#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 166

autumn zodiac Sep 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I'd say some need to be straight up reversed, IS-4, T110E5 since it has the option to increase health via Provisions, and T95E6. E 100 and Maus could use a slight reduction, but the others are fine as is.

turbid smelt Sep 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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yeah e5 and is4 need bit reduction

@lux idk mate I always thought dpm tanks are meant to use their dpm potential when they aren't trading hp for it
as generally they don't have armour or hit points (even in old days) to last long while always hit point trading to do damage

fossil spruce Sep 30, 2020, 3:30 PM

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NERF vicker turret!!

lucid plover Sep 30, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I'd say the ISU-152 doesnt need a nerf at all tbh, not even with the BL-10. The gun is basically all it has going for it, everything else is bad about it..if its flanked, its over for the ISU. It has the lowest hitpoint pool at tier 8, and (I think?) is the only tank at that tier that can get oneshot without needing an ammorack

fossil spruce Sep 30, 2020, 4:12 PM

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and add more atgm please. Game still alive so atgm number need to be increased

mental pasture Sep 30, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Actually only ISU-152 players know that ISU is balanced, a very good tank, but balanced

The armor may be troll, but it's only troll if you keep "yoloing" and use auto aim frontally (Also, the mantlet is overrated, with 250mm pen you can get all of it)

It got the same agility and speed of a heavy tank, so you can circle it with a medium or a light (mostly because ISU don't have turret)

ISU-152 also have some other general disvantages, like low HP, no turret, simple ammo rack positions (sides of the bottom part of the casemate), concealment numbers are quite low, gun depression, etc

People should understand that the only thing that makes ISU-152 at least a decent tank is the cannon. Instead of complain about other tanks, the problem may be you instead of the tank's problem

Same speed of a heavium and quite low concealment = strong suit?

turbid smelt Sep 30, 2020, 4:16 PM

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concealment, speed and gun are strong suits of isu

definitely fine balanced tonk

lucid plover Sep 30, 2020, 4:19 PM

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ISU's concealment is meh unless your using a bush. If it's set up in certain maps/positions it's a real menace, but its always been very vulnerable to being flanked, especially by meds or heavies that it can't just delete with HE..its forward mobility is alright but its traverse and reverse speed is bad

nocturne mauve Sep 30, 2020, 4:20 PM

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It reverses pretty slow

unique scaffold Sep 30, 2020, 4:21 PM

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When are the new tanks coming?

full token Sep 30, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Early October

mental pasture Sep 30, 2020, 4:26 PM

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@turbid smelt same speed of a heavium, bad mobility overall and enough concealment to don't give problems to anyone with at least 250m view range, pretty easy to get out of the gun sight (since it's only -8/8 degrees of transverse), etc

Yes, it's balanced

Yeah that's a great pen, but at long distances hit your target will be a challange

DPM is very good, so what? It's a TD

turbid smelt Sep 30, 2020, 4:27 PM

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yea
most players struggle in placing isu
and end up always turning and reducing their camo or increasing reticle

i prefer borsig tho
just cause it has turrent

well isu has so much penetration
that you just need to hit your target and dpm is very good

reload on isu makes it bit more fun than borsig

lucid plover Sep 30, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Not to mention that while the BL-10 is a heck of alot more accurate than the other 152 the ISU can mount, it's still a little derpy

nocturne mauve Sep 30, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Bl 10 isn’t accurate

mental pasture Sep 30, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Precision isn't a good point from ISU @lucid plover

lucid plover Sep 30, 2020, 4:39 PM

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ik ik, thats what im saying..its still better than the SU-152's acc, but its still a derp

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 4:43 PM

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ISU 152 is balanced, I have it maxed and it isn't even that good. It's a meh tank, not bad but not amazing, I would say a 'good tank'. Jagdtiger is OP though

pseudo hedge Sep 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

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ISU 152 is balanced, I have it maxed and it isn't even that good. It's a meh tank, not bad but not amazing, I would say a 'good tank'. Jagdtiger is OP though
@austere citrus jagdtiger is fine as it is. Let us germans the one good tank in our tech tree (exept tiger 2)

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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@pseudo hedge i dont want jagdtiger to be nerfed either, it is a super good tank though

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Jagtiger is literally impenetrable to tier 10 med prammo with the second best dpm in the game, German gun handling and 460 alpha

It was great before the armour buff, now it's just stupid. Nerf it back to what it was and it's still a great tank

nocturne mauve Sep 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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It proves wg overbuff just about anything

pseudo hedge Sep 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Yes I love it to. Much better the JagdE100> It proves wg overbuff just about anything
@nocturne mauve shhhhh shhhhh dont talk about it. I wanna keep it to counter OP russian tanks. Germany wants some bias too

remote oriole Sep 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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@turbid smelt You are better off using your dpm without trading but actually being able to win a dpm fight gives you so many more opportunities to be active because you can actually contest and take a position while if you can’t win a 1 vs 1 with dpm you are stuck to second line activities as a supporter and very confined in your movement

unique scaffold Sep 30, 2020, 6:18 PM

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I wonder if they will ever buff FCM 50 T since the tank doesn't have anything special going for it dpm isn't that good, the speed is nice, penetration struggles a bit against higher tiers, the speed is good and the armor is kinda garbage all in all its pretty much a worse panther II

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I don't have it but that tank is pretty sad, maybe just Open engine like CDC but even more buffed than a cdc?

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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shhhhh shhhhh dont talk about it. I wanna keep it to counter OP russian tanks. Germany wants some bias too
@pseudo hedge Welcome to the class about why WG don't listen to the community that much. Today we will be talking about people who have no clue about what should be done balance wise, but still happily voice their opinions and expect to be listened to...

pseudo hedge Sep 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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So voicing my opinion is wrong? 😕 The Jagdtiger is neither a problem in the matchmaker nor too OP. It's fine as it is it's just a little better then other. You're just searching for the flaw in every last bit.

@Seek_And_Destroy_TTT though I have to disagree with the Jagdtiger beeing inferior to the 122-54. I'd say it's on paar with T30. So I guess the T30 needs a nerf now 😂😂😂

sudden granite Sep 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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So voicing my opinion is wrong? 😕 The Jagdtiger is neither a problem in the matchmaker nor too OP. It's fine as it is it's just a little better then other. You're just searching for the flaw in every last bit.
@pseudo hedge not even better than other, su12254 and t30 slap the mcsh*t out of it

lunar niche Sep 30, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Hold on, since when did Jagdtiger become impenetrable to tier 10 med prammo?

queen elbow Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

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^ side-scraping is already pretty futile in Jg unless you are in position first

compact nymph Sep 30, 2020, 7:50 PM

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It’s easy to penetrate with t10 meds’ prammo. Shoot the casemate, can even ammo rack it from the front

unique scaffold Sep 30, 2020, 7:50 PM

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The lower plate on the jagdtiger is about 180mm so idk how come is it impenetrable by t10 med prammo lol

ruby monolith Sep 30, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Increase bat chat clip reload by 1-1.5 seconds and decrease the shell reload time to 2.5 seconds? Good or nah, why play bc when there is the progetto...

muted rampart Sep 30, 2020, 8:08 PM

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@ruby monolith because progetto is slow compared to bc and it s dpm is bad

raven dawn Sep 30, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Buf is8 side to 120mm its weaker than other t8 russian sides as of now
Is3 is a little stronger
Is5 is similar but thicker
Is2sh is rear mounted turret
Maybe buff the frontal hull by 10mm

nimble zodiac Sep 30, 2020, 8:52 PM

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IS-8 is a heavium so, the best thing would probably make the turret at least as strong as T-54's

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 9:00 PM

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So voicing my opinion is wrong? 😕 The Jagdtiger is neither a problem in the matchmaker nor too OP. It's fine as it is it's just a little better then other. You're just searching for the flaw in every last bit.

@Seek_And_Destroy_TTT though I have to disagree with the Jagdtiger beeing inferior to the 122-54. I'd say it's on paar with T30. So I guess the T30 needs a nerf now 😂😂😂
@pseudo hedge The jagtiger is far superior to the 122 54 and just better than the T30. Its literally impenetrable to tier 9 prammo when you hide the small lower plate, and also impenetrable to tier 10 med prammo. Couple this with one of the best guns in the game and 38kmph top speed and it's literally broken.

karmic portal Sep 30, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Give it 6-7 degrees of gun depression and a slightly better turret and I think that’s good enough. If you really want buff the hull armor but that’s not really needed

lunar niche Sep 30, 2020, 9:04 PM

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@distant river The superstructure is only 265mm effective while using full gun depression. How is that impenetrable to tier 10 meds pramo?

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Have you seen the size of the mantlet on that thing? The 270 plates take up a tiny space, and it's extremely easy to rock up a hill or turn more to increase that to be well over 300mm on your reload

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 9:21 PM

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@distant river T30 is also strong with the high pen and 640 alpha if u can get into a hull down position, a tank is good if u play it right, if u get a jagdtiger and sit there, ur gonna get evaporated @dense yoke T22 if you can abuse the side armor, IS-4(Good, not OP), 263 is good in right position

lunar niche Sep 30, 2020, 9:22 PM

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The plates are anything but tiny. Sure you can bounce here and there while rocking or turning but most of the time, pramo will go clean through.

Same old weakspot except now the UFP cannot be penned by meds while hulldown.

nocturne mauve Sep 30, 2020, 9:23 PM

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WG overbuff anything for no reason

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 9:30 PM

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T30 has the same effective checks as the jagtiger, except they only get weaker (as well as the nice cupola and turret roof as well). Jagtiger has the same pen (better prammo pen), 460 alpha which still hurts, better accuracy and over 1300 more dpm. They have roughly the same mobility. The T30 gets a turret and a hull that's paper. The T30 is by no means a bad tank, the jagtiger is just better.

@lunar niche The side plates take up slightly more area than the Vickers light while having a larger mantlet and the cheeks are also pretty damn strong too. You can bounce pretty much anything at an equal tier and lots from tier 10s as well, tier 8s have no chance. Add to that the gun and it's almost unstoppable.

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 9:31 PM

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@distant river T30 has a turret as well as better alpha more gun depression as well. You can easily pen the cheeks of a jagdtiger if your good at the game, even using pramo(heat/apcr) can pen the hull of a jagdtiger because its only 180mm, t30 is a hull down tank, get the t30 in a hull down position and it will dominate jagdtigers

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 9:40 PM

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T30 also has a paper hull and a puny gun compared to the jagtiger (no it isn't a puny gun, but in comparison to that thing). T30s turret is easier to pen than the Jagtiger because of normalisation and the fact it's a gigantic and glaringly weak as soon as it turns slightly. 8° and 10° are both plenty good enough for hulldown spots. And it's 180 flat yes, 340 effective when using depression which isn't going to get penned. The jagtiger will literally burn straight through the T30 easily, even if the T30 plays peekaboom. Also as soon as you rely on the person shooting at a tank to be a good player you are literally conceeding that the tank is too good, the blitz playerbase is anything but good.

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Jagdtiger is suppose to be big scarier monster. Yes it's good, and probably borderline OP, but don't nerf it.

karmic steeple Sep 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Jagdtiger is pretty good but I’m pretty sure t30 wins in a peek a boom situation lol

dense yoke Sep 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Jagdtiger vs tortoise? @lunar niche So the tortoise who should have been the dpm king (imo) is worse than jagd?

dense walrus Sep 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Tortoise is pathetic. That comparison is laughable.

lunar niche Sep 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Vickers can rock back and forth or move faster than Jagdtiger though. I mean yes, it can bounce even TD shells but thats a small chance.

@dense yoke Jagdtiger doesn't have a cupola and goes 38 kmph.

I would say its worse than pre-buffed Jagdtiger.

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Jagdtiger is pretty good but I’m pretty sure t30 wins in a peek a boom situation lol
@karmic steeple Jagtiger has less than half the reload so can easily pre aim to pen every shot because of its normalisation (assuming that rushing is out of the question for whatever reason). T30 has to re-aim every time and may also have to use prammo because the jagtiger can shoot first and angle a bit more before the T30 can shoot. It would be fairly close, but I'd rather play the jag in that situation. Jagtiger is also better in almost every other scenario too btw

Jagtiger has got the larger mantlet to bait shots and people already have to be shooting high pen/TD prammo to pen the cheeks @lunar niche

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Ngl though, Jagdtiger is pretty good(possibly OP). The camo is great, armor is 'pretty' good, the gun is best in class, very good engine/speed/traverse for the size of it, and just overall an amazing tank.

raven dawn Sep 30, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Is8 buff

winged barn Sep 30, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Re aim shots? Nah let the autoaim (mobile) keep the gun aimed at the same spot. Waiting for aimtime is for noobs.

nocturne mauve Sep 30, 2020, 9:55 PM

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And whenever tortoise gets a buff, they’d find a way to make it OP

dense yoke Sep 30, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Jagd>tortoise. So if Jagdtiger is what we call a dpm fortress. What should we call Tortoise? The wannabe Badger? Honestly Tortoise needs a buff man. That tank is laughable bad. Would be Awesome if we could remove 183 from the line and add a badgerlike tank at tier 10. Buffing 183? No, thank you.

unique scaffold Sep 30, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Or just buff 183.

autumn zodiac Sep 30, 2020, 10:02 PM

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183 doesn't need a buff it's fine as is, it throws all it's stats into the gun and resists even large caliber HE.

distant river Sep 30, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I find the tortoise to be a lot of fun to play actually. I severely dislike brainless tanks so I have played almost no games in my jagtiger, but the tort feels like a jagtiger that actually needs skill. It also has cheap HESH which is absolutely brilliant, and you can bait a lot of shots with the cupola. It has literally nothing over the jagtiger and is a bad tank really, but it's still fun to play for me 🤷‍♀️

autumn zodiac Sep 30, 2020, 10:13 PM

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It also has the loader in the AA turret completely removing the DPM whenever someone always shoots at it

austere citrus Sep 30, 2020, 10:17 PM

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What about giving the tortoise a 6x400 autoloader, 2.5 secs in between, reduced penetration, and 30 sec mag reload, sounds OP but if u check the current DPM, its actually less, it will make it unique and worth grinding

nocturne mauve Sep 30, 2020, 10:32 PM

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The most brainless tank is T92E1

orchid grove Sep 30, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Tortoise mostly needs more DPM and for them to undo the gun handling nerf it received way back in the day

jagged crescent Sep 30, 2020, 10:55 PM

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It only took like 20mm of extra frontal hull armor and boom, Jagdtiger meta tank

winged barn Sep 30, 2020, 11:06 PM

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I don't get why the jag even got buffed. It was reasonably bouncy with an op gun. Now it has really good armor with an op gun.

drowsy idol Sep 30, 2020, 11:10 PM

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tortoise needs either more frontal armor or a smaller cupola

nimble zodiac Sep 30, 2020, 11:14 PM

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More frontal and cupola armor ;)

autumn zodiac Sep 30, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Or just shave it off, and improve the mobility

winged barn Sep 30, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Only stock tier 8s see armor on the tortoise. There is very little purpose for the "weakspot"

dense yoke Sep 30, 2020, 11:31 PM

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If jagdtiger gotten a armor buff. Did jgtig.8,8 cm also get one?

hardy hazel Sep 30, 2020, 11:32 PM

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I dont think so

karmic steeple Sep 30, 2020, 11:38 PM

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The 8.8 already has decent armor I think

autumn zodiac Sep 30, 2020, 11:39 PM

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@dense yoke no it did not

minor minnow Oct 1, 2020, 12:00 AM

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And whenever tortoise gets a buff, they’d find a way to make it OP
engine consumables and actual armor
👁️ 👄 👁️

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Then they give the 183 the consumables like they gave the 110e3

heavy galleon Oct 1, 2020, 12:13 AM

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do you think they should make it so that shooting in one spot and penning results in less and less dmg each shot (looking at you tortoise)

minor minnow Oct 1, 2020, 12:15 AM

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For the 183 statement maybe just the engine boost, nothing else, actually the engine boost or the reactive armor, make it more likely to survive tunnels. As for the Tortoise comment, I have no clue

orchid grove Oct 1, 2020, 12:22 AM

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183 just needs to be replaced by Super Tortoise. Take the Tortoise, improve the gun stats (maybe upgrade to the 123mm gun), slap some spaced armor on the hull cheeks, and BOOM, Super Tortoise

I know that's Badger, but Badger is already a collectable, and Super Tortoise is slower and has more gun arc, and would probably retain the cupola weakspot. Albeit I'm completely pulling it out of my butt, so 🤷

deft owl Oct 1, 2020, 12:23 AM

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@orchid grove Thats badger.

Badger should be a tech tree tank and 183 should be collector tank. If you own 183, you will given badger for free and keep 183 as a collector tank.

For the Tortoise it needs armor buff. The armor on it is pathetic, you dont even need to hit the cuppola to pen it. Most tier 9 can just pen it from the cheeks.

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 12:25 AM

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Yes, Super Tortoise, 305mm frontal armor + op engine speed boost + 6x400 autoloader

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 12:28 AM

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I don’t understand why wargaming made the MG turret user on the tortoise a loader it would be much better if they just made him the commander

heavy galleon Oct 1, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Downside: actual tortoise

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Nerf T110E3 traverse

jagged crescent Oct 1, 2020, 1:32 AM

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or just take away that engine consumable

round bluff Oct 1, 2020, 1:32 AM

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as a badger owner would 100% support removing the 183 and replacing it with the badger in the tech tree

mental pasture Oct 1, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Badger makes more sense than FV 183, but removing or replacing (making FV 183 a collector and putting Badger on it's place) aren't the solutions. I think that Badger could become a tech tree tank only after the full compensation in gold, so as like T-62A and Obj 140, it could become Researchable with FV 183

Super tortoise?

orchid grove Oct 1, 2020, 1:46 AM

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You can't do anything with Badger anymore, which is why they should make Super Tortoise a thing

turbid smelt Oct 1, 2020, 1:49 AM

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183 is fine
it does feel odd after tortoise but it is fun tank

fun for many players like me

me replay, not high damage game but it was fun

crystal spoke Oct 1, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Fun for who?

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Nerf IS-4 Frontal armor to 150mm and side armor to 100mm(it shouldn't have good side armor) @mental pasture u dont even have to side scrape on the is4, kv1 u had to

karmic portal Oct 1, 2020, 1:57 AM

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No

orchid grove Oct 1, 2020, 1:57 AM

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yes

jagged crescent Oct 1, 2020, 1:57 AM

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It shouldn't have good side armor?
The frontal armor I am just "ok" with but the side armor?

mental pasture Oct 1, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Exactly! @turbid smelt. FV 183 is iconic for the game, also put all those years of 183 song on trash is a waste of time and opportunities

But we should get something that is a pure AT tank
A like a british T110E3 but more focused in DPM, as like AT tanks (and tortoise)

Also, IS-4 should get a nerf, but nerf even the side armor is too much

We don't want IS-4 to become another KV-1, right?

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Is4 should get returned to it's previous armor state
(140? front 160 sides)

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 2:05 AM

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IS-4 current is 160mm which is around 320mm frontal, 150mm will be 300mm which is more than enough to brawl with and the sides should be reduced to 100mm because 140mm is absolutely ridiculous for a tank that has good speed and a really good gun.

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winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Is4 is not really that fast. It is acceptable at best. I just want the weird sidescraping god profile back

But they nerfed its side armor back then

orchid grove Oct 1, 2020, 2:12 AM

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They should just undo the armor buff that IS-4 got all that time ago

dense island Oct 1, 2020, 2:13 AM

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^^yup

nimble zodiac Oct 1, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Or shoot the small bar on the bottom <o/

IS-4 will lose too much effective armor though

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 2:18 AM

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what about 140mm/140mm front/sides, that seems much more fair

jagged crescent Oct 1, 2020, 2:23 AM

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the old version had 140mm front 160mm sides. Do that

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 2:23 AM

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^
Old armor profile was not op, but was still interesting. Weak front+excessively strong sides like the rest of the line is the way to go.

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Buff STB-1 credit coefficient

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Last time I checked it was the top coefficient of the tech tree vehicles with the 4202...

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 2:54 AM

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@winged barn No it's credit coefficient is bad... unless I am using too many HEAT shells and provisions.

