[kindred wren]

HE is unreliable, and everyone who uses it knows that

[noble geyser]

So you feel it is balanced even though the evidence it's not is condemning?

[kindred wren]

Or should know that. If you think that it's not worth it, don't use it

[noble geyser]

But even if you pen he every time you'll do almost no more damage than with apcr

[kindred wren]

@noble geyser Show me the evidence. I spent way too much time looking at stats and armour models to let you tell me that I am wrong in such a fashion

You will do 80 damage more on average

[viral lodge]

I think the Kpf is fine in game, just it’s HE is useless (no purpose) so giving it a purpose is the only thing I’d want.

And I have some hell of bad luck with HE splashing on thin armour

[kindred wren]

Well, I'd take a look at the Conway's HE set-up for that. Having something like 750 damage for less pen (e.g. 70)

[rigid thunder]

770

[viral lodge]

I wouldn’t mind less pen if the damage was actually good

I normally only HE Lights and Nashorn Line anyway

[kindred wren]

If you take a look at armour models it becomes apparent that there are a lot of tanks with 80 mm of side armour for the 90mm HE and others with 60mm (more likely on the back) for the 70mm HE

And yes, it's 770 for the Conway

[rigid thunder]

670 for premium rounds

[kindred wren]

With 200mm of pen

[viral lodge]

I legit just want HE to do more average damage than an AP high roll.

[bright folio]

The kpfpz is a good example of what a premium should be because it’s not op, rather it’s different. It should be a meh tank. I know that everyone will hate me for this, and it’s far too late to change it now, but premiums shouldn’t be the best tanks rolling around.

[kindred wren]

I completely agree with that

[viral lodge]

I do agree, it is just annoying have a semi useless shell type.

[noble geyser]

Dude, @kindred wren, if you look at the stats it's obvious HE isn't worth it

[kindred wren]

I know about the HE, but I still stand by my statement that the Kpfpz 70 is balanced

[noble geyser]

Because it's weaker than its heavy counterparts in every aspect?

[bright folio]

Not every aspect.

[noble geyser]

Alpha doesn't offset everything, neither do 42kmh

[kindred wren]

The HE could be altered to more damage and lower pen, but to be honest that is not strictly necessary and might not go with the balancing concept of the tank that has very little damage differences between its shell types and basically functions as a heavy frontline support

[noble geyser]

90 pen already isn't OP, why lower it?

[kindred wren]

Heavy both in terms of damage and playstyle

90mm is td standard , not heavy tank standard

[noble geyser]

But 152mm isn't heavy standard either. 2k DPM isn't heavy standard. 240mm of pen isn't heavy standard.

[bright folio]

Who ever said that the kpfpz was standard?

[kindred wren]

Yes, but heavies are not supposed to demolish lights and mediums with HE

[solid gate]

The tank has no play style at all

[kindred wren]

That tank is most likely not balanced around packing a huge punch, as that is td business

[solid gate]

It’s extremely awkward to drive

And at that point E75 is just a better choice to use than the kpz 70

[kindred wren]

It is very much limited in the range of damage it deals

The E 75 is not meant to do the same things as the KpfPz 70

Like I said before, it mostly plays as a heavy frontline support. that it has none of the standard playstyles is no big secret

[bright folio]

I like how this debate has been going on for almost 3 days.

[viral lodge]

I mean having 500 alpha is a good scare weapon, had a match where I bottled up the entire enemy team behind one dune while my 6 teammates flanked.

[kindred wren]

The issue is that if people start giving tanks with unique play-styles buffs to make them fit more in the standard playstyles you can completely write off unique playstyles straight away

[bright folio]

^

[kindred wren]

That's why i always keep arguing against people who want to buff every tank that in any way appears inferior

[viral lodge]

I just want a High Explosive Shell to do more damage than a high roll AP shell.

otherwise I love the tank as is ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[noble geyser]

Exactly

And maybe a degree more gun dep

[viral lodge]

I don’t mind the depression since that is a con and tanks need cons

[bright folio]

There’s an argument to be made that 122mm and 75mm guns have a similar problem, but this is more exaggerated than those.

Or maybe that’s just my bad HE rolling.

