Yes, however there is this thing called
“Practice”
I know
Amazing right?
#tank-balance-discussion
teal palm
merry stump
T92 is a very good tank, it is fast and sometimes it can bounce shot if you are really lucky. for a tier 9 tank the size is very small so it is harder to hit yet it has ATGM
It is so good that it managed to be my 2nd best tank to deal damage and 2nd most average XP
turbid smelt
it is the size of sp1c, even slightly bigger at tier with accurate massives guns...
hardy hazel
Tbh a very fun tank, miss pretty much all my atgm shots but is enough to land a shell in some dense ppl, also its HE is a wonderful thing
frosty oriole
if anything, use the other gun because quite honestly the 350 alpha gun is actually pretty good
nimble zodiac
Oh yeah AMX 50 100 is far from OP. It will do worse in a 1vX situation if it’s not a 1v1 because in general you’d have to reload that HELLUVA clip before you’re a threat. And the armor won’t give you many lucky bounces, if at all.
drowsy plaza
@frosty oriole the issue with the 105mm in the T92E1 is there are way better tanks to play in tier 9 for a 105mm. I rarely use missiles in the Sheridan or T92E1, as they often don’t need them. The Vickers CR is a WAY better tank to use if you want a 105mm single shot on a light tank. The T92’s only redeeming virtue is the 152mm LV gun/Missile system
Also @frosty oriole you may not appreciate how @orchid grove talked to you, but he brought up some very accurate points, even if his manner was overly rude at the end.
frosty oriole
yes yes, i may have been a bit ignorant
sinful leaf
I mean I wouldn't be opposed to AMX 50 100 getting an extra shell in the clip, but the better solution is to nerf Emil I. Taking into consideration statistics for AMX 50 100 I'm pretty sure increasing the clip potential by a single shell is far from enough to make it OP. Probably only because the AMX 50 100 sacrifices so much for speed and an autoloader
jagged crescent
OOOOOO
fossil aurora
I wonder if this buff of tds was really necessary, most of them are for stock guns like the T28 or ISU 152, and another one is to be a little broken, like the Jagtiger
minor minnow
I think some gun buffs for tanks was the aftermath of buffing tanks that need the buff, like the short 88 on the JgPanther being buffed as well as the JgPz4’s top gun getting buffed
winged barn
I like how the 88 on the jagtiger 88 became completely irrelevant
drowsy plaza
Makes me cry
frosty oriole
a significant buff to the 8.8 might make people actually consider the actual gun of the tank xd
verbal osprey
please balance matchmaking, thank you
distant river
@verbal osprey please read the pinned messages and stop complaining about one game that you lost, because funnily enough everyone loses games
mental pasture
@verbal osprey
- This is not a channel for complain about MM
- MM doesn't know what players are good or what players, it's just a question of luck, every player frequent the same MM (unless players with less than 5k battles or using tanks with Special MM)
- Blur the names, Naming and Shaming is forbidden at this server
Imagine complaining about MM nowadays, this excuse for loses is so bad and old
crystal spoke
MM is actually as balanced as it possibly could save for a few small tweaks
tough talon
I had to say, who make the wotb match making should open his head to make sure there isn't a full water💩 💩. MY enemy: 48k,12k,19k, 88k, 690, 16k,167. Our team: 780, 6448,6233, 18k,3k,45,17k. That's make me laugh xdddd. Stop saying free to play. With this 💩 match making and op premium tank. This game never is free to play💩
nocturne mauve
Random MM is better than SBMM
hardy hazel
Because that way you dont get clapped by ppl who know the game, yeah i like it too
unique scaffold
@tough talon this channel isn't for you to complain about matchmaking
winged barn
Correct, it's for him and everyone else to complain about it.
No fun sparty?
:(
unique scaffold
False. It's isn't for anyone to complain about matchmaking in.
tough talon
Just tell me, if most people feel angry and uncomfortable with match making. Does it need to be changed? Match making is a part of balance? If it is. There is a channel about "balance" discuss. Are u agree match making is base of the game and balance too?
And how could be 45 battle guys in our team? Should he playing with the bot???
Im not saying for"give 6 of 60wr guys to make me every game win. No even close to fair. Whatever u try hard to win. U can't get it.
If there is not place to discuss match making. So no where. And u confirm that match making is not part of balance. Qed
unique scaffold
Match making by default doesn’t fall underneath game balance your either lucky or unlucky unlike how you control how the battles go in your favor
austere citrus
They should make better maps.
unique scaffold
Matchmaking is random and applied to all of us equally. It's fine as is. We all get good teams and we all get bad teams. Over time it averages out. What you do as a player is the biggest factor in your overall performance.
But like I said this channel isn't for discussing matchmaking.
fiery dagger
I wonder whether these people also complain when they are the ones having their rear to be carried by the significantly better team.
In other words, improve your performance to inflict the biggest possible influence one can have on a battle.
hardy hazel
Let wg create a 1v1 mode as mm so you can win all by yourself because of pure skill so nobody complains
austere citrus
A 1v1 mode wouldn't be bad ngl.
tough talon
😂 So everybody thinks match making is fine right? Someone complains definitely must be his own fault. Yeah I see. No resolve the question. But the people who mention it. Who can say match making is perfect or nearly perfect? Close to fair? If not, why not improve it? Make it better?
pseudo hedge
U cant make random things better
Theres no "better" then random. It's either rigged or not.
I like 8.8 buff
gleaming apexBOT
Warning logged for A158_布丁#3411. I couldn't DM them.
jagged crescent
Because it's easier to complain than to self-improve
In other news, i want ap shells for the 113
you love to see it
@dense yoke they're buffing the stock guns
fiery dagger
Can I have one more response please? Just a tought about 1v1s.
You are also responsible for your team, not just the other way around. You may be good in 1v1 situations, still that doesn't make you a good player, or a decent team player with great map and surroundings awareness, using the best possible methods to contribute to the team's effort, be it spotting, blocking damage, tanking, being distraction, etc. Farming is something everyone can do.
dense yoke
Can tortoise be used to pen? The stock gun. On heavy tanks?
unique scaffold
Seriously?
This channel is to discuss vehicle balance. How many more times an I going to have to say this?
hardy hazel
Not everyone but most ppl should be able to do, anyways lets go back were you all left, jpanzer buffs and stuf
unique scaffold
Frankly I'm not concerned with the td buffs in the slightest. TD's seem to be the least dynamic of tank classes. You can usually know where they are going to be ahead of time and avoid them fairly easily. If you aren't at a point where they can shoot you it really doesn't matter if they have more pen or not.
I'm more interested in seeing what is in store for the Batchat...
I'd also like to see spotting mechanics reworked to put more emphasis on playing lights and mediums in their intended role. Heavies really shouldn't be able to mount coated optics in my opinion.
jagged crescent
isn't that compensated by the heavies having garbage camo ratings
unique scaffold
The spotting mechanics really need To be looked into because it really does feel like TDS and heavies are out spotting meds and lights somehow not in the sense of rushing in the sense of ambushing
@jagged crescent in a perfect world yes. In a world where heavies like to play second line in a bush...no.
hardy hazel
I think heavys autoreloaders and autoloaders should not have good accuracy, this camping thing in heavys is not healty for the game
winged barn
The problem with spotting in blitz is that maps are so small, and view ranges cover half the map. The heavies take aggressive positions that can be seen by everything, but also spot everything in return. The meds an lighst have to try and actually use distance to spot which makes them much less useful than the yoloing is4
unique scaffold
Adjusting the spotting mechanics down would in essence make the maps larger. It would be a win win. People would get the "bigger" maps they've been asking for and lights and meds would be able to shine as spotters once again.
versed tide
The view range system needs to be reworked yes it really just needs to make it that it’s worth it to play a light to spot not saying make heavies blind but max 250m view or range ore something like that when maxed out
hardy hazel
Isnt it a lil hard to do that without touching every tank camo %?
If you reduce the viwe range but not the camo rating then things will be messed up badly
unique scaffold
Yeah I have begun to see tanks like autoloader/autoreloader heavies camp where tds are usually
buoyant nest
Yeah, the spotting mechanics need some work, as a light/medium player the spotting range is too high imo, you cant really do anything because you are spotted constantly, you cant flank cause they spot you from half the map. Imo reducing the heavy/td spot range would help combat the heavy tank meta
versed tide
Sorry I meant for all tanks max 250 heavies lower yes cami#o would have to be tweaked in some tanks
sudden granite
Yeah, the spotting mechanics need some work, as a light/medium player the spotting range is too high imo, you cant really do anything because you are spotted constantly, you cant flank cause they spot you from half the map. Imo reducing the heavy/td spot range would help combat the heavy tank meta
@buoyant nest but we gotta know it when people leave without even saying goodbye. Especially annoying enemy lights bruh
buoyant nest
sorry bruh i didnt think we were a good fit and went to my brothers clan, should have said sth but forgot honestly
sudden granite
Sure xd
random anvil
I wonder when T28 is getting any kind of buffs 😃
also I wonder if there's any channel where I don't have to wait for 17 years to say something else
nimble zodiac
OH YEAH LOL THEY FORGOT THE T28
I’m not surprised.
buoyant nest
t28 is so far gone it should be replaced completely with a new tank lmao
hardy hazel
You have t28 prototype
buoyant nest
can you research e3 with t28 prototype? i dont think so
distant river
T28 needs its proper model, which is the T95 model without the extra tracks on the side. It would then become a bearable tank to play
winged barn
The t28's proper model is the t95. They are the same tank.
minor minnow
Mhm. Idk why WG decided to add that damn plate to the tank
austere citrus
T28 should be the T95 without the extra tracks so basically 305mm on the front, same frontal armor profile as t95 with less side armor(since tracks removed) and then it will be a decent tank with the 400 alpha gun.
versed tide
Mmm maybe not the 305mm more like 285 or 290 or 295 but yeah
nimble zodiac
Eh, people will either just shoot the cupolas or load gold (TDs/high tier)
austere citrus
make it 305mm, the side armor is HEable and the front is easy pramo pen.
versed tide
Not at t8
nimble zodiac
ISU say funny joke
austere citrus
like if i surround a T28 with my smasher, I could 1 shot(with a high roll) from the side.
muted rampart
The spotting mechanics really need To be looked into because it really does feel like TDS and heavies are out spotting meds and lights somehow not in the sense of rushing in the sense of ambushing
@unique scaffold I mean TD outspotting medium or Light when it Has camo, camo net and its sitting in a Bush is okay. But heavies imo should have 170-200 base spotting range. Mediums and tds around 210-240 and lights 280+, but lights should get gun nerfs with it
dense yoke
Which tank has the highest camo rating in t10 heavies and tier for tier??
dense walrus
@dense yoke Chieftan at t10
hardy hazel
@unique scaffold I mean TD outspotting medium or Light when it Has camo, camo net and its sitting in a Bush is okay. But heavies imo should have 170-200 base spotting range. Mediums and tds around 210-240 and lights 280+, but lights should get gun nerfs with it
@muted rampart why the guns?
versed tide
Only lights that need nerfing are the vickers
buoyant nest
Gun nerfs make no sense, you cant play pure spotting game like in wot pc here, you also need to do dmg reliably, having a light with bad gun would just gimp the team
muted rampart
Gun nerfs make no sense, you cant play pure spotting game like in wot pc here, you also need to do dmg reliably, having a light with bad gun would just gimp the team
@buoyant nest
It makes sense. If heavies will have around 200 m view range and won t be able to use coated optics all of them will be blind. The mediums will be able to use coated optics but 230-40 view range even with coated optics and consumables is really bad. (Tds should be able to use this equipment that was deleted when new eq system came in that one activated when you stayed still for few seconds i don t remember it s name.) And Then you have Light tank with 280-90 base view range, you add consumables, coated optics and you have around 60-70 meters view range more Than mediums and even 100 meters more Than heavies. If light tanks guns stay The same, lights will break the game. I don t want them to have uselles guns like on PC, but all of them should get worse reload. 2 secs should be Good. We could also buff camo to 40% on bc, 35% on vickers and 30% on sheridan to make them better fit their role
versed tide
Vickers would be power crept actually the nerf would remove its gun advantage and make it meh vvvv
winged barn
Nah, they wouldn't do that
tHeY wOuLd Be nErFiNg mY pReMiUm HeAvIeS
Imagine the crying
muted rampart
@winged barn But it wouldn t be actuall nerf. It would be whole one of most important game Systems rework. Same as low tiers rework. They nerfed all Premiums. The thing will improve game really much. Even heavies horrific hp amount will be balanced Then. It will be Great move. View range is singular statistic not even that important on heavy. Not many people will cry about that. The game will finally make more sense after that.
winged barn
I play mainly heavies and usually am the one that spots for my team while they hide in a corner. Making heavies blind would be crippling, and I would then switch to using things that could abuse the blindness of heavies
sour comet
Do people think bachata would be op if got 2 sec interclip rather than 3 it got
hardy hazel
I play mainly heavies and usually am the one that spots for my team while they hide in a corner. Making heavies blind would be crippling, and I would then switch to using things that could abuse the blindness of heavies
@winged barn as i said, there should be a camo rating rebalance
muted rampart
This will give Light tanks really important role. It will be probably most important tank in team, but it also won t be idi*t-proof. Heavies won t be able to boost their view range (not counting consumables). Heavies will be blind no matter what. Only things that heavies should be able to spot is other heavies or front line tds at 150-200 m range and mediums at 120-150 m range. Paper camping Tds and light tanks should never be spotted by heavies at range bigger Than 100 m
winged barn
So the team with the better light tanks would always win. Oh boy, I would not want to be on the team with the noob light tank.
karmic portal
He has a point. A light tank would be so influential
unique scaffold
A medium would be able to play almost the same roll.
nimble zodiac
Type 59 vs T-54 ltwt. be like 😭
sour comet
Issue with view change so light tanks and meds and td would dominate the battlefield would create issue like deathstar when would not be able to spotted.
dense yoke
The pen on IS7 is a joke
winged barn
Shoot side armor
full slate
@dense yoke that normal be cause is 8 have HEAT shell
austere citrus
@dense yoke Bro IS-7 has some of the best AP penetration. Pramo pen is super bad though.
drowsy idol
it has normalization at least and can pen spaced armor more easily
noble quail
yeah, meanwhile spaced armour just eat heat shells
nimble zodiac
Haha funny shoot the lower plate
muted rampart
So the team with the better light tanks would always win. Oh boy, I would not want to be on the team with the noob light tank.
@winged barn The light tank will be most important, but it doesn t mean that team with bad lt will automaticly lose. Mediums will also have decent view range (not that high but decent) and mediums also have armor do They can take a pretty safe hulldown position and spot close enemies. Also i didn t precise the Concept before, but if this concept come out The light tank per team number needs to be decreased to at most 1
versed tide
Meds should have 240-260
floral silo
Daily reminder to buff the frontal armour on Emil 1. People can still pen my lower plate
drowsy plaza
I think everyone agrees heavy tanks need a view range nerf. However Lights don’t need massive view range - they already have camo while moving unlike Meds. You add more high view range Lights and you end up with the Vickers Light to Patton issues where you make a tank totally obsolete.
turbid smelt
they need hand brakes
I want to pull off sick skids
unique scaffold
@drowsy plaza I'm talking a global view range Nerf and camo adjustment. I don't want all seeing lights, my goal is to make the maps "larger"without actually changing their size.
hardy hazel
Daily reminder to buff the frontal armour on Emil 1. People can still pen my lower plate
@floral silo bruh, it is op and you are asking for a buff?
noble quail
I agree, Heavy tank view range needs a nerf
mental pasture
Concealment buffs may be cool tho
The current concealment numbers are based on WOT, but that maps are much larger, then lower concealment numbers actually works
But WOTB maps are veeeery much smaller, and even great concealment numbers can be too small in some maps
noble quail
one example is Copperfield if I am not mistaken
restive chasm
Is Jg pz iv getting dpm buff?
autumn zodiac
Alpha, so effectively yes
native parrot
They should buff batchat, make it have more depression, or alpha orintro clip, when the new czechs come its gonna be useless, i dont only mean batchat, also 13 90,same do a buff for the obj 140, they’re just left alone 😦
full token
@autumn zodiac JgPzIV wasn’t given an alpha buff. It only shows a pen buff
autumn zodiac
It's getting 250 alpha iirc
covert jungle
Buff FCM, she too weak and too big
native parrot
Buff FCM, she too weak and too big
@covert jungle agree, french tanks need buffs
safe rapids
@autumn zodiac Its not listed on WoTB website, so it was probably dropped after the test. Same with Challenger, WG says nothing on the alpha which assumes the 300 alpha buff was dropped.
nimble zodiac
WoTB literally announced it on Facebook and game-news
safe rapids
The alpha buff from what I see hasn't been planned for update release. Nothing on the balance changes on website which goes in the most detail. My best guess is that they decided that 250 for the Jagdpanzer and 300 for the Challenger was too much and it's not going thru with it.
mental pasture
@covert jungle FCM 50 T was a decent tank years ago, nowadays it's obsolete
Imagine that you're going to fight an T62-A, but your tank is a slightly buffed T-54. That's basically a FCM 50T POV, most of your enemies are much superior than you
frosty oriole
F to the people who bought the fcm for gold
hardy hazel
do it works better than cdc?
sinful leaf
What? In my opinion FCM is hardly competitive compared to CDC, you hardly have any effective armor to begin with so why not just take the extra mobility, and DPM iirc
obsidian osprey
Buff rammer back to 10% and nerf coated optics for heavies
hardy hazel
just asking because i want to spam a french tank but i dont want to grind the ones we have and the cdc get focused hard
austere citrus
ngl, rammer should be 10%. No point in running rammer right now when CS is just better.
sudden granite
they need hand brakes
I want to pull off sick skids
@turbid smelt totaly agree xd
pseudo hedge
It's getting 250 alpha iirc
@autumn zodiac now I'm curious that's not listed int he forums when I last looked do u know something I dont ?https://asia.wotblitz.com/en/news/updates/vehicle-changes-7-4/
dense yoke
@young plover delete.
