Tbh idk about that I'd say theres a good argument for hesh under the same parameters ofc
#vehicles-discussion
tulip sail
solid gate
Heat is slightly better than AP imo
glass relic
It's better if not fighting against a spaced armor.. for sure.
solid gate
Yeah that’s the only disadvantages of heat it can get track absorbed easily but it’s good to know that it’s basically a guaranteed pen on weak spots
Heat doesn’t bounce either
glass relic
We didn't even scratch them
tulip sail
Yeah but fence
lime thistle
Guys idk why I just love the T49... I can play it really well
glass relic
Also i kinda like the way the sound of HEAT hits a tank and the looks when it fully pen or just.. got eaten off by the effective thickness.
scarlet nest
Big gun
solid gate
That too HEAT will go through and it’s annoying to get hit by
lime thistle
@scarlet nest don’t you mean XM81 Gun Launcher (Conventional)
scarlet nest
I just love big gun with fast speed
scarlet nest
Humm other light tank line?
lime thistle
Yes the Russians don’t have a Tier X light
scarlet nest
lol
lime thistle
Yes that tank, Russian engineers are the best
scarlet nest
I thought this was more ridiculous design
lime thistle
It is...
frigid compass
thing is that tank was only meant to fire atgms and not anything else unlike M551
bright folio
Advantages:
AP: best normalization, decent pen, good damage, cheap
APCR: Good shell velocity, slight normalization
HEAT: Best pen, does not bounce
HE: best damage, can splash targets, cheap
HESH: best damage, decent pen, can splash targets
Disadvantages:
AP: pen is only decent
APCR: Low damage
HEAT: Absorbed by anything, low damage, no normalization, expensive
HE: Lowest pen, explodes on contact with anything
HESH: Absorbed by anything, low pen when compared to most other types, very expensive
frigid compass
there's some cheap "HESH" in the game like the blackdog and ru251 hesh
inb4 someone screams hep even though they're the same thing
hep and hesh are the same thing other than the name
lime thistle
@bright folio yes HE on the T49 is, ehm, “cheap”
bright folio
Or The HE rounds on high-tier british tanks.
This is generally the case, but not always. Also, the t49's prammo could probably pass as hesh.
scarlet nest
But the tip color is red lol
bright folio
Could pass as, not is.
frigid compass
@scarlet nest its just the premium HE logo
lime thistle
@frigid compass they were designed to fire HE and HEAT and the MGM-51 Shillelagh Missile
Still find it funny that Ford Aerodynamics made the Missile...
bright folio
Whatever, my analogies and comparisons make sense in my weird brain. I'll leave before I spread more of my idiocy.
lime thistle
@bright folio nah @frigid compass is just critical of everything
scarlet nest
Ayyy guys we got stats in blitz hanger
lime thistle
OwO nice
frigid compass
we already had the stats for like a week now
lime thistle
You can go into Armor tester and it’s there in Blitz
scarlet nest
Alpha is pretty same as T49 tho
bright folio
That's probably for the better.
frigid compass
its funny how it doesnt get the full 640 alpha and such yet kv-2 gets the full alpha for every shell
rigid thunder
the KV-2 IS horrendously slow
frigid compass
it doesnt even have a 152mm like HE alpha
@rigid thunder its slow but not as slow as Black Prince
rigid thunder
giving a tank with a top speed of 64 and hp/t ratio of 40 960 alpha doesn't sound too smart to me
scarlet nest
pink it's covered with spaced armor humm...
bright folio
Probably similarly to why the kpfpz 70 has 560/480/640.
frigid compass
@rigid thunder thats kinda just the foch but faster and no armor
rigid thunder
The KV-2 has a higher top speed than the black prince, sure, but the effective hp/t ratio is lower by 4
lime thistle
Shot me
rigid thunder
except the foch has no turret and can't do a drive-by
frigid compass
Sheridan is only HE proof
lime thistle
No...
frigid compass
HEAT, AP and APCR will go through the armor like butter
lime thistle
Not the turret
frigid compass
hull wise its mostly HE proof
bright folio
The Sheridan has a turret without spaced armor, which might be a nice spot to HE.
frigid compass
300-600 dmg is trash compared to just firing ap at it
rigid thunder
it'll stop you from being literally disabled for the entire match
bright folio
Also, there's a long-forgotten tactic of shooting the lower plate that is available.
rigid thunder
getting clapped for 1k dmg isn't exactly that hot for a fat tank with 1800 hp
taking 300-600 is a whole lot better
bright folio
Interesting note: The Sheridan is slightly faster than the Batchat.
glass relic
Since it's an LT..
lime thistle
Of course it is, it’s a aluminum hull
rigid thunder
and who can even aim at a sheridan's lower plate? The tank is so fast. Most people'll just load AP for a confirmed pen instead of gambling with HE if the tank is moving (which is should be, at all times)
gentle wasp
^
rigid thunder
I don't think you'd be able to pen something like a T110E5's lower plate when it's moving at 65 km/h, a hp/t ratio of 39 and with a traverse speed of 65 degrees/s
lime thistle
Interesting...
bright folio
That leads to an interesting conundrum with the tank. Either slow down and hit what you're aiming at, or stay mobile and take less damage.
glass relic
I wish we could have an optional turret and gun on the T92...
lime thistle
^ same
glass relic
Like it will become a unique tank, it can be turned into a full fledged LT and an.. mobile arty thingy.
bright folio
can we get the SU-130pm in blitz?
lime thistle
Can we get the Regular M551 in the game?
glass relic
So it's like the T49.. with the 90mm but the turret has smaller silhouette
lime thistle
I’m already grinding the T49
tulip sail
I just want the m-60 and the M4-SO-122
strong rover
The tank I want
tulip sail
the only sherman i need
strong rover
Lol
covert beacon
The maus needs a buff
runic yoke
Open test 6.6 will start today.
T62a will get 8 degrees ofbgun depression except on the rear.
solid gate
Do you guys know the sawcon tank?
quasi mirage
Uh the Sheridan will work mostly on camo. Just reset camo and fire
tame jungle
I wanna know how people become testers
Cuz I’ve been around since forever
Cuz I’d love to test anythin sent down the pipeline
frigid compass
@solid gate hahahahHahahHhahahHahah DudEee SAwCoN so FunnY MaYmAy hahahahahs 😂 😂 😂 😂
frigid compass
@tulip sail what m-60?
calm inlet
@tame jungle WG will approach your clan leader or you specifically about testing opportunities
they usually go to the top clans for each server
glass relic
I wonder why the WZ-111GFT has a really good concealment.. for it's size.
tulip sail
@frigid compass the one in my pfp its basically an m-50 with a hyper velocity 60mm gun
shrewd basalt
whether Leopard PTA Have characteristics that are almost the same as Standard B?
dapper panther
well, standard b has pta's hull...
after all, italy and germany were allies during ww2
solid gate
All I want for Christmas is you, Heavy Tank Mk.1
A world war 1 event would be a lot of fun, I never tried the mark 1 or any other ww1 tanks ever. 😯
dapper panther
@solid gate you can still have TOG (which is a WW1 tonk)
solid gate
But the tog 2 was between ww1 and ww2 @dapper panther
dapper panther
oh right
solid gate
The a7v should also be another playable tank
solid gate
Another Box Tenk
quartz ruin
Does it come with Indiana Jones?
bright folio
Just saw a sheridan in battle. Looks pretty fun to play.
quartz ruin
Any top attack missile mode?
Also those who have open test 6.6 with T62A please check does the tank came with a spring loaded jack in the box at the turret top for loading the breech when it's depressed to -8 degrees? 😀 😀 😀
bright folio
The sheridan's missile system seemed interesting.
solid gate
Im ready for the sheridan
glacial crest
almost at 2k
tame jungle
@calm inlet ah ok, thank you
primal ember
What’s the ideal loadout for KV-1S 122mm?
trim ibex
Ammo
tiny plume
Lma
boreal shell
More AP
dense bolt
Hi guys what do you think about the t44? And any tips about it?
neat nimbus
what i should research first?
crystal hare
tame jungle
Brit med line, yes heavy line? No
livid yacht
Every line worth it
soft hill
@crystal hare E3
solid gate
E3
narrow shadow
E3 is TDs, TDs in an usual game mean camp. Go for british heavies, FV215b is meta and it's a very good tank @crystal hare
fringe notch
Type 59 is driving me insane. I either win doing only 1k damage (I.e. I get carried) or, much more often, I lose doing 1.8k. I'm sure it's a good tank but how on earth do you drive it?
narrow shadow
It's not particularly good tank because the gun is just trash. The idea is to rush some position with hulldown and farm off the enemy. It can also brawl T7 meds, but otherwise nuh-uh, it's not great
fringe notch
What equipment/provisions/consumables would you suggest? I tried running rammer but found I couldn't pen anything. I think currently running all the left-hand gun equipment.
narrow shadow
Rammer is a must, you have no HEAT and APCR benefits little from calibrated
Rammer - Defense system - optics
Gun laying drive - HP - engine boost
Stab - toolbox - reduced cooldown
fringe notch
I'll give that layout a go, thanks @narrow shadow
solid gate
The VK 45.02 A any words of wisdom? I like the tank just not having much luck with it.
