Nowhere did I say that the WZ-111-5A is definitely coming to Blitz. As aforesaid, an opinion on what would happen if so.
#vehicles-discussion
idle gull
raven jacinth
Cupola is huge,
idle gull
That is a weakspot on the WZ-111 1-4 as well
wise moth
Like I said, it's essentially just the tier 9, but they upgraded the DPM massively, and gave it more gun depression
idle gull
Plus slightly better armour for hull down.
raven jacinth
gun mantlet seems weak
if you can pen through the gun manlet than what's the point of going hulldown
wise moth
@raven jacinth This is the PC armor model vs. IS-7 APCR shells
idle gull
^
If you are fighting close range, then the mantlet MIGHT get penetrated. However, in distant battles it is hard to hit, especially when you fight tanks whose gun accuracies are subpar.
idle gull
Against E100s I'd be worried. Otherwise, not as much.
idle gull
@raven jacinth
On paper, yes. In pratical, it is difficult if you hug your opponent and make small movements.
idle gull
That's the IS-4. We are talking about the WZ-111-5A.
raven jacinth
they can shoot the roof
of the hull
or the drivers "hatch"
I'm talking about the WZ-111
idle gull
IS-4 against a 5A?
idle gull
Like I said, on paper it sounds like the 5A will do badly. In practical results will differ.
People say that the Foch 155's cupola is too big of a weak spot to make the tank enjoyable, but it is quite difficult to hit, since you may target the wrong area, either because of dispersion, or the tank operator was moving back and forth, etc.
raven jacinth
it's not that hard to hit tho
idle gull
It all comes down to who drives the tank.
raven jacinth
yeah, it's all about the driver, but a shooter who is skilled sharpshooter?
idle gull
@raven jacinth
You forgot two outcomes: better driver or equally matched. 2/3
raven jacinth
you seemed... biased....
wise valley
Cool @viral lodge if u ever need a platoon mate u can dm
idle gull
I am being practical by considering all possibilities, rather than looking at it from the statistics page and making a judgement from there.
I don't see cupolas as weak spots unless they really cripple the tank. For the 5A, it does not.
raven jacinth
well yeah, it's thin, it's gonna be hard to hit it from a distance.
viral lodge
@wise valley Thanks for the offer, right now im focusing on getting all my tanks to tier 6, once im there ill then probably start doing platoons.
idle gull
In other news, Merciless-Sniper-1 is at large, on a 50 tank killing spree.
raven jacinth
kills on tier 1's ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wise valley
I mean I got low tiers too lol but whatever u need to do 👌
Kills at tier 1 u count by the dozens
plucky summit
MS-1, nerfed, for 500 gold available, now, please 😭
tribal ledge
valid lodge
Same
rain copper
Give Pz. II J to the shop pls
wise valley
what gross
rain copper
U r gross
plucky summit
I’d have MS-1 for sentimental purposes 😂
obsidian snow
Am i the only one struggling with the t9 amx 50 foch?
deft spade
Buff Vk45 02B for armor not strong enough than other tier 8 heavys
Or it should be more effective when you give an angle.
And why isn't there a tier 9 gun in that tank? Interesting
plucky summit
You mean VK 45.02 A? Play it like a medium, or well, with the mediums
plucky summit
You’re more armored generally, the turret can troll some of em
deft spade
I actually hate that tank. My victory rate is very low, bad players with that tank, bad teams etc.
But he doesn't have armor.
plucky summit
Not against high penners of course, u fighting heavies?
rose venture
plucky summit
Yup, can’t dump as fast as u could after it does
bright folio
Is the Ferdinand worth the grind?
bright folio
I have 120k Xp on the Jagdtiger.
I’m wondering if I should grind the elefant for TD player purposes.
dusky linden
Idk
dusky tendon
plucky summit
It’s not broken...?
wise valley
he's talking about pre nerf a20 as a premium
plucky summit
Fair enough, but we can consider it an A-32
wise valley
A-02, the reverse card
main glacier
plucky summit
No, MS-1 😂
serene yarrow
MS-1 would be better
fluid parrot
I want the little ISU-57
dusky linden
Yes lol
hybrid gull
Should STB-1 be replaced with Type 74 , with a .5-6 sec reload time lower than the STB-? I feel like type 74 is more refined of the 2
stb-1 reload with rammer is like 6.8
type 74 should be like 5.8
lyric oriole
Interesting that you know the stats of a vehicle not in game.
STB-1 is getting and Armor buff so its more HE resilient. And it already has good Gun Depression and View range, the ROF is a balancing point
surreal haven
bring back all tanks instead
calm inlet
@hybrid gull do you understand how balance works at all?
wintry badger
@fluid parrot
glass crypt
wait, now that i think about it, wouldnt the HE nerf on the kv2 make people want to seal club with it more rather than have regular matches :/
isn't this making the initial problem worse and overall hindering the vehicles performance at its initial tier
i haven't really been following this update so sorry if this has already been addressed before
wintry badger
Lets get some physics in this game!
(Ex: flipping over, tank on top of tank, etc)
glass crypt
oh and shouldn't the AP get nerfed instead? since u have a chance to survive the HE shell in lets say a crusader, while most t5 tanks have around 100mm~ and 650~ hp while the kv's AP deals on average 680 :/
and almost always pens.
zealous anchor
I fear that the Foch may become extremely strong in 6.2
wise valley
7 second reload between shots tho so not a clip god but will definitely be strong with that alpha
hybrid gull
balance is shot to hell in wg
regal zealot
STB-1 is essentially a prototype Type 74.
We don’t need to replace the STB-1 with it if they just play too similarly
solid gate
Upon the release of 6.2 STB will be stronger than Patton and 140 in terms of hull down
Only weakness on STB turret after buff is gonna be its cheeks, which are extremely small thus rendering the huge cheeks on the Patton inferior to that of the STB. Not to mention STB has better view range, gun depression, camo, lower silhouette, DPM, accuracy, speed, agility... so in all aspects it’s a better tank now. Only thing holding STB back in previous patches was its unreliable turret compared to Patton
@regal zealot @hybrid gull
regal zealot
That I know, just saying that the Type 74 is pretty much a production STB-1
zealous anchor
Is Type 74 on PC
thick trout
@wise valley it will have a clip as well as better dpm than the normal gun. There will be 0 reason to play the single shot and it is just a completely unbalanced idea.
@glass crypt KV2s alpha with AP is 640🤦 and the HE has stupid pen at tier 6
glass crypt
huh
sorry about that i just checked it, from my experience ive rarely dipped below 650, but i understand the HE is a problem, im just pointing out that AP is an even more of a problem and has been overlooked quite a bit.
solid gate
We need Japanese destroyer
glass crypt
also for most t6 heavy's the -HE pen mod and 4% more armor mod usually do the trick to save u from being one shot half of the time
hallow void
To above: STB-1 is a version of Type 74....
dapper salmon
Is it just me or does the type 59 have bad penetration. It's so irretating. I only see red
hushed shadow
@glass crypt You do know what the armor equipment really improves on the tank, right?
glass crypt
not really, 4% aint much, but when i angle the kv2's turret a bit i survive most he shells
if that was a sarcastic question please do let me know what i understood wrong
hushed shadow
It improves armor homogenization by 4%. I think it’s something like armor quality, a hidden value.
zinc condor
How to play Hellcat
hushed shadow
Paper armor so don’t expose yourself to hits
hollow belfry
I just saw in the last WoTB video on YT that the 10.5 Cm K.w.K L/52 will be buffed on the next update. That's very good for german tanks drivers.
regal zealot
Yep, from 200mm to 215mm of AP pen
snow galleon
Sweden should be next for the eu tree. Specifically the Stridsvagen 103 B
hushed shadow
That’d require the siege mode to be added, which reduces the chances it will be added
zealous anchor
It’s possible when they said they will gradually add new game mechanics, we already see this in the Italians and the new FL10 thing
hushed shadow
The siege mode has a visual aspect too, right?