[viral lodge]

I mean with just AP and Prammo sometimes you can easily rack up 2-3k damage, but having HE not be worth using when a Grill is sitting in front of you is depressing

[noble geyser]

Just give it 760 he damage

[kindred wren]

Look at the HE of the Leopard 1 and Progetto 65. If you want to do yourself a favour, never use it unless you are 100% sure to pen

[bright folio]

Or the HE on any given British mid-tier.

[tame jungle]

No I think that’s actually their job

[kindred wren]

No, that's the job of tds

Heavies demolish them with their armour, not damage

[noble geyser]

What?

[kindred wren]

I don't think that you want me to repeat that

[noble geyser]

E100 is dying inside

[tame jungle]

TDS kill heavies, heavies kill mediums, mediums kill lights, lights kill tds

[kindred wren]

E100 and VK 72.01 (K) (and maybe also the T110E4) are happy exceptions that are not as well armoured as other standard heavies

[viral lodge]

Lights kill anything with slow traverse

[kindred wren]

This doesn't really work, because there aren't even enough lights around at tier nine and ten

[bright folio]

The E 100 has a whole steel mill in that hull.

[kindred wren]

Also, lights are more or less just more mobile but less accurate mediums

[viral lodge]

I view mediums as the jack of all trades. They can normally flank, scout, snipe and/or push.

[kindred wren]

You can basically say that lights are about mobility, mediums about snapping and accuracy, heavies about armour and tds about damage dealing

[bright folio]

It’s more like this: Tds kill heavies, heavies kill meds/lights, meds/lights kill tds.

[viral lodge]

I mean 2 TD lines beg to differ about the armour

[kindred wren]

But such generalisations are to be taken with a lot of salt

[viral lodge]

^

[bright folio]

^^

[viral lodge]

Each type is more operating at a certain distance in certain ways, TDs as a whole can kill almost anything at a distance while lights and meds are best mid to close while heavies tend to mid to far.

Generally speaking

[bright folio]

Would a good buff to the IS-2 be to give its 122mm gun the aim time of the T-34-2?

7.9 sec -> 3.1 sec iirc.

[narrow shadow]

No

[viral lodge]

I personally don’t have an opinion on those lines since I haven’t played them.

[kindred wren]

That would be sick

[bright folio]

It would make the 122 the go-to weapon, that’s for sure.

[kindred wren]

Yeah. The thing is that WG has three times more or less the same tank with the IS, the IS-2 and the IS-2 (1945)

[bright folio]

That’s fair.

[kindred wren]

About that aim-time thing, do you know the WZ-135G FT Blaze?

[frigid compass]

IS-2 1945 is basically just a thicc ufp boi

[vagrant estuary]

I think they can increase the conqueror's armor because it's more of a medium than heavy

At least in the tower

because it is only 180 mm effective

[tame jungle]

I hope the T49 can get a new researchable gun that fires rockets

That would be fun, getting to play with rockets but not spend a million creds on prammo

[solid gate]

After many discussion over the 183 on discord and forums, one thing is clear. This tank is not balanced

Now, this is not a rant post but rather suggestion/discussion post on how we can improve this tank to be in more inline with other tanks especially T62a/IS4/Object 263 etc.

My proposal is simply the following:

Accuracy: The 183 is a massive gun and it tends to miss a lot if you have not aimed in. The idea is to give it the accuracy, shell velocity and dispersion of the leopard 1 so that it can snapshot on the move against enemy tanks that are quite far away.

Clip: Since we have quite a few autoloaders, why not convert the 183 to an autoloader as well? I know WG refused for the Foch 155 but they just don't like france nation anyways. So the idea is to give it a 3 round clip like the standard autoloaders with 7.5 sec shell reload like the is3 defender and 30 second magazine reload. 2790 damage in 45 seconds with AP or 3600 with HESH on average so nothing too overpowered.

3. Mobility: It's slow and that needs fixing. 183 deserves to have the forward speed/acceleration of the object 263/268 so it can get into places quicker with the traverse equal to object 140

4. Gun depression: It's currently low so how about something like -13 which is what the cromwell B has?

5. Camo: It has average camo but could use the camo which the object 268 has that is currently the best for tier X.

[karmic field]

@vagrant estuary A) The conqueror is supposed to play like a medium B) The tank is broken, if played as a medium C) Yes I would like a buff because it's kinda crazy strong when used right, so just make it stronger for me 🙂 Then I can get my 215b faster

Not the 183, that tanks terrible and it doesn't need to be better. The heavy 215b

[solid gate]

Wtf I already have my 215b and I just want it to be better it’s ass

[kindred wren]

The FV215b is a fine tank as it is. The gun is a dream and the turret armour is very strong

[karmic field]

heavy 215b. Not the TD one, which he's crying about

[simple thorn]

the 215b is balanced, why make it rule the tier tens?

