#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 159

peak mica Jun 28, 2020, 11:38 AM

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ATGM 341 penetration cant pen front armor of heavy tank? that means all meds shouldnt be able to pen front armor as well... even some heavy tanks not mention td's have lower pen on their pammo

noble siren Jun 28, 2020, 11:49 AM

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They can but only lower plates which isn't something unusual

split steeple Jun 28, 2020, 12:16 PM

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FIX THE GAME!!!
Ghost rounds galore.
Tournament lags BIG TIME!
FIX THE GAME!!!
Loose the fancy “tracks in the sand” and graphics BS and FIX THE GAME!!!

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Idk i have no trouble with running the game servers are good matchmaking sucks JUST LIKE EVERY GAME SO GET USED TO IT PEOPLE i am still all for filling in the gaps and improving gameplay

And honestly I love the hellcat

real bison Jun 28, 2020, 12:56 PM

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btw get a server role at #surveys

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 PM

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What im still confused about, is the dispersion of meds.
Why in hell does t62A have better dispersion than leo? Why does it even have that high dispersion?
Its supposed to be heavy armored med.
It also has almost the same dpm as leo1, better dispersion and the armor to peak a boo.
Why? It should have like mediocre dispersion, i dont get this balancing at all.
Wait they changed it? I remember it being better for quite a while, good to know.
Alsoz im a dumbass for not checking it

thick rover Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 PM

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@burnt prism it doesn't have better dispersion

nocturne mauve Jun 28, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Same dispersion

gleaming arch Jun 28, 2020, 3:19 PM

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It's stupid that missiles can penetrate front armour of most heavy tanks.... you could change the ammo type give sheridan AP >>> APCR >>> HE missiles with low pen that can't penetrate heavy armoured tanks or just delete missiles at all... now because engine power is reduced more and more sheri tanks camping behind covers with missiles
It can't pen the front hull of my IS-7

regal grove Jun 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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are you guys still seriously complaining about missiles it literally goes at like 40km/h and it can barely curve anymore
if you're complaining about mm you either can't read or ur just straight up bad
If there's still people who complain about the above just gonna say no one's really going to take you seriously

jagged crescent Jun 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Sheris are still annoying sure, but they’re a lot better compared to when they were first released

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Yeah it's still annoying bc it can still use missiles behind cover and we can't avoid it, even with the nerf.

drifting depot Jun 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

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At least they have it harder now

winged barn Jun 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Still hits behind cover=still broken

lethal star Jun 28, 2020, 5:34 PM

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atgms are not nearly as effective anymore, missiles are useless as a prem round (basically) and are only useable (if shooting over a ridge ) on a target about 100m away.... not to mention that 310 mm pen is kinda bad pen for a tier 10's premium rounds....
what made Sheridan "op" (even thought it was not) was the engine, but of course that's gone now.... sick of nub players wanting it removed because they don't know how to play against it.

yes it can pen the top, but a lot of times its hard to do that, as I said, the nerf made it hard to do it.... Sheridan does not even have dpm or anything....

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 5:35 PM

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But can pen on the top of the tanks.

lethal star Jun 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Sheridan is not op, it does not need another nerf... and its supposed to be able to hit behind cover, if you play a Sheridan like you would a med or a light like bat chat u prob would not do so good.... and most Sheridan players have no clue how to use missiles..... if you actually bothered to get one you would see its clearly not op.

even is the heat rounds have the best pen, it does not mean the missiles need a nerf ( to the turn rate, or the tank's engine, etc)

distant river Jun 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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310mm is the highest med and light prammo pen by 10mm 🤦‍♀️@lethal star

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 5:52 PM

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@lethal star unless the tank is completely useless, it will still be broken, cause of the missiles 🙂

nimble zodiac Jun 28, 2020, 5:54 PM

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EH, not necessarily, the dynamics of the missiles have been tuned down enough that it just turned into prammo at this point

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Yeah it's the missiles that are broken, for good players that knows how to use missiles just support the team behind cover and spam missiles.
Happens often.

lethal star Jun 28, 2020, 5:56 PM

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saying missiles are broken is like saying that auto loaders are broken, or that 183 is broken because the biggest gun in the game can pen any tank with hesh

stiff edge Jun 28, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Limiting the distance that missiles can travel and limiting their turn speed only made it so that you have less opportunities to use it. It still means you can hit tanks behind cover, it’s just harder to find those scenarios where your missile can reach the target. The traverse/turn nerf made it so that you can’t fluff up a shot by moving your mouse/finger a tiny bit, but it makes it harder to lead on faster tanks.

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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@lethal star It's not that, auto loaders and 183 they do direct fire not like ATGMs they don't need to expose themselves to shoot missiles.

lethal star Jun 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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ok, yeah they can shoot behind cover, but missiles are easy to dodge (most of the time) and if you are in a heavy chances are you can just slightly angle to bounce... nearly impossible to shoot a moving target or to change thhe trajectory of the missile after you shot it

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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The game is designef on direct fire, missiles break that, causing them to be broken. If it can shoot over a ridge, while the player shooting is safe, then its broken.
Unlike the fv183, the sheri cant be HE/heshed, and doesnt need to poke as much as an fv, and doesnt get punished for trying to take a shot. And the thing about dodging the missile, yeah when you're angling againts someone else and a missile flies over the ridge, where the td was supposed to have you covered, you have 2 choices, angle towards the missile and get shot by the person you're angling against, or get hit by the missile. Oh and lemme remind you, that not all meds cant turn fast enough to dodge it

regal grove Jun 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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u sacrifice a lot of dpm from ur already abysmal reload

stiff edge Jun 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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dpm doesnt mean much if the enemy cant hit back

lethal star Jun 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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and also, yes you can HE a Sheridan, you can do it from quite a few spots too... lower plate, sides and back of turret, rear, and some Sheridan's are stupid enough to put themselves in a position where you can shoot underneath them

round bluff Jun 28, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Wait, you've been shooting HE at the sides and rear of sheridans?

lethal star Jun 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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iv'e HEd sheridans from rear and the sides and back of the turret in my e100, waffle, and standard B, but as far as I know you cant pen the sides with HE (maybe by tracks but idk) …. but Sheridan is HE-able

drowsy plaza Jun 28, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Not exactly the rear. The top of the rear Is still spaced.

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You need to hit the lower part of the hull not up by the engine deck.

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ATGM’s are still broken, you can curve them over the top of the mound at C on Yamato Harbor. Or on Port Bay. Enemy can’t fire back (unless they have a non LoS shooting ATGM tank too).

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And it’s 341mm of HEAT pen as pretty much everyone runs CS in it.

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Good luck hitting that HE shot when the sheri is going 50km/h. On mobile its almost impossible, and it needs a lot of rng. Hitting 2 atgms will take time, but thats 800-100 safe famage

stiff edge Jun 28, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Personally i can only reliably HE them when they are close range, or their turret isn't facing me, or if i somehow pen the cupola frontally

winged barn Jun 28, 2020, 8:17 PM

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You guys pen HE?

📎 Screenshot_20200616-204341_World_of_Tanks.jpg

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 8:44 PM

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You can't use HE on the hull of a Sheridan since it's spaced armour however you can on the turret, it has a trollish hull tho.

nimble zodiac Jun 28, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Except on the lower front plate and the tiny side weakspot, hit the side weakspot with HESH, took em out >:)

Oh, and the lower rear

vale sun Jun 28, 2020, 8:57 PM

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you're better off aiming for the side of the turret

turbid ridge Jun 28, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Plz buff the side armor of the E75 TS... at least make it possible to wiggle it a bit and make it patchy like a Maus turret

round bluff Jun 28, 2020, 9:14 PM

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E50 is pretty bad. Can it get -8 degrees off the front already?

distant river Jun 28, 2020, 9:20 PM

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What it needs is actual turret armour instead

drifting depot Jun 28, 2020, 10:40 PM

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"E75 ts side armor"

due to being literally a e75 at tier 8 with a better hull and worst front turret the sides are actually hard to pen unless you shoot the tracks which are often a weakspot on most tanks so deal with it champ

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 10:57 PM

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The t32 needs more armour and pen but less speed to make it more like a heavy tank

junior oriole Jun 28, 2020, 11:04 PM

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The t32 needs more armour and pen but less speed to make it more like a heavy tank
@unique scaffold wrong

whole tusk Jun 28, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Is the t28 good yet?

pastel cairn Jun 28, 2020, 11:04 PM

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The t32 is already pretty slow as is. I don’t think a speed nerf is the way to go but a pen buff would be nice

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Idk when I play it I normally am going around 40kmh and I can never pen unless from behind and the front has too little armour so angling is hard to pull

regal grove Jun 28, 2020, 11:15 PM

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if ur going around at 40km/h consistently then u aint playing the T32
and if the front can't take anything then ur also playing it wrong

edit: I said consistently

whole tusk Jun 28, 2020, 11:16 PM

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You can get to 40 with the engine boost consumable

round bluff Jun 28, 2020, 11:17 PM

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And if ur penning ur shots ur also not playing t32

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Eh it must be my playstyle then can I get some tips on how I can help with the angling issues I must be playing it completely wrong

nimble zodiac Jun 28, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Don't rely on the hull to bounce many shots, hulldown when you can @unique scaffold

jagged crescent Jun 28, 2020, 11:38 PM

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The selling point of the T32 is the turret

round bluff Jun 28, 2020, 11:38 PM

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And the tier 7 gun

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Ok thank you for the tips sorry to sound like an unexperience player and waist your time

proud delta Jun 29, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Anyone else dealing with a huge amount of lag in the game?

sage geyser Jun 29, 2020, 1:45 AM

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buff kpz70 to 1000hp engine

lucid jetty Jun 29, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Vickers CR is balanced. Otherwise I would get 3.5k dpb in it.

flat bane Jun 29, 2020, 3:38 AM

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To be fully honest, WG should not have touched the stats on the 155mm stock non-autoloading gun of the Foch 155.

regal grove Jun 29, 2020, 3:40 AM

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@flat bane they did; they buffed accuracy of single shot gun but needs more luv tbh

edgy falcon Jun 29, 2020, 3:53 AM

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I agree @

main tulip Jun 29, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Single shot on foch 155 should retain 640 alpha, because now it's just a worse Ho-Ri

nimble zodiac Jun 29, 2020, 5:32 AM

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With stock gun anyways

@rigid bramble look in blitzhangar.com, it's getting buffed

rigid bramble Jun 29, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Guys in the 7.1 the KV 4 get a Buff true ?? I am grinding and someone tell me it's a nerf

dense walrus Jun 29, 2020, 5:39 AM

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it is a buff yes.

tired arch Jun 29, 2020, 8:33 AM

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pls give vk 45.02 armor buff

formal vale Jun 29, 2020, 8:34 AM

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just the side armor, make it a little more flexible

gleaming apexBOT Jun 29, 2020, 9:13 AM

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dynoSuccess Donald Duck#3459 has been warned.

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dynoSuccess [DUTCH] JeGaatNietHalen#1108 has been warned.

noble siren Jun 29, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Wait we are bringing the ATGM rant again? Is it that hard to adapt?

thick rover Jun 29, 2020, 12:56 PM

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What if we shouldn't adapt

polar bay Jun 29, 2020, 1:59 PM

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One tank that should receive some kind of buff is the SU12244. It just stopped in time. Its worse in every single way possible in comparison with T25 AT or Jagdpanther

noble siren Jun 29, 2020, 2:21 PM

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What if we shouldn't adapt
@thick rover wut?

thick rover Jun 29, 2020, 2:26 PM

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What if they are arguing that we shouldnt adapt...that we should remove it..fixing this issue is not done by "git gud and adapt", I believe that is what they would think

drowsy idol Jun 29, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Can we buff the ho ri type 3s armor profile already? 250 can be penned by virtually anything and if you angle a tiny bit your sides become paper. I don’t mind an aiming time nerf or a speed nerf

The ho ri type 2 has a better profile by a mile and it’s t9

@latent snow I do run extra armor, still not enough

latent snow Jun 29, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Run extra armor, you get 260

noble siren Jun 29, 2020, 4:07 PM

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@thick rover WG stated that this mechanic will remain, and I'm pretty sure removing something is far more easy than adapting to counter it

nimble zodiac Jun 29, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@drowsy idol wiggling is the solution, make the frontal armor effective and then turn to make the side effective and then back, forcing the enemy to aim for the weak plates every time you turn, and this is good for the Ho-Ri because it turns quickly

primal pivot Jun 29, 2020, 7:37 PM

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When is match making getting reworked?

real bison Jun 29, 2020, 7:41 PM

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never XD

unique scaffold Jun 29, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Matchmaking is fine and isn't a topic for this channel @primal pivot

main tulip Jun 29, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I wouldn't run extra armor on the Ho-Ri as the HP is really low so it kinda needs the improved assembly more imo

lucid jetty Jun 29, 2020, 9:07 PM

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People won't buy T2020 in its current state.

distant river Jun 29, 2020, 9:11 PM

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People have and will continue to buy it

compact nymph Jun 29, 2020, 9:13 PM

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People won't buy T2020 in its current state.
Explain me why I see T-2020s in battle then.

coarse sinew Jun 29, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Cos u play tier 8 Kekw

lucid jetty Jun 29, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Explain me why I see T-2020s in battle then.
@compact nymph Cuz these are the bots.

nimble zodiac Jun 29, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I own T-2020, it’s just not that bad, I checked Blitzstars, out of 15 battles, I averaged 2225 damage

scarlet plank Jun 29, 2020, 10:06 PM

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T 2020s are practically decoration tanks, ur not supposed to battle in them, ur supposed to admire them in ur garage.

distant river Jun 29, 2020, 10:32 PM

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^ it's a collector's item just like the fearless

lone warren Jun 29, 2020, 10:42 PM

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15 battles is a low amount and you are just one case.
Still a bad tank

nimble zodiac Jun 29, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Not bad, average, and yes, it’s low because I wanted to stockpile credits with the Lowe and assert my dominance with the IS-7

lucid jetty Jun 29, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Blitz has 25 higher-tier maps. You should at least play T2020 10 times on each of these. That's 250 battles expected. Based on my experience it barely bounces when you trade. The Damage Ratio value is significantly lower than my other recent tier 8 heavy average.

round bluff Jun 29, 2020, 11:41 PM

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How is it not bad? Its a straight copy of every other Russian tier 8 heavy, but slower and less armored. Average honeymoon stats don't say much about the tank.

lucid jetty Jun 29, 2020, 11:54 PM

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And it does not have legendary camo.

tame forge Jun 29, 2020, 11:59 PM

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PLEEEAAAAAASSSEEEE buff the Vk 72.01 K its literally a Tier 10 Lowe but with No dpm or troll turret armor

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 12:01 AM

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then play the e100 xp

rose vale Jun 30, 2020, 12:17 AM

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imagine

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 12:54 AM

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VK.72 is good balanced@tame forge

tame forge Jun 30, 2020, 12:55 AM

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It’s worse than the E-100 it is not balanced

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Then u make sth wrong bcs its still another Kind of tank i mean

Turret is more behind
The tank and turret turns faster
It has better frontal armor
Its a tank Made 4 facehug

@tame forge

@Fearless
Wiggle

nocturne mauve Jun 30, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Weak turret

tame forge Jun 30, 2020, 1:09 AM

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@unique scaffold It’s engine deck catches on fire easy, complete penable. Front plate stringer but with a wider weak spot. Less side armor WAY less side armor

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Multi Report kit
Adrenaline
Rep kit

If u are burning sie multi rep im facehug not much tanks can shot ur engine deck also is the upper plate extremely good
The lower plate isnt that good bcs Pramo but in Facehug u dont need it also u dont need side armor.
U should Not yolo push into all enemies that they shot ur side use ur frontal armor u can also play hulldown
@ClearS1ght [RISER]

primal pivot Jun 30, 2020, 1:17 AM

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@unique scaffold just haven't gotten enough complains yet I see xD sorry to have bothered WOT blitz staff

winter roost Jun 30, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I think only X tier that should be buffed is WZ-113, I See it rarerly and I don't be confusing about this beacause WZ-113 don't have armour, don't have mobility and his gun is a simply joke and Road to that is horrible, WG should do something with that

nimble zodiac Jun 30, 2020, 3:46 AM

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The... gun is a joke?

vale sun Jun 30, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Obviously, did you not know? Its DPM is horrible!
Also, the turret is super paper. It's basically useless. Might as well give it the 4005 turret.
Wow, the upper hull is super thin. It's barely angled at all, literally tier 4s can pen it.
Also, it's sooo slow in a straight line. I bet even a t95 is faster.
What a garbage tank.

nimble zodiac Jun 30, 2020, 3:59 AM

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^

unique storm Jun 30, 2020, 5:19 AM

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My T57 with calibrated shells (271mm of pen with AP) can pen the 113 hull no problem | @nimble zodiac Yeah you keep thinking that buddy...

nimble zodiac Jun 30, 2020, 5:20 AM

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I mean it can pen the hull of any tank...

round bluff Jun 30, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Why play a 113 when the 215b can turn fast af

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Hey

formal vale Jun 30, 2020, 6:22 AM

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@round bluff hitpoints, dpm/alpha, and turret placement

sage geyser Jun 30, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Buff kpz70

formal vale Jun 30, 2020, 8:32 AM

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just give it better HE damage (something like 780)

noble siren Jun 30, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Vk72 is such trash tank compared to its brothers, I was going to ignore the bad armor if it had good gun, but the gun is also trash.

coarse harness Jun 30, 2020, 8:56 AM

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With the E-100 gun stats it would be usable at least

wise iron Jun 30, 2020, 8:57 AM

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VK72 is the worst heavy tank in game

thick rover Jun 30, 2020, 8:59 AM

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hmmmm

fiery dagger Jun 30, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Sounds like a you problem. E100 and Vk isnt even comparable, total different playstyle.

tribal lodge Jun 30, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Yup e100 and vk is totally a different tank

real bison Jun 30, 2020, 1:14 PM

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well what do you want it to be?

nocturne mauve Jun 30, 2020, 1:16 PM

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ST 1 is slow as hell, I never seemed to enjoy it

real bison Jun 30, 2020, 1:26 PM

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it’s getting buffed dude, btw if the turret got buffed, it would make similar tanks useless

nocturne mauve Jun 30, 2020, 1:27 PM

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It already has enough dumb HP, it doesn’t need broken armour

noble siren Jun 30, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Buff kv4's side armor to 200mm plz

full token Jun 30, 2020, 2:35 PM

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I think the side is fine if angled. Doesn’t need more thickness.

noble siren Jun 30, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I know but it's just WG balance meme

compact nymph Jun 30, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Buff kv4's side armor to 200mm plz
shhhh don’t give them ideas

frail silo Jun 30, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I think only X tier that should be buffed is WZ-113, I See it rarerly and I don't be confusing about this beacause WZ-113 don't have armour, don't have mobility and his gun is a simply joke and Road to that is horrible, WG should do something with that
@winter roost gun is a joke? It is the best dpm heavy
You have a strong turret and you are certainly not slow going in a straight line either
It is a hulldown tank.

winter roost Jun 30, 2020, 4:29 PM

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@winter roost gun is a joke? It is the best dpm heavy
You have a strong turret and you are certainly not slow going in a straight line either
It is a hulldown tank.
@frail silo you don't have gun tarverse , 5 grads... it's a joke XD

nocturne mauve Jun 30, 2020, 4:29 PM

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KV-4 is trash, also why did wg give it a higher buff than IS-6? IS-6’s buff is so useless

📎 video0.mov

latent snow Jun 30, 2020, 4:29 PM

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you are shooting at a literal human donut, not the tanks fault

willow hawk Jun 30, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Is IS4 getting nerfed? I wanna know cuz I’m grinding down on it

nocturne mauve Jun 30, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Not as of now

regal grove Jun 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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The only thing I don’t like about 113 is that it’s performance is a boat - it’s long as fu- and it turns like one too; gun handling could be better but if those were improved it’d be broken.

acoustic shard Jun 30, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Buff the VIndicator's Gun depression from -2 to -5 and it's Heat pen from 225 to 250 and it's HE pen from 80 to 88

nimble zodiac Jun 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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You can literally use CS and get 248/88mm of pen... I’m up for the GD buff though

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 7:59 PM

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@nocturne mauve yooo are u mad!?

nocturne mauve Jun 30, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Hm?

drifting depot Jun 30, 2020, 8:02 PM

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He always is 😔

jagged crescent Jun 30, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Ofc he's mad. Have you seen his pfp.

