#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 161

zinc fossil Jul 25, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I'm not too sure on the exact specifics, that would be determined through proper testing. However I think taking the more gun and less armoured approach would help give some variety among the German heavies, and be a welcome buff to a fairly underloved tank. You'd have to be careful to to powercreep tanks like the E4 too hard, but I think it could be done.

remote oriole Jul 25, 2020, 11:44 PM

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The variety is given through the different armour layouts. I see no reason to change the VK 72. While the tank is only for special lovers, that is true for the entire line and i am fairly content with having tanks that don't appeal to the broad masses, but only specific people. It's not like the German superheavy gameplay can only be experienced through this one tank

zinc fossil Jul 26, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I appreciate the need for tanks which might not appeal to the general player base, the problem with the VK 72 is that reason it does not appeal to the general playerbase is because literally 3 other tanks, from the same nation, fill the exact same roll. The E-100 shares it's gun but better, and the Maus/VK 90 do the side scraping job far more reliably. Yes the armour layout is different, but the VK 72 has the worst. It's no secret that VK 72 is the worst performing out of the 3 tech tree heavies, due to this and other issues. Yes you can 'fix' this by simply buffing it, and that could work. But wouldn't it be more exciting to alter the role of the tank so that it doesn't have to fight for a niche already filled?

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 12:05 AM

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The VK 72 is no sidescraping heavy

zinc fossil Jul 26, 2020, 12:22 AM

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You're right, it sucks at it. But it also has a rear mounted turret, and a heavy like that which can't sidescrape effectively will struggle against those that can. The VK 72 happens to have 2 other rear turret German heavies competing against it which can sidescrape effectively

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 12:29 AM

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The VK 72 is most effectively used with the front for tanking and the sides for baiting. You can angle the tank slightly, and thanks to the rather strong side armour (aside from the obvious weakspots) you can come around corners front first slightly angled without having to expose very weak parts of your armour. Since there is a small stripe on the front which can be penetrated with prammo (some tanks can even pen it with standard) even when sufficiently angled it is absolutely vital to use the side and to make people shoot your side armour, but not the weakspots.

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vale sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Whenever I face the vk at a distance the lower plate is vulnerable to prammo
Depends if the vk is above you or not

muted rampart Jul 26, 2020, 12:54 AM

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If the weakspot on sides of vk will be buffed to around 300-330 mm od effective armor All problems with it will be solved. I Don t see any point in buffing and nerfing a thousands of things when WG can just do 1 thing and it will be fine

odd tendon Jul 26, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Why are people asking for more heavy buffs? Did we forget mediums exist?

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Yeah, the lower plate is vulnerable to prammo, which is why you have to bait so much with your armour to make them shoot trollish parts. It's not a heavy that can just sit in the open and tank shots somewhat reliably

north nimbus Jul 26, 2020, 12:57 AM

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@odd tendon nobody cares about mediums getting buffed cause they're mostly fine as is, and its only one heavy tank we are talking about that is my personal favorate but i think everbody can agree with me when i say it's the most lacking tier X heavy, and it should get some love, it keeps getting outclassed because while the tanks around it get buffed it has remained about the same from when it first came into the game.

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I think the VK 72 should get a side armor buff from 160 to 210, leave the front armor the same, Lower the damage but give it more DPM maybe like 2500 with a 500 or 460 damage average, then buff the Mobilty a small bit and up the top speed from 30 to 32. I hope some WG devs see this cause they really really need to give the tank some love. this is just a thought they can buff it in whatever way they like, more maybe even instead of changing the gun all together maybe add a researchable gun for like 10k xp that does 460 damage with a 10 second reload and 250mm of pen. and ofc this is just my opinion you don't need to agree with me at all

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I am against buffing that tank. I feel like the E100 fills the role of an easy-to-play tank with that style already. I repeat myself but I quite simply don't see a need to change that tank in any way, it's already unique in its armour layout and in the resulting playstyle, and as I mentioned someday before, it is perfectly fine that there are also bad tanks for the sake of preventing powercreep

winged barn Jul 26, 2020, 1:17 AM

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A tier 10 when the game was introduced probably is closer to the level of a tier 8 currently. This stupid amount of powercreep makes me sad

odd tendon Jul 26, 2020, 1:18 AM

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@north nimbus your precious vk72 performs better than most mediums of the same tier so it shouldn't be buffed

north nimbus Jul 26, 2020, 1:19 AM

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@odd tendon whatever you say, mediums kill me alot in that tank but whatever, and tbh and very simple DPM buff for the vk from 17 to 16 would be fine. When i see tier X medium tank players they almost always know what they're going, the only medium tanks for tier x that i've seen that are getting outclassed are British and american ones. i'm sure they might be more but idk

jagged crescent Jul 26, 2020, 1:21 AM

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I still want my 120mm of side armor on the WZ 111 1-4.

@remote oriole idc, WG’s numeral values say that there’s 120mm of side armor on the 1-4. So I want the 120 mm of side armor.

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 1:24 AM

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We actually had little powercreep in Blitz, a tier ten that was good when the game was introduced is just average or bad now, but by far not a tier eight. We have a lot of tanks that were never changed since their introduction, aside from class buffs and nerfs like the medium nerf or heavy hp buff

WZ-111 1-4 is a heavium and should not be made a good sidescraper. The tank is not about hull armour. Ooo-kay?

north nimbus Jul 26, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I'm not sure how to start saying this but tbh WG should re-work like every tank to each have somewhat unique characteristics that make them enjoyable and balanced here would be an example: The Sheridan, it has speed and high damage but lacks armor and Pen which to me sounds balanced, or a different example: the 183, it has great damage great pen, but it lacks everthing else, another different example: vickers light 105, its not great at anthing other than view range, it excels at pretty much nothing as far as a light tank goes but doesn't lack anything really as far a light tank goes as well. this is very hard to explain and this probably sounds stupid to most people but i think thats how every tank should be, and yes this would require alot of work on WG's part. Pretty much what i'm trying to say is every tank sould have something good about but but then something to counteract it.

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Wargaming is doing that. The problem is that with variety comes imbalance, and that's why we have stronger and weaker tanks, which is perfectly fine. This is why i support having weak tanks and keeping them weak , it's in the name of variety, and I prefer some tanks being consistently weak than a power creep which will slowly make one tank after the other obsolete.

Also, with the amounts of tanks in the game we are starting or already encountering the issue that there are more tanks than unique playstyles, so we have a number of tanks with the same playstyle in one tier that just play differently due to some different aspects

north nimbus Jul 26, 2020, 1:42 AM

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@remote oriole you're right, but i don't think some tanks should be down right trash like the type 58 or t28. Tanks like that should at least keep up some what. Like when you were saying weaker or stronger tanks, but not so weak or so strong to the point where the suck tremendously or are incredibly overpowered. I can't think of any tanks at the moment that are incredibly overpowered other than ke Ni ostu (ostu was a falt in the coding so that doesn't really count)

unique scaffold Jul 26, 2020, 1:46 AM

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I mean you do know it’s been established by now T22 isn’t op

north nimbus Jul 26, 2020, 1:52 AM

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i'd really love to know why war gaming thought it was a great idea to make all tanks have better pen, liked the game alot more when tanks like the IS 6 still had 175mm of pen, just me and has nothing to do with what i said up here ^

near turtle Jul 26, 2020, 1:59 AM

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jugar el torneo

golden owl Jul 26, 2020, 3:11 AM

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You can’t even pen the cupola of a vk100.01 p with 175mm of pen...

jagged crescent Jul 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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You can pen the lower plate instead

north nimbus Jul 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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@golden owl thats what i'm saying, you need skill smh instead of being a noob, aim for a different area, not hard. WHo the hell even shoots the Cupola of the Vk....

nimble zodiac Jul 26, 2020, 3:17 AM

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It’s actually possible to penetrate a 175mm cupola with 175mm of pen

Also I shoot VK cupola when it’s hulldown, in my Lowe, it won’t miss often

karmic portal Jul 26, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Just use apcr then if 175mm isn’t enough

golden owl Jul 26, 2020, 3:30 AM

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@nimble zodiac it’s nominally 175mm but because it’s curved there’s only a sliver of grey area and at that point I would rather just shoot the lower plate.

@north nimbus sometimes you don’t have the luxury of being in an open field with no obstacles. Any experienced player would know to hide the lower plate

nimble zodiac Jul 26, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Then the APCR argument stands, I think it’d be unfortunate that a light tank would try to fight a well-positioned heavy tank from the front without pressing 2

rare iris Jul 26, 2020, 4:04 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfTanksBlitz/comments/hxyiqf/my_gravity_mode_experience_in_a_nutshell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

r/WorldOfTanksBlitz - My Gravity Mode experience in a Nutshell

44 votes and 6 comments so far on Reddit

minor minnow Jul 26, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Honestly the cupola is just a touch troll for the lower pen guns, like it’s such a small gap then there’s no real point in taking the risk, just load APCR and aim for the cheeks, you’re more likely to hit

nimble zodiac Jul 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Likely APCR pen (ofc the lower left corner doesn’t count for structural reasons) for tanks like ltwt, and even lucky AP pen rolls

@plush perch 1/1 then? And I meant you gotta come up with a second if you're gonna say first of all

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plush perch Jul 26, 2020, 4:59 AM

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first of all, i would not try to aim and shoot his cupola with any light tank, i meant i would not try to aim from front unless it is really situational

karmic portal Jul 26, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Cupola much easier pen then cheeks wdym

jagged crescent Jul 26, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Lower plates even easier

keen dagger Jul 26, 2020, 7:04 AM

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🤔

verbal thistle Jul 26, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Honestly the cupola is just a touch troll for the lower pen guns, like it’s such a small gap then there’s no real point in taking the risk, just load APCR and aim for the cheeks, you’re more likely to hit
@minor minnow T-54 mod 1 agress

pallid widget Jul 26, 2020, 12:36 PM

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u can easily hit it with accurate gun like lowe

minor minnow Jul 26, 2020, 12:52 PM

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@pallid widget no duh but we’re not talking about the lowe so shhh

muted rampart Jul 26, 2020, 1:42 PM

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the coupola of vk 100 is a joke. everybody can pen it and its so big... the tank overall is good but if wg could buff it to maybe 230 of efective armor and nerf dpm or something it would nbe good imo

@viscid blade who is troll?

@plush perch i told tank is good overall. i haven t told the tank really needs it to be good. i told it could be like that and then tank would fit it s role better. the tank that really needs changes in this line isn t vk 100, but maushen

minor minnow Jul 26, 2020, 1:43 PM

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It has bad enough dpm to start

viscid blade Jul 26, 2020, 1:43 PM

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the troll is back

plush perch Jul 26, 2020, 1:44 PM

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230 mm is stupidly powerfull. it is fine as it is

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 1:46 PM

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The tank is good as it is, the cupola was nerfed to what it is because anything else would make it too trollish

compact nymph Jul 26, 2020, 1:53 PM

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« Nerf the dpm and buff the cupola » no thanks, I don’t want the dpm to be even worse than a 252u lol

muted rampart Jul 26, 2020, 1:56 PM

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i think maushen isn t fiting it s role at all. its the slowest tank on it s tier ( not counting t95 and tortoise ) that is suposed to be a less armored maus. the problem with this tank is that it can t be balanced. the difference between tier 8 and t10 is too big. the problem with maushen is that t8 can t do nearly anything to it but t10 is making it s armor uselles. if WG removes coupola to make it competitive to other t9 and t10 it will make it completly broken in match with t8, but if WG leaves it as it is the tank is completly uselles when fighting other t9 tanks or t10. what do you think about it?

@plush perch im not talking about vk 100 now. the maushen has a way bigger problems.

@viscid blade i don t want coupola to be buffed and i wrote why in upper part of meassage. i just want somebody to say what could be change in it to be competitive but to don t break the game on t8

plush perch Jul 26, 2020, 1:57 PM

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maybe stop asking for cupola buff , cupola is there for a reason...

viscid blade Jul 26, 2020, 1:57 PM

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the whole point of the cupola is to have a weakpoint so low pen tanks have a chance of penning, if u cant cupola block thats ur problem

remote oriole Jul 26, 2020, 3:21 PM

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#devs-answers Mäuschen performs fairly well if you ask me. No need for balancing

jagged crescent Jul 26, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Waiting on 7.1 stats

Also, 120mm of side armor for the WZ 111 1-4 (x3)

sand sky Jul 26, 2020, 4:57 PM

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WG Devs I noticed that the Tier X Chinese Collector Heavy Tank WZ-111 5A HEAT shell has penetration loss over distance. This doesn't make sense due to HEAT mechanics pls fix. I saw this in Blitzhangar & Wotinspector I'm not sure if it's mechanic is like that in-game though 🤷‍♂️

minor minnow Jul 26, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Well test it then, take a maus and aim at an area you know you can pen at point blank range, then take the maus to the other side of the map and do the same test. With how armour highlights work, it’ll show you if you can pen or not

jagged crescent Jul 26, 2020, 5:12 PM

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WoTInspector requires a premium subscription or something like that

vale sun Jul 26, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Mauschen
slow tank
Thanks, captain obvious

pallid widget Jul 26, 2020, 7:35 PM

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the coupola of vk 100 is a joke. everybody can pen it and its so big...
Just like for E4, u can block many hits by covering the cupola with ur gun

nocturne mauve Jul 26, 2020, 7:44 PM

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VK 100 is OP, 2k HP

nimble zodiac Jul 26, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Yeah, it’s great if you get good RNG on your shot to hit the center with a low-pen gun, and in some cases good penetration RNG too. For higher caliber guns, it would be nice to hit the center at all

winged barn Jul 26, 2020, 8:05 PM

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You have fantastic elevation and a long reload. Put you gun up in the air in front of the center of it, and nobody will pen it. The areas not covered by the gun get highly angled

jagged crescent Jul 26, 2020, 8:16 PM

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<@&481447501690568709> clean up^

unique scaffold Jul 26, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Tj has it.

gleaming apexBOT Jul 26, 2020, 8:16 PM

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dynoSuccess NeonEvel#0642 has been warned.

tender drift Jul 26, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Well he sure does

unique scaffold Jul 26, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I must be getting old. Out moderated by TJ XD

tender drift Jul 26, 2020, 8:17 PM

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XD good morning

unique scaffold Jul 26, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Afternoon for me but back at ya!

forest heath Jul 27, 2020, 1:26 AM

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the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 150mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 95mm and the penetration from 165mm to 173mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target. The fact that it sees tier VIII is criminal

stiff edge Jul 27, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Also taller than an e100 with paper sides

jagged crescent Jul 27, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Where’s the WZ 111 1-4’s 120mm of side armor (x4)

winged barn Jul 27, 2020, 2:27 AM

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I got the predator from the event for free (if you can call 1500ish matches in 2 weeks that)
E25 hugged my side once. Rage sold.
May I add that I sold it before collectors existed, so I didn't even get 2500 gold out of it

minor minnow Jul 27, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Free crap tank

odd tendon Jul 27, 2020, 2:42 AM

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buff m48 gun handling. it has most potato tier 10 med gun

nimble zodiac Jul 27, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Lol I didn't have to work that hard for my AMX CDC, and it's a tier above, rip

karmic portal Jul 27, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Why are they nerfing the conqueror? Like seriously out of all the tanks in blitz that’s the one they think needs to be rebalanced? I mean it’s a small nerf but why they focusing on it and not others?

winged barn Jul 27, 2020, 7:43 AM

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They realized it was dumb to have the 215b and conq have the same hp pool, but they dont want to actually buff the 215

I am convinced the entire balancing team is high.

coarse harness Jul 27, 2020, 9:17 AM

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IS-8 is the lowest heavy in the charts so maybe give it 6° (+1°) gun dep

Also give the T54E1 HE shells with 350-380 alpha and buff the frontal armor on the Tortoise to stop people penning it with AP shells while it's perfectly angled

verbal thistle Jul 27, 2020, 11:15 AM

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T-54 mod 1 needs a pen buff
From 175mm to 181mm
You just struggle to pen most of the times

plush perch Jul 27, 2020, 11:23 AM

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buff t54 ltwt , 175 to 182mm increased pen

latent tiger Jul 27, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Buff the e4 cammanders hatch

nimble zodiac Jul 27, 2020, 1:13 PM

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You can get 184mm of pen with CS so...

plush perch Jul 27, 2020, 1:26 PM

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and 9 sec reload for sluggish alpha ? nah , not saying ltwt is bad btw

stiff edge Jul 27, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Its got med armour on a light its fine, and the gun is workable

plush perch Jul 27, 2020, 2:03 PM

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@stiff edge i did not said anything is bad on ltwt but i was replying to> T-54 mod 1 needs a pen buff

From 175mm to 181mm
You just struggle to pen most of the times

royal crater Jul 27, 2020, 2:25 PM

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T-62A needs armor rework because other X Tier meds have better armor such as E 50 M and WZ-121

plush perch Jul 27, 2020, 2:26 PM

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@royal crater why? and what type

distant river Jul 27, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Lmao the T62 is one of the best meds with it's almost impenetrable turret, depression and great gun

If you want to bounce on your hull play the 140 and hope you get lucky

compact nymph Jul 27, 2020, 2:35 PM

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T-62A needs armor rework because other X Tier meds have better armor such as E 50 M and WZ-121
@royal crater So you are saying you want the T-62a to powercreep every other tier 10 mediums? It already didn’t need the gun depression buff it nevertheless got it.

hardy hazel Jul 27, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Sad FV4202 noises

regal grove Jul 27, 2020, 2:53 PM

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when u mean armor rework u better mean nerf bc rn u sound more high than the wg balancing department

compact nymph Jul 27, 2020, 3:00 PM

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^ a tank being outclassing all it’s peers in every/most aspects is not what I’d consider as « balance » (just mentioning it in case the concerned person did not notice this channel is marked as « balance discussion »).

jagged crescent Jul 27, 2020, 3:37 PM

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The 121’s a lot harder to use than the T62a. Less gun depression, atrocious gun bloom, and the hull’s a little long

real bison Jul 27, 2020, 3:45 PM

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but mmmm that alpha

verbal thistle Jul 27, 2020, 3:53 PM

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T-62A needs armor rework because other X Tier meds have better armor such as E 50 M and WZ-121
@royal crater yeah
Grille need armour too. Other TDs have better armour such as Jpz E100 and Foch 155

stiff edge Jul 27, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@plush perch pretty sure many other meds/lights at t8 have similar pen as the ltwt

plush perch Jul 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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@stiff edge as i said i did not complain lol

unique scaffold Jul 27, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Excelsior and T1 Heavy are a bit unbalanced. T1 Heavy Is a riding fortress and It's have only one mini weak spot. Excelsior same but no weak spots (I'm playing Churchill III and I rlly feel this unbalance)

plush perch Jul 27, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Excelsior is balanced @unique scaffold , you are just using bad pen gun and T1 heavy and BDR is op

latent snow Jul 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Excelsior is one of the worst tanks at teir 5? Flat armor, horrible pen and bad dispersion

winged barn Jul 27, 2020, 8:05 PM

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The pen was recently buffed.@latent snow
But yes, the tier 5 heavies need massive rebalancing.

unique scaffold Jul 27, 2020, 8:15 PM

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has the aces event started yet

regal grove Jul 27, 2020, 8:19 PM

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at 8:00 CST @unique scaffold

timber knot Jul 27, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Here are some very reasonable tiny buffs: All I want is 7 degrees of gun depression on the T110E4 because there has been way too many cases where I can just not take the shot by a centimeter, this also helps compensate with the big commanders cupola on top that is penetrable by everything. Next, buff the T30's front hull(102mm) up to the same as the T29(120mm); at tier 9 facing tier 10s, the hull just isn't cutting it at all anymore. Even with this buff the hull will still be pretty penetrable but it will give you some better protection when you are leaving solid cover.

unique scaffold Jul 27, 2020, 9:06 PM

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@latent snow as a Churchill III when I play against him I can't even pen him in front, no chance. And also Churchill III has a good armor but this annoying thing with fast reload can pen me without any problem, same with T1 Heavy but he has 1 weak spot - on the bottom hull armor

minor minnow Jul 27, 2020, 10:10 PM

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They realized it was dumb to have the 215b and conq have the same hp pool, but they dont want to actually buff the 215

I am convinced the entire balancing team is high.
@winged barn it’s because the 215B has so much DPM and the consumables to boot

full token Jul 27, 2020, 10:23 PM

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No one really wanted the consumables. They gave it consumables then nerfed its hp

little quarry Jul 27, 2020, 10:46 PM

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I wonder who's even using sandbags provision for 215b so far, just to compensate its HP nerfs though?

