#vehicles-discussion
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I have all Equipment unlocked on it I just dunno which of the 2 for each Is advised Bessie's ramming cuz it's a clear pick
Rammer, Module, Optics GLD, Armor, Engine, Vstab, Toolbox, consumable cooldown
Armor equipment is the most useless. I never use it on any vehicle because it doesn't actually work š¤·
It works on anything with 200+ armor
No it acts as some other undisclosed armor mechanic that doesn't give actual thickness
It also doesnāt show with hit skins which is annoying
Fix the camo for 252
Should I buy the sturer emilās equipment?
I have 1 mil to spend, should i buy equipment or just buy the borsig
Borsig
But i love the sturer emil now š„
welp, what you want is what you want
The Crusader scares me. I miss the Sherman V super bad
Is wz112-2 good....was considering to buy it
yeah its pretty darn good
wz112 over 112 Glacial? what's the difference
@hearty zinc Correct me if I'm wrong but I enquired about it and support said that it will just have a percentage increase in armour values at each part of the tank like in tank stats, regarding hitskin I'm not sure, could be tested in training room
buy borsig first then u can grind credit again for your sturer @full kiln
Yes
@zealous anchor It was already tested in a training room with the 3x caliber penetration mechanic. The +5% armor didn't help to ricochet a 183mm shot on a 60mm plate.
So Wargaming lied? I don't know too :((
Not really a lie. They did say that the armor value is increased by 4%, not the armor thickness
That would mean that the armor is imbued with a slightly stronger material, while retaining the same thickness.
And how would that matter
āI have composite armour that can stop anythingā
āYea but itās still only 100mm thickā
Should i but rhe SU-100 so i can buy a SU-152?
English pls
Why WG nerfed Maus' lower plate without announcing
They did?!
Maus' lower plate is nerfed
He probably gets penned every time because he can't angle correctly lmao
WG later announced after we tested the overmatch that it didnāt affect overmatching. It acts as RHA factor
So the armor thickness stays the same. It just acts as 4% thicket for the purposes of penetrating
I did the math for folks on the NA Forum.
@solid gate try to make angle enough to bounce jagtiger's APCR if you are so good...
So you bounce... Here may be why. - posted in General Discussion:
The recent announce change to RNG brought some interesting information to light.
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At the onset the in game hitskin indicated a 66% chance or higher (base pen), now WG has just released that the HitSkin is 5...
Say I had the T 32, and the T 25 AT had the same top gun. Wasnāt it before were if you had the one both were researched? Because now I think Blitz just put an AT in the name and now thatās not possible..... used to be but not anymore.... disappointed ā¹ļø
how much alpha damage does Foch Destroyer do?
640 avg @solid gate
Thx
@jaunty sandal they were always two different guns
I swear I used to be able to have the same gun
Give the T49 some love
it doesn't need love
It needs a tiny bit of love
Yes, a tiny bit of love is all I ask
No
T49 is fine as is.
Do you think that the WZ 113 could need a buff or a nerf? Or is it fine as it is? What do you think?
Balanced
WZ113 is OK. IS4 on the other hand needs either an upper plate nerf or a hard bottom plate nerf. And E50M needs to have upper plate armor nerfed just a little
Neither need nerfs, pls stop
Exact same train of thought that led to the is7 being nerfed to the ground
Stop the nerfs begin the buffs
Anyone know a good way to play the JP2?
I just got mine and im wondering on how to play well
go hulldown, get that sucker hulldown
E50 M and 113 are fine as they are, maybe, and just maybe, a little bit the IS-4 armor could use a nerf, A LITTLE one
Few tips on the T25AT?
play it like a support tank, use the ridges and gun depression
And snipe when possible
Wait nvm idk about the t25 I confused it with the t25/2 for a moment
I know no the T25/2 is converted in defender in update 6.0?
No it's still going to be a tech tree tank
soooooo .-. anyone have tips for the stock Mk I centurion or should I free XP until I get some upgrades?
@jaunty sandal The T25AT and T32 have the same gun, except for the fact that WG added an "AT" designation to the T25AT's gun so it doesn't carry over
@ancient iron free xp it or you might rage quit its really painful stock
yeah I noticed.... even with prem rounds it seems to struggle .-.
but what tier?
tier 5 i guess
is that an SU?
It's a KV TD
KV chassis?
KV-7 i think
KV-7-2
I think the way they name their tanks is by
- type of hull/chassis used
2)caliber of the gun - number of guns(?)
No
Welp it was worth a shot
i was just guessing on a limb
It's usually type/name of tank followed by the year or caliber
ah
Rarely followed by the model(?)
Only found on very few tanks, such as the ISU-152-1 and ISU-152-2
prototype?
it was
yep
And of course there are the tanks that don't follow this, but are usually the interwar designs
Such as TG and T-111
one 76mm and two 37mm right?
KV-7 (I haven't seen it being called KV-7-1)
I'm not sure what the others are, they might be 45mm. I'd have to check
Yes, 2 45mm guns
So it shot three barrel on same time?
If you wanted, sure
would probably be a bad idea and horribly inaccurate though
So tier 5 Helsing
Also the 45s had no recoil mechanism
Japanese hts will never add in the game?
yeah no this was confirmed by Ribblestripe
so sad
Is the AT 2 still any good? It got its hitpoints nerfed, and a lot of tier 6's can pen it pretty easily
Dont think it was ever good
Well, it used to be a rolling fortress
it good in tier 5 and tier 4 battle
Pz IV G or Leopard?
IV G
Thx
I must have money for ammo? 5600..