[kindred wren]

The TD is broken because of the alpha

[simple thorn]

t h e T D h a s l o n g r e l o a d

[kindred wren]

There's nothing that can save it. It's just one of these things that can make a tank strong by itself, regardless of what's around it. the 183 can still be used and deal massive damage although pretty much everything about it is awful now

And unless they make something ridiculously bad about the tank, ridiculously good things like that won't enable you to balance properly, because they make the tanks monsters in certain situations which you can always in a way make happen

[simple thorn]

its big and heavy so obviously its slow. it can get troll bounces. it has the biggest gun with h e s h a s w e l l. its camo rating is not that bad.

i always get shot by a 183 in a bush in my batchat and most likely get set on fire and burn to death

[kindred wren]

Size is not really qualified for making statements about speed

[simple thorn]

well

[bright folio]

No, but larger tanks tend to be heavier, which makes them slower.

[simple thorn]

ye. the bigger the heavier

[kindred wren]

But they also fit larger and more powerful engines

Point made and proven; AMX 50

[bright folio]

I’m not saying that all large tanks are slow(fcm 50 t comes to mind), but size does have slight correlation with speed.

[kindred wren]

Correlation, yes, but it's not a causation in the strict sense

[simple thorn]

amx 50 B lacks armour on sides and back, only 30mm making it smaller. turret is like 50mm sides and 30mm back.

[kindred wren]

The vehicle is huge regardless of its armour

[stable pasture]

My impressions after few days of using the German Leopard:
The potential damage this tank can do is enormous when you add the best agility in rank to it, the tank is almost unbeatable.
If used right, it can be real 'Game-Changer'.

[simple thorn]

leopard 1 or the other one

[stable pasture]

Tier 5

I'm still a new player, that's why I'm writing my opinion here. Any advice is welcome.

[simple thorn]

oof. tier ten is supposed to be “crappy” even tho its not played correctly. sure you have no armour, but that gun is still good. so is mobility.

[stable pasture]

for this one, the armor is pretty good for light tank

[simple thorn]

not a lot of HE.

[stable pasture]

Most people doesn't know how to use HE in lower tiers. I don't know either.

[kindred wren]

Even in higher tiers HE is hardly worth it, unless you happen to be British or have a derp gun

[simple thorn]

aim for non highlighted spots with HE (not in leo, crap HE pen)

[stable pasture]

I need pretty high penetration on gun if I want to use HE, mostly I get splash demege

[simple thorn]

i deal around 1.2k dmg in an HE clip in batchat. thats a 300dmg difference from APCR clip

[kindred wren]

Derp guns are generally unreliable guns, but i use it as a synonym for high caliber guns

210 damage more than an APCR clip

[simple thorn]

i like autoloaders bc of the full clip damage being high most of the time

[stable pasture]

Should I go to E50M line?

[simple thorn]

the APCR is not 990 per clip tho ._.

[kindred wren]

And it's only 53mm of pen, so you won#t get to use it very often

[simple thorn]

if u like speed and angled armour and nice guns get batchat. E50m is the child of an E100 and a leo 1.

[kindred wren]

APCR is 930 per clip and HE is 1 140 per clip

[stable pasture]

At first I really liked medium tanks with good armor like first Pz.'s but now I am really enjoying Leopard

[simple thorn]

i use calibrated shells on batchat bc of no gun rammer but its fine, i can HE most tanks than i expected i would

[kindred wren]

From the back

[simple thorn]

the PZ III is my fav tier 3, but i dont want to seal club

[stable pasture]

I have 30 HE and I am mostly trying it on lower tier light tanks

[simple thorn]

w a i t i just had an idea. i grind 400k creds in PZ III with prem acct and boosters, recover y5 t-34, get more credits

[stable pasture]

At first I wanted Pz. IV G but one guy here said me to choose Leopard, oh boi that was goood decision

[kindred wren]

Leopard is one of the strongest tanks of the tier though

[simple thorn]

batchat line is fun. the tier 10 gets a lot of troll bounces. i bounced around 2.5k with my upper plate once.

