#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 167

drifting depot Oct 11, 2020, 2:20 AM

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There used to be a channel named matchmaking discussion

crystal spoke Oct 11, 2020, 2:21 AM

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#general-blitz-discussion that was mm improvements discussion and only covered the new improvements they did at that update

jagged crescent Oct 11, 2020, 2:25 AM

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you ever tried to improve something that is random?

winged barn Oct 11, 2020, 2:26 AM

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They should make it more random again. Improve the randomness

crystal spoke Oct 11, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Tbh i forgot why but it was a separate que for i think really bad players or the ones who were reported too often but I honestly forget

It was quite a long time ago

hardy hazel Oct 11, 2020, 2:34 AM

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I dont rly have a problem with mm, i just wanted to ask that because i always see a random guy saying things about it here just to find the same answer "dont cry about mm here" but i didnt see a single channel to talk about that, thats why i asked.

Also, thx for the answer :]

full token Oct 11, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Finally Smasher is balanced. Was so weak before. Well deserved buff 10/10 🙄

winged barn Oct 11, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I think it needs an alpha buff next

austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 2:43 AM

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220mm HE shells

mental pasture Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Not balanced enough

170mm cannon for smasher, accept it or leave the game

austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 2:57 AM

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u mean 380mm, then we have 10k damage per shot, and 15k HE

cerulean gorge Oct 11, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Shhh smasher is in the game for about more than a year , it didnt trash meta or matchmaking , it is fine , ppl did buy them and risky their lucky for it
You wanting or not , wallet Warriors needs to exist in order to F2p players to existi
Complaining about smasher didnt change anything in this year , wont change now

thick rover Oct 11, 2020, 3:08 AM

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🐔

full token Oct 11, 2020, 3:26 AM

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It did change something. WG got the tank buffed

spice bloom Oct 11, 2020, 3:28 AM

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just what the smasher needs Xd

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austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 3:28 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/crab-safe-dance-gif-13211112 this is wargaming and smasher gang

Tenor

misty swan Oct 11, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Next thing on the list is the T-22 boys!

frosty oriole Oct 11, 2020, 4:47 AM

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what in the hell, smasher buffed? this literally shows that WG has no intention of nerfing it

could a WG staff please explain the reasons for buffing smasher's camo?

teal palm Oct 11, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Blitzstars says the kv2 has 5% camo while smasher has 14%
That is actually unfair and ridiculous

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2020, 5:10 AM

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It’s really strange why only the camo was buffed? It’s a heavy tank I’m also curious what the reasoning is for

jagged crescent Oct 11, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Or the reasoning for any type of smasher buff

drowsy plaza Oct 11, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Well let’s be honest here, tier 7 is a clown show of OP tanks. The entire tier needs a rework.

tall owl Oct 11, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Everyone: “noooooooo! Nerf smasher!”

Wg:
@mental pasture ~~its not like well over 500+ alpha damage with AP with 13 second reload and thick turret is balanced enough~~. We need to be reasonable and buff the reload to 7 seconds 👌🏻

crystal shuttle Oct 11, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Buff AP penetration

tall owl Oct 11, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Petition to make smashers pen to 240

winged barn Oct 11, 2020, 7:07 AM

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But then the heat would be pointless. We would need to buff that to at least 300

eager shadow Oct 11, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Is there a certain amount of tier 10 tech tree tanks that wg aims to bring into game

weary scaffold Oct 11, 2020, 7:17 AM

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Amazing. Buff the most OP tank in the game. Epic. Error404: Braincells not found for WG. What a joke

turbid smelt Oct 11, 2020, 7:23 AM

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i never considered it as the most op...

candid locust Oct 11, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Such a little buff...i find it funny though

crystal shuttle Oct 11, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Such a little buff...i find it funny though
@candid locust i think the buff didnt change anything

karmic portal Oct 11, 2020, 7:24 AM

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It’s not about what the buff did. It’s the fact that wargaming actually considered buffing it

weary scaffold Oct 11, 2020, 7:43 AM

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^ Needs to be nerfed. I can’t even believe they’re actually buffing it

karmic portal Oct 11, 2020, 7:46 AM

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They already did, it was this update

frosty oriole Oct 11, 2020, 8:26 AM

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honestlly, we need the input of a developer

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Why do you people keep making the same unfunny joke

winged barn Oct 11, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Why does wg cause the same unfunny joke

ionic kraken Oct 11, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Eh, for as long as they make these stupid decisions, it'll keep on going

torn cliff Oct 11, 2020, 11:06 AM

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LMAO, who suggested to buff Smasher mad af

tall owl Oct 11, 2020, 11:20 AM

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It’s not about what the buff did. It’s the fact that wargaming actually considered buffing it
@karmic portal this is what everyone was talking about. barely anything changed about the smasher, but for the fact that wg thinks its not well performed enough as it is, till they had to really fix that leak.

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Also reading up on the other buffs it really just seems like they grabbed the most random tanks they could and buffed the camo for some reason they buffed tankenstein and gravediggers camo which once again they are heavies and can’t even put a camo on in the first place??? Really unnecessary buff which only proves how disconnected the balancing department is from the whole team

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Those are largely inconsequential buffs and for all we know are part of a bigger set of changes that we are as of right now unaware of.

verbal thistle Oct 11, 2020, 11:45 AM

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WG should actually buff deathstar camo just a tiny bit because it's absolutely awful
Nothing's more annoying than getting spotted in your TD while travelling to a bush at the start of the match

fiery dagger Oct 11, 2020, 11:54 AM

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Don't play the 183 then. That's the point.

frosty oriole Oct 11, 2020, 11:56 AM

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if anything needs a camo buff its the grille

dull osprey Oct 11, 2020, 12:22 PM

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buff comet armor or its aim on the move

gaunt coyote Oct 11, 2020, 12:54 PM

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hOw bOuT ThE PeNeTrAtIoN InStEaD?

ionic kraken Oct 11, 2020, 1:06 PM

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@unique scaffold I think they buffed camo ratings for them exactly because those tanks can't put camos on. But yea, like, Nightmare, Scavenger, P43 Ann are kinda understandable to have some better camo, but not the T7 heavies.

turbid smelt Oct 11, 2020, 1:08 PM

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@verbal thistle 183 is fine, bit inline mobility buff I would suggest for

it doesn't need camo with that inaccurate spud launcher

thick rover Oct 11, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Tank: argued to be unbalanced
Community:

Don't play the tank
Oh it's balanced because the other tanks in other tiers are good

tall owl Oct 11, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Tank: argued to be unbalanced
Community:

Don’t play the tank

Oh it’s balanced because the other tanks in other tiers are good
Yeah, this is balance discussion, if were being told to “not use the tank” then whats the worth for discussing it? This channel is literally for discussing tanks that needs rebalancing, besides of asking a tank to get buffed or nerfed, what are you people expecting?

winged barn Oct 11, 2020, 2:03 PM

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The 183 is only fun for the person playing it. The person on the recieving end is not having a good time. There is a reason why people say do not play it.

drowsy plaza Oct 11, 2020, 2:08 PM

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183 will never be balanced for Blitz with that alpha and pen combo

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So instead of admitting that the 183 isn’t fit for Blitz, they just made it awful.

nocturne mauve Oct 11, 2020, 2:14 PM

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183 broken but bad, too many braindead HESH spammers because they know the premium has no disadvantage compared to standard HE. If the HESH had less damage than HE then it’d be fair

winged barn Oct 11, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Wait, it has HE?

lolz

compact nymph Oct 11, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Why even loading HE with the poor shell capacity it has anyways?

nocturne mauve Oct 11, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Never said I did, but HE should have more alpha damage than HESH

drowsy idol Oct 11, 2020, 3:15 PM

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ap should have less alpha

blissful vigil Oct 11, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Why? 900 is 3 shots from a Obj 140 or T-62A. Which is around 15 second. Faster than the FV183 can reload.

The only thing that makes people say it's unbalanced is the good Damage per shot. But in reality it's nothing special

sinful leaf Oct 11, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Bruh Nightmare with camo net is almost going to be a tier 5 E 25

drowsy idol Oct 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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well poking is a thing so you could perfectly trade with mediums no matter what as long as you have support

nocturne mauve Oct 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Ah yes, e25 with that shell velocity

distant river Oct 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Why? 900 is 3 shots from a Obj 140 or T-62A. Which is around 15 second. Faster than the FV183 can reload.

The only thing that makes people say it's unbalanced is the good Damage per shot. But in reality it's nothing special
@blissful vigil 62.5% higher damage than the next highest alpha gun is something special.

blissful vigil Oct 11, 2020, 4:16 PM

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@distant river yes it is. That's why people complain about it. The DPM itself with AP is horrible. It's only when you switch to HESH things heats up

coarse harness Oct 11, 2020, 4:16 PM

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JG E-100:
"Am I a joke to you ?"

👇 👌

turbid smelt Oct 11, 2020, 4:16 PM

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The 183 is only fun for the person playing it. The person on the recieving end is not having a good time. There is a reason why people say do not play it.
@winged barn I can't understand this, is it fun getting hit by some other tank? No, it is not
getting hit by 183 pretty much means you are extending too far or yoloing like a clown

sinful leaf Oct 11, 2020, 4:20 PM

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@nocturne mauve shell velocity makes it harder to snipe, but that doesn't really matter when you're used to derp guns. Although, making snapshots would be difficult because someone can legit drive behind cover before the shell hits if they're already moving.
~~The bigger problem is the accuracy, camo is kinda an pointless buff to begin with~~

twilit crystal Oct 11, 2020, 4:37 PM

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yeah at this point the 183 is fun for everyone coz its ez dmg farming to farm against

blissful vigil Oct 11, 2020, 4:48 PM

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You can shoot once instead of poking for multiple shots

mental pasture Oct 11, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I think that Badger should be on 183 line, it have much more AT-2, AT-8, AT-7, AT-15 and Tortoise blood then a 183 boi

But let's be honest, 183 is a classic and too meme for remove it from the game

austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 4:51 PM

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When is FV 383 coming out? 383mm gun with big HE shells. 50k credits per shot.

frosty oriole Oct 11, 2020, 4:56 PM

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collector tanks wont be put back onto tech trees because people have already bought them for gold.
compensating for gold probably wouldnt work either because players will be angry

turbid smelt Oct 11, 2020, 5:13 PM

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if you would think about players they would get angry over that

drowsy idol Oct 11, 2020, 7:53 PM

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i don’t think they’d be angry because they’ll need to pay 6.1 mil creds in exchange of like 20k gold. you can buy something like the vk

frosty oriole Oct 11, 2020, 8:02 PM

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no you dont get it. the buyers of the tank often buy it to feel special, and if they become tech tree then the ability to exclusively play that tank is gone which makes the buyers angry

raven dawn Oct 11, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Give kv5 the improved engine power boost
Armor sucks so give it speed and ramming

Make it so you can sell 6 tanks every 6 hours

The badger isnt special as soon as it was sold for gold

And let us equip/unequip 5X exp boosters because we dont need them on premium/collector/elite tanks

drowsy idol Oct 11, 2020, 8:26 PM

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so a tank an hour?

raven dawn Oct 11, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Kinda but 6 for 6 hrs

nocturne mauve Oct 11, 2020, 8:38 PM

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The reason there’s a selling limit is so that people don’t fully mess up your account

sinful leaf Oct 11, 2020, 8:42 PM

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^ You shouldn't be selling tanks anyways unless you're like me and screwed up credit management and is now permanently broke on credits with few tanks unless they yeet $200 at WG

woven harness Oct 11, 2020, 8:53 PM

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or you have a load of collector tanks and are madly selling them to buy a shiny new VK 90 or something

raven dawn Oct 11, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I want tank freedom

boreal hollow Oct 11, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Does anyone know when will sheridan finally get ballanced? Like nerf armor or mobilty and nerfing rockets, or rempving it from the game?

raven dawn Oct 11, 2020, 9:09 PM

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It will be powercrept over time like batman

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2020, 9:19 PM

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It received nerfs to all characteristics though the speed was nerfed and the penetration the armor isn’t an issue unless you can aim

sinful leaf Oct 11, 2020, 9:19 PM

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The mobility already got nerfed, the spaced armor is to counter those who shoot HE or can't aim at center of mass, and ATGMs are only able to be used well by a small portion of the whole WoTB playerbase. If you want a tip on countering ATGMs, just don't sit in a spot wide out in the open behind terrain, makes it easy for anyone to slap a HEAT missile into your tank.

muted rampart Oct 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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sheridan already has been made balanced

austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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remove the spaced armor, then it will be fair

sinful leaf Oct 11, 2020, 9:32 PM

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You realize I just said that only a small amount of people in the whole playerbase can use ATGMs skillfully, as in derping you while behind cover from a distance, yes? I just use AP for the spaced armor, if you understand the Sheridan's armor profile then you will know not to shoot the edges of it. Sometimes HESH is able to pen, but it is much easier to shoot HE at the turret.

primal yacht Oct 11, 2020, 9:32 PM

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When you shoot a paper-armored Rhm with 122mm of HE, at least half that little bug should go boom!

autumn zodiac Oct 11, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I mean, 500 damage is almost half of it's health and it's not like RHM is hard to catch on fire

frosty oriole Oct 11, 2020, 9:52 PM

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RHM when unspotted can be an annoying lil sheet, but when it gets spotted its almost always instantly dead

jagged crescent Oct 11, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Does anyone know when will sheridan finally get ballanced? Like nerf armor or mobilty and nerfing rockets, or rempving it from the game?
Yall still struggle against Sheridans?

austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 10:30 PM

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No

dusky bay Oct 11, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Sheridan already got nerfed dude, why you want more nerf, if your shot bounces a lot its because of Sheridan spaced armor, even if wargaming nerf it again, it will still bounce @boreal hollow

mental pasture Oct 11, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I don't struggle against Sheridan because I rarely play tier IX-X
¯_(ツ)_/¯

primal yacht Oct 11, 2020, 10:51 PM

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I’m reality T49-Sheridan we’re not very successful because they had thin aluminum armor that was barely bulletproof. Maybe. If they were hit by HE anything they’d likely be knocked out. And they had a more realistic reload time of 30 secs minimum. But this is a arcade game, not a realistic simulation, and some people get off on driving around real fast and shooting people in the arse. I wished there was a true realistic simulation mode so we could see how these tanks really performed against each other.

austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 10:52 PM

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so ur saying 30 second reload but 640 ap/545 heat/960 HE but 30 second reload which destroys the DPM and nerfing the armor to like 5mm. @primal yacht if there was realistic simulation mode, kranvagn/MBT-70 would dominate tier 10

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 1:10 AM

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@primal yacht play warthunder for that otherwise comment was pointless

karmic portal Oct 12, 2020, 2:41 AM

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If it was realistic mode the maus would barely even be able to move and the tiger 2 would be liable to break down any moment for no apparent reason

turbid smelt Oct 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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@karmic portal that would be true for pretty much every tank

minor minnow Oct 12, 2020, 3:43 AM

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broken panther transmission noises

sinful leaf Oct 12, 2020, 3:49 AM

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World War II tank: exists
Engine: Aight I'mma head out
Transmission: Dies before even a 2km distance was driven
Thin tracks: slides off on rough terrain

austere citrus Oct 12, 2020, 4:16 AM

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thin tracks sinks into the ground

crystal spoke Oct 12, 2020, 4:29 AM

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There were numerous tanks that were known for their reliability

atomic summit Oct 12, 2020, 4:39 AM

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There were numerous tanks that were known for their reliability
@crystal spoke
Like panzer 4.. yea.. no.

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Panzer 4 was straight up the back bone of Germany though @atomic summit and not the channel to discuss this in

sudden granite Oct 12, 2020, 6:14 AM

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It received nerfs to all characteristics though the speed was nerfed and the penetration the armor isn’t an issue unless you can aim
@unique scaffold thats bullsh*t mate, I’ve shot it way too many times center hull to still bounce, even with Ho-ri’s is4s etc

wintry lynx Oct 12, 2020, 6:14 AM

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pls make grille turret 90 degrees

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 6:17 AM

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It's 100 degrees, as it's 50/50

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 6:17 AM

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@sudden granite then that’s a you a problem if you look at the hit model in armor inspector your aim must be way off

sudden granite Oct 12, 2020, 6:26 AM

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@sudden granite then that’s a you a problem if you look at the hit model in armor inspector your aim must be way off
@galm#9430 I think that if I shoot a sheridan which is right in front of me with my ho ri, and it bounces center hull, it’s not because of my crappy aim. And no, also not because of rng or whatever, the bounces just shouldn’t happen. Playing the sheridan I’ve received multiple bounces center hull which cost the enemy the game.

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Once again must do with aim because center wise it should hit and do damage unless your shooting the rear or the tracks

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@sudden granite still getting hard to believe you VVV it’s a driver port what do you expect all the ports absorb shots it’s not my fault the sheridan requires aim to hurt

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mental pasture Oct 12, 2020, 6:53 AM

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The armor is just a bit troll, but even auto aim takes care of it

raw charm Oct 12, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Buff object 263's dpm

turbid smelt Oct 12, 2020, 7:15 AM

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no...

winged barn Oct 12, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Nerf hp pools

silent delta Oct 12, 2020, 8:26 AM

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bring back t49a

thick rover Oct 12, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Buff object 263's dpm
Or the superstructure armor, or the mobility, or the gun handling or the HP

verbal thistle Oct 12, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Or just the gun mantlet?

thick rover Oct 12, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Possibly

turbid smelt Oct 12, 2020, 1:00 PM

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it is fine as it is
unless you guys want it to be new meta

analog lily Oct 12, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Panther/m10 need love, the regular panther is just so much better.

zinc fossil Oct 12, 2020, 2:11 PM

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They used to be comparable until the Panther line got buffed

analog lily Oct 12, 2020, 2:21 PM

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I played it last weekend and it frankly sucks because i always have to use APCR after the heavies got buffed. It is just a tiny bit faster than panther ,has figuratively no armor, big as a barn, its acceleration and track rotation is too low to flank or circle enemy tanks.

drowsy idol Oct 12, 2020, 2:52 PM

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why not buff all hp classes instead of nerfing heavies

distant river Oct 12, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Because games are already slow enough????

dense yoke Oct 12, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Even if we suggest to extend the time on games. The devs have said NO and that 7 min are too long. So they are looking to buff somethings with tds or something along the lines. ->>> #devs-answers

austere citrus Oct 12, 2020, 3:32 PM

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u could just buff dpm by like 10% on every tank

coarse harness Oct 12, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Because that is easier than nerfing the heavies

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Bruh the t92e1 is still so bouncy. It balanced but it is kinda annoying.

hearty steeple Oct 12, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Hmmm yes 4700 dpm on a su122-54. Totally the best idea ever. Or 4k+ dpm on a leo. Nerfing the heavies would be so much better than dealing with 10% more dpm on all tanks

jagged crescent Oct 12, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Leo 1 with 390 alpha (less reload) would be cool tho

nocturne mauve Oct 12, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Ah so you want a chimera tier 7?

dense yoke Oct 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Su 122-54 is so light that you will high roll almost every time ( in my perspective). Also you can he its back. Not sure about high rolls on Leo1, but it's very big and pretty HEable.

muted rampart Oct 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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@nocturne mauve they are talking about su 122 54 not 44

full token Oct 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I think he was talking about the Leo 1 message. It just said Leo at first, so he took it to mean the tier 7 Leo not the Tier X that was meant

muted rampart Oct 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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let s nerf reload on panther to 4.1 secs and give panther m10 reload of e25 and give it engine that will allow it to go it s top speed. both of tanks will be balnced because m10 still will be big and paper but it will have good dpm and mobility and tech tree panther still will have its broken armor, but it will have worse dpm and quite bad mobility for a medium

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 4:21 PM

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How about no the fact you want a premium to be buffed to a tech tree standard shows the status of the game panther m/10 has been “bad” for a long time and this was well known your willingly driving this over the panther so I don’t know why your complaining about it’s inferiority when the normal one which is better is free

polar acorn Oct 12, 2020, 4:23 PM

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When mad games come?

autumn zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Going back to the 263 topic it's in a really had state rn, it can't do its job as well as 121, and a low alpha gun with eh Penetration and terrible angles is just straight up sad.

muted rampart Oct 12, 2020, 4:29 PM

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@unique scaffold i m not driving it over a panther. i just want every tank in the game to be at least competitive. @dense walrus it is realoistic. i didn t say i want all tanks to be good. just competitive

dense walrus Oct 12, 2020, 4:33 PM

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that's pretty unrealistic

jagged crescent Oct 12, 2020, 4:38 PM

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when everything's competitive
then nothing will be

winged barn Oct 12, 2020, 4:39 PM

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When everything is competitive, that is what we call balance

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Wait what if your not even driving it over a panther why did you want it to be competitive???

austere citrus Oct 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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ngl, its quite easy to make 263 decent. Just buff the mantlet(not cupola) bit because that place is pennable. with a buff to the upper glacis. @coarse harness meant the mantlet

coarse harness Oct 12, 2020, 5:40 PM

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What cupola ?