I don’t play front line with it.
scarlet nest
....well that tank is just...bad then others
solid gate
Waste of time? It seems like you should hide with it.
scarlet nest
Not waste of time if you want VK.72
But that line is totally unpopular
Cause they are slightly worse then other tonks
Probably people who want to grind that line
Will be interested in big gun with armor
But We have E100 the people's choice
And compare to the other T8
Tiger2 is great to use
I mean whats the point of playing
VK 45.02?
scarlet nest
Well...then it can be used as heavy have weak front
solid gate
Nothing wrong with trying
scarlet nest
Angling-old technique
But i saw many players use their mobile option
scarlet nest
Maybe use it as medium-heavy
rigid thunder
It should follow the medium tanks, know who you're up against and what can pen you everytime and what will struggle to pen you
solid gate
Thanks for the message friend. 👍
scarlet nest
You can't front line with it
I think thats suicidal
So it have chance to peek'n shoot
solid gate
Kool
viral lodge
Which tank are you talking about?
scarlet nest
VK 45.02
viral lodge
👍 It looks like a heavy medium to me from what ive seen, (dont see many though)
spark basin
you're supposed to play the vk 45.02a like a heavium
viral lodge
I normally see the enemies Tiger II crap on them normally.
spark basin
it hasn't gotten a significant buff to make it worthwhile
viral lodge
I mean I play tanks with higher pen at T 8 so havent had much of a problem with them ¯_(ツ)_/¯ prammo can help if I cant
solid gate
No,,, thanks. Looking at the tank it should have more gun depreciation. It is very sloped in the front.
spark basin
45.02a is just powercreeped by tiger 2 now
solid gate
@tulip sail So you switched to the Chilean Sherman?
@bright folio You forgot that HEAT will bounce off spaced armor.
Absorb*
We’ll bounce off of it or be absorbed by it. Whatever.
bright folio
It technically doesn’t bounce. It triggers the plasma jet. It is entirely possible to pen spaced armor on certain tanks with high-enough pen HEAT, or weak-enough hull armor.
zealous anchor
....
bright folio
Technicality Man Away!
warm snow
should i go Jpanther II or Ferdinand?
solid gate
jpanther 2 is better, ferdinand is easier to use
scarlet nest
Jpanther 2 is special to me
Low hull is easily penetrated
But the gun side is stronger
solid gate
Ferdi should get cheek buff. Already bad enough you can get easily flanked by mediums and lights. Not to mention lower plate though it is kinda small.
JP II I don’t know about. It has that speed which is great but I don’t like the tank.
rigid thunder
the JPanther II has a really strong superstructure, and mobility is good. Hull is garbage but it's a worth trade-off
tulip sail
@solid gate yup I got bored with the m4a3e8(75)w
solid gate
Wargaming.....ALL I want for Christmas is a BUFF on t-34-3 please!!!!! Just decrease its reloading time and give tiny TINY speed boost.... That's legit all I want for Christmas
@tulip sail I see. Well I’m sticking with this Italian MBT.
tulip sail
Lol I'll switch again sometime
solid gate
@rigid thunder Eh still not enough for me to love the tank. It’s a stupid piece of trash in my opinion.
@tulip sail you won’t switch to golan heights super Sherman later
Golan defense platform. #Random
tulip sail
I already was the super Sherman back when the rev first came out
Plus I prefer lesser know variants
solid gate
Barely anyone knows of the actual super Sherman though
tulip sail
To make people curious
solid gate
Everyone just knows the M4 revalorise
tulip sail
Hence why I did that forever ago when it first came out but maybe
solid gate
Or that one MG Sherman in TE lol @tulip sail
tulip sail
Lol eventually
solid gate
No
tulip sail
No it would be worthless against the t1s we already have
My next will probably be the Sherman Repotenciado @solid gate
solid gate
He suggested it in balance discussion too 🤦
tulip sail
Why....
solid gate
You grinding for the Sheridan?
tulip sail
Yes but no
solid gate
I already got 1 mil exp on my 49
tulip sail
Yes but not hard core since I dont enjoy t9 or tx
solid gate
I already am stocked for T92E1
tulip sail
Why
viral lodge
Isn’t T-150 collector now?
solid gate
Collector....
viral lodge
blue tank symbol
solid gate
what
viral lodge
Collector
Aka non prem event tanks and tanks removed from the tech tree
T-150 is the latter IIRC
narrow shadow
T150 is also quite a trash tank, because you can pen the turret right through the mantlet. And if you don't know that, it still has a massive MG port on top
viral lodge
Isn’t T-150 a collector now? Which would only make it available through sales?
rigid thunder
you can get it through submitting a VRT
well, considering that you had it at one point
narrow shadow
Tbh it shouldve stayed in the tech tree instead of KV2. It fits the line much better. And KV2 would still be great..
viral lodge
I mean 500 G is $2 USD
solid gate
Nothing 😂
narrow shadow
He can sell it immediately for the 500 gold again, so that's gucci i guess
viral lodge
I can’t remember if I had the DW2 or not which is really the only collector old tank I want
narrow shadow
DW2 is not even Fun to play, T4 has been butchered and is super boring
lyric oriole
You can send in a ticket, and try worst case you didn't and you don't get it back for now. My money is that Old Tech Tree tanks may be given away during Blitz Fair this year, but that's just speculation
solid gate
My ticket on rhe way
viral lodge
I mean I hate tier 1-4 anyway so don’t really care much lol
lyric oriole
I still play them every blue moon, just for reminiscence
viral lodge
I do, then want to chuck my iPad at something.
rugged bone
The Matilda needs a nerd NOTHING PENETRATES ITS ARMOR!!💥💥💥
calm inlet
except premium ammo and/or not shooting at the front
alpine notch
Matilda is fine as it is.. @rugged bone
subtle mason
Why no one plays it? top TD on the level
subtle mason
Why does anyone need armor if you're unseen?
calm inlet
you’ll get spotted eventually if you keep your gun firing
and when you do get spotted, you’re a sitting duck
subtle mason
Well, most of the time I'm not getting spotted even from 250m
calm inlet
on most maps, its hard to stay far away from the battle and keep the gun firing often
subtle mason
Well, the only issue I see with SE is that he's team dependent. You need to have a good team that pushes, gives vision.
elfin orbit
I think thats a big problem
subtle mason
It's a common issue for all TDs in blitz
red ivy
Who likes leopard 🐆
real vapor
Looks sassy as heck
calm inlet
its too bad it gets spanked by anything that touches it
real vapor
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
tulip sail
Both are pretty power krept but the is6 is good as a med killer
unkempt jasper
How bout is5?
narrow shadow
IS6 is trash, IS5 is better in literally every single important parameter
crude gorge
and is5 is a lot cheaper
narrow shadow
I think IS-6 can use a buff, it's seriously bad. T7 pen it frontally with no problem. Perhaps buff the front to 120mm and fix the turret roof to 42mm? Then it still has weak turret cheeks and cupolas, and the front is still about 230mm effective frontally. Its still worse than WZ112-2 by far, cuz it has no side spaced armour and far weaker turret, but it may actually be working again
quartz ruin
Why IS 5 or 6? There's a cheap M6A2E1 EXP on offer right now.
crude plume
There was no talk about changing tanks. It’s about buffing current tanks. If we just change tanks when one becomes power crept then the former will forever be bad while everyone just moves on. It’s better to make most tanks have at least a chance instead of making some much better than others.
tame jungle
Love how people complained about tiger 2
Thing wasn’t touched since release, then they give it a buff
Now it has actual armor befitting of a tier 8 german heavy
gentle wasp
@tame jungle it did deserve a buff but it's too juiced right now. A small nerf would be nice, leave it still strong.
