#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 160

distant river Jul 10, 2020, 8:34 PM

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^ extremely overhyped and overpriced but balanced. It's a great move by WG to make probably lots of money from the reputation it had while not ruining tier 10 even more, and the charms are an added bonus

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 8:47 PM

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@subtle cloak it's... 279mm?

Oh yes, the easily counterable spot to shoot

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meager spruce Jul 10, 2020, 8:49 PM

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right at the sides of the gun mantlet... the pink-purple part to the left and to the right....

queen storm Jul 10, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Buff is 7 not blance ez ammorack ez pen weak at side

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Everything is weak at the side, except like, KV-4, but yeah, IS-7 still holds it's place. Getting ammoracked usually means you've made a mistake

jagged crescent Jul 10, 2020, 9:12 PM

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You don’t angle the IS7 pikenose

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queen storm Jul 10, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Is 7 not bad but still god is4

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 9:22 PM

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IS-7 can work beautifully in pubs, just gotta find the right spots and do the right pushes and hugs

shell pawn Jul 10, 2020, 10:21 PM

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buff matilda its a horrible nightmare to grind through on tier 4 and against tier 5s its literally useless

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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LOL They actually plan to buff Matilda already, damage goes up to 80 and the HP gets buffed too, it's actually insane so just wait, Matilda is already strong not gonna lie

odd tendon Jul 10, 2020, 11:06 PM

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matilda pretty useless when uptiered

night flame Jul 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

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only tier 3 has SOME difficulty fighting Matilda. all the rest just laugh at its 'armor' (tiers same and above), dpm and speed. it has some chance facing pvp straight upfront though

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Idk, I won a 5v1 with it, the best counter is a normal tier 5 player or a seal clubber, the new players would have trouble

stiff edge Jul 10, 2020, 11:56 PM

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very few tier 4s stand a chance against higher tier heavies anymore

stone stag Jul 11, 2020, 12:30 AM

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some tier 4s can't pen T1 Heavy's side and some are 2 shots if a KV-1 or BDR shoots some of those tanks

nimble zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/7-1-preview

Get ready for chaos tho

7.1 preview

All changes from 7.1 Open Test game client, compared to previous release.

tiny geyser Jul 11, 2020, 3:37 AM

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That’s gonna be epic

vale sun Jul 11, 2020, 4:46 AM

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tier 4 is a giant meme, the tier gap 4-5 is ridiculous

dim field Jul 11, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Gap used to be worse. Long time ago Leo could basically one clip most tier 4, and could ram as well.

nimble zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Wait Leo did more than 300 damage with AP?

frosty crypt Jul 11, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Oh dam

minor minnow Jul 11, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Wait I have a legit question. Why the hell are the OG tier 1’s getting buffed? Is this a leak for something big? At least the majority of them are, from a quick look I saw the Leichtractor, the Cunningham and the original Cruiser. No sign of the MS-1. There are the old Renaults for China and Japan I think too. No France though.

viral needle Jul 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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It happened in 5.7 too, I doubt it means anything

nimble zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 5:23 AM

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@minor minnow many say the gun a tier I has is getting buffed for a tier II that has the same gun, but some guns are also getting buffed that I can't find a tier 2 counterpart

thin ermine Jul 11, 2020, 5:55 AM

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@nimble zodiac cause some of these guns are on collector tanks that you probably do not / no longer own

drifting depot Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 AM

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cough not like all wargaming does for premium tanks is give them literally the same gun as tech tree ones with just an A or something like that added to it..... sometimes not even that, they're just "premium" versions of the same gun ffs

nimble zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 6:12 AM

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@thin ermine name another tank with the 37mm Browning Semiautomatic Gun

hollow bolt Jul 11, 2020, 6:15 AM

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so i was blowing up a fuel tank earlier in a match, and i had this idea, like what if each team had a couple fuel tanks and in the match if they got blown up the other team would get more points or something, maybe it would be a new mode......instead of cap the flag its blow up the reserve fuel tanks......

dawn field Jul 11, 2020, 6:19 AM

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hi

nimble zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 6:45 AM

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@dawn field hello, this is where players express their thoughts on how powerful tanks are in relevance to their tier

gleaming arch Jul 11, 2020, 9:54 AM

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LOL They actually plan to buff Matilda already, damage goes up to 80 and the HP gets buffed too, it's actually insane so just wait, Matilda is already strong not gonna lie
Matilda is the tier 4 turtle with AMX 40. It has troll armor, good reload but his damages are too small. It also have a serious lack of mobility.

lavish plinth Jul 11, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Not sure if this is balance related, bad match making or participates playing poorly on my side. We got slaughtered. I think there should be a minimum of say a lower tier vs higher tier. Minimum should be as an ''example'' 3 tanks @ T4 and 4 tanks @ T5 on each side. It should never dip (in my option) below the 3 and 4 ratio.

plush perch Jul 11, 2020, 3:33 PM

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blanance . gremar

dense walrus Jul 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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@scarlet fjord #blitz-memes

scarlet fjord Jul 11, 2020, 3:37 PM

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before you murder me i had a reason
i had to do it here for a reason and i think you know why

autumn zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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No I don't think we do

dense walrus Jul 11, 2020, 3:53 PM

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All I saw was an unfunny meme and I knew exactly where it belonged

scarlet fjord Jul 11, 2020, 4:14 PM

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whatever helps you sleep at night mate

unique scaffold Jul 11, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Wouldn't it be more fair if ranked matched were playable only with tech tree tanks?

scarlet fjord Jul 11, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Wouldn't it be more fair if there is a specific requirement that actually helps people in ratings
why is this person calibrating for rating battles?
can you please do something about this it seriously ruins your experience when you calibrate

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noble siren Jul 11, 2020, 4:37 PM

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@scarlet fjord ah a good player u got there

drowsy idol Jul 11, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Omg he has 4192 battles that’s more than me he’s a god!!1!!!!!1!11!!1

plush trellis Jul 11, 2020, 6:17 PM

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All I saw was an unfunny meme and I knew exactly where it belonged
@dense walrus hmm i kinda want to bet 10 dollars it was a kv2/183 meme or a tog meme

dense walrus Jul 11, 2020, 6:18 PM

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@plush trellis actually not it was the template of throwing the guy out the window because he suggested buffing the T-28

muted rampart Jul 11, 2020, 6:34 PM

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@scarlet fjord there are a lot of this things in our game and we have to deal with it :/

minor minnow Jul 11, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Honestly I think the T28 could use a bit of a buff, or at least an armor rework so it’s historically accurate

@unique scaffold ShHHhHh I mEaN aRmOr

unique scaffold Jul 11, 2020, 7:39 PM

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real thing caught on fire during testing soooo

analog briar Jul 11, 2020, 7:54 PM

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More armor on cent 7/1 ples can’t even hull down

stiff edge Jul 11, 2020, 8:00 PM

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sir thats the leo 1, stb and prog, e50m has 450 alpha on its HE @muted rampart
all other 105mm guns at t10 have 440

noble siren Jul 11, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Not all medium tanks are meant for hulldown @analog briar

analog briar Jul 11, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Ik but it has no strengths besides the gun

thin ermine Jul 11, 2020, 8:08 PM

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@nimble zodiac I looked. I looked hard, and I couldn’t find any available tank with that gun. So maybe we do have a glimmer of hope.

unique scaffold Jul 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Hi, developer my user is Neon_Amethyst and I want u to plz give me 5 million credits in WOTB, plus I played this game over 7 years and I passed 5 years, u make everything better in WOTB AND I DAILY PLAY IT, I HAVE NO CREDITS, IM DIEING OUT OF CREDITS, so plz give me some credits.

stiff edge Jul 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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bruh so many things are wrong with that i dont know where to start

quartz steeple Jul 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Yes give me all tanks as well

dense walrus Jul 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

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At least he didn’t ping them

minor minnow Jul 11, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Hi, developer my user is Neon_Amethyst and I want u to plz give me 5 million credits in WOTB, plus I played this game over 7 years and I passed 5 years, u make everything better in WOTB AND I DAILY PLAY IT, I HAVE NO CREDITS, IM DIEING OUT OF CREDITS, so plz give me some credits.
@unique scaffold imagine begging for credits 😂 if you want credits get a tank that you’re comfortable in and can make nice credits and get grinding my guy. I picked up the T26E5 and grinded 1mil+ in one afternoon

unique scaffold Jul 11, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Wtf is going on with me?

dense walrus Jul 11, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Good question

nimble zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 9:45 PM

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@unique scaffold one tier 8 tank with OP credit making capabilities is the Lowe, you should check it out, and maybe one day you'll win it from a Huge Container like I did, best win of my life. Also you have 2.9k battles in your career, and uhhh, that's doesn't seem like what one would expect from a long time player, maybe you play one battle every day? Regardless, if you get a tank like the Lowe, Angry Connor, or the Chi-Nu Kai, then you'll be printing credits even with meager battles

scarlet fjord Jul 11, 2020, 9:45 PM

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@scarlet fjord there are a lot of this things in our game and we have to deal with it :/
@muted rampart i know i was just saying maybe wargaming can do something about it would help out a lot

noble siren Jul 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Hi, developer my user is Neon_Amethyst and I want u to plz give me 5 million credits in WOTB, plus I played this game over 7 years and I passed 5 years, u make everything better in WOTB AND I DAILY PLAY IT, I HAVE NO CREDITS, IM DIEING OUT OF CREDITS, so plz give me some credits.
@unique scaffold AHAHAHAH LMAO MATE

plush trellis Jul 11, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Over 7 years? 👀

formal vale Jul 11, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Or just, you know, buy a premium tank? You've been playing for 5+ years and you still haven't even accumulated enough gold to at the very least get something for free? It's not like you cant just buy a prem either, you've had years of entertainment for free already.

viscid blade Jul 11, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Wtf does “I’ve played for 7 years and passed 5 years” mean

lone warren Jul 11, 2020, 11:18 PM

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he says he has played for over 7 years

interesting

He might have meant he has been playing world of tanks for 7, but blitz for 5? thats my best guess

minor minnow Jul 11, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Big brain player, thinking I’ll go ask for a T22 now bye 👋

oak raptor Jul 11, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Buff super conq pls. The turret sucks

nimble zodiac Jul 11, 2020, 11:55 PM

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I'm sorry nobody tries to wiggle the gun mantlet to defend themselves ._.

pastel cairn Jul 11, 2020, 11:58 PM

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If you don’t wiggle the turret then the armor doesn’t work. I wiggle and I bounce a lot more often. It’s a good balanced tank. It just costs to much.

minor minnow Jul 12, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I think the gun could use some tuning imo, at least in the handling category. There’s no problem with it having less DPM than a 215B but it needs something to make up for it

hybrid umbra Jul 12, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I think the Sheridan need better armor for one thing

viscid blade Jul 12, 2020, 12:20 AM

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No it doesn’t, u shouldn’t be able to buy a tank that performs similar to a tank that someone grinded their ass on

round bluff Jul 12, 2020, 12:25 AM

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^^^^at this point if you buy a tank, it should be better than the one someone grinded for.

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Well if the time spent grinding was paid as a minimum wage job, even half, would be much more worth it but fun cuts the profit a lot. Just saying

odd tendon Jul 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Weegee's reversal on their old premium policy f'ed over so many old premiums. You have super Pershing and is6 competing with action x and 252u now

shadow topaz Jul 12, 2020, 1:45 AM

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When did they reverse the premium policy? They're not getting nerfed

Please name one after the policy was adopted @crystal spoke

crystal spoke Jul 12, 2020, 1:46 AM

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They've nerfed premis before (ram)

remote oriole Jul 12, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I think he rather meant the policy of not introducing op premiums. And 5.5 is a perfect example for several premium nerfs

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Which premiums did they nerf?

Oh yeah, T2 Light and whatnot, but then again they were made collector tanks for that reason

odd tendon Jul 12, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Premiums were originally meant to be weaker than fully upgraded tech tree tanks but then weegee started making them overpowered af.

I also bought a t2 light a few months ago thinking it was still fast but it felt like I was driving a brick

wet wharf Jul 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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best low tier premium/collector tank is probably the PzB2. You are always top tier.

dense walrus Jul 12, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Kenny Otsu anyone?

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 3:06 AM

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M3 Lee is the best tier IV for damage output

wet wharf Jul 12, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Imagine if wg sold the kenny otsu again.

stiff edge Jul 12, 2020, 5:06 AM

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If they nerf it enough they can

vale sun Jul 12, 2020, 5:48 AM

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toaster is overpowered don't @ me

minor minnow Jul 12, 2020, 6:09 AM

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I mean..........

muted rampart Jul 12, 2020, 7:19 AM

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@remote oriole They didn t nerf aby Premium in 5.5 They turned them info collectors and Then nerfed. They still didn t nerf any Premium vechicle

scarlet fjord Jul 12, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Imagine begging for credits in balance discussion
Scratch that imagine begging for credits after playing the game for "7" years even tho the game just recently got its 6th birthday 🤦‍♂️

muted rampart Jul 12, 2020, 10:01 AM

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@scarlet fjord imo that was troll

unique scaffold Jul 12, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Due the uitprint upgrade in the past for heavy tanks , TD,s at tier 10 are less effective . Perhaps it could get some buff like faster loading guns to re balance
Just a bit of a thought to shuffle it to a balance

open spindle Jul 12, 2020, 11:44 AM

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fix ping kek

remote oriole Jul 12, 2020, 12:24 PM

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@muted rampart Technically they didn’t nerf a premium tank, but practically they very much did. Some of the tanks they nerfed were event tanks, some were tech tree premiums and some could only be had by paying cold hard cash. To say the very least, they created a legitimate method by which they can nerf premium tanks - turn them into a collectable (which makes their sale give you gold)

muted rampart Jul 12, 2020, 12:42 PM

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@remote oriole yep

icy sequoia Jul 12, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Guys, the Kranvagn is an autoreloader

remote oriole Jul 12, 2020, 2:28 PM

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autoreloader

plush perch Jul 12, 2020, 2:57 PM

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it is still on test, it will get changed when it comes out, @minor minnow depression is 9 not 12, again it is on test and it will get rebalances

remote oriole Jul 12, 2020, 2:59 PM

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The dpm is by no means poor in all autoloaders. They are actually quite average
(Misread, he said autoreloaders)
The dpm for most autoreloaders isn’t poor either, though. They rank average or below average, but not straight out bad like the Kranvagn, which even has bad dpm for tier eight. However, I do support that it has awful dpm considering its package of armour and burst

gleaming apexBOT Jul 12, 2020, 3:26 PM

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dynoSuccess Chlepek#6424 has been warned.

gleaming apexBOT Jul 12, 2020, 3:48 PM

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dynoSuccess Chlepek#6424 has been warned.

plush trellis Jul 12, 2020, 3:49 PM

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👀

muted rampart Jul 12, 2020, 3:49 PM

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?

distant dew Jul 12, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I’ve got an idea for a possible premium tank, any chance I can get my idea to the real life?

jagged crescent Jul 12, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Very unlikely

odd tendon Jul 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Kranvagn has 3100 first minute dpm, basically the same as mk6 , and included is the fact that 1200 is done within 7 seconds. Prog has the same first minute dpm as t62a and 1050 is done within the first 6 seconds

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Well FV4005 slaps 1380 in 6 seconds

distant river Jul 12, 2020, 9:08 PM

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And a long reload and no armour...

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Only takes 18 seconds, that's 3.4k DPM, #tank-balance-discussion b a l a n c e d

nocturne mauve Jul 12, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I wish the heavy buffs were reversed

pastel cairn Jul 12, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Why

formal vale Jul 12, 2020, 9:28 PM

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just more HP to farm lol

nocturne mauve Jul 12, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Oh is it? Keep wasting your time killing 1 tank, plus it’s more HP for a professional player to use, why the hell should a tier X heavy take 10 shots to kill from a med? Um heavy tanks actually have reliable armour and people should take advantage of angling/wiggling instead of being carefree because you’ve got too much HP to bleed

karmic steeple Jul 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Yes, this was the point. Make heavies do their job better

Bc it’s a heavy tank it’s supposed to take hits. Before heavy hp pools were almost the same as medium hp pools

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Heavy tank that takes advantage of armor beats the heavy tank that bleeds ;)

karmic steeple Jul 12, 2020, 9:55 PM

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It really doesn’t matter how well you use your armor even the best professionals bleed as long as youre doing your job right as frontline taking shots. No I’m not saying purposely exposing weakspots so you get penned I mean you’re gonna get penned eventually. That extra hp allows heavy tanks to take more shots for their team so they can be more effective. And ngl if you’re struggling with heavy tanks because you have to shoot them 1-2 more times it gives me the impression that you’re a bad player

nocturne mauve Jul 12, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Bad player? Ok? Tell me when the easiest class to play was underperforming

coarse harness Jul 12, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Heavies now doesn't give a damn about getting hit by a big alpha gun
The buff was not needed, the hevies were fine before

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Well it helps my IS-7 out ;)

odd tendon Jul 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Watching a med try to kill my is4 with 300 alpha is pretty funny and sad at the same time. T9 meds have no chance fighting a t10 heavy

round bluff Jul 12, 2020, 10:24 PM

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incoming low 60%ers telling you not to fight tier 10s in your tier 9s

full token Jul 12, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Don’t fight tier 10s with tier 9s. Nubs.

There, now my WR has increased by 30% and I meet the above description of 60%

nimble zodiac Jul 12, 2020, 10:40 PM

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I can't even drag myself up 2% lol, but I don't see why tier 9 meds should be matched with tier 10 heavies when considering balance

autumn zodiac Jul 13, 2020, 12:05 AM

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Problem is Meds need a Health buff because Wargaming decided lights were gonna have medium tank health

jagged crescent Jul 13, 2020, 12:16 AM

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What if their old penetration values were restored

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Yes pls, a t54 chipping away 260 at a time on an is4 or e100 deserves to have a chance at penning instead of bouncing every other shot. Wg's attempt to "balance" the meta with large scale buffs and nerfs always screwed over meds. Pen nerf->Prammo damage nerf->Heavy hp buff all f'ed over meds to the point where driving one nowadays is playing at a disadvantage

karmic steeple Jul 13, 2020, 12:33 AM

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You’re comparing a tier 9 medium with very good tier 10 heavy tanks and acting as tho that proves something. I agree with mayo up there that meds either need a slight hp buff or lights need an hp nerf idk which one would be better for game

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 12:37 AM

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No, heavies just need a HP nerf because why the hell does a tier 8 VK 100 get 2k HP? So it doesn’t die too quickly you said, it already has really thick armour and doesn’t need to be reinforced by giving it 33% of its original HP added

Now, show me when the heavy class was underperforming and needed buffs

nimble zodiac Jul 13, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Imagine fighting a tier 10 heavy with a tier 9 medium from the front

Do 310 to their sides/rear and whatnot

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Yes because very good tanks will be spammed and because you are a tier 9, you will be uptiered to tier 10. MM will throw those games at you and in those games, trying to survive is pretty much the only thing you can do

Maps in blitz are small so flanking isn't always the option and even then, you often can't get through the sides of certain heavies without heat. My e5 even had to shoot heat into the rear of a maus because it was angled, would be fun if i was in a t9 med with much less pen

karmic steeple Jul 13, 2020, 12:44 AM

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@nocturne mauve it’s slow and has no dpm. It’s a tier 8 maus basically. Supposed to distract enemies so teammates can farm them and kill them. The hp is so it doesn’t die too quickly if it’s leading a push or holding a flank.

Twister 2019. Aggressive med meta

unreal kettle Jul 13, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Please redo match making, its completely unfair that the fact a team that is all 40% players that have no clue what they are doing with 1 50% or higher player that knows what he is doing is fighting a team that is all 50% players or higher with one guy that is 40%. Ik u guys redid it a while ago so it goes by tank, at this point it doesn’t matter what tank or how op, its what the players are able to do, u give a new guy a super op tank he will have no clue how to use it and a tank that is op with a horrible driver isn’t op, its just a free kill

nimble zodiac Jul 13, 2020, 12:54 AM

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@unreal kettle irrelevant and not easy to fix

plush trellis Jul 13, 2020, 1:23 AM

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rip tier 8 tanks then lol

jagged crescent Jul 13, 2020, 2:03 AM

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I personally thought that twister was dominated by Heaviums

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Someone should count the ratio of is4s to meds in spring season

frigid monolith Jul 13, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Twister 2019 was Foch, 215b, T22, and occasionally a full team of Progettos

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Still more variety than spring's 5 is4s, maus, and sheridan

raw oar Jul 13, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Or a few years back with is7 and obj140.

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 10:31 AM

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BRUH the hp buff was fine. If you really find any problem shooting 1-2 more than damn. Yeah Is 4 shouldn't receive any HP buff at all cause the tank was OP before. But there are tanks like Is 7 and Maus that needed the buff and etc. You have the DPM to deal with the heavies and TDs can still do the job. Just adapt cause the medium tanks are still more versatile than any other class.

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 11:01 AM

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@noble siren Hahahaha nice joke lol. The IS7 and maus were perfectly fine before the stupid buff, now they are just stupid. Two more pens can be a huge difference in time and damage taken in return.

Not only are heavies by far the easiest class to play, they are now the most rewarding class until you get to be a unicum. There is literally no point for the average player to choose to play a medium over a heavy. That is why we have the stupid 3 heavies every single game in random battles and even 6 in ratings. It literally just slows blitz down and gives bad players an advantage for going against what blitz is supposed to be about.

Heavies will always be the easiest class to play because armour allows mistakes. To balance this, they should have a nice low skill cap and be less effective so playing meds and lights which requires more skill is actually rewarded. The hp buffs have ruined this, and that's why the meta is as awful as it is now (looking at the huge variation of 3 mauses, 1 E3 and an IS4 in every skirmish team)

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 11:15 AM

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Haha and you will probably say Stb and AzWz121 are hard to play xD

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You are just like that genius guy who said "Kpfz needs ATGM cause it's bad and it won't be OP"

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 11:26 AM

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Compared to a maus or IS4 yes and if you think differently then there is no hope for you

In short, managing a 0.75 damage ratio in a maus (very very bad) will still get you around 2400 damage per battle which is better than actually performing half well in a med.