limber dawn
why is the reload of 122mm gun on KV1s so long it was faster before update 5.9
zealous anchor
Yea it takes time to work things out maybe that's why the Italians came first
chilly cargo
I thought new tanks were comming this update
thick trout
@chilly cargo the new line was never expected to come out this update.6.3 or 6.4 is the most likely
chilly cargo
Ok cool thank you
dusk furnace
We need sweden
thick trout
Hmm let me just think abo-NO
hybrid gull
lmaoo rite
apfsds would rlly piss off alot of people
last thing we need is a t-10m
fluid parrot
Composite armor will piss off alot of people
hybrid gull
that too
fluid parrot
ATGM also
tulip sail
We already have cold war tanks aswell
rotund skiff
^^^ Think IS-7, IS-4, etc.
hollow belfry
Idk. But im also interested
flint eagle
What about tier 1 infantry? I kinda wanted that April fools joke from a few years ago. 1 hp and throw grenades. Lol
solid gate
Who need T-100 light? 😁
hollow moth
Nobody:
Just nobody:
No one:
WG: LeT's NeRf Kv BoYs
wise valley
Just no one wants to nerf the kvs
Say that again commander
hollow moth
Only WG guys want to nerf kvs, and they are the same who think smasher were a good idea
thick trout
Many many many othet people want the KV1 and KV2 nerfed
hollow moth
Puff, every tier 5 tank already can penetrate it's weak spot, the turred need to stay strong and the cannon don't make 200 dmg every sec
It's already too slow but i think if it's no nerf kv-1, need to nerf his turret transverse speed and the track's armor
Kv-2 already have 20 secs of reload, ultra bad speed, ultra bad aim and it's armor is not so useful in that tier
For finish it, they already "nerfed" the HE shells of cannons bigger than 130mm in tier 6
hybrid gull
is panther good
ive already researched every thing with free xp
im thinking to get it
wise valley
No kv-1 was a seal clubber prime choice with the gun and the armor. Imagine 55% ers going back to side scrape in that monster again new players. Yeah it needed a nerf and that’s coming from someone who loved seal clubbing in it
Kv-2 has already been discussed in this discord throughly so I don’t care to explain but basically the one shots now happen less frequently and take more skill
hollow moth
@wise valley so let's nerf KV-220 T, nerf PZ 4, nerf T14, nerf SU-100Y, PZ-4 S, nerf all tier 1-6 favorite ranks of the community, because most of the players with that tank are seal clubbers
thick trout
KV1 and KV2 are both used by sealclubbers. KV1 has armour that is way too good, and people at tier 5 cannot aim. It also has a very punishing gun with high alpha. It is slow but it obliterates basically any tank it comes up against
PZ4 has already been nerfed 🤦
KV220 needs a nerf too but WG cannot see that. T14 , su100y and pz4s are good but balenced
wise valley
Dude if u played the game long enough you would understand these choices of nerf simple as that
nova solar
@hollow moth i lost braincells with that comment,sry bro
wise valley
Su-100y is free xp too
hollow moth
I have almost 8k battles and 52% victories, caught that tanks alone and you kill they easy
wise valley
Then why do we need to explain fam or u just that biased in the Soviets
I mean that prob get u a job at wargaming so there’s that
hollow moth
Just let bias alone guy, that's what anti bias guys say
They aren't op, they are realistic🤣
wise valley
🤦
nova solar
@hollow moth if you want realistic go to war thunder and dont cry here,just saying
Blitz is a mobile arcade game,no realism, just fun
wise valley
I mean if u know the history behind the kolonanovs medal, they’re pretty sturdy
nova solar
Yes but theyre too good in blitz cause they dont meet tiger 2s,the only high pen tank they meet is arl44 (if im correct) @hollow moth especially kv1
And remeber not everyone at lower tiers are not from pramo or rgn so they have to nerrf kv1 for the better,ive played kv1 and its too good
If youre going cry still,just sidescrape,its called using the brain that god gave you
hollow moth
Well, so explain why people still penetrating kv-1 with side scrape too?
Need a town city and use the buids
Or something useful for it
Clear maps make sad heavy tanks
nova solar
@hollow moth because they know the weakspot,why are you still crying,remeber not everyone will know kv1 weakspot like any good plauer would,theyve just started the game? Oh its because you want to still club the seals maybe?
@hollow moth evry heard of hull down?
thick trout
KV1 can bounce almost everything, especially at tier 5. If a playerbase with an average of 48% can get 56% WR in a tech tree tier 5 then it is definitely way too good
nova solar
This tells how much knowledge you jave about heavy tanks
If you cant sidescrape,hulldown
hollow moth
@nova solar actually everyone know his weak spot and try to do hull down on flat maps, you just can't, now you is crying
Is there, where isn't red, is penetrable
They said it on tutorial
rotund skiff
Good job, you know basic in-game mechanics. Unfortunately, 75% of the playerbase does not.
wise valley
Dude new players can barely shoot and drive at the same time
nova solar
@rotund skiff thank you
That what im trying to say not everyone will understand the game mechanics immediately so theyll get rekt by kv1
viral lodge
I tried to teach my mom to play and she thought red meant weak spot
hollow moth
@rotund skiff i learned it before 1k battles killing kv-1, kv-2 with other weak tanks, i died too by kv-1 too but i learned how to hit and kill it
viral lodge
KV-2 100% needed a nerf
nova solar
@hollow moth good but 80% of the playerbase cant
hollow moth
I learned withthe death in that game
nova solar
All wouldnt have been needed if they spit out torturials of this
viral lodge
Let me put it this way, KV-2 could 1 shot most lights and mediums tier 5
rotund skiff
Dude, you're missing the point. @hollow moth 75% of the playerbase can't breathe and think at the same time. how do you expect them to learn?
wise valley
How is this still going? 😫
viral lodge
^
hollow moth
@viral lodge i understand totaly the nerf on kv-2 it was funny play with it but nerf kv-1, i didn't like
nova solar
@rotund skiff exactly
nova solar
@hollow moth dude kv1 so much needed a neef badly,everything will bounce cause most players at the lower tier arent as good as you
rotund skiff
How many people do you think know about the upper deck without some friendly guy in chat saying to shoot it? Especially because only high-pen tier 4s can actually pen it? Or the rectangle on the bottom plate, also only tier 5s or tier 4 tds can pen it? @hollow moth
viral lodge
KV-1 is OP vs tier 4, end of story
rotund skiff
^^^
Put it like this: your side armor and rear armor are about the thickness of some Tier 4 front plates.
wise valley
Then they’re angled
nova solar
Brazil4n everyone is trying to point out that tier 4s will always get rekt by the kv1,youre only being considerate for yourself,and not the plauer base down at lower plate,its disgusts me
viral lodge
Basically sums the argument up ^
hollow moth
@rotund skiff 75% of player base is too much, it's for 40% players, you is crying because 56% players are playing with it but they can and it's a free real state
About tier 4, it's the favorite heavy tank on tier 5 with a high armor, what do you want about it? Make everyone kill a kv-1 only because it's too good?
rotund skiff
You're again missing the point. I don't have problems with it, it's the 75% that do. And the 75% have wallets.
viral lodge
KV-1 will still be a good tank post nerf...
nova solar
Sigh he dowsnt get the point
wise valley
The side nerf ensures that lower tiers or new players have a chance to win. A good player kv will still have the front to deflect shells honestly the armor nerf isn’t even that bad. The dpm nerf hit me harder
rotund skiff
You can still sidescrape effectively in it. It's to allow people to pen the sides when you're FLAT ON to them.
viral lodge
^
hollow moth
@wise valley side nerf it's ok, nerf 10mm is good but nerd cannon, nerf armor and other things? Come on it's the favorite tank of the tier 5
viral lodge
For example, A-20 can’t to anything to KV-1 pre nerf
nova solar
Good do you get the point now? @hollow moth
rotund skiff
@hollow moth People like over powered tanks. You saying it's the favorite of many only proves my point. It's the ultimate sealclubber's wet fantasy.
nova solar
Yes why do think everyone likes the tiger p?
rotund skiff
As @viral lodge said, i'm just a slow typer
hollow moth
So why not nerf B1 too? Why not nerf matilda? They have a nice armor and hard to pen, seal clubbers like me love to play with it and no one is talking about it
viral lodge
Cause they aren’t as powerful...