tame jungle
Nah tiger 2 is perfect now
solid gate
That's not balanced at all
tame jungle
You do know
The tank has 4 sides
Just cuz one side is now actually tough
It still has three weak sides
tame jungle
Nope
gentle wasp
@tame jungle the sides are strong enough to sidescrape off of and yea the front is super good
solid gate
Every other heavy tank has a weakspot at the front
tame jungle
That’s the mediums jobs to flank
solid gate
Tiger 2 doesn't
gentle wasp
so heavies should just give up?
solid gate
That ^
tame jungle
Heavies should hold out until there meds flank
solid gate
Yeah sure
gentle wasp
while the tiger shreds them
tame jungle
Its really quite simple, and it’s a basic strategy
solid gate
So every heavy should be hopeless against it?
tame jungle
My god you forget prammo is a thing
And no, you don’t have to fight it, just be there and stop it from pushing
It’s a basic concept
gentle wasp
dude so if you are in the Lowe (a strong heavy) you are supposed to spam prammo at it while it shreds you with standard? how is this a basic concept
tame jungle
You don’t understand, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PUSH IT
solid gate
Basic concept in which your mediums either don't flank or die and you're still holding that Tiger?
gentle wasp
it will just push you then since you are helpless against it
tame jungle
Any player with a brain will know not to push without team
solid gate
You don’t seem to understand the fact tigers never go alone and meds totally have the ability to flank in all scenarios
tame jungle
If the tiger pushes alone he will die
gentle wasp
um not really since the armor is just OP and the heavies are just supposed to hold
solid gate
Any player would also know you can’t flank and exploit weak spots all the time
Also if it rushes you, you're dead because you need prammo to pen it and then you're dead also because your dpm is trash
gentle wasp
^^^
solid gate
what we talking about @solid gate
gentle wasp
Tiger II being OP
solid gate
I love the people defending an op tank because they don't want it nerfed so they can statpad in it
gentle wasp
^^^ lol
solid gate
Lol tiger 2 for sure needs a nerf
Expecting to easily flank and exploit a tiger 2s weakspots with out hassle is just as clueless as thinking the kv2 didn’t deserve a nerf
@grim moss hey chief they're talking about ur 4k WN8 tank here
tame jungle
It ain’t op, what’s op is the skorp, 252u and exp
solid gate
"weakspots" duh it doesn't have any
gentle wasp
Lol how is skorp OP pls explain
tame jungle
That gun is godly
rigid thunder
EXP + OP = ?
solid gate
Neither one of those tanks is op
lyric oriole
EXP isn't OP, and Skorp is strong but not OP by any means
solid gate
Skorp has no armor 252u has a giant LP exp has the huge front turret weak spot
This just shows you know nothing
252u's gun handling is a joke
gentle wasp
Dude. it has sht camo and no armor. Skorp is strong in a good player's hands but that is true for any tank. It is a high skill floor tank
solid gate
252u is op
grim moss
@solid gate *5k
@gentle wasp Tiger II is op why is this even an argument
gentle wasp
@grim moss ikr @ the Krono guy he is defending it
solid gate
Lol def not 252u isn't op
grim moss
@tame jungle explain how the tiger II is NOT OP
gentle wasp
iT oNlY hAs OnE wEaK sIdE
solid gate
Apparently your job as a heavy is not to shoot it but to hold it untill your mediums flank and kill it @grim moss
explain how it’s no longer worse than Lowe
Which I find absurd
grim moss
It was never truly worse than lowe
tame jungle
The thing is, it’s a tech free tank, anyone can get it. It’s got a 300 alpha gun, giant flat sides because german, my reasoning is tech tree tanks should be better than their premium counterparts
People whine and complain about op premiums
gentle wasp
@tame jungle flat thick sides and it is better than pretty much anything. That marketing strat has been far irrelevant. Most of OP tanks are premium, how is an OP tank that anyone can get better? At least OP tanks you have to pay for, this one is free.
solid gate
310 alpha is by no mean low and sides are strong so you can side scrape
Just nerf the tiger 2's turret armor, so that most tier 8's can pen it.
Like if I'm forced to shoot prammo at it FRONTALLY with any tank, there's a problem chief.
grim moss
It doesn't matter if a tank is tech tree or not if its OP
rigid thunder
oh god not the turret please, I don't want to relive the days of that trash 185mm thick flat front
gentle wasp
Yea even if you aim you can't pen it anywhere with standard
solid gate
Just make it 200 or something ig
rigid thunder
They could just tone down the lower plate and weaken the bow MG
grim moss
Tiger II turret should stay as it is
solid gate
No tank should be op, tech tree or prem/collector
grim moss
Previously it used to be way weaker and any 122mm gun could overmatch it, only the lower plate needs some tuning
solid gate
this is vk 100 pre nerf all over again
Except even worse
Vk 100 at least had weakspots 😂 😂
gentle wasp
LFP yes
solid gate
And was a lot slower
rigid thunder
the weakspot that was a 200mm thick cupola
solid gate
It's still good iirc, cupola is weak now but it can easily destroy tier 7's
Lower plate and cupola were weakspots
gentle wasp
yea i think it is good now
rigid thunder
It can still sidescrape really well, gun is really punchy for its tier and unlike the tiger 2 its upper plate can't be prammo spammed
solid gate
I miss charioteer pre nerf
I mean yes it was absurdly OP but lol
Wanna hear a joke? T7 meds pen vk100 lower plate with standard ammo. But t10 meds can't pen Tiger 2 lower plate with standard ammo. And vk100 is supposed to be a super heavy 😂 😂
The kpz70 couldn’t pen the tiger 2 front plate even with CS and at a 90 degree angle advantage
totally balanced
rancid mauve
Just load the prammo and go right through everything
And enjoy the tank while you can!
slow goblet
Got a 24h offer for M6A2E1 EXP, for about 11EUR. Is it worth getting? I dont have a great t8 prem heavy yet, want a good moneymaker. Should I get EXP, or just get T34 or Löwe for gold on discount?
frozen mural
Exp is good , got it free in summer event
Think u alredy mist the prem tank discount , lowe also fine for coins bit boring tank
slow goblet
Wg kinda forgot to give the techntree prem discount to EU server...
frozen mural
That was last 3 days
solid gate
So Pantouflee (however you spell his name) apparently doesn’t like the nerfs done to Progetto 46. To the point he said Wargaming cancelled it. I’m a bit confused why he said they cancelled it then says it’s getting nerfs and not to buy it.
narrow shadow
It needed a massive nerf, I thought that was obvious to everyone
solid gate
@solid gate Happy Thanksgiving
@narrow shadow That’s more than likely true. The one I saw in public battle basically carried my team. I didn’t even get 1k damage myself because of him.
short flame
m6 exp is a good tank, but not enough good if i would need to pay for it. would say same for any other "tech tree" premium
solid gate
M6 EXP isn’t tech tree but it’s normal tier 7 cousin is.
short flame
i know m6 exp is not tech tree prem lmao
solid gate
Neither are as “OP” as Meadsy thinks they are. The sides are horrible and they are huge. Only the front has armor as long as they can’t hit the turret ring or turret “cheeks.”
short flame
M6 exp is good because it has actually good mobility compared to the massive frontal armor it gets but still, its not a super heavy, because it can bounce only a few degrees towards him, a real super heavy (vk100p) is able to bounce all round him.
solid gate
I don’t know. I think the T29 and T34 are far better tanks than the M6A2E1s.
short flame
oh, forgot that the gun is flawless
cant say same for t34's one, crappy aimtime and bloom.
i woule pick m6 exp over t34 and not only because its funnier to play
solid gate
Well the gun may be better for accuracy on the EXP but I still think T34 is overall the better tank.
short flame
T34 is slower than m6 exp, has just better turret, everything else is way way way worse.
solid gate
Eh I don’t find that to be the case. Both kinda suck at hitting anything when moving.
short flame
m6 exp is the most accurate gun out of all tier X heavies, excluding lowe, caernarvon, tiger 2, chieftain t95 and vk45a.
solid gate
But we are just different. I’d take the T34 out any day but EXP and I don’t mix as well.
short flame
still, m6 is the most accurate gun hitting harder than 320 alpha, and is also way more accurate than most guns with lower alpha.
i really feel like i cant miss or bounce in m6 exp, have the same feeling only with lowe
solid gate
EXP’s design is the problem for me. It’s so tall and has such weak side armor. Trying to hull down it is a lot harder than hull downing a T34.