Cuz i have 404 800
Bye my love pz 35 t! My little cz tank..
yes, shells cost credits
probably
Try restarting your game client
Go frontline
also get 15cm gun
Use the amazing armor profile
always go town, especially on port bay
How reliable is the Cromwell
very
yolo to ISU-152s
Yes yolo is good
I can make it reliable by cross referencing
why does my rhm get bullied :((
just had two games and we all lost
well, the first we couldve won but someone drowned in portbay
lol
200iq plays
and second the ISU yoloād in castilla
dispersion on 15cm gun sucks
lmao
like a shot can land 5cm infront or fly 5cm above
@brisk orbit refined gun is a must
Differences between obj. 140 & T-62A. Go. (appreciate the feedback :))
obj has -7 gun depression
Obj 140 plays more like a t54. T62a is all about the gun
T62a have much better turret armor , and much better gun
Hmmm Iāll probably get both (eventually) but just curious as I was looking at their paper stats and couldnāt decide lol
Take t62a , right now it is just much better tank than ob , 1 degree of gun depression it
@brisk orbit it got 6 , one more than t62a
Obj 140 > T62A because of the armour, 1 additional degree of gun depression and mobility. Also, if you check blitzstars, you'll see obj has better averages (90 days)
Obj140 is easy to play but 62a is all about finesse
Please bring obj 705a to the game with new lights aswell
we do not need a better E-100
Why? Already exists with VK anyway.
the Object 705A has a lower profile, a stronger turret and a smaller+stronger lower plate. It has weaker side protection for the hull, and the gun is basically the same except it has worse gun handling by a small margin. It's basically better than the E-100 in almost everything. The VK 72.01K is horrible at sidescraping because of the triangle weakspot
@lavish totem we don't need Russian bias tanks
@solid gate add this
Hmm? What is that? @frank swift
IS-8 + Rocket Launcher(Atgm)
Why? Its just another tank. No big deal. You can drive Russian bias enjoy the benefits or have to kill Russian tanks. It balances out. So what difference does it make.
Obj757 @solid gate
Lol
Actually i would like to see t10 as the t 9 tank
@lavish totem oh myb that 705a is pretty broken even on pc? It is supposed to be Russian e 100 but without turret weakspots of e 100 ,nor the poor mobility
@solid gate IS-8 =T-10
What's next , artillery?
No art pls
So balance it simple
@frank swift tbh I didn't know it lol , then is the pc t10 got just difrent hull or smth?
All wotb tanks undergo balancing. Easy
Cuz everyone they did balanc them on pc
Game is dying fast. Being against new tanks is just helping the game die faster.
Anyway. To the devs. I'd like to see 705a and other lights join the game.
Cheers. š¤
XDD Ah at least you made me laugh
@solid gate
After Stalin died in 1953, IS-8 was renamed the T-10 tank because of political factors
Lol then have just buffed it , thx m8
I don't play tier 4, but just check the B1's second gun.
Why does HE deals the same damage as AP?
AP deals 50
APCR deals 30
HE deals 50
Russian bias does not exist in blitz
I think they just messed up with the A20
It'll be fixed in 6.0
IS-8 = IS-8
Itās an error by the devs iirc
The IS-8 was the final prototype (after trials of the IS-5 had been completed) before it entered production as the IS-10. It was renamed T-10 after the death of Stalin shortly after production started
Greaaaaaaaaat, more fake overpowered tanks are coming. They flash and make realistic battle noises and everything
I bet if they put old tanks in the store for like $10 they would make more money
How do you know there op? All we have is the screenshot
@humble seal but it is complete rubbish the IS-8, the IS-7 is so much better
I guess?
I would argue that the T-10 was much better
The Object 730 program started after tests of the IS-7 had concluded
Iām going on past experience @tulip sail
So you have no solid evidence since just because something has an auto loader doesn't mean its op
I donāt care about auto loader but when has WG brought a paper tank and not have something op about it? @tulip sail
Type 64
The t7 amx , (I love it but) the rev
The light tank
This one?
Its armour is next to non existent
Well yeah
Yeah ik it's a real tank
I said paper tanks
Oh you ment paper projects
ffs man
In that case are you counting fake tanks aswell?
at8 , su-122-44 (its gun/ is good but hardly op ) , t-34-1 , type t-34 scavenger, strv gravedigger
But the o-i isnt in blitz
It really do be like that
Why is the T-28 premium
It's a collector and collectors were to get rid of alot of the seal clubbers
And thin the low teirs
su-122-44 was a cancelled project
You know how in the shop there are premium chinese tanks? I donāt know if I should get WZ122-2 with attachment and camo (15k gold) or the WZ122-2 and WZ111 (17.5k gold)
too expensive.
@brisk orbit as far as i'm concerned, the su-122-44 is fake
i have no information on it other than the two drawings of it
@solid gate go for 12.5k bunflw
Why so?
because the camo and attachment are just cosmetic
Use the 2.5k gold you save to change your name or something vaguely uselful š¤·
platoon tier 10 ??
some one
Why British tanks in stock are such a... I try to find an appropriate word for.š¤¢
Add Panzer IV AUSF H as a Premium
A pain in the foot
Is it dumb to go for all the tier 6 Russian tanks rather than specialize in one line?
I love the heavys and su-152 and idk about my or t-34-85
What is it
is there an updated equipment tips list someplace? I played last before there were 9 options on equipment and the only thread on the forum is from 2018 and it draws a lot of criticism
So people is kinda want new turret for E100
Hmm? I think e 100 turret is perfectly balanced
It got huge weakspot , so ppl can't tell it is op , but at the same time angling is making it almost impossible to pen
why does we do not have Grille 12?
Wz111Gft vs obj704
On paper obj 704 looks better and yet the wz111gft plays like a beast
I got the wz and am having a very good time
Itās probably the armor
I feel much more confident pushing
Vk 72.01 k or maus which is better
Maus
Thanks
Both are good
Why is the sh*tbarn not with the 183, and why is the badger not replacing the fv183
badger aint replacing 183 cuz cash
@languid steppe because wargaming can make a quick buck
Yeah, pretty much. But replacing it means people want to spend and grab that before it goes out, no?
Putting a tank in an overpriced crate will always earn more, as compared to making some rush the line with free exp
Though you can always push the 183 out for cash grab later
Is Mauschen a good tank to get
ye
Should I get T-54, Caernavon, KV-4, Hellcat, or Chaffee?
depends wut u see in a tenk
most or all of these tanks have terriab;e stock* idk if im right
Well My Hellcat is already Uped
ok
t-54 top gun has uhh....quite 'unreasonable' shell costs
why?
because its from the USSR
t-44 top gun AP - 252 creds
t-54 top gun AP - 1230 creds
Oh Jezz
just fire 10 shells in battle waste much credits
I see
just dont brawl lots
How about the Caernavon and KV-4?
@brisk orbit itās more to do with the alpha, the SU-100M1 also faces the same issue.