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 2:58 AM

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It appears to have changed. There are worse coefficients in tier 10

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 3:03 AM

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How many times must this be said tier 10 is not played for profits

karmic steeple Oct 1, 2020, 3:10 AM

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chieftain has entered the chat
No tier 8 premium spam for me

jagged crescent Oct 1, 2020, 3:37 AM

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you play good, you barely break even in credits
you play bad, kiss ur wallet gudbai

ember thunder Oct 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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ok when will is3 get the 2 extra 20 mm armour plates on the front which is3d has and is3d is not supposed to have that

turbid smelt Oct 1, 2020, 5:10 AM

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@ember thunder why it is not supposed to have those?

ah i see

ember thunder Oct 1, 2020, 5:11 AM

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cuzzz the extra 20mm plates are actually the two tracks placed in front of is3 front hull

but it is not present in is3d
and still has the extra 20mm even tho the tracks are not present

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Iirc the is3d hit model was never remodeled to the current is3D model and is still presented as an is3A hit model

fallow eagle Oct 1, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Buff e75ts turret cheeks,t34 can pen it easily

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Ah yes, the BUFF MY EVENT TANK screaming begins

hearty steeple Oct 1, 2020, 6:38 AM

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I mean i expected these suggestions sooner.

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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People can't even angle their turrets

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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We gonna ignore he said t34 as if t34 doesn’t have T10 worthy penetration

turbid smelt Oct 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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@fallow eagle lel T34 is one of the high pen guns

not fight t34
use armour against lower pen guns and always expect to hit point trade with high pen guns

there is literally nothing you can do about high pen gun doing high pen gun things
unless you are anime protagonist

fallow eagle Oct 1, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Yea but everyone spams t34 and isu152 nowadays.there are atleast 2 t34 in every match.i can understand isu penning me but what am i supposed to do when i encounter t34?
Sidescrap doesn't work because he will pen my turret cheek
Hulldown,he can pen me all day

winged barn Oct 1, 2020, 6:58 AM

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If the 75ts can angle the turret to force the t34 to prammospam, but that is just a detail to ignore

Really though, angle the turret. It works.
Any slight wiggling makes the face plate and the side plates easily jump to 270

Make people have to constantly switch between aiming at the face and aiming at the side and they have a high chance of failure

Also, why in the heck is the cupola a 150mm cone?

orchid grove Oct 1, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Even if you angle the turret at maximum effectiveness, you can only get it from ~240 vs. HEAT to ~252 vs. HEAT
There's no angle where an E-75TS can have its turret unpennable by a T34's AP shells

On a sidenote, I just noticed that armor inspector finally fixed the side armor profile of the E-75ts

eager valve Oct 1, 2020, 10:38 AM

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T92E1armor needs to be nerfed. There are way too many unresonably thick armor spot where ive been bouncing with tier 10 heavies

misty portal Oct 1, 2020, 10:45 AM

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@orchid grove hii

rare mauve Oct 1, 2020, 10:54 AM

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T92E1armor needs to be nerfed. There are way too many unresonably thick armor spot where ive been bouncing with tier 10 heavies
Imagine complaining about troll armor

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Also what heavies are you using because most T10 heavies shouldn’t even be struggling with it anymore

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Please guys, can you consider giving the Smasher -10° of gun depression. The tank is already so bad, atleast give it this so it can compete at its tier.

sonic burrow Oct 1, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Please guys, can you consider giving the Smasher -10° of gun depression. The tank is already so bad, atleast give it this so it can compete at its tier.

I absolutely agree with this statement. When a tank as bad as the smasher can't even 1v1 a M4A3E8, it shouldn't have been sold in expensive crates. I routinely lose to Teir 6 tanks in brawls.

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Everything about you two is criminally unfunny serious suggestions only here spread your dead jokes in the general channel

nocturne mauve Oct 1, 2020, 11:41 AM

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criminally

sonic burrow Oct 1, 2020, 12:04 PM

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but it actually happens to me, a lot

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 12:14 PM

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I agree my dude. Ppl won't understand us :(

noble quail Oct 1, 2020, 12:30 PM

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T20 needs a buff, or even the whole line itself tbh

the T20 has the worst dpm I think among tier 7 mediums, or was it the Pershing

And if it uses the stock gun which has higher dpm, it won't pen anything

but that's just my opinion

Although the amazing view range kinda lessens it's drawbacks

sinful leaf Oct 1, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Pershing is very powercrept, worsened by the premium tank meta at Tier 8.

loud kernel Oct 1, 2020, 12:42 PM

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T20 is what a balanced dracula looks like

toxic cove Oct 1, 2020, 12:43 PM

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don't see any point of nerfing is-4, never had a problem playing against it

sudden granite Oct 1, 2020, 1:21 PM

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don't see any point of nerfing is-4, never had a problem playing against it
@toxic cove sheridanks more annoyin xd

astral quartz Oct 1, 2020, 2:39 PM

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T92 and Sheridan armor needs a nerf, how is it possible they can bounce TDs and heavies shoots.

craggy kayak Oct 1, 2020, 2:45 PM

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aim

verbal thistle Oct 1, 2020, 2:55 PM

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T92 and Sheridan armor needs a nerf, how is it possible they can bounce TDs and heavies shoots.
@astral quartz spaced armour

raw maple Oct 1, 2020, 3:12 PM

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You guys just wanna nerf anything you can’t he shot and take half their health lol

turbid smelt Oct 1, 2020, 3:31 PM

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you can actually he pen t92s from front, side and rear with 152mm guns or any type of hesh gun...

hardy hazel Oct 1, 2020, 3:52 PM

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And the turret, dont forget the turret

austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 4:18 PM

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this is what u do for pershing, slap 100mm more on the front and it becomes some op medium tank so it has 300mm effective front, so yes super super mega strong

turbid smelt Oct 1, 2020, 4:19 PM

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super pershing isn't good

mental pasture Oct 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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If you don't have a bad cannon, then you can penetrate Super Pershing @austere citrus (At least it's HEAT proof)

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austere citrus Oct 1, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I mean I meant double armor on the regular Pershing(I mean I personally don't care because I don't use it but I just want to fight something other than t54s)

dusty delta Oct 1, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Buff the turret of FV4202 & show some love to FV4005

mossy scarab Oct 1, 2020, 4:58 PM

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NERF smasher plz

vital basalt Oct 1, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Buff for whole M48 Patton line,like
A little Dpm buff for T20,it has 6.74s reload now so 6.40s or 6.30s will be ok

Same buff for Pershing and it also needs a better gun mantlet now it has 203mm which is lets say meh for tier 8,220mm will be great

for M46,I Think it needs a Turret Armour buff because,American Meds are basically made for Hulldown and with M46 You cant bounce anything maybe some tier 8 stock guns

and For M48 Patton it needs a little buff for Cheeks because we have Stb1 and it does everything but better Stb1 has better Hull Armour,Better Turret armour,better speed,better accuracy etc.

meager spruce Oct 1, 2020, 6:22 PM

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@mental pasture you forgot that if you are a td you can go straight through the gun mantlet

queen elbow Oct 1, 2020, 7:19 PM

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how tho? Even if you shoot around the flat shield, pretty sure only way to pen is with a pixel perfect shot clipping either the top of bottom of the mantlet. (assuming the guy has his gun fully depressed / elevated)

meager spruce Oct 1, 2020, 7:23 PM

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@queen elbow there is no armor behind the mantlet and as most (if not all) tds in tier 8 have more than 220 mm of pen, they will butcher the mantlet without even using prammo

queen elbow Oct 1, 2020, 7:39 PM

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@meager spruce oh from the screenshot, I thought it was the super pershing lmao. big brain

orchid grove Oct 1, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@meager spruce Actually WG stealth buffed that, so you can’t shoot through the mantlet anymore on the SP. Same goes for the M26 and M46’s stock turret

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2020, 8:35 PM

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~~please fix the mantlets wargaming~~

nimble zodiac Oct 1, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Yeah fix mantlets, ISU shouldn't be able to drill 252U's 😂

rare mauve Oct 1, 2020, 11:34 PM

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i think every tank should have a 350mm mantlet

dreamy oar Oct 2, 2020, 12:02 AM

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What even is the mantlet, armor wise. Like is it a piece of extract armor for the turret on where it’s placed acting as spaced armor or is the no armor behind the mantlet. Bc I’ve been hit in the mantlet, I’m assuming, while playing the M4 Rev, absorbing some 152 ap before and I think an he too. But I’m not sure if it just hit the gun.

karmic portal Oct 2, 2020, 12:06 AM

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@dreamy oar it depends on the tank. Some tanks like the tiger p have armor underneath the mantlet while others have nothing, or at least for a part of it

drifting depot Oct 2, 2020, 12:09 AM

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mantlets

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zealous sun Oct 2, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Russian gun mantlets are op

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Realistically there shouldn't be armor behind most mantlets. It's just a chunk of metal to cover the hole that the gun and aiming devices stick out of

noble quail Oct 2, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Buff for whole M48 Patton line,like
A little Dpm buff for T20,it has 6.74s reload now so 6.40s or 6.30s will be ok

Same buff for Pershing and it also needs a better gun mantlet now it has 203mm which is lets say meh for tier 8,220mm will be great

for M46,I Think it needs a Turret Armour buff because,American Meds are basically made for Hulldown and with M46 You cant bounce anything maybe some tier 8 stock guns

and For M48 Patton it needs a little buff for Cheeks because we have Stb1 and it does everything but better Stb1 has better Hull Armour,Better Turret armour,better speed,better accuracy etc.

I agree with that, the whole line doesn't get any attention tbh
It would be nice if WG buffed them

Even if just a bit

But the view range is one of the best in class on their tier though in the M48 and T20

austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Vickers CR is balanced. Change my mind. Don't nerf it, it's balanced.

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Med armor tbh

drifting depot Oct 2, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Hmmmmm

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austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 12:43 AM

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sheridan should be lower for a reason and batchet, hard to play tank, maybe buff alpha to 350 on alpha for the batchet though

karmic steeple Oct 2, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Rip tds except e3

austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Nerf E3 traverse by like 50%

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Jesus, 50%, you just frickin killed her, dude

turbid smelt Oct 2, 2020, 1:03 AM

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@austere citrus don't take that graph seriously

garbage tank like 140 is performing better than its superior counter part (t62a), 140 is also performing better than leo 1 and 4202 as well

rare mauve Oct 2, 2020, 1:11 AM

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140 is a tank for better players
T62A is a better tank

drifting depot Oct 2, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Honestly the 140 is actually pretty good for sidescraping because of the hull shape, not the best as far as raw armor goes but meh, troll af

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 1:20 AM

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140’s got a better gun

celest marlin Oct 2, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Funny joke

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Is it not?

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 2:09 AM

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140 gun is definitely better.

Also, no comments being made about the t110e3, maus, and is4? Only the vickers?

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 2:22 AM

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140 gun isn't better, T-62A gun literally has more penetration and laser accuracy.

celest marlin Oct 2, 2020, 2:22 AM

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140 has significantly worse gun handling, only benefit is the shell normalization with it being AP rounds and not APCR. 62As gun is one of the best guns at tier X for mediums

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2020, 2:30 AM

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I would argue it is the best tbh. The leopards gets outshined by the t62s combination of armor and gun the AP normalization isn’t that useful since 245 is pretty low for t10 anyways

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 2:30 AM

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I gotta say, worse gun handling means literally nothing with those guns. And the AP shells of the 140 are a huge advantage

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 2:42 AM

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5° of normalization means nothing if you can't penetrate armor plates on the edge of penetration(Shell velocity matters too but ok) I mean if you wanna talk about turrets that's a different story entirely, also 7° of gun depression is a huge advantage over 140(You can't push over the ridgeline on normandy at the start so 7° is useful, not to mention that you will often rely on the turret armor of russian meds more so than the hull) 6° is still good but it's not 7° Edit: How are you positioning yourself in Russian mediums where you are always exposing the hull? There are plenty of ways to exploit terrain to hulldown with 6° & 7° gun dep.

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 2:42 AM

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The butt armor of the maus is op

And they have the same velocity

Can confirm the gun depression advantage of the 62 is bs

With the lack of gun depression and how close the gun is to the hull, exposing the hull will happen often

M8, the gun is basically resting on top of the hull. You have to find the perfect spot to not expose the hull. Go slightly to little and your gun is blocked, go slightly too far and your hull is showing

I'm not saying sit in the middle of a field

Just that the margin for error is very small

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queen elbow Oct 2, 2020, 2:47 AM

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kinda sad how some tech tree tanks just outshine each other. Like 140 vs. t62, Is4 vs. Is7, also t30 vs t110e4.

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 2:48 AM

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T30 vs T110E4 😂

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 2:54 AM

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._. Like bruh, I haven't exposed my hull using terrain in T-62A, and whenever I have to, I make sure to poke at an angle so that the small area of the front that shows is at ricochet angles. You can literally do the same in 140 so I don't know what's the problem there.(I said when using terrain, and sometimes it is actually unsuitable so sidescraping combined with using the terrain works.) As for positioning, ok maybe I'm just familiar with maps that are at least a year old ~~I would pull a replay demonstrating this but I can't be bothered so on to the penetration again~~

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 2:57 AM

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-_-
Ah yes, you always find yourself in perfect positions?
There is a VERY small amount of space between the gun and the hull.

A slight tap of movement moves you from the hull covered to the hull exposed

And yes I know what you are talking about. Good luck doing it 100% of the time

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 3:04 AM

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It's true APCR has crappy normalization, which makes for undesirable penetration values when shooting at angled armor... Which exists every where at Tier 10, so there T-62A is indeed disadvantaged but laser accuracy man. Another area where 140 is better is mobility and hull, though the turret lacks solid roof armor.

jagged crescent Oct 2, 2020, 3:23 AM

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thats why u dont stay still while poking in and out

cyan saffron Oct 2, 2020, 3:28 AM

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ive had a had a problem with getting matched with higher tier tanks and i get destroyed a lot and if im getting matched with higher tier tanks make the majority of the tanks the lower tier. not trying to be mean but this has been a large problem for me

jagged crescent Oct 2, 2020, 3:34 AM

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bad luck

turbid smelt Oct 2, 2020, 3:34 AM

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@sinful leaf ap and apcr shells normalization only after it is established by server that shell is not hitting armour at 70°

extra 3° of normalization gives 140 penetration level of t62 against 150mm plate

keep in mind t62 still has 2° of normalization

cyan saffron Oct 2, 2020, 4:17 AM

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ive been having tier 5 in tier 4 fights 10 times in a row, litteraly

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Tier V magnet tier with the jump and seal clubbers

signal sapphire Oct 2, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Ever consider buffing the 100mm guns on the T-44 and lower 2 T-54 guns? 175 pen just isnt enough to pen half the tanks they can face.
Response to below: you could at least buff the fully upgraded T-44 100 pen to 180? You look at the rest of the tier 8 mediums and they all have tier 8 guns that can pen 180+... kinda makes the T-44 obsolete.

turbid smelt Oct 2, 2020, 4:20 AM

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T44 is fine with 175mm of penetration

2 stock t54 guns shouldn't have penetration level to deal with tier 9 tanks

jagged crescent Oct 2, 2020, 4:27 AM

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u get 185 with calibrated

signal sapphire Oct 2, 2020, 4:31 AM

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I mean... the only tier 8 medium tank that has worse pen with the top gun is the T69 and I can see the reason behind that... it's an autoloader. What's the hurt in adding 5mm of pen to make it equal with the other mediums. The top gun isnt even worth it imo. Give the top gun 180 pen... make the T-44 and the top gun worth keeping instead of just passing off as a hurtle... make it a competitive tank. If you look at the tech tree for it that line only has a single tier 8 gun and its exclusive to the T-44 in that line...

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 4:33 AM

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T44 is what I call balanced. Not amazing, but not bad. There are plenty of other tier 8 mediums that have the same pen.
Buffing 1 would only make people cry about buffing all the others
And then armor would be less useful.
Then the armor profiles get buffed. Then pen doesn't work.
It is a cycle that repeats

And then you have guys like me that run the is6+dpm gun+rammer. The is6 does not have the speed that the t44 has, yet it manages with 175 pen

noble quail Oct 2, 2020, 4:33 AM

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The Pershing has 180 mm pen on the top gun without Calibrated, and I thought that's low

mental pasture Oct 2, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Actually T-44 is horrível with that 122mm cannon, 175mm pen, super long reload, tier 5 DPM, ultra bad accuracy, etc

signal sapphire Oct 2, 2020, 4:42 AM

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About that IS-6 statement... it also has 400 alpha and an 11 sec reload without any consumables or equipment. T-44 has an 8 sec with 280 alpha with equipment and consumables. It also has armor to go along with it.

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 4:45 AM

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T44 has easy access to side armor. Is6 does not. Why does the t44 need to punch through the front of heavies exactly?

Also you guys are ignoring the amx 13 90 with 170 pen and bad dpm

So what we really need are some armor nerfs?

jagged crescent Oct 2, 2020, 4:45 AM

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To be fair, i dont think any of the t8 mediums have been in a good spot lately. The HP boosts in t8 + some of the armor buffs made things crazy

noble quail Oct 2, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Yeah, especially the tech tree ones

IMO some of the tier 8 tech tree mediums needs a buff because their premium counterparts are better than them in some way, yeah I understand that WG needs the premiums better than the tech tree ones

But I don't want the tech tree tank to be powercreeped because the premium counterparts are way better than it

austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 4:55 AM

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how about just stop buffing stuff

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 4:57 AM

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How about we start nerfing the overpreforming stuff

solar zealot Oct 2, 2020, 5:14 AM

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no, buff the underperforming ones and through that indirectly nerfing the OP ones, that would be better if u ask me

latent snow Oct 2, 2020, 5:14 AM

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So just more power creep?

signal sapphire Oct 2, 2020, 5:15 AM

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How about we address one nations problems at a time instead of a wide spectrum of them? Buff what needs buffing and nerf what needs nerfing.

hardy hazel Oct 2, 2020, 5:22 AM

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no, buff the underperforming ones and through that indirectly nerfing the OP ones, that would be better if u ask me
You will need a full rebalance because if you buff some tanks, others will be the ones that will have a poor performance instead, no matter how you do it, you still need to rebalance everything

karmic portal Oct 2, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Premiums won’t be getting nerfed so keep dreaming about it. The only thing possible would be to buff the underperforming tanks, and currently tier 8 tech tree meds are underperforming. They really lack dpm, many tier 7s have more dpm than them. The t43 has 2.3k and dpm while the t44 only has 2k.

And it’s a tier higher, and faces tanks with way more hp.
How about this, the t34 1 has 1.9k dpm and has the same size gun as the t44, t44 is a tier higher yet only has 2k dpm. And armor wise their turrets are comparable

dense walrus Oct 2, 2020, 5:34 AM

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@karmic portal judging the tanks just off of DPM is a bit unfair. T44 has better alpha and armor, among other things.

hardy hazel Oct 2, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Not talking about prems, just tech tree tanks

vital basalt Oct 2, 2020, 6:54 AM

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actaully T44 and T34-1 Has same gun even one it tier 7 and other is 8 and T34-1 also has better turret armour even in tier 8 battles

karmic portal Oct 2, 2020, 6:59 AM

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The only difference is the t44 gun is a tad more accurate and has a tad better reload but the t44 has to deal with tier 8 heavys and tier 9s, the gun is really lackluster for being a whole tier higher

frosty oriole Oct 2, 2020, 8:54 AM

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is it just me or is the standard B like subjectively better than the progetto 65?

muted rampart Oct 2, 2020, 9:04 AM

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@frosty oriole no it s not just you. Standard is a way better compared to its tier

frosty oriole Oct 2, 2020, 9:53 AM

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like you could honestly just switch the progetto and standard around and it wouldn't even really make a difference

the standard has HESH, concealment, gun depression, mobility

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2020, 9:54 AM

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That’s a really bold take and I don’t even have both in the perspective of facing both of them in battle progettos are far harder to deal with compared to standard Bs from mobility to DPM

nocturne mauve Oct 2, 2020, 9:56 AM

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Progetto 65 sucks a bit

verbal thistle Oct 2, 2020, 9:57 AM

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I think Wargaming should rename the random battle mode
As "luck battle" mode

noble pagoda Oct 2, 2020, 10:10 AM

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How strong is the Russian bias in this game? On PC it's strong, almost nonexistent in Console-what about Blitz?