Reactive armor consumable probably a few, but not sandbags afaik

minor minnow Jul 27, 2020, 11:34 PM

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I’d use either reactive or engine boosters, but I don’t know who’s using sandbags

winged barn Jul 28, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I swapped out small food for the big sand bags, but that is just burning more of my credits because of idiotic balancing.

sand sky Jul 28, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Give IS-3 Defender Reverse Auto-Reloader like the IS-3A in WoT

stiff edge Jul 28, 2020, 1:35 AM

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No

minor minnow Jul 28, 2020, 1:38 AM

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hUh

vale sun Jul 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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this channel has so many garbage takes wtf
Also, absolute hype for the m a s s i v e HP buff to the 215b guys

minor minnow Jul 28, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Bro fr tho

karmic portal Jul 28, 2020, 5:56 AM

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So then if the fv has hp buff, why does the conq need hp nerf?

minor minnow Jul 28, 2020, 5:57 AM

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It’s a touch high compared to other heavies for its tier, idk for sure

vale sun Jul 28, 2020, 6:04 AM

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because the conq is the most op tank to ever exist and needs to be rebalanced™️ ASAP

neat dome Jul 28, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Buff amx 30b

turbid smelt Jul 28, 2020, 6:27 AM

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tier 9 conq op? isn't it the worst performing tier 9 heavy

hearty steeple Jul 28, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Well according to wg charts it is a the third best performing heavy in the tier in terms of winrate and best in terms of damage

turbid smelt Jul 28, 2020, 6:37 AM

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@hearty steeple
that graph is of players in range of 55% to 65% winrate

overall most players you would face, perform like in the screenshot below

conq has worse armour profile than tier 8 action x

action x can be dealt with tier 8 tanks
conq is tier 9 facing 10

mobility is meh

gun is the only good thing about it
but it is not lightyears ahead of its peers to be labeled "op"

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hidden fox Jul 28, 2020, 7:19 AM

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lololol

karmic portal Jul 28, 2020, 7:38 AM

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I love how wargaming prioritzes its buffs and nerfs, always staying on top of things

little quarry Jul 28, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Thats why Conqueror on tech tree are poor man's S. Conqueror nowadays

winged barn Jul 28, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I don't really see how the noobs screwed up the is8's stats so badly. That thing is a monster.

compact nymph Jul 28, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Because the IS-8 is a heavium and by looking regularly at this channel you will notice the average playerbase is absolutely unable to play properly heaviums, before crying « oMg iT’s a hEAvy bUt hAs [censored] aRmOr »

latent snow Jul 28, 2020, 9:23 AM

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^^^

little quarry Jul 28, 2020, 9:29 AM

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@compact nymph True dat

Playing an IS-5 should give them a proper lesson before playing IS-8 (IS-3 seemingly have lower profile than IS-5, even though its on tech tree, might trouble new players grinding IS-7 line)

willow forge Jul 28, 2020, 9:54 AM

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forest heath Jul 28, 2020, 10:18 AM

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@winged barn and that was when he predator was at least somewhat competitive yikes

worthy oriole Jul 28, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Buff my death stars camo! You can spot it from the moon.

full token Jul 28, 2020, 11:00 AM

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That’s nice

compact nymph Jul 28, 2020, 11:11 AM

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The Deathstar is in one of the best balance states it could be, aside from being removed from the game. If you ever want to buff it, remove the HESH first.

worthy oriole Jul 28, 2020, 11:19 AM

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Lmao remove the hesh? It has terrible camo, terrible movement, terrible everything. The only thing it has for it is the alpha damage IF it even hits anything. People are just biased and intimidated of it.

lone warren Jul 28, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Its camo got nerfed because not being able to spot a tank that can hit you for more than 1000 damage created obnoxious gameplay at tier ten

neat dome Jul 28, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Buff amx 30B

compact nymph Jul 28, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Lmao remove the hesh? It has terrible camo, terrible movement, terrible everything. The only thing it has for it is the alpha damage IF it even hits anything. People are just biased and intimidated of it.
@worthy oriole That’s the point. If it keeps the HESH then any form of buff would make it overpowered. We don’t want to see 4 183s in each battle at T10 again. To be short: 1) leave the tank as it is 2) remove it from the tech tree/game 3) if you want to buff it then remove the HESH as a compensation

hollow aurora Jul 28, 2020, 12:45 PM

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По

little quarry Jul 28, 2020, 12:51 PM

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If Deathstar gone, what tank that should be replacing it? @unique scaffold

If you saying Badger, thats sound stupid, because its already a collector tier X tank and people already pay hard cash for it

compact nymph Jul 28, 2020, 12:53 PM

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They might aswell just take a Tortoise with spaced armor at the front and a bigger gun

hearty steeple Jul 28, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Super tort. Well wg has proven time an again their ability to come with new tanks.

worthy oriole Jul 28, 2020, 1:06 PM

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@compact nymph The point is not to make it OP. We just asked for a simple camo buff AT least lol. Nobody wants to see a 183 spam but the thing needs a buff. It's been beat to death with nerfs. Imagine going down the line to reach the fv215b 183 and it's garbage? 😅 . Just my two cents. If they replaced it with something else and gave it a little bone, we would be content.

hearty steeple Jul 28, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Heres the thing. One big issue with 183 before its nerf was that it could drop 1300 hesh shells onto tanks and not get spotted. A tank that can cripple a tank with a single shell while remaining unspotted is simply bad for the game. Can you see why your suggestion for more camo on it is counter intuitive

compact nymph Jul 28, 2020, 1:12 PM

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@worthy oriole A camo buff means that after the 183 slapped you for 1300 dmg, he will have higher chances of not getting spotted. So you can’t shoot him back, and it encourages camping/very passive battles. With the heavy spam since the hp buffs T10 battles are already slow-paced enough

worthy oriole Jul 28, 2020, 1:17 PM

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If any tank should be nerfed it's the foch

meager spruce Jul 28, 2020, 1:27 PM

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there are quite a few tanks that need a nerf before the foch

deft trail Jul 28, 2020, 1:29 PM

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How much can we sell Matilda IV level 5 ? Pls

lone warren Jul 28, 2020, 1:35 PM

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@deft trail Matilda IV is a premium tank, so its sold for credits, probably for around 500,000 as a tier 5. If you have it, check it yourself

compact nymph Jul 28, 2020, 1:36 PM

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^ premium tanks sell for credits, not gold (unlike collectors).

jagged crescent Jul 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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I still want my 120m of WZ 111 1-4 side armor smh

compact nymph Jul 28, 2020, 2:54 PM

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I agree. The tank didn’t feel unpleasant to play but if you announce the side armor as being 120mm thick there is no reason for it to be only 80mm.

minor minnow Jul 28, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Is that including spaced armor? If there is any?

nimble zodiac Jul 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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It's 30mm which adds it up to 110mm base, which is still not high enough for given value

Buff Gravedigger's shell capacity pls ._.

unique scaffold Jul 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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^^^ u sir are speaking sense, give grave digger more shells

minor minnow Jul 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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That or buff the pen/damage. That way you can get more bang for your buck or get more pens per shot

Edit: @nimble zodiac I hope you realize that more shells will equal more damage regardless, right?

nimble zodiac Jul 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I don't want damage though, I want either more shells, more pen, or more dun depression, which is probably not artistically possible

@minor minnow more damage if you pen xD

My point is I don't want it to have a high burst damage, 540 is rather special for tier 7, only like 3 other tanks can mimic that with their prammo, also it might become OP if it gets that clip potential

slow burrow Jul 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Pls remove atgm’s, they make it unfair if one team has one and the other doesn’t, even worse is that a grill and waffle and needed anymore as the atgm’s have the same alpha just light tank camo and more speed and spaced armor, pls fix this issue

nimble zodiac Jul 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

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It's not even OP anymore, the spaced armor is only annoying to good players who want an HE shell in it, and it does NOT have the same alpha as the waffle/grille, only 40 more with their HE shell than the WT/15's AP shell, as it does 560/490/680

minor minnow Jul 28, 2020, 6:22 PM

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It’s really not OP anymore, it’s more of an annoyance than anything

unique scaffold Jul 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Why would Foch be nerfed? Just aim for the cupolas

minor minnow Jul 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Exactly^^^ aim for the cupolas when head on, and when it’s angled to any degree aim for the drive wheel

unique scaffold Jul 28, 2020, 8:09 PM

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No balance in game. Somehow no respected player can still in play. Some players like to die in first minute as always and they can still in play. I dont want to end this game with this randoms

jagged crescent Jul 28, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Shutup Stevo

full token Jul 28, 2020, 8:15 PM

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What do you mean by ‘still in play’? I can’t understand this

nimble zodiac Jul 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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@full token I guess he means not getting banned or sumn because they perform terribly?

full token Jul 28, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Oh that

calm ruin Jul 28, 2020, 11:58 PM

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@limber pecan gn

bronze osprey Jul 29, 2020, 12:40 AM

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aye can tor get some love, some kind of buff!?

nimble zodiac Jul 29, 2020, 12:51 AM

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TOG II* you mean? Give it HP 😂

minor minnow Jul 29, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Tog or tortoise, they could both use buffs

jagged crescent Jul 29, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Tortoise armor buff yes yes

And I still want my 120mm or side armor for the WZ-111 1-4

restive turtle Jul 29, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Anyone have opinions on the IS-4 and IS-7 tank family? IS-7 was once better than the IS-4, and for a short period they were equal, and for the past long time the IS-4 has been significantly stronger. Could we see the IS-7 back in the meta, even a little?

stiff edge Jul 29, 2020, 1:38 AM

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no

minor minnow Jul 29, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I wouldn’t mind, maybe a RoF buff, but otherwise I think it’s fine as is, I can still maintain a 60% wr in it

nimble zodiac Jul 29, 2020, 3:00 AM

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IS-7 is great for pubs, bullyin nubs, taking dubs,threatening hugs

It's great, sure IS-4 may be more competitive but IS-7 can still pull its own weight

Uhh I didn't mean to rhyme on the second chat group ._.

minor minnow Jul 29, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Sill great rhymes tho

karmic steeple Jul 29, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Bars

jagged crescent Jul 29, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Ik a IS7 user who can pull his weight in tourneys

warm moss Jul 29, 2020, 5:39 AM

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if you know the mechanics of the IS7, its a very amazing tank and should be feared just as much, say an IS4, if you have a team of IS-7’s V IS-4’s the chances of IS-7’s winning (with appropriate knowledge of a top clan both side Ex. RGN v RGN) would be significantly higher using standard or even still premium

stiff edge Jul 29, 2020, 6:39 AM

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What
Are you serious
Do you actually think the is7 is better or equal to the is4
Bruh

plush perch Jul 29, 2020, 6:55 AM

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is4 is better than is 7 no matter what

void wren Jul 29, 2020, 9:39 AM

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IS 5 and IS 3 need frontal armour buff

wet wharf Jul 29, 2020, 10:05 AM

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and you get a object 252U

lone warren Jul 29, 2020, 10:07 AM

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They are fine how they are

plush perch Jul 29, 2020, 10:16 AM

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they are not, everything can pen them

void wren Jul 29, 2020, 10:27 AM

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they are not, everything can pen them
@plush perch ikr

lone warren Jul 29, 2020, 11:25 AM

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IS-3 is fine where it is. It’s a low profile tank, it’s very easy to hide the hull armour behind cover other tanks simply could not use, as well as having one of the strongest turrets at tier 8. It has the mobility to act like a heavium, and it has enough gun capabilities with accuracy on the better side of tier 8 Russian heavies.
Buffing its frontal hull armour will definitely make it over-perform at tier 8.

plush perch Jul 29, 2020, 11:29 AM

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i dont fear from is3 when i see it as a enemy, even hulldown cuz it had bad gun dep

dark glen Jul 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

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Then play differently, it’s a great tank still

void wren Jul 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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@plush perch ikr
@void wren 0 armour useless

dusky cargo Jul 29, 2020, 12:29 PM

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predator needs either a big armour or big pen buff, 165mm AP pen and 210mm APCR pen is no where near enough to fight tier 8s and tier 7 heavies since the armour buff of most tier 7 heavies, and the predators armour, and the vindicators to a lesser extent are made obsolete by newer tier 7s like the gravedigger which are superior to the predator in almost every stat

acoustic shard Jul 29, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Ammo capacity buffs needed on many tanks t7 and up WZ blaze t57 heavy t69 and many others. I was Finding my self running out of shells before the HP buffs in those tanks but since the HP buffs even more then ever. But WZ blaze over all of them you can barley pull 4.5k without running out of ammo.

pastel cairn Jul 29, 2020, 2:55 PM

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American meds are fine as is, the tier IX could use a little help tho

grizzled sleet Jul 29, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Pfff that's a meme, that's like the single handed worst American line. Both pattons need a buff Pershing is just a joke and bc I won't ever go down that line for such a trashcan of a tank I can't remember what the tier 7 is if it's the T21 or T20

little quarry Jul 29, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Yep, thats what all people who dont play US tanks said-

Its a boomer line, below standards now unfortunately :/

grizzled sleet Jul 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I love me some American heavies but that med line is just a joke

zenith dirge Jul 29, 2020, 3:23 PM

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lol

outer hawk Jul 29, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Add something like this for millitary honour (from World Of Warships Blitz)

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plush perch Jul 29, 2020, 3:31 PM

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lol

compact nymph Jul 29, 2020, 3:32 PM

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I’d have to report about 80% of my teammates then

grizzled sleet Jul 29, 2020, 3:33 PM

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I wouldn't even bother

dense walrus Jul 29, 2020, 3:33 PM

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How is being unskilled reportable 🤔

viscid blade Jul 29, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I mean I just give em UC instead cuz yoloing and camping is unsporting 🤣

remote oriole Jul 29, 2020, 3:57 PM

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@dense walrus It’s a placebo to keep the complaints clean of people who just report for the sake of reporting. A bit like giving someone “Lucky Player” just clearer and less... could be nice, could be mean

dense walrus Jul 29, 2020, 3:57 PM

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@remote oriole well yea knowing that MH in blitz is useless I didn’t think that was any better, but unskilled 😂

scarlet socket Jul 29, 2020, 4:07 PM

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hola

full token Jul 29, 2020, 4:41 PM

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The pro players must use that all the time

nimble zodiac Jul 29, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Pretty sure three prov coms in one game slap a warning or a mute, but other than that I'm not sure

Besides, isn't being unskilled in general the reason a team loses? Sure tanks and stuff but they all require some sort of skill

rancid wharf Jul 29, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Luck m8 innit

tardy lynx Jul 29, 2020, 6:35 PM

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hola
@JULIO#8113
Buenas

plush perch Jul 29, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Nerf , XD

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manic oriole Jul 29, 2020, 7:02 PM

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252 needs buff

serene reef Jul 29, 2020, 7:05 PM

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252 need nerf

remote oriole Jul 29, 2020, 7:18 PM

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i disagree

pastel cairn Jul 29, 2020, 7:23 PM

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If you think the 252u needs a buff you’re clearly not playing it right

drowsy idol Jul 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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We’d run out of complaints

manic oriole Jul 29, 2020, 7:27 PM

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252 u is bad it needs 640 alpha

nimble zodiac Jul 29, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I think it’s balanced :3

viscid blade Jul 29, 2020, 7:31 PM

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252 need turret buff, cheeks and top ez pen, also buff lfp it’s weak af

latent snow Jul 29, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Yeah the lower plate is meant to be the weak point

jagged crescent Jul 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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252 need gun handling nerf 420 alpha so bad when can't aim right also buff side armor it ez pen 😠

rough bramble Jul 29, 2020, 8:08 PM

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helow

remote oriole Jul 29, 2020, 8:49 PM

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@pastel cairn I disagree with it getting a nerf. That does not imply that I want it to be buffed

unique scaffold Jul 29, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Those people asking for a buff are trolls or 'memers' trying to be funny. Don't feed them.

bleak radish Jul 29, 2020, 8:52 PM

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One word: Smasher

winged barn Jul 29, 2020, 9:22 PM

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smasher somehow gets buffed

eternal granite Jul 29, 2020, 10:08 PM

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They should buff T69 to slow

void wren Jul 29, 2020, 10:36 PM

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if u think 252u needs buff think about IS 5 and IS 3

real bison Jul 29, 2020, 10:39 PM

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@void wren think about the IS-6

lone warren Jul 29, 2020, 10:46 PM

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IS-3 does not need a buff. You suggested a buff to its frontal hull armour earlier, I already explained why that would make it over perform at tier 8.

void wren Jul 29, 2020, 10:59 PM

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IS 5 needs a buff the gun isn't as good the armour on the turret is also worst the speed is also worst

frail silo Jul 29, 2020, 11:02 PM

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the speed is good what are you talking about
and the tank can fairly hold itself when hulldown
it has weakspot on the roof so you might wanna consider something else other than face hugging
it has troll sides and is extremely good in reverse side scraping
and overall a decent brawler
you should also consider picking the medium route in it

nimble zodiac Jul 29, 2020, 11:54 PM

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IS-8 moment

@viscid blade 300mm ain't enough, gotta slap another 150mm spaced plate so people can't spam HEAT on ya ;)

viscid blade Jul 30, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Is5 and is3 are perfectly balanced, 252u needs a buff, it’s way worse than the is5 and is3, turret weak af and lfp needs more armor, myb 300mm? Also need better gun handling, can’t hit a barn, needs better dpm too

karmic portal Jul 30, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Fax

oblique sentinel Jul 30, 2020, 12:45 AM

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what needs an armour buff is the is2sh

drowsy idol Jul 30, 2020, 1:53 AM

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What about the ho ri type 3

minor minnow Jul 30, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Apparently that is the Ho Ri at t10, was so hyped to see the ho ri prototype or production lik in wt, although I guess you can call the type 2 that

little quarry Jul 30, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I would like to see Na-To hopefully in future- sounds like a neat tank and has (literally) traversible turret

empty loom Jul 30, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Please make the stock grind on the t-54 less painful.. using a tier 7 gun in a tier 10 match... make the required exp for the tier 9 guns around 40k

smoky marsh Jul 30, 2020, 3:06 AM

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It said im disconnect from the server, is that something to be concerned about?

shell marsh Jul 30, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Please give Japanese Mediums a tiny bit more armor?
Their speed is good, but not good enough to perform a hit-and-run tactic like most other mediums. They usually get their tracks derailed and everything can peg them. They have very little-to-no defense in terms of armor. This is highly a problem with the Chi-To and the Chi-Ri.
The Japanese Tank Destroyers, however, have enough armor to be at least considerable. But the medium tanks ultimately can't be used for direct confrontation, which is what a medium tank should be able to do, and ultimately makes the Japanese Tank Line enraging and tedious to try and go through the tiers with.
Does anybody else agree?

regal grove Jul 30, 2020, 3:20 AM

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they're getting buffed next update so chill

silent drum Jul 30, 2020, 3:46 AM

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I think the whole vickers light line (vickers light fv301 and ESPECIALLY the vickers cr) need their armor nerfed by a considerable bit, there’s no reason that a light tank has more armor than half the heavies in its tier and better speed/dpm.

gleaming ridge Jul 30, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I feel like the progetto 65 needs a buff to pen because its miserable in combat unless your conpletely outflanking the enemy, i can barely even pen mediums with this thing unless im using heat and even then its hit and miss (not even considering heavies), its just not viable

winged barn Jul 30, 2020, 4:37 AM

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@gleaming ridge you do realize the prog65 has penetration values right in line with the other tier 10 mediums

gleaming ridge Jul 30, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Yea but going against another medium compared to your armor you have a huge disadvantage despite the clip, because your shells will bounce, again unless your flanking but thats just my opinion

plush perch Jul 30, 2020, 5:16 AM

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@pastel cairn I disagree with it getting a nerf. That does not imply that I want it to be buffed
@remote oriole side armor should be nerfed

verbal thistle Jul 30, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Yea but going against another medium compared to your armor you have a huge disadvantage despite the clip, because your shells will bounce, again unless your flanking but thats just my opinion
@gleaming ridge if you're having problems penning tanks
Then you're not playing it correct

queen hemlock Jul 30, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Yea but going against another medium compared to your armor you have a huge disadvantage despite the clip, because your shells will bounce, again unless your flanking but thats just my opinion
@gleaming ridge your upper front plate has a really steep angle to it, making it auto bounce for a lot of guns when you use gun depression.

remote oriole Jul 30, 2020, 10:26 AM

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The Progetto 65 is an annoying enemy to go against in Medium tanks because if they are not head on chances are that the whole upper plate is an auto-bounce, which is why by now everyone goes for the turret. Since it’s 50mm and only 151mm+ guns can triple overmatch it that’s even true for most heavies at the tier (but they have an easier time penetrating the upper side because you need a 121mm+ gun to triple overmatch that). If you can you should shoot the first drive wheel because that is the safest shot unless he is very much facing towards you or hiding his lower hull

magic lagoon Jul 30, 2020, 11:41 AM

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Add this tank plllsss

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grizzled sleet Jul 30, 2020, 11:47 AM