Are you ever going to come up with any actual points to defend yourself or just try to make out like I'm an idiot which kinda has the opposite effect?

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 11:46 AM

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If you trying to brawl Maus in close combat with a medium - yes you are an idiot. You have to exploit the hulldown advantage you have and will almost always get 800-1k damage. Sure Is4 is the best tier 10 heavy tank. But medium tanks are far more versatile than any other class, and if you have problem making them work then it's not game's fault but only yours. And about the choice of tanks, people usually play 3 heavies 3 meds 1 Td or 2 meds and 2 Tds. It was always like that stop crying.

thick rover Jul 13, 2020, 11:54 AM

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Calm down lmao

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 11:55 AM

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assuming every med is a hulldown monster, very smart 🤦‍♀️

Again 800-1k damage is almost a third of what you can expect to get playing a maus badly. The IS4 is the best tier 10 tank, not just heavy. They used to be more versatile but you can't beat 2.8k hp with great armour and decent mobility and a bad gun with slightly better mobility and dpm unless you are a better player. I am make meds work just fine thanks, but my teammates clearly cannot and that is just because heavies are significantly better to play until you get to unicum skill levels. Heavies were always common but there were never double the amount of heavies in the queue as other classes like there are now. It has ruined the meta and made it back to the 6 heavy 1 med/TD games you see in ratings fairly often

ember mica Jul 13, 2020, 11:57 AM

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vk72 buff when?

vestal kelp Jul 13, 2020, 11:57 AM

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@distant river I hope you take in cosideration that the maus isn't supposed to have a high damage ratio
I rather have a maus in my team which does the job right(taking shots for teammates holding the frontline trading HP etc.)than a camping maus at the back only worrying about the damage
Overall It's really hard to get even above a 2.4k avr dmg on the maus so i wouldn't say it's bad
and idk if you already had experienced the maus on your own. But I won't discuss about this since you already have a salty conversation with someone else

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 12:06 PM

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@vestal kelp 2.4k average in the maus isn't hard at all lol you can literally yolo at two tanks and manage that. And yes ofc I know the maus isn't meant for dealing damage but the fact is that it can helped by the hp buff

cloud tiger Jul 13, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Will vickers CR be nerfed in 7.1? It so op that makes every other t9 tanks looks pathetic.

vestal kelp Jul 13, 2020, 12:22 PM

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@distant river well I don´t see many people around having a higher avr than 2k on the maus(prob because many people suck playing this tank since it actually needs a brain unlike those russian heavys)but yeah in my opinion the maus is still a tank which many struggle to deal damage with because they play the tank wrong(wrong=not being the one on the front the most, not eating the damage etc.)there are still many other heavies which are way more easier to deal damage in.

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 12:30 PM

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The average dpb is 1700 so there are plenty of people with over 2k average. And the maus doesn't need a brain to perform fairly well in the slightest, and to get it to its max potential only requires pre-planning of positions and knowing the best angle for it which really isn't hard at all.

Fun fact: the maus has the lowest damage ratio of 0.86 but it has the 3rd highest career WR. That includes before it got 3.2k hp. If that doesn't tell everyone it's an easy tank to play then idk what will

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 12:32 PM

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It is also most prone to prammo spam so it evens out even with the HP buff

lunar niche Jul 13, 2020, 12:32 PM

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Ratings are mostly dominated by meds/lights matchups on tier X for me. Tier 8 is the one where i see 5-6 heavies quite often.

Maus is easy to play because more than half the playerbase cannot aim. A slight angle and they will begin to panic seeing all those red highlights.

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 12:40 PM

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@storm hatch Prammo means even less dpm, and that is definitely not something you can afford to do against 3.2k hp with that much armour.

@lunar niche When you get to high ratings yes meds are much more common at tier 10, but at the ratings that most people see you still get 4-5 heavies per game

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Ever heard of focus firing? @distant river

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 12:50 PM

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@storm hatch You know what, no I don't think I have 🤦‍♀️

First of all try organising focus fire with teammates and tell me how that goes, then tell me how many games you lose because your entire team has focused on 3.2k hp of armour that literally let's the other 6 tanks massacre you while it survives for minutes.

The easiest way to beat it is to ignore it, but that isn't going to happen anywhere outside of tournaments so you cannot use that as a strategy.

unique scaffold Jul 13, 2020, 12:53 PM

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@solar sorrel Alex's looking at Sheridan i think Nerfing Sheridan's engine power was a total mistake, Yes Atgm's were OP but after the latest nerf i think we can actually say it's balanced, But the problem is when you nerfed Sheridan's engine power cause now we have Sheridan's Snipering which is basically out of the question, when you nerfed the engine power on Sheridan all you basically did was ruin Tier 9 and 10 games i am not just talking about the person actually playing the Sheridan but the entire team that has to suffer cause now instead of playing a light role it's obviously become a TD, Well it's not exactly a td but now player's use it as a TD cause they are to scared to go out and spot cause the tank only has 460 engine power, As a player i think you should buff the engine power back to what it was originally.
These are my thought's on the Sheridan but idk where you guys as devs get you so called "info" from. Please re-think your decision on the Sheridan.

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 12:54 PM

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You are overthinking this way too much, 1 maus is not the difference between a loss and a win. And the HP buff only made it to where it can take 2 more shots, not a huge deal @distant river

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 12:56 PM

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A extra shot that you can take can cause you to win games, I’ve seen heavies win games purely because of their HP pool, and it’s so annoying when my kolobanov is prevented because he has way too much HP, there is no reason a tier X heavy should take 10 shots to kill, even more with premium ammo

frosty oriole Jul 13, 2020, 12:58 PM

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shoot faster :🤡

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 1:02 PM

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@distant river Pretty much every medium is played hulldwon to lower the chance of getting hit my friend except the Fv Leo and Progetto (Considering Leo can be good at hull down and Progetto having narrow turret). If Maus rushes 2 tanks that's a certain death to the Maus player, but if you have iq less then wet rag sure mate, if you find it that hard to circle a slow enemy🤦🏿‍♂️🤡 🎪 . And gold ammo exists omega lul.

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 1:09 PM

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@storm hatch Just having a WZ120FT or a T22 or a smasher on your team is not the difference between a loss and a win 🤔

Again I have to repeat myself, two or three more pens is a huge difference especially in a tank like the maus. Tournaments are literally lost when the losing team deals more damage because they don't have the heavy spam. And again this is 2-3 more shots per heavy which are now by far the most common class especially in ratings.

It literally takes over a minute to kill one tank for some tanks, and that's assuming every single shot pens and you are shooting on your reload constantly. That definitely isn't fast gameplay and so that isn't what blitz should be at all.

@noble siren Ummm just no? Idk if you remember but this game is called blitz and it's about tanks because you clearly don't understand what meds are for. You clearly haven't read what I wrote at all, a maus can easily rush 2 tanks and deal over 2k damage and that's one of the worst things that you can do but it still gets better performance than a 48%er playing a med. Afaik it takes more IQ than a wet rag to be a superuni but hey you clearly need something to insult otherwise you have no points at all.

blazing egret Jul 13, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Imagine buffing fv215b 183

plush trellis Jul 13, 2020, 1:28 PM

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I didn't like the heavy buff hp. Specially to tanks like the is4. But its meh to me. I don't mind at this point

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 1:31 PM

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@distant river No you CAN'T rush 2 tanks and get easily 2k damage, this meme never existed. You are clearly biased against the Maus for some reason. A normal med has 300+ alfa damage and there is no tank with more than 500 hp buff, so saying 3 more shells for a heavy is entirely false statement. It's less even less than 2 shells. If you lose a battle with Kolobanov because the enemy heavy had 200 more hp, that's your fault for focusing the certain tank. Meds are the most versatile class in the game, combines good armor speed and guns. 2 meds against one Maus is a death sentence 3k+ 2.8k DPM against 2.3k DPM, Maus can deal maximum 1800 damage if the medium tanks are stationary and not moving. In a real scenario Maus against 2 meds will deal no more than 1.5k damage if he gets rushed by 2 tanks. @plush trellis Is 4 and is 7 could be balanced with the hp buff, like is 7 having more health than is 4 and is4 having like 2350-2300 like fv215b.

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Yeah I find the is4 more of a threat with the HP buff than the maus @plush trellis

plush trellis Jul 13, 2020, 1:39 PM

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@noble siren yeah i agree. Wish the hp buffs were for tanks that needed it the most. @storm hatch yeah is4 is annoying xD

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Maus is soo annoying to fight

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Is 4 has great low profile, good speed and super good gun and on some maps you can angle and hulldown.

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 1:53 PM

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And the maus doesn’t have a great gun nor good speed, so idk why honourless is complaining about the maus when the IS4 exists @noble siren

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 1:56 PM

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BuT iT hAs ArMoR

plush perch Jul 13, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Maus is easy farm bruh

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Tell that to the man above ^^ @plush perch

shell pawn Jul 13, 2020, 2:39 PM

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make maus have 5000hp and make it move 40km/h

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 2:49 PM

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@noble siren you literally need to survive for 5 shots which is stupidly easy to do with 3k hp and the armour the maus has, you won't win the 1v2 but you can do easy damage. Again for some reason you are assuming teams don't exist, and that the maus is somehow incapable of bouncing shots from the meds which is pretty stupid. Go watch (or even play) a tournament on any map that isn't open and see how mauses are used, and then see how literally any player under 60% will perform better in a maus than a med.

@storm hatch The IS4 was great before the buff, and for those special people who can't read I am saying that the heavy HP buffs as a whole were a stupid idea using the maus as an example.

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I disagree they were very much needed, what I do agree on would perhaps be that some tanks they gave too much HP, like maus should’ve gotten 200-300 imo @distant river

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 2:54 PM

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The hell do they need so much HP for? I have much less opportunities to take them head-on compared before the HP buffs, it’s not worth it to fight them in a medium anymore because you’re gonna lose anyway if the guy has half a brain cell

Who asked for a buff to the easiest class to play

And if you thought heavy buffs were deserving, I can’t comprehend that at all, Action X was buffed

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Again why were they needed?

Heavies are the easiest class to play

Before the buff they were already good.

Now they are more effective to play unless you are a unicum, which forces most players into heavies making the game less like it should be.

What part of that is hard to understand?

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 3:09 PM

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damn those 2 above are really butthurt^^ @nocturne mauve You think it was unneeded I think it was needed @distant river you basically unable to do 2k damage against 2 meds, I made the math and with stationary targets you get max 1.8k, you kept with 2k and other bullshit. You don't have any argument at all while I can prove you wrong

frail silo Jul 13, 2020, 3:09 PM

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you really are making a fool out of yourself by doing that

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 3:12 PM

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How is arguing against an unneeded buff butthurt, it’s quite clear they didn’t need anything. Now go back to the 🎪 and do something useful for once

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 3:14 PM

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damn those 2 above are really butthurt^^
When you can't defend yourself so you have to act like a 4 year old and resort to name calling

storm hatch Jul 13, 2020, 3:23 PM

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The buff was mainly to compensate for the lack of dpm a lot of tanks had which is my a lot of tier 7-9 deserved the buff. As for tier X I understand not all heavy tanks needed the HP buff some did ex: AMX 50, 113, e100

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Ah yes the maths of "I said this so this must be true", I love it such a convincing argument 👌
And if your entire argument rests on your dodgy maths then I suggest you get out of this server and try again.

5 shots (assuming 1 bounce) is 55 seconds, which is easy to survive against two tanks with 3k hp and the armour of the maus

@storm hatch Again that is just a lie the heavies have armour to make up for that. They were already easy to play and they never needed a blanked buff.

river vigil Jul 13, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Heavies didn’t need the buff but it was helpful. The buff was to increase their survivability. Nothing like a minute into the game and your heavies are dead as that kills almost all chances at winning. By giving them more survivability it allows them to do their jobs easier. All heavies heavies should have a simple formula armor, low speed, decent sized gun with lower dpm than other classes

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 3:44 PM

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@distant river then Mr Einstein why do you think heavies are OP go show your well structured argument

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Again why were they needed?

Heavies are the easiest class to play

Before the buff they were already good.

Now they are more effective to play unless you are a unicum, which forces most players into heavies making the game less like it should be.

What part of that is hard to understand?
@distant river Funnily enough I've already done that, some of the less observant people in the back must have missed that. @noble siren

@river vigil The buff wasn't helpful at all heavies were already easy to play with their armour, they didn't need anything 🤦‍♀️

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Ay lmao there is no single argument about why heavies are OP with the hp buff, you are just stating something without any argument.

supple barn Jul 13, 2020, 3:59 PM

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BUFF jg pz e100 pls

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 4:02 PM

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no single argument why heavies are op

take a look at #devs-answers and see how far up the wr for heavies are compared to other classes

river vigil Jul 13, 2020, 4:02 PM

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The buff doesn’t force players into heavies they still can choose. If you look at public matches heavies in the past year or so have been left out and haven’t been buffed the buff is to help heavies get better because there is nothing you can do when your meds sucks and lose the flank. So why have to fight meds when you just lost all your hp by holding the other side. This hp buff helps heavies be able to do more. If you say heavies are this easy to play you are right. But where is the fun when you drive 20 kmh can get penned by meds cause their pen alpha and dpm are so high? There is no fun in that. It’s literally 1-2 shots more of hp most tanks got buffed if you see it as such a problem rethink what tanks you play and how well you play them. Great example of why heavies were given the buff is the Sheridan. That tank had everything before the buff. Had speed to run and avoid heavies had alpha to punish heavies for doing their job and generally was op in a heavy on med fight the med will win even if the players are exact same skill level simply cause if advantages of the med. To you heavies didn’t need the buff but in a simple game where the best traits are mobility and gun the heavies are left out. Look at comp teams and you can see fast heavies with good guns and armor but I have yet to see a lot of bounces in twister cup with how great the is4s armor is @distant river

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Heavies didn’t need to become better, they were already dominating

karmic steeple Jul 13, 2020, 4:04 PM

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That is such a lie lmao go watch 2019 twister

frigid monolith Jul 13, 2020, 4:08 PM

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That was nine months ago. Also, if you forced me to guess, I’d say the 215b was the most played tank there

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 4:18 PM

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@odd tendon maybe because it depends on the heavies to win the battle

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 4:19 PM

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@noble siren Buffing a class that was already good make it... Hmmm what's the word I'm thinking of... Oh that's right, even more unbalanced!

@river vigil The heavies could already do enough easily, and again if you think I have a problem beating them then think again. This is about the average player getting a huge advantage by playing a heavy. Again comp teams are not anything to balance the game off, but again you see heavy spam there anyway. You could also see that before the heavy buff heavies dominated anyway.

river vigil Jul 13, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Check the stats before the buff they are roughly equal. If you have such an issue with most heavies gaining 100-400hp you must struggle with heavies then

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 4:21 PM

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So they were equal, why did heavies need a buff then? I'll tell you why. WG f'ed up on the sheridan and realized it screwed over heavies much more than meds but they didn't want to admit it so heavies got the buffs they did.

unique scaffold Jul 13, 2020, 4:32 PM

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@distant river if u can’t take two more shots then idk what you are doing. To me it is just a free farm to get more avg dmg. I think the reason for the heavy buff was because the meta was going way too much towards the med side and Ig wargaming wanted to make the meta heavier.

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Wargaming has been trying to make heavy's the meta since the 3.# updates. The heavy buff falls in line with the methodology that they have been using for over 3 years.

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I honestly don't think that the addition of missiles had much influence at all on the buff to heavy tank hit points.

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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@river vigil Career stats, no prems of tier 10 sorted by WR. Orange marks new or fairly new tanks or ones that have been stupidly broken (foch). Green marks heavies. See how they were the best class by a long long way?

And again it's the teams not me, the teams are the one that can't deal with 1k+ extra hp to fight a game.

But even so, if they were equal they still don't deserve a buff at all let alone a huge blanket buff.

@unique scaffold How many times to I have to say this??? I. Can. Handle. Heavies. My teams cannot. The average player gets a distinct advantage by playing a heavy. The reason for WG wanting to make the meta heavier is because they want to make it seem more accessible to average players, if they see pros playing tanks that they can play easily and well (which means heavies) then they feel closer to that level.

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olive hawk Jul 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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iTs tHe tEamS fAuLt I cAnT dO mOrE thAn 2k

river vigil Jul 13, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Learn how to farm off your team and if you hate how teams “can’t deal with heavies” help our team focus them down or better yet play one since they are so OP and broken and break the game

unique scaffold Jul 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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@olive hawk it's my fault I can't do more than 2K.

round bluff Jul 13, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Stop acting like everyone who complains about heavies can't play. Honourless and that strange STEEB guy can pubstomp 9 days a week. They don't need to pretend the game balance is perfectly fine.

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Everything would be fine if ATGMs were removed and heavies nerfed

unique scaffold Jul 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

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No it wouldn't. If those two things happened someone would find a whole new crop of things to complain about.

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 5:10 PM

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@river vigil Why do you always think this is an issue specifically to do with me? 🤦‍♀️

I can perform just fine in this meta, the issue is it makes it slow and more boring. The other issue is that the average player cannot do anything, and so it ruins the game for them. Me joining the issue just ruins it for everyone, but I can easily notice that while grinding my E75 it's stupidly easy to win and my stats show that as I have a 30 day WR 11% higher in that tank compared to my normal 30 day WR.

@unique scaffold No game is ever perfect but as long as WG are moving the right way then there will be much fewer complaints, just like the superconq not being op and having charms meant that fewer people have complained about that (from what I've seen)

unique scaffold Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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The fact of the matter is wargaming is going to make balance adjustments off of metrics that we have very little visibility of in the interest of making the game fresh and profitable for as long as possible. They may listen to some of our input but at the end of the day it all comes down to keeping the game fresh and profitable. if our input lines up with those goals it may be implemented, if not, it won't. You can either adjust how you play to the decisions that they make or you can come on discord and complain about all of the things you don't like.

river vigil Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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If you have no issues stop complaining about it you can always help the team a single move is all it takes to win the game. It really isn’t slow all heavies have ok mobility and it’s a 7 minute game no need to win in the first 30 seconds

round bluff Jul 13, 2020, 5:18 PM

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This is balance discussion. The whole point is to complain about balance.

unique scaffold Jul 13, 2020, 5:28 PM

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And here I thought it was to discuss balance. Discussion ≠ complaining

round bluff Jul 13, 2020, 5:30 PM

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"(tank) is too strong/ too weak, wg pls change"
"play better"

That's literally this channel

minor minnow Jul 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Big brain moment

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 5:38 PM

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@unique scaffold I can adjust my play and complain at the same time, the louder the voice from the community the more likely WG is to listen to it. It's time WG stopped bending over backwards to the worse part of the playerbase who in general don't know what's best for the game.

@river vigil That's just such a narrow-minded and ignorant perspective, some of us can see that there are issues that affect other people even if they don't affect themselves.

And yes it is slow, and it's the opposite of what blitz is about. Flanking is almost impossible to do well when you have 6 heavies in each team

unique scaffold Jul 13, 2020, 5:40 PM

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@distant river I think they are going to bend to the majority that spends the most money. Keeping the majority happy is how the game survives.

distant river Jul 13, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Those are not necessarily the same thing, as a company they are going to do what benefits the money spenders or what tempts people into spending money, but that isn't necessarily what benefits the most people. They have to find a balance between the game surviving and them making money. The louder the majority of the playerbase is about the things that are bad for the games health like crates, broken tanks etc the more likely the game is to survive. @unique scaffold

river vigil Jul 13, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Blitz as in 7 minutes total

jagged crescent Jul 13, 2020, 6:40 PM

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aaaa business and economics

drowsy plaza Jul 13, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Heavy buff to me is benefiting pretty much everyone. Good players farm more damage and bad players live another 30 seconds. Needed, absolutely no, but not game breaking.

round bluff Jul 13, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I don't care for the extra damage. Its just annoying that a decent player driving a maus can hold back an entire team of pubs just because he knows how to overangle.

meager spruce Jul 13, 2020, 7:16 PM

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but overangling means that you have passed the angle where instead making your armor stronger you are making it weaker.... Perhaps you just mean angle?

round bluff Jul 13, 2020, 7:30 PM

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If youre just angling in a maus, usually people can still pen right through the lower plate and damage you. The secret is to exaggerate the angle, where for most tanks its considered an overangle. Any maus driver that figures out how thick the maus's sides are becomes basically invincible to the average pub.
That alone doesn't make the maus annoying, but it also has 3180 hp

meager spruce Jul 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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@round bluff yes ... thats called angling. Overangling is when you pass the point of good angling and instead of making your armor better you make it worse....

jagged crescent Jul 13, 2020, 8:26 PM

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^

plush trellis Jul 13, 2020, 8:31 PM

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👀 🍿

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 9:06 PM

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this is your daily reminder that (super) pershing, indien pz, cent 1, at15, t28, and kv4 exist in the same tier as action x, tiger 2, wz120ft, defender mk1, and obj 252u

noble siren Jul 13, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Is3 Def*

obtuse sparrow Jul 13, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I mean the indien pz is by no means a bad tank

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 9:19 PM

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it's been one of the worst performing tanks in t8 for almost a year now

jagged crescent Jul 13, 2020, 9:23 PM

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The tanks aren’t bad. It’s just the WG doesn’t have a good history in releasing balanced premiums

drowsy plaza Jul 13, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Premiums fall into three categories: OP, OK, Stinker. Just like tech tree.

drowsy idol Jul 13, 2020, 9:31 PM

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threes

drowsy plaza Jul 13, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Super Pershing isn’t. They trashed that tank when they ‘fixed’ the spaced armor model.

