Uhm so if we think his opinion is bad so his opinion is bad, we are the gods of the server and what we think it's the true
#vehicles-discussion
hollow moth
old pivot
@solid gate The fact that you find my opinion bad is your opinion.
onyx coral
are we really arguing over who's opinion is worst?
solid gate
The last thing you want is the average 40% win rate player testing these tanks. Those players would give reams of bad data to wargaming. Wargaming would balance off of that data. and those tanks would become virtually unstoppable in the hands of a 55 to 65% win rate player.
onyx coral
its simple, WG chose a testing methodology and thats that
night kelp
opinons are never right or wrong. simple as that
wise moth
Clearly @old pivot doesn’t understand what entails an “opinion”.
hollow moth
Or maybe you don't have humility for hear another opinions @wise moth
solid gate
@onyx coral. There is no argument.🤣
wise moth
He’s not making an opinionated claim; he’s making a factual claim, which is blatantly false @night kelp
night kelp
you mean fabricated claim
left anvil
🤐
solid gate
@night kelp. My opinion is that horse travel is faster than air travel. Is my opinion right or wrong?
onyx coral
right
old pivot
I do not want a 40% WR player testing a tank, I want the tank to be tested on a separate server from the public server, can you understand that?
@solid gate
wise moth
You know what I mean; the claim he’s making is not an opinion, so I am free to say that he is wrong.
onyx coral
if you are going 100m
covert spruce
The hetzer shouldn't have been nerfed change my mind
solid gate
@old pivot. What you want is irrelevant. The testing is what it is.
wise moth
@old pivot It already has been tested on a separate test server; all new tanks are in the first stage of the balance process
onyx coral
should we just have a mute in place and move on?
hollow moth
So why don't show this test server for others?
wise moth
Not many people have access to it. I think it’s just some WG employees and other selected people
solid gate
We all have equal ability to test these tanks.
Step 1. Git Gud
Step 2. Join a top clan
covert spruce
wise moth
@hollow moth I know that all you want is a chance to play the tanks, but you’re going to have to accept the fact that WG doesn’t care about your input, both statistically and opinion-wise when it comes to balancing new tanks. End of story
night kelp
look like racing tank
solid gate
@covert spruce. Care to explain how that is relevant to the discussion or the channel as a whole?
covert spruce
Idk
solid gate
I didn't think so. How about take that to #blitz-memes where it belongs.
hollow moth
Sorry for the word but it looks like a trash company with good games like EA
wise moth
WG interacts with the community a lot more than most publishers/developers. The fact that there’s even a community test program to start with is amazing
old pivot
"interacts"
hollow moth
I never see WG interacts with community, if you are an war gaming worker so they really interact
solid gate
I'm sorry if the way that Wargaming chooses to manage this free to play game isn't to your liking. Perhaps you should quit?
old pivot
@wise moth :0 community test program, talk more about
wise moth
WG gives us info on new content months in advance; and they regularly discuss with people on the forums as well. @old pivot the community test program is just WG having the top players test tanks, which you hate so much.
hollow moth
Lol who is here for help us said i should quit the game, incredible
wise moth
Also, they do sometimes bring community feedback into account in their decisions
old pivot
I think it's funny to call this a community test program.
solid gate
I didn't tell you to quit. I said if you don't like the way they manage the game perhaps you should quit.
Personally if I'm not happy with something I stop partaking in it.
wise moth
For example the +/-15% RNG changes, were purely based on community feedback, and also the Kpfpz 70 buffs, which WG believes weren’t needed, but did anyway because the community clamors for them
@old pivot How so? It’s members of the community testing things. How is that not a community test program? Just because you didn’t get picked as a member of the community, doesn’t make it an inaccurate descriptor
solid gate
Anyway. This topic is getting heated and it is time to move on. Let it go or I'll invite the moderators to join us. @old pivot @hollow moth
hollow moth
Ok i will stop, or you will call moderators for make me shut up
Lol🙃
solid gate
Your choice
old pivot
a threat is a good alternative, goodbye
hollow moth
Sorry but what choice? Shut up or shut up? Lol (ok i will stop)
hollow moth
Hi, do you want to silence who only want some answers? We have a different opinions about test a tank and if you don't like it, sorry i will quit the server right now
pulsar sinew
There’s no excuse to be rude
You seem biased enough against the company despite not knowing any people that work for them
hollow moth
Sorry if you thinked i was rude, I'm talking with you like i talk with my friends
But where they force you to shut up or they will kick you, this area isn't for me
pulsar sinew
We haven’t done that
You’re not muted
Or kicked
The server isn’t designed to censor people with various opinions
solid gate
There is a huge difference in stating a point and beating a dead horse.
pulsar sinew
But 1: you got answers
And 2: you’re being rude
The top clans get testing rights because they earned them
I don’t know what’s confusing about that
solid gate
And because WG can count on them for giving proper feedback
pulsar sinew
I want the best people in the game giving tank feed back. Not the light tank that yolos 20 seconds in
There’s maybe 100 people per server testing
wise moth
Probably closer to 50 @pulsar sinew
solid gate
And those best people have to know the game and how it works like the back of their hand
pulsar sinew
Even that sounds generous
hollow moth
"The top clans get testing rights because they earned them"
Ohh finally a good answer!
And again if you think i was rude, sorry but I'm talking to you like i talk to my friends
solid gate
Can’t tell if that’s sarcasm or not but ok
hollow moth
It's not sarcasm
pulsar sinew
So then let’s move on
hollow moth
Ok
Bye
Ohhh one last question, it's the last this week i promise, when they will add the tank for everyone?
solid gate
Sometime in 6.0 or 6.1 is when the clipbarns line will be released. That’s all we know at this point
wise moth
4005 will likely be tech tree
pulsar sinew
Fv4005 will be a tech tree line from most likely the firefly
wise moth
None of this is 100%, but this is based off the information that we have from WG so far
old pivot
:0
pulsar sinew
@old pivot are you going to behave?
old pivot
look
thanks for your answers, I still do not agree 100%, but the human being is like this, sorry for any inconvenience. @pulsar sinew
okay?
fossil violet
😬 oh boy
pulsar sinew
You can disagree all you want
The answers we gave you are the real answers
So idk what more you want
old pivot
I understand the facts, but I do not agree with them and I ended up letting myself go, I learned from this, again sorry for any inconvenience, but it is what it is.
thanks, bye @pulsar sinew
dense horizon
stark siren
if we're comparing just tier 6 jpiv is way better
fossil axle
French tanks are superior
[End of discussion]
wraith breach
Nashhorn and Emil are both a bit rough, but the Rhm. is god
full kiln
Hey guys, i”ll let you pick from 2 options. Please help me with your best opinion.
Option 1: Buy a T54 ltwt and sell the MT-25.
Option 2: Wait to get enough creds for the ltwt and let the MT-25 stay until i get the AC IV Sentinel which i can use to grind creds as it is a premium tank.
calm inlet
2
vivid lagoon
2
calm inlet
you don't need the lightweight rn
full kiln
Notes: im doing better in the MT-25 and i dont know if ill be good in the ltwt
calm inlet
this game is all about patience
vivid lagoon
2
full kiln
hm..... but my ltwt is stock
vivid lagoon
U need some back up in the ltwt
full kiln
im doing good in the MT-25 with a decent 62% wr in 262 battles
full kiln
i am in asia, but since you guys picked option 2....
ill do option 2 and grind the sentinel with the 1 day of premium that i have.