Mods have told everyone this is about balanceing tanks, and not mm. So you either deleted or they will delete it and they will possibly warn you.
shut ruin
M46 Patton with the tier 8 gun needs a buff. You can't even penn a Progetto 46 in the turret. No that is no typo: you can't penn a tier 8 med with no armor
full token
@pseudo hedge Open test had an alpha buff, but final balance changes don’t. Generally the open test changes are the same for the final release but it isn’t this time
shut ruin
@full token you want a Jagdpanzer IV with 3700 dpm?
muted rampart
wait wtf. they won t buff the top challanger gun? they firstly announced they will increase alpha from 250 to 300. challanger is sh*t. at this note we have only information about stock gun. if they won t change it stock gun will be way better than the top one. what is that suposed to mean?
noble quail
M46 Patton with the tier 8 gun needs a buff. You can't even penn a Progetto 46 in the turret. No that is no typo: you can't penn a tier 8 med with no armor
@shut ruin ahh, you mean the Pershing top gun?
Yeah the penetration sucks, I grinded that line and I know how it feels, but The progetto 46 turret is troll tbh, and there's prammo anyway that has 268mm of pen (without Calibrated)
I think you're generally saying that the American medium tanks needs a buff (which I agree to)
And yeah, M46 Patton stock is Hell, I remember that I brought more prammo than I usually bring on my tanks
shut ruin
@noble quail yes, you are right. But when doing the stock grind you generally have a 75% to 80% crew so a Progetto 46 out dpms you as well. Don't forget that with normal AP you have 225 alpha and with prammo 190. So your already bad DPM goes down even more to a level where any tier 8 has more dpm. And yes, all the non autoloader mediums need a buff. I honestly don't mind the T69 and the T54E1. Those two were the fastest grinds I have ever had. They were so much fun I researched the T54E1 in 4 days because I couldn't stop playing the T69. I still got both despite already owning the T57 heavy. I love those two! They got good penn and despite lacking DPM they also got troll armor and enemies just melt when your mag gets loaded. I won a 4 vs 1 battle in T54E1 at one point
full token
@shut ruin Read again. I didn’t say I wanted it. Just that there was a buff in the OT that WG didn’t include
karmic lark
either buff fcm's pen or give it more damage per shot OR lower the reload cause this thing has like 210 pen on tier 8
full token
There’s tanks with worse pen at tier 8
frosty oriole
fcm's pen is really good and the DPM isn't the worst thing in the world (though not enough to be highly competitive)
hearty steeple
212mm is nearly best in class at tier 8.
noble quail
either buff fcm's pen or give it more damage per shot OR lower the reload cause this thing has like 210 pen on tier 8
For me it's already good tbh
And what TacNayn said there's tanks with worse pen like for example, the Pershing
latent snow
ok yeah the tog II has a good gun but its still trash, same logic applies to the FCM
mental pasture
do it works better than cdc?
@hardy hazel Nope, CDC is fast, agile and have a better cannon, much more competitive, dangerous and powerful (let's not mention that they share the same stats on cannon, but CDC actually shoot faster)
Meanwhile FCM has only one advantage against CDC: HP pool, which can be countered by a 120mm cannon
In fact, FCM is obsolete
full token
Fcm has better armor too
last shadow
Ah yes
Paper and cardboard
Very good
obsidian osprey
Yep, FCM isn’t HE-able from the front and every once in a blue moon can bounce something off its turret. The only area where it is demonstrably better than CDC is ramming. It is an exceptionally good club lol.
unique scaffold
Annihilator needs urgent nerf, it’s ruining tier 7
last shadow
Like every other op prem/collector at t7
teal palm
Tier 7 is easily the most jacked tier in wotb
No surprise that Annihilator is making it nuts
However I will be honest I haven’t seen too many now
obsidian osprey
Tier 7 is the polluted tier. Tier 6 may even be worse simply because tier 7 leaks its toxic waste down from above.
unique scaffold
Annihilator beats smasher by a huge amount. When we said to nerf the smasher we didn’t mean this
mental pasture
Complain about tier 7 nowadays is like feel bad about someone that died 200 years ago
Too late for complain, everyone already know the actual situation
fallow eagle
Well,the destruction of mm at lower tiers is causing bad players to play higher tiers(probably)
eager reef
I hope the reload time increase won't be too bad for the D max (apparently it's censored), that would ruin the nice playstyle it has.
coarse harness
Idk what are you talking about
The Dmax gets a minor pen buff and that's all
dense yoke
Fcm: Sh*t tank, French Amx: Sh*t tank, French. Play a heavy tank and not FCM (size is just 🤮), or another medium that has armor (Chimera) Play progetto 46 and not CDC. (Pro just does it job better)
@meager spruce I repect your opinion
meager spruce
I would say both tanks are hella underrated. Sure they are not the best, but they are no where near as bad as people present them to be
turbid smelt
centurion i is the only pile of poop tickets at its class
winged barn
The fcm is one of the better tier 8 mediums
noble quail
I have the Pershing and I got the FCM 50t, if I compare the two, the fcm is better. So it's a win for me
sinful leaf
@turbid smelt you sure about that? Pershing exists ya know
crystal spoke
The persh isn't doing that bad several other meds are doing quite a bit worse
orchid grove
Pershing isn't that bad. I can't vouch for it that hard anymore like I used to, since in the era of heavy buffs, the DPM is just too low, but other than that, it's not that bad
crystal spoke
It really isn't sure it won't be solo carrying but it can still work well and I'd take it over the indien panzer any day
sudden path
Bruh I'm finding out why the challenger needs a buff
I knew It needed one, but I just bought it today
sudden granite
centurion i is the only pile of poop tickets at its class
@turbid smelt pershing coming close too
sudden path
No sta 1 takes the cake as worst tier 8 med
Centurion has similar pen, and some armor
orchid grove
@sudden path It wasn't immediately obvious (that challenger needs a buff)?
fading junco
Jjj
muted tapir
212mm is nearly best in class at tier 8.
@hearty steeple same gun as the fcm 50 t but slightly worse stats on the arl
unique scaffold
212 on the FCM and CDC are great, but the Chimera and the 3 Centurions beat it with 218 and 226 respectively
unique scaffold
Is 121B a good tank?
unique scaffold
Yup
austere citrus
no
unique scaffold
Lots to pay to win advantage
dense walrus
who is forcing you to play?
mental pasture
@unique scaffold and again, the "Uninstall" button exist on Steam, Google play and Play store
torn hatch
so Ive been playing the AT 2, isnt 203 mm frontal armor at tier 5 is a bit too much?
silent spruce
Pershing is probably worse than sta, but not really discussed because that line isn't worth the grind. At least sta has a reliable gun, pershing only has a troll mantlet.
autumn zodiac
STA also has the 2nd best Tier 8 camo, STA is a fantastic long range tank
south beacon
only problem is that the people playing it are in no way aware of that
i got rushed by at least 20 of them in the last 30 days smh
austere citrus
they should buff STA camo(it should be invisible tank since gun isn't great(so more concealment) and the armor isn't great either).
muted rampart
@torn hatch it s not. You can penetrate it if you know where to aim and also tank is really, really, really slow. If you think The AT2 armor is broken rn you should be happy that you weren t playing before 5.5. Then it s side and rear was nearly as much armored as a front. Once i stayed alone against 6 enemies. Tier 4/5 it left 3 minutes on The clock. I was spotted and all of them (mostly light/medium tanks) got to me. They were everywhere. I Had 400 hp. And litterally this battle ended as a Draw. Because nobody could penetrate me even in side and rear. I would easly win it but i was permatracked so i couldn t move. In that battle i bounced around 8k dmg. The thing we have now is quite balanced
Edit: Yeah armor behind tracks was quite weak but still tracks was getting half of shots for 0 dmg
winged barn
Back when the at2 was introduced I nearly won a 7v1. I was 1 peashooter shot away from the 7th kill when I died. I did not know that the armor behind the tracks was weak back then, otherwise i would have won it. But that long ago, i was just your average noob.
drowsy plaza
@austere citrus best tier 8 med pen isn’t good?
austere citrus
I mean it's okay but the tank is like, not really special. A nicer camo(even though it's already good) would be a bonus.
turbid smelt
if you mean not really special in comparison to say something like Wz 120 1 Ft, then sta won't be getting buff untill they make another money making tank
there is also saying of don't fix what is not broken
winged barn
@drowsy plaza dpm and alpha are meh though. Also, heat is a trash shell, so prog/pantera are the true pen mediums
zenith basin
@unique scaffold no money? go to work, you are complaining too much 😂
dense walrus
ouch
mental pasture
My 'Wallet warrior sensor' even broke after that answer
drowsy plaza
303mm HEAT pen will cut through anything it seems in 7-9. 272mm of APCR won’t. Prog takes a beating in DPM firing prammo too, due to the abnormal alpha loss
crystal spoke
The funny part is the games not even p2w sure it might be p2win a bit more
noble quail
Pershing isn't that bad. I can't vouch for it that hard anymore like I used to, since in the era of heavy buffs, the DPM is just too low, but other than that, it's not that bad
Yeah the Pershing is not that bad and I like it, and yeah it's dpm is low
turbid smelt
@drowsy plaza they would complain heat doesn't go through objects or spaced armOuR aiming is haRd, 2° of insignificant normalization really helps and apcr definitely doesn't autorichochet at 70° if armour is not less than 30mm
unique scaffold
proper APDS when weegee
jagged crescent
i am ready for 3.5k dpm jg88 Ohyeahhhhh
grim briar
Im ready for 3700 panzer IV
austere citrus
Buff alpha on the foch 155's stock gun to 640/545/960 and buff the reload.
indigo knot
@lusty silo Jagtiger 8.8 got alpha buff on 10.5mm gun
350 on AP rounds....tho the premium rounds stayed the same....there is 90 alpha difference between the AP and APCR(premium rounds) on this tanks which is generally the case with 640 alpha gun where they get 640 and 550(premium round alpha)
Will there be a change to it???
turbid smelt
I wish that is to encourage use of ap shells than gold spamming
unique scaffold
Its alright to leave feedback right? I mean this is balance discussion.
turbid smelt
Ok, bought the T92 and so far, I hate it. It's so underwhelming now that I own it. Severely long aim time and reload speed, garbage traverse speeds, garbage reverse speed, rockets have the worst aiming mechanics I've ever seen. Bruh, what the hell was I thinking, these things are total garbo and those who can play them without missing every 4 shots out of 5 really deserve a medal.
Change the ATGM aiming mechanics, cuz it's really dumb how when you aim at the enemy tank and if something gets in the way, like a building or mound, it throws off the missile trajectory entirely. Make it so nothing would make the missile go out of control when it's fired. Reduce the length at how far you can shoot it, but improve the aiming of it, cuz it's seriously irritating to miss potential good shots, cuz a god damn rock made the rocket do a U turn, for looking at it and not having the tank directly in sight.
@ionic kraken this aiming is better, you would need to get used to it
you can still pull of sick missile hits if you could understand the way this mechanic works and a lot of practice, your tank is probably stock otherwise t92 is quite nibble and fairly accurate.
ionic kraken
No, it's not stock and it's 100% crew too. The gun accuracy is honestly garbage, I'd rather use the smaller gun. ATGM mechanics don't even show how far the rocket goes or anything and if even the slightest object obstructs your vision, the rocket will make a random turn and hit the ground instead, cuz it tries to turn where the crosshair is looking. @turbid smelt
turbid smelt
unique scaffold
Ironic enough the 152mms have godlike accuracy on them for their caliber
indigo knot
I wish that is to encourage use of ap shells than gold spamming
@turbid smelt HoRi line denies it
turbid smelt
reeeeeeeee
stable drift
Hey developers, I have been driving the mod1 and I think it needs a buff maybe some speed or dpm to make it ok again?
turbid smelt
how many battles do you have on that tank?
unique scaffold
Answer is either not enough or too much
stable drift
More than 400
shy coral
I think the Emil I turret rotate is too fast
dusky bay
literally cant shoot behind a bush with this tank, buff his concealment please
at least have the same as the Grille15 or a bit less
@sinful leaf yes but atleast in grille u dont get spotted when you dont shoot, in this tank u always get spotted
sinful leaf
How about no? I'd rather not be shot from ~220m by a 183mm gun and not spot anything.
Grille? It's concealment is still trash, wouldn't really be a buff but sure ig
full token
183 with better camo would be too bad for the game. Can’t spot it and then you lose half your HP
sinful leaf
Honestly if Fv 183 had as good camo as Grille did it might push Grille into irrelevancy
Not to mention FV 183 with better camo than at current would cause even more of a campy meta
sudden path
What do you think about these stats for tvp?
full token
Good
minor minnow
Good but makes the BatChat obsolete
hearty steeple
7.5 second to dump 1240 in a paper tank with just as bad pen. Also extremely poor dpm.
There is zero reasons to not give batchat a 4th shell.
vvvv Yes i just hope it isn't a second off clip reload and they call it a day
turbid smelt
they did say they have plans for batchation
nocturne mauve
Bat chat should remain a fast clipper, I love the quick reload
hearty steeple
It would remain a fast clipper even if it got a 4th shell.
nocturne mauve
No it wouldn’t
sudden path
What difference does a couple extra seconds of clip reload make?
I disagree, as long as you have hard cover the benefits of the buffed clip makes a 17 second clip reload reasonable.
Plus, I think the batchat lacks a bit of punch compared to tanks like the prog
full token
a lot. I like being able to reload the clip quick. helps when i have just one or two shots and want to reload. also fits well for repositioning
drowsy plaza
350 alpha and better gun handling
sudden path
Or 4 shells and 2.5 seconds intraclip.
Or could we possibly see autoloader hydrenaline on the french lights?
unique scaffold
russia should have the update of all updates and should all have 10000 alpha and 1 second of reload on all tanks
unique scaffold
Your unfunny
sour comet
When is batchat going to get buff I feel this tank is just bad compare to tier 9 of version of tank. Dpm for tier to Low at tier 10
unique scaffold
First game in the buffed AT 15A, pretty nice with the 200 alpha
coarse harness
It has better armor profile than the T8 AT
twilit crystal
@drowsy plaza no 350*4 with worse gun handling
sour comet
@coarse harness none of tank in British td have good armour profile except at 2
unique scaffold
@sour comet you give off the vibe that you complain the E-100 has no armour because when you drove out sideways to 4 tanks they all penned you
nimble zodiac
This is not the channel, holy moly this should be a meme of the server now
I guess an inside joke perhaps
crystal spoke
It just about is but not quite at the funny part
sour comet
@unique scaffold it because played those tank never in all matches have never bounce shot reliably from at8 to tortoise.
muted rampart
At 8 is quite bouncy. At 7 is meh, at 15 is more about gun than armor, but yeah, tortois deserves a massive buff
dense yoke
The stock gun got buffed in 7.4 and it was quite unnecessarily. When you get Tortoise, you research the gun asap. You don't play the stock. The Tortoise might be a frontline tank destroyer with trash armour, speed, but (top)gun on tortoise is quite good. (But Jagdtiger beats it) Hell, if you don't want your winrate to go down, just research fv183.
fiery dagger
As if the 183 is any better😆
muted rampart
The stock gun got buffed in 7.4 and it was quite unnecessarily. When you get Tortoise, you research the gun asap. You don't play the stock. The Tortoise might be a frontline tank destroyer with trash armour, speed, but (top)gun on tortoise is quite good. (But Jagdtiger beats it) Hell, if you don't want your winrate to go down, just research fv183.