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 5:41 PM

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He might be thinking of Obj. 268

@dense yoke Yes, but Obj. 263 doesn’t

dense yoke Oct 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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wait does t he obj 268 have a cupola?

jagged crescent Oct 12, 2020, 6:25 PM

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neither tds, especially the 268 need a buff

warped flame Oct 12, 2020, 6:57 PM

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@gleaming garden maybe we get 10 min one time 😄

frosty oriole Oct 12, 2020, 7:47 PM

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obj 268 does have a tiny little range finder

fiery dagger Oct 12, 2020, 8:13 PM

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That's pretty big tho.

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nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Big compared to usual cupolas, but say, against Foch's, it's rather the same size

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 8:21 PM

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268 isn’t scary anymore cause of my hp and it has no armor. E3 and 183 are the only scary tds imo. I legit trade shots with 268 sometimes because it has like 1k less hp then me

muted rampart Oct 12, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@unique scaffold better Tell that to e4

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2020, 8:33 PM

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E4 was never scary

mental pasture Oct 12, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Better tell that to Jagdpanzer E100, high pen, high alpha and 15 secs reload

The german 183 with a useful armor (and a smaller gun by 13mm)

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Yeah but still, 183 snappin half your HP with much better pen with HESH vs Jag's HE

dense walrus Oct 12, 2020, 9:16 PM

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nice pen roll

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 9:19 PM

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^

gleaming garden Oct 12, 2020, 9:28 PM

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@warped flame you ping me?

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 9:31 PM

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You know that new video that said the new meds were accurate?

Shut up

dense walrus Oct 12, 2020, 9:32 PM

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ah yes .380 on Leo
(second worst in its class btw)

twilit crystal Oct 12, 2020, 10:01 PM

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yeah its just stupid how much the e100 trades with tds now

autumn zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Are you just now realizing that? 🤔

Dispersion at 100meters is .38

drowsy idol Oct 12, 2020, 11:36 PM

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.380 on leo for what

wait the swedish heavies i thought leo 1

genius

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2020, 11:57 PM

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I know the accuracy is horrid but I remember that the video said they were accurate and now I'm jus sad

paper fiber Oct 13, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Nerf emil

austere citrus Oct 13, 2020, 2:16 AM

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just shoot the lower plate or use pramo, its not hard. the turret is easy pen with pramo

bitter perch Oct 13, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Nerf you, you are to OP

gloomy gull Oct 13, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Emil is balanced

minor minnow Oct 13, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Emil is easily the best of the line, not the most balanced with the UFP, if that were nerfed a little bit it’d be perfect.

nimble zodiac Oct 13, 2020, 2:56 AM

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St Emil: Sad Noises*

Haha sad, depression, gun depression

austere citrus Oct 13, 2020, 3:18 AM

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only nerf that would be reasonable is maybe 310 alpha from 320, yet, it's a 105mm which usually has 350 which means it will literally have 100mm alpha.

minor minnow Oct 13, 2020, 3:21 AM

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105’s have been iffy with the alpha, the Emil has a 107mm alpha, on a 105mm gun

austere citrus Oct 13, 2020, 3:32 AM

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and leo has 290

tribal lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Jg pz e100 SUCK

atomic summit Oct 13, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Is it normal most people to shoot you with prammo in a foch 155? Because when i play in it, most of the shells that hit me are prammo, i guess they cannot aim.

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 AM

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The lower plate is extremely tiny and the range finder was purposely remodeled incorrectly and never reversed for some reason

vapid aspen Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 AM

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atomic summit Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 AM

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@unique scaffold why can i hit the lower plate of the 155 with a sheridan so easy?

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 AM

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That’s just your luck and is a straw men most of the time fochs will be up close and on the move making it harder to hit

scarlet fjord Oct 13, 2020, 6:30 AM

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90% of players above 55% in blitz: Its ridiculous how COMPLETELY BROKEN Smasher is
Wargaming: Lets buff the concealment on the Smasher

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Read the pinned messages in the general channel @scarlet fjord

atomic summit Oct 13, 2020, 7:04 AM

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That’s just your luck and is a straw men most of the time fochs will be up close and on the move making it harder to hit
@unique scaffold not luck though, i see many people camping/staying still in a 155.

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2020, 7:06 AM

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And same can be said for every other tank they’ve all had some players stand entirely still for them and get hit in their LPs that’s another straw man

last shadow Oct 13, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Is it normal most people to shoot you with prammo in a foch 155? Because when i play in it, most of the shells that hit me are prammo, i guess they cannot aim.
@atomic summit yes.
People don't want to aim so they shoot gold
Oddly enough I bounce more gold than standard in my foch155

atomic summit Oct 13, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Every Time when i shoot foch in distance<150m i aim to weakspot but when foch is further i load Gold and hit the upper plate because aiming on far distance is just not worth The risk. Except when i m playing e50m or grille because Both tanks Has laser guns or 183 because on it i load Gold on closer distances :P
@muted rampart
183 can go easily through the frontal armor of 155 with ap

muted rampart Oct 13, 2020, 8:02 AM

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@atomic summit I know. But on closer distance i load hesh. Remember that 183 Has less pen on gold

atomic summit Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 AM

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@atomic summit I know. But on closer distance i load hesh. Remember that 183 Has less pen on gold
@muted rampart
Thats HESH, of course it has less pen. Wait you load HESH on closer distance? Why not load AP?

hearty steeple Oct 13, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Hesh does more damage than ap. It is easier to hit heshable spots at shorter distances.

atomic summit Oct 13, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Thought we were still talking about the 155. Its quite hard hitting the range finder or the lower plate. But yes its better using HESH at closer distance if you can hit and pen.

last shadow Oct 13, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Just aim into the general direction of the lower plate...
If im driving my foch you have a 100% chance to hit and pen regardless of what gun you use
Also the range finder is invincible
Might aswell shoot the tracks and deal dmg from directly infront of him because reasons

frosty oriole Oct 13, 2020, 9:13 AM

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the range finder just has a lot of fake spots, the sides are spaced armor
you have to shoot directly into the center and then it pens

last shadow Oct 13, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Yeah, nah.
Played way too many battles in my foch
And the range finder is way less a weakspot/penable than any other spot on that tank

wise iron Oct 13, 2020, 10:10 AM

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WZ-113G FT is the worst TD in game.. a huge tank, the armor of this tank exists only in the statistics, in fact everyone pierces it, and if not, they shoot gold shells, with an average gun and average mobility...

muted rampart Oct 13, 2020, 11:22 AM

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@wise iron e4 is worse

latent snow Oct 13, 2020, 11:56 AM

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e4 is a better e100

trim brook Oct 13, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Can some Body come in Platoon 1

last shadow Oct 13, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Why tf would you think that the e4 is a better e100?

scarlet fjord Oct 13, 2020, 12:27 PM

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e4 is a better e100
@latent snow your going to struggle as a player with that mindset lol
the E100 makes the E4 irrelevant after the hit points buff

jagged crescent Oct 13, 2020, 12:39 PM

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why drive an E4 when you can drive an E4 with 1k+ hp

bitter perch Oct 13, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Buff e4, yes

latent snow Oct 13, 2020, 1:03 PM

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It’s smaller and has a better gun, only noobs need more hp : P

thick rover Oct 13, 2020, 1:06 PM

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🐔

muted rampart Oct 13, 2020, 1:24 PM

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@latent snow but it Has no armor, and its turret traverse is joke and The gun isn t even much better

bitter perch Oct 13, 2020, 2:04 PM

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I dont bounce many shots in the e4, on paper the armor is the same as e3 but in practice it doesnt work. Also the only 6 degrees of gun depression sucks.

dusky bay Oct 13, 2020, 2:09 PM

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yeee, buff E4

turbid smelt Oct 13, 2020, 2:17 PM

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armour maybe statistically same but it has more weakspots

winged barn Oct 13, 2020, 2:27 PM

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E4 is the best td

Turretless tanks suck

distant river Oct 13, 2020, 2:28 PM

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The armour isn't really the same at all except in terms of looks. The lower plate area is weaker, the cheeks are significantly weaker and the cupola is laughable. There are so many weakspots people don't even bother to aim at or complain about the 240mm cheeks...

bitter perch Oct 13, 2020, 2:52 PM

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There is just nothing good about the e4, worst dpm of all teir 10 TDs, meh armor, meh mobility, it can get HE on the sides, worst hi points in teir 10 plus it inflexible because only 6 degrees if depression. It isnt a bad tank just not good at anything.

autumn zodiac Oct 13, 2020, 2:54 PM

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I'll take it over grille 15 any day

fiery dagger Oct 13, 2020, 2:55 PM

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I'll take it over completely turretless TDs.

winged barn Oct 13, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Uhhhhh....
No.
Jackson is already the best tier 6 medium.

dense walrus Oct 13, 2020, 3:12 PM

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It’s a slower hellcat yes, but with a better gun and actual frontal armor.
@muted rampart they do, but the reload is far better on the Jackson.

coarse harness Oct 13, 2020, 3:22 PM

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The Jackson is just 😌 👌

autumn zodiac Oct 13, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Jackson and hellcat are both pretty good, it's just that Jackson does better in confrontational fights

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2020, 3:49 PM

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lol?

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full token Oct 13, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Pinned messages in #general-blitz-discussion

twilit crystal Oct 13, 2020, 4:07 PM

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the wz 113 gft actually has really good camo

turbid smelt Oct 13, 2020, 4:14 PM

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wait really? is it on par with 263?@twilit crystal

twilit crystal Oct 13, 2020, 4:25 PM

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its better @turbid smelt while not firing, 263 has best firing camo in class though due to small gun. wz 113 has 2nd best moving/stationary camo though. 268 is best for a tier X td though

turbid smelt Oct 13, 2020, 5:01 PM

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ye
268 is balance

autumn zodiac Oct 13, 2020, 5:18 PM

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113FT has the best camo while stationary in tier 10

It doesn't make sense but it has something going for it, it's stealthy but can brawl

winged barn Oct 13, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Doesn't the t95 also have really good camo?

Allow me to answer that: yes, yes it does. 2nd best tier 9 td camo

tiny snow Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Don't know why we are comparing a E100 versus E4. Two totally different roles. I like turrets TDS. Both have there place. An E100 and Maus working together is a lot of fun too.

meager spruce Oct 13, 2020, 6:56 PM

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what is the difference between both tanks roles? Both are brawling, front line heavies. IS4 just needs way less skill to be effective... @tiny snow

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2020, 7:16 PM

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^^ true

tiny snow Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@Venator#5269 I thought they were talking about the T110E4. Not the IS4. T110E4 is totally different from E100.

meager spruce Oct 13, 2020, 7:25 PM

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@tiny snow oops nvm then. My mistake as I misread. Then yes, I do agree with you

tiny snow Oct 13, 2020, 7:27 PM

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👍 @meager spruce

round bluff Oct 13, 2020, 7:29 PM

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^^^^e100 has a place in heavy tank choke points on maps. e4 has a place in the garage.

tiny snow Oct 13, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Lol I agree for tournaments. I like it in regular battles

nimble zodiac Oct 13, 2020, 9:23 PM

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@rapid ibex this channel isn’t for MM, neither is it WG’s fault a matchmaking system gave you bad players. You get bad players in other games, get used to it

dense walrus Oct 13, 2020, 9:25 PM

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read pinned
also: blur names, carry harder, one game doesn’t prove anything, MM is fine, and no one wants to hear another MM complaint.
I think that covers it.

distant river Oct 13, 2020, 10:10 PM

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MM cannot do anything to force players to perform better. Bad players make up a significant proportion of the playerbase, and that isn't going to change at all. You can either blame them for everything, or do your best and carry on to the next game 🤷‍♀️

drowsy idol Oct 13, 2020, 10:12 PM

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so winrate is not that important or what

hardy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 10:12 PM

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To MM, no

sudden path Oct 13, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Stfu about mm. Cool you did 6k. That game you had to do 7k to win. Shut up, look at the games you win, and remember why your better than mortal 40 percenters like the people on your team are 40 percenters. I'm tired of all the team shaming. It's not good for anyone

karmic steeple Oct 13, 2020, 10:28 PM

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o7

flat bane Oct 13, 2020, 10:31 PM

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That's kentastic

bitter perch Oct 13, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Remember kids: to get your big damage games, u have to be on a bad team, fighting a bad team

coarse harness Oct 13, 2020, 11:33 PM

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^

drowsy idol Oct 13, 2020, 11:37 PM

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how do i use my team if it’s on mines( if enemy took hill)

drifting depot Oct 13, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Just stay behind the rock and if you have enough gun depression..... usually 5-7 degrees is enough you can peek to the right or left side depending on your spawn to shoot whoever got in the hill, since they would be in a more elevated position than you they'd usually hit your turret or just expose their lower plates in general

spring magnet Oct 14, 2020, 1:04 AM

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...............

drifting depot Oct 14, 2020, 1:29 AM

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........ No joke but most of the time I see a smasher and I check end results it's a guy with 45- winrate, then when I see someone with 52+ they usually destroy the entire enemy team and it's extremely disgusting so no, it doesn't need a buff, it's just that there's a lot of fat wallet newbies who probably wasted all their money on crates because people kept saying it's broken and stuff

tiny snow Oct 14, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Those fat wallet newbies keep the WOTB staff employed. Let them spend the money so we can troll them on ze battlefield. Lol

minor minnow Oct 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Fr fr, as long as they’re not on my team >50% of the time I’m happy

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Could u even make the alecto a little powerful cause they just not that much playable even though it has the alpha damage of 200

drifting depot Oct 14, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Dude, Alecto is a fun tank. Learn how to use it bruh, I literally go down to tier 4 just to seal club and have some fun with it even before the recent buffs to all low tiers

turbid smelt Oct 14, 2020, 5:00 AM

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@drifting depot
a seal clubber :'l

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 6:15 AM

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@drifting depot bruh it needs some adjustments cause its to OP

empty copper Oct 14, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Centurion I buff when? Bottom of the charts since I started playing some years ago. Indien-Pz looks like it could use some love too.

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 7:42 AM

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Instead of buffing tanks , iq should be buffed of many people like smasher campers,etc

grave quarry Oct 14, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Go on, nerf Vickers Cruiser
It's not that hard

empty copper Oct 14, 2020, 8:16 AM

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buff player IQ
I think that would be even worse for poor Centurion. Good players in smasher would just obliterate Centurion players.

drifting depot Oct 14, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Like they obliterate everything ffs

frosty oriole Oct 14, 2020, 9:18 AM

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honestly buff centurion reload to some degree

last shadow Oct 14, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Cent and 301 have literally the same gun
But 301 reloads faster
Is the balancing factor supposed to be the worse dispersion or what?

frosty oriole Oct 14, 2020, 10:20 AM

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and its only like 0.31 and 0.35

but the 301 has a smaller size, faster speed, more mobility, and just overall better usability than the cent

buff the medium lineeee

regal mulch Oct 14, 2020, 11:02 AM

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How WG say "its normal" gg......

frosty oriole Oct 14, 2020, 11:18 AM

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give the cent 1 210 alpha or something
even the caernarvon HT has more DPM than the centurion

muted rampart Oct 14, 2020, 11:59 AM

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@frosty oriole give it way better dpm or just little bit of dpm but with mobility buff

coarse harness Oct 14, 2020, 12:33 PM

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I'm pretty sure they won't touch it
WG will release the Cent 5/1 which is better in like every single aspect so if you want an useful Cent open your wallet and give them aaaaaall your money

muted rampart Oct 14, 2020, 12:38 PM

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sad cen 1 noises

nimble zodiac Oct 14, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Well at least it supports top in class standard shell penetration

gleaming apexBOT Oct 14, 2020, 3:56 PM

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dynoSuccess Warning logged for deadlymrx#3499. I couldn't DM them.

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Lets face it most tech tree tier 8 meds have stunk since 3.8 . Frankly I think they should give medium tanks the old pre 3.8 10% rammer, it will not effect most in tier 9/10 because people are using CS - but it will give tier 7 and 8 meds a boost, as most of those run rammer because they dont have HEAT -- the ones with HEAT have decent pen with CS, so they are not severely disadvantaged by heavy meta.

minor minnow Oct 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Off the top of my head I cannot name one competitive T8 Tech Tree medium except the P.44 and that’s kinda iffy for me with how large it is

distant river Oct 14, 2020, 4:26 PM

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T-34-2 is competitive while being super fun to play, and panther 2 is also very nice in the right hands as well

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 5:02 PM

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@distant river but would you play the Panther 2 over a Prog, Chimera or...

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T-34-2 has HEAT and a good turret. It’s much less impacted by heavy meta poisoning

jagged crescent Oct 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Yeah the majority of t8 meds need something. I’m thinking of a minor dpm boost

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Bring back pre 3.8 rammer for Meds.

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10% versus 7% for others.

nocturne mauve Oct 14, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I’d rather have heavies nerfed rather than everything buffed

sinful leaf Oct 14, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Pershing has just been in a trash dump of powercreep for ages, was further worsened by changes that made heavies meta which impacted all meds (Pershing is good don't get me wrong but there's literally no reason to play the tank nowadays)

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 5:13 PM

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@nocturne mauve it’s not a buff for everything. It would be a buff for Meds using rammer.