Well that’s your opinion that it’s better. Mine is T34 is. Leave it at that.
short flame
i said the gun is better, not the tank overall
btw, a thing is sure: m6 exp requires higher skill cap, because t34 go in hulldown and u're done
solid gate
Better gun doesn’t mean that much really. If you know what you’re doing you can make both tanks work effectively. If you don’t then you’re screwed.
Well I’m off to play Chinese IS-2. Not that it’s a good tank. Far from it in fact.
short flame
m6 trades versatiliy for being totally trashed if a circle of death circumstance appears.
and any tier 8 is able to c.o.d. the m6
languid ermine
T62 with -8 gun dep 🤷♂️ just why
How about t-22 med armor buff next
Or maybe you should buff IS-4 and ruin cw games with it again
solid gate
No, just give it 10° because prems always have to be better than tech tree tanks so wg can make more money.
Well Leopard 1 is supposedly getting .1 or .1 and a half off it’s reload. Not sure why they thought it needed that minor buff.
languid ermine
Just give us Obj268 V4 from pc
solid gate
It's like 100 more dpm so it's nice @solid gate
Meh I don't feel the game is worth playing anymore
Shouldn’t IS-7 get a buff instead? Because apparently the IS-4 is now better than IS-7. Think they should be on par with each other though slightly different.
A lot of tanks need changing but wg doesn't see that, they buff tanks which are already good or great and premium tanks so they sell them better
tulip sail
I dont have either but what I've heard is the is7 is only good against lights and meds
solid gate
But really there are tanks that truly need buffs. T-62 A and Leopard 1 not so much.
Is7 and the vk72 are the worst tX heavies
Vk72 is just pathetic
And for some reason I find 198mm I’d pen adequate for Chrysler K but find it sucky for T32.
Because chrysler is op 😂
VK 72 I heard has some weak points that ruin it.
tulip sail
Probably because the Chrysler k is more versatile and can put it to better use
solid gate
Well T32 should get better penetration. Nobody said you had to give the gun the same penetration on all the tanks it is on. Actually if we were realistic the T29 would be the tier 8 because T32 would only get a 90mm.
tulip sail
True but if we were realistic a lot of things would be better
solid gate
True that.
solid gate
Well I hated T32 in the past. Might just skip it if I cannot get it to work this time.
tulip sail
Same I rage sold it
solid gate
T29 is just so amazing then you get to T32 and it seems like bucket of bolts compared to T29.
tulip sail
Exactly why I wound up with a pile of credits after a game
languid ermine
This game was good but they have lost it now
solid gate
Also why does Chinese IS-2 have to have so much worse dispersion than IS and IS-2 (1945)? I get Wargaming not wanting it to be better than IS-2 (1945) but it shouldn’t be as bad as it is. I guess could play it with the 100mm but the tank’s armor is still going to be an issue.
languid ermine
All the hybrid tanks and op collectors
solid gate
2 hybrid tanks suck or did suck. Strv 74 and Blaze. I tried Blaze briefly and lost all the battles and lost a bunch of credits. Premium my foot. It has crappy earning.
viral lodge
Prob a low credit efficiency
tulip sail
The only op collect I can think of is the smasher and maybe tx British td
solid gate
That’s dumb as it’s labeled a premium tank. Premiums are supposed to have fairly good to great earning capabilities. Otherwise should rename them Collectors as those don’t have to have high earning capabilities.
tulip sail
Before or after its massive buff
solid gate
#NerfFoch155Bandwagon
tulip sail
Is it really a band wagon if its actually needed
solid gate
Yes because everyone wants it nerfed. Should we get the Foch B as well?
tulip sail
"used in reference to an activity, cause, etc. that is currently fashionable" it's not really fashionable if its legit it's just knowing what balance is
solid gate
Semantics I’m calling that.
Train then. Whatever. I was just being silly. Geez. Ruin the moment.
Besides in the context of Blitz nothing is fashionable. Also that definition is silly in itself. Now back to that stupid Chinese IS-2.
narrow shadow
Yes, that one needs a buff to 120mm front armour
I am struggling with it right now and it's the worst T7 heavy I have ever played
solid gate
Hybrid tanks are meh most prems and collectors aren’t op at all
solid gate
Ugh dracula, helsing, lupus and smasher are hybrid tanks...
short flame
they're all actually meh lol
solid gate
Yeah I'd beg to different
tulip sail
And one of those are op
short flame
dracula and helsing are very old op tanks but, tiers 7 received so many many buffs, same didnt happen to drac and helsing.
lupus is just bad
smasher is op only if u think kv2 is op
smasher is a stupid noobs' tank with one of the lowest skills cap
noobs can do well, pros can do a bit better than it
good tanks are those where u see an huge difference between how bots and pros play them.
devout tapir
:0
solid gate
Dracula is very easy to defeat in general
If you call it op you just don’t know how to engage it
It has terrible gun statistics and will most likely loose on a 1 on 1
No you said hybrid tanks are meh
I wasn't saying that those tanks are op, just that they aren't meh either
civic karma
m41 bulldog is not as good as the t49...
solid gate
why do u compare the two though
Xd
Yeah I said it’s meh and I’m confirming it everyone treats the drac like it’s a god when really it’s just another T7 prem
civic fiber
Any advice on how to play on T95? because I really struggle to play it
slow goblet
Is T54mod1 worth getting for 5k? Is it strong and fun?
valid lodge
T54 Mod1 is pretty enjoyable
viral lodge
"m41 bulldog is not as good as the t49..." Why wouldn't the next tier tank be better than the original?
solid gate
IS-2 should have same frontal armor as IS-2 (1945) at least. The Russian premium can still have the better gun statistics but the Chinese one really needs some love. It’s the worst tank in the line as far as I can tell.
@civic karma You cannot even compare the 2. One has a 90mm or big derp 152mm and the other has autoloader 75/76mm or single shot 75/76mm to choose from. Though I think the single shot is better for M41.
tulip sail
It's also difficult to compare two different tiers
solid gate
Seen too many M41s with autoloader not do quite as well as the single shot ones. Single shot just makes the tank more versatile. It can do it’s job better. If you want an autoloader light you’d be better off going for the French or something.
@tulip sail And that’s true.
tulip sail
I never liked the autoloader on it
solid gate
I didn’t even try M41’s autoloader. It has less standard and prammo pen and less dpm than the single shot. Don’t like that. By the way Chinese IS-2 is more team dependent than the Russian IS and IS-2.
slow goblet
I only play it with autoloader and doing great
solid gate
Um ok. What tanks do you think Wargaming will add next besides Japanese TDs?
stray nova
Tiger(P) is better then the regular tiger 1 right?
solid gate
In some ways it is but in other ways the Tiger I is better.
viral lodge
T71 is a good Autoloader same with T69
surreal haven
lime thistle
What do y’all think of the Pz. Sfl. IVC?
solid gate
OP gun, just like Nashorn, even better that thing at t6
lime thistle
But 209 Pen op
scarlet nest
Fast boi
modern flint
Is this the right equipment for Lowe reliant heavy tank
short flame
@modern flint lowe is nowhere near to a stealth tank, so switch camo net to optics, everything else is fine, but i prefer using supercharge instead of pointer smt
solid gate
I would use more Hp and the toolbox
real vapor
For 263, and grille, run engine boost or traverse?
solid gate
Traverse is a must
solid gate
isnt lowe reliant and lowe the same thing ?
zealous anchor
Same stats yes, but different tank if you own both I think
zealous anchor
Not like t34 and t34(1176)?
viral lodge
It is a camo that adds a name.
zealous anchor
Oh ok
viral lodge
You dont get 2 Lowes
zealous anchor
LEL
solid gate
thats what i was thinking aswell but why not just add the camo in the appearance section ?
quartz ruin
It's in the camo section. The legendary section
radiant coral
Hello there, i just got only one question
real vapor
@radiant coral ask away
regal zealot
Go for more HP
quartz ruin
If you have the top gun module I would change the second row to be 1 1 1. But it depends on your taste and game play style
rigid thunder
go for a GLD instead, the tiger already has good shell velocity and fires AP as standard, not much dropoff
radiant coral
Thx for anwsering ✌️
viral lodge
Is there anything good about the Fury? I looked at the blitz hanger and nothing struck me as amazing.
rigid thunder
it has high dpm and good gun depression
viral lodge
Ah ok, thanks.
solid gate
Just like the normal E8
the m4 fl 10 is better i think
@solid gate T34 Independence can stay a separate tank and will. T34 from tech tree premium section already has a legendary camo. The Falcon camo. Plus that American flag camo is ugly.
lmao, its okay
bright folio
I have a noob-y question. What advantage does an autoloader have over an autoreloader?