@dense yoke if you don t want your win rate down why The fu** you even try to do this line xDDD tier 6 is trash, tier 7 is trash, tier 8 is meh, tier 9 is trash and t10 is funny trash
dense yoke
@muted rampart No valid/good reason to grind this trash line, unless you want to call "playing with 1300 hesh gun/collection(adding) a valid reason of why one should get it.
muted rampart
@dense yoke yeah. If you want fun tank, just go for it. But if you don t want to loose your win rate, just pass this trash
gleaming apexBOT
Warning logged for 🇵🇱🎱krzysiek1985🎱🇵🇱(☞ ಠ_ಠ)☞#7427. I couldn't DM them.
safe rapids
Im only going up to the FV because of the fun factor. Its a crap tank, like the KV-2, but its so dang fun.
dark pike
4k dpm at 15 is insane
verbal thistle
Im only going up to the FV because of the fun factor. Its a crap tank, like the KV-2, but its so dang fun.
@safe rapids 183 is super fun. But you kinda need to play second line and also you need good teammates
safe rapids
Well duh, if I don't have help in a derp gun then I'm screwed
ripe quest
Buff FV4202 top speed.
thick rover
Isn't it on par or faster than most Meds
ripe quest
its power to weight ratio is higher than most but its top speed is equal to or less than all the other meds.
thick rover
nah Patton top speed is 48
hearty steeple
Yes which brings us to the point, when is fatton buff?
thick rover
yweet
unique scaffold
Not bad for $15
noble quail
Yeah, the fatton and the fatton line needs a buff
hexed fjord
#Buff Grilles camo rating please
last shadow
No
thick rover
yes
hexed fjord
yes
outer ether
I think they should buff type 58 cause rn it's disgusting
hardy hazel
Buff yourself
outer ether
Wish it was possible, literally every battle I use it in is bad, the T-34-85 is a lot more preferable.
hardy hazel
You start with a 85mm gun you only have to grind the other modules, i think is a little bit better than t34-85 just because of that
turbid smelt
@outer ether isn't type 58 exact copy of t 34 85 just 1 kmph slower?
coarse harness
Worse pen, gun handling and mobility
drowsy plaza
Also significantly different pen on Prammo
The Type 58 can struggle in a tier 7 game significantly more than the 34-85.
Also on my first SS I had EGLD in 34-85 and not on Type. The aim times are actually the same.
turbid smelt
why is memory failing me
@Crusader6 is there hope for atleast vets to have slightly shorter text spam time?
like by 30s¿
or maybe not, I can't even ping
what is point of having 30s off when I can't even ping
drowsy plaza
For all intents and purposes the gun handling is the same. The Type gets 50 more HP and worse pen. A tad better DPM and a theoretical better speed (that does not actually occur as the terrain resistance and HP/T are in favor of the 34-85
hardy hazel
@turbid smelt if you edited from your phone you cant ping
turbid smelt
ah, I need to fire up my 2 core gaming pc
ocean orbit
just had a look at the graphs in "devs-answers" i think its obvious that the Emil needs a buff!
twilit crystal
also loses on gun depression(type 58)
sinful leaf
I can't find the funny in that sarcasm
dark pike
every single swedish heavy is top of the chart in the heavies portion
hardy hazel
Why you ask here?
terse eagle
@cedar slate no time just look video
solid cypress
I was curious, are there going to be bugs to tier 5 tanks, the balance between t5 and t6 is getting large, t5 tanks are limited on consumables, and makes for a large power difference, and many t6 tanks keep getting bugs causing a larger gap between t5 and t6
drowsy plaza
@solid cypress I will assume you mean buffs. The issue is how powercrept each tier becomes. The heavy buffs in tier 7 followed by the heavy HP buffs really hurt a lot of tier 7 Meds and Lights. Then they got buffed somewhat. Tier 6 Meds and lights are now in a bad spot when low tier. Tier 5 tanks have some pretty serious balance issues already with a lot of OP heavies - but if one buffs tier 5’s then the tier 4 get even more of a shaft. Etc.
Right now tier 10 and 9 are still the best to play for balance. WG really needs to pull the nerf bat out and go after tier 8 and 7 to make them balanced. Only then can one look at a few of the weird outliers (Vickers CR I’m looking at you)
solid cypress
In my opinion I think that t5 should vs equal or lower tiers, and t6 vs equal or higher, i play the t1 heavy tank, it's pretty stout, however when put 1 vs 1 against a t6 it gets out performed 9 out of 10 times
winged barn
._. Of all the tanks to pick you picked the tier 6 labeled as a tier 5
meager spruce
thats how it should be. Higher tier tanks should be able to outplay lower tier tanks the majority of the time
jagged crescent
you're in a t1 heavy. you have no excuse
cedar slate
Did anyone got the stream rewarda??
sinful leaf
@cedar slate at best, you only get stream rewards after the stream ends. At worse, you wait a day or so.
pseudo hedge
Tanks should only be balanced by there own tier not any other standart. A tier 8 shouldn't be balanced to perform in tier 9 and a tier 9 not to perform good against tier 8. That's what ruined PC let's not do that with Blitz!
burnt swallow
.
nimble zodiac
That would cause tiers to drift apart from their intended power-level
muted rampart
I think at all tiers below 7 (except tier 1) playing as a lower tier tank is a nightmare. Back in the day low tiers was quite balanced in this aspect, but WG did what They did and we need to accept it. I think all below t7 tanks should be rebalanced and i mean mostly a buffs. Also making all low tiers have their own playstyle again will make tank stronger in certain situations so tank played correctly will have much more chances when standing against higher tier and also this uselles vanilla gameplay will finally leave this game
winged barn
The good days of carrying a tier 8 match with a Cromwell.
And the not so good times of being a churchill 7 against an is3
unique scaffold
The K-91 should just straight up be a tier 10 tank. And the M60 needs a buff really badly.
hardy hazel
The spam of K-91 is notable rn, not going to lie, ppl rly struggles to deal with it and most of the time it makes all the battle without taking any damage
naive trellis
The K-91 is good where and how it is. Pretty balanced tier 9 imo
winged barn
Other than it having no drawbacks, sure.
Mobility, armor, burst, dpm
hardy hazel
Yep, no drawbacks at all
deft owl
Most tier 8 tank destroyers are still bad. Another half baked update as usual. Tier 9 and 10s didnt even touched at all.
nimble zodiac
ISU-152 <3
distant river
JPII <3
coarse harness
SU-101 should get more dpm
T28 more HP at least
Etc
The ferdinand is on the top of the TD charts for some unknown reason so I guess they won't touch it
I played the ferdinand when it was "overbuffed" and I really liked it tho
round bluff
whats the ferdinand again?
iron patio
um a german td?
radiant yacht
you prefer the jpanther2?
karmic portal
Ferdinand is high cause ru server is whack since many don’t use pramo. That’s why the balance charts are so off
winged barn
The ferd has a solid gun and a wide gun arc. I liked it the time I played it.
dense yoke
👏 👏 For the ru server
Also, i've always liked ferdinad.
A tank with decent armor , good gun and also 1400 hp
@versed tide Read again
crystal spoke
Once I bought it back I never had an issue with the Ferdinand
versed tide
“Good armor”
coarse harness
The armor isn't reliable at all but I would choose it over the T28 in every situation
winged barn
I would take a t28 over a stock centurion 1. That's about it
fleet sorrel
Cent 1 needs buff, fv301 is litterally better than it
fleet sorrel
if it was so obvious wg shouldve buffed it lol and a bunch of other tanks
unique scaffold
Or it's part of a larger balance plan that hasn't yet been fully implemented...
sour comet
Wg threw out balance out window at tier 7 and 8
deft owl
T28 is worst piece of crap in the entire game. Its way worse then ferdinand
echo burrow
You take that back
nimble zodiac
They have so many tanks in tier 8, they can't have each one be special, or well, good enough, at that. And for tier 7, of course the fantasy tanks had to set themselves in the meta for the sales and events, so it forced out a lot of other tanks and did a big shift in what tanks are good. It's not stopping, sadly
fleet sorrel
honestly
hardy hazel
What is tier 8?
sinful leaf
@hardy hazel It's the tier most saturated with premium tanks.
(No, I didn't miss the sarcasm, I'm just answering on purpose.)
hardy hazel
Thats what i wanted as an answer, thank you
teal palm
Tier 7 has less premiums but the tanks are more ridiculous it’s just silly
crystal spoke
Does t7 actually have fewer premiums and collectors? I thought they were just about the same
drowsy plaza
Tier 8 has 52 premiums. (Two yet unreleased) Tier 7 has 35, (1 yet unreleased)
sinful leaf
If I'm not lacking sleep, Tier 8 has as many premiums, if not more premiums than tech tree tanks at the same tier. I fear if they keep adding more, tier 8 will eventually turn into a tier where researchable tanks have been pushed into irrelevancy, aside from outliers that are broken.
crystal spoke
Huh i thought they were far closer than that
hardy hazel
i mean, there are 36 tech tree tanks and most of them are trash, if not, name every tier 8 tech tree tank that isnt trash, and then every trash tier 8 premium
winged rune
they should give the blaze more speeeeeeeed
vagrant breach
Just 2 small suggestions to make the game a bit better in my opinion:
1: add an average ping counter for the end of the battle so that way you can see if someone is actually afk or just having trouble with their WI-FI
2: add an option to directly download replays onto your device as at the moment people (myself included) have been having issues with obtaining windows 10 WOTB replays
jagged crescent
Alot of the t8 tech tree heavies/tds are anything but trash
sharp laurel
Tiger 2, Vk 100, Emil 1, Jp 2, ISU-152, borsig
FV 301,
winged barn
T32
110 is actually quite good
111g ft is really nice as well
T54 ltwt
sinful leaf
@hardy hazel
Good tech tree tanks:
Tiger II
Panther II
Ru 251
T49(Debatable, requires skill to get the most out of the derp gun)
T-44
ISU-152
IS-3(frontal hull armor is easily penetrated despite being sloped)
Rheinmetall Borsig WT
JP II
VK 100.01(P)
T32
FV301
Emil I
WZ-110
T-34-2
P.44 Pantera
Bad premium tanks:
• Virtually almost any tech tree premium because they have been powercreeped in one form or another except for Jagdtiger 88. T26E4 is a sad example of this, the sacrifices the tank makes for frontal armor that is easily rendered useless with a 220+mm penetration shot to lower plate or careful aim at the turret roof or sides.
For now, I guess you could say there is for sure more good premiums than good tech tree tanks but I have seen more game-breaking tech tree tanks than premiums as a result of balance issues in the past.
hearty steeple
Also pantera
Another debatable would be charioteer. It is also unique nonetheless. Amx 50 100 imo is also good but gets powercrept, just like some other tanks on the list.
jagged crescent
@sinful leaf Lowe, T34, and IS6 are still very usable tho
sinful leaf
I do admit that Jagdtiger 88 isn't the sole exception, and I didn't quite word that correctly.
flat bane
T34 is the most useable out of those ngl
noble quail
M48 needs buff
unique scaffold
Buff T26E4. It is so underpowered at this point
thick rover
M48 needs buff
@noble quail yeboi
jagged crescent
aim time?
low needle
Jg pz IV with T8 pen and T10 DPM is totally not broken for t6
sharp laurel
coughs coughs keni otsu
karmic portal
It’s not that broken. The dpm is good sure but you need to be exposed to use it
jagged crescent
the pen buff isnt game changing imo
turbid smelt
@vagrant breach I agree with both
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fallow eagle
Add manual zoom in for sniper mode for android devices
It's frustrating when enemy is behind soft cover and it doesn't zoom at all
hearty steeple
The limitations are the hardware not the platform. Not sure how manual zoom will work on a touch screen in a way that it is useful in clutch situations
turbid smelt
a sliderbar of zoom
fallow eagle
It should be option later in options to choose from manual zooming,auto zooming or tap for manual zooming on screen like how auto aim is
hearty steeple
this channel is not to discuss mm, please read pinned messages
noble quail
This is about tank balance not mm balance
turbid smelt
@marius_rotaru#4817 mm is random, you coukd end up with 90% unicorns or against them.
slow terrace
The number of toxic players in WoT has gotten very bad, I can’t go into a battle with out meeting a toxic player
unique scaffold
@slow terrace what does that have to do with vehicle balance?
turbid smelt
that pfp is so on point
boreal raven
ruined tier7. gg mad and hallowin tanks.
dense yoke
add more zoom for manual zoom dudes
clever musk
When you share the 32 pounder with AT15 but yours doesn't get buffed 😦 sad GC noises
lunar niche
It would be too op if it got buffed lol
turbid smelt
Game carrier is lagging behind
noble quail
M48 needs buff
crisp ingot
Wish Wargaming would make Tranfering account to other region possible
full token
They did allow it twice in the past. It seems it’s just not possible to do for them, but due to some circumstances at that time, they allowed it
hybrid swallow
WTF They taking away our Rockets🚀 from the American line? Not COOL.. imo
full token
Not entirely
hardy hazel
I hope they buff the pen of those tanks with atgm when they remove this mechanic
mossy wraith
ROCKETS are being REMOVED from the game. mostly
median ingot
That's to buy right?
iron patio
only in rooms not in regular battles
turbid smelt
I feel bad
but compensation is noice, so it is fine
hardy hazel
@median ingot 5 gold, you have to get sheridan now and you got the atgm sheridan in the 7.5, this sheridan atgm is a collector and can be sold for 5 gold
Dont know if you can buy it or rebuy it for 5 gold or more
The tanks with atgm now will be changed to shot HEAT
dense yoke
can you buy rebuy it for 5 gold? Do you need to have sheridan to unlock it?
atgms gets removed, heat replaces it
Will normal shell pen get buffed?
nocturne mauve
What happens to current t92 and sheridan
To get the missile man medal, do you need 25 battles in each tank or total?
dense walrus
the missles will be replaced with 310mm HEAT shells
@delicate moth WG stream
delicate moth
Source?
last void
unique scaffold
Hi, I am missing in quick predefined calls “Retreat”. You have “Attack” or “Defend position”, but this call “Retreat” is also very useful and it would be quite easy to add. Please think about it. Thanks.
hearty steeple
yes. communication improvements would be appreciated
nimble zodiac
@last void context, and if it's to complain about matchmaking, you won't be listened to. This isn't the place.
last void
@nimble zodiac yep i just realized:|
quasi pond
ikr they dont remove smasher and do it .. nice job
real bison
the thing is, Sheri and T92 are free, Smasher isnt. And to my knowledge, WG have never removed a premium tank
full token
T49 A, MK1 Heavy. But those were added with the intention of being temporary
turbid smelt
@real bison but they have nerfed if it was too good
Type 59 is one of the examples
hardy hazel
@steel light yes and you will have a special sheridan with atgm for special game modes, so, yeah
full token
😂
dark pike
duality of man
hardy hazel
Again, i dont see the problem of someone being gay but no one want to tell me whats the problem of it
safe rapids
Yea it's stupid
opaque cradle
k
fiery dagger
So, a question, because i'm not really caught up. Is the Sheridan and T92 going to be removed, or just their prammo changed to ordinary heat?
safe rapids
Prammo changed, but pre-7.5 Sheridan will become a collector and you can keep it if you have it in your Garage.
signal sleet
will i be able to get the sheridan collectible in blitz fair!?
ornate sigil
@signal sleet no u will only have it if u have the sheridan before 7.5
fiery dagger
So, Those who have it can still use missiles in the collector vehicle?
And then, we'll have 2 sheridans? One tech tree without rockets, one collector with them?
real bison
yes, but the ATGM one can only be played in training rooms and fun modes
twilit crystal
yeah so ATGM are basically gone besides for events
grim sand
I have researched sheridan but haven't bought it, will i still receive the collector sheridan even if i did not buy sheridan??
mental pasture
Probably no @grim sand, rush to get it if you want missiles for your rooms and modes
graceful birch
Hi, I am missing in quick predefined calls “Retreat”. You have “Attack” or “Defend position”, but this call “Retreat” is also very useful and it would be quite easy to add. Please think about it. Thanks.