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That's basically an AMX 13 105

worthy oriole Jul 30, 2020, 1:23 PM

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T32 needs a buff.

minor minnow Jul 30, 2020, 1:32 PM

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@worthy oriole no, it doesn’t. The only real drawback it has is the pen values on the gun. If you can’t work past it don’t play the tank

jagged crescent Jul 30, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Calibrated shells

next chasm Jul 30, 2020, 2:59 PM

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buff gravedigger bcs its actually unplayable f

timber knot Jul 30, 2020, 3:58 PM

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If you want to convince someone something needs a buff, you should probably say what of the tank needs a buff, why it needs one, and how will it affect day to day battles

tawdry glen Jul 30, 2020, 4:07 PM

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yeah

jagged crescent Jul 30, 2020, 4:09 PM

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where's my 120mm WZ 111 1-4 side armor (x5)

full token Jul 30, 2020, 4:20 PM

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600mm?!!! That’s a lot to ask for

odd tendon Jul 30, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Where is the well deserved m48 gun handling buff?

empty dagger Jul 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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The T-26 E4 predator. It's so slow. And the armor is garbage.

nimble zodiac Jul 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Not if you use it correctly, many shots are troll bounces and others are RNG misses

winged barn Jul 30, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Nah, the Spersh is garbage. Dont even bother to stand up for it.

distant river Jul 30, 2020, 6:38 PM

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It isn't terrible for some, it has a nice high skill floor but a horrifically low ceiling as well.

coarse harness Jul 30, 2020, 6:40 PM

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A gun handling buff would be deserved tho IMO

worthy oriole Jul 30, 2020, 6:48 PM

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@minor minnow the luchs doesnt doesnt need a buff either so "if you can't work past it, don't play the tank" homie 😎

plush perch Jul 30, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Luchs does , it has slower traverse speed than heavies

minor minnow Jul 30, 2020, 6:52 PM

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I 100% disagree with that statement. The only tanks at it’s tier that have a slower traverse are the B1 and Matilda, and that’s by less than 3 degrees. The luchs is a proper light tank and it deserves proper light tank mobility

odd tendon Jul 30, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Wow, did someone actually try to say the super pershing isn't straight up garbage? It has heavy tank mobility and gun handling with low alpha. The worst traits of heavies with none of the advantages of being a medium. Try comparing the super pershing with the t26e5 and see how awful the pershing is. 400 less hp, 300 less dpm with less alpha, worse gun handling, and infinitely worse armor profile.

nimble zodiac Jul 30, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Nah I understand how garbage it is but saying such for the armor seems excessive =p

Besides, it performs better than Pershing interestingly

wicked pine Jul 30, 2020, 7:20 PM

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vickers cr nerf when?

full token Jul 30, 2020, 7:38 PM

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May not be next update since Open Test had nothing. Hopefully 7.3 has a nerf

wheat spear Jul 30, 2020, 9:22 PM

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IS-3 does not need a buff. You suggested a buff to its frontal hull armour earlier, I already explained why that would make it over perform at tier 8.
@lone warren IS-3 is pretty medicore compared to other tier 8 heavies

remote oriole Jul 30, 2020, 9:33 PM

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So if it’s mediocre, why buff it?

shell marsh Jul 30, 2020, 9:39 PM

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I'll tell you both what needs a buff
The ISU-152's front armor, by at most 12mm

jagged crescent Jul 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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hahahahahahahahahah
no

lone warren Jul 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Not every tank has to be amazing honestly. The IS-3 is a solid tier 8 anyway.
The individual originally suggested a frontal hull armour buff which is definitely too much.
It’s low profile, has one of the strongest turrets at tier 8 and has mobility to act like a heavium, last thing it needs is its hull armour buffed.
The tank, statistically, has also been one of the better performers at tier 8.

I’d rather they looked at buffing things that actually need it, like the T28.

round bluff Jul 30, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Wz120-1g ft or t28????

white willow Jul 30, 2020, 10:05 PM

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WZ

regal grove Jul 30, 2020, 10:27 PM

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4head

sand sky Jul 30, 2020, 10:28 PM

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T26E4 Super Pershing is trash only in that it has an underpowered engine, garbage dispersion on the move, lack of armour behind the gun mantlet and the hull spaced armour isn't double layered

crystal spoke Jul 30, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Its excellent against people who cant aim though

nimble zodiac Jul 30, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Why specifically 27? Don’t try to match DPMs

minor minnow Jul 30, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Matching DPM’s isn’t going to balance a tank to any degree. A simple turret buff and maybe some accuracy buffs would make it decent.

sand sky Jul 30, 2020, 10:56 PM

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T26E4 Super Pershing needs 101mm primary armour behind the gun mantlet

ornate steppe Jul 30, 2020, 11:06 PM

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So can someone tell me why a Smasher somehow penned my turret with HE, but then we go into a training room, and it doesnt even work.

I have 2 more screenshots and a little clip ill post soon

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distant river Jul 30, 2020, 11:19 PM

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718 is necessarily HE, and there are exceptionally small sections which can be pennedon the cupola, but I guess it's just an AP high roll through the cupola

ornate steppe Jul 30, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Listen closely it was HE

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dense walrus Jul 30, 2020, 11:23 PM

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It’s your fault for sitting still when you weren’t reloaded yet

ornate steppe Jul 30, 2020, 11:34 PM

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@dense walrus thats not the point here, the point is he penned my turret with HE

@distant river these are more screenshots, it still whould not be possible.

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Heres another SS

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regal grove Jul 30, 2020, 11:45 PM

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btw ur fault for not moving

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ornate steppe Jul 31, 2020, 12:00 AM

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@regal grove like i said thats not the point here, its the fact that he penned my turret with HE
EVEN if he was shotting AP he still woudlnt of penned regardless if he was running CS, EVEN if he was to pen with HEAT he still wouldn't be possible to even roll that high with HEAT.

And @dense walrus its not possible, how bout u actually look harder at the SS, tell me how its possible.

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dense walrus Jul 31, 2020, 12:08 AM

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He just showed you a picture of how it is possible. Just accept it and move on.
@ornate steppe how about you actually look at his image and quit complaining

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 12:11 AM

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IS-7’s frontal turret can be penned with HE 🤔

minor minnow Jul 31, 2020, 12:18 AM

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It’s fine how it is, it traded a bit of DPM for a higher alpha while keeping the Soviet turret

ornate steppe Jul 31, 2020, 12:20 AM

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@dense walrus LOOK at what, all my information and SS and HIS clearly shows that it cant be penned, so whats ur point here.

Thats not where he penned, and thats an EXTREMELY small spot to hit, if u move the curser around more its about 120+mm of armor.

dense walrus Jul 31, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Both of these screenshots clearly show that it’s possible.

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eager cove Jul 31, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Ye

hollow tundra Jul 31, 2020, 12:34 AM

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@dense walrus YOUR ALIVE

eager cove Jul 31, 2020, 1:16 AM

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RNGesus is left u and smasher has been supported from rngesus

plush perch Jul 31, 2020, 1:30 AM

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bruh, at least give smasher same penetration values as su 152 instead of making it stoopidly op

narrow fractal Jul 31, 2020, 1:47 AM

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nerf fv accuracy wg... i ammoracked again

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nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 1:51 AM

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@plush perch you're asking for an AP nerf by 5 and an HE buff by 1

austere citrus Jul 31, 2020, 1:58 AM

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buff Obj. 252U - 2200DPM - allows wargaming to get more $$$

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 2:04 AM

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@austere citrus it's barely worse than IS-3's DPM, don't buff

thick rover Jul 31, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Omg I saw someone ammorekt in a T110E4 again pls nerf

austere citrus Jul 31, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Buff the SP I C. The tanks is legit garbage, I remember when it was actually quite good years ago. Since armor sucks and the speed/traverse isn't even that good for like legit the smallest tank in it's tier. It's all about the gun. New Buff -- Autoreloader -- 2 shells -- AP(225dmg, 175mm), HEAT(190dmg, 225mm), HE(270dmg, 75mm) -- magazine reload - 9 seconds -- shell reload -- 2.5 seconds -- 0.29 dispersion -- aiming time - 2.3 seconds - Also, add a second gun that deals big damage with Ru 251

regal grove Jul 31, 2020, 2:21 AM

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??? the sp1c is so good now wym

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2020, 2:23 AM

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i'll say it need a few small buffs here and there, if not the afore mentioned specifications

crisp elm Jul 31, 2020, 2:32 AM

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bro what. why would ru251 need a bigger gun?

jagged crescent Jul 31, 2020, 3:19 AM

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The Leopard 1 line's in a good spot rn.

would be cool for the tier IX and X to have better camo tho .. . .

thick rover Jul 31, 2020, 3:53 AM

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For me I would like gun handling

minor minnow Jul 31, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Gun handling for T9 and 10 are best in class I believe

thick rover Jul 31, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Yea but not special enough...?to compensate

crisp elm Jul 31, 2020, 4:19 AM

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The pta just needs a gun depression buff.

jagged crescent Jul 31, 2020, 4:34 AM

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WG be like: ok, DPM buff again

thick rover Jul 31, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Players: Buff tank plz
WG: ok, how to buff without making it OP?
WG: Buff reload by 0.? Seconds

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Grille ez

plush perch Jul 31, 2020, 5:22 AM

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nvm

frail silo Jul 31, 2020, 5:29 AM

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@nimble zodiac i am asking for AP and HEAT shells nerf, it has same Pen as t9 conway on heat, just make it like su 152 . +1 he shell pen does not hurt, at this point it can butter tiger 2 front plate when calibrated shells are equipped , even without calibrates shells it has same pen as calibrated su 152
@plush perch so what is exactly your point
if it is gonna have the same pen as SU 152 on heat
which is 250mm
nothing is going to change
besides, it is absolutely okay to butter tiger 2's armor with prammo
especially one with 250mm of pen
su152 also has 250mm of pen on the heat
the smasher has the same pen of the su

fluid hedge Jul 31, 2020, 6:27 AM

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I feel like vickers cr got a ridiculous gun mantlet armor. Shouldnt have that armor since its a light tank. If im wrong or something please reply

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2020, 6:29 AM

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hi guys

jagged crescent Jul 31, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Vickers series really are just better than their medium counterparts in nearly everyday. Aside from HESH rnds

latent snow Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 AM

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um and the turret armor and upper front plates are better on the mediums

grizzled sleet Jul 31, 2020, 10:24 AM

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The turret armour? No, the hulls? They're a about the same except the 4202

verbal thistle Jul 31, 2020, 10:56 AM

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I don't understand how WG even calls Vickers light tanks

minor minnow Jul 31, 2020, 11:28 AM

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They’re classed as light tanks solely on their camo and view range. Other than that they are completely medium like

hardy hazel Jul 31, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Vickers series really are just better than their medium counterparts in nearly everyday. Aside from HESH rnds
@jagged crescent i agree, but there is no need to nerf all british lights, just buff mediums dpm, p/w ratio and some parts of the armor, maybe +5km to cent7/1 max speed.
Vickers CR is just a 7/1 with more speed, camo, viwe range and a strong gun mantlet

plush perch Jul 31, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Why they should not be nerfed ? They should be nerfed

quick sphinx Jul 31, 2020, 1:30 PM

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decrease su-100m1 module cost. The tank is underpowered, as well as their credit coefficient is bad and just make the tank more painful

hardy hazel Jul 31, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Why they should not be nerfed ? They should be nerfed
@plush perch i mean, only the gun mantlet and the dpm, nerfing them more is going to make another line that no one would play like meds

full token Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Buffing mediums because of these tanks isn’t necessary, unless it’s the mediums that were already struggling. These tanks just have too good dpm for a light, and too many bounces

turbid smelt Jul 31, 2020, 1:49 PM

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huh, on eu I see cent7/1 and 4202 from time to time

quick lichen Jul 31, 2020, 1:54 PM

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@robust hull comparing the 252u and IS-3 is crystal clear. 5.5% wr and 250 damage higher

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Now part of that is due to the fact that people stock grind the IS-3

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Add to that the number of battles, although i see no reason to even debate such thing. @quick lichen AKA being better in every single way = being unique. Still, pointless talk, try and switch places of the two tanks, make the is3 premium and the 252U a tech tree tank in its place, why would anyone ever buy the is3? Even if you could say that it will be bought for farming, the profit will be extremely worse, you can argue against a business plan

quick lichen Jul 31, 2020, 1:55 PM

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But you then compare the 252u to the 112-2, is-6, is-3d, 111, etc

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And it still win

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@unique scaffold “unique characteristics” are why premiums aren’t op in wg’s eyes

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In reality, yes. Every tank is different. But in practice, we all know what to expect

robust hull Jul 31, 2020, 1:58 PM

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@quick lichen and now imagine. I’m not from US, I’m Brazilian as every single member of my clan.

Those tanks are really expensive for our reality. That’s why I brought the discussion to tournaments, where it really makes difference

quick lichen Jul 31, 2020, 2:00 PM

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People have said “watch ads every day” and they are right to a degree

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My guess is most tanks are bought with credit cards and not 10 gold ads

hardy hazel Jul 31, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Buffing mediums because of these tanks isn’t necessary, unless it’s the mediums that were already struggling. These tanks just have too good dpm for a light, and too many bounces
@full token they arent struggling because not much ppl grind till tier ten to notice what the line lacks of, and if they do, they quit because now you have a good hull armor, but a massive pile of butter as turret

odd osprey Jul 31, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Can someone de buff the Alecto I mean the front armor is extremely hard to pen not to mention the DMP is extremely high even when I side scrape it pens when I side scrape with my A-20 against a tier 5 tank there is aleast a 50% pen rate it doesn't go through, plus the Alecto has a really good turn radius that there's basically no way to get around it other than to had to tanks and it's so cheap

quick lichen Jul 31, 2020, 2:05 PM

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You can pen it frontally with he...

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Don't nerf Smasher, some people payed for it bcuz it was OP, if it will be nerfed again Smasher will be just a tier 7 KV-2 -_-

jagged crescent Jul 31, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Revolting

remote oriole Jul 31, 2020, 2:17 PM

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You know, if people pay for something because it is op despite it being a collectable they should really inform themselves beforehand before making a purchase. Collectable tanks can be balanced freely.

And while I understand using the strongest machines to give yourself an advantage I don't understand supporting pay to win. And yes, the Smasher should be a tier seven KV-2. Of course it should be that. What else should it be, a tier seven Ru 251?

plush perch Jul 31, 2020, 2:58 PM

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At least nerf its hp and accuracy

jagged crescent Jul 31, 2020, 3:09 PM

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or nerf the HEAT shells

formal vale Jul 31, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I'd say nerf the armor so that it can be penned with 152mm HE, nerf the mobility so that it's only slightly better than the KV-2 yet worse than the SU-152, and nerf the reload.

The Smasher having great HEAT and good hit points is fine. I do also kinda agree that the accuracy should be nerfed a little as well since it's just simply better in practice than the SU-152

plush perch Jul 31, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Nerf hp and accuracy, then it is su 152 with armor and turret which is still better than su 152

verbal thistle Jul 31, 2020, 6:19 PM

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You know, if people pay for something because it is op despite it being a collectable they should really inform themselves beforehand before making a purchase. Collectable tanks can be balanced freely.

And while I understand using the strongest machines to give yourself an advantage I don't understand supporting pay to win. And yes, the Smasher should be a tier seven KV-2. Of course it should be that. What else should it be, a tier seven Ru 251?
@remote oriole Smasher is technically tier 8 KV-2 as a tier 7 tank

plush perch Jul 31, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Exactly

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Give it anti-preferential matchmaking, ez
Tier 7-8

austere citrus Jul 31, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I think WZ 110 should get an armor upgrade. The armor is super easy to pen even when directly facing an opponent because you legit not effective to side scrape, side armor sucks, turret isnt even that good, gun is decent but not amazing and speed/traverse is legit so bad, so at least buff the armor since the is2 grind was terrible because that gun is legit the worse gun in the game, worse than kv2, so at least buff the armor bro like its just so bad, also wz 113 buff the frontal plate to 130mm and um, make it easier to grind XP? Like when playing World of Warships Blitz, it's unbelievably easy to get XP, or that's just because I am way better at that game, idk bro

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 8:13 PM

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I mean the only tank to really be able to do what WZ can't is the Tiger II

Also the WZ-113 does not need a buff, as the frontal plate is really meant to auto-bounce shells

jagged crescent Jul 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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I enjoyed WZ line. The gun on the IS2 is usable if you have the provisions and everything researched.
The 110 was great. Hide the lfp behind any ridge and I was bouncing shots ez.
113’s a heavium. You hide the lfp, and you play the entire Chinese line to its strengths and learn to handle the weaknesses instead of wah wahing on discord.

Get gud 😎

winged barn Jul 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Yea, if you are complaining about the armor profile of the wz110, I doubt you have ever tried an is3

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 8:37 PM

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To be fair IS-3 has a great turret

I mean IS-3 has a relatively small weakspot, WZ-110 needs to have a nice dance goin to throw off accurate guns

winged barn Jul 31, 2020, 8:39 PM

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And so does the wz110

orchid grove Jul 31, 2020, 8:41 PM

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110's armor profile is actually pretty good. Turret is good enough for a tier 8 heavy, and it's a pretty rare tank, so a lot of people are unfamiliar with how to shoot it. Head on, the upper plates on the pike are ~300mm vs. APCR.

@winged barn IS-3 turret is in an entirely different category. If people aim, they'll get through the roof/cupola weakspot on the 110 turret (which has happened to me a fair amount), but on IS-3, they're literally never going through, and you have a lot more freedom to turn IS-3 turret to the left and right and still be pretty much impenetrable

nocturne mauve Jul 31, 2020, 8:44 PM

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The speciality of 110 is that gun

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Enter in Lowe, with a better gun mostly all around, same DPM too, with terrifying accuracy, but it sports around the same armor profile effectiveness with a bit of a lackluster speed

orchid grove Jul 31, 2020, 8:53 PM

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@winged barn @formal vale One of the things I love most about IS-3 is that the arc of turret invincibility is so much greater than pretty much all other tanks. Here's a smattering of some of the toughest turrets at the tier vs. IS-5 HEAT. Note that IS-3 is the only turret still invincible even when turned at a 20 degree angle

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formal vale Jul 31, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Yeah, the IS-3 is great. IDK why people hate on it so much. The only issue is that the 252U pretty much outclasses it in every way

karmic portal Jul 31, 2020, 8:57 PM

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People hate on it cause it doesn’t have much frontal hull armor. But it has other things that make up for it. And the is5 which has more hull armor trades a lot of things for it. And the hull armor on the is5 isn’t even that strong

lone warren Jul 31, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Pretty much.
The other day a fellow kept asking for a frontal hull armour buff to the IS-3. Had to keep explaining why it would be overkill if it received that.
As shown above, the turret is really strong, and the tank has a hull that isn’t that hard to hide anyway

autumn zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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That's why 112-2 is so nice, slightly nerfed turret but a much better hull

lone warren Jul 31, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I love the 20km/h reverse speed on it

nocturne mauve Jul 31, 2020, 9:53 PM

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I always thought 112 2 and IS-3’s turrets were identical, also 112 2 is a sidescraping god because the middle of the hull is angled

orchid grove Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 PM

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@nocturne mauve Not quite. Here's IS-3 (top) vs. 112-2 (bottom) vs. IS-5 HEAT + CS. 112-2 turret doesn't hold up as well as IS-3 against bigger guns, although against smaller guns, they're fairly similar.

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nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I'd argue IS-3 has the most frontally solid turret in tier 8, though T34 is a close second

nocturne mauve Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

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What about 252u’s

autumn zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 10:20 PM

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252u's is eh

orchid grove Jul 31, 2020, 10:20 PM

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@nimble zodiac IS-3 is the strongest turret in the tier, and it's not particularly close really. Also, T32 turret is definitely stronger than T34. T34 roof is easily penned by HEAT shells, cheeks are somewhat weak, and mantlet is pennable by big guns. T32 on the other hand only has the cupola, which is off-center (i.e harder to hit), and relatively small

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 10:57 PM

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252 is as weak as the IS-6 with the cupolas, ofc the cheeks are much better, but ISU-152 can pen the mantlet

orchid grove Jul 31, 2020, 11:07 PM

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252 turret isn't that bad. It's still a pretty solid turret, it's just not an IS-3 turret. I'd say overall 252U turret is actually one of the better IS tank turrets, unless you're fighting high pen APCR which will pen the mantlet

odd tendon Jul 31, 2020, 11:58 PM

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solid is the best it can described as? it's still 220+ effective looking at the side of a 252 turret. cupolas are short and hard to hit. is6 turret is much weaker than 252 because of the cheeks and roof that is half as thick as the 252's roof. you can frontally penetrate an is6 turret through the cheeks, roof and cupolas. 252 realistically can only have its cupolas be penned in a facehug

orchid grove Aug 1, 2020, 12:15 AM

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@odd tendon Well, compared to an IS-3, it’s only “solid”, but compared to other tier VIII turrets it is pretty good

austere citrus Aug 1, 2020, 12:48 AM

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is3 has better gun(imo), better turret and yes armor sucks but speed and traverse is way better so wz 110 should get buff

winged barn Aug 1, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Interesting conclusion. I disagree. We dont need tiger 2 2.0

austere citrus Aug 1, 2020, 1:51 AM

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yes we do, CHINESE TANK LIVES MATTER. If they aren't going to buff armor, at least buff speed/traverse/and add more DPM/PEN

viscid blade Aug 1, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Let’s give them op consumables so half the tanks in the game have em

orchid grove Aug 1, 2020, 2:21 AM

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113 with speed boost 😈

remote oriole Aug 1, 2020, 2:21 AM

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What do you mean, Chinese tank lives matter? Of course they don't. Half of them are just copies.