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Which is virtually no tier 9/10 Meds

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So really just the low Tier Meds

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As 7/8 Meds are been hurt a lot recently by heavy buffs, well 8 Meds have generally been sucky compared to 7 or 9

polar stag Oct 14, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I think the next big buffs will be for the tds, i dont recall where i heard it but it seems that tds may be buffed next.

nimble zodiac Oct 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I believe TDs meant for frontlining or at least providing fire with armor, should get more HP

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 5:24 PM

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T30 cries when it sees the T29 let alone T34...

frosty oriole Oct 14, 2020, 5:35 PM

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isnt the jgpze100 heavier than the e100? lol 2000 HP compared to 2500+

winged barn Oct 14, 2020, 5:35 PM

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The t29 armor buff as very big brain

distant river Oct 14, 2020, 5:45 PM

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@distant river but would you play the Panther 2 over a Prog, Chimera or...
@drowsy plaza I would but that's because I like tanks that are a challenge I can understand that for most people the prems are by far a better choice. I also use rammer on pretty much every tank except for things like the sheri so that would be a great change for me lol

analog lily Oct 14, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I bought panther/m10 because i loved panther and I wanted to make more credits when i played one. Now since the regular panther got soo buffed and tier 7, tier 8 meta changed significantly there is no reason to play it anymore. So either WG should return my money and I will play regular panther or they should buff it. The whol point of the tank was it was a credit earning panther with unique look but now it just sucks

minor minnow Oct 14, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Why should Wargaming return your money? You bought it you should know that the meta is subject to change at any time

distant river Oct 14, 2020, 6:20 PM

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If you loved the panther pre-buff then you will love the M/10 🤷‍♀️

viral pond Oct 14, 2020, 6:23 PM

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So you’re saying that because a tank you bought that is now run-over by it’s counterpart should be refunded? That’s like saying your washing machine is outdated and less efficient so you need all your money back. @analog lily

Btw, the panther/m10 was made to fool the Americans into thinking its a friendly, not make virtual credits in a game that did not exist at the time. lol

dense walrus Oct 14, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Yea my washing machine is really powercrept cmon

blissful vigil Oct 14, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Nice example

round bluff Oct 14, 2020, 6:35 PM

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imagine thinking panther m10 is fine as it is

blissful vigil Oct 14, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Imagine buying the Panther M10 without looking at it's stats

minor minnow Oct 14, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Imagine buying the M10 for anything other than memes

distant river Oct 14, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Imagine owning a panther M10 🤮

blissful vigil Oct 14, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Maybe just from a crate

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Why would you buy m10 when you can enrich the normal one...

muted rampart Oct 14, 2020, 7:00 PM

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@unique scaffold because we can have 2 balanced tanks insted of 1

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Panther M10 is pretty nice though...

jagged crescent Oct 14, 2020, 7:03 PM

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eh...

frosty oriole Oct 14, 2020, 7:04 PM

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at least give it the spaced armor it deserves

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 7:06 PM

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It has no spaced armor? It’s just sheet metal

dusky root Oct 14, 2020, 7:08 PM

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New tanks are pretty OP their front armor is too thick to pen with standart. (it bounced my 17cm yesterday. When i was playing with Jg. Pz. E100)

meager spruce Oct 14, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@dusky root learn to aim then

muted rampart Oct 14, 2020, 7:11 PM

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@meager spruce +1

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 7:16 PM

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@dusky root use Armor Inspector

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Send HE if you can’t pen with AP or HEAT. It’s really not that hard.

sinful leaf Oct 14, 2020, 7:20 PM

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75mm HE hardly does anything with a splash 😂

coarse harness Oct 14, 2020, 7:22 PM

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How about 170mm HE ?
Cuz they are talking about the Jageru

jagged crescent Oct 14, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Aim near the base of the turret

mental pasture Oct 14, 2020, 7:50 PM

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There's no 75mm gun at tier 10 @sinful leaf
On tier 8, only stock mediums have this calliber

distant river Oct 14, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Pretty sure he means 75mm of pen which is more than enough to deal very large amounts of splash damage if you aim right

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 7:58 PM

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that shouldn’t even be possible to do no splash damage on the Swedes unless you hit the gun directly in jg 100

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Cupola is a full pen, but a very very unlikely hit.

frosty oriole Oct 14, 2020, 9:16 PM

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ive been wondering, can you look up in the tank to hide the cupola?

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 9:21 PM

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yes

twilit crystal Oct 14, 2020, 9:47 PM

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however theres an underneath the gun that becomes pennable,

nimble zodiac Oct 14, 2020, 10:09 PM

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IS-7 got a 30mm plate on its cupola that some can HE, but it’s really tiny

forest heath Oct 14, 2020, 10:10 PM

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the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 150mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 95mm and the penetration from 165mm to 173mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target. The fact that it sees tier VIII is criminal.
It’s a tank that has the size and speed of a super heavy tank, but the armor and penetration of a medium tank. I love the tank esthetics and how it played when first introduced. It’s just been power creeped to uselessness. I’m tired of being yelled at because I’m forced to remain at the back as a heavy tank in tier VIII battles

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austere citrus Oct 14, 2020, 10:21 PM

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it ate too many hot dogs and i dont have the tank but its super easy to destroy so yea a buff is fine

muted rampart Oct 14, 2020, 10:24 PM

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@forest heath it should be buffed, but can you stop copy paste it over and over again? Its irritating

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2020, 10:25 PM

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The Predator needs buffs on everything IMO

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 10:26 PM

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It isn't ideal but it't not nearly as bad as some in 7

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It's a fairly easy tank to keep over 65%

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A little mobility biff and maybe another degree of GD would be fine.

forest heath Oct 14, 2020, 10:28 PM

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As said it needs front armor buffs and penetration buffs. Leave the sides and rear armor unchanged and keep the gun depression. I feel it should play like a Mutant at tier VII but with an auto loader

nimble zodiac Oct 14, 2020, 10:31 PM

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How about the gravedigger?
Tier 8 is bully town for it

I’d say it needs either

Gun depression buff
Accuracy buff
Penetration buff
or a combination of two

Well, I’d need at least accuracy if I wanna hit the right places with that good APCR :|

drowsy plaza Oct 14, 2020, 10:31 PM

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I could agree with a APCR buff to 220mm, or even 230 the same as the Gravedigger

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if you have problems in the GraveDigger its not the tanks problem -- 230mm of pen with Vents on the APCR, and 242 with CS is very good for tier 7 heavies.

crystal spoke Oct 14, 2020, 10:50 PM

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My problem with the gd is the recoil from firing

jagged crescent Oct 14, 2020, 11:39 PM

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GD's wack. It absolutely shreds tier 6s and 7s but it just flat out dies against t8s

drifting depot Oct 15, 2020, 12:33 AM

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^

dense yoke Oct 15, 2020, 12:35 AM

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what does gd stand for?

nimble zodiac Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Gravedigger for now, gun depression is another option

noble quail Oct 15, 2020, 2:55 AM

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what does gd stand for?
GraveDigger or Gun Depression

Depends on the topic

crystal spoke Oct 15, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Since we were talking about the grave digger before my comment I had just shortened it to gd

winged barn Oct 15, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Ngl, spamming the fire button while reaiming on the gravedigger gets difficult with mobile controls.

13 57 has the same problem

atomic summit Oct 15, 2020, 4:46 AM

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@hidden ruin whats your avg dmg in the mk6?

jagged crescent Oct 15, 2020, 5:18 AM

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mk6 pretty swag tank

thick rover Oct 15, 2020, 7:11 AM

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agreed

turbid smelt Oct 15, 2020, 8:36 AM

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@winged barn I found it easier on mobile than on pc

winged barn Oct 15, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Hmmmmm

dusky bay Oct 15, 2020, 2:00 PM

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will tortoise armor get buffed? like in wot pc

minor minnow Oct 15, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Ngl, spamming the fire button while reaiming on the gravedigger gets difficult with mobile controls.

13 57 has the same problem
@winged barn I would suggest Autoaim for that problem tbh, I use it for a lot of low reload tanks

winged barn Oct 15, 2020, 5:48 PM

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The mobile autoaim only somewhat locks on. Having to hit fire every .6 seconds while still manually readjusting gets a bit difficult.

stoic pebble Oct 15, 2020, 7:47 PM

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<@&481447501690568709> can someone please clean this up, it's also in some other channels

vapid aspen Oct 15, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Ikr it’s annoying

tribal sundial Oct 15, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Buff stb-1 view range(302meters)... The type 61 have (311 meters )

jagged crescent Oct 15, 2020, 8:26 PM

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no

muted rampart Oct 15, 2020, 8:37 PM

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@tribal sundial it was nerfed when vickers line was introduced. They won t buff something They nerfed couple of months ago

winged barn Oct 15, 2020, 9:07 PM

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@muted rampart that's a lie. Look at the fv215 hp

autumn zodiac Oct 15, 2020, 10:14 PM

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The actual reason it was reduced was to give M48 Patton more of a purpose which that didn't actually do anything

left ice Oct 15, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Nerf smasher dont buff >:I

nimble zodiac Oct 15, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Nobody really wants Smasher buffed, if they do, it's a joke

But seriously, only 640 damage with AP? Make that a good 750 and we'll be fine. Reload should get 7s reduced and penetration could use +2mm

open bone Oct 15, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Is7 should get better premium pen.

minor minnow Oct 15, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Tbh that’s just another reason people play the IS-4 instead

acoustic shard Oct 15, 2020, 11:13 PM

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The Stb needs a nerf if anything the hull armor combined with the turret armor and mobility. the things downright op

jagged crescent Oct 15, 2020, 11:25 PM

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The hull armor is not special at all. The mobility's average. The gun's not that special either. It's good because of the turret and flexibility but it's def not OP

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 12:23 AM

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@open bone its standard pen is better
use that morr

open bone Oct 16, 2020, 12:24 AM

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@turbid smelt okay thx

austere citrus Oct 16, 2020, 12:32 AM

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@acoustic shard yea, when the stb 1 was introduced, no one played it bceause it was like ur ru 251 but at tier 10 with nothing special and no one played it, its not even broken so no nerf

deft owl Oct 16, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Stb is currently the best tier x medium tank.

austere citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:15 AM

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T-22 Medium?

round bluff Oct 16, 2020, 1:49 AM

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t95e6

austere citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Can leopard 1 get a penetration buff by like 15mm?

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 2:13 AM

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I wouldn't mind a 5mm+ standard rnd buff for most meds

thick rover Oct 16, 2020, 2:31 AM

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pRammo buff ;))

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 2:33 AM

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absolutely disgusting

acoustic shard Oct 16, 2020, 2:43 AM

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@austere citrus regardless is what it was it's op now. there's no reason for it to have all 3. the hull
and turret armor combined with it's mobility size and view range make's it op. it needs other the turret or hull armor nerfed one or the other

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 2:44 AM

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The hull's not as good as you think. It's average.
The mobility is nothing special. The View Range got nerfed.

austere citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:45 AM

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this guy wants to make t22 more op by making tech tree worse

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Vickers is a good contender as top med tho. And it's a light

twilit crystal Oct 16, 2020, 3:22 AM

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vickers both CR and light's view range is the only thing I find broken about the two,, maps weren't made for 280 or 270 at tier 9

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 3:30 AM

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idk why stb is considered best...
it can't even do medium job that well as others...

vernal oyster Oct 16, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Can we get a semi-slight maneuverability buff for the T110E3? The tank is considerably faster than T95 but at the same time the moment you turn in the tank or go up a slight incline it’s almost like you’re driving the T95 again .

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Super engine boost exists

feral scroll Oct 16, 2020, 3:51 AM

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i wouldnt mind seeing a T110E3 maneuverability buff if the hatch wasnt so well armored that its physically impossible

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Out of all tanks you want to buff, you chose the e3

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 4:17 AM

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@feral scroll there is big enough heable section on the roof for anything with penetration level over 76mm

you can also butter its roof with heat rounds, or just pen throught its drive wheels with standard

feral scroll Oct 16, 2020, 4:19 AM

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no you cannot butter the roof with heat rounds, 95% of the time they auto bounce due to the angle. also, for some reason some american tanks roofs seem to act as spaced armor for no apparent reason, regardless of angle HEAT rounds sometimes dont work. as for the drive wheels thats only for very large calibers, usually 15cm+.
and that spot on the roof? auto bounce angle as well.
I don’t mind a well armored hatch, just look at the AT7 and 8, im miffed because it literally defies physics.
Also the same people to argue that the physically impossible hatch is ok bc it’s just a video game are the same kind of people that argue that fantasy tanks ruin the game. < which i agree with to a degree, but if we are going to go for realism(which we arent) than physically impossible armor profiles should follow behind fantasy tanks

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Watch this
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717906512005038103/756263167591448596/unknown.png?width=1854&height=1042
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717906512005038103/756263202953625690/unknown.png

feral scroll Oct 16, 2020, 4:29 AM

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I think that was a glitch, that shouldn’t have been possible^^

Yeah, EZ for a TD, or unbalanced heavy tank HEAT (E5/E6 and IS4)pen numbers, but if your in a light or medium then your just crap out of luck. I think E3 should share E4s hatch, It’s still a good hatch but not OP.

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turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 4:40 AM

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@feral scroll autopen zone for heat

nearly autobounce zone for ap and apcr, just like progetto's ufp

exactly erika!

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feral scroll Oct 16, 2020, 4:41 AM

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thats from a top-down angle, if you were angled directly at it or god forbid below it, there is no chance

heady moon Oct 16, 2020, 4:43 AM

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@feral scroll Dear talked about HE (heable), not HEAT.
Regardless of that mistake, the E3 roof, even front on, can be penned easily. HE can pen that 77mm of effective roof, and HEAT/AP will pen it regardless of the angle. Even when using full gun depression the E3 roof can be penned.
In this particular screenshot, the tank is angled even more.

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feral scroll Oct 16, 2020, 4:51 AM

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You expect people to hit that tiny target anything more than 5% of the time? Even at point blank range even the slightest wiggle renders that weak spot pointless. Yes it can be penned easily by practically any round if the shot even goes there in the first place.

As for that HE shell from earlier, I think that was a glitch bc there is no way it should’ve have penned where it did. Tho if it had by some odd miracle penned at the tiny spot you pointed out then it would’ve made sense.

nocturne venture Oct 16, 2020, 4:52 AM

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people still don't know that the e3 is HE-able frontally in 2020 😩

heady moon Oct 16, 2020, 4:54 AM

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It's not a glitch @feral scroll. It's a very well known weak spot all the experienced players. I was that E100 that shot that E3, and of course it was not a random shot; I knew it would pen it. Here is where the shell went in:

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flat bane Oct 16, 2020, 4:58 AM

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It's funny shooting that spot

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 4:59 AM

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wait till people realize is7 has similar weakspot

feral scroll Oct 16, 2020, 5:08 AM

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yes that front spot is, but how about that spot near the middle, how did that one pen

dreamy oar Oct 16, 2020, 5:10 AM

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For the British at line, seeing how they’re were meant to be these heavily armored but slow tanks, how big of an armor do u think is acceptable. I was thinking of giving the at 15 an Armour increase from its 228 to 235 (originally I was think 245 but was like maybe that’s too much)and the front slope it has from 127 to 135. And to balance it out maybe drop it’s speed to 15. And for the tortoise increase the front from 228 to 250. I don’t know anything for the 183 though bc of what it has, the gun. What do u think. I’m pretty sure I’m not thinking this too much bc I feel like it would make the tanks broken. Or would a speed increase be better instead of an armor buff.

flat bane Oct 16, 2020, 5:21 AM

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@turbid smelt show

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 5:32 AM

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The roofs not that thick

open marlin Oct 16, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Let’s be real, both vickers need a turret nerf to the mantlets

dreamy oar Oct 16, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Oh definitely and I think it should get a reload need I mean look at how smol it’s turret is. In real life it’s gonna be hard to load a 105 shell. Also imo it should gets pen needed by 5mm and prammo by 10mm

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2020, 5:41 AM

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You do know it already has one of the worst pens of the meds and lights right?

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 6:03 AM

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@flat bane https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511476939429642257/764358341178556426/Project_09-10_HD_720p.mp4

don't tell anyone ;]

▶ Play video

flat bane Oct 16, 2020, 7:46 AM

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@turbid smelt :O, thank you so much.

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 9:05 AM

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it is smaller in size in comparison to e3 weakspot and harder to hit thanks to incorrect hitskins

last shadow Oct 16, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Armor highlighting and modelling working as intended

dense yoke Oct 16, 2020, 11:20 AM

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What if wg add Is7 autoloader gun. (hypothetically)

flat stag Oct 16, 2020, 11:39 AM

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i cant see any balance in tier VII heavy tanks of hybrid nation.. smasher, gravedigger and now annihilator with more than 2.5k dpm and such a good armour... buying broken tank gives you skill... dont like this kind of marketing...

@meager spruce gravedigger is broken a f, had it in garage until i changed to get t28 defender. lycan, love it, but i didnt mentioned it cause its very balanced, true

we can agree, these tier VII heavies are not balanced... !?!

meager spruce Oct 16, 2020, 11:40 AM

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@flat stag gravedigger is ok-ish at best

@flat stag lulw, sure its "broken". Also you forgot lycan which is quite well balanced imo.

On smasher yes. On annihilator, I will wait to make my decision. But lupus and gravedigger are balanced. The only thing holding gravedigger back from being exceptional is the gun. Lycan is good but definitely not op
Since you are talking about the DPM parameter and gravedigger is the controversial tank here. You rarely get to maximize dpm as most of the time you ancounter heavies and are forced to shoot prammo and also you rarely get the entire clip in further lowering dpm. Armor is okish but the profile is huge making it an easy targer

sudden path Oct 16, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Once again, I dont think it can be said enough, gravedigger is a monster when facing tier 6s and 7s, but against tier 8 it flounders. Of course, most tier 7s have to be more balanced to take on tier 8 because odd tiers uptier more than even tiers.
Lycan is a is5 with a stock is3 gun, but it has 10 degrees of gun depression, and its downtiered. It's quite strong because there's a lot you can do with a russian tank with gun depression.
Lupus is about where lycan is, it has even more gun depression (12 degrees) and the same alpha gun, and the armor might be even better than the lycans, but I dislike it because of the rear turret.
Tankenstien is only fun for the alpha, otherwise it's too slow.
Smasher is very bad, it had to be buffed last patch because it was underperforming.
Honestly if the annihilator has after shot dispersion it will be well balanced but if it doesnt, it will be extremely strong, over the lycan/lupus/helsing, but not as fun as the drac and not as bad as the smasher

flat stag Oct 16, 2020, 12:06 PM

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annihilator has no shot dispersion after shot.
lycans modules except of tracks and driver, nothing can be damaged.
lupus has a fckn stronk armour and a fckn big gun..
helsing... dracula... if you think these cars are balanced... good night

every hybrid nation tank is in more than 1 way better than other nations tanks of same branch and tier..

@sudden path smasher is very bad.... lol buffing smasher lol... are you serious?!

sudden path Oct 16, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Yeah they buffed the smashers camo last patch@flat stag

distant river Oct 16, 2020, 12:46 PM

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The adjusted the camo shown on the clients side to maths what is shown on the server side because there was an issue with tanks that had a permanent camo showing an incorrect value, nothing changed in terms of gameplay or performance just in displayed stats. (From 3very) @sudden path

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 12:46 PM

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@muted rampart helsing and dracula were never op
just youtubers made half assed videos calling them op

pale copper Oct 16, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Smasher is making people quit the game. Especially new players trying to grind to their first tier ten and seeing how the game plays. Coming up against a tank that can snap shot you for 600 when you cant do the same and look at you for 400 with HE is discouraging

mental pasture Oct 16, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Sorry bro, Smasher is OP and all, but give up from the game only because of 1 tank? It's quite weird

Seriously, it's just a turreted SU-152 with more precision

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I don't judge anyone, if you want to leave you are free to do so

have fun on other games tho <3

pure osprey Oct 16, 2020, 2:27 PM

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hey you know the sea in yamato, you can fall in the water easily. i think it should make a force field to the sea because i played bdr and drove there falling down to the sea. LOL

turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 2:29 PM

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oh lol
it is awkward
but sea diving feature is fine
there are other maps with similar features
watch out

dusky bay Oct 16, 2020, 2:38 PM

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how is that possible?