@unique scaffold
He makes a point
muted rampart
Also idk why They removed "reloading" and "ready to shoot"
real bison
because there is a reload indicator
imagine not knowing the average reload time of every tank
hardy hazel
But i need numbers not a bar
plucky pumice
ATGMs being B A L A N C E D
remote imp
Can someone tell me will WG count all battles or only regular battles (700 battles for camo)?
real bison
I’d assume randoms only
blissful vigil
I think both
gleaming apexBOT
DanielM#9444 has been warned.
steel light
Don't really care
remote imp
I want to get some official answer from WG then...
minor minnow
It was on the stream go watch that
remote imp
@minor minnow they just told ''battles'' btw
queen bronze
I have seen some news about removing ATGMs, a warning that I, personally will NOT expend a single Euro more they are removed. I know I'm a single player, but I will put my money somewhere else
dense walrus
all the details are pinned in #general-blitz-discussion
hardy hazel
I see something about a nerf for the vicker cr and vickers light in the next update, there was something about its armor and pen.
Now i understand the armor nerf but why pen?
unique scaffold
I am enjoying my 3.8k dpm AT15 at tier 8
acoustic shard
Why didn't the Hellsing get the pen buffs? Every other TD seems to have been buffed besides it.
drowsy plaza
Imaging buffing a Broken Tank
modern skiff
ikr the helsing is already fricking op
acoustic shard
It's just an irregularity The pen on it was just as bad as every other tank
hardy hazel
It has a lot of things going for it the pen and the dispertion of the second shell are not one of them
austere citrus
i mean tbh, the helsing isnt that broken, my opinion. the traversse and armor is bad. it's like the wz-113, mega strong in some situations but lacking in others. @hardy hazel It's troll but not reliable. Lower plate is also very HEable by high pen HE units like SU-152 and Smasher. I think it's a pretty good tank but not OP.
hardy hazel
Lol the armor is not bad it still gets bounces and troll bounces
river perch
Rip atgms i was hoping you would have not move because this would not only show historical accuracy but would put a risk of you getting hit but they’re removing them. Also give the a legendary camo
hardy hazel
They just removing the mechanic, not the tank, also i think historical Sheridan tank shoot HEAT too
coarse harness
What does a historical Tankenstein shoot tho ?
last shadow
The souls of the damned
safe rapids
Historical Sheridan did indeed shoot the MGM-51 Shillelagh missile, but in Blitz it's just too unbalanced. PC never even thought of adding ATGMS, and removing them is for the best.
nimble zodiac
Tankenstein isn’t a bad tank 👏
Just use the 130mm
Idk what’s wrong with the 130mm, sure DPM is a bit lacking but it’s a reliable gun. With the 105mm I think the T29 takes it
Ok sure but I often don’t need it
fiery dagger
@nimble zodiac The wrong with the 130 is that you lose your whole gun mantlet And gun depression
unique scaffold
I’m surprised they are nerfing the vickers light 105. They are nerfing it too much imo. All it needed was turret armor removal. @unique scaffold pen and hesh as well I think. This meta is about turn TD real quick
How much are they nerfing?
safe rapids
Huh. From where did you get this info?
nimble zodiac
People shoot my Tanken’s lower plate most of the time, and bounce my 130mm turret often. There’s still a cupola to shoot with the 105mm
hardy hazel
I’m surprised they are nerfing the vickers light 105. They are nerfing it too much imo. All it needed was turret armor removal. @unique scaffold pen and hesh as well I think. This meta is about turn TD real quick
@unique scaffold thats why i asked i dont understand why the pen should be nerfed, the only thing that was off its the armor
orchid grove
Although, if you use the 105mm on Tankenstein, you might as well just use T29, which kicks the snot out of Tankenstein. The vehicle is just too slow for the 105mm to be worth it. Use the 130mm and treat it sort of like an E-100
fiery dagger
That's also true tho'
karmic portal
Look at devs answers, there are multiple tanks with higher performance than the vickers light. It’s like wargaming purposely wants tank that require even minimal skill to be not as strong
Exactly, the is4 gets a pass but the vickers doesn’t
hardy hazel
You have is4 its stupid and dont require any skill lol
thick rover
Wdym it is IS-4 "Skilled"
hardy hazel
Its like when you say "ooh you are really smart" to a dumb person
olive sorrel
ooh you are really smart^
hardy hazel
Rly??? Thank you dude 😁
thick rover
😅
minor minnow
Who’s gonna tell em fellas
plush trellis
😩 woah lmao
ember thunder
return the old missile mechanics to the new sheridan missile as we cant play it in normals
ez
ember thunder
return the old engine power of sheridan to the new sheridan with heat shells
noble quail
M48 needs buff
agile talon
wg pls buff bc 25 t pls it was freaking bad now
small sorrel
In before Sheridan was nerfed because of its overpowered AGTM+Engine, now Sheridan won't have ATGM, and it will still keep a nerfed speed and HEAT pen?
safe rapids
I think they should give the speed back.
frosty coral
Shame on you WG listening to all the crying about atgm. There is nothing wrong with the mechanism, it's the players that are the problem!
The tanks are OP not the rockerts
full token
mobility wasnt nerfed due to atgms
@frosty coral Lol the tanks were balanced, not the atgms
hearty steeple
^ yes. We will see how it performs after the missiles are removed and to see it needs a buff or not(it likely won't)
crystal spoke
Yes it was the players using the missiles that were the problem I entirely agree with you@frosty coral
mental pasture
@frosty coral
Missiles won't* OP, you know why? Because they won't be powered in normal battles, neither over powered
That's a real straight fact
frosty coral
Lol the tanks were balanced, not the atgms
@full token
Nope! The rockets are gash, the tanks are OP, mental armour and stupid mobility...
People crying about rockets should be banned from the game!
The tanks being stupid OP with ridiculous armour for a light was the problem...
The fact muppets still whine about missiles shows how pointless it is for WG to try and introduce new and interesting mechanics, noobs just cry cos they go boom and WG remove it after listening to their constant crying...
Sad day. 2020 So to be expected as F U B AR this year.....
regal grove
we live in a society where people cry about people crying
nimble zodiac
@frosty coral just shoot AP lmao
WAIT GUYS, egirl returns?
full token
Are you living in the time where the sheridan was just added and hadnt been nerfed yet? @frosty coral
crystal spoke
Hitting someone from behind cover is definitely a fair mechanism where the enemy can't hit back
Also the tanks them selves are fine they don't have that good of armour as long as you don't shoot spaced armour
mental pasture
OBJECTION!
"People crying about rockets should be banned from the game"
Ight, I declare myself banned from the game for 5 minutes. After those 5 minutes, I will declare myself unbanned. Happy now? @frosty coral
nimble zodiac
They reacted with fireworks, we got egirl on our hands
Uh oh, careful about calling them crybabies, rules apply.
frosty coral
Hitting someone from behind cover is definitely a fair mechanism where the enemy can't hit back
@crystal spoke Pfffffff clearly never played the game, this is just BS from crybabies about rockets. You can get shot by any unspotted tank and cant shoot back. How often do you get shot behind cover by a rocket??? Almost never, this is just a bs argument from crybabies
Sadly it's the way of the world these days, people listen to those who cry the most...
Pffff someone gonna cry but they can...
yeah...
How often does it really happen????
Kids today
dense walrus
@frosty coral how many times can other tanks hide behind a ridge, be fully spotted, and still loop a non-LOS missle around your hard cover and hit you?
Also, WG clearly doesn't listen to the people that cry the most because you aren't getting your way, are you?
sinful leaf
I literally don't see why you should be that upset over this...
ATGMs were never a balanced game mechanic to begin with because they had advantages that no other weapon system had, with no countermeasures or consequences. Not to mention WG attempted to balance ATGMs three times before removing them.
One specific thing I should mention is that even for their seemingly poor penetration for an anti tank missile, they are able to penetrate sloped armor easily because you can fire them in a way where you hit the enemy at a downward angle with the missile, hitting weak top armor or rendering sloped armor useless.
Well, there's always the collector tank for event game modes and training rooms.
crystal spoke
Its really not that hard to hit someone from behind cover using atgms. Also of course you will get hit if you're hanging out in the open the problem is when your getting hit when in cover
winged barn
Lol
all I need to say
mental pasture
@sinful leaf
OBJECTION!
You didn't answer me yet
"Yeah, they aren't hard to deal with now, because they don't exist in normal battles or ratings"
flat bane
ATGM's are just pointless in general, replacing them with HEAT would make the tanks themselves better ngl.
frosty coral
I literally don't see why you should be that upset over this...
ATGMs were never a balanced game mechanic to begin with because they had advantages that no other weapon system had, with no countermeasures or consequences. Not to mention WG attempted to balance ATGMs three times before removing them.
@sinful leaf Lol, I'm not upset...
I'm trolling, I don't care really, the rockets are gash...
The tanks are OP not the rockets...
I just find it funny people get so upset over atgm's, me, I think they're fun and irrelevant in the big scheme of things....
regal grove
this sounds like a guy who either doesn't play against people who are actually good with rockets or his highest tier is 7 lmfao
dense walrus
you sound pretty upset about ATGMs, but you're just in favor of them so I guess that makes it a fit of righteous rage
mental pasture
TAKE THAT!
In fact, if the tank was the OP part, then we would see big results in charts. But certainly the missile is the OP part, the charts are event a proof my statement.@frosty coral
Just played Ace Attorney and I feel like a lawyer
sinful trench
@mental pasture 👀👀👀👀
dense walrus
where is the chart for tanks that play a completely different game and can shoot non-LOS?
plush trellis
Lol right
winged barn
Imma be spamming the non atgm sherry when I get it
mental pasture
OBJECTION! @sinful trench Exactly that, it's the lowest on charts mostly because the tank is balance
BUT
It doesn't mean that it's ammo is balanced to
TAKE THAT! We may be able to measure how a whole tank does in a chart, but there's no how to measure how a bullet can be useful there. That's where I accuse missiles to be OP, they are the broken part, meanwhile the tank is balanced, that's why we see Sheridan to have that low numbers there.
The Tankenstein is an exemple of my statement.
Ace Attorney made me a real lawyer, and now I'm a prosecutor acusating a tank for making problems to the game
winged barn
Tankenstein? Bruh, the ammo may be op, but that just brings the dpm from completely useless to... complete trash, but slightly better.
Comparing to a tankenstein is... interesting
The Sheridan has mobility and alpha. Stein has only alpha anni and smasher no mobility, armor, or any other advantages.
mental pasture
Exactly, same goes for Sheridan
The prammo may be OP, but the tank doesn't do so well in charts (Sheridan case)
The prammo may be OP, but the tank doesn't do well in battles at all, the players are witness (Tankenstein exemple)
dense walrus
comparing the prammo-which-is-actually-standard of the Tankenstien to the non-LOS-loop-de-loop-garbage of the Sheridan is a bit of a stretch but I kiiinda get your point.
orchid grove
@mental pasture YESSSSSS!!!
A felloww ace attorney player!!!
Which game are you on rn?
@mental pasture I'm so excited for you. The Ace Attorney game series is excellent. (Be sure to play them in order, since they're more like interactive comic books than games)
Which case are you on?
mental pasture
Phoenix Wright one, the oldest version I guess
I'll try all the Nintendo DS ones, mostly the Miles Edgeworth one
Fourth case
hardy hazel
Mmm heavys rly need a viwe range nerf
mental pasture
General view range nerfs will make sniper tanks relevant again, also it'll make the maps bigger without change their actual size
View range nerfs are interesting not only for heavies, but for some TDs and maybe a few low tier meds, otherwise, we'll still having tanks that demand distance being useless in most of the cases
hardy hazel
If that happen they should nerf every tank camo rating
nimble zodiac
Yeah snipers win, turn this baby back towards WoT, where light tanks are special, instead of them having super gun mantlets, missiles, and then being outperformed by mediums overall
rapid citrus
Have u guys seen the stats of the tvp on blitzstars? Its so broken rn. The batchats actually become completely useless
dark pike
cant see it
rapid citrus
hearty steeple
Could have just linked the tvp stat page on blitzhangar
full token
That dpm tho
hearty steeple
Yeah that is really poor dpm and it needs to expose for 7.5 seconds to put the clip.
Assuming you start with a full clip, you would need a little more than a minute to burn through a maus. And looking at its poor apcr pen, you will be forced to shoot prammo and even 3 full clips won't be enough unless you high roll enough.
Forget about maus. Kranvagn and is4 have 2800 hp. You would need 59 seconds to take it down if you fire as fast as possible with apcr.
Tbh the dump time is more concerning than the dpm as you have literally no armour
rapid citrus
Compare it to the batchat
full token
its what some wanted the BC to be
unique scaffold
buff the HE
unique scaffold
Kranvagn is too strong compared to my heavies. I think they should make it less accurate for example so that it can snipe less with an invincible turret
winged barn
The bat is nice and small. The tvp is a paper barn.
The bat is better in my eyes. 2° more gun depression and an extra shell in the clip at the cost of everything else is not that good of a trade to make.
unique scaffold
kranvagn tracks are also op
Kranvagn has really bad P/w and extremely weak hull armor the tracks aren’t op at all infact because it has the amx hull design the tracks suffer drive wheel hits very often and the dpm on it is also really bad
winged barn
The hull is very autobouncy. It's quite strong for it being a "weak" hull
vital loom
Does X Patton need an up?
slow terrace
@slow terrace what does that have to do with vehicle balance?
@unique scaffold was meant to post in general discussion a
noble quail
Does X Patton need an up?
@vital loom if you're taking about the M48 then yes, the whole line needs a buff since tanks around it are buffed making it some what obsolete and old because tanks around that line are better
I think it would kind of be sensible for that line to be buffed on update 7.5 since the Sheridan and the T92E1 will not have missles anymore, so the american tree will get some and loose some
vital loom
I agree the t20 and Pershing r lacking especially against those fantasy gay tanks even tho I have 65%+ on both these tanks but they were rly a struggle
noble quail
Not a lot of players brings up the M48 Patton into discussion
Usually players just say M48 Patton sucks and that's just it, if it sucks I expected that there's a lot of players that says the line needs a buff but nah, it sucks that much that not a lot care about a buff on it. That line is neglected a lot, hence less youtube videos about that tank line, and then leads to clueless players not knowing how to play that tank line, leading up to them saying that line sucks.
And yeah, powercreep.
This is just my opinion though
candid steeple
WG revert M5 changes. HvZ purposes.
winged barn
I say buff the pen on the m48 to heavy levels. That would make it very unique among the meds
distant river
Now that would be a lot of fun actually
M48 definitely needs something to be useful, and with its size and camo it may as well be a heavium. Currently it's gun is pretty bad but giving it brilliant pen would change it up a lot so it's definitely worth a try
coarse harness
What's brilliant ?
Like 260 or what ?
distant river
I'd say maybe 255/330 so it's slightly worse than most heavies but I haven't thought about to too much
glossy marten
Yeah tbh, I feel like the only tank in the M48 line that doesn't really need a buff is the M46. The rest of the tanks just can't compete with the new stuff, thats coming out left and right. It's not like you lose every game in thess tanks, but it just takes a lot of effort to play them well.
thick rover
I feel like gun handling buff would still be best for Patton along with turret buff? (In my opinion)
unique scaffold
Annihilator advantage validates the pay to win discussion in this game.
noble quail
Yeah tbh, I feel like the only tank in the M8 line that doesn't really need a buff is tge M46. The rest of the tanks just can't compete wuth the new stuff, thats coming out left and right. It's not like yiu lose every game in thess tanks, but it just takes a lot of effort to play them well.
@glossy marten yeah, the M46 is fine. The T20, Pershing, and the M48 are the ones that needs a buff
I think WG should buff the T20 and the Pershing dpm, also the Pershing's turret armour a bit, and Buff the M48's gun handling and armour (turret cheek buff preferably)
sullen jolt
Why would anyone take the TVP when the Progetto seems to be the better option.
warm falcon
considering batchat will get "something" (basically a buff) and sheridan will lose missiles, what about buffing sheridan speed in 7.5 ? it is slower than vickers and batchat whereas batchat is smaller and vickers has armor... plus sheridan will only have a nice alpha and spaced armor wich only prevents HE and that can be avoided by shooting the turrret going for it
full token
No one knows how the TVP will be. No one has played it yet
@warm falcon Sheridan has better p/w ratio
sinful leaf
Why does everyone say Sheridan is slower? It has a base p/w of 28.
dense yoke
@sullen jolt If we are talking about stats on paper. I would go with progetto. because Progetto has:
Dpm, pen, camo, depression, reload, Aiming time, view range, Hp and alot of other stuffs.