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Search up kv2-su 152 derp comp on YouTube for blitz

noble pagoda Oct 2, 2020, 10:27 AM

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What about on lower tiers? 1-5.

latent snow Oct 2, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Other than the t-34 there isn’t any OP Russian tanks in lower tier. Before 5.5 the t-46 was also very good but now it sucks

dense yoke Oct 2, 2020, 1:23 PM

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I think Wargaming should rename the random battle mode
As "luck battle" mode
@verbal thistle I think the word you are looking for is RNG.

frosty oriole Oct 2, 2020, 2:14 PM

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the biggest russian bias tanks are the IS-4, t-22 medium, and t-62a at tier 10

verbal thistle Oct 2, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@verbal thistle I think the word you are looking for is RNG.
@dense yoke Every singlatch is literally either I lose 7-0 or I win 7-0
Like literally
Every single match

mental pasture Oct 2, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Where's the proof of this affirmation

distant river Oct 2, 2020, 2:32 PM

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0-7 and 7-0s are probably the most memorable results. Its funny how biased people can get from their patchy memories

remote oriole Oct 2, 2020, 2:48 PM

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What if they are right? Then you’re the biased one who simply uses ‘patchy memories’ as a way to discredit your opposition despite them being correct (and it would diagnose you in your own fashion as someone with a ‘patchy memor[y]’ )

distant river Oct 2, 2020, 2:53 PM

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If they are right then not only would they be an extreme statistical anomaly but it would also be extremely likely that they would show proof of it 🤷‍♀️

When you can model games and stats with maths you find that the maths is right almost constantly, and that the players who don't bother to look at it are the ones who are wrong

remote oriole Oct 2, 2020, 3:06 PM

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When you model things the model is correct by nature (although usually simplified) unless when you make a mistake. Also, almost nobody here shows proof for anything (nobody works scientifically here) so showing proof or not does not determine at all how correct or incorrect someone is (I for example don’t assume that you are incorrect just because you didn’t supply any proof for your claim that someone only experiencing 0-7 results would be an extreme statistical anomaly). Lastly, if you use maths to show that you are correct you can’t say that someone who uses maths is correct per se because firstly you use maths to show that maths is right which is ridiculous and secondly you didn’t show that the use of maths is right to begin with

distant river Oct 2, 2020, 3:17 PM

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I may be going out on a bit of a limb here, but I think it's fairly safe to say that all of us have experienced a game that is not a 7-0 win/loss. If you are going to claim something that different to every single other persons viewpoint, then it's common practice to be prepared to show proof, or to show proof as you claim it. I don't need to prove to you that games that aren't 7-0s exist because it is fair to assume you have done that through your own experience.
This game can be modelled statistically and so the maths behind those statistics is going to be correct. The similarities between observations and maths is what proves both to be correct, and that is what the scientific method is all about so I am definitely not proving maths with maths. I could show the maths, but when the observations are clear and obvious for all to see and the maths is probably so high-level that a handful of people would understand or care, there isn't really much point.

remote oriole Oct 2, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Technically you have to prove every single thing in maths, no matter how obvious it seems, because before you have proven it it’s only plausible, just as it is plausible that someone only sees 7-0 games.

And you are trying to prove maths with maths if you try to claim that maths is correct and use the same maths to prove that. Aside from that you literally just discredited observations because you find them too unlikely (because of your ‘maths’ (you can’t even know the necessary data behind that because it’s unavailable, so claiming that you did any maths is... interesting)). I don’t know what would be high level about those stats, it’s literally just a distribution of battle results, and that would only show the probability of his experience, but wouldn’t (couldn’t possibly) prove that it didn’t happen

distant river Oct 2, 2020, 4:06 PM

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It is common practice to not start from basic axioms every time you do something in maths. It is also common practice to not prove the accepted viewpoint unless someone has a specific disproof or am actual good point. Saying "all my games are 7-0s" is not one of those. If you want to try and prove that then go ahead be my guest, but I can save you a lot of time by spoiling the answer 🤷‍♀️

I am saying that an observation is correct and then using statistical analysis of a basic model to show that is correct. He could obviously disprove himself by showing one screenshot but I doubt that would happen, most people seem to not want to admit their own mistakes so they go off nitpicking into fine detai- hmmmm.
I have discredited his observation based off several, very easy to understand concepts that show his scenario is a statistical impossibility. You don't need specific figures to do maths, or to understand the basis behind the maths, you just need some braincells. Distribution of battle results, how individual player performance affects that, what the actual player performance was, other factors such a tank, tier, 5k battle MM etc etc. I would rather not go into that to prove that someone crying about MM is incorrect because I have better things to do. Due to randomness and chaos it is technically impossible to prove pretty much anything, but again general common sense is used to ignore statistical impossibilities.
I don't know if you lack the common sense, or are just looking for an argument 🤷‍♀️

flat bane Oct 2, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I don't have a problem with MM due to the fact my teams are always blasting.

remote oriole Oct 2, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Interesting how you call it statistical impossibility and in the same sentence admit that it is not a statistical impossibility since it can actually happen. Aside from that, the irony of this whole situation is that I precisely criticised your arrogance in the way you rejected it, the same arrogance you use now by suggesting that I am going into details rather than admitting that I am incorrect while I could just as well say the same about you. But enough of that.

I said technically because you only technically have to prove everything. I am aware that normally people don’t because it would take forever. It is however not common in maths to just use consensus as a basis, you do have to actually prove it (or someone else). And using ‘actual good point[s]’ is about as vague as it gets. Just by not taking the other person you are talking with serious (as you are now) you don’t spoil the answer to the question that is being discussed but you actually spoil your chance to broaden your views and actually check the maths you so proudly use with what are claimed to be observations.

You have discredited his observations with an assumption on your part. You did not use data at all since you can’t have access to it and while you might have used mathematical concepts (although you didn’t name a single one but only factors and figures) you do not have any actual statistical basis, all you have on your side is expectation based on your experience, and while your claim seems reasonable it is not prove to any extend, which is why I may as well ask “What if they are right?”

rare mauve Oct 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Lots of games are 7-0, 7-1, 7-2.
Big deal
Play another game

dense yoke Oct 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I mean he ain't wrong. Ps - Do not spam prem. If you want to save money.

karmic portal Oct 2, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I know this may not be the place for this but does anyone have a link to an article or post by wargaming that says matchmaking is random? Not that’s it’s not skill based or what not but that says it’s random

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Positive does
I'm pretty sure

hardy hazel Oct 2, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Lots of games are 7-0, 7-1, 7-2.
Big deal
Play another game
But how does your stats reflect that? You have to lose every time one of your team mates die, and win every time some one kills an enemy, its hard to tell just looking in the profile stats

twilit crystal Oct 2, 2020, 5:34 PM

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you arent forced to use the is6 dpm gun, its just a fun choice for some players, realistically 181 pen would be fine for the t44 etc armor power creep has happened a bit and some of the lowest pen tanks have struggled. Even my t34-1 which I considered to have OP pen at tier 7 now merely feels balanced

nocturne mauve Oct 2, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Is-6 dpm gun is useless 99% of the time

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 5:39 PM

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That is 93% wrong

nocturne mauve Oct 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Ah yes good luck being downtiered all the time

You don’t need to restrict yourself to having tier 7 pen, it’s fun but not practical

coarse harness Oct 2, 2020, 6:04 PM

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The only usable gun on the IS-6 is the dpm gun

distant river Oct 2, 2020, 6:13 PM

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@remote oriole I am more than happy with the maths concepts that I used. If they are correct in what they are saying, then they are an extreme statistical anomaly. It is impossible to prove I am right unless the players provides evidence themselves, which seems to have not happened modt likely because the evidence contradicts what they said. If you think it's wrong to dismiss statistical impossibilities then I can't help you, you will be stuck working around percentages too small to comprehend until you wake up and realise that what you are pointing out is useless.

remote oriole Oct 2, 2020, 6:23 PM

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You never got what I was saying the whole conversation

karmic portal Oct 2, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I think his point was that whenever someone says something, people immediately jump on him and tell him he is wrong, without actually having any real information about what he is saying, as he didn’t provide any, and without having any real evidence to counter it

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2020, 6:54 PM

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hi

rare mauve Oct 2, 2020, 7:46 PM

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lmao imagine #tank-balance-discussion actually being for balance

queen elbow Oct 2, 2020, 8:04 PM

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@Devs Would it be a good idea for recently bought tech tree tanks to get preferential MM for just the first few battles? I’m pretty sure they do it for the 1st battle in a recently bought tank, but it could help players not be frustrated after encountering higher tier tanks while being bone stock.

mental pasture Oct 2, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Yeah, I agree with this, stock tanks have no chance being lower tiered

queen elbow Oct 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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The question is really how many battles to give with pref. MM, maybe based on tier? (More for higher tiers)

dense walrus Oct 2, 2020, 8:17 PM

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This is already a thing, new tanks get a “honeymoon” period in which MM tries to get them to be top tier for a short time.

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Yeah isn’t it for first 5-10 matches iirc? @dense walrus

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I say 5, and permanenet for tanks like Pz. B2

dense walrus Oct 2, 2020, 8:30 PM

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not sure the exact number, the forum thread only says "several"

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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I would suggest for the AT 7 to get a buff, because in my opinion AT 7 is the worst TD tier for tier in-game. The flaw of the coupolas being easy to shoot can stay, but either give the coupolas a slight armor buff or buff the mobility. The latter wouldn't make sense considering how the line is designed, and I doubt they'll add consumables. But yeah armor is useless for the mobility it sacrifices, it cannot frontline, only either camp/snipe or work as third line support... If such a line exists. Now an argument can be made to just snipe in AT 7 but the mobility makes it hard to relocate in a manner that allows you to get to a position quickly enough to support your team.

dense yoke Oct 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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i suggest that that AT 7, AT 15 and Tortoise (Mostly the last 2) to get some solid buffs (Armor). Don't know what is happening to AT 8 down there.

compact nymph Oct 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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The AT7 is fine. The worst tier 10 in the game being unlocked through grinding the worst line in the game is fair. The AT7, like the other tanks in the line, teach you that your armor is crap because of the huge cupola and you don't have speed neither. By playing bad tanks you get prepared for the rest of the line which doesn't get better.

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Except those juicy 1300s

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 8:55 PM

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^

autumn zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 8:58 PM

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AT 7 is far from the worst TD tier for tier in the game.

That easily goes to grille 15.

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Not T82?

AT2 can be a beast in tier 4-5

hardy hazel Oct 2, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Not AT 2?

coarse harness Oct 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Sau 40 ?

dense yoke Oct 2, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Emil?

full token Oct 2, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Not 183?

hardy hazel Oct 2, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Marder II? Okno, that one was a pretty good tank

distant river Oct 2, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Emil and grille are beautiful tanks to play :'(

Don't need camo on the grille if you play it agressively 🤷‍♀️

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 9:15 PM

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To your point about Grille, it's only "bad" because it lacks camo. The FV 183 not only lacks camo but also has mediocre armor for being based off the FV215b chassis, and is extremely vulnerable for a long amount of time after firing. Edit: Yeah I know that Grille doesn't need camo when played aggressively, I'm trying to compare this as if an average player was playing the tanks.
(Even if Grille has the downside of paper armor and camo, the mobility and flexibility of the amazing gun allows it to easily out perform FV 183, while FV 183 is a very situational tank.)

stiff spindle Oct 2, 2020, 9:57 PM

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i want to nerf t1 heavy but i cant

hardy hazel Oct 2, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Yeah, me too, that thing is tier 5 cancer, even if i dont rly play tier 5

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 10:04 PM

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It stole everything from KV-1

muted rampart Oct 2, 2020, 10:39 PM

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change Alpha dmg on kv 1 122 mm gun to 400 heat and 500 he

autumn zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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@sinful leaf Grille 15 also has the worst Penetration in tier 10 for TDs, has terrible hull traverse, mediocre P/W ratio and a pretty bad top speed for it's as you noted, terrible armor.

Slap that on with bad view range and terrible camo and you have a terrible tank.

Edit: Forgot to note that the gun barely depresses

If you are relying on using the sides you constantly turn the hull and lose camo and accuracy in the process.

Using calibrated shells to make up for your lack of Penetration also takes away the advantage of your DPM and just makes you a worse tank in general.

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Mediocre? For a TD with paper for armor it's good enough. Also, hull traverse isn't an issue unless you position yourself badly, leaving yourself vulnerable to flankers. The penetration problem can easily be fixed if you choose to use calibrated but the accuracy is so good to begin with, you can just snipe weakspots. Top speed is the only real downside, but then again Grille is a tank that has suffered a nerf. Gun depression isn't an issue unless you're trying to use steep ridgelines for whatever reason, it gets 7/8° over side.(Note that I said that you can choose to use calibrated, but the accuracy is very good to begin with, so sniping weakspots is an easier option.) The camo isn't even a problem if you play it aggressively as a second line TD, just back out sidescraping, then quickly drive straight behind cover, you get gun dep and don't massively hinder your accuracy. Another way to get around the bad camo is to relocate, as Grille has great mobility for a TD.
Edit: I should redefine what I meant by sidescraping. The intent of backing up around a corner in such a manner is to keep turret dispersion from blooming the reticle, not to absorb damage. Dispersion movement values are a downside but that is why you don't attempt to to poke out with your front to begin with. Hull traverse does not hinder relocation if you're doing it from range. I even said second line which gives you enough distance to be relatively safe while relocating. The camo values are better than mediums and is still not awful at range when moving and stationary, but suit yourself if you want to sit on Grille being worst TD tier for tier when FV 183 in its current state exists.

stuck crest Oct 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Can we see the t2 light with the 72 km/hr and 5 bursts again? T2 is just a bad tank now that’s no fun. I’m tempted to sell it.

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Nah, we cannot have any variety in low tiers. Take your seal clubbing to tier 6

autumn zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Sidescrape in the tank with no armor? Relocate? Grille isn't even mobile it can barely relocate with that hull traverse and terrible camo.

Here's the "amazing accuracy" you get with Grille, I threw E 100 in so you could have an inaccurate heavy in the mix also with a 15cm

You lose everything upon the slightest traverse of the gun or hull

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austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Don't buff Grille or any tank, can be buff credit coefficient on every tank though by double?

autumn zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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@sinful leaf actually... The camo values are worse than every medium tank except M48 Patton while stationary...

📎 Screenshot_20201002-190642.png 📎 Screenshot_20201002-190637.png

austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 11:08 PM

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So... your saying, we buff camo to like vickers light , nerf alpha to 560

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

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:/ If you're insistent on the camo being the worst part about Grille, because camo is everything for a TD then I suppose there is where you win. However, there are examples of TDs with even worse camo ratings because of their height. It does suck to have bad camo on Grille but it's exactly because the camo is bad is that you either snipe from a distance, relocate, repeat... Or play it second line and make use of your gun when you find opportunity. Personally, I prefer the latter, easier to do damage that way. Either ways, you can't say a Grille is worse than a FV215b(183) when that is literally a worse TD
Wait fr Master? LOL 🤣

winged barn Oct 2, 2020, 11:18 PM

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@autumn zodiac you are calling the grille bad when you play the t44 with a 122.
Shall I do a comparison of the tier 8 alpha meds?

austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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i mean u could just buff the grille reload to like 8 seconds but then nerf everything else like dispersion, speed, traverse, camo, aiming time,

lunar niche Oct 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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183 might be a worse td but it still has that fear factor to stop a rush. Its still bad in comparison to Grille.

The gun angles and hull traverse just hinders it. Heavies got faster and now lights are running around and Grille gets a dpm buff instead lmao.

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Fear factor is certainly exploitable but it has its limits.
Fear factor can be used to hold a line by yourself for a solid minute but you cannot do for much longer than that, and once you shoot you'll get rushed and die, mostly because tanks with a such a factor at tier 10 have a long reload, leaving them vulnerable.

autumn zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Nothing is scary about grille

The difference is I am choosing to use a different gun on T-44. I am also a statistical outlier with T-44 concerning choice and overall stats. If you choose to use my stats as an overall conclusion you can only conclude that player will perform better with the 122 over the 100mm. That is not at all a sound arguement.

austere citrus Oct 2, 2020, 11:34 PM

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@autumn zodiac give the grill the 17cm pak and nerf the reload to 15seconds and it will be scary.

sinful leaf Oct 2, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Are you being legitimate?

drifting depot Oct 2, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Honestly the only way for a grille to be scary is if he's constantly sniping you from across the map with no way of being spotted, like a medium tank poking over the hills in canal while a grille snipes from the very corner, although a lot of other tds could do that so eeeeeeh

regal grove Oct 2, 2020, 11:47 PM

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lets name chick egurl number 2 and that would be a nightmare

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2020, 11:58 PM

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I mean their pfp is Pre-Calculus homework answers (apparently)

sudden path Oct 3, 2020, 12:02 AM

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I'm still not buying the grille until they buff the camo. Love the waffle, but I'm not dealing with getting spotted everytime I shoot.

nimble zodiac Oct 3, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I will, but that's because I'm fine with a 1300 trade in 183 ;)

austere citrus Oct 3, 2020, 12:18 AM

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How about no nerfs and just new tank lines?

turbid smelt Oct 3, 2020, 3:30 AM

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grille is unnspotable if you play it at range of 280m

I run rammer, camonet, gun laying, drive, refined gun, both chocolate rations and level 5 camo skill

gun is good enough at that range

winged barn Oct 3, 2020, 4:13 AM

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You gotta get that camo skill higher

My unstealthy tanks are stealthily than a noobs stealth tanks

jagged crescent Oct 3, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Chick went bye bye.
This Egurl did not last long

flat bane Oct 3, 2020, 5:24 AM

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👀
👄 Say what now?

jagged crescent Oct 3, 2020, 5:30 AM

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I said nothing suspicious

indigo knot Oct 3, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Tbh all TDs are trash in the current meta...
If you want to play a TD play E100
And I feel Grille is one of worst among all TDs
Camo ratings, Traverse, Bloom and -5 Gun depression over the sides hold it back a lot
It doesn't even have fully traverseable turret like WT PZ 4
At the end it is a map dependent tank not versatile enough to do the job that you might be able to do in 268

turbid smelt Oct 3, 2020, 6:55 AM

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@indigo knot grille has -4° on front and at very edge of gun arc it has 8°

frosty oriole Oct 3, 2020, 8:51 AM

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wouldnt the worst TD tier for tier be something like the vindicator UM or t28?

remote oriole Oct 3, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Vindicator op

scarlet fjord Oct 3, 2020, 9:33 AM

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nerf Vickers CR already its giving me mental illness

deft owl Oct 3, 2020, 9:43 AM

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wouldnt the worst TD tier for tier be something like the vindicator UM or t28?
@frosty oriole I go with St emil.

nocturne mauve Oct 3, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Vindicator is worse than ST Emil

turbid smelt Oct 3, 2020, 10:14 AM

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st emil is very good

worst would be t28 proto or t28

lone warren Oct 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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T28 should at least get its HP pool buffed up to Ferdinand / AT-15 levels.

karmic steeple Oct 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

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There’s so many things wrong about the t28 they just need to rework the tank entirely

sinful leaf Oct 3, 2020, 12:35 PM

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I can already see the T28 being worse tier for tier than AT 7

nimble zodiac Oct 3, 2020, 12:43 PM

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At least AT 7 has a meme on it

marsh mauve Oct 3, 2020, 1:04 PM

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.

frosty oriole Oct 3, 2020, 1:14 PM

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maybe give t-28 mobility so its like a 400 alpha isu
or at least pretty good traverse speed

gleaming apexBOT Oct 3, 2020, 1:17 PM

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dynoSuccess _V_I_P_E_R_lgmr#1324 has been warned.

karmic steeple Oct 3, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Or give it the good armor the line is supposed to have

marsh mauve Oct 3, 2020, 1:24 PM

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K

winged barn Oct 3, 2020, 2:07 PM

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The at7 actually has a usable (but situational) armor profile.
The t28 armor only holds up against stock tier 7s

sinful leaf Oct 3, 2020, 2:50 PM

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T28 is just bad, for it being slower than AT 7 the armor is easily penned frontally by any tier 8 with prammo, and the side armor is more vulnerable than AT 7. Looks like I have to take back that first claim, even though AT 7 is still bad.

jagged crescent Oct 3, 2020, 3:47 PM

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when was the last time a mobile bunker in blitz actually WORKED as a mobile bunker?

distant river Oct 3, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Blitz doesn't really fit mobile bunkers because of the fast games, but the E3 works very well because of the speed boost. Maybe the kranvagn will be the same too 🤷‍♀️

raven dawn Oct 3, 2020, 4:28 PM

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T28 deserves 250mm of frontal armor on all plates cmon it has cupolas

Yeah give it 1450 hp

nimble zodiac Oct 3, 2020, 4:29 PM

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More than that, we don't want it to become a flipping gold n' go tank, also maybe it should have more HP

drowsy plaza Oct 3, 2020, 4:31 PM

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T30 has less HP than tier 7 tanks...

drowsy idol Oct 3, 2020, 4:32 PM

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tiger p moment

real bison Oct 3, 2020, 4:33 PM

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T28 deserves 250mm of frontal armor on all plates cmon it has cupolas

Yeah give it 1450 hp
@raven dawn agreed

dull osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:15 PM

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nerf smasher

heady grotto Oct 3, 2020, 5:16 PM

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T30 has less HP than tier 7 tanks...
@drowsy plaza
Finally someone who sees what I was talking about

mental pasture Oct 3, 2020, 5:21 PM

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T28 deserves 250mm of frontal armor on all plates cmon it has cupolas

Yeah give it 1450 hp
I agree, but maybe only a bit more than 250? Prammo can still penetrate it, what about 270?@raven dawn

nocturne mauve Oct 3, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Don’t nerf smasher

wise dirge Oct 3, 2020, 6:22 PM

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It will slowly be indirectly nerfed, everything around it will get better but it will stay the same, aka powercrept

minor minnow Oct 3, 2020, 7:31 PM

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That just sounds like nerfing with extra steps

drowsy idol Oct 3, 2020, 7:50 PM

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synonym of nerfing

wise dirge Oct 3, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I mean, the people with the tank would be mad if they nerfed it directly, so yeah

raven dawn Oct 3, 2020, 9:56 PM

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@mental pasture 270 maybe.. seems a bit much for t8 but maybe

mental pasture Oct 3, 2020, 9:57 PM

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T28 was meant to be a T95 of the tier 8, impenetrable front and only penetrable on weakspots like cupolas @raven dawn

250mm is already pretty easy to pen with most of TDs

silk stirrup Oct 3, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Coming soon

📎 IMG_0226.PNG

mental pasture Oct 3, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Where did you take this? @silk stirrup

dense walrus Oct 3, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Amx M4 54, it is currently in public testing.

empty glacier Oct 3, 2020, 11:11 PM

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What is that? @silk stirrup

round bluff Oct 3, 2020, 11:13 PM

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is7 w gun depression and accuracy

minor minnow Oct 4, 2020, 12:30 AM

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And more damage, mobility, hull and turret armor. Am I missing anything?