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The IP and Cent I aren’t as bad as the stats make it look. They could use some small buffs, but that same thing applies to most of the TT tier 8 Meds.

crystal spoke Jul 13, 2020, 9:39 PM

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The cent 1 is a hard tank to play and even harder to carry in

orchid grove Jul 13, 2020, 9:44 PM

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@drowsy plaza SP was always bad. When they fixed the spaced armor, they made it impossible to pen the mantlet (since you used to be able to pen that too)

It's just more people now know you can shoot straight through SP's hull

nocturne mauve Jul 13, 2020, 9:47 PM

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That tank used to be really armoured

drowsy plaza Jul 13, 2020, 9:47 PM

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@orchid grove it’s been ‘fixed’ at least twice. It originally was impenetrable frontally except the roof

round bluff Jul 13, 2020, 9:53 PM

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sp bloom is the real culprit

drowsy plaza Jul 13, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Bloom isn’t a good word for it. It’s too understated.

odd tendon Jul 13, 2020, 10:22 PM

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super pershing has all the disadvantages of a heavy while being a "medium"

nimble zodiac Jul 13, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Give it a better reload >:)

@meager spruce considering IS-7 can be penetrated by almost any tier II and up given they're not the Pz. II J or sumn weak-gunned, I think T26E4's on the bright side 😅

Oh and T95E6 can be penetrated by everything, super weakspots on the turret

meager spruce Jul 13, 2020, 10:26 PM

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@odd tendon except the fact that it can be penetrated by a tier 5 frontally. also for the speed you get your armor is just garbage

jolly fable Jul 14, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Can you give is 3 a buff cuz its hard to use it and it can be penetrated easily

nimble zodiac Jul 14, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Not if you're hulldown, like nearly every russian should, let alone most tanks

unique scaffold Jul 14, 2020, 10:36 AM

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@visual ledge English only

primal mountain Jul 14, 2020, 1:08 PM

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Could WG devs give a *detailed *answer of how the #devs-answers graphs have been calculated? Especially which players and which battles have been included? And what is the WR the charts are referring to? I assume WG engineers are removing the impact of "stock grind battles" from the numbers. @lusty silo

full token Jul 14, 2020, 1:11 PM

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It’s mentioned that it’s 55% to 65% wr players

nimble zodiac Jul 14, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I'd be confident all battles in random are included, even stock grinds since there's the grace period

full token Jul 14, 2020, 1:22 PM

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It’s also tanks with more than 1% of battles. The stock grind stats may not have as much of an influence if there’s a large amt of battles

primal mountain Jul 14, 2020, 2:50 PM

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@full token @nimble zodiac Guys what exactly does the above mean? Are we talking about career WR or WR during the update? Are we talking about overall WR or WR at the tier? It is not clear at all, but all is in the air as assumptions. Also the "1% of battles" is vague. I guess it means tanks with battles less than 1% of all the battles are excluded to exclude upcoming super test tanks played by unicums. But this all this is not that clear. Therefore I asked about detailed explanation. Not any vague rambling.

noble siren Jul 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Overall WR so if you are 55%+ ur stats on certain tanks will be calculated with the stats of other's Edit: the tanks which you have played during ur career in WotB (Kv1, Tiger t29 or whatever u have played) this will count only if u have 55%+ WR general. IT says on the charts 55-65 so it should be that range of players @primal mountain

primal mountain Jul 14, 2020, 3:19 PM

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@noble siren how do you know for sure? And why only "Certain tanks will be calculated"? Can you please elaborate?

regal grove Jul 14, 2020, 4:06 PM

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lesser played tanks are not counted

primal mountain Jul 14, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Have you guys ever checked how high the average damage is for those supposed-to-be-55-65% players in the charts? As if an average player with 55-65% overall WR achieves 2800 avg. dmg with T110E3 for example. There is something wrong in the graphs.

regal grove Jul 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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what? is 2800 that hard to get in a front line TD?

storm hatch Jul 14, 2020, 4:29 PM

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E3 is broke anyway

pastel cairn Jul 14, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Just a little

formal vale Jul 14, 2020, 5:20 PM

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@regal grove for the majority of people, yes. For decent players, it should be good for them. For good players, they should be doing at least that amount.

primal mountain Jul 14, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Guys, just go and check players who have 2800 average dmg in E3. Those are 65%+ players mostly. Here is a plot of average damage by players' WR at tier X. This is for update 6.10.
Tank Players Battles
1: T110E3 6711 207462
2: Grille 15 26930 1480479

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vale sun Jul 14, 2020, 5:56 PM

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The meta at tier 10 is a yawnfest

solid acorn Jul 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Why is it player wr at tier 9?

primal mountain Jul 14, 2020, 6:20 PM

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just forgot to update the axis title. The code was originally from a blog post comparing two tier IX tank's performance: https://blitzanalysiz.com/blog/2020-06-08_measuring_tank_performance/

Measuring tank performance :: Home

Stats analysis of World Of Tanks Blitz

round bluff Jul 14, 2020, 6:57 PM

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badger needs -15 degrees of gun arc to each side. What an embarrassment of a tank it is right now.

main tulip Jul 14, 2020, 7:53 PM

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^^

minor minnow Jul 14, 2020, 8:25 PM

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It’s not that much of an embarrassment 😂 I may be Bias but it’s great as is. You just need teammates supporting you

round bluff Jul 14, 2020, 8:28 PM

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It has nothing going for it over an e3. Just as slow, but without the speed consumable. Lower plate and superstructure are both weaker than the e3's. The badger has 15 degrees of gun arc in pc, it wouldn't break the tank to have the same on blitz.

main tulip Jul 14, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Not to mention the dpm is the best in the game on PC but in blitz it's only above average, for whatever reason

noble siren Jul 14, 2020, 9:33 PM

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cause more players maybe?

round bluff Jul 14, 2020, 9:34 PM

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lolwat

noble siren Jul 14, 2020, 9:46 PM

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lolwat Edit well the tank probably lacks the same way in terms of speed and rotation and to make for it, it has high DPM cause getting flanked in WoT is not something unusual while in Blitz it's mostly ur fault

full token Jul 14, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Wdym about the players?

jagged crescent Jul 14, 2020, 10:27 PM

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wag

round bluff Jul 14, 2020, 10:46 PM

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if a sheridan wants to drive up behind me, it does so. I've played the badger, and it gets flanked often because its inflexible.

nocturne mauve Jul 14, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Then sell it

odd tendon Jul 14, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Weegee isn't consistent with pc vs blitz tanks, ie. Jagdtiger on blitz has 1k more dpm than the one on pc.

In the case of the badger, the tank is so mediocre that there're so little redeeming reasons to play it. Mediocre dpm and gun handling, armor that falls apart when anybody with CS looks at it, and awful mobility that lets you get flanked by almost anybody. Giving the badger more flexibility with its gun arc, one of the worst already in t10, won't hurt game balance.

nimble zodiac Jul 14, 2020, 11:34 PM

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WG doesn't need to be consistent with PC, PC is a crazy meta, especially in the lower tiers, and like every 150/152mm TD is a flippin Jageroo with different qualities

nocturne mauve Jul 14, 2020, 11:50 PM

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So how fast are the rockets rn? They’re definitely not 45m/s that blitzstars says

minor minnow Jul 14, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Hell if I know

crystal spoke Jul 14, 2020, 11:59 PM

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PC and blitz are also entirely different games and shouldn't be compared

round bluff Jul 15, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Either way, badger should get 15 degrees to each side

vale sun Jul 15, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I'd prefer if the E3 stayed better than the badger, screw tier 10 premiums :/

nimble zodiac Jul 15, 2020, 12:18 AM

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BUt The bAdGEr iS A colLECToR tanK

@nocturne mauve sounds about right tho ._.

round bluff Jul 15, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Gun arc buff wouldn't make the badger better than the e3. E3 still has better armor, better style of gun, and super speed consumable.

jagged crescent Jul 15, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Most of the tier x tds have 12 degrees each side (except hori and foch).
The Badger has 10

round bluff Jul 15, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Just give it 15 then

unique scaffold Jul 15, 2020, 1:34 AM

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So why did you waste money on badger instead of E3

viscid blade Jul 15, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Y are u complaining about how good a collector tank is. They should be mediocre so 8 yr olds can’t just buy their way to a gud t10

storm hatch Jul 15, 2020, 3:05 AM

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—Ooorrr make it to where there are certain restrictions and criteria you must meet in order to be able to buy a tier X.

vale sun Jul 15, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Just make it so that you can't buy a tier X

jagged crescent Jul 15, 2020, 3:21 AM

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That’s how you lose potential revenue

nimble zodiac Jul 15, 2020, 3:26 AM

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They have enough prems/collectors to cycle through, adding like 1 or 2 new tanks per update is a good strat

vale sun Jul 15, 2020, 3:32 AM

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hurr hurr what will a poor company like WG do without the revenue from tier 10 premiums hurr hurr, how do they feed their families :(
People have shown that they are willing to spend large amounts of money gambling on tier 8s, why not keep it there?

nimble zodiac Jul 15, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Queue walk in: Capitalism.
If they get even more money they can continue hosting epic Blitz stuff, like the professional tournaments in the future

unique scaffold Jul 15, 2020, 4:29 AM

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@round bluff badger doesn't need a buff, you do sir. if anything they should buff the e3 and give it more speed

minor minnow Jul 15, 2020, 4:31 AM

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It has the speed consumable @unique scaffold

odd tendon Jul 15, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Speed consumable only lasts 15 seconds, 19 at most. AFter that, you're back to being regular old e3

rancid wharf Jul 15, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Furthermore, having mentioned both of the peers E3 and Badger, while focusing in their quite alike physical characteristics and modeling we must admit that the Badger does even worse than the tech tree counterpart, which doesn't encourage competition but redemption in playing it. Having said this, a change like increasing its gd up to 14-15 would provide a different pro to compensate the inferiority in other aspects.

vale sun Jul 15, 2020, 5:05 AM

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E3 needs a turret
Heck, give it 2 turrets

unique scaffold Jul 15, 2020, 6:22 AM

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We have reached a point where people are begging to buff a premium tank for it to be somewhat better or comparable to a tech tree counter part

karmic portal Jul 15, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Yeah. Its gotten to the point where if a premium isn’t op then everyone bags on it.

thick rover Jul 15, 2020, 7:02 AM

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I can still imagine those arguing that badger is OP so idk man

nimble zodiac Jul 15, 2020, 7:26 AM

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If Badger got a 152mm I think some opinions would change

odd tendon Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 AM

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A gun arc buff isn't going to break the badger when so many of its current traits are holding it back->mediocre dpm, low alpha, slow speed, bad bloom, awful mobility, and situational armor profile. You're going to need to fix a lot of issues with the badger before it can be comparable to the e3, one of the strongest tier 10s currently.

unique scaffold Jul 15, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Yet more reasons on why would you waste money on a badger over an E3

odd tendon Jul 15, 2020, 7:50 AM

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I didn't buy one. I'm not spending 20k gold on this game but if wg is introducing a prem, I'd be fine with them making it ok so that it's playable rather than nerfed to sh*t

nimble zodiac Jul 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Matilda might be broken, js js

latent snow Jul 15, 2020, 9:26 AM

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SP1C is pretty good now thx wg

latent snow Jul 15, 2020, 9:47 AM

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is6 is still trash tho

full token Jul 15, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Less trash than before

latent snow Jul 15, 2020, 10:09 AM

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i honestly cant feel a difference when playing it, still getting upper plate penned by even teir 7s when on flat ground

coarse harness Jul 15, 2020, 11:19 AM

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Where is the spaced armor from the grille ?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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frail silo Jul 15, 2020, 11:20 AM

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@round bluff badger doesn't need a buff, you do sir. if anything they should buff the e3 and give it more speed
@unique scaffold that is just stupid

frosty hill Jul 15, 2020, 11:28 AM

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wat did they buff on the M48

minor minnow Jul 15, 2020, 11:42 AM

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wat did they buff on the M48
@frosty hill I think the armor behind the mantlet got increased from 0 to 177mm

frosty hill Jul 15, 2020, 11:52 AM

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bruh
was hoping for a big-ish hull armour buff...

thick rover Jul 15, 2020, 11:55 AM

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I was hoping for turret buff like not just the manlet

feral canyon Jul 15, 2020, 1:04 PM

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📎 20200715_1358____Sarson____5244749368720779.wotbreplay

vernal oyster Jul 15, 2020, 2:32 PM

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For me when it comes to the E3, another speed buff would be great but I could also settle for some more side armor, just some

thick rover Jul 15, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Yep we might needa buff the best performing td

lone warren Jul 15, 2020, 2:40 PM

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@vernal oyster The E3 is already a strong performing tank. It also received a speed consumable - mostly unneeded for the tank.
Buffing the side armour or its mobility further is overkill.

jagged crescent Jul 15, 2020, 3:19 PM

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The E3’s already one of the top performers

round bluff Jul 15, 2020, 3:53 PM

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So you guys think a gun arc buff will make the badger stronger than the e3? Lmfao

karmic steeple Jul 15, 2020, 4:06 PM

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🧐

random gulch Jul 15, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I also dont think the e3 needs a buff. Its already a strong tank, especially when it got the speed boost consumable

main tulip Jul 15, 2020, 4:38 PM

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The speed consumable is overrated imo, you either have to give up adrenaline or a repair kit to use it, leaving you with only one way to repair your modules, which can get bad in some cases

winged mica Jul 15, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Is it just just me is the new British light tanks more like a medium tank?

main tulip Jul 15, 2020, 6:21 PM

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They kinda are yeah

karmic portal Jul 15, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I feel like adrenaline gets wasted so much, the super speed boost provides a good advantage as you can get to good positions faster

oak ember Jul 15, 2020, 7:22 PM

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hello guys. i have a theme that has to be changed. Theme: Rng. But not just rng, Rng from jg! every jg driver knows, that jgpze100 needs a seriously rng or dmg buff. it sucks when a 17cm German PAK gun does 600? Literally for its size of its gun, it needs to do more 900 or just buff slightly the dmg from the gun. Like from 600-1000 to 700-1100. Give it a 3sec longer reload or just give the gun from 600.-1000, 720-1000. It would make the gun more serious and fearful. since jgpze100 is well known as the big dmg guy in pc and console. it needs its role in blitz too. there are surely ways to improve the gun. i would also give fv183 a slighltly better armor that it can bounche more and a little bit dmg buff, that it has the deathstar feeling. from 683.1163 to 721-1250. yeah only 70dmg buff but jg and fv really needs more its role in the game. remember if u buff fv armor, it would make it more frontline then camping since everyone is camping with it cause it has no armor compared to a medium tank......

jagged crescent Jul 15, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I appreciate your ideas but I'm gonna have to disagree with every single suggestion that you just made

compact nymph Jul 15, 2020, 7:29 PM

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^ when will people stop asking for a 183 buff seriously?

oak ember Jul 15, 2020, 7:34 PM

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183 needs not to be buffed. but jge100.... seriously it does not play its role with the gun. i would like to see more 900 dmg with jg then 700. like i said it must not be buffed from dmg, but it needs more highrolls then lowrolls. more likely 800-1000 dmgs then 600 and 700. they can also change it from 600-1000 to 700-1000. the 100dmg is needed. it makes no sense if u do 600 with jgpze100 that has 17cm. 15cm does more its alpha dmg and highroll then a jge100 with 17cm that does almost everytime 700..... and @jagged crescent can i know ur reason for disagreeing.

nocturne mauve Jul 15, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Do not buff 183, it’s broken if it keeps that alpha. All people do is spam hesh like braindeads

full token Jul 15, 2020, 7:40 PM

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It’s just random. RNG means random. It wouldn’t be random if there’s a greater chance to do high rolls.
Also, I think he disagreed about the FV buff because it has a massive gun that erases like half an enemy’s HP, so a buff enables it to do that more easily, which most do not want.

sand sky Jul 15, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Remove Kpfpz 70, adopt the XM803 MBT from War Thunder buff side armour behind tracks from 60mm-90mm, side hull armour from 90mm-120mm, buff turret armour from 200mm-225mm, buff engine power from 700hp-1000hp, buff APCR velocity and penetration from 240mm-260mm, buff HEAT penetration from 305mm-340mm, buff APCR Alpha from 560-600, HEAT Alpha from 480-500, HE Alpha from 640-900, buff hull traverse speed to 40° and turret traverse to 35°. Up-tier from Tier IX to X

karmic steeple Jul 15, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Kpf is complete fine as is

oak ember Jul 15, 2020, 7:46 PM

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i agree with 183. but jge100 needs like 700-1000 then 600. it does too much 700 and 600. i and most likely we would like to see a buff to the german beast. it needs more 900 then 600. mathematically when u give jg 700-1000 dmg instead of 600-1000 dmg, it would have a 900 alpha which would lead the dmg more around 800-1000. this would make the tank more efficient. Pls guys lets give jg a lovely buff to the dmg. i hope so hard wg would read this and executes it.

unique scaffold Jul 15, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Your gonna encourage back seat camping with it

jagged crescent Jul 15, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Mathematically, giving the JG a 700-1000 dmg range leads to an average of 850 alpha.
Your lack of luck doesn't encourage a buff when the tank's perfectly fine as it currently is.

get gud

lunar niche Jul 15, 2020, 7:49 PM

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More alpha won't solve Jageru's low rolling problem as it will continue to low roll lol.

round bluff Jul 15, 2020, 7:50 PM

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honestly we could do with less rng. Reduce pen and alpha variation range down to +/-5% to make the game more consistent.

karmic portal Jul 15, 2020, 7:53 PM

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I think the rng is fine, pen variation is already at 5% and the alpha variation makes the game more interesting

oak ember Jul 15, 2020, 7:56 PM

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@jagged crescent *850. @lunar niche well. giving atleast 100 dmg more rng buff would make it more doing 900 which would make more sense @karmic portal i understand what u mean, but it needs more 900 dmg then 6 and 700 dmg. it would make the tank stronger when it would do more 800-1000 which would be more efficient.@solar sorrel could u speak that with devs? jg needs a dmg buff for making bigger rolls then low rolls. thank you

unique scaffold Jul 15, 2020, 8:00 PM

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nerf the gun arc on the badger please

round bluff Jul 15, 2020, 8:00 PM

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4005 is too fast remove its special consumables and limit the top speed to 35km/h please

winged mica Jul 15, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Kind of wondering is the super speed boost that the British and American heavies have going to be used in all heavies soon or no cause they were already fast enough before that got that boost and most of the German heavies turn to slow to match them in it both before and after it. Most of the German heavies acts like tds now while the other heavies that has the boost can flank like a medium tank

rancid wharf Jul 15, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Give Foch single shot gun 640 Alpha.

oak ember Jul 15, 2020, 8:23 PM

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@rancid wharf agreed

unique scaffold Jul 15, 2020, 8:55 PM

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nerf foch single shot to 460 so its fair for the badger!

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@rancid wharf speed is its armor, what more do you want?

left minnow Jul 15, 2020, 9:16 PM

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⚠️ investigate tier 6-7 please. in tier 6 tournament, ARL 44 is better than any medium. it has hp buff and cromwell will find it very hard to pen its front whether its angled or not and cromwell speed is balanced and not super fast. also if you ever fix the arl problem, please try to make vk28.01 and vk 30.01 D less generic so that they don't replace it as the next issue

rancid wharf Jul 15, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Okay, seeing that you consider The Badger and Foch 155 competition we must first analyze the prior changes the Foch has received, being amongst the best TD pre 560 damage nerf. It had a 640 alpha that could deal 1280+ within 7 seconds. Yes, it was poorly implemented, and it received its gun reduction which is understandable. However, now it is powercreeped by other TDs in its environment, among all the changes like T110E3's consumable addition allowing it to be quite more versatile, the Foch would've just been diminished among the various nerf. This update provided a better gun handling to the single shot which is 560, but unnecessarily since the auto loading gun is better in every aspect. Encouraging people to change between the single shot and the auto loading one, we must offer a higher alpha 640 to the single shot instead of 560, since it's not a broken tank anymore and barely even used now days.

craggy kayak Jul 15, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Grille need a better camouflage
An E100 spot me 100m in a bush without having fired a shot when in Wt ... no

nimble zodiac Jul 15, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I've mastered the Matilda twice since this update came out, nerf it back, or keep the HP buff but holy mother of future mothers, it's OP

acoustic shard Jul 15, 2020, 10:36 PM

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I would say gun depression Is one the the grille's weakest points. that I think needs to be buffed. the tank is near useless is brawls agents t62's and other low slung meds and lights and even some heavy's. how did thet SP1c pic get in there

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nimble zodiac Jul 15, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Heavies and gun depression? Welcome to Gravedigger, who can't handle a hug because it can only shoot the turret

fringe kettle Jul 15, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I would say gun depression Is one the the grille's weakest points. that I think needs to be buffed. the tank is near useless is brawls agents t62's and other low slung meds and lights and even some heavy's. how did thet SP1c pic get in there
@acoustic shard if u are that close to the enemy than u don't have enough gun depression , u are playing it wrong , the tank is a camper , second line support if u are good enough , but never brawling with anyone , just staying with ur team
and pro tip , it has more gun depression on the sides than on the front , meanwhile in the front it has more elevation so u can adjust to that when needed

acoustic shard Jul 15, 2020, 10:50 PM

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It's not really about how you play it. you will run into gun depression problems even when playing long range. And what happens when the enemy closes the space then it's about the gun depression you don't have. Simply saying "your not playing it right" is an invalid statement that suggests that every game will be the same with no variation. There won't always be a hundred plus mm between you and your target. And there will be time's were you must brawl. and In those time's you will struggle immensely.

heavy galleon Jul 15, 2020, 10:55 PM

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the grille is fine how it is. There is no need for it to be any better.

fringe kettle Jul 15, 2020, 11:00 PM

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It's not really about how you play it. you will run into gun depression problems even when playing long range. And what happens when the enemy closes the space then it's about the gun depression you don't have. Simply saying "your not playing it right" is an invalid statement that suggests that every game will be the same with no variation. There won't always be a hundred plus mm between you and your target. And there will be time's were you must brawl. and In those time's you will struggle immensely.
@acoustic shard Having gun depression is a privilege , U can get away without it but it opens a lot of oppurtunities if u have it
And you don't need a tank to be the best at everything , that way it becomes OP .
"Simply saying "your not playing it right" is an invalid statement that suggests that every game will be the same with no variation" Well in that case in some situations u need some armor / hp to take some shots but u can't do that in grille because it's not what it excels at , as I said every tank has its different features and weaknesses that u need to adjust ur gameplay to fit it

round bluff Jul 15, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Why they buffed the dpm on the grille instead of something like traverse is beyond me

thick rover Jul 16, 2020, 12:05 AM

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Sigh wargaming be wargaming

odd tendon Jul 16, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Why they "buffed" the already impenetrable gun mantlet of the m48 instead of something like gun handling or mobility is beyond me

round bluff Jul 16, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Dude it has better view range and mantlet than the stb now stop complaining

nimble zodiac Jul 16, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Aw that's too bad because STB actually has effective armor around the gun mantlet

round horizon Jul 16, 2020, 2:41 AM

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@odd tendon Its not even a buff its Just WG "fixing"their models

unique scaffold Jul 16, 2020, 2:42 AM

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@round bluff why you have big head no body?

round bluff Jul 16, 2020, 2:54 AM

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@unique scaffold why you have big head no body?

unique scaffold Jul 16, 2020, 2:55 AM

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@round bluff I’m see you have head and no body so you are you are use headphone

jagged crescent Jul 16, 2020, 4:05 AM

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wat

twin bison Jul 16, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Chinese destroyer WZ-113 FT need definitly stronger frontal armour. This tank is the worst X. td.

nimble zodiac Jul 16, 2020, 9:56 AM

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What does making the middle plate spaced armor only do? Would it block HE? Why is it like this?