But Tvp has 4 shots, better armor (still pretty heable), better speed (60 km/h and backwards 20), better rate of fire, better velocity (and other small stuff).
sullen jolt
still progetto has better alpha damage and flexibility in number of rounds to fire
warm falcon
after some thinking, i have to agree that sheridan has the better speed but i still think buffing it would be the best solution. if we buff something about the gun people will complain. we can't buff armor. only thing we can buff is camo or view range but it would have nearly no impact. this is why a speed buff would be nice, no one would complain about it as it wouldn't make it op but it would make it very interesting to play and fun in gamemodes.
what do you all think ?
unique scaffold
Sheridan really doesn't need a buff.
The addition of a 341 pen heat round that folks will actually land is more than enough.
sinful leaf
Just give Sheridan a 105mm gun as an option, or better HEAT even though the pen is already more than all tier 10 mediums...
dense yoke
I can see sheridan with dpm gun being good.
@safe rapids i disagree. I can see people playing 350/dpm gun that has same pen as the patton gun.
safe rapids
Again, no one would play the 105 if the 152 remained the same. Make the 152 a derp howitzer and the 105 a much more balanced and "traditional" option, for both the T92 and Sheri.
minor plover
How about no.
unique scaffold
I wanna see people who say that drive a t49 in tier 10 because fantastic idea ruining an attribute that makes the tank unique from the others and letting it fade into obscurity
winged barn
Give sherry a full alpha 152 gun, 2 rounds heat(200mm of pen) and HE
Let's really make into a real tier 10 t49
nocturne mauve
And it should have the large caliber gun sound for the aesthetic
warm falcon
Give sherry a full alpha 152 gun, 2 rounds heat(200mm of pen) and HE
Let's really make into a real tier 10 t49
@winged barn so basically totally irrelevant...
that wouldn't even be fun (at least in my opinion)...
and the point of sheri never has been to be a t10 t49
safe rapids
But it sucks that this massive 152mm gun does less than the T49. Look at the HE, it's only 680 not 780 like T49. I would give it HEAT with ~200mm of pen and 600 alpha, and HE with the current 90mm of pen and 800 alpha. Same for the T92. Then they can both have the 105 as well.
winged barn
You can't say it wouldn't be fun to zoom around dropping 640 alpha on the sides and rear of everything, and hitting those poor grilles for 960.
sinful leaf
Full alpha would be OP ngl just make the alpha same as T49
safe rapids
I'd increase it a bit but I agree that 640/960 is too much. Even PC doesn't have the Sheridan at 960, only at 910.
winged barn
Hue hue
Not really that different from 560/780 in tier 8 though
verbal thistle
Yeah
780 would be nothing for tier 10 because we already have T49 doing 780 in tier 8
full token
780 is still very significant. Dropping a t49 HE against a WT feels much much better than 680
mental pasture
OBJECTION!!!
"Hue hue" is exclusive for Brazilians, now you're going to Brazil @winged barn
tiny basin
we shall make the charioteer great again comrades
lost oar
Yeah
780 would be nothing for tier 10 because we already have T49 doing 780 in tier 8
How about 860 or 880? 🤔
lost oar
I believe that Sheridan also needs the increased accuracy of the cannon, because often the shells do not hit the enemy tank
thick rover
Give it 1000 alpha
sinful leaf
@thick rover n o
sudden path
Sheridan is fine, its balanced. It gets overshadowed by the vickers in comp but the sheridan is perfectly fine in pubs, the missle will be missed by some but a heat round will be better for the vast majority of the playerbase.
twilit crystal
id give it back the old engine power
candid steeple
guys btw premium Emil. I don't know if its out but it has better armor profile then Emil I xd. Lower plate cant be penned by most tier VII tanks while everything else is inpenetratable. Honestly I hope WG doesn't release it in that state. Tho knowing WG ...
fallow eagle
There's always 2 things complained about the sheridan and t92
1)their incredibly troll armor
2)missiles
It's fairly balanced now i think since a light cannot do damage without exposing himself with the missiles
It's mobility is also not bad(not great,but still good)
mental pasture
Actually only in 7.5 the missiles will be completely balanced, change my mind
candid steeple
If you ask me WG should make it as that you have to aim in order for missiles to follow where you pint at. It will greatly nerf missiles but it will make this game a better place.
dense yoke
The amount of times i have bounced on sheridan/t92 (7.3-7.4) is less than 6 times.
Missles can only used by the best, but its still annoying to get hit by a missle. But i feel it is perfectly fine.
Imho. Sheridan/T92 are balanced.
If wg wants to remove atgms. Then please give it the 350/dpm alpha gun that the patton has.
candid steeple
Tbh Emil I is so boring tank to play. Dpm is so low. Even if tank has OP armor its dpm doesn't make it fun to play. If you ask me it doesnt deserv the OP status that people make it seem like. Turret is *. TD can pen you and if you turn just a slight bit its easy pen for everyone. People give it too much credit. At least if it could turn turret fast and then make it Op. Honestly front armor wink wink is the only thing somewhat close to OP. Everything else is pup.
heavy galleon
@candid steeple you will regret saying that when you experience the emil 2 low dpm.
hardy hazel
@heavy galleon fun fact: There is no need to play Emil II if all you want to do is pumping up your win rate ;]
coarse harness
It's my best WR T9 right now🤷🏻♂️
distant river
@candid steeple It has the 8th best dpm at tier 8 of the 33 heavies... 🤦♀️
TDs can only pen you if you aren't using max depression, and it has brilliant all round armour, gun and mobility.
candid steeple
@distant river hmm I haven't been playing tier VIII heavies much. And no after playing KV-4 and T32 I wont call Emil I armor all around good. Emil I is all eggs in one basket. Or front or nothing. Move a turret just a slightly to the one side and penned. If you ask me armor on Emil is only not too OP because turret turn way to slow. I wont be surprised if premium Emil gets a fast turning turret. That * will be busted then.
coarse harness
It has armor where it needs
You can peek, clip out and pull back without worrying too much about getting hit
broken bridge
How long do we have to grind to the Sheridan before 7.5? Any guesses? I've got a long road ahead, but I like collector stuff haha.
bitter perch
@broken bridge Probaly a month, maybe more if u are lucky.
full token
Yep a month. Mid December is the guess, since it’s a month after the last update
cyan mauve
the nerfed the kv1 too hard you know
candid steeple
What did they nerf on KV-1? Did they even nerf it? I don't see change in armor values nor the gun. Tho who care about tier V. All low tiers are ruined.
full token
Not a recent nerf but they nerfed the armor and maybe the mobility
mental pasture
I remember it well, that age is still in my mind as wine stain stills in a white cotton shirt
The side and frontal armor were 75mm, the rear armor was the same, I guess
Also the cannon stats changed, the reload went to about 8 secs to the reload that we have now, about 10 secs
At first I was against that nerf, because I thought it was pointless and not necessary, also, KV-1 was (and still) the most classic tier 5 of the game, then I thought it should be powerful.
But Welp, I changed my mind
candid steeple
WG wanted to make low tiers trash and they sucided. Nothing is different in any way so everything feels the same. If you ask me they should cancel the entire tech tree changes but they will never do that. Who wants fun and variety.
mental pasture
Actually no, my dear friend, at that time, none tier 5 could fight a KV-1 because of the absurd DPM and armor @candid steeple
In fact, any medium/light could fight KV-1, even TDs could struggle to that tank
They may have nerfed too much the turret and the front, but it all was mecessary
safe rapids
What I don't get is why they nerfed the KV and then buffed the T1 Heavy to an insane level. It's nuts. The T1 Heavy was already strong, and they made it overpowered. The T1 needs an armor nerf and the KV needs to return back to it's original state.
muted rampart
yeah. kv 1 doesn t have 10 degrees of gd and doesn t go as fast as t1
mental pasture
Nope, T1 needs an armor nerf, meanwhile KV-1 should stay like this @safe rapids
It still have the 75mm side armor, only half of the side got nerfed. Only under the tracks is 57mm.
jagged crescent
Bring back the 75mm of side armor
muted rampart
#BringBackPre5.5LowTiers
mental pasture
For seal clubbers continue their job freely? I'd rather not
Most of them were pointless and useless, but I have some controversies about a few tanks that got "deleted"; KV-13, Churchill GC, M4A3E2, tier 5 heavy VK, etc
The only type of low tier that had an actual difference on playstyle were the TDs, but some of them continue pointless even with a different playstyle
Yeah, T-150 too
jagged crescent
T150
dense yoke
Some of the lower tiers were in battlepass for passbuyers, which is sad.
mental pasture
And those 2 in passes were pointless tanks
DW2? it had a strong cannon, but it doesn't really have a heavy tank armor
AMX 40? Too slow for being a medium, also, it's armor is actually too good for being a medium. It's basically the French Matilda, but the weakpoint to much easier to hit at this case.
AMX 40 is funny because of it's duck shape, but so what?
mental pasture
I'd rather see them destroying high tiers than destroying newbies gameplays
The real good players won't care about a seal clubber, since good players are greater than seal clubbers. Meanwhile a newbie can't stand against someone that fighted 4k times on the same tier III or IV.
For the newbies care, I say OBJECTION!
hardy hazel
That wont happen with skill based mm 🤭
So, with skill based mm, you can play lower tiers without the problem of being a sealclubber but yeah i just wanted to drop the bomb
muted rampart
@hardy hazel i don t want skill based mm.
jagged crescent
They call it “ratings”
dense yoke
@mental pasture You do realize, that new players will play with newplayers/bots until they reach 5000 battles? With exception of Rating battles.
So those with 50k, 60% wr Players. Won't really meet players who have under 5k battles.
mental pasture
Ok, that explains why none if my newbie friends have never met me in tier 7/8
hardy hazel
Loooooooool what i just read, thats a big fat lie i introduce my best friend to the game and i watched him play in his computer and he meet 2 or 3 players in tier 4 playing the covenanter in platoon, those players had more than 5k battles and more than 50% win rate, also when we played in tier 2-4 platoon we meet a lot of players with more than 10k battles playing those tanks that were removed to be sold again for real money, making a big mess out of the smashed new players.
We cant forget those 200 battles players with 30% win rate spamming premiums at higher tiers, they dont meet other noobs or bots so, thats a big lie.
mental pasture
Actually no, my friend, 5k battle, then focused in one line, is enough to get a tier 10 easily
Also, you know that if you and a mate press the battle button at the same time in the same server, there's a chance to have a fight against or with them
And Also, who said that they have 200 battles? We were talking about 5k battles a while ago, ain't I right? @hardy hazel
I've tried that strategy of pressing the button at the same time but with two platoons (one mine and other from two friends) and it didn't work, but may work fine if we try with 5k+ battles
Your accusation have no hard proof and is based on good facts, but those facts aren't good enough
Anyways, this all isn't related to the actual conversation, isn't it?
drowsy plaza
@mental pasture NA doesn’t have that type of new player MM
The server size isn’t large enough. Pretty much after tier 5 in NA new players get lumped in with everyone.
hardy hazel
Thats makes things easier to explain and understand
Me?
XD i was talking about the things the other guy said
My bad, have a good night you too :]
mental pasture
Aren't you owning me a "hey sorry for accusing you of lying"?
Yeah, for two times you said that I was lying
Hm, I see. Have a good night then
plucky pumice
They want the prenerf sheridan back then they call you 40% when they try to defend it 😂 💀
dark pike
imagine being so biased that you think every complainer is a 40%er
nimble zodiac
Would they be more whiny 40%er if I said that T-2020 isn’t trash?
Because either way I’m totally up for it
mental pasture
I think that T28 HTC isn't a bad tank, does it make me a 40% player? I don't think so
crystal spoke
Honestly the t-2020 isn't that bad of a tank when used as a med bruiser
dark pike
why get the t-2020 when is 5 exists?
rich harbor
Plz make it so that obj 704 gun is more reliable....
One second I do 540 and next I do a crit 800!
My first shots are always in -600 and then it’s usually ~630
dark pike
its rng, the damage range for the 704 top gun and other 152mm guns is 480-800
rich harbor
No it’s too much difference in alpha
T30 gun is way more reliable and it has health and a turet
austere citrus
They're nerfing the Vickers Light? Like I understand if you nerf the CR, but the Light? Why?
dark pike
its too strong as is currently, it has armor, speed and gun also take a look at the vickers light winrate
plucky pumice
^^^^It's a wolf in sheep skin
Practially a medium in a body of a tiny scout. Combine small profile + stupidly troll mantlet and you have a target that reliably bounces
torn cliff
Thanks for removing them rockets
sudden path
Wait where did they say vickers nerf?
Which channel?
The only nerf I see is armor and probably a mantlet nerf at that
sinful leaf
The penetration nerf for Vick light is what I'm confused about. If it's only HESH pen nerf I'm fine with that otherwise I'm unsure. Armor nerf is a definite yes though, has the medium equivalent of upper plate hull and side.
@unique scaffold you ask me, but Blitz threw realism out the door ages ago.
unique scaffold
Small nitpick I have not that it matters really why did wargaming give the two lights the same muzzle velocity as all the meds when they literally gave it their own made up shortened L7 variant
autumn zodiac
It also has almost tier 10 medium DPM and penetration
hardy hazel
i see no problem with the pen and the dpm, its a 105mm gun, what i could change aside the armor is the accuracy
autumn zodiac
jagged crescent
im surprised about the vickers light nerf
CR makes sense. I hope its a turret nerf. For Light, im just praying that they touch the hull only
autumn zodiac
"light tank"
hardy hazel
Thats the cr, i was talking about vickers light.
I get the point about dpm in that tank but it only hold itself where it is because of stupid turret armor and the speed.
Vickers light has its hull armor and the mantlet, i think everything else is ok with it
unique scaffold
The light doesn’t even need a nerf considering how good heavies are. It is also so easy to push onto. Cr needs a nerf but vickers light is balanced
hello people when will the upgrade for the kranvvagn come out
mental pasture
Tsk, tsk. CR have a too good mantlet for a light, it's mostly like a real good medium instead of light. Even with this detail, I don't blame the tank.
I would find more interest a "medium tank update" to make outclassed and obsolete tanks back to the fight and deal with heavy and TDs updates. I'm talking about precision, turret armor and agility buffs, or do you think that tanks like SP, Perishing, T44, M46, etc doesn't need it?
elder radish
having a look at player base stats... Vickers 9/10 are both OP
noble quail
I fully agree that the American mediums need to be buffed
warm flicker
OK,Atgm has been removed in next update.Mind if the engine power were buffed back to 850hp?
unique scaffold
@elder radish there are tanks better than vickers t10 according to the chart...
full token
@warm flicker The nerf to mobility was never because of the ATGMs
turbid smelt
it partly was
it wasn't possible to catch sheridan and it could get multiple attempts to lob missiles
apcr pen is fine for random battles
earnest crest
2 things of the regular Sheridan will be buffed, the mobility and something else... hopefully the ap pen or dispersion
noble quail
I thought sheridan only has apcr, heat and high explosive
dark pike
yeah
twilit crystal
Where is the vickers light nwrf ?
thick rover
The nerf to mobility was never because of the ATGMs
yea I don't quite understand why they want the engine buff
elder radish
@elder radish there are tanks better than vickers t10 according to the chart...
@unique scaffold
There is one medium tank (STB) that is better, and vickers is the best LT by far...
turbid smelt
@elder radish in the same graph 140 is performing just as good as t62a, while having inferior stats
same case with obj 263 and 268, and same case with leopard 1 and fv 4202
t57 heavy and fv 215b are also very far behind, even tho they are very good tonks
I don't trust cis server stats
twilit crystal
Why tf are u talking about a vickers nerf? Where did u get the info ?
karmic portal
Still I feel tanks like the maus and is4 get a pass while tanks like the vickers don’t. I heard some guy talking about a pen and armor nerf for the vickers. But idk where he go info
thick rover
Why tf are u talking about a vickers nerf? Where did u get the info ?
@twilit crystal I think they mentioned during stream
twilit crystal
Can you all stop spreading false info without atleast a source ?
elder radish
@turbid smelt I trust stats over opinions any day. Especially when those opinions include FV215b is a 'very good' tank (for example). And when my experience (30k games, 68% wr) lines up closely with what the stats suggest.
The FV215b is an unscary, slow, massive, glass-noob-cannon. In game, almost every other enemy tank worries me more than FV215b.
I agree with the point someone made above, blitz is a HT-bias game. I think it's the small maps that limit LT/MT major strength (maneuver). Anyone who's played ratings knows the HT bias, as do the stats.
