Crom.B has so much gun depression it's gun goes through the engine deck, it also has better side armor than regular Cromwell
#vehicles-discussion
dark socket
honest delta
When they will do the collectors in credit purchase in offer tab coz it really is something
But buying them for gold to sell with same currency really sucks at all
tulip edge
Are you asking if they will allow you to buy collectors for credits in the future?
pseudo hamlet
@short raptor @quasi mirage @hollow notch @glacial crest hear me out. What im saying is the sides seem to not work as advertised. You’re right there is the is4 which has 140 mm and the is7 has 150mm. But the is7 is easier to pen on the sides and actually has a V-shaped hull. It just doesn’t make sense. Other heavys that have 150mm sides do not get penned this easily. Yesterday in a game i was getting penned in the sides with the is7 at a steep angle.. they shouldnt have gone through. And i know about the lower part of the hull being easy to pen, but thats not where i was getting shot.
heavy moss
@pseudo hamlet is7 has 100mm on the V-shaped part above the tracks youre talking about. Is4 has 160mm in the same place. You cant really be that sure where you are getting hit.
And i'd be happy if both were nerfed.
heavy moss
Then i really dont know what you mean since i've not experienced the same when penning these 2 tanks @pseudo hamlet
pseudo hamlet
Omg.. the point is ... that even at an angle the is7 is getting penned when more likely it shouldn’t.
heavy moss
@pseudo hamlet yes i understand that has been your experience.
glass otter
What's the general play style of the T25/2?
keen mantle
tier 7 medium basic playstyle but you have a gun that can pen things
solid gate
Is good Cromwell B ???
keen mantle
ye
quasi mirage
is7 is much more bs armor. IF i have flat is4 armor it will pen. Is7 wont always pen
shut flame
@quasi mirage clearly you haven’t faced the IS7 before it side armour was nerfed, don’t be complaining now just aim, they already nerfed the side armour a lot
quasi mirage
dude lol of course I did. Its my first tier X
fallow venture
@modest tangle the Chinese TDs are in super test?
modest tangle
dull ether
Got the Comet, I’m already having fun with it! The stock turret ruins it though
tulip sail
Yeah its a lot more fun with top turret though
dull ether
And that rpm... man that’s what I need
tulip sail
It kinda reminds me of the e8s playstyle
keen mantle
it is basically a tier 7 e8
tulip sail
Maybe that's why I loved it
near forge
No. A decent player for once XD
pine mason
@inland osprey I give you a big fat thumbs up 👍
inland osprey
Big tank + big gun = big fun
solid gate
Lil tank + lil gun = big fun as well, look at the E 25
near forge
Lil tank + Big gun = an unbalanced thing that IRL would do somersaults and backflips
inland osprey
It has big speed so
heavy moss
Kv2 with the first gun
near forge
KV-2 with a rocket propelled HEAt round XD Plz WG your next big money maker lol
solid gate
If they add such a tank it’ll 💯%
🅱️e time limited
heavy moss
Rocket propelled guidable HE rounds for kpz ^^
solid gate
Downgraded at tier 8 without rebalance*
near forge
If they add such a tank it would be put in teir 3 gameplay for 90 bucks....
dusky stone
Super test too @fallow venture
haughty void
I played 4 battles in the Cruiser III, got a 4500 WN8 in it and 100% wr. But low tiers are so boring since update 5.5. There is absolutely no challange since no tank has more than 600 DPM.
I miss the days where tanks had good autloaders and derp guns in low tiers. That made the game much better IMO.
tulip edge
For experienced players and seal clubbers sure. But for new players being one shot and destroyed by significantly more powerful guns wouldn’t have been better
pine mason
@haughty void wrong Ke ni otsu has more than 600 dpm
haughty void
@pine mason Yeah, but you only face it one of a hundred battles...
pine mason
Do not know, do not play tiers 1,2,3,4,5 and 9
cinder cradle
is7 is op
livid yacht
No, not really
cinder cradle
in my opinion it is
pulsar sinew
Is7 is a pointless tank
cinder cradle
okee dokee
cinder cradle
good point
cinder cradle
ok then
pulsar sinew
It’s a heavy tank that’s been power crept into obscurity
tulip edge
and you said the is7 is op
frigid hornet
is4 OP back sidecrap
hollow delta
Idk but the elc is also OP at side scraping
orchid verge
No beacouse other heavyes can shoot he - splash damage (100-300)
hollow delta
You don't say?
proven folio
Hum any news about smasher?
hollow delta
Play the kv-2
hot tendon
@pulsar sinew I’m surprised people know the Is-7 exists that’s how irrelevant it is right now
pulsar sinew
@hot tendon why don’t people understand that though?
hot tendon
@pulsar sinew cuz 7 is a greater number then 4
Leo 1 is super irrelevant but the only reason I like it is cuz it’s fun to play
Only reason you should grind is-7 line is to get the Is-8
glacial bough
Yeah is7 pretty rubbish now
tulip edge
How would people change the is7 to make it more competitive? I personally have never played it just wondering
pulsar sinew
Nerf the is4 lol
You’d also have to nerf the 113 dpm for traverse
Essentially the is7 needs to be a viable link between the is4 and 113. Somewhere in the middle on armor, speed, dpm etc
tulip edge
Makes sense
tired girder
Is7, got powercrept all it is. I mean its still a great tank, but there are others that do much better. Agreed with iraikkonen it needs to have some feature that is better. Maybe is4, and wz 113, much slower. Then ill see the is7 being little more useful.
primal nymph
I’m sorry Is-7 meta wasn’t fun imo
wary saffron
Why wasn't the keni otsu nerfed?
Almost 2000 DPM while any other tier 3 has ~500, what the hell???
rotund seal
@wary saffron Because it’s a premium tank that people bought directly with money. WG would prefer to pretend that it doesn’t exist, since so few were sold and it would open a terrible can of worms if they started nerfing those kind of premium tanks.
wary saffron
Why not turn it into a collector and nerf it like all the others? I spent money on some of them too yet they got converted & nerfed...
I can understand if they were event tanks or gifts obtainable for free, but I bought some of them like the KV220-T yet it got converted and can now get nerfed
rotund seal
Because there’s a difference in how you bought them. Buying a tank with Gold (like buying a T2 Light) is different than paying $10 for a tank
At least that’s how I understand it. They really don’t want to admit their mistake, but they also can’t just correct it quietly
cedar fog
it wasn't, but now it's completely useless @primal nymph
regal coral
the keni otsu is like an e 25 at tier 3 with worse mobility
regal coral
so if it had 4 k dpm.
cedar fog
ye
vocal dawn
Farming damage in the E 25 is fun
regal coral
i also like the rudy
vocal dawn
Shooting every 3 seconds is amazing lol
regal coral
the black prince?
vocal dawn
I sat in the back earlier, shot for like 1 minute 30 seconds constantly and did 2600 lol
cedar fog
actually no the e25 would have to have around 5k dpm to be same level
kindred star
I like kv2 the derp
fervent bobcat
I hate teir 9
inland osprey
Tier 9 is awesome if you're in a WT pzIV
magic cipher
IMO tier 9 is better than tier 10 in some cases
old cargo
Now tierX so much nubs.... Sealing tierx premium is the worst Idea Ever....
valid lodge
Premium tier X
Now tier x can enjoy clubbing seals
old cargo
@valid lodge this means C unts can drive high tier with tier4 skillz and then make normal players insane.
inland osprey
Well we already knew that
valid lodge
I know what happens.