wise valley
Low alpha put the pieces together kv got too many things going for it at the same time
viral lodge
I can kill A Matilda in a tier 3
nova solar
@hollow moth cause b1 has a dodo gun and matilda,you could just ezly trade shots
thick trout
@hollow moth if you are a sealclubber then your opinion should mever be considered in balencing, so i suggest finding your own sealclubbing discord and complaining there
rotund skiff
Seriously, if you don't get the point then I'll include you in the 75% @hollow moth . The KV-1 is TOO POWERFUL . You have a tank with ridiculous armor, a TD-level gun, and aren't paying too much in terms of mobility
hollow moth
Lol 5 guys vs 1
nova solar
Do you know how play the game? Or are you just trying to sound reasonable
wise valley
Nah seal clubbers have a voice u just need to acknowledge the needs of the clubbed
rotund skiff
Then carry in your KV1, sealclubber. 5v1 is nothing.
viral lodge
@hollow moth it’s because you are on the wrong side
Simple as that
rotund skiff
^^^
thick trout
Sealclubbers do not deserve a voice, they ruin the game for everyone and we dont want them to ruin balence as well
nova solar
I guess god didnt give @hollow moth a brain.....press E in the chat
hollow moth
Seriously? It's a free real state, i can be how much sela clubber i want because i pay with the credits and i can, you want less seal clubbers? Make wg stop to sell lower tier for othwr players,
viral lodge
How about you just accept the nerf and stop complaining?
wise moth
^
nova solar
@hollow moth youre probably a very inconsiderate selaclubber who thinks of himself out of all things. Wg nerf kv1
thick trout
@hollow moth sealclubbing has no defence. You ruin the game for everyone. We should never have to adapt the game to your wants.
rotund skiff
@hollow moth Stop complaining about it. People have been whining about Arty in WoT PC for YEARS, and it hasn't been removed.
wise valley
Seal clubbing is fun lmao just don’t balance buffs to tanks around it
viral lodge
^^
nova solar
Seal clubber who sont want to nerf kv1 shouldnt have dodo to say,like come on man comparing b1 to kv1 is just.....
rotund skiff
Sealclubbing is fine, but if you sealclub don't ask for selfish buffs.
thick trout
Sealclubbing should not be fun, that is the issue
hollow moth
@thick trout so make me stop to buy a tier 1 right now and play with it, if seal clubbing is so bad
thick trout
Sealclubbing is not fine, it ruins new players games and then higher tiers when they emerge from their safe space where they can pretend they are good
rotund skiff
@hollow moth If you truly sealclub, then the nerfs won't affect you much because you should be sidescraping anyways. Plus, you're still missing the point.
nova solar
Ikr
rotund skiff
@thick trout What do you think the new MM system is for? 🤔
hollow moth
Oof, you can't because it's A FREE REAL STATE, MY MONEY MY RULES
nova solar
He doesnt know how to sidescrape
rotund skiff
Lmao
thick trout
@rotund skiff the new system will not help, they will just play low tiers to get good stats then ruin 5 or 6 high tier games then go back down
nova solar
@hollow moth well the game was by war gaming so,war gaming money,war gaming rules,end of story
hollow moth
@nova solar actually i know but tier 5 tanks still penetrating
civic fiber
Could anyone remind me how much credits does it costs to fully upgrade a tier 10 tank's equipments?
nova solar
@hollow moth if you know the weakspot and can actually aim,kn which most lower tiers cant do
viral lodge
I know that when I was new I counted the amount of Kv-1 tanks per team
nova solar
@civic fiber probably a million or two
rotund skiff
^^^. I would guess 1.2m
wise valley
Ur assuming every seal clubber is just bad and needs to inflate his ego. Sounds like a personal thing really. It’s more like casual messing around. I mean even quickybaby does it
Just got to clean urself in the shower afterwards
civic fiber
@rotund skiff are you sure about 1.2M ? Seems a bit low
viral lodge
I don’t mind skilled players playing low tier, but skilled players playing OP tanks? That’s bad.
rotund skiff
@civic fiber Sorry, I'm braindead. 1.8 probably
hollow moth
@nova solar actually i gave money for a service and who gib the service NEED to give this, there is no rules in the gane for seal clubbing so I'm free and ok for do it
rotund skiff
Okay guys, let people play what they want to play.
nova solar
@civic fiber lets just say that its hella expensive
thick trout
The occasional game is not sealclubbing. Playing consistent games is. This basically only happens if you cannot win at higher tiers because you cannot learn and so you go down tiers until you play with othet people that cant win
civic fiber
@rotund skiff basically I want an accurate number
viral lodge
Seal club is fine, seal club in heavy armor high alpha tank? Not fine.
nova solar
@rotund skiff yeah and nerf kv1
wise valley
Seal clubbing ain’t going to stop. The best we can do is balance to weed it out more and help teach new players to play
viral lodge
I just watched an AT2 lose in a 1v1 vs a S35 .-.
wise valley
And stop selling pz 2 Js that’s just gross
thick trout
The best way to stop sealclubbers is to make the lower tiers balenced and by having decent tutorials.
wise valley
Decent tutorials yeah ping wg then
viral lodge
^ therefore the nerf
nova solar
Guys lets just say that hardcore seal clubbers are player who dont know how to play the game and are whining bout their best seal clubbing tank being nerfed
viral lodge
^
hollow moth
@thick trout i have an obj 268, jadgtiger, trying to get jageroo, already have full T28, Full ferd and Full ISU-152, i just seal clube because i can and again, IT'S A FREE REAL STATE
thick trout
WG never respond to pings unless its about tournaments. Even in the chat with devs channel
rotund skiff
The whole point of this wasn't sealclubbing, it was the stupid KV-1, and the fact that @hollow moth is still whining.
viral lodge
^
thick trout
@hollow moth this is exactly the kind of selfish thoughts that ruin the game.
viral lodge
^
wise valley
I was joking u dolt. Anyways just drop it everyone this isn’t worth our time
nova solar
Yes
wise valley
U chief wanna platoon I’ll help u get to tier 6
viral lodge
Sure, let me finish my battle.
hollow moth
@thick trout thx, but without seal clubbers, no players fighting in low tiers, a little bit players are real new guys
rotund skiff
He's still going on about that lmao
thick trout
That does not make any sense whatsoever 🤦
rotund skiff
He is a kid. Didn't you hear him? "I have full ISU-152 and Ferdinand" lmao anybody can fail to a higher tier, just play enough or throw enough money at wargaming
wise valley
dude low tier queues would dry like the lips on an african child if only new players ever played
rotund skiff
oof
thick trout
Not true at all, there are many new players, and there would be more without sealclubbers
hushed shadow
Okay...
nova solar
@thick trout tru
rotund skiff
@thick trout No matter what, every player will sealclub unless they're willing to spend free XP.
hollow moth
@nova solar i have 16 years old, i already work and don't play fortnite too, i use my free money for use i what i want because it's my, and only because a lot of guys are talking "you is seal clubber" I'm going to buy the next low tier tank in the store
thick trout
No they will not, there are so many ways to not sealclub. Its not hard. @rotund skiff
viral lodge
@wise valley btw finished my round.
nova solar
Wg has to implement some form of hiderence to selavlubber so that new playets wont get rekt by them and theyll free enjoy the game
wise valley
alright let me add u
rotund skiff
Sure, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. But KV-1 is still being nerfed @hollow moth
viral lodge
^
wise valley
@viral lodge ill be in platoon 2
rotund skiff
@thick trout Every line starts at tier 1. if you want to get a new line, you're going to have to sealclub a bit or spend fxp.
wise valley
whats ur tanker name
hollow moth
@rotund skiff thx, and only moderators will stop me to think "i didn't like kv-1 nerf"
rotund skiff
Sure, nobody is forcing you to like it.
viral lodge
@wise valley same as my nickname, and do you mind if I don’t talk?
nova solar
@hollow moth no the point is that you are not being thoughful from the new players point of view cause when they see a kv1 theyll be like ah sh** here we go again
thick trout
@rotund skiff sealclubbing is not spending 20 battles below tier 4, it is consistently ruining other peoples game.
wise valley
dude u can hate it all u want with ur 16 year old self alone but it aint going to change the nerf
hollow moth
@rotund skiff so why people is saying "you is a trash seal clubber" if nobody want to stop me?