That's the only reason we could say Vick is not OP. But otherwise there's a reason many people (including me) love that tank (and are hated by our enemies when in it).
turbid smelt
@elder radish there are other sites with overall stats of every server, which do better job of gauging stats of tanks
I have 62k battles and get decent winrate of 69.42% in 30 days when I get time to play, as per experience of that many battles cis server stats in #devs-answers contradict what I see on general basis on eu server
players were using 215b in tournaments, it is definitely not a bad tank
what does lacking mean >:D
me a nitpicking 180° boi
unique scaffold
You really can’t deny 215B is pretty lacking now since wg messed with it and didn’t even fully revert the past changes the camo it received came out of nowhere and feels like they just gave it to the 215B to make up for the needed changes just like the T110E4 never said it was bad^
hardy hazel
Can you all stop spreading false info without atleast a source ?
@twilit crystal you got me there buddy, someone send me a screenshot of someone talking about 7.5 leaks such as atgm removal, vickers line nerf and bat chat buff, but i deleted it because i was short of device storage, sorry for that.
If i can find it again i will send it here translated from spanish
twilit crystal
I mean the atgm removal is confirmed and ribble did very strongly hint a batchat buff i can buy all 3 but i would like to see the source
turbid smelt
@twilit crystal
thick rover
To what extent is the source reliable? [8 marks]@turbid smelt
turbid smelt
a strong 42 out of 8
autumn wolf
Atgm is going away for sure? Finally it was so bad -.-
jagged crescent
They made a mistake announcing it. Sheris are now everywhere
mental pasture
Chill, my friend @jagged crescent, there won't be so much Sheridans in a couple of weeks
jagged crescent
Still a mistake
solar zealot
sheridans should be given back their mobility after the missiles are removed
last shadow
Why?
65 is more than enough and
28hp/t is pretty good
teal raptor
sheridans should be given back their mobility after the missiles are removed
@solar zealot - The Sheridan and T92E1 do not need any buffs to their standard parameters.
They still have an insane amount of spaced armour.
They are still fast. Very fast. Exceptionally fast when you consider the alpha they hit with.
They still have light tank camo.
They still have sloped and troll armour profiles.
They still have great gun depression and elevation.
They still have good view ranges.
... the only thing that might change whether they need a buff/ref is the shell velocity and dispersion on their HEAT rounds. At present the APCR shell travels as fast and as accurate as any other medium tank shell - which is just silly.
Take home point: Sheridan and T92E1 are exceptionally strong tanks even if you take the ATGM option away.
thick rover
RollingSwArm?
dusty juniper
#nerfemil1
full token
They’re going to next update
left minnow
Balance suggestion:
-buff chieftain mk 6's accuracy slightly because kamfagn can aim+shoot long before youre aimed in, and chieftain can be penned by mostly anything
-nerf t110e3's commander hatch because heavy facehugging it cant pen using premium ammo (the picture up if you scroll shows t110e3 is best wr tank in tier 10 in the sample range of players they used)
-buff tech tree tier 8 pershing because its worse in everyway to a panther 8.8
muted rampart
@left minnow if you nerf T110E3 hatch it will become completly uselles
left minnow
i think T95E5 has a hatch that is easy to pen
thick rover
T95E6?
nimble zodiac
Yeah probably
turbid smelt
nimble zodiac
Position the hull sideways and it gets much scarier
candid steeple
Can we just stop complaining about meds not being able to face tank heavies with turret armor? Adding armor just makes more problems. Nothing will be solved.
vital loom
Emil got nerfed?
full token
not yet
sudden path
Buffing the batchats interclip to 2.8 seconds is laughable. What, are they scared to give the batchat an actually dangerous gun? At least 2.5 seconds or 350 alpha would make the rank strong.
The vickers light nerf is fine, but a cr nerf is also needed. Emil 1 nerf should be coming though so these changes are subject to change.
Good buffs for the pattons, but the hellcat? Oh boy.
coarse harness
CR is more broken than the Light and they leave it untouched ?
thick rover
Aren't they nerfing it too
full token
We don’t know the exact buffs. We don’t know what Blitz Post’s source is. Afaik Open Test is supposed to open tomorrow, so idk how they’ve got those stats unless it’s from checking game files or whatever, or WG gave a small summary
sudden path
Right, that's why I have hope. We know that an emil 1 nerf is coming, and it's not listed, so we will see. But if these changes are true, not good.
full token
Atleast there’s a buff for the batchat. Personally I don’t really see a big need for the batchat to get a buff because on its own it’s pretty decent. Just the Vickers and Sheridan do things better most of the time
Yes but there’s worse tanks that needed a buff, so I don’t mind that the Batchat got a buff this small, if it’s true
dark pike
if these two tanks do things better most of the time, then isnt the batchat underpowered compared to them, warranting a buff?
thick rover
Anyone thinks patton need turret armour buff on top of handling buff 🤣
meager spruce
Buffing the batchats interclip to 2.8 seconds is laughable. What, are they scared to give the batchat an actually dangerous gun? At least 2.5 seconds or 350 alpha would make the rank strong.
The vickers light nerf is fine, but a cr nerf is also needed. Emil 1 nerf should be coming though so these changes are subject to change.
Good buffs for the pattons, but the hellcat? Oh boy.
I pretty much just want to agree with everything from this comment. But aside from that I want to add something on. Sure it is not that urgent but when is E3 going to be rebalanced too? Like I am fine with the tank being as it is stat wise, but at least remove the special consumables. The speed boost just allows you to at an enemy at like 45 km/h while having an extremely good armor profile.
safe rapids
Balancing a tank around consumables is kinda dumb imo
twilit crystal
sheridan view range is actually kinda bad :P, 260, t92 is fine really but the sheridan prob should get that engine back, I think heat probably makes the tank better on average but for high skill players focusing on missiles it was way too broken
meager spruce
@safe rapids before the e3 received consumables it was still one of the best tanks in tier 10, clearly seen in the stats posted every update in #devs-answers (the tank is always either first or second in the td category) . The consumables were pretty much an unneeded bonus. E4 should have been the recipient of them, but that is a story for another day.
coarse harness
There is no completely bad line
Like if you would give the grille line spall liner the rhm and the grille would be fine but the WT just straight up broken
The same happened to the E3 line but the T28 is still trash, the T95 idk honestly the lower plate feels pretty bad with that mobility and the E3 didn't need it at all
But if you give 183 any kind of buff/consumable people will start a riot
full token
The FV line was bad. Until the AT15 buffs. Not very good tanks
dense yoke
Tortoise is still garbo
muted rampart
Walt, can somebody send a link to 7.5 changes?
drowsy plaza
Nothing official yet
And posting links to leaks is forbidden.
BlitzHangar should have OT changes up tomorrow
twilit crystal
i can't remember blitzpost being inaccurate ever but yeah its still a leak @teal raptor lol no their APCR does not travel as fast any other medium tank, t92 gets 600 meters and sheridan is 900. Most meds are 1400
teal raptor
@twilit crystal - Shell velocity of 1000m/s is on par with the t-22, wz121 and progetoo.65. That is a 600 alpha shell out of a light tank. AND that is before we consider how good its dispersion and aim time are relative to the shell calibre and vehicle platform... Bruh.
twilit crystal
ok my bad 1000 but its still not 1400, theres nothing broken about their shell velocity,
unique scaffold
Nice vickers light 105 pen is down to 240 😦
dark pike
the what
austere citrus
ngl, chieftain mk6 is a good tank but the upper plate is kinda weak ngl. Sounds a bit crazy but maybe a buff in the upper plate? Like maybe nerf some other areas because the upper plate on the chieftain is very weak.
nocturne mauve
No it doesn’t need a buff
full token
How is that part weak? Its got a steep angle so unless youre looking straight down at it it isnt so weak
winged barn
Upper plate is autobounce. Just use a slight bit of gun depression and you cant even see the upper plate
karmic portal
I don’t get why the light was nerfed and not the cr. It should have been other way around but ok
winged barn
@karmic portal small, intelligent steps.
plush trellis
Lol, like the 2.8 bc Intra-clip buff 😂
Wtg wg. Couldn't give it the more of a buff that it needs
dark pike
oh that 152mm to 127mm nerf is gonna hurt for the vickers light
sour comet
Poor batchat still going be worst of out of 3 light tanks
austere citrus
if u seriously want to make the batchat competent. 3x350, 2 second interclip. Sounds fair or no? Other people's suggestions would help. I mean personally I rather have 4x350 but that might make it broke.
real bison
I’d rather 4X310 than 3X350
nocturne mauve
No because that’s not the BC play style, I like it for having a quick drum reload
If intraclip was buffed to 2.5s or it has 350 alpha with 3s it’d be all that’s needed
spark star
the type 61 and STA-1 are suffering and needs buffs to make em competitive
seriously they have the armour scheme of a light tank but none of the mobility to compensate for it
austere citrus
u could just make the camo like ridiculously insane.
full token
Type 61 is ok. Doesn’t need any buff. It has a good gun
fiery dagger
Sta could maybe use some DPM buff, so it'd be on par with the Type 62's playstyle.
twilit crystal
all tier 8 meds need a buff, firstly 240 alpha for all the 90 mm,, then buff the mobility, also buff the dpm for most to 2300 atleast and more. Gun handling should be closer to tier 9 and ten too. CDC really needs that handling buff
pseudo hedge
Everything below 240 is just abysmal to fight with at tier 8
coarse harness
Only because of the mediocre dpm
hollow sandal
Tbh i see sheridan getting buffed in upcoming updates
Because since there is no atgms, the dpm will be very poor
dense walrus
the DPM doesn't really change because ATGMs are being removed. in fact, I would argue that the effective DPM would actually go up with a normal HEAT shell.
jovial tide
So.. If you remove the ATGM feature of the Sheridan then you should give back it's horsepower you took away before. Also, I'd suggest increasing the HE alpha since there's no more rockets that need to be compensated with low alphas. Other Sheridan (rocket one) can stay as it is right now.
nocturne mauve
I wonder if its HE will also be an ATGM and if the velocity will change
nimble zodiac
@dense walrus Actually, yeah, flight time with ATGMs would reduce DPM vs HEAT, if they aren’t as fast as HEAT
unique scaffold
You can have another shot reloading on the way as soon as you fire rather than the ATGM which people who suggest it for the KPZ will never understand the Sheridan doesn’t need buffs as it’s already a solid vehicle on its own at most the HE change would be suggestible but it’s not really all that needed
nocturne mauve
Less effective with KPF, because it can’t runaway as easily
finite urchin
I know this is probably not going to be seen, but instead of getting rid of the smasher, you should give it the 107mm zis-6 instead of the 152mm.
fickle glade
I know this is probably not going to be seen, but instead of getting rid of the smasher, you should give it the 107mm zis-6 instead of the 152mm.
@finite urchin the name of the tank is smasher for that reason so putting the 107mm is like meh
finite urchin
Then call it the toucher
lucid plover
the slapper
finite urchin
the exister- S̶m̶a̶s̶h̶e̶s̶ t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ e̶n̶m̶y̶ l̶i̶n̶e̶s̶ Correction: Exists theough enemy lines
rich harbor
The cupola sucks on mk6
I got drep HE by e100 twice in it for 900
jagged crescent
Wiggle wiggle wiggle
old reef
Dear WG have You thought about changing the "Penetration boost" perk?? It realy seems useless after You changed the penetration to +-5%...
frosty oriole
i like calibrated shells, its pretty useful
thick rover
Wargaming: Gives E3 consumables
Also weegee: Scared 2.5 intraclip batchat is OP
manic bough
Ji
unique scaffold
Did you guys know wargaming is scared of the player base? They are too scared to buff/nerf tanks that they need to. They think we are going to get angry at them and they will make a mistake, and overbuff a tank again. Xd
karmic portal
Scared? Not at all
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold or they are looking at data that is far more massive than anything that we have access to and the demands of some of the player base don't line up with that data.
winged barn
Overbuff a tank again...
looks at tier 7
Yea, they have no problems with overbuffing tanks.
jagged crescent
wheres the CR nerf
fickle glade
wheres the CR nerf
@jagged crescent finally they are nerfing british "lights"
twilit crystal
LOLOLOL WG
karmic portal
I didn’t think the light was the super broken one. Oh well. At least I can play the cr more
unique scaffold
“Kpz 70 isn’t bad”
lunar niche
Makes no sense at all to just add +5mm to pen and +10 to avg damage.
Even the 2.8 intraclip reload buff on BC seems pointless. They are getting the Leopard treatment.
winged barn
@unique scaffold that's basically a useless buff. And the kpz70 isnt bad
fickle glade
hope WG sells the kpfpz in the black friday
hardy hazel
What a nerf for the Vickers light
mental pasture
Lol WG, that -0.2 intraclip will be so useful...
rapid citrus
I hope when the tvp is added theyll add another shell and buff the alpha too@mental pasture
fickle glade
What a nerf for the Vickers light
@hardy hazel good nerf to the gun since it's the "short" version of the cent 7/1 fv4202 tank
hardy hazel
Tbh i dont see the gun as the main problem but the armor in general
If im not mistaken, it has something to do with accuracy, but im not a expert in tanks and such
thick rover
what are the implications of being the short version
karmic portal
In reality less velocity so less pen
What the guy below me said
rapid citrus
@thick rover usually shorter means less time in the barrel, less pressure building up, less rifle effect, so could translate to lower velocity or lower pen
flat bane
What are they nerfing on Vickers CR?
Really? A lot of people said it's going to receive a nerf.
hardy hazel
@flat bane there is no nerf for CR in the list that tronzacon send
but i think the pen of the 105mm gun will be nerfed because Light and CR share the same gun
karmic portal
The cr should get the pen nerf tho. Cause if it doesn’t that would be hilarious cause it would have more pen
@flat bane on the post it doesn’t mention that
fickle glade
what's the point of researching the brithis mediums if you have the "lights" with the same penetration? it doesn't make sence
hardy hazel
the funny thing about all this is the fact that CR is going to remain pretty much the same 😂
@fickle glade research meds first so you have almost all the modules for the light tanks when you start grinding them 😂
noble quail
What? WG is nerfing the M48?
interesting... They are touching the american mediums
full token
Buffing the M48...
noble quail
Oh, they are buffing it
I'm wondering if they are gonna buff the line in the next update, because it's about time to make the line not powercreeped
charred tendon
Could you slightly buff the kv-1, so it fit better in the support heavy role?
spring magnet
Bruh, it's strong enough already if you know how to angle it, even without angling it's very strong
jagged crescent
nerf the t1 heavy then
Wg smart
noble quail
I agree the T1 heavy is too strong for new players who are starting out
And also, why is the T1 heavy more armoured than the M6?
Isn't the M6 a better T1 heavy?
mental pasture
Interesting, his claim is very interesting
noble quail
See what I mean
sinful leaf
They biased tier 5 meta like they did tier 10 but the armor is actually broken on T1 Heavy. How is any medium meant to reliably fight something with that good of effective armor, and can move considerably well? BDR, idk, I find the frontal and turret armor a pain, but the side is about as effective as T1 Heavy, only difference being T1 Heavy is able to rotate considerably faster. IDK why they haven't nerfed T1 Heavy yet lmao
Edit: The KV-1 before 5.5 was fine, because it taught players how to use armor effectively and sidescraping. Now you don't really learn either because the armor profile doesn't punish you for not using your armor well.
karmic portal
Not only that but they buffed it
safe rapids
The KV-1 needs a buff to its state before update 6.2 andT1 needs a big armor nerf
gentle oxide
I think a good balancing thing for tier 10 would be to buff the shell velocity and dispersion on the object 268 a little bit, it feels like it can’t do it’s job as a td when their tanks practically drive out of the way of its shells, and it misses fully scoped in. Only a small buff though
noble quail
the obj 268 is balanced for me
If they buffed it's accuracy, people will start to complain about Russian bias
hardy hazel
Hope they nerf Emil I soon
thick rover
Buff E4
sinful leaf
Yes can you please give some love to the E4
mental magnet
E4 already good, what you would buff on it?
I meant buff*
sudden granite
E4 already good, what you would nerf on it?
@mental magnet e4 is one of if not the worst tX, they are saying it needs a buff. Either buff the cheeks or the hatch so it’s not this butter bruh
unique scaffold
Nah E4 is just one of the most useless tier 10s wargaming literally gave it a legendary camo out of nowhere to make up for its fading relevance
thick rover
Pfft
full token
Challenger buff is pretty nice. 300 alpha that often is a lot of dmg. Nearly 100mm alpha
spare totem
will there be a buff for the vk28 derp gun? even its heat is abysmal in pen stats
unique scaffold
War gaming generally doesn’t like the derp guns at Lower tiers
gentle oxide
Flashbacks to t82 pre 5.5
verbal thistle
E4 is the worst tier X TD
No gun depression
And a tumor of a cupola
spare totem
right but even at tier 6, with the smasher at tier 7, the 68mm pen it has is terrible
hardy hazel
Tbh i want to see that but just because of my selfishness, VK28 is one of my favourite tanks but rn the derp gun has no use
spare totem
it has 330 alpha, which at tier 6 is perfectly balanced imo with the reload it has, but the ammo has such uncharacteristically bad penetration at tier 6 it's boggling.