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muted rampart Jul 16, 2020, 9:59 AM

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imo obj 263 and jgpz needs hp buff

oak ember Jul 16, 2020, 11:13 AM

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No jgpze100 needs more dmg

olive hazel Jul 16, 2020, 11:24 AM

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I just want a katyusha from girls und panzer avatar

meager spruce Jul 16, 2020, 11:30 AM

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@muted rampart there are quite a few tds that deserve a buff before the 263

thick rover Jul 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Just curious which ones will you wanna buff @meager spruce

muted rampart Jul 16, 2020, 11:38 AM

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id buff hp on jgpz and 263, and nearly everything on t110e4

meager spruce Jul 16, 2020, 11:43 AM

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@thick rover grille (slight gun improvements) and concealment, E4 just needs to be fully rethought, FV imo should have a slight gun improvements (as it needs the ability to go in and go out with all of its shot fired fast). Jageroo may need some changes too as its basically a heavy but with a lot less hp.
263 in the current meta is still useable against mediums because of the dpm and trolish armor you have. Unlike the previous tanks you can hold your own against a wider variety of tanks

thick rover Jul 16, 2020, 11:49 AM

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👍 thank you

unique scaffold Jul 16, 2020, 12:34 PM

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fv183 needs a buff

muted rampart Jul 16, 2020, 12:35 PM

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yeah it does. i m not saying to make it broken again but it could use some better camo rating/accuaracy

olive hazel Jul 16, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Katyusha GuP avatar please!!!!!!

azure otter Jul 16, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Rudy and T-43 could use a prammo buff since they always fight tier 8s,194mm of prammo pen is just sad against tanks like Chimera,AX and 252U

unique scaffold Jul 16, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Almost all t7 lights have 190-210 pramo pen

dense walrus Jul 16, 2020, 2:26 PM

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laughs in Type 62

minor minnow Jul 16, 2020, 2:37 PM

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But you gotta remember that most of them carry APCR, and heat overall is a better round

coarse harness Jul 16, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Each of the ammo types has their pros and cons
I personally like APCR better than HEAT overall

nocturne mauve Jul 16, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Heat is much better for me

olive hazel Jul 16, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Katyusha avatar PLS

azure otter Jul 16, 2020, 3:09 PM

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APCR loses penetration over distance while HEAT doesn't, so HEAT>APCR imo lol

nimble zodiac Jul 16, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Well APCR > HEAT if they have angled armor, and noting the high shell velocity, it's great

drowsy idol Jul 16, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Just use ap as pramo shell ¯_(ツ)_/¯

plush perch Jul 16, 2020, 3:24 PM

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use HESH

frail silo Jul 16, 2020, 3:28 PM

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4005 is too fast remove its special consumables and limit the top speed to 35km/h please
@round bluff it literally has 0 armor???
@full token oh well, my apology

full token Jul 16, 2020, 3:30 PM

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It’s a troll message. The one before that asked for a nerf to the Badger when dfltz was asking for it to be buffed

dreamy jay Jul 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Smasher needs nerf, it literally one shoots almost anything on its tier. KV2 has no chance against it at all, or buff KV2 so its more fair.

nocturne mauve Jul 16, 2020, 3:42 PM

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You mean KV-2 one shots at its tier

lone warren Jul 16, 2020, 3:44 PM

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You are complaining about a tank being able to one shot things, but you suggest buffing the KV2 - a tank that can actually one shot things.

dreamy jay Jul 16, 2020, 3:47 PM

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KV2 one shoots mostly light tanks, medium tanks, and sometimes heavy (depending on armor, etc). However KV2 was nerfed, Smasher wasn't nerfed at all and thats a problem. So I would suggest nerfing Smasher so its more fair. Many YouTubers made videos about nerfing Smasher cause its OP.

full token Jul 16, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Everyone wants the Smasher nerfed, but WG doesn’t really like nerfing premiums, even though their own rules allow them to nerf it

mighty spear Jul 16, 2020, 3:58 PM

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There are many tanks in the game that have been left behind. And certain tanks that need huge buffs to make them competent at its tier

unique scaffold Jul 16, 2020, 4:06 PM

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For example Chi Nu needs a buff and yes I agree Smasher needs nerf but they most likely wont do it

frail silo Jul 16, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Everyone wants the Smasher nerfed, but WG doesn’t really like nerfing premiums, even though their own rules allow them to nerf it
@full token it is a collectible
nothing stops them from nerfing them
and players who have them can't complain as they agreed on the company's policies

unique scaffold Jul 16, 2020, 4:13 PM

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T28 needs a frontal armour buff

crystal spoke Jul 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I have the smasher and I'd love it if they just made it a t8 ( I dont play it in pubs just the random game modes and tr)

wide shell Jul 16, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Youd have to buff the smasher to move it to tier 8

regal grove Jul 16, 2020, 5:13 PM

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no you dont

crystal spoke Jul 16, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I'm not so sure about that (I may be baised) every time I've had mixed t7 and t8 games with them they always seem to be on par with the other t8s
(Ik personal experience isn't a great measure but if you compare it stat wise to the t8 derps it's about the same )

frail silo Jul 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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you will probably have to buff the AP penetration a bit
but that is all

minor minnow Jul 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Ap pen to maybe 175, keep the HEAT as is, and buff either aim time or dispersion, not both

odd tendon Jul 16, 2020, 5:36 PM

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"buff aim time"

That is a good one!

formal vale Jul 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I mean, think about it. The Smasher is just a heavy tank with an equal-tier TD gun on it. That sounds like tier 8 material to me. It's literally just an SU-152 that fires slower but gains a turret that has actual armor. It's just dumb.

minor minnow Jul 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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"buff aim time"

That is a good one!
@odd tendon it’s only if the Smasher were moved to T8 for some reason. I think that it’d need some sort of gun handling buff to compensate

storm hatch Jul 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Just give smasher reticle calibration and there you got a tier 8

frail silo Jul 16, 2020, 5:41 PM

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moving it to tier 8 would kinda balance it
putting that thing with tier 6 is just dumb

unique scaffold Jul 16, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Ok

vale sun Jul 16, 2020, 7:27 PM

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It doesn't need an accuracy buff at all to be tier 8, it's more accurate than the borsig. It would probably be balanced as is if it was straight up moved to tier 8. Only thing slightly lacking is ap penetration

coarse dawn Jul 16, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@frail silo or just give it preferential matchmaking like on WoT so it only plays against T8s or against T7 if there is Smasher/Drac/Helsing etc on other team

mint haven Jul 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Smasher does need a big nerf, and tbh all 152mm cannons should do 560 alpha instead of 640 at any tier below 8, and Foch should have 640 alpha again it was not that op

odd tendon Jul 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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foch single shot gun should get 640, autoloader stays the same

sly mauve Jul 16, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Is3 defender needs a buff

minor minnow Jul 16, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Smasher does need a big nerf, and tbh all 152mm cannons should do 560 alpha instead of 640 at any tier below 8, and Foch should have 640 alpha again it was not that op
@mint haven it’s only been sold in crates that’s it’s balancing factor. You don’t see it super often so

nocturne mauve Jul 16, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Actually, 99% of the time I see bots with it

dim field Jul 16, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Just put it against E25's only. It can't even hit them if they face hug it

karmic steeple Jul 16, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Crates is not a balancing factor it just keeps the player base from going insane

mint haven Jul 16, 2020, 10:03 PM

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And making a tank rare doesn’t make it less broken, and both guns on the Foch should have 640 alpha in one shot, cause consider this, AMX 50 b can do 1200 damage in 6 seconds and it has a turret and is very maneuverable, then look at the Foch right now, can do 1120 damage in 7.1 seconds and doesn’t have a turret, so it only makes sense that a TD should have higher burst damage then a heavy tank, so with the 640 alpha it would do 1280 damage in one shot, not that bad, considering you have a time and turret disadvantage over a 50 B

minor minnow Jul 16, 2020, 10:12 PM

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And making a tank rare doesn’t make it less broken, and both guns on the Foch should have 640 alpha in one shot, cause consider this, AMX 50 b can do 1200 damage in 6 seconds and it has a turret and is very maneuverable, then look at the Foch right now, can do 1120 damage in 7.1 seconds and doesn’t have a turret, so it only makes sense that a TD should have higher burst damage then a heavy tank, so with the 640 alpha it would do 1280 damage in one shot, not that bad, considering you have a time and turret disadvantage over a 50 B
@mint haven okay but take into consideration

The foch has more armor
is overall more maneuverable, albeit less versatile
It has a lot more pen, and on top of that carries one of the highest penetration HEAT rounds in the game

nocturne mauve Jul 16, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Why is it the 40wrs that usually have a smasher

rancid orchid Jul 16, 2020, 10:16 PM

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T92E1 needs a nerf

sick garnet Jul 16, 2020, 10:20 PM

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@rancid orchid No not really, it is nothing like the new vicker cr

odd tendon Jul 16, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I see smashers every other game in Tier 7. They're not rare. They're one of the most played tanks in Tier 7 and even 40%'ers pull 60% in them.

mint haven Jul 16, 2020, 10:22 PM

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yea smasher is just way to op

nocturne mauve Jul 16, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Progetto 65 is trash tbh, that gun handling is soo poor, I’d prefer if it had less hull armour and a better gun instead

mint haven Jul 16, 2020, 11:55 PM

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needs better dpm and accuracy

mighty spear Jul 17, 2020, 12:02 AM

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foch single shot gun should get 640, autoloader stays the same
@odd tendon I have no clue why the 640 was nerfed aswell, such a poor move

regal grove Jul 17, 2020, 3:23 AM

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cuz lazy

gentle flume Jul 17, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Kv5 need a buff

odd tendon Jul 17, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Did weegee forget to nerf t92 missile?

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I think it's not very capable anymore, I'm not complaining

minor minnow Jul 17, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Same, it’s fine how it is in it’s current state, albeit the missiles are still a little annoying

stiff edge Jul 17, 2020, 5:28 AM

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yes just gonna take 1/4 of your hp without risking mine sry brb

vale sun Jul 17, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Smasher is 2x more common then the black prince

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minor minnow Jul 17, 2020, 6:43 AM

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They’re difficult to counter but I wouldn’t say game breaking, not in the slightest. Missiles are difficult to control, especially with new players, they can’t do what they used to be able to do, and a big factor is the reload that the Sheridan and T92 carry, 16 and 14 seconds respectively

Regarding the Smasher v BP post, that doesn’t mean too much, it just means people don’t want to play the BP

solid elm Jul 17, 2020, 6:56 AM

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@still ivy hello. I just wanted to tell u that due the update (I think) that there was a mixup. Be4 the update I had 750 gold and after I had 818 gold. So I had 68 more gold. U probably accidentally gave it or something. I just wanted to tell u. If I didnt I wud feel dishonest.
Thank u
My username is in the pic
At first I thought it was a gift from WG but I figured that u wud tell me if it was. I currently have 918 gold, got the extra 100 from watching videos. Feel free to deduct. 🙂
I’m pinging u cuz we both have Rex in our names 😉. Ping me back if u do c this message or if u do anything regarding this.

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karmic portal Jul 17, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Lmao

odd tendon Jul 17, 2020, 7:27 AM

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It's just that many former missile players no longer play the tanks because of the sheridan nerf, but the t92 is still very broken for anybody who takes 10 minutes practicing how to use the missiles

clever musk Jul 17, 2020, 8:34 AM

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Luchs definitely needs traverse speed buff. As a light tank that's supposed to do its job, it turns slower than most of heavy tanks in the game. It's impossible to use its mobility at 100%, while going 60kph it will always run into some obstacle, it has to significantly slow down all the time to don't smash into the rocks and stuff

unique scaffold Jul 17, 2020, 8:52 AM

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So by that logic all speedy tanks are bad because they crash too much

clever musk Jul 17, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Its traverse speed is just 30 degrees/s, if you don't get my point. Slower than IS-4 for example. Most of light tanks turn with speed of at least 40 degrees/s, with exceptions on tier 1. And Luchs. Every other light tank crash because of lack of space, not paying attention during intense game, drifts etc., but not because of tracks made of concrete...

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Nah it's perfectly capable with the high mobility otherwise, and the very painful gun now that it's 7.1

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muted rampart Jul 17, 2020, 9:39 AM

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i think it should get traverse speed buff and dmg per clip buff

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 9:44 AM

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@muted rampart another one?!

It already bursts 180, c'mon

unique scaffold Jul 17, 2020, 9:46 AM

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I like how people want a T4 to be buffed as if your supposed to stay in those tiers

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 9:54 AM

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I mean WG did a good job for the most part. They closed the gap between tier 4 and 5 a little more, even welded ||the Matilda|| one of them in quite firmly, which was a hiccup. The rest of the low tiers buffs came collateral so they didn't get gapped from the tier above

scarlet fjord Jul 17, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Wargaming please reconsider your life choices...
T54E1 310 alpha auto loader (has no HE)
Standard B 350 auto (RE)loader not only has High Explosive but its HESH 105mm pen
it has 1200 burst damage completely broken when shooting tier 8s
fix your broken tank and add HE to T54E1 please for the love of god
before anyone says 54E1 has armor its barely enough to bounce tier 8s with luck and its sluggish
standard be is fast and has gun depression same interclip just a superior system

unique scaffold Jul 17, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Heresa solution reconsider why you chose E1 over standard B

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Oh no AMX 50 120 needs a nerf too since that's a lot for tier 8 tanks

timid cliff Jul 17, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Guys if you are truly reading this pls #buff the leopard pta ma boi needs some attention after Playing the standard b no one even likes it atleast give him some good he pen as std b or a decent gun depression. The standard b is good in every aspect and the leo pta is bad in every aspect pls buff leo pta and make him atleast decent

unique scaffold Jul 17, 2020, 11:01 AM

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In all fairness im still puzzled why the leopards dont have proper HE it literally says in their shell name HEP plus its the same gun as the centurions and 4202

unique scaffold Jul 17, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Balance. Leo already has great DPM and using hep may bring its dpm up to over 4.2k which is better than the obj 263

Fights with other leopards will last only seconds lol

solid elm Jul 17, 2020, 11:38 AM

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@muted rampart I like ur username lol

meager spruce Jul 17, 2020, 12:34 PM

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@muted rampart do you remember the reason for update 5.5? If you don't I will remind you. The sole purpose for the update was to simplify the game for newer players. It aimed to make the low tier vehicles last longer on the battle field so that new players learn the map and positions on it by staying alive longer. And that leads me to my main point. Low tiers are mean to be for new players. So if you are already a developed player you should try to stay out of them and just leave these tiers be as they are.

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@muted rampart btw you got 1 thing wrong. ke ni otsu has the highest clip which is from 160.
But lets take one of your examples that you have. Lets say T-46. Your dpm when you clip isn't loaded is 982 which is some of the highest for its tier. When your clip is reloaded (about the time you would be on the spot where the battle would happen) your dpm should increase even more as you basically have the initial reload removed making the T-46s dpm even higher and putting it at least in top 10 maybe even top 5 dpm tanks for its tier.
(I will continue editing this post because I sent it accidently and didn't finish what I was going to say)
Also remember autoloaders are meant to dump their shells quickly and pull back. I will continue with the T-46 example. You pull out for only a few second, put 150 alpha and then come it. The enemy for that time are only able to shoot you once.... while you do 150. With that you are able to outtrade every same tier tank with the exception of tds

muted rampart Jul 17, 2020, 12:53 PM

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@meager spruce but it s not what the clip is meant to be. clips were made to burst fast a lot of dmg and run. there is no point in fast reloading low dmg clips with high dpm. clips are made to has low dpm. but their unique thing should be possibility to burst more than a half of enemy hit points in a few seconds. after that they should be on long reload and shouldn t be able to defend themselves. this is what an clip means at higher tiers and if we want to make people learn the game it shouldn t be different at tlower tiers. And the putting all shells from clips at higher tiers lasts at least 5 seconds. on 3 tier it s 0,5-0,7 seconds. and clips should be able to outtrade tds like it is on higher tiers

meager spruce Jul 17, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I don't think you understand the playstyle of autoloaders. They are mean to made to peek, make a quick burst, outtrade the opponent and then get into cover and relying on their team for protection. Then repeat. No one ever ... ever said that they should do half the hp of a tank. They are just meant to make a quick outtrade.

muted rampart Jul 17, 2020, 1:05 PM

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@meager spruce i do. but tell me the name of any autoloader at higher tiers that can put it s clip in less than 2 seconds? about this half of hp. tell me any autoloader at higher tiers that can t take out half of hp of most tanks at it s tier? (maybe bat chat 25t can t take out the half of heavies hp but it easly can do that is with mediums)

meager spruce Jul 17, 2020, 1:09 PM

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low tier autoloaders have a lower clip damage but have to expose for shorter. High tier autoloaders have more clip damage but have to expose for longer. I don't see whats wrong with that.

gleaming apexBOT Jul 17, 2020, 1:42 PM

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dynoSuccess raKozeN#8151 has been warned.

hardy hazel Jul 17, 2020, 1:49 PM

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If you want to make lower tiers interesting just add a tutorial for every single type of tanks (How you should play lights, meds, heavys, tds, auto-loaders, auto-reloaders and atgm or how they work) when you get the first tank of that type, and add a some gold, free exp, camo certs or something as a reward so the new players will learn how to play and get rewarded for that.

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 1:55 PM

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If new players want to get good they can research game mechanics and stuff

@meager spruce it's better that your enemy has a 7/6 chance of being a noob vs teammates, assuming the player isn't one ;)

meager spruce Jul 17, 2020, 1:56 PM

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@muted rampart so now you are complaining about players and mm. Nice. You need to learn how to deal with inconveniences if you haven't obtained that skill by now. What you are forgetting that your team will have noobs but the enemy will have noobs as well

full token Jul 17, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Why complain about the low tier players? There’s more new players there than at higher tiers. You’re complaining about newer/inexperienced players being bad, really. What’s the point playing there either? You’re probably good enough to deal with high tiers but you stick to low tiers and make their battles even worse, and then complain that they won’t learn for higher tiers

gleaming apexBOT Jul 17, 2020, 2:06 PM

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dynoSuccess Chlepek#6424 has been warned.

hardy hazel Jul 17, 2020, 2:07 PM

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@muted rampart make it that you can play the tutorial again when you want without the rewards like war thunder.
@full token Im not complaining, or maybe i do because there are a lot of new player in higer tiers camping in heavys or auto loaders/reloaders

gleaming apexBOT Jul 17, 2020, 2:07 PM

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dynoSuccess raKozeN#8151 was banned

meager spruce Jul 17, 2020, 2:11 PM

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ah yes. You want something close to skill based mm since you don't want noob players. Well let me tell you, Skill based mm is god awful and given time everyone would eventually reach the 49-48 point and you would constantly be playing with the same people over ... and over... and over @muted rampart

@nimble zodiac you will be meeting the same people until you reach that wr. I phrased it badly

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Lol, alrighty then

Nerf Matilda

bronze osprey Jul 17, 2020, 2:16 PM

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so i just want to ask, who wanted dpm buff for grille?! Its not really what the grille needed, grille needs a concealment buff, because having the same camo as a Jagpz e100 or fv 183 camo. That camo works with those two cause you have a chance to take a hit/bounce. With grille it doesn't work cause the point of grille is a sniper, getting spotted out at 250m when you take a shot makes it not work cause you get spammed by he.

unique scaffold Jul 17, 2020, 2:24 PM

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I want people to realize that this channel is about vehicle balance. It isn't about team balance and matchmaking.

bronze osprey Jul 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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@unique scaffold dude i would love that

scarlet fjord Jul 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Heresa solution reconsider why you chose E1 over standard B
@unique scaffold and thats the problem right there
Everyone knows standard B completely powercreeps the crap out of E1 so we're supposed to go welp why run an E1 just run Standard B instead of balancing the power creep?

summer thunder Jul 17, 2020, 3:52 PM

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hi can anyone help me get my tank's back because when i did the 7.0.1 update it was'int updating so i had to uninstall the game and then i lost my good tanks like tier 6 p.433 and then i lost all of them so can someone help me get it back????🥺 please if any one can text me on killerwot2019

unique scaffold Jul 17, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@summer thunder you need to download game before you can play bro

full token Jul 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Are you sure you logged back into the right server and the right account? Maybe if you used a social media login it may have created another game account because it somehow unlinked the previous progress? Not sure if it would do that for this game tbh, but try to make sure you did everything right

vale sun Jul 17, 2020, 4:06 PM

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very many textwalls
They should buff the T54E1 tbh, definitely needs something over the standard B

distant river Jul 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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It's the standard b that needs a dynamics and slight dpm nerf (again) and the removal of its HESH

regal grove Jul 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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are yall forgetting that E1 is #2 in the dpm department
it still has a viable playstyle of punishing people who overextend

round bluff Jul 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Doesn't the e1 go at 43km/h or some tragedy

regal grove Jul 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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it got buffed twice after i played it now it goes 50km/h

muted rampart Jul 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@regal grove yeah but it never rreaches top speed. it has to weak engine

distant river Jul 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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15hp/t isn't that weak

odd tendon Jul 17, 2020, 5:29 PM

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15hp/t makes t54e1 the slowest t9 med. M103 with speed boost out runs t54e1 by a long shot. AMX 50 120 and is8 are neck and neck with t54e1. Conqueror is just behind T54e1

Forgot conqueror also has speed boost. So both m103 and conq can outrun t54e1

muted rampart Jul 17, 2020, 5:30 PM

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but it is still to weak to go 50 km/h on flat terrain.

round bluff Jul 17, 2020, 5:34 PM

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e1 could do good with its 350 alpha back. Standard b has that much alpha, in an arguably superior auto-reloader. Both have the same terrible armor, and the standard b is smaller, faster and has better gun depression.

quartz steeple Jul 17, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Guys what about T110e4
Every td at tier x has better things to offer as compared to e4 even e100 provides a better substitute to e4
Gonna edit ;
Ikr
Still not good enough tbh e100 will still out class it and other tds have better stuff to offer
True .... can we get rid of cool down for a sec lol
10 degree of gun dep with no cupola hmm sounds nice and with consumables like reticle calibration and speed boost it would be decent

quick lichen Jul 17, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Worthless when the e100 has 1k more hp

nimble zodiac Jul 17, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Make cupola invincible so only the roof/cheeks are threatening to it

Isn't it already a worse E3?