I was making a joke. People often define seal clubbing as experienced players fighting against new players. Premium tier X means somebody with almost no experience can jump up to tier X, meaning they'll likely fight a lot of experienced players. Hence tier X can now seal club
sly cedar
Except those skrubs still like a seal that asking to git clubbed.
zinc marlin
Edelweiss is better than Drac
hoary lava
its satisfying to play 268
covert scroll
Chrysler K 254mm Turret + Ball shape Turret = Pls nerf
also why can't we use the Maus 75mm
tender sundial
Caenarvon is fun
sly cedar
You mean tossing around with dat little thingy?
keen mantle
Caernarvon is the one and only shredder @tender sundial
meager parcel
honest delta
@meager parcel it will be epic when wg will decide to make collector tank offers in credits to sell for gold ;)
haughty void
What it feels to be a Super Unicum in the T28 Prototype😏
solid gate
Crates again really WG
smoky tinsel
Kirovets-1 join game
valid lodge
I appreciate how buying the bromwell and e25 together is the same price as buying them seperate but you also get extra stuff for buying them both at the same time
solid gate
robust gale
Ehi, don't you think that the WZ 112-2,the new Chinese heavy tank, is like the IS 3?
smoky tinsel
Kirovets-1
prisma bison
@robust gale no it’s not. It’s more of a glacial
robust gale
@prisma bison Hmmm. But it's doesn't worth it
prisma bison
Ik, it’s just another 122mm
north steeple
Created a kv2 using whiteboard
candid glen
@north steeple No offense, but kinda looks like a T-50-2 🙃
regal zealot
Looks cute. Tbh, it looks more akin to an MT-25
north steeple
They should add camos to every tank from girls und panzer, preferrably unlockable by credits.
i.e pravda camo for kv2
tacit gull
How do you defend against Vk 10.01 P tank, it’s so annoying.
bold zenith
its OP
pine mason
better than ingame 👌
raven socket
@north steeple Tiger 1 heavy tank. Lol
north steeple
lols, but the thing i sent on top of ur msg is a ru 251, poorly drawn, sorry lol
raven socket
It looks like a Tiger 1
north steeple
I draw better on paper, but dont have any rn
raven socket
Haha. Grille 15 looks funny
pine mason
hey that looked quite good ... why delete it?
north steeple
Gonna enhance
raven socket
@north steeple Try to draw a JG PZ E 100
north steeple
Ok
raven socket
Vindicator UM?
north steeple
Ye
raven socket
Ur awesome
north steeple
thanks
raven socket
@north steeple 👌
north steeple
pine mason
👌
glacial bough
Xd
raven socket
Wow nice
north steeple
Cmon we all know this happened to us at least once
raven socket
@north steeple haha yea
north steeple
Also, i’m happy they nerfed the 183,
Mostly noob players that purchased their way up the ranks play it, and if your in bat chat, and try to flank, the traverse speed is so op it’ll catch you and use HESH
i’m also completely fine with them removing it altogether, too OP 698-1113
bold zenith
wow
north steeple
Well, i don’t have any Tier 10’s but judging by the traverse.. big nono
bold zenith
lol
north steeple
when ur in RU and you see this
bold zenith
tracks for 158
north steeple
...
solid gate
Congratulations ! You won a Kirovets-1 (IS-3 prototyp) under the chinese flag!
north steeple
calls hitman
yeah, you can track his IP adress and get to his house.. give me his account details once you’ve shot him, thanks.
solid gate
hitmans keeps the account for himself
north steeple
orders hitman to kill hitman
solid gate
😂
wraith depot
Nerf WZ 120 1 FT. You cant circle it. So nerf his mobility a little bit and side armor. His front armor is alreaey so strong cant pen it with 250 pen
north steeple
when you see a communist in your wotb training room
Alright, gonna get off now, cya fam
bold zenith
@wraith depot Wargaming doesn't nerf premium tanks!
wraith depot
They do. Just make them collector and then they are trash because collectors are always nerfed versions
rose lantern
Which is better at making creds. Super pershing or löwe?
rose lantern
Ohhh. I'm halfway on getting the e100 I just need 3mil. more creds
glacial bough
Nerf wz mobility for sure, even WG know it’s beyond broken
north steeple
it also depends on vehicle tier, if you’re in a tier 8 prem, you earn bonus credits for it being a prem, and credits multiply by X8 because of vehicle tier
Tier 5: X5 multiplier for tier
Tier 8: X8 multiplier for tier.
Perfect tier for grinding is 8, 10 and 9 spend too much, 7 and under don’t grind too well
cedar ridge
WZ-112-2: of course they had to sell it in crates...
solid gate
Wallet warriors already existed before that and will do after it so keep playing
formal sierra
Was going to buy the new tank tbh... Just got money to get it, assuming it costs the same as other tier 8 heavies..... Then I checked the store and I see crates for it 👎
regal coral
I don't buy crate tanks either
I hope the smasher doesn't come as a crate tank. I really wanted to play it
If something is going to be sold in crates, wargaming can at least make the tank purhasable for a higher price out side of crates
formal sierra
But you know it will either be an event tank like the gravedigger, or a crate tank. They can't sell good tanks like that outright, they gotta make an extra buck
hoary lava
another is3 clone cmon wg
we already got is3/is6/is5/wz110/wz111/wz112 glacial/is3 defender/and now diz??
gaunt mountain
that tank is exactly the same as wz111, 112 glacial, is5, is2sh. there is nothing to discuss lol
twilit wigeon
Yay more crates...
Great
onyx coral
So its a glacial with worst turret but better hull and faster?
keen mantle
it's a better Glacial that's faster period
onyx coral
Not winning me over
solid gate
Gun on foch155 need balance , miss imposible
hoary kettle
Bro i want these new tanks where they at
cold jacinth
I only want the T-150 back in the tech Tree
vague lodge
loved the T-150
hoary kettle
I dont get why hey took the luchs out
I was a good change for the luchs to the leopard
cold jacinth
me too it was one of my favorite heavy tanks @vague lodge hanzo
I play the luchs with the 50mm gun, its boring using the auto-cannon
in the early days It was really good, i ever did like 2100k damage with its 57mm gun cuz why not lol I
cold jacinth
the days before they had the Tankenstien heloween event was the best experience i had in the game
opaque cairn
Soooo the new WZ-112-2 is basically a copy of IS-3?
solid gate
It is basically a Kirovets-1, prototyp of IS-3 before soviet engineers put on some pike nose
lament flint
Nerf WZ 112-2 it Is broken😜
keen mantle
meh
opaque cairn
I miss the old IS-3 turret. It was impossible to penetrate lol.
west stag
If it is impossible then, it is good it was nerfed lol
Nothing should be impossible, just hard if it's a calling card of that tank
opaque cairn
Typical WG...
keen mantle
the IS-3 turret can no longer be overmatched in the roof at least tho
inland osprey
Oh right
It's been a long time since I played the IS3
keen mantle
well 152 guns can overmatch
solid gate
Is the WZ 112-2 a rare tank in blitz?
west stag
It was just released I think
mystic summit
Excuse me what
olive ridge
I think the crates were the way to go this time 🥳
fleet berryBOT
__Nicogeddon93[--R--]#7223 was muted
glacial crest
It could have been so much worse, the tank isn't actually very common as far as I've played only tier VIII today
olive ridge
@pulsar sinew drive its first battle for me 😬
I won 4 with $50. So got enough gold back to buy Chrysler. Then got 90k exp so unlocked top gun for WT. and idk how much premium time
glacial crest
I'm more concerned on how, theoretically, could the Tiger II be buffed. Imo it doesn't need a buff, I really like it, but what's your opinion on a buff like that?
bold zenith
Haven't spent a single cent ever on blitz, feel so proud
olive ridge
Tiger 2 needs small buff imo
glacial crest
Well I meticulously go over every detail which is why I spent fairly little compared to my friends
Well, little. Imo I spent too much, it's like over 50 bucks over the three years I've been playing the game.
west stag
The tiger 2 has been powercreeped hard.
bold zenith
I never spent a cent. i feels proud
olive ridge
I think a tad more side armor and just a touch on tiger 2’s turrent would work
west stag
^ Yeah, It's turret is mediocre as is. Even if the turret "cheeks" were buffet a little and slight side armor buff maybe like 5-10 more mm just a bit more wiggle soon for side scraping and angling. Perhaps a slight dpm buff or even a APCR oen buff
the 75, L100 has more apcr pen than the tiger 2s 88
@olive ridge Besides the angled side bits on the front of the turret is so easy to pen
olive ridge
Yea was thinking maybe another 25 alpha would be nice
glacial crest
Actually, it has more. 140mm angled rather aggressively gives it a pretty high armor value. Something about 260 last time I checked. @north steeple
keen mantle
265mm effective roughly, compared to about 210mm effective on the IS-3
solid gate
E100 Good or useless
keen mantle
it's goodless
glacial crest
The E 100 definitely feels kinda odd when you go from the E 75 to that. The turret armor is basically a huge weakspot and you gotta cope with that. But the gun can be rather effective, too.
timid bison
@north steeple It's much stronger than the IS-3 armor wise. It's also better armored than the glacial.
keen mantle
I'd say it's better than the IS-5 but about on par with the IS-3 as the IS-3 has a far superior gun
olive ridge
I say it makes 30k profit with landing 3 shots and a loss. Lol
keen mantle
lol
olive ridge
Would made so much more if this 39% vk didn’t keep pulling out sideways in front of me he got a red thumb
keen mantle
lol my favorite is when VKs pull out sideways in front of my Tankenstein and I plamp a nice juicy 663 damage max roll shell into their side
olive ridge
Almost home. I’ll get a decent battle not a vkp. A vk 45. Suck a trash tank
keen mantle
It's an awkward tank that deserves gun handling and mobility buffs
signal prawn
it will be broken until they're done selling them
vocal dawn
I didn’t realize how much 1 degree of gun depression hurts lol, in the T-62A I try to play like a 140 and end up shooting the sky when I hit a bump lol
keen mantle
yeah
vocal dawn
With the exception of my 46% win rate in the T-62A over 15 battles I’m not doing too bad in it lol
My spotting is also pretty bad
olive ridge
112-2 can pen vk front armor with reg rounds? 😬
haughty void
And so does ISU-152 😛
olive ridge
Yea. But I’m s heavy
haughty void
T34 has 30mm more pen than 112-2 I believe...
olive ridge
haughty void
Thats the a s s of the Vk lol
olive ridge
Damn it. I was all kinds of excited loool
haughty void
Hehe
west stag
@haughty void Actually ISUs have issues penning the VK frontally if they cover up their weak spots
@olive ridge What tank are you driving?