Pure rage

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Y can't yall enjoy the game y keep complaining? If u don't just uninstall smh

dusty mango Jun 30, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I Think they should buff the top plates on the Is-7 pike nose, so the tank has a strong front but still has the same weaker armor for the back and sides.

nimble zodiac Jun 30, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I think the IS-7 is fine in that department :p

unique scaffold Jun 30, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Isn't it famous for getting racked all the time?

real bison Jun 30, 2020, 9:36 PM

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yeah, but so is the E5 and Leopard 1

meager spruce Jun 30, 2020, 10:04 PM

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@real bison uuum Leopard 1 doesn't get ammoracked that often and I can say that with confidence since I got 2.5K battles in it

real bison Jun 30, 2020, 10:05 PM

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leopard 1 is quite famous for getting its racks damaged

drowsy idol Jun 30, 2020, 10:11 PM

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is 7

stray bolt Jun 30, 2020, 10:49 PM

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ty for KV4 buff

light cloud Jun 30, 2020, 10:55 PM

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KV-4 is trash, also why did wg give it a higher buff than IS-6? IS-6’s buff is so useless
@nocturne mauve your shooting under a tank of course you gon pen 🤦🤦🤦

nocturne mauve Jun 30, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Just a random video, thought I’d share but KV4 is trash, what does it have better than other heavies?

fair socket Jun 30, 2020, 11:05 PM

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I have a bunch of free xp and the kv3 and bulldog . Should i get the t49 or the kv4?

turbid ridge Jun 30, 2020, 11:06 PM

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E75 TS turret side armor buff... so you could angle it

vale sun Jun 30, 2020, 11:16 PM

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e75 ts is balanced as it is
kv4 has the meme side armour

nimble zodiac Jun 30, 2020, 11:48 PM

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And in 7.1 the armor profile is actually reliable when used

wraith ice Jun 30, 2020, 11:49 PM

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How bout balancing the teams, almost not fair that 2 sub 50% platoon on same team against 2 pro clan platoons....

main tulip Jul 1, 2020, 12:25 AM

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This isn't the place for MM discussion

dusty mango Jul 1, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Is-4 is almost better in all aspects, the is-4 can angle while the is-7 can’t is another reason why it is better if you need one

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Meadsy69 made a video on the topic literally like 2 days ago so watch that

nimble zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 1:12 AM

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IS-7 is quite more reliant on terrain to use its armor but IS-7 c- oh nevermind I’m biased 😈

@unique scaffold dang most turretless TDs can still be flanked given the provisions you have

dusty mango Jul 1, 2020, 1:15 AM

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It all depends on the user, I would prefer is-7

unique scaffold Jul 1, 2020, 1:16 AM

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They Need to Buff the WG-131G FT’s Turning Speed I tried Turning After Someone Flanked Me and I have the Top Tier Engine and Enhanced Fuel and It still doesn’t Work
Talk About the Hetzer’s Turning Speed on High Tier Engine With no Equipment

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@unique scaffold thats the weakness of turretless td's, being able to be circled by fast mt's and mt's

split nexus Jul 1, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Can we please nerf the turret armor on the action X

pastel cairn Jul 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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No that’s the whole selling point of the tank

static thicket Jul 1, 2020, 2:32 AM

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If the t26e4 mad games nerf is really big there’s going to be no point in owning the darn thing

unique scaffold Jul 1, 2020, 2:46 AM

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No

main tulip Jul 1, 2020, 5:47 AM

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They're nerfing the t26e4 in mad games?

ebon ingot Jul 1, 2020, 5:51 AM

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No

hearty steeple Jul 1, 2020, 5:59 AM

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yes. they said so last stream. topic not worthy to balance discussions though, since mad games is a temporary fun game mode

smoky yoke Jul 1, 2020, 6:21 AM

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So they nerfing it in mad games only then.

hearty steeple Jul 1, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Yeah probably a tweak to its abilities or some change to it. It wasn't clear on the stream

tall ocean Jul 1, 2020, 6:41 AM

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I encountered an Auto loader E 100

unique scaffold Jul 1, 2020, 7:07 AM

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You ignored our questions for proof on it and dipped when i asked if you even remembered its name or a letter of the username

nimble zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 7:56 AM

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@tall ocean oh yeah that one takes 14.4s to reload and 14.4s interclip, I think it might be too good with 4 shells in the mag, 3 would be balanced

crystal halo Jul 1, 2020, 8:05 AM

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I think the 301 needs pen and armour nerf

thick rover Jul 1, 2020, 8:11 AM

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oop

unique scaffold Jul 1, 2020, 8:34 AM

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oop

winter roost Jul 1, 2020, 9:57 AM

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If you nerf armour you are too slow to miss bullets and you don't ding anything, penetrqtion nerf only should helps

frail silo Jul 1, 2020, 10:00 AM

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the fv 301 is no where near slow

latent snow Jul 1, 2020, 11:13 AM

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why does vk 4503 suck so bad? did they just forget about it?

coarse harness Jul 1, 2020, 11:43 AM

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They sold it as a "sniper" lol

distant river Jul 1, 2020, 11:49 AM

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It was also described as "well armoured" 😂

compact nymph Jul 1, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Wait, do some people not snipe in heavies?

crystal spoke Jul 1, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Apparently not I figured they and especially is tanks would be the best

tight patrol Jul 1, 2020, 2:13 PM

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I think obj 252U should have the side armor nerfed. I feel like it has spots on the sides that shouldnt show gray on the scope, trolls me out lol 😄 I know some people thing the front should be nerfed, but I can still pen the front if its angled the right way, and I always keep a small stash of apcr for that reason

compact nymph Jul 1, 2020, 2:47 PM

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@tight patrol the armor behind the tracks is only 100mm and unangled, you should go through easily

autumn zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 4:18 PM

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@unique scaffold I don't know how you are having someone flank you in the WZ-131FT but it has more than enough hull traverse. It's using a light tank hull and is already quite mobile.

📎 Screenshot_20200701-121731.png

unique scaffold Jul 1, 2020, 4:19 PM

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It Could Because I don’t Have the Suspension

nocturne mauve Jul 1, 2020, 4:30 PM

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The problem with wz 131g is that it doesn’t turn on the spot, when it turns it moves 1 track not 2

drifting depot Jul 1, 2020, 4:45 PM

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^ that kinda makes it slower, compare German super heavies to the average heavy with no neutral steering and even if in numbers it says the average heavy is much faster in practice it's almost the same

coarse dawn Jul 1, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Why do IS7s comprise less than 20% of players yet receive 99% of ammo racks?

full token Jul 1, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Because of the location of the ammorack

drifting depot Jul 1, 2020, 6:00 PM

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^

mossy scarab Jul 1, 2020, 6:15 PM

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#BringBackTheCanyonAndHimmelshofGlitches!!!

nocturne mauve Jul 1, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I think the reason they had to remove glitches was because people did them inside matches, a Jg e100 did that Yamato fly glitch in ratings causing us to lose

full token Jul 1, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Those aren’t even supposed to be there. They’re fun for training rooms but they’re issues that needed to be fixed

nimble zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Lowe is one of the few heavy snipers, but VK45 is NOT a sniper, and only has mediocre amounts of armor, and 252U isn't too strong so it can stay the same

orchid grove Jul 1, 2020, 7:30 PM

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VK 45.03 can snipe decently well though, high DPM accurate gun with high pen, and high shell velocity

drifting depot Jul 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Not high pen for a heavy but yeah meh 105mm German laser beam go zoom also please give the Lowe some upper hull armor, it's quite annoying 😔

full token Jul 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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It has upper hull armor

orchid grove Jul 1, 2020, 7:48 PM

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@drifting depot It’s literally the highest heavy pen in the tier other than AMX M4 45

storm hatch Jul 1, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Tbh it’s not as accurate as people say it is

compact nymph Jul 1, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Doubt. It’s a literal laser beam. It hits where you aim at. If you don’t aim well then miracles won’t happen everytime

silk thorn Jul 1, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Leopard its the best just spaming with ammo and hever miss

nimble zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 8:55 PM

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@orchid grove T34 and M6A2E1 EXP intensifies* but yes, VERY good penetration for the tier

Lowe ain't got a bad hull, the upper plates work well, it's the middle and lower part that gets penned most of the time, regardless, it's a great hulldown fighter

orchid grove Jul 1, 2020, 9:15 PM

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@nimble zodiac O wait, I was talking about the VK 45.03 lol

nimble zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 9:16 PM

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lol

primal mountain Jul 1, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I think Leo Pta could get some love. It’s the 2nd worst tank at tier IX and there are very little reasons to pick it over Vickers CR, Std B or AMX 30 1er proto. Leo has bit better DPM and pen than the Vickers, but only 6 deg gun depression, worse mobility, longer aim time and worse camo rating. https://blitzanalysiz.com/update/6.10/tanks/9/#lowest-relative-wr

Tier IX Tanks :: Home

Stats analysis of World Of Tanks Blitz

coarse dawn Jul 1, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I think MM should be 'updated' to properly balance out games with too many LTs, especially given how strong the Sheridan and Vickers series are. Shouldn't be having teams with more than 2 LTs each, and each team should have at most one more or one less than the other.

Also stop giving LTs overcooked armor it defeats the whole 'balance' of being a scout tank and only ends up babying players and reducing skill level.

nimble zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Sounds like a Leo 1 player ngl, but I do agree, Vickers got thicc plates for a light

solid sky Jul 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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The tier VIII and IX British heavy's need a buff
I don't know what, anything to make them anything more than target practice for mediums

coarse harness Jul 1, 2020, 10:50 PM

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The conqueror has T10 heavy HP, special consumables, good mobility and a godlike gun with HESH
The only thing I would consider giving it is a bit more gun dep but then the tank would be pretty OP

coarse dawn Jul 1, 2020, 11:00 PM

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British vehicles are not easy to balance because of the HESH rounds act almost like a multiplier

nimble zodiac Jul 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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How about more turret armor for both?

round bluff Jul 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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conq, 7/1, and tort are tragic

pastel cairn Jul 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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7/1 not as much tho

solid sky Jul 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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like 100% of the time I'd rather be in an IS-6 than my Conq

formal vale Jul 1, 2020, 11:04 PM

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lol no

orchid grove Jul 1, 2020, 11:05 PM

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7/1 is awful lol

unique scaffold Jul 1, 2020, 11:09 PM

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7/1 is only good because of HESH

nocturne mauve Jul 1, 2020, 11:09 PM

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7/1 was good, 2 years ago

solid sky Jul 1, 2020, 11:13 PM

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It's also kinda shite that the stock turret for the Conq is the Centurion turret. I had to free exp my way past it because the 20pdr gun and turret is a joke at tier IX, can't pen anything and lights can pen you hulled down

nocturne mauve Jul 1, 2020, 11:26 PM

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And that’s why I hate conqueror

orchid grove Jul 1, 2020, 11:37 PM

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I mean, the Cent turret might actually have more armor than the actual conq turret

solid sky Jul 1, 2020, 11:41 PM

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cent turret has more steel but the angles on the cheeks and mantlet of the Conq turret give it a higher effective thickness

round bluff Jul 1, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Cent 7/1's top speed is still 40km/h. This is during a time when heavies go faster than 40km and no one would bat an eye.

thick rover Jul 1, 2020, 11:50 PM

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It's a balancing factor....?

round bluff Jul 2, 2020, 12:01 AM

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To balance what tho

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 12:32 AM

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positioning given the gun depression and hard-hitting gun

pastel cairn Jul 2, 2020, 12:45 AM

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The Churchill GC’s gun needs to have the alpha damage buffed from 250 to 300 or maybe 330 also the aim time could be decreased a little as well. It is a pain with such little gun traverse it has to try to deal with lights and mediums in a close quarters fight. It would be more effective if you do a higher alpha, so you don’t have to worry as much if you miss. I understand in a 1v1 you’re pretty much dead. But still it needs a slight buff in the gun department. It would just make it a little more effective on the battlefield. And maybe just for lols give it a legendary camo.

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 1:25 AM

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They won't really buff collector tanks, other than the huge one planned in 7.1

pastel cairn Jul 2, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Well I hope they do some day, cuz it sure is a quirky tank

sage geyser Jul 2, 2020, 3:14 AM

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buff kpz70

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 3:18 AM

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noe

formal vale Jul 2, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Just the HE to 780 alpha

gleaming arch Jul 2, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Why do IS7s comprise less than 20% of players yet receive 99% of ammo racks?
I play IS-7. Never Ammoracked in this beast

unique scaffold Jul 2, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Jinxed

compact nymph Jul 2, 2020, 7:13 AM

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I play IS-7. Never Ammoracked in this beast
yet

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I've been racked a few times, generally from my mistake, but not that much

thick rover Jul 2, 2020, 8:04 AM

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🤣

tribal lodge Jul 2, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Pls buff jg pz e100 ammo armor bcs it is easy to get ammo rack on the jg pz e100 or even get damage on the ammo

latent snow Jul 2, 2020, 10:41 AM

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the sheridan is garbage, might aswell make it teir 8

thick rover Jul 2, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Lol

gleaming arch Jul 2, 2020, 11:20 AM

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@tribal lodge Is that a new meme ?

tribal lodge Jul 2, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Sure why not

scarlet fjord Jul 2, 2020, 11:34 AM

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IS-6 + 10mm buff isnt enough please reconsider and make it at least 20-30 mm buff its armor profile is mediocre at the moment and its gun is so poor that the poor armor profile that it has is its strongest aspect

full token Jul 2, 2020, 12:10 PM

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They can buff it again later. It’s been bad for so long so it doesn’t matter if they take another few months to buff again. Better than overdoing it and then not nerfing it like they would on other tanks

scarlet fjord Jul 2, 2020, 2:08 PM

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True... but after checking the armor profile even with +10 mm buff its still so poor xd i say give it 20 mm buff and try it out from there
the problem is wargaming are slow when it comes to balance changes next IS-6 buff might be so far in the future

round bluff Jul 2, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Honestly its the gun that needs help. 175mm of pen is just wrong for a tier 8 heavy. Ik there's an alternative gun, but if you use that the is6 becomes completely pointless.

autumn zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Dude 10mm is plenty at range and at that angle 10 more mm of armor will do more than you think.

unique scaffold Jul 2, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Yup.

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https://panzerworld.com/relative-armor-calculator

Relative Armor Calculator

Calculate the relative armor thickness of a sloped armor plate. Specify either one or two slope dimensions.

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It's amazing what sloping armor does to thickness.

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100 mm of armor at a 30 degree angle is effectively 200 mm thick. 10mm more with the angles of the IS-6 is way more than it sounds like.

coarse harness Jul 2, 2020, 3:39 PM

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At least more tanks will have to shoot gold to pen the whole ufp like butter
T7s will have a hard time tho

They should just make one usable gun out of the two it has now imo

Maybe 190-200mm pen with something like 11sec reload fully equipped (with rammer)

tribal lodge Jul 2, 2020, 3:57 PM

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At least more tanks will have to shoot gold to pen the whole ufp like butter
T7s will have a hard time tho

They should just make one usable gun out of the two it has now imo

Maybe 190-200mm pen with something like 11sec reload fully equipped (with rammer)
@coarse harness 11 sec is to quick for that compared to jg pz e100 with 15 sec of reload

lone warren Jul 2, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Unfortunately the turret roof is still terrible

scarlet fjord Jul 2, 2020, 4:16 PM

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@autumn zodiac i know i have 2000 battles in IS-6 and have had many games even right now which were godly but thats literally me outperforming ppl by overangling and wiggling because i can practically angle that tank blindfolded at this point but to tanks that have above average pen on standard ammo or are just tall can pen you with standard ammo like your a joke and your gun is so poor that they outperform you
no particularly good pen no accuracy what so ever no good DPM either if your running the pen gun

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 4:26 PM

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@unique scaffold alright

The angle, assuming it’s angled reasonably at cos 60 or sin 30 as you’ve given, doubles the effective thickness of the armor, but against AP shells it’s actually around 192mm, unless you’re either angling the tank, giving it a horizontal angle, or you calculated it at a constructional angle of 65 cos or 25 sin, and accounted normalization anyways. This doesn’t look like it will help that much and it could probably only help at a distance

sweet prism Jul 2, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Just enough buff to make people aim for the driver's hatch or use premium round. Kudos to WG for not overbuffing a premium tank

coarse harness Jul 2, 2020, 4:30 PM

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@coarse harness 11 sec is to quick for that compared to jg pz e100 with 15 sec of reload
It does not even make sense but looking at your previous comments I'm not surprised

gleaming arch Jul 2, 2020, 4:35 PM

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So.

I play IS-6. I agree, It's armor is not the best... But use one magical thing : sidescraping. IS-6 in Sidescraping is a true beast. But it still need a buff. 30mm can do it

Now, let's talk about his Gun. Yup, his first gun is pretty lame for a tier 8 russian premium. Same for the pen gun. Many tier 8 premium front pen Tiger II... Except IS-6 (Without using his HEAT). So yeah, IS-6 need one "hybrid" gun. Little bit more pen than a BL-9 (230 - 240) and APCR - HEAT - HE.

Talk about his mobility. Decent mobility I think.

This is all I can say about this tank.

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Sidescraping? I love just snapping the somewhat large cupola one they begin popping out, other than that there's nothing it can do if it stays defensive. Yes it's great against penetration values around 220mm and lower, but heavies... they have a chance, and I'm speaking of the hull involved

And to be honest, a lot of it is theoretical, I don't see many IS-6 players sidescrape anyways

If an Obj. 704 bounced you with the BL-10 given 286mm/300mm of penetration, either RNG took their shell to the wrong spot or they're just bad ._.

gleaming arch Jul 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I'm a Sidescrape player. Angle IS-6 troll armor and you'll get LOOOTSA bounces. Trust me (A Obj. 704 bounced on me in Sidescrap ;-;).

Still, the cupolas are very small and weak. Not very hard to touch.