Idk but maybe buff the turret cheeks because SOMETHING has to keep the balance vs E3. If we do make the turret very hard to pen we should tick the DPM or gun handling down

More gun depression would be nice because the E4 would be chosen over E3 purely for dynamics, and the GD would make it even more dynamic vs the E3

quick lichen Jul 17, 2020, 5:46 PM

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That’s a worse e3

regal grove Jul 17, 2020, 5:47 PM

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10 degrees of gun dep like rest of line?

quartz steeple Jul 17, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Honestly e4 definitely needs a buff sooner or later ...... I d removed cupola make turret ring penable, make cheeks stronger but penable with high pen HEAT and give 10 degrees of depression along with special consumables

orchid grove Jul 17, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Nah, armor buffs to E4 are stupid. E4 shouldn’t be competing with heavies or it will always be worse.

What it needs are gun buffs to make it stand out, since it is a TD after all. An accuracy and DPM buff would be much better suited

quartz steeple Jul 17, 2020, 6:07 PM

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What would you suggest specifically for it then? Cauz I just slapped what T30 does into e4 at tier x .....

round bluff Jul 17, 2020, 6:08 PM

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it needs a speed buff. It has the same speed more or less as the e3, but with nothing to show for

quartz steeple Jul 17, 2020, 6:29 PM

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@orchid grove sorry for pinging but I was curious to know what u had in mind

thick condor Jul 17, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Theyd probably sooner throw reactive armor & reticle calibration on it than buff it outright

quartz steeple Jul 17, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Reactive armor is useless on e4 its gonna get rekt anyways

vale sun Jul 17, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Reactive armour isn't as good of an option in pub games to be honest

vestal oriole Jul 17, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Please fix the Luchs, its unreasonable for it to have such a poor time trying to turn either direction

nocturne mauve Jul 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Say it to grille

rigid moon Jul 17, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Someone give the bat chat 2.5 seconds between each shell :v

coarse harness Jul 17, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Nice dream mate

zealous arrow Jul 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Luches does need buff its traverse is worse than 50B

jagged crescent Jul 18, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Why not buff the gun depression of the E4. That itself is an indirect nerf to the mini turret on top since the depression will make it easier to hide it.

keen oar Jul 18, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I tried playing Luchs a few days ago. I tried to COD a SU85 but I couldn’t even do that :(

solemn crag Jul 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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the apcr pen of alecto stock gun

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nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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If you buff the traverse nerf the gun again

keen oar Jul 18, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Yea I felt like the problem was the gun not the mobility

jolly fable Jul 18, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Buff is3

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Naw, super turret

formal vale Jul 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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The IS-3 is great

rugged kestrel Jul 18, 2020, 8:34 AM

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If you think is3 is bad, you’ve got a whole lotta trouble with the IS8

muted rampart Jul 18, 2020, 8:57 AM

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i d like to see 105mm gun on hetzer and pz 4 again. the same with 105mm on T82

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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We don't want a 183 for tier 3 =P

boreal raven Jul 18, 2020, 9:52 AM

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LTs are too strong as mts jesus

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 10:29 AM

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I'd love to see a BC or Sheridan have a hulldown war with a T-62A or STB-1

jolly fable Jul 18, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Damn IS 3can be penned in front and can you brawl if your armour is weak as paper and the depression is bad how can you hulldown if your elevation is low and its slow and even in higher than 70° angle didnt ricohet

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 12:32 PM

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Dang it's almost like only Tiger II and E 75 have resilient frontal armor all over

@jolly fable if it doesn't ricochet past 70 degrees they fired HEAT

unique scaffold Jul 18, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Please increase the chance to get credit and gold in huge and big container...

plush perch Jul 18, 2020, 2:06 PM

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and decrease amount of crew boosters, also avatars

latent snow Jul 18, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i want crew boosters to train crew skills

acoustic shard Jul 18, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Buff the t2020 It's a boring 53 dollar cosmetic that brings no variation, verity, or nuance to the game. Give it better armor on the turret and hull and bring the reload down to 9.9. You will not only satisfy the unfortunate one's of us who bought it, but secure a market for the tank in the future.

autumn zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 3:04 PM

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So what you want is to ruin the game because it isn't what you wanted?

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Definitely not the reload buff, far too OP 😂

Also I’m not disappointed with the tank, as I did my research and I can handle it quite well, the accuracy is good and the turret snags bad RNG shells

acoustic shard Jul 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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10.2 then the same as the Is-6's old school gun

twilit crystal Jul 18, 2020, 3:43 PM

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So u get high pen and more dpm than most mediums with 400 alpha?

viscid blade Jul 18, 2020, 3:43 PM

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So make wotb even more p2w ig

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 4:02 PM

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If T-2020 gets the same reload speed of IS-6's DPM gun, IS-6 will just be somewhat inferior, only having hull armor and some more turret armor in comparison

nocturne mauve Jul 18, 2020, 4:05 PM

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IS-6’s buff was worthless

regal grove Jul 18, 2020, 4:08 PM

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keep the t-2020 where it is at this point im fine with it at the bottom

distant river Jul 18, 2020, 4:17 PM

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^^^ Somethings gotta be there and it's best that it's a prem with a unique animation so it still has a selling point

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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The accuracy is one of the glorious blessings the T-2020 has for a Russian 122mm

jagged crescent Jul 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Some of yall are way too comfy with the new broken premiums. So comfy that the moment anything mediocre's released, y'all cry.

unique scaffold Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Is6's buff really didnt do anything, its still irrelevant in a tier dominated by really strong or broken tanks.

sweet prism Jul 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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My opinion, it did enough to make enemies aim....no need to break another permium tier 8 heavy

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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At least bad RNG pen shots by lower-end enemies will bounce

dense walrus Jul 18, 2020, 4:38 PM

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What basak said,
It’s a noticeable increase (played against it in tournament yesterday) and it is enough to be annoying now

dim field Jul 18, 2020, 4:58 PM

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It's understandable that people who pay real money for stuff want that stuff to be good. I think they should be balanced and roughly the same level as tech tree tanks.

This will probably be some poor phrasing however there's a bit of a sad cycle low/high end premiums. People ask for premiums to be mediocre/weaker than tech tree counter parts. However when wg releases weaker premiums, few people buy them. Many of the people who asked for weak to mediocre premiums won't buy them and discourage others from buying them. So wg makes little money from it which then encourages them to make stronger to borderline broken premiums, which then everyone tries to buy. So people ask for one thing, don't back it up financially, and then encourage wg to the opposite of what they asked for.

coarse harness Jul 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Since they don't nerf premium and collector tanks it's fine to release weaker and mediocre ones and they can buff it later if it's necessary

round bluff Jul 18, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Wg needs to be able to nerf and re balance premiums. Yes on one hand, weak premiums are bland and unprofitable, but currently overpowered premiums can't be addressed unless you buff the whole tier. Wg shouldn't ruin tier 7 and 8 just because the premium owners think they have special powers. Whales will throw money at the game no matter what.

dim field Jul 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I don't have a problem with them releasing weaker premiums to be buffed later to where they're around. I also don't have an issue if they nerf them either. It's just weird when they are weaker, then people ask for a buff only for people who haven't bought the tank to say they should stay weak.

Currently they can nerf them but it's just taboo so they avoid it. It's an interesting situation

vale sun Jul 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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is6 has 10% better hull armour now, (100 -> 110) That can make the difference in a lot of scenarios
If you're sad that you got the T-2020, don't impulse buy lmao

nocturne mauve Jul 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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IS-6 needs like 130mm front and a turret buff

quick lichen Jul 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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^^^

real bison Jul 18, 2020, 5:53 PM

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when the only thing you can stand up to is low tier mediums or most tier 8 LTs, you start to feel sorry for yourself

lone warren Jul 18, 2020, 6:10 PM

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The turret roof on the IS6 is just depressing

real bison Jul 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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sad how it’s literally the worst IS clone (tied with the T-2020 imo)

vale sun Jul 18, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I don't rate the is-5 tbh, though some say it's good

unique scaffold Jul 18, 2020, 6:27 PM

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The turret roof on the IS6 is just depressing
like why shoot the hull when you can just put an easy ap shell in the roof or the cheeks with no problem whatsoever

nimble zodiac Jul 18, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Problem: RNG

unique scaffold Jul 18, 2020, 6:37 PM

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i have well over a 1000 games in my is6, anyone with half a brain easily pens my turret or roof even when shooting from distance

round bluff Jul 18, 2020, 6:57 PM

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it the same problem as the 4005 isnt it

coarse harness Jul 18, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I would say leave the hull armor as it is now but buff the cheeks and make the guns usable

These are just dreams tho cause WG won't touch it for years🤫

viscid blade Jul 18, 2020, 8:13 PM

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We’ll see another buff in 5 yrs 🤣

minor minnow Jul 18, 2020, 8:46 PM

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I don't rate the is-5 tbh, though some say it's good
@vale sun it’s good for what you pay for, simple as that

blissful vigil Jul 18, 2020, 8:55 PM

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IS-5 is pure troll

drifting depot Jul 18, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Fix grille 15's wonky angles? It really didn't need the reload, just those annoying as fck angles fixed, there's nothing blocking the gun from fully depressing frontally nor does the sides of the gun arc to block it from elevating, just give it the same all around the darn gun arc ffs

jagged crescent Jul 18, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Calm down

odd tendon Jul 18, 2020, 11:59 PM

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can we make enhanced tracks useful? the only tier 10 guns that do not break tracks with a direct hit when running enhanced tracks are the 100mm guns. everything above will break. they should at least make it so that 105mms do not break on direct hit

quick smelt Jul 19, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Can we buff valintine lls Pen like I can’t even pen a Matilda

drifting depot Jul 19, 2020, 2:06 AM

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You're not even meant to pen with the Valentine now imagine a tier 4 kv1, and why asking for a buff in a seal clubbing tank.....

crisp elm Jul 19, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Obj140 needs buff

bronze raptor Jul 19, 2020, 4:26 AM

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no t69 does

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Can we just nerf the Matilda xD

crisp elm Jul 19, 2020, 5:00 AM

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No

minor minnow Jul 19, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Bruh are y’all forgetting about the T1 heavy

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 5:30 AM

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I'm fine if the sides were remotely easy to pentrate

ember thunder Jul 19, 2020, 6:00 AM

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heavily armoured tank destroyers need HP buff
like t28 and t28 prot etc etc

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Maybe they just need armor ._.

minor minnow Jul 19, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Honestly I can see the prot getting a hp buff

jagged crescent Jul 19, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Pseudo Heavies having an HP buff would be nice

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Why can’t tog get more HP :p

Increasing it by 10 was more of an insult than an aid

coarse harness Jul 19, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Give tog 2K HP

unique scaffold Jul 19, 2020, 9:39 AM

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panther 2 needs a buff since it doesnt perform well

distant river Jul 19, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Panther 2 is fine, very nice gun, decent mobility and armour

full token Jul 19, 2020, 10:14 AM

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They recently buffed it

unique scaffold Jul 19, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Does it count as fair that KV-2 can nearly 1 shot the entire tier V or (five) tanks?

real bison Jul 19, 2020, 11:44 AM

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well it has a 20s reload

lone warren Jul 19, 2020, 11:49 AM

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@unique scaffold Even though it has that ability, it’s incredibly lucky that the tank pulls that off, and or the player getting one shotted made it easy for the KV2 to do it.
The gun has horrific accuracy and aim time, and its reload is incredibly long.
Also, theres equipment slots that reduce the HE damage or penetration of the 152mm and other derp guns

muted rampart Jul 19, 2020, 12:10 PM

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@lone warren this equipment is avalible only on The fv 4005 line from tier 8 so kw 2 can t meet in battle tank with it not counting fail platoon

compact nymph Jul 19, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Does it count as fair that KV-2 can nearly 1 shot the entire tier V or (five) tanks?
@unique scaffold The alpha is literally the only good thing about it. Everything else is either mediocre or downright bad. The KV-2 is by no means an overpowered or even good tank.

lone warren Jul 19, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Im not talking about the reactive armour @muted rampart .

For example, this is equipment on the BDR, tier 5

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nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 12:14 PM

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He was talking about the spall liner but okie

I agree the alpha shoulda be just 560/480 BUT HE hits 640

distant river Jul 19, 2020, 12:14 PM

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The KV2 is so game breaking they had to change two entire tiers equipment around it, that tells you enough about it.

It isn't broken because it's op, or because it's too bad, it's broken because it has 960 HE alpha (and good HE pen) at tier 6. No matter what you do that will always be broken. Buff the reload a bit and the accuracy slightly but remove it's HE and change its alpha to be 560/490, and it will be much more balanced

compact nymph Jul 19, 2020, 12:21 PM

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^ worthy idea above, although I heavily doubt derp addicts and all kinds of high-caliber bots would like that and not cry an entire ocean. I don’t have trouble countering KV-2s but it certainly would be a good idea.

full token Jul 19, 2020, 12:38 PM

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They could also just give it the Sheridan’s damage numbers.

distant river Jul 19, 2020, 1:28 PM

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That HE damage is still too much though really, especially with the pen it has which puts it between tier 10 HEP/cheap HESH and actual HESH. It's definitely better than what it is now but it's still a bit too unbalanced imo @full token

muted rampart Jul 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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i think troll guns should stay as it is

@nimble zodiac smasher is only troll gun in game i think should be nerfed XD

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 2:19 PM

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No worries Smasher, you have been let go

Lol ladies and gentlemen we got em

unique scaffold Jul 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Buff 252u

blissful vigil Jul 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

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No u

regal grove Jul 19, 2020, 5:25 PM

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nerf cookie

frosty flare Jul 19, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Is it possible?

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viscid blade Jul 19, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Lots of ratings games and one random game, yes they are lol

wicked pine Jul 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

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ye they are

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 5:49 PM

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They played 5 legit battles

And now I jsut realize this isn't related to this channel

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coarse harness Jul 19, 2020, 5:49 PM

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muted rampart Jul 19, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Vk 45 02 A is balanced and fine as it is. When i Hear something like that i just think wtf is wrong with u xD.

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nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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You're a Jageroo with 85mm of HE penetration, and not many tier 7-9 tanks have that much penetration
Of course the weakspot exists but not many people know such
Like you're ever gonna hit that often given you're likely a TD and not positioned very close to an enemy VK A like that, if they are then they're probably a bad player
I do believe the armor could be better, and 200mm all around on the hull could be roughly achieved, but won't work for quite a few meds/lights. The hull is decent for the most part, assuming you brawl with meds in it. The turret is a problem. 185mm won't cut it, buff that, and if you want a nerf for a buff make the cupola weak, it's also 185mm which is quite surprisingly strong

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muted rampart Jul 19, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I think All The turret needs at least 230 at front near gun, side can stay as it is. The frontal armor on upper plate is angled really bad so if we put The 160 mm like on Tiger 2 it won t be that op and will do it s Job. I would leave lower plate as a weak spot, buff The ckm to 230 because even t49 can pen it. The same with this little yellow thing on right. I would delete this weakspot over The tracks and leave coupola as it is. I would buff The armor under the gun mantlet because everyone can pen it with no problem. If we leave The frontal armor like on Tiger 2 but make coupola and lower plate weak and also leave pretty weak side as it is it will have its own role. For now it s just worse Tiger 2

formal vale Jul 19, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I didnt know about that weakspot, now I'm gonna aim for it with my ISU next time I see a VK

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 6:30 PM

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It does have its own role, it's a medium brawler, mobile for a solid heavy, and enough armor to troll some meds a bit, and 160mm on the frontal plate means about 250mm effective against HEAT... ouch... and that's flat too, the constructional angle is around 50 degrees, the Germans were good at making angled things seem flat, take the JPan II for example, superstructure is hecken ANGLED, the 160mm might be a bit much given its role, but it works

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unique scaffold Jul 19, 2020, 6:38 PM

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T28 wants a word on worst tech tree tank

nocturne mauve Jul 19, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Nerf black prince, why did this tank receive 3k DPM, armour buffs and HP buffs? It’s such a god damn joke how broken it is

distant river Jul 19, 2020, 6:46 PM

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And consumables...

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I love that VK A performed better than KV-4 and IS-5

latent snow Jul 19, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Because no one plays it

jagged crescent Jul 19, 2020, 8:33 PM

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and

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 8:50 PM

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"No one plays it"
Has over 1% of battles

compact nymph Jul 19, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I don't see the [censored] problem people have with that tank. Why does everyone expect all vehicles marked as heavies to have Maus levels of armor? It's just stupid.

The people who try to play the VK45.02 A like a heavy are probably the same as the ones sidescraping in a Borsig smh, you'd need to be really stupid to not understand the VK is a heavium.

pastel cairn Jul 19, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Because the people that expect maus level armor out of any heavy tank are the same people who don’t play the heavy class correctly

real bison Jul 19, 2020, 9:15 PM

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“Oh it’s a heavy tank it must have armour!!1!1!”

The P.40 was classified as a heavy tank by the Italians, yet it doesn’t have armour compared to that of heavy tanks of that time

unique scaffold Jul 19, 2020, 9:15 PM

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That’s irrelevant since it’s an entire other thing^^

zinc fossil Jul 19, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Luchs is viable again, not great but viable

frosty zinc Jul 19, 2020, 10:23 PM

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????

nimble zodiac Jul 19, 2020, 10:33 PM

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The damage output is sufficient enough to compensate for the bad traverse, cuz honestly the traverse is the only problem

odd tendon Jul 19, 2020, 10:43 PM

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You're going up a line that you expect to be heavily armored. Both the tier 9 and 10 require gold ammo to penetrate frontally and can slug it out with heavies. The tier 8 is pretty butter to most guns in its tier.

It's like how the m48 suddenly loses its best in class dispersion soft stats after being in a line that has almost always been the best in that category. Or getting the 183 after going through a line dedicated to pew pew pew.

hardy hazel Jul 19, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I dont know if this can be asked here, but how do that work? Because im considering put that on my Fv 4202

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tiny geyser Jul 19, 2020, 11:23 PM

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It gives %4 armour to ur turret and hull I would only use it on heavy armored tanks

dense walrus Jul 19, 2020, 11:28 PM

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^^^ use the HP boost

stiff edge Jul 20, 2020, 12:51 AM

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actually, it depends on the tank
most of the time go for hp
but some specific tanks that have sharp angles and armour thickness that is around 3x many tanks guns (like t92e1 or t10 prog) you should use armour
Because autobounce/ricochet mechanics

nimble zodiac Jul 20, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Like Progetto

weary scaffold Jul 20, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Missiles are still an absolute joke. I don’t care how many times you nerf it. The only nerf that will make a difference is removing the missiles. Money thirsty marketing campaign to draw in more players...

unique scaffold Jul 20, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Nerf smasher pls its too op, everyone dont even wanna fight it and we always lose bcuz of smasher

coarse harness Jul 20, 2020, 7:58 AM

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After T7 light buffs maybe it's time to buff the AMX 13 90
I would say give it 2sec intraclip reload instead of 2.5sec

little quarry Jul 20, 2020, 8:19 AM

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SP I C single firing 90mm has slight lower dpm than the autoloader one? How-?