nova solar
@hollow moth no the point is that you are not being thoughful from the new players point of view cause when they see a kv1 theyll be like ah sh** here we go again
hushed shadow
If you sealclub enough in 6.2, you could give some people terrible matches in a row, and they’ll go off to the newbie mm and have good battles
wise valley
hence new mm
thick trout
@hollow moth the only person that can stop you is you or a WG employee. You need to relise that you are being selfish, and you need to actually think about other people
hollow moth
@nova solar ok, but nobody is forcing me like this nerf and stop seal clubbing
viral lodge
No one is saying stop seal clubbing
thick trout
Yes i am
hushed shadow
@hollow moth Rn, the nerf is going to happen. Trying to change anyone’s mind about it won’t happen
wise valley
dude no one ducking cares what u do, just know that your opinion holds no water and aint going to change things
nova solar
@hushed shadow ueah what wg did to the mm in 6.2 was great,now seal clubbers would have longer quwues and would meet better players
hollow moth
@thick trout yes they can't stop me but I'm noot breaking any rule in the game
thick trout
Stop sealclubbing, it is horrible for the game and it ruins other peoples experience
nova solar
@hollow moth ah so you are a seal clubber....pathetic
hushed shadow
It’s fun tho
hollow moth
@wise valley ok, but i still can thinking "i didn't like it"
rotund skiff
@thick trout If he wants to be a scumbag, let him be. He's going to meet other sealclubbers with the new MM anyways.
hollow moth
@nova solar @thick trout make me stop if you don't like it
thick trout
If he wants to be a sealclubber i have every right to try and change his mind. He is the one who is completely inconsiderate and selfish and apparently he wont change that.
rotund skiff
@hollow moth Dude. Nobody is forcing you to like it. Wargaming doesn't give a crap about what you like, they're nerfing the KV-1. Effective today.
hollow moth
@nova solar @thick trout ok, but now I'm playing with pz 2, wait a little
hushed shadow
Ok
rotund skiff
You have the right to do so @thick trout , but he has the right to not care and consistently refuse anything you say without once considering anyone else. I'm just recommending you let him be, because it's a waste of your time.
nova solar
The update is today?
rotund skiff
Yes
hollow moth
Wow so early
nova solar
Finally new MM
rotund skiff
Check #game-status-upd
thick trout
This is exactly what is wrong with the gamw and honestly the world. You always get some selfish people who cant use their brains to think of others or the greater good.
rotund skiff
@thick trout Welcome to humanity in general, you must be new here.
nova solar
@rotund skiff thx,now my tier 10 game would feel less like a 1v7
hollow moth
@thick trout i have the right of play with low tiers shut up
rotund skiff
yes, we get it, now stop throwing and focus on your game @hollow moth . the time you spend on discord is time you're afk
thick trout
@hollow moth yes you do, you also have the ability to actually think about other people. You can do one or the other, try choosing the right option.
hollow moth
@rotund skiff actually all the team were in different sides and i found 6 enemies...
hushed shadow
You could’ve played some battles in all this time... @hollow moth
rotund skiff
good for you man.
@nova solar The update is coming in about 30 minutes. Activate your prem certificates (9h +) if you want free premium.
hollow moth
I just have the right for think "i didn't like kv-1 nerf", i have the right for be seal clubber and i have the right for have my opinion, so who don't like seal clubbers, IT'S A FREE REAL STATE
hushed shadow
What country is this free state in?
rotund skiff
It's a free real state, it's called Kekistan! (dont ban me mods plz)
Dude, nobody cares at this point @hollow moth , you've repeated the same thing like 10 times now. KV-1 is happening whether or not you like it.
thick trout
I also have perfect ability to go and do a school shooting because I think it will be fun. Who cares about the people I am killing right? Start listening to what you are saying and think about what sort of person that males you @hollow moth
rotund skiff
I swear that he has "it's a free real state" copypasted, that seems to be the only thing he can say ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hushed shadow
He is telling us his rights now
rotund skiff
The constitutional rights of the FREE REAL STATE of Brazil14n.
rotund skiff
lol
nova solar
Now ill get 17 hours of free premium time,thanks man
rotund skiff
@nova solar the update gives you 24hrs of prem?
nova solar
Idk but it gives you extra prem so activate it now
rotund skiff
No, it does, but i'm confused why you said 17 hrs free prem @nova solar
And I still have some prem time from Bromwell bundle
hollow moth
@thick trout lol, compare a school shooter with a game is totally good👍 they are the same so who cares
Play at low tier and kill kids with guns look like a lot
Irony
rotund skiff
@hollow moth Are you seriously still talking about this? that was like 15 mins ago
nova solar
@rotund skiff wait it gives you the addition premium to make it 1 day or will give you 1 day of prem flat
rotund skiff
@nova solar Additional 1 day of premium.
nova solar
Noice
hollow moth
A took a shower and he was talking to me, i can do this so i will do it @rotund skiff
rotund skiff
Otherwise, I'd be really mad, because I have about 3 days of prem left
Alright man, you do you @hollow moth
nova solar
@hollow moth dude i can troll you hard if i want to,stop
thick trout
@hollow moth it is the same concept, you not caring about other people
hollow moth
@nova solar ok troll me, but if a mod see any offenses they will give you a kick or something else
@thick trout seal clubbing is care with you but when you win, all the team wins too👍
nova solar
Its not the mods problem so why would they ban me? Huh? Its not in their servers. Duh?
thick trout
Again that makes 0 sense whatsoever
viral lodge
7 win 7 lose
thick trout
Oh ok
nova solar
@hollow moth you wait,ill troll you eventually
viral lodge
That is how it works
thick trout
The 7 that win will not have had a good game, and will not get the same amount of xp or damage they should have. The 7 that lose will have had their game ruined and will likely stop playing
hollow moth
@thick trout it makes 100% sense, always the someone lose but if your team lose it's good for enemy team, if you win, all your team win too, 7 guys will lose and 7 guys will win
thick trout
"it makes 100% sense... Always the someone lose" 🤦
viral lodge
Really only the seal clubber wins
hollow moth
No, everyone at the team win, but the difference is, you will get more dmg because you know the game engines
viral lodge
Damage = credits and research
thick trout
You will get more damage because you are pretending you are good because you are killing noobs*
viral lodge
So loss for teammates
thick trout
^ exactly
hollow moth
@thick trout @viral lodge a they will make some dmg and do something (if it's not afk) but the seal clubber will get more
viral lodge
Except the seal clubber doesn’t need it, now this is. No longer about the KV-1 so do it in DMs or #general-blitz-discussion
thick trout
The teammates will do less damage because the sealclubber is ruining their game as well. They will do worse and wilk not learn as well
hollow moth
Yes, let's go to that channel, it's not about kv-1 now
still jacinth
the stb 1 will have finally gut frontal armor after buff? or less but still trash?
thick trout
Stb will have much stronger turret and upper hull so it will be almost unbeatable hulldown
still jacinth
frontal turret too? or tds could penetrate it?
hushed shadow
Side will be buffed so HE can’t really be used on the sides
thick trout
Cheeks are still tiny and well armoured @still jacinth
still jacinth
hmmm hull is not that important than frontal turret... this tank has -10 gun depression and frontal hull will do big work while using terrain, but turret?
bright folio
Maybe the STB buff will make my Chi-to grind worth it.
night citrus
so STB can finally ridge fight?
still jacinth
soo... stb 1 got behind gun mautlet 100mm of armor, bonus 16mm (132mm) on front of gun mautlet and bonus 13mm on the rest of the frontal turret (145mm) soo... on gun mautlet needs +300 of pen, immue to heat shells, roof and weakspots near gun mautlet will be harder to pen even with that brutal angled turret, soo... this turret will be as effective as t62a's but with more weakspots but -10 gun depression which allows to do more thinks
soo it can finally rival aggainst russian tier X meds 🤔
solid gate
Is Progetto 65 actually a premium/enriched tank or will it be a Tech tree one when European nation comes to Blitz? I see yellow tag when I meet it
still jacinth
in tech tree progetto will be
solid gate
So the yellow colour will be white as it should be?
still jacinth
and now is premium, only few players got this tank to test it in battles before it will be added to game as tech tree tank
solid gate
Very well, thanks for explanation
night citrus
when tanks are being tested, it will always be premium
wintry badger
I wonder if they will add the Progetto 46
fleet berryBOT
FURCHTLOS#3025 has been warned.