It looks like a IS3 or a 113 gacial, or the new tank. They all are basically the same tank lol
keen mantle
ISU can pen VK turret easy what are you on lol
west stag
I run my Isu wit calibrated shells, and let me tell you if that tank even slightly angles its red
keen mantle
Turret is 220 ISU has 286mm pen
west stag
I've started running Cal shells and super charge for this tank.
And raw armor sure, but at range the pen drops off a lot. And then just turn it slightly.
At range it can bounce the BL10 without angling actually, you just have to get lucky.
Sadly not even cal shells and suoerchage and change that chance
olive ridge
@west stag the new tank
keen mantle
west stag
@olive ridge The one youre driving
@keen mantle That's all well and good if you're firing from close range
keen mantle
Long range there's a massive hatch for a reason
west stag
That they cover up with their gun
olive ridge
keen mantle
You're implying the enemy vk driver will be good at the game tho
west stag
Pretty much every VK driver I've ran into has done it
keen mantle
95% of the time in my experience they're idiots that think they can't die
west stag
Also hitting a hatch at 250m with a troll Bl10 isn't the easiest thing to do anyway
Or you know if they're side scrapping and then they don't have a need to expose their hatch
And then if they have lower plate covered, what are you to do? Rush it along with the 3 team mates it has with it?
keen mantle
Deal with the team mates then rush
west stag
Everything everyone says works good, in a 1v1 where it isn't supported. And even if it isn't supported a IsU would lose in a brawling match with it probably 8/10 times. Pretty sure it can probably put HE into the ISUs roof too.
Because the ISU won't bounce, but there's still a decent chance the VK will bounce the ISU
keen mantle
Well considering the ISU has like 900 more dpm than the VK and had enough health to probably not get 2 shot by the VK, the ISU might actually win that fight.
west stag
And everything you've said is good in theory, but in practice it's a different story.
The VK has more health, armor, a turret, the ability to abuse the area. The ISU would rarely bounce a shot, while even a decent VK driver is more than likely bounce a ISU
west cargo
Armor makes the difference. Vk wins
Vk gets in ISU’s face = gg
Wait which vk we talkin about
west stag
And the ISU isn't a E25 it's only fast until it has to turn. A VK in a defensive position would almost always win. As long as the ISU has distance and the VK can't use it's armor to side scrap or anything like that and the VK is pushing the ISU has a better chance, but still might lose
west cargo
Fast in a straight line. Fastish
west stag
@west cargo The new tier 8 one
west cargo
Oh
west stag
The one that leads to the maus
west cargo
Nvm then ISU can definitely win that.
west stag
Nah, in theory the ISU should win all day, but in practice its about 8/10 in the VKs favor
west cargo
Vk can just ram ISU and shoot it twice
west stag
I think the VK and even slam HE into the ISUs roof and pen actually
west cargo
No
west stag
isn't the roof only like 20mm thick?
west cargo
no
keen mantle
ISU can just keep distance and shoot thrice and as long as it gets half recent shots and the VK doesn't high roll both shots the ISU could win in theory
keen mantle
Lol
west stag
In theory, which if it can only be beaten in theory then theres a issue. A tier 5 in theory kill a tier 10
is it practical? No.
keen mantle
I'm thinking somewhat realistically at least
west cargo
Bounced a KV-1 w CS while in my jageroo. So yes KV-1 best tier X
keen mantle
Lol
west stag
Yeah, but the VK is a defensive power house. If it is the ISU vs a defensive VK player it goes to the VK all day
Honestly I'd rather the BL10 have heat rather then APCR
keen mantle
Defensively I'd prefer an ISU, the VK is more of an offensive line breaker imo
west stag
I have seen VKs hold a corner against 5 of my team mates and come out on top. They couldn't push or blank because his team covered him, and every time he'd reload he's side scrap of the building without exposeing his hatch, turret slightly angled, everyone would bounce on him and he's snap a shot into one of them
keen mantle
Sounds like your team was making bad trades
west stag
They were trying to make good ones. They had to clear the VK, but it is so strong defensively and offensely they couldn't break through. None of the reds would pop out besides the VK until everyone had fired at the VK. The thing is basically a mini maus
keen mantle
What was stopping 2 or 3 of your team mates from breaking off to flank
wintry shell
Or shooting gold ammo
west stag
That VK ended up doing like 5.5K damage. And what was stopping us was their other heavies and TDS.
keen mantle
I doubt you had enemy heavies and TDs behind you stopping from doubling back to flank
west stag
And Gold ammo still doesn' pen it
tough dune
Very effective against noobs.
keen mantle
Indeed
west stag
@keen mantle You try to deal with the WZ TD, amx 50 b, and that cringy new WZ heavy
keen mantle
50b u wat
west stag
While you have a VK in front of you, with a rhm somewhere behind it.
They the 50 100 B was a accident
The WZ TD on it's own is a entire other story on it's own
keen mantle
I know that's a fight I'm not going to win so I move and try and find a safe firing lane into the VK side
west stag
Its himmils on the heavy line, no where really to go besides forward or into the mouth of the two heavies and the broken TD
keen mantle
I'm not going to just sit there and get pot shots put in me
You just described exactly where Russian heavy tanks excell
west stag
Mind you I was already dead BTW, I went with a medium on our team to the rails, and killed one over there because getting swarmed by the 50 100 and the two WZs
keen mantle
Lol going rails ever
west stag
They had a bunch of heavies so I thought they'd go heavy line. I wasn't wrong but I wasn't right lol
timid bison
are you sure about that
west stag
Point is, it's a complete power house. And if anything all they'd have to do is to make a weak spot on it on the left side (when facing it) preferably on the turret so it can't hide both its hatch and lower plate behind a building.
Maybe even just a bar across like the E100 has
keen mantle
I actually just hate rails with a passion :/
west stag
@timid bison certainly didn't expect two heavies and the TD to come screaming down the rails lol
keen mantle
Also the E100 view ports aren't even weak spots lol
timid bison
@west stag I was messing around. I just arrived and have no clue whats going on.
west stag
Are they not hit boxes anymore?
tough dune
They are but very small
timid bison
This about the VK 100 01 OP?
west stag
Yea
timid bison
Cupola to 180. fixed.
keen mantle
They used to be on PC afaik they never were weak spots on Blitz
west stag
Because how it is now, it's possible to side scrap without ever showing a weak spot, in a tier where 90% of the tanks will have issues penninf you
Even though ISU has issues if the shot isn't perfect
timid bison
It needs a cupola nerf for sure, so that the cupola actually becomes a weak spot. Turret cheeks too.
Turret cheeks or gun. Either of those.
west stag
Like give it a view port on it's turret or something. Or the turret cheeks. Something.
timid bison
The gun's kind of crazy too. Its the same as mounting the E100 gun on a Maus.
keen mantle
@timid bison 190mm is better, 180mm would be too much of a nerf imo
west stag
180mm is more than most of the mediums have in pen
timid bison
@keen mantle Nah. Kv4 has the same strength as that, and KV5 gains a bit of side armor for 5 of those.
keen mantle
Would rather not be inviting comets to spam apcr into the vk hatch
timid bison
And this thing has the armor and gun to put both of those to shame.