[kindred wren]

I wouldn't say that it represents light-gameplay well

[stable pasture]

What nation?

[simple thorn]

france

[kindred wren]

The leopard (VK 16), that is

[stable pasture]

Let me check real quick

[simple thorn]

also the autoloaders are fun

the upper plate can get angled a lot

[stable pasture]

What's difference between autoloaders and 'normal' loaders?

[stable pasture]

That France tier ten light tank seems interesting, it has high penetration

[kindred wren]

They get a magazine which makes the tank reload a shell extremely fast after firing, but once the magazine is empty it takes a long time to exchange it

[simple thorn]

autoloaders have a clip of a certain amount of shells. so. you load lets say 3 shells right? you shoot all 3 to reload more shells

[kindred wren]

(Also, the pen of the B.-C. is kind of low for tier ten)

[simple thorn]

i run calibrated shells so its 252mm of pen on APCR and like 325 on HEAT

[kindred wren]

Your VK 16.02 Leopard is an autoloader/ magazine loader

[simple thorn]

lets say its a machine gun/autoloader

[stable pasture]

I don't see any difference between Leo and other tanks I played

[kindred wren]

You load the magazine, shoot the shells very quickly (slower for most other autoloaders, like 2.5 to 3.5 seconds) and then reload the magazine

[stable pasture]

I played with tier 5 European and KW1

[kindred wren]

machine gun/ autoloader aka auto-cannon

[simple thorn]

batcaht has 3 sec interclip reload and 13.5 clip (with equipment and other stuff)

[stable pasture]

Oh you mean is can shoot more bullets at once?

[simple thorn]

abt 2.8k dpm. not bad for an autoloader.

[stable pasture]

Like A20 used to do but now don't?

[simple thorn]

yes. but tanks like batchat have to wait before shooting again. ye

[kindred wren]

It's more complicated with autoreloaders

[stable pasture]

Do they usually give more demege like Leo or

[kindred wren]

Though I'm not particularly happy with the implementation in Blitz

[simple thorn]

autoreloaders is a gun that can reload up to three shells (for now) individually

im going to quit blitz til i get meh itunes for christmas so my stats dont suffer

[kindred wren]

Don't mistake autoloaders for autocannons; autocannons are autoloaders, but not all autoloaders are autocannons

[simple thorn]

speech 100000

[kindred wren]

That's quite obvious

[stable pasture]

Do tanks that have autoloaders otherwise have more potential damage or is it just a Leo thing?

[kindred wren]

The difference is that autocannons basically spam shells while autoloaders might also take longer to reload between shells

Autoloaders do generally have a higher damage potential (for the entire magazine) than most other tanks with a single shot

[stable pasture]

Does tier 1 German tank have autoloader or no?

[kindred wren]

Though it should be noted that some tanks can shoot twice while an autoloader unloads the magazine

It does, it's easily recognisable by the symbol next to the gun

[simple thorn]

autoloaders are fun ._.

[stable pasture]

Oh I see

[kindred wren]

The three shells

[stable pasture]

Thanks for that info, I didn't know that

[simple thorn]

the SP I C autoloader is good tho

just a 2 shot but its pretty good

[kindred wren]

Autoreloaders have a shell with a loading sign around it

Single-shot guns don't have a symbol

[simple thorn]

we should get double barrelled tanks soon, but theyll have to be nerfed a lot

i cant play pc bc i only play mobile

[kindred wren]

Poor Spic is the target of many jokes

[simple thorn]

and console needs xbox live gold (even tho it wont even get double barrels ;-;)

[kindred wren]

We already have a double-barrelled tank

[stable pasture]

You are talking about this, right?

[simple thorn]

ik the helsing. but i mean like the PC ones

[kindred wren]

It's called Helsing H0

Yes, exactly that

[simple thorn]

you can shoot individually or shoot all at once

[stable pasture]

Cool

[simple thorn]

sp i c is paper but it doesnt mean you cant enjoy it

[stable pasture]

But doesn't that cost a lot?

[kindred wren]

What? The spic?

[stable pasture]

Autoloaders

[simple thorn]

ye. it can be fun at times ._.