thick trout
IS4 is on the edge of being OP atm so get that
plucky summit
IS-7 is just a fast hulldown puncher, that’s kinda it
thick trout
IS4 is fast and has better turret armour 🤷
plucky summit
Well, IS-7 does have a small weakspot but both cheeks are both as hard to pen
thick trout
IS4 also has much stronger sides
plucky summit
By 10mm, but who shoots there? Russian side armor OP 😂
hollow notch
Is7 sides are easy pen
plucky summit
Most of the time
hollow notch
Always
You are trying to sidescrape? Let me give you a taste of AP straight through your drive wheel
plucky summit
Good players don’t show the wheel, and sometimes RNG takes it into the forbidden pen zone
hollow notch
If the is7 wants to shoot he will, or if he makes the side that flat I am putting an ap shell through the upper half of the tracks
plucky summit
Hush, don’t get the IS-7 back to prenerf 👀💧
hollow notch
Meh the armor I think was the same, it just had more speed that some mediums
raven jacinth
lol pre speed buff FV4202
glass crypt
on lttb gun or engine to research first? im kinda leaning towards getting the engine first since the gun doesn't give much of a boost, but i wanted a second opinion.
glass crypt
🤔
raven bridge
just go for engine simply put for the extra mobility
snow galleon
Or tracks, better aim time and increased effective power to weight ratio on different ground hardnesses
solid gate
Should I research the gun for the e 100
austere basin
of course
the top gun is tenfold better lol the stock gun is only the maus' gun. the 152mm is what makes it special
dense ice
Idk why but the E-100 is worse with the Maus gun than the Maus even though it's the same exact gun
plucky summit
The Maus turret is rear mounted allowing effective sidescraping, E100 is more complicated and can’t outtrade other heavies with Maus gun, which is why it has a 640 gun
dense ice
Pretty much what I figured
mental elbow
I believe the E100’s upgraded gun is a 150 mm gun right?
dense ice
152mm, yep
wintry badger
@dense ice @mental elbow It's a 15 cm, not a 150 or 152 mm. Get german right
fallow venture
I want them to add some weird boxy tank with a seriously large caliper just for the lols, something like 30cm and it shoots HESH
dense ice
SturmTiger lmao @fallow venture
fallow venture
That'd break the game @dense ice
fallow venture
That's crispy, hehe boi, @dense ice
dense ice
Very crispy
plucky robin
why was the foch buffed?
celest echo
is there any chance to change the fv4005 gun with the 183mm? i find out that the autoloadder a bit wrong to play in this tank
brave cargo
What day will the Italian tanks appear?
lunar acorn
Remove new foch gun asap every battle has at least 4 foches atm on na and its cancer
wise valley
cause it didnt have its autoloader kv2
plucky robin
sigh screw tier 10
dense ice
Everyone and their mother is using their Foch now
plucky robin
now to balance the obj 268 to the foch buff the dpm give it 2 shell and buff the hatch amour
wise valley
yo the new 105 gun for the germans feels so good now
plucky robin
and now u got to buff the rest of the tanks
wise valley
good dpm for the tiger 2 with almost as much pen as the top gun and the jpanther gets 215 pen now
just got a 2.7 k dmg game in the tigger 2
regal zealot
Caernarvon with tier IX HT HP lol
This is fine
Best DPM, best HP, decent armor and good mobility for HTs, what could go wrong?
plucky robin
honestly nothing was good about the updated not counting the map
regal zealot
The balance changes are good, save for the Foch 155’s clip reload, which is too fast
wise valley
improved low tier mid and high tier, nice wg
tho caernarvon provisions and consumables
im going start sweating bullets in my tier 8s and 7s
regal zealot
Rip
wise valley
Caernarvon’s upper plate was already strong against other tier 8 heavies now with that hp boost and consumables rip me
rancid mauve
Stock T54E1 is driving me up a wall!😩
wise valley
oof
shut coral
Let me ask something .-.
Why Premium HT tier 5 Excelsior isn't get any buff since mostly premium tank tier 5 has been buffed?
It's very long time no news from WG about its gun rebalance (both reload and/or penetration) to Excelsior
*still hoping for WG to notice this ;-;
faint lichen
Does personal clan supply level have to be Tier X for is-5 or just clan level period
crude gorge
both, your personal supply level must be x and the clan you are in must also collectively unlocked clan supply level x in order to buy the is-5
wintry badger
@crude gorge eeehhhh right
solid gate
@faint lichen both personal and clan supply needs to be t10
hollow belfry
I ammoracked a Jagdtiger from the front with my E50M. 1 HEAT shell besides the gun and Kaboom.
zealous anchor
Kaboom
solid gate
We should purge noobs who use ENGINE POWER as ADRENALINE
soft imp
Lol true story
raw raven
Has anyone played the Foch 155 since the update?
solid gate
Anyone know when the Swedish tanks will come to wotb?
snow galleon
Yes the strv will be in the game as well as the udes 15/16
raw raven
Should I buy the FV4202 or the Foch 155?
snow galleon
Foch, the fv is nicknamed the s**t barn
zealous anchor
It's the medium..
hushed shadow
STRV won’t come with the first EU line that they release @snow galleon
zealous anchor
Well he didn't say it will be first
hushed shadow
I didn’t say it would not be coming to the game
zealous anchor
?
hushed shadow
Edited
snow galleon
Italy is first
hushed shadow
Yep, but it has some Swedish tanks in the line
snow galleon
Yeah
zealous anchor
I just got mind bogggled
fluid parrot
Add the OTOMAT
rancid mauve
Vents or Calibrated Shells for T54E1?? Just played in a tier 10 game and was struggling a bit
short flame
vents are useless, always CS
amber iron
I've been saving up 120k free xp just for the italian tanks .-.
i wonder how far up the tech tree that will take me
frozen mural
Wy is is8 so bad ???
thick trout
Because you cant play it right?
frozen mural
Ok tanks👍
fallow venture
@frozen mural use the mobility, it's one of the fastest heavies
frozen mural
Yeah like a med think that kills me , i skip it with free xp en take is7
short flame
@fallow venture its actually the fastest tier 9 heavy
light blaze
the M4/FL10 still hasn’t shown up as a pop up yet for me.
I’m tempted to get the Cheftain Mk6 is it good?
zealous anchor
I would if I were you
whole iris
same aurocia and stock t54 light weight drives me crazy without top engine
solid gate
Pls don’t skip with free xp this is the whole reason why wargaming puts out trash tanks in a line. They want you to pay real money to skip those
dim sail
@short flame na the 50 120 is
wise valley
Fast frenchie autoloader
wise valley
Depends what do u like to have in a medium tank?
Damage, mobility, penetration, handling?
solid gate
Gun depression
strange gazelle
Damage, armor balance less mobility
solid gate
M48 line is all round good
gentle wasp
@strange gazelle yea patton line has tough armor and good guns
hollow moth
Pfff now i don't care with KV-1 nerf, now Stridsvagn 74A2 is my favorite tank
strange gazelle
Ok thx
wise valley
T20 is a bit of a hassle to get thru but the rest of the line is doable
gentle wasp
nah t20 is a good tank just a lot of better ones at t7/8
strange gazelle
The Jackson TD has really low win ratio
gentle wasp
but is an excellent tank
its basically a medium with a slow turret and a really good 200 alpha gun
wise valley
t20 handling is good but its dpm makes it play really careful against other meds
200 alpha is always appreciated tho
gentle wasp
yes
wise valley
like a comet will eat it in a knife fight any day
gentle wasp
yes but if you play it carefully you wont get rushed by comet and you can pick him apart with 200 alpha
wise valley
yup exactly its about the playstyle and how u control the engagement
sick topaz
Can somebody tell me whats that little signature below the tank
gentle wasp
@sick topaz thats T-49 A which was an event tank. the missile thing is because it had guided missiles
sick topaz
Ok thanks
gentle wasp
np
quasi mirage
Ah what a meme tank
gentle wasp
lol
light blaze
I have the AMX 30 B and I’ve been really struggling to get a good game out of it.