Jokes aside, the tanks are a mixed bag, but that is normal for most techtrees and I think it's good to not just have an op tech tree or branch. And what matters even more is that both the WZ-113 and the WZ-121 are liked by a lot of players. The tds are surprisingly good at tier six and seven, and while the tier ten is a bit ~~useless ~~ underwhelming at least the tier nine is fairly good

jagged crescent Aug 1, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I actually feel that the Tier 9 is underwhelming while the Tier 10 TD is good.
Issue is it's research cost is the same as the Obj 268 so why not go for the more iconic Obj 268 instead.

I'm just convinced that EGirl_Gen_2 simply doesn't know how to use the chinese heavys. The 110's got a punchy gun, a solid frontal armor profile, and I'm pretty sure the 110's still pretty quick. Just because some tanks are better in some other aspects doesn't justify a redudant buff.

~~113 with consumables would be epic tho~~

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

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I'm concerned that WZ-113 would boast too much to have the DPM it does

robust hull Aug 1, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Sturer Emil needs speed buff.

jagged crescent Aug 1, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Ik. It still be would be hilarious to see reactive armor on the 113 so that it just dives in and rips everything in 2.

odd tendon Aug 1, 2020, 5:44 AM

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vs ho ri 380mm pen ap. 252u is fair and balanced

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rancid wharf Aug 1, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Affirm.

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 5:50 AM

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@odd tendon dang man it's almost like it's at an auto-bounce angle

It would literally have the same affect if it was 60mm

austere citrus Aug 1, 2020, 5:56 AM

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yes 252U is fair and balanced

jagged crescent Aug 1, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I can guarantee that the IS7 has a better lfp tho 👀

odd tendon Aug 1, 2020, 6:02 AM

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@nimble zodiac does it matter if it's autobounce or not? 252 armor has more potential in tier 10 than an actual tier 10 heavy

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Welcome to using game mechanics

IS-7 has a 240mm effective lower plate against HEAT/HE/HESH shells at gun level

Obj. 252U has a 163mm effective lower plate against HEAT/HE/HESH shells at gun level

Please don't say it'll be legit a tier X because the DPM is so low, and so would the HP be, it would be extremely incompetent

round bluff Aug 1, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Can we make sure that the 252 doesnt have a stronger lower plate than is7?

austere citrus Aug 1, 2020, 6:07 AM

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ngl, add a slower reload rate and a little more pen, and 252U is legit a tier 10, also @round bluff the loewr plate on is7 isnt even that good, if u can hide the 252U lower plate which i use, its super good. 252U should get a second gun, 100mm-310dmg-9 sec reload -- penetration AP = 195, HEAT - 225, HE - 38

round bluff Aug 1, 2020, 6:14 AM

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so the tier 10 tank has a stronger lower plate than the tier 8.
What about their upper plates?

thorny whale Aug 1, 2020, 6:15 AM

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not to mention the front of the turret

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 6:17 AM

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It's not OP, literally shoot the LFP or the cupolas, and if you're a tank like ISU, drill the gun mantlet -_-

Trust me, the ISU-152 can penetrate the gun mantlet

austere citrus Aug 1, 2020, 6:18 AM

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ha, i bounced shells from t30/isu wih bl10 for days, if ur a good player with the 252U, legit its not easy to kill a 252U, also, use ur gun to block ur cupola and the cupola is small, super good tank, just get good, obj252u sux

odd tendon Aug 1, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Not op, hmmm ok? I guess some of us didn't watch the tier 8 summer season grand finals

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 6:20 AM

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ho ri with 380mm ap pen could not pen u legit say use isu

velvet edge Aug 1, 2020, 6:22 AM

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jUsT gEt GoOd ItS iMpOsSiBlE fOr A tAnK tO bE oVeRpOwErEd LoL

round bluff Aug 1, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Shoot the copulas shoot the copulas

full token Aug 1, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Just rush it and get behind it, it has weak armor. Ez now it’s not op

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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T54E2 is excused for being new and unadapted, yes?

@quick sphinx lol|

@austere citrus approximately 155mm effective against AP shells upon general constructional angle

quick sphinx Aug 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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pls buff su-100m1. Bad credit coeffecient, expensive module cost lead to and extremely painful grind that no one want. So people just go for derp 152 and make matchmaking unbalance. Just buff 100m1 and 101, nerf su-152 stock gun heat pen and some other gun in the isu-152, everything in tier 6-8 will be fine and no more change need

austere citrus Aug 1, 2020, 6:28 AM

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i mean u shouldve seen me with a u252, the rear armor is 90mm and slanted which is the same armor as some frontal heavies a tier lower so the actual effective armor is like 150-200mm, also buff wz 110 coefficient, hard to make credits

rancid wharf Aug 1, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Give Foch single shot gun 640 Alpha.
Okay, seeing that you consider The Badger and Foch 155 competition we must first analyze the prior changes the Foch has received, being amongst the best TD pre 560 damage nerf. It had a 640 alpha that could deal 1280+ within 7 seconds. Yes, it was poorly implemented, and it received its gun reduction which is understandable. However, now it is powercreeped by other TDs in its environment, among all the changes like T110E3's consumable addition allowing it to be quite more versatile, the Foch would've just been diminished among the various nerf. This update provided a better gun handling to the single shot which is 560, but unnecessarily since the auto loading gun is better in every aspect. Encouraging people to change between the single shot and the auto loading one, we must offer a higher alpha 640 to the single shot instead of 560, since it's not a broken tank anymore and barely even used now days.

thick rover Aug 1, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Um I'm not sure in the devs eyes is it a stock gun or an alt gun

primal glade Aug 1, 2020, 6:46 AM

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orchid grove Aug 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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@thick rover Well considering they buffed the stock gun's accuracy independently of the autoloader gun an update ago, I guess they see it as an alt gun and not a stock gun

thick rover Aug 1, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Uh but I guess they can buff a gun on its own even if it was stock, like idk, on other vehicles? Unless they never ever done it before then ok I guess

rancid wharf Aug 1, 2020, 7:08 AM

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I don't think buffing stock guns would be viable to buff when there are guns that are upgrades to it. @thick rover

thick rover Aug 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Ok, got your point, so they never really done it then...for example,if a stock grind is jsut so painful 😛

full token Aug 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Why have a stock gun for the tank if the autoloader is the intended choice? Iirc the M48 Patton and IS4 had stock guns too, and the top guns needed to be researched. The stock guns were quite bad on them, but it was clear the top guns were what was intended to be used. Then they removed the stock guns. Why give the Foch a weaker gun if they want everyone to use the better one, unless they want it to also be a suitable choice?

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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same goes for e100, they need to remove stock guns from tier x tanks

jagged crescent Aug 1, 2020, 7:45 AM

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I mean if there’s another gun, it means that they have to offer something special. The 12,8 cm doesn’t offer anything except slightly better gun handling while suffering from less penn, alpha, and dpm

If I recall, PC’s making it where the stock E100 gun has the DPM, while the 15cm has the alpha.

thick rover Aug 1, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Yea E100

fossil tide Aug 1, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Does is4 need a nerf?

turbid smelt Aug 1, 2020, 8:39 AM

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i think yes

it is better than super heavies, except for alpha

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 8:39 AM

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hp nerf

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 8:56 AM

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IS4 is perfect where it is right now. Any nerf to heavies would be detrimental to the game RN since camping is so common at high tier because of how prevalent high alpha TDs are.

orchid grove Aug 1, 2020, 8:58 AM

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IS-4 is definitely not perfect where it is. They really ought to restore the old armor profile, or significantly nerf the mobility or HP

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 9:00 AM

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it is overbuffed , brainsless tank

compact nymph Aug 1, 2020, 9:01 AM

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The skill floor is really low, you don’t need to be good to pull great games. A tier 10 tank should require more thinking than that.

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Nerf HEAT ;)

@craggy kayak you literally pointed out that only 152mm+s can pen that unless the IS-4 is using enhanced armor (which likely is true) then only tanks like Jageroo or 183 can overmatch, so that's not always a good case

craggy kayak Aug 1, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Shot here when you look an Is4 in sidescrap. (the yellow part to the track)

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plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 9:35 AM

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as if it is ez

fossil tide Aug 1, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Is Lorraine op?

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 9:53 AM

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no

orchid grove Aug 1, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Not OP, but it’s still pretty good

craggy kayak Aug 1, 2020, 10:19 AM

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But defender mk1 is op 🙂

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Is4 was really good before the armor buff, now it's just a stupid brainless tank
And heavies are everywhere now, much fun to play 🙂

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Bruh a while ago

round bluff Aug 1, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Armor change*
It had 220mm of side armor and less frontal armor. That made it unique

acoustic shard Aug 1, 2020, 1:12 PM

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More ammo For near all tanks in t7,8 and even some tier 10s. The American auto loader line needs it the most.

remote oriole Aug 1, 2020, 2:18 PM

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The IS-4 always had that weak part on the side. They actually buffed it, because before even tier one tanks could pen it

sweet prism Aug 1, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Time to stealth nerf 252u

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 2:35 PM

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WHEN will Wargaming finally BUFF LUCHS HIS TRAVERSE SPEED?

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Armor change*
It had 220mm of side armor and less frontal armor. That made it unique
@round bluff it really was a buff. They took some armor off the side which is basically irrelevant since it has so much of it still and they buffed the frontal armor which is massive

odd tendon Aug 1, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Very nice, sell a borderline op tier 9 prem for $15 while next tab over a type 59 is about $25

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plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 3:46 PM

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none of them are op

regal grove Aug 1, 2020, 3:47 PM

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K-91

autumn zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 3:51 PM

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K-91 is overcooked.

Good armor, suprisingly high maneuverability, great Penetration, high Alpha for it's autoloader.

It doesn't have much, if anything that holds it back

azure otter Aug 1, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Feel like the Kpf is kinda undercooked

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 4:14 PM

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wth how imao, armor and alpha is sluggish lol

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Its perfectly fine

jagged crescent Aug 1, 2020, 4:29 PM

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undercooked but fine

also where's my 120mm side armor for the WZ 111 1-4

distant river Aug 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Undercooked but very fun to play as well as being unique

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 4:40 PM

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it looks like modern tank tho

lunar plover Aug 1, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Give the fv215b heavy an hull armor buff

winged barn Aug 1, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@autumn zodiac you forgot to add the high dpm

sand sky Aug 1, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Imagine if Mäuschen had double barreled 12.8cm guns

odd tendon Aug 1, 2020, 6:55 PM

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@plush perch k91 is the only autoloader currently in the game that has strong armor. Being able to clip out 1k+ damage without taking any in return is pretty op. Give k91 a bit more dpm and it'll do fine in tier 10

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Ok ok

winged barn Aug 1, 2020, 6:59 PM

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So... you do realize the k91 has the highest dpm of tier 9 heavies right? AND it has an autoloader.

regal grove Aug 1, 2020, 7:40 PM

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and it kinda fast
and the armor kinda nutty
it just seems underwhelming cuz most of the people i play against aren't good players lol

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Same , i have no problem ( except getting clipped for more than thousand dmg)

distant river Aug 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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It can and will get penned in the cupola areas but like it's been said it's a well armoured heavium with a nice clip and dpm too. Idrk why it got it's alpha buffed and I'm sure the hp buff helped it too much as well but idk how big that buff was

fossil sluice Aug 1, 2020, 7:59 PM

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this is kinda a off topic kinda thing but i thought maby some of you guys might or might not agree with this but i was thinking most and almost every tank got a hit point buff and this is my issue some tanks like the lttb or the su 152 some of the low HP tanks that are less than 1060 hit points should get a HP buff like what im trying to say is that for me im grinding for the OBJ 140 and i took the light tank branch but the lttb has 1000 standerd HP and when i play agenst tier 8 they have about the same HP ass tier 9 which make it unfair for most players i feel like that some of the low HP tanks should get a HP buff to ballence the gameplay better

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 8:02 PM

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To be fair I was completely fine with the old HPs. Tier 10 heavy HP buff caused a chain reaction.

(Although I do understand why they did it)

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Lttb is a light tank that is why it has less hp , su152 is op for it’s tier. , if it gets hp buff everyone will start to complain. , also i think lttb and su 152 has same hp pool as other t7 lts and tds , just because u struggle with them does not mean they need a buff @fossil sluice

fossil sluice Aug 1, 2020, 8:11 PM

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@plush perch i can understand that i know its a light tank but what im trying to say is eather lessen the HP on some of the tanks or maby try to buff other tanks that would struggle like a tiger 2 i cant pen the sides or the front with the lttb and the tiger has 2x the HP and i do know why they added HP but just some of the tanks that are nessesarly fun to play like su 152 its not OP for its tier i play it all the time its just a ballenced tank and that the reason i like the gameplay style but when i go up agensed higher tier tanks that have 1700-1900 hp when i only have 1000 HP thats the part that bothers me

regal grove Aug 1, 2020, 8:15 PM

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well tiger II is overcooked so that's a bad example
the heavy meta is a little annoying but unless you want minor buffs to others (which WG currently are doing already) then I can't say that buffing lights and TD's are good for the game

plush perch Aug 1, 2020, 8:21 PM

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LTTB and SU 152 is fine as they are , su 152 is lil bit op with heat pen it has got , if u struggle with some tanks it does not mean it needs a buff @fossil sluice

mystic musk Aug 1, 2020, 8:21 PM

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@unique scaffold I agree with the first one but the rest would make it op

frosty oriole Aug 1, 2020, 8:23 PM

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ok your point?

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I’ve just realized that tier 9 bundle is out,which reminded me of something: Am I the only one that thinks kpfz70 needs a buff?

It has more alpha than other heavies but its armor,penetration and dpm is not good compared to other t9 heavies.

I think it should get a buff. I have a few ideas about it:

An armor buff(220mm to 250mm upper plate and 290-300 to 330-350mm turret) and penetration buff to HEAT(305 to 320-330). Armor weakspots remain the same(or maybe a slight buff to them idk)
Mobility buff. Give it a better engine with much better HP and slightly better top speed(40km/h to 50-55km/h) to make it a complete heavium.
Make the HE deal 960 average damage,nerf the HE penetration from 90mm to 75-80mm and change nothing else(I don’t think they’ll do this one but still a suggestion nonetheless)
Buff the HEAT penetration(305mm to 320-330mm) and add a second gun option,where HEAT is replaced by an ATGM (this will drastically change its play style but this one is the least possible buff listed because ATGMs are already a big issue. Blitz doesn’t really care about historical accuracy aswell)

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@meager spruce That was just an option. I prefer option 1.

I’ve forgot to mention it but I’ve listed them as most possible to least possible.

Also,it’s weak DPM can set it back. If it gets a mobility buff,going to the medium route alone will still get it killed.

And if a player using it goes to the medium route,there will be one less heavy supporting other heavies in the heavy route

frosty oriole Aug 1, 2020, 8:37 PM

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maybe no armor buff, but speed buff + ATGM since MBTs dont have much hull armor anyways

jagged crescent Aug 1, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Why not give it better gun depression

fossil sluice Aug 1, 2020, 8:45 PM

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@plush perch like i said this is just my opinion but yea

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i just think that the lttb should get a little more HP just to have a better chance in the battle sense the tank doesnt have a good penatration or gun depression thats why i said it should get a HP buff cause it already has to negitive things about it why not make one a positive....? and i was playing the su 152 and yes the heat pen is a little op but most people dont know the phisics with volocity and penatration units plus they dont know what a camo concelment is so most of players who play any tank destroyers and they see the lightbolb pop up there not gonna know what that is anyway off topic the su 152 dosent need a buff i used the su as a exaple but i did not explain that so that a my bad on my behaf but the su does have its good and bads same as the lttb although it is one of the best light tanks at its tier just going up agenst higher tiers with 2x the HP is not gonna make most people happy and they could eather try a diffent branch or they quit the game but for me i just think that with the HP buff it will re-balance most of the tanks gameplay

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 9:16 PM

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@jagged crescent I’ve thought about depression buff,alongside with the aforementioned turret armor buff but I scrapped it because I find it’s lower gun depression unique for a German tank. It’s also not too bad,it’s lower profile might even help it at times.

Also I find tanks like ST1 a better choice for going hulldown.

Your suggestion is a good one but I prefer other suggestions(like my first suggestion) I don’t know if you did it already but I’d make a suggestion about kpz70 getting a depression buff if I were you because that’s definitely a good one.

fossil sluice Aug 1, 2020, 9:18 PM

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@unique scaffold the kpz70 needs a DPM buff

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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@fossil sluice I don’t know. I personally find that the DPM should be the main drawback. It has a higher alpha y’know....

Feel free to suggest it though. Maybe others prefer DPM instead of other stats

frosty oriole Aug 1, 2020, 9:51 PM

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tbh i feel like giving it an ATGM gun would make it more unique considering its similar gun to the american lights

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 9:54 PM

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It’s not flexible enough nor fast enough to use it

fossil sluice Aug 1, 2020, 9:54 PM

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@frosty oriole the kpz70 would be to OP for the AGTM gun the armor on the kpz70 is good for a hull down techniec but.. its not fast nor flexable in battles

tulip umbra Aug 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Buff t54 at least give its second gun one its the same exact gun just a slim reload difference

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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If you grinded through T-44 and got the gun T-54 has you wouldn't need to deal with the other one ;)

tulip umbra Aug 1, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Nah t43 sucks lttb is more fun

crisp elm Aug 1, 2020, 10:51 PM

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dude. just becuz you cant play a tank well doesnt mean it needs a buff. its means you need a buff

winged barn Aug 1, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Facts

Exception being the t28

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 11:19 PM

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@frosty oriole Kpfpz gun is the main XM150 model, shooting also missiles (in fact I am hopeful WG will see the light regardless of detractors opinion), while Sheridan and T92E1 should not even have APCR, because their gun was a simple tube launcher not fitted to shoot conventional ammo, that's Kpfpz 70 prerogative. If a tank should have missiles, that's the Kpfpz. The lights APCR should be replaced with a less effective HEAT, exactly like T49

frosty oriole Aug 1, 2020, 11:19 PM

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that seems reasonable imo

drowsy plaza Aug 1, 2020, 11:44 PM

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@unique scaffold incorrect. The XM-150 cannon had an APCR and a slew of other munitions.

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Ok, but not on Sheridan, it was not even a XM-150 model, but a M81E1, not capable of launching other ammo type than HEAT rounds and missiles. Only Kpfpz 70 had the XM150 gun (model E5), and it could indeed fire various ammo types and also missiles. Moreover the T92E1 152 mm gun is purely out of imagination. So, if WG went out of its way to put a 152 mm gun on a 76 mm tank, surely can easily give to Kpfpz 70 missiles, because it had them

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 1:02 AM

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buff k-91 armor to 140mm in the front bec the front glacis sucks at tier 10 and buff sides to 120mm

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 1:17 AM

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and buff t55a armor too 120mm hull, 90mm sides, 60mm behind

remote oriole Aug 2, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Why won't we just buff the Smasher to 150 mm everywhere and buff it's fun gun to the stats of the Grille 15?

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Yea why not, also, make new tank, IS ACTION X - Basically an IS-4 with 150mm frontal armor instead of 160mm, 140mm sides, 100mm rear, 280mm turret, 200mm sides turret, 100mm rear turret with a gun similar to K-91, 400dmg, 15 second reload, 2.5 second reload in between 3 shells. Also, make a new tier 8 chinese heavy called, WZ - 150 and the legendary camo is a black camo that has chinese stuff on it and its name will be called WZ - 150 Dragon. The gun has a 120m, 400 dmg, but 10 second reload with 225-275-75 pen and similar to a obj252u instead of a pike nose, the frontal armor is 150mm but at an extreme flat slope so that the upper plate is super strong but the bottom blate is legit flat, and the sides are 120mm, and the rear is 100mm, BASICALLY, imagine a K - 91 that is chinese

azure otter Aug 2, 2020, 1:56 AM

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buff k-91 armor to 140mm in the front bec the front glacis sucks at tier 10 and buff sides to 120mm
@austere citrus

The tank is already strong........