@stiff edge Sorry. (I'm not english)

stiff edge Jul 2, 2020, 4:48 PM

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sidescrape*
its alright, its just 1 letter

orchid grove Jul 2, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Sidescraping is a bad tactic overall
Sidescraping in an IS-6 is particularly bad because of the front mounted turret, and the hull cheeks are easy to pen when you do @gleaming arch

unique scaffold Jul 2, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Sidescraping is a good tactic tho what do you mean? Obviously not for front mounted turrets or particularly weak sides

hidden fox Jul 2, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I played the is-6, Side scraping is not good in it, cuz they can roll out and pen the hull

gleaming arch Jul 2, 2020, 5:30 PM

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This is how I play it, and I don't get "REKTED", so I think it works for me, but now I think I play against noobs

@nocturne mauve I think it is OP

nocturne mauve Jul 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Wow that new EMIL 1951 looks op

orchid grove Jul 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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@unique scaffold If you’re sidescraping, it means something has gone horribly wrong:

The enemy knows where you are
The enemy is already aiming at you
You have no hull down cover
You’re willing to allow the enemy to shoot first
You literally have no better options

Only when all 5 of these conditions are met will you ever bother sidescraping, and if all 5 of these conditions are met, that position is awful beyond belief.

Moreover, sidescraping needlessly exposes you to enemy fire, you run the risk of getting HE spammed, or even fully penned if you mess up, all for literally 0 gain. And then when you actually peek out, they can hit you and pull back into cover before you can return fire. 9 times out of 10, it’s far better to simply stay in cover behind the corner, go despotted, and then quickly roll out front first, snap a shot, then pull back instead of setting up a side scrape and telegraphing your position and intentions to the enemy

unique scaffold Jul 2, 2020, 5:39 PM

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If you don't have weak sides and you sidescrape well, you won't get penetrated before you get a chance to shoot because that's the only think you're showing. Japanese destroyers and other extremely high-pen tanks may pen you, but considering I see the first in either team less than a battle out of 5, you're fine.

frigid monolith Jul 2, 2020, 6:02 PM

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But what if I’m in a Maus and I want people to shoot at me? I’d much rather take 200 HE splash than a med or TD taking 600+, because I’m built to take hits, and they are most assuredly not

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Yeah, nobody is invincible in a sidescrape, especially against a high caliber and/or tall enemy

twilit crystal Jul 2, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Theres a few tanks its worth sidescraping in, but most others is not a real option.

unique storm Jul 2, 2020, 6:15 PM

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What is the angle of Caernarvon armor lol

vale sun Jul 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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I mean, the thing is, that in pubs, not everyone will be smart enough to deal with sidescraping.
Sidescraping is a good tactic in random games, it works most of the time. If someone starts splashing/penning you during sidescrape, that's a sign that you need to relocate/change tactics

nocturne mauve Jul 2, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I’d rather sidescrape than doing nothing/sticking front out first

frigid monolith Jul 2, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Or, even worse, side-on

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 6:20 PM

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@unique storm Assuming gun level, the upper front plate is angled at 59 degrees cosine, the middle front plate is basically flat, but it's 3 degrees cosine, and the lower front plate is 51 degrees cosine, so subtract 5 degrees unless it hits 0. AP normalization is a thing, and for APCR, subtract 2 degrees. Also the upper upper front plate is angled to 84 degrees cosine, a defnite autobounce for heavies, or well, anything that's not a TD lmao

formal vale Jul 2, 2020, 6:43 PM

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@orchid grove So for clarification, you're saying side scraping works decently well but you should never put yourself in a situation where you need to do it right? In that case, I couldn't agree more! Positioning is one of - if not the - most important thing in this game. Angling your armor and side scraping should only be used when necessary, not relied upon.

drifting depot Jul 2, 2020, 7:50 PM

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M6exp turret ring and hull cheeks armor buff? You know, since those are big weakspots in the front and the tank itself is meant to be hard to go through frontally.... it really isn't most of the time

nocturne mauve Jul 2, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Aw no stop

orchid grove Jul 2, 2020, 7:54 PM

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@formal vale Yes, but I also think that in the vast majority of tanks sidescraping doesn't even work well. A lot of times,if I can help it, I just angle my front around a corner to try and snap a shot off rather than risking a sidescrape. I only sidescrape if I'm in like a Maus or something, or if I'm desperate

formal vale Jul 2, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Agreed.

noble siren Jul 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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@drifting depot bruh the tank is enough good considering we got it for free, but sure go make it have E3 frontal armor level

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Imagine wanting a hull armor buff on EXP xD

round bluff Jul 2, 2020, 9:38 PM

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badger should have more gun arc

nocturne mauve Jul 2, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Badger should have a place in the tech tree

tight patrol Jul 2, 2020, 10:36 PM

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The Developers should take a closer look at the IS-2 Main 2 guns. This is coming from me playing this heavy tank for quite a few battles with both guns, I can say with certainty that the tier 7 gun is just as good/better than the tier 8. The only thing the tier 8 has on the tier 7 is damage, BUT at the cost of reload time, dpm, aiming time, (accuracy) and weight. (even though the last one isn't much of a game-changer IMHO) I know that it adds more pen for the HE and APCR, but I really didn't notice much difference, even in battles when I had to rely heavily on APCR. I had much better time in battles with the tier 7 gun equipped, but I cannot play in ratings EVEN THOUGH my WR is MUCH better with the tier 7 equipped. I hope someone reads this, I am not angry in any way, I just think this might have gotten overlooked. Closing comments: Please make the tier 7 gun available in ratings in some way. It's the same one that the T-34-1 uses in ratings....

nimble zodiac Jul 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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I can see the reasoning behind it, because each gun does have their specialties, and you say they are both similar-performing in battle, I agree to allow the VII gun in ratings. Besides, why not be an IS? Shell velocity and terrain resistance are the only things the IS-2 practically has over the IS, given both have the 122mms. And umm, the IS gets a better 100mm, ouch.

@lavish cargo 12... degrees of gun depression? Please no

lavish cargo Jul 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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I give yall your daily #GiveKranvagn12 message.

thick rover Jul 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

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no

formal vale Jul 2, 2020, 11:37 PM

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bruh no, not with the autoreloader it's getting

main tulip Jul 3, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Why is the kranvagn getting an autoreloader? That's stupid

frigid monolith Jul 3, 2020, 12:38 AM

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It’s unique

pastel cairn Jul 3, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Autoreloader’s are fun wdym

formal vale Jul 3, 2020, 12:46 AM

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It also fits the "European" tech tree in the sense that the higher tier tanks have autoreloaders

frail silo Jul 3, 2020, 2:47 AM

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the sheridan is garbage, might aswell make it teir 8
@latent snow you are being ironic right?

sullen vault Jul 3, 2020, 2:56 AM

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@orchid grove shutup dude holy, what you just said is so wrong i can't even fanthom.You're telling me i shouldnt be sidescraping in my dam E3?

orchid grove Jul 3, 2020, 3:05 AM

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@sullen vault Not sure if trolling 🤔

unique scaffold Jul 3, 2020, 3:05 AM

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trolling or a really bad player xp,u could sidescrap in an e3, wouldnt be able to get shots off safely tho

sullen vault Jul 3, 2020, 3:07 AM

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@orchid grove thats why ur dumb :]

unique scaffold Jul 3, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Is this doomy

tribal lodge Jul 3, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Dem the community is toxic bruh even in the game

charred bobcat Jul 3, 2020, 4:20 AM

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imagine not reverse sidescraping in the e3

crude kite Jul 3, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Pls buff WZ111 1-4 this tank so...trash

unique scaffold Jul 3, 2020, 6:12 AM

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WG has intention of nerfing the HE of BT-7 art. in 7.1 update, sad decision that one, that was one of the best characteristics of that tank, it will have only 150 alpha

compact nymph Jul 3, 2020, 8:34 AM

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The WZ-111 1-4 is fine. The gun is a bit derpy for my taste but punches hard. The hull is not amazing but still gets some troll bounces at the front and has a stripe of spaced armor on the sides. The turret is pretty solid and overall it has good speed.

fiery dagger Jul 3, 2020, 8:56 AM

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It's a better armoured IS-8 with an E75 like gun. It's perfect for what it is.

compact nymph Jul 3, 2020, 8:58 AM

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^ pretty much, liked playing it a lot. Same for the WZ-110, which is where I started having fun in the line

spare basalt Jul 3, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Is6 rework 😍

unique scaffold Jul 3, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Mmmm

dusk musk Jul 3, 2020, 10:34 AM

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someone to play ?

crimson plaza Jul 3, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I think that the Grille 15 concealment should be buffed cuz like it has lesser concealment compared to Obj 268. 29 for stationary, 17 while moving and 7 for firing when stationary for Obj. 268. But for Grille 15 it is 14,8,2 respectively. Plus Grille 15 looks really hard to spot compared to the Obj.

urban owl Jul 3, 2020, 11:46 AM

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I think that the Grille 15 concealment should be buffed cuz like it has lesser concealment compared to Obj 268. 29 for stationary, 17 while moving and 7 for firing when stationary for Obj. 268. But for Grille 15 it is 14,8,2 respectively. Plus Grille 15 looks really hard to spot compared to the Obj.
@crimson plaza mmm true, it needs a camo buff but i'm okay with the DPM buff either.

kind mortar Jul 3, 2020, 11:49 AM

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I saw the buff of old collector tanks in the 7.1 preview, and i’m really glad wg did it as they were kinda forgotten, but my main question is: i spotted some old tier 1 (that got removed) receive this buff, does this implies something? We can get our hands back on the tier 1’s? (Cause i’m missing a mastery on the old chinese t1 for my 100% mastery objective)

verbal osprey Jul 3, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Remove smasher and atgms ffs

fiery flame Jul 3, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Buff smasher, give it missiles please, it has them in the sides why can’t it fire them

celest dome Jul 3, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Make obj 140 relevent

final coral Jul 3, 2020, 1:18 PM

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@kind mortar i respect your dedication

dreamy oak Jul 3, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Buff the WZ 111 5 A

tame forge Jul 3, 2020, 2:38 PM

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@dreamy oak It does not need a buff. At all. It has good speed, excellent dpm, amazing turret, and really troll hull armor

dreamy oak Jul 3, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Troll hull armor? The hull is weak af

storm hatch Jul 3, 2020, 2:38 PM

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If anything it need just a buff to the side armor under its track but that’s about it @dreamy oak

coarse harness Jul 3, 2020, 3:02 PM

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That excellent dpm is on par with the IS-7 which is mediocre
T10 collectors shouldn't be competitive imo
They would ruin T10 tours

tight patrol Jul 3, 2020, 3:07 PM

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@nimble zodiac Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they gave the tier 8 gun a buff, even if it's just more pen or better aiming time. But they way things are now, I'm sticking with the tier 7....

round bluff Jul 3, 2020, 4:02 PM

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5a is an is7 that trades a LOT of armor for a mildly better gun

nocturne mauve Jul 3, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Somehow wg nerfed it before release

hollow bolt Jul 3, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Hi Devs, if you are reading, dunno if this belongs here or where it would belong, but the Avatars for Top Gun, High Caliber (Breach) and Victorious are still not updating.....I put in a ticket about 2 weeks ago and apparently its a known issue thats being worked on, j/w if you have an idea when that patch will be ready, I'd love to show off my accomplishments, thanks

nimble zodiac Jul 3, 2020, 4:28 PM

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@kind mortar unfortunately I think the buff to a removed tier I is a gun that another tank has, so it just also receives a better gun because two tanks use the same gun

scarlet fjord Jul 3, 2020, 4:52 PM

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increase the buff on IS-6 to + 20 mm its gun is bad mobility is meh and armor is meh
at least give it some DECENT armor that can bounce AP rounds -_-

full token Jul 3, 2020, 4:59 PM

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They can always buff it later. I’m fine with seeing how effective this buff is and then if needed giving further buffs in the future

main tulip Jul 3, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Kranvagn should have 2 shells in the clip instead of 3 (to differentiate it from T57 and AMX), not a dumb autoreloader

pastel cairn Jul 3, 2020, 5:44 PM

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You clearly don’t enjoy fun, three is enough shells. The whole point is that it’s a another autoloader/autoreloader heavy

unique scaffold Jul 3, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Examples like that is why people wonder why balancement is the way it is

mossy scarab Jul 3, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Buff Is5 armor, Buff is6 armor, Buff the Fcm 50t armor. Nerf p44 pantera reload time. nerf t54mod armor. Nerf the new golden amx heavy armor. nerf tiger 2 armor. Nerf the new fv301 pen because 226 -_-. The aiming time of the rhm is really bad becuase it has NO armor.

nimble zodiac Jul 3, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Wait, new premium amx? U mean AMX M4 49? Lol

regal grove Jul 3, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Imagine calling for a nerf for a tank that’s not even released yet like 🤡

autumn zodiac Jul 3, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Nerf T-54 Mod.1 armor? This man... 😂

orchid grove Jul 3, 2020, 5:56 PM

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2 shell autoloaders are dumb beyond belief @main tulip

main tulip Jul 3, 2020, 5:58 PM

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The kranvagn in PC has one less shell in the clip compared to the other 2, and I would like that to be the same with blitz

Who told you that having 2 shells in the clip is gonna make it have worse dpm

unique scaffold Jul 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Right it has 3 shells the other have 4 and it’s fair for blitz to have the same numbers please explain why you want the kranvagn to have worse dpm @main tulip

nimble zodiac Jul 3, 2020, 6:15 PM

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It won’t have worse DPM if they rebalance the reload but still, 2 shells would not help, especially if it relies on burst damage vs the other tier X drums

In Posit1ve’s opinion, Foch 155 is dumb ;)

kind mortar Jul 3, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I actually would love to have a 2 shell autoreloader tank

orchid grove Jul 3, 2020, 6:25 PM

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@nimble zodiac Actually... I did (and still do) think Foch 155 is dumb (note the dates on that convo)

@main tulip It's not a matter of DPM, it's a matter of 2 shell autoloaders being incredibly boring and unimagined. They play so much like single shooters that the autoloader is pointless.

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main tulip Jul 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I just don't want it to be an autoreloader nor to have the same amount of shells as the other 2

pastel cairn Jul 3, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Y tho, there’s no issues with it being either a autoreloader or having 3 shells

regal grove Jul 3, 2020, 6:31 PM

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^

unique scaffold Jul 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Also making you look worse without explaining why and just complaining “because I said so”

main tulip Jul 3, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Geez why so toxic, this isn't about "making me look worse"
And I don't want it to be an autoreloader because that's not what it was supposed to be, I understand that blitz and PC must have their differences but giving it a completely different mechanic is unacceptable to me

pastel cairn Jul 3, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Ok, but there are already 4 tanks at tier X with 3 shot autoloaders and 1 with a autoreloader. So it’s not a huge deal that they are making it a little different. Nothing against you @main tulip We are all simply stating are opinion on the subject.

main tulip Jul 3, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I'm not talking about you @pastel cairn , I was referring to dogofwisdom who sounds like he has beef with me for whatever reason

nocturne mauve Jul 3, 2020, 6:49 PM

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😂

jagged crescent Jul 3, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Smooth

unique adder Jul 3, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Bacara #391

unique adder Jul 3, 2020, 7:58 PM

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@uneven yarrow hi

uneven yarrow Jul 3, 2020, 7:59 PM

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sup

nocturne mauve Jul 3, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Typical seal clubber smh

cunning sun Jul 3, 2020, 8:17 PM

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this isn’t to balance anything, but can you guys please make it so that the x5 xp doesn’t get forced on us, and in game before the match starts it’s like boosters

regal grove Jul 3, 2020, 8:22 PM

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haha business strat haha @cunning sun

lethal coyote Jul 3, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Hello WG, can m4a3e8 plz get a minor pen buff?
As of now, it has the pen stats of a tier5 medium, and way too often, that just isn't enough, to be effective anyway

cunning sun Jul 3, 2020, 8:47 PM

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no that’s not a business strat, it’s just inconvenient, it’s an inconvenience @regal grove

regal grove Jul 3, 2020, 8:48 PM

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it is annoying ig but its different to implement than boosters code wise
its needs quite a bit of looking into without them making profit so i dont think they will for a while :\ @cunning sun

gleaming apexBOT Jul 3, 2020, 9:28 PM

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dynoSuccess Warning logged for страх/без/ужаса#3401. They were not warned.

crisp elm Jul 3, 2020, 9:36 PM

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T32 is actually decent. There's a lot of better tech tree heavies but it's quite workable

jagged crescent Jul 3, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Yeah the only thing that's holding it back is sup-par penetration. Everything else is either solid or ridiculously solid

pastel cairn Jul 3, 2020, 9:57 PM

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^

stiff edge Jul 3, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Turret is probably better than the t34’s because of the less obvious weakspot

nimble zodiac Jul 3, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Hello, welcome to Russia! Oh, you would like to order the IS-3 turret? Nobody orders those and always pick 252U or T34... we have none in stock, how about a T34 turret instead? Oh? A T32 turret?

|HOW DO YOU KNOW OUR SECRETS|

dreamy oak Jul 4, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Why got the WZ 111 5A next to no upper hull armor? I mean it's having the same armor as a 215B but 1k less dpm and no insane engine boost or reactive armor

karmic steeple Jul 4, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Bc balance

dreamy oak Jul 4, 2020, 1:19 AM

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That isnt balanced

regal grove Jul 4, 2020, 2:01 AM

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but it is
you want a broken collector tank huh
wz has a decent gun, mobility, armor
almost completely balanced in every aspect - nothing bad yet nothing good about it

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 2:03 AM

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5a would be way better if it got 330 heat pen, because then it could compete without having to shave its dpm off with CS.

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Or don't use HEAT ;)

jagged crescent Jul 4, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Just aim haha

pastel cairn Jul 4, 2020, 2:31 AM

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^

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Haha yes aim between e100 cheeks ez
No but seriously ~300mm pen for prammo is horrible

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Have you played the glory Russia that is: IS-7? Oh the same penetration of the prammo? Well, to be fair APCR degrades 2 degrees of enemy armor effectiveness and WZ's HEAT doesn't, but still. It works

Well I perform quite fine in the IS-7, unbearable seems too strongly worded... if WZ is to be buffed, would you then be assuming IS-7 is better suited for battle than WZ?