Itās stock gun, which deals 280 alpha, costs around 252 credits, while the top gun, which deals 310 alpha, costs about 1230 credits
sheesh i wonder what leo top gun costs
Thats interesting
Not that much of a jump for credits, as the 12.8cm shell on high tier German tanks costs about 1230 iirc
SU100M1 top gun has 330 HEAT tho
Weāre referring to the standard shell costs between the 280 alpha gun and the 310 alpha gun
It may be cuz top gun is "t9 " gun
100m or 152
what tank
152
SU-152 is a more enjoyable tank. As it starts with the 152mm derp right away, itās pretty nice straight out of the box.
If you wanted a more aggressive tank, the 100M1 can dish out DPM, at the expense of very little gun depression and time on target
And expensive ammo cost
FV215b 183 ammo cost is enormous
Has to be since it's a 183mm shell
Plz Iām going to buy a premium and need advice
Preferably a fast one or it can be a heavy
Lowƫ?
Tog II
Right, yes
T34 Very good in hull down. Makes credits too
Ok thanks guys
Hull is weak
And super Pershing?
I donāt have it
Ohh
Lowe is very good
Easily a 60k every battle
Play it 2nd line and u do well
Ok thanks for advice
Iām going up the Chinese lines and I want to know if I should continue with the meds or do the Chinese heavies, what do you guys say?
The Chinese meds are decent
So are the heavies, but the Chinese tier 7 IS-2 is bad
So meds?
Heavy line is better In my opinion
If you decide to do the chinese line i recommend doing the heavy line first so that you can unlock many of the researchable things for the medium line (trust me it makes your life so much easier especially at tier 9 wz 120)
^^
@idle zinc the Chinese med line is garbage. The td line however is fantastic at tier 7-10
Also the heavy line is awesome at tier 9-10. The WZ111 1-4 is one of best tier 9 heavys
Stop the med line at tier 7 because that one is insanely good
I enjoyed the tier 8 too
So you all say heavies?
Iāve asked people in my clan and they said meds only bc The is-2 is bad apparels
Apparently*
Iāll just do meds first then come back to the heavies
I mean, almost all tech trees have their bad tanks
Some people may also like specific tanks more, because that is just their general playstyle
can someone tell me how the hell to play my leo 1? it is bloody useless
Play it like a PTA
@eager eagle it isnāt useless
@brisk orbit rip i was wrong
Itās actually a rather good tank, you just need to make sure you donāt get hit by HE or HESH
Play it like a TD. Your paper thin, you just can`t get hit
Tru tru
They canāt really expand them tho, like 10 players was thought of but it will never happen
Why is that?
not much space to move
and whenever u try to do long range the whole team shouts at u
and they dont own it
What about simple map expansions?
wdym?
As in, why don`t they just extand the maps more? Not PC or Console style, but enough for 10 players.
Just keep trying, eventually you`ll get the hang of it. Take as much advice into consideration as well
but for the moment i will try to grinf
not from the players in game ttho. XD their only advice is that u should die owo
xd
nice name X3
Oh cheers, nice to know someone actually understands what an oxymoron is xD
IS-7 needs to stop being a self propelled ammorack
do u own leo?
yes, It doesn't get ammo racked all the time though. IS-7 does
yeah, thats cus the ammo rack is on the front of it.
Which autoloader heavy is best? T57 or Amx 50B
Why???? Discuss plz
It gets heat (which is better) it has a 2.5 intraclip
why did they remove T1E1 and MS-1? they were the best tanks in game!
T1E5 is here but not T1E1
@brisk badger are you telling me the pros of t57 or cons?? Confusing
That was the things about T57
But what sucks in it
all tanks are balanced
What do you mean?
T57 isnāt mobile enough for its armor. So the 50B is generally a better autoloader āheavyā, as it can move around the map and bail of the getting gets bad on reload
But the thing is that if you dont have experience with auto loaders then grinding the 50b will absolutely wreck you
Heeeem, i already bought JadgtPanther but i think it's slow for a TD with a med chassis
Gib me some tips for play with this german
Pls
Just wait for the JP2
You can play it with the meds
Use the DPM it has, but it can't be by itself because it just doesn't have a good enough traverse
Hum play like SU-122-44?
Boooi, i do some frontline and flank with SU-122-44
But don't think the jpanther's armor let me do front
Huuuuuuuuuum
Ferdinand is life if you want to front line as a TD.
But you do have more gun depression so try front lining so ridges
the SU-122-44 has 4 degrees of gun depression so good luck getting shots off
Yeah sometimes it's hard use the gun depression
But the armor is so useful for a tank with med chassis
It block dmg easy
Impenetrable for some tier 6
Ohhhh the dpm, it's lovely
The Ferdinand look like better
Ferd has been powercrept since earlier 2015
It's a mystery...
The 111 Fake Tank has my second highest tier 8 dmg. Care to guess #1 š¤«
Sure it must be wzft
I back to this game
And i see
Thx developers
Devs destroy balance in this game š
Ob252u is too op tank
I congratulate good idea š
252u isn't as broken as everyone think it is
the lower plate can be penned by the weakest of tier 7s and the traverse makes it easy to circle
Yes
The IS-5 is easier to play and is better imo
Lmao whats so op about the 252? @solid gate
Sorry developers. I was going to stay with this game, but what you are doing is embarrassing
You just going to complain or answer my question?
Hi i need hep with t 34
When you have at least 5 IQ and you can use the armor of this tank, you can not beat lmao
T-34 or T34? @undone yew
The russian medium
@solid gate yes so easy to hide its gigantic lower plate...
@undone yew use its dpm as much as possible, and keep angling and moving your armour to get as many bounces as possible
Ok tanks a lot mate
Ob252u is the worst tank in game yes
@thick trout you see what you write?