It's a tier 9 for the love of God. Of course it's gonna be inferior to tier 10 tanks

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 1:56 AM

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upper plate sucks ngl, they can make lower plate 1mm, but that upper plate is legit paper

regal grove Aug 2, 2020, 1:58 AM

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you must be trolling

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 2:14 AM

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i aint, upper plate sucks, so easy to pen

azure otter Aug 2, 2020, 2:16 AM

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And it's strong for tier 8 tanks when upper tiered, like T-54 for example, very strong against tier 8 tanks and still endurable on tier 10 matches

twilit crystal Aug 2, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Lol

regal grove Aug 2, 2020, 2:18 AM

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well ur fault for revealing a "weak" upper plate

azure otter Aug 2, 2020, 2:27 AM

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What needs a buff Is you, Not the tank.

round bluff Aug 2, 2020, 3:23 AM

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K91 lower plate is FAT

nimble zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Yes and people still cry about 252U yes?

odd tendon Aug 2, 2020, 3:49 AM

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people still trying to defend the 252u for not being op?

pastel cairn Aug 2, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Smh

nimble zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 3:52 AM

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I don't find it a significant problem, LFP, cupolas, there you go

jagged crescent Aug 2, 2020, 3:53 AM

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EGirl’s literally finding everything that makes a tank balanced and listing that as a reason for why it needs a buff.

“OH HURRR K91 HAS THE FIREPOWER, WORKABLE TURRET, AND WORKABLE MOBILITY BUT THE UPPER PLATE WONT BOUNCE A TIER 9 TD BUFF IT PLEASEEE”

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Faster rockets = harder to curve?

round bluff Aug 2, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Wz120gft isn't broken either: lower plate, sides, problem solved

thick rover Aug 2, 2020, 5:18 AM

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And relatively low hp

nimble zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 6:40 AM

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ISU-152 can handle it easy ;)

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Guys let's buff the Action X 🙃 give it 440 AP pen but keep same reload

nimble zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Lol how about remove the 401mm turret underside

turbid smelt Aug 2, 2020, 11:18 AM

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@unique scaffold yes

tall inlet Aug 2, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Yea why not, also, make new tank, IS ACTION X - Basically an IS-4 with 150mm frontal armor instead of 160mm, 140mm sides, 100mm rear, 280mm turret, 200mm sides turret, 100mm rear turret with a gun similar to K-91, 400dmg, 15 second reload, 2.5 second reload in between 3 shells. Also, make a new tier 8 chinese heavy called, WZ - 150 and the legendary camo is a black camo that has chinese stuff on it and its name will be called WZ - 150 Dragon. The gun has a 120m, 400 dmg, but 10 second reload with 225-275-75 pen and similar to a obj252u instead of a pike nose, the frontal armor is 150mm but at an extreme flat slope so that the upper plate is super strong but the bottom blate is legit flat, and the sides are 120mm, and the rear is 100mm, BASICALLY, imagine a K - 91 that is chinese
@austere citrus i like your IS action x idea

polar stag Aug 2, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Lol lets make all tanks overpowered
The point of the T55a is to trade armor for firepower, let the t55a not be better than the t54.
And the k91 is already borderline op i see no reason to make it op.
U cant have ur cake and eat it.

jagged crescent Aug 2, 2020, 1:47 PM

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You play Russian meds for the sharp angle and turret armor

analog briar Aug 2, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Insane if smasher wasn’t OP wait I said that out loud

lone warren Aug 2, 2020, 6:23 PM

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No, it’s been neglected and needs a buff

polar stag Aug 2, 2020, 6:45 PM

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All it needs is a power to weight ratio buff

winged barn Aug 2, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Its gun is pathetic. It is lackluster in pen, alpha, accuracy, and dpm.
It has the role of a heavy. Compare it to tanks with similar roles and it lacks.

polar stag Aug 2, 2020, 7:14 PM

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It has 203 pen theres no problem with that, russian and chinese premiums has 175 to 180

drowsy plaza Aug 2, 2020, 7:25 PM

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It’s bloom is beyond awful for its character. Fix the Bloom and the Super P is useful

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 7:30 PM

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What have you done to the game? There is no team balance - 1 in 10 wins because the teams are so lopsided - 2 heavies and 3 mediums against 1 medium and 4 lights with 2 TDs each?

regal grove Aug 2, 2020, 7:34 PM

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or ur bad

fiery dagger Aug 2, 2020, 7:37 PM

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1 in 10? You must be a 10%-er then, am I right? And don't you same people shame anyone under 50%? :D

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Why are you doing this - to drive people away from the game, you may be doing just that - heard many disgruntled folks saying they are going to leave because the team makeup is like a cancer for this game - 7 to 0 5, 6, 7 times in a row doesn't keep players around! One Heavy, one medium, one light and three TDs against 1 H, 2M, 1 L and 2 TDs. That is just a set up for failure - don't talk to me about making it a challenge that just sucks any pleasure out of the game.

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 7:49 PM

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make tier 10 k-91

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I thought this was a place you could have a discussion and not be slammed by inconsiderate immature single phrase philistines. FYI, I'm not one of those who calls out Nubs. I am a 50% er in a normal week, not this one though. I just don't appreciate being provided with a game that seems to only reward those who buy their way in and can spend all sorts of coin on the latest and best PRAMO, etc. 1 in 10 may be a bit OTT, but 39% for 70 battles when the day before I was getting a 60% WR makes me wonder what is going on.

distant river Aug 2, 2020, 8:00 PM

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@willow ice That's called randomness. It averages itself out for you and for everyone else because it is random. If you want every single game to be full of exactly the same tanks then you want this game to be horrifically boring, and for queue times to be several minutes long. Every tank type has its strengths and weaknesses, use your brain and play around those otherwise you will constantly lose. Funnily enough I didn't see you coming in here complaining when your WR was 10% higher than what you say is usual, but when it's worse you are straight in here

regal grove Aug 2, 2020, 8:00 PM

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i havent spent a penny in 2-3 years and my stats have only been getting better
it's just you buddy

rose blaze Aug 2, 2020, 8:03 PM

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@willow ice the reason why your winrate was higher in the past was because you have been sticking to the lower tiers. the higher tiers are a lot more difficult compared to tiers 5-6 which appears to be where you spend most of your time in. this could be further explained by your rather lacking performance in tier 8,9, and 10. i just want to make myself clear that im not here to stat shame you but rather to offer an explanation to your question, your game count is low and your 30 days is better than your career which in my opinion shows that at least you are trying to improve. if you struggle with mm i would recommend staying at tier 6 for some time

jagged crescent Aug 2, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Oh no!
Where’s my 120mm of side armor for the WZ 111 1-4

twin zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Oh no! Who stole my M6a2e1's side armor???

lone warren Aug 2, 2020, 8:13 PM

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The M6A2E1 EXP stole 1mm of side armour from the M6A2E1

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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@distant river I would have asked the same questions when I quit the game 4 years ago, but I was not part of this discussion forum. I get the randomness - but sometimes it does not feel random. Yes my battle count is only around 4000 and yes I play the lower tiers - because there is a certain level of frustration with the team make up. Most of the losses I have had have been either dying out in the first two minutes - definitely my fault I am not trying to absolve my own faults. Quite a few, however are overwhelming losses that end up being 7 to 1, 7 to 0, 7 to 2 (kills) and those tend to be with me or me and one other being left behind in the fight - tier 1, 6, 8 - doesn't matter - that does not reflect anyones skill - it reflects the matching up of the teams.

distant river Aug 2, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Randomness never feels random. Fun fact, apple had to change the iPod shuffle to be less random because people thought that it wasn't random. Those games happen to everyone more often than close games because once one person dies it much easier to win a 6v7. What reflects skill is being able to work around your team even when they have less guns and to actively look for kills early in the game like every good player does.

rose blaze Aug 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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@willow ice there is another thing you can do actually if mm becomes too unbearable. try platooning with a clanmate or someone you work well with. even if you dont win at least you will have more fun

polar stag Aug 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Lol whats worse is when the matchmaker puts u with a team of bimbos. I do 3k damage and the 2nd highest in my team is 500. And on the enemy team everyone did about 1500 damage. I have had consequtive battles like this, like 5 matches where half the team yolos and the other half camp at a spot where they cant shoot, so the only one actually playing the game is me and the thing that makes it worse is that all the bad players are concentrated in one team. Because it also happens that i get into battles where 5 or 4 players in the enemy team do damage below 800 .

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 8:35 PM

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@distant river @rose blaze I understand your point and to a certain level I agree. However, that does not make it any less frustrating and that is just one level away from toxic. Which, TBH, some of the comments I have received and made in frustration can be. Concept of the game is great - execution may not always be. When there are tweaks - like a server going down at an unexpected time - which then causes the MM to do just that - set up up with a repeated set of unhelpful team mates. Yes, teaming up with a platoon mate always keeps me away from the ledge. I guess the main frustration comes when you are basically expecting a certain level of support from your team mates - the basic support not anything heroic or coordinated - and nothing. Then you try all the tricks you are trying to learn only to be 1 shotted by a KV 2 in your crusader, over and over again.

distant river Aug 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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If there's one thing you need to learn is that your teammates are almost never reliable. You cannot expect anything of them. It doesn't make it good, but it is never going to change considering this is a free mobile game. Plan your strategies around a team of idiots, and them be pleasantly surprised if one of them has some sense

rose blaze Aug 2, 2020, 8:45 PM

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gotta agree with honourless here. you really cant trust your teammates, which is where platooning comes in

viscid blade Aug 2, 2020, 8:48 PM

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the only gud thing that my teammates do is be my meatshield and most of them cant even do that

drowsy plaza Aug 2, 2020, 8:48 PM

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The game gets exponentially better when you realize the game is really 1 v 13

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 8:50 PM

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@distant river @rose blaze Agreed, and I have been watching some of the videos by Bushka and others to work out some strategies. The concepts are good and make a difference in my gameplay if I don't start falling back into old YOLO like habits or new tankitis. Regardless, you still want to blame the great nameless bleh because your ego doesn't like telling you that you may have some work to do. @polar stag however, does make a great point - the MM does aggregate bad players on teams - randomness at play - and sometimes you do not have any luck, whatsoever repeatedly which seems like today for me - 6 losses in a row of which 4 were 7 to 1 kills. understand all the comments and appreciate them. Mostly need to get rid of that horrible WR calculator - it really build frustration when you see that graph going down and feels like nothing you are doing works.

distant river Aug 2, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I tend to think of it as a 1v7 with 6 children chasing each other and running around your feet trying to trip you over. Once you realise it's you against everyone you can start to use the 6 people in your team to divert attention, take hits to allow you to expose, spot people and generally do all of the risky bits for you. And you shouldn't really worry about your WR much at all. At that few battles it can be changed very easily, and as long as you feel like you are improving then that's the most important part. The one thing I can say is wait until you feel comfortable playing each tier until you progress further, it takes time but you will really appreciate the skill you build up along the way. I don't think I got my first tier 10 until over 10k games.

In short, you have bad streaks and good streaks, human nature leads us to focus on the bad streaks but as long as you feel like you are doing enough then it's all good

rose blaze Aug 2, 2020, 9:01 PM

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@willow ice i am genuinely confused. im out here trying to give you tips yet you believe im trying to blame the great nameless bleh and talking about my ego?

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 9:03 PM

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@rose blaze you obviously misunderstood my comments. I meant myself when I said 'you'. Or more generally anyone in that position where it feels as if everything is against you in that moment. I actually appreciate your comments. They are, as I may have said once already, helpful to walk back from the ledge so to speak.

willow ice Aug 2, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Back from the ledge - there I go again mixing up the metaphor! @old plover I apologize for my confusing sentence structure, I did not mean to offend you over your kind comments.😔

rose blaze Aug 2, 2020, 9:23 PM

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i see it was a misunderstanding. i took it too seriously lol its good that we both understand its just a misunderstanding

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 9:45 PM

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BUFF K-91 armor to 140mm and kpfpz armor is 140mm, or give more speed to kpfpz70, no the armor sucks at tier 10 and the kpfpz70 is apparently a medium on the store so give it more speed? also more pen BECAUSE Its a cold war tank, imagine having a grille(ww2) that has more pen than a cold war tank

jagged crescent Aug 2, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I'm convinced that you're just trolling

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 10:01 PM

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also @wargaming, give t55a 8 deg of gun depression, this 5deg is so sad bro

winged barn Aug 2, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Lol

jagged crescent Aug 2, 2020, 10:18 PM

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EGirl bought the bundle hoping for some P2W premiums didnt she

polar stag Aug 2, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Lol all the tanks u mentioned a @austere citrus are perfect the way thy are. We cannot make every tank overpowered cause u own them. And anyway the k91 is borderline op, u cant have ur cake and eat it. @jagged crescent the k91 is kinda like(very little bit) a pay to win tank

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 10:21 PM

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yea i did buy 45$ bundle and obj252U, 4k dmg with k91 was hot ngl wz 110 should get a buff

nimble zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 10:27 PM

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and you believe it needs a buff then?

mental pasture Aug 2, 2020, 10:38 PM

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You could learn how to play them instead of beg for buff every tank that you play@austere citrus

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 10:41 PM

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nah i play them, i just awnt more op, buff smash

polar stag Aug 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Lol why dont u just say we should buff the smasher and give it atgms

dim dock Aug 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Hey we should buff löwe

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 10:53 PM

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yea we should, give it 180mm of frontal armor and 100mm sides, like legit, so easy to pen, the speed isnt even good like what he said

nimble zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 11:18 PM

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No, it’s a great tank, besides, the point of the Lowe is to farm credits

austere citrus Aug 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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well obj252u is better and its not good for its tier BUFF It wargaming

nocturne mauve Aug 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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No

frail silo Aug 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Ok, but not on Sheridan, it was not even a XM-150 model, but a M81E1, not capable of launching other ammo type than HEAT rounds and missiles. Only Kpfpz 70 had the XM150 gun (model E5), and it could indeed fire various ammo types and also missiles. Moreover the T92E1 152 mm gun is purely out of imagination. So, if WG went out of its way to put a 152 mm gun on a 76 mm tank, surely can easily give to Kpfpz 70 missiles, because it had them
@unique scaffold isn't the t92e1 in the game an israeli edit of t92 light tank?

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2020, 11:34 PM

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No? t92 was never used the E1 is entirely fake

frail silo Aug 2, 2020, 11:45 PM

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No? t92 was never used the E1 is entirely fake
@unique scaffold yes the t92 was never used however the chases were used
or a similar one i am not sure

never mind they just adopted the layout
the tank i am talking about is merkava

austere citrus Aug 3, 2020, 4:46 AM

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@wargaming, buff WZ 113(if u dare and tell me that its fine well sure its fine but its been power crept), buff alpha to 460/400/56
0, buff regular pen and HE, buff accel and thats about it, also make the turret armor to like 300mm, hull is fine, also give gun 8 deg of depression

nimble zodiac Aug 3, 2020, 4:57 AM

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def a troll now, sporting pretty nice armor and the highest DPM of tier X heavies, why buff it?

Suggesting upping it's DPM up to 3,765, shame

Ok, cool, just didn't want it to have the 2nd best DPM in tier 10 -_-

austere citrus Aug 3, 2020, 4:59 AM

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me troll? traverse sucks, no point in dpm if u aint getting ur shells off, second of all, current dpm is 3021 divide it by 420 and u get about 7.2 times that by 460 and u get 3.3k, smh so dumb

minor minnow Aug 3, 2020, 5:16 AM

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It’s got great DPM and decent armor to boot. It had to be balanced somehow and the traverse of the gun and turret is what WG chose. If you really can’t play it on your own I’d look for help somewhere

austere citrus Aug 3, 2020, 5:26 AM

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the thing is, its a decent tank, but with Hp buffs and stuff it aint that good anymore, i think an armor buff would be necesary ngl

tiny snow Aug 3, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Need to nerf obj 252. The recent tournaments show how out of balance that tank makes the game.

regal grove Aug 3, 2020, 6:02 AM

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i think u need to git gud and understand the game first if you truly want to "balance" the game. It's funny how you're targetting almost perfectly balanced tanks to "buff"

round bluff Aug 3, 2020, 6:13 AM

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copulas or something

nimble zodiac Aug 3, 2020, 6:15 AM

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lol nobody tries to shoot the cupolas, dunno why

languid pendant Aug 3, 2020, 6:46 AM

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it's hard to give them

full token Aug 3, 2020, 7:27 AM

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The one asking for buffs to strong tanks is a troll. They’ve been doing that for a while. I don’t think they can be that dumb. Should’ve been muted or banned a long time ago but they’re still here

mental pasture Aug 3, 2020, 7:30 AM

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^

halcyon saddle Aug 3, 2020, 9:23 AM

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It wud be nice if u could buff the is6’s turret cheeks just a lil bit

orchid grove Aug 3, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Nah, because I wouldn't be able to meme IS-6 for being bad then

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2020, 9:35 AM

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The word "balance" doesn't make sense.

compact nymph Aug 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Nah, because I wouldn't be able to meme IS-6 for being bad then
Same to be honest

whole silo Aug 3, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Pls could u fix the match making. like a your winrate = the enemy will u seen on battle.
some players has been break the stat because the newbie didnt know the game.

lone warren Aug 3, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Read the pinned messages

final warren Aug 3, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Just looked at the tank stats.... vickers a bit strong? Haven’t played the game for a few months so idk if it is just because it is new or not

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Wargaming, please buff the vk 45.01 A. Its unplayable right now...
I think a frontal armour buff would be perfect (without decreasing mobility)

mental pasture Aug 3, 2020, 3:36 PM

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@whole silo Matchmaker is fine since it's tottaly alleatory for everyone, for the 60% player and for the 40% player

There is no boycott for you, yes the "bad matchmaker" exist but you aren't on it, only people with really low wr are on them

golden owl Aug 3, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Nerf smasher accuracy and heat pen

vestal barn Aug 3, 2020, 4:04 PM

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@unique scaffold do you use it to counter mediums it’s pretty good at it but yeah a buff but not to armor I think

formal vale Aug 3, 2020, 6:18 PM

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@whole silo Well for one, what you're proposing has been debunked countless times across this server. It won't fix anything and it will only make queue times longer for better players. If you want skill-based matchmaking, the best thing Blitz has for that is Rating battles.

gray oyster Aug 3, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Wargaming please buff the m48 patton. The tank feels power crept. I dont't think there is anything special about the tank anymore. The turret feels like the only strong point on this tank, and the hatch looks bigger than all the other med's hatches. The DPM of the tank is below avg, as the 62a and the obj 140 im pretty sure has better dpm than the patton. Additionally the camo rating of this tank is pretty low compared to all the other meds such as the t62a, obj 140, and STB. The stats of the tank are reflected in the winrate and the players playing the tank. So please consider buffing the tank

drowsy idol Aug 3, 2020, 8:44 PM

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M48 has 350 alpha meaning it can get positive trades with the Soviet meds

Forget stb that’s power creeped

odd tendon Aug 3, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Stb is not powercreep. It's one of the few viable meds as of now. The best mediums perform the same as the average heavy.

karmic steeple Aug 3, 2020, 9:07 PM

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M48 has 350 alpha...and so do a lot of others. Plus there is the wz121 with 400 alpha so it doesn’t have anything special there either. M48 is mediocre all around and it makes it kinda bad.

gray oyster Aug 3, 2020, 9:45 PM

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the accuracy and the speed just destroys the tank imo

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the tank is just meh, theres other tanks that u can play that are just outright better than the patton, which is why the patton has half the players of the other tanks

jagged crescent Aug 3, 2020, 10:34 PM

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121 has 420 alpha actually LOL

viscid blade Aug 3, 2020, 11:01 PM

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m48 is just a nice ace farming machine since its a decent tank, but no one plays it cuz stb/62 just does a better job

fiery dagger Aug 3, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Exactly. It is decent but not special. A bit of gun handling buff would do the trick.

gray oyster Aug 3, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Yep it just needs a little buff to make it somewhat worth grinding towards.

minor moon Aug 3, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I like the m48 patton. Maybe just needs a speed buff but it’s fine the way it is. I definitely carry a lot in it. Haven’t played the STB in a while but it’s one on my least played t10 meds I think. You know who needs a buff the fv med idk if it’s just me but getting a win in it is rough always have to try. Turret is awful gun is nice it’s really slow also it’s alpha dosent feel intimidating enough for people to avoid it. Maybe a armour buff would benifit it

gray oyster Aug 3, 2020, 11:36 PM

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It has hesh which most other tanks really dont. The m48 has nothing special imo

viscid blade Aug 3, 2020, 11:55 PM

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if ur not shooting at least 35% hesh ur doing something wrong, 4k dpm op 😩

quaint wedge Aug 4, 2020, 12:00 AM

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round bluff Aug 4, 2020, 12:37 AM