[kindred wren]

No, they cost the same as any other tank of the tier

If you talk about credits

[stable pasture]

I mean, you shoot a lot of more bullets, doesn't it cost more per game?

[kindred wren]

The xp costs are also around about the same for all branches

No, because the shells do as much damage as shells of the same caliber for single-shot guns

[simple thorn]

depends on caliber size and shell types

[kindred wren]

Actually, what i said is not true for all tanks

But it is mostly true. You won't have any more credit issues with autoloaders because of the shell cost

[stable pasture]

Let me explain.
KV1 - Premium shell cost 1600
Leopard - Premium shell cost 1200

KV1 - deals 300 demege with one shell (1600 x 1 = 1600)
Leopard - deals 300 demege with twelve shells (1200 x 12 = 14400)

[simple thorn]

kv 300 HE 200 AP

like 170 APCR

soooo should i get leo 1 or amx 50 b

both have good mobility and good guns

[stable pasture]

I have no idea about the higher tier tanks, you have to ask someone else.

[simple thorn]

ik ._.

if only batchat had 350 alpha on APCR 300 on HEAT and 400 on HE. i would keep it and enrich it

[kindred wren]

They are both very different, but the Leopard 1 is both more mobile and more accurate

[simple thorn]

i mEan the 50b has no side and back armour but it has great mobility for a heavy and a troll turret

and i need 200k exp (amx 50 120 got sold as well dkvkdkbkck)

[kindred wren]

The turret is only trollish against medium standard ammo

[simple thorn]

50 b is played mostly like a medium so i mean

[kindred wren]

You shouldn't rely on it at all. Anyone who can aim somewhat well will penetrate

[simple thorn]

angling the turret works

[kindred wren]

No

I mean, really, it doesn't

[wise moth]

@kindred wren The 50 B turret will troll most shells other than TDs

[simple thorn]

as in like this

[kindred wren]

What about this massive lower part?

[simple thorn]

i mean use cover and move around as well

[kindred wren]

You can't tell me that this turret is trollish, and I hardly ever see anyone putting their gun up after shooting

It's just not worth the effort. they shoot you back while you're shooting anyways

And you won't bounce anything unless they hit your mantlet

[simple thorn]

s h a k e y o u r t u r r e t

[wise moth]

@kindred wren The gun can also be depressed causing the mantlet to cover the entire center of the tank

[simple thorn]

good for hulldown

[bright folio]

Then shoot the massive turret cheeks.

[simple thorn]

and experience RNG

[kindred wren]

@wise moth You know that the indicator says that there is zero chance of bounce?

[simple thorn]

thats 0% penetration

you dont use that app do you¿

[kindred wren]

I do

[stable pasture]

Where can I see this statistic? Often times strange things happen to me. Absolutely always when I am in a 1 on 1 fight I am facing the opponent from the front and almost never get ricochet, but when I chill around the map in order to spot opponents, I often get ricochets and bounces.

[simple thorn]

that means its a 0% chance of penetration

[kindred wren]

Look at the sign. 0mm and zero chance of bounce

[wise moth]

@kindred wren It means 0% chance of pen due to ricochet

[simple thorn]

its r e d

[wise moth]

We're not saying that 50 B is invincible, but the turret will actually get more bounces than you'd expect

[simple thorn]

is a good tank, nice gun as well

[kindred wren]

How do you know how many bounces I expect?

[wise moth]

God, why are you so pedantic?

[kindred wren]

My name's Lux, not God

[simple thorn]

omfg

[kindred wren]

My point still stands; the turret is not trollish, it's the gun mantlet that bounces the shots

[simple thorn]

it is trollish. i shoot a non highlighted part with batchat HEAT and bounce it

[wise moth]

The mantlet is literally part of the turret 🤦‍♂️

[simple thorn]

the mantlet is the turret

[wise moth]

Saying that a turret isn't trollish because the gun mantlet is the part that blocks shots is like saying the M26 turret is weak because "it's the gun mantlet that bounces the shots"

[simple thorn]

oscillating turrets are giant mantlets

[kindred wren]

The mantlet is the turret...

The mantlet of the AMX 50 B isn't large enough to call it trollish

[bright folio]

It’s part of the gun. The mantlet moves with the gun.