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 12:38 AM

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probably the fact no one likes it in wot pc

heavy yarrow Oct 4, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Not much can pen it when it’s hull down

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nimble zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 12:40 AM

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IS-7 probs faster tho, and more troll side armor

Top sped

sinful leaf Oct 4, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Lol no, IS-7 has lackluster P/W compared to this broken French boi

winged barn Oct 4, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Calibrated is4 heat. Note that those hatches are completely hidden while using gun depression

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heavy yarrow Oct 4, 2020, 12:50 AM

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All stats are subject to change without notice. Also check jag and 268s Cali heat I think it’s 418mm

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autumn zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Ho-Ri Type III is liable to go through it, so there is a counter if necessary

sudden path Oct 4, 2020, 1:14 AM

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The problem is that of only a hori running cali can actually reliably pen. That's a problem

winged barn Oct 4, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Hmmm. "Reliably"

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drowsy idol Oct 4, 2020, 2:52 AM

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when this gets introduced thered be 3 horis per battle

karmic steeple Oct 4, 2020, 3:02 AM

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For sure for sure

heavy yarrow Oct 4, 2020, 4:04 AM

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@winged barn can you show a 268 or jag using Cali heat ?

raven dawn Oct 4, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Bruh wg needs to stop it with the completely broken tanks
I mean seriously this thing is absolutely broken there is no argument not even calibrated ho ri/jgpze100 premmo will be penetrating this thing reliably
Great speed
Decent gun
God armor
Legit a tier 11 tank bruh

Wg cant even argue on this one

It needs its speed and side armor nerfed a crap ton and the hull armor nerfed as well especially lower glacias

karmic portal Oct 4, 2020, 4:07 AM

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@heavy yarrow it would probably be 50/50 if it pens or not on flat ground.

thick rover Oct 4, 2020, 4:17 AM

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maybe we should wait for release

winged barn Oct 4, 2020, 4:45 AM

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@heavy yarrow
Ho ri has better pen for angles

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minor minnow Oct 4, 2020, 5:14 AM

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The fact that this hasn’t been nerfed or hasn’t had any records of a nerf to my knowledge is definitely concerning. I feel like this’ll be a whole T-22 Medium situation, except a hell of a lot more expensive since it’s coming for the Christmas event

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 5:31 AM

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If it doesn’t get nerfed before coming in gg wp. Impenetrable tank... so stupid to play against in pubs as u really can’t pen it. Also if it is like this it will be double t22 price with crates forever. Cause t22 is at least easily pen able in the front.

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 6:55 AM

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panther/m10 kinda needs a buff.
its literally panther but with a worse gun. You Just get penned near the gun mauntlet
so i think it really needs some armor buff because its literally useless

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I’m gonna say this again panther is literally free and superior in every way so why aren’t you using it

compact nymph Oct 4, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Precisely. The only advantage is the gun depression. In that case get a Comet, it’s free aswell.

full token Oct 4, 2020, 7:20 AM

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@raven dawn Youre complaining about a tank being OP while in testing. The whole purpose of testing is to try and balance out these tanks

@turbid smelt They do nerfs when they release updates. It might be too much to send out an update just to nerf a test tank that only testers play. Might even be too early for WG to nerf a tank, since if they leave it with the stats for longer they’ll get a better idea of how much to nerf it. I don’t recall any other test tanks being nerfed in an update that was sent out just for that nerf. It’s always been the main updates that bring the nerf for those tanks

turbid smelt Oct 4, 2020, 7:23 AM

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@full token I think that player is emphasizing more on why that test tank hasn't received any balance unlike other test tanks which received it pretty quick in comparison.

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 7:37 AM

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@unique scaffold so you mean we are Just going to dump bad tanks and play the good ones
wtf my guy, i have every right to play any tank and also i play with panther too, i was Just comparing it and panther m10 does deserve an armor buff because the other stuff (gun, Pen) are kinda the same, only gun depression isnt but yeah it does need an armor buff

spiral gust Oct 4, 2020, 7:40 AM

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The tortoise NEEDS a buff. According to logic, tanks with great armour are very slow, but the tortoise... with a max speed of 20, with even the maus being faster than this while having the best armour in the game, yea the tortoise needs an armour buff quite obviously. Why is it so slow if it’s got NO armour??

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 7:43 AM

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There’s nothing wrong with having bad tanks it’s how balance works it’s boring and repetitive for gameplay to have every tank similar to each other or “balanced” and since you do drive both I don’t know why your complaining about m10 if your willing driving it and aware of its inferiority to the normal panther while complaining about that

turbid smelt Oct 4, 2020, 7:45 AM

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@spiral gust tort has nice gun, cheap hesh and shortening tortoise to tort in rushain means cake

compact nymph Oct 4, 2020, 7:59 AM

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@spiral gust the tort being bad (like the previous tanks in the line) gets players used to drive slow tanks with no armor, so they are prepared for the worst T10 in the game. Leave it as it is.

silk stirrup Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 AM

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It’s CURRENTLY the most broken t 10

fiery dagger Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 AM

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It's more like toxic but trash. A tank with such big caliber can never be completely balanced.

silk stirrup Oct 4, 2020, 9:28 AM

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It goes 45 mph

fiery dagger Oct 4, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Oh. I tought you were also talking about the 183.

atomic summit Oct 4, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Found a weak spot guys

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full token Oct 4, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Weak tank wow

meager spruce Oct 4, 2020, 10:48 AM

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just wait until the gun gets pointed slightlu down, making the mantlet cover the weakspot of nearly 290mm

atomic summit Oct 4, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Still pennable

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full token Oct 4, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Basically a pixel hunt when you try to aim at that. It’s even harder when you are further from the tank, or if the enemy has the brains to move their tank around when hull down

distant river Oct 4, 2020, 11:00 AM

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You wouldn't expect to hit that reliably in a face hug against a stationary opponent let alone at distance, and you would still have to use prammo anyway...

atomic summit Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 AM

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It has the best turret turn rate of all heavies and maybe competes with t10 meds? Its like a med with absolutely broken armor.
I've played twice vs this tank in a maus and he totally rekted me.

remote oriole Oct 4, 2020, 11:49 AM

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It was obvious from the start that it’s op, and WG must have know that they are op (assuming that they are not completely oblivious to their game), so I wonder why they would even bother testing such a tank. Do they test that it’s op indeed, in the “ah yes, the floor is made of floor” fashion?

And about nerfing before release, shouldn’t they test the nerfed version/ a more balanced version and not ridiculously strong tanks?

atomic summit Oct 4, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Well.. that's WG. You can expect everything from them except balancing their game. Also the testers were so lucky given this tank. I've seen one with 3.5k avg dmg and 105 aces

hearty steeple Oct 4, 2020, 12:10 PM

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I am fairly certain at this point that's exactly what they do. Idk for what reason, maybe to collect more data on how op tanks can get(a social experiment perhaps) but this isn't the first time they have put a broken test tank and then balance it right before release

frosty oriole Oct 4, 2020, 1:11 PM

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first of all, it needs like 30-50mm side armor, a very weak lower plate, and a slightly nerfed upper plate with like halved turret traverse. in that regard, I think the tank would play similar to the mle 49 and Id think it would be pretty cool

muted rampart Oct 4, 2020, 1:18 PM

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@frosty oriole I agree

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 2:11 PM

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It needs to be able to be penned by premium rounds for some heavies and most tds

atomic summit Oct 4, 2020, 2:46 PM

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It doesnt have to be penned by any round on the upper plate

full token Oct 4, 2020, 2:47 PM

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It’s nice that it’s in testing still, so it’ll get a good nerf before release. Just a shame that a good line with tanks like this was turned into Collectors

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 2:54 PM

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@atomic summit if the upper plate is impenetrable with the impenetrable turret then it is impenetrable which means the places around the mantlet should be able to be penned by premium or the upper plate should be penned by 380 mm

jagged crescent Oct 4, 2020, 3:11 PM

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The most reliably weak spot is probably the lower plate. But isn’t that thing like sharply angled as well

round bluff Oct 4, 2020, 4:27 PM

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two guys suggested panther m10 and tortoise buffs last night, and you guys found a way to tell them no 🤦

nimble zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Oh dang that's tragic, but can AMX M4 mle 54 get a nerf?

I'm glad it can't sidescrape super reliably

dense yoke Oct 4, 2020, 4:32 PM

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It is a test tank. atm.

turbid smelt Oct 4, 2020, 4:32 PM

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@round bluff nehehehehe

jagged crescent Oct 4, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Nerf nerf nerf hhehehe

raven dawn Oct 4, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Every tank should have their own separate playstyle and still be as strong as each other in overall battle-effectiveness
Its not a bad thing to have tanks that are all balanced as long as they are still unique.
Ive seen tons of games with balanced classes and they’re still fun. Each tank should have an equal battle effectiveness

Idk why people WANT op tanks and then crappy tanks. Some tanks should be harder to use, BUT NOT INFERIOR OVERALL or in battle effectiveness

muted rampart Oct 4, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Bruh

latent snow Oct 4, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Panther m10 is pay to lose lol

hardy hazel Oct 4, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Every tank should have their own separate playstyle and still be as strong as each other in overall battle-effectiveness
Its not a bad thing to have tanks that are all balanced as long as they are still unique.
Ive seen tons of games with balanced classes and they’re still fun. Each tank should have an equal battle effectiveness

Idk why people WANT op tanks and then crappy tanks. Some tanks should be harder to use, BUT NOT INFERIOR OVERALL or in battle effectiveness
Because they want to oneshot everything but not get oneshoted, if everything is balanced or op then theres no way they can oneshot things, thats why.

jagged crescent Oct 4, 2020, 6:38 PM

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It’s almost like people are inherently selfish and are always looking for shortcuts

nimble zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Haha new mostly broken tank lines in the game go brrrrrr-cough cough nevermind

jagged crescent Oct 4, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Then let’s add the 60tp for a balanced experience

hardy hazel Oct 4, 2020, 7:19 PM

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What is so good about 60TP? I see a lot of ppl asking for that tank to come into the game

autumn zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Think IS-4 but with the gun of E 100 and you basically have 60 TP

fiery dagger Oct 4, 2020, 7:42 PM

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In my opinion, if we give it ~3° gun depression, that limits it enough not to be Op and have an unique playstyle.

jagged crescent Oct 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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An IS4 with the e100 gun, but it also has gun depression

Very balanced

wise dirge Oct 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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They will give it the kranvagn treatment

hardy hazel Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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That explains everything, thx

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Ahh yes 3 gun depression will solve all problems and totally not be a pain to deal with

cinder sage Oct 4, 2020, 9:43 PM

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will the new french t10 be comp or no

minor minnow Oct 4, 2020, 9:46 PM

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In its current state most likely. It’s broken as hell, armor miles stronger than a maus with the mobility of a 50B

winged barn Oct 4, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Maus does not have actual weakspots, so that is a poor comparison

dreamy oar Oct 4, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I have feeling that wg isn’t going to nerf(balance) it when it comes to the main game

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2020, 9:55 PM

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They did it to 30B when it was in testing which took a while for it to come out

latent snow Oct 4, 2020, 9:57 PM

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And also nerfed the Su 130 pm, Sheridan, vk 100 after testing

mental pasture Oct 4, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Honestly I don't remember the Vk 100 nerf

jagged crescent Oct 4, 2020, 11:40 PM

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i dont remember the sheri being nerfed in testing

autumn zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

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@mental pasture VK 100 received a nerf to the Cupola and lower glacis as the Cupola was 220mm all around and the Lower glacis was something similar

sinful leaf Oct 5, 2020, 1:22 AM

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VK 100 also used to have really good accuracy for a gun of its caliber, but then they nerfed that too because people camped in the tank because of that(why even camp in a superheavy to begin with, it's incomprehensible to me)...

jagged crescent Oct 5, 2020, 1:35 AM

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lazy

hardy hazel Oct 5, 2020, 1:51 AM

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The camping heavy, thats a "big" problem rn

surreal grail Oct 5, 2020, 2:00 AM

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tf am I meant to do in this situation (prammo still wouldnt pen)

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drowsy idol Oct 5, 2020, 2:17 AM

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you run

jk

hearty steeple Oct 5, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Firstly carry prammo. You are a lower tier tank with one of the worst pens in that tier. What are you even doing without prammo

And your tank is decently mobile. Get to the side or rear and Don't aim at the spaced armour strip. Here you just let a strong high tier heavy push your med.

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Judging by his position on the map for some reason he was contesting the wz on the hills and decided to back up in a straight line and let it come to him instead of just driving to the upper right if you still have the replay we can see how you could have avoided this

round bluff Oct 5, 2020, 2:29 AM

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this is the part where we sit back and imagine the perfect game then shame you for not enacting it out in realtime

winged barn Oct 5, 2020, 2:30 AM

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But really, there is nothing a t43 (or any tier 7 meds except panther) can do to tier 8 heavies

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2020, 2:39 AM

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He was also very isolated from his team. Map awareness?

nimble zodiac Oct 5, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Celestial is one of the hardest tanks to pen in tier 8 in general...

@minor minnow oh but ISU exists

minor minnow Oct 5, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Mhm. Most TD’s will have trouble with it, ik I do at least

winged barn Oct 5, 2020, 2:55 AM

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If dies to my t34 easily though

orchid grove Oct 5, 2020, 3:02 AM

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@surreal grail Ez. You drive to your left (his right), and you get his side, and then circle around to his rear because he's isolated

nimble zodiac Oct 5, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Wait up, don’t you mean your right and his left?

full token Oct 5, 2020, 3:05 AM

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He isn’t going anywhere with that HP, unless he magically bounces a tier 8 heavy a couple of times

surreal grail Oct 5, 2020, 3:05 AM

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@round bluff thankyou

compact sigil Oct 5, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Not really pushing for one, but has there been any plans for a Vickers CR nerf?

surreal grail Oct 5, 2020, 3:17 AM

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@orchid grove his traverse speed is too great for that

orchid grove Oct 5, 2020, 3:22 AM

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@nimble zodiac Yeah, I mixed it up

gray breach Oct 5, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Is the chariteer good for sniping and flanking?

surreal grail Oct 5, 2020, 3:56 AM

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@rare mauve because I'm very lazy

gray breach Oct 5, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Ok thx

rare mauve Oct 5, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Why is your username the same for all of your platforms
@surreal grail
Just edit so we don’t have to wait 10min
Got it, understood

low needle Oct 5, 2020, 4:17 AM

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@surreal grail run obviously. Why would you stay to fight a higher tier heavy tank when ur in a russian med

surreal grail Oct 5, 2020, 4:52 AM

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@low needle he was about to finish his reload so there was nothing I could do except raise my gun o7

dull osprey Oct 5, 2020, 4:55 AM

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comet needs a bit of a buff

hardy hazel Oct 5, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Yes? What do you think it needs, because "comet needs buff" doesnt tell me what need to be buffed

rare mauve Oct 5, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Ah yes
Mmhm
Comet needs buff
Much brain

low needle Oct 5, 2020, 5:11 AM

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@surreal grail i see. Welp if u see heavies rushing that position next time its better to run away quick

surreal grail Oct 5, 2020, 5:12 AM

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@low needle they werent spotted until they were right at the top of the hill rippppppp

dull osprey Oct 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

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comet needs a bit more armor

low needle Oct 5, 2020, 5:23 AM

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@dull osprey i think you need to understand british mediums better

round bluff Oct 5, 2020, 5:26 AM

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mb not armor, but definitely some accuracy on the move would help it keep up

hardy hazel Oct 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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I agree on that one

muted rampart Oct 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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@round bluff or aiming Time. In current state, without equipment comet is aiming longer than reloading xD

surreal grail Oct 5, 2020, 6:30 AM

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@round bluff or aiming Time. In current state, without equipment comet is aiming longer than reloading xD
@muted rampart XDDDD thats actuallly true

winged barn Oct 5, 2020, 8:21 AM

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Serious armor buffs have occurred while no pen buffs to the old tanks have. Dpm is great, but it becomes pointless if you have to shoot 50% prammo.

shy light Oct 5, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Ive been playing the Comet a lot for the E75 TS grind, and I really like that tank. Its amour isnt that great, but you get occasional bounces. The problem with the British mediums for me is the DPM of the higher tiers. The Comet with topgun has 2651, FV4202 2882.

winged barn Oct 5, 2020, 8:58 AM

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HESH noises

terse drum Oct 5, 2020, 9:40 AM

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M26 Pershing need a bad Buff becouse it's bad ....
Bad pen
Cant shoot on move - slow aim time
Slow tank overall
Bad DPM
Turret okay but nothing amazing
Like most tier 7 meds are Better

vital basalt Oct 5, 2020, 10:44 AM

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turret is also not that good,it only has 203mm gun mantlet which is penetrable for almost all tier 8s

noble quail Oct 5, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Yeah the Pershing needs a buff tbh together with the other american mediums

They are not commonly seen in battle bacause no one wants them if the tier 10 isn't that worth it, the stb is basically better in almost every way than the M48

Although that line has decent view range that not everyone cares about

coarse harness Oct 5, 2020, 1:51 PM

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The T20 and the Pershing need better DPM imo
On the other line give the T54E1 HE shells finally

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2020, 2:01 PM

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The tier 10 vk 72 is way too op

frosty oriole Oct 5, 2020, 2:08 PM

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bruh

noble quail Oct 5, 2020, 2:10 PM

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The T20 and the Pershing need better DPM imo
On the other line give the T54E1 HE shells finally
yeah, a dpm buff on the T20 and pershing will be nice in my opinion, also the pen of the standard round of the Pershing and T20 is a bit lacking tbh

oh yeah, why did that tank didn't have HE anyways on the top gun

hearty steeple Oct 5, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Pen is still workable but the lack of dpm is painful especially since they don't really have reliable armour

zealous sun Oct 5, 2020, 2:15 PM

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T54e1 needs armor or something.. It sucks due to its size, and it has had the lowest avg. WR of all tier 9 meds. Grinding through it rn, it's horrible.