@keen mantle That's how balance works.
west stag
Like if a "weak spot" Can't be penned, there's an issue. Imagine being a T29 having ti face this thing frontally
Or even T32 actually
keen mantle
You're effectively suggesting that the IS-3 should be more comet resistant than the VK
timid bison
Is3 has terrible hull armor.
west stag
The IS3 can't bounce the tier below tanks on it's weakspots
keen mantle
210 effective is in no way terrible
timid bison
@keen mantle I'm going to go fact check it.
keen mantle
I'll even do it for you
west stag
Now lower plate
keen mantle
west stag
And actually having a pike nose is why the IS3 armor sucks imo
timid bison
keen mantle
Also by that logic of the weakest part being 195
timid bison
You must keep in mind the VK can angle.
west stag
And that's 172 without any angling
regal zealot
IS-3 hull vs Comet
keen mantle
Keep in mind the IS-3 gun is actually good
timid bison
And by angling, the equilibrium between side armor and LFP for VK is 235mm
That means at the ideal angle, the weakest part of the sides, and weakest part of the lower plate, are 235
keen mantle
And the hatches on the IS-3 might as well not be there
west stag
And 235 for a lower plate is stupid. That's more than the tier 8 heavies pen numbers on avg
tough dune
timid bison
I'll show you the equilibrium. Keep in mind to check the eefective armor in the upper corner.
tough dune
Shot from lekpz m41.
keen mantle
I'm just saying nerfing it to 190 would be more reasonable than a Nerf to 180
tough dune
Penned him 4 times. 2 times on LFP and rest on side. No CS. Why do people aim for troll hatch?
timid bison
First image shows the lfp weakest part, upper corner
second show the weakest corner of sides
@keen mantle Why? The Kv4 and KV5 have exactly that. And the whole point of a cupola is to be a weakspot so that you can't kill everything by yoloing
west stag
How thick is the hatch RN anyway if you hit it dead on
timid bison
I'll check
keen mantle
The KV-4 is unarguably a terrible tank and the KV-5 is about 70% faster on flat ground is why
tough dune
208 dead on. After that, its angled to 220-230
timid bison
Exactly 208 at the weakest point, but that's only a tiny sliver. It gets exponentially stronger from there.
west stag
And yeah, I know. Give a heavy a hatch with more than armor than most of the tier below its tanks have pen
A "weak spot"
keen mantle
Not shooting the front is a nice weak spot
tough dune
Why aim for hatch when the LFP is big and a lot weaker?
timid bison
@keen mantle Either way, the cupola should be a weak point.
@tough dune Hulldown and sidescraping is why.
keen mantle
I'm saying it shouldn't be as well as you propose
west stag
A tiger has 203, so if it shoots AP it has about a 50-50 chance to pee the hatch.
And vecause if the VK is smart its FLP should be covered or heavily angled
timid bison
@keen mantle Is there a reason you want 190 and not 180?
west stag
So the mediums can't pen him with APCR in the hatch
tough dune
timid bison
I'm saying it should be a weakpoint. 180 is a good thickness for that.
@tough dune HEAT. Guess what happens if you shoot any other tier 8 heavy with premium? Oh noes!
west stag
@tough dune That's heat
tough dune
Thats what gold rounds are for.
tough dune
Why do you want to pen a superheavy from front in a medium/light tank?
keen mantle
I'm saying 180 is enough for literally everyone to load prammo and pen, 190 would get it more trolly
west stag
Its a weak spot, a tier below and the same tier tanks shouldnt need to load prammo for a weak spot
tough dune
IS 3/5 are not superheavies
timid bison
@keen mantle And being trolly kind of removes the purpose of a weak point.
@tough dune sure. KV4, KV5, Tiger 2 (technically, a super heavy)
west stag
@tough dune Hey red, do a tiger 1 vs the VK on the hatch just wondering no prammo
tough dune
west stag
And see that's the issue, The tiger is a very strong tier 7 tank because of it's gun, but it can't do anything against the weak point of a tank just a single tier above
tough dune
Aim for the LFP
west stag
And that's if every shot hits exactly at the weakest point
LFP would be covered either by side scrapping or hulk down
timid bison
@tough dune You may want to read what I said regarding equilibrium. And 8 degrees of gun depression is more than enough for hulldowning.
west stag
Not to meantion the tigers gun isnt perfectly flat with the ground, so you'd be aiming down onto the front plate
timid bison
@tough dune And BTW, your firing vantage seems to be off. Tiger 1 isn't that short.
tough dune
That is a 100 meters distance.
timid bison
@tough dune "firing vantage"
west stag
So it has one weak point it can pin, which if they made it to the VK they would know to cover. So.. Again useless.
keen mantle
Tanks a tier below don't need to pen a super heavy tank frontally.
west stag
In its weak spots they should be able to at least have a 50/50 chance.
regal zealot
It’s a Maus type tank. What do you expect?
timid bison
@keen mantle Ok, I gave you the IS-6 gun to work with. Good luck getting through 235 with 221 mm of pen.
tough dune
The LFP doesn't go past 190mm due to AP normalization.
west stag
@timid bison He actually uses the stock IS6 gun so 175
timid bison
lol
keen mantle
@timid bison this is the part where I use 184mm pen, deal with the other enemies, then rush to side hug
west stag
@tough dune And 190 is still only about a 65-70% chance for a tiger to pen.
timid bison
Ok, I feel like this has gone far enough. 180 mm is a good thickness to ensure that the cupola is a weakspot that can still troll by the further edges.
tough dune
Still high enough to go
keen mantle
I'm no idiot I make decent trades, why would I aim at an angled super heavy tank
west stag
@tough dune Yes, he can pen a weak spot that won't be shown to him until he Yoko rushes the heavy and his team
Also Kv4 doesn't suck lol
timid bison
wow, I just realized I was in vehicles discussion. I thought I was in general the whole time.
tough dune
And it sees tier 9 with 258 mm of pen on some heavies. Any nerf to hatch will make it bad in tier 9 matches
keen mantle
It already has a rather meh gun and no mobility
west stag
And yet the E75 manages just fine with much weaker armor.
The tiger 2* oof not the E75
keen mantle
It manages by having a gun that doesn't stuck
valid lodge
Hit the weak spots, become friends with a TD, flank, or ignore it and move on until it's the last alive. Those the best ways to deal with the vk
west stag
@valid lodge The issue is its weakspot is 208mm at the weakest
valid lodge
Then move on to one of the many other ways. An angled super heavy should not be an easy thing to pen frontally,especially by lower tiers.
west stag
Like I feel bad for IS, t32,pershing etc. They don't have the pen to even get through the hatch
it's the hatch we are talking about
regal zealot
Don’t focus on them then. They just want you to shoot at them.
valid lodge
Weak points I've seen are usually the wheels, lower plate or the cupola.
west stag
Listen the fact it can't be penned anywhere by a tier 7 heavy without loadinf APCR besides the flp which will be hidden is a issue
regal zealot
Focus on the other tanks before swarming the VK. That’s the most effective way of killing a Vk
west stag
Sometimes people don't have the option to back away and come at it from another direction
tough dune
I still don't see the reason to why people wanna trade shots with a sidescraping/hulldown VK and expect to pen it.
regal zealot
^^^
west stag
I literally bounce on this thing with 300mm of pen.
regal zealot
Well, it is a superheavy, like the KV-4
tough dune
Like i sidescrape in Maus against 326 AP/400 HEAT and they don't complain lol
west stag
A maus has more weakpoints though lmao literally
keen mantle
Last time I checked both tanks have sides and a lower plate
west stag
@keen mantle And say you're in a slow tank?
regal zealot
How so?