hollow terrace
Foch155 is broken change my mind
gentle wasp
@hollow terrace cant lol
hollow terrace
They made the grille useless
gentle wasp
already was but ok
hollow terrace
"The foch can now 2 shot a grille with he" how in any way is that balanced
gentle wasp
and thats what 7 sec
gentle wasp
sigh. just hoping that the stb-1 buff is the beginning of relevance for high tier meds again
gentle wasp
no
hollow terrace
Oh :(
gentle wasp
why
hollow moth
Are you (who was agree with KV-1 nerf) happy now?
wise valley
trusting blitz hanger with playstyle tips lmao
i saw once it saying the is was a sniper and not a peek a boom
😂
hollow moth
@wise valley the web site don't say it's a peek a boom or a range snipe tank, it get the stats and find out what is recommended or what is not, probably in a last versions there were an error (like in A-20 and A-32) or it was KV-1 before another last nerf
wise valley
thats what i was referring to lmao read the bottom. besides anyone with more than 500 battles can tell what role a tank is base on gameplay and stats
thick trout
@hollow moth it is literally a very basic AI that looks at stats individually to determine if the tank is good. If you looked at it before the well deserved nerf then you would have seen that it would have said the same thing. KV1 deserved the nerf and you cannot defend it.
hollow moth
Well i didn't notice the website before but if a basic AI look stats already said it's not good for everything, that's because now is worst, and newbies look like a lot a bot
Remember who don't know what is sidescrape
Now i don't give a $#&@ for KV-1, i have Strv for favorite seal clubbing tank but what about new players?
It will be a bad experience for they
thick trout
The basic AI looks at individual stats and does not take into account the whole picture. KV1 is good for peek a boom as well as front lining. New players can still do very well in it because it still has good armour and a good gun.
hollow moth
Now angling with kv-1 you can get only 90-105mm in some areas, what do you think about it?
Say it in a tier 5 battle, most of tanks have 110 average pen
thick trout
You can say that using an EXP you get areas with 100mm 🤦
Anway a tank is not supposed to be impenetrable, it is supposed to have weakspots
hollow moth
But with EXP you can dance and make it harder to be penetrated, with kv-1 no, he is big, fat, big weak spots and slow, the worst things for have in a tank at the same time
And often enemies focus in it becauuse it's a heavy tank
So I'm sad about it, i playes wwith chi nu for search chi to and kv-1 looks fragile now
thick trout
You can make it harder to hit the weakspots on KV1 super easily, the EXP is much bigger, fatter and is also slow
hollow moth
Bit EXP can dance and make hit there difficult, the weak spot in kv-1 can't be resolved
hollow moth
Mistake @thick trout
@gentle wasp dance the turret make difficult pen there too
Much time for aim at enemy tank equals in more time for enemies aim at you
thick trout
KV1 needs to be aimed at to be pemned as well 🤦
hollow moth
Or just use the right bottom, the weak spot is where auto aim shoot
agile burrow
I think Wargaming needs to fix this
hollow moth
@agile burrow they really need to fix it
thick trout
@hollow moth yeah because you always hit exactly where autoaim looks at no matter what happens 🤦
hollow moth
Yes, and the auto aim looks to weak spot, so your argument about "need to be well aimed for pen" is invalid, and without angle most of the hull front now is 90-100mm
So a simple shoot equals in penetraton
With angle these areas go to 90-105mm but at tier 5 most of the players don't already know what is angle
wise valley
just ace tankered in the kv-1 its still good lmao
hollow moth
I'm ok for nerfig the sides, but nerf the hull front wasn't so good idea in my mind
@wise valley I'm not going to buy kv-1 now, with that nerfs isn't a good idea
Maybe it can still "good", nerf sides was a good idea but nerf the front is not so good
wise valley
then dont lmao its ur choice, if u know how to play heavies its completely fine
hollow moth
But think about new players, for they isn't completely fine like you said
wise valley
sure do whatever pleases u 👌
thick trout
@hollow moth there is a tiny little thing called RNG that will easily take many shots into the better armoured plates. Also atm you are comparing a player who cant angle/wiggle/use cover to a player that can aim well which is definitely not fair
hollow moth
Aim is the easier in the game, the red collor already show to you, yu learn it at tutorial, but you don't learn how to angle
You need to watch videos or go find some tips
And casual players don't do this
thick trout
You look at the playerbase at tier 5 and tell me again that they know how to aim at weakspots. At tier 10 people cant aim for cupolas or lower plates. People at tier 5 aim at a tank not at a weakspot. That is why things like the KV1 and the old ARL (new one has better weakspots) are so good. People just aim at an outline, especially at tier 5. Asking them to pen a KV1s front reliably is impossible
wise valley
baptism by fire, they'll learn and if not they will prob look it up or move on
thick trout
Or they will just stumble to tier 10 and wonder why they keep losing, like most of the playerbase
hollow moth
When i was 30% I understood how to aim at that big weak spot but i didn't know how to aim at low plate
wise valley
lol they wont make it to tier 8 if they dont know how to angle and such
hollow moth
@wise valley until tier 8 they will get tips or something else, learn with the battles, etc in less than 50 battles you is at tier 5
There is no much time for find out that things
thick trout
@wise valley have you ever seen a tier 10 game? I see IS7s reversing out perpendicular to e100s to get 1 poorly aimed shot off.
hollow moth
Google translator time
wise valley
yes i have lmao but anyone who's worth a damn in tier 10 knows the basic
thick trout
And how many of those do you find?
At tier 10 you should be able to find a lot but you dont which is a big problem
wise valley
then thats credits slurp lmao but really ur exaggerating the issue
thick trout
The playerbase is an issue that cant be exaggerated
wise valley
😒
tall yarrow
mortal spruce
Bring the Centurion Action X
empty mirage
Will all Italian tanks at tier 8 and above have the reloader gun mechanic or just the tier 8 progetto 46 premium.
wise valley
If implemented off the pc they will have it. The mechanic has already been well tested in the game
novel anvil
Has WG ever considered adding the M1A1 Abrams as a collector tank at a semi high price?
wise valley
sounds like cancer, imagine bringing in composite armor to the game
scarlet nest
I don't think more morden tank will add..
novel anvil
Who knows
wise valley
Would have it’s own tier mm outside of 1-10 as wg had jokingly said for the wot pc version if they did so
neat nimbus
amx elec bis = mini tank
solid gate
To my knowledge, wasn't the Kpz 70 an Abrahms prototype? Or at least have some of it's lines?
raven bridge
thing is the kpf is H E A V I L Y downgraded
novel anvil
Agree
raven bridge
I'm pretty sure already the kpf was like german sportscar kinda speed
minor halo
Like a senile Abrams who still thinks it's the 60s
raven bridge
oof
but you could argue it's a mbt (which it is) and not a actual heavy tank
except it just sucks overall, it doesnt even have 152 alpha
novel anvil
Wish they nerf IS4 armor honestly
minor halo
I'm really craving the 60TP Lewandowskigo for some reason
raven bridge
the t30 which is better in lots of ways keeps its 152 alpha
novel anvil
The long wait
raven bridge
huh?
minor halo
Like when it first came out in PC and people said it's a combination of the e100 and is4 I instantly knew I wanted 1 and fast
raven bridge
I want the t22 med ngl, for the reverse side scrape
I dont want it cause its op, but cause of the reverse sidescrape
minor halo
Btw will their be a Finnish tech tree?
raven bridge
if they do add then they might squeeze it in with another line
not coming from me but they are mixing I think Czech and Italian line
minor halo
I wonder what their tier 10 tank be
raven bridge
or swedish I dunno but they are mixing lines together
raven bridge
the marksman right?