Thanks for the advice guys, i better get going, mums making me run a few errands
vivid lagoon
Lol
valid lodge
Don't betray your MT-25
fossil fulcrum
Is it an good idea to buy the IS-6?
solid gate
@fossil fulcrum No. that tank has gone straight from bully to victim as more and more T8 prems come out. buy the Lowe instead, 2 times over the IS-6.
onyx coral
Lowe or T34 are your best bets
IMO it was the update of the IS-3 that nailed the IS-6 to be power creeped
surreal estuary
how many tanks are there in wot
stark siren
Over 9000!!!! XDD
surreal estuary
no but seriously
stark siren
lololol im serious
wheat glacier
Like, 476 I think. Total. But I don't know. In WOT, not WOT Blitz
surreal estuary
oh ok
wheat glacier
Should I work to get the Pz. lV G, or the Leopard?
surreal estuary
speed 4 leopard
stark siren
whats your end goal
wheat glacier
Thicker armor.
surreal wadi
Sweedish ones
surreal estuary
like that
surreal estuary
this one
hollow moth
Is the Pz. IV Schmalturm stronger than AC IV sentinel?
near forge
@hollow moth Depends on the driver, and the loadouts. I know I've ripped apart Sents in my Pz IV S., but they weren't really trying
lethal rock
I'd prefer the Pz. 4 S
hollow moth
I see
near forge
As do I, it's a solid vehicle in capable hands
hollow moth
Is the sentinel worth his challenge?
near forge
The Sentinel is very much worth the challenge, as it's an excuse to grind XP for tech tree tanks
It also prints credits like a madman, pretty good for grinding tech tree tanks
near forge
@hollow moth That's the spirit :P
But really, it's a decent vehicle if you know how to play it and what your strengths/weaknesses are
hollow moth
Thx @near forge
near forge
Don't mention it
pastel drum
@near forge next time he will remember not to mention it and be impolite. xD 🙃
near forge
No, I don't care. i like helping other players the way other players helped me. I pry would still be bumbling around in T5 without the guidance of this discord server XD
sand wagon
Can you kinda buff jpanther armour no matter what for me regardless of my camo I get spotted and I'm basically 0% chance of living because of the worst armour with 80 on the front where everybody can shoot the front of it and killing my tank even if I try to angle it is trash.
wraith breach
Gotta use that gun depression and case mate my dude @sand wagon
left anvil
And then still not leave spawn after your spotted even tho your team has been calling u vulgar names since 2:00 into the game
inland osprey
The Jagdpanther is not actually well armored in game so better snipe with it.
calm inlet
it is definitely very strong
full kiln
As well as a powered engine, its op
weak narwhal
U say 1500 dmg like its good dmg.....
full kiln
well, im saying 1500 damage is a good start but even more after that, its good enough
have been playing only about 20 battles into the t54 ltwt
so pls dont judge if i get some stuff wrong hehe 😛
obtuse basin
Wait Till puppy protection wears off. Then you get tracks killed with dmg and are unable to Hit broadside of a barn...
vivid lagoon
@full kiln have u seen a SU101 in your travels in ur t54 ltwt?
solid gate
Hey what's more worth it the jagdtiger pak 88 or the su 122 44
short flame
no one
vivid lagoon
If u want DPM go jagd...if u want alpha go su122-44 @solid gate
vivid lagoon
Maybe... Nah sorry it's 11pm @full kiln
reef gorge
How much would the KPFZ. 70 cost
solid gate
why did someone delete it?
pastel drum
@solid gate delete what?
solid gate
my screen shot of the bundle of E25
left mural
So question to those out there who know tanks real well. About to finish the Maus line. I’m looking at restarting the Obj 268 line (got to the su152). Is that a decent line?
valid lodge
Can we get cruel twist to go on sale next week? That'd be splendid if wg did.
calm stratus
Absolutely stunning, a 152mm that doesn't do 600 reliably
A must buy, definitely
Amazing marketing
Nice meme
fiery agate
So it is the German T30 with a little more speed but less alpha?
inland osprey
And less pen.
Other than that I think they are more or less similar.
lament smelt
Should I buy the löwe?
covert spruce
Idk I got mine from a huge container
lament smelt
I have the gold but how good is it
covert spruce
It is a decent tank but there other good ones as well
lament smelt
Does it make lots of credits? An average for a win?
covert spruce
I haven't really checked the average but it might be around 20000
vague berry
Lowe does make profit,and if you play it right you can really make bank.thats with high pen values as premuim generally make good profit since you barely have the need to use gold
west cargo
tranquil palm
@west cargo looks like your op
agile burrow
Anyone got any tips on how to play stock T54E1?
solid gate
I’d say to free XP the top gun, but if you can’t, load some prem shells, always fight at medium distance and stick with the team
agile burrow
I don’t have the creds to afford premium shells
solid gate
Well, have you got a premium tank? If not, there is some good tech tree credit grinders. I heard BDR G1 B and Crusader were good ones, but I don’t really know, you can check tanks' credit coefficient on the internet. Also you can use the credit boosters that you can earn often by missions or containers
neat glacier
Is the M6A2E1 a good tank for agressive gameplay?
agile burrow
I have T-34-85 Rudy and IS-5
solid gate
Yes, thanks to great frontal armor and good gun. Be careful not to expose your flanks as they’re really thin @neat glacier
calm stratus
@fiery agate @inland osprey
And less gundepression
neat glacier
Yea I am thinking of that or the Su 122 44 @solid gate
solid gate
how to play T-43?
calm stratus
W
solid gate
SU-122-44 is good too but lacks a bit penetration. The quick reload makes up for it though. Be sure to pack 3-5 APCR shells in case you meet a Löwe or a VK 100.01 P
calm stratus
And some A and D
solid gate
But mostly Ж
Wow how did you write that
I wanna do same
Plz tell me
Are you on phone or on computer
calm stratus
Yeah, you melon
short raptor
@calm stratus It should be like it is in real life, with a missile launcher, a top speed of 69 KM/HR forwards AND backwards, and 10 degrees of gun depression over the front XD
short raptor
Yeah, that IS annoying. Honestly, another degree of gun depression and better reload would not go amiss
short raptor
Because it being kinda faster and with slightly better armor than the T30 apparently means it gets 3 degrees less gun depression, 80 less alpha, and a slightly slower reload
calm stratus
If it had a 300mm effective turret front, 330mm lower plate, 175mm upper plate
Proper 152mm
And not so awful gundepression
At the cost of some mobility and reload (but no DPM loss)
calm stratus
Or even better, give it its REAL armour
Turret front being 130mm to 33mm on the frontal arc, with a 38mm spaced armour covering it and127mm of air in between
And upper plate 46mm + 34mm with 127mm of air in between
calm inlet
6 degrees isn't too bad
calm stratus
Yes, its lower plate is 330mm effective IRL
calm inlet
especially considering how low to the ground
calm stratus
Germans putting all the armour in the lower plate
Now where have I seen that before?
calm stratus
Oh right, VK 45.02 A
calm inlet
im almost at 2400 average damage and im at 64% wr
i want 2450 and 66%
so i got my work cut out
hey, not saying the VK 45.02 A is balanced lol. you basically have to play it as a slow medium
calm stratus
Well, the lower plate is 76mm thick
But it's angled at 64 degrees
But I wouldn't complain if it had a little worse mobility for that spaced armour front
Just to trigger all the HEAT spammers
And if it didn't have this
WG this isn't part of the tank...