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turbid smelt Oct 16, 2020, 2:39 PM

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@dusky bay rear of turrent is ez pen

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open marlin Oct 16, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Smasher op

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2020, 6:18 PM

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smasher i feel like had its dmg buffed idk why maybe becuz he one shoited my in my t54 light

austere citrus Oct 16, 2020, 6:19 PM

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HE or Ammorack

jagged crescent Oct 16, 2020, 7:05 PM

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max roll is 1.2k hp

dense yoke Oct 16, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Does anyone find mäuschen to be bad? When i face it. It do be easy challenge. Mabye it is the players?

drowsy plaza Oct 16, 2020, 7:56 PM

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@dense yoke few good players play it anymore on NA - as its boring - so you generally see bots that dont know how to angle and either give you lots of sides - or the flat lower plate

twilit crystal Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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yup they just jump up to the maus which loses the cupola and has a much better lower plate also can angle the turret

analog thicket Oct 16, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Hwy

dusky bay Oct 16, 2020, 8:46 PM

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5.4 seconds aiming time on IS7... you dont think its a lot? with equipments is 4.5 ...
i think it should be buffed... same his life to IS4 life too... 2650

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2020, 9:49 PM

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@jagged crescent i was in a toon with my freind and went stock on my t45 so yeah about 1.5 k hp on meh

drifting depot Oct 17, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Ik the 121 is good and all but why does the dispersion on the move feel like a kv2 ._.

frail silo Oct 17, 2020, 6:17 AM

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because you have a god-like aim time
so the dispersion doesn't really affect you much

pale copper Oct 17, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Why is the grille so bad.. you might as well make the wt the tier ten in the line because camping in the back doesn’t work if you can still get spotted through heavies while sitting in a bush

distant river Oct 17, 2020, 12:03 PM

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Don't camo at the back, easy fix 🤷‍♀️

turbid smelt Oct 17, 2020, 12:09 PM

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@muted rampart vk a got unnecessary pen buff...
idk what you are talking about
every tank doesn't need stad pad level of balance

it is completely fine to have good tanks which give a challenging gameplay for once

just because you don't get how to play a particular tank it doesn't automatically qualify as garbage get gut noop

winged barn Oct 17, 2020, 12:10 PM

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@turbid smelt challenging vs garbage gameplay.
If you want a challenge, play lights, not garbage heavies.

(I am only referring to the vk45a here)

Amx m4 49 is just flat out superior to the vk45a

I remember people yelling at me for saying I liked the t110e4 when the e100 is basically just a better version, so I get what you are saying. But it is garbage. There are tanks that do the same job in a much better way.

fiery dagger Oct 17, 2020, 12:45 PM

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It has the second best lower plate of tier 10. In pubs, not many use prammo, so frontally you are near impenetratable without prammo and with some skill. And that "bad gun" is literally the same as E100 with better aim time, and a bit less dpm. Also, you have the best mobility of all the superheavies.
It may be hard to play, and it's not for competitive, but it's a more enjoyable tank than E100 in my opinion.
So get good.

compact valve Oct 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Smasher needs a nerf change my mind

sweet prism Oct 17, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Imo tier x vk 72 is more workable than vk 45. Vk 45 B has nothing good enough. Upper plate, side armour, turret cheeks everything is butter to pramo; not to mention worse gun than e75.
Also, every tier 8 premium heavy running around with 225-240 standard pen and a buff of vk45a s pen from 200 to 215 is 'unnecessary'...🤷‍♂️

fiery dagger Oct 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

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1 seconds longer, yes. And by forcing everyone to spam prammo on it reduces the enemies' dpm as well to the ground. The turret cheeks. You know you can turn your turret to bait shots? I guess you haven't come up against one half decent vk players yet. And the cupola is mostly autobounce. Other than that? If you can pen lower plate with Ap, that means 280+pen. With this, you can butter E100's turret as well. The side weakspot is also nigh impenetratable frontally even with prammo. You seem to be biased against it. Learn it's playstyle and take it out for a few games, then form an opinion.

compact nymph Oct 17, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Yea right because people are definitively going to hit that plate consistently

fiery dagger Oct 17, 2020, 1:11 PM

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@muted rampart That small stripe is pretty hard to hit, and you can even wiggle. And if you turn your turret, turn it where the enemy aims at. Yes, it takes awareness and skill. Work on those then.

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Wiggling exists. Also perfect for facehugs. And there are quite a few rng dependent tank, this being one of them. It's perfect for baiting with huge awareness, not your usual superheavy. Point being, it's nowhere nearly as bad as some players make it seem to be, just unusual and unique.

Where in the world did I say that everone will penetrate it?! Rng dependent meant, small and trolly weakspots if played correctly.

You know what? Cling to your biased opinion.
The side weakspot could be buffed, but even so, it's not half bad, since it was never meant for sidescraping.

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Did I say you're doing it?
Anyway, why strengthen a trait which a tank wasn't meant for. If anything, the small turret cheeks need more of a buff, since only a few people understand wiggiling the turret to the direction the enemy aims for.
And no, you can never really make this tank competitive the way you mean it. It's already great for pubs, but since it depends mostly on raw frontal armour and strong lower plate, the prammo spam will render it ineffective, unless you make the lower plate like ~360mm effective.

bold hollow Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Hmmm

drifting depot Oct 17, 2020, 8:00 PM

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You know, if you're in an e100 or a jage100 you're tall enough to easily hit that hatch at close range, and it's he pennable so just go for he shells in a facehug
-source: I've done it, y'all can do it as well .-.

minor minnow Oct 17, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Plot twist: the player is smart and hides their cupolas

fiery dagger Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Yup, gun up in the air, or just blocking their gun, just as simple in a facehug as annoying to the enemy.

drifting depot Oct 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I doubt most will even think about doing that, wanna know why? So far none of the guys I've met did that, not even unicums.... probably cause of how "small" it is although it's not so much on a facehug, even a guy here said it's an autobounce without saying that's because most people hit the edge of the mantlet or the turret roof, scroll up a little :/

Wait no, almost none because that one friend of mine that helped me find ways to he super heavy tanks with ease actually raised his gun once when we met in battle lol

austere citrus Oct 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Emil 1: What Cupolas?

drowsy plaza Oct 17, 2020, 10:27 PM

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@muted rampart the Vk45.02B got a serious front armor buff about 3.5 years ago. It used to be utterly terrible

drifting depot Oct 17, 2020, 11:02 PM

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O ye and the vk45.02b has those 200mm on the upper plate, the turret is the same as an e75 and so is the gun so meh, vk45.02A needs something to be done with that turret and gun depression, or just the turret idk man it's just too bad to be considered a heavium ._.

flat bane Oct 17, 2020, 11:06 PM

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VK45.02B is really nice

cerulean gorge Oct 18, 2020, 12:11 AM

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This idea wont probably surt any effect
Vk 72 is Full of weak points , maus can pen it Ez with ap
That 40mm plate is sooo weak , lower plate isnt Special
I fell like vk is paper , even angling , shaking , i doesnt bouce anything
Even 240 mm of frontal armou is useles
And he stil have that 130 mm plate on the sides penable my any gold round ,

160 mm of side cheeks totaly paper
I feel disapointed with vk 72 , too many weak points
Please buff its upper plate to 255 mm
Middle plate to 340
Lower plate to 255
Sides all 160
130mm plate to 160 or 168
Sides cheecks beeing increased to not be as weak as it is now
Deception from that vk 72
I cant do nothing to bouce bcs it is paper to everyone

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Buff t22

nocturne venture Oct 18, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Middle plate to 340 lmfaooo

drifting depot Oct 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Ok that's far too much ngl

cerulean gorge Oct 18, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Very p2w game

dense yoke Oct 18, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Well yes, but actually no.

Is4, e75, maus, e3

eager shadow Oct 18, 2020, 12:56 AM

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U know what bugs me, the game is more about grinding than actually learning how to play the tanks

nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Well if you're either a quick learner, a good researcher, or a Blitz veteran, then that's true

jagged crescent Oct 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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if you want to be good tho, better learn how to play

karmic steeple Oct 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Why do that when you can sit 300m away in an e100 and spam he

jagged crescent Oct 18, 2020, 2:05 AM

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idk tbh

winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 2:21 AM

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E100 armor works better at long range. Perfect strategy.

prisma thorn Oct 18, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Buff turret armor of 140 cuz why not...

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Please nerf vindicator

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nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

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That is so much their fault, this doesn't count as an argument for a nerf

And hey, I pulled a kolobanovs 5k damage with T-2020, but it ain't OP

jagged crescent Oct 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Nah Spartan's right. Nerf 😠

karmic portal Oct 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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What’s wrong with those guys on the enemy team. Did they hit their head or something?
It was obviously a joke

warm lintel Oct 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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@unique scaffold the vindicator is completely fair, if not, terrible. The pen for regular ammo is horrible, and prem ammo is also bad. The shield in front of the tank counts as the tank, so penning that counts as damage. With no gun depression, it’s hard to play the tank. This is definitely a pay to lose tank. I still love it though

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Lol, I absolutely adore the vindicator and think it’s an absolute beast of a tank, just trying to start drama cause it’s funny

jagged crescent Oct 18, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Can we buff the Smasher btw.

No we need to buff the smasher

safe rapids Oct 18, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Smasher is balanced. Not OP or UP.

warm lintel Oct 18, 2020, 4:58 AM

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@jagged crescent why though? I don’t see why it needs a buff or a nerf. And I also adore the vindicator UM. Like, the smasher seems to be mostly fair...please tell me how wrong I am though

flat bane Oct 18, 2020, 5:08 AM

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T-2020 is the only tank in game that made me sick and almost puked by looking at it.

nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Well at least it’s nice to have a rare tank

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Well T-2020 has only been sold once directly and twice indirectly
Once upon it’s Initial release
Once in the Russian Invasion Containers
And it was available in the Lucky Vlll containers

jagged crescent Oct 18, 2020, 5:14 AM

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@warm lintel because Smasher bad armor and too slow.
So buff smasher 😎

flat bane Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 AM

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A rare tank that makes people sick 🤢

mental pasture Oct 18, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Imagine paying 60 dollars for an IS-5 with stock ST-1 turret.

"Why is it so simple and so expensive?" They say. Welp, what if the tank actually cost 30 dollars, but the gun animation cost the other 30 dollars?
🤔

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Why does that thing get the op speed boost, like wtf

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nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2020, 7:05 AM

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It costed 50 USD

I bought it because it looked cool imo, but it still performs nicely, not too strong, but certainly not weak. Of course the price isn’t worth it because of how new it is, but by performance it’s fine

Just note the price of a tank shouldn’t play a part in the balance of said tank

turbid smelt Oct 18, 2020, 7:25 AM

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@Spartan617#1343 complaining about other inferior tank in smasher i see?

winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 8:10 AM

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As a person that likes the is5, I will not have the is5 compared to such a piece of garbage.

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mental pasture Oct 18, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Lol, the 1500 gold tank have more armor than the 50 dollars one

What a shame 🤣

teal palm Oct 18, 2020, 8:16 AM

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T-2020 is a straight up scam of a tank

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 8:22 AM

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Well, like the Annihilator is much better then the smasher imo, it actually has armour and dpm and has the op speed boost

mental pasture Oct 18, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Well, none will ever get it without much luck and spooktober lootboxes, as like GD

People will sell it in 3 months, chill and start playing tier 8, so you won't get so annoyed with Annihilator

That's all that we can do for now

mossy scarab Oct 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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turbid smelt Oct 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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@Spartan617#1343 anhillator's armour layout is worse than that of smasher
dpm is higher by 200 hp that is if you would hit with every shell and penetrate your target
overall pick up is worse than smasher and 15s boost is not going to save you all day

mossy scarab Oct 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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That picture what i have sended is about matchmaking. We have a black prince a chi-to gravedigger, y5 elc bis, su-100y vk28.01 and a other t7. And look what the opponents got, they have 4 tanks that does 640 dmg per shot

distant river Oct 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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oh no we have significant dpm advantages when they have alpha advantages how could we possibly win this game??? I must go cry about it in a channel specifically not meant to discuss MM as the pinned messages clearly say
@mossy scarab

mossy scarab Oct 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Whats wrong with the blitz communty. Always complaining abouts other people opinion. They always says somebody is crying when they have a opinion. How sad are you.

winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Why are you crying about other people crying about other people crying?

distant river Oct 18, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Why are you crying about other people crying about other people crying about other people crying? 🤔

@mossy scarab Funnily enough if you complain about the random matchmaker being too random for your liking in one game, in a channel where you are told not to, you don't get much respect 🤷‍♀️

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Did you really say it’s armour layout is worse, omg

turbid smelt Oct 18, 2020, 10:10 AM

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@mossy scarab no one discusses about blitz community food chain
who are you, so wise in weis of science?

jovial arch Oct 18, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Why WG don't buff T34 and T30, as they did with T29??😐

nocturne mauve Oct 18, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Oh no don’t

distant river Oct 18, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Because the T34 and T30 are great tanks that definitely do not need a buff, and the T29 is now a completely skilless and broken tank that should never have been buffed and should never had got the consumables...

tender lagoon Oct 18, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Is3 defender needs its magazine reload brought down. 7 seconds far to long it might as well be a single shot reload gun

winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 10:40 AM

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It's a single shot tank that reloads faster than smaller caliber guns. Treat it like one.

frail silo Oct 18, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Whats wrong with the blitz communty. Always complaining abouts other people opinion. They always says somebody is crying when they have a opinion. How sad are you.
@mossy scarab because basically
your team as honourless said
consists of a lot of tanks that simply out dpm all the 640 single shooters
so it is not impossible to win against them if you can use your tank

tender lagoon Oct 18, 2020, 10:49 AM

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It does not reload faster. It takes over 20 seconds for the magazine reload and another 14 seconds to empty it. You are better off with the t57 if you go for auto reloaders and it’s a tier 10

distant river Oct 18, 2020, 10:53 AM

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...comparing a tier 8 to a tier 10?????
The IS3def can act like a generic 122, but with a 7.5 second reload as said above. Use it like one until you have spent all three shots and then pull back for your reload.

fiery dagger Oct 18, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Re-read it. You dish out 1200 damage with the intraclip reload of a single shot 90mm gun.

drifting depot Oct 18, 2020, 10:55 AM

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Whats wrong with the blitz communty. Always complaining abouts other people opinion. They always says somebody is crying when they have a opinion. How sad are you.
^

He's right on that analogy though, but if that was to be implemented on an is3 i'd say an option to use a 100mm gun with 3 secs intra reload, 215 ap pen and 275 Apcr pen, around 20 secs clip reload, maybe the same accuracy as the 122 with just slightly better aim time and 280-310 alpha 😔

tender lagoon Oct 18, 2020, 11:00 AM

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I am comparing a tier 8 to a tier 10 because the t57 is how a magazine clip should work. You spend more time waiting for the magazine to load so the benefits are to fire shells more quickly

teal palm Oct 18, 2020, 11:02 AM

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IS-3 Defender on avg does 1200 dpm, yes it takes 15 seconds to unload but for a heavy tank at tier 8 that’s still nuts, do not buff it

distant river Oct 18, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Your interpretation of how an autoloader works is not the same as how it should work. The IS3def is perfectly fine how it is, the only other tank with a clipper and that alpha is the T28def which has 6.7sec intraclip. It does not need to be changed just because you dislike it or cannot adapt to the uniqueness of it

tender lagoon Oct 18, 2020, 11:10 AM

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Yes it’s doing 1200 dpm but it’s the time it does it in. You can get non premium tanks with single shot guns that do 1200 dpm in less time and I do like the tank it’s the timings. Bring one of the reloads times down. I’m not saying both

drifting depot Oct 18, 2020, 11:11 AM

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I mean, I'd say this channel is more for someone to give his opinion on something they'd like to see implemented, most likely Knowing it just won't cause wargaming employees actually don't take anything from this channel rather than the other feature it has, the exact same guys always dissmising something no matter how good or bad of an idea it is for no particular reason even though they also know those ideas wouldn't be implemented anyway (oh and they usually have blue names 😐 just a coincidence, not all of them do)

teal palm Oct 18, 2020, 11:15 AM

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If the defender was to for some ungodly reason get buffed, what would you want
@tender lagoon
you want the reload to be buffed to 15 seconds
you do know that the t57 and amx 50 take around 19 seconds

tender lagoon Oct 18, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Shells to be fired at 5 second reloads or bring the magazine reload down to 15 seconds. I’m not asking for the is 3 defender to be a super tank it’s just the times are to high. Yes but they have shorter firing times. You can off load 3 shell quicker in a t57 than 1 in a is3 defender

paper pumice Oct 18, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Is the new tier 7 tank op

drifting depot Oct 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Ye kinda

winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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More gun depression, burstier, and a trolly hull at the cost of a slight bit of dpm and a weaker turret.

Extra gun depression offsets the weaker turret greatly

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orchid grove Oct 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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@tender lagoon Well, T57 levels of firepower on a tier 8 with the armor and mobility of the IS-3 defender would be pretty busted.

The long interclip keeps it somewhat balanced

turbid smelt Oct 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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and weaker turrent@winged barn

jovial arch Oct 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Because the T34 and T30 are great tanks that definitely do not need a buff, and the T29 is now a completely skilless and broken tank that should never have been buffed and should never had got the consumables...
@distant river

teal palm Oct 18, 2020, 11:27 AM

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I thought that IS-3 Defender had the better turret (at least from the front)
225 vs 240ish

orchid grove Oct 18, 2020, 11:35 AM

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@winged barn Although, even with the full gun depression, IS-3 defender turret is still susceptible to the higher pen shells on tier 8 TDs and tier 9's, as opposed to the IS-3 turret, which is pretty much invincible, even without using the gun depression.

@teal palm Nah, standard IS-3 turret is straight up invincible. Even against massive penetration shells, like the ~370mm HEAT pen on the SU-101 using calibrated shells, it's impenetrable frontally.