Actually, not armor, but more HPs to survive shots. I noticed its such a large tank but has less HP than most other Meds at T9 and it makes no sense.

distant river Oct 5, 2020, 2:25 PM

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T54E1 is an absolutely beautiful tank to play, agile at close range despite being kinda sluggish over distance, troll armour that suits it's supporting playstyle and the very nice gun with 2.5 intraclip. Its just so comfortable to play.

I find that a lot of tanks people want a buff for are second line support tanks because people just can't seem to play them. 🤷‍♀️

noble quail Oct 5, 2020, 2:28 PM

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When I got the T54E1 it's a good tank and that Autoloader is good. Yeah it's sluggish, it's an M48 Patton hull slapped with a heavier turret, that's why it's slow

I don't have any big problems with it, aside from the lack of HE shells

But still that 930 burst damage is good for ripping down opponents

if the shells manage to pen

zealous sun Oct 5, 2020, 2:32 PM

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I can almost guarentee im just not good at it XD, but sometimes it (I) really does suck tho. maybe just a nice little +100hp would be epic

turbid smelt Oct 5, 2020, 2:34 PM

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@zealous sun you can practice on chi ri to get hang of t54e1

they both are lovely fun tonks

compact nymph Oct 5, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Agreed regarding the Chi-Ri. It's way better than the stats tell.

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I just wish the 54e1 had HE...

round bluff Oct 5, 2020, 4:18 PM

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T54E1 is an absolutely beautiful tank to play, agile at close range despite being kinda sluggish over distance, troll armour that suits it's supporting playstyle and the very nice gun with 2.5 intraclip. Its just so comfortable to play.

I find that a lot of tanks people want a buff for are second line support tanks because people just can't seem to play them. 🤷‍♀️
Because second line support is what you call a tank thats not good for anything in particular. ST-1 is a hulldown beast, e75 is a brawler, wt4 is a great sniper, etc. Then consider something like the 54e1 which gets overshadowed by most mediums, every heavy and some tds in the tier. Yeah, at that rate you're forced to be a 'support' tank. Thats what mediocre/bad tanks resort to, and thats wat you end up calling them.

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Yeah e1 need something imo. Maybe you can make the hull or turret more troll cause it’s very easy to kill

distant river Oct 5, 2020, 4:43 PM

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WT is much better as second line support, and no all second line support tanks are not bad. Just because it doesn't have impenetrable armour or camo and accuracy it doesn't mean it's bad, it just doesn't fit into playstyles that require less skill. The only med that really takes the T54E1s place is the standard B (second line support, not a bad tank) and that thing is just broken. It still can't beat the 2.5 intraclip which is the best at its tier (excluding the BCs stock gun), and the T54E1 actually bounces as well. You might not like it but second line support is definitely a playstyle that great tanks can fit into, and while the T54E1 isn't great it's decent.

coarse harness Oct 5, 2020, 4:58 PM

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That's the only tank in the tier without HE for no reason

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Even if it does have he it won’t be used really ever

coarse harness Oct 5, 2020, 5:10 PM

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You only notice the lack of HE when you really need it

drowsy idol Oct 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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that’s why people complain bout smasher

distant river Oct 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I played one game in it just to remind myself how nice it was and I saw the back of a standard B and tried to use HE, basically giving it normal HE shells is the only possible thing that might need changing

coarse sinew Oct 5, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Use 0 line tanks eZ

coarse harness Oct 5, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Even if it's just some crappy 350 alpha HE still better
380 alpha HE would be wonderful tho

autumn zodiac Oct 5, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Or you know, it could have 400 alpha HE cause it's a medium and so is Standard B

cerulean gorge Oct 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Can someome FIX T95E6 ?
Removing its heavy status and puting it like a medium since there s no Heavyum class
Removing its bad cupola and placing it with the E5 s cupola
Buffing its speed to 48 km/h
And making our money paid to that more worth it
And who says it is fine its Bcs didnt play with it or just didnt see it beeing Hesh'ed in the cupola like butter , 228 mm doesnt bouce most of common rounds , gold im not even gonna talk abt
Just remove its cupola and its gonna be great
Aaaaand i am not even gonna talk about the guys that know what they're doing , aways pen the cupola .
WHO say it CAN bouce
Its ok but thats not what happens 80% of the time
Most of Tier 10 s today have 228 + ap pen
+320 to 420 gold rounds
The maximum Mm achieved in that cupola is around 310

autumn zodiac Oct 5, 2020, 10:18 PM

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It's fine, the cupola is 220mm and it's more bouncy than you think

The "knob" doesn't actually count as armor.

rare mauve Oct 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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The cupola is huge I agree. The main problem I see is that weird knob thing on the side of the turret.
But everything else about it looks decent

drowsy idol Oct 5, 2020, 10:22 PM

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i can bounce e6s cupola with prem shells

regal grove Oct 5, 2020, 10:33 PM

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imagine taking money out of your wallet to a tank that you already knew had this many problems lmfao

drowsy idol Oct 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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i n d e e d

frosty oriole Oct 5, 2020, 10:51 PM

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maybe he got it from a cr8

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Dude wants it buffed when he could have just got an E5 instead

jagged crescent Oct 5, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Epic gamer moment

rare mauve Oct 5, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I never bought it
E5 grind is so not-hard anyways

drowsy idol Oct 5, 2020, 11:25 PM

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yes there’s a t1 heavy and t29 to support you

sinful leaf Oct 5, 2020, 11:52 PM

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I never bought it
E5 grind is so not-hard anyways
@rare mauve T32 has entered the chat

rare mauve Oct 5, 2020, 11:52 PM

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meh

tiny snow Oct 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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T1 is one of my favorite tier 5s

hardy hazel Oct 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Tier 5 eww

orchid grove Oct 6, 2020, 12:59 AM

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T32 is actually good. Solid turret with -10 gun depression, decent mobility that can be boosted by the EPB, >2100 HP, good enough DPM/alpha.

Only thing bad about it is the pen, and the pen isn't even that bad

Fully aimed dispersion isn't great, but at least it's better than the 122s in the tier, and the aim time is ok as well. Gun handling is also good enough for a 105 at .21/.21.

Overall, the accuracy is fine

sinful leaf Oct 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I'd like an answer about le accuracy

winged barn Oct 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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T32 is one of few tanks that can take bl10 shots. I see no problems with it.
And you can aim as long as you want and take as many shots as you want with the turret it has

crystal spoke Oct 6, 2020, 2:52 AM

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At first I hated the tank then when I came back after getting good I found it fantastic (it was my first t8) way back when

minor minnow Oct 6, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Tbh I think the worst tank in the E5 line is maybe the M103, even then it’s tolerable

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 AM

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I could not complete the e75 ts event - was sick af, a pet died and I had uni exams 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

earnest crest Oct 6, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Buff the atgm velocity or maneuverability, since it’s not broken or op

pseudo hedge Oct 6, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Buff the atgm velocity or maneuverability, since it’s not broken or op
@earnest crest that maneuverability nerf is the reason there less broken. Still broken.

earnest crest Oct 6, 2020, 4:34 AM

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It’s not broken, ppl use the atgms more, still not broken. If it is broken after nerf, it didn’t change anything but gameplay. if not buff the maneuverability, buff the atgm range to 400. The AMX m4 mle 54 is more broken than the atgms, the AMX has 560 mm of average armor on the front. I used the Sheridan against it, didn’t work, has one of the fastest traverse speed in tier 10, also, large 480 dmg alpha. The traverse is way to op, same as the bat chat, plus has 2400 hit points. And the trollest armor I’ve ever seen, once the AMX is hull down on a hill, you’ll never pen the front 500mm hull armor

jagged crescent Oct 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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If it's neither broken nor op then there's no point in changing the parameters.

full token Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 AM

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When you say that a tank in testing is more broken than a tank that’s already been tested, adjusted and released 🤦‍♂️

jagged crescent Oct 6, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Massive brain

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Ignore that dude he’s known for having insanely bad opinions and ideas @full token @jagged crescent

frosty oriole Oct 6, 2020, 6:08 AM

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E 75 transsexual?

thick rover Oct 6, 2020, 6:52 AM

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ok

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 7:34 AM

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XD yep... That's why I wanted it so bad

dense yoke Oct 6, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Are the swedish heavies armor like m6 exp? Good frontal armor, crappy sidearmor?

atomic summit Oct 6, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Are the swedish heavies armor like m6 exp? Good frontal armor, crappy sidearmor?
@dense yoke
The amx mle 54 is more like the M6 exp
Atleast.. it has to be.

muted rampart Oct 6, 2020, 9:06 AM

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@atomic summit but it Has 120 on sides xD

minor minnow Oct 6, 2020, 10:13 AM

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It’s not broken, ppl use the atgms more, still not broken. If it is broken after nerf, it didn’t change anything but gameplay. if not buff the maneuverability, buff the atgm range to 400. The AMX m4 mle 54 is more broken than the atgms, the AMX has 560 mm of average armor on the front. I used the Sheridan against it, didn’t work, has one of the fastest traverse speed in tier 10, also, large 480 dmg alpha. The traverse is way to op, same as the bat chat, plus has 2400 hit points. And the trollest armor I’ve ever seen, once the AMX is hull down on a hill, you’ll never pen the front 500mm hull armor
Oh yeah, omega brain

snow horizon Oct 6, 2020, 10:28 AM

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oh

fleet wraith Oct 6, 2020, 10:28 AM

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scarlet hazel Oct 6, 2020, 10:29 AM

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yeah u think wargaming is gonna add somthing with 500mm of armmor?

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 10:29 AM

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How is the 252U not there wtf

naive trellis Oct 6, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Wow the ferdinand is pretty high

distant river Oct 6, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Vickers light best med in the game rn 👌
Only the STB has higher WR and it still has lower average damage and the Vickers is supposed to be a light tank

ember thunder Oct 6, 2020, 10:30 AM

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How is the 252U not there wtf
@unique scaffold cuz reasons

merry verge Oct 6, 2020, 10:31 AM

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no nerf to vickers yet huh?

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Can leopard have armour around 220mm?

full token Oct 6, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Tier IX vickers too weak. Has been at bottom of the charts since release

frosty zinc Oct 6, 2020, 10:37 AM

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what did you say 😄

Tier IX vickers too weak. Has been at bottom of the charts since release
@full token

wide badger Oct 6, 2020, 10:37 AM

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How about an SU-101 buff lol... I suggest the SU-152's 152mm cannon for the memes

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 10:38 AM

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The T-34-2 needs a buff it’s the worst tier 8 med

coarse harness Oct 6, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Give this thing 120mm on those cheeks cmon guys

📎 IMG_20201006_123725.jpg

indigo knot Oct 6, 2020, 10:39 AM

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@lusty silo any future plans of tanks rebalancing
like nerfing HTs

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Lol probably not, if anything we can expect a buff to TD’s to counter the current heavy meta

toxic cove Oct 6, 2020, 10:46 AM

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ye, lets buff what is already OP

plush perch Oct 6, 2020, 10:46 AM

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nerf vickers line

distant river Oct 6, 2020, 10:46 AM

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The 113FT really could use a buff, the 183 deserves to be awful but 113FT hasn't done anything wrong to deserve stats that bad. The armour is just laughable from the front and it only gets worse on the sides and the consumables didn't help at all. There's no reason to not buff the cheeks because it will still have the lower plate, and maybe even a dpm buff as well?

candid steeple Oct 6, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Just a lower plate as a weak point is kind of uf. Tho I am in for a dpm buff. Tank is pretty luckluster in every single way. Ho-Ri compeltly outshined it because there way to many things going for it. At least WG was smart enough to nerf its armor an not make it be unpnatratable from the front.

full token Oct 6, 2020, 10:49 AM

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I don’t understand how the Vickers CR hasn’t been touched even after being at the top of the charts since release

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I feel the WZ113FT is a great tank

distant river Oct 6, 2020, 11:02 AM

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I'm pretty sure WG want the Vickers line to stay strong otherwise tourneys would quite easily be 6/7 heavies maybe one med in a straight out war of attrition, and that wouldn't exactly reflect well on the meta. It makes no difference for the normal games but it works just about for tourneys I think.

They then want to keep the CR as op to encourage people to grind it and to give people some op tank to complain about instead of the heavies.

That's about the best excuse I can think of (and it's an awful excuse) but it just about works

candid steeple Oct 6, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Its not fun that two new light lines got 10 degree of gun dipresion an slam you with high alpha damage guns. And plus they don't have weak pen. Its so fun when t92 hits you for 600 damage just exposing its turret and snapping a shot at you because its pen allows it.

nocturne mauve Oct 6, 2020, 11:21 AM

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This is an example of the OP gun handling

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noble quail Oct 6, 2020, 11:23 AM

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is that a low roll on the regular ammo?or it's from the stock gun?

I'm kind of thinking thats from the T92E1's stock gun

full token Oct 6, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Yep. Average is 560

ember thunder Oct 6, 2020, 11:24 AM

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buff is7 and make it gr8 again com on bois

turbid smelt Oct 6, 2020, 11:25 AM

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@nocturne mauve Idk mate even kv 2 can pull that one off against rhm in 150m range

nocturne mauve Oct 6, 2020, 11:32 AM

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Well at least you can hit KV 2 back reliably, because it ain’t small, flat and quick

turbid smelt Oct 6, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Its not fun that two new light lines got 10 degree of gun dipresion an slam you with high alpha damage guns. And plus they don't have weak pen. Its so fun when t92 hits you for 600 damage just exposing its turret and snapping a shot at you because its pen allows it.
@candid steeple its penetration level is slightly worse than that of t54

first nitpick against t54 is its penetration level

@cloudemoji t92 waited for reticle for gun 1-2s before hitting rhm

t92 can be penned with he by all big gun or hesh guns

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Plus the T92 has shockingly bad pen at 210 base
@primal mountain i don’t believe the 252U doesn’t have enough players, chimera maybe but the 252U would be played thousands of times a day

primal mountain Oct 6, 2020, 11:42 AM

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How is the 252U not there wtf
@unique scaffold
WG does not show stats for tanks with less players. There are other tanks missing too from the list like Chimera, T28, etc. You can check relative player numbers from https://www.blitzstars.com/toptanks (and filter e.g. tier VIII + heavy tanks + USSR)

Here is my view of the tank performance (still 7.1 data, will update 7.2 once 7.3 is out.)
https://i.imgur.com/9j8Gmv1.png
https://blitzanalysiz.com/update/7.1/tanks/8/#the-best-performing-tanks

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Stats analysis of World Of Tanks Blitz

nocturne mauve Oct 6, 2020, 11:46 AM

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@turbid smelt even if he waited a few seconds, that is still bs because he hardly aimed

This is a 152mm light tank

noble quail Oct 6, 2020, 11:51 AM

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rng was with him

dense yoke Oct 6, 2020, 11:57 AM

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What happened to is7? Did is7 get a secret buff?? Are the good player playing is7 again or is it that rng shining brightly ? E: What a pity. Now i have to see more is7 and i wont be the only is7 in my game 😦

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nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2020, 11:58 AM

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People started realizing IS-7 isn’t a bad tank and started playing it correctly

indigo knot Oct 6, 2020, 12:27 PM

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Or IS4 is now new tank of choice to grind for new players

winged barn Oct 6, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I guess I just don't like pike noses. I like to angle a but too much

full token Oct 6, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Is7 got a good HP buff that allowed it to do better against non heavy tanks

coarse harness Oct 6, 2020, 2:01 PM

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IS-4 is boring
At least IS-7 challenging

mystic musk Oct 6, 2020, 2:03 PM

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I can confirm

blissful vigil Oct 6, 2020, 2:05 PM

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100 agreed

winged barn Oct 6, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Is this balance?

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full token Oct 6, 2020, 2:17 PM

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What tank are you talking about from those?

nocturne mauve Oct 6, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Heavy tanks

distant river Oct 6, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Funnily enough if you look at the median and mean of all the other classes, they are pretty much the same. Heavies seem to have about 2% higher stats, and this is in the type of players that should be using lights and meds much more effectively than any other class.

A TD buff isn't what's needed at all, a heavy nerf is.

dense yoke Oct 6, 2020, 2:44 PM

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How much has the foch 155 fallen 😌

rare mauve Oct 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Too much

twilit crystal Oct 6, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Also while the vickers is op it isn't broken besides the view range

plucky pendant Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Pls buff the reload of AMX 50 120, it's so high with 23s. The k91 has only 16s. Pls nerf the k91 or buff the AMX 50 120

full token Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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23 for 1200 vs 16 for 1050. K91 is still quite strong but the 23 for 1200 is necessary. Doesn’t make the tank bad.

earnest crest Oct 6, 2020, 4:15 PM

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It is broken, the atgm mechanic, but how are other tanks going to go against that AMX m4 mle 54? Same traverse speed as a light tank, and armor of a heavy. Circling it wouldn’t work cause of the traverse... @jagged crescent

full token Oct 6, 2020, 4:23 PM

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It’s like you’ve never known of tanks being tested before

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 4:25 PM

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This dude doesn’t know how to balance one either if you search T64 from him

jagged crescent Oct 6, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Have you considered a nerf to the amx

twilit crystal Oct 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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the td buff is so stupid too, WG says there are too many draws so they increase the one class likely to increase those draws,

nocturne mauve Oct 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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What will they buff

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Meds and lights running from the remaining enemy heavies and hiding the rest of the game: 👀

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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It’s insane how disconnected the wargaming teams are from each other

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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It's insane how disconnected people's teammates are from each other

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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It is insane how battles last for a so much longer time now

drowsy idol Oct 6, 2020, 5:09 PM

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it’s insane how battles still lasts 2 and a half minutes

nocturne mauve Oct 6, 2020, 5:19 PM

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It’s insane that heavies have too much HP

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2020, 5:30 PM

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It's insane how people are surprised having more HP means you'll last longer in general

distant river Oct 6, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Its insane lots of the playerbase actually think the HP buff was a good idea (lots of things seem to be insane about this game 🤔)

orchid grove Oct 6, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I supported the HP buff for Maus and E-100, but for everything else it's dumb

full token Oct 6, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Why the Maus buff but not the others

dense yoke Oct 6, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I agree. It is very funny how the Is-4 can have 2.8k hp. If prem had the same damage as normal shell. People would spam them and it would be annoying.

nocturne mauve Oct 6, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Um for a game with reduced premium alpha it was an extremely poor idea, and heavies should rely on armour more instead of being able to bleed longer

civic wadi Oct 6, 2020, 5:42 PM

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true

hardy hazel Oct 6, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Um for a game with reduced premium alpha it was an extremely poor idea, and heavies should rely on armour more instead of being able to bleed longer
Well some IS4 players spam HEAT all day long, even if im playing in a med or a light tank got hit by is4 heat pretty often, and that one guy that was camping in middleburg or whatever is called, pff how annoying.
Leaving my problems aside, i think prammo alpha is ok because you are getting more pen, and i agree, heavys should rely on armor instead of its hp pool, having those two things at the same time looks a lil bit unfair if you ask me

minor minnow Oct 6, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Can I just question how the Ferdinand is the highest performing TD for its tier?

pseudo hedge Oct 6, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Can I just question how the Ferdinand is the highest performing TD for its tier?
@minor minnow no noob grinds it since u can avoid it so only players who WANT to play it also play it. Only my theory

full token Oct 6, 2020, 6:44 PM

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The stats are all for 55-65% players though. So they’re not all noobs and even then, those who still go for the Ferdinand aren’t really going to be better than the others who went for the JpII

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 6:45 PM

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people talking about Heavys that suddenly can do their job for once and are not one shot after being sniped by two tds and I see the Tier 9 charts and dont get why the damm Vickers doesnt get nerfed to the floor in 7.3 🤨

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hardy hazel Oct 6, 2020, 6:52 PM

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So the heavys work is to get penned but not to bounce shots?