This lower plate is easy to hide
Its gigantic, its almost impossible to hide. Occasionally you might find one in a good position (this happens ever 500 battles) but then you just ignore it, it isnt difficult
Eh, there's no reason to argue with you because I see you're a proud owner of 3 IQ
@twilit wigeon nope, T23E3, the M10 Panther and Rudy have problems with this high plate without apcr, I'm not sure but i think SU-122-44 have the same problem
well nothing is going to pen the upper plate and everyone facing it will know just by looking
My Rudy and my SU-122-44 have a serious problem to pen the low plate and the sides, the 252u doing face hug is immortal
The upper plate block tier 10 dmg, more armor than obj 268 pen
it's only 170mm thick on the lower plate
Ya su122-44 will struggle against any tier 8 heavy. You canāt even pene side of a IS-6. Rather annoying
The side skirt I mean
SU is always going to struggle to pen with it's 175mm of pen on a tier 8 heavy
@twilit wigeon rudy and other premium tier 7 meds pen 140-150
that's why you load some prammo just in case
So spam prammo and don't get any credits :D u saved my life ohhh yeah
well if you're using premium tanks as you clearly are describing there's nothing wrong since the credit coefficients of tier 7 premiums compensate for the prammo use
I used 20 and still made a profit without premium time or boosters
Hoo so you was with full hp or hit and pen every shoot
I was at 100 hp left
and I bounced like 5
Tier 7 tank complain about front penning tier 8 heavy without Prammo - cry me a River.
The 252Uās armor only really works if itās above you or at the same height. If youāre above the 252U, shooting down on it, all that armor will be nullified.
Hey, what are some tips for playing the Churchill 3 against tier 6s, especially heavies? I tend to just get smashed. Is the higher pen 57 better to pen arl 44s?
Let your team mate deal with them
are either the Krupp-38d special or the Panzer V/IV worth it? Lookiing at one of those or the T-14 heavy
looking primarily to run for credits at tier V
T14 is superior
Thanks
How to beat the 252U ?
The same with beating anyone.
Take the HIGH GROUND!
The Krupp is good. I have both t14 and Krupp
252 isnāt op. Just circle, flank, or shoot itās lower plate
@primal nymph yes because its so easy to find positions where the gigantic lowet plate can be hidden...
You think the average player has any hope of doing that?
No
Yes i know (not completely true hut lets not get off topic), but if a tank is OP or not is based of the average player. It doesn't matter if one person can do well in it, it matters is lots of people can do better than they normally would do
Its a new expensive premium tank, most normal people arent going to be playing it
Dont you think about 73% in the kenny is a little too high?
For a new tank that is relatively difficult to play well, 62% does not make it OP. Noobs who bought it cant play it well, so dont play it but others who can play it well play it a lot. Other tanks like the defender are played by a greater variety of people, specifically lower ability players and it still has 60% WR, but no-one is complaining about that
@primal nymph i didnt say everyone that bought the tank was a good player. Generally the people that bought it would have been above average because they buy the most prems. But the people who actually play it will generally be above average players because its relatively difficult to do well in, and so noobs would play it a bit thrn give up.
And whats unique about the 252?
the basically impenetrable upper front plate
And that is used so much because people dont just aim for the lower plate... VK100 also has a very strong upper plate too, that doesnt make it unique
? I literally just stated what the 252U has that other IS type tanks don't, and that is a really strong pike nose. It's the most "distinctive" feature of the tank as far as I can remember
@primal nymph vk100 can sidescrape amazingly, but ofc there are definitely more places to hide a gigantic lower plate, consistently get shots off, and not get flanked with the 252. 𤦠252 has a pretty bad gun, as well as a gigantic lower plate to negate its armour, its not OP
@primal nymph if it is only good players that play it then it is not an OP tank. It means that it has a high skill ceiling so they can do well in it, which is not OP š¤¦
Well, not really true. The T67 is a tank on WoT PC that is considered OP because in the hands of an experienced player it becomes a tier 5 curb stomper
^^
I can massacre the reds in my T28 prot but no-one says that is is OP š¤·
You are saying a tank is OP because good people can play it well, which is untrue...
High ceiling tanks are not broken š¤¦
High skill ceiling tanks are not broken, as that only represents the amount of skill to do well in it, and does not represent how well you will do in it if you play it well
"You're losing track of the argument here"
@primal nymph that was because they could do well in those tanks because they are good players, not because the tank was stupidly broken.
@primal nymph just because good players can use a tank well it doesnt mean it is OP (notice how you have stoppped saying OP and have now gone to broken)
Button is 100% right
M4 49 has 59%, defender has 58% and you arent complaining about those?
So how about we say that every premium tank in tier 8 is broken?
If people are above average in them then they must be broken, right?
But still the rush to play the 252 is settling down, so its inflated stats will go back to it being just a decent tank
@primal nymph so every tank in which people can do slightly well in is broken?
The disadvantages that the 252 has balence out its advantages. It is a decent tank, but it is definitely not OP, and 62% from a tiny sample of players that payed for it isnt anything too special
The entire playerbase
They have charts of 55-65 players, but obviously they factor in everything to their decisions
Ah yes,ofc they just ignore over half the playerbase
252 is the is-6
If you want to properly complain about a vehicle say the correct designation
@primal nymph yes that sounds very smart doesnt it. They just ignore over half the playerbase to balence tanks just for fun š¤¦
You'll always deal with half of something not being used
š¤
Do you want to make a vehicle brain dead easy for a 40% to do 4k
Or. Is the half even their š
So you are saying WG just ignores over half their server to bring out balenced tanks? If they dont understand how to play against it then it needs a nerf.
Wait its called the 183 after they decided to nerf all the mediums and not touch the real issue
I don't think wargaming actually releases premium tanks with the intention of making them balanced
@primal nymph just take a little think about how much sense that makes š¤¦
That's why wg post the 55-65 statistics
He makes total sense. If you want a super competitive game you will ignore the window lickers
Say if they went any higher vehicles would be nerfed cause the players that are playing them just do so well but you probably wouldn't get the same from a 55% player
Example would be the badger & I avged 3.6k over a course of a 100 games
Now take the broken state and have a 55% person do it
Lmao
Probably the person could do 3k relatively easy if they played their cards right
Gagagaga. Just chillin and lickin
And for the 252U it's alright but not a broken vehicle
It may have its moments where it can appear broken
Bet
Tape measure extends......
I posted a replay of mine in #replays
If its doable in every heavy vehicle then why isn't it seen more often
...
which line should i focus on, m41 walker bulldog to t57 heavy or lttb to obj 140?
obj 140 has monster dpm and good armour but t57 just seems abit op
the 140 is probably a better choice
Is the T30 tank destroyer good?