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winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 11:35 AM

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The normal is3 has significantly more angle to it than the is3d making it much more effective.
The is3d turret becomes very weak when only slightly turned away

The extra gun depression and 7.5 reload make me really like the is3d though. Still one of my favorite tier 8s

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turbid smelt Oct 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

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is3d also has that stupid 20mm roof

teal palm Oct 18, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Ah right that makes much more sense
Dammit waiting for cooldowns

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 12:22 PM

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IS-3D is a beautiful tank, capable of seriously messing up a persons day, coupled with 7° I find it’s one of the better 122mm heavies
But guys remember, the IS-3D was designed and balanced to be in the game over 4 years ago, it hasn’t been rebalanced in order to be super competitive in today’s game

teal palm Oct 18, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Probably for the better, if it was buffed it would probably get overcooked

orchid grove Oct 18, 2020, 12:25 PM

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It's aged a little, but it's still a strong tank. Just because it hasn't been rebalanced for today isn't a bad thing, since 4 years ago it was the broken tank of its day

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Yeah, it’s a beautiful tank that’s showing it’s age, but I don’t think we want a true IS-3A from PC on blitz, the IS-3D is the IS-3A done right

orchid grove Oct 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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IS-3A from PC copy pasted into Blitz would be so obnoxious. In your first engagement you fight like a T57 with armor, and then when you basically just never get to reload the rest of the battle, since even loading just 2 shells would take you over 25s, and like >40s for the full magazine

Yeah, but it's an IS-3A, and it's not that fast, so when the first engagement starts, you'll probably be like halfway through the 3rd shell, and probably would just wait to load it in

I feel that pain in the 50 b though, that specific mines scenario. You rush to the entrance, or maybe even try to take the hill if you see nothing, and then realize you don't even have ammunition for them until a few more seconds

It also happens on PC to the Bat Chat, and it's pretty funny in comp sometimes, you'll sometimes see bat chats from both teams rush the hill, then awkwardly try to position as they wait another 5-10s for their shells to load (which is why sometimes teams might even run the small 100mm gun on Mines, just to have ammunition in time when they get on the hill)

Also Kranvagn is nothing like a 50 b. Kranvagn plays a lot more closely to an IS-4 than anything

For me it's the opposite, I'm so used to the regimented nature of a normal autoloader that I have trouble getting used to an autoreloader. Like I'll fire off a few shells on something, and then instinctively dab the C key, only to realize I'm playing an autoreloader. Also, I hate having those moments when you're waiting to top off a magazine, and want to fire the second it's loaded, and then hit the fire button a microsecond early and end up firing the last shell instead, completely wasting the time spent loading

winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 12:41 PM

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You probably wouldn't even fully load the first clip unless you sat back and waited for a bit. On fast tanks, even 15 seconds is too long to be ready for the first engagement.

On my is3d I often find myself just watching tanks take the hill on mines with them in my sights with 5ish seconds left on my reload

I still need to get my hands on a 50b. Although now I don't even want to not that i have a 122mm autoreloader.

Autoreloaders in general have spoiled me from autoloaders I can't even enjoy how the emil 1 plays with having to reload that long after only shooting 1 shot off

jagged crescent Oct 18, 2020, 4:03 PM

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(1-(0.98^[number of crates purchased]))=Your chance

fallow eagle Oct 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Buff obj 140 turret

turbid smelt Oct 18, 2020, 4:54 PM

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nah lel
t62 already exist

distant river Oct 18, 2020, 4:59 PM

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I think an acceleration buff would suit the 140. Its skill ceiling is already in a pretty good place but the floor is kinda low so it would just make it more comfortable for bad players to play

fallow eagle Oct 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Buff something about the obj 140
T62a is lot useful in many situations then obj 140(not saying obj 140 is bad)but the roof is garbage on it,i wish they would buff the turret to have armor values constant all round the turret rather then just the front strip

nocturne mauve Oct 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Why did T-62 get a depression buff

muted rampart Oct 18, 2020, 5:30 PM

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idk

austere citrus Oct 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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buff t28 speed to 30 and traverse

muted rampart Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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@austere citrus I d rather get impenetrable frontal armor. It will be more similar to rest of The line

austere citrus Oct 18, 2020, 5:57 PM

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then give it 305mm because i get penned by a isu 152 in the front and buff the cupola to like 305mm, but u can keep the sides week.

nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2020, 6:26 PM

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T-2020 isn't garbage, and I'll stand by that >:(

The main thing for T-2020 is the gun, not the armor, though it will catch a few shells from time to time, and can be hulldown with some turret wiggling against the less accurate guns

vernal arch Oct 18, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Buff the turret and hull armor on amx m4 45

fiery dagger Oct 18, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Rather buff the manouverability and maybe the gun in some way, in order to become coherent to the higher tiers.

vernal arch Oct 18, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Yes but it suffers because it has good ish armor and mobility and mabye a higher alpha damage same for panther 8,8

austere citrus Oct 18, 2020, 8:40 PM

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ah yes amx m4 45 sucks when i got it so yea buff should be like 130mm hull, and 180mm turret

drowsy idol Oct 18, 2020, 8:59 PM

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is asking a maneuverability nerf for obj 268 too much since the armor profile is way too strong with that mobility

nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2020, 9:01 PM

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LOL why don't you take stabs at T-62A then?

austere citrus Oct 18, 2020, 9:01 PM

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no 268 is not op, the armor is hecka troll though

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Why do people go hill on mines? I go to the encounter cap area to shoot people leaving spawn. Also, as the game develops hill is basically a stalemate so I can just flank around to distract the tds in the enemy spawn

vernal arch Oct 18, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I agree

warm lintel Oct 18, 2020, 9:26 PM

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That’s the question we all have @unique scaffold, but what I don’t understand is why do people hate the map mines in higher tiers. I personally love it. (Please don’t hate me)

winged barn Oct 18, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I like it when I have gun depression. Otherwise it sucks

flat bane Oct 18, 2020, 9:28 PM

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WG's balance process is " poison the poison"

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Mines is a free farm imo. No special plays or position but free farm

muted rampart Oct 18, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I also really like mines. Idk why, i just do. Maybe because this is map on which i played probably the biggest amount of battles? I even remember its old version with cap base near the hill. I hope that somebody will make modufication that will change grafics to those foggy grafics from begginig of the game. Sometimes i just want to play Good old blitz with only few t Xs, old low tiers etc. I think creating something like wot blitz classic would be a nice idea

austere citrus Oct 18, 2020, 9:49 PM

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i think they should put more mine maps in the rotation because i dont get on that map enough and its so fun

flat bane Oct 18, 2020, 10:00 PM

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I always liked Mines tbh

karmic steeple Oct 18, 2020, 10:00 PM

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.....
Why just why

distant river Oct 18, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Its the reason I play supremacy only most of the time :)

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Bruh why would u not like a map that is a free farm? It is the easiest map to get high damage. Also, the only bad part of mines is that it sucks unless ur in a heavium

coarse harness Oct 18, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Mines is boring and should be removed from high tiers or reworked

hardy hazel Oct 18, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Its short and boring, thats why i only play supremacy

karmic steeple Oct 18, 2020, 10:10 PM

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It’s not a free farm at all. It’s a stalemate in every direction. Hill, you can only really play effectively if you have turret armor + some decent gun depression. That town area you’re talking about is also a stalemate Bc TDs can cover any tanks over there unless they are just not smart. And the lighthouse side has no reliable shots and is too open. It’s a bad map. Doesn’t enable any kind of tactical maneuvers, just how well the tds can punish people poking.

flat bane Oct 18, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Mines is fun and easy to play, it's my 2nd favorite after canal.

drowsy idol Oct 18, 2020, 10:19 PM

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y’all are probably td mains that’s why you say that

karmic steeple Oct 18, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Or trolling lol

shell fossil Oct 18, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Popular opinion amongst my blitz friends- this event is the worst of the lot. Encourages camping and nonexistent team play. Seriously insanely frustrating and boring, especially when 90% of my teammates are potatoes and lose. Every. Single. Time. It's honestly such a bad game mode, and I have more fun with the random battles I've been playing since the first day I started.

flat bane Oct 18, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Nope lol, Mines is fun. You guys just don't know how to play xd.

dense yoke Oct 18, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Ah, yes. Remember when atgms came in game? The prenerfed ones? It was wonderful seeing them go mines/hill and using missles on you.

civic topaz Oct 18, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Good old times

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flat bane Oct 18, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Remember when I spammed them on Mines lmao.

minor minnow Oct 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Why do people go hill on mines? I go to the encounter cap area to shoot people leaving spawn. Also, as the game develops hill is basically a stalemate so I can just flank around to distract the tds in the enemy spawn
@unique scaffold because if you can effectively control the hill you control the map. You have shots to all four corners and can spot in lights

dense walrus Oct 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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only to get torn apart by flankers and snipers

austere citrus Oct 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Buff Conqueror Turret to 250mm, hull is already trash, at least give it a turret that can withstand some shells

eager shadow Oct 19, 2020, 1:17 AM

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What would happen if we made just tier 10 like ranked?

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2020, 2:15 AM

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dense walrus Oct 19, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Almost like there is a channel for this

jagged crescent Oct 19, 2020, 2:28 AM

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The best of both worlds

minor minnow Oct 19, 2020, 2:50 AM

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drUgs

pliant escarp Oct 19, 2020, 3:46 AM

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heavy TDs need hp buff

chrome geyser Oct 19, 2020, 4:42 AM

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I think WG need to buff Centurion. Because the tank is really trash. Even with a correct way of playing, which is hulldown. It is still out performance, because the DPM is the lowest in the tier 8 British line + the mobility as nearly the same as Caernarvon without armor. Even IF Wargaming decide to buff the mobility a bit, I do prefer they buff the DPM first. Because it is very awful. Can't even beat 1 vs 1 with another tier 8 tank. That is also depend on RNG and damage roll

hardy hazel Oct 19, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Dpm is ok, i feel it lacks of speed

chrome geyser Oct 19, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Nah, the DPM is the problem. Even 1 vs 1 with FV301, Centurion with 1450 HP and 2031 DPM vs FV301 with 1200 HP and 2378 DPM, still lose in DPM, FV win. Already tried it in several occasion.

But I also agree to buff the mobility a bit, eventhough Centurion has no armor. But still, DPM is the problem. Lowest in every tier 8 British line.

tall owl Oct 19, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Max speed of 40 km/h is pretty sad for a tank like that... and i think they should maybe trade a slower reload time, but make a bigger alpha, right? I mean if it has around 250+ alpha but with a 5-6 sec reload it would be a great dpm support.

hardy hazel Oct 19, 2020, 5:44 AM

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I think it only needs speed, +5km/h to the max speed wont hurt

frosty oriole Oct 19, 2020, 5:52 AM

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no, if u want speed then i think the light tanks are the line to go

I was thinking of giving the centurions some workable armor similar to the fv4202 so it would be a fairly well armored medium line considering its also a main battle tank

chrome geyser Oct 19, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Yes, it is kinda sad for Centurion, the first MBT in the world to be lose in performance to FV301 Light Tank in term of DPM and armor(?).

For me, Centurion mobility is mediocre for a Medium Tank, eventhough is has no armor. But the turret armor is kinda good in hulldown position. That is why in my opinion, it is need a DPM buff, so it can shoot very often like FV301 and Caernarvon.

Imagine a tank with nearly the same mobility as Caernarvon, but lack armor and lack DPM, and it is the first MBT in the world. How sad...

tall owl Oct 19, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Yes, it is kinda sad for Centurion, the first MBT in the world to be lose in performance to FV301 Light Tank in term of DPM and armor(?).

For me, Centurion mobility is mediocre for a Medium Tank, eventhough is has no armor. But the turret armor is kinda good in hulldown position. That is why in my opinion, it is need a DPM buff, so it can shoot very often like FV301 and Caernarvon.

Imagine a tank with nearly the same mobility as Caernarvon, but lack armor and lack DPM, and it is the first MBT in the world. How sad...
@chrome geyser ikr, the turret is still kinda decent, considering 167mm on a 41 (ish?) degrees of angle on the turrets cheeks... but yeah, the dpm is a pew pew gun...

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2020, 6:08 AM

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~~centurion isn’t considered the first one especially the variant ingame~~ centurion either needs a mobility or dpm buff since that’s the main gimmick of the line it’s still really sad to see the defender being a gigantic upgrade over it

hardy hazel Oct 19, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Not rly, lights are better than meds in that tech tree if you ask me, they have camo, 60km/h speed and a good armor, and even if they all share the same modules, light tanks gets better stats aside for accuracy and pen in tier 10, and as i said before, meds only have its premium hesh to hold themselves but that not the great deal when everything else is lacking

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2020, 6:29 AM

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centurion 1 is not competitive versus premiums meds or superheavies. The low damages gun can't help hime to trade effectively

lunar lava Oct 19, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Emil II DEFINITLY needs some love.The turret and hull armor is not working against tier 9-10s,the mobility and DPM isnt good (as expeted and it is understandable) and the gun handling is mediocre.In my opinion it must have something good to be competitive in tier 9 like the kranvang in tier 10 and Emil 1 in tier 8 which is very solid if not too good as it combines all characteristics.I think the best option would be to buff the turret armor so it can support better the hull down playstyle because right now it simply doesnt.

winged barn Oct 19, 2020, 8:47 AM

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The emil 2 has a broken gun. Luckily everything else balances that out. I do not want tanks that can just mindlessness carry and are idiotproof like the maus has become.

fierce crag Oct 19, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Emil 1 is definitely overpowered,pls nerf it,it has both awesome armor and powerful magazine,which has a nice brust damage,side armor should be the same as pc WOT's 20mm

noble quail Oct 19, 2020, 11:54 AM

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I think WG need to buff Centurion. Because the tank is really trash. Even with a correct way of playing, which is hulldown. It is still out performance, because the DPM is the lowest in the tier 8 British line + the mobility as nearly the same as Caernarvon without armor. Even IF Wargaming decide to buff the mobility a bit, I do prefer they buff the DPM first. Because it is very awful. Can't even beat 1 vs 1 with another tier 8 tank. That is also depend on RNG and damage roll
The Pershing dpm says hi
The Pershing's dpm is just 2.1k, while the centurion's dpm is 2.3k

IMO the centurion is decent, maybe just a buff on the speed

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2020, 1:08 PM

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Buff super Pershing

jagged crescent Oct 19, 2020, 1:12 PM

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latent snow Oct 19, 2020, 1:38 PM

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They are buffing the Vindicator!
Finally :”D

turbid smelt Oct 19, 2020, 2:26 PM

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if anyone is wondering what is pt
pt in rushian is short for "probivayoushi tank"
which means tank destroyer

I wonder what they did with isu and proto

hearty steeple Oct 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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For isu d-25S gun is getting a pen buff. No bl10 buff i am guessing

noble quail Oct 19, 2020, 2:37 PM

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BL-10 is already great

If they are gonna buff the 122mm guns it's understandable, to make the grind less painful and also make players have choices to use the 152 or the 122

nocturne venture Oct 19, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Nah BL-10 needs an apcr pen buff, 329 doesn't cut it when shooting the flat side of a 252U

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2020, 2:43 PM

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📎 20201019_1216__kikitheo__1157757179823744902.wotbreplay

turbid smelt Oct 19, 2020, 2:46 PM

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@nocturne venture there is very thin strip of auto ricochet angle at sides
very similar to wz 120 1 ft
no amount of pen buff for ap or apcr round is going to go through that
if you happen to hit it

only wei to penetrate that with ap or apcr is if you double the size of 152mm

fiery dagger Oct 19, 2020, 2:49 PM

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The pen buffs they are planning to implement bothers me. Why not just nerf the overcooked armour profiles? This way, heavies will only rely on their huge hp pool, without needing knowledge of their armour usage, because it will get rendered useless.
Not even talking about the somewhat armour-reliant meds which are already underperforming.

full token Oct 19, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Armor nerfs to heavies would allow mediums to fight them from the front and not need to go flank for easier pens

nocturne mauve Oct 19, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Pen buffs are ridiculous, why do TDs need more pen

winged barn Oct 19, 2020, 3:03 PM

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@full token and that is different from a pen buff how? Buffing literally everything results in a lot more powercreep than nerfing a few. It only creates more problems

Wait a minute... buffing the jackson? Lol.

And I see a couple of already overbuffed tanks on that list.

dense walrus Oct 19, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Because the pen buff only helps those tds and hurts everything else.

muted rampart Oct 19, 2020, 3:07 PM

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they didn t say that pen buffs will be on tank destryers, they said that most t6-t8 tanks will get those buffs and the list of tanks getting changed below doesn t mean that those buffs are only penetration ones, or just google translator messed it up and meaning of it is completly different

full token Oct 19, 2020, 3:21 PM

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BlitzPost said that it was a buff to TDs in those tiers. Idk why this other post doesn’t specify TDs

karmic steeple Oct 19, 2020, 3:33 PM

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I mean you could just read through the list and see there are only tds

fiery dagger Oct 19, 2020, 3:33 PM

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There's a statement above about buffing penetration values, and that doesn't specify any class.

jagged crescent Oct 19, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Ok so I'm happy about the JG88 getting an alpha buff up to 350. But they buffed the penetration for the Jg PZ IV's 3.2k dpm gun to 175mm... why?! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510602531672555532/767777997938884638/IMG_0370.png
Btw would be the Jg88s new dpm if the reload stays the same (using calibrated shells)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502018644193181706/767780260321951765/unknown.png

nocturne mauve Oct 19, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I was expecting a wz 120 1g ft buff

lucid plover Oct 19, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Im glad that the AT 15 is finally getting some love, might mean Wargaming are gonna start fixing up some of the real stinkers in that line or at least de-powercreep some of the powercrept tanks (cent 1 comes to mind, since FV301 quite literally beats it in almost everything but armor and hitpoints as a same tier non-premium light tank)

muted rampart Oct 19, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Can somebody send here a link to all changes list? Or at least write up here all the changes on tanks

full token Oct 19, 2020, 5:12 PM

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It’ll be put up on blitzhangar soon. Rn people only know about changes by looking at the stats from the old version and comparing to the open test

acoustic shard Oct 19, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Ammo capacity buff the WZ blaze as well as a reload reduction to 9.5 from 10.9

winged barn Oct 19, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Alpha and dpm buff the the jag88? Holy...

fiery dagger Oct 19, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Why in the world will the jgpz 4 get a pen AND alpha buff?

muted rampart Oct 19, 2020, 5:56 PM

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can somebody explain why the frick jgpz 4 is going to have 3 703 DPM on t6 if the reload isn t going to be nerfed what have been shown at the screenshot?

hardy hazel Oct 19, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Because of the already broken tanks in tier 5, 6 and 7, wg just wanted to add one more tank to the list

muted rampart Oct 19, 2020, 6:22 PM

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can somebody who is a tester send those changes on other tanks too please? id like to what other really good ideas like 3700 DPM on t6 WG has for us

austere citrus Oct 19, 2020, 6:25 PM

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imagine they add a 152mm to the MLE 54

winged barn Oct 19, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I want to see how they buffed the jackson. Its already the best tier 6 med

dense walrus Oct 19, 2020, 6:34 PM

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AP pen 160 to 175

muted rampart Oct 19, 2020, 6:35 PM

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@dense walrus can you send all changes please?

drowsy plaza Oct 19, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Pretty sure it’s only TD’s at this point

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Testers cannot share info they have from WG until it’s public.

full token Oct 19, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Open Test info is ok to share afaik

drowsy plaza Oct 19, 2020, 6:39 PM

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It didn’t used to be.

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You can discuss it within the test circle but not beyond

drowsy plaza Oct 19, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Back to Balance Discussion --

muted rampart Oct 19, 2020, 11:43 PM

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I think 3703 dpm at tier 6 is really balanced WG if you really want to push up this changes you are really smart

drowsy idol Oct 19, 2020, 11:48 PM

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can’t smasher he the jg frontally

dense walrus Oct 19, 2020, 11:49 PM

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only the lower plate with CS

muted rampart Oct 19, 2020, 11:55 PM

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@dense walrus and only at Good angle

midnight fable Oct 20, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Hey WG, can you fix the RNG balance so when you hit a tank in the side, it actually pens?

midnight fable Oct 20, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Actually, when the hit skin is solid gray and your pen is 3x more than the armor, could you make it so it pens?
I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

nimble zodiac Oct 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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DM me examples of that situation, and I could explain

dense walrus Oct 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Can’t tell you how many times I’ve bounced off the Emil 1’s supposedly weak sides. There has gotta be something wrong with track mechanics.

midnight fable Oct 20, 2020, 3:19 AM

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I think there is something wrong with track mechanics on all tanks.
Or WG just messes with my RNG.

fallow eagle Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I'm guessing meds will get buffed next since heavies have received the buff and tds are going to be buffed
Maybe alpha damage buff ?