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Played the is7 for 2000 battles. Its apcr is terrible without CS. Anyone will tell you that weak prammo is part of what makes the is7 unbearable to play.
Nope. Is7 could also use a buff

elfin plover Jul 4, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Do you guys think they should buff the t-37

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Interesting, IS-7 performs great in pubs, less than such in competitive tournaments, but still stands strong

I mean, I've tooned up most of my battles recently in IS-7, an IS-7 duo, and they are chaos for the enemy

coarse sinew Jul 4, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Is-7 is lacking gun wise and the only time u would see one if that’s the only tank they have or it’s a very good clan like LGN but even then iS4 is more preferred

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Keep IS-7, skill based tank >:)

regal grove Jul 4, 2020, 3:11 AM

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is-7 was my 2nd tank and even tho i hit the legendary 69% wr in 420 battles with it i still think its a little underpowered. just a slightly better gun handling is all it needs

unique scaffold Jul 4, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Wow I am surprised you all forgot about Sheridan and t92e1. Good job!!

remote oriole Jul 4, 2020, 3:50 AM

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They got severely nerfed and are not the gretest concern now

stiff edge Jul 4, 2020, 4:07 AM

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they arent that common either now, you see a couple every few games
sheri is as common as BC rn, i would say

junior oriole Jul 4, 2020, 7:27 AM

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they arent that common either now, you see a couple every few games
sheri is as common as BC rn, i would say
@stiff edge and other hilarious joke you can tell yourself, maybe its because we are in different server, i still meet 2 sheridan and 92e1 every darn game

mossy scarab Jul 4, 2020, 8:52 AM

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The t54 has too expensive line, first you start with 175 pen in t9, than you buy a turret thats expensive, than a expensive gun thats expensive too, and than are the better guns and they cost 59K xp.

hollow mason Jul 4, 2020, 10:38 AM

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But has you try Chinese med line

unique scaffold Jul 4, 2020, 11:08 AM

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nerf tiger ii armor i cant pen it with my 234 pen gun

lone warren Jul 4, 2020, 12:30 PM

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you’re struggling with 234mm of pen?

noble siren Jul 4, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Boohoo plz nerf Tiger ll

stray gazelle Jul 4, 2020, 2:17 PM

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If you have 234 pen just aim at its turret cheeks

karmic steeple Jul 4, 2020, 3:36 PM

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@junior oriole for NA server at least missile tank number have gone way down

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Ppl still pretend like they don't have trouble with tiger 2?

karmic steeple Jul 4, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Just load pramo

coarse harness Jul 4, 2020, 4:00 PM

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People still think it's not broken

regal grove Jul 4, 2020, 4:00 PM

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nah nah nah just use a tier 10 gun from the M103 and load the gold. Simple right? So ez, anyone can do that. Tiger II is sooooooo weaaaaak

plucky pumice Jul 4, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Ban atgms from ratings. That is all.

sullen bone Jul 4, 2020, 4:41 PM

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What the hell! I "earned/qualified" for a premium tank and then I had 2500 gold pieces deducted from my account!!!! I didn't ask for it or approved it. Is WOT just going to make us buy tanks we didn't want?

empty glacier Jul 4, 2020, 4:44 PM

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The m60 needs a credit buff. It makes practically nothing

winged sorrel Jul 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Buff the crusader's damage

stray gazelle Jul 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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It’s not meant to make much because it’s a tier 10 premium

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Crusader is a great bullet spammer tank... it's fine

winged sorrel Jul 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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It's DMG is so lame that I played about 50 battles and barely got the Cromwell....

orchid grove Jul 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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@regal grove You don’t even need a tier IX though, even tier VIII heavy tanks like IS-3 will butter the Tiger II with prammo

regal grove Jul 4, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@orchid grove wait really
i was just making satire cuz i knew for a fact that m103 pen easily pens tiger ii but i didn't think the is-3 would too lol

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Yes, shave off your dpm even more to chip away at the tiger 2's immense hp

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 5:46 PM

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"even more" what DPM was lost in the first place?

noble siren Jul 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Lol people still have problem fighting Tiger ll?

nocturne mauve Jul 4, 2020, 6:24 PM

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It’s broken

karmic steeple Jul 4, 2020, 7:04 PM

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This is the Chrysler, which has the worst pen of all the tier 8 heavies, with pramo. It’s the only one I found that can’t pen with standard ammunition. TDs can pen easily. And meds and lights shouldn’t be fighting a tiger from the front. If you’re having problems I dont know what to tell you

Edit: I did not check t32 I forgot about it but I’m sure it is similar to the Chrysler.

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orchid grove Jul 4, 2020, 7:19 PM

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@karmic steeple T32 and Chrysler have the same gun, so it's the same story

karmic steeple Jul 4, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Figured that might be the case

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 7:25 PM

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so the only way to pen a tiger 2 from the front is with prammo, or by hiting the 3 pixel wide copula. Thats not broken?

karmic steeple Jul 4, 2020, 7:30 PM

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...

“It’s the only one I found that can’t pen with standard ammunition”

And no having to shoot a decent amount of pramo at a heavy tank isn’t broken. Is e100 broken if it’s hiding lower plate? No you can just shoot pramo at its turret and kill it easily. Some tanks, especially German heavies, just take some pramo to kill. And the cupola on the tiger 2 isn’t impossible to hit either.

nocturne mauve Jul 4, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Either nerf tiger 2’s armour or mobility

dense walrus Jul 4, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Are you paying attention to anything here

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 7:40 PM

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i'd fight a hulldown e100 any day before i fight a hulldown tiger 2. The e100 is massive, with gaping weakspots while the tiger 2 turret is slim and hard to hit. Even apart from armor, the tiger 2 is pretty quick, and its gun is snappier than most.

orchid grove Jul 4, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Is Tiger II overtuned? probably. Is it really all that bad? Probably not

karmic steeple Jul 4, 2020, 7:45 PM

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The only thing I maybe would agree with nerf wise is a traverse speed nerf so meds/lights can flank it easier. Other than that a tiger 2 will struggle against other heavies and against tds already.

Also, why whine about the tiger 2 when there’s multiple tier 8 premium heavies that completely outclass the tiger? 252, 112-2, and action x all are much better

Tiger is probably the best of the tech tree but that’s not saying much

Like 230 or something effectively. It’s stronger than upper plate @lone warren

lone warren Jul 4, 2020, 7:48 PM

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How strong is the lower plate on the tiger?

thin ermine Jul 4, 2020, 7:50 PM

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My team literally just lost a 5 v 1 to a sheridan bc all their sheridan had to do was take out the 2 one shot mobile meds, and then after that he could just farm the heavies and slow tds with his ATGMs. and they could do absolutely nothing! This was on normandy, a very hilly map where atgms are beyond broken.

Honestly, the only people who are having fun here are the people who have atgms. And nowadays that is typically 2/14 - 4/14 of the tanks on the battlefield. Definitely not the majority of players.

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 7:51 PM

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252U better than tiger II? Lol

umbral rapids Jul 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Stug

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dense walrus Jul 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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@umbral rapids #replays

distant river Jul 4, 2020, 8:20 PM

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The tiger 2 is currently not being used to its full potential by players. Everyone I see uses it as a heavy, goes to fight heavies, sidescrapes and holds.

It is literally the perfect tank for abusing meds. The average med prammo pen can only just go through the front on the flat at the right angle, add some wiggling and you might as well be invincible. Add to that the gun and mobility and meds can barely do anything.

Because if the stupid heavy meta and the playerbase seeing it as a heavy heavy rather than a med hunter it isn't reaching its full potential. It's definitely overcooked as a heavy heavy, but with a change in meta or if the playerbase wakes up ever so slightly it will much harder to fight against for a random player

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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what can a centurion 1 do against a tiger 2 lol

stiff edge Jul 4, 2020, 8:30 PM

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i mean
hope to track it
a few times

dense walrus Jul 4, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Or maybe pen it right through the front...
Angle any more and the drive wheel is exposed.

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round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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have fun with your 160 alpha

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regal grove Jul 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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lets change the question what can a centurion 1 do to almost any other tier 8 lmfao

drowsy idol Jul 4, 2020, 9:00 PM

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do 190 dmg

scarlet fjord Jul 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Wargaming is it possible that you do something about these players nowadays that have 500 battles and because they bought themselves a tier 10 tank they go in battles with it chasing medium tanks with only their turret traverse while being circled?
like not just that please find a way to teach the playerbase how to play your game make tutorials and force players with mediocre stats to watch them by not allowing them to play untill they finish the videos for example do ANYTHING really i am sick and tired of losing 11 times straight cuz the matchmaking decides to put 45% players versus a Legion platoon and some 55% players

frosty oriole Jul 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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centurion's not a bad tank but honestly the low alpha can be frustrating
(that's why I sold it)
(so then you have the 7/1 which is literally centurion with a higher alpha gun and hesh)

crystal spoke Jul 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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"You can bring a horse to water but you cant make it drink" the players who want to improve have plenty of ways to learn how to but the problem is most dont want to or dont care to they just want to waist some time while waiting on something

I'll be honest I'm quite fond of the cent 1 I used to hate it before I figured out its playstyle its definitely not for anyone and there certainly are better tanks

sour comet Jul 4, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Cent 1 is amazing but reason do not do well because over time new tanks come and power creep tank don’t get buff get left back.

jagged crescent Jul 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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The turret can also be alot better.

mossy scarab Jul 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

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I am litterly gonna explode!!! the matchmaking is bad! All is tanks deserve a armor buff. And give me more luck! i am losing 80 precent of the games

sour comet Jul 4, 2020, 10:05 PM

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@jagged crescent Don’t worry wait until the improve of version of tank comes cent 5/1

nimble zodiac Jul 4, 2020, 10:19 PM

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@mossy scarab not only is this the place to discuss matchmaking, but it would literally be near impossible to have a 20% WR over a considerable amount of battles, especially if you’ve put effort into it. Secondly I think the IS tanks are fine, they don’t need that much hull armor because they mainly rely on their turrets to block shells, and therefore should be positioned to where that is the optimal strategy

vale sun Jul 4, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I refuse to believe that the centurion 1 is anything except for a pile of trash.
Let's start with the hull.
The centurion 1 has, quite frankly, the worst hull on any medium at tier 8. It's so huge that it sticks above many ridges and can be seen from pretty much anywhere. It's garbage at the front and HEable at the sides and rear. The front plate is a hilarious 76mm thick and still below 170 effective when using gun depression. The fuel tanks seen to get hit quite frequently leading to fires. The speed is horrendous and it is outsped by many heavies. It's like a cromwell if you threw the driver outside the tank like in smash bros and struck your engine with a sledgehammer multiple times.
What about the turret?
The turret is slightly, slightly harder to pen than the M6 EXP's. In terms of armour, it's actually worse, but the "speed" it has over the SuperGoose makes it a harder target.
The turret ring, the cheeks, and the top bar are all pennable. Even the mantlet can be very sus since some parts of it have 0mm of armour behind it. Using the gun depression can negate some of the weaknesses, but you risk exposing the school bus of a hull it has.
Ok, let's say you're successfully hulldown and are putting shots. What about the gun?
The Centurion 1 possesses a very accurate, highly penetrating gun. Hooray, I guess?
Unfortunately, it only does 190 damage. Mediums will shrug and heavy tanks will ask "Who brought a pistol to a tank fight?"
So you think it gets good DPM in exchange? Well, more bad news here. The Centurion sits at 2334 with all the bells and whistles, which is below tanks like the Panther II, Pantera and AMX CDC while basically being the same as that of the T69. This tank fares horribly in trade battles. But hey, at least it gets 1450 HP to allow the reds to farm more!
The Centurion 1 possesses mediocre armour, a gun with 0 stopping power, horrid mobility and basically 0 exceptional traits.
TL;DR: Centurion 1 is a turd.

drowsy idol Jul 4, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Well the t8 is trash but you’ll get over with it when you get to t9

Same thing applies with the t28

round bluff Jul 4, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Yes yes but a good player in the centurion can beat a action x, so the centurion is not actually bad

nocturne mauve Jul 4, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Yes ofc...

unique scaffold Jul 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

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@round bluff can make the same argument for other similar underperforming tanks

meager spruce Jul 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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And a T28 can absolutely wreck an afk tank.

pastel cairn Jul 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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^
The STA-1 could use an armor buff as well. It’s practically a slow light tank

void flint Jul 4, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Why not idk buff the jagpanzer e100 it has been power creeped to a point that it can't be used

orchid grove Jul 4, 2020, 11:57 PM

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@vale sun It’s not like saying Cent is trash is a controversial opinion. Pretty much everyone thinks it’s trash

pastel cairn Jul 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

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@void flint I beg to differ the thing still preforms well you may not be playing it right.

void flint Jul 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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I have tried camping, front lining, and every using it as a heavy (with team support) what happens is my allies get out flanked and the tanks I left out in the open with no mobility, and then when I do fire only 10% percent of the shots hit and then only 1 percent actually penatrates (even if a light tank is side on)

pastel cairn Jul 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Try mid range. Not quite front line. Not quite camping. That’s usually how I play it

formal vale Jul 5, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Fixing the Tiger II is actually extremely simple. Just take armor away from the lower plate and then put it on the upper plate. It not only fits into the line better, it makes way more sense than the current iteration of the Tiger II's armor profile. I've said this so many times it's dumb.

Also, people have done a very poor job at showing the Tiger II's armor profile being represented by the majority of the tanks at the tier. Showing examples of 245mm and 258mm of premium pen does not show the actual range of penetration values at tier 8. Something like a T-44 has 217mm of APCR pen and 175mm of AP pen. The Progetto 46 has 189mm of AP pen and 272mm of APCR pen with Calibrated Shells. See what I mean by the range here? Yes you can easily switch to pramo or "just aim", but the drop off in damage per shot makes it take much longer to kill the tank in question.

vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Just Aim™️

pastel cairn Jul 5, 2020, 12:37 AM

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^

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Yeah if you're not hitting the copula from any distance and penning you're just bad

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 12:45 AM

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RNG doesn’t exist ;)

formal vale Jul 5, 2020, 12:46 AM

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As far as hitting weak spots goes in this game, dispersion completely negates any form of shot consistency that isn't taken at close range. Even then, at close range it can still throw your shots off. If this were War Thunder, where dispersion is nearly non-existent, the "just aim" argument would work extensively well. But in this game, where dispersion is so prevalent, it just doesn't hold.

I'm all for people having to aim for their damage, but heavies shouldn't be given a pass because of this. Buffing the upper plate to be nearly impenetrable will still force people to aim for the cupolas, but it will also make the Tiger II driver have to think about where he/she has positioned him/herself. Being able to just yolo someone without having any repercussions is not how the Tiger II should be. You should have to hide the lower plate just like the rest of the line.

That's why the armor should be reworked. I don't have much trouble hitting the cupola and I completely understand positioning and movement to negate heavies altogether. However, Heavies should still have to think about where they put themselves rather than being able to just dominate a single flank solo.

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 12:51 AM

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^^

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Again, what exactly are you people having an issue with? As I showed above, the heavy with the worst pen at the tier can easily pen with pramo. Most heavies could pen upper plate with standard ammo. Tds can easily pen. Mediums and lights should not be fighting a tiger from the front if you are you are playing them wrong. I really don’t know what problem you guys are having

Why is the upper/lower plate thing an issue? The upper plate being weaker means that there’s actually a bigger weakspot to think about

rose vale Jul 5, 2020, 1:31 AM

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#addtier11

autumn zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Doesn't matter if a Tiger II can't be penetrated frontally easily by a tank. The issue is that the lower plate is stronger than the Upper glacis

unique scaffold Jul 5, 2020, 1:38 AM

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@autumn zodiac Gotta agree, I loved my Tiger ll, i just elited it in 5 days. Its a total beast. But I m kind of sometimes having trouble w it based on your statement

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 1:42 AM

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@karmic steeple just show us how the average heavy with standard ammo sees the tiger2

vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Tiger 2 cupola is bigger than you think.
I think the tiger 2 turret is well designed balance wise, it's strong-ish but it has many weaknesses like the cheeks. It's not another "hurr durr impenetrable turret hurr durr" heavy that you see so much at tier 8. Main issue I have is how the lower plate is so much stronger than the upper plate.

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karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 2:01 AM

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This is is3 with standard ammunition. Other Russians/Chinese with apcr as their standard ammunition however such as the is5 do need pramo but it looks the same as the above picture in addition to the bottom plate being pennable in certain tanks. Higher pen tanks also go right through the upper with standard ammunition

@nocturne mauve there is no angle at which either the lower plate or upper plate is not pennable :)

Omg do I need to go through every single angle possible

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nocturne mauve Jul 5, 2020, 2:01 AM

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You most likely won’t look at it from that angle, the IS-3 is a short tank

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Yeah is3 is not taller than tiger 2 what is this

vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 2:06 AM

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That is unangled

silent drum Jul 5, 2020, 2:16 AM

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I think the t54e1 needs a buff

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 2:17 AM

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@vale sun @round bluff @nocturne mauve my bad you cannot pen (the hull) with standard at this specific angle.......until you load pramo

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vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 2:27 AM

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@karmic steeple That's my main issue, the upper hull is still a bit weak to prammo, however the lower plate at certain angles is a bit too much (it's thicker than the e75's). I think the upper hull should be buffed slightly and the lower plate nerfed to before-buff status

jagged crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Buff the UFP, nerf the LFP.
This won’t kill the tank at all.

orchid grove Jul 5, 2020, 2:43 AM

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That would honestly make the tank more OP TBH

formal vale Jul 5, 2020, 2:48 AM

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It would make it more balanced imo mainly because it would fit the convention for where people are normally supposed to shoot tanks like the Tiger II. It would just make it easier to go hull down (also forcing people to hide the LFP) and less easy to sit in front of other tanks. That's how these tanks are supposed to be played, hiding the LFP and shooting from behind cover.

mossy scarab Jul 5, 2020, 8:11 AM

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The cost of t54 gun and turret are to high

scarlet fjord Jul 5, 2020, 10:05 AM

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"You can bring a horse to water but you cant make it drink" the players who want to improve have plenty of ways to learn how to but the problem is most dont want to or dont care to they just want to waist some time while waiting on something

I'll be honest I'm quite fond of the cent 1 I used to hate it before I figured out its playstyle its definitely not for anyone and there certainly are better tanks
@crystal spoke thats the problem if wargaming force them to use their heads whether they like it or not it will somewhat fix the absolute morons we get in games I saw one time a person in my team had 37% wr 71k battles this HAS TO BE DEALT WITH

dreamy oak Jul 5, 2020, 10:36 AM

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ye and ppl say 5a is balanced

remote oriole Jul 5, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Buffing the upper frontal plate and nerfing the lower frontal plate so that the upper frontal plate is impenetrable if slightly angled (typical sidescrape position) even to most prammo and the lower frontal plate is a distinct weakspot even mediums can penetrate would make the Tiger II a lot worse against mediums and lights (and face it, you sometimes have to take them on frontally, you’re not the only one who is moving around in the game) but also way more reliable against heavies and tds.