Itās very good
Probably the best tank in the entire tier 9
For a tank destroyer
T-34-3 and/or 59 Patton worth it?
idk about 59-patton but the T-34-3 is pretty good now
WT gud
Is any god FV215b?
I was thinking about the T-34-3, then I saw this... It's practically a slightly heavier and premium T-34-2 with the same characteristics and the same play style of a TD... If the price is reasonable I'll wait for the Skorpion G
I have T-34-2 which I have actually done well in. Do you think I would enjoy the T-34-3 because of this? Based on your experience is it worth it?
T-34-3 is almost never sad since it has no depression
same with SU-101
a more armoured T-34-2
you can get almost the same play style of the T-34-3 if you mount the 122 just less armour and not as fast
Did bushka or meadsy or sk8 review the second buff on the t-34-3?
2 trash tank more
Trash T343 and 59 Patton
trash
Why resale tanks that hardly anybody buys
@twilit wigeon or just play the t44 with 122mm
T44 with 122 is awful
Just play T-34-2, you can exploit the mobility of its lighter chassis. T-34-3 is a bit slower and sluggish on disleveled terrain. The T-54 modeled-like turret and the aim time are the only things worth of the tank, and also I can't explain why the T-34-2 mounts a Chinese 122 mm gun, while the T-34-3 mounts the D-25 TA gun of IS-5 and IS2sh, and common also to the WZ-111, 112 and 112-2, with always different shell velocity and some other parameters. It seems the different guns between the two meds have exactly the same parameters, it's strange
I got the T-34-3 via crates from last year and now they are just upright selling it on the store! In my opinion, I feel like they should add 20-80 more horsepower into the vehicle so it drives a little better.
@solid gate almost every tank is the 1st time sold for many $$$$$ or inside crates, then the next year or two is sold again for gold
I picked the M4A1 RevalorisƩ for just 8k gold instead of 12.5k 6 months ago, more or less, so they discount them also
@solid gate that is very true, I have seen tanks go for crazy amounts, and itās just part of the advertising and marketing methods WG do.
That's the why I am willing to wait one year or two for a much discounted Skorpion G, considering maybe this time they will sell it for an amount of gold I probably am not willing to buy
I am waiting for lower tier premium/collector tanks (1-5) so that I can get them and keep them for good. I was about to get the lines pre 5.5 tech tree for German and British TDs and poof itās gone. I even wonder if WG is even consider reselling the old researchable tanks.
All they mainly sell is T8 premiums, itās really frustrating to just wait for something in particular and a T8 vehicle is up for sale. IMO, I donāt want to wait a half a week for the next offer and see another T8 on sale... #moretiervarietiesthan8
Personally I found the Tier 8 sold this year very interesting and enjoyable, I got the M4A1, and maybe I'll get the LeKpz if I can make up my mind
But here's the reason why many people can profit from buying them this time, this screenshot is about the last time those tanks were in shop. 8k gold or the bundle of 2 tanks are a deal for those 3 Tier 8 tanks
Hmm. Come to think about it... maybe I am just a little too harsh on the T8 tanks, but I would think a little more variety than just T8 should be added
But they sell also some Tier 5 tanks lately, and for very good prices I say, 1400 or 1500 gold, plus equipments and premium account. I say they should put more Tier 6 or 7 in shop, that's for sure
I totally agree
Thanks for your advice, iāll stay with my premium tanks and wait for the next one
If only the t34-3 has 215 pen...
@hoary kettle yes but some weeks ago it was sold again for 8k gold, the same price as LeKpz 90 mm and now the T-34-3. So I got it, and totally happy for that discount
Ik i got the rev for 9.5k
8k seems pretty fair for the t-34-3 at this point in time. Its a fun tank but the biggest downside of it is the tier its in.
Yeah its really hard to carry in the rev
Can you believe I got so many bounces with the super troll gun mantlet of the Rev that I almost don't feel at all the lack of armor, fun as h*ll
For some reason I've stopped being able to win in the higher tiers. T6 is iffy, 7 is a no cause I get uptiered in my T25 AT and die, and the Krupp is just slightly broken at the moment XD
Lol
Like, my Lowe I do well in and my team goes into a grinder before I can get to the fight and help. Same story in my KpfPz 70. My 140 is whether or not I make an el stupido mistake or not
5.5 got rid of the Seal clubbers, but it helped the less able players up the tech tree XD
Yeah
Folks have been failing up the tiers since 2014.
Yeah but I feel it's more noticeable now but that might be bc I'm no longer the one failing my way up
As you improve the flaws in others will become more visible.
the big scam for the high price tank was the mutz. 15k gold for the MOST generic tier 8 med
āThe mutz is so good. Itās a better indien pzā
it is
Not in armor, and that makes it fine in WGās book šš
Thatās fine. I have never once wanted either so it doesnāt matter to me
Before 5.5 was one of the greatest tier 5 tank
Its ez to get with him on fire any other enemy tank. But now i dont know bcs 5.5 was all ruin
It still fine
Yes, but actually no
Actually the kv-1 is the most popular and everyone prefer it
But before 5.5 leleopard was a legend
@quasi mirage I love the Mutz, Iām like 77% with over 2k avg dmg in it. Itās an excellent tier 8 med
Im not saying the mutz is a bad tank but its so GENERIC.
I want the mutz but not for more then 6-7k gold
The CDC is insane good. It might come on an event like the CDC did at some point, as did the Hype 59 and others.
Do we ever have black market at wot blitz? Like they do at wot pc?
CDC is garbage. GUn handling is awful
You mean like people selling there accounts?
No armor+ garbage turret = awful tank
Yeah its not even fun to play like the m41 is
(I'm not a light/lightmed type of person)
@tulip sail no, like they selling premium tanks in very cheap price
And i think they sell walker bulldog for credits to
Yeah and they do it on black Friday
I saw that on the wot pc youtube channel
i dont get why anyone likes the CDC. Huge+no armor+ bad gun
I like it on two occasions it's the things bday or it's a first win grind event
gun is pretty decent
Gun is awful. It has average pen and slightly above ROF but gun handling is worst for any medium tank
pen isl iterally avg for a tier 8 med. Maybe a touch above. Anyway the gun handling is so bad it doesnt matter
Will the sherman firefly become a collector? I heard that somewhere.