No hatch weakspots, easier to angle turret, troll lower plate
tough dune
VK and Mauschen have weird turret shape that gets weak when angled. LFP is very weak too. Maus has neither of those
keen mantle
I manage done with my IS-6 so @west stag
west stag
Because at least Equal and one tier down can pen the turret of the thing.
keen mantle
Fine*
west stag
Given its straight on, and IS6 isnt "slow"
valid lodge
So your complaint is that a tier 8 heavy beats a tier 7 heavy? There are plenty of ways to deal with it. If you can't then you have done something wrong. If you for some reason, are the last alive against a vk, while in a tier 7 heavy and cannot do anything against it. I don't think that means the vk needs a nerf.
regal zealot
Eh, it’s easy to deal with if you isolate it, or leave it as the last enemy to be dealt with
keen mantle
@west stag I don't play tanks slower than 30kph so I wouldn't know
tough dune
Not when it angles the turret unless you load gold.
west stag
No the issue is a tier 7 heavy can't pen its weak point. I don't care if its heavily armored. But a weak point is a WEAK point.
keen mantle
Prammo is a thing. Embrace it.
regal zealot
There’s always APCR
tulip sail
And it is a lower teir its supposed to be out matched
west stag
Ah yes, spam the prammo at its weak points. And it is already out matched even if it could own the hatch.
tough dune
LFP is a weak point and its big. If the VK is sidescraping or hiding its LFP, why would you still trade shots?
tulip sail
Yeah that's how its should be
west stag
All I'm saying it a tank a tier below should have like a 50/50 chance with the hatch if it comes down to it
keen mantle
At least it has weak spots lest you find yourself fighting an IS-3 with a comet lol
west stag
Comets can easily COD things
valid lodge
Weak points are called weakpoints because they are the weakest part of it. Just because they are weak points does not mean everything on the planet should be able to pen it. Unless your saying a tier 7 can't even pen the back end of it?
keen mantle
Not an IS-3
tulip sail
The comet can easily win that just use your speed and leave
keen mantle
That's umm... That's not quite what winning means.
west stag
I'm not saying allow every tier 7 to pen the hatch. I'm saying that tier 7 heavies and TDs should at least have a decent chance of doing so without loading prammo
tulip sail
Um are you alive? Then that's a win in my book (ps I'm joking)
keen mantle
Making it 180 would allow basically all tier 7s to pen the hatch though
west stag
With APCR
tough dune
And VK becomes terrible at tier 9
valid lodge
My t25 at had no problems against a couple vks
west stag
At tier 9 it will get penned in the turret anyway, the hatch being 180 wouldnt make the difference
keen mantle
You guys can't just pretend prammo doesn't exist lol
valid lodge
I used normal ammo and aimed for its weak points. When i couldn't hit those points. I either repositioned or got outta their.
regal zealot
If you use this argument, you could also say the same for the KV-1 and AT 2 at tier V and the B1, B2 and Matilda at tier IV.
keen mantle
AT 2 @regal zealot
tough dune
So, make the weak point more weaker lmao.
Lets nerf E3's cupola too. Can't pen it with 258 mm pen of Maus.
tulip sail
@keen mantle especially now that you don't have to pay gold
keen mantle
@timid bison and about your little challenge
regal zealot
Most tanks at tier IV don’t have the pen to deal with the KV-1 and the AT 2, while most tier III tanks cannot do much against a Matilda and the B1/B2
west stag
All I am saying is make the hatch to the point that the higher pen guns at tier 7 don't have issues with it.
For example I drove my Su152 with the 122. Add in the range that a TD is at, even hitting the hatch would be a start, let alone penning it with 175mm of pen
All well in good if they over angle @regal zealot
tulip sail
Same can be said about the vk
keen mantle
You don't get to complain when you're toting around tier 10 dpm with that setup @west stag
west stag
DPM doesn't mean anything if you can't pen the thing you're aiming at, and then having to load APCR that loses pen over distance faster so by time it get there you probably have barely enough for 50/50 chance or not enough at all
keen mantle
You can pen every tier 7 heavy and most tier 8s. I still like my Type 62 with around 150 pen lol @west stag
west stag
Did you just use the worse pen gun of tier 4 to show the KV1 has OP armor
tulip sail
Why are you engaging it at that distance then let someone else deal with it and switch
west stag
@keen mantle And what is the 62s Heat pen?
keen mantle
Doesn't matter, I just shoot another target
regal zealot
No, that’s the Matilda’s top gun. Most tier IV tanks have less than 100mm of pen after 5.5 @west stag
tough dune
250mm HEAT
west stag
@tulip sail And that distance is probably just outside of spotting range
keen mantle
Can't be bothered to do less damage just to take out a VK
west stag
@regal zealot I meant the D2 vs the queen of the desert
regal zealot
Same thing. 75mm of pen won’t do much
tulip sail
Even more reason to switch target
regal zealot
Your logic is flawed
west stag
I don't have a issue with loading prammo, I have a issue of loadinf pramo to just have a chance of oenning the weak point of another tank
tulip sail
That's a teir higher
west stag
A rather small weak point actually if you think if you miss slightly it'll just bounce off
tulip sail
Then that's not an issue about the armour of it
keen mantle
I'm down for a nerf, just not a nerf to 180mm @west stag
west stag
No it is, loading APCR to aim at a weak spot that you might pen is a issue
tulip sail
Missing isnt an issue with penn
west stag
RNG is a thing. There's also RNG with Pen too
some APCR at tier 7 can actually roll low enough to still not pen the VKs hatch at point blank range.
keen mantle
If you think fighting a VK with a tier 7 is bad you would have loved fighting an IS-7 with a T-44 back in 2015
west stag
T44 is a bad tank anyway, at least it seems it by stats
Unless it has been buffed since last time I checked
keen mantle
It used to be one of the best tier 8s and was back in 2015
west stag
That's power creep for you
Point is, tanks like the tiger 1, kV 3, t29, can't pen the hatch without loading prammo
valid lodge
Good
west stag
and honestly the tiger is probably the only one of those tanks that could beat it on a level playing field if the lfp was showing. But 9/10 times it'll be hidden
keen mantle
It's almost like you're suggesting fighting a top tier superheavy tank with a bottom tier tank
west stag
Sometikes you don't get the choice in the matter
valid lodge
Then that's on you
tulip sail
So? Then load the prammo it's in game for a reason
west stag
Question, name another tank where the weak point can't be penned by the tier below it
Same class
tulip sail
We did earlier
regal zealot
I just showed you.
Matilda, B1, KV-1
keen mantle
how about the tank that was just released that just doesn't have weak spots period
well it has a kinda weak lower plate that's not that weak
WZ-112-2
oh yeah and it's twice as fast as the VK
west stag
The KV 1 doesn't really have a weak point anyway, matilta is actually easy to pen without prammo but you just showed a D2 which has like the worst pen of tier 3
regal zealot
It has 75mm of pen, not exactly weak
keen mantle
yeah that's quite good for tier 3 now
west stag
And B1 does have a big weak point
And what I've seen of the wz 112 is its armor osnt as strong as the VKs
tulip sail
That's our point that it's not just the vk
west stag
WZ is miles easier to pen than the VK though
tough dune
regal zealot
Here’s the best pen gun at tier III against the Matilda
tulip sail
And the Matilda isnt really, almost all t3 struggle and a lot of t4 do as well
And if there angling that much drive around
west stag
But look, the St1 the shell has almost a 50% chance of going through without APCR.
keen mantle
but look the ST-1 has better mobility, and a way better gun for the tier
west stag
I'm not asking for a easy pen, I am asking for it to be nerfed to theres at least a 50% chance of it to pen of you hit it dead on
@keen mantle I mean the tiger 2 shooting the St1s hatch
keen mantle
it still has far better mobility and a far better gun than the VK
tough dune
Better chance than ST1.
west stag
@tough dune Talking about a tier below facing it. Not the same tier.
Look there's no reason for the hatch to need 208pen to have a 50/50 chance at it
@tough dune And the St1 is a tier above, so it should be harder to pen but not impossible
keen mantle
Something something lower tier tank against a top tier heavily armored tank frontally
tough dune
208mm 50/50 is against same/low tier. Tier 9 will go through it, and you want to make it weaker?
west stag
Tier 9 can punch straight through it turret so the hatch doesn't matter. Armor doesn't mean much once you're a tier above
tough dune
Traverse/gun handling seems to be most logical nerf. If they nerf armour, they need to buff HP
Is that the reason for your insistance on penning a superheavy frontally from a low tier heavy?
keen mantle
nerf cupola to 190 and cut 5 degrees of the track traverse and I'll be happy with it, Voidless seems to think with his not quite so voidless brain that tier 7s should pen a tier 8 superheavy frontally
valid lodge
If you can't pen a tier 8 super heavy frontally while using your IS, try hitting it from almost any other side. You might have more luck
or just use prammo and save the headache
west stag
Nerfing the hatch is what is needed. Literally 180-190 somewhere in that range is good. It'll keep the mediums from oenning it easily, but give heavies amd TDs a legitimate chance against it.
keen mantle
In fact the AT 2 is so broken that tier 7 heavies and TDs struggle to pen a tier 5
west stag
Not that all tier 7s can pen it. That tanks with High pen AP shells should be able to pen it.