In the end you will turn this thing from the medium hunter of darkness of doom of death to a fairly standard heavy

coarse harness Jul 5, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Then buff the ufp by 10mm and nerf the lfp by 20mm
Also decrease the mobility

coarse harness Jul 5, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Like I said before the Tiger II does not have any weakness you could use against it
IS-3 ?
-Bad gun handling, bad gun dep, pretty bad DPM
Caernarvon ?
-Low alpha, paper hull (exept the ufp)
VK 100.01 (P) ?
-Bad DPM, bad gun handling, paper lower plate, huge cupola, terrible top speed
etc...
Tiger II ?
Hmmmm...
Relatively low HP and that's all

noble siren Jul 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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damn is it really that hard to aim for the sides and the cupola of Tiger ll?

crystal spoke Jul 5, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Or the drive sprocket

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 2:23 PM

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@noble siren everyone here and their mother knows the tiger2 has a copula and sides. That's true of just about every tank in the game. And yes, it is really that hard to aim for these "weakspots." Way harder than any other tier 8 heavy that isn't op for profit. You have trouble with it too.

noble siren Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Action X is way more OP than Tiger ll. With good teamplay you can easily take down the Tiger 2. It's turret is only strong frontally, which means the slightest turn to a different way and it's easy pen, the cupola is big enough to be hit. Only half of the side armor is strong, the armor behind the tracks is weak enough to be penned while angling. Tiger ll is good only to hold enemies frontally, while for example the Vk100 can hold multiple enemies and hold fire from different directions. So just adapt instead whining. If you want to nerf something begin from the premium tanks.

plush perch Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Tiger 2 is not really strong actually

crystal spoke Jul 5, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Its strong and maybe a bit over cooked just not op

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Yes just adapt why aren't you adapting bro come on its not hard adapt already.

unique scaffold Jul 5, 2020, 2:39 PM

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CAX is not as OP as folks seem to think. The commanders hatch is a easy hit and it's sitting right there on the top of the tank for anyone and their mom to shoot at.

noble siren Jul 5, 2020, 2:45 PM

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then so is the Tiger ll's

drowsy idol Jul 5, 2020, 2:48 PM

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And the t28

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 2:51 PM

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You ppl do realize buffing the upper plate and nerfing the lower plate would be a buff right? You’re switching the frontally weaker armor to a smaller target that’s easier to hide. The tiger 2 would be even better I dont quite understand what you all are thinking. The main argument I’ve seen is that so it’s normal but I dont understand how the armor profile not being normal for a heavy tank makes it op. You have a bigger weakspot to aim at like.....🤨.

crystal spoke Jul 5, 2020, 2:54 PM

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The thing is we dont want it to be buffed

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 3:01 PM

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IK that’s why I’m confused why everyone is asking for a buff lmao

distant river Jul 5, 2020, 3:08 PM

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It isn't a buff 🤦‍♀️ Instead of being impenetrable to average med prammo on flat ground there would be an actual weakspot. It would require intelligence to play instead of being the awful broken and stupidly easy thing to play now. Essentially it would become more like the E75 instead of being a maus but mobile (obviously a flawed analogy but no other tank has no weakspots apart from the tiny cupola, it's stronger against standard rounds than the maus but weaker against prammo) @karmic steeple

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 3:17 PM

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I mean it’s not a maus in any sense at all. The frontal armor is paper to any heavies or tds. Like the entire front which you cannot say about the e75 or maus. If you’re worried about it being a med killer, you should be asking for a traverse speed nerf not an armor nerf. For meds to be able to pen the lower plate it would need to be nerfed by at least 50-60mm which is a lot. It’s unrealistic. Meds should be flanking a German superheavy anyway so a mobility nerf makes much more sense than effectively buffing it by giving it a smaller weakspot for the driver to deal with.

distant river Jul 5, 2020, 3:26 PM

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It isn't paper to TDs and heavies standard ammo it's still bouncy, and that's on the flat without cover, using depression etc. And like I literally said it wasntba perfect analogy but med prammo can pen the lower plate and cheeks of the maus which can't happen with the tiger. A traverse speed nerf doesn't stop it being impenetrable to average pen prammo which is the whole issue. 50-60mm effective armour is around 20-25mm in thickness. A mobility nerf just makes people stay further from the battle to protect themselves, making the armour even worse to deal with. It should be a med killer, just not a completely impenetrable med killer with a great gun and decent speed. @karmic steeple

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 3:33 PM

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A traverse speed nerf allows meds to flank it like you’re supposed to. And I’ve literally shown multiple screenshots of how paper it really is

drowsy idol Jul 5, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Breh you can just sidescrape in the tiger

winged minnow Jul 5, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Grile its the best

jagged crescent Jul 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Nerfing the lfp and buffing the ufp means the Tiger II would actually have a weak spot that doesn’t require +225 mm of pen. It means it’s more accessible.

It’s not even that hard to aim at it I’m the first place

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 4:19 PM

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The upper plate you only need I think it was 207
Somewhere right in there

distant river Jul 5, 2020, 4:22 PM

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"paper" to an extremely common heavy gun, note that with CS it's still impenetrable on flat ground when angled. A while ago I worked out the average med prammo pen, I can't remember what it was but it was roughly around 230-240, about the same as the IS3 running CS.

I would also like to remind you that it has 8° of gun depression as well, so this is literally the best case scenario.

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olive hawk Jul 5, 2020, 4:32 PM

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why are people talking about buffing the Tiger 2 armor lmao what

karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 4:33 PM

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lmao what do you not see all that green
And that’s with standard ammunition

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distant river Jul 5, 2020, 4:34 PM

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@olive hawk Buffing the upper plate a little then nerfinf the lower plate

@karmic steeple If you think that's paper then you are beyond help

Yes, when looking from the top it is green 🤦‍♀️ Funnily enough that's the same with most tanks with angled armour 🤦‍♀️

remote oriole Jul 5, 2020, 4:40 PM

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“Just flank” or “Just aim”... being in the situation of having the liberty to flank or to aim is a luxury, unless the enemy spreads all over the map rendering themselves unable to support each other or all being in the same spot in case of flanking or unless the enemy is tunnelvisioning or you are camping in case of aiming

olive hawk Jul 5, 2020, 4:44 PM

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nice green bro

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karmic steeple Jul 5, 2020, 4:54 PM

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My bad tiger 2 is broken
Sorry about that how could I be so dumb

languid kestrel Jul 5, 2020, 4:55 PM

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neekeri

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 5:17 PM

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why does the badger only have 10 degrees of gun arc

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I’d rather have a good spot to shoot full damage at, nerf LFP and buff UFP

vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Tbh Tiger II is the least of tier 8's problems

pastel cairn Jul 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Flank it that’s all that is needed

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Flank 252U, ez

vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Imagine having trouble penning an E3 when you can just flank it,, ezpz

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Aw man, it’s almost like they Tiger II doesn’t even have 6 teammates around!

Alright, have fun with your 1v7s because I’m sure you’d live to prove it
||I meant love but that works too||

pastel cairn Jul 5, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Teammates are never any help, thus it’s easy to flank

round bluff Jul 5, 2020, 6:48 PM

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So you're flanking alone then?

pastel cairn Jul 5, 2020, 6:52 PM

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If you’re gonna deal with any heavy tank you wanna try to track it a go around it. At least that’s what I try to do. Help from Teammates or not.

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Not genuinely a flank if your team isn’t there to take it from two sides, they turn around and it becomes a normal fight, it’s more of an ambush if the whole team “flanks”. But by the argument that ‘teammates are useless’, it’s flanking alone effectively

rustic tree Jul 5, 2020, 6:57 PM

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give grille 360 turret and -10 gun dep everywhere, not only on the very side, the model of the grille allows for -10 gun dep everywhere, not like on the wt auf, where u have to rotate the turret to the sides for -10 gun dep because of the hull, but grille 15 is taller, it can do -10 gun dep.

ruby monolith Jul 5, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Does anybody think that the E4 may need a small armor buff? Yes it has a turret but still...

rustic tree Jul 5, 2020, 7:08 PM

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yes it needs, u can pen the cheeks if u have enough pen... armor buff or atleast gun dep buff, i mean... -6 gun dep on e4? really?

pastel cairn Jul 5, 2020, 7:08 PM

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The commander hatch is also a massive weak point

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@rustic tree we don’t want it to pull a Cromwell B with its own turret...

ruby monolith Jul 5, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Speaking of gun depression, I can’t be the only one who thinks the WZ-120 could do with like 2 more degrees of it right?

formal vale Jul 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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You're not the only one. I was advocating for this a little bit last week as well lol

wind crane Jul 5, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Look at the teams... look at my shot on su 152... how am i supposed to win this game

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unique scaffold Jul 5, 2020, 7:41 PM

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@olive hawk monkey 😭🤡

vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 8:40 PM

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It's either a flank or it's a yolo into 7 unspotted tanks 🤔

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 8:53 PM

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We call that spotting for nubs ;p

If you want to show you're good at spotting for nubs, make sure to rage after you die

dapper hare Jul 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Su100m1 and su101 should have proper frontal armour buff, it's lack of gun depression and have to awkwardly get out of the place and exposing themselves, it's not even fast enough to back out after exposing for the shot, even with limited horizontal gun arcs make the ss shooting renderig useless thank to over angle instead I see many people bouncing on su-isu 152 more than this awkward tank, that why 6000 players enjoy their su152 more than 1000 players in su100m1, that line is virtually trash.

nimble zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Yeah, they could do with some armor so they can represent the 263 more

dapper hare Jul 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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263 line should represent the fast aggressive, well armoured, DPM monster TD while 268 line should represent the sniping mediocre armour that focus on DPS.

vale sun Jul 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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give them better armour but make their gun depression even worse to reinforce meme status

jagged crescent Jul 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Obj 268 is flexible, versatile. A solid all-round TD.

The 263 is... https://media1.tenor.com/images/165c9cf0d9ff8b4255efe57fcf976475/tenor.gif?itemid=14469376

dawn field Jul 5, 2020, 10:23 PM

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jagged crescent Jul 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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?

autumn zodiac Jul 5, 2020, 11:44 PM

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263 is bad, especially post Heavy buff

thick rover Jul 6, 2020, 12:37 AM

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I couldn't agree with you any further 👍
In response to bottom message,
Ah yes it has impenetrable gun manlet, it also has good gun traverse angles, mobility exceeding even the foch, and excellent HP, it's DPM is also "enough" because it has highest DPM at it's tier, the numbers don't matter as long as it's highest DPM in tier....doesn't matter if it has a turret Op tank plz nerf

sweet sluice Jul 6, 2020, 12:37 AM

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@autumn zodiac ah, yes, especially having extremely good mobility for the almost impenable armor it has. And dpm is nothing special, no. It just has the highest dpm at tier 10 for any tech tree veichle.

Yes, the Obj. 263 really needs a buff, and I am totally not sarcastic.

autumn zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Ah yes, all that DPM it can use with its gun angles, that armor on the drive wheel, sides and top of the hull, that Alpha that is beyond any expectations of trading and that mobility, who needs a turret when you are slightly less maneuverable than a medium oof yes, totally fine where it is.

Obj. 263 is so common and so annoying I'm like totally all like "Gosh Golly, I wish there were less per game."

uncut osprey Jul 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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The 263 is completely fine, it doesnt need a buff at all.(But id take one lol)

plush perch Jul 6, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Fine? You sure about that?

orchid grove Jul 6, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Basically all tier X TDs are pretty trash, but I'm fine with that

stiff edge Jul 6, 2020, 1:30 AM

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all? pretty bold statement

vale sun Jul 6, 2020, 1:31 AM

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E3 and 268 are really good

plush perch Jul 6, 2020, 1:32 AM

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@orchid grove Foch 155 wants to talk to you

lethal star Jul 6, 2020, 1:33 AM

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according to my team mates, t57 heavy is the best TD

dapper hare Jul 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Y'all talking about the 263 being untouched while the one who really need the buff are those pathetic predecessors. How ironic when you have to play with 2 (im not counting 122-54 as the one who need arnour at all, it looks so out of touch from the other) paper predecessors just to enjoy some thick front armour which is almost not different from any other td tier for tier.

thick rover Jul 6, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Su100m1 and 101 have pretty gr8 armour imo

jagged crescent Jul 6, 2020, 1:53 AM

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I don’t think any of the Tier X TDs are actually bad

nimble zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Oh hi T110E4

Oh and you WZ-113G FT

obsidian hearth Jul 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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E4 needs a buff, the T30 is probably better than the E4 tbh

uncut osprey Jul 6, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Why do people think the e4 needs a buff, its pretty good as is. Its gotta sacrifice some armor for the rotating turret. Again its fine

round bluff Jul 6, 2020, 3:10 AM

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e100 sacrifices no armor for a rotating turret

unique scaffold Jul 6, 2020, 3:12 AM

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E4s been useless forever wym

jagged crescent Jul 6, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Why not keep the armor profile and just improve the flexibility:
That itself is an indirect armor buff since improved gun depression means its easier to hide the tumor on top

uncut osprey Jul 6, 2020, 3:30 AM

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When i play it, the armor seems fine for a td. If i need to i can face hug most tanks stick my mantlet in their face and wiggle my gun at my tumor. Its not meant to brawl shot for shot with tanks.

drowsy idol Jul 6, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Start reverse sidescraping in tds

nimble zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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AH yes, reverse sidescrape in a 180 frontal turret

elder minnow Jul 6, 2020, 5:38 AM

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And the gun manlet is not impenetrable. An E100 can easily penetrate it with heat and IS-4 and E5 with 270 Heat pen as well

karmic portal Jul 6, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Reverse sidescrape in turretless td. They won’t expect it

minor minnow Jul 6, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Reverse sidescrape a badger. Carry the game

nimble zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Reverse sidescrape Pz. Stfl. IVc

alpine fossil Jul 6, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Hope they will buff the Vk4502a in the future

drowsy plaza Jul 6, 2020, 11:56 AM

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VK45.02A is a medium tank. WG just likes to mark it a heavy.

compact nymph Jul 6, 2020, 11:58 AM

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I recently rebought the tank and have no problem with it. Players should not expect every tank marked as a heavy to have impenetrable armor, especially when it’s as fast as the VK 45.02 A is. Edit: @alpine fossil Crusader was referring to how the tank plays, not how it was classified historically.

alpine fossil Jul 6, 2020, 11:58 AM

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It’s not a medium tank it was alternative to the Tiger 2@drowsy plaza

drowsy plaza Jul 6, 2020, 12:00 PM

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@alpine fossil see what @compact nymph wrote. You can’t play the A like a heavy. It’s a pretty dominant heavium though.

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Run with the meds, and wreck red mobility

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Yes that play style doesn’t fit the line, I get it. But it works very well when used that way.

compact nymph Jul 6, 2020, 12:11 PM

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I really like the tank. Running ehanced armor on it might seem an odd choice, but to me it makes a difference as, like Crusader wrote above, I run mine with the team’s meds and lights. For me it is noticeable in battle, especially when duelling against same tier medium tanks the VK bounces more. The raw dispersion is not as good as the Löwe, but it has quick aim time and very good dispersion factors. It has around 2,3k dpm aswell, which remains useful. The pen isn’t an issue for me and I rarely am forced to fire prammo in it. The tank is also very hard to circle, with 50+ degrees of traverse and over 16 effective hp/tons ratio. The turret armor isn’t the greatest but remains trollish and can get some stupid bounces. The hull can get to around ~210mm of effective armor when angled, and wiggling against high pen guns can still prove to be efficient. Just adapt your playstyle and forget about the tank being classified as a heavy.

crude nexus Jul 6, 2020, 1:04 PM

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to the developers: vk 30.01 medium tank ruins tier 6 tournaments. It's not creative. It has the ability to bounce cromwell berlin shots. So why is a tank allowed to be unquestionably the best?

cromwell has awkward shape and not ideal reverse. chaffee is a bit more fun than cromwell at times due to reverse. but then vk make them look like a joke

if any dev reads this, an extra suggestion. make the clans that have open recruitment auto turn off after x days. there's many clans spammed in that open clan search with all their ranks not playing the game since 2019. and players routinely join and discover its just a walking dead clan.

thick rover Jul 6, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Question: what is vk20.01?

crude nexus Jul 6, 2020, 1:20 PM

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okay correction vk 30.01 D medium. its seal clubbing tank if they aren't beginner

meager spruce Jul 6, 2020, 1:26 PM

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@crude nexus uuuum VK 30.01D has 60mm on its frontal plate, 50 on its sides and 40 on its rear. I don't know how you even bounce on a tank with such weak armor... especially in a cromwell b with 145mm with AP pen.... Also VK30.01D is currently the third lowest/worst performing tier 6 medium...

compact nymph Jul 6, 2020, 2:02 PM

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The Porsche prototype remains far superior. And boo-hoo, « I can’t pen some parts of a tech tree medium with my premium tank, how unfair, nerf this WG »🤡

karmic steeple Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 PM

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I think he meant the light tank but still that should be an ez pen lol

compact nymph Jul 6, 2020, 2:18 PM

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The VK 30.01 P has 75mm of hull armor at the front. Now what I’d call unpennable. However, it’s turret is pretty solid. If @crude nexus fought a VK 30.01 P in a hulldown position, then it’s him making a mistake by not repositioning and letting the VK decide the terms of the engagement. Not the VK 30.01 P being a blatantly overpowered tank. Secondly, he was driving a Cromwell B, which is 1)far from being a bad tank 2) has absolutely no downsides compared to it’s tech tree counterpart. It is already considered as one of the best mediums at T6.

drowsy plaza Jul 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I’m sorry I’m still in shock from someone in a Bromwell talking about another tier 6 med as a seal Clubber.

compact nymph Jul 6, 2020, 3:37 PM

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I do too.

autumn zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Also I think this is my first time hearing someone say the VK 30.01 (D) is anything better than bad

unique scaffold Jul 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Give the Obj. 140 one more degree of gun depression and ten more millimeters of frontal hull armor. This will balance it with the T62A as the T62A has 7 degrees of gun depression and much better gun handling stats. The Object 140 is meant to be a brawling tank, so enhancing its brawling capabilities differentiates the roles even more between both tier ten soviet mediums, and will help the Obj. 140 by no longer keeping it in the T62A's shadow.

(The Obj. 140 has slightly better mobility, but the difference is so small it barely matters).

Many people say the Obj. 140 is "fine", when in reality, the T62A obviously power creeped the 140. A small buff to what the 140 is already great at may give it a purpose again.