Literally 212/258 is the generic tier 8 med pen these days
Tell that to russian and chinese meds
212/258 is more than sufficient to pen most tanks. The handling is fine once you slap on equipment. The alpha is "ok". The only thing bad is the armor vs. size of tank. You have to play the thing like a light instead of a medium.
I'm near the personal access tier 10 and i really want Lƶwe...
Who need to be the first?
Russian bias and derp armor or german bian and stronk cannon?
Lowe is worth it. I like it more than the Russian heavies available, but that is personal preference.
@green zodiac I doubt the Firefly will go collector. The new TD line is supposed to start from it.
Oh ok thx
Anyone know how to ammo rack maus?
So basically between the turret and the Hull?
You can check in armour inspector for yourself
yeah but its hard to rack a Maus due to the high HP of the tank's modules
Was about to say that
In my 45k games, I've only seen one Maus getting ammo racked
Unfortunately, not to me
@solid gate can you show me where E5s ammo rack is located plz?
Ah alright, I thought some ammo was located in the turret, thanks.
How many mbt classed tanks again are there in Wotb?
Leopard 1, T-62A, STB-1, M60, M48, Chieftain, KpfPz 70
Centurion I, Centurion 7/1, Type 61
Oh well was typing a list but I might as well add on
Amx 30B, Type 59
Check out how badly the M4 performs now...
M4 Sherman?
M4ās solid. As long as you only expose the turret, youāre set.
Iād say otherwise for the Firefly though. It just doesnāt have good gun depression, due to the gun
If you ARE talking about the M4 Sherman, it's still a really good tank. I've only just bought it only to grind for the T49 but it has decent protection and a really good turret. DPM isn't lacking either and the gun handling isn't bad at all.
Lol M4's solid?
8.5 second reload for a gun that does 150 dam
and always get uptierd to tier 6
Yeah to me it is. Performing pretty well on it as well
slow as a wet week..
Just spend a little credits on a rammer and provisions, it helps alot
mines all maxed, but doesnt help uptiering
Mines should be limited up to a certain tier.
mines should be 1-5
I haven't even bothered to get the tracks, 9k exp isn't worth it at all
It just makes the vehicle maneuver better, mainly. Not by much.
Also better aim time
True
you know what people do when they see an M4 on their team? they push it up in front and let it soak up damage for them...
That doesn't really equate to the tank being bad
Eh fair enough
Make sure not to have the M4 go physically downhill while there are enemies, or it kills the purpose of the armor profile.
The M4 really doesn't bounce much outside of the turret, but it does provide decent protection against leopards
And their spamgun turrets? Yeah.
I may need to use external resources to study armor composition of tanks for this game... is there any places I can go to?
HOLY... 11k loss for a mastery class badge? Worth it! (ā āæā )
A šš PššCššR xD
say M4 is bad
play the M4
got Mastery
take the word back
pls make this into a meme so I can become famous
Yeah probably not
yeah thought so
So did you spam APCR or was it overloaded consumables and provisions? Or both?
well i didnt use any rapair kits or med kits, just food and fuel to get the tank to perform, and APCR for a kv1s and vk 36.01H
I just noticed that the armor of turret rear of the T-34-3 is uncommon for a med, 150 of thickness, the only similar tank which has it superior in value is the T-55A, but it is Tier 9
@solid gate 121b?
@solid gate su-85?
@Iron Striker 327#6152 suit doesn't have a turret tho
Tier 8 tech tree tanks need buff
No one takes a single tech tree tank in tournaments.... except for RU or T49....
From this one can see how much underpowered are the tech tree tanks
Its more like the team that has more premium tanks is gonna win(252u wz112-2 wz120ft) more of a pay to win
@leaden gazelle if you want to learn about the armor profiles of tanks, get Armor Inspector, or search tanks on Blitz Hangar
so when can we expect this as a premium?
there is a loooooong time until french whelies come
if this is a premium only vehicle then i will quit the game
bring back ue 57
^^^best td in game
i would have it as my car if i could
gets confiscated for being weapons of mass destruction
police: is this your car? me, an intellectual: well technically....
Tank: (1) A heavy steel box crammed full of explosives. (2) an efficient crematorium for itāstalented crew. (3) Otherwise, a monument to the in accuracy of the direct fire.
@haughty cargo They want low tier lines to be narrow so itās not so diverse for new players, sorry š
JPanther need urgently a buff
Depends on the reload
Why 5 or 4 secs for reload if the alpha isn't good
The transverse is thw worst, it was a med chassis
Armor will make you fell in a light tank
And the aim isn't so good
The match making will give only tier 8 battles so it's impossible make a good damage
I really hate it but i want Ferdinand
Try to change my mind
Pls i need a reason for play with it
Tiger (P), DPM monster, ~5.5 second reload, JPanther, what reload time?
@plucky summit 4.4 with the 8.8
Better than Tiger (P)? Didnāt it do ~220
Then consider it a glass cannon, a sniper, donāt complain about the armor being bad for a TD unless it is kinda optimized for frontline
The camo can be a little better tho
And if you want alpha use the 10.5, still with better dpm that the tiger p
But i didn't research the tier 8 cannon : /
Never expect a stock tech tree tank to be good unless many of their modules were researched through the previous tank xD (aka Obj 704, unless it has that engine because I have IS-8 already)
I don't think so, obj 704 with bl-10 is perfect, with engine or not engine
Yes, I love it already
But that BL-10 came from ISU if you think it would be stock
And jpanther in 75% is a little bit better, not cyberpunk like SU-152 but good
Now i can get some xp
Yeah get it maxed and youāll see its full power
Motor Maybach HL 230 TRM P30 or tier 8 cannon 8,8 cm pak 43 L/71 in jadg panther?
Idk
Also why would you have an AMX 13 75 but with a 90mm, VII but with a better gun in VIII xD
Can the PZ.IV A have her HE shells back but with nerfed damage?
GroĆtraktor have the same problem, but his gun don't need a nerf, the aim, the reload and the armor are already bad
Yeah well, I want the HE shell on the PZ.IVA to have around 100-125 damage. Not Russian biased like the BT-7 art.