And yeah the AT2 becames even worse after 5.5 but.. You know what you can pen it in with most tanks? The hatch.
keen mantle
west stag
Now just make the front 180-190mm thick and its all good lol
keen mantle
the VK 100 just needs the hatch nerfed to 190-200 and then have 5 degrees hacked off the track traverse and I'll be good with it
west stag
I get y'all don't want mediums penning you frontally, but when it is heavy vs heavy brawling match give them a chance. Otherwise the VK will just be a nub stomping tank
keen mantle
Well I use my IS-6 to stomp nub VKs and it's not like the IS-6 is any sort of god op tank so
tulip sail
So it will just be a super heavy
tough dune
They already have a chance with gold shell or LFP.
west stag
I feel like all of you have it, amd don't want it nerfed because matter of fact it's OP as hell.
keen mantle
I actually don't have it. I don't even have the Tiger (P) yet.
tulip sail
I don't have it and I don't have an issue with fighting it
west stag
The fact it's weakpoint can't be penned unless you're a Extremely high pen TD or like the AMX M4 is stupid
feral jolt
I have it and I actually dont like it
tough dune
I have it and i don't play it much. Prefer Maus over it.
tulip sail
I didn't like the tiger p so I quit playing it and it's not a problem if your not trying to head on it
keen mantle
"These people don't have the same opinion I do so they must just have the tank and not want it nerfed so they can stat pad"
yep seems about fitting for this server
feral jolt
Either am not using it good enough or 90% of the people knows where to shoot, but I dont enjoy playing it as much as I hoped
west stag
@keen mantle Wasn't what I am saying either. The general consensus I that it is over powered with the majority of players. The only people who wouldn't want it nerfed is people who like ot how it is obviously.
keen mantle
IS-3>VK 100.01 (P) lol
I hate slow tanks
valid lodge
I feel like you just don't wanna have to do anything to fight it.
We've told you many ways on how to fight a vk. However you don't want to have to use prammo in a tier 7 against a tier 8, nor do you want to do anything aside from sit in one spot and take it full head on without a second thought.
solid gate
I rush with is3 deff and it works pretty wel
tough dune
If the VK is in the open, it gets sent back to garage due to weak LFP unless the reds are utter noobs that can't aim.
west stag
Hickory there is times you don't have a choice. There are people who don't load half their ammo prammo and already used it all. They are already going negative on credits lol. There is tanks that are slow enough to not be able to blank it, or time is running out.
I am not saying make it a easy pen. I am saying make it possible. 203mm of pen should be at least a 50/50
keen mantle
There are also times you get bad teams in matchmaker and lose because of them. That's not the tank's fault, that's the playerbase's fault.
feral jolt
If time is running, they can just deny him thr victory
keen mantle
the VK is only in any way good because it forces people to play as a team in a team game, which almost never happens.
west stag
I'm not saying match the hatch 80mms thick. I'm saying make it possible for the high pen guns of the tier below to have a halfway decent chance to pen it
keen mantle
They already have a chance, it's called prammo.
west stag
And what if they used it?
valid lodge
Then oh well.
west stag
Hell half the guns at tier 7 can actually bounce prammo of its at range at all
keen mantle
how long are you gonna complain lol I still drive my KV-13 and enjoy it even when I get put bottom tier
finite raft
What should I get Ferdinand or jpanther 2
keen mantle
JP2 every time
feral jolt
JP2
west stag
Depends on what you like but IMO Jp2
keen mantle
it doesn't depend on what you like it's just the JP2 is objectively superior
more speed, more dpm, armor that's actually usable
west stag
Yes, but maybe they want a brawling TD then the fredi is the way to go for side scrapping and etc
keen mantle
Hull down JP2 can block BL-10 shells
feral jolt
Assuming it can find the place, but ye
west stag
Yeah, that's true. Lol. It's been a long time since I've seen a ferdi in battle tbh
feral jolt
I almost nvr see one
west stag
It's kinda like my T71, there isn't many around
keen mantle
JP2 armor is actually amazing
west stag
So is ferdis, just use it right lol
keen mantle
Ferdi will never be in a situation where a BL-10 won't be able to pen it before it can shoot back
west stag
I'm sure a ferdi could bounce a ISU hull down too actually, it's stupidly strong
Yeah, but that's why you bait the ISU into shooting
keen mantle
About what you said lol
feral jolt
Iunno bout pc ferdi now, but I sure dont enjoy it when it's the only way to get to Jtiger back then
Goddamn cheeks
keen mantle
PC it's even weaker than on blitz because the hull cheeks are still 80mm there lol
west stag
Well in that case, JG2 all the way lol
feral jolt
That cheek buff is pure bliss
dry notch
ISU is the finger of god,
JP 2 has the upper armor of the strongest chastity belt,
The Ferd has a drop top armor.
keen mantle
Borsig has drop everything armor
broken parcel
chrome cliff
at2 has the commanders tumor
crude leaf
Panther 8,8 is just a pay to win panther 2 for those kids that dont want to grind to the panther 2
hard pewter
jaunty oasis
Heh ikr
ruby star
Skill can't be bought.
crude leaf
Panther 88 was gud before the addition of all these new premium tanks and buffs to other tanks making it look like a giant german grey target
pulsar sinew
@ruby star heat rounds can be
ruby star
😳
mental minnow
Fv183 is a shame aftef nerf
Did you guys test it ? Or you start to don't care aboute players at all !
You give him a nerf and made it imposible to play !
Al least 2 shoot from 5 go very wrong oposit you whanna shoot
2 for 5 shoots are bounce 100%
80% of HES is betwin 200 and 450 demage
Speed 2 from 10
Accuracy 0.5 from 10
Dispersion 1 from 10
Degration 1 from 10
E.t.c
At least made it tier 7
I know some of you'll say it drpends of player....I dont buy it as I got over 15 k with fv and i try yo play it after nerf even front line only to find out how.....
SAME !
haughty void
Still good though...
olive sky
tier 7 deathstar good idea
drowsy hill
Where is the new event. Its boring
tulip edge
Lmao what did i just read.
The deathstar isn’t impossible to play after nerf. The accuracy nerfs were minor, only the camo really took a hit and that was justified.
glacial crest
Okay. The E 50 M. What's your opinion on it?
tulip edge
Good tank. Can be quite annoying to pen. Wish i had the strength to actually grind the line on my main
glacial crest
I grinded the line after my E 50 was sitting in the garage over a year. It took me too long to grind it lol
vocal dawn
I love the T-62A now lol
Took 10 battles for me to get it down but now I am dominating lol
tulip edge
I wish i had the strength to grind anything
regal zealot
Same. Two years already, only one tier IX
tulip edge
wtf lol thats worse than me. Had the game since 2015 and have four tier tend
regal zealot
Lol. I’m grinding through all the lines tho.
keen mantle
4 years and one tier 10 ecks dee
mystic skiff
Obj. 268 and 263 > WZ-113-1G FT
regal zealot
We’ll have to see though
tardy prawn
Dang fv215b has 7.3 sec of reload
ruby star
It most of all has a 120mm HESH pen
Play it with calibrated shell and it jumps to 132mm
tulip edge
Fv215b has a amazing gun
solid gate
ancient iron
- wtf does funrun have to do with vehicle discussion?
- I can now say that while the T-37 is not a light tank and shouldn't be played as a light tank (and kinda needs a buff... just not sure where.... maybe a tiny reload buff....) when you get a good game going it can really do decently well....
covert scroll
@regal zealot 4 year, 1 tier IX and 6 Tier VIII and 15 VII and 21 tier VI
shrewd basalt
4 years 1 tier X and 1 tier X in Proceed and 2 Tier IX and 1 on work
shrewd basalt
I'm too Lazy to Buy FV4202
tardy prawn
any tip on the fv215b side scraping seems to not work well for me or it isnt meant to do that
shrewd basalt
Maybe you Overangled it so Still get Pen or the Enemies Is Smarter and Switch to HE shell
half wyvern
who else thinks e75 needs nerf?
shrewd basalt
Nope Its Totaly Balanced for Me
half wyvern
super pershing apcr cant pen it from front, the armour is just way too op
shrewd basalt
@half wyvern why Shoot Upper Plate if U can Shoot its Lower Glacis
feral jolt
It cant pen the cupola?
shrewd basalt
IDK never try that but I alwas Shoot its Lower Glacis
half wyvern
id rather not, at a couple hundred meters id rather just run away
feral jolt
True if you can shoot it
tulip edge
@tardy prawn the 215b can sidescrape quite well. You’re probably just over angling it which people can do a lot in the tank.
bold zenith
yea... the sides get pretty weak
tulip edge
A tier 8 medium cant pen a tier nine heavy
“Its too op”
feral jolt
Als i just noticed 4502B front is 200, I remember it's 170
half wyvern
@tulip edge
feral jolt
Did i misremember or it got buffed sometime ago?
half wyvern
if that cant pen it, then its quite op
shrewd basalt
Sry I need 26.200 Exp to Research E50
half wyvern
lower glasis is penetrable, but in this situation id rather move away from that gun as it will hit me 3x harder
time to use a few boosters
half wyvern
tiger p is so trash, it bounces off a kv-2 drive wheel and cant even pen a kv-3 with apcr even though it says non armoured
regal zealot
@covert scroll sounds about right.