Maybe its because the M4/FL10 doesn't have a tiny target profile, light tank camo, and the ability to sit comfortably at 50 kmph like the AMX 13 75, but the autoreloader seems objectively better.
spark basin
none
rigid thunder
they're supposed to have a shorter clip reload time
eager pine
Is it worth it to perma enrich Stug at discount? 220% cc sounds really good
bright folio
Maybe the autoreloader is for when WG wants to make an autoloading premium overpowered, or when they find that their new tank isn't decent enough as an autoloader.
glass relic
Well might be worth it enriching that tank, since it's a good tonk.
lost fog
I permaenriched my T49, bc I play it too much and with enrichment I can actually not lose 10k credits per gam
solid gate
On the black prince what equipment do you guys run?
drowsy arrow
So does anyone know why they removed the t82 & some other light tank destroyers?
gentle wasp
@solid gate traverse, rammer, armor seem to be the most important ones
@drowsy arrow to make low tiers easier for new players
solid gate
Thanks
drowsy arrow
@gentle wasp oh ok
topaz fable
Because the "light" tank destroyer had an admittedly fun 105mm boomstick
limpid berry
Don’t put the Sheridan in the game. If so why the hell is it at Tier X? That thing can shoot like a regular tank and a guided middle? Like it can shoot high velocity and low velocity!? Like wth is this.
gentle wasp
@limpid berry little late
bitter raven
Cromwell b is good tank to buy?
viral lodge
Yes, but best to wait to see if any of the BF tank bundles are better.
gentle wasp
@bitter raven yes very much. probably best deal of the year
viral lodge
It will be available on the 30th so best to see lol
limpid berry
@gentle wasp lol I just saw the tank today
viral lodge
To me the Crom B just seems like a little better Crom which peeks a little better over ridges. I may just be a Cromwell hater lol idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limpid berry
Cromwell is garbage
thick trout
The crom b is a godly tank, think about a vk28.01 with great depression and more dpm... I could never understand the appeal until I bought one myself a little while ago and I don't regret a thing
alpine notch
Cromwell B is kinda medium-light to me, unlike the actual Cromwell, the B mobility is just superior to original Cromwell
Or maybe is it just me then? 🤔
little moth
It’s exactly the same except for the Depression
slow goblet
Is the Churchill mk6 worth getting? The front 176mm armor seems juicy, especially buffed with the equipment, which should give 183mm.
frigid compass
@slow goblet laughs in 212 pen
livid yacht
Get the gun first for sure
narrow shadow
@placid adder That is the T-34-2 right? You wanna get the 122mm gun, otherwise it's just a slower T44 with no gun depression and terrible gun. But once you get the 122mm, ooooooh yeeeees the aimtime is so good and the tank is very playable
solid gate
@narrow shadow issa wz 120
narrow shadow
Damn they look the same. But the advice is the same isn't it?
eager pine
Yes Churchill mk vi is worth getting
solid gate
@narrow shadow go check em out again, they are very different, yeah u need the 122 gun to do well
narrow shadow
Why are they differnet? They look the same to me, except WZ120 has even less gun dep and actual DPM in exchange?
narrow shadow
I thought you meant by stats. And they look very similar still
topaz sentinel
Hi m, I saw that some player had the opportunity to test the Sheridan, I would like to know how I could do to test it too?
livid yacht
The 120 has bigger turret and it's on the middle of the hull while on the T-34-2 it's more on the front
misty grove
opinion on chieftain?
rigid thunder
Chieftain/T95? Great tank, good mobility for a heavy with a really good gun and gun depression, should be played as a heavium. Cupola is pretty bad as a weakspot but as long as you keep moving the tank on a ridgeline erratically it'll be hard to hit
lyric oriole
@topaz sentinel wargaming approaches top clans in each server
solid gate
Torture
spark basin
yikes, gl
lyric oriole
If Churchill GC was still in the tech tree your grind would be much easier
rigid thunder
head down the FV4005 line first, it'll make it more bearable at least
bitter raptor
lyric oriole
Churchill GC is strong
Armor, Camo, and Fire Power it's not fast but it has what it needs to be good
snow zodiac
Armor?
rigid thunder
but since it's flat, many players just spam gold at it and pen it all day
lyric oriole
It's not a very sound argument in tier 6 there is only a handful of players that readily use Premium ammo
rigid thunder
true
plush flint
Krupp 38 is worth the price?
rigid thunder
If you want the tank and like tier 5 gameplay, sure.
steady sapphire
what are you think about yugoslavian tanks for last 3 tiers (X,IX,VIII)
In Europen tech tree
wicked forge
My gc is always getting pened am I angling wrong
lyric oriole
You should only do a slight angle, too much just gives the track weaknesses of all Churchill Tanks
rancid mauve
I’m trying CS on the Grille and I don’t know how I feel. Just played a full tier 10 match and was able to fire AP at everything. Reload is 12.5 seconds which is just fine honestly
karmic field
honestly, I feel like HE needs a buff. That equipment is so broken against medium T10 tanks, literally makes HE do the same if not less than your HE
One of the row-1 column-2 equips lowers damage taken from HE, right?
I feel like I should be getting rewarded more from hitting a grille/WT with HE then literally getting my AP alpha as my damage every hit
yeah, improved modules +. I think (not 100% sure) that Grille has it, and it reduces all HE damage instead of just 130mm+ shells
That, or 105mm HE is just trash, in which case it needs a buff
solid gate
HE is no skill ammo, you shouldn't be rewarded for shooting it
wise moth
^
solid gate
i’d change is so that either HE pens and does full alpha dmg or it barely does 100-200 max depending on caliber, but the module damage should stay as it is
wise moth
I'm cool with splash damage, but HE pens doing extra damage is dumb
snow zodiac
How is HE no skill? You have to know your tanks and weak spots, or you just wind up doing 75 damage a pop
Or 300 with a big gun, but still
300 alpha with a 12 second reload is how you get killed
solid gate
@snow zodiac it still requires less skill considering often people spam HE when u r in a good position and manage to duck back before u do anything
snow zodiac
It still requires skill recognize those situations, and make the ammo switch. I see what you are saying, it is annoying to be sidescraping perfectly and still get beat up, but it’s not like people go around shooting exclusively HE, taking the easy splash damge above tier three
wise moth
@snow zodiac Instant ammo switching and hitskings are a thing ya know. It literally takes 0 skill to load HE, look for a non-yellow spot, and pray to RNGsus that it hits the small area you aimed for
People who claim that "HE takes skill" just say that because they're such low skill players, they think it's hard to point, click, and pray
snow zodiac
So they are aiming for weak spots? Sounds like they aren’t so horrible after all
Sk8 is incredibly low skill? I didn’t know that
solid gate
@snow zodiac yes, it is definitely not that easy to use the HE, i still think it can mostly be used correctly by good players. @wise moth to actually get good trades from HE you do need skill
wise moth
Are you seriously trying to tell me that being able to look at a hitskin is difficult? 😂
snow zodiac
Is this one of the servers where posting links is punishable?
solid gate
well, explain how people cannot pen with HE?
why are low skilled players bouncing? can’t they just look at the hitskin???
wise moth
@solid gate spots that can be penned with HE are generally much smaller than areas that cannot be penned with HE, so they get bad RNG and their shell misses
solid gate
yea, like they even aim for weakspots
snow zodiac
https://youtu.be/ScB5it3tnOQ
I’ll just let SK8 make the argument for me
wise moth
@snow zodiac The first scene in the video is literally him taking a super chancy shot from 437 meters. Against the spot he aimed at, he basically had a 50/50 to hit or not. 50/50 to do 960 vs. 300 is literally the definition of a low-skill RNG based mechanic
snow zodiac
By definition pointing the reticle at a weak spot and pulling the trigger is trusting to RNG
wise moth
If he loads AP, he's going to hit and pen for ~640 basically every time
viral lodge
There is a difference between a risky shot and a sure shot messed up by RNG.