T62A advantages:

Better gun handling
Much better turret

Obj. 140 advantages with buff:

Better hull
Slightly better mobility

fiery dagger Jul 6, 2020, 4:30 PM

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The 140 is fine. It is just the 62A, which towers over it. I'd say nerf the 62's DPM to differentiate the two playstyles and to compensate for the perfect gun handling.

minor minnow Jul 6, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I say they’re both fine as is. Both tanks have their respective playstyles and can both perform well. It’s just the simple fact that the T62, while just fine for me pre buff, wasn’t favorable in any way

noble siren Jul 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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If people want Obj140 to be viable again, just nerf T62 you know?

minor minnow Jul 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Well that’s why it was buffed. The 140 was overplayed and the T62 didn’t perform

unique scaffold Jul 6, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Yeah well before people got the 140 for the extra degree of gun depression and a slightly better hull. T62A practically has a better hull since it can now angle it with 7 degrees of gun depression.

noble siren Jul 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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One had its functions and other one too, people just preferred the gameplay it was suited for. If the crazy buff they just Obj 140 with only good mobility

formal vale Jul 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Just give the 140 it's old turret armor and it'd be fine in the current meta

distant river Jul 6, 2020, 5:53 PM

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With the stupid heavy meta we have now the last thing we need is a nerf to a med at all despite the 140 being fairly irrelevant

noble siren Jul 6, 2020, 6:08 PM

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boo hoo heavies got +1hit points

round bluff Jul 6, 2020, 6:12 PM

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+1k* hit points

nocturne mauve Jul 6, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Some heavies didn’t need it, and the buff was extremely generous, too generous actually

distant river Jul 6, 2020, 6:19 PM

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@noble siren Boohoo now you get 6 heavies per team in ratings and games are horrifically stagnant and boring and it's literally completely against what blitz is about

noble siren Jul 6, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Better something new cause I got tired with the hulldown meta

jagged crescent Jul 6, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Never had 6 heavies per team before

round bluff Jul 6, 2020, 6:24 PM

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lol tired of hulldown meta? e5 and is4 spam isnt hulldown meta?

distant river Jul 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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5 heavies is common, especially at lower ratings, 6 heavies isn't that rare and 7 still happens occasionally but generally at tier 8

@noble siren It wasn't a hulldown meta at all lmao and if anything now it's even worse hulldown meta 😂 Every single battle is literally just attrition between the heavies with the meds trying (and commonly failing) do something slightly useful

pine jetty Jul 6, 2020, 6:58 PM

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odd tendon Jul 6, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Buff m48 pls
stb completely outclasses m48

fiery dagger Jul 6, 2020, 8:08 PM

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The M48 still feels more comfortable to me for some reason😅 But agreed, a slight turret cheek buff would be appreciated

waxen sluice Jul 6, 2020, 8:48 PM

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E

odd tendon Jul 6, 2020, 9:06 PM

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M48 has third most potato gun in t10 with awful dpm, trash in general and mediocre at best gun handling topped by being one of the slowest t10 meds

fiery dagger Jul 6, 2020, 9:10 PM

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That awful dpm is literally the same as the STB-1.

vernal oyster Jul 6, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Give the T28 more side armor and *m a y b e more armor on its commanders cupolas as well

odd tendon Jul 6, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Stb dpm is useable because it has much better gun handling

meager spruce Jul 6, 2020, 9:52 PM

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@vernal oyster uum no one aims at the hatches so buffing them wouldn't make much of a difference... every single t8 heavy tank (maybe apart fro the T32) just load gold and go through the frontal plate without issues

nimble zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 9:57 PM

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I shoot the hatches

distant river Jul 6, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Without CS and at the best possible angle for the T28 against a T32

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round bluff Jul 6, 2020, 10:02 PM

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That is laughably weak for a tank that goes 20km

meager spruce Jul 6, 2020, 10:05 PM

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even a T32 can butcher it.... so yeah, if you are in a tier 8 heavy (which t28 will most likely be up against as it is too slow to go with the mediums) just shoot the front plate and don't even bother aiming

nimble zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Well I think the trade between time aiming vs damage loss isn't worth the credits :p

I'm a stingy boi

meager spruce Jul 6, 2020, 10:15 PM

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lets say you are in a russian heavy as they are the most common sight in tier 8. They are not known to have the good accuracy sooo

would you aim with standard ammo at a hatch you could potentially miss or hit another spot on the tank from which you would bounce, while you are exposing yourself for quite a while, or
would you load prammo aim somehwere on the gigantic lower plate which will take half of your aiming circle (meaning that you have 50% of hitting and penning) snapshotting, while exposing for very little.

nimble zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 10:25 PM

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I mean... I do use T-2020 which has quite nice accuracy for the group it's in, so +accuracy, and also I just use Lowe when I play tier 8 for credits, aka ++++++accuracy

nocturne mauve Jul 6, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Stop with these dumb stupid broken premiums, smh the action x is better than Caernarvon in every single way, it can even sidescrape too!

These new premiums have been pissing me off so much man, all people do is brainlessly spam them in platoons, how am I gonna build my WR fairly because of this? Exactly, there’s no damn point

formal vale Jul 6, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Chimera is basically just a better T-34-2

round bluff Jul 6, 2020, 10:57 PM

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And a better t-34-3

jagged crescent Jul 6, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Eh. The T-34-#’s are both smaller in profile and have a tougher turret. The Chimera just has better firepower and upper plate armor.

karmic steeple Jul 6, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Chimera has the best wr rn even beating out 252 if I remember correctly

nimble zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Yep, it's the best tier 8 in terms of WR, given that it isn't in testing or isn't the IS-6 Fearless which only the top ratings players have

autumn zodiac Jul 6, 2020, 11:53 PM

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*And people who rigged Clan Wars 2 beyond belief

round bluff Jul 6, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Imagine not buying the fearless for free using the gift shop

jagged crescent Jul 7, 2020, 2:29 AM

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huh?

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 2:49 AM

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a certain council member told clans in leagues outside of his own to attack a particular clan, thereby feeding that clan massive amounts of points

round bluff Jul 7, 2020, 4:10 AM

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dab life you're just upset your clan couldnt play good enough to win it...

jagged crescent Jul 7, 2020, 4:17 AM

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What does clan skill have to do with foul play?

round bluff Jul 7, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Well they could have angled and sidescraped and aimed better

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Pls give the e4 7degrees of gundepretion 6degrees suck so Hard the e3 has 8 and has insane Amor e4has 6 and ok Amor the Copular is ezzz pen

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 6:21 AM

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any american tank with less than 8° of gun depression is a travesty

nimble zodiac Jul 7, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Chrysler K moment

wicked oracle Jul 7, 2020, 6:44 AM

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I sold the kpz

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 7:09 AM

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kpz is a very awkward tank with the gun angles. i did not like it

plush perch Jul 7, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Challenger buff when?

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 8:35 AM

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superpeshing buff?

gleaming apexBOT Jul 7, 2020, 10:11 AM

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dynoSuccess dab life#8400 has been warned.

coarse dawn Jul 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Please buff the IS7 reload time. The gun is an embarrassment
It's like it has all the problems of a large calibre gun and none of the benefits

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Makes sense. Considering the IS7 project, the 130mm gun was supposed to be an autoloader. Autoloader without clip. It takes this long time because the system is primitive. But in real tests the 130mm gun would reload in 8-9s...

coarse dawn Jul 7, 2020, 12:38 PM

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2.5 extra secs for only +40 alpha is not a fair deal

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 2:09 PM

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buff panther/m10
its literally the same with panther I
only has more hitpoints (30 more)
and a lower firerate (0.5 seconds less)
and somehow its a premium tank? and its not that cheap too? damn

amber pivot Jul 7, 2020, 2:11 PM

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T 34 , t 29 and T 30 pls nerf the armour cheeks the turret is so broken pls nerf them. Also forgot to mention in my ** opinion**

plush perch Jul 7, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Wtf, t34 and t30 is not broken at all, t29 is op and no need to buy panther m /10

full token Jul 7, 2020, 2:19 PM

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The turret is pretty much what the T34 and T30 have for armor. The hulls aren’t much good, can be penned quite easily. Angling the hull makes the sides easy to pen since the sides aren’t any good

amber pivot Jul 7, 2020, 2:21 PM

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It’s mainly the t 34 I hate to me the turret armour is way too strong. Plus it barely has an hatch. Also the gun is just amazing. The turret is just broken in my opinion

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 2:26 PM

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They have a chassis that is made of butter. Don't fight then hull down. Problem solved.

full token Jul 7, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I find that the cheeks can be penned if the turret is turned and the cheeks flattened. So try to get a different angle on them if they go hulldown. The cupola is still a good weakspot and often used

plush perch Jul 7, 2020, 2:34 PM

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First of all

Why are you challenging hulldown ht?

uncut osprey Jul 7, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Only cowards flank around heavytanks.

frigid monolith Jul 7, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Or, you know, anybody that doesn’t like facehugging a Maus in a Leo 1

lone warren Jul 7, 2020, 3:20 PM

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It’s mainly the t 34 I hate to me the turret armour is way too strong. Plus it barely has an hatch. Also the gun is just amazing. The turret is just broken in my opinion
Trying to fight a hulldown t29/t34 does not make the turret broken. The tank is being played to its strength.
If they aren’t using gun depression, the cupola can be hit if you have enough accuracy. If you have high penetration, you can hit the cheeks. If you have neither, stop trying to challenge them hulldown.
All 3 tanks have poor hull armour, mix that with sluggish mobility and its not hard to force them to reveal their hull.
The only slight exception is the T29, which can bounce lower tier, low caliber guns off the upper plate - but tanks with those guns tend to have mobility to flank it @amber pivot

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Nerf T92E1 pen to be like T49 cuz getting 600 damage out a moving light shooting at your frontal amor while on a 45.02 B feels like you aint heavy

autumn zodiac Jul 7, 2020, 3:25 PM

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How are you even having that happen with its 210 APCR Penetration?

~~Thanks Isaac~~

coarse harness Jul 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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*210

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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I dont even know, it just gets past the amor like butter, 45 B used to be so good before missiles got in the game

autumn zodiac Jul 7, 2020, 3:42 PM

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45 B hasn't been good since 2015

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Who @ me

oak raptor Jul 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Give action x HESH pls. Not fair when light tank got cheap hesh

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 4:17 PM

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^yes, the HE is worthless on action x

hearty steeple Jul 7, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Yeah lets just give one of the strongest tank in the tier HESH. What could possibly go wrong

vestal kelp Jul 7, 2020, 5:32 PM

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The AX is already too good in it's current state in my opinion so don't make it even more broken

nocturne mauve Jul 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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And they actually buffed its HP for some weird reason

round bluff Jul 7, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Profit

jagged crescent Jul 7, 2020, 5:55 PM

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This has literally nothing to do with foul play.
Asking for HESH on the AX is both unneeded and dumb.

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vale sun Jul 7, 2020, 6:22 PM

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If you think ax needs a buff you are a poo poo head /
T28 is still really bad. However, the T95 deserves some love as well, tanks can load gold and butter the lower half of the tank

lone warren Jul 7, 2020, 6:29 PM

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t28 and t95 need their lower plates buffed

gleaming arch Jul 7, 2020, 6:55 PM

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I think they're enough solid. I can hardly penetrate it in my IS-7 running CS

real bison Jul 7, 2020, 6:57 PM

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well that’s because its an IS-7?

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 7:03 PM

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i paid 15k gold for a tank so i better get my 15k gold's worth

nocturne mauve Jul 7, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Just from that I can tell you’re a terrible player

acoustic shard Jul 7, 2020, 7:55 PM

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the t95 needs no armor buffs It's it's already impossible to pen frontally For most tier 8s. Aside from the hatches your near unpennable frontally in a tier 8 battle. some mobility would help it out though

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 8:09 PM

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15k gold is like twice as much as lowe so action x should be twice as good as lowe

turbid ridge Jul 7, 2020, 8:25 PM

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the turret kinda is, Lowe has weak cheeks, Action X hulldown has 0 weak spots

coarse harness Jul 7, 2020, 8:36 PM

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They sold the Loza's Sherman for more than 20K gold so it should be immortal in T6🤯

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 8:47 PM

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lowe mantlet is impenetrable while action x is if you have more than 270mm of pen and action x has a more prominent cupola

latent snow Jul 7, 2020, 8:48 PM

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action x hulldown has 0 weak spots... action x has a fat cupola that can be HEd

round bluff Jul 7, 2020, 8:53 PM

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that copula is anything but fat. Wanna talk turret weakspots, the cheiftain95 is waiting for you, with half the pen and none of the dpm.

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 8:53 PM

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@turbid ridge commanders hatch is a glaring weak spot on the CAX.

turbid ridge Jul 7, 2020, 8:55 PM

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if the tank is moving at all... the chances of hitting it are low

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Same can be said for any tank hulldown. If they're playing well, you should be playing smart as well. Improving your aim should be on your bucket list.

lone warren Jul 7, 2020, 9:07 PM

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The cupola isnt that hard to hit. You can go straight through the mantlet if you have like 260mm of pen.
Ideally, you shouldn’t be challenging a hulldown AX anyway. Make it reveal its weak british hull

hidden quest Jul 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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The dpm of amx30b needs a buff in my opinion, it’s one of the worst dpm medium compared with all other tier 10 medium tanks. But the overall performance in this tank is great.

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 9:12 PM

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If the dpm would be buffed it would be a bit unbalanced

nimble zodiac Jul 7, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Lol if your HE is like 40mm+ pen then you can HE Action X hulldown

oak raptor Jul 7, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Exactly. That’s why ax need a buff

lone warren Jul 7, 2020, 9:52 PM

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The AX already has good penetration, high DPM and heavium mobility.

nimble zodiac Jul 7, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I’m the 30th best AX player for all time, yet I don’t even play it to the best of its capabilities, give Caernarvon something. Consumables/provisions won’t cut it. AX is just Caer’s bigger brother

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Caenarvon has op speed boost, very very good addition, which helps it fit into its role more. Action X should also get it; it's not a straight buff because it sacrifices a repair and it makes the tank live up more to its potential for being a mobile heavy and medium hunter.

unique scaffold Jul 7, 2020, 10:31 PM

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You do know action X has 1k horsepower right

nocturne mauve Jul 7, 2020, 10:32 PM

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What? Why? The action x is broken

compact nymph Jul 7, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Shhh, anyways people will keep complaining as long as the premium heavy they paid money for is not invincible when standing in the open

round bluff Jul 7, 2020, 10:33 PM

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The caernarvon has also been in the game longer so its more experienced while the Action X is new and awkward.

odd tendon Jul 7, 2020, 10:39 PM

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action x only goes 36km/h which is pretty pitiful for a supposed heavium

nimble zodiac Jul 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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awkward?

odd sandal Jul 7, 2020, 11:24 PM

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asking for a buff on a already well performing heavy?, its better than the caer, it has a turret that is effective as well. And the t34 has a strong turret as well, it also has mediocre speed

oak raptor Jul 7, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Then why does chimera get special consumable but not ax?

nimble zodiac Jul 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Cuz honestly all Chimera has is a decent turret and the highest damaging tier 8 med gun

regal grove Jul 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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when y'all don't realize you're getting got

nocturne mauve Jul 8, 2020, 12:25 AM

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AX is so broken, it can even sidescrape which the Caernarvon can’t, and it’s much harder to pen through the tracks of the AX

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I mean Action X has a 90mm side thickness, and a far more armored turret rounding (not to mention the 401mm turret underside 🤔 ) as Caernarvon has 51mm sides, and the turret rounding is also 51mm, allowing the ISU-152 to HE PENETRATE it

olive hawk Jul 8, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Yes, giving Action X the consumables sounds like an incredible idea

sour comet Jul 8, 2020, 1:37 AM

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What if make smasher a tier 8 tank rather tier 7

stiff edge Jul 8, 2020, 1:41 AM

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no its a tier 10 wym

storm hatch Jul 8, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Give smasher reticle calibration

drowsy idol Jul 8, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Give fv 183 reticle calibration already

odd tendon Jul 8, 2020, 1:47 AM

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no, smasher aim is pretty quick already. reticle calibration would be op. i propose instead speed boost because smasher is very slow.

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Engine boost exists that’s all you’ll get

pastel cairn Jul 8, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Give it an autoreloader

(This is a joke pls don’t roast me)

jagged crescent Jul 8, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Your joke is bad and you should feel bad

pastel cairn Jul 8, 2020, 2:27 AM

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I know

frail silo Jul 8, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Nerf T92E1 pen to be like T49 cuz getting 600 damage out a moving light shooting at your frontal amor while on a 45.02 B feels like you aint heavy
@unique scaffold how do you get penetrated frontally in a fricking 45.02 B from a tank with 210 pen?
also
how the heck do you want the t92e1 to play with 152mm pen

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Missiles probably

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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@frail silo 50mm plate overmatch given enhanced armor isn't used for VK B, each side above the tracks and below the upper front plate, ouchy

cunning sun Jul 8, 2020, 5:05 AM

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who said tiger 2 op

plush trellis Jul 8, 2020, 5:06 AM

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👀

stiff edge Jul 8, 2020, 5:07 AM

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U

cunning sun Jul 8, 2020, 5:20 AM

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nope

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 5:24 AM

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me lmao moment

lunar ruin Jul 8, 2020, 6:19 AM

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How do we feel about that KV-4 buff?!👀 I don’t know about you guys, but the tank performs quite well already..

vale sun Jul 8, 2020, 6:27 AM

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literally the only thing it has rn is good side armour, a deserved buff
It only works against inexperienced players who don't know about the horrid turret armour and the weak lower plate

compact nymph Jul 8, 2020, 6:32 AM

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How do we feel about that KV-4 buff?!👀 I don’t know about you guys, but the tank performs quite well already..
It doesn’t. The KV-4 is nothing but a russian and failed Tiger II. The only upsides the KV-4 has are some side armor, and gun wise a whopping 2mm better pen with 10 more alpha. Literally everything else is worse than the Tiger II.

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 6:41 AM

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The accuracy in my experience is horrid, I think the gun would let the armor buff down, being unable to outtrade heavily armored targets

thick rover Jul 8, 2020, 7:02 AM

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DPM is ...

sage geyser Jul 8, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Buff these following tanks:
Su 122 44
Kpz70
Centurion mk3
Centurion 7/1
Fv4202
At8
Conqueror
Su101
Vindicator
M26

plush perch Jul 8, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Su 122 44 is fine , Buff challenger

formal vale Jul 8, 2020, 7:54 AM

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SU-122-44:

Better aim time
Increase traverse speed

Kpz-70:

Increase HE damage (640 -> 780)

Cent 1:

Increase turret armor
Increase top speed to 50kph

Cent 7/1:

Increase top speed to 50kph

FV4202:

Slightly buff the turret

All tanks leading up to the Tortoise:

Buff hull armor
Leave the cupolas alone

Conqueror:

Buff the turret armor

SU-101:

No buff needed

Vindicator and WZ-120:

Increase gun depression to 5°

M26 Pershing:

Increase pen to 205mm
Slightly increase DPM

@sage geyser

lunar ruin Jul 8, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Well, I don’t know how you guys are playing it, but I have 119 battles and 62% WR in it... sidescrapping is great, and I played it upfront, wiggling the hull and turret side-to-side to get bounces off of the cupola. I loved the gun for its consistency.

It is god awfully slow, and stock grind on it was absolutely rage inducing.

All of this is just my opinion/experience. I’m all for the buff though!

Overall, I enjoyed the tank and still have it in my garage when the IS, VK-playstyles get boring.

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 8:24 AM

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I would like an hp increase for the T30, same chasis and turret as T34 but 250 less hit points feels weird to me, even tho its a TD an not a heavy

full token Jul 8, 2020, 8:26 AM

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That’s because they gave the hp buff for heavies rather than the TDs

slate perch Jul 8, 2020, 8:59 AM

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taste of water depends on its temperature

latent snow Jul 8, 2020, 10:05 AM

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The 7/1 is awesome why does it need a buff

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 11:23 AM

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This is fair HECK no vickers to scout while idk where tf it is and a missle tank..

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distant river Jul 8, 2020, 11:45 AM

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@unique scaffold Read the pinned messages

sudden path Jul 8, 2020, 1:26 PM

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@sage geyser
The conqueror doesn't need a buff, it's a great tank.

karmic steeple Jul 8, 2020, 1:27 PM

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It kinda does. The turret armor really falls apart easily

full token Jul 8, 2020, 1:28 PM

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It’s got a very nice gun and all those consumables

acoustic shard Jul 8, 2020, 1:58 PM

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The Vickers is like the t92 all over again. Something can't be that Fast and still have the armor to bounce shots from the big guns. it needs to ether move slower and keep the armor or have most of the hull armor and turret armor removed and keep the speed.

sudden path Jul 8, 2020, 2:04 PM

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The difference between the Vickers cr and the launch t92 is one, missiles, but second, the armour on the hull was way to angled. The t92 could bounce shots because of the extreme angles on the tank. That was rectified, and now the t92 is more balanced now. A light tank with he proof front armour can be balanced, look at the t54 lightweight. The only part of the tank that can bounce is the mantlet on the Vickers. Yes the Vickers is broken, but its nowhere near the smashing of the meta that the t92 brought.

full token Jul 8, 2020, 2:38 PM

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These lights aren’t as strong as the American lights were at the start

acoustic shard Jul 8, 2020, 2:52 PM

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That's not the point. There was no comparisons drown to the missile's you just added that. And of course we were talking about the t92 post nerfs and not as it is now. It's about the armor for how Fast the tank can move. That aspect is very similar to the t92 and should be Dialed back in one of the two ways mentioned in the comment I made above.