[simple thorn]

basically an oscillating turret is a giant mantlet

[bright folio]

It’s mounted on the turret.

[kindred wren]

Careless shots in the center of the turret may bounce, but anyone who takes aim won't have a problem

[simple thorn]

me: aims
RNG: im about to end this mans whole career

[kindred wren]

The turret is quite massive, and poses no problem

[simple thorn]

so rng doesnt bully u?

[kindred wren]

No, RNG and I are best friends

[simple thorn]

so ur a hacker

[kindred wren]

Totally

[simple thorn]

rng. always. bullies. people. no way to escape it

[bright folio]

Rng and my opponents are friends.

[kindred wren]

And I wouldn't call the entire upper part of the oscillating turret the gun mantlet

[simple thorn]

someone kill me

[kindred wren]

That's like calling all of the Strv 103 a gun mantlet

The gun mantlet is basically an extra layer of armour located around the gun to prevent shots from destroying the gun breech and the elevation mechanism

[simple thorn]

sjfjdkkckvkf. you dont get jokes?

i wanna woooosh u but then you wont get it as well

[kindred wren]

no, it's not like I'm in the meme channel here

And if you saying that the turret of the AMX 50 B is trollish was a joke, well then I clearly didn't get it

[simple thorn]

the mantlet turret was a joke

the trollish part is not a joke. angling=armour.

[kindred wren]

The angling only adds armour for the upper part

[simple thorn]

can i just die now please

[kindred wren]

And you first have to angle anyways. i doubt that you'll drive around with the gun up all the time

[simple thorn]

angle. the. whole. t u r r e t

[kindred wren]

Turning it won't help you, elevating or depressing it won't help you, there is basically no way to hid your massive weak lower to central cheeks

[bright folio]

This isn’t an E 100 that we’re talking about.

[simple thorn]

if you turn the turret and wiggle it, you can bounce some shots

[viral lodge]

VK 100 P vs Tiger II line?

[bright folio]

Tiger 2.

[kindred wren]

I mean, I know that this thing bounces from time to time. but so does a leopard 1 (although more rarely), and nobody accuses that thing of being trollish.

In my opinion, a tank only qualifies for being trollish if you can make people bounce like 50% of the time because of RNG and wiggling

[simple thorn]

tiger is mobility

the batchat bounces more than a leo 1 because of its angles lol

[viral lodge]

Mod1 in other words

[kindred wren]

The B.-C. bounces because it has a 60mm plate on the front that can reliably be turned into an auto-bounce angle with slopes

[simple thorn]

thats literally what i said

[kindred wren]

Tiger II line is more relaxed to drive

[simple thorn]

i o w n the batchat. i l o v e the batchat. batchat is my l i f e

[kindred wren]

So are spaces

[bright folio]

There is nothing more infuriating than bouncing your shells off of a batchat.

[wise moth]

@kindred wren I don't think you know what trollish means

[simple thorn]

its funny to see the enemies raging when their 152mm bounces a batchat or when they shoot HE at the front thinking its an ez pen but it just bounces

[stable pasture]

Is this a good time to ask something or you are busy?

[karmic field]

it means not reliable, but randomly will bounce from time to time. Lol.

[kindred wren]

@wise moth I'm glad you're here to enlighten me

[simple thorn]

he doesnt know what trollish means? s e r i o u s l y ¿

@stable pasture go ahead lol

[kindred wren]

Or so Positive believes anyways

[karmic field]

@kindred wren Trollish means armor that should never bounce but randomly gets bounces it should not get

Like the T-22

[stable pasture]

Where can I see this statistic? Often times strange things happen to me. Absolutely always when I am in a 1 on 1 fight I am facing the opponent from the front and almost never get ricochet, but when I chill around the map in order to spot opponents, I often get ricochets and bounces.

[simple thorn]

its an app armour called inspector for blitz

[wise moth]

@stable pasture You can also view armor models on blitzhangar.com

[kindred wren]

You can see statistics in game, at BlitzStars, BlitzHangar or ArmorInspector (the three later available in the web and the last also as an app), although tank models are only available in BlitzHangar and ArmorInspector

[simple thorn]

i use armour inspector bc im on mobile (does blitzhanger even have an app)

[kindred wren]

Be sure to select blitz when using the Armor Inspector

About your definition of trollish, if an armour shouldn't bounce by calculation, it won't