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indeed

nocturne mauve Aug 4, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Yay

austere citrus Aug 4, 2020, 1:30 AM

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buff patton turret to like 350mm, and buff pen

formal vale Aug 4, 2020, 1:49 AM

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no

minor minnow Aug 4, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Patton doesn’t need 350mm of armor with how the angles are on it. A mild buff to the turret armor itself and some gun handling buffs would be sufficient enough to at least bring it back from the dead

karmic steeple Aug 4, 2020, 1:59 AM

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You’re asking for the two things that are already good on that tank

ivory flint Aug 4, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Light tank crewskills are generally underwhelming change my mind.
(Yes I do indeed have some facts and logic to reinforce my opinion, and thus am prepared to discuss this in detail if anyone is interested.)

mental pasture Aug 4, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Oh my god haven't anyone that noticed Egirl is trolling?

austere citrus Aug 4, 2020, 2:11 AM

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buff the turret on the patton and buff the pen, then it will be a good tank that ppl will grind for

jagged crescent Aug 4, 2020, 2:20 AM

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"ammo racks are fake news"
@ivory flint that max-roll crewskill is nice tho

ivory flint Aug 4, 2020, 2:22 AM

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The two new ones are genuinely useful, but the other three... not so much IMO. Not to mention that until fairly recently LTs only had those three wimpy skills. All in all I think HTs have the most useful skills both in quantity and quality. It's hard to make an argument for "Robustness", "Firefighting", "Adrenaline Rush", and "Repairs" not coming in handy. Meds and TDs each have at least three clutch ones each as well, but the likes of "Hasty Shot", "Breakthrough", and "Soft recoil" are... niche at best and nearly useless at worst.

orchid grove Aug 4, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Hasty shot is kinda nice

viscid blade Aug 4, 2020, 2:45 AM

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i dont even pay attention to crew skills if things are bad i just blame rng 🤣

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2020, 3:07 AM

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I think is 5 maybe needs a buff

austere citrus Aug 4, 2020, 3:14 AM

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armor buff ngl buff it to like 140mm

winged barn Aug 4, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Ah yes, poke the balanced tanks

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2020, 3:22 AM

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@winged barn is 5 is so easy to pen. Look at the balance charts. One of the worst heavies and I think it is worse than is 6

umbral ocean Aug 4, 2020, 3:27 AM

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is 5 is really easy to pen

winged barn Aug 4, 2020, 3:30 AM

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It is also the easiest t8 premium tank to access. It is much more useful than the is6 against actually armored targets.

formal vale Aug 4, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Balance

@winged barn ah yes because you can't pen anything with 140 pen. Like you can only pen literally every tank outside of the VK100, that's so little smh

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twin zodiac Aug 4, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Oh jeez

winged barn Aug 4, 2020, 3:41 AM

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completely ignores penetration

formal vale Aug 4, 2020, 3:53 AM

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you also totally dont have 250 HEAT pen

frail silo Aug 4, 2020, 4:11 AM

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is 5 is really easy to pen
@umbral ocean armor is still workable tho
just go with meds and lights
and don't tell me it is not mobile enough to do so
because it really is mobile enough

minor minnow Aug 4, 2020, 4:13 AM

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It’s faster than the IS-3, one of the most mobile heavies at it’s tier

austere citrus Aug 4, 2020, 4:16 AM

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buff kpfpz70 dpm, 12 sec reload

formal vale Aug 4, 2020, 4:18 AM

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No, just nerf the Smasher. Literally the only thing the Kpf needs is better HE damage (780)

nimble zodiac Aug 4, 2020, 4:49 AM

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@austere citrus can you stop trolling ._.

Like giving a tier 9 heavy 2.8k DPM is a good idea combined with high alpha, you're literally asking for the best DPM for a tier 9 heavy

austere citrus Aug 4, 2020, 4:49 AM

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shut up kid, i aint trolling

weary scaffold Aug 4, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Get rid of mines at tiers 6-10. It’s just disgusting. Dead rail too. People have whinged about these maps for years. Where’s all the money from crates going? Not into the map development department obviously

turbid smelt Aug 4, 2020, 4:50 AM

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no one whines about dead rail

winged barn Aug 4, 2020, 5:10 AM

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@formal vale much better comparison here •_•
Lolz

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austere citrus Aug 4, 2020, 5:10 AM

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yall complaining about smasher, im sealclubbing with AMX 40

formal vale Aug 4, 2020, 5:11 AM

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@winged barn I mean yeah, the fact that a tier 7 heavy can stand toe to toe with a tier 9 heavy kinda says it all lmao

jagged crescent Aug 4, 2020, 5:29 AM

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~~coughs in Black Prince~~

vale sun Aug 4, 2020, 6:00 AM

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compare the HE :v

austere citrus Aug 4, 2020, 6:10 AM

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i mean theres a pretty easy to solution, instead of nerfing smasher, make it tier 8 instead of tier 7, like it legit works, idk why u would disagree.

frail silo Aug 4, 2020, 6:12 AM

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people already offered that as a solution

nimble zodiac Aug 4, 2020, 6:18 AM

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That's it, I'm gonna make a Smasher vs Tier 8 room

Soon™

coarse harness Aug 4, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Cuz putting it one tier above is not a nerf🤭

jagged crescent Aug 4, 2020, 2:37 PM

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yes it is. It means that it gets to get whopped by an e75

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Why don’t you guys just stop trying to get smasher nerfed? It has been going on for so long. Don’t you know yet wg is using the mistake to get a lot of money from it in crates? Y’all don’t need to keep emphasizing for a nerf because it is never gonna happen

distant river Aug 4, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Not true, spare parts are gone and WG is considering missiles more closely as two examples of sustained pressure

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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@distant river yeah but they don’t help wg make money. Ya know how much money they make selling smasher and t22 crates? They aren’t just gonna nerf their product so less people buy it.

nocturne mauve Aug 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Only tier X should be in crates

distant river Aug 4, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I much prefer lower tiers being in crates instead of tier 10 because otherwise it becomes extraordinarily difficult for tournament teams to have a fair playing field. It would be ideal if there were no prems allowed in tourneys but that's just too big an income loss for WG apparently so they should be accessible for every team equally

vale sun Aug 4, 2020, 6:25 PM

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there are 3000 smasher players in the last 30 days, it's not very rare

merry sentinel Aug 4, 2020, 7:15 PM

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yeah idk if i´m a fan of the smasher boom

slim jewel Aug 4, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Tier 7+8 mediums need a penetration buff in general. They can't even penetrate the frontal hull armour of a T29, which is a tier 7 heavy, reliably with AP. That is not to say you need to spam heat on de-angled IS pike noses.

nimble zodiac Aug 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Yes, they can penetrate the T29, and suddenly the tier 8 heavies have armor? Who knew?

@unique scaffold but the lower plate is super weak xD

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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T29, it has a good front armor. since you are a medium you can just flank him.
or Just dont mess him

slim jewel Aug 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Supposedly T29 should be a good hull down tank and it is actually pretty ridiculous not to have it somewhat reliably penned with AP on the hull by a pitiful tier 8 medium. After all, T29 is the tank that teaches you to hull down right? Compare to tier 10, where you can penetrate some spots somewhat reliably in a medium when facing the frontal armour of heavies, though flanking from behind is advised, tier 8 mediums are struggling with penetration.

Agree with dfltz, at the very least give us some strips or squares of pennable areas (e.g. lower plate) to work with.

round bluff Aug 4, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Tier 7s like the comet and t20 struggle immensely with pen. Flanking isn't an end-all solution either, considering how nimble the some of the tier 7 heavies are. With the heavy HP buffs, mediums aren't expected to win head on confrontations with heavies, but they should still be able to pen heavies from the front.

blissful vigil Aug 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Plus they aren't lights, and doesn't have the best speed of all tanks.

nimble zodiac Aug 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Funny, tanks with 120mm of pen or more can penetrate the T29 on the LFP.

This is the Comet's view, same with T20 generally

LOL Panther I can pen T29's upper front plate and some of it's side given the same angle, chill

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plush perch Aug 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Even panther 1 with 197 mm pen cant pen t29..... it is good to have op t7 tech tree tanks , indirect nerf to smasher

acoustic shard Aug 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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The smasher Has 250 HEAT pen with out calibrated so that hull is near meaningless.

distant river Aug 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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It is never good to have an op tank. Having more creates a bigger problem, unless every single tank is op. We are nowhere near that stage so having any op tank is bad

round bluff Aug 4, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Thats supposed to be easy to counter? A tier 7 medium has to deal with that armor profile, and has to chip away at 1500 hp to actually pull it off.

formal vapor Aug 4, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Would it be possible to give the T-54 a buff to it’s gun depression? Maybe a degree or so

acoustic shard Aug 4, 2020, 8:46 PM

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The T10e3 Is the worst thing to face frontally It needs a weaker under plate or a weaker cupola and it has consumable's to now. The tanks under the e3 might have needed them the t28 and the t95 but the E3 was to good before the consumable's. They need to Buff the WZ-113g ft's armor on the Front side plate's along with the front plate so you can angle along with a shell velocity increase to 900 so it can compete with the the other tX tds

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round bluff Aug 4, 2020, 8:46 PM

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T23e3 is so painfully slow lol

regal grove Aug 4, 2020, 8:47 PM

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T23E3 is a tier 7 medium lmfao

plush perch Aug 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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T23e3 is a worst medium ign? Wth...

distant river Aug 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I think he means T110E3

Unless someone else is suffering my struggle of not being able to pen the T23E3s cupola or lower plate ofc 😢

nimble zodiac Aug 4, 2020, 8:49 PM

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T23E3 is DPM, also not the worst medium, VK 30.02 D exists

acoustic shard Aug 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I meant t110e3 lol

regal grove Aug 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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If anything they should’ve gave the 113GFT get the consumables (specifically speed boost) instead of E3
It was just E3’s line that was struggling and it didn’t make sense to remove them at tier 10 if

sweet prism Aug 4, 2020, 9:22 PM

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e3 top speed 35 is too op, it should be 30 or below
t28 and t28 proto top speed to 25?
I don't know how t95 performs well at tier 9 with 16 km/h
speed boost increases top speed by 8 and reverse by 10....so one can run away from a maus backwards in a e3 with speed boost🤔

round bluff Aug 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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E3 top speed is fine, but the consumables make it go 45km which is just dumb

odd tendon Aug 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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For the t29 to have the hull armor it has with a turret that can be in contention for best turret tier for tier in the entire game is pretty ridiculous. T29 can already sidescrape and hull down very effectively but now it doesn't even need cover because the hull can bounce anything below 122mm

remote oriole Aug 4, 2020, 9:28 PM

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The consumables of balance

slim jewel Aug 4, 2020, 9:41 PM

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And nobody is going to mention T110E4 🤔

gleaming apexBOT Aug 4, 2020, 9:54 PM

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dynoSuccess dab life#1818 has been warned.

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dynoSuccess dfltz#0285 has been warned.

vale sun Aug 4, 2020, 10:36 PM

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leave my E3 alone :( you should get a good tank in exchange for suffering through the T28

full token Aug 4, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Buff t28 then 😦

distant river Aug 4, 2020, 10:41 PM

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E3 already was a good tank if not a great tank, then it got consumables for no reason 🤷‍♀️

coarse harness Aug 4, 2020, 11:26 PM

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With that logic WG should give the Grille line spall liner but then the WT would be broken

I would say give T28 ether useful armor or a top speed buff to 25
Also buff the DPM on the SU-100M1 and SU-101 to make them similar to the SU-122-54

drowsy idol Aug 5, 2020, 12:13 AM

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The t28 sucks I have an impressive 42% with it

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2020, 12:27 AM

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congrats to wargaming for ruining tier 7 every game there is 2 smashers on each team wtg wargaming

sinful orbit Aug 5, 2020, 12:42 AM

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buff the ki ni otsu

minor minnow Aug 5, 2020, 12:45 AM

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congrats to wargaming for ruining tier 7 every game there is 2 smashers on each team wtg wargaming
@unique scaffold not they’re fault people are throwing their money at crates

cloud skiff Aug 5, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Only tier X should be in crates
@nocturne mauve no only tier 8 and down should b in crates, people should need to earn them not buy them

keen oar Aug 5, 2020, 3:04 AM

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^the amount of times a game is ruined by a new player who just bought a tier 10.... nothing against new players, but they should at least get more experience before playing high tiers

nocturne mauve Aug 5, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Why should a tier 8 be in a crate then? @cloud skiff

near warren Aug 5, 2020, 7:58 AM

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wg really needsto buff the stock gun. maybe reduce the reload a bit?

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thick rover Aug 5, 2020, 8:06 AM

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But if it's stock gun, why buff? Unless it is alt gun

rancid wharf Aug 5, 2020, 8:11 AM

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We have discussed this before, it's an alt gun. They have the buff it and give it 640 alpha.

thin notch Aug 5, 2020, 4:07 PM

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can someon tell me why the gun of WZ-120 has only 3° gun depression....it´s absolutely annoying and even slightest wave is causing problems because of it.

nimble zodiac Aug 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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the upper part of the movable gun mantlet collides with the mounted gun mantlet

lol maybe but mainly because of how far it could face downwards over the rear, which is not far at all, no scratchy-watchy their hull

thin notch Aug 5, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Also matchmaking and teams are cruel these days...2 times today where I were the only player with above 50% WR in my team and the other team got 5 ones with WR 54-58% ... no need to tell how this ended. This are no single cases...this happens on regular basis now

nimble zodiac Aug 5, 2020, 4:29 PM

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It already did happen on a regular basis, it's random. And this is not the place for it ._.

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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@thin notch this channel isn't about matchmaking

humble aurora Aug 5, 2020, 7:06 PM

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But what about updates to matchmaking?

nimble zodiac Aug 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Not needed ;)

humble aurora Aug 5, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Ohhh right

dusky cargo Aug 5, 2020, 8:06 PM

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why doesnt smasher get nerfed? will it ever be nerfed? smasher is a su-152 with more armour and a turret and is more accurate

nimble zodiac Aug 5, 2020, 8:07 PM

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No because SU-152 exists

rancid wharf Aug 5, 2020, 8:23 PM

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@dusky cargo just git gud

fiery dagger Aug 5, 2020, 8:32 PM

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She's right tho'.

nimble zodiac Aug 5, 2020, 8:33 PM

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BuT It has a hIgher REload by 1.87 sEcOnDS witH rammEr On BotH

full token Aug 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Aim for the cupolas you can easily pen it

frail silo Aug 5, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Aim for the cupolas you can easily pen it
@full token ok and?
it is still broken

twin orchid Aug 5, 2020, 11:11 PM

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we all know that wg is making good money out of the smasher crates, so it would be stupid for them to nerf it lol

mental pasture Aug 5, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Cassinos would make a lot of money if underage people could bet too, but it's forbidden

And also loot boxes are bet systems and even for underage people

If you don't agree with bet systems for underage people then you should be against loot boxes for 18- games

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2020, 12:36 AM

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It’s not even a bet sometimes, in casinos there’s a chance to influence the results

turbid smelt Aug 6, 2020, 2:26 AM

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@mental pasture in casino you can loose everything, unlike in blitz you always get something out of crates (may or may not be worth the money)

kids don't have money to gamble, it is up to their parents to influence them, which is not wg's job to do.

I am against crates due to how low chance to win is, that is why I haven't bought a single one

Not too hard to decide whether to buy or not, when it clearly says in the description of deal, "chance to win this digital tank is super stupid low".

Which again, isn't wg's job to teach you whether you should take part in this type of awful deal or not.

mental pasture Aug 6, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Yes @turbid smelt, kids have no money to gamble and need parent's money but with parent's money or no, bets still bets

And also yes, it's not WG's fault if someone bought a crate even knowing that they are extremely low, but do you really think a 13 years old kid will care about it?

turbid smelt Aug 6, 2020, 2:37 AM

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@mental pasture if they don't then they would learn to care about it, sooner or later.

orchid grove Aug 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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@mental pasture I’m against loot boxes too, but it’s not really like a casino. It’s more like a kid going to the store and buying a pack of Pokémon or Magic The Gathering cards (completely legal no matter where you live).

Most of the time, all you get are crappy common cards, but sometimes you might get one of the rare cards in the set that you actually wanted

merry drift Aug 6, 2020, 4:45 AM

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ie a gamble

crystal spoke Aug 6, 2020, 4:57 AM

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At least they tell you that you have a 96% chance of not getting now

dusk sail Aug 6, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Could I have a key becuz I’ve had this for a long time

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austere citrus Aug 6, 2020, 7:12 AM

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buff vk 168 hull to 230mm, add spaced armor, and decrease dispersion to ferdinand levels. Also make the cupola 250mm+ and the hatch 300mm+ @frail silo can u legit shut up, its legit a premium tank and its like one of the worst and its also one of the biggest and heaviest tanks in the game but it plays like a trash heavium. can u legit shut up for like one minute, so disrespectful

frail silo Aug 6, 2020, 7:19 AM

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buff vk 168 hull to 230mm, add spaced armor, and decrease dispersion to ferdinand levels. Also make the cupola 250mm+ and the hatch 300mm+
@austere citrus stop trolling please

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Yeah most of the suggestions are just straight up absurd so far, yes VK 168 is struggling but there’s not much that it could use to keep its role, also that’s the strongest cupola suggestion I’ve ever heard, especially for a tier 8

full token Aug 6, 2020, 8:39 AM

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It’s a troll. Should be muted

low bluff Aug 6, 2020, 1:08 PM

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Drac feels like on the move dispersion been nerfed by a tiny bit, not noticable for most players. But I know how it felt to drive the drac from when I got it during the Christmas Fair event. You can be driving and going 70 and aim/shoot/hit 90% shots in 3rd person view. But now it feels not as accurate as before, you have to acctually zoom in and aim to increase chances of hitting. WG didnt announce this hidden small nerf that wasnt very noticable for the whole majority

quartz steeple Aug 6, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Stealth nerfs

full token Aug 6, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Blitzhangar will pick up any nerf or buff that WG doesn’t reveal. Also, the drac when added in itself wasn’t so good at on the move shots, and it was mentioned in videos at that time

robust hull Aug 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Sturer Emil needs a speed buff.

T28 needs an armor buff. This one is just pathetic.

drowsy idol Aug 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Japan tds HE buff when

coarse harness Aug 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Maybe after a gold AP nerf

plush perch Aug 6, 2020, 5:37 PM

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it is pretty ez to pen actually

golden owl Aug 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Doesn’t the t10 Japanese TD have the best standard pen?

turbid smelt Aug 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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it does

dense walrus Aug 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Tied with 183

dusty delta Aug 6, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Buff T28 armour, Nerf Smasher Armour.

lone warren Aug 6, 2020, 7:10 PM

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If Smasher was ever nerfed, I’d rather it be something to do with the gun over its armour

golden owl Aug 6, 2020, 7:19 PM

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^ It’s more accurate then the su152

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2020, 7:22 PM

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All I’d care is a reload nerf

winged barn Aug 6, 2020, 7:29 PM

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And heat pen

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Just "buff" it up to tier VIII. Problem solved.

pastel cairn Aug 6, 2020, 7:43 PM

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^^^

mental pasture Aug 6, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Oh yes, you got a real point, spartacus

golden owl Aug 6, 2020, 10:26 PM

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quasi cloud Aug 7, 2020, 9:13 AM

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im butthurt to say that grille need camo buff

turbid smelt Aug 7, 2020, 9:20 AM

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just having a turrent would help lot more than having giant gun arc

lone warren Aug 7, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Not sure what else you expected during this event

lone warren Aug 7, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Because spamming the message and @ wargaming employees multiple times will really help you

sterile tide Aug 7, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Muted

iron lynx Aug 7, 2020, 11:18 AM

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I'd appreciate a buff on the Chi-Ri's pen.

quasi cloud Aug 7, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Well most tier 7 tanks got dpm in trade of 0 pen so if you wanted Chi-Ri pen then some dpm have to be removed

Which is fair trade i guess
btw buff grille camo i somehow got spotted 200m by a t110e3 with camo net activated

Just that im butthurt by the fact that waffle gets better camo and somehow as sneaky as rhm borsig

lone warren Aug 7, 2020, 12:13 PM

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Well I mean Chi-Ri is already getting a mobility and gun handling buff so we’ll see from there.
But the Chi-Ri is actually not even that bad right now

iron lynx Aug 7, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Hmm maybe I'm not playing it well, but I just feel like it has pretty bad pen for a tank which is too slow to flank and too fat to hide.
Maybe the mobility buff would help it tho.

weary moss Aug 7, 2020, 1:37 PM

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i think t28 and t28 defender need armor buff because with gold they are deads

lone warren Aug 7, 2020, 2:19 PM

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T28 defender doesn’t need a buff

@iron lynx yeah it should, I can’t remember the exact stats but it’s something like a top speed buff from 40 to 50 km/h

iron lynx Aug 7, 2020, 2:22 PM

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42 to 48 km/h from Blitzhangar, pretty nice speed buff

nocturne mauve Aug 7, 2020, 2:22 PM

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It’s shameful, I never realised it got a buff in mobility but I think it needs better armour, I think the gun is also a bit trash

crystal shuttle Aug 7, 2020, 2:33 PM

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If they nerf smasher to t8 they need to buff his penetration.. he can't pen any t8 heavies in front and others..

full token Aug 7, 2020, 2:33 PM

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How much of an armour buff? They’d have to do a big buff before that armor becomes any good. It’s paper right now

lone warren Aug 7, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Well, the Japanese mediums are all about having that paper hull.
I’m fine with the mobility and gun handling buffs really.
I was expecting a similar minor mobility buff for the STA-1 to be honest

turbid smelt Aug 7, 2020, 2:48 PM

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T28 proto is so stupid bad

sterile tide Aug 7, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Sry i thought i forgot i think it was t28 defender 😅😂

distant river Aug 7, 2020, 3:07 PM

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That isn't the proto...

fossil tide Aug 7, 2020, 3:41 PM

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T28 prot is goof

latent snow Aug 7, 2020, 3:50 PM

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The tank is very... limited.

quasi cloud Aug 7, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Buff turret armor or something every time i see one of those in brits t8-t9 tank i just laugh and shoot at its cheeks while he crying in the corner and its too slow to run away

drowsy idol Aug 7, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Along with paper sides

thick condor Aug 7, 2020, 5:01 PM

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@quasi cloud grille camo was only buffed when firing. You really won't notice much difference if any. You get spotted when firing regardless

viscid blade Aug 7, 2020, 5:47 PM

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sMaShEr iS bAlAnCeD

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errant wadi Aug 7, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Very balanced

versed venture Aug 7, 2020, 6:00 PM

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WG : "this is fine."