Did the single firing 90mm didnt receive the T7 light tank buffs? 🤔

unique scaffold Jul 20, 2020, 8:20 AM

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The autoloader received buffs this update

little quarry Jul 20, 2020, 8:33 AM

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Well, that is unfortunate for me. I have changed my playstyle to single firing 90mm, quite versatile and not quite harsh on punishment like autoloader one when reloading

I would honestly say that this single firing 90mm one should be buffed too at least, since the gun are different unlike the other Tier 7 light tank guns (M41 Bulldog has an autoloader 76mm, but worst dpm than single firing one, as for LTTB, AMX 13 75 and T71, they dont have alt guns but top guns that are clearly better than their respective stock guns)

rotund rune Jul 20, 2020, 8:57 AM

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@unique scaffold

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jagged helm Jul 20, 2020, 9:12 AM

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How about the WZ 113G-FT t10 guys ? What do you think about it ? Is it under powered ? Under estimated ?

thick rover Jul 20, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Idk man but it has been receiving buffs

jagged helm Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Well the problem is that it has literally not better points compared to 268

thick rover Jul 20, 2020, 10:52 AM

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It has better armour and reactive armour I think

nimble zodiac Jul 20, 2020, 11:01 AM

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It also lacks main armor on the middle angled plate

It's literally only spaced armor

@unique scaffold LOL WHAT

Imagine approving your own post with reactions

muted rampart Jul 20, 2020, 11:01 AM

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i think vk 45 02 A should get armor buff, or the vk 45 02 B should be reaserched from vk 100 and turn vk 45 as collectible medium or make a new alternative medium tanks line from it. because for now it doesn t fit into conception of the heavly armored tanks with turret at the back.

unique scaffold Jul 20, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Can we please just nerf the reload on the Sheridan to 25 second. Right now the Sheridan has the highest dpm in the emote game

compact nymph Jul 20, 2020, 11:13 AM

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@muted rampart stop talking about the VK45.02 A as if it was a conventional heavy tank and play it as it should be

full token Jul 20, 2020, 11:18 AM

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@nimble zodiac He is a troll. Only here to do that. Has been doing it all the time on the server

muted rampart Jul 20, 2020, 11:20 AM

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@compact nymph but all the line is meant to be the coventional heavy tank so it should be the same. if it doesn t fit the line turn it into collectible or make the alternative line from it or make it fit the line...

compact nymph Jul 20, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Easier alternative: just adapt your playstyle to the tank, the opposite won't work

nimble zodiac Jul 20, 2020, 11:28 AM

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@muted rampart I don’t see you complaining how FV 183 fits so horridly in its line :p

muted rampart Jul 20, 2020, 11:32 AM

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@nimble zodiac i m not talking about fv 183 because it s something else. i don t know what tank could replace it. only badger could but wg decided to make it collectible. they won t but it into tech tree because it will be one big middle finger to players who bought it. so fv 183 is tank that probably is nearly impossible to replace

halcyon stump Jul 20, 2020, 11:40 AM

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I’m getting lots of HE shell hits for no damage!!!!!!

nimble zodiac Jul 20, 2020, 12:16 PM

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@halcyon stump this isn't necessarily related to vehicle balance, if you'd like me to help you understand why an HE shell hit for no damage, you can DM me

pseudo hedge Jul 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Can we please just nerf the reload on the Sheridan to 25 second. Right now the Sheridan has the highest dpm in the emote game
@unique scaffold you're just salty bc some sheri clapped you're noob cheeks bad

plush perch Jul 20, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Sheri has the highest dpm? 🤦

nimble zodiac Jul 20, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Ez 1344 DPM after suggested nerf

=|

jagged helm Jul 20, 2020, 2:19 PM

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@thick rover it is more armoured but also less troll than 268. Added to the fact that its shape doesnt allow him to trade in any way... U can use 268 s armor way more efficiently than what u can do with wz td Armor.

stiff edge Jul 20, 2020, 2:20 PM

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268's armour is wack while wz's is easier to pen, but more reliable when used properly

jagged crescent Jul 20, 2020, 2:54 PM

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WZ also has the special consumables and I think the sand bags too

minor minnow Jul 20, 2020, 3:04 PM

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I don’t believe it has sandbags, I think that’s exclusive to American and Brit heavies

nimble zodiac Jul 20, 2020, 3:05 PM

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WZ has sandbags

frail silo Jul 20, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Can we please just nerf the reload on the Sheridan to 25 second. Right now the Sheridan has the highest dpm in the emote game
@unique scaffold sheridan
highest dpm? in what world
besides not even the death star reloads in 25 seconds lmao

turbid smelt Jul 20, 2020, 3:20 PM

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@frail silo it's a trap m8

latent snow Jul 20, 2020, 3:34 PM

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The Sheridan is the worst light in teir 10 rn

turbid smelt Jul 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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nah, it is t49 at tier x which went to gym

missile advantage is still very significant
on pc they are incredibly easy to control

yea gym training was pretty good

frail silo Jul 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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it is not as bad as people put it
it is still pretty good
@turbid smelt a t49 minus relying too bloody much on RNG to hit shots lmao

minor minnow Jul 20, 2020, 3:50 PM

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T49 with penetration and it’s a lot less fun

viscid blade Jul 20, 2020, 4:11 PM

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U can’t really say that the sheri is the worst t10 LT cuz they all have very different play styles and u can’t compare them

unique scaffold Jul 20, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Grill 15 got a wrong buff. Needs camo and traverse speed buff

muted rampart Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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@unique scaffold +1

latent snow Jul 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Sheridan has the worst speed, dpm and profile. The missiles barely even work anymore since the curving angle sucks.

you can say it has a different playstyle, but it doesn’t even fill that role well anymore.

@minor minnow a t49 is small and fast, it can be sneaky. the Sheridan is huge and doesn’t have such speed.

minor minnow Jul 20, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Then don’t spam missiles lmao, play it like a T49

frail silo Jul 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Sheridan has the worst speed, dpm and profile. The missiles barely even work anymore since the curving angle sucks.

you can say it has a different playstyle, but it doesn’t even fill that role well anymore.

@minor minnow a t49 is small and fast, it can be sneaky. the Sheridan is huge and doesn’t have such speed.
@latent snow t49 is not even as fast as the sheri but whatever
sheri can play as a t49 and the gun handling is way better
besides, get gud
missiles are still VERY workable and very effective
sheri is still a pretty good tank

heavy galleon Jul 20, 2020, 9:02 PM

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I use the Sheri quite a bit and by no means does it need a buff

viscid blade Jul 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Sheri is a balanced tank if u take out the missiles, having them doesn’t make it op but a gud player will always make it broken

pastel cairn Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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^^^^

minor minnow Jul 20, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Equal if not lower mobility compared to other lights, a surprisingly accurate gun (imo) for what it is, low pen to compensate for alpha and handling. Honestly it does seem balanced with its own little perks (troll sides, essentially HE proof to people who aim CoM) and it has the ATGM’s to make it stand out. Personally I think it is balanced with the missile handling being nerfed by ~25% and the pen as well.

hearty steeple Jul 21, 2020, 2:26 AM

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I don't get why people complain about mobility of all things on the sheridan. It is still nearly as fast as the batchat, way faster than the vickers. It is a peek a boom tank with excellent camo and surprisingly good gun. Stop trying to go into dpm battles and you will succeed.

heavy galleon Jul 21, 2020, 3:30 AM

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^^^

twilit crystal Jul 21, 2020, 3:51 AM

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lol

thick rover Jul 21, 2020, 4:35 AM

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@jagged helm then it depends if someone wants troll or actual armour...?

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 7:52 AM

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TD turnrate may be change buffed to be adjusted to reversspeed factor and accelerate factor

latent snow Jul 21, 2020, 8:22 AM

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i complain about the mobilty of the sheridan because the thing is massive

neon linden Jul 21, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Sheridan has the worst speed, dpm and profile. The missiles barely even work anymore since the curving angle sucks.

you can say it has a different playstyle, but it doesn’t even fill that role well anymore.

@minor minnow a t49 is small and fast, it can be sneaky. the Sheridan is huge and doesn’t have such speed.
@latent snow lmao this dude hasn’t seen the actual profile of the tank

latent snow Jul 21, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Yeah yeah the spaced armor doesn’t cover the entire hit box doesn’t change the fact that it’s massive

frail silo Jul 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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dude it is not about the armor only
half of the things you stated are wrong
the tank is still fast not even the slowest light tank
missiles do work just get gud
and the spaced armor makes you HE proof
sheridan has camo too and excellent gun handling for that type of gun

vale sun Jul 21, 2020, 3:51 PM

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nerf dude is taking the piss

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obtuse sparrow Jul 21, 2020, 3:53 PM

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lol make it so sheridan has to re-reload if they switch shells.

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 3:59 PM

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@muted rampart you do mean 300-330mm thick effectively, right? If so at what angle?

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Some guns in the game should be buffed to balance preformance 😛 ,some tanks preform not well on the tier they are and some overpreform . If dpm buffs compensate low preformance and some bad preforming vehicules go to lower tier the balance is fixed again

dense walrus Jul 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@muted rampart that is the price you pay for having that extra armor on the Jumbo, if you want more DPM the e8 is your solution

compact nymph Jul 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Some guns in the game should be buffed to balance preformance 😛 ,some tanks preform not well on the tier they are and some overpreform . If dpm buffs compensate low preformance and some bad preforming vehicules go to lower tier the balance is fixed again
Yeah, put every single powercrept tank a tier lower so we get gaps in most tech tree lines... « remarkable idea »

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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We can see fv215b(183) have worst wr in tier 10 but its not getting any buff wg workers pls buff it!!!

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It deserves its place

compact nymph Jul 21, 2020, 4:24 PM

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^ @unique scaffold there will always be a tank with the lowest winrate at T10, and I find the 183 to be perfect for that spot.

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 4:28 PM

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@compact nymph ur words are bullshit look at #devs-answers channel

distant river Jul 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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It fully deserves that place as long as it has game breaking alpha @unique scaffold

stiff edge Jul 21, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Game breaking? I mean, it cant hit much so

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 4:39 PM

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@distant river wt* ur crying but look at wr table PLAYERS CANT PLAY İT

meager spruce Jul 21, 2020, 4:40 PM

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183 deserves to be living sh it

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I love 183 still, it isn't bad to me

regal grove Jul 21, 2020, 4:41 PM

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everyone prefers the 183 stays down there

distant river Jul 21, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Doesn't stop it from being broken when it does hit, it just makes it worse because skill has no part in it it's only luck @stiff edge

@unique scaffold It. Ruins. Every. Game. It's. In. It fully deserves to be as awful as it is, if not worse. If people can't play it then that's brilliant

lone warren Jul 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Having the largest caliber gun in the game can create obnoxious gameplay. Remember when every tier ten game had 4 deathstars? I don’t want that again.
Rightly so, the FV4005 did not receive the 183mm because the developers know how obnoxious that gun is, and that it would have likely faced the exact same issues as the deathstar if it received it.

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 4:51 PM

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U guys dont know how its like a playing 183

meager spruce Jul 21, 2020, 4:52 PM

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just don't play it. Use a tank other than your precious 183. Learn to play tanks other than it if you haven't already

compact nymph Jul 21, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@unique scaffold 183 relies on camping and passive gameplay to slam people for up to 1625 dmg. As long as it keeps it’s HESH it cannot be balanced, it will either be downright trash or blatantly overpowered. I do believe most people will prefer the former. Also, you said « players can’t play it ». Then it would suppose that it is a player issue not a tank one. Anyways, stop crying about the tank being so bad, it’s always nice to have some free damage (unless you’re a 183 player yourself, then just sell the tank and play better ones)

stiff edge Jul 21, 2020, 4:53 PM

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@distant river its the rng machine deathstar for a reason

sweet prism Jul 21, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Some tanks were created just for memes...
Only buff I would happily give to 183 is a few mm of armour to it's turret sides so that it can avoid HE from 150+mm guns...

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It's a hilariously fun credit burner getting them juicy HESH shells in, and ruining the game for the people I hit. I thrive on the suffering of my victims.

Anyways Ima be playing my Lowe for the Kranvagn grind, because the Lowe is fun too :D

And maybe IS-7 with my comrade, stomp poor pubs/grav enemies

muted rampart Jul 21, 2020, 5:06 PM

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i think fv 183 deserves the buff. i don t want it to be op and it s not true that with its alpha it can t be balanced. it should have deadly accuaracy but horrible gun handling and dispersion after shot. it also should have good camo while still but uselles one after shot. it also should have good backwards speed. if the tank would be like this it could fit it s role. i think this tank has the role of trap tank that punishes players which are pulling out without thinking

it has it s gun and hesh for some reason. it s thing that makes the tank what it is. it can t be removed. the dispersion while moving after shot etc. should be the worst in the game. even worse than on kw 2. aim time should be around 5.5 secs with all eq and dispersion 0.3-0.33. also cam after shot should be 0. it could have bad traverse speed but good turret traverse speed. also i think the tank should have worse engine power but better top speed backwards

compact nymph Jul 21, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@muted rampart in order to ever get such buffs it would first need to get it’s HESH shell removed, otherwise we’ll do nothing but jump several years ago and have four deathstars every single game

karmic steeple Jul 21, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Your suggestions would make it op

regal grove Jul 21, 2020, 5:11 PM

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it doesn't neeed a buff at all

then that means u can't aim bc after 300 battles i have no problem whatsoever @unique scaffold

reveal 183 stats @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 5:12 PM

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What about u shoot hesh and hit tracks 500 damage? What about meds flanking u and u watching 20 seconds? What about getting spot from 300m? What about getting cancer from at series? What about aim? U aim 5 seconds and it not hits target. Buff hesh (pen) or turret armour or aim. U guys didnt play a 183 so dont know what problems it have (same message deleted from nowhere ı waited 10 min more. I cant waste my time more) PLAY 183 THEN TALK @regal grove

full token Jul 21, 2020, 5:14 PM

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What about hitting with luck and doing half the hp of an enemy? What about now buffing that so that you can remove half the hp of an enemy with a single shot more often?

lone warren Jul 21, 2020, 5:15 PM

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The fact that you are suggesting a buff for HESH penetration tells me you lack some logic.
The point we are making is that the gun itself is awful for gameplay. By buffing aspects of the tank, you risk reverting to deathstar spam all over again.

The camo was nerfed because no one likes getting hit for 1000+ by a tank that they could not spot.
As for the accuracy, relative to the caliber of the gun, it isn’t even bad, but it was too good pre-nerf.

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Please don't buff HESH, run CS to get at some irresponsible enemy heavies and some meds. The HESH already shouldn't be able do penetrate so much

meager spruce Jul 21, 2020, 5:19 PM

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So basically you are saying 183 doesn't do its job, correct? Well let me tell you something. The entire light class in this game does not do the job they are supposed to do either. So if we buff the 183 for that reason (that it doesn't function as it is supposed to), should we buff the entire light class too? I mean lights are supposed to be used for getting spotting assistance but in wotb they act more like mediums- fast tanks that focus on shooting their gun instead of spotting as they just don't have viable positioning - which is another common issue the 183 has: no good positions in which you will not get spotted in. So in short your argument is one of the dumbest....

muted rampart Jul 21, 2020, 5:20 PM

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like i said. only way to rebalance fv 183 is to buff it s accuaracy but nerf the gun dispersion after move, shot etc. and make it a trap tank that is sitting at the back and punishing players that are pulling out without thinking, but always getting spotted after shot to make people think ehile playing it to not get rekt after one single shot. and remove it from tech tree as fast as it s possible what will prevent people from spamming it. at start it will be no difference but after a few months it will be really rare on random battles. if there is not a tank that can be there for 183 in line with at, turn all this line into collectibles

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 5:22 PM

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@full token there is more (-) than (+) @muted rampart ur right

remote oriole Jul 21, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Why do you want to punish people in a game? I never understood this sentiment of forcing people into a certain way by punishing them if they do it differently. I mean, if you yolo you will get ‘punished’ in a way anyways because you will die rather sooner than later, but why would anyone want a tank that is specifically made for punishing and not something that actually adds something to the gameplay?

regal grove Jul 21, 2020, 5:25 PM

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anyone who thinks that 183 needs a buff really needs to think why it's in the game like that

meager spruce Jul 21, 2020, 5:29 PM

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@remote oriole because they carry the mindset that is they want to have fun while ruining other peoples experience. The same mindset is carried by sealclubbers, Kv2 drivers etc. Its basically wanting to get joy on others backs

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Same concept for my Lowe though, I shoot the enemy because I can damage them o-o

muted rampart Jul 21, 2020, 5:35 PM

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fv 183 needs to be changed and everyone knows it. if it s going to be changed like i said it ll at least make some battle longer because nobodoy will want to rush alone because he won t know if there isn t a 183 aimed right there with hesh and it won t make it op. i also recommend removing it from tech tree because if it s one per team its good but if it s more it s getting toxic

distant river Jul 21, 2020, 5:39 PM

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@stiff edge And that's the reason it ruins tier 10

It needs to be changed, but for any buffs to be given it needs to lose its cheap HESH and prammo HESH otherwise nothing can happen at all

stiff edge Jul 21, 2020, 5:40 PM

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it doesnt need to be changed at all lol

lone warren Jul 21, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Removing it from the tech tree is not a realistic solution. Many people already own the tank or have the means to get it, and if it was getting removed, there would be a scramble to get it before it’s gone.
Tank would probably be sold back to us anyway

remote oriole Jul 21, 2020, 5:49 PM

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No, it does not need a change. Just pretend as though it isn’t there if you don’t like it. In it’s current state it doesn’t harm the game and that’s better than anything we had before

With the camouflage it has at the moment camping is very difficult in it. I don’t think it encourages it at all. If anything, it impacts the chance of winning of the team it fights with negatively because it’s slow, badly armoured and extremely inaccurate

distant river Jul 21, 2020, 5:52 PM

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It does need a change because it still encourages camping and ruins any hope of agression, all while severely impacting your chances of winning. It isn't horrible how it is but it isn't balanced by any means, and it can't be balanced with 1300 alpha

remote oriole Jul 21, 2020, 6:03 PM

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It isn’t balanced, there is no question about that. But a tank with these characteristics can’t be balanced, so I rather have it underpowered than overpowered, which is why it’s exactly where it should be

distant river Jul 21, 2020, 6:07 PM

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It can be balanced if it didn't have HESH and HE though, that's the thing. Then you can nerf the shell velocity a bit, buff the camo and accuracy a bit and give it slightly better armour and prammo doing with marginally more pen

coarse harness Jul 21, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Why would you remove it's HE ? lol
You'd do the same with the JG E-100 too ?

The tank needs rework
I said it many times...
Decrease the HESH alpha to an average ≈1100
Then give it a bit better power/weigh ratio because it's sluggish as hell

muted rampart Jul 21, 2020, 6:50 PM

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@distant river the hesh is what makes this tank what it is. i don t see any other solution. if it won t have hesh it will be just worse jgpz e100 if you want to remove hesh with some other changes i d rather leave this as it is

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Jags HE doesn't pen 220/242 tho

Does HE not work mechanically the same as HESH in Blitz?

distant river Jul 21, 2020, 6:55 PM

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@coarse harness The Jag e100 needs a HE damage nerf too imo so yes

@muted rampart It has a turret as well as higher AP alpha and pen, and leaving it as worse than the Jag E100 is perfectly fine. The HESH is precisely what ruins the game for everyone.

coarse harness Jul 21, 2020, 7:01 PM

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@nimble zodiac nor 183 HE
HE ≠ HESH
It doesn't have the same pen
The HE pen on the 183 is 93/101

@distant river the Jag E100 HE is on par with most TD HE
150% of the AP dmg
Idk what's your problem with it

muted rampart Jul 21, 2020, 7:02 PM

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@distant river hesh aren t breaking the game. hesh has less pen than any ap shell on any tank at t10 and you can t frontaly pen most of t10 heavies and turrets of most of mediums at t10 you have awful accuaracy as well. if you won t rush centrally at place where deathstar is aiming you probably won t get hit. the las time when i got hit by deathstar with hesh was maybe a 2 months ago, and i m playing a lot at t 9-10

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@coarse harness my point is that Jag doesn't get to do 1200 damage remotely as often as 183, since Jag doesn't have its own HESH

full token Jul 21, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@muted rampart It’s 10mm less pen than what the Sheridan has. 220 isn’t too low either. Tanks can have 240+. With CS you get 242mm of pen. It’s not even that low. You can pen the sides of any tank, and the front of a lot of them. And that also does 1.3k damage on avg. No one is saying the tank is OP. It’s just broken with that much HESH damage. Doesn’t suffer much in penetration either

muted rampart Jul 21, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@full token but this tank is all about hesh. this is what makes this tank unique and hesh should stay as it is

coarse harness Jul 21, 2020, 7:20 PM

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No
HESH should do less damage just like on the Conway

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 7:20 PM

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WELl tHe SmasheR gets a 152mm wITH hEAt AND a turret IN tIer 7 anD thAT mAkeS IT UNiQUE so it sHOULd sTay thAT waY

Disclaimer: I'm not annoyed at Smashers, not hard to handle

No, don't buff it at all, I love it just the way it is

minor minnow Jul 21, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Y’all are actually arguing about the 183? It’s underpowered for a reason: it carries the biggest gun in blitz with a 1300 avg HESH shell. It shouldn’t be buffed at all, aside from a very mild accuracy buff

tired flint Jul 21, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I actually think smasher should have, an anti preferential mm, like, it can't be top tier. It still should hold the tank back, because, it is really op.

vale sun Jul 21, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Maybe make it so you have to reload the entire gun to switch ammotype, which helps balance it on PC
In my opinion it's just annoying right now. I think it would be funny if the gun arc was limited to 20/20 to make poking corners with deathstar harder, though it's fine as it is balance wise
People who want the deathstar buffed just can't get their head around the fact that sitting at the back doesn't give very good results anymore

distant river Jul 21, 2020, 7:59 PM

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@coarse harness 1200 alpha is my problem, it's pretty self explanatory

@muted rampart 1300 alpha is unbalancable no matter what. If you need an explanation for that then you have probably never looked in this channel before and if you can't work it out for yourself...

jagged crescent Jul 21, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I think the 183’s fine as it is. Maybe an upper front plate buff but that’s it

drowsy idol Jul 21, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Just give it a reticle calibration and mark it as collector

real bison Jul 21, 2020, 10:20 PM

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then what would replace it at tier X? The Badger? The tank that was sold in crates?

tired flint Jul 21, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Fv4005 stage 2?

nimble zodiac Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Make a fake tank of their own :D

lunar niche Jul 21, 2020, 10:27 PM

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I don't see any reason for a 183 buff. It still does its job of taking away massive HP with a single hit.