minor halo
Yep
raven bridge
they should make him vulnerable to he
minor halo
Lol
raven bridge
specifically russian he
minor halo
He ahould be the fastest "tank" ingane
raven bridge
sounds balanced
minor halo
@raven bridge this is WG so when have they ever heard that
raven bridge
hmmmm
cursive portal
Need a fast tank
dense ice
Seems the 107mm "pencil gun" is actually the best option for the KV-2 now lmao
regal zealot
You still can one shot a KV-2, provided that you use CS
crude gorge
Yep I'm starting to see KV-2s with 107 mm more now
wise valley
Nah the 152 still works just as fine, u just get more 300 dmg rolls against higher tiers now instead of the 400 ones
dense ice
300-400 damage after 20 seconds is not worth it lol
wise valley
Against a target u can’t pen it is
dense ice
Meanwhil they'll just curb stomp you during reload hmm
regal zealot
Um, that’s not how HE works, it’s based on your gun caliber, not pen, so you still should do 400dmg instead of 300dmg if you splash
wise valley
Managing reload in a kv has always been its thing lmao
dense ice
KV-2s are a lot easier to kill regardless of who's driving it nowadays so... Yeah
wise valley
X
They have their clear weakness but anyone worth a damn in it knows how to manage
Is it objectively worse after the nerf duh that’s the point of a nerf
wise valley
Rather have the t-150 back then wg, kv-2 with 107 with that hp and armor is underwhelming
dense ice
I still have my T-150, it's still alright
wise valley
Only thing going for the kv-2 against the t-150 with the same gun is it’s absurd dpm boost
dense ice
@wise valley Btw just curious would you consider the Kuro 88mm or the KV-2 107mm better?
wise valley
Kuro 88 is just the one on the vk 30 p anyways just better handling and dpm, I rather have the 107 cause better dpm and alpha
dense ice
Yeah I'm thinking the same thing
wise valley
Ur going to be in knife fight range so the kv-2 edge out. If the kuro abuses angles then he wins
dense ice
It all comes down to who dares wins and makes the smarter move
wise valley
Ye but the 107 just out matches it. Higher pen dpm and alpha. It’s honestly mega broken if not the tank it was on. It’s only semi broken instead
dense ice
Mhm
Honestly I kinda like having a broken vehicle or two at times just for the satisfaction of killing one lol
wise valley
I mean that what I do in my tier 5s against kv-2s. The outplay feels so much more rewarding
deft swallow
I know it’s just a small tank and just a few players still have it, but 20 damage on premium ammo seems a bit low
wise valley
Feels bad man
thick trout
@deft swallow its a tier 3 collectors tank, its supposed to be bad 🤦
wise valley
Lot of collectors got buffed tho lol
Regardless don’t really need premium in tier 3 and wg don’t want gold spammer in low ranks as shown by the notes
hollow moth
@thick trout well, großttaktor have one problem, the armor and still a noice tank
Unfortunately i sold for by crates
But now i have a rudy
surreal haven
I just realiased, I have a collectors tank destroyer
solid gate
Just relise there ain't no Japanese destroyer
fast compass
Any tips for the pershing? The hull traverse felt nice even at stock 75% crew. I would guess play over ridges as the turret looks strong and 10° depression. Anything else I am missing or should be doing. Also what module first gun or the turret(or tracks but I think mobile enough to not need it immediately)? The stock gun lacks pen and the top turret gives additional turret armour
solid gate
I free xp-ed everything and I play it twice a day after the X2 xp reset. I don't like it. Try to show only ur turret and don't engage in 1v1s
dusk furnace
Any tips in the su152 to not get killed in the first 2 minutes of the match but being able to blow poeple up?
gusty totem
Stock gun and take advantage of easy HE pens and AP pens too. Try getting more side on the enemy once you get to the isu that's a whole different story
dusk furnace
K thx
gusty totem
No worries
limber dawn
better wargaming you make from the AMX M4 45 a medium tank his armore isen't heavy
A med have 90mm on the front hull and 100 on the turrets front
normaly a SU 152 do 300 damage on a front of a heavy and on the front of the AMX M4 45 get i with HE 687 damage, nobody can tell me that that tank a heavy is
i don't understand why i bounche with a Tiger P more shots on the front of the turret than by the AMX M4 45 when it is the same armore?!?!
twilit wigeon
Because the Porsche turret the entire front spaced armour while the AMX only had spaced armour around the gun
So effective armour thickness is different between the two
limber dawn
i have learn never go for the AMX M4 45
thats the tank tat sucs the most time
okay you can shoot alot of damage but you get pent from every side, and where the france tanks so bad in WWII to?
twilit wigeon
No
Blitz and irl have very different requirements
Also most of the French tanks in Blitz didn’t actually exists and only faced weak German panzer tanks
limber dawn
but than without panzer
fast compass
M4 45 is a nice tank. In fact all french heavies from arl are nice. you shouldn't really be in front of a derp gun regardless of what tank you are in. It is a heavium, play with the mediums and abuse that 10° of gun depression.
Also use the 90mm DCA 45. The 105mm is not good imo
main zealot
wow
solid gate
105mm used to be viable but its DPM been nerfed, don't use it
Also France's military doctrine was WW1 style, and their government was torn in half. They also had tanks like Somua S35 and better tanks like ARL 44 came later in the war.
flat nimbus
Wow thanks for the free info about the french heavies
About the kv2
I hit a bulls#@t shot at a sherman firefly turret with a HE and caused 958 damage.(-guess the bias is still around-)
limber dawn
they have nerf the armore of kv1 can you nerf the armore from the AT 2
raven bridge
at2 u could argue is easy to flank, but yes they should maybe nerf it since they nerfed the kv1
solid gate
It's so slow and it does no damage, its functionally just a shield, while KV-1 can angle, do good damage and fight off meds easily
If you have the right techniques KV-1 nerf has no impact on you, the nerf was just to stave off the beginners from buying one
And at2, you can pen its cupola. Or use Apcr, its honestly the worst tank in tier V. Hated every second
wise valley
one was an annoyance and the other is a powerhouse
at tier 5 most tanks have 110 pen enough to shoot the capola
solid gate
If you can't aim for it it's not at2 fault lol
Don't forget S35 CA which can tear the AT 2 apart
fluid parrot
Ez to cod also
solid gate
Harv got any luck in challenger?
fluid parrot
A little bit
calm inlet
you missed it in its prime
fluid parrot
I need 30k exp to get the charioteer
neon comet
Just noticed something odd about the AT 2. For some bizarre reason it has more side armor on its right than on its left
solid gate
Yeah it must have been OP before, I'm getting 2k plus games with the 20pdr
Yeah that's not really odd, just design lol. It's a known fact in WoT wiki
neon comet
I guess I just failed to notice before
golden birch
Has anyone else been bouncing weird shots off vk28.01? Like straight sides shot that bounce for no reason?
golden birch
Maybe kinda strange
Looked at replay and might of not been as straight as I thought but still should of gone through
plucky summit
Where did it hit on the tracks
kind shoal
I hit a Stridsvagn 74A2 side and it bounced at a grey spot, the f***??
plucky summit
Show me where 😐
plucky summit
Did it hit on the upper side or lower side, and with what gun?
solid gate
Nerf the WZ-120 and Smasher
solid gate
Give Smasher the Leichtraktor treatment.
blissful geyser
Buff the leopard it's very underpowered
midnight anchor
@blissful geyser Leo has traded all Amor for gun and speed
raven bridge
I would argue Leo is easier to play
the batchat is really REALLY hard to play
for me at least I dunno I'm just inexperience lmao
blissful geyser
Honestly I got like 20 mastery badges in the leopard pta and my leopard I did 5k damege and didn't get a mastery..... It's really hard to master... And it's really hard to play if your team doesn't support you... It's a support medium tank
The leopard was my dream tank 3 years ago just for how it looks... Now that I have time I unlocked it
wise valley
Oof vk 30.02 d with that top gun is so meh
glass crypt
also tremolo i find it much easier to clutch in the amx 12t than in any other tank i have atm
wise valley
Amx got nerfed but it’s still serviceable I would go amx
glass crypt
auto loader's do wonders
wise valley
Imo vk 30.02 d is the stump in the line the Indien pz and rest are good
neat nimbus
so amx 12
wise valley
And if tier 7 or 8 is the stump oh boi have fun
neat nimbus
im grinding a little more
glass crypt
i haven't really gotten to try the german med's, i usually play just light's, heavy's, and fast medium's.
neat nimbus
so amx 12t is the winner on my dilema
wise valley
playing heavies into mediums is a god send
cause the german heavy guns transfer down to the meds
glass crypt
tbh i don't really like the german guns, yes they have excellent pen, but tthey dont deal much dmg, nor do they have an above average reload.
neat nimbus
i just want buy one tank and i stick to it until i have enough money
glass crypt
mainly the 7.5 to 10.5 cm guns, which are the majority of guns used
wise valley
wdym lol maxed tiger p or 1 hello. outside of that they lose their niche and just become meatier
rather use russians or french otherwise
neat nimbus
yep those are i have so far
wise valley
russian got that alpha and french got that pen and later the burst
neat nimbus
glass crypt
i've used the tiger p quite a bit, but when i get into a situation that requires precise aim and positioning, the gun doesn't really give me time to breath.