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Hi, I'm currently having a little problem, I'm looking for the base url of the api of the World Of Tanks game on the internet but without success, I hope someone will help me, thank you.

austere citrus Aug 7, 2020, 6:43 PM

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smasher is gonna get nerfed if u saw droodles video(they are gonna sell the crap out of it and then nerf it)

visual lance Aug 7, 2020, 6:46 PM

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collector + tech tree = nerf or buff, premium tank = buff and balance but no nerf, they can put them into collector status and nerf then, nothing is impossible

vale sun Aug 7, 2020, 7:15 PM

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t28 defender's interclip is a bit too long but the tank is fine

winged barn Aug 7, 2020, 7:20 PM

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The lack of accuracy on the t28d is what kills it for me

austere citrus Aug 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Make Smasher Tier X, buff armor too 240mm/180mm/100mm//give it bad pen worse than maus, reduce speed and traverse and it should be a fine tank

golden owl Aug 7, 2020, 7:47 PM

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This has got to be a troll

latent snow Aug 7, 2020, 7:51 PM

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You must be new here

austere citrus Aug 7, 2020, 8:10 PM

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nah im just balancing

minor minnow Aug 7, 2020, 8:16 PM

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This has got to be a troll
@golden owl that’s all this person does my guy, best you just ignore them. It’s difficult, I know.

coarse harness Aug 7, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Just pretend you don't see that messenge

fickle tinsel Aug 7, 2020, 8:53 PM

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wg still seriously needs to nerf the smasher though. The money they make from people spending hella to buy it isnt worth the negative impact it has on the game. i would honestly love to see a developer try to explain why/how the smasher is balanced

minor minnow Aug 7, 2020, 9:03 PM

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It’s not. That’s the whole selling point. I believe it’s the smasher and the T-22 that make WG the most money (correct me if I’m wrong, it’s just personal opinion) so they’re not gonna balance their cash cow until it can’t be milked anymore

fickle tinsel Aug 7, 2020, 9:18 PM

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yea, i agree it makes them a lot of money. but at the same time, its probably doing more harm than good, with all the new players that reach t7 and quit because of the ridiculous OP tank spam (or even old players that quit just because t6-8 isnt as fun anymore)

hushed token Aug 7, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Bru. Legit all WG can think of is money. I mean they ONLY made 50mill on the Skorpion G. And they are trying to Scam us with Crates without charms and low drop chances. And are ruining the game by allowing noobs to get tier 7-10 Tanks. Especially the Smasher. And I’ve seen ppl being muted for having a Bad opinion about WG. And this is just my opinion.

nimble zodiac Aug 7, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Oh no it's not like they put the drop chances in the description or anything

analog coral Aug 7, 2020, 10:41 PM

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You think wg cares about this game more than pc wot?

nocturne mauve Aug 7, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Actually no, crates aren’t a scam because you agree to what you buy

Crates just aren’t worth it

fiery vessel Aug 7, 2020, 10:55 PM

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In my opinion you should change T-34-85 RUDY nationality to Polish or at least give us the same option as in WoT PC that we can change nationality when we want

hushed token Aug 7, 2020, 11:00 PM

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@nocturne mauve But it’s unfair for the collectors and YouTube’s that want to make a review on them.

full token Aug 7, 2020, 11:09 PM

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If someone buys crates, they should know the chances and accept the possibility to lose. I still don’t like crates, even if all those chances are clearly given, but I wouldn’t call it wrong when I get nothing valuable from a crate. For those making reviews, yea it could suck, but some like MartinDogger decided to avoid doing reviews of crate tanks, even if he is given these tanks for free by WG on the press account he has

@nocturne mauve I think he may have meant that YTers may suffer because they can spend some money and still not get the tank, and so can’t make videos on that tank

nocturne mauve Aug 7, 2020, 11:14 PM

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@hushed token youtubers arent entitled to free stuff, and if you don’t get the tank you should’ve known the risks beforehand

karmic steeple Aug 7, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Buff the smasher

hardy birch Aug 7, 2020, 11:17 PM

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@analog coral You realize its 2 different dev studios right? Also Blitz makes almost as much money as the PC game.

distant river Aug 7, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Also if you are a collector you are literally buying tanks half of which you will never use so it's a waste of money whether you get it or not imo 🤷‍♀️

hushed token Aug 7, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Imagine being so dumb that you try to ping everyone in the server. Lol what a Dumbass.

nocturne mauve Aug 7, 2020, 11:29 PM

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You’re even worser by being toxic

full token Aug 7, 2020, 11:36 PM

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It doesn’t even notify anyone. Nothing to get so bothered about.

distant river Aug 7, 2020, 11:36 PM

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@nocturne mauve nAb WoRsEr IsNt A wOrD

hushed token Aug 7, 2020, 11:39 PM

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@nocturne mauve Bro. Nice Grammar. And bro, being toxic is good. And@full token I know but it’s funny that they tried.

nocturne mauve Aug 7, 2020, 11:40 PM

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You mean, nice spelling?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/508390990399143945/741441465414189066/image0.png @hushed token how about your grammar instead?

sterile tide Aug 7, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Hmmm.... what’s going on here ?

distant river Aug 7, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Tbh I find it funnier someone thinks being toxic is good than someone trying to ping 80k people lol

nocturne mauve Aug 7, 2020, 11:51 PM

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This guy obviously thinks he’s a philosopher of English, that’s what’s happening

jagged crescent Aug 7, 2020, 11:51 PM

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WG YOU SMELLY POOPOO WHEre’s my 120mm of side armor for the WZ 111 1-4🥰🥰🥰

vale sun Aug 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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I don't understand tank collectors 🤨 Tanks cost so much and don't offer much in return, and when this game inevitably dies in 5-10 years all that money will be wasted

crystal spoke Aug 8, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Is it really a waste if you are aware of that and pay for the enjoyment they bring?

winged barn Aug 8, 2020, 2:41 AM

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If you pay for it and never use it, it is a waste

nimble zodiac Aug 8, 2020, 3:26 AM

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“Collector”

formal vapor Aug 8, 2020, 5:27 AM

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At least they’re not spending money on Fortnite

coral current Aug 8, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Are there only English people? I'm French

unique scaffold Aug 8, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Me too@coral current

gleaming apexBOT Aug 8, 2020, 11:47 AM

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dynoSuccess 99.99% Hand Sanitizer#2689 was muted

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dynoSuccess ChocolateChip cookies#7205 has been warned.

sterile tide Aug 8, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Haha xd muted

wheat spear Aug 8, 2020, 1:33 PM

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I don't understand tank collectors 🤨 Tanks cost so much and don't offer much in return, and when this game inevitably dies in 5-10 years all that money will be wasted
@vale sun that's why u make a youtube channel, make some money over those 5-10 years, maybe even make a profit, to start the next game

dim field Aug 8, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I don't understand tank collectors 🤨 Tanks cost so much and don't offer much in return, and when this game inevitably dies in 5-10 years all that money will be wasted
@vale sun

It's not actually a waste if you felt you got your moneys worth and understood before hand that it isn't a permanent purchase.

Think of it like with any other purchase like food, a movie, a bicycle, a car, a phone, or anything else really. Cars break down, you will probably out grow your childhood bicycle, and that snack you got a couple weeks ago is probably digested already.

You buy those things to fill a need of some sort. Buying tanks in this game usually is a purchase for entertainment. Even when wg closes its doors so to speak, it doesn't automatically mean that the money was wasted. We know the tanks might not be around for ever, but it brings us amusement until that time comes. Just like when you rent a movie or buy a video game. One day it may be gone, but you already knew that from the beginning.

nocturne mauve Aug 8, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Nerf black prince please

jagged crescent Aug 8, 2020, 6:09 PM

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I just peakaboom whenever I see a BP

robust hull Aug 8, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Buff tankenstein please, it needs better mobility and reload

plush perch Aug 8, 2020, 6:15 PM

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🦧

fossil tide Aug 8, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Are autooaders/auto reloaders balanced

vale sun Aug 8, 2020, 6:53 PM

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@dim field That's why I understand people who buy some premiums, that they will play often.
But to buy something like the T-2020 for $70, and never play it, just to have it in their garage? Seems like a waste to me
This isn't comparable to purchases such as phones and bicycles. It's more like collecting canned food that will expire in ten years. you'll never eat it and will have to throw it out eventually, and each can costs $60.

regal grove Aug 8, 2020, 7:41 PM

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well it's their money
not that imo it's a good decision but whatever floats their boat

clear cloud Aug 8, 2020, 8:15 PM

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It's still kind of sad that they are more interested in the profit of the game instead of it's quality for the players, but who am I to say anything to be honest.

regal grove Aug 8, 2020, 8:16 PM

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name one gigantic game that doesn't make a profit

clear cloud Aug 8, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I know there are loads of big games that make a huge profit, however 99% of those games don't sacrifice it for a loss of players and possibly game quality. This will still never change how much I love the game but it just makes me sad because it is such a good game. One of the big issues I find is the smasher because it is an OP tank. Another thing I don't like is that you have to buy crates to get only a 4% chance of getting it. This is a game mechanic which I strongly disagree on because It encourages people to keep on buying the crates when they only get boosters and other junk.

minor minnow Aug 8, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@clear cloud yet you haven’t named one company. The Entire WarGaming group, Gaijin, the developers of Clash of Clans and Clas Royale (correct me if I’m wrong on that point) EA literally resells FIFA, if I remember correctly. Just a few to get you started 😉

clear cloud Aug 8, 2020, 8:40 PM

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I hope you are being sarcastic, 😂 that may be the most self-explanatory thing ever. lmao

coarse harness Aug 8, 2020, 9:15 PM

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CoC is pay to progress
There are many games making huge profit with just selling cosmetics like skins

minor minnow Aug 8, 2020, 9:41 PM

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cough Fortnite

nocturne mauve Aug 8, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Fortnite ain’t even pay to win, but it’s a trash game so dont mention it ever again

karmic steeple Aug 8, 2020, 9:57 PM

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I mean I wouldnt play it but it is a good example of a game making a ton of money off of purely cosmetic items. While in blitz, wg is purposely not nerfing certain vehicles Bc they know they can make money off of them. As far as crates go, an argument can be made that they are good to limit the amount of op vehicles in the matchmaker. But if we didn’t have blatantly broken vehicles in the first place we wouldn’t need the crates to balance how many are in the matchmaker. I think it’s kinda sad that wg feels as though they need to resort to broken tanks to make money when its proven on the game market that people will pay a lot of money for cosmetic items. The way they make money now just ruins aspects of the game. Especially stuff like being able to buy a premium vehicle of any tier with no prerequisites. You could make it like in CoC where it’s pay to progress and you can only get certain things by getting to a certain level (tier/th). You can still pay to get there but it reduces the influx of new players to higher tiers of the game. But of course that would reduce wg profits some but it would vastly increase player enjoyment of the game.

viscid blade Aug 8, 2020, 10:23 PM

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I wouldn’t be surprised if wg sells smasher for like $25 next week and then nerfs it

steep mirage Aug 8, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Wargaming won't nerf the smasher, however in 5-6 patches it'll probably be at a level that most of tier 7 goes even with it

mossy wraith Aug 8, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I don't understand tank collectors 🤨 Tanks cost so much and don't offer much in return, and when this game inevitably dies in 5-10 years all that money will be wasted
@vale sun do you understand t-22 or smasher?

nimble zodiac Aug 8, 2020, 10:53 PM

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@vale sun aw man think about all the money you’ve spent on luxuries and it’ll all go to waste once you die 👀

Take the joy out of what you pay and it will be worth it

Edit: Misping, sorry man 😅

vale sun Aug 8, 2020, 11:06 PM

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@mossy wraith That's not what I meant by tank collectors. I meant people that go out of their way to acquire every tank, no matter the cost. Even niche things like the vk 168 or T-2020.
@nimble zodiac By that logic, anything can be worth it. Besides, you don't technically own anything in your blitz account. Your account, and everyone elses, is Wargaming's property.
Anyway, I didn't want to cause such a spectacular crapstorm. I just said I didn't understand it.
At the end of the day, it's your money. If you want to spend exorbitant amounts of money on virtual pixel tanks, I can't stop you.

distant river Aug 8, 2020, 11:09 PM

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One of the main issues is that if there are enough people willing to buy crates the WG will keep selling them. You may be rich and can easily afford to waste money on crates but the more you spend the less chance there will be of it coming for gold or money which ruins it fit everyone who can't afford or don't want to buy crates.

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 12:05 AM

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Lol I own the VK 168.01 (P) and the T-2020
I kinda like defending tanks that don’t get much love, VK 168 is essentially a VK 100 you pay for and T-2020 isn’t really a russian heavy, and it’s a relatively sluggish medium at that, but the gun, it’s great, the accuracy makes up for it, it’s not bad, it’s just taken as it was thought to be, when it’s actually something else, I mean you in theory point out the flaws of being a collector in real life, no?

orchid grove Aug 9, 2020, 1:23 AM

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VK 168 I've only played 10 times, but I kinda like it actually (a lot more than VK 100 TBH). If it went 25 like the Maus, it would be an acceptable tank

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 1:47 AM

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fortnite is pay to win, i paid like 1.5k for 240frames

vale sun Aug 9, 2020, 1:55 AM

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My issue with the vk 168 is that they turned the mauschen turret 180 degrees and called it a new tank

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 1:57 AM

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One could argue the VK 168 actually performed better, besides, you don't have to buy it, free VK 100 for credit grinding eh?

pale copper Aug 9, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Nerf vickers

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 2:13 AM

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i would buy vk 168 but it has worse armor than the tech tree tanks as well as being one of the heaviest vehicles in the game as well as costly a decent amount compard to other tanks. if they could make the frontal armor like 230mm, buff the turret and side armor so u dont get tracked damaged, i would buy it easy and buff the cupola

unique scaffold Aug 9, 2020, 2:17 AM

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So if the big bang happened 13B years ago, and matter cannot be created or destroyed, and our bodies are made of matter, then that means that we are 13B years old. So in conclusion, Yes your Honor, She was old enough.

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 2:19 AM

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@unique scaffold nice repost, delete it.

VK 168 doesn't have a really big cupola like VK 100, and it's also on the other side of the turret so it can perform differently depending on which way it could sidescrape

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 2:24 AM

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but lets be serious. the tank is way worse than all the german super heavies

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 2:56 AM

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buff leo 1, yes its a okay tank but i think its underperforming, yes it does have best dpm for medium but other tanks have barely less dpm but with way more armor such as a t62/140/e50m while leo gets HEed from every side with its not even good camo rating. Even though DPM is good, effective DPM is way lower because . you arent able to get big shots out with ur alpha especially bec ur turret sucks. I say buff dpm to 4k which will make the tank a decent shot, some may say its OP, I disagree, that will be around a 5.2ish reload which i would say frm the 5.9ish is fair and balanced

mossy wraith Aug 9, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Wargaming won't nerf the smasher, however in 5-6 patches it'll probably be at a level that most of tier 7 goes even with it
@steep mirage maybe a 10-20 patches. There is long way ahead

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 3:21 AM

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@austere citrus Small sample size? I'll allow that as an argument but it's not necessarily worse than VK 100

I have played both tanks, but my stats will not hold up as it's been nerfed since I've passed VK 100, I don't feel it's worth the time playing battles in either since I have better things to do, so I cannot give you results based on their current performance

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austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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stats dont prove everything, couldve just been good players that have played for ages that bought the tank and tried it out such as collectors/veterans/youtubers. I think it's self explanatory. Play the tank yourself, which you think which one is better. Stats dont prove everything.

nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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It’s only got those stats because of the stupid heavy buffs,I can’t stress enough about them. Plus black prince is really broken,it has 3k DPM, special consumables and had the heavy entitlement hp buff, weren’t heavies good enough with their armour already? And some spots can only be penned with premium ammo therefore reducing DPM

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 3:31 AM

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@austere citrus My stats prove nothing, clearly, it's outdated and invalid in sample size. My VK 100 battles were played before the nerf, and I clearly did not play the VK 168 enough, it's more of a collector's tank to me, but it's a tier 8 prem to grind credits with at least

But still, seeing how similar they perform it's not very bad compared to VK 100, may the higher winrate compensate for the low player count, they are set up very similarly, front-mid turret, super strong, and both can sidescrape reliably if performed correctly. VK is better at sidescraping off it's right side, and VK 168 is better off sidescraping with it's left side. May the map presume the outcome in general

Tiger (P) performs only better for average spot rate according to blitzstars, with a higher player count though for 90 day, BP beats it with a 2.25% higher WR, 75 more avg dmg, slightly better damage ratio, .1 more average kills per battle, and a 20% better K/D ratio, with a 2.2% higher survival rate

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austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 3:32 AM

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nah blackprince aint good, tiger p beats it hard, 3k dpm but 160 each, pen is absolute trash, traverse isnt good, armor isnt even that good and hp is okay. tiger p anyday over blackprince

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Go ahead, argue the BP's pen is bad, even though its APCR still has more DPM than Tiger P

BP beats 252U via DPM

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 3:45 AM

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252U claps blackprince

nova cargo Aug 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Balance IS7. It's gun aim time, dispersion is so ass and the rotation speed of the turret is literally 7 years.

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 4:08 AM

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It’s balanced, the dispersion is what you’d expect from a sizable gun on a heavy tank, same with the Aim Time, and the turret is fine as is. It’s generally more mobile than the IS-4 in every aspect so if you have a problem with the IS-7’s turret traverse I cannot wait to hear what you have to say about the IS-4

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Concerning the statements below me the BP is the only tank I generally fear in the smasher is the BP, so that says a lot

nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 4:08 AM

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“252U claps blackprince” comparing tier 7 to tier 8

And if you play tier 6/7 you’ll realise how much of a struggle it is to properly batter a black prince with its 3k DPM and somewhat troll armour, it’s really the antidote for smasher

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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BP actually stands a concerning chance against 252U

@minor minnow the only heavy tier 10 tank with a slower turret traverse is the Maus so eh

frail silo Aug 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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252U claps blackprince
@austere citrus if it can even penetrate the tank with the horrid accuracy
besides the armor isn't trash you can side scrap in the tank effectively
it has special consumables which solves the mobility problem
the alpha being 160 means nothing it is still 3k dpm which will melt down anything head on
tiger P has a weak lower plate besides you can just load prammo and still melt Tiger P down as chickenman said

nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 4:19 AM

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The tank that makes smashers cower is the black prince, play it, find an enemy smasher and you’ll see how easy it is to kill a smasher, it only takes 30 seconds, plus you have reactive armour and sandbags if you want to preserve your stupid HP amount

Plus side, they cannot pen frontally with AP so they have to spam HEAT against you, lowering their damage

BP being a tier 7 has an extremely strong chance against 252u(a tier 8 heavy tank), which is really concerning because it’s only a tier 7, imagine against tier 6 tanks? I find the BP a much harder tank to fight than the smasher.