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Buff everything’s hp please 🙏. You can farm even more

hardy hazel Oct 6, 2020, 7:06 PM

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If you are going to buff everyone hp, then why dont let it how it is and bring 10vs10 mode? Not as a random battle but a mode you can chose to play if you want, that way you can farm more damage without making everything so stupid

dense yoke Oct 6, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Wotb is a version of wotpc that was purely made for users that are beyond PC. (mobile/Touch) Not every phone can run 10v10. (I personally would like 9v9) With 10v10 we need maps that fit them. Not all phones can run a big map and 19 players. (We gotta consider the old phones) Mabye in the future when everybody got an Asus like phone. Also the dev have answered this #devs-answers.

hardy hazel Oct 6, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Thats why i said "a mode which you can play if you want" switching from 7 to 10 will be a big mistake, but putting 10vs10 just for the ones that can play it will be ok

full token Oct 6, 2020, 8:07 PM

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And that’s what WG doesn’t want, a mode only few can play because their device is good enough, while the others are just completely left out

zenith solar Oct 6, 2020, 8:46 PM

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For now the number on each team is good enough, adding different maps will improve the gameplay. 10vs10 is a long term improvement, I use the Poco F1 with medium graphics otherwise the screen becomes hot.

hardy hazel Oct 6, 2020, 8:59 PM

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I dont mean 7vs7 to be replaced by 10vs10, just to add it as a game mode like uprising and others like that, i know wg cant do that rn because low end devices and such, but thats better than buffing every tank hp

drowsy plaza Oct 6, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Nerf heavy mobility. Right now some tier X heavies are as fast as Meds, and a few can run Meds down when using OP speed boost.

heavy yarrow Oct 6, 2020, 10:01 PM

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What’s your thoughts on the Campvagns speed being nerfed and then being given the op speed boost

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2020, 10:02 PM

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No OP speed boost, just be slow

hushed comet Oct 6, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Nerf heavy mobility. Right now some tier X heavies are as fast as Meds, and a few can run Meds down when using OP speed boost.
@drowsy plaza wz 113 is as fast as t62a. E5 is as fast as e50m. Amx 50 b is as fast as amx 30 b. The e5 with the speed boost rams a 1/4 of the meds hps ez. Kranvagan will be slow, not many complaints there. Just the3 heavies listed above.

winged barn Oct 6, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Kran gets superspeed boost, so it can still run down meds while being "slow"

thick rover Oct 6, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Amx50B as fast as 30B???

drowsy plaza Oct 6, 2020, 11:08 PM

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@winged barn BlitzHangar has it still doing 35 - it cant run down a Fatton at that speed

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@hushed comet IS-7 and IS-4 can go pretty quick, the IS-7 at 50kph is a little ridiculous -- that is 2kph faster than the M60 or Fatton...

dense island Oct 6, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Didnt the is7 used to be faster?
Ah okay so I do remember right that it had a nerf to its mobility before

winged barn Oct 6, 2020, 11:17 PM

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If it can keep up enough to dump shells into them, it is too fast

Is7 used to be able to turn. It had huge traverse and turret traverse nerfs

torpid lotus Oct 6, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I have a small question regarding the t5 pz sfl 4c aka toaster
can you guys give the tank the ability to retract the side flaps to give the tank a fully traversable turret?
it would really help in allowing thw tank to fight

winged barn Oct 6, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Then it wouldn't be much of a toaster

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Toaster, r o t a t e

minor minnow Oct 7, 2020, 12:20 AM

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rotato faster toaster! Go. g O.

jagged crescent Oct 7, 2020, 12:26 AM

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so why dont we just give all the tier x (maybe ix?) meds like +10mm of normal pen?

sour comet Oct 7, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Buff the cent 7/1 Turret

deft owl Oct 7, 2020, 1:14 AM

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@torpid lotus This has been discussed for years. It requires a different mechanic to implement to the game which I certainly wont hope Wg will do that just for a tier 5 collector tank that most people dont even care.

torpid lotus Oct 7, 2020, 1:15 AM

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I care about it though

nimble zodiac Oct 7, 2020, 1:19 AM

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“Most people” words are chosen wisely sir

crystal spoke Oct 7, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Its also not even a tech tree tank but an almost forgotten collector

west spruce Oct 7, 2020, 1:27 AM

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ya it doesnt even have the 90 degrees of gun elevationn like in wot pc

minor minnow Oct 7, 2020, 2:01 AM

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It used to I believe. I have mo clue why it was nerfed like that, there was no reason to

dim field Oct 7, 2020, 2:23 AM

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If Chicken and M4 fused together their username would have 7 7's

turbid smelt Oct 7, 2020, 4:34 AM

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it could be 7EEE

frosty oriole Oct 7, 2020, 6:26 AM

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honestly buff the british medium line, barely anyone plays it because they're slow and are barely armored

crystal spoke Oct 7, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Even though I love them as is id also love a buff for them

abstract harbor Oct 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

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reported this player 30 days ago cause he is manipulating the game obviously.Arrogant WG staff reply: we have automatic filters to detect such manupulation. I see

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turbid smelt Oct 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

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@abstract harbor that player could just be trying best to be the worst

idk how is that under game manipulation

frosty oriole Oct 7, 2020, 7:04 AM

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you literally cannot lose so much if youre afk, with hundreds of battles per tank he is deliberately hindering his team

winged barn Oct 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

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0 wn8 takes skill

turbid smelt Oct 7, 2020, 7:34 AM

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@abstract harbor I am quite sure regardless the cause #rules clearly state no naming shaming

frosty oriole Oct 7, 2020, 7:34 AM

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no but thats literally ruining the game, if you play you will NEVER have 0 wn8

dense yoke Oct 7, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Remember the times when is7 had even more speed. But than it got nerfed...

uncut cedar Oct 7, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Kv-4 is op bcz evry time when i play kv 4 nobody can deal me damage

lavish hamlet Oct 7, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Bruh the kv4 is not op nor broken they just don't know where to pen you @uncut cedar and stop using op and or broken,you guys really miss use that A LOT

noble quail Oct 7, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Kv-4 is op bcz evry time when i play kv 4 nobody can deal me damage
The KV-4 was buffed recently on the armour, it's not op. It needed that armour to block more shots

winged barn Oct 7, 2020, 9:00 AM

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It's still the off brand 252

thin lichen Oct 7, 2020, 9:11 AM

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the kv4 is pretty balanced now, it desperatly needed that buff

winged barn Oct 7, 2020, 9:14 AM

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See, unlike the tiger 2, the kv4 (which is far slower) has a frontal spot to use AP on.

muted rampart Oct 7, 2020, 9:14 AM

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But kv 3 is still uselles

tender bison Oct 7, 2020, 9:33 AM

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no, the kv4 is not good. bad dpm, bad accuracy (really bad), bad speed and traverse, its got that massive hatch, super tall and flat, there r just so many things going against it

sudden path Oct 7, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Yeah but the tier 10 is worth it because of this:

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deft owl Oct 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

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@abstract harbor I dont see any problem here.

last shadow Oct 7, 2020, 11:58 AM

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There needs to be some bad tanks in a line to make it harder to reach the totally not op t10

sudden path Oct 7, 2020, 12:04 PM

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7k blocked is balanced

minor plover Oct 7, 2020, 12:10 PM

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It's not hard to penetrate IS-4.

bronze grail Oct 7, 2020, 12:11 PM

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Super Conq will get a buff. But didnt quite understand what. Is the cupola armor beeing buffed?

noble quail Oct 7, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Mantlet armour

vocal token Oct 7, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Buff the IS-5 :v

sinful leaf Oct 7, 2020, 12:29 PM

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@vocal token Probably not happening, the tank legit costs 1500 gold. For what it's worth, it does well enough. I do agree that it probably will need some sort of buff sooner than later but I doubt WG will even make that change.

dusky bay Oct 7, 2020, 12:48 PM

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buff tortoise armor and 420 alpha, like in wot pc

noble quail Oct 7, 2020, 12:48 PM

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I don't have any big problems withthe IS-5, besides that kinda weak ammorack and normal soviet gun depression

turbid smelt Oct 7, 2020, 2:07 PM

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kv4 is fun tonk
it is a baby mouse at tier 8

blissful vigil Oct 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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@turbid smelt how's the armor profile of it now? I'm curious if it's as notorioulsy bad as it is to set it on fire

minor minnow Oct 7, 2020, 3:37 PM

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It wasn’t bad before the buff, obviously it’s nothing meta but I enjoyed it. The upper plate is troublesome for any tank but high pen guns still make short work of it. It’s more effective in a sidescrape position tho

crystal shuttle Oct 7, 2020, 3:46 PM

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kv4 is fun tonk
it is a baby mouse at tier 8
@turbid smelt not german hehe

turbid smelt Oct 7, 2020, 3:54 PM

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@blissful vigil I played it a while back
~~before update~~

armour was very good for sidescraping and doing mouse like things

blissful vigil Oct 7, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Fits for me I guess

unique scaffold Oct 7, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Hiii

blissful vigil Oct 7, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Why is HE'ing an SU-130 PM so impossibly hard?

sinful leaf Oct 7, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Because it's upper front is very trolly towards HE

whole coral Oct 7, 2020, 6:26 PM

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muted rampart Oct 7, 2020, 6:48 PM

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@sinful leaf I bounced form this plate with isu 152 (I didn t load he because it had 550 hp)

unique scaffold Oct 7, 2020, 6:58 PM

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anyone agree the old T82 was balanced?

nobody?

damn

nimble zodiac Oct 7, 2020, 7:04 PM

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It wasn't.

hardy hazel Oct 7, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I remember when i used to play that in my lost account, i was like "if the game say it deals 500 damage, why im doing 80?"

minor minnow Oct 7, 2020, 7:14 PM

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hE pRoBlEmS

hardy hazel Oct 7, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Nub problems, but now that im a big boy i know how to use HE shells and deal more than 80 dmg

coarse harness Oct 7, 2020, 7:45 PM

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At least you noticed something is wrong and found out what's the problem

distant river Oct 7, 2020, 7:53 PM

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^^^ Much much better to do it that way than to call the other person a hacker and start insulting them lol

nimble zodiac Oct 7, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I mean, I got two people calling me a hacker because I had a baby 2.2 second reload 😂

quick lichen Oct 7, 2020, 9:35 PM

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So after reading the #devs-answers, the Maus and IS-4 have topped Tier X heavies consistency 1-2 and only 3 times since 5.4 have they not both been too 5. When will they be getting nerfed?

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Nearly 2 years has gone by and they’re still top 2 every update

drowsy idol Oct 7, 2020, 9:54 PM

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i feel bad for 113g ft players the cheeks are so bad i can pen them with meds regular shells

junior gate Oct 7, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I feel with the heavy tank hp buffs wg needs to buff all guns alpha dmg: 310-320 350-390 400stays same 420-440 -460-490 560-600 640-750 800to 950/1000 183 gun can stay same just a 💭

tender bison Oct 7, 2020, 11:40 PM

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there would be no difference for the 105mm cannons and 122mm cannons then, only 10 alpha difference

sudden path Oct 8, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Yeah but maus and is4 are just the best heavies, they're balanaced

lilac ginkgo Oct 8, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Is-4 a little OP

minor minnow Oct 8, 2020, 12:06 AM

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IS-4 is a little more than just a little. It’s mobile, has a great gun and even better armor.

drowsy idol Oct 8, 2020, 12:19 AM

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with microscopic turret cheeks

hardy hazel Oct 8, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Its mostly the armor profile because maus have 200mm armor all around but is easier to pen compared to is 4

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Is 4 is so easy to pen

deft owl Oct 8, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Maus does not needs nerf. It didnt need the last hp buff like any other heavy tank got.

dreamy oar Oct 8, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Well it depends on the range you’re shooting an is 4 with and with what shell type you’re shooting it. On my t110e5 (merican heavy) I use cs and close up I can pen an is 4 front but as soon as it moves back a few meters, it’s all red(front). Of course premium shells will go through the front. I don’t think the is 4 or Maus are broken, I think that they’re common as they’re easier to play and are really powerful in good hands

hardy hazel Oct 8, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Is 4 is so easy to pen
@unique scaffold for me is easier to pen a maus than a is4

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 12:49 AM

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@hardy hazel for me is 4 is thanks to comp. hitting the turret strips are so easy

thick rover Oct 8, 2020, 1:34 AM

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For me is hitting E3 gun manlet it's so easy pen 😁

obsidian osprey Oct 8, 2020, 2:14 AM

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If they removed ~200 hp and 10mm of armor from the upper glacis plate of the IS-4, it would still be relevant but no longer just a default boring choice. Its gun is actually quite bad relative to other tier X heavies; alpha is average, dpm mediocre, gun handling quite bad, gun dep bad, aim time atrocious, and pen maybe slightly above average for HEAT. They could give it a slight aim time buff at the same time as the HP/armor nerf to help keep it relevant.

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Time for op

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hardy hazel Oct 8, 2020, 2:18 AM

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What is that?

pastel cairn Oct 8, 2020, 2:20 AM

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where did you receive this info?

obsidian osprey Oct 8, 2020, 2:25 AM

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#2020 tenk has entered the chat. Prepare your body

noble quail Oct 8, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Where did you even get that

sinful leaf Oct 8, 2020, 2:41 AM

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@unique scaffold oh my god
Rip 140 and T-22

obsidian osprey Oct 8, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Legendary camo is either called “wildfire” or “viral” and it curb stomps everything else at tier X. They don’t even play around with crates, just direct sale for $399 for people tired of playing. The true tank for this era.

full token Oct 8, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Looks like the wot pc image, so I think it’s fake

junior gate Oct 8, 2020, 3:03 AM

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The 907 has been in development for about a year now but the image is from pc

winged barn Oct 8, 2020, 3:07 AM

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907 could very easily be balanced. Just depends on how idiotic they do it. It's just a 140 clone.

hardy hazel Oct 8, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Looks like its front is thin as a sharp blade, but dont know

winged barn Oct 8, 2020, 3:17 AM

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So is the 140

If they go: let's slap a ton of armor on the hull and turret, then we will have a problem, but they do bot have to do that

turbid smelt Oct 8, 2020, 4:20 AM

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interesting choice of buff for t62a

they added bit of spaced armour around gun mantlet
but there is still no armour behind mantlet

290 pen ap and apcr can go through it
destroying gun in process

correction
they buffed gun mantlet aswell
it used to be 210mm
in update it would be 250mm

effective thickness went from 257mm (old) to 290mm (upcoming)

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unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 5:03 AM

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140 doesn’t even have a gun mantlet yet they buff it

turbid smelt Oct 8, 2020, 5:05 AM

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140 doesn't even have roof

crystal shuttle Oct 8, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Who aims at gun mauntlet??

atomic summit Oct 8, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Imo the 140 needs a -7 gd

turbid smelt Oct 8, 2020, 7:54 AM

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@crystal shuttle derp like me
who knew t62 had 257mm of armour there

crystal shuttle Oct 8, 2020, 7:58 AM

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🤣

teal palm Oct 8, 2020, 7:58 AM

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That object 907 “event” is obviously fake as hell, that icon is from world of tanks pc

full token Oct 8, 2020, 8:09 AM

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You don’t need to aim at the mantlet. At long ranges the mantlet could be one of the areas you would hit

quick tide Oct 8, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Kranvagn is by far the worst X tank in the game

coarse harness Oct 8, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Sounds interesting with tanks like 183, VK 72 etc
Still no update on google play tho

muted rampart Oct 8, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Ye

solid acorn Oct 8, 2020, 12:03 PM

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@unique scaffold thats so fake

jagged crescent Oct 8, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Why not nerf the IS4's hp to 2450
And maybe give the rest of the tier x meds like about 10+mm of penetration for their standard rounds

tiny snow Oct 8, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Need to buff vickers line. So tired of bouncing shots with TD. Win rates show it needs buffed.

blissful vigil Oct 8, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Are you sure you understand the consept of either "sarcasm" or buff and nerf?

eager shadow Oct 8, 2020, 2:00 PM

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why doesnt wg balance to competitive tournaments instead of there usual statistics

tiny snow Oct 8, 2020, 2:02 PM

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@blissful vigil Lol I meant nerf. Good call.

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Is 4 is already easy to kill cause it is easy to pen and has like no dpm. Meds don’t need a buff. They need to incorporate tds more into the meta without making it such a slow and campy meta

warped flame Oct 8, 2020, 3:17 PM

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hi everyone , i want wg do to it pls , the play time of 7 minutes is too short ,pls make it on 15 min like WoT Pc ,i played a game in my sheridan and it was draw cause time end ,thats bad, me vs 2 low tanks ,couldnt win cause of time:-(

drowsy plaza Oct 8, 2020, 3:18 PM

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@eager shadow because a lot of tanks are not played in tournaments. The Goal of balance is to make many different tanks competing options for both random pubbies and tournaments

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Hi

gleaming garden Oct 8, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@warped flame It happens and its heart broken when you want more time on battles but this is Blitz, more time is like boring besides 15 mins is too long

dense yoke Oct 8, 2020, 3:55 PM

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They don't want to make the time any longer. If my memory serves right. #devs-answers. Also if IS4 is so easy to kill why the hell is it in the top 3 heavies . Actually why in the is it in the top 3 best tanks of 7.2?

drowsy idol Oct 8, 2020, 3:55 PM

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p u b s

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Because it is easy to play in pubs ._. Obviously it will be one of the best when smart people are playing against noobs

jagged crescent Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I wonder why it's so easy to play in pubs ._.

south sluice Oct 8, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Please add back all the old tanks you weirdos

winged barn Oct 8, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Is4 is amazing because of the turret and gun. Any other things it gets are just bonuses.

glossy phoenix Oct 8, 2020, 5:29 PM

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A 0.5 second shell reload for Kranvagn would be nice

winged barn Oct 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Ah yes, balance

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 5:39 PM

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IS-4 is so incredibly boring to play in randoms, it’s just so just meh, I’d rather play any other tier 10 heavy

minor minnow Oct 8, 2020, 5:59 PM

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It’s really not. Seeing people try to pen lower plate at long range is so funny

jagged crescent Oct 8, 2020, 6:10 PM

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but the 113 has that forward speed and 3.2k+ dpm
Maus is a literal fridge and eats everything
E100's a td with 2.75k+ hp
e5 has flexibility and consumables
autoloaders are autoloaders
even the is7 is less boring to play

unique scaffold Oct 8, 2020, 6:11 PM

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The 215b is mad fun

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If you’re good in the IS-4 it’s boring.

sinful leaf Oct 8, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@jagged crescent Doesn't 121 have the same DPM?

lucid jetty Oct 8, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I know DPM may not be a thing but why would you set the same dpm on krv and emil2? I feel this should be wrong, theoretically. I would recommend change the alpha on krv to 420.

jagged crescent Oct 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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@sinful leaf yeah i think so, same alpha, and reload

hardy hazel Oct 8, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Second shell gets -0.49s reload but yeah its the same thing

lucid jetty Oct 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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people soon learned that a krv can be pushed. Because it is still reloading the third shell most of the time.

minor minnow Oct 8, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Either up the alpha or down the full clip reload I 100% agree with 2500 here

winged barn Oct 8, 2020, 7:52 PM

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If you are playing it as a clipper you are doing it wrong

lucid jetty Oct 8, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Clipper or not, it can be pushed on the flat ground cuz it is slow. On the ridgeline you face is4 and e5 then you find that you are constantly reloading and the is4 and e5 kill much faster than you.

minor minnow Oct 8, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Unfortunately yes. Tbh that’s why I’d liek to see a dpm buff of some sort, then the Mobility would be bearable. The Kran and Emil 2 share similar DPM, and that’s not seen in many tanks from Tier 9 to 10 of I’m correct. Nevertheless, I like the tank a lot, and have learned to play it relatively quickly and easily

muted rampart Oct 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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If it would be going 35-40 km/h this dpm would be okay but it s not. It s slow and it s gun is uselles. It needs at least one of those things to be competitive

dense yoke Oct 8, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Mabye badassfrontal armor, but trash side armor like m6 exp?

austere citrus Oct 8, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Strong, not broken though. Yes I enriched it.