wise moth
But with HE, the spot he can pen is much, much smaller, so it's just an added layer of RNG
viral lodge
That is a risky shot
wise moth
Imagine it from the perspective of that 183. How is it a good mechanic that he takes 300 extra damage just because he lost a coin flip?
snow zodiac
I fail to see your point. It makes the game more interesting by adding more diversity
wise moth
Literally his only thought process was this: "I wonder if I can pen with HE?", *presses the 3 key*, "oh look there's a possibility for me to pen one panel of his turret side if I get lucky!", *clicks*
Absolutely 0 skill involved.
snow zodiac
Would skill be involved if that’s an AP shell?
wise moth
And if the whole hitskin was yellow, he could just press the 1 key and take the reliable 640 damage
snow zodiac
Or just know that you can pen the sides of the 183’s turret with HE
karmic field
That takes skill. You have to aim somewhere, or position somehow
wise moth
@snow zodiac Not for that single shot, but over the long run, AP takes more skill because you need to open up more shot opportunities whereas a low skill player can get lucky, and boost his damage output by 50% sometimes if he gets lucky on an aiming RNG roll
snow zodiac
You also need to position your tank correctly to hit the sides and rear without getting smashed yourself. I’m going to treat HESH as completely separate for this discussion
wise moth
If you're trying to HE someone's side, that's literally the definition of unnecessary RNG. Most tank sides are covered in tracks and spaced armor, or are thick enough such that they can only be penned at very flat angles. When you try to HE those, you're literally just praying that they don't move a tiny bit, and that your shell hits the sliver of their side above the tracks
Like if you're shooting at the side of an RU-251, if you load AP, you'll pen every time, but if you load HE, you're gambling that you can hit the sliver of his engine deck that isn't covered by his tracks
solid gate
How do I effectively play a tiger 1
snow zodiac
Or the tracks can catch the AP shell too. We have all bounced the sides of that or the SP1c or grille or something like that by hutting the tracks
solid gate
can't do well in it
snow zodiac
It’s a med, not a classic heavy
solid gate
I know that but even then I do bad
wise moth
@snow zodiac Tracks don't catch AP shells. When that happens, what actually happened is your shell missed them by hitting the bottom edge of their tracks and passing underneath the tank itself
snow zodiac
I’ve definitely seen countless occasions where the shell hits the top half of the track and disappears
wise moth
Also, "not getting smashed" is separate from HE "skill". If you're a noob, lets say you YOLO to get someone's side or something. It took you no skill to do that maneuver; but if you get lucky with your HE, you can do 50% more damage before dying than if you only had AP shells. How is that not compensating for lack of skill?
snow zodiac
You get blown up ten seconds later. Landing one HE shell by yolo is hardly a good game
wise moth
Yeah, but it's a better game than he would have had if he only had AP shells
snow zodiac
It’s not like 900 damage in a t49 is much better that 600
wise moth
The fact remains that, that for the same number of shot opportunities, HE shells give you the opportunity to do more damage by adding extra RNG
Skill in this game is being able to create shot opportunities through positioning. HE shells just mean that a lower skilled player who cannot create as many shot opportunities can potentially get lucky and do the same damage as if he were a higher skill player who created more shot opportunities and fired AP.
snow zodiac
If you want to harm yourself by not shooting HE, go ahed. Who am I to stop you?
wise moth
Even a player with 5 battles fresh out of the tutorial can aim at a gray spot and press the shoot button. If you really believe that doing so is "skill", then I have no words for you
viral lodge
HE in my opinion is only to deal with enemies like lights and TD (Nashorn Line)
snow zodiac
I’ll gladly leave the server again if we are at that point
viral lodge
I’ve been saved many times since I would of died by AP but they used HE and splashed
snow zodiac
I fail to see how shooting HE at a weak point is any different than shooting AP at a weak point from a required skill perspective
It either works or it does not work
wise moth
It's because the pennable area on a tank is much smaller if you use HE compared to AP 🤦♂️
viral lodge
HE is a gamble always, AP is sure
snow zodiac
You might do better with HE, or you might do worse
Than why are you trying to convince people otherwise? Wouldn’t you rather have people do 300 to you instead of 600?
viral lodge
Do you know how many teammates I’ve had spam HE
wise moth
Take this for example. A Skorpion that gets a side shot on a T29 literally can hit him anywhere and pen for 460 with AP.
But if he gambles and loads HE, his pennable area is reduced to just this
And he's also gambling that the T29 driver doesn't traverse his tank at all, or the angle will cause it to be unpennable
This is why shooting HE is different from shooting AP 🤦
snow zodiac
Looks like there is a pretty big range of movement available to me
wise moth
Also, I'll hasten to remind you that you have not made a single affirmative argument for HE requiring skill
viral lodge
HE is literally just get behind the enemy, shoot, and pray it doesn’t splash. No skill
wise moth
Thus far, your only point has been "shooting HE is basically the same as shooting AP", which anyone can tell you is patently false
viral lodge
*I hate enemy T49 because of this
snow zodiac
I’m not arguing that it by definition requires skill. It can definitely be used without skill to spam. I’m arguing that it can be used skillfully and doesn’t by definition make you incompetent for using it
wise moth
That's a tautological argument. "It takes skill because it takes skill"
viral lodge
It requires knowledge of when to use it, but the use itself doesn’t require skill.
wise moth
@viral lodge Not even that because if you dab the 3 key, you can see exactly when to use it
snow zodiac
Then you are sitting exposed
viral lodge
I mean I can swap and shoot in a second without looking really since I know almost all the weak spots at tier 6-8.
Which is what I mean skill wise, the aiming is easy and no skill required since RNG will screw you over half the time anyway.
wise moth
Basically, my argument is as follows:
- Skill in this game comes from being able to create shot opportunities
- Using HE does not require one to be able to create more shot opportunities, but instead allows players to do more damage from fewer shot opportunities simply by pressing the 3 key and aiming at a non-gray spot
- Pressing the 3 key and aiming at a gray spot takes no skill
Thus, HE takes no skill
You have not been able to disprove any of these premises
snow zodiac
I think you misunderstand me. You seem to be arguing that firing HE makes you incompetent by definition. I am saying it can be used skillfully
wise moth
My argument here is a logical chain. If you can prove to me that one of my premises is wrong, I'll admit defeat
snow zodiac
“Pressing the three key and aiming at a grey spot takes no skill”
It’s not like that is the whole point of the game or anything, shooting at weak spots of tanks and doing damage. I fail to see your point. The entire purpose of the game is skillless?
wise moth
@snow zodiac Point 1 disproves that assertion
"Skill in this game comes from being able to create shot opportunities"
snow zodiac
Setting up HE shots can take significantly more skill because it is by definition harder to land HE, between exterior modules and low pen
Or you can just splash the front for 300, in which case your arguments stand. I am referring to the penetrating uses however
wise moth
@snow zodiac That is false
A shot opportunity is the same no matter what ammo you have loaded. If I position myself to create a crossfire and get the side of a T29 in my Skorpion G; that action has already been done. The action of using HE vs. AP is a separate matter
Using HE did not require me to create another shot opportunity, thus my point #2 still stands
Instead, with this shot opportunity, I am able to do more damage by pressing the 3 key, aiming at a gray spot, and hoping for good RNG
And because pressing the 3 key, aiming at a gray spot, and hoping for good RNG takes no skill, my use of HE takes no skill
snow zodiac
If a person are looking for an HE shell as opposed to an AP shell, they will likely set up differently because of the reduced penetration. The hypothetical situation you have constructed is pretty much best case scenario, a stationary and oblivious side on heavy tank. If that tank was looking in your general direction, you would hit the front with AP, or look for a different angle to use HE
wise moth
@snow zodiac If I'm fighting a T29 in a head on battle in a Skorpion G, that is a fight I deserve to lose. He has outpositioned me, and thus deserves to win the fight
And as far as I know, no one actively looks for only HE penetrations except for T49 drivers. They look for opportunities to do damage, and if it so happens that the opportunity to hit with an HE shell arises, they will load HE
snow zodiac
I play the Foch 155 and am constantly looking for HE. I will frequently wait to see if that AMX50B will go side on, so I am being rewarded for patience and not just lobbing AP into the turret
wise moth
Ok.
That's the first good argument you've made here. I'll concede.