Tier IX: ST-I
Tier VIII: IS-3, T-54 ltwt, Vk 100.01 P, KV-4, SU-101 and Lowe.
Tier VII: IS, KV-3, Tiger I, Tiger P, Black Prince, SU-122-44, T49A, SU-100M1, Sturer Emil, T29, LTTB, T-43, T-34-85 Rudy, Jagdpanther and T25/2.
Tier VI: KV-1S, KV-2, T-150, M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbo, M4A3E8 Sherman, Cromwell, Kuro Mori Mine, Vk 36.01 H, Churchill VII, Vk 30.01 P, Vk 30.01 D, Vk 30.02 M, T-34-85, Chi-To, Jagdpanzer IV, Nashorn, D. Max, SU-100, M18 Hellcat, M36 Jackson and TOG II, that’s what I remember.
feral jolt
Tiger P
trash
Im sorry wot
half wyvern
tog 2 is so slow i trying going off bridge and i fell in
shrewd basalt
Lol
half wyvern
i literally cant be asked playing this game anymore, is-3 bounced off side of kv-4 and lower glasis and apcr bounced off front of is-6, i give up
its just so stupid
tardy prawn
Is3 bounced of the side of the kv-4 not a surprise
half wyvern
side of its turret, like wtf
regal zealot
Turret is troll on the KV-4
zenith robin
I'm getting nearly the same amount of damage in tier 3 and in tier 8
tardy prawn
He's either really unlucky or just lack skill no offense
regal zealot
Well, the BT-7 art. is strong
tardy prawn
Soviet steel
regal zealot
Weak lower plate, cannot angle turret as it is huge and flat
zenith robin
St1 is only playable on ridges, even then you risk being penned in the turret
regal zealot
It can sidescrape well, just don’t turn your turret away from the enemy. It’s turret faces the same problem like a lot of American HTs, the front is the most armored part of the tank. If you overangle, it’s an easy pen.
zenith robin
Or just sealclub on a bt7 art. For fun
regal zealot
zenith robin
Oh wait my mistake, I was thinking of the sta 1
regal zealot
Ah, I see
zenith robin
Lol
half wyvern
why does every shell on the side of is-3 bounce of tracks
zenith robin
Russian bias affects rng
past crater
T62a has the best gun in the game
bold zenith
Duh
karmic scaffold
@mental minnow there are still plenty in battle. FWIW, the better players driving now play it more like one would play an autoloader - play mid range, shoot, hide and or relocate. This sniping from the back doesn’t work as well any more and that’s a good thing.
pulsar sinew
I see Alexa is back to complaining about good tanks again
karmic scaffold
@covert scroll I beat you all. I have been playing pretty much since the game started. 7 T10‘s (which I rarely play), 15 Tier 9 and the Rest I don’t count. back early on, it was really easy to grind tanks, I got my first T10 after 4 month or so and didn’t even have premium. One could even make silver in T10. Then the crews got harder get to 100%, there were less multiplier events (early on, we had a lot of 3x and 5 x events).
What I like abut the game now that it’s possible lento play high Tier even without having premium or spent anything at all, due to premium certs, boosters etc. I probably spent $35 bucks since mid 2016 on premium tanks (CDC)
half wyvern
i'll just wait till the e75 gets its well deserved nerf
and it doesnt help that theres atleast 1 every damn game
e75 probably most lowest skill required tank, hide ur lower plate = win
no wonder the germans lost the war, they dont know how to place a "good" engine in a tank, waffen pz iv has no armour and yet it goes like 20km/h
same thing with borsig
but thats abit faster
livid yacht
Idk what are you talking about👀
solid gate
@half wyvern omfg, leave those tanks as they are, it takes brain to use them and to counter them in any case, and they are fine as they are now. Jesus, the nerve of certain people
half wyvern
i basically lose games because i cant outrun the over powerdly armoured e75
shrewd silo
loll complained bout how t26e4 cant pen e75 frontally... what do u expect from a medium tank, face a heavy front to front?
mental minnow
@karmic scaffold @karmic scaffold
If needs to be played like autoloader they sould have better accuracy ...anyway tierd to explain about it is just nothing good about him.
And if this nerf is souch a good think ...like I sayed and repet...lets all play only meds or only lights to not complain aboute broken or OP tanks .....
karmic scaffold
@half wyvern I promise you one thing, if you drive the E75 yourself, it won’t appear that OP any more
livid yacht
👆 👌
shrewd silo
@half wyvern then you need to learn how to fight an E 75
livid yacht
You can use 2 things against an E-75
-brain
-gold ammo💪
half wyvern
@shrewd silo its pretty much a heavy
shrewd silo
It is but it isnt
half wyvern
that should be able to pen "most" things
and the fact that even this isnt enough for e75, wtf is that tank
shrewd silo
do u aim at the cupola or use centermass auto aim
half wyvern
i dont use auto aim
shrewd silo
then aim at the cupola
half wyvern
the thing you can pen is the cheeks, but thats unreliable, shell goes to side and ricochets
shrewd silo
it's that easy to hurt an E75, unless you suck at aiming
karmic scaffold
Tanks with strong turret armor can fight the E75 easily, because it’s turret isn’t all that good. Tanks with good mobility need to get side shots into it, it has OK‘ish, but not great mobility. E75 is a Jack of all trades it does a lot of things quite well, but nothing really well.
half wyvern
once again, this is a pretty hard target to hit with the pz iv
shrewd silo
and how is that so?
karmic scaffold
WT can pen E75 frontally though the turret, I think
half wyvern
because for a tank in the line of grille 15, that gun is not the most accurate
other than the accuracy, the tank is fantastic
but nothing pens the e75 frontally without having to go for lower glacis or cupola
i dont even try going for the cheeks, shells ricochet of side of the turret 4/5 times in my experience
shrewd silo
well then what do you want? nerf its armor so that you don't have to aim?
half wyvern
its not my aim, its the tanks aim
shrewd silo
did u even get wut i said
half wyvern
300 alpha pen should atleast be able to pen on the turret abit more reliably than it does
karmic scaffold
@half wyvern WT APCR round with 334mm butters though the E75 turret - no aiming required.
half wyvern
i want the vk 100 but playing with tiger p just inches me closer to the knife
60k xp with that crap, why wg
shrewd silo
well then you need to know how to play that tank
half wyvern
the armour is good but the cupola and lower glacis are just unmissable
shrewd silo
yes, other than that everything is good, pretty fast for a tank that has 200mm of frontal armor
half wyvern
the gun isnt even good either way
shrewd silo
it's you, not the gun
half wyvern
you pretty much have to load apcr all the way
karmic scaffold
@half wyvern The Tiger P is one of the best Tier 7 tanks in the game and probably the best non- premium heavy. What’s the problem with playing it? I play it for fun.
half wyvern
penetration
shrewd silo
that pen is really good at tier 7
shrewd silo
do you take time to aim, cus I'm pretty sure I've hit many targets as far as 270m away with the tiger P
half wyvern
everyone just targets the player, and not caring about the guns stats
thats whats wrong in this community
your gun misses a shot and its your fault
shrewd silo
wait I just noticed, why the hell are you using the stock gun
half wyvern
because i dont want to kill myself by continuing to play that awful tank
shrewd silo
lmao before you complain about a tank, fully upgrade it first
half wyvern
getting full upgrades in it is quite a painful road
shrewd silo
it has over 200 pen with the top gun, and 0.32 dispersion LOL
half wyvern
id rather stick to the is-3 and other "good" heavy tanks
karmic scaffold
Tiger P‘pen is 203mm and the dispersion is 0.313m, which is almost best in class. I don’t now what Alexa is talking about. This discussion is useless...