The 20mm nest is fully armoured ffs, on the inside too
onyx coral
well it had to have a weak spot somewhere for all its speed and armor
calm stratus
It does tho
Points everywhere on the hull
onyx coral
yeah well this is what you usually do when playing it
peak a corner
if they go for the tracks, they will hit, but usually they don't
front on, yeah the upper plate is flimsy compared to other T9 heavies
hollow notch
It is just an is8 with more alpha
desert cargo
Lowe equipment loadout and play style? Just got one out of a crate lol
calm inlet
drive forward, angle sharply, dont miss with your laser gun
wise moth
Rammer/Improved Modules/Optics/GLD/Improved assembly/Engine Accelerator/Vert Stan for equipment
And for playstyle, just play hulldown, angle, and hope for the best
desert cargo
I wonder how it compares to the t34
hollow notch
it has hull armor
wise moth
löwe has more DPM, accuracy and hull armor at the expense of alpha, pen, mobility, and less turret armor
wise moth
Fairly similar IMO; even though it has more hull armor, you still want to play it hulldown, and both lack mobility overall
desert cargo
Yeh ig
wise moth
The hull armor makes it a little better at surviving in non-hull down positions, but you still want to play it from a hulldown
desert cargo
t34 feels hit or miss to me
I either have really good games or I just do horrible
Idk why I like meds more but I do better statistically in heavies
calm inlet
@wise moth yeah cuz we just learned how strong that mantlet really is :))
wise moth
@calm inlet Ah yes; I did this two days ago after I found out lol
I think he traded me in return, but he stopped peeking after that lol
calm inlet
hehehe
tulip sail
Isu?
wise moth
Yeah; but the SU-100M1 can do it too lol
And some other TDs if they run CS; you need like 290-300mm+ pen to do it reliably
tulip sail
Lol nice and good to know
wise moth
It shows as red, but you can still do it lol
tulip sail
Lol nice
vivid lagoon
Is that the gun mantlet? Or the hatch? @wise moth
wise moth
@vivid lagoon The mantlet lol
calm inlet
oh yeah, the cupola is actually a viable target
full kiln
Guys, whats better? Getting a panther first before the AC IV Sentinel or getting the AC IV sentinel first before the panther?
inland osprey
Is the Sentinel credit income similar to the Lowe?
brisk orbit
no?
solar sapphire
hola
wraith breach
Lower tier premiums tend to not be able to compete with the T8 premiums
unless you own a Shinobi 👀
azure tree
AMX M4 49 is disgustingly good.
Best pick up I've ever done, and I bought a bunch of prems.
jade geyser
@wraith breach or an Angry Connor 👀
vivid lagoon
@full kiln u playing now?
lean plaza
Will the fv4004 Conway have the derp gun? If so, does it have Hesh?
full kiln
Oh my schnitzel, my panther held its ground and died
Oops, wrong convo
Shouldve put this in #screenshots
dire plover
What's the price of the KpfPz 70 and E25 bundle? I heard that the price on Android is different from the Apple App Store... It's about 46 USD on the Apple App Store, is there a difference on the Google Play Store?
wraith breach
Both take 30%. Honestly a really bad value, highly recommend not buying @dire plover
dire plover
@wraith breach But the KpfPz 7p is not too bad right?
fiery crown
I got an offer of 5000 kpf70 charms a few days back and it was a way good offer in all I got it for the same value as 8500 gold package with six equipments unlocked already
tough totem
Is it possible buffing the tiger 1 armor?
pastel drum
@tough totem NO!!! Tiger 1 is already a great tank
tough totem
Its kinda hard time for me to survive. I am great playing tiger 1 but their is soo much new prem tank that can pen tiger1 armor.
rigid thunder
literally every tank you see at tiers 6-8 will pen your frontal armour, premium or not.
tough totem
Thats why if possible to buff a little on tiger 1 armor
rigid thunder
it doesn't rely on its armour. The turret is effective at times, and sidescraping will give you some success. The gun stats and speed more than make up for the weak protection
improving the armour will just push the tiger 1 into the side of being overpowered
bold zenith
Yeah
worthy sparrow
Who wants to give kv1_S better armor?
stark siren
Tiger has a great gun and nice mobility
worthy sparrow
And too good armor
rigid thunder
the KV-1S doesn't need more armour, it has a 122mm gun on a tier 6 HT
full kiln
Dang haha look camped in corner of map and sniped them at 540+ m
German bias
Just wanted to flex it right here
bold zenith
better than doing 0 dmg
bold zenith
Grille NEdds a bUfF
gritty bay
What medium tank is a good toon partner with a super Pershing?
bold zenith
Any really
gritty bay
👌
valid lodge
At15 platoon.
Good decision or nah?
stark siren
nah
raven socket
@valid lodge Bad idea. Haha 😂
hollow notch
gr8 idea. op dpm
raven socket
AT 15 were a not so bad tank but still not so great idea becoz 2 Tds. Lol, why not one TD like the AT 15 or other tanks? Why nd both AT 15 ? 😂
valid lodge
Was just thinking about that dpm
raven socket
Oic
solid gate
It's Kind of op in some Situations. U just need to ankle it a bit, stay 2nd line or first line if u have to and ur gonna out-dpm any other Tank.
But it will pribat suck if u play it like typical td and try to snipe
*probably
tulip sail
Hmmm maybe I'll buy it with the crates
stark siren
It's not a great tank because its limited by mobility and alpha
Su-122-44 is a more enjoyable tank
solid gate
But I think the su tier7 td Premium is the better.Choice
I don't have it but many people say its fun and its fast with decent armor
solid gate
how to put a camouflage win by missions in android
carmine crow
How do you get the Sherman Jumbo? Is it premium?
tulip sail
Collector and they sell it
tulip sail
Not since they made it a collector
carmine crow
:/
tulip sail
Lol it's a fun tank and is great for the collection
valid coral
I want my GC back 😦
formal sierra
The WZ- 120 (tier 9 medium) just keeps getting better and better, I'm loving this thing to death, @pulsar sinew thanks for your helpful hints on it
fringe notch
@valid coral you could put in a ticket to restore it? I actually saw one in a game today (Asia server), for the first time in a long while
valid coral
@fringe notch I saw at least 2 in the past month in the NA server. I already tried, but before I even sent it, it told me I needed gold to restore a collector and I needed to wait approximately 365 days since my last request for a tank restoration. I restored a tank back when Update 5.5 came around, so it's not due yet. Besides, I don't have gold for the restoration. I have 200 at the moment, just from the game itself. And I don't use any money on this game. I want my GC back because I really liked it, even though the community in both the original game and in Blitz hate this tank. But I rank 163 in it (I think on the server or Blitz in general). My win rate is 61% in the GC, and is one of my top three tanks in wn8. I really liked this tank and hoping one day I can get it back. Btw, I liked this tank so much, I bypassed the AT 8 and went the GC route. God, I shouldn't of sold it.
fringe notch
Any tips on running the T37?
calm inlet
yeah. run the autoloading gun, and relocate to different areas of the map when on the long reload. try not to stay in one position for a while, your alpha burst could be useful elsewhere unless you're just dumping clip after clip into the enemy
valid coral
I've been doing it wrong the whole time.
calm inlet
the whole line is about the autoloader, otherwise there's better lights or mediums with single shot guns
short flame
bulldog with single shot is amazing.
ember atlas
Hey guys help me out, I am confused. Bought obj704 and it is already fully upgraded. Crew is 75% and the standard ammo layout is 24HE and 7 AP. Now here is my question: is this than supposed to shoot HE like the KV-2does or what?
Just to make sure I have changed the ammo layout to 10AP, 10 prammo and 10 HE.
What is your opinion and ammo layout?
rigid thunder
you're using the 152mm BL-10, right?
vivid lagoon
Probably
ripe wind
What is the best British Premium tank?
pastel drum
Cromwell B
ripe wind
thats avaiable to buy rn
pastel drum
The tech tree premium tanks are not really that good
ripe wind
so which is better
sentinel or at 15a
solid gate
I regret not buying the gravedigger 😢
pastel drum
idk. Do not have AT15A
ember atlas
@rigid thunder yes I use the 152mm BL-10 gun
rigid thunder
@ember atlas Then no, this gun is different in playstyle of the KV-2's 152mm. It has very high AP and gold ammo pen, HE shells should be reserved for paper german TDs
ember atlas
How was your ammo layout
inland osprey
You should probably bring 10 HE, 15 AP and 5 prammo imo.
Since it has insane AP penetration and its HE can't really pen much tanks except maybe some lights and the German Waffentragers.