My new stance is that "HE takes no skill in most scenarios"
The scenario you've just described is an actual case of HE requiring skill.
solid gate
the guy had a good point at the beginning, no need to be that harsh.
narrow shadow
HESH is also a HE with big penetration for all intents and purposes
Using that does take some skill, cuz you need to aim properly
wise moth
I'm actually relatively ok with HESH penetration as a mechanic because the pennable area often isn't much different from standard ammo, so there's less RNG involved
I'll concede that sometimes HE takes skill, but it still won't stop me from being unhappy that it adds that extra layer of RNG
@solid gate His beginning point was basically "If you shoot yellow spots, you'll do less damage, thus HE takes skill"
Which is kind of a dumb argument because shooting non-yellow spots takes no skill.
solid gate
it's just the same as when u shoot ap, you look for gray spots right? does that take no skill either ?
wise moth
Yeah, it takes no skill
solid gate
why aren't they doing 3k every match then though
wise moth
My problem with HE is that since it takes no extra skill, but adds extra RNG, it's a dumb mechanic
solid gate
it does take extra skill since weakspots are way smaller
wise moth
@solid gate Because they don't have the skill to set up enough shot opportunities
Smaller weakspots takes more RNG, not more skill
solid gate
nah, i just do not get it sorry. I still think HE is not easy to use at all. It is easy to splash but not to do good trades.
wise moth
The vast majority of players have the ability to point and tap
Especially since tanks do not move fast, the necessity of being able to track a fast moving target like there is in other shooter games isn't there in tanks. Pointing and clicking a very slow moving, stationary target is not very difficult
solid gate
yet they still come out in the open, have a clear shot and still miss or bounce
wise moth
That's usually because they have poor RNG or lag. Are there players who may struggle to point and click? Yes, but they're in the minority
nova monolith
languid ermine
Just buff foch155 cause wg seems to love unbalanced tanks
simple hollow
Yes, @nova monolith but i have the independence camo on it
hollow notch
T28 HTC is broken top tier
karmic field
so is everything discluding tier 10 tanks, because tier 9s are broken right now. Lol
you ever play a T1 Heavy?
That thing's bonkers versus tier 4s
neat nimbus
should i go for this?
karmic field
VK30.01 P is a tough grind, stock, but extremely solid maxed. That, and it leads to the tigers 😉
narrow shadow
Just free xp at least the first engine, you need it. The tank is very gucci tho
It can even load the top gun on stock turret afaik
karmic field
no it can't, it needs the turret
narrow shadow
Well the L/70 is good enough anyways
karmic field
however if you see his pic, he already has gun, which is half the grind anyways. I would just get the turret, and you'll be good
narrow shadow
Nah, the engine is giving a huge boost to this tank in particular. I say engine - turret - engine
I think the top one has 100% more hp than the first one soo yeah
hollow belfry
Same
Went through that grind
You will need those engines
narrow shadow
Actually im right, you can have the 8.8 with the stock turret @karmic field
karmic field
really? That's so weird.
Guess I didn't have it researched, so I couldnt get it on. I just figured cause research paths
narrow shadow
Yeah, maybe it's an oversight, anyways you can't use the L/70 but you can use the L/56 with stock turret
hollow belfry
If I had to play it again, I would prolly use the L/56 since I can deal with the reload and it has decent punch for a med. Often had fun in it
narrow shadow
Teh thing is @neat nimbus , there are no particularly good tanks after the VK3001P to grind for. VK72K is just trash and Maus is locked behind the terrrible VK100P and Mauschen
hollow belfry
Tiger P is still a quite good T7 heavy
And the VK 45.02 A can perform fairly well as a med hunter and a flanker, but like 95% of the players drives it like a Maus
narrow shadow
I did have some success in the VK45A , but the tank is simply worse than Tiger 2 in everything but a bit of acceleration
viral lodge
VK45 looks like a Heavy/Med hybrid tbh
narrow shadow
Tiger P is considered good by most, but it's a brainless tank, you push into the first enemy you see and hope he has no brain and wont pen u
And VK45B is a strictly worse E75, it needs a buff for sure
viral lodge
Tiger P on a flat ground 1v1 will be penned almost always by same tiers
karmic field
The VK45B does not need buffs. It's armor is beastly, and its gun is fantastic
The VK45A is a heavium
narrow shadow
VK45B needs a side armour buff. At this point, what does it have over E75?
100mm sides are the biggest disappointment ever, they get meme penned by HEAT even over 70 degrees of angle easily
solid gate
Smaller lower plate
narrow shadow
The tank is all set up for sidescraping, but even that is done by E75 better
hollow belfry
I even didn't wanted to buy it. Stopped at the T8. The A is really fun when you learned how to play it. With that bad gun I can most of time deal around 3-4k in t9 games. Just aim
narrow shadow
Also a fantastic gun? I think we have a very different view of a fantastic gun. It's the opposite of a fantastic gun
hollow belfry
And if I'm not wrong that "fantastic" slight cough gun is the same for both the E75 and the 45b
narrow shadow
Not exactly. VK45B's gun has the second worst gun handling in the tier, the only worse one is the ST1, and that one has more DPM and actually good pramo, and even the rest of the tank is uncomparably better
narrow shadow
ST1?
narrow shadow
Yeah, I myself have no idea why I bought it
I'm never gonna buy the VK72K, so what the hell was I thinking???
karmic field
Yeah, the VK45A is not the line
Either Tiger II or the VK100 are better
narrow shadow
Like I said, it's only reasonable to give the 120mm side armour to VK45B
So it doesn't get meme penned by HEAT all day when sidescraping
rustic knoll
Just now realizing how completely outclassed chiri is by the m4/fl10... they both have a 3 shot clip with about the same damage and interclip reload but m4/fl10 can reload single shots
They both have about the same mediocre armor and mobility
Just got the m4/fl10 and did this on my first battle
quartz ruin
That was just you being a good player. On the average 800 games new player ...
rustic knoll
Lol, I see someone hates HE... I love it...get in a tank like wt auf or grille 15 and you can spam HE at tanks like is4 and maus for 300+ damage no matter how hard they try to angle
So if they are trying to hold a position you can just chip away at them until they back off or leave
I started loading more HE after I found I could wreck heavies like maus with it at over 400m without having to rely on rng for a penetration
@quartz ruin I mean I guess...i would typically expect to do at least decent in any tank but that's better than most tanks I've played for a first battle
placid adder
1.7k is still low
haughty linden
Is the amx 30 b worth 17500 gold?
rigid thunder
it's not like they're even selling it rn, but imo not really
haughty linden
I want a t10
rigid thunder
well grind the tech tree to get one
haughty linden
It's too slow process
rigid thunder
... everyone else does it so why can't you
karmic field
And that, deal child Aryan, is the EXACT sort of player that Wargaming takes advantaqge of and EVERY player in the game hates
haughty linden
I don't get to play regularly
karmic field
All the more reason
You get a tier 10, you get dumpstered EVERY game
rigid thunder
just play slowly, you don't have to rush a line
make sure you get a good grasp of tier 10 first, to ensure you don't waste a huge sum of cash on a tank you won't be able to play well
karmic field
Rushing tiers = bad. Rushing tiers = VERY bad
haughty linden
Well I was about to purchase my first premium
karmic field
What tier do you have in tech tree, and what tank are you buying?
haughty linden
8
karmic field
and what premium are you trying for>
haughty linden
T10
karmic field
Don't do it. Tier 8-10 is SUCH a steep learning curve
haughty linden
Amx 30b
karmic field
you WILL be lucky if you deal any damage in battles
rigid thunder
tier 10 is the hardest tier to play, you don't want to just jump into it like that, trust me
karmic field
I have 12000 battles and Tier 10 is still brutal for me
haughty linden
I just mastered my super pershing
rigid thunder
plus, the AMX 30b is a hard tank to play due to poor armour and good mobility, requires good positioning
karmic field
I would suggest a tier 8, at the most a tier 9 tank
rigid thunder
Oh you already have a super pershing?
karmic field
if you NEED a higher tier tank, the AMX 30 1er Prot and the K-91 are both solid choices
haughty linden
Containers
rigid thunder
ok stop flexing ur luck on me tnx
karmic field
easy to play, as long as you play smart
karmic field
still not a good idea, but if you must, that one is fairly foolbproof with a bit of learning
bright folio
I wonder if there is a tank in-game that is objectively better than another tank in the same tier, or has an objectively gun/turret combination.