The vk28 has everything it needs to be very balanced considering armour, reload, dispersion etc and it makes me sad what could be a fun, fair way of playing isn't valid
unique scaffold
No that’s not balanced? Derp guns at low tier are not balanced you can wipe out lower tiers with two shots like nothing and your a light with armor majority of them can’t even penetrate plus your also mounting in knowledge you can get uptiered and face tier 7
hardy hazel
Tier 7, eww
spare totem
"you're a light with armour"
considering this is the vk28 we are talking about then you aren't too bright
the vk28 has 60 on front armour, no long range abilities since the dispersion with all modules is
.440 with terrible dispersion, up close the gun is also awful because of the pen.
its hitpoints aren't excessive and if you did try to yolo with the derp you'll be shot down because you're a light tank at tier 6 and the derp on light tanks is designed to be played smart
unique scaffold
That’s a bit ironic considering you ignored the fact I said you have armor a majority of lower tiers can’t pen sooo Dont start throwing shade and as I said before derp guns aren’t meant for lower tiers at all because of the seal clubbing problem and you literally listed the reasons why you shouldn’t use the gun anyway so
noble quail
Tbh i want to see that but just because of my selfishness, VK28 is one of my favourite tanks but rn the derp gun has no use
it can startle light tanks in low tier
I forgot that the VK 28.01 had a derp gun, there goes most of my hit points in my Leopard a few battles ago
hardy hazel
Vk28 is a good tank but only when you use the 75mm gun, you can do things with the 105mm but the heavy spam and op tier 7 tanks will slap you rly hard
Fun fact: Vk's derp gun is useless rn, if you want a 105 gun go and play leo or get the dpm gun on the kv2, that way you could do a favour to the world and yourself
spare totem
most lower tiers can pen it, the derp is a tier 5 gun too and the only space the HEAT (114mm pen) cannot go through is the 60mm front armour so please stop the "it has good armour" tripe.
and "the gun is bad why use it" is an awful argument when we are trying to argue for why it should be improved you idiot lmao
vital loom
Do British mids need up?
hearty steeple
Please be civil. And dogofwisdom already said why the derp gun is in the state it is in rn.
spare totem
the stock gun is even better on penetration too, with its prammo being 180mm pen instead of 114mm.
why even have the gun there, or even complain about balancing vs low tiers when the 2nd choice is a tier 7 gun?
hardy hazel
Because of alpha, 310 at tier 6 is too much, the way of balancing that is giving the gun bad pen, accuracy and reload time.
Also its funny because of kv2 having the same gun but better in every single aspect, and if we are going to talk about guns in lower tiers then we have to talk about alr guns, kv2 derp and why wg decided to make the box a collector tank while giving pretty much the same gun to a heavy tank that has everything going for it
storm dome
What is ping?
tender bison
ping is the counter that determines how fast your game or whatever is loading, in milliseconds. the higher the ping, the longer it will take to load, which also lags and doesnt load certain frames or actions @storm dome
storm dome
Then im fine with it😂 i have less than 500 ping each game
young relic
Please dont nerf sheridan
tender bison
@storm dome thats not that great. 500 milliseconds could be the difference of you shooting before the enemy does and u winning the battle. a good ping should probably be around less than 100
storm dome
@storm dome thats not that great. 500 milliseconds could be the difference of you shooting before the enemy does and u winning the battle. a good ping should probably be around less than 100
@tender bison what?! 😨 😰 😥 that's why i see that whenever my tiger 2 shots hit a tank on a move, they almost always either miss or hit on red parts😭
hexed fjord
what tank should I choose as a unicum: Chimera / Progetto 46 / Action X / Shark / Chrysler K / WZ120 / something else. I want the most broken tier 8.
candid steeple
Its good that T54E2 Shark has almost inpenetratable turret while shooting fast. Healthy design by WG as always. Like why is tier X tank model design with sharper cheeks implomented in tier VIII? Who thought of that. E5 at least has pennable cheeks.
Frontal turret armor 240mm at that angle. I mean ...
E5 frontal turret armor 203. Again Shark is tier VIII. This is tier X. Hello WG what did you drink too much? Hello design team.
teal palm
Good ping IMO is 100 or less
@hexed fjord yes
tender bison
@hexed fjord maybe skorpion g?
jovial tide
#BuffNonRocketSheridan
fathom crypt
Nerf emil 1
noble quail
They are planning to nerf it
dusky cargo
KV-1 only has 57mm sides now, why is that? KV-1 was never that op yet wargaming decided to nerf one of the most iconic ww2 tanks for no apparent reason
I know it was very sad, but they turned the T-1 heavy into a tier 5 monster and nerfed a player favourite the KV-1
unique scaffold
Tier 5 was entirely rebalanced incase you didn’t know
turbid smelt
@dusky cargo it was dethroned so other heavy could dominate
turbid smelt
t7 car and light 6c were always terrible
let them rot
scarlet fjord
why does the FCM 50T have almost the same DPM as the Lowe but also less alpha?
like it should have more DPM its a medium
srsly 2200 DPM is lackluster for that med please buff DPM
spark star
give the type 61 at the very least a camo rating buff
32 stationary
28 moving
and 7 upon firing is trash for a tank with literally no survivability to speak of
seriously the PTA has a much better camo rating than this thing has and that has better mobility and the same gun while this thing sucks its thumb at the corner getting outspotted by nearly everything in its tier
this is the worst medium in tier 9, do something about it, everything about this thing is suffering
muted rampart
@scarlet fjord because FCM is Premium that wargaming loves to give out for free.
dark pike
wow a near insignificant buff to the batchat
spark star
seriously is this a sick joke? even the E-50 and the T54E1, both tanks that have something unique going for them has a BETTER CAMO RATING than the Type 61
its so bad that the type 61's camo might as well be put onto a heavy
and both those tanks have armour/burst to compensate
the type 61 has nothing
meager spruce
bruh. Its 2%/3%. Just slap a cammo net on it if you are so unhappy with it having lower cammo
muted rampart
@meager spruce but type 61 is glass cannon. not like e50 or t54e1
dense yoke
Nerf type 61 gun a bit and then buff its camo rating
Lookin at 10% depression
@late spindle If everyone loves type 61 soooo much, stop asking for a buff and love it for who it is
late spindle
the 61's perfect rn doe honestly loved it way more than the pta
spark star
this tank? perfect? perfect for what? dying? the PTA can run, this thing cant
the PTA can hide, this thing cant
and good luck using ridgelines with that tumour
drowsy plaza
PTA can’t do anything. It’s literally the worst tier 9 currently as anything you’d want it for the Vickers CR does better.
drifting arch
PTA has certainly been powercrept. Feels like a number of tier 9 mediums have suffered the same fate. M46 Patton, Type 61, PTA.
drowsy plaza
61 got a significant DPM buff.
The M46 is still a beast
The PTA however is just massively underwhelming
dense yoke
Also Pta/61 can get he'd easily, vickers can't
that is because kranvagn is very VERYYYY GOOD in hulldown,it has op consumables, good gun and only heable in back
also kran dpm depends on how you its autoreloader @late spindle
late spindle
if you dont perform well in a tank it doesnt mean its bad also the 61 maybe when compared to other tanks using different sites may suck but people thought the dpm on the kranvagn sucked now i dont see anyone asking to buff the kranvagn's dpm just like that the 61 performs really well in battle depending on how u play it if you're cautious then u can actually do very well the tank's good and better than the pta imo and the reason i say its better is bc of the fact the pta has a really weak ammorack and can be taken out easily with a well placed shot. @dense yoke ik it depends on how u use it. its kinda what im saying here it depends on how you use the 61 its a great tank just have to be cautious and not really get into brawls
noble quail
PTA has certainly been powercrept. Feels like a number of tier 9 mediums have suffered the same fate. M46 Patton, Type 61, PTA.
@drifting arch yeah, I wanted to see WG give the M46 a buff, but looking at the statistics shown in #devs-answers, it doesn't need a buff
But yeah, the lightly armoured mediums gang is kind of overshadowed by the armoured medium gang
Yeah, the vickers cr made those mediums kind of useless since it performs similarly like a medium
drifting arch
@drifting arch yeah, I wanted to see WG give the M46 a buff, but looking at the statistics shown in #devs-answers, it doesn't need a buff
@noble quail
@noble quail Amongst the better players it appears that people perform in it, it’s just a very stock standard tank. What does it have going for it? I’m not really sure. Not much of a hull down medium with a weak turret, not much of a brawler with low DPM, not much of a spotting medium with its mobility. I’m sure you get the idea. 3/4 years ago, these tanks were really desirable. I loved my E50 to bits. Now, it’s much easier to dominate in a Vickers CR, and HE all of these ‘forgotten’ mediums to oblivion.
drowsy plaza
E50 still does well, honestly the med that lost the most recently was the PTA. The 61 and the Patton have DPM, and 10 degrees of gun depression. The 7/1 has HESH, the E50 has some armor and ramming - the PTA has 6 degrees and paper and gets riddled unless it stays out of the way - which it can’t do reliably due to the lights that will crush it.
Now the 7.5 pen nerf on the Vickers will be interesting, but it’s only 245 down to 240, and HEAT wasn’t touched apparently, so so CS, it’s going to be 251-252mm APCR making some shots a little more awkward but nothing too terrible.
unique scaffold
And give the 7/1 and 4202 HEAT and HESH as premium rounds for the same gun already.
turbid smelt
didn't they tried that before and they turned out to be too strong
safe rapids
Yes
unique scaffold
@turbid smelt it's a different meta now
thick rover
😅
nimble zodiac
Mmm .4s off BC’s total reload
drowsy plaza
7/1 doesn’t need HEAT. 268 APCR and 231 HESH with CS is entirely useable
I just wish they gave that gun option on the Vickers Light 😉
‘Balanced’ 🤡
sinful leaf
HESH gun on Vickers Light 😂 😂
unique scaffold
That was kind of the point of what I said ...
noble quail
if they added that gun in the vickers light I'll just cry in my M48 not being able to counter it
outer glen
F vick pen will be nerf
muted rampart
M48 gets accuaracy buff. Well if gun dispersion at movement etc. Won t be really big it s still not enough. At least blitz post said it will get one
noble quail
Yeah, that buff is not enough
But hey, atleast it's a buff. I hope this also means that they are buffing the other american mediums
And yeah, for example the Pershing, it desperately needs a buff.
The American mediums are messed up right now those aren't even jack of all trades anymore.
spark star
wanna know what other joke tank needs a buff?
M26 Pershing
the most mediocre tank I have ever driven and frankly it was so boring that I sold it to go grind the RU, that was months and months ago and I'm not coming back to it anytime soon
safe rapids
It's a fine vehicle, but I would up the pen to 190 and buff alpha to 240. T-44 gets a small pen buff, IndienPz gets an alpha buff to 240, Panther II is fine, Cent needs buff to 225 alpha, T-34-2 is fine, STA-1 needs alpha buff for 2nd and top guns to 240, Pantera is fine.
limpid dirge
I think 2.8 buff on batchat didn't affect much on it, shhh, i mostly playing light tanks on tier 10.
Sheri's missiles will gone, i can't having much fun on it anymore, Vickers will get nerf, and my batchat get buff but hopefully that 2.8 intraclip give batchat more abilities.
Disaster for light tanks player, pathetic.
winged barn
Made the Sheridan better, made the batchat better. Definitely a disaster.
mental pasture
The Bat Chat DPM increased from 2806 to 2,863.
I wonder why devs are afraid to give at least 2.5 intraclip for "avoid a subsequent nerf", but they weren't afraid of giving special consumables to T110E3, a tank that was definetly good even before this
Neither afraid of make Annihilator ultra strong like that, or maybe much other op tanks
limpid dirge
I kno it's better for sheri, but there's no fun thing to get and becomes Regular T49 gameplay, moving around with better pen apcr on it
Batchat wasn't that bad actually, but it didn't compete well on this heavy meta especially when there's a lot Kranvagn, IS 4 etc moving around
turbid smelt
@mental pasture i think that is done so bc doesn't over take vickers
winged barn
Regular t49 gameplay is very irregular from basically everything else. The t49(no atgms) is one of the most played tanks. It incinerates credits, yet people spam it. I don't really get the argument that I have seen people make about the sherry being pointless without atgms
mental pasture
Sheridan have 3 things that everyone likes;
- Speed
- High calliber guns
- troll armor
It doesn't look pointless in my eyes
unique scaffold
Smasher is balanced
fickle glade
Smasher is balanced
@unique scaffold and annihilator too (sarcasm)
limpid dirge
Regular t49 gameplay is very irregular from basically everything else. The t49(no atgms) is one of the most played tanks. It incinerates credits, yet people spam it. I don't really get the argument that I have seen people make about the sherry being pointless without atgms
No it's not, it'll make sheri easier to play and better accuracy, missiles just hard to hit that thing, although it'll bring less fun things that missiles can give
noble quail
I rather face a smasher than an Annihilator
winged barn
Playing against missiles is not what I would call fun.
In fact, I would classify that as extremely unfun
sinful leaf
Missiles even after the nerf were plain annoying. They lock out ridgelines whenever a T92 or Sheridan is camping there, or at the very least make it hard not to bleed hp. They also just ignore sloped armor because haha close-range arty go brrrr...
@limpid dirge You can't simply relocate safely when it comes to missiles, if you happen to fight against a competent missile user they will shoot missiles over your hard cover and penetrate, even when you're trying to relocate.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold and annihilator too (sarcasm)
@fickle glade
Hey,
Sheridan was balanced with missiles
And was not at all an OP tank.
And did not just destroy my tank from all the way across the map.
Nope.
The Sheridan is the most fun tank to come up against.
Yay WG.
....
(I wanna be sarcastic today. Anybody wanna join?)
Buff superpershing
mental pasture
As like I said a lot of times, Sheridan was always balances in my opinion, the only problem were the missiles. ATGM is op, not Sheridan.
Your sarcasm is quite right @unique scaffold
fickle glade
Buff superpershing
@unique scaffold that's why i sell it now it's a meh tank
limpid dirge
@winged barn Play missiles then 🤣 , besides all you need is relocate relocate and relocate against them, meanwhile when they're isolated alone and no support they will ded if you push them with 2 tanks due to bad dpm
winged barn
Ah, here we go again
relocate
Let me try to out relocate a light tank
If they are alone, it's a bad player, and they should not be in a light.
Just push them?
Tanks that are faster(maybe):
Batchat
Vickers
possibly leo 1
Anything else the sherry can easily outrun.
But again, the sherry made some serious mistakes to put itself in that situation.
fallow jewel
As like I said a lot of times, Sheridan was always balances in my opinion, the only problem were the missiles. ATGM is op, not Sheridan.
Your sarcasm is quite right Akshar
@mental pasture but will it get a buff for its DPM for the exchange of its ATGM being removed? cuz it has such a bad DPM for those ATGM :/
sinful leaf
It's usable, but I'm not sure why you're expecting good DPM from a derp gun.
full token
Dpm is fine. It can do 3k-4k damage battles even with low dpm
unique scaffold
Play missiles then 🤣 , besides all you need is relocate relocate and relocate against them, meanwhile when they're isolated alone and no support they will ded if you push them with 2 tanks due to bad dpm
@limpid dirge
To be fair....
If ever am I to see the Sheridan of my team in trouble.
I'll leave him to fate.
I am fine with annihilators though...... Since I Command the VK 100.01p.
So to me..... The annihilator has zero DPM.
fickle glade
@limpid dirge
To be fair....
If ever am I to see the Sheridan of my team in trouble.I'll leave him to fate.
I am fine with annihilators though...... Since I Command the VK 100.01p.
So to me..... The annihilator has zero DPM.
@unique scaffold platoon of annihilator and you are done
full token
You’re taking a tier 8 against a tier 7. Tier 8s are most often just better than the tier 7 tanks. There’s no surprise that the tier 8 will do better against a tier 7
rare sleet
w..wut.. Nerfing the vickers light but not nerfing vickers cr.. Wow great
unique scaffold
I like how he cherry picks the sole situation of killing the Sheridan as when it’s alone and has no support which literally applies to every tank and knowing the sheridans reputation will never happen most of the time
frosty oriole
lol are you kidding me batchat gets -0.2s intraclip wow amazing batchat OP
dense yoke
I would love if wargaming could bring us the 350 alpha gun on sheridan also known as dpm gun
mental pasture
Bat Chat DPM raised 57 damage, clearly OP @frosty oriole
full token
People want a bigger buff when they give a small one, but you also want smaller buffs when they do big ones 😂
regal grove
^^
it's the right direction at least
turbid crow
Here's my suggestion :
-
Make Annihilator's aiming time 2x worse & increase its reloading time to 18 sec
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Buff ARL V69
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Nerf Sweden tank's armor
autumn zodiac
Annihilator needs a penetration nerf.