I don't have the Obj 704 btw.
rigid thunder
^^^ same, but judging from the gameplay I've seen on both wotpc and blitz, your ammo loadout should be mostly AP and gold rounds, with a few HE
hoary matrix
@inland osprey the Pz.IV.s, Cromwell B are better premiums for grinding
@rigid thunder except for KV2...
rigid thunder
??
hoary matrix
u said most tanks in pc have AP but the KV2 has full HE
solid gate
The tiger 2 is the worst tier 8 heavy I think it might deserve a buff
inland osprey
Well the Tiger II did get powercreeped a lot
hollow moth
I thinked AC IV Sentinel was better, the turret look like strong but the gun don't have a "perfect reload" for the dmg, it's faster than Pz. IV Schmalturm but his hull protection it's almost useless
The Sentinel is good for emu war, but not good in a face to face fight with an aleatory tier 6
Sentinel's HP is better than Pz. IV schmalturm for 20 points or almost it, but it's a lot of difference between their reloads
Pz. IV schmalturm: 4.4 secs
AC IV Sentinel: 5.2 secs
fiery crown
I think Pz4 schmalturm is best tier 6 med that dpm and nice gun handling troll turret ....10deg of gun dep.....really like that tank
solid gate
Op armour and good alpha dmg
raven rampart
Only armour except that hatch and lower belly
@solid gate idk why I have a high lose rate in vk
solid gate
I am really happy to have got in time the M4A1 Revalorisé, it's a very good tank, mobility top notch and gun is amazing, it's a Lowe without armor but more mobility, got a nice credit coefficient, about 180%, like the Type 59. Yeah, best used 8k gold of my life after Kpfpz 70
fossil violet
you can't even get the M60 anymore @solid gate
raven socket
What what!!! M60 tier X medium tank?
@solid gate Thought it was the M46 Patton tank
K
left anvil
@solid gate lol you are literally one of the first I’ve seen say anything positive about that tank. I disagree completely with every point you make but carry on over there. Be happy and keep those happy vibes rolling in butterfly land
solid gate
@left anvil i understand it's complicated to use initially, but believe me, after you set up the right combo of equipments and provisions, it's a real beast, and the gun mantlet actually saved me from death in 3 battles today 😀
rigid thunder
"mobility is top notch"
left anvil
Of course. It will bounce shots hull down. The difficulty is the accuracy, penetration, dpm, and then the second u are no long in a position to farm ur dead after 1 shot on the horrendous reload. Another 105 gun with only 310 alpha. The fact is you can have great games in it. But you have to play it like a German paper td
Oh ya. Mobility sucks, worst in class
rigid thunder
actually 8.42s isn't a horrendous reload for a tier 8 MT
in PC yes the reload is bad but it's compensated by a 390 alpha dmg shot
left anvil
Uh huh. I bought it because I do love the tank. I’m hoping for a buff tho
solid gate
@rigid thunder maybe stats are not so great, maybe it's me, maybe it's the fact I mostly own heavies (that made me choose over the AMX M4 49), but for me that Sherman is a great support tank
rigid thunder
should've gotten the M4 49
left anvil
You could do 2k damage a game with a skateboard like Bushka would say if you can play the game. I would not take this into a tournament ever
solid gate
@rigid thunder yes it's a great tank, I tried it on a friend's account, but I feel the Sherman quite more reliable to do the job, but that's only my opinion, it is not a universal view :)
left anvil
But @solid gate If this is your only medium tank. Wait till you discover the Russian meds. You will be in love
solid gate
@left anvil I own the T-54 mod. 1 and T26E4, practically heavies :D
left anvil
T-54 mod 1 is great but both of those are heavy mediums which are very slow
solid gate
I hope they resell the Type 62, I am waiting for it to have a fast firing light tank
left anvil
You need like the t-44 or t-34-2 or something to get the spd. Even the Type 59 is a bit sluggish but still much better
The t-54ltwt is greased lighting
It’s is fantastic
solid gate
@left anvil I owned the ltwt some time ago, good tank yes
solid gate
@left anvil true, but I never expected a French stick like the Sherman at Tier 8 to bounce anything :,)
left anvil
I hope for the turret bounce but can never quite count on it. I bought it knowing I’m not going to do well in it and I’m just hoping for a buff
static mountain
Any tips or videos on the IS-3 Defender? I'm not doing very well with it
solid gate
It could use any buff, I don't mind, but for me, it's a great tank, funny also 😊
@static mountain on YouTube there's plenty of gameplays, I can't tell you how to use a Defender because I don't own any, but I suggest supporting and brawling unloading the clip and then hiding for reload. That's the common tactic for autoloaders
static mountain
@solid gate
Thanks for the response, I'll look onto YT more... My WR is not bad but I don't do as much damage as I should be doing
elder rapids
Should I go for the WZ-121 or the WZ-113
static mountain
Go for the WZ-113, it's quite good @elder rapids
elder rapids
Ok thank you @static mountain
static mountain
It's my pleasure (=
jade geyser
Anyone got tips for Chinese IS-2? Also the T-34-1, they are my two least liked tier 7s, but I have to play through to get the T-34-2 and WZ-110
bold zenith
T110E5 needs a buff even though it’s a decent tank... getting powercreeped by big heavies like IS4. To be honest the turret is no stronger than STB1, all they gotta do is spam pramo, goes right through the cheeks
dim sail
@jade geyser t-34-1 is probably the best tier 7 med in the game
jade geyser
I dunno, I know I did really well in the T43, got a 7 kill game with it even, but the T-34-1, it’s got a nice turret and gun, but for some reason I’m just wrapping my head around its play style, hence when I’m not enjoying it, The IS-2 tho is for sure crappy, I checked it’s maxed out stats against the IS and KV-3, and it’s very much so inferior to those two
dim sail
Yeah is 2 is worst tier 7 heavy in the game
jade geyser
Yeah, can’t wait to move past IS-2
dim sail
Just one to grind through an dthen sell at the end
jade geyser
Hoping WZ-110 is better, cause I hate the IS-2 rn
left anvil
Rudy is heck of a good tier 7
dim sail
@jade geyser yh it has the same armour profile as is 5 just better DPM and gun handling and less side armour
And less alpha
left anvil
Huge front lower plate. Side scrap like ur life depends on it
jade geyser
Ok, I’m not too into Bushka, last I checked he’s said tanks were good when they weren’t and he’s said they sucked when they didn’t, I’ll have to check the paper stats of T-34-1 against the other tier 7 meds to know for sure
dim sail
It's good at trading shots and has a strong turret Nd it's hull can bounce occasionally
jade geyser
But take the Panther for example, I could stomp a T-34-1 with a Panther if I wanted to
dim sail
If the t34 1 played it smart and played peekaboom them it would be different
jade geyser
It depends, cause if the Panther is smart, he’s gonna sidescrape and bounce the T-34-1
dim sail
It's all situational
jade geyser
It is, but I don’t enjoy the T-34-1 nonetheless
left anvil
Isn’t it a bit slow?
wise moth
@jade geyser Uh, only 40%er Panthers are going to attempt to sidescrape with 50mm of upper side hull armor, and 40mm lower side hull armor. Especially in such a long tank with high traverse it's insanely easy to overangle and make yourself an easy pen. Moreover, you can't actually deal damage with the Panther in a sidescraping position. You have to expose pretty much half the front (which is also an easy pen) to shoot even at a perfect 70 degree angle. Moreover, by sidescraping, you're effectively making it a shot for shot trade, and with Panther's abyssmal 160 damage per shot, that's never going to work out; especially against the 100mm armed T-34-1.