It couldn't win games on its own back before the nerf and it still cannot now. It still has that fear factor which seemingly stops a push.

unique scaffold Jul 21, 2020, 10:30 PM

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its not one of those tanks you play because its good, you play it for fun and to see them high rolls on your hesh. a little buff would be nice but currently its fine as it is. i think it should be made a collector and have the badger or another tank take its place as it doesnt match the play style of the AT line before it.

full token Jul 21, 2020, 10:35 PM

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If only WG didn’t put a tank that could’ve fit so well into a tech tree line as a crate tank... Not even a very good collector tank

minor minnow Jul 22, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Fv4005 stage 2?
@tired flint that’s technically what the 4005 is in game rn. I’d like to see the Stage 1 implemented if the 183 were to ever be replaced

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vale sun Jul 22, 2020, 2:21 AM

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183
reticle calibration
Are you daft? lmao

unique scaffold Jul 22, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Might wanna write this down as a reminder don’t take suggestions seriously from balance discussion nor any other channel

winged barn Jul 22, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Nerf smasher?

drowsy idol Jul 22, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Nah man he just said

Might wanna write this down as a reminder don’t take suggestions seriously from balance discussion nor any other channel

winged barn Jul 22, 2020, 3:43 AM

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cries

keen dagger Jul 22, 2020, 5:34 AM

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o?

tawny river Jul 22, 2020, 7:17 AM

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It's a game it's not real life, suggestions on where to hit a tank is ok if the device the graphics etc allows you to. I've hit a WT side on in a faster reloading and yet it destroyed me because it reloaded faster than mine. So buyer beware

turbid smelt Jul 22, 2020, 8:38 AM

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minor acceleration buff for 183 can do fine

compact nymph Jul 22, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Removing it from the game can be fine too

compact nymph Jul 22, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I mean if the Badger is already a collector then just keep the other tanks, remove the 183 and replace it by a Tortoise with 460 alpha and some spaced armor slapped at the front

thick rover Jul 22, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Aahahahaha

full token Jul 22, 2020, 10:28 AM

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Make a time machine, go back in time, stop the people that said OK to making the Badger a collector tank, and then add Badger as the tier X and make 183 a collector or remove it entirely

sly mauve Jul 22, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Buff the jageruuu

muted rampart Jul 22, 2020, 4:57 PM

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nah @sly mauve

coarse dawn Jul 22, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Kranvagn should be an autoloader not an autoreloader because it is just too OP

Edit: Dpm isn't really a balancing factor for autoreloaders since you can choose whether to fire all shells or not

still jackal Jul 22, 2020, 5:23 PM

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well it has one of the worst dpms in tier 10. If you don't have dpm you can't easily be classified as OP

minor minnow Jul 22, 2020, 5:24 PM

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All autoreloaders have low dpm, so?

Edit: most

meager spruce Jul 22, 2020, 5:27 PM

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@minor minnow not all autoloaders have low dpm

plush perch Jul 22, 2020, 5:48 PM

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It depends on how many shells they have ready

unique scaffold Jul 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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The 252u could use a shell capacity buff

minor minnow Jul 22, 2020, 7:01 PM

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It’s op enough

compact nymph Jul 22, 2020, 7:01 PM

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The 252u is fine as it is.

muted rampart Jul 22, 2020, 7:56 PM

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i think all japanese med line besides t10 needs buff, the same thing with all vk 72 01 line besides tier 1-7 and 9

dense walrus Jul 22, 2020, 8:07 PM

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@muted rampart t5-7 Japanese meds are getting buffed in 7.2

acoustic shard Jul 22, 2020, 8:11 PM

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The Fv4005 Needs some armor It's just so lightly armored. And it wouldn't be to bad if the tank was smaller But the thing IS MASSIVE. I think it should have spaced armor like the Sheridan on the front and side's of the turret or even a gun mantle like the conway would help. unlike the other tier 10 auto loaders you have no armor at all no help you survive during your long reloads which make's the tank super vulnerable. Not to mention your being hit with HE shells not ap. Even with the minus Damage HE consumable your still getting hit consistently with Higher alpha shells then most the other same tier auto loaders.

compact nymph Jul 22, 2020, 8:14 PM

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The 4005 is tough to play yet yet it’s not a bad tank. You have a very good gun, good speed, a turret, good gun dep, consumables and provisions reducing the damage taken from HE.

acoustic shard Jul 22, 2020, 8:28 PM

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The Consumable would be useful only if everyone couldn't pen you with HE like with the Conway. It come's in handy for that small chance that someone gets around to your rear and gets one in. But with the t10 HE is all that's shot at you. Armor is needed to reduce the chances of a pen to certain places like having spaced every were but the rear of your turret or a semi armored mantle to protect your turret front.

compact nymph Jul 22, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Or maybe just stop trying to play the FV 4005 like a heavy. Requesting armor buffs on paper tanks is not how balance works

dense walrus Jul 22, 2020, 8:36 PM

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@acoustic shard I don’t think you quite understand that the spall liner is a must. Also, stop getting hit

distant river Jul 22, 2020, 8:39 PM

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The only armour buff you could possibly notice to the 4005 is a buff from the paper it is now until it is bouncy to med standard ammo, which would probably be at least 15 times the armour it has now. HE does the same damage as AP so it doesn't matter if it's impenetrable to HE or not.

nimble zodiac Jul 22, 2020, 9:06 PM

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The only buff I'd want on FV4005 is more gun elevation

Literally 8 degrees, less than its own gun depression

regal grove Jul 22, 2020, 10:40 PM

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look's like someone hasn't watched HisRoyalFatness
if you take comp away, there's basically no problem with the tank at all

acoustic shard Jul 22, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Not enough Armor to make It bounce It will be like the sheridan @distant river
Spaced armor only thick enough the absorbe HE That on the Frint and side's of the turret would be great.

distant river Jul 22, 2020, 10:47 PM

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It never had spaced armour, and you literally don't need to worry about HE because the spall liner makes it useless...

regal grove Jul 22, 2020, 10:52 PM

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imagine wanting an armor buff on a tank that already has spall liner just don't get hit then 4head

acoustic shard Jul 22, 2020, 11:00 PM

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"Just don't get hit" is suggesting every game you will have a perfect game were the enemy never get to you, or your never spotted at all in the game. The liner simply reduces the damage taken from HE. Most 152 TD's do 640 AP and 960 HE Other t10 outo loaders might take the 640 while you take around 740 because of the HE. Your still taking MORE damage not to mention your a Bigger target.

remote oriole Jul 22, 2020, 11:05 PM

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You will take 768 damage on average from HE that normally deals 960 if you have the spall liner installed

regal grove Jul 22, 2020, 11:06 PM

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r we gonna talk about the grille 15 first
other than being bigger 4005 still (for some reason) has better camo, dpm, small liner against HE, faster (and has boost)
1300 burst in a potential what 4-5 second clip? it has gigantic potential it's just hard to play

nimble zodiac Jul 22, 2020, 11:17 PM

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6s clipoff - 1380

distant river Jul 22, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Or 4.2 clip with consumable which is better than any other tank

nimble zodiac Jul 22, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Leopard: Cries

little quarry Jul 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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@muted rampart t5-7 Japanese meds are getting buffed in 7.2
@dense walrus Really? I'm excited for it, cant wait-

Probably looking forward playing Chi-Ri again like old times sake

dense walrus Jul 23, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Yes, mobility and gun handling buffs

jagged crescent Jul 23, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Wait where did you find the info
@dense walrus

dense walrus Jul 23, 2020, 1:35 AM

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@jagged crescent 7.2 open test

frigid gazelle Jul 23, 2020, 2:36 AM

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@dense walrus can you dm me screenshots of that?

jagged crescent Jul 23, 2020, 3:08 AM

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^

unique scaffold Jul 23, 2020, 5:22 AM

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The t49 should need a buff on pen, after this buffs on the heavies, lights, etc. It kinda been powercreeped by a lot of tanks recently which makes the t49 much more less to play than any other tanks now

minor minnow Jul 23, 2020, 5:23 AM

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That or mild on the move accuracy buffs, but I can see uses for both.

plush perch Jul 23, 2020, 5:35 AM

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T49 deserver it is place rather than derping all other light tanks

compact nymph Jul 23, 2020, 6:46 AM

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@unique scaffold The T49 is fine. The pen is low? Shoot HE if needed. People play the T49 because it has a 15cm, and they seem to forget as soon as their see red on an enemy tank that their 15cm gun also has HE shells. Also, the T49 is supposedly played « for fun ». Not for it’s efficiency. Edit: forgot to mention people seem to be doing fine, the T49 is the fourth most played tank over the past 90 days. Second edit: if you want credits then you shouldn’t play the T49 at all but rather sell it

unique scaffold Jul 23, 2020, 6:50 AM

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@compact nymph ur talking to a f2w who has little amount of money, as if I will keep on spamming he

tulip imp Jul 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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@unique scaffold I grinded fv183 line with a f2p alt account, just buy a tier 4-5 tech tree tank and farm credits w it. When you have 50k credits then you can play t49 again no problem. Rinse and repeat

unique scaffold Jul 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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@tulip imp but thats unecofficent, especially im still grinding other tech tree

little quarry Jul 23, 2020, 9:28 AM

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I think T49 would be efficient if it plays the 90mm instead of 152mm one, despite all of minuses on this tank (size, armor, cred coefficient etc.)

Using 90mm not always punishing the tank unlike with 152mm (long reload time, less pens, horrible gun handling etc.)

The T49 with 90mm are similar to prem leKpz M41 Bulldog 90mm, some sort of alternatives if you dont have that prem tank. Hope that helps people around here who are clueless about it..

gleaming apexBOT Jul 23, 2020, 9:35 AM

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dynoSuccess get_spookd#1615 has been warned.

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dynoSuccess Chlepek#6424 has been warned.

muted rampart Jul 23, 2020, 10:06 AM

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?

remote oriole Jul 23, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Yeah, the 90mm is a good alternative, although a bit of a less-than-average one. The Ru 251 is really the better choice if you want to play 90mm lights since the accuracy is more or less the same, but the Ru shoots faster and also has a lower profile. Regardless, the 90mm on the T49 is a viable option and you can be quite successful in it, and it may even be a better choice than the derp for you if you struggle with derp guns

distant river Jul 23, 2020, 10:16 AM

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If you are playing the T49 you might as well use the 152 otherwise you are just playing a worse RU251, it isn't bad it's just not necessary at all.

unique scaffold Jul 23, 2020, 10:16 AM

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If I see somebody running the 90mm on a T49 it is a pretty sure bet that they don't know what they are doing

compact nymph Jul 23, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Agreed, T49 with the 90mm is nothing but a worse Ru251

turbid smelt Jul 23, 2020, 3:01 PM

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^
that still sounds insulting to Ru 251

nimble zodiac Jul 23, 2020, 3:05 PM

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And, then, we, have, CDC

full token Jul 23, 2020, 3:10 PM

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What are those commas

jagged crescent Jul 23, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Dramatic effect

sand sky Jul 23, 2020, 3:50 PM

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BUFF Caernarvon Action X and give it 105mm with same DPM

unique scaffold Jul 23, 2020, 3:51 PM

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you're trolling

jagged crescent Jul 23, 2020, 3:56 PM

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It’s a very unconvincing troll

sudden granite Jul 23, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Then give mah t22 extra armor, speed and dpm, buff my smasher’s garbage heat pen and aim and finally give my wz120 more gundepression, way better upper plate and dpm pls

gloomy umbra Jul 23, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I have an idea for people complaining about ATGMs. You could add Smoke or flare systems like smokes In World of Warships to counter ATGMs and to be evasive in the open area, but make it balance-worthy because it would be too much op if the smoke would stay longer like in WoW but its up to you if how fun would it be in simulation. I would personally prefer to add them in Scertain and specific tank roles like Tds or mediums. Or another way is to put them in provisions, or equipments, or ammos, in some specific tanks. One fact is that in real life, tanks with smoke capsules on the side-turrets are functional in WWll, so that could be revolutionary to the game if it works, just to balance what people are complaining about Power creeps on various and old tanks, but also a counter to ATGMs. Now The balance is up to you. How fun it would be to players and the balancing things because Im not expert in that, but What I would prefer is to either bring back the pre-balance ATGM stats and make the smokes or flare systems in par with the ATGMs or make the Smokes or flares short-duration timed before fading away and very long reload. Must be used once or twice during the game. I Think that’s it. Kudos!

remote oriole Jul 23, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Missiles are no longer a problem

vale sun Jul 23, 2020, 5:51 PM

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They're still a crappy game mechanic :/

crisp elm Jul 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Buff obj 140?

nimble zodiac Jul 23, 2020, 6:26 PM

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ATGMs are only really annoying in Gravity Mode now

sand sky Jul 23, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Gib Kpfpz 70 ATGM

dim field Jul 23, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Don't give Kpfp an atgm. Buff the lowest roll to 500 and all is well

ionic ivy Jul 23, 2020, 7:22 PM

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r we gonna talk about the grille 15 first
other than being bigger 4005 still (for some reason) has better camo, dpm, small liner against HE, faster (and has boost)
1300 burst in a potential what 4-5 second clip? it has gigantic potential it's just hard to play
@regal grove Don't forget, 4005 also has a fully traversable turret as well as the new consumables

O? But it's still loads better than grille turret
And probably not given how long the gun is

nimble zodiac Jul 23, 2020, 7:24 PM

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@ionic ivy mistaken, it’s a 180 degree turret

dim field Jul 23, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Did the grille have a fully traversable turret irl?

compact nymph Jul 23, 2020, 7:25 PM

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It was never built so 🤷‍♂️ . Might have gotten one tho

north nimbus Jul 23, 2020, 8:15 PM

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make the Ferdianand and Tiger P have their real life reverse speed of 30 kph, that would be cool you don't need to do this but it would be great

nimble zodiac Jul 23, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Oh gosh why

sand sky Jul 23, 2020, 8:33 PM

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WG devs pls make IS Tech Tree like to IS-7 split from IS-3 so we have option to grind Object 257 or IS-8 (T-10) to grind IS-7

compact nymph Jul 23, 2020, 8:53 PM

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@sand sky A split in a tech tree just for a single more T8 tank is kind of irrelevant. Just play the IS-8 lol. If they were to add a single tank (not a whole tech tree line) it would likely be a premium, possibly in crates

north nimbus Jul 23, 2020, 8:57 PM

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@nimble zodiac because thats what they are like irl lol i think anyway...

craggy kayak Jul 24, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Kranvagn with this speed forward 😂 😅

Rip

📎 Screenshot_20200724-021446.jpg

unique scaffold Jul 24, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Buff FV4202 and M48 also M60 Turret Armor
Buff Grille camo
Buff Deathstar camo
Buff E4 Cupola

Change my mind

sand sky Jul 24, 2020, 1:16 AM

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WTF Lupus has 12° of Gun Depression

remote oriole Jul 24, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Both the Grille 15 and the M48 just got buffed so let's hold onto that before taking further steps,

buffing the FV215b (183)'s camo just restarts the same toxic playstyle that got it nerfed in the first place so you essentially propose a one step forward, two backwards manner of balancing

the rest are fairly average tanks, some with special features like the HESH of the FV4202 and I see no reason to initiate a powercreep by buffing perfectly average tanks

unique scaffold Jul 24, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Grille got only DPM buff camo still sucks
M48 buff also useless

183 worst T10 at the moment, don't give him op camo but he definitly needs some

Yeah average tanks but all others are better so they are bad not average

remote oriole Jul 24, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Camouflage is a very sensitive statistic because it can make and break a lot of positions in the game. If you give tanks like the 183 (which can deal massive damage with one shot) or the Grille (which has just about the perfect reload to abuse view mechanics) good camouflage you can break the entire game by allowing these tanks to effectively enforce a camping meta. Just to illustrate how toxic this meta can be to the game, artillery was added and kept in WoT PC just to counteract camping (they now realised that it actually encouraged camping and tried to make it more of a support class).

The Grille 15 is a tank that relies on competent play more than anything else, and with good positioning using the okish mobility the actual strength of this tank is revealed, which is high dpm and highish alpha applied in a similar manner to that of the WZ-121 thanks to the short aimtime and good accuracy.

The FV215b (183) is just straight out broken thanks to its alpha and you have to trade the ability to carry many situations for that alpha, plain and simple. I see no reason to buff it, especially not a buff that reestablishes its ruining of games through camping

They are close enough to average, especially if you look at #devs-answers . And there is no way around it; if there are no bad tanks there are no good tanks either. If you buff average or bad tanks doesn't matter, if you don't nerf good tanks you will end up power-creeping. And completely aside from that, the tanks are good enough to still make them work, they are by no means that bad that they need any meaningful buffs

still jackal Jul 24, 2020, 2:14 AM

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What do you guys think of the T25/2? One of the most underrated and forgotten tanks in the game but yet still is quite enjoyable and fun to play

near fox Jul 24, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Slight penetration buff and/or speed buff, and it would be epic

little quarry Jul 24, 2020, 2:35 AM

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It has turret, T25 AT along in US TD line doesnt have one, so that is one advantage

drowsy idol Jul 24, 2020, 2:42 AM

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well you could buff the camo but nerf the dispersion

near fox Jul 24, 2020, 2:50 AM

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tbh I used it as a slow medium and support MT/LT flank most of the time

sand sky Jul 24, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Pls Buff Kpfpz 70 APCR penetration from 240mm to 250mm & HEAT penetration from 305mm to 340mm. Pls give the Kpfpz 70 it's much deserved full 152mm Alpha. Also pls buff Engine Horsepower from 700hp to 1000hp because the mobility is barely above average.

unique scaffold Jul 24, 2020, 4:02 AM

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At that point why not just get the E75 over it

little quarry Jul 24, 2020, 4:11 AM

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^

winged barn Jul 24, 2020, 4:12 AM

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I hate when people take an actually balanced tanks and scream BUFF! BUFF! BUFF!

jagged crescent Jul 24, 2020, 4:25 AM

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It’s a lil under balanced whenever I play against one.
Although to be fair, I run the e75 so bullying KPF’s is pretty easy.

One tank that I think needs an armor buff tho is the WZ 111 1-4. Mostly because the bottom plate is 80mm (110 effective) and unlike what the paper stats say, there is no side area on the tank that actually has a nominal thickness of 120mm

odd tendon Jul 24, 2020, 5:30 AM

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people actually think the m48 "buff" meant something? M48 needs a drastic gun handling buff to make it playable. The bloom is awful, can't snapshot at all

viral needle Jul 24, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Pz.II J is gonna be OP in 7.2, side armor nerf is pointless cause with pen buff it can afford to go front on

gaunt coyote Jul 24, 2020, 8:13 AM

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It’s a lil under balanced whenever I play against one.
Although to be fair, I run the e75 so bullying KPF’s is pretty easy.

One tank that I think needs an armor buff tho is the WZ 111 1-4. Mostly because the bottom plate is 80mm (110 effective) and unlike what the paper stats say, there is no side area on the tank that actually has a nominal thickness of 120mm
@jagged crescent how about Conqueror and FV215B that have 75mm lower plate armour
ps. Conq turret is a sponge😂

viral needle Jul 24, 2020, 9:47 AM

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to balance out the pen buff, that's why

viral needle Jul 24, 2020, 11:18 AM

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at least it can pen an angled tetrarch now

nimble zodiac Jul 24, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Yay they're nerfing Matilda

@real bison they are gonna
And ARL has weakspots in the track, shoot it directly and you got yourself some damage

@plush perch aw hell nah it does 80 damage in 3.3s with that armor? N e r f

real bison Jul 24, 2020, 2:18 PM

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shoulda nerfed B1

Keep distance, load prammo. In any case, the ARL deserves a nerf.

@mental pasture it’s the fact that it needs near no skill to play. In tourneys, teams that spam it often win, as they don’t need to actually aim for weak spots due to 212mm of pen. Meanwhile, other tanks have to load prammo and aim carefully to not hit the mantlet.

plush perch Jul 24, 2020, 2:19 PM

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matilda was fine

mental pasture Jul 24, 2020, 2:22 PM

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I don't think ARL deserve a nerf, if you are struggling to pen the front hull armor even with prammo, so try to flank it or shot the weak parts on the turret@real bison

Play as TD is a good way to pen it too, SU-100Y makes it looks like butter

plush perch Jul 24, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Arl deserves a nerf , the gun is freaking powerfull , it has decent speed , decent armor , only su 100y can pen it without prammo , while others cant even pen it with pramo. @jagged crescent to keep spamming prammo

stiff edge Jul 24, 2020, 3:37 PM

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su100y's prammo has less penetration than its standard 🤔

jagged crescent Jul 24, 2020, 3:38 PM

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why. Better alpha on the pramo?

karmic steeple Jul 24, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Yes

nimble zodiac Jul 24, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Which is good because it works fine without standard, regardless, around 80mm track weakspots, weak sides, and an only solid turret doesn't make it OP in armor like you claim it seems

odd tendon Jul 24, 2020, 3:57 PM

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^I found the sealclubber

nimble zodiac Jul 24, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Ah yes you caught me, but in the wrong tank!

I use TOG II*

remote oriole Jul 24, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Now that is actually disgusting. Do you never feel sorry for your victims?

minor minnow Jul 24, 2020, 4:37 PM

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A man of culture I see

jagged crescent Jul 24, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I want a buff on the WZ 111 1-4’s armor. The paper stats indicate 120mm of thickness but there’s no where on the tank’s sides that even go over 80

minor minnow Jul 24, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Where are you getting that info might I ask?

muted rampart Jul 24, 2020, 7:14 PM

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@minor minnow from blitz hangar site

winged barn Jul 24, 2020, 7:34 PM

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They are buffing the AX's ammo capacity... just what the AX needs, buffs.