Well, I meant just not biased
GroĆ was the kv-2 of the tier 3, 1 HE shell made 200 dmg
True. But the HE shell on the PZ.IV A was designed to destroy buildings and not tanks. Thats why I want it to have 100-125 damage since its "purpose" is not on enemy tanks.
Just keep the reload long
But what about IS-5? Is it worth? What about the armor?
IS-5 is like the IS-3 but slightly better imo
I never played in a tank with the famous "pike nose"
So it will be a new experience
Nah, I still wish for my PZ.IV A to have a HE shell with 100-125 damage since its a rare tank. AP and HEAT shell stinks
@solid gate is that the panhard?
Probably yes
The is5 is definitely worth it imo since its the price of a t4 premium and it's a trophy showing that you stick with your clan
lol i only joined the clan im in because its got tier x supplies
i left the other clan as it was on like tier 5 supplies and i was tired of contributing 80% of the xp for clan supplies
@half wyvern I feel you there man, so I've founded my own clan time ago and set my goals, after a falling out with my previous clan with its incompetent and childish leader
I will left my clan when i get the tier 10 personal access and go for other one with tier x clan supply, buy the IS-5 and go again to my clan
Simple, easy and fast
I wont leave mine if I'm the last active
So leave it, no friends online for play = no fun
I don't understand why but ok
Same. My clan is awesome.
Be loyal for who if they are all off
The clan
is it normal to get tier x personal supply before u actually own a tier x?
Yes
good
I got mine before my t9
i got 3 tier 9's and alot of tier 6-8 tanks
got like 70% researched on tier 10 personal access
I've had a few t9s and I dont enjoy them
Well that's not true I like the tanks but t9 is boring itself for me
My first tier 9 is Obj. 704, i got 2 or 3 aceds in it, it have my second best average dmg
Search in my profile, I'm @hollow moth's secondary account so here is the nickname
I first got the e75 but I didnt enjoy it so I sold it my next was the m46 which I'm starting to enjoy it
But every match feels the same
I liked ISU-152, I loved Obj. 704 but I hated Obj. 268
I only made it to the su152 but I enjoy it
Bruuuuh, my average wins are almost 38% in 268
I really don't like the pike nose
But i want IS-5
š¤ confused but ok
Its fun at times
The worst in the 268 is his armor, it's IS-8's armor, the same, but without the stronger turret
So it's easy to pem
It's trying to follow JPanther tech tree but this tank is very meeeeeeh
Seems like you shouldn't go where you can get penned
Yup, it's confuse cuz u are wearing a heavy skin but you look like a medium tank with an ultra mega cannon
That's why I'm going to that german line, it's the second our third most powerful heavy armor of the game + massive dmg
A perfect Frontline TD
And this tank have the "famous german aim"
So it's a strong killer machine when teammates are near
Should I get the wolverine or the Easy 8
Easy 8?
Wolverine and ez8 aren't even in the same tier.
Get the ez 8, most balance tier 6 tank in my opinion
I cant believe I'm saying this but the Cromwell might be neck and neck with it
You know it's not balanced when you bounce a KV2 AP shell
Angles are beautiful
laughs in Sherman Jumbo
British Bias?
Lol no just good
Play the KV2 with the stock turret but with the 152mm
I'd rather not touch that with a 50ft pole
mfw i prefer the kv2 with the 107mm
I'd rather not touch the kv2 period
You can bypass it by grinding the KV-1S instead. That unlocks both the KV-3 and the IS iirc. Removing the T-150 was stupid imo.
I've been through it I couldn't stand it
I still have the T-150
Same here
Still a great tank with that armor buff and stuff
I have 900+ Battles in my DĆcker Max
I honestly forgot that I had that
DƮcker Max is a beast of a TD, that tank got me grinding the Sturer Emil again. Now on the Borsig, that 15cm cannon is godly
Yeah it is a nice td
Just you wqit until you get the wt auf pz and get the top 15cm Pak gun, it becomes infinitely more flexible than anything in its tier. Fully traversable turret, short reload compared to other 150mm+ guns in its tier, low dispersion and aim time for a gun of that caliber, good mobility and camo when firing, and the top speed allows you to take quick strikes from close range when enemies are distracted, possibly even two hits if you use hard cover and adrenaline
and the reload is so short that you can brawl and 1v1 heavies and lightly armored tanks, and come out alive
Yeah, planning to get that Waffle Tractor. It even has good gun depression from the rear!
Is it that the tier 9 WT PZ.IV?
Yes
Hey everyone here is something you might like. It is an organized list of all the credit coefficients for each tank in the game.
Should the T30 snipe?
Thoughts and opinions please!
Iām pretty sure IS-6 Fearless has the same coefficient as IS-6...
Thanks for the quick response (=
i don't suggest front lining but second line is fine tbh
it can go hulldown decently
but do expect the cheeks/cupola to get penned from time to time
@alpine olive very nice list.
however you're like 2 years late lol, Positive already made a list in 2016 and its pinned on the NA forums
however, i will pin that here as well
aw dang
It took me like 7 hours to make that
but is his version updated to include new tanks?
yeah, it has everything but like 4 tanks
however, he calculates the coefficents himself
I just used blitzstarsš . I cited them though
š
which is the best first Tier 9 to get among the three: WT auf Pz. IV | E 50 | T-54 ,im looking for a fun tank with a pretty ok stock grind and no i am not going to free exp anything.
im going to try and earn 3.5 mil so i can get my first tier IX :DD
Wt
Obj 704
assuming you already have the BL-10 from the ISU-152 and the top engine, those both carry over
@full kiln the T-54 and the WT auf Pz. IV were the first Tier IX's for me lol. but they did need a good amount of experience to fully max out
id probably go with the WT auf Pz. IV. Get the top 15 cm gun, then get the 12,8 so you can research the Grille 15
^ thats what i did for my WT, absolutely love the tank
yeah you will
its basically a better Rhm
unfortunately, the Grille is not a better WT
Agreed
It's almost like a devolution of Wt
if only grille had a 18cm gun and had the same accuracy
The only downside is armor
there's a lot more than just that lol
To me its not the armor, its the camo rating and turret traverse limits that makes the grille bad
camo rating is bad, traverse is bad, gun angles are bad, gun bloom is just completely terrible
my choice was M46 patton and M103. i didnt do too well in them but the T10 are just great
Maxing out Vk100(p) first or get KV-4?