In a straight 1v1, the Panther's best choice is actually to rush the T-34-1, and use his superior DPM/HP pool and try to get in some ram damage. The other option of course would be to hide from a long distance and hope the T-34-1 makes a mistake.
jade geyser
Ok, it’s just that I love sidescraping in German tanks and I’ve actually figured out how to do it quite well to the degree that when I had the VK 30.02 M, I bounced a shot from the American T34 back when +2/-2 was still around, but yeah, I do agree a 40%er is gonna screw up sidescraping
And yes, the Panther has to utilize its insanely better dpm to really beat a T-34-1, it’s how I started doing well in the Black Prince, I figured out how to use its dpm and made it stomp everything in its path
wise moth
Even a pro player is probably going to mess up sidescraping in a Panther. That's why you only see them sidescrape in tanks where there's lots of margin for error like Maus or IS-4
jade geyser
I get that, never said I do it perfectly, but it does often work more in my favor than not considering how many noobs play the game currently
wise moth
I think you're underestimating noob's ability to point and click
jade geyser
I also just got done comparing all the tier 7 mediums, the T-34-1 really only outclasses the T-20 and probably the T43, but tanks like the Chi Ri, Panther and Comet outclass the T-34-1 in terms of firepower
visual kestrel
Kpfz70 he need a buff
jade geyser
And no, I’m not underestimating them, yes they can point and click and they can hit, but I can’t even count how many times I’ve fooled them
Pretty much every tier 7 tank out dpms the T-34-1, I just compared to the premiums too, they would all out dpm a T-34-1
wise moth
Sure other tanks have more DPM than the T-34-1, but the alpha damage of the T-34-1 makes it much easier to realize the full potential of that DPM. Other tanks like Chi Ri and Panther have to expose themselves much longer and much more frequently than T-34-1 to use their DPM; whereas T-34-1 has to peek far less frequently. On top of this, T-34-1 can peek much more safely with it's nearly invincible turret
Not many tanks at tier 7 can boast a nearly invincible turret like T-34-1, and coupled with its low profile, any little depression can make T-34-1 a very dangerous opponent
solid gate
Sneak 100
jade geyser
I just realized, my bouncing the American T34 in my VK 30.02 M never shoulda happened cause the side armor is 40 mm while the T34 gun is 120mm making it triple the thickness of the side armor meaning it should have auto penned, kinda odd really now that I think about it
But that’s a side note, just realized that just now
wise moth
@jade geyser Actually it's still possible because T34 needs a 121mm gun to fully triple overmatch the 40mm side
nova solar
So you guys know a good platoon tank that fits good with vk72 cause i cant trust my amx 30b to get rid of a leo pta thats right next to him
jade geyser
Ok, maybe RNG saved me then? Cause on technicality he has triple, I dunno, just seems kinda odd to me
But anyway, my point is, I don’t see how the T-34-1 is truly the best medium, because it’s not like every map allows you to hull down with it, like urban maps basically give the T-34-1 the middle finger to its turret armor
wise moth
There's no such thing as a map with no hull down cover; and even when there's not hull down cover immediately available, T-34-1 still has the mobility to create crossfires, and trade well with its 280 alpha
calm inlet
even Himmelsdorf has hull down cover
tawny cargo
Whats the Worst tier X heavy?From this list?
IS-7
VK
MAUS
E100
IS-4
twilit wigeon
VK
tawny cargo
Im for IS-7
fiery crown
Vk
solid gate
Nerf the smasher!
mellow stump
Anyone know what grind path I should take for the KV-1s?
dim sail
Is 4 line
short flame
@tawny cargo is7 and vk are the worst, maus e100 and is4 are op
valid lodge
Sadly Is-7 is my only tier X
Fortunately i don't play tier x often
jade geyser
IS-7 does well if played like a medium with terrible traverse, it can really only bully mediums and lights and lower tier tanks
calm inlet
113 does that better
arctic apex
Is 113 worth researching?
jade geyser
@calm inlet Of course it would, it has better stats, but the IS-7 does BETTER being a heavium than being a regular heavy tbh
arctic apex
@calm inlet im on the STI and thought maybe the 113 is a better choice?
I have e100, e50, is7, t62, e4, 183, 263
Thanks
hollow moth
Tanks*
wraith bough
Is4 or Maus
calm inlet
IS-4
solid gate
Maus Cheese Eater xd
solid gate
I'll do a tank of clay.
Tell me which one I should do lol
valid lodge
Hetzer
faint holly
according to some ww2 tank site, the KV-1S was a "failure"
solid gate
Failure is the tank site lol
valid coral
Lol.
wise moth
Man all these people ripping on my beloved IS-7
IS-7 is great; works exactly as advertised in pubs. Great mobility for a heavy, solid armor when played hulldown, and solid 460 alpha. When it comes to aggressive play, few tanks can really match the IS-7
tulip sail
The kv1s was a failure
calm inlet
nahhh
calm inlet
basically think of it like an autoloader. dump the shell, rotate to new position. 175 pen so you can basically aim center mass on most tanks, which helps the poor accuracy. its really fast too, you should rely on the ability to relocate rather than trusting the armor to save you @tulip sail
tulip sail
Lol wrong person
fringe notch
@faint holly KV-1S had less armour than KV-1, to reduce weight and improve mobility.
wraith breach
Can’t wait for the Smasher to get the nerf hammer.
The armour is complete BS on that thing, along with the gun stats outperforming the IS while also being FASTER.
quasi mirage
the only med tank at t7 that can outbrawl me in a t-34-1 is a comet. Anything else I can just trade dmg for distance or get within 1-2 meters and just sidehug em. Comet has the gun depression to hit the side hull tho. T-34-1 is the best t7 med. Sure its dpm is meh but its pen +alpha compensates for that. The gun handling isn't that bad either for a 280 dmg at t7
@wise moth I find the is7 the best toon tank for an amx 50b. Has enough speed and armor to help cover the amx. Sure the 113 actually has the same mobility as the 50b but the 113's armor is much more defensive than offensive
valid lodge
I prefer Excelsior, Connor, and Wolverine
faint holly
@fringe notch yes thats what the site said about kv1s
less armour so it can have better mobility
but ended up being a let down irl
worthy sparrow
And takes 400 hp
faint holly
how much hp does kv-1s have
worthy sparrow
Maybe 900
faint holly
hmph
twilit wigeon
it has 960 and 1020 with Improved Assembly
faint holly
imagine if WoTB made the Maus as fast as a Leopard
top 10 most terrifying things ever
me trying to be better than Wargaming
"so far so good"
wargaming: laughing hysterically
dreamy lantern
@faint holly oh wow ,look at those details man 😦
faint holly
its a freaking masterpiece
dreamy lantern
Mona Lisa is nothing
faint holly
its just like the real thing
dreamy lantern
No ,it's even better than the real thing
faint holly
its heaven
dreamy lantern
It's a gift from God
faint holly
god has blessed us
dreamy lantern
No doubt
But in order to have such blessing from the holy heavens ,we must pay the price of not being able to play it :(
faint holly
oh well
when i actually manage to make it, you can regen health and can call in air or infantry support
idea of air support seems to basically be a waste-your-regen-until-player-kills-you
misty wing
113 could use a couple more degrees per second of traverse, would make it more comfortable to play but won’t be OP
pastel drum
@misty wing are you talking about WZ 113. It is already a great vehicle, no need for buffs
misty wing
Yes it’s good but no one wants to play a supposedly fast heavy that turns like a boat, just give it like 5 degrees more and it’ll be more playable but not making it OP
Also can we have the Somua SM in the game pls
vivid lagoon
7k away from SU 122 54
vague berry
Su101 was a nice tank to play and espiecally when u have a toon.you just outbrawl meds and barely aim with the 340 heat pen that it has
tender sundial
I'm on wz110 for the 113 grind. 110 is fun I hope the 113 is as good
But that 26~ traverse sounds really bad
And that's maxed
thick trout
It has a nice gun and frontal armour which make up for it
solid gate
Nooo, i wanted the Type 62 alone, without the other two Chinese tanks, it's offered only in bundle with Glacial 112 and WZ Blaze in shop... Damn WG, couldn't you do one more offer with the Type alone
tulip sail
Wait is the blaze sold alone?(I cant get on rn)
solid gate
I see it alone in shop for 5500 gold
tulip sail
Nice
grizzled remnant
blaze worth the gold?