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Yes, give mediums pen and alpha buff, I want a leopard with 400 Alpha and good pen

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 3:38 AM

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alpha? no. They have the dpm. Penetration probably

what do you mean keep buffing. Most mediums had their pen nerfed a while back.

You play heavies for the alpha. Don't take that away

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 3:42 AM

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wait no, dont buff penetration, alpha buff is fine because if we keep buffing penetration, then armor is not so useful.

turbid smelt Oct 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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leopard's aim time should swapped with t62a

t62a has better atm
and it also has armour to play aggressive

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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which one is better, i dont pay attention to every single stats of a tankl. @verbal thistle u give t44 tons of DPM, MOD 1 with a 140mm plate, Type 59 with a 120mm plate

verbal thistle Oct 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Old tier 8 meds need some love on penetration department
T-54 Mod 1
Type 59
T-44

fallow eagle Oct 20, 2020, 4:43 AM

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It looks like they are trying to build the game around like pc version
Like heavies getting hp buffs and td getting pen buffs
Meds might get numbers like pc counter part where some 105mm guns have 390 alpha and meds like leo 1 have 420 lol

turbid smelt Oct 20, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I don't like it if it is going that way

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 5:25 AM

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give leo 1 420, The leo will be insanely fun.

turbid smelt Oct 20, 2020, 5:27 AM

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it is good as it is... maybe swap aimtime with t62a if you really want some buff

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 5:42 AM

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the alpha in blitz and PC are scaled differently. 420 alpha is what u have on the 121 and that thing's a nasty piece of work already.
Just give the meds better standard round pen.

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I’m curious why wargaming just won’t give them APDS aswell since it’s not even a complex round

tender bison Oct 20, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Armour piercing discarding sabot?

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 6:11 AM

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i have no idea how that works but cooolio lol

nope. If it was in game, what would it do

median pendant Oct 20, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Never seen one of the videos that shows how discarding sabots work?

frosty oriole Oct 20, 2020, 6:22 AM

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first u load a pickle with a toothpick stuck on it into a chamber and when it fires, peasants run at the speed of the shell and eat the pickle with only the toothpick remaining and so it can hit the target and poke its butt

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 6:25 AM

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icic

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2020, 6:38 AM

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@jagged crescent from what I know it’s essentially just an AP like round encased in a sabot AKA the discarding part it is a lot more complex than that but simplified it’s advanced AP and much better than having APCR as standard

turbid smelt Oct 20, 2020, 6:52 AM

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@frosty oriole xD

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2020, 6:56 AM

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@jagged crescent APDS is an armor piercing round that uses the laws of physics to its advantage. Designers made the shell smaller, with a smaller tip. Because you have more kinetic energy applied over a much lower surface area, the penetration increases by a noticeable amount. Think of it like this: pushing a tack into a wall is easier than pushing your finger in, right? Smaller surface area, more force over that area, and more penetration. However, because the actual shell was smaller, the sabot was invented, which was an outer casing that filled in the space between the barrel walls and the penetrator. APDS was the predecessor to APFSDS (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot), which is essentially the same thing, but with fins added like on a missile for increased stability in the air, as APDS tends to tumble in flight and lose kinetic energy due to air resistance. The fins can be modified to allow for a bit of spin to increase accuracy as well.

verbal thistle Oct 20, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Man E4 needs to have that cupola buffed or removed

karmic portal Oct 20, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Can they please buff the dpm of tier 8 tech tree heavys. The t44 and the t34 1 have almost the same dpm. Yet the t34 1 is a tier 7. Tanks like the pershing and t44 have so little dpm compared to tier 7 tanks. The t43 which comes before the t44 has way more dpm

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 7:05 AM

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So tier 8 meds

noble quail Oct 20, 2020, 7:17 AM

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Yes I agree with that

Tier 8 tech tree meds are a mess right now tbh

dense yoke Oct 20, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Buff american mediums line's armor and dpm. Make it so they can go hulldown. buff t44 armor. Make it like the stb armor but t8 or something alike that. (Not sure about the mobility)

karmic portal Oct 20, 2020, 7:22 AM

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I wouldn’t mind a t44 turret buff and it wouldn’t even be that special with tanks like the defender Mark 1 existing. However I think it’s turret armor is fine, it’s just that it’s gun is so outdated, 175mm ap pen and 2k dpm in a tier dominated by high hp heavily armored heavy tanks

frosty oriole Oct 20, 2020, 7:25 AM

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imo the american and british meds both need some sort of buff
they're like the least played tanks at t8-10

meager spruce Oct 20, 2020, 7:33 AM

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^^^ I kinda agree. Like what is the purpose of playing brit meds when you got brit lights. What is the point of playing american meds when their heavies are so much better overall.

dense yoke Oct 20, 2020, 7:39 AM

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agreed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503672016252043275/768015293581885470/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503672016252043275/768015434233675776/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503672016252043275/768016700443459605/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503672016252043275/768016776637579284/unknown.png

mental pasture Oct 20, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Lol, E5 is much more medium than M48 Patton

verbal thistle Oct 20, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Even statically
Some tanks are not performing well yet Wargaming doesn't plan to buff them

winged barn Oct 20, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Some tanks on the other hand (heavies) just get buffed because lol

fallow eagle Oct 20, 2020, 9:46 AM

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I just wish they don't buff any t10 td in next update with regards to pen and buff meds in 7.5 update

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2020, 9:49 AM

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I like how logic wise they wanted battles to end quicker yet thought buffing heavies and TDs which in your head translate to difficult to take down quickly would be the answer to making games go quicker

coarse harness Oct 20, 2020, 10:32 AM

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They thought with the HP buff people will stop camping with hevies
Silly bois

Btw what do you guys think about the T25/2 ?
I think I've never seen it in this topic

winged barn Oct 20, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Its meh. It's not great, but not terrible

remote oriole Oct 20, 2020, 11:01 AM

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You see that question-mark right of “Base aim time” in BlitzHangar?

lone warren Oct 20, 2020, 11:22 AM

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@coarse harness generally a mediocre tank which you don’t see very often in battle

uneven otter Oct 20, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Why is the smasher getting buffed. The most op tank in tier 7 by a mile and it’s getting buffed. Are you guys dumb, stupid, or both?

dense yoke Oct 20, 2020, 11:47 AM

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i don't know how to tell him this... check pinned https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503672016252043275/768078042245234688/unknown.png

distant river Oct 20, 2020, 11:50 AM

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@uneven otter It's not getting buffed, there was a bug where the server side info didn't match client side info on tanks with a permanent camo because if the bonus, so that was rectified. There was no actual change in gameplay (from 3verys server)

uneven otter Oct 20, 2020, 11:56 AM

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I don’t read pinned, I see the 7.4 news and it looks like it’s getting buffed. It should honestly be nerfed but hey balance logic

crisp bane Oct 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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copied from other thread -> is the batchat getting buffed this update? I remember some dev in the forums said they were reducing the shell reload time

sinful leaf Oct 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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@dense walrus I legit shot the side of an Emil II with the M62-T2 at 45° with AP. It was dead center, but the tracks acted like they were some sort of black hole and ate the shell. Gg
(German tanks have thicc tracks and not even the superheavy ones are as resilient as the ones on Emil I/II)

hearty steeple Oct 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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copied from other thread -> is the batchat getting buffed this update? I remember some dev in the forums said they were reducing the shell reload time
@crisp bane how long ago was this? Blitzhangar doesn't have the 7.4 changes from the test server yet but so far nothing indicates any form of batchat buff

crisp bane Oct 20, 2020, 3:14 PM

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probably read it about half a month ago @hearty steeple. I'll see if I can find it

drowsy plaza Oct 20, 2020, 3:16 PM

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BC’s got a buff two updates ago.

acoustic axle Oct 20, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Does anyone know about an IS-4 nerf?

thick forum Oct 20, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Tortoise need a front armor buff

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 4:05 PM

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305mm frontal?

rare sleet Oct 20, 2020, 4:21 PM

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tortoise definitely needs an armor buff

thick forum Oct 20, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I think buff the front armor from 228mm to 260-270mm is enough because tortoise is a tier 9 tank but the front can easily pen without APCR, HEAT, TD, and cupola some tier 8 LT, MT, HT have high pen tortoise didn't very good now

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2020, 4:31 PM

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tortoise don't need nerf because it has a really good dpm. It is like a FV183

drowsy idol Oct 20, 2020, 4:44 PM

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no? tortoise is a dpm monster similar to t95 except it has more frontal armor

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2020, 4:45 PM

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lol T95 is slower than tortoise i think

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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T95 has that 155mm too. That thicc 640 alpha is good

rare sleet Oct 20, 2020, 4:52 PM

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if you play the tortoise, its slow you easily get penned and the only redeeming factor is the gun but the rest is the tank is straight garbage. Why would you play a tortoise when jagdtiger is almost superior to tortoise in every way

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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ngl he kinda true, jagdtiger has more armor, faster, better gun, uh pretty sure better concealment and basically a better bunker tank. T95 is also better with the 305mm armor, 155mm gun, i got it, give tortoise 800 alpha but same DPM so yea the tank sucks but the gun is good

warm falcon Oct 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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this isn't rly what i would call a balance change but this is the most fitting channel for this.
anyway, i was wondering if the wotb staff are considering reducing limitations for controls customisation on IOS/Android because rn we can't rly set the buttons to where we want theme to be as they need to stay in a certain area. this would allow players to use some claw configurations (using more than just your thumbs) wich would help theme close the gap between pc and mobile players.
if this isn't possible please tell me why.
i would rly enjoy an anwser (especially from devs) thanks you !

nocturne mauve Oct 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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We don’t need tryhard controls, is this an FPS game?

civic topaz Oct 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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@nocturne mauve I'd not call full customization tryharding. It's the same as if you couldn't use half of the keyboard on your PC. No logic behind it

tiny lion Oct 20, 2020, 5:24 PM

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We want to put each button where we would feel comfortable to use it
Make use of second fire button,i don't see why would anyone use this one
Doesn't matter if it is fps game or not.

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Apparently there’s something wrong with using whatever I have at my disposal to play well

tiny lion Oct 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Also think about nerfing vickers cr?

austere citrus Oct 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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no its good tank

winged barn Oct 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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The armor around the mantlet needs to be nerfed. The tier 8 meds need to spam gold at a tank that is faster, higher alpha, higher dpm, better camo, and has 10° of depression. Armored lights are fine, they just need some kind of drawback, like the 54ltwt has.

warm falcon Oct 20, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I don't find cr that mobile for a light but u still right

coarse harness Oct 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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The other lights are fine but the CR is broken

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 7:00 PM

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The mantlet's over 300+ of effective armor. All red even in my 268. It's definitely a bit overcooked.

hardy hazel Oct 20, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Making it the same thickness as the frontal turret armor without armor behind it will work

jagged crescent Oct 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I stand corrected. The mantlet +frontal turret armor on the CR goes from 300-460+mm
If there was a strip of armor that was like 0mm (kinda like in the centurion turret), that would probably fix it a little bit

flat bane Oct 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Don't nerf CR 😤 the turret is too good for a light lol

nimble zodiac Oct 20, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Love the "don't nerf" and "too good"

safe rapids Oct 20, 2020, 9:15 PM

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In the same sentence!

flat bane Oct 20, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Heck yes! I love spamming it.

fiery dagger Oct 20, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Yet after such selfishness, some players still wonder why WG never reads and listens to this discussion and community.

drowsy idol Oct 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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well obviously i don’t want it to get a buff if it increases my wr because of a broken turret

green whale Oct 20, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I bought T32

muted rampart Oct 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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@green whale Great. Nobody cares

drowsy idol Oct 20, 2020, 10:52 PM

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it’s just the mean way saying this belongs into #general-blitz-discussion

sinful leaf Oct 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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@jagged crescent "It's definitely a bit overcooked"
(The chart is from #devs-answers )

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nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2020, 12:27 AM

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T95 light tank

flat bane Oct 21, 2020, 12:28 AM

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It was trying to say T92 lmao

jagged crescent Oct 21, 2020, 12:43 AM

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T95 light tank

autumn zodiac Oct 21, 2020, 12:44 AM

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T95 Fyast

hardy hazel Oct 21, 2020, 12:46 AM

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i have to get the bat chat to see how bad that tank is, i played t92 and was funny to play, the rockets are hard to use but feels good when someone miss its rocket shot and you hit them with your rocket, also is annoying to shot them when your normal ammo cant pen, mostly because of the speed and the fact you need to aim were you want it to go so, the same gun but with normal HEAT shells will be good for T92 and Sheridan

cinder sage Oct 21, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Buff wish list

VK 30.01 and VK 30.02. There is no reason to play these instead of the VK28 and the Panther.
T44, T43: The T54 lightweight is much faster and has more troll armour. Barely see any of these for a reason.
T28: ack. Slow, butter to most tanks, and only has its gun as a redeeming factor, which it barely uses if it gets circled.
AT line in general: Slow, butter if people know to aim for the cupola, and same as the T28
I have more that some people may have differing opinions on (mobility of French lights and British meds, buff American autoloader line, etc)

austere citrus Oct 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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basically got an idea for all of them, buff armor profile, literally just double frontal armor(hull+turret) and thats about it, simple stuff

jagged crescent Oct 21, 2020, 1:48 AM

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hrnghhh more arMORR

sinful leaf Oct 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I don't think you would want to double the effective hull armor of T-44
Obj 252U but faster

hardy hazel Oct 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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and then everything else is going to have a bad day dealing with them so wg will buff pen for everything and enter in a stupid cycle of op and counter op

austere citrus Oct 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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then the armor will suck again and eventually there will be 252U with 800mm pen and 500mm frontal armor(big cycle)

rare sleet Oct 21, 2020, 2:14 AM

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infinite cycle of buffing and power creeping

austere citrus Oct 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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i mean that would bring diversity, like 1 month this is good, 1 month this is good

hardy hazel Oct 21, 2020, 2:17 AM

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eww no, stop trolling

gleaming apexBOT Oct 21, 2020, 2:51 AM

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dynoSuccess Pururut#8429 has been warned.

sinful leaf Oct 21, 2020, 3:02 AM

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The proper term would be the Vicious Cycle of Powercreep.

jagged crescent Oct 21, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Ren reminds me of EGirl

flat bane Oct 21, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Hold up, I'm selfish for having fun? 😭 😭

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2020, 6:42 AM

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waiting for obj 705 A to counter amx m4 54. AMX M4 54 is unpenetrable on front with golds shells... Normal or op?

flat bane Oct 21, 2020, 6:44 AM

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I hope 705A and 60TP comes soon

empty copper Oct 21, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Cent 1 still broken. Not in a good way either.

runic coyote Oct 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Gg wg for destroiyng tier 7

turbid smelt Oct 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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@signal flame I am free2play
and it I don't suffer
git gut

frail silo Oct 21, 2020, 11:01 AM

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i have to get the bat chat to see how bad that tank is, i played t92 and was funny to play, the rockets are hard to use but feels good when someone miss its rocket shot and you hit them with your rocket, also is annoying to shot them when your normal ammo cant pen, mostly because of the speed and the fact you need to aim were you want it to go so, the same gun but with normal HEAT shells will be good for T92 and Sheridan
@hardy hazel batchat ain't even half bad
it just has a high skill floor and even higher ceiling

white yoke Oct 21, 2020, 11:58 AM

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Isn’t it long overdue that the E4 gets the same consumables that E3 has? Even tho not being completely bad, it is surely one of the most boring tanks to play rn. Also the Patton and 140 have been forgotten about for some time already. Honestly I think it would be hard to balance them in an interesting way right now, what about a Special consumable for ~15% more dmg per shot for 15s?

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2020, 11:59 AM

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No, we don’t want anymore comsumables like this, otherwise the regular game Mode just becomes mad games

dusky bay Oct 21, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Gg wg for destroiyng tier 7
@runic coyote its easy to kill the Annihilator bruh

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 12:24 PM

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I've now started to think that a healthy acceleration buff for the 140 would be useful for it, it would make things quite a lot more comfortable for worse players while not affected good players too much which is kinda what it needs

hardy hazel Oct 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

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@hardy hazel batchat ain't even half bad
it just has a high skill floor and even higher ceiling
I know, but i want to experience it just to know how it is

scarlet fjord Oct 21, 2020, 12:57 PM

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IS-7 gun: worst damage stats in tier 10 of the heavies
bad accuracy bad pen on APCR meh DPM slow aim time
buff 1 aspect at least
in my opinion buff the Dispersion factors just a touch

acoustic shard Oct 21, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I think the Is-7s gun needs an over all buff to it's pen as well as it's accuracy. the thing needs more ammo as well.

dense yoke Oct 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Just buff Is7 gun and it would do good. i would not be mad if is7 gets the clip autoloader.

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 2:24 PM

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IS7 is fine how it is, it just takes a little bit if finesse to play well. Its probably a better choice than all meds atm because of the hp buffs and it really doesn't need anything more

acoustic shard Oct 21, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Petition For A second Gun option for the Fv- 4005 An 820/690/1200 alpha and a 15.6 or 16 second reload, With all the equipment and rations. Max alpha would be 1080/820/1500. Basically a semi higher alpha Jpz e100 gun. It would Have the same pen at it's auto leader gun for the ap and apcr so 280/370/92. it would make it more like it is on PC, a single shot threat minus the Hesh.

lunar niche Oct 21, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Even more broken with the consumables it has lol.

fiery dagger Oct 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Both Fv4005 and IS-7 is fine how it is, no changes needed. In fact, the autoloader 4005 is my all time favourite TD.

winged barn Oct 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Don't mind me as I take an is7 to the medium's side...

The meds don't have the speed to escape, the alpha/pen/armor/hp to brawl it, and their one advantage, dpm, is negated by the hp pool and the necessity of HEAT

rain lake Oct 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Meds have the mobility to circle it n most meds can hulldown so they wont be penned
U should know this already tho

winged barn Oct 21, 2020, 3:33 PM

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COD only works against turretless tanks and the wz113. Any other tank will be able to keep up. And I regret to inform you that heavies have basically no problems penning the mediums in tier 10

simple solar Oct 21, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Just poped into a normal game today in a bulldog. We were sitting on the cap, I was at full health, but we we were surrounded. A KV-2 pokes his head around the corner, and keep in mind I was at full health and I was more or less facing towards him, One-shot ammo racks me. How is this fair?

nocturne mauve Oct 21, 2020, 3:38 PM

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The problem with KV-2, it’s not fair with that alpha in tier 6

dense walrus Oct 21, 2020, 3:38 PM

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don't cap in a bulldog and don't sit in front of Kv2s

minor minnow Oct 21, 2020, 3:41 PM

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What Fearless and Tiger said
Kv2 aimed at ur ammo and has high module damage
Bulldog gets ammoracked fairly often

rain lake Oct 21, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Yknow what, theres no point in wasting my time lmao
If u think is7 can pen the turret of tanks like stb1 or t62a without incredible luck im sure i cant change ur mind even with armor inspector

dense yoke Oct 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Y'know the meds are next?