Like you have the WT with good camo, great gun factors and the grille literally carries none of that over, the only thing it has is a better gun
wtf grille isnt bad at all, 900 games and 64% ... 3k avg thats ok i suppose. you have to make clean shots and move alot thats what the grille is about.
@junior path you know, that line what the WT had, would have been the WT auf E100. the T9 prepares great for it, but not for grille. that makes it unique i think and also very strong
@zinc condor VK first. its a bit sluggish but the armor really is great
Hmms
183 problem is the alpha
isk why wg did nerf everything but not the alpha
so tank now is so bad but still hurt others and make them rage when gun hit
From what I've heard it seems more of an issue of the pen plus the alpha. The point of the 183 is to have a big boi alpha so nerfing the alpha defeats the point of the tank. They merfed the camo and such since it was too easy for it to sit back nuke and not be spotted.
eh
If you can have 640 he at t6...then 930 isn't ott at t10 sorry
@alpine olive what do i open the coefficients with? im assuming its not notepad
@half wyvern Excel
i dont have that
Almost any type of Office application can open Excel files
where does the file download to?
nvm, my onedrive is at max storage anyways, the struggles
I suppose the default Download folder of your device
angry connor was great
@half wyvern check the row of tabs on top of the page, the document covers all
it doesnt say coefficients of any premiums
ue 57 defender
I use the "outdated" T-150
ues
He looks like KV-2's brother
Personally I donāt see the comparison
its the kv-2s dad from another land
Kv-2's long lost british cousin.
Reverse Lend/Lease
Lease/Lend ? :)
how much turret armor does this thing have
It is 14mm LMAO i better pack some spare HE shells with my grille
meadsy spent £10 on pak40? it cost me £3 lol and i got 7 days prem with it too
Ā£3 is 750 gold and pak40 sells for 950 which is already a profit
FCM36Pak40?
ye
Oh
in wot pc its op, 3 sec reload 100 damage but in this game it sucks
it's not the 75mm gun that makes the fcm PaK 40 OP, it's the overpowered viewrange
Which tier x gun do you mount on the Centurion 7/1 ?
The HESH gun
Hello there ,I have enough credits to buy my first tier 8 tank,I'm confused with is 3, t44,ISU 152 which tank should I buy first?
Hello there ,I have enough credits to buy my first tier 8 tank,I'm confused with is 3, t44,ISU 152 which tank should I buy first?
It depends on what kind of tank you like. I'd recommend the T-44 just because I like medium tanks and mobile gameplay, that which it excels in.
I did really well with t43 too
@rigid thunder ok I'll go with t44,thank you for your assistance
be ready for a bad stock grind though
Is is-5 good?
yup, very good from my own experience
I heard bad opinion about it
@tight palm ISU-152 with big gun is a must have tank eventually
i don't have it but i watched some battles in IS-5, the armor is a little bit derp because sometimes u block everything bit in other times u look like a medium tank, the pen and the alpha are good but aim and reload aren't good, the turret is impenetrable @silver verge
Face-hug and running with side-scraping is good for the tank
I know, side-scrap is the basis
Is the Is2sh a good tank?
not really. The tank is meant for sidescraping but when you sidescrape everything shoots at your turret cheecks
Hi,do you know when T-54 Mod.1 is back in the Shop?
I wait it comes back in the Shop because I would like to buy IT.
Why not?
I was the last one alive against a kv 3 with 500 health and me with 200. Somehow I did it and got a mastery!
@knotty vale guy, it's a printscreen, not a discussion about a tank
@modern condor the new Brit TD line isnāt like any other TD line so far. I donāt like TDās generally but these look kind of fun.
Kinda enjoying the T-43. Armors a bit troll and while I'm still relatively new to the lights/meds playstyle (Working on the French lights and T-43 lines atm) kinda feels easier to play than heavies and Tds. Is the T-44 similar to T-43?
Julius Caesar's tank
Ceaser returns as a tank to avenge his wrongful death
@valid lodge Free Sherman for the D-Day Anniversary right here lmao
Why would he be in an American thank then
@tulip sail Would you not want to come back as a sherman?
Fair enough
Me: Ooh free tank!
Everyone else: Chonky Sherman
Although I'd love an m4a3(75)w
Or something like this
That's from the Pacific theater though
?
The wooden running boards and the camo both of which are very common during the Pacific theater while not so in the European theater or metateanian
Hmm
I know a bit too much about shermans
@tulip sail Have you ever watched a movie called Kelly's Heroes?
Its been a long time
Maybe Oddballs Sherman?
But that's a post war variant
Guess I'll keep looking
I could suggest a few unless you want to look for them
Iirc that picture was even taken in Normandy
lirc?
If I recall correctly
Yeah
It was either in Normandy or right outside
Hi billy, remember me? i was in 2 battles with u and asked were u grinding the firefly/
If you where sitting in a cardboard box you would be slapping on scrap metal as well
@sage grottoyes I remember
which vehicle should i choose, type 58 or the wz TD
Wz TD is fun with good mobility and solid DPM on both guns, Type 58 leads to the strong T-34-1 (if played right)
oh
Wich murica td is the best to grind ?
Neither
Both absolutely horrid lines
But E4 if your serious, it's a little bit of a friendlier line
E3 is better for competitive
Which of the modules are worth getting on the KV-3?
Use the smaller gun, the 280 alpha one, because it is infinitely more comfortable to handle than the 400 alpha one.
@bronze anchor
wait if there a 0 on the camo does means i dont have to pay after use?
it's a one time purchase type of ordeal @neat nimbus
so i dont have to pay after use is good
correct. You buy it and is free to use thereafter
yes i save more for the t29
Is it just me or is the sherman firefly bad
Itās mediocre, the VK 28 and Cromwell fill itās purpose more than it does, use it as a recreational tank
Hi. Does anyone know how to get T-22?
toss cash at a screen
Ok, I'll ask game support how to get this balanced tank
sell both your kidneys
@jaunty terrace Currently the tank is not for sale. You will need to wait until it is offered again and then purchase it. I do not know when the tank will be sold again.