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drifting depot Oct 8, 2020, 10:10 PM

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^

blissful vigil Oct 8, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@austere citrus you ENRICHED it?!

mental pasture Oct 8, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Yes, he did

minor minnow Oct 8, 2020, 10:11 PM

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If he can pull those stats in 25 battles why the hell wouldn’t he

wise dirge Oct 8, 2020, 10:11 PM

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It is a very nice tank, I can see why

drowsy idol Oct 8, 2020, 10:50 PM

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i mean kran has td turret armor proof so i don’t see a dpm buff needed

nimble zodiac Oct 8, 2020, 10:50 PM

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I mean I’m pulling 2.1k+ avg dmg per battle in T-2020 ._.

twilit crystal Oct 8, 2020, 10:58 PM

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lol

lucid jetty Oct 8, 2020, 11:21 PM

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@drowsy idol There are a bunch of tanks with good td turret armor proof, all with higher dpm so I do see a dpm buff needed.

drowsy idol Oct 8, 2020, 11:35 PM

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@lucid jetty the only ones i can think of are the t22 medium and is 4

minor minnow Oct 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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T110E5

lucid jetty Oct 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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That is why these are still relevant in tournaments but we would probably not consider krv to take place of them. Some might have strats for KRV with alternative positions but I don't think it would work well. The only situation I can think of is when you put the KRV to some place that, is an unexpected place and, has a ridgeline behind, so that when you unload clip you can back up to the ridgeline. 50b and 57 can only back up against the wall while the krv can be there and continue to watch over the enemies. But these spots are very situational.

wise dirge Oct 8, 2020, 11:53 PM

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The dpm is so bad I doubt it will be used, and if you HE splash the turret it does quite a bit of damage

mental pasture Oct 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I wonder what splash damage a 105mm or 122mm cannon would do in a 400mm turret

nimble zodiac Oct 9, 2020, 12:32 AM

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I think HE will splash up to triple caliber, so no damage, but whatever, if you shoot at the turret ring it’ll splash on the top of the hull

jagged crescent Oct 9, 2020, 12:42 AM

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I got 300-400 HE splash on a Kran turret in a 268

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Kranvagn should really get a 250mm turret and higher DPM. It has the lowest DPM for tier 10 heavies at this point. Basically saying and what literally everyone else is saying. Buff everything on the tank. Like literally every stat.

unique scaffold Oct 9, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Maybe if you ran the Kranvagn in pairs or trios in tournaments it would work out

wise dirge Oct 9, 2020, 12:47 AM

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No, still too slow and can’t deal enough damage quick enough

heavy galleon Oct 9, 2020, 1:01 AM

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is the line worth grinding?

sour comet Oct 9, 2020, 1:02 AM

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@unique scaffold that would never work less enemy never rush you from your position lol. Plus one kravgen lose single shell becomes more less weak tank unless has support.

jagged crescent Oct 9, 2020, 1:04 AM

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@wise dirge isn't the 1.9k dpm after the clip's unloaded. I'm pretty sure factoring the 6 second burst, the dpm's alot higher

And get HE'd and lit on fire by literally every single tank that has HE shells

lucid jetty Oct 9, 2020, 1:04 AM

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You run double KRV. You can also run double 50b 57 with 1.5x more effective dpm.

cerulean gorge Oct 9, 2020, 1:13 AM

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OMG WG buff the vk 72 40 mm engine deck to 62mm
Maus pening me like paper with ap , and i cant pen it even with prem shels
Maus pening me with ap on lowe plate

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 1:20 AM

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@heavy galleon emil 1 is like the strongest tier 8 in the game and the emil 2 and kranvagn are likely to get buffs

winged barn Oct 9, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Emil 2 and kran are balanced

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 1:40 AM

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i mean emil 1 turret isn't that great lol, its just the 50 100 has been power crept

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 1:48 AM

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@twilit crystal not wrong but the tank itself is solid

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 1:52 AM

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true its balanced, the problem is the 50 100 needs the 4th shell back

teal palm Oct 9, 2020, 1:55 AM

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That would one clip nearly all tier 7 MTs/LTs/TDs and most tier 8 TDs/LTs
4 shells would be too broken

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Yea the 50 100 should get 4 shells, then it would have 1240 clip to compete against the Emil 1’s 960

tender bison Oct 9, 2020, 2:11 AM

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if it has 4 shells, then it cant have 310 alpha, 250 or 225

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 2:14 AM

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lol it was only mildly op a few years ago with 4 shells,(literally no one complained about it but WG nerfed it anyway) with all the powercreep it can have 4 shells back

still adder Oct 9, 2020, 2:16 AM

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@twilit crystal i agree
if it had 4 shells it will be in the same situation the lorraine is in
you will be exposed more, and being exposed more means you will take damage
add the 4th shell back.

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 2:19 AM

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280 alpha with 4 shells?

safe rapids Oct 9, 2020, 2:22 AM

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300

tender bison Oct 9, 2020, 2:23 AM

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if it has 250 alpha it can do 1000 potential dmg, which is better than the emil 1 so it fine

drifting depot Oct 9, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Barely a little more, it's only gonna make it worst since you're gonna be exposed even more .-.

pastel cairn Oct 9, 2020, 3:11 AM

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why

indigo knot Oct 9, 2020, 3:23 AM

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if it has 250 alpha it can do 1000 potential dmg, which is better than the emil 1 so it fine
That is even worse cuz now you need to expose even more to clip out a tank to deal 60 more dmg

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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No armor either. Emil 1 can bounce reliably, at least 280 because then u get 1120 which is 160 more than the Emil 1, 310 at 1240 isn’t even broke

tender bison Oct 9, 2020, 3:41 AM

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then reduce interclip reload to 2 seconds or smth, so u release ur shells in 8 seconds instead of 12

drifting depot Oct 9, 2020, 5:23 AM

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2.5*

covert cosmos Oct 9, 2020, 8:49 AM

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I think that the +- 26 reload for the AMX 50 100 second gun is a bit too long it gives it massive disadvantages

muted tapir Oct 9, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Can we get a button in the inbattle "notification wheel" that will display for team the time left on reloading please.
It's in pc wot and would be quite handy. Many thanks and big love 😍

unique scaffold Oct 9, 2020, 10:51 AM

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I don’t think it’s the right channel to suggest that in but I didn’t think of it til now why did they ever remove the reload cue?

orchid grove Oct 9, 2020, 10:51 AM

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@covert cosmos It's only 22s reload base. And with vents and provisions it's only 20.42s, which really isn't all that long, especially since the mobility makes it easy to hide.

And if you can't deal with the 50 100 reload, you're going to be in pain with the 50 120, which has a 25s base reload (23.21s with vents + provisions)

signal flame Oct 9, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Um......why not add an option on not using 5x Exp booster....?

grave token Oct 9, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Why boots have IQ=0 ?

covert cosmos Oct 9, 2020, 11:34 AM

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@orchid grove I wasn't counting provisions

orchid grove Oct 9, 2020, 11:35 AM

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Even without provisions and vents, it's still only 22s

distant river Oct 9, 2020, 11:35 AM

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There's no reason to not run provisions unless you are completely broke too...

covert cosmos Oct 9, 2020, 11:44 AM

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@orchid grove no its definitely 26

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orchid grove Oct 9, 2020, 11:45 AM

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@covert cosmos That's because your crew is 75%. That reload will drop to 22.0s with a 100% crew

heavy yarrow Oct 9, 2020, 11:55 AM

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@orchid grove , @covert cosmos this is my Amx, with 100% crew, 21.39 sec reload

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covert cosmos Oct 9, 2020, 11:56 AM

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Ah okay

orchid grove Oct 9, 2020, 11:57 AM

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Also, I just realized that he's using the 90mm DCA 45...

Now I'm starting to think that this mad lad actually skipped the DCA 45 on both the ARL-44 and AMX M4 45, and ground with the 90mm F3, since he refers to the DCA 45 as the "second gun", and not the stock gun. @heavy yarrow

gleaming apexBOT Oct 9, 2020, 12:02 PM

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dynoSuccess Phantom_25_Sniper#9620 has been warned.

heavy yarrow Oct 9, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Who would skip the DCA 45 on the ARL?, In my opinion it’s the best gun on that tank

nimble zodiac Oct 9, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Like skipping the BL-10, having it literally makes the tanks at least remotely relevant

coarse harness Oct 9, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Skipping a gun to suffer grinding it in higher tiers
Big brain

covert cosmos Oct 9, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Lol no I didn't skip the DCA 45 it's the best gun for the AMX M4 45 and for the ARL-44

jagged crescent Oct 9, 2020, 1:30 PM

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epic

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 2:46 PM

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@heavy yarrow because people like to stupidly speed grind

minor minnow Oct 9, 2020, 3:42 PM

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🤤

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jagged crescent Oct 9, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Oh that’s hot

sudden path Oct 9, 2020, 4:19 PM

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That's hot

blissful vigil Oct 9, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Buff Leo. It's bad...

latent snow Oct 9, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I played it with 75% crew and it’s was fine

high garden Oct 9, 2020, 4:27 PM

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T95E2 and in general an American medium buff for the tiers 6-9?

the Pershing feels way too powercrept or maybe I’m doing it wrong

unique scaffold Oct 9, 2020, 4:27 PM

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play the Leo like the P.43 ter

blissful vigil Oct 9, 2020, 4:39 PM

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No penetration what so ever. The armor is meh. And the gun is kinda bruh itself

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 4:41 PM

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It's fun.

latent snow Oct 9, 2020, 4:52 PM

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It has normal penetration for a teir 7 medium, just don’t compare its pen to a panther : P

safe rapids Oct 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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If you want run gun rammer and provisions and use the stock gun and play it like a Comet or T43

dusty delta Oct 9, 2020, 6:24 PM

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The new swedish heavy tanks really need some love.

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Emil 1 is balanced and should stay this way, the others are bad.

nocturne mauve Oct 9, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Because of their awful gun and speed

jagged crescent Oct 9, 2020, 7:18 PM

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It's barely been 2 days . .

fiery dagger Oct 9, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Not every new Line should be overcooked tho. It's okay to have situational tanks.

Btw, why isn't blitzhangar showing 7.3 changes and new tanks, just still the preview?

coarse harness Oct 9, 2020, 7:24 PM

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I just got the T8
The T6 and 7 are not bad at all
They are pretty good

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 7:26 PM

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emil 1 is op lol

mental pasture Oct 9, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Why would it be op?@twilit crystal I didn't play yet but looks just a good tank

coarse harness Oct 9, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Broken armor, good gun and not even that slow especially with the super speed boost stuff

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 7:36 PM

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turret isn't that broken. If its just usign generic hull down stuff instead of a hill most same tier heavies can still easily gold it, however its still good enough to make OP trades

mental pasture Oct 9, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Pfff, it's only OP if ISU-152 can't pen, looks pretty butter for BL-10

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nimble zodiac Oct 9, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Yeah, and ISU could drill in Obj. 252U and T34’s gun mantlets

nocturne mauve Oct 9, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I’m just waiting for the broken Emil 1951

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 8:47 PM

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NERF PROOF, although the progetto 46 didnt come out until january while the meds came around 1 year ago

blissful vigil Oct 9, 2020, 8:49 PM

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IS-7 turret buff maybe?

austere citrus Oct 9, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Emil 1 is top of its tier but if there is an even better one, then Emil 1951 going to be sealclubber

surreal grail Oct 9, 2020, 9:06 PM

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uh guys.. im bringing up a new topic here. the jg pz iv's absolutely broken dpm

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nimble zodiac Oct 9, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Very strong tank, but it has considerable setbacks

muted rampart Oct 9, 2020, 9:08 PM

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@surreal grail but every frontal shot on it destroys its engine

meager spruce Oct 9, 2020, 9:11 PM

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its pen is also incredibly low for a td in tier 6

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 9:34 PM

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1951 gets overmatched on the side armor

heavy yarrow Oct 9, 2020, 9:42 PM

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1951? @twilit crystal

muted rampart Oct 9, 2020, 9:43 PM

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@heavy yarrow maybe Emil 1951?

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 9:49 PM

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emil 1951 only has 35 mm of side armor

meager spruce Oct 9, 2020, 9:54 PM

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so any IS-series tank will be able to butcher the side... nice

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 10:01 PM

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yeah give that makes the hull armor really op on the emil 1, super skinny +80 mm side, easy to act like you are overangling when its still 70

deft owl Oct 9, 2020, 10:08 PM

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@surreal grail Its not op. Gun on it has pathetic penetration for a tier 6 td.

heavy yarrow Oct 9, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@twilit crystal how do you have the 1951?

twilit crystal Oct 9, 2020, 10:12 PM

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no im just looking at the stats, it only has 35 mm of side armor so it can get autopenned through side

winged barn Oct 9, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Unless you find yourself using a 105mm heavy...

heavy yarrow Oct 10, 2020, 12:04 AM

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@twilit crystal you forget about the 3 calibers rule, if the shell is more than 3 times the thickness of the armour it will over match. Against all MTs, and LTs (except for the t49 running the 152) you will bounce shots as their gun calibers are <105mm (3x35=105) but against Hts and Tds you won’t stand much of a chance. But if we talk about the hull. The side skirts act as spaced armour so no heat. And your tracks also act as spaced armour.All in all its a potentially broken tank, If it is in the terrain it was build for, Hills.

nimble zodiac Oct 10, 2020, 12:06 AM

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He assumes the EMIL will be fighting heavies in general, which I think is fine, don’t measure em up to perfection, because obvs some guns won’t overmatch

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Mausy doesn’t angle enough

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nimble zodiac Oct 10, 2020, 12:34 AM

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What’s the point of this

winged barn Oct 10, 2020, 12:37 AM

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To show the maus needs more buffs

sinful leaf Oct 10, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Lol

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 1:10 AM

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@heavy yarrow he said any IS tank series would autopen

you also forgot about 2nd calibers rule
if caliber of gun is more than twice the nominal armour it would have increased normalization for its ap/apcr shells

other guns bigger than 70mm would have increased normalization for ap amd apcr rounds

yeah it is not as good as being able to pen from any angle but if armour is not at 70° or more, guns bigger than 70mm would also autopen in those conditions

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 1:28 AM

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3 calibers rule:
if gun caliber is more than thrice the thickness of nominal armour it will attempt to penetrate regardless of the angle

if doesn't say autopen, it says would attempt
most of the penetration power comes from 2nd calibers rules

if for some reason angle is too steep and thick enough after to resist increased normalization
shell loses all its penetration level and fails to penetrate without a ricochet

scarlet hazel Oct 10, 2020, 1:32 AM

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so far the kran seems balanced other then the turret armor which is counter by the lack of speed and the gun is slow on its overall reload / good job wargaming u made something that's balanced for a change

heavy yarrow Oct 10, 2020, 1:41 AM

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@turbid smelt yet again though if it is angled to a high enough degree, regardless of normalisation it can still bounce

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 1:49 AM

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it depends on effective thickness

you can only angle to certain degree

at some point it is better to not even use armour as it simply can't do it

quick tide Oct 10, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Sometimes i think how can i have 30 games in row 45% avarage team mates and enemy had 57%🤔 and thanks to that i can say bye to my 80% on kranvagn

nimble zodiac Oct 10, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Very unreliable information, but ok

drowsy idol Oct 10, 2020, 3:18 AM

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understandable, have a great day

scarlet hazel Oct 10, 2020, 5:41 AM

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karn is a very good tank but it need team mates iv been finding that the karn has trouble on its on do to the reload being as long as it is

winged sorrel Oct 10, 2020, 7:15 AM

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How ironic in accordance to wot

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 8:25 AM

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hi, is there any chance of getting same control mode switch to work in ratings battles?

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 8:32 AM

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If you want hour long queues then yes, but most people don't so that is never going to happen

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 8:36 AM

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@last summit why would you want that?

edit :

just because my brick can run game at 120fps at max graphics doesn't mean it has any advantage

only in game advantage pc has over touch is manual zoom
everything else I believe is better on touch

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 8:42 AM

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i think the queue times would be fine on touch screen, id just prefer to fight people using the same controls im using, PC is a superior gaming platform and doesnt seem fair to me

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 8:51 AM

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PC is only really considered better because of the extra awareness the larger screen gives you and the manual zoom. The extra awareness is only really useful when you are an average player. I'm guessing you are complaining because you think it's a hUgE uNfAiR aDvAnTaGe and that's why you are doing as well as you want, which is a lie. You want to play against mobile players then go play randoms 🤷‍♀️

coarse harness Oct 10, 2020, 9:03 AM

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More precise aiming, faster shell switching etc
Pro tours are only touch for a reason

coral basin Oct 10, 2020, 9:04 AM

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remote oriole Oct 10, 2020, 9:12 AM

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PC actually has a number of considerable advantages over touch, which caused a migration of good players to PC and the introduction of the same control mode as well as the limitation of pro tours to touch

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 9:14 AM

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no

idk I perform much better without a ton more keys at disposal

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 9:14 AM

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yeah like isaac said, more precise aiming and faster shell switching and the fact the pro tours are touch only speaks volumes, as far as im aware PC is a far superior gaming platform to touch controls in every way, i mean touch control players are playing with 2 thumbs on a screen lol, just doesnt seem legit that we are up against PC players, if ratings battles are meant to be fair it makes sense to have same control mode leagues

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 9:19 AM

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More precise aiming depends on the person and the device, switching shell types is literally a fraction of a second and that makes almost no difference. Pro tours are touch only because pros will exploit every single possible difference, and if you come here crying about PC players in ratings I can tell you that you aren't a pro player. Again mobile autoaim is far superior to PC but you all seem to forget about that.

But anyway, if you are still crying about coming against PC players, remember that you will have an equal chance to get a PC player on your team so it means absolutely nothing.

You can blame PC players, rigged MM, broken tanks or whatever you want for why you aren't going up ratings as fast as you want, but at the end of the day it's all on you.

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 9:26 AM

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This game has been cross-platform for 80% of its existence. Are people still seriously complaining about PC players?

remote oriole Oct 10, 2020, 9:32 AM

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The mobile autoaim is only superior if you take it out of context

orchid grove Oct 10, 2020, 9:33 AM

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^

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 9:40 AM

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@distant river this is a discussion channel mate, theres no need to be rude and insulting, we are here to have a civilised discussion. the accuracy and aiming of a mouse is far superior to aiming with your thumb on a touch screen, ammo switching is the same, using a key to switch ammo is far more reliable than using your thumb on a touch screen. by saying the pros will exploit every single difference in pro tours is an admission from you that PC is better lol, mobile auto is not superior to the accuracy of a mouse because its full of glitches, like when your aiming at an enemy tank and another enemy tank comes infront or behind that enemy tank the autoaim can glitch and switch targets, so no i havent forgot about that. it doesnt matter if i get a PC player on my team because ratings battles a more focused on individual performance overall. no i dont blame PC players for anything, WG set the rules and we all play by them, PC players are doing nothing wrong, im just saying the rules arent fair.

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 9:42 AM

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@unique scaffold yes
we need to revive old arguments

~~atgm mayhem gooo~~

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 9:42 AM

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We really don't

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 9:54 AM

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@unique scaffold this is a discussion channel mate, we’re meant to discuss the balance in ratings battles here in a civilised and mature way, surely theres nothing wrong with that? whats more interesting is why people are coming to a discussion channel to shut down civilised debate 🤔

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 9:56 AM

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I'm not shutting anything down. I'm just pointing out that I think it is somewhat silly to still be debating a change that took place five years ago. This is no longer just a mobile game. It has evolved and the players need to do the same.

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 10:14 AM

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@last summit PC has mildy better aspects that can be exploited, and so does mobile. In the case that another tank drives in front of another, you literally take a faction of a second to re-aim. On PC you would have to re-aim anyway. And as soon as you start talking about your own personal performance you are literally admitting that the issue is you not "them damn PC players". The rules are fair for everyone, and the ratings system would completely collapse if you added in a same control mode option.