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@scarlet fjord If you want to insult me then try pinging me or checking my stats first instead of embarrassing yourself 😘
As said above meds have traverse speed and dpm over the IS7 and that's about it, and the alpha and armour make up for it. Slap on the extra hp and meds aren't really useful until you get to the level where you can abuse mobility and dpm.

gleaming apexBOT Oct 21, 2020, 3:44 PM

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dynoSuccess Harbinger#0072 has been warned.

scarlet fjord Oct 21, 2020, 3:46 PM

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@distant river you just embarrassed yourself by saying IS-7 makes meds irrelevant
every person i told this reacted with "HAHAHAHAHAHA"
BY the way
and mods are you serious?
warning me cuz ur "veterans" are literally 49%-ers?
Btw i am a R1SK member so i would get off your high horse ur prob 55%

drowsy idol Oct 21, 2020, 3:46 PM

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hes a 61%..

winged barn Oct 21, 2020, 3:47 PM

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@rain lake I definitely know which tank I would want to be in

With a solid alpha and (800?) Hp advantage as well

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unique scaffold Oct 21, 2020, 3:48 PM

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@scarlet fjord you were warned for being insulting and uncivil. If you can't have a civil discussion you'll soon find yourself muted.

nocturne mauve Oct 21, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Well since IS-7 has had that HP buff, then yes it made meds much more irrelevant

muted rampart Oct 21, 2020, 3:59 PM

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wtf? why even is 7 XD is7 isn t even close to making meds irrevelant. it s much more slower has low dpm, bad accuaracy, but it has way better alpha dmg and way better armor. it s not even close in playstyle to meds and it s really easy to destroy by medium tank if you know what to do. if you can t circle is 7 or you don t have possibility to hit lower plate/ pen cheeks just don t fight with it. you have good mobility so you can easly run. i can even say that wz 113 is much closer to make meds irrevelant (it s closer, it s not the case). there are many ways to destroy is 7 with medium tank you just need to have some skill, but it s obvious that every medium tank has some quite high skill level

dense yoke Oct 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Remember when IS7 had More mobillty? Better ****, mabye then we could've said that Is7 made meds irrelevant.

plucky pumice Oct 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Absolute nightmare

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turbid smelt Oct 21, 2020, 4:20 PM

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why would you engage bias22... at start it appears to be

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 4:21 PM

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@scarlet fjord Did you really just try and insult me by calling me a 55%er? When you are at 56%? The irony there is absolutely beautiful lol maybe your perspective of a high horse is a little skewed 😂

But again like I said, why choose a med over an IS7? For most players mobility isn't really important, and dpm isn't that important if you have bad alpha and armour which requires skill to use. The IS7 is much much more forgiving and pretty much flat out better for the average player to use because they can't abuse the positive characteristics of meds and the hp and armour provide a safety net for their lack of skills. You yourself only have better WR in the T62 out of all tier 10 meds and heavies, and you have almost equal WN8 and lower damage than in your IS7 in the last 90 days... 🤦‍♀️

nocturne mauve Oct 21, 2020, 4:23 PM

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💥

quiet anchor Oct 21, 2020, 4:38 PM

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@JSTN_Rl 🙂

muted rampart Oct 21, 2020, 4:39 PM

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main thing here is "average player" nearly every heavy tank not counting clippers will be better for average player than a medium tank. but is 7 is also uselles in hands of average player. if you show ur lower plate u are rekt. you angle a little bit? you are being penetrated with high possibility of getting ammoracked. if you won t move your turret right you are going to be penned in turret cheeks by everyone using gold shells. your penetration ancd accuaracy are really bad so you are completly uselles while fighting heavly armored heavies at most of scenarios. there are many things that makes is 7 uselles in hands of an average player

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Average players used to perform about equally (probably slightly worse) in meds and heavies, but since the hp buff heavies are dominating even for good players. Your lower plate is bouncy for meds and baits a hell of a lot of shots, you don't get ammoracked as often as everyone makes out, and idk why you think it's very small cheeks are going to be penned by everyone. The standard pen is second best in class, and it's accuracy is bearable. It has a punchy gun, good forward speed and armour that doesn't need any sense to perform fairly well which is all an average player needs. Its the second most played tier 10 and 4th most played tank of all and it's still average in performance stats compared to tier 10 heavies.

Its one of the weaker heavies for sure but that's partially because it acts like a med

cinder sage Oct 21, 2020, 4:47 PM

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"[R1SK] is a friendly and respectable clan" -Clan description
yikes

coarse harness Oct 21, 2020, 4:47 PM

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IS-7 would be one of the first T10 heavies that needs to be buffed if hevies would need a buff

But now let's just wait how will WG mess up the game with the general TD buffs

muted rampart Oct 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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@coarse harness <3700 dpm at tier 6> BALANCE

winged barn Oct 21, 2020, 4:51 PM

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if heavies would need a buff
I like how the is7 (2nd lowest heavy in #devs-answers ) is still one of the top tanks compared to every other class.

Another thing. Why are all the tier 10 heavies also the top with damage?
Tds are damage dealers? Nah.
Dpm meds are damage dealers? Nah.
Block of armor a damage dealer? Yup.

dense walrus Oct 21, 2020, 4:51 PM

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ah yes heavy hp buffs were such a good idea

nocturne mauve Oct 21, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Heavy Hp buffs were the most unneeded change to the game, or when tanks got 1/2/3/4/5 HP nerfs when using the HP equip

coarse harness Oct 21, 2020, 4:58 PM

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More HP 👉🏻 live longer 👉🏻 more dmg

karmic steeple Oct 21, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Idk if they were unneeded but they definitely overdid it a bit....especially with certain tanks

What bad pun man said

dense walrus Oct 21, 2020, 5:02 PM

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"It's just more damage to farm".
well ideally yes, but in the vast majority of cases it just allows brainless heavy drivers a huge margin for error. meds might still be higher ceiling, but the difficulty of driving one well pushes more people to play heavies and keeps the heavy meta churning.

muted rampart Oct 21, 2020, 5:02 PM

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i think heavy hp buffs was needed, but not in actuall state. those buffs were needed but not +500 hp like in maus scenario or 350 in is 7. maybe 100-200 hp buff on t10 would be okay. it wouldn t completly destroy balance like it is now, but it would also decrease a little bit role of medium/light tanks what was main reason of those changes

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Hp buffs for heavies were not a bad idea in principle

What was a bad idea was a very large blanket buff for all heavies, if they had targeted specific tanks with them and made them more moderate then they would have been perfect and the game (tier 9/10 at least) would have been in an extremely good state of balance

scarlet fjord Oct 21, 2020, 5:11 PM

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@distant river idk how ur called a veteren but literally
an IS-7s role
is not the same as a med
meds flank spot and use their DPM as support
and circle heavies
IS-7 is amazing
top tier heavy
go tell a good player
IS-7 replaces meds in pubs they will laugh their faces off at you
btw mr veteren
R1SK members dont have 56% wr 😉

dense yoke Oct 21, 2020, 5:14 PM

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@scarlet fjord Is your ign same as discord ign?

mental pasture Oct 21, 2020, 5:19 PM

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But let's remember that it's not even hard to pen an IS-7, on the same tier you have another heavies and TDs with a monstrous pen on AP (and a bigger pen on prammo)

My main tier 10 is Jagdpanzer E100, ok it's a TD, but I don't remember having problems to pen it even with E5

minor minnow Oct 21, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Can we just talk about how they’re comparing an IS-7 to a medium tank? Obviously most people would pick a medium of the same tier over the IS-7... but the IS-7 has the mobility to work as a medium if need be. It doesn’t have super reliable amor against heavies and it’s “ammorack” might as well be as strong as a water balloon. That’s why playing and supporting mediums is a viable option, even being the factor that wins you the flank

TLDR: @distant river makes a good point and @scarlet fjord is stubborn and not looking at the big picture.

dense yoke Oct 21, 2020, 5:38 PM

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The amount of times i have been ammoracked in IS7 is just 😭

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Mistakes = Ammo rack

IS-7 simply isn't as forgiving ;)

drowsy plaza Oct 21, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Not as a MAUS or IS-4, but it is a SLEW more forgiving than any of the meds in X currently.

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 6:23 PM

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@scarlet fjord Because I have over 25k games and over 50% WR (despite claims from a select few) which are the requirements for being a veteran 🤦‍♀️
IS7 is made for flanking and fire support, which is literally what you just said a meds job is... An IS7 can fulfill roles that a med can't easily, while not being as efficient when trying to be a med. That makes it better for average players. And it seems like you are thinking of a different clan to the R1SK that exists in blitz because the two lowest WRs in that clan are both 56%, one of them being you 🤦‍♀️

@dense yoke Nah it isn't but it's easy to find through screenshots he's posted in the past (mostly crying about teams, who'd have guessed)

fiery dagger Oct 21, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Completely agree with Honourless. Also, the armour of the IS-7 becomes much-much more effective when acting as a med, facing other mediums, considering, most meds have APCR as standard with less normalization than heavy AP, while being also lower profile, thus firing at in general a few degrees sharper angle regarding the frontal pike.

cinder sage Oct 21, 2020, 6:33 PM

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joining a good clan does not mean you can judge other people however you like smh

scarlet fjord Oct 21, 2020, 6:37 PM

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@minor minnow idk what kind of friend he called over
but he said IS-7 makes meds irrelevant
that does not = going med route to support the flank
your being childish follow your argument
i have 1500 games in IS-7
stop crying
and IS-7 doesnt have weak armor vs heavies its armor is more than average
your using it wrong

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Imagine thinking I called anyone over 😂

IS7 is better than any med rn, if you want to play like a med then the IS7 will make up for the average players failings significantly more than a med will emphasise an average players skills. That makes it a much better choice than almost any med, and so choosing a med becomes rather irrelevant

scarlet fjord Oct 21, 2020, 6:50 PM

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ask any top clan member that
and he will literally laugh at you
IS-7s role is amazing
Meds role is completely different it cant replace a med
its physically impossible
specially when russian heavies are blind
I love the IS-7 its my fav tank in the game
its an amazing tank
it counters meds
but it doesnt make them irrelevant
STB-1 62a and 121
are still more than viable because of the DPM spotting mobility armor combo

jagged crescent Oct 21, 2020, 7:12 PM

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It's harder to suck in heavies. Mediums I find are more rewarding the better you are tho.

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2020, 7:21 PM

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#devs-answers

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@distant river just a heads up try not to argue with him since you’ll get nowhere he showed himself to be insanely biased towards the 183 yesterday so as the old saying goes he’ll bring you down to his level

scarlet fjord Oct 21, 2020, 7:35 PM

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nice toxic @unique scaffold

distant river Oct 21, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@unique scaffold I could never have guessed that but he seems to be a talking barrel of irony and it's pretty funny tbh 😂

IS7 can work as a med, whether you think it can or not. I play it exactly like a med just more aware of my rotation and the stats I get don't lie.

The plain facts of the IS7s speed, armour and gun combo mean it's better than meds at being meds for average players

hot valve Oct 21, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@unique scaffold i was there you were being like a kid
all you did was complain and never give actual facts like the guy did
@distant river and bro stop crying
you wont get in any solid clans if u call meds useless because of 1 heavy

scarlet fjord Oct 21, 2020, 7:58 PM

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@hot valve relax
its obvious they are stubborn
let them think what they want to think
if you think meds are irrelevant
then you seriously need to work on yourself
i get your idea
but i give up

coarse harness Oct 21, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Which side should I choose ?😰

karmic steeple Oct 21, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Ooga booga ooga

round bluff Oct 21, 2020, 8:12 PM

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do they pay you by the hour for writing essays here

fiery dagger Oct 21, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I kind of see where both of your points are coming from, and you both have good points which doesn't even exclude each other. It's just the style in which Harbinger is writing that makes me want to get a knife.

hardy hazel Oct 21, 2020, 8:25 PM

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if you want one i can sell you one for 5 usd

cinder sage Oct 21, 2020, 8:25 PM

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same here. The IS7 and the mediums are different, and a 1v1 is hard to predict the outcome. The IS7 has armour, but the camo and dpm of the mediums could make the difference in the hands of a good player. Overall, both of them make good points, its just that its too different to be compared. Just Harbinger's attitude is ehhh

dense yoke Oct 21, 2020, 8:36 PM

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@dense yoke Nah it isn't but it's easy to find through screenshots he's posted in the past (mostly crying about teams, who'd have guessed)
@distant river what

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2020, 8:50 PM

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bruh nerf smasher xDD : aiming time and accuracy at least

nocturne mauve Oct 21, 2020, 8:52 PM

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No don’t

grand jackal Oct 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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"Balance discussion"
I don't see any sense in those 2 words together, especially when talking about WoT

autumn zodiac Oct 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Thank you for your contribution

dusky bay Oct 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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one time more... im thinking VK90 should get nerf
@frosty oriole hell no, his armor isn't, if you do face to face IS4 vs VK90, is4 wouldnt do anything

frosty oriole Oct 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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why, it seems fairly balanced to me
really? im fairly certain the is-4 can pen its cheeks, lowerplate, or just circle it with its superior mobility

karmic steeple Oct 21, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Because it is

pseudo pebble Oct 21, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Buffkv1snow

minor minnow Oct 21, 2020, 9:48 PM

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why, it seems fairly balanced to me
really? im fairly certain the is-4 can pen its cheeks, lowerplate, or just circle it with its superior mobility
@frosty oriole @dusky bay it’s recently gotten a Lower plate buff, and Premium can pen cheeks. Overall I think the Vk 90 is a lot more balanced than some tanks

gleaming apexBOT Oct 21, 2020, 9:50 PM

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dynoSuccess Ungabunga34#4072 has been warned.

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dynoSuccess Chlepek#6424 has been warned.

pseudo pebble Oct 21, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Lol

drowsy idol Oct 21, 2020, 10:02 PM

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keep in mind is 4 has 374 heat pen which is enough to pen vk 90s front

mental pasture Oct 21, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Actually it's 340mm HEAT, but you really use CS on a frontline tank? Really? Reload is vital for you

frosty oriole Oct 21, 2020, 10:09 PM

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its highly viable due to the insane amount of heat pen, half a second is often not THAT important

minor minnow Oct 21, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Would you rather pen more shots or fire more shots? Simple as that. Either are viable but shooting more doesn’t mean anything if 25% of those shots dont pen

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Well having more pen doesn't matter if it's already overkill ._.

Just like using CS on a bad pen tank won't do it much good because the % increase won't be so effective

mental pasture Oct 21, 2020, 11:07 PM

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^

solemn hedge Oct 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

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penning shots > not penning shots

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Penning shots = penning shots because you already could pen it in the first place

mental pasture Oct 21, 2020, 11:52 PM

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CS addicts looks the type of player that use Improved optics on E25

Calibrated Shells is good, but on other tanks, Gun Rammed is much better

orchid grove Oct 21, 2020, 11:54 PM

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@solemn hedge Remember though, that CS is only effective in scenarios where you pen a shot with CS that would have otherwise bounced with rammer. And in practice, the number of times that happens is pretty close to 0

@minor minnow Not as useful as rammer. Go ahead, play a game, and you'll find that most games you play, you'll frequently have a scenario where someone manages to get safe behind cover, or back off behind a ridge just a second before you have a shell loaded in.

Those are entire extra shots that would have gotten you ~2 extra shots per game with rammer that you miss out on because you run calibrated. And these scenarios are far more common than scenarios where a shell pens with cali that would have bounced with rammer

minor minnow Oct 21, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Still pretty useful to have, though.

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2020, 11:57 PM

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His point was that it wouldn't effect the outcome that much, the "usefulness" is rather dependent upon those situations that Posit1ve described

tender bison Oct 22, 2020, 12:02 AM

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just switch to prammo

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Add volumetric shells

hardy hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Well if you can do the magic thing with cs or ramer, thats it, sure its more efective run one over the other in some tanks, but that is up to the owner of the tank and what he/she need

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 12:34 AM

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I like my CS on my 268

noble quail Oct 22, 2020, 12:37 AM

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I use CS in my SU-152 for more pen on HE

mental pasture Oct 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

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I use GR on Jagdpanzer E100, because of the DPM advantage against other TDs

tender bison Oct 22, 2020, 12:44 AM

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use CS on tanks with premium HESH like charioteer and FV4202. using CS on the 4202 makes it's HESH pen 230+

clear fulcrum Oct 22, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Panzer 58 either needs more turret armor and dpm or more speed and dpm. As it is right now its terrible.

or better yet remove those hatches on top of the tank.

mental pasture Oct 22, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Relax, you don't need remove that hatches to make the turret good, cuz it'll still paper

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Not every tank has to have good armor, look at the M4 Rev

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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They should give the REV a tougher turret ngl.

turbid smelt Oct 22, 2020, 2:15 AM

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and nerf mobility and dpm

crystal spoke Oct 22, 2020, 2:15 AM

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It really doesn't need it the alpha buff was nice and all it needed

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 2:32 AM

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I found Smoothbrain#2

regal grove Oct 22, 2020, 2:53 AM

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medium pramo cannot pen E100 cheeks without Cali

hardy hazel Oct 22, 2020, 2:55 AM

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i can confirm that

flat bane Oct 22, 2020, 3:06 AM

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I use CS on tanks with high HE,HEP, or HESH pen.

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Any plans to buff the hatch in the Chieftain/T95 again?

tender bison Oct 22, 2020, 3:12 AM

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and nerf mobility and dpm
@turbid smelt the rev is already the second best dpm medium tank in tier 8, dont need a dpm buff

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 3:13 AM

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im just waiting for 7.4 patchnotes
@tender bison btw he wasnt asking to buff the dpm

safe rapids Oct 22, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Yea Blitzhangar should have them already but for some reason not

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Jg88 with 350 alpha +235 pen is gonna be amazing
im gonna spam that tank HARD

mental pasture Oct 22, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Maybe this tank will finally get popular after those buffs

full token Oct 22, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Too popular maybe

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 4:10 AM

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if it gets 350 alpha and 235 pen i might restore it

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Oh the jg88's an underrated tank imo. 3k dpm at t8 is no joke and the armor profile works enough to hold chokepoints and burn

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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the tank sucks, the armor sucks, its 150mm/120mm on the front(if i remember), honestly, they should just buff the armor profile to tier 9 jagd and it will be fine, u dont even ahve to buff the gun

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 5:13 AM

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oh you really are Egirl. Because those numbers are easily the dumbest things i've heard in a while

dense walrus Oct 22, 2020, 5:14 AM

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the return of the king

spark gorge Oct 22, 2020, 5:31 AM

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the armor aint bad if you hide that bottom plate, upper plate is sloped and the top part is 250mm

crystal spoke Oct 22, 2020, 6:15 AM

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The armour is fine on the jagd 8.8 I use the 10,5 cm and I have no problems front lining in it

indigo knot Oct 22, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Jag8.8 will be more competitive after this buff

crystal spoke Oct 22, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Wait what buff?

coarse harness Oct 22, 2020, 7:16 AM

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AT 15A with 200 alpha (3400 dpm) will be nasty too
Finally some advantage over the Black Prince

fiery dagger Oct 22, 2020, 7:34 AM

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AT-15, 4000 DPM😏

full token Oct 22, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Wow, tier 7 tanks getting 3k dpm now

muted rampart Oct 22, 2020, 10:06 AM

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@full token and tier 6 getting 3700 xD

low needle Oct 22, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I need cupola buff on my chieftain ffs

coarse harness Oct 22, 2020, 10:33 AM

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If you can't use it a cupola buff won't help

turbid smelt Oct 22, 2020, 11:09 AM

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@turbid smelt the rev is already the second best dpm medium tank in tier 8, dont need a dpm buff
@tender bison yea, I proposed it as balance for if they buff turrent

vapid aspen Oct 22, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Mad games

tender bison Oct 22, 2020, 11:16 AM

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@tender bison yea, I proposed it as balance for if they buff turrent
@turbid smelt ohh right, then yeah ofc, its gun mantlet is like the only place where it can possibly bounce, with that dpm at tier and a strong turret with good mobility, it would need to happen

coarse harness Oct 22, 2020, 11:17 AM

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He probably means the chieftain T95, but if he meant chieftain mk. 6 he just can t Play it
I also meant Chief T95

spark gorge Oct 22, 2020, 12:44 PM

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yeah the chieftain t95 definitely needs it’s giant “hatch” buffed or at least made smaller. kinda hard to hull down and use its turret armor with that giant weak spot. honestly, it doesn’t even need it considering it’s hull isn’t that strong

coarse harness Oct 22, 2020, 1:18 PM

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It has one of the best guns and mobility among T8 hevies
You could pen the hatch with 122mm+ HE back then but they buffed it
I'm pretty sure they won't buff it again and it doesn't need it at all

40km/h forward 20 backwards
Best T8 heavy effective p/w ratio
All you have to do is find a ridgeline turn slightly sideways and go back and forth

civic topaz Oct 22, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Mobility? Meh

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 1:20 PM

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The mobility is sub par imo, but the speed boost is definitely helpful

fervent sigil Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Sheridan needs some of its previous mobility back. its way to slow accelerating now and it still wouldnt be that op. misses are kinda trash now... ngl i hardly use them. i run out of apcr before i use 5 missles. i load 19 apcr 15 heat and 6 he

turbid smelt Oct 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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it has massive damage per shot for a light tank and missiles
it doesn't need any buff in mobility department

dense walrus Oct 22, 2020, 1:57 PM

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If you’re running out of APCR and don’t use missles, then load less missles.

drowsy idol Oct 22, 2020, 3:04 PM

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sheridan got mobility nerf like twice and only bat chat is faster so its good for now

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Sheri only got nerfed in mobility once
It's still razor quick

hearty steeple Oct 22, 2020, 3:36 PM

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It is just ever so slightly slower than batchat and is the third fastest in the tier. I miss the old mobility but it isn't a tog after the nerf

winged barn Oct 22, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Ah, the mobility is bad now?