If it wont change anything, then why are they buffing it?

The is4 was problematic with its shell capacity. Was not uncommon for me to run out of one of the shell types

muted rampart Jul 24, 2020, 7:35 PM

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@winged barn it won t change nearly anything so idc

nocturne mauve Jul 24, 2020, 7:35 PM

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It’s broken

nimble zodiac Jul 24, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I don’t see anyone complaining about IS-4 having more shells ;)
@remote oriole and for AX, if they don’t sell it again, it would be reasonable they can nerf it back so nobody had bought it trusting the shell capacity would stay high. But then again 😭

Why won’t they buff the Gravedigger’s ammo capacity ;-;

@full token the point was probably a case of running out of a shell type, like getting unlucky and running out of HE, and it’s needed for that kill before they get you, now you can load more without sacrificing another shell type

remote oriole Jul 24, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Because they will nerf the IS-4 when they see fit, but not a premium like the Action X

latent snow Jul 24, 2020, 7:39 PM

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All I know is the is4 is going to be a bigger pain to go against since it’s going to be able to load more of it’s broken prammo

full token Jul 24, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Having more shells doesn’t make the tank better really. It performs the same. This would only allow the players to fire more shots without needing to be careful about not running out of shells. Not many tanks really have an issue with the shell capacity, so it doesn’t matter much for me

muted rampart Jul 24, 2020, 7:45 PM

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@full token +1

remote oriole Jul 24, 2020, 7:51 PM

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To be honest I am strictly against balancing tanks with a low shell capacity, so i welcome the move

winged barn Jul 24, 2020, 7:53 PM

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The 215b(not 183) really needed the ammo buff. Now if only the type 59 and m4 fl10 got one as well

wheat spear Jul 24, 2020, 8:08 PM

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T29 needs a nerf. It goes too fast for a heavy, with the right consumables and provisions

pastel cairn Jul 24, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Then it doesn’t need a nerf if you’re complaining about the consumables, if it was too fast stock however then that might be an issue. But it’s supposed to be a hull down heavy not played like a medium. The speed is just to get you to position quickly.

coarse harness Jul 24, 2020, 8:34 PM

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The T29 was among the best T7 hevies then WG gave it more frontal armor and consumables for no freaking reason

compact nymph Jul 24, 2020, 8:35 PM

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« Let’s give it consumables and more frontal armor than the T34 while being a tier lower, what could go wrong? » -WG

lone warren Jul 24, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Kind of like how the E3 got the special consumables even though it was completely fine how it was already

remote oriole Jul 24, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Sometimes, when I lose my faith reading the balance patch notes, I get out my tinfoil hat and read the description of the "Tank Balancing Tool" until I feel better

low flint Jul 24, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Ehhh nice and the earth is flat yeah?

nocturne mauve Jul 24, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Can progetto 65 be buffed, that gun is horrible

remote oriole Jul 24, 2020, 9:34 PM

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No, because the autoreloader is too strong because they went for the easy mode implementation. And yes, I'm still salty about that

minor minnow Jul 24, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Oop

distant river Jul 24, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I just got the prog and I'm loving it so far, gun feels nice to me but held back by the dpm like it should be

full token Jul 24, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Progetto is still very fun for me, despite all those nerfs they’ve given it

north nimbus Jul 24, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Remove the type 58, or make it the same as t-34-85, it has to be by far the worse tier 6 medium. Gun is horrifically bad, yeah cause I loooove 128mm of pen with the accuracy of a musket mixed with the reload time of the schwer Gustav. Sorry if I’m coming off as extremely harsh, but why is it even in the game, genuinely, it has caused so much annoyance just trying to get the is2, mind you another bad tank. I would heavily consider buffing the type 58 if I were one of you. Edit: it’s a 85mm gun too, all the more reason to call it bad

minor minnow Jul 24, 2020, 11:36 PM

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They should have buffed the armor on the IS-2 with all the other heavies, low tier China just can’t compete

north nimbus Jul 24, 2020, 11:45 PM

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@minor minnow also they should give the is2 and the wz110 a horse power buff, 580 doesn’t cut it for a 40+ ton tank. And at least I can make do with the is2 (I hope) it has good pen and good damage, type 58 is just a joke it has absolutely nothing going for it, oo maybe 200 average damage ( which it does under 200 80% of the time) honestly I’m going to give up on the Chinese heavy tank line and go back for the Td’s. I probably look like such a brat cause I’m that mad lol

minor minnow Jul 24, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Nah man you really aren’t, I got a friend who just finished the 113 line and he hated every single one except for the 111-4

north nimbus Jul 24, 2020, 11:55 PM

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@minor minnow good cause i quit chinese heavys and i'm back on the tier 8 TD now. Mind you i haven't even gotten the IS-2 yet. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they re-made the whole Chinese heavy tank line. Also yeah they sould buff luchs traverse speed

winged barn Jul 24, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Oof, I loved the line, except for the pure trash is2.

void wren Jul 25, 2020, 12:02 AM

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WG can you pls buff WZ 120 gun depression to like 5, 3 is unplayable my WR dropped like hell playing the WZ 120 ( i gained it back playing the WZ 121)

minor minnow Jul 25, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Why are you complaining about a tank you don’t have to play 🤔 just seems out of the normal player style

jagged crescent Jul 25, 2020, 12:48 AM

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@minor minnow Armor inspector on mobile. Look at the general information then look at the side armor profile

queen stag Jul 25, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Buff T-34-3 Penetration at least to 200 ?, or the rate of fire since it got a horribly bad DPM and penetration

winged barn Jul 25, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Don't touch my t343. I love my accurate derping

pastel cairn Jul 25, 2020, 2:53 AM

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^^^

jagged crescent Jul 25, 2020, 3:14 AM

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^^^

regal grove Jul 25, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Chimera exists so T-34-3 needs something
maybe rof buff

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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yes but Chimera wasn't and event tank, T-34-3 was (idk if it went back on sale after that event but uhhh thats just what i think) If it can't make up in pen the least it could do is have a semi fast reload

zealous arrow Jul 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Why not buff the trash tanks (T28 prot) before buffing Decent/average tanks.

stiff edge Jul 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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there has to be bad tanks
t28 prot may be one of them

regal grove Jul 25, 2020, 3:35 AM

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unfortunately it don't vibe like that in the balancing department

jagged crescent Jul 25, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Tiger II moment

verbal thistle Jul 25, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Why not buff the trash tanks (T28 prot) before buffing Decent/average tanks.
@zealous arrow bruh T28 prot is a nice tank except for its mobility. But apart from that it doesn't need buff . It can have an HP buff though.

quartz crown Jul 25, 2020, 10:14 AM

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it has scout side armor @verbal thistle it has a front thats heat penned, it does 20kph. it fights tanks with nearly twice its hp. u n l u c k y

verbal thistle Jul 25, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Depression will help it though because it has a solid gun

coarse harness Jul 25, 2020, 10:40 AM

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You don't even need prammo for it's cheeks lol
But at least it has a turret

turbid smelt Jul 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

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inline speed buff would really help it

lone warren Jul 25, 2020, 11:45 AM

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A lot of tank destroyers that are psuedo-heavies have suffered a bit from the heavy HP changes.
Its odd that both T28s still only sits at 1150 HP pool as its base, when other tank destroyers that are also heavy oriented, like the Ferdinand and AT-15, are sitting at 1400 and 1450 respectively.
They shouldn’t have the HP pool you expect to see on a glass cannon like the Rhm, especially since heavy tanks now pack 600 - 900 more HP than them.

At least other TDs with a low HP pool have the mobility to avoid confrontation with a heavy.

karmic steeple Jul 25, 2020, 12:11 PM

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There’s a difference between there being tanks being worse than others because every tank can’t be the same and the active neglect of tanks for many many updates which makes them unbearable to play, and there’s multiple tanks like that in this game i.e. t28 and vk30.02d. Why haven’t these tanks and others been buffed? It’s quite clear that there is not any positive factors to tanks like these that give them advantages on the battlefield and yet update after update nothing changes.

plush perch Jul 25, 2020, 2:18 PM

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No one complains about vk.30.02 d because there is other line that leads to leopard 1 , while t28 prot and t28 is the only way to get a certain tank

remote oriole Jul 25, 2020, 2:21 PM

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The T28 Proto isn't even that bad

drowsy idol Jul 25, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Better than t28

compact nymph Jul 25, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Everything at T8 is better than the T28

nimble zodiac Jul 25, 2020, 2:49 PM

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You know you’re bad when you’re worse than Ferdinand

lone warren Jul 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Unfortunately, giving it a speed consumable is not enough.

zinc fossil Jul 25, 2020, 3:14 PM

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The T28 is weird because the stat card says it has 256mm of armour. Which is theory should block most shots at Tier 7 and 8, since they usually have 200-230mm of pen. But if you look at the armour model that 256mm of armour is only behind the gun mantle, and the entire from of the tank only has 203mm of armour, which most anything can pen. None of this armour is angled, you can't angle yourself since your side armour is paper. At least the Ferdinand has more HP.

minor minnow Jul 25, 2020, 3:17 PM

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A lot of tank destroyers that are psuedo-heavies have suffered a bit from the heavy HP changes.
Its odd that both T28s still only sits at 1150 HP pool as its base, when other tank destroyers that are also heavy oriented, like the Ferdinand and AT-15, are sitting at 1400 and 1450 respectively.
They shouldn’t have the HP pool you expect to see on a glass cannon like the Rhm, especially since heavy tanks now pack 600 - 900 more HP than them.

At least other TDs with a low HP pool have the mobility to avoid confrontation with a heavy.
The T28 Defender. Personally I say it’s more of a heavy tank than anything, so the hp’s help

golden owl Jul 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Anyone know why the t54e1 doesn’t have HE

autumn zodiac Jul 25, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Honestly nobody knows why

distant river Jul 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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The clip damage would be too hig-

Looks at standard b *
Nope not a clue

timid cliff Jul 25, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Lol I think I must bring to the notice of the balance team to buff leo pta cuz it's the one of the worst performing tanks right now in the game 😇

nimble zodiac Jul 25, 2020, 3:57 PM

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DPM 😈

winged barn Jul 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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@timid cliff sure buddy
looks at t28

The pta is functional. There are many worse tanks to be playing. Shall I expand the list?

timid cliff Jul 25, 2020, 4:20 PM

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@winged barn 🤣 lol I am starting to think that WG forgot that these tanks are still existing in the game 😂 if they are really watching their discord I think they should have buffed the leo pta way back 😅 hope they'll atleast buff these both tanks ( leo pta & t 28 ) in the upcoming update 😂

golden owl Jul 25, 2020, 4:21 PM

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@timid cliff according to #devs-answers the T54E1 actually does worse. Both the Leopard and the PTA have one of the worst wr for its tier. Is this because it has a high skill cap and that they are one of the more popular tanks?

full token Jul 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I thought that the T54E1 didn’t have HE because there was some info about it not being able to fire HE in real life. But with WG not being so historical in the game, that doesn’t make sense either

karmic steeple Jul 25, 2020, 5:15 PM

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It doesn’t have HE

zealous arrow Jul 25, 2020, 5:29 PM

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@verbal thistle I don't even own this tank but admit its a pos, PRE-BUFF tiger II a not so good tank had little difficulty clearing it.

jagged crescent Jul 25, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Wheres the 120mm of side armor on the WZ 111 1-4 smh

I got scammed out of actual side armor

minor minnow Jul 25, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Nowhere unfortunately

nimble zodiac Jul 25, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Not scammed if the armor inspector existed ;)

zealous arrow Jul 25, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Its actually 120 on the upper part.

compact nymph Jul 25, 2020, 6:56 PM

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It’s 120 on the sides of the turret, but the hull sides range from 30 to 80mm.

jagged crescent Jul 25, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Heres' the thing, the turret sides are listed at 120. And there's an area where it's 120.
On the sides, where it's also listed at 120, there's nothing

verbal thistle Jul 25, 2020, 7:33 PM

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The clip damage would be too hig-

Looks at standard b *
Nope not a clue
@distant river I researched my T54E1 back in the day when it had 350 mag. But still no HE was there.

minor minnow Jul 25, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Meh it’s a 105 it wouldn’t have too much HE pen anyway, I don’t think it’s missing out on a lot

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@plush perch nobody complains about Vk.30.02 D for a few reasons. Reaosn 1: Nobody uses it (Other than me cause i love it B) 2. its not even that bad, its Average for a tier 7 medium. Same for the Indien Pz its just super average. Also the light tank line to the leopard is way better. (if you really wanna make people mad Use Indien Pz in a training room, trust me i know)

sand sky Jul 25, 2020, 8:30 PM

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LMFAO

pallid widget Jul 25, 2020, 8:35 PM

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It is time to buff VK 72 01K. It is a weaker version of e100 right now

minor minnow Jul 25, 2020, 8:52 PM

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It’s got godly frontal armor (ignoring the lil boob things on the sides of the hull) the same gun as the E100, even slightly better. It’s just different it doesn’t need a buff imo

golden owl Jul 25, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Doesn’t it have the worst dpm in the game?

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 8:54 PM

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@golden owl at tier X, but it doesn't stop me from having a 2000 average damage with it, its super nice ngl, the front has very few weak spots like BuffLuchTraverse said, pretty much only TD's and Pe ammo can pen the lower plate which is 290mm or something, It wold be nice to get a reload or side armor buff but other than that its fine. THe only reason people call VK 72 bad from what i can see is cause they don't know how to play it right, you can't side scrape in it at all and i see alot of people trying. also the Line to the VK 72 is HELL.

civic topaz Jul 25, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I wouldn't call the VKB hell...

pallid widget Jul 25, 2020, 9:02 PM

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It’s got godly frontal armor (ignoring the lil boob things on the sides of the hull) the same gun as the E100, even slightly better. It’s just different it doesn’t need a buff imo
@minor minnow the gun is not better. In fact it has 200 less dpm. And e100 has weaker frontal armor but it makes it up with much better side armor. With VK u can't even angle for 10° and it is far more vulnerable to crossfire. So VK exchanges the godly side armor anf dpm for a paper side and a turret that u can pen even without using gold. Nice

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 9:06 PM

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@pallid widget i'd look at those gun stats again... the VK's gun is pretty much better at everything other than reload time compared to the E100, also WOOPDY DO SIDE ARMOR d o n ' t a n g e l its that simple man. Not saying the E100 is worse or better than the VK 72, they're nothing alike in terms of play stile, Vk's is much harder and you actually need to try e100 you can just kinda do whatever in. And by no means am i good player.

orchid grove Jul 25, 2020, 9:10 PM

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@north nimbus VK's gun isn't better at anything compared to E-100. All it has is slightly better aim time, but the gun handling and dispersion are identical. Moreover, that DPM difference is massive. It's the difference between the worst DPM in the tier on the VK 72, compared to actually OK DPM (better than IS-4) on the E-100.

Moreover the side armor does matter, especially because VK 72 has a rear mounted turret. This means that peeking corners is extremely awkward, especially compared to E-100s superior side armor and center mounted turret.

Also, VK 72 has 150 less HP, which is just salt in the wound.

pallid widget Jul 25, 2020, 9:16 PM

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No it's not that simple. U will be punished for having a weak side no matter how good u play because u are sitting at the frontline while u are pushing and getting pushed. On top of that it has worse mobility.

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north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 9:17 PM

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@orchid grove I can agree with the peeking corners thing, but tbh 150 HP at tier 10 doesn't really matter especially when you already have 2000+ HP. About the reload its pretty annoying that it has a 17 second reload at 100% crew but the high damage kinda makes up for that i feel. I did a woopsy by saying the gun is better in every way cause i didn't see that i had Provisions, MB. By no means am i saying VK is better than E100, i'm just saying its not as bad as people make it out to be. ( This is just my opinion you don't need to agree with me at all)

autumn zodiac Jul 25, 2020, 9:24 PM

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150 does make a difference, that's surviving 7 vs. 8 105mm shots and any other combination

VK 72 Effectively has T110E4 syndrome where better options exist

orchid grove Jul 25, 2020, 9:24 PM

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It's as bad as people make it out to be when the competition it gets from other heavies is so stiff. At tier X, with heavies, VK 72 is competing against monsters like the Maus, IS-4, AMX 50b, 113, etc... and really, it just falls behind. It can't tank like a Maus or IS-4, and it doesn't deal damage like a clipper or 113. And really, the combination of rear mounted turret and awful DPM just really hold it back

remote oriole Jul 25, 2020, 9:24 PM

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The Vk 72 does not have a paper side armour

vale sun Jul 25, 2020, 9:24 PM

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At least vk can have some meme facehugs where it can't pen thanks to bad gun depression and rear mount and the other guy can't pen because fat german armour

nocturne mauve Jul 25, 2020, 9:25 PM

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VK 72 is just bad lol

onyx rover Jul 25, 2020, 9:26 PM

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why is the T28 (td) Soo slow?

stiff edge Jul 25, 2020, 9:27 PM

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because wg

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 9:27 PM

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@pallid widget sorry but i have no idea what that screen shot means, Also i don't find having no side armor to be an issue, again just me, you can have your own opinion. I don't speek for everybody of course. Now that a think about it a mobility buff for VK would be great and make sense since it is like lightest SUper heavy in the game and its based of the lowe (or the lowe is based of it i have no idea Lol). AGain i can really only see it getting a reload or side armor getting a buff. @orchid grove i can agree with you saying its held back by bad dpm and rear mounted turret, But i don't think its bad. @remote oriole yes it does have paper side armor lol. @onyx rover T28 is so slow cause the put a fricken tractor engine in a 60 ton tank ( NOT LEGIT TRACTOR ENGINE) @autumn zodiac and jesus christ is that so irrelevant lol. @vale sun that happened to me once when a Wz 113 thought it was a great idea

remote oriole Jul 25, 2020, 9:34 PM

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@north nimbus No, it does not. It has trollish side armour and it can be abused to bait shots from people who mistakenly believe that they'll have an easy time penetrating. In fact, the only true weakness is the rounded area below the turret which is only weak due to the angle, so if you aim poorly, RNG intervenes or the VK 72 turns at the right moment you will have a hard time penetrating its sides

lone warren Jul 25, 2020, 9:40 PM

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@onyx rover because it’s a pseudo-heavy that is supposed to have armour. Unfortunately, it does not have armour as its lower plate is awful and it has no side armour. So the only thing going for it is DPM. Except, you have no mobility or a turret, so good luck being able to keep your gun on a tank.

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 9:42 PM

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B u f f t h e r e l o a d woops wrong screen shot

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coarse harness Jul 25, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I use the VK when I want to suffer

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 9:54 PM

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a Legit balance Discussion: Buff Vk 72's Reload and traverse speed, Buff IS-2sh's Uper plate. Remove the weird lowerplate on the T28 so its like the T95 but without the side tracks and 640 damage gun, also give the T28 and T28 Prot 1400 Hp.' Give tier 7 mediums with under 150 pen a buff (cause 140 under is ridiculous. And finaly Buff Luchs's Traverse speed, its sad. THese are just Suggestions and my personaly opinion

vale sun Jul 25, 2020, 9:55 PM

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T28 gun has mediocre accuracy, since WG decided that the tank didn't deserve any appealing characteristics

autumn zodiac Jul 25, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Buff the 50mm strips of armor to 60 and the results will be amazing

lone warren Jul 25, 2020, 10:00 PM

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T28 should definitely have more than 1150 base HP pool

coarse harness Jul 25, 2020, 10:01 PM

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The upper plate on the IS-2Sh is fine but the side armor is pathetic
60mm behind the tracks on a back turreted heavy...
The turret is also crap but the side needs a buff more

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 10:04 PM

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T28 is by far the worse tank in the game for its tier, if you like it you're trolling

minor minnow Jul 25, 2020, 10:10 PM

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The fact that it can get died by any 120mm autoloader is kinda depressing

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 10:15 PM

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the tank is just depressing, not one thing is good about it other than the Pen, sure it might seem like you have alot of armor, but that weird little lower plate thing, you can pen it even if its red sometimes (found this out in my AT15 no idea if you need alot of pen for that or what) And jesus christ i'm not even going to talk about the speed or mobility. The average damage is also a big part of why it sucks, people will psuh you knowing that even heavy tanks can go around to the side and kill it. maybe if it did 550 average damage idk. Go for T28 Prot or pay past the T28

lone warren Jul 25, 2020, 10:26 PM

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The gun on the T28 is fine really, the tank is just suffering so much more with the heavy hp buffs. TDs sitting at 1100-1150 base HP at least have mobility to avoid heavies. The T28 does not, and can face heavies with 1000 more HP than it. The DPM is nice on the tank, but its mobility and HP means it can be hard to actually put that into play.

zinc fossil Jul 25, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Hot take, but I'd like to see the VK 72 made into more of a gun focused heavy tank. It's currently butting heads with both the Maus and E-100, which both have better armour layouts. Not to mention the VK 90 is essentially a better version of the VK 72. Buff it's DPM and gun handling, reduce it's hull armour, and tweak the speed as necessary. This could also be extended to the VKB and VKA, buffing their guns and reducing their protection.

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 10:59 PM

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I really like that idea, good man @zinc fossil

vale sun Jul 25, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Rip the E4 then

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 11:09 PM

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feel like the E4 is kinda outdated, VK is veyr very outdated

zinc fossil Jul 25, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Fair point. I think the best thing to do there is to drop the penetration of the VK to around 240ish, and reduce the alpha damage to 560 in exchange for higher reload. This way the E4 would be more consistent and trade better. Alternatively giving the E4 a gun depression buff would help to give it an edge compared to the VK. It really needs it tbh.

north nimbus Jul 25, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Pen should stay the same, its not very good anyway, I think it should do around 520 like you said but for a reload of like 12.0 seconds. And throw a little mobilty buff in there cause its the lightest super heavy and it only makes sense, maybe even a 35 kph top speed, idk that might be pushing it. @zinc fossil or go with your idea cause it wounds nice.