grave inlet
Why play blaze when helsing is just better
olive ridge
Because they don’t sell the helsing in the store....
grave inlet
That’s why be like me and get it during Halloween 2016
olive ridge
I did....
grave inlet
Gud fer u
olive ridge
So the answer to your question is obvious...
solid gate
I have the SU-122-44, how does it compare next to the WZ Blaze?
calm stratus
But 112 is better than IS-5 by a lot
olive ridge
112-2 is better then both 😘
grave inlet
Oo
calm stratus
Don't you mean Kirovets-1?
grave inlet
Ur talking about that tank
Well to me my fav is is2sh simply cos it has 7 degrees of gun dep
And that I don’t have the is3d
calm stratus
IS-2Sh has garbage armour
grave inlet
Ya but it has 7 degrees of gun dep
grave inlet
But it has the best armor
calm stratus
Wrong, as usual
grave inlet
Among those 3
calm stratus
Glacial can angle
grave inlet
Lower plate is far too weak
calm stratus
Hide it you melon
grave inlet
U can hide is5 lower plate and it will do well if not better I feel
calm stratus
And using that -6° you can make 112 front completely impenetrable
calm stratus
900 isn't very bad lmao
calm stratus
Why would either fire at anything but facehug range?
They just lack the gunhandling
grave inlet
1400 makes guns just feel so good
calm stratus
I remember when 900 was a lot
grave inlet
Too many tier 8 Heavy prems now lol
calm stratus
Too many tier 8 prems spamming 122 APCR
calm stratus
You mean FV4202?
grave inlet
Interesting choice
calm stratus
But the noob proof tier X med is T-62A
grave inlet
If I’m objectively speaking it’s probably e50m but my favorite is m48
neat bison
E-50M
fantastic choice, currently the best imho
grave inlet
The T62a tho why do people still do bad in it
Generally speaking people just do better in 140
calm stratus
Well, until they do this
neat bison
because they expect that its like a T-54
and it isnt, its nothing like the T-54, the 140 is the true tier X T-54
neat bison
you dont stop in a 140, heck you shouldnt stop on any med, wiggling and hard cover is top priority even for a 50m/Fatton
grave inlet
Lol
neat bison
the 4202 is the defacto medium damage dealer, its pretty good at just about crapping at anyone whos stupid enough to give it HESH shots
calm stratus
Also did a 550 to a 140 in that game
neat bison
its not as popular as the railgun 62 though because people cant aim
grave inlet
The point of the 62 is so people don’t need to aim
neat bison
isnt that the same for every TD under the sun? Ive always called TDs "the easiest way to pad damage in high tier"
calm stratus
I digress, but
T28 Defender is bad
neat bison
yeah I should say it out there right now
I have a love hate relationship with TDs
theyre both a nuisance and the best teambro (if they shoot your spots)
too much TDs actually makes yawnfest draws and here in Asia, everyone cares about big damage so they play TDs and get 3-4 TDs per match
grave inlet
Still don’t see ur point
calm stratus
Still, it's negligible
neat bison
so uh whats your opinion on high tier TDs? @calm stratus
calm stratus
Point, click, RNG, repeat
neat bison
I do think theyre way too easy to do well in, especially the ones with actual armor and some mobility
cough 268, Chinese copy paste TDs cough
seriously they need to be limited to two per team
grave inlet
E3 best td
leaden schooner
@grave inlet ,jgpze100 is
calm stratus
263 is best tbh
neat bison
E3 has the worst grind imho
and E3 is literally WM1 its so simple that its stupid
leaden schooner
then obj 268
vague berry
263 <3
grave inlet
E3 has such good armor
leaden schooner
183 was great in the past
calm stratus
263 has a good gun, excellent mobility, lots of armour
Aight, get out of here with that 183 crap
neat bison
well uh mines the 263 as well
its basically a Jagdtiger with nearly better everything
I might even say its borderline OP in the right hands
grave inlet
E3 is borderline op
calm stratus
183 is disgusting, end of discussion
neat bison
every high tier TD is borderline OP in a lot of situations
grave inlet
183 loved to play it, hated to fight it
I should be here more often discussing is fun
calm stratus
I played it on a press account once
I didn't like ruining the battle of that poor soul who had 80% of his hitpoints taken away by a tank he can't even see
neat bison
I just hated it
period
it made my batchat games hell because the thing can outspot you almost every single time
grave inlet
But that alpha is oof
calm stratus
It's disgusting, and how is it even balanced?
neat bison
oh its balanced now
people cant hit anything that moves with it :GWqlabsKek:
calm stratus
Imagine you're a 215b in a city map and a 183 decides that it's going to suicide just to dump 1000 damage on you, can you even stop it?
There's nothing you can realistically do to stop it
grave inlet
At least only u get hit for 1k ur team still has all im their hp lol
neat bison
I dont get hit anymore
and I can finally go behind it without repurcussions
which is good because a TD should always never be able to punish a flanker
its as much cheese as sniper one shotting scout on a close range duel
calm stratus
Well yes, glad the traverse got nerfed
neat bison
and the camo
and the gun handling
good nerf, very good nerf
turned people into Jageru drivers and I'd rather flank a Jageru than a pre nerf fv
tulip sail
Nice pfp gary
calm stratus
I had my best tier 8 medium times in it
tulip sail
Oh I thought it was seath the scaleless from dark souls
grave inlet
Pershing is the tru pushover
calm stratus
Yep, it doesn't really have a single redeeming feature
tulip sail
I actually really enjoyed my m26
grave inlet
Welllllll maybe it’s turret
calm stratus
It's not bad, it's just flavourless
grave inlet
No it’s bad
neat bison
I hated the M26 because its as tasteless as american fast food
calm stratus
Just like most American mediums
grave inlet
Oi don’t diss the m48
neat bison
the M46 is pretty good to imo
calm stratus
But why play M46 when you can have a Centurion 7/1?
neat bison
its not as huge?
calm stratus
But how about forcefeeding IS-3s with HESH?
neat bison
mmm Ivan fed with HESH
calm stratus
Still better than Centurion AX
grave inlet
y u talkin about a pc tank
calm stratus
Yes
grave inlet
is the stur emil underated
calm stratus
Yes
calm stratus
If WG gives Charioteer HEAT instead of HESH, there will be riots
grave inlet
it has hesh?
calm stratus
It gets the L7
rigid thunder
it uses the 105mm royal ordnance gun
grave inlet
if thats the case then we wont need to grind for the gun
calm stratus
We do lol
quasi mirage
It gets the cent 7/1 AT gun with better ROF(but u need to grind for it coz WG knew people would grind td lines first for stock even if u already have cent)
calm stratus
TD guns are disconnected
calm stratus
It gets Badger's gun, with a 3 shot clip
grave inlet
that turret is he town
calm stratus
Yep
Would be hilarious if overpens were a thing
Lets say you couldn't roll high with non HE shells if you have far too much pen
grave inlet
i thought it would get pre nerf 183 gun
rigid thunder
Probably pissed players off too much
calm stratus
The gun was just far too good now that we get lolpen HESH
grave inlet
wait the dpm is 4k jesus
calm stratus
Yes
4K DPM with 220 pen and 1300 alpha
But the way people run it, it rivals 263 in DPM
left anvil
Um. Su122-54 🤣
quasi mirage
No one is firing the 183 on the reload. The calibrated shells is clearly the better choice
cyan ore
i just relizezed that the top parts of the side of an is 3 are just spaced armor.