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I see only the mantlet as a problem

sudden path Jul 8, 2020, 2:58 PM

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The Vickers is actually quite slow compared to the rest of the line. I'm not arguing that the cr needs a nerf, because it does, but it's pretty balanced other than the fact it has a double thickness mantlet.

jagged crescent Jul 8, 2020, 4:00 PM

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The mantlet’s an issue. The Leo PTA is practically obsolete in comparison

swift reef Jul 8, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Hmm how is a T9 better than a T10 🤔

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I'd love to see the Vickers CR try to rip apart a russian med or an STB

stiff edge Jul 8, 2020, 4:32 PM

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It can
heard of HE?
the only time it would suffer is a straight up dpm brawl
But then you would expect any tank to die against a russian med
STB could be a different story since it has less dpm, and the sides are probably easier to get since the tank is longer

round bluff Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Lol pta has been obsolete since type 61 got a buff.
Then they released the standard b and the pta went six feet under.
Now with the vickers cr in play wg might as well remove the pta.

sweet prism Jul 8, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Vickers light 105 doesn't make tier 10 meds look irrelevent
vickers CR does that to tier 9 meds...no reason to play any of them except maybe standard b over it.

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Eh, there's still turret armor as a choice

jagged crescent Jul 8, 2020, 5:21 PM

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The Vicker CR has better turret armor than almost all of the Tier 9 meds.

@nimble zodiac The americans don't have a mantlet, the chinese turret is unsuable because of the lack of gun depression, the e50's 180mm is flat, the 7/1 has an unreliable mantlet that's pennable straight through the front and doesn't cover the turret ring, top, or sides which is completely paper, assuming u can even hide that absolute barn of a hull. PTA's a PTA

I stand by almost all of the Tier 9 meds. Because the russian mediums are the only ones that I consider have better protection

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Better than M46 Patton? T54E1? Assuming you meant almost when you thought of T-54? E 50? Cent 7/1? T 55A? WZ-120?

nocturne mauve Jul 8, 2020, 5:31 PM

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AMX 30 1er

jagged crescent Jul 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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The surrouding turret armor is stronger.
And the M46 mantlet cover's as much of the front as my boxers do

And at least the Vicker's mantlet isn't going to get penned straight through the front.

That's why I said almost

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Pretty sure M46 Patton has a gun mantlet ._.

You say how unprotected the area around the gun mantlets are yet Vickers doesn't sport strong surrounding armor either, yes it's excessive for a light but not that good

stiff edge Jul 8, 2020, 5:38 PM

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i mean
id say im a decent player
but i bounced an entire heat clip in the BC against its mantlet
i aimed for the cheeks btw
was a killshot
i got pretty mad lol

storm hatch Jul 8, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Just make the mantlet smaller=problem solved

drowsy idol Jul 8, 2020, 5:56 PM

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SU-122-44:

Better aim time

Increase traverse speed

Kpz-70:

Increase HE damage (640 -> 780)

Cent 1:

Increase turret armor

Increase top speed to 50kph

Cent 7/1:

Increase top speed to 50kph

FV4202:

Slightly buff the turret

All tanks leading up to the Tortoise:

Buff hull armor

Leave the cupolas alone

Conqueror:

Buff the turret armor

SU-101:

No buff needed

Vindicator and WZ-120:

Increase gun depression to 5°

M26 Pershing:

Increase pen to 205mm

Slightly increase DPM
Better off give ho ri high explosive a buff too

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 6:00 PM

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People still shoot the hull of AT tanks? xD

vale sun Jul 8, 2020, 6:04 PM

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@nimble zodiac Do you mean the M46 stock turret? lmao
The top M46 turret is very very weak

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 6:06 PM

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What would be the point in the T-54 if the WZ-120 gets 5 degrees of gun depression?

lone warren Jul 8, 2020, 6:06 PM

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People still shoot the hull of AT tanks? xD
Sometimes its actually easier to hit the hull. If you have enough penetration, but you are at range, shooting something like the lower hull of an AT15 might be easier than the cupola. Or maybe the cupola is hidden or something if they are smart, or they do it by accident

vale sun Jul 8, 2020, 6:38 PM

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I shoot the machine gun port sometimes

formal vale Jul 8, 2020, 7:16 PM

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@nimble zodiac I'm mainly talking about removing the weakspots on the hull. The Tortoise's hull is so easy to pen. The AT-15 has a few areas on the hull as well that can be penned (namely the lack of a gun mantlet). I just feel bad for people playing those tanks where almost everywhere is easily penned, not just the cupolas.

unborn timber Jul 8, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Make the AMX 30B credit ratio higher because the penetration is trash so it forces you to use APCR then you lose credits event when you win

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 7:41 PM

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oki somehow a vickers waaaay across the map spots my hole team and i then the t92 roooooockets a missle from my right and then is 5 gets a free meal on left because he vickers spots me, im trying to hide my sides at front because there on all sides so it looks like im in a bad angle but im protecting myself

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 10:05 PM

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@formal vale why yes, any tank firing AP would need only about 220mm of penetration to go through many parts of the hull, I would agree for an AT15 and Tortiose armor buff, but not the lower three.

About lacking a gun mantlet, it has one, but like quite a few other tanks there's a 0mm plate behind it, so only a 76-127mm mantlet

formal vale Jul 8, 2020, 10:06 PM

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true

orchid grove Jul 8, 2020, 10:46 PM

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@unborn timber For what it's worth, APCR is the standard ammo on the 30b

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Maybe he meant AMX 301er prot.?
Even then the standard penetration is preferable for their class, and 30 B has excellent penetration for its class.

The only medium tier 10 tanks that exceed 30B's penetration are the Leo 1 and the FV4202, both are questionable in the meta, with American meds at a tie, which are also questionable

round bluff Jul 8, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Completely average

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Mk6 needs a longer reload 400 dmg 8s reload and its fast its like Badger i guess but with more weak spots and much faster and its a HT at least make it slower there are so many of them in battles now its too good you guys play the game so you would have some idea of what i am trying to say

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Mk6 has terrible penetration for a heavy and has pretty weak armor with the strongest parts being the front of the turret and upper front plate and even then it will get overmatched many times @nimble zodiac the 260mm is average but keep in mind it’s APCR it’s lower than it appears

nimble zodiac Jul 8, 2020, 11:29 PM

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I find 260mm perfectly usable ._.

round bluff Jul 8, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Mk6 gun is super wonky. Nowhere near as reliable as the numbers suggest.

unique scaffold Jul 8, 2020, 11:38 PM

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k then

sick plover Jul 8, 2020, 11:54 PM

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buff 263

thick rover Jul 9, 2020, 12:07 AM

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^

nocturne mauve Jul 9, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Do it

plush perch Jul 9, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Everyone wants chieftain mark 6 royal cuz it looks smexy

olive sorrel Jul 9, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Indeeeddd

cold ruin Jul 9, 2020, 1:48 AM

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T95E6 gang

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 1:57 AM

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what kind of a half furry abomination are you?

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 2:22 AM

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No questions, only buffing SP I C >:)

mild imp Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Can we give the T-2020 the proper ST-I turret?
And this is another option, turn it into an auto-reloader and slow down the shell ejection animation to match the inter-clip reload

jagged crescent Jul 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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I'm down for the actual ST-1 turret

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Same

pallid widget Jul 9, 2020, 8:59 AM

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will the is8 get a buff somewhen? I think after 6 years it is slowly getting time to do this....

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btw the same can be said about at15, tortoise, t28 and t28 prot

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 9:13 AM

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IS-8 is more of a hard-hitting medium than a heavy, I think it works fine

vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Do you guys think the Maus needs a cheek buff? even if you angle the turret proberly it ain´t working that well the rest is ok in my opinion even if the pen sucks quite a bit still ok

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Not rly because when u know how to sidescrave with Maus then u are nearly 100% impenetrable

vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 10:30 AM

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sidescrapping has nothing to do with the maus cheeks you literally just expose your side at the same angle as the turret and not show the cheeks

pallid widget Jul 9, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Not rly because when u know how to sidescrave with Maus then u are nearly 100% impenetrable
@unique scaffold not with gold

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 11:35 AM

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Yes I know

floral palm Jul 9, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Please buff140

civic scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:16 PM

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CR stronk lmao
i mean I've been loving it, but it kinda needs some nerf

willow junco Jul 9, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Nerf is coming to Vickers

still adder Jul 9, 2020, 12:17 PM

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probably nerfing all of the british lights

restive narwhal Jul 9, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Brace yourself
nerf is coming

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reef lintel Jul 9, 2020, 12:18 PM

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tHe ViCKeRs 1o5 is oP

teal token Jul 9, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Just look at the British light tanks on #devs-answers .. Now We all Sure they need to get a little bit nerfs( Specially in Armor ). @unique scaffold U r right but I got them too and i'm sayin they have op Armor

proper onyx Jul 9, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Reduce dpm of Brit lights. Keep mobility.

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Don't jump to conclusions when a brand new tank is being played by some of the best players who had free XP saved up to get straight to it.

hollow oasis Jul 9, 2020, 12:21 PM

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^
its the same as every new lines

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Balance charts can be very misleading when they are first released. we need to see how these tanks perform one or two months down the line not immediately after they come out

kind mortar Jul 9, 2020, 12:22 PM

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i have to agree that the new light tank lineup is pretty strong, the tier 10 is already balanced as it is, but the tier 8 and tier 9 is still in a grey area, the tier 8 is definitely one of the best fast tank to use, it humiliates the centurion 1 in every aspect, a slight reduction on gun handling and side armour woule be excellent, the tier 9 i have to agree it's pretty strong as it is right now, to sum up we can spot the problems we had with the t92, trollish armor, speed and too much damage (350 alpha is not bad for something that can go that fast with that gun mavoureability)

full token Jul 9, 2020, 12:24 PM

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If any nerf, it’d be 7.2 or later

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:25 PM

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I've played them as well. The armor is good. I'm by no means saying if the tanks are or are not balanced. I am saying that looking at a chart that is based off of a tank that was just released being played by players who most likely immensely enjoy light tanks and are very good at them is misleading. Also keep in mind that good light players are in short supply so if they've all moved from one tank to another it only makes sense that the stats for the tank that they moved away from may decline somewhat while the tank that they move towards will increase.

muted rampart Jul 9, 2020, 12:25 PM

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imo vk 45 02 A, vk 30 01/02 D, sta 1 and leo PTA needs buff

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:26 PM

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i just think the tank itself can just give is turret and nothing happens

graceful garden Jul 9, 2020, 12:26 PM

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That Vickers CR stat though. Safe to say that it's slightly overcooked, though not quite as much as some people want to believe.

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:27 PM

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I agree

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Mostly I just feel bad for the Cent 1. First the MK1 now the 301. Poor Cent 1 can't catch a break.

restive narwhal Jul 9, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Those statistics do not indicate that British LT line is is OP.
As Spartacus pointed out, we don't know what are the average statistics (wr etc.) of those players who have researched the entire line. Also on this chart we don't see the number of players surveyed, so it's worth to keep in mind that the chart doesn't reflect the real situation in 100%.

As i said before, the only reasonable nerf i see would be decreasing alpha on Vicker Cr (tier 9)

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:37 PM

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the 9 is super strong but the tier 10 is not that much since there are more tanks who can pen the vickers armor so its more skill based than the tier 9 and i just say this because for me who plays with amx and sees one of these just giving the turret you know you are dead or you do just 300 dmg since you are using he. Idk if everyone agrees but i think the tank itself has its own skillcap but after that the winrate on your matches goes up cause you just do the same over and over again.
I do also believe the light british itself should have their own gamplay because we see a lot of light tanks with diferent playstiles. But i also say they should never be so consistent in their gameplay, that they need to have some tipe of adaptation in their gameplay he is a lot of fun but you almost always are doing the same thing if you want to play safe and not be there to have a blast (while playing well of course).
I think in general this could be a nice news for people who are light mains cause they have now the knowledge that even if you are an light you can carry a team, no matter the tank you are using (sorry if its mispelled or with poor gramar but english is not my primary language)

sweet remnant Jul 9, 2020, 12:37 PM

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I sense fun police coming in 😄

karmic dock Jul 9, 2020, 12:39 PM

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the tanks are crazy strong,
BUT only in skillful hands,
thus they are not actually OP,
these tanks need careful and thoughtful driving,

solemn aurora Jul 9, 2020, 12:40 PM

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They’re powerful but not game breaking, much like the IS4 currently is and unlike the 252U and the pre nerf sheridian which were completely upsetting the balance. The higher stats are just due to the fact that they’re new.

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 12:41 PM

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i think Smasher should be nerfed

harsh oriole Jul 9, 2020, 1:34 PM

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vickers is destroying everything. Who wouldve thought 🥱

dusky cedar Jul 9, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Buff the centurian I and su 101

hidden fox Jul 9, 2020, 1:50 PM

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I just got pingged, why?

karmic steeple Jul 9, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Definitely would wait on these light tanks tier 9 is probably safe to say is overcooked but these tanks are definitely not as bad as american missile tanks on first release

indigo knot Jul 9, 2020, 1:55 PM

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I wish Leo Pta gets some buff....has been powercrept since Standard b introduction and now Vickers is what Leo wants to be

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Guys please wait before saying it needs nerfing. All the good players free xp to it first so the wr is really high. It will go down within 1-2 updates

sudden path Jul 9, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Vickers cr winrate destroying everything at tier 9... I'm pulling 10 percent above my average winrate in cr

dusky cedar Jul 9, 2020, 2:42 PM

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U should be happy

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 2:50 PM

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ye lmao

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im grinding sherman firefly to get the vickers line

empty copper Jul 9, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Mostly I just feel bad for the Cent 1. First the MK1 now the 301. Poor Cent 1 can't catch a break.
@unique scaffold With one exception, Cent 1 has been in the bottom 4 of tier VIII mediums since version 5.8 - and most of that time it's been 2nd last. Be interesting to see if the RAAC Centurion 5/1 is a straight upgrade, like the Defender Mk 1 (or the Action X vs Caernarvon). Can't imagine anyone paying for it if it's as awful as the Cent 1!

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 3:10 PM

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(OBJ. 140) or (T62A?)

autumn zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 3:14 PM

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T-62A

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Both

jagged crescent Jul 9, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Both

bold dagger Jul 9, 2020, 3:36 PM

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everyone that said the Vic Cruiser isn’t OP 👁️ 👄 👁️

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 3:36 PM

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I’m smiling a bit since I called no one is talking about vickers light as they said they would

autumn zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Same ^^^

digital kestrel Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 PM

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💯

unique scaffold Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Is-4 or bc 25 t

autumn zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 3:50 PM

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IS-4

vale sun Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Vickers Light seems to be a bit too high on the damage charts 👀
Also please don't nerf the E3 before I get my hands on it please

storm hatch Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Vickers nerf confirmed

shell pawn Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 PM

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that tier 9 vickers looks just fine in terms of balance

wanton comet Jul 9, 2020, 4:46 PM

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obj140 needs a buff compared to the t62a its bad, worse turret arrmor and worse gun depression

jagged crescent Jul 9, 2020, 5:04 PM

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They both have good turret armor. The 140 has a better hull and it has better shell normalization.

Git gud

prisma cipher Jul 9, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Smasher needs nerf it makes too much damage to low-armored tanks like T49 and LTTB

rocky frigate Jul 9, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Hey there, I think Löwe needs an side armor buff (like tiger ll) Who agree/don’t agree please react thumbs up or down

tropic totem Jul 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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+1 because lowe is weak compeare to tiger 2

distant river Jul 9, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Lowe is great how it is now 🤦‍♀️

The tiger 2 is broken that doesn't justify making the lowe the same 🤦‍♀️

full token Jul 9, 2020, 5:46 PM

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If the Tiger is strong it doesn’t mean you buff another tank up to that level. The tiger can be nerfed if it’s strong. The lowe won’t be nerfed if they overdo it, because it’s a premium

rocky frigate Jul 9, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I mean, the problem with lowe is because its too weak to HE

jagged crescent Jul 9, 2020, 6:07 PM

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You’re gonna have to be more specific when u just say weak to HE. A lot of tanks are weak to HE. Maybe the Tiger II’s overcooked so that’s why it handles HE a little better.

minor minnow Jul 9, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Dam the Cruiser performs

scarlet fjord Jul 9, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Idk what you were thinking giving E3 that consumable but as you can see it completely outclasses the other tanks at its tier in terms of damage and win rate so stop buffing the wrong tanks FV4202 needs buff for example E4 needs buff not E3
IS-6 10mm of armor buff isnt enough to make it relevant its only positive trait is armor and even that is mediocre cuz its so old compared to the power creeping you've been doing with tanks like Celestials being sold

jagged crescent Jul 9, 2020, 8:04 PM

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wait until the armor buffs until u make ur statement

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Do you guys think the Maus needs a cheek buff? even if you angle the turret proberly it ain´t working that well the rest is ok in my opinion even if the pen sucks quite a bit still ok
@vestal kelp hell no.

jagged crescent Jul 9, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I agree, angle better

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 8:30 PM

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I think (wow I actually pressed enter, I feel dumb) that the armor buff would help it fight off RNG shots a bit more, and especially from distance

WOW someone actually tried to buff the great credit printer and sniper that is the Lowe, oh how they will see what Lowe offers after enough battles

vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I agree, angle better ok show me how to angle it I´m just doing it like everyone suggests it to do but yeah

minor minnow Jul 9, 2020, 8:33 PM

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There’s only a certain amount of angling you can do until it becomes useless and you’re actually weakening your armor

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 8:35 PM

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@vestal kelp Like this. Beware of that area connecting the upper plate to the side armor, that's only 233mm. Be sure to wiggle and hide your lower plate whenever possible.

Edit: Also beware of the track wheels, they can often get penned and therein lose you some HP.

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stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 8:41 PM

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your lower plate is stronger than your cheeks
maybe not in thickness
but many more people shoot cheeks instead of lower plate

vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 8:43 PM

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@vestal kelp Like this. Beware of that area connecting the upper plate to the side armor, that's only 233mm. Be sure to wiggle and hide your lower plate whenever possible.

Edit: Also beware of the track wheels, they can often get penned and therein lose you some HP.
@formal vale that´s how I literally angle don´t think that I´m one of those guys in the maus which think that it is an impenetrable wall without doing stuff. This is how I angle the turret you have like overall 350mm but idk still get penned in the turret probably because heat gives a damn about angleing the most time

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turbid ridge Jul 9, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Thank you WG for SP1C Buff :3

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 8:46 PM

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So wiggle. Keep moving. That's all you have to do. If your enemy is penning your weak spots it's generally because you're allowing them to do so. @vestal kelp

orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 8:52 PM

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@stiff edge Thanks to the new shell holes, I now know that your statement is pretty much false. I pretty much only get shot in the lower plate

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 8:56 PM

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I would prefer shooting the lower plate instead of the turret cheeks, don't like risky shots

drifting depot Jul 9, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Every single time when you're in a heavy like the maus vk100 or tiger P you'll only see holes in the lower plate or the hatch smh, people actually know how to aim so don't complain bout those 😔

Except when t10 heat and isu152 above you kicks in

stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 9:02 PM

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@orchid grove Thanks to the new shell holes, I can see that I nearly never get shot in the lower plate.