Objectively better=identical or better in every aspect.
spark basin
252u against any other is series tanks in the same tier
bright folio
I:E an objectively better gun would have higher alpha, more penetration across the board, a shorter reload, better aim time, better dispersion standing still, turning the turret, and moving, higher shell velocity across the board, and any other measurable stat.
Comparing the 252U to the IS-3 and IS-5, the IS-series tanks have better DPM, Rate of fire, reload, Shell velocity, aim time(IS-5), dispersion, Gun elevation(IS-3), Top speed both forward and reverse, Power/weight, effective HP/ton, terrain resistance(IS-3), Traverse(IS-3), and HP(IS-5). While I'm not saying that it isn't better as a tank, objectively better would be better by every measurable stat.
spark basin
chinese is-2 has some aspects that are better than russian is-2 surprisingly enough
i can't think of any tanks that are straight up better than other tanks in every aspect
crude gorge
according to blitz star the chinese is2 has better shell velocity and slightly better backward speed, otherwise the is2 1945 is better in every single aspect
the t-34-2 and the t-34-3?
spark basin
t-34-2 has better horsepower per ton and camo
crude gorge
ye
t-34-3 has slightly better aim time but that's the only thing it is better at
that was pretty close
another thing it is better at than the -2 is that it has better credit coefficient but that's for sure because -3 is a premium, the inferior version of the -2
lyric oriole
T-34-3 also has better armor and profile compared to T-34-2 as well as better HEAT shells
crude gorge
oh yeah
lyric oriole
And Fire Rate I believe
crude gorge
alright then, where could we find a tank that is better than another tank within the same tier in every single aspect
lyric oriole
You mean tech tree better than Prem?
crude gorge
no
like a tank that is better than another tank at the same tier in every single aspect (credit coefficient and repair cost not included)
lyric oriole
Type 58 Vs. vanilla T-34-85 I believe
crude gorge
hm ok
lyric oriole
Only thing type 58 does worse is Marginally worse gun handling and worse Penetration
crude gorge
i guess mobility too, t-34-85 is slightly slower but it has better hp/t
lyric oriole
Lt Vz. 38 is better than Pz 38 T in every manner but marginal penetration and dispersion values.
I would also like to point my out that Lt. Is a tier 2 and 38 T is a tier 3
crude gorge
yeah pretty strange but ok
bright folio
Hmmm.
lyric oriole
D2 vs. Pz. S35 was close wat first but then it was a lot faster than D2
bright folio
Pz. B2 vs B1?
solid gate
Getting frustrated on tier 8 Jgtiger 8.8 it doesn't comply with any tier 8 or lower tanks. The level 6 TD tanks are even better.That tank is really a gold burner.
calm inlet
hm?
turned out to be a decent purchase for me. turretless Lowe basically, with a much faster ROF
solid gate
Even level 5 nightmare is making almost same level damage as this Jgtiger 8.8 feels a bit silly to put 7500 gold on this thing.
rigid thunder
The jagdtiger 88 is best when using the 105, 310 alpha with a really high dpm
hollow moth
And better penetration than 8,8cm pak
solid gate
Quick question bois
Im f2p, I sit on 9.5k gold right now, should I go for the mod1 or wait for any type 59 sale?
I love my t54 and Im a mediocre player (55% wr and 1k avg in history, 62 and 1.6k in the last 30 days)
real vapor
Ye boi
bright folio
@solid gate That's not mediocre, despite what some of the elitists around here may lead you to believe.
raven spade
Are they going to bring polish and Swedish heavies by any chance?
I love them
Or Swedish td's
bright folio
I don't know. I'd be willing to assume that the pan-European tree may likely contain one of those lines, however.
bright folio
As for swedish tds, wg said that they have some reason why they aren't being added.
raven spade
Or 60 TP Lewandowskeigo? Which one do ya prefer most
rigid thunder
It'd be better if we didn't just get a flat out better E-100
raven spade
They are not bringing the Swedish td' s cause their mechanism is too complex in mobiles
The "Siege mode"
Or they coud bring the arties by increasing their hp
And armour
bright folio
Nope.
raven spade
Why?
bright folio
That's probably the least likely to happen.
raven spade
Why?
Cause the maps are too small?
Or their dmg is great?
Think positive
They can at least introduce the "Czech" tanks?
bright folio
That might happen.
raven spade
Skoda t25 and party?
bright folio
I'm fairly sure that we'll get a Polish, Swedish, and Finnish line.
bright folio
I figured that we'll get those because we already have tanks from those nations.
raven spade
I meant different types of tanks eg. Td' s , heavys and meds
Regret that?
My country has only developed " one single " tank!
spark basin
unlikely
bright folio
I'm legit curious to see what Finnish tanks would be.
solid gate
New tech tree
raven spade
Which?
bright folio
?
raven spade
Which nation?
solid gate
România
raven spade
Wtf
solid gate
Mod
bright folio
???
raven spade
Really dude!!!
bright folio
I'd rather them work on Japanese tds.
solid gate
MARESALUL tank
raven spade
Ho Ri 2? They're badass
solid gate
Bizon
bright folio
?
solid gate
Bizon tank românia
solid gate
Ok
raven spade
Are u from Romania?
solid gate
Yes
raven spade
I'm from india
solid gate
Ok
raven spade
I'm sorry for u but romanian tanks will not be launched by wargaming
solid gate
Why
raven spade
Cause nobody has ever talked about it
solid gate
War world 2 romania fight rusia
raven spade
But first, If any Wg official is listening I pls request to look into the matter and test the "Czech tanks".
solid gate
No
raven spade
They're fashionable and popular
What else do u expect
I didn't even knew that rominia had tanks!
solid gate
Yes
solid gate
Tacam T60
raven spade
Which type?
solid gate
Destroyer
solid gate
Tacam is kill is 7
solid gate
10
raven spade
Ok bye.....
solid gate
Bye
royal charm
Serious question, why do some people think Tog is bad?
proven jasper
slow, cant pen(from the enemy side?) annoying
royal charm
Whut the cannon is great, I always outtrade my opponents in fights
proven jasper
tog is not so bad... its strong but too slow. the gun is excellent
u can rely on it
proven jasper
yup. better than the arl,m6, churchill, etc..
should i go for the t54 or wait for the new tier 9 US atgm?
royal charm
You should grind enough xp to have for both of them
proven jasper
i have 120k
royal charm
Keep grinding then
proven jasper
the problem is that t49 is a top tier cowdung
i miss shots at 1m
srsly?HE shells that too 1m(face to face or side)
royal charm
Thats what u get for not embracing capitalist freedom
solid gate
T54 mod1 VS Chieftain T/95
İts not 1v1
Wich one better
narrow shadow
If you really have to ask yourself this question you maybe shouldnt get a T8 prem just yet😅
solid gate
@narrow shadow why
narrow shadow
Because it's so obvious you should know the answer
solid gate
Nope ı dont know answer its too hard @narrow shadow
solid gate
how do i play and use the tortoise i feel like its such a bad tank
solid gate
I think u should play in back of the heavies
torn sierra
What is best t10 enter
-badger
-30b
-t22
-t95e6
narrow shadow
t22
solid gate
T22 is overrated
bright folio
From the opinion of someone who has none of those tanks, and no tier 10 tanks, the T-22 is the best.
hoary kraken
ok there is one conclusion plz WG plz buff WZ-120-1G-FTs armour to 180 or 150 mm
solid gate
Because I just told you not to.
torn sierra
@bright folio i have all t10 no prem + m60 and chieftain
bright folio
@torn sierra and...
What did your garage have to do with anything? I simply gave you my crappy opinion and then some reasons to call my opinion crappy.
bright folio
I never said anything about being easy to play.
solid gate
@solid gate this place for discuss vehicles
Correct. Discussing vehicles ≠ comparing them to diseases.
The fact that you still don't realise how wrong what you did is is just sad
solid trench
Which tank will come first to the store? Chieftain mk6 or Kpf 70
neat nimbus
this camo looks decent
marble stone
Yo I never knew should I get it?
solid gate
Nope it’s a pain to grind
tame hill
They should bring back the Mk.I Heavy Tank for fun
alpine notch
@marble stone You should have collect those Exp for Sheridan lines next update, instead of spending it to T54E1 (is rather pointless by now, unless if you came from T69)
shrewd basalt
Is Standard B good ?
karmic field
Standard B
is beyond good. That thing's broken af right now. Get it and abuse the winrate boosting now while you can
elfin meadow