The problem I have is that black prince’s gun is an endless autoloader and it has way too much armour along with the special consumables and provisions

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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If a BP and a 252 were to 1v1, the BP carrying consumables and sandbags, I would bet my account on the BP

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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u wanna 1v1 later? @minor minnow will u bet ur account on it? but yes ill 1v1 u after ill send my ign after this

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Wouldn’t mind a 1v1 sometime, what’s ur ign @austere citrus?

⬇️ you got it chief

⏬ I’m a He @jagged crescent

nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Ooooh!! send me this replay after please

Big stakes right here

jagged crescent Aug 9, 2020, 4:40 AM

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She’s seriously pulling the “BET UR ACC” card huh. . .

Good for you, I wasn’t talking to you

frail silo Aug 9, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Wouldn’t mind a 1v1 sometime, what’s ur ign @austere citrus?

⬇️ you got it chief

⏬ I’m a He @jagged crescent
@minor minnow ya sure you wanna do this without her putting something in return? lol

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 4:44 AM

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wait, to be sure, im using 252U against ur BP @karmic portal no hes just saying with right person BP can beat 252U

karmic portal Aug 9, 2020, 4:46 AM

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I mean I can pen a bp pretty easily frontally in my 252u. Idk about a 1v1 but I mean skill would obviously play a bigger role. And the tanks aren’t really comparable at all so this argument doesn’t make sense. And a 1v1 is a stupid comparison cause in battle the fighting style will be different than in a 1v1.

This is like saying a t92 is better than a maus cause it can beat it in a 1v1
@austere citrus well that’s the most obvious thing in the world. That’s not really a point for debate. I’ve heard that a guy in a scorpion g beat some one in an is7. And I’ve seen some bot players that I could beat them in a tier 6-7 and them in a tier 9

Also I personally prefer t29 over bp. The bp is too slow for my taste

nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 4:52 AM

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So how sure are you on winning this? @austere citrus

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 4:54 AM

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@nocturne mauve im a 252U player

frail silo Aug 9, 2020, 4:58 AM

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you sure don't look at status or anything

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Stakes have been set, it’s been made clear that the winner will get bragging rights and bragging rights alone. Nobody is willing to give up accounts, and the replay will be sent directly to those who request it

karmic portal Aug 9, 2020, 5:02 AM

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I’m very curious about this. Also you can apcr pen bp turret but if you in a face hug. But if you in a face hug your chances are probably grim cause bp can farm your cupolas. I want the replay!

He can still pen, you have 2 cupolas fyi and 1 gun

austere citrus Aug 9, 2020, 5:12 AM

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just point up ur gun, face hug is like so strong on 252U

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 5:20 AM

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It is and that’s the concerning thing, yes lifting the gun up will work but the attempts are fruitless unless I’m tall enough to hit them

karmic portal Aug 9, 2020, 5:21 AM

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I think you can apcr pen the turret cheek of the 252u. But if it keeps moving the turret it’s hard

karmic portal Aug 9, 2020, 5:40 AM

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So what happened?

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Cupolas, gg

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Nothing yet, waiting for a time. Preferably after some rest, so we’ll see how it goes tomorrow

jagged crescent Aug 9, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Facehug? Just shoot at the cupolas lmao

nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Something random but why does K-91 have such troll tracks

coarse harness Aug 9, 2020, 12:00 PM

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Because of the angled hull above

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nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Man I hate it

grave elm Aug 9, 2020, 12:42 PM

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armor buff for the tier 8 american TDs when

nocturne mauve Aug 9, 2020, 12:51 PM

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No

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 1:52 PM

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At least make it so they can’t be heshed by T49’s through th me shide

drowsy idol Aug 9, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Ok could we buff the t95 lower plate as it already has a super weak cupola and combined with the slowest mobility

latent snow Aug 9, 2020, 3:05 PM

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can the rng please be tuned down : (

minor minnow Aug 9, 2020, 3:05 PM

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The lower plate is small though, if you’re playing it at range (which I’d think you would considering how slow it is) then weakspots wouldn’t be a huge concern

lilac venture Aug 9, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Nerf Vickers CR and Vickers 105 armor, it's ridiculous having a huge impenetrable gun mantlet and strong upper plate in a light tank.
It already got amazing mobility, accuracy, alpha damage, DPM, and it has HESH shell already, just nerf the armor, it's so ridiculous, imagine bouncing 300 AP pen on a light tank's upper plate while slightly angled, and bounce even a 318 ap pen on a light tank's gun mantlet...

autumn zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Vickers 105 is fine, Vickers CR is the issue. Vickers 105 doesn't have outstanding DPM and has low end penetration for it's tier.

Vickers CR however has above average everything

unique scaffold Aug 9, 2020, 4:20 PM

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@lilac venture if u aim u can actually pen the 105. Also the accuracy is horrible. You can’t hit snapshots frequently. Vickers CR is the t10 but a tier lower which makes it broken

humble aurora Aug 9, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Vickers cr also has a smaller turret. CR is kinda broken. The 105 is perfectly fine as is

distant river Aug 9, 2020, 4:32 PM

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(Responding to a different person, but it still explains why the Vickers light and CR need a nerf)

The thing is the pennable area is relatives thin (round/square areas are much easier to pen because of rng) and at the sides of the tank. However the 30bs cupola is extremely high so is always the first part to expose when hulldown. Both of their mantlets are impenetrable and the Vickers cheeks are taller than the pennable area of the 30bs turret (the upper half). The weakspots on the Vickers turret are further towards the sides so wiggling is a lot more effective and it's much harder to lead when it's moving. This is also when the 30b uses max gun depression, otherwise the lower half of the cheeks is pennable too. The 30b is an effective hulldown tank and the Vickers has roughly the same strength turret, marginally stronger against prammo and high pen guns and when peeking over the top of a ridge. This means in battle it feels like it is 90% mantlet and it performs like that.

Comparing the rest of the stats gives you the Vickers with the better gun, 200 more dpm and better aim time with worse bloom and slightly worse base dispersion (but both are still very accurate), but also the HESH with 40 more alpha giving it 600 better HE dpm with double the pen. The Vickers has around 7hp/t less effective power to weight but they are both very fast. And then we get to the part where the Vickers has 50% better camo when still and double the camo when firing and moving, as well the largest view range in the game.

In short, the Vickers is a med but with light camo values, or a light with meds armour or gun, and it needs to choose one instead of taking the best from both worlds because it's too overcooked atm. The CR takes this even further

@autumn zodiac @humble aurora

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autumn zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 4:33 PM

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So what you are saying is you want a premium people can buy to be better than a tech tree tank?

unique scaffold Aug 9, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Sadly the games reached that point and people now beg for a premium to be buffed from above tech tree tanks

regal grove Aug 9, 2020, 4:43 PM

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im not even gonna read that post
105 is fine as it is bc it cannot aim well on the move nor are the pen values strong
CR i agree does need a nerf, but 105 can stay as is

distant river Aug 9, 2020, 4:44 PM

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When did I say anything remotely like that? It's completely and utterly better than a balanced tank, whether it's a prem or not. Start by nerfing its dpm to the level of the 30b if not lower and it still has armour, camo and HESH but is more balanced. The 30b is the best tank to compare it to because the Vickers is an amazing med with light tank camo and viewrange added on to that @autumn zodiac
I don't think anyone would say the 30b needs a nerf and I am clearly not asking for a buff

unique scaffold Aug 9, 2020, 5:12 PM

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30b is the wrong comparison. 30b has been getting power creeped for ages. It isn’t great of a tank. Just deal with the 105 is legit fine as is.

remote oriole Aug 9, 2020, 5:13 PM

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The 105 is too much of a medium and a light in one. It should be either or

jagged crescent Aug 9, 2020, 5:16 PM

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105's fine. CR's a little TOO fine

full token Aug 9, 2020, 5:17 PM

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We could be getting 7.1 stats soon

humble aurora Aug 9, 2020, 5:27 PM

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@distant river Yeah uh no. We don’t need more op premiums in the game. Vickers light is fine as is. I can see the CR getting a slight nerf but that’s it. Idk why you keep comparing a medium and a light?

Edit: I see you’re saying no buff to 30b but I still don’t see why you’re comparing a medium and a light. Both have very different roles in battle

distant river Aug 9, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@humble aurora In short, the Vickers can do everything the 30b can do but better, as well as doing much much more thanks to its camo and viewrange. The Vickers is a better medium than the 30b while still being a great light. As Lux said it is the best of both classes.

@unique scaffold The 30b is a great tank idk what you are talking about, nice high skill ceiling and it isn't awful for average players too.

@jagged crescent Care to explain how you can think that after what I've said above?

plush perch Aug 9, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Vickers Light made Batchat garbage ,bouncing on a light tanks mantlet with more than 300 pen is ridicoulus

karmic steeple Aug 9, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Idk I think the vickers is just strong not broken. I think if anything the 30b could use a little reworking to make it more relevant. The cr is broken Bc it has the same alpha and penetration as the tier 10 with only a slightly worse reload and a smaller turret. And it faces tier 8s where it can routinely 3 shot tanks

humble aurora Aug 9, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Perhaps there’s just a grey area with meds and lights because most people don’t understand how to actually play a light tank role, so they play like a medium. And sadly it works because the maps are so small and the matches are so fast in Blitz. In regular wot the difference between the two is more noticeable. So yes, light tanks end up playing more like meds just due to the meta of Blitz

distant river Aug 9, 2020, 6:00 PM

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The vickers can play like a med better than a med, as well as having light tank camo and viewrange. You can initially spot better than almost every other tank and then you can play better than a lot of meds after that, if you aren't then playing like a light.

You can either nerf the mantlet to be pennable so it can't play like a med and is a specialised scout which it would do very well (leo-esque with HESH), or you can nerf it's gun so it becomes less effective when played as a medium in general.

Personally I'm a big fan of having high skill ceiling but balanced tanks so I would prefer it if the mantlet was nerfed, otherwise it drags the skill ceiling down a bit too much.

acoustic shard Aug 9, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Buff the Is-7's over all gun stats. The prem pen is lowest in tier and the bad accuracy doesn't help it at all. It needs increased arcr pen by 15 to 20 and -25 to 30 off it's base dispersion.

compact nymph Aug 9, 2020, 8:21 PM

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You lost me at « The prem pen is the lowest in tier ». I don’t need to read it any further.🤦‍♂️

karmic steeple Aug 9, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I mean it does for heavies

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I never use prem in IS-7 unless I wanna pen Maus cheeks more reliably, or I wanna have no risks against a facehugging E100, so I don’t use it much otherwise. Stop hating my baby 😭

coarse harness Aug 9, 2020, 8:44 PM

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A bit better gold pen and accuracy/aim time wouldn't hurt it tho

APCR pen to 315-320 and the accuracy from 0.362 (same as E-100) to 0.353 (SConq, WZ 1-5)

orchid grove Aug 9, 2020, 8:52 PM

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All IS-7 needs IMO is a gun handling buff (from .2/.2 to .16/.16), and 10mm more nominal armor on the front, and it'd be fine

remote oriole Aug 9, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I think it’s fine where it is, a very nice heavy to drive with a lot of options to bait, plus one of the best turrets in the game with good mobility

regal grove Aug 9, 2020, 9:26 PM

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best turrets haha but its main compeititon is is-4 good luck with that turret

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Both have their weakspots ._.

zealous arrow Aug 9, 2020, 9:37 PM

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IS-4s turret can be penned with Heat frontally though

unique scaffold Aug 9, 2020, 9:38 PM

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@zealous arrow with luck. It is very very hard

karmic steeple Aug 9, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Bruh if you think is7 and is4 turret are equal idk what to say lol

distant river Aug 9, 2020, 9:45 PM

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IS7s turret is weaker than IS4s but both are very strong in randoms

thick condor Aug 9, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Is4 turret is loads better

minor moon Aug 9, 2020, 10:12 PM

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WG balances me. By making me play with 200 ping

nimble zodiac Aug 9, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Could you imagine if no tanks had prammo, oh how it would crash how armor is thought to be

jagged crescent Aug 9, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Rip HESH tanks

coarse harness Aug 9, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Then VK 72 would be actually useful lol

shrewd harness Aug 10, 2020, 12:05 AM

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But u really can’t pen is-4 when it’s face hugging you in a maus, e100, or jg. also other tall tanks, Also yes I know to shoot the hatch on top but it is also very difficult if their gun is blocking it and their moving way 2 much. How I’m I going to shoot a is-4 cheeks in a e100 if they can just still push me? Also in tr your at spawn where you usually 1v1 (if on the same team) there isn’t much places where u can back up to if they get your side in most maps. 1 many people get into 1v1 it’s common on wotb 2.It’s fun 3.you can learn to get better in a 1v1 4.You can prove your dominance in a 1v1 (Lol). They just push you their usually not dumb.

distant river Aug 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Cheeks of IS4 have small pennable areas and are much better to aim at than the hatch, but I would always go for backing up a ridge to shoot down if I have more pushing power

viscid blade Aug 10, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Or just not get into a 1v1, they’re messy, don’t guarantee success even if it’s gud players vs bad, and it’s just so much more efficient to flank and stuff

jagged crescent Aug 10, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Back up and shoot down at the de-angled hull

nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Lol I love HESHing unknowing IS-4s in a facehug

pale copper Aug 10, 2020, 2:37 AM

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T20 and Pershing need a major buff

regal grove Aug 10, 2020, 3:00 AM

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is-4 does not have pennable cheeks, that rectangle is actually the mantlet and behind that is like 250mm of armor
the only weakspot in the turret are the tiny cupolas that can usually only be shot by taller tanks

uncut osprey Aug 10, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Either side of the mantlet you can pen with around 280 penetration its just a hard shot

minor minnow Aug 10, 2020, 3:36 AM

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I’m aware pf it being less, had a friend in an E75 do it several times

orchid grove Aug 10, 2020, 3:44 AM

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@regal grove When forced to, I go for the cheeks, which are pennable. And sometimes I get lucky and snap them, albeit it's extremely rare, and I rarely waste my time trying to pen the turret.

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shrewd harness Aug 10, 2020, 4:02 AM

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But was my question answered? How do I beat a is-4 easier Is it possible to pen the top of an is-4 with gold in e100? Ik it shows gray (pen able) but It’s troll armor so?-?

jagged crescent Aug 10, 2020, 4:03 AM

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load the gold.

orchid grove Aug 10, 2020, 4:09 AM

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@shrewd harness In an E-100 facehugging an IS-4, you're probably going to lose on flat ground, since your best bet is to load HEAT and aim for the cupola, and if he wiggles or gun blocks you, you're not gonna pen.

Really, if an IS-4 facehugs you, you should find a hill to reverse back onto so that you can aim for his upper plate instead

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shrewd harness Aug 10, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Ok thank you so I’m done for if I fight a 1v1 right away away same team on a training room? (Only chance is shooting hatch)?

mental pasture Aug 10, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Unless if you are on an almighty Jagdpanzer E100 (or on secondary tanks like Ho-Ri and 268) than prepare some prammo for IS-4

nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 4:18 AM

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I use prammo for IS-4 facehugs in my 183 ;)

plush perch Aug 10, 2020, 4:32 AM

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@nimble zodiac u use hesh?

wind pendant Aug 10, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Is4 is hella easy pen in the e100 bc you should always run calibrated in the e100 and abuse the 377 mm heat pen

orchid grove Aug 10, 2020, 4:38 AM

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@wind pendant In a facehug, this is what your calibrated shells does. Literally nothing. And also, by running calibrated, you're killing your DPM advantage over IS tanks and the VK 72 and Maus for literally no reason

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nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 4:39 AM

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@plush perch if the IS-4 is inexperienced you can HESH them lol, in the same spot Posit1ve is pointing out

wind pendant Aug 10, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Calibrated is way better in the e100. Id rather reliably pen shots than bounce one and lose 640 off my dpm as a result. For example, calibratedheat lets me pen the maus upper plate with ease whereas I have to aim and potentially bounce on the cheeks without calibrated. Also facehugging like that is a terrible idea in general, especially in the e100, and u have 15 kmhr reverse anyways if they try to rush and facehug you. Lastly it's not killing dpm when tbh all superheavies, and especially heat heavies like the is4, e5, and e100, should be running calibrated. Tanks that are both superheavies with poor accuracy and heat heavies that gain a substantial amount more pen with cal (such as is4 and e100) should doubly be running calibrated, because while tanks like the e5 benefit largely from it, they at least have some accuracy. (Though id still recommend calibrated on the e5). You dont realize how nice the added 40 pen is till you actually run it and suddenly there are so much more available shots, such as ez pens through medium turrets that are red w/out cali

nocturne mauve Aug 10, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I think russian mediums benefit more from CS than rammer

uncut osprey Aug 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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All meds imo benefit from cs over rammer

jagged crescent Aug 10, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I run rammer on my meds and TDs. Calibrated for heavies.
No point in getting extra dpm on my heavies if I have to load the gold instead

wind pendant Aug 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Another thing i missed is that it greatly helps with the e100 HE pen

jagged crescent Aug 10, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Delicious

teal raptor Aug 10, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Is this balanced?

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plush perch Aug 10, 2020, 8:17 AM

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😂

turbid smelt Aug 10, 2020, 12:51 PM

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@orchid grove can e100 penetrate is 4 through cheeks on either side od gun mantlet?

nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 1:28 PM

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With HEAT, yesh

stiff edge Aug 10, 2020, 1:55 PM

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is4's turret is prob the strongest besides kranv's
its extremely hard to hit its cheeks

unique scaffold Aug 10, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Mauschen honestly needs a DPM buff....

karmic steeple Aug 10, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Mauschen is fine

safe basalt Aug 10, 2020, 2:18 PM

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@glass pagoda hey reply

cerulean gorge Aug 10, 2020, 3:44 PM

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#BuffTheE6
Ways to do it
1:bring the E5 consumables to the E6
2:buff the cupola to make it stronger (like the e3 cupola)

nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 3:59 PM

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You ask way too much of a cupola if you ever mention the E3

twin fulcrum Aug 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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E3 cupola is not a cupola its a shield

lone warren Aug 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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So basically you want a cupola that is near impenetrable and most tanks won’t be able to penetrate it

full token Aug 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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I haven’t faced the E6 for a long time so I’ve forgotten, isn’t the E6 turret pretty much an E5 turret but with the big cupola? So if you remove the cupola you remove the weakspot on it?

nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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25mm ball on the side of the turret is a thing

stiff edge Aug 10, 2020, 5:30 PM

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no it isnt

nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I've been lied to D:

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stiff edge Aug 10, 2020, 6:37 PM

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yep

jagged crescent Aug 10, 2020, 7:37 PM

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tumor numer 2

cerulean gorge Aug 10, 2020, 7:51 PM

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They should make it like the E3 cupola OR bring the consumables ,
The cupola like the E3 will make it harder , nor impossible to pen It , lust a little point to pen , make it a
Competent tank

distant river Aug 10, 2020, 7:54 PM

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E3 cupola is basically impenetrable... 🤦‍♀️

jagged crescent Aug 10, 2020, 7:56 PM

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10 mm of extra armor won't hurt

orchid grove Aug 10, 2020, 8:00 PM

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T95E6 is fine where it is. Remember guys, we’re not trying to make it OP. As it stands, it’s overall a little worse than a tech tree tank (T110E5), but it has a unique twist in the mobility, which is exactly where I think tier X prems ought to be balanced

cerulean gorge Aug 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Make it more reliable agaist tier 10 oponents , maybe 290 mm or 300 thats not Op , thats competitive

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nocturne mauve Aug 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

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It’s a unique tank that’s really mobile, it’s a bit like a lightly armoured chieftain

jagged crescent Aug 10, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Xx_LoL_xX_2019" really thinks that 290mm of effective armor isn't op and is just "competetive"

fiery dagger Aug 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

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290-300 is definitely op. Some tanks don't even have that much prammo pen, and that's without angling.

remote oriole Aug 10, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Making it only penable by prammo is not “competitive” but the same ridiculous pay-to-win balancing WoT PC has

shrewd spear Aug 10, 2020, 8:52 PM

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These stats show that the sheri needs a buff so please give it 400 extra alpha on its missile

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nimble zodiac Aug 10, 2020, 8:52 PM

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l o l

dark glen Aug 10, 2020, 9:02 PM

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BC deserved the same buff then

karmic steeple Aug 10, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Give batchat 560 alpha ez

cerulean gorge Aug 10, 2020, 9:42 PM

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At least give t95e6 the E5 consumables

full token Aug 10, 2020, 9:43 PM

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It’s not that slow. Doesn’t need the speed consumable.

remote oriole Aug 10, 2020, 9:45 PM

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It actually qualifies to be one of the fastest heavies of the entire game