timid bison
Yep don't fire at them. Shoot the tracks, because the armor behind them are weak. @cyan ore
hollow notch
That is basically every is-X except the is6
calm stratus
@cyan ore @timid bison
Actually, it's not the spaced armour, it's the sloped 90mm behind it
wise moth
^^^ So many people have the misconception that spaced armor = magic black hole armor. The secret behind the IS-X side armor is the primary armor underneath that's placed at near-autobounce angles
calm stratus
But yeah, IS-3 upper side is a portable black hole
I also find the misconception of HEAT being unable to pen spaced armour at all silly
It can, but it needs more pen to do so than if it was AP
wise moth
I remember getting a hackusation after I penned a T26E4 in the front with HEAT 😂
calm stratus
Ah, it's always fun to forcefeed T26E4s HEAT and have them get really upset
Type 62 has a better chance of penetrating the Vindicator with HEAT than AP
near forge
@calm stratus I prefer to AP the soft spots on their turret. Makes them regret buying the thing
calm stratus
^
Vindicator sucks just a little tbh
And Predator is just bad
Wonder why you don't see any Predators
timid bison
@calm stratus yep that's why you shoot the armor behind the tracks instead. The armor behind the spaced has a pretty steep angle.
solid gate
imagine sloping the armour so you don't have to make it ridiculously thick, saving weight for better mobility
this post was made by vindicator gang
quasi mirage
sloping armor doesnt actually save on weight that much
solid gate
still need to save as much as you can
near forge
But any ounce you don't have to add is one less ounce affecting the suspension
tulip sail
It does but doesn't at the same time
It makes it so you dont need as much steel to achieve the same effective thickness
quasi mirage
not really
tulip sail
Depending on the angle ofc
timid bison
Sloping armor only helps ricochets. It does not improve weight efficiency, because you need to have a longer plate of armor. Because the roof armor of tanks are so thin, sloping really doesn't improve efficiency.
near forge
Still, keeping your crews safe is worth the extra expense...
tulip sail
There are pros and cons of sloped armour
near forge
As with anything
wise moth
@tulip sail From a design standpoint, sloped armor doesn’t weigh less than flat armor for equal protection of a given volume. Slopes armor means less space inside, so you need more armor to get more space, if that makes any sense
tulip sail
I see what your trying to say but not quite as if you have a 40°angled plate it's going to be able to be thinner than a flat plate in order to give the same effective thickness (and yes that's one of the major reasons the Germans didn't really angle there armour for there armour in the 30s was it took up to much space)
Also my point is it saves some weight but not much
bleak adder
Is the 10,5cm kwk l68 gun for the tiger II worth it ? Cuz its a pretty substantial amount of xp (half of the e75 tanks xp)
cobalt creek
Yes it is, really good gun and I'm sure it makes the stock grind on the E75 much easier
bleak adder
Compared to the 10,5cm kwk l52 ? Just making sure cuz i dont wanna grind my tiger II for a gun that i might as well just research the next tier
cobalt creek
Yeah, and why would you research it on the E75 when you can do it a tier lower
I mean if you are skeptical you can always save your XP and go straight to the E75
dry notch
I wanted to buy the Type 62 alone and not with the other 2 tanks. Please sell the type 62 alone please
sterile willow
Lol
Type 62 is either best or worst tank, depending on your playstyle
If you can farm damage and avoid taking back
timber crypt
Nah light tanks need to be up front
Not frontline but just pissing off heavies
Does anyone know what other premium tanks will be in store over the next week or so
limpid cobalt
Did wg nerf the on the move dispersion and overall aim time of the 50b? It feels so much more sluggish
quasi mirage
The sloping armor literally doesnt save weight. It maybe saves a bit on roof thickness but people need to understand you can make armor just as effectively thick with flat armor
sterile willow
What?
left anvil
Who?
quasi mirage
It saves a bit on roofing
solid gate
Well if you took a Armour plate that’s 100mm thick and put it stood it vertically versus a plate of the same thickness but at an angle the one at angle has a higher effective thickness so it does save weight and material
bold zenith
Then why don't we all have Bob Semple tanks
tulip sail
Because it was a terrible vehicle
jade geyser
But it was operated by emus compensating for the drawbacks by over 9000% 😂😂
tulip sail
It's only good thing was it was remotely good at was being cheap and fighting at less infantry
jade geyser
Bru, do you not get everyone here regards the Bob Semple tank as a meme right? 😂 We all just think it’d be a hilarious joke if the Bob Semple tank was made tier 11 and was capable of actually fighting tier 10😂😂
tulip sail
I do but tbh I'm actually really sick of seeing the same meme for the last 5 years
jade geyser
But it’s hilarious tho, at least we think it still is
tulip sail
Plus some people actually think it was a great tank (sadly they weren't kidding)
jade geyser
Lol, I ain’t one of em 😂
tulip sail
Lol good there was a few reasons why it wasnt a mass conversion
quasi mirage
u dont realize the extra space the sloped armor costs which makes sloped armor not as effective as one thinks
solid gate
@tulip sail here is a riddle for those who think the bob semple is good, "why don't any exist anymore?"
haughty void
Does the Wz Blaze needs a buff?
rigid thunder
It's already been buffed recently, the garbage gun handling was improved
rigid thunder
@tough totem Then don't drive into where they were last seen/popular camping spots for that tank
calm inlet
@split hearth yo
neither
wait for a good premium to come into the store, like a T-54 mod 1 or a Nameless or something
split hearth
but i like both of them
calm inlet
well you won't know until you play them
i have both. im good in both, but im good in most tanks. if you don't have a lot of experience, id recommend waiting this sale out and buying a better premium
these are both tanks that require a decent amount of skill to play well, even the Glacial 112 which is just another IS-X
neat bison
every tank is terrible when the game decides to make you miss every single shot from the gun
split hearth
Affrimative
neat bison
finally I can play a game where the weapon handling turns into absolute trash regardless of the tank and where the teams are so useless that if they were replaced by bots, the difference would be negligable
vivid lagoon
T54 mod 1 is best tier 8 premium med
glacial bough
Blaze and glacial are just bad, sell the 62 by itself and you’ll make far more money
calm stratus
@vivid lagoon nope lol, T-44-100
rigid thunder
ngl the 44-100 isn't that good
vivid lagoon
Well they are pretty much the same... What's the reload on a t44 with the 122mm?
rigid thunder
horrendous and you should never use it
vivid lagoon
But what is the reload on it? In seconds?
tender sundial
Is that a Sheridan?
rigid thunder
yes
tender sundial
Sheridan would be fun
tulip sail
@solid gate there actually is a replicated bits of the original in Australia
solid gate
What's the difference between the Lz. IV H and G??
tulip sail
Oh uhh let me check
The iv g has a little bit better armour but everything else is about the same
solid gate
@tulip sail so their howitzer gun are the same??
rigid thunder
They don't have the 10.5cm gun
jovial moon
Any tips for playing Chinese is2 ?
wraith breach
Play it like a regular IS, but make sure you have team support
jade geyser
It’s a ching chong IS-2 with a ching chong 122mm gun
solid gate
Drive it like you stole it :)
tulip sail
@solid gatethey dont have a howitzer and I was comparing with top equipment
grizzled remnant
blaze HE pen is great
full kiln
Panther II (stock) or T-54 ltwt (Fully upgraded)
help me because im gonna buy one of them
twilit wigeon
T54 ltwt
Panther II is a meme on how bad it is
gusty shoal
nah it was ok except for the reload could be better
shut prairie
Any tips for the WZ-111 model 1-4
I can't seem to get the hang of it
noble bolt
@shut prairie Don’t play it as a normal heavy. You have good mobility and a punchy gun
You can bully meds
pastel drum
@grave inlet WZ 111 mod 1-4 goes to a totally different tank unlike the IS3. He just want to knows how to play it to get to WZ 113
dire plover
😄
silver verge
Hey guys, E50M or Leopard 1?
vivid lagoon
I suggest u change ur nickname @solid gate
pastel drum
I agree with that
otherwise mod control is coming
<@&481447501690568709> can you deal with @solid gate by making him change his pfp and username? your service is appreciated
vivid lagoon
😂
fleet berryBOT
ADOLF HITLER#0901 has been warned.
forest ermine
Clock is ticking
pastel drum
I think it ticked its last tock
fleet berryBOT
ADOLF HITLER#0901 was banned
forest ermine
🙄
Just so happens I'm from the Netherlands as well and know what that means 👌
@pastel drum thanks for calling that in =) we do sweeps for that kind of stuff, but not every day. So an extra pair of eyes is very helpful for us =)
vivid lagoon
And me 😂
forest ermine
Yes =)
vivid lagoon
👀 👀 2 pairs is better than 1
forest ermine
For sure 😁
ionic girder
Why does the bloody FV4005 only have autoloader and not the 183...