its not useful to ward off enemies, but dont get me wrong it's good, i just would prefer otther things over it
wise valley
oof americans, so good but the late tiers so meh
neat nimbus
and those
solid gate
Top tier Americans are better than lower tier but okay
glass crypt
i question why you sold the y5 elc and not the t34, but u do u
neat nimbus
i never got the y5 elec
glass crypt
huh
wise valley
lmao t32 and m103 are not worth what so ever
crude gorge
Pershing: the painful
wise valley
t110e5 is alright but i havent checked its capola stats in comparison to the pc
glass crypt
i gave up on the american line, sold my t1 for enough silver to get an lttb.
wise valley
lol t1 - t29 are really good if used right but if it aint ur riff then thats fine
requires a lot of rear management cause everyone want that booty
crude gorge
T95 good though
wise valley
i was mostly talking american heavies
solid gate
Pershing is the best tier 8 med, every pro thinks so
wise valley
its an jack of trades like most of the americans with good turret armor nothing new. its good in the right hands.
could be worse, u could have the tier 7-8 grind towards the max t28 prototype big yikes
glass crypt
how does one deal with a t26e4 other than rushing it ._.
tulip sail
Aim at its forehead
glass crypt
oh
neat nimbus
alright time to buy this
wise valley
i just shoot the tube launcher or aim at the gun port. mostly just better to track it and leave it a sitting duck
glass crypt
unfortunately im trying to be versatile with my tank collection rather than rush to t10, so i don't got no t8 atm
tulip sail
Tube luancher?
tulip sail
So what t7s have ya got since that'll depend on what to do
Oh those are springs to balance the gun
wise valley
yeah i just aim at those
tulip sail
Yeah that's the best idea
glass crypt
i usually go up against it in my t23e3 or lttb, in my heavy's i dont get to fight it much.
wise valley
yeah at that point its not ur fight to take, more like ur heavies just track it and assist from diff angles or ward off flanks and other meds
tulip sail
Ok then ignore it and fight something else
wise valley
like against m6 mutants, i just accept its not my fight and work around it in my tier 7s
glass crypt
h u h
wise valley
tho m6 mutants have the weak points in the cheek so if they're bad u can punish them hard
tulip sail
That works or go in for the paper sides on a mutant
glass crypt
now that i think about it, im not ignoring certain tanks as much as i should.
wise valley
ye exactly m4 on point
wise valley
just track it and go
tracking a tank prob makes them rage harder than actually taking dmg tbh
glass crypt
i usually rush behind it snap away half its hp and run away with whatever little hp i have left
wise valley
oh boi if ur in a fv a45 and feel like a jerk, perma track time
tulip sail
Yeah or t23e3
wise valley
rushing to circle is best left either when u know for sure a tank is isolated, u have a wolf pack, or when the enemy team is broken. never advised early in the match without that much needed data
glass crypt
aight tthanks
wise valley
👌
glass crypt
well, the amx play style is cheeki breeki baguette
neat nimbus
le baguette 12T
wise valley
that nerf tho makes it really have to spend time to hammer out the full mag
think stock was untouched so thats nice
neat nimbus
so i should go for the gun?
wise valley
You can get both the gun and engine up to u
neat nimbus
Ok
zealous anchor
Which perks is the Grille 15 supposed to have over the Waffetrager Auf Pz4? Worst traverse, HE penetration, gun arc. Camo is understandable
inland osprey
Hmm
Accuracy and shell velocity probably
zealous anchor
Seems like a bad trade off ultimately
solid gate
Is Chinese tank good?
calm stratus
T-22 Medium isn't OP
Change my mind
solid gate
Ok
Don't have free xp rn
Don't have gold because just spend it on garage slot
Not quite new
About a month or two
calm stratus
Yes?
solid gate
@solid gate language
What
Abbreviations are considered cursing here. Please refrain.
kindred gazelle
T22... Ive never seen a company more eager to boast that their game offers an OP option for money... In their own game news as well 👀
This game is going to die if this continues I swear 🤦
fluid parrot
How to use the charioteer?
tranquil jetty
Some one knows about obj.705a in wot b
Abot plans to add or idk something different
I'm just asking
Hmm maybe in game files
olive sky
fluid parrot
The stock gun is nice
hushed shadow
proven jasper
Hey all. Does anyone here agree that the M103 is a painful grind?
wicked oracle
Once it’s fully researched it’s a pretty fun tank.
proven jasper
Man I just got some noobs in my team except for 1 Lowe guy. He helped me from not getting flanked and I did 1vs5. It was the best m103 moment in my life. Now ik that if u charge against an is3 for a face to face with the distance between u almost 0m, then the is3 will never do serious damages.. this thing is a beast.
wise valley
Just don’t expose ur tracks and keep your front to them. Wiggle the turret between reloads so it’s hard to hit ur weakspots. Frontally and gun wise it’s one of the best heavies at tier 6
balmy parcel
Mmm ok
north musk
I enjoy t71
wise valley
Killer bean nice.
robust dagger
I want the O-47 so much ;_;
Because it's a Tank from Kunio Okawara, he designed alot of Gundam and other Mecha Stuff
blissful geyser
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hollow belfry
@thick trout It's a very rare tank so master is ez to get. Got the tank today and 2 masters in less than 15 battles.
flint eagle
@thick trout What is the exp bar for Ace while using the AMX CDC?
Is there a site to look up those numbers?
solid gate
The ace bar is constantly fluctuating. Having a third party site track it would be immensely difficult.
thick trout
@flint eagle no clue, best way to find out is to do it yourself or to look on youtubers discord channels to see what other people have done
obsidian snow
Am i the only one who is cursed with the conway? Constant losses
hollow moth
TOG don't make massive damage, TOG just exist
plucky summit
It can make massive damage if you press on the enemy
hollow moth
Ultra speed since 1747
plucky summit
It’s a great carry tank if you keep your HP high
valid lodge
Togs got a pretty decent gun. Your hp plus dpm is really nice. If by chance you can hyper hulldown, tog can be a really formidable opponent
hollow moth
That's why it's funny
plucky summit
Reverse sidescrape against T5 meds, and you’re hell against them
hollow moth
Rarely you are in the front line, but if you find an enemy, there is no how to scape
The enemy dies
Just die
plucky summit
Or runs away, becoming useless away from the frontline
wise valley
Buying a tog is a great service for anyone who needs free exp
plucky summit
Tog is so much more of a threat now since KV-2 got HE pen nerf, if you angle it
wise valley
Everyone else ofc
plucky summit
KV-2 was togs nightmare tho
hollow moth
I liked this reload and loved that HP
The slowest tank i have played but ok
Unfortunately long range fights are common but fortunately tog is good at long range fights
It's the slow machine of doom
wise valley
its just free hp tho, u really got to hide the whole thing and assume ur team isnt brain dead. outside of that, in a plat, its a blast
neon comet
How many tanks are short enough that they can sit beside a tog and avoid its gun
wise valley
e25 for starters
solid gate
Does anyone have any info on the module information on the Kpfz70?
solid gate
Nothing
hollow notch
What module information are you looking for
cursive cape
Is this where I complain about the T-22 medium?
wise valley
no this is patrick
somber rampart
No this is Pizza Hut
cursive cape
If someone could redirect me to that thread where WG can ignore it, that would be nice.
tulip sail
If you want them to ignore it I suggest pms
hollow moth
I hate those people who say "gravedigger need to be deleted", they are too noob, at tier 7 you need to learn how to shoot at a low plate or a cupola
Fight it at long range, that auto loader cannon is useless at 100m
Or round it, have low side armor
"Uhhhg but tier 6 tanks can't play vs a gravedigger" it's a tier 7 tank with a powerful auto loader gun and with a strong front armor, do you think it's made for tier 6 tanks kill it?
crude gorge
Gravedigger is useless when it's against tier 8 heavies
hollow moth
Tankenstein make the same dmg, have a big front armor too but shoot only one time and nobody say about it
plucky summit
@crude gorge well yeah it’s a nailgun