And btw mobile autoaim has no specific context so you can't exactly take it out of context, it allows you to do significantly more things (apart from manual zoom) with the only downside being it catches out unaware people when they aim at multiple targets all clustered together

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Wait doesn’t same platform/controls exist as an option in the settings

winged barn Oct 10, 2020, 10:16 AM

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No, that would make too much sense

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 10:19 AM

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@unique scaffold like you say the game is constantly evolving and if WG see that cross platform between touch controls and PC controls in ratings battles are unbalanced we might get a change, so its definitely worth having a discussion about it @unique scaffold yeah it does but that option doesnt work in ratings battles @distant river as far as im aware mobile doesnt have any advantages over PC, the mobile autoaim isnt an advantage because of the glitch a mentioned and your still using your thumb on a screen as apposed to a mouse which is far more accurate

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 10:22 AM

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Your perception that is unbalanced ≠ it being unbalanced.

heavy yarrow Oct 10, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Wanna know a fun fact?
Most professional WOTB players use a touch device, they find that PC is uncontrollable.

coarse harness Oct 10, 2020, 10:24 AM

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PC and touch has about the same skill floor but PC has higher skill ceiling
I don't have problem with it but do not act like it's not the case

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 10:25 AM

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It does but not for ratings which is what is being complained about @unique scaffold

@last summit That horrifically awful glitch one specific scenario that can easily be accounted for. There are also all the scenarios where you can preaim at specific spots. Those scenarios are much more common and provide a hell of a lot of benefit. At the end of the day aiming comes down to personal preference, some people find it easier with a mouse some find it easier with thumbs. You might as well ask to ban tablets or all devices that aren't exactly the same as yours because the different screen space gives people who use them an "unfair advantage" 🤦‍♀️

@coarse harness PC is much easier to play for bad players so the skill floors aren't equal but at high level people can do the same on both devices so the ceiling is equal...

coarse harness Oct 10, 2020, 10:49 AM

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What can you do with the people playing with 20 fps "just for fun" while they can't even use the screen properly🤷🏻‍♂️
Also playing on trains, buses etc with bad internet
Most people playing on PC are more serious about the game

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 11:13 AM

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@coarse harness if you wrote that 2 months ago
I could flex with me 23fps

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 11:21 AM

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@distant river “that horrifically awful glitch” can be game changing in certain scenarios and theres no way around it, once its locked onto another target you need to re aim it which wastes time and sometimes can just lock on to the wrong target right after. i use touch controls and i dont pre aim anything, every shot i make i have to manually aim it, i dont believe overall the aiming system of touch controls provide a “hell of alot of benefit” overall the aiming system on touch controls is alot less precise than a mouse/monitor, theres no benefit to the aiming system on touch controls, PC is a superior system. im not asking them to ban anything, WG make the rules and we play by them, all im asking for is a same control mode in ratings battles as i think it would provide a more level playing field which is what ratings battles are supposed to be. Yes PC is much easier to play for bad players but that is also the same for good players and enhances there skill, again, it speaks volumes that there is no cross platform between PC and touch controls in pro tours, if there were all the pro players would have to switch just to compete.

primal yacht Oct 10, 2020, 11:26 AM

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It takes me 2 more minutes to get in battle than my significant other though we have similar stats and are on the same router. Same iPad. Same settings. Please explain.

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 11:49 AM

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@last summit If that is game changing for you then that's your issue for not dealing with it, but now you may want to remember when mobile autoaim has allowed you to aim and track weakspots and how game changing that is (hint:it's significantly more game changing that having one shot ruined in a specific scenario). If you don't use it the advantage, that is your fault. It doesn't matter what you believe, what matters is that mobile and PC both have advantages and disadvantages over eachother so neither is a superior system. Personal opinion doesn't come into it at all. Again aiming depends on the player not the system, the only difference in that respect is screen size. Good players are aware and can aim no matter what so the only difference is autoaim Vs manual zoom. Again I highly doubt you are at professional level so you cannot exploit the minor differences. If pro tourneys were made to be cross platform things would change a lot because many people who only play on PC would get a chance to play, but you would still see mobile teams/players all over the top 8 or wherever you look.

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 12:05 PM

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@distant river the autoaim glitch on mobile is not a user issue, you cant deal with it because theres nothing you can do about it, i mention it because it works as a handicap when it happens and supports my point that there is no benefit to the touch control aiming system, the mobile auto aim system doesnt allow me to track and aim weakspots at all, i manually aim every shot i make, can you explain what you mean there? because like i say, im manually aiming every shot i make and if the enemy tank moves i have to re aim on the weakspot manually, theres no weakspot tracking system for me. again, ive not seen or heard of one advantage that the touch control system has over PC, not one, the auto aim system on touch being an advantage (when taking everything into consideration) turns out to be a myth. like you say, PC players have a bigger screen, hence ANOTHER advantage (one to add to the list). no im not a professional CW player but like you said before, you dont need to be a professional player to exploit the benefits of PC, you said yourself poor players also play better on PC. i disagree, i personally think if pro tournys were cross platform touch control players would have to switch to PC to compete fairly, thats why i believe they are touch only, WG probably understand that already, which would suggest they acknowledge there is a balance issue.

prime sigil Oct 10, 2020, 12:09 PM

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balance the matchmaking duh

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 12:13 PM

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@prime sigil match makings fine dont interrupt their discussion

hearty steeple Oct 10, 2020, 12:14 PM

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This channel is not for discussing mm@prime sigil

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 12:16 PM

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It is something that is easy to predict and allow for, it isn't an issue. You do not have to manually aim every shot because the autoaim will aim at one part of the tank for you, all you have to do is tiny corrections if the target rotates, forwards and backwards movement is compensated for. You have heard of the advantages you just don't seem to accept/understand that they exist. Mobile autoaim being better is not a myth, and it definitely isn't a myth because you say it is or because you can't use it. A bigger screen just means more awareness, and you can easily get closer to your screen on a mobile device. You also don't need to be a professional CW player to exploit the advantages of mobile either, but again you seem to be incapable of understanding that. A pro player on mobile is still a pro player, and at the top level pc vs touch gives you similar results so there is no reason why people would all switch to PC apart from personal preference. WG don't allow PCs in tournaments because they provide alternative advantages which is not good for an esports game. Ratings is not part of esports by anyone's imagination. There is no balance issue, there is only someone's individual issue with PC players which is based off flawed arguments and ignoring facts.

primal yacht Oct 10, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Just love how Wargaming never takes responsibility for anything and elite players with magical WinRates come to their defense so quickly while the rest of us are just asking that the bugs get fixed once and for all instead of more and more crates.

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Not to mention the damn North American lag...

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 12:42 PM

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its not easy to predict and allow for, you cant predict when an enemy tank will move infront or behind the target your aiming at and when it happens you can miss a vital shot, thats game changing in certain situations, hard to allow for that when it can potentially lose you the game, “that isnt an issue” it certainly feels like an issue when it happens lol. i dont know how long its been since you played on touch but trust me, im manually aiming all my shots and there is no lock system that locks onto a weakspot on enemy tanks, the red tank moves, you lose your aim on his weakspot, thats how it works for me again i dont understand where your coming from with this weakspot aimlock myth, i know the aim tracks your target but it lags behind, you have to re aim at weakspots everytime. “a bigger screen just means more awareness” (exactly, another benefit for PC to add to the list), “you can easily get closer to your screen on mobile device” you think holding our devices right infront of our faces is a way to overcome the advantage PC players have? come on lol, there are no advantages on mobile/touch screen to exploit, no matter if your pro or new, i understand that. like you say “WG dont allow PC in tournys because it provides alternative advantages” that supports my point, youve just agreed with me by saying that lol. i never said ratings was part of esports, ratings is sold to us as a fair and balanced system, my suggestion is it would be more fair and balanced if there were a touch control league because like you said yourself, “PC players have alternative advantages”, there is a blatant balance issue, WG have indirectly admitted it themselves by not allowing PC players in pro tournys, i dont think my arguments are flawed and ive ignored no facts? that sounds like a false statement.

karmic steeple Oct 10, 2020, 12:43 PM

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The players with “magical” winrates are like their biggest critics lol

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Also what bugs you talking about NA isn’t even that bad on average

hardy hazel Oct 10, 2020, 12:54 PM

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@last summit do that and you will spend 1 hour of your life waiting for the rating matchmaker to put you in a battle

primal yacht Oct 10, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Ghost shells, North American Server is worst for lag, and the rigging for elites. He’ll even Bushka finally admitted that this game is rigged. During one of his live videos, he was like “Who’s messing wit me?” LOL

sinful leaf Oct 10, 2020, 1:04 PM

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The matchmaking is only perceived as bad because of the fact there are so many players, arguably in excess amount that don't have any real idea how to play the game decently. I understand that players don't really want to spend more than 5 minutes on a basic tutorial, but why not add special training missions that give rewards when completed?

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 1:05 PM

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@last summit What isn't easy about realising that you are aiming at a group of tanks????? There is a system that does that I'm now genuinely questioning if you have a clue what autoaim is. You are clearly too clueless to see that mobile autoaim is a huge advantage and are so blindly set on complaining about PC for unknown reason. Mobile players have alternative advantages as well, and WG have chosen to only allow mobile in high level tourneys because there are differences in the system, one is not better than the other. You have literally ignored everything I have said so I suggest going back and reading everything again instead of just repeating "mobile autoaim is useless because I don't use it, PC gets a bigger screen therefore it's so unbalanced"

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 1:05 PM

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@last summit do that and you will spend 1 hour of your life waiting for the rating matchmaker to put you in a battle
@hardy hazel only way we will find out is if they put it to the test, i reckon theres enough touch screen players to provide a decent flow of games

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 1:06 PM

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“Who’s messing with me” is laughable for evidence on this theres no elite match making unless you mean preferential match making which only a few tanks do have ghost shells were fixed long ago and still bushka isn’t that trustworthy of a blitz reviewer I don’t know what your service is but NA does just fine for me

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Complaining about PC is so 2015.

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 1:24 PM

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@unique scaffold its still relevant today, in call of duty mobile PC players can be banned for joining a mobile matchmaking queue, obviously theyre separate games but it goes to show theres an understanding in most games that cross platform between touch controls/PC is unbalanced. i dont know what else to say to honourless since he keeps ignoring my points lol

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 1:28 PM

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only way we will find out is if they put it to the test, i reckon theres enough touch screen players to provide a decent flow of games
@last summit Them you have clearly never got to high ratings lmao the queue times are awful with both platforms
@last summit One game, cross platform with different advantages and disadvantages for both platforms. You haven't made any points except "I don't use mobile autoaim" (player issue) and "PC is op because... errr just because"

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 1:30 PM

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This isn't COD and shouldn't be treated as such.

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 1:40 PM

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@unique scaffold yeah, i did say they were separate games and i was just using it to back up my point that its well know throughout all games that there is an unbalance with cross platform between touch and PC but ok lol, @distant river last time i played ratings i was averaging around 4.5k and queue times werent that bad, ive made plenty of points but you ignore them and come back and tell me i said things i havent, speaks volumes mate, if youve not got a leg to stand on just be insulting and make things up, which is what you are resorting to now lol

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 1:45 PM

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The issue with your points is that they are subjective or apply to other games.

The fact of the matter is that this game has evolved into a multi-platform game. Player are given the option to play on the device that best suits your needs.

In my opinion same control mode was introduced as a placebo for players who were upset about the introduction of KB/M.

In the words of some old proverb, it is a poor tradesman that blames his tools.

hardy hazel Oct 10, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Is not that big of a deal, its easier to aim and switch ammo, but sometimes i mess with the consumables, thats pretty much pc gameplay

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 1:47 PM

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When I get outplayed by someone it isn't because they are using a different device. It's because I made a mistake or a series of mistakes that ultimately led to my downfall, or it's because they were just better than me.

full token Oct 10, 2020, 1:47 PM

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You don’t need quick movement as much as in fps games. There’s a lot in this game that reduces the need for all that

wise dirge Oct 10, 2020, 1:49 PM

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You can always turn that on if you really think it’s that big of a problem

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compact nymph Oct 10, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Can’t we all applause WG for putting the limit of heavies in each team to 4 in pubs? Battles will be even more dynamic and entertaining now...

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 1:57 PM

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@wise dirge i have that turned on but it doesnt work in ratings battles, the fact is is PC is just a superior gaming platform, that no news to anyone, if we were all being honest we’d agree on that, i’ll im asking for is a level playing field for touch control players

distant river Oct 10, 2020, 1:57 PM

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@last summit 4.5k isn't high at all so that explains a lot, and if you believe you have made other points repeat them now with actual evidence not just your opinion. I have no time to deal with people who can't back up their points like you

wise dirge Oct 10, 2020, 2:06 PM

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I am assuming you are on NA so there is no way there are enough players in ratings to split the queue into pc and touch, I sit in the queue long enough as it is.
I have heard people complain about everything under the sun but this isn’t something I hear people complain about a lot, so it’s probably not a concern for the majority of the player base

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 2:13 PM

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@wise dirge i play on EU mate, the queue times arent too bad for ratings here, i reckon they could handle a touch only ratings season, alot of players on EU arent happy with seeing PC players on touch controls, everyone i know uses the same control mode but like i say it doesnt work for ratings. Would be good if they could let us know ingame whos playing on what device like they do in training rooms, maybe add a percentage stat of games played on touch/PC on the ingame stat screen too so we can judge for ourselves if players are generally playing better on PC

winged barn Oct 10, 2020, 2:16 PM

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If pc is such an advantage, get one yourself. I expect a new 75%er to be born.

I know I greatly prefer the mobile version.

sinful leaf Oct 10, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Your point is PC players play better on PC than mobile? Nah, the only time where the complaint would even be slightly valid is in the context of T49 A. A PC Player doesn't automatically play better by a huge margin just because they're using different hardware, a mobile player who is accustomed to their device will do just as well, because of mobile autoaim. I don't really see where PC gives an unfair advantage, you can shoot on the move on mobile because of the auto aim, and do it accurately. PC autoaim only aims at center of mass, and oftentimes misses on a fast target because it can't give enough lead at range. It's not really correct to say PC has a huge advantage, and as said before this is a multi-platform game. You could apply the same argument to the Switch, but it wouldn't hold because there isn't any evidence that Switch has an unfair advantage over mobile. I personally am not even concerned, if I get defeated by someone on a different platform, I don't blame the hardware being "better" than mine, it often is because made a mistake or miscalculation that cost me the game. It is very unlikely that a supposed hardware advantage that PC has makes any real difference, imo. I see unicums on mobile and PC platforms, and I don't see any major difference between them that indicates a hardware advantage.

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 2:32 PM

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woah this unnecessary discussion still going on

but pc autoaim only aims at center of tank
~~which in general case is the strongest part of its armour~~

aiming on mobile is just as easy and aim assist assists quite alot in lining up shot...
you can also use look out area in pair with mobile aim assist which pretty much works as superior version of pc autoaim cuz you can lock onto different part of enemy ~~not just center~~

aiming on touch vs aiming with mouse boils down to preference

mobile aim assist vs pc autoaim on the other hand is different story

aim assit is more versatile, it can be used in bunch of situations
whereas pc autoaim is not as versatile
few use of pc autoaim is:
circling something
or being too lazy to aim yourself against lightly armoured tonk

ammo switching also boils down to preference
I like touch more as all ammo switching is carried out by one finger while being in comfortable range

default keys on pc are close to keys binded for driving, which create complication for my big fingers, as it is physically not possible for me to drive and swtich ammo type, so I bind my ammo just beside wasd instead of above it

last summit Oct 10, 2020, 2:33 PM

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ammo switching with keys is alot more reliable and aiming with a mouse is a lot more reliable and accurate and its difficult to aim on mobile while on the move, pc auto aim on the move is still better

candid locust Oct 10, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Well due to the emil 1 being released most of my teir 8 premiums are suddenly powercreeped....Im regretting all the tanks i bought and doubting ill buy any more at teir 8.

sinful leaf Oct 10, 2020, 2:40 PM

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No it doesn't need a "buff", your perception of the matchmaker being bad is because you're getting bad teams. And how would they "buff" matchmaker?

indigo knot Oct 10, 2020, 2:42 PM

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if you wrote that 2 months ago
I could flex with me 23fps
@turbid smelt was it Steam version...kek

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 2:45 PM

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@indigo knot my old tablet xd

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Let's not forget that (at least for me) half the time pc autoaim doesn't even work. You right click on a target and nothing happens. How superior.

frosty oriole Oct 10, 2020, 2:57 PM

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pc autoaims fine

turbid smelt Oct 10, 2020, 2:57 PM

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yea
I am not fan of pc autoaim
it only assist me in cod, i get bit of motion sick constantly turning turrent while moving

indigo knot Oct 10, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Rating is a fun mode
You test tanks there(premiums and Gold crew ones) and play fun derps there with worrying about stats and stuff

hardy hazel Oct 10, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Lol

dense yoke Oct 10, 2020, 3:37 PM

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You know it is nice to use pc autoaim . But you don't know how many times pc autoaim has ****** me over. the shell bugged off. the shells bounces of a paper tank. Or even hits tracks.

hardy hazel Oct 10, 2020, 3:58 PM

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I only use auto aim when im chassing someone or when im ramming others meds or lights tanks

drowsy idol Oct 10, 2020, 4:04 PM

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i only use pc when my mobile device is dead lmao

midnight fable Oct 10, 2020, 5:14 PM

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For me, I dont play on mobile anymore because pc is easier to aim.
That being said, my only mobile device is my phone, which isnt very big.
My only gripe about playing on pc is the autoaim is trash. I kick myself far too often by using it. Cant tell you how many games I've lost because I've relied on pc auto aim.

minor minnow Oct 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I only use auto aim when im chassing someone or when im ramming others meds or lights tanks
I normally use Autoaim all the time, it’s just a lot more comfortable and convenient for me as a mobile player so I’m not constantly turning the gun, then stopping to fire. For comparison, I played the T62A with autoaim off and autoaim on. My average damage has been 3-400 more than compared to autoaim off

coarse harness Oct 10, 2020, 6:07 PM

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That was about PC auto aim, not mobile
PC auto aim is just an option
Mobile aim assist is a must have thing

austere citrus Oct 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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No

brisk reef Oct 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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The strv 74 in my opinion should have a higher damage gun as the armour is very week witch makes it seem more like a tier 5 than a tier 6. If the guns avarage damage was 180 or 200 it would be a much more balanced tank.

crystal spoke Oct 10, 2020, 7:09 PM

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@hidden ruin it depends if you have a lot of premi tanks or not

coarse harness Oct 10, 2020, 7:12 PM

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The turret has good enough armor on the strv

austere citrus Oct 10, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@brisk reef I think it’s pretty balanced because the uret is quite nice, 200dmg would just be kinda op

fiery dagger Oct 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Most tier 6 meds have 160 alpha. It doesn't feel like a tier 5... And the turret is pretty good nevertheless

uneven otter Oct 10, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Not sure where to post so I’ll do it here. WarGaming stop saying ghost shells don’t exist. This happened in a tournament. There’s no way it was WiFi I was on 60 frames with 40 ping.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746134467881599037/764601507508649984/1080p.mov

▶ Play video

austere citrus Oct 10, 2020, 9:46 PM

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No that’s just ur WiFi

hardy hazel Oct 10, 2020, 10:03 PM

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It happens to me some times, i play with +-150 ping all the time but that never happened before vickers line was introduced to the game

drowsy plaza Oct 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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@brisk reef the STRV doesn’t need a buff.

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hardy hazel Oct 10, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Why 🤪 ?

dense walrus Oct 11, 2020, 12:05 AM

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read pinned
also: blur names, carry harder, one game doesn't prove anything, MM is fine, and no one wants to hear another MM complaint.
I think that covers it.

crystal spoke Oct 11, 2020, 12:06 AM

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I dont see a problem either except that this isn't the place for mm complaints

drowsy plaza Oct 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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@warped pendant Yes

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This isn’t a MM rant channel. Glad you got the message

deft owl Oct 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Did they really buffed the smasher in update 7.3?

Check blitz hangar. It seems camo rating on it got a small buff.
https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/7-3

7.3 changes

All changes from 7.3 game client, compared to previous release.

dense walrus Oct 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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ah yes let's help the campers out even more

drowsy plaza Oct 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Say what?

nocturne mauve Oct 11, 2020, 12:29 AM

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It really did have a buff lol

austere citrus Oct 11, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Bruh, big bruh wargaming momento.

mental pasture Oct 11, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Everyone: "noooooooo! Nerf smasher!"

Wg:

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thick rover Oct 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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lol.

lunar niche Oct 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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The exact opposite lmao.

drowsy plaza Oct 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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I cry

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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I don’t know what’s worse the fact they buffed it or the fact someone on the team is either so obliviously unaware of what’s going on and buffed the camo for no reason when it’s a heavy

drowsy plaza Oct 11, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Well it does get spotted easy and targeted. So maybe they felt that was fair 👀

nocturne mauve Oct 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Smasher is overrated imo

drowsy plaza Oct 11, 2020, 12:52 AM

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It’s a glorious nub farmer. It’s toast to anyone who can play - but as noted sometimes the Smasher can farm your team faster than you can get them or their team. Some of the numbers put up on Smashers is insane. Also a side note. The Smasher took me over 2x as long to ace as any other tank. I ace most tanks inside 20 games. The Löwe took me 512. The Smasher took me 1039 (I am still showering to get the slime off me and I aced it in August.)

sudden path Oct 11, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Eh, the smasher is annoying but I prefer fast derps like t49 and waffle

winged barn Oct 11, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Wait, they buffed the smasher again?

...

Gj wg

jagged crescent Oct 11, 2020, 1:31 AM

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They also buffed the Matilda yet again

dense walrus Oct 11, 2020, 1:32 AM

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didn't it just get an armor nerf

hardy hazel Oct 11, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Oh i see, i wasnt complaining tho, also where can someone cry about mm here? I dont see a channel to talk about that 🤔