That’s actually stupid, it is also slow af
pastel drum
@ionic girder because no one wants another 183mm gun in the blitz. If you want to play PC sure, go ahead.
ionic girder
Okay give me 2 grand for a PC then I will, hmu when u have the money @pastel drum
pastel drum
@ionic girder I am a f2p player on PC and have Leo1, OBJ430 U, FV4005 and AXM 50B. and 51 wr
So I do not see your point
ionic girder
F2P? What’s that?
pastel drum
free to play
brisk orbit
he means that he doesnt have a pc
pastel drum
@brisk orbit wdym?
brisk orbit
nvm....
ionic girder
Haha wtf
I didn’t mean give me 2 grand for tanks I don’t have a Pc u donkey
@pastel drum
rigid thunder
Yeah but seriously, nobody wants another 183mm HESH gun in blitz, especially since the FV 215b 183 isn't getting removed. The FV4005 will also not be incredibly slow, while the top speed is at 35 km/h, the ground resistances are good and the hp/t ratio is 21. (All this is according to blitzhangar)
solid gate
well yes but its also tall as a maus or even taller, having bad traverse like Grille 15, not good aim speed and weak armor
rigid thunder
yeah the turret is a HE magnet, 14mm all around and as big as a barn
solid gate
its a better HESH target for its brother than the Grille 15 or any Waffel could ever be
the brits will balance themselves
the Badger gives me a headache tho
rigid thunder
at least it seems better here than it is in PC
solid gate
the gundepression should be decreased to make the tank unusable for hillpeeking
bc the front is so strong no medium nor heavy can punch through it
solid gate
i mean this explains very well that the armor is the best of the tank, so mobility or gun has to suffer
I dont want a second WZ-120-1 FT and then even on tier 10
(stole the img from badger first look channel)
rigid thunder
at this rate I can only see it as a magnet for prem rounds
solid gate
with reduced dmg
and high price
i know some that dont even carry prammo since the dmg nerf
and other not carrying bc they dont even carry provisions since they cant afford the credit loss
Badger has to get nerfed and be sold in chests for like 10€/2500
a chest
so that everyone has to bleed their wallets dry to get it
rigid thunder
so twice the price of a 30b crate
mossy obsidian
is the Panzer 3 in rank 3 overpowered?
tulip sail
No
mossy obsidian
Why then is KV-1 op
tulip sail
It's not op
mossy obsidian
how is it not op
tulip sail
Its really good but not op
solid gate
^^
mossy obsidian
it gives like 200 average damage and it's armour is impenetrabel
tulip sail
Its armour is hardly impenetrable
solid gate
since the 85mm gun had its reload increased to 8.2 seconds from 7.6 seconds it has been a lot less op
pfft, just flank it or get a bigger gun. Alternatively, shoot the weak spots or just avoid the tank
tulip sail
Or use pramo
solid gate
most tier 4 tanks can easily pen the side and the kv1 isn't that maneuverable
LOL that is a waste of credits, especially at tiers 4 and 5, at least in my opinion
however, it does work, ngl
tulip sail
Yeah some tanks just have to use it though
solid gate
that is fair. Like the BDR
man... the stock gun on the BDR is so bad
Is the Pz 5/4 worth 1500 gold?
tulip sail
Yeah or the at2 who cant out maneuver the kv1 and it was for me
radiant saffron
If you buy the jagdtiger 8.8, can you get the snow tiger camo as a legendary camo? I rather have this camo then the lava one which comes with the offer.
tulip sail
The snowstorm is a different tank like how there is the t34 and the t34 (1776)
dim sail
Is the jagdtiger 8.8 worth it then
radiant saffron
Yeah, but the characteristics are exactly the same. Lowe has legendary camo, but jt8.8 not?
tulip sail
Yes Its my second favorite td
dim sail
I have 8000 gold
I will probably wait for some other deal to be fair
I mean I already have the jagdtiger
tulip sail
And the jagdtiger and the snowstorm have the exact same stats as well
radiant saffron
I have the tier 9 version. I like it for its history. Don’t trust too much on the armor.. I rather have the snowstorm for its cool camo.
tulip sail
Ehh I like both and its history is quite interesting
dim sail
Isn't it basically a tiger 2 hull with no turret and a really good dguj with DPM and gun handling
radiant saffron
So, JT8.8 has no legendary camo?
jade geyser
No, the Snowstorm version is like the T34(1776)
Same tank yet completely different at the same time
jade geyser
Yeh, it’s pretty cool looking
radiant saffron
Well, I’m going to wait for the snow tiger then.
hoary kettle
pallid parrot
T34 premium tank, worth the money or not?
near forge
If you are going to buy a tank, go for the Lowe over the T34. The Lowe has halfway decent hull armor, and can also hulldown similar to the T34
viscid dragon
yea, the t34 has no hull armor worth mentioning, and is about as maneuverable as a beached whale
covert spruce
They should bring back the howitzer that went on the pz4g and hetzer.
near forge
And then they would have to backtrack removing howitzers from the other tanks like the DW2 and other tanks
covert spruce
I get where the dev's are coming from with this noob friendly approach but removing guns nerfing tanks and removing whole vehicles is a bit much.
solid gate
I tried the T34 from a friend's account, T34 only good tactic is the hull down playstyle, every 1 Vs 1 is ez for the enemy since the chassis is large and penetrable. The only advantage T34 has is the large tracks which can save some hit points, by being tracked instead of damaged, but that's a risk not worth running. I have the Lowe and it's good every bit of it except the engine, but it's a heavily armored tank between frontal armor and gun mantlet, it's ok
viscid dragon
the T34 is better for fighting on terrain where you can hide yourself
fighting on a city map like himmelsdorf is eh
covert spruce
From personal experience the Lowe is better.
near forge
It is a hulldown beast, but the whole thing is a fragile cardboard box with a Adamantium turret XD
solid gate
Exactly, in maps with plans and not many hills T34 is doomed
remote bolt
Is AC 4 sentinel good?
viscid dragon
the gun is basically a tier 10 gun, so you'll have no trouble punching through most other tanks' armor (not the AC's gun)
covert spruce
The ac 4 sentinel is decent tank but not a good tank
remote bolt
T34 has a tier 9 gun tho'
viscid dragon
it has pretty much the same pen as my maus's tier 10 gun, so it'a really a tier 10 gun
solid gate
That's why I have the M6 EXP instead of the T34, at least I can protect myself frontally easily, except when enemies aim for cupola or turret ring, and it has the same T53A1 gun of the T34, if WG doesn't decide to nerf suddenly also premiums
near forge
The whole thing is I would rather buy a decent medium tank over a heavy as it allows you to fill more roles than bullet sponge and fire support
remote bolt
Btw T34 is really good at hull down,isn't it?
solid gate
@remote bolt T34 is a hull down specialist, nothing better than him, but that's the only tactic you can use with it
remote bolt
I just wanna get the T26E4
The tank front armor is so decent even high caliber can bounced
@solid gate yep
solid gate
I have it also, from a lucky big chest, it's more a heavy tank with 90 mm than a medium, but when you don't expose the turret roof, it's almost impenetrable, it can ricochet also the Obj.704, at least when it's not using prammo
remote bolt
Ye, just want to get lucky and get the tank
Other than that FCM 50 t is look like a HT
solid gate
I just hope WG sells the Chi Nu Kai again, that Tier 5 is fragile but it's a credits printer literally, 228% credit coefficient