It had better acceleration than a Dracula before the nerf. It needed a nerf to it's mobility. It still needs the missiles removed.

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 4:56 PM

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its fair tbh, i dont even have sheridan, but it aint op. If u REALLy want to nerf. then nerf the heat. @unique scaffold nerf it to 310, even 280, 340 is still good pen

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:02 PM

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...it got nerfed from 370 to 340...

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 5:04 PM

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It’s slightly above medium HEAT pen

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 5:07 PM

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it should have trash heat pen

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Then ATGM’s would be utterly useless if they couldn’t pen anything

cinder sage Oct 22, 2020, 5:34 PM

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other than donking meds without getting shot in return

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 5:36 PM

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so useless is better than good, just buff the alpha for APCR to 600 and reduce heat pen.

fiery dagger Oct 22, 2020, 5:45 PM

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No alpha buff for that little pest. Are you out of your mind?

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:49 PM

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This is egirl they left for having radically wacky ideas

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 5:59 PM

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bro i legit said nerf heat pen, what do u want??? like what... reducing mobility im fine with but its legit a light tank

hardy hazel Oct 22, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Yep, this looks like egirl

spark gorge Oct 22, 2020, 6:21 PM

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yeah that alpha definitely doesn’t need a buff lol

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Egirl confirmed???

nimble zodiac Oct 22, 2020, 6:57 PM

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A appreciate the fact that we have some inside joke. I think Sheridan is fine

I think it has a bug or two, they forgot to multiply every number in their text by 10

regal grove Oct 22, 2020, 7:01 PM

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egirl update 1.1 is now green instead of blue

sour comet Oct 22, 2020, 7:53 PM

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All death star need a speed boost

hidden fox Oct 22, 2020, 7:56 PM

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no. Just no.

nimble zodiac Oct 22, 2020, 8:04 PM

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It needs nothing, or worse, removal

muted rampart Oct 22, 2020, 8:38 PM

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It needs removal from tech tree, but still it also need some buff. 183 isn t dangerous at all if you are skilled enough to avoid being shot by it

orchid grove Oct 22, 2020, 8:39 PM

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It just needs like a negative credit coefficient or something so you lose like 100k credits every time you take it out of the garage so people will stop spamming it

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Why the hell would anybody do that

muted rampart Oct 22, 2020, 8:53 PM

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@orchid grove maybe just make that it can be at most 1 183 per team and if one team Has 183 the other one also need to have it. People will have to wait longer to go into battle so a part of them will play it less and it won t be destructive for the game even after the buff, of course it still needs tech tree removal

orchid grove Oct 22, 2020, 8:54 PM

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@muted rampart That's not really enough of a limitation, because most games there aren't more than 1 183 per team anyway. The problem is that you see at least 1 literally every game, and they're always played by some derp addict with like 2k battles in the thing

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@muted rampart I'm not saying it's hard or difficult to deal with, after all, it is the worst tank in tier 10, but it's just annoying that people spam it all the time.

It's annoying having one on your team because that's basically like playing a tank down, and it's annoying having one on the enemy team because you'll have to take the time to deal with it at some point, especially since all 183 drivers are toxic derp addicts who don't really care about anything except just hitting a HESH pen.

I' be fine with a small buff, I just want people to stop spamming it all the time, preferably by nuking the credit coefficient to make it prohibitively expensive to run regularly, so that people can only play it every now and then for fun

distant river Oct 22, 2020, 9:06 PM

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If you have to suggest adding a specific MM rule for one tank something is very very wrong with the tank and you need to do something about it...

twilit crystal Oct 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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2 183s are toxic @muted rampart @orchid grove because they have a 50% chance of being your team for the 2 most useless tanks in the game

orchid grove Oct 22, 2020, 9:17 PM

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@muted rampart No need to invent new MM rules or timer mechanics for them when you have a perfectly good mechanic to use in the form of credit coefficient. If people lose like 50k-100k credits each time they take it out of the garage, they'll naturally stop spamming them

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 9:21 PM

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What’s the issue with t49 though

hardy hazel Oct 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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WG can also set a timer for all T10/non tech tree troll guns so you can Play only 1 battle per 10 minutes or something. I m making those solutions without bigger thinking about it, but WG definetly can find some universal Solution that will solve problem with all troll guns at once without changing their characteristics
@muted rampart well you see, they will add the "+" in the survival slot in the equipment tab like in tier 6 tanks and call it a day lol

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Your concept of a TD gun is weird then since t49 has atrocious penetration for its HEAT shell and lower alpha than the others not to mention the bad accuracy values and lower alpha HE the speed and big gun combo is not a problem since the accuracy becomes really bad at full speed and you have to remember t49 must face heavies with 150+ protection all around and even heat resistant armor t49 isn’t even as toxic anymore anyways too there shouldn’t be a reason why it shouldn’t exist considering it did and is nowhere near as toxic as Sheridan or t92

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twilit crystal Oct 22, 2020, 9:44 PM

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t49 is a toxic tank too lol, its spammed way too much and is super broken although not OP, so the only way to fix it is either nerf it further which kinda sucks coz when you face a game with like 4 IS tanks on the enemy team you can't do jack already or make it more expesnive to run

orchid grove Oct 22, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Just make it so the HEAT is also a premium shell like the HE so that it has no standard ammo. And also nerf the credit coefficient

rare sleet Oct 22, 2020, 9:48 PM

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ik how to make 183 better, make it do even more damage per shot aha. give the 183 1600 dmg HESH shots and it'll be devastating

karmic steeple Oct 22, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I mean the t49 is not good with the derp gun. With the derp gun it only has two positive factors and that is speed and alpha. While it’s workable for better players, the accuracy and penetration still screw you over way more than you will actually land giant derp shots

hardy hazel Oct 22, 2020, 9:51 PM

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or lower its alpha and buff a little the pen, t92 have less alpha in its HE shell than t49, also it will work fine for KV 2

It cant but it can be less stupid if you ask me, having less alpha will do the work for the tank and every other tank based on it (if you know what i mean)

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Kv2 cannot be balanced

nimble zodiac Oct 22, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Sad thing is, KV-2 is worse than 183, able to one shot most common adversaries

austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 10:00 PM

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u buff the pen and lower alpha then it becomes another regular light tank. Then whats the point of running it when u got vickers light. Sheridan is for big gun and big mobility. Not another copycat. @orchid grove they spam them because its fun, u watch tourneys and its all IS-4s, derp tanks are just fun to play

hardy hazel Oct 22, 2020, 10:02 PM

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buff egirl 2, it needs buff

sour comet Oct 22, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Deathstar fine since it does not miss a lot shots need speed buff lol

orchid grove Oct 22, 2020, 10:02 PM

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The problem with derp tanks isn’t really that they’re over or underpowered, it’s that people spam them, and it’s obnoxious

karmic steeple Oct 22, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I think certain ones are fine, mostly the tds. What’s so bad about the 183 is just how high it can roll. I can agree that random pubbies rolling around in smashers and kv2s and stuff like that just shooting you for high damage is super annoying

pulsar dune Oct 22, 2020, 10:09 PM

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hey um if i use my old walmart gift card to make it a gold gift card will it work for blitz not just pc version?

karmic portal Oct 22, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Can they please and pc auto-aim to Mobile. I’d like to be able to shoot a tank behind me when driving away

sinful leaf Oct 22, 2020, 10:10 PM

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What is wrong with T49? It's expensive enough as is to use HE shells on the tank, it's very difficult to make credits without a premium account if you choose to use HE on T49. And I don't exactly get the T49 spam. In the current tier 8 meta and when playing I don't consistently see a T49 on one team or another almost every game.
In my opinion at tier 8 I don't see any reason why literally thousands of players would be using the tank simultaneously, as there are many better tanks. Now KV-2 is a different story. That can one shot anything at tier 6 with an HE penetration.
Edit: Why "balance" something by making it unaffordable to use for any more than a few battles per day by making it cost you 50k+ credits per game regardless of the outcome? This is like using repair cost in war thunder to balance something instead of nerfing/moving it to a different tier.

regal grove Oct 22, 2020, 10:20 PM

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imagine thinking that T49 is broken in a t8 heavy meta

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 10:21 PM

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It’s not and people “spam” it because it’s fun to play

dire cradle Oct 22, 2020, 11:10 PM

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I keep seeing comments re wg nerfing the Smasher on some posts. I thought wg didn’t nerf premiums, just Collector and Tech Tree tanks?

crystal spoke Oct 22, 2020, 11:11 PM

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The smasher is a collector and they've nerfed premis in the past

minor minnow Oct 22, 2020, 11:12 PM

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They’ve nerfed prems but not like they nerf TT tanks

rare sleet Oct 22, 2020, 11:17 PM

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they've definitely nerfed premiums in the past like type 59

crystal spoke Oct 22, 2020, 11:29 PM

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And the ram

jagged crescent Oct 22, 2020, 11:30 PM

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400 alpha has better dispersion than the 310

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austere citrus Oct 22, 2020, 11:56 PM

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its actually 310 and yes, the gun on t32 should get a lazer gun like emil 1

jagged crescent Oct 23, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Ok egirl

orchid grove Oct 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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@jagged crescent Yeah, but the gun handling and aim time are worse, so it doesn't snap as well as a T32 does, and the turret is also a lot weaker

jagged crescent Oct 23, 2020, 1:32 AM

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least the t34 can pen

why use gold/extra credits for an average of 260 alpha when you can 400 alpha for less

mental pasture Oct 23, 2020, 1:39 AM

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APCR exists for a reason @jagged crescent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

260 alpha > 0 alpha

Also, You can only do 400 if you get the T34 (lootbox/money)

nimble zodiac Oct 23, 2020, 2:07 AM

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lootbox = free, thanks for the Lowe game

eager shadow Oct 23, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Stats for tier 9-10 battles only?

Add all crate tanks as tech tree tanks? And all tech tree tanks as crate tanks?

sinful leaf Oct 23, 2020, 2:28 AM

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@eager shadow if you're trying to get people to respond, maybe posting blatantly bad ideas for the game isn't the best idea because it will just be ignored.

atomic summit Oct 23, 2020, 3:11 AM

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@eager shadow if you're trying to get people to respond, maybe posting blatantly bad ideas for the game isn't the best idea because it will just be ignored.
@sinful leaf
Yeah.. its bad making them TT tanks, because people already have them as collector. Atleast WG could have done it.

safe rapids Oct 23, 2020, 3:30 AM

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The S. Conq, Badger, 111 5A, M4 54, etc. should be put in the tech trees (the m4 54 with its respective line) and players would receive a tank such as the 121B or other tier X prem as compensation.Or they could be given a new tier x premium such as the Obj. 260 or whatever.

tender nexus Oct 23, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I think anhialator either needs a nerf or needs to be higher tier, like tier 9 or 8

nimble zodiac Oct 23, 2020, 3:33 AM

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It’s not a big threat to me, especially considering tier 9. At least offer buffs for a tier change

hardy hazel Oct 23, 2020, 3:33 AM

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The S. Conq, Badger, 111 5A, M4 54, etc. should be put in the tech trees (the m4 54 with its respective line) and players would receive a tank such as the 121B or other tier X prem as compensation.
@safe rapids you get a trash tier 10 for +50 usd? i like that

i mean they could do that, but they messed every chance of doing that because they put those tanks on crates instead of a fixed price, if that was the case they could just switch tier X premiums/collectables to tech tree tanks and compensate it with gold or something

unique scaffold Oct 23, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Buff amx cdc atleast give it better reload time

sinful leaf Oct 23, 2020, 3:41 AM

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They would have to compensate it with an Object 260, further heaping the potential problem of broken collector tier 10 tanks.

nimble zodiac Oct 23, 2020, 3:46 AM

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AMX CDC is fine, it has a powerful gun with great mobility ^^

hardy hazel Oct 23, 2020, 3:48 AM

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mmm Object 260 seems like a big no if you ask me

cdc could do with a dpm buff, rw there is no real reason to play that tank unless you like getting HEed

rare sleet Oct 23, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Buff 183 also let’s add T-64 tank. It’s the tank combat version of the T-62 tank. Practically a heavy T-62a

safe rapids Oct 23, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I'm not saying it has to be the Obj 260, I'm just giving ideas

mental pasture Oct 23, 2020, 4:25 AM

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@unique scaffold bro, if you don't like CDC the way it is, then FCM 50T may give you PTSD

unique scaffold Oct 23, 2020, 4:27 AM

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@unique scaffold bro, if you don't like CDC the way it is, then FCM 50T may give you PTSD
@mental pasture The reload is to long for the amount of damage

sinful leaf Oct 23, 2020, 4:32 AM

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P.44 literally powercrept FCM ages ago lmao

mental pasture Oct 23, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Have you seen other tier 8 mediums with 80-90mm guns before? They usually work with longer reloads and worse precisions ~~sometimes even worse pen too~~

That's literraly the best medium 90mm gun on tier 8 in terms of DPM (only T95E2 have a similar reload and T-44 with stock gun, which have a faster gun but 144mm of penetration on AP

CDC gun is fine. No buts.

warped anchor Oct 23, 2020, 6:02 AM

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.14 gun dispersion when turning the turret and on the move is acceptable to you in a paper medium?(vstabs)

dense yoke Oct 23, 2020, 6:47 AM

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The thing is about the fv183/jge100 is that it kinda balances heavies hp. Imagine having 2500 hp and losing 1000 hp. That kinda hurts.

unique scaffold Oct 23, 2020, 6:48 AM

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It hurts for both sides because now that 183 is reloading and spotted and will either die or lose half his health

dense yoke Oct 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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yes

eager shadow Oct 23, 2020, 7:41 AM

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Adding skirms to random battles brings diversity to the different types of games. Also allowing new players to learn maps. Stats for tiers 9-10 isnt necessarily a bad idea because most good clans use tier 10 stats for clan recruitment. This is to give time for newer players to learn the game from 9-10 without being abused for just starting the game.

Tech Tree tanks to crate tanks is for wg to have a reason to add crate tanks to tech tree

muted rampart Oct 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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i think swaping badger with 183, vk 72 with vk 90 and fv 215b with s conq is nice idea, WG should conpensate all of the tanks they put in tech tree giving every player that had collectible, but didn t have tech tree one, the tech tree one for free, but if somebody had both tanks just conpensate it with gold. if somebody had tech tree, but not collectible, leave it on his account as a collectible, but he need to grind the new tech tree tank again by plaing on tier 9

mental pasture Oct 23, 2020, 11:54 AM

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I would agree 100% on you but there's something there that I think it's not fair

Let's imagine that you paid 20k gold for Vk 90 (and you don't have Vk72), then 1 year later it becomes a tech tree tank. Then all your gold got on trash bin since you could have just waited to get it without pay a peny, right?

I really think that those tanks should get swapped, but;

Tanks that will become collector should be sold for gold as like every other collector, even if this price on gold is almost 10x lower than thhe price of a premium (exemple from 5.5 tier five that costs 250 gold X KV-220 T that costs 2.500 gold)
Collector tanks that will become tech tree should give the full compensation in gold of the price of the tank (Exemple from Vk 90, it's sell price is 7.500 but cost exactly 20.000 on shop)
@muted rampart

Edit: Why would you change the full price of your collector (20.000 gold in Vk 90 exemple) for a Vk 72, which is pretty inferior? That doesn't make sense
Also this choice can give confusion, and is pretty senseless

dense yoke Oct 23, 2020, 12:19 PM

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i think swaping badger with 183, vk 72 with vk 90 and fv 215b with s conq is nice idea, WG should conpensate all of the tanks they put in tech tree giving every player that had collectible, but didn t have tech tree one, the tech tree one for free, but if somebody had both tanks just conpensate it with gold. if somebody had tech tree, but not collectible, leave it on his account as a collectible, but he need to grind the new tech tree tank again by plaing on tier 9
@muted rampart Gib Super tortoise, buff vk72. Also I do not think think they replace badger with 183. Same goes for vk72/90, 215b/Supconq.

muted rampart Oct 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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@dense yoke i also don t think they do, but it s definetly really good idea

minor minnow Oct 23, 2020, 12:23 PM

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The Badger is the natural progression from the tortoise

mental pasture Oct 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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Yeah @minor minnow

Badger: Slow and heavy, with a great frontal armor. DPM fast gun with a common average damage, but gets a fast shooting with a good precision.

Tortoise: Slow and heavy, supposed to have a good frontal armor, but it doesn't work. DPM fast gun with a common average damage, but gets a fast shooting with a good precision.

Fv215b 183: No armor, no speed, no concealment, no DPM gun. Only 930 per AP and 1300 HESH and turret

The only thing that FV215b 183 share with the rest of the line is the slowness

teal palm Oct 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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It’s extremely weird and annoying because since the badger is not techtree here, we will never see a needed replacement for 183
Maybe, but WG has had the badger on sale a few times, and I think it just went up again

muted rampart Oct 23, 2020, 12:34 PM

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@teal palm those tanks still can be swaped in their role badger go to tech tree and 183 go to collectible and never f**in come back.

mental pasture Oct 23, 2020, 12:40 PM

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183 is a full meme tank, even if some day WG decides "Badger will become tech tree and 183 will be gone, LMAO", they'll sell this someday tho

As like there's people who buys ISU-130 even if ISU-152 is clearly better, then there will be people who would buy 183 if it appears on shop