ARL V39 is fine as is, it's mobile, it's HE resistant, it's got a solid gun, and good camo to boot.
- Emil 1 needs a nerf
fickle glade
Here's my suggestion :
Make Annihilator's aiming time 2x worse & increase its reloading time to 18 sec
Buff ARL V69
Nerf Sweden tank's armor
@turbid crow i will prefer a dmg nerf like 150dmg per shot = 450 total dmg (annihilator)
hardy hazel
I will suggest a frontal hull armor nerf to the annihilator, sometimes i bounce out of nowhere when everything is crystal clear
full token
It’s just steep angles. The frontal armor doesn’t pose too much of an issue
frosty oriole
tbh yea nerf annihilator individual shot damage to like 180 or something
540 alpha is still quite plenty
winged barn
@autumn zodiac does the arlv39 still drown in an inch of water?
L
autumn zodiac
Idk
full slate
When wargaming will nerf the annihilator ? Clearly this tank need a nerf. You cant get a game without a annihilator.
real bison
can’t get matched with annihilators if you don’t play tiers 6-8
hardy hazel
Well you cant get to tier 8 or 9 without playing tier 6 and 7, so...
fickle glade
When wargaming will nerf the annihilator ? Clearly this tank need a nerf. You cant get a game without a annihilator.
@full slate Premium tanks can't be nerfed only buffed
dense walrus
Premium tanks can and have been nerfed.
full slate
Just look. Almost 10000 people own the annihilator and his stat are the best in Tier 7. (way better than Smasher who was the better tank in T7 before this tank come.) https://prnt.sc/vkyzhg
And like said tankeatingtiger premium can be nerfed.
real bison
@full slate ever considered who mostly owns the annihilator? Better players do.
nimble zodiac
And then there’s all the good players with the Ferdinand lmaooo
distant river
(smasher on left and anni on right)
@full slate The stats are not "way better"
@real bison You can see the stats of the players who own it from the graph, light red showing the players 90 WR and light orange showing their career WR, you can see that smasher players have slightly higher 90 day WR but it is nothing significant.
hardy hazel
Is not shining because of good player spaming it but because big alpha, stupid armor and speed consumible, also the fact that the gun is so accurate after shoting the first shell is making it to be efficient even from mid and long ranges most of the time.
nocturne mauve
Stats come from the player not the tank, having an “op” tank doesn’t mean you’re already good with it
cobalt wren
Will the Sheridan lose its swimming ability?
full slate
@nocturne mauve So we can said Smasher is not a broken tank then lmao? Stats come from player
real bison
@full slate just because the Obj.252 has lots of armour and is fast, doesn’t mean it’s OP. If a player just yolos in, they’ll probably die/ take a lotta damage
nocturne mauve
Smasher isn’t a broken tank, it’s just overrated and no one understands, youtubers who make tons of videos about it being broken or whatever don’t help because it misleads people
hardy hazel
So the tank is well balanced and ppl dont understand that, thats what you are trying to say, right?
full token
Smasher is OP. Needs a nerf. Idk about broken
jagged crescent
Broken, OP, Busted, we really need a universal term
unique scaffold
U are broken
hardy hazel
Are u ok bro? 😔
minor olive
What if the Japanese heavy line came to blitz? Oh
real bison
@minor olive they’ve explained why they’ll never come
dense yoke
Would love to see reload nerf on Anni making it to 18-15s reload. Or even a pen nerf.
-
@minor olive Japanese heavies are too big and wg said they don't want to add them. I mean they have a derp gun/armor and decent speed which makes them very good. Mabye in the future, when we mabye get bigger matchmaking/maps. Mabye there would be chance there. Anyways it best to keep high hopes for yourself.
flat bane
Pretty large boy ngl
unique scaffold
Omg the fcm legit needs a buff. I don’t have anything to work with. Either give it more dpm or put a little more armor in the turret
fickle glade
Omg the fcm legit needs a buff. I don’t have anything to work with. Either give it more dpm or put a little more armor in the turret
@unique scaffold the turret can bounce some shots :/
minor olive
I mean it’s French. Enough said
unique scaffold
Like I really don’t care how bad a tank is, I just need something I can use. I don’t even have dpm in this. All I’m asking is for them to buff the dpm to make the reload like 5.5-6 seconds
lavish cargo
fcm supposed to be a heavy tank lmao
muted rampart
@lavish cargo in this game it s a medium'
candid steeple
I just know that as tier VII its pretty annoying to pen FCM. As tier VIII its a cake. We wont talk about tier IX. But remember guys. WG policy. If they accidentally make a tank too strong they cant nerf it because its a premium. I would rather not touch it.
Nerf to Tiger II lower plate when?
260mm effective armor without angling. You got better chances of penning upper plate then lower plate. Logichal right?
hardy hazel
You have cupolas
candid steeple
@hardy hazel do you even hear yourself what you are saying? So out of entire tank you say that I can only pen cupola up front without spamming gold. Pls consider your answer again.
mental pasture
@candid steeple lie, big fat lie
The WG owns 100% the rights and the codes of the tanks. They can and they do when they want. WG even have nerfed premium tanks before, ain't I right, @dense walrus ?
hardy hazel
I dont use gold on cupolas, the same happens with E 75, everything in the front of that tank is red and i dont see ppl crying about that @candid steeple
candid steeple
@hardy hazel you have just proven that you got no game expirience. Every tech tree tier IX heavy tank can pen E75 lower plate. Unless you are a medium tank drives so you join the 220mm pen cry med party because surely medium tanks suck in this game. Tiger II cant be penned by tier VIII heavy tanks nor meds and nor some tds of the same tier. Lower tiers are supposed to struggle against higher tier armor heavy tank specially E75 because its only good at it.
Btw I never said that I use gold for penning cupola. So ignorant and blindly trying to find something wrong about other persons argument. Prove me wrong about E75. I dare you.
@mental pasture I hope that that was a sarcasm.
Did you ever see them nerf a premium? I mean they would have nerfed Smasher by now. Wouldn't they?
mental pasture
It was tottaly serious, there's no written policy about not nerfing premiums, I doubt you to find this in an official website @candid steeple
Most of tanks in tier 8 can penetrate Tiger 2 with prammo, and most of heavies and TDs does this with AP
You know why WG didn't nerf Smasher until now? Because they don't want. It's simple, direct and fast. They just don't want.
unique scaffold
You do know majority of tier 8 heavies and TDs can pen the tiger 2 right? It’s not some invulnerable death machine as you say it and e75 is still a tougher target than the tiger 2 never encounter the two head on always go for the sides
frosty oriole
tiger 2 is better out in the open
e75 has a stronger upper plate
hardy hazel
I can pen Tiger 2 lower plate, cupola and some times turret cheeks without prammo, i cant do the same to E75 when using conqueror, im not the best of the players out there but im not bad either
long sierra
@candid steeple "Every tech tree tirler IX heavy tank can pen e75 lower plate ." hmm 🤔
dense yoke
Wargaming way of balancing Tiger2 is making it's Lower/upper plate almost the same.
- I feel tiger2 lower plate should be able to be penned almost every tank at same tier, just like E75/E100 . Therefor
Tiger 2 should get an upper plate buff, but a lower plate nerf and speed nerf in exchange
nimble zodiac
E75 can't be penned in the LFP by many tier 8s
@candid steeple with standard shells
candid steeple
@dense yoke 100%
@nimble zodiac most tier VIIII heavy can pen E75 with gold. Did it many times.
edit: Thats why I said gold. I know standard cant.
Most tier VII heavies can't pen Tiger II with gold.
We are not talking about the turret here. Load gold and turret cheeks are cheez to pen. Cupola is just tricky because of rng stuff. Tiger II moves turret to the side just a bit and its a easy pen for standard ammo. I am talking about the hull. Hull is way too overstated.
Nerf lower plate.
karmic steeple
I see people are still trying to shoot tiger 2 lower plate. Nice
drowsy plaza
Turret is weaker.
mental pasture
@candid steeple objection. If the Tiger 2 angles perfectly, the upper plate will be around
270mm without normalization, 255mm APCR and 245 AP
BUT
If you can't pen the Lower plate, you can try the turret, 220mm for AP shells
A real good armor, but nothing against a good tier 8 prammo
runic coyote
The Tiger 2 don't need a nerf because it's stats arent that good
drowsy plaza
The 174-208mm max effective MG port on the upper glacis is an easy pen if you know where to shoot, and don’t want to spam Prammo or if you have low pen and are for some reason deciding on a frontal with the T2
I mean I fail to understand why folks have issues with the Tiger 2, there are considerably more problematic tanks in 8 than it.
candid steeple
@drowsy plaza what other tier VIII? You mean premium ones? WG doesn't nerf those.
Tiger two needs a lower plate nerf. If you ask me Emil I is somewhat broken but it actually needs as some amount of skill to be played without getting your turret peppered. Tiger II just rolls right in the open takes no damage because there's nothing to pen except dancing with rng with cheeks. Its has standard dpm. Btw I don't know why it sacrifices 150 dpm for a maxed gun that it only +10 more mm of pen. WZ-120 guns grind flashbacks.
I will complain about tiger II until the day that I see that upper plate is not easier to pen then lower plate.
unique scaffold
#fcmbuff
sinful leaf
@candid steeple WG nerfed Type 59 before so uh your claim about WG not nerfing tier 8 premiums is already flawed
dense walrus
Vk 168.01 P and Is3 Defender as well.
hardy hazel
Dont touch my precious tier 8 prems, i have 2 of them but its all i need to buff my win rate and average damage
drowsy plaza
@candid steeple I can’t help you if you think the Tiger 2 is invulnerable in the open. Do you even understand it’s armor profile?
I mean the Comet a rather anemic pen tier 7 med can front pen it. Let alone the sides and rear.
noble quail
I think most players try to flank it after they can't reliably penetrate it's front
hardy hazel
You have cupolas
mental pasture
And turret
austere citrus
What do you guys think about a medium with armor at tier 8 but bad acceleration? @winged barn Yes. @finite urchin Nerf lower plate so I can Smasher HE pen the lower plate. I have done it before but make it weaker.
winged barn
Type 59, chimera
finite urchin
You should nerf the Annihilator's armor a bit. People hate the smasher, but at least it has pennable armor. Its so annoying getting half your health depleted then not being able to do anything back.
noble quail
It's a premium though, WG can't nerf the tank
But can be artificially nerfed by buffing the tanks around it
nimble zodiac
It’s called power creeping
soft glen
fcm supposed to be a heavy tank lmao
@lavish cargo p 43 was supposed to be a heavy tank
thick rover
It's a premium though, WG can't nerf the tank
But can be artificially nerfed by buffing the tanks around it
Dearest spart will explain to you 😂
tall owl
I dont think fcm needs a buff/nerf. Simply because it is one of the difficult tanks to master. But when you really do master it, its very reliable. And frankly, it sticks to its codes as a medium (having good mobility & traverse, and a strong turret mantlet to perform hulldown/peakaboo). And to top it off, if you angle the front just right, you can have some troll bounces. And its a premium, you cant really buff it smh
austere citrus
Buff 215B upper plate from 152mm to 180mm. I tested it and tank destroyers can pen the upper plate with AP.
graceful garden
Wargaming, could you all please add discounts for Swedish food provisions (crackers/salmon) to Clan Supply? Thanks 🙂
austere citrus
What do u guys think about 2 second reload for bat chat instead of 3 seconds and instead of 2.5 seconds?
analog rain
give kv2 heat rounds 😂
thick rover
2 second....?
I mean it's ridiculous to me
austere citrus
2 intraclip reload.
jagged crescent
@viscid blade lookie, someone wants a ufp buff
@austere citrus ok but the 113 also falls apart to tds but nobody has a problem with that heavium either
minor olive
@austere citrus that’s sort of the point of a TD... it’s used to pen thick bois so why would the 215b need a buff? laughs in T110E3
austere citrus
I penned the upper plate with AP rounds. Heavy tank suppose to have armor. I should pen the upper plate with APCR/HEAT not AP.
unique scaffold
AP has the best pen of all the rounds not all heavy tanks have super thick armor they just have moderately armored bits that become paper to TDs and CS heavies
azure sun
Like everything at t8 can pen the whole pike nose of the is3
analog rain
u can pretty much pen anything upclose t8
viscid blade
we just gonna ignore that almost every t9-t10 tank can pramo pen the 215b's ufp easily ._.
turbid crow
It was tottaly serious, there's no written policy about not nerfing premiums, I doubt you to find this in an official website @candid steeple
Most of tanks in tier 8 can penetrate Tiger 2 with prammo, and most of heavies and TDs does this with AP
You know why WG didn't nerf Smasher until now? Because they don't want. It's simple, direct and fast. They just don't want.
@mental pasture I could pen Tiger 2 upper plate with T92E1
mental pasture
Of course, with both of cannons @turbid crow
All you need is a 270mm HEAT, 255mm APCR or a 245mm AP if the Tiger 2 is angling
unique scaffold
Tiger two ez pen
empty copper
I mean the Comet a rather anemic pen tier 7 med can front pen it. Let alone the sides and rear.
@drowsy plaza
Pen it where? I assume we're talking about prammo, but are we talking a tiny target like a cupola or MG port that a Comet is almost never going to actually hit, or a decent chunk of plate?
nimble zodiac
MM yes I use a 152mm HEAT round to penetrate a tier 8 heavy
hardy hazel
I use a stick and a small rock to punch a hole in a maus ufp, very effective if you ask me.
But yeah, Tiger II is not hard to pen compared to E75,
storm dome
I use a stick and a small rock to punch a hole in a maus ufp, very effective if you ask me.
But yeah, Tiger II is not hard to pen compared to E75,
@hardy hazel e75 has godly front armor, even glacis. But it can be penned when facehugging. Same applies for tiger 2
twilit crystal
2 second is not crazy for the batchat, honestly give it that and i won't ask for alpha buffs. Then you can burst quickly and escape
round bluff
did I read up there that a comet can pen the tiger2 from the front?
nimble zodiac
They must have meant in the cupola, shame.
With APCR they can hit the MG port on the frontal hull, but ofc that's not a practical argument
candid steeple
@austere citrus so you are saying that IS-4 front upper plate should be buffed because every TD can pen it. If we are looking at things as if TD shouldn't be able to pen a tank them you see well. Most heavy tanks armor should be buffed then.
Btw. Jeez Tiger II armor is pennable because T92E1 310mm pen heat round can pen it. What is that argument supposed to mean. Ah right Smasher is balance for tier VI because tier VIII pens it with ease. Do you guys even hear yourself?
vital loom
Are the American and the British mids getting buffed?
full slate
It's a premium though, WG can't nerf the tank
But can be artificially nerfed by buffing the tanks around it
@noble quail They can nerf premium tank. Sometime you cant trust youtuber who said "premium cant be nerf".
scarlet fjord
The annihilator spam is so annoying
Smasher is more broke
but u didnt sell smasher for 10$ to the whole community
there's a couple at least in every game you need to fix this tank
unique scaffold
@scarlet fjord smasher was like the same price. Honestly I think annihilator is better than smasher. #FCMBuff @muted rampart it was like $15
muted rampart
@unique scaffold no. Smasher was way more expensive and then most people didn t know it will be broken
Idk how was that in dollars, but in my country it was more than two times expensive
full slate
Smasher is expensive because it is only crates. It become the same thing to the annihilator.
scarlet fjord
@unique scaffold No Smasher was never that cheap
and with the battle pass you also get a lot of gold credits free exp and many many more rewards
which makes the 10$ even less of a wonder
Smasher is also nowhere near spammed as much its in fact rare rn
Annihilator is in every game
Scratch that multiple Annihilators are in every game
unique scaffold
@scarlet fjord smasher was pretty cheap dude the first time it came out. It was money not crates
candid steeple
When you play tier VI or VII now you see or double Anihilator squad or Smashers. That's what tier VII became. Just keep away from those tiers. Not worth playing unleas you are grinding.
distant river
Smasher was never cheap it was around £40 when it first came out I think? Thats a joke for a tier 7
hearty steeple
It was 30 dollars base. But the actual price changed depending region and platform
sudden granite
It was 30 dollars base. But the actual price changed depending region and platform
@hearty steeple jup, for me it was lik 27€ at the time I think