half wyvern
even the is was much better
shrewd silo
this discussion is useless, calling a tank "weak" when you still havent fully upgraded it lolll
half wyvern
because when you have to play with a bad tank in order to fully upgrade it then its hard
karmic scaffold
All stock tanks suck, that’s nothing new.
shrewd silo
^
half wyvern
nope
shrewd silo
don't call a tank "bad" when you don't have top upgrades lmaooo
half wyvern
the kv-3 is probably the best stock tank you can get
solid gate
SU-152 disagrees
half wyvern
tbf i probably prefer the stock gun to the max
shrewd silo
The Cent 7/1 stock was not good, but I can still manage to do 2.5k dmg with it
half wyvern
but not like i play that line either way, i quit on it long time ago
inland osprey
Should've fully unlock all modules before assessing the tank's performance…
half wyvern
wasting millions of credits on a tiger p? no thanks
shrewd silo
Then don't buy it 😂
light pecan
My god. Tiger P max out it's one of the best tanks in t7... if not the best heavy (for me)
inland osprey
Um, fyi unlocking modules don't cost credits
half wyvern
but i want the vk
solid gate
2.5k average damage in stock centurion 7/1 isn’t being good, it’s being a god
half wyvern
and what do you mean by modules, equipment?
light pecan
@half wyvern... dont play it.. better for us, tiger p players to kill u
half wyvern
with the size of that cupola? try me
inland osprey
Well I'd argue it being the best tier VII tank, but it is still very good nonetheless
light pecan
@inland osprey of course.
half wyvern
id have to play a game of super pershing after each tiger p game to keep my winrate up
inland osprey
Oh
Then it's probably your skill in heavies
half wyvern
i dont think so
light pecan
My thinking also
@inland osprey
half wyvern
i main heavies and the grille 15 line tanks
it just happens that tiger p doesnt play like the normal heavies i use
inland osprey
Hmm yeah
It does take some skill
half wyvern
and i get about maybe 700 damage a game, as most my shells just bounce off parts that game shows as "non-red"
which is my main concern about the tank
shrewd silo
well you are using the stock gun
light pecan
@half wyvernive made farrr more thank 700 dmg . Mayte thats ir problem
half wyvern
for example, hull of kv-3 i bounced off 3 times with apcr, one actually went in red but 2 others went into the upper plate which bounced off even though being marked as penetrable
shrewd silo
get the top then you won't have a problem with the tank.
half wyvern
the game needs to fix that problem
make the armour system more reliable, and actually tell you if it bounces off or not
inland osprey
Personally, I have the Tiger P with full modules.
I'll admit I don't really like that tank because I prefer fast and mobile tanks.
But that's my problem, not the tank's.
light pecan
5 sec reload, and thats without adrenaline... it's a beast
shrewd silo
there's a +15%/-15% chance thing that your shell would pen something
half wyvern
the weirdest part, after that, i did the same exact shot, but with ap, and it went in, wtf wg
light pecan
That's why.. I get u dont like it. But really its a great heavy
inland osprey
Well me too
I bailed on the KV4
half wyvern
and why does the stock turret look so much better than the other turret, i wish i could equip that one instead
light pecan
Kv3 fully upgraded also it Ives u more mobility.. good touret and gun. I like it so far
inland osprey
I'd prefer the LTTB at tier 7 instead of the Tiger P, but personal preference I guess
half wyvern
i prefered every other tier 7 i had, including the tank i hated, amx 13 75 which i sold and still havent bought back
id sell tiger p if it wasnt for the vk 100, i just want it asap
shrewd silo
makes me remember every lttb underestimating the Panther M/10 until they realize the fast reload it has then they retreat
light pecan
@half wyvernu can burn free exp
half wyvern
i only play tiger p when it has 2x
id probably still be on this tank by that date
isnt that date reversed?
the 03/09, arent they normally other way around?
because if i remember, the birthdays are every 3 months
shrewd silo
nope, it just uses a different format
yours is day/month/year, while the other is month/day/year
half wyvern
i hate when games do that, why dont they keep it normal
idk what wg did to waffen pz iv, but 10k xp in and not a single tier x, i aint complaining
i wish t49's, would just go extinct
wintry shell
T49 is shet, dont like the derp on it
shrewd silo
i always block T49 heat shells in panther m/10 loll
after they shoot, I kill them with fast reload
half wyvern
are the people just brain dead in this game? why does the whole team leave me, a waffen pz iv, to take on about 4 enemy tanks and think i can do it
inland osprey
Lmao I remembered the time where I bounced a T49 HEAT off my LTTB front
half wyvern
i remember the time i bounced a he shell from t34 on the side of t49
inland osprey
Um that's the team nowadays
Bear with it
half wyvern
if i go backwards, i get shot by t28 prot and is-8, if i go forwards i get shot by lowe and a vk,i
will never forget this moment
west stag
The Type61 though
glacial bough
Lmao
half wyvern
i dont have a problem with mauschen
the things alot easier to kill than that an e75 to me
lower plate and turret is pennable, and it seems like the shots hit more often than on e75
noble bolt
I think that the swedish TD high tiers will be an issue with enhanced armor equipment
because at 40 mm they are overmatchable for all 121mm guns and over
that would add 1.6 mm more armor
which would mean only 127mm guns and over could overmatch
pulsar sinew
And yet they exist on pc as is no?
No one has even seen specs of Swedish tanks so there’s no need to worry about them
primal valve
From one of the blue tanks that are gone, the one I would want is the sherman jumbo
primal valve
Thats lit
livid yacht
WG will balance them perfectly, like every other tank in this game😉 @noble bolt
primal valve
Sherman jumbo has strong armor
And a decent gun
But what much can i do but dream of it
glacial crest
The gun isn't even that good anymore, the lower gun is okay but the top gun works best
coral forge
Is M4 Sherman good?
obsidian hill
Hey I just got my new lttb yesterday with the ladder attachment and every time I click on something else and then back to the tank it keeps saying new attachment available and it only does it with my lttb can someone help me figure this bug or glitch out
hollow notch
Yup. Annoying af.
native owl
aight so im getting back into WoT from a pretty long hiatus and i was wondering which branch of tank i should follow off the bat, knowing that i have prior experience
tulip sail
@coral forge yes
native owl
done
coral forge
Yea. I main the M4
As for the next tank, which tank should I focus on to get next @tulip sail
tulip sail
I'm not sure I'm working on the m24 but it leaves a bit to be desired not sure about the t37
native owl
could you give me some advice o great one @tawdry iron
north steeple
When you’re in a RU 251 and you see this when you turn a corner
why are you arguing in vehicles discussion, bring it to DM’s
pulsar sinew
It ain’t me
icy lava
Can someone tell me what the credit coefficient of a Chrysler K is?
inner owl
Hmm
solid gate
I’m not sure but the K doesn’t earn many credits, and I never use APCR in it
I also do decent damage in it, 1000-2000 or so on average
icy lava
@solid gate Good to know. For me, that is the fundamental question on prem tanks. If they don't earn, then they at least need to be something really special to command a price premium. Do you by chance have another Tier VIII, such as Löwe, for comparison?
solid gate
Yes I own a lot of premiums
So far my favorite credit grinder is the defender, it’s easy to use. A second option which is accessible right now would be the is6. I never enjoyed the Löwe though.
Also what would you happen to mean by comparison? Like compare their qualities to each other?
icy lava
By comparison I mean, all other things equal (damage, spots, assistance, etc.) how would the credit grind pay between the two?
...just a point of reference.
solid gate
Ok so I know you guys have a convo going on and I’m sorry to interrupt but quick question since I’m still semi new to the game, is it worth it to buy the T-25?
Not really, it’s extremely average
valid lodge
I don't know if I even used mine before. Can't say if it's good or bad.
icy lava
I do too.
icy lava
Look at this site for credit coefficients. http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/58556-updated-credit-earnings-for-56-missing-a-few-new-tanks/
T-25 is... meh compared to other Tier V on the list, including researchable vehicles.
solid gate
Back to our Chrysler K talk now, it has raw armor but still relies on angling, imagine an is6 sort of, it’s gun though is very “meh”. As in it feels average and not very powerful
It’s not as weak as people say it is though, you still can pen people and it has the maneuverability of a medium tank
icy lava
Yeah... I've seen a number of vids on the K. Is a fair summary that it is OP with respect to armor, but UP with respect to penning other tanks? ...or is that an oversimplification?