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Probably because Posit1ve angles his turret passively/on reload, leaving only the small lower front plate as a weakspot

remote oriole Jul 9, 2020, 9:11 PM

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When i play my Maus correctly, which i kind of rarely do but when it happens people rather tend to shoot the turret because they don't get to see my lower plate

stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Theres such thing as aggressive and passive angling? Never heard of it. Do you mean pushing aggressively angling or
holding angling? @nimble zodiac
So basically in the open in a maus

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Okay I suppose not passive more like defensive angling, though it's really just keeping the enemy from penetrating your turret, leaving the hull as the weakspot, not in a sidescrape, angling the turret when moving to a new position in front of the enemy and whatnot

Yeah I guess

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 9:22 PM

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So can we buff m48 now?

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 9:23 PM

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With the M48, just make the whole of the front turret impenetrable, excluding the cupola. Also make the top speed 50kph instead of 48kph. Then maybe buff its DPM to match the STB-1's (but that may be too much).

vale sun Jul 9, 2020, 9:27 PM

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bruh you want another T22 turret?
I think the M48 should just have the cupola removed, the problem with balancing the M48 is that you risk outclassing the stb-1 and vice versa

nocturne mauve Jul 9, 2020, 9:29 PM

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M48 needs something

orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@stiff edge Fwiw, here's a game I just played in the Maus. 4 shots aimed at my lower plate, not a single scratch on the turret
that's the end

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stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@orchid grove and clearly you're in the open
And it must've taken a maus a long time to get to that spot in the map, especially if you capped B.

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 9:33 PM

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No, the turret is fine as is. Turret is weaker than stb but still very strong and buffing turret is a step in the wrong direction which does not address its fundamental issues. It's the awful gun handling that's holding the M48 back. M48 does not deserve the gun handling it has with the other negative traits-being one of the slowest 10 meds, awful p/w and mediocre traverse, worst in class concealment, and lower dpm. There is nothing redeeming about m48 when you have so many of the heavies in t10 being much stronger and the stb being straight up better option with no downsides.

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 9:34 PM

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@vale sun I like how you ask me if I want another T-22 turret and yet you're advocating for the complete removal of the weakspot keeping it from being like the T-22. Keep the weekspot on top of the turret, remove any near the cheeks.

@odd tendon The M48 has fine gun handling, idk what you're on about.

@round bluff The Patton's gun only blooms when you traverse the hull. Inching forward practically does nothing to it.

round bluff Jul 9, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Lol m48 gun handling is terrible. Inch forward slightly and bam, full bloom

orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 9:40 PM

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@stiff edge I pretty much drove all over the map that game. I pushed through A, then turned around went back to spawn, and then back to B

And here's the next battle, once again, all the shots are through the lower plate. Whenever people have a choice, they always choose to shoot the lower plate over the turret.

And also, Maus should frequently be in the open. Maus is an offensive weapon, the armor and HP is far less useful in more defensive stances precisely because the turret cannot be relied upon, and the DPM means it can't farm efficiently, however, Maus can be used to cross open spaces that other tanks cannot so that it can exert serious offensive presence.

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vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 9:41 PM

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yeah suddenly many people don´t understand this and end up in a 1v5 with 3k hp left

stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 9:43 PM

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m8 ur lower plate is flat towards them what are you doing
Don't give them a choice, jam your lower plate into the wall while maintaining angle on your sides, make them shoot your turret
Your turret is stronger because of the mantlet
Your enemies should be shooting your turret, because your lower plate should be hidden as much as possible.

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 9:48 PM

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idk how you can say m48 gunhandling is fine as is when these are its values. You try to turn your gun and suddenly you have bloom between the size of alaska and texas. Don't even try to compare it to stb which is completely better.

Why is this guy driving out in the open and complaining that people are shooting his weakspot?

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orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 9:50 PM

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@stiff edge You're missing the point, it's not about the position that I'm taking the screenshots in, that particular position was when I turned away from the wall specifically to take that picture before going down. These pictures show every hit I take throughout the game, and trust me, I go through a lot more positions than just my final one

And also, here's the very next game. 8k blocked, and once again, basically every single shot directed at the hull. They went for the lower plate so much that even when they couldn't hit it, they aimed for it and hit the upper hull. And once again, the turret is practically spotless except for a single hit mark

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formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 9:51 PM

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@odd tendon curious, why are you turning your hull and expecting good accuracy? This happens for the vast majority of tanks. If you're looking to snapshot, maybe try not turning while snapshotting? Buffing the turret armor would actually also theoretically give you more time to aim, so that kinda just fixes the issue.

Also, Posit1ve is not complaining. He's showing that the cheeks arent the issue on the maus. The lower plate is where most people shoot it so there's not much point in buffing the cheeks.

stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 9:54 PM

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@orchid grove A few games won't prove anything. You're in the open yet again. A maus should either be pushing a flank, or defending a flank. Your turret is way stronger than your lower plate. You shouldn't be exposing the weakest frontal weakspot of the maus. You should try to hide it, and it looks like you made no effort to do that.

round bluff Jul 9, 2020, 9:54 PM

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You turn your hull in an stb, the gun can stay accurate. E50m, same story. 4202, check. Why is it that the m48, the biggest and slowest medium, also gets the clumsiest gun?

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 9:57 PM

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@stiff edge you just proved his point, the turret is way stronger than the lower front plate and therefore enemies will shoot the lower plate

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 9:58 PM

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@formal vale You don't know how to read the dispersion chart. Dispersion when moving and turning your hull is good. Dispersion when rotating your turret is worst in class. Fully aimed dispersion is worst in class. M48 and 121 are basically the same when snapshotting-both can't turn their turrets and expect to land a hit. M48 turret already got massively buffed before and the only spots you can typically pen now are the cheek slivers and cupola. But why does M48 have such awful/mediocre at best gun handling for the characteristics it has? Massive armor profile(taller than some heavies), slowest of all mediums, clumsy traverse, awful concealment, and low DPM.

orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 10:01 PM

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@stiff edge These screenshots are only taken at the end of each game, and my end position is basically never a position where I was for the rest of the game. These screenshots are just to show every hit I took over the course of the game. So stop commenting on the exact position I'm in at the end of the game because that's completely irrelevant.

And I know a few games doesn't prove anything, but the fact that through every single game I have played today, and I have basically only been hit in the hull shows serious evidence of a pattern, that people will basically go out of their way to hit the Maus in the lower plate.

If you truly are getting hit in the turret more often than the hull, I believe you are probably playing your Maus incorrectly. Turret is a last resort for people, so it means you're likely only using your Maus to hulldown or sidescrape, neither of which is the best use of a Maus.

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vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 10:03 PM

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yo everyone that is here we should move this to the vehicle-discussion since we don´t talk about the statistics of the vehicle in particular anymore

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 10:06 PM

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@odd tendon
1.) Don't ever say I don't know how to read a chart. I know how to analyze data, it's not hard.
2.) You're complaining about a non-issue. The M48 has great gunhandling so long as you play the tank to its strengths.
3.) There are so many other issues with the M48 that can be easily fixed. Check the turret armor, DPM, or top speed. The dispersion on rotation is so incredibly minor, it becomes a waste of time. Go play something else if the bloom on rotation actually bugs you that much.

stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 10:06 PM

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@nimble zodiac no the weakest point of the tank should be hidden because its tiny, therefore they would only be able to shoot the turret

@orchid grove The maus is literally designed for sidescraping, clearly you don't sidescrape enough in the maus. I, too, tactically yolo/push a flank in the maus, except I actually hide my lower plate, and make it more difficult for the enemy to penetrate me.

then dont push into an entirely open area then

@nimble zodiac what does that mean? so what? im ranked #1 30 day for 4202, yet I dont want a buff for it. Just because you are tOp FivE or whatever doesn't make your opinion more valid.

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Ah yes, push likely in the open and manage to hide your lower front plate

You're arguing against the 4th ranked Maus player of 30-day

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 10:11 PM

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@formal vale Well you obviously misread when you made a wrong point about the dispersion.

How the hell do I play a tank to its strengths when it has some of the worst in-class gun handling characteristics? M48 snapshots the same as the 121. How is this ok?

Why would you complain about turret armor when the areas you can pen are tiny and hard to hit when an M48 is working a ridgeline?

nocturne mauve Jul 9, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Positive is the guy to say sidescraping is useless, he’s got really unorthodox methods lol

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formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 10:17 PM

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@odd tendon I literally took my M48 out for a test drive in a training room. Moving forward and backward presented about as much bloom as you'd expect (not much at all). It was only when I traversed that it screwed everything up. You know what that means? Don't traverse when you expect to shoot something.

Furthermore, I complain about the turret weakspots because they simply shouldn't be there to begin with. The M48 should have a rock-hard turret with a minor weakspot on top. Instead of that, it's riddled with weakspots all across the turret. Changing this would simply refine it's playstyle. What you're advocating for can be changed by player interactions with the tank. What I'm advocating for is simply based on the description of the tank itself and the ideal it upholds (ie a rock-hard turret with good gun depression and decent gun handling).

nimble zodiac Jul 9, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Please stop arguing against Posit1ve_, he knows how to Maus 😂

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orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 10:19 PM

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@stiff edge Half of what makes Maus good is the fact that you have ~3.2k HP. Maus isn't an E5 where you want to keep the armor spotless. If they're not shooting the Maus, then they're shooting the teammates, which is far worse. Moreover, the armor profile of the Maus is what allows it to be the only tank that can push the enemy back through the open. They'll aim for the lower plate sure, but not every shot is going to pen, and when you have 3.2k HP, that means they're not going to win, especially if you have teammates with you.

And it's not like I don't hide the lower plate. When I am hiding the lower plate, people just don't shoot the turret because they can't pen it, and they try to hit the lower plate anyway.

Go ahead, drive your Maus. And at the end of the battle, send me a screenshot that shows you only get hit in the turret. People just don't shoot the turret of the Maus. If all they see is your turret, they will aim for your lower plate anyway, or just shoot your teammates.

stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 10:20 PM

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@nimble zodiac My maus 90 day, I don't play it as often as Positive, it may not be the best sample size but its the biggest sample I've got

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round bluff Jul 9, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Ok, now take the m48 out and shoot something in an actual game. Then do the same driving an stb.

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 10:23 PM

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@formal vale Let's take a little quiz.
Which of the following snapshots the worst?
A) M48
B) IS-7
C) Ho Ri
D) T110E5

And how do you propose I shoot someone without traversing my turret?

Why should M48 be an impenetrable hull down rock? Turret as of now is strong enough as is. Making M48 turret a bigger STB won't solve its problems. We don't need another invincible turret now given that there are already so much in T10 and especially when Kranvagn is coming soon.

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 10:28 PM

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@odd tendon the dispersion on turret traverse is fine. I was talking about hull traverse. Also, we all know the STB-1 out classes the M48 in almost every way. Here are some examples of similar dispersion tanks. Notice how the Progetto, a tank nobody complains about, has worse dispersion on the move and during rotation. You know why nobody complains about dispersion during traverse? Because it doesn't matter. You don't traverse your hull while you aim your shots. It's such a nonissue, you guys are wasting both my time and your own time. I'm done with this convo. It's stale and y'all just want to complain to complain.

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orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 10:32 PM

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@formal vale While I agree that M48 gun handling isn't that bad, I also agree with @odd tendon that it should be buffed.

The American mediums on both PC and Blitz have historically been all about their gun handling. M48 has 2 major issues right now that hold it back from living up to this, 1. .1/.1 for hull movement/traverse is only par for the course for a tier X med, and if you add on the poor base dispersion, then it does have somewhat poor gun handling in sum for its class. Also, I didn't even know this until just now, but I checked blitzhangar, and the dispersion on turret traverse is .12! It's literally outright worse than the hull movement dispersion, which is kinda ludicrous.

And considering that M48 really ought to be the snapshot king of tier X meds, that's just kind of a pity

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 10:33 PM

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People dont complain about the Progetto because it has a broken reloading system. That is not what Blitzhanger says about dispersion when rotating turret. M48 has one of the worst in T10 when rotating turret. Even E100 is better.

round bluff Jul 9, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Yes, progetto, 121, and m48 have similar gun handling. Prog has an autoreloader and the 121 does 420 alpha. What does the m48's gun have going for it?

stiff edge Jul 9, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Sorry for the bad angle, but you can see here that most of the shots were aimed at my turret. The side penetrations was from me overangling a bit.
and yes 1 hp maus lol

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formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 10:38 PM

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@orchid grove sure I agree with you there. But you have to admit these guys are blowing it way out of proportion. They make it sound like it's the worst in the game, they cant hit anything, they play perfectly and the tank just does nothing for them. That's so obviously not the case and the M48 still has very decent gun handling. There are so many reasons to love the M48 Patton, I never once expected to love the gun handling.

Sure I expected it to be decent at snapshotting on the move, but that's hardly what I'd call good gun handling. You don't go the the M48 for amazing gun handling and the stats very much represent that. You go to the tank for a solid turret and great gun depression. That's why I advocate for a better turret instead of the gun handling.

I also mentioned the DPM earlier because of the fact that the STB-1 very much does outperform the M48 in terms of raw DPM. I do think that the STB-1, however, is due for some type of nerf (mainly the hull armor). In that case, the M48 shouldn't be overbuffed.

vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 10:41 PM

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@stiff edge the way you peek around this corner makes your cheeks an easy target I just have to say that you are lucky to bounce that shot right there

orchid grove Jul 9, 2020, 10:52 PM

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@formal vale That kinda just shows how far M48 has fallen. Moreover, not expecting to love the gun handling is a pretty big departure from the rest of the line. M46, E8, and T20 all have best in class gun handling across the board (and also not to mention E8 and T20 used to be the only tier 6 and 7 meds with Vert Stabs, which made their gun handling even more special), and M26's numbers while not best in class, aren't far from being best in class; all of these are unlike M48, which you're having to compare to the worst in class gun handling tanks.

M48 turret used to exceptionally weak before the buff, and it's only after the buff that the tank even became about the turret at all. And if you make M48 primarily about the turret, then it will perpetually be in competition with the STB-1, and it almost ensures that either one tank will be strictly better than the other, or they will be close to indistinguishable. And if you buff the turret too much, then it will start competing against heavies, also not ideal in the interest of variety.

Really, the logical way to set M48 apart is to make it the king of soft stats (gun handling and view range) like the rest of the line, and like how it's supposed to be; in exchange for having a worse turret than STB, so that it can really shine in its own way, and be consistent with the line.

formal vale Jul 9, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I guess so, that makes sense. It'd also be pretty hype if they gave it better mobility as well though.

odd tendon Jul 9, 2020, 10:55 PM

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What positive said

vestal kelp Jul 9, 2020, 10:55 PM

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nice essay tho @orchid grove

turbid ridge Jul 10, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Could VK 100.01 (P) Commander's hatch be made a bit patchier? It's size and thinness has made it impossible to side-scrape out to the left, and the speed of the tank is such that the opponent has all day to sight in on it if i was pushing, furthermore it already has a weak spot on the turret (the cheeks are pen-able with a little bit of aiming) I am not asking for another broken German heavy... but at least make its weak spots a little hard to hit.

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 1:13 AM

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I'd want a cupola armor buff so that oncoming shells would have to hit in the center region, but I think it's fine

iron lynx Jul 10, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I dunno, the VK 100.01 P having the highest average wr of all tier 8 heavy tanks might be an indication that it doesn't really need a buff.

unique scaffold Jul 10, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Let foch 155 be a lesson on how not to rebalance a cupola

sudden path Jul 10, 2020, 1:42 AM

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When I face a maus, I ignore it but when I have to shoot it, I'll load gold and go for the turret. But that rarely happens because I'm going for the side of the tank in my meds and lights.

Also a reminder that if the centurion 7/1 with the heat gun had the same reload as the patton, the centurion would way outperform the patton.

odd tendon Jul 10, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Cent 7/1 has the same reload on both guns though, just that one has HEAT and the other HESH

sudden path Jul 10, 2020, 1:52 AM

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I know, I'm using the hypothetical 7 second reload and the heat ammo for comparisons sake.

thick rover Jul 10, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Really I don't see a reason to use heat gun

odd tendon Jul 10, 2020, 2:24 AM

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yeah, using the heat guns for cent and 4202 removes anything special about them and just makes them worse 105 meds

sudden path Jul 10, 2020, 2:30 AM

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I would use the hesh gun all day as well. I guess I'm just being confusing. Sorry about that.

nocturne mauve Jul 10, 2020, 3:14 AM

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You think VK 100 needs a buff? It has 2k HP in tier 8

unique scaffold Jul 10, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Mauschen sucks ._.

hardy hazel Jul 10, 2020, 3:35 AM

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i use heat gun because i always find a way to mess/miss my hesh shot

regal grove Jul 10, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Then don’t play the British Meds then

hardy hazel Jul 10, 2020, 3:50 AM

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nah i have fun playing it anyways

jagged crescent Jul 10, 2020, 4:03 AM

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In other news, I still want a LFP nerf to the Tiger II. UFP buff if needed.
This won’t kill the tank at all and I really don’t see how some people will think that would be considered buffing a tank.

muted rampart Jul 10, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Imo There are tanks that wasn t changed for, a few years and now They are just worse version of other tank or just uselles. The Great example of these tanks are leopard PTA, i Don t remember when It was buffed last Time, m48 Patton, i think The last change on it was when They was deleting it s alternative gun (Patton few years ago Had alternative gun to research) and sta 1 which wasn t changed since it was relesed as The t8 of First New nation in The game. All of those tanks are outclassed and pretty uselles. I hope wg will do something about it because for now i Don t see any Point of playing those tanks not counting grinding higher tier. Of course There are Many tanks like This and i hope it will change soon

odd tendon Jul 10, 2020, 6:05 AM

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WG really should've been reviving/buffing older tanks instead of introducing new mechanics, broken and BS autoreloaders+atgms.

muted rampart Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 AM

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yeah i agree in 100%

unique scaffold Jul 10, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Ye me too

odd tendon Jul 10, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Leopard, T110E4, M48, and FV4202 lines all deserve some love because of how faded they are. We've seen how well the T110E5 line fits into Blitz today with the buffs it received despite it being powercrept before so rebalancing those lines can bring relevancy back into them and shift up the meta in a less toxic manner than broken light tanks.

unique scaffold Jul 10, 2020, 7:28 AM

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I still would like to have leopard be king of gun stats it wouldnt hurt

formal vale Jul 10, 2020, 7:29 AM

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I mean I really do like the autoreloader mechanic @odd tendon

It's the ATGM issue that's questionable imo

thick rover Jul 10, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Yea leopard should get handling buff for it to stand out?

odd tendon Jul 10, 2020, 7:37 AM

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My problem with the autoreloaders is that there's no penalty for dumping all the shells and firing on the last one. It makes them unparalleled in first minute dpm.

Leopard already has best in class gun handling, dpm, and mobility. It's just that it has no way of fitting in in this super heavy meta because it is very squishy.

timber knot Jul 10, 2020, 7:39 AM

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It'd be pretty epic if you guys were to buff the T110E4 by increasing the armor on the commanders gun cause why have another weak spot on a tank that definitely doesn't need it. Or give it at least give it 8 or 9 degrees of gun depression to compensate for the lack of armor on the commanders turret because that thing sticks out like a sore thumb especially trying to shoot over any rounded terrain in which you'd have to go further and expose your tank to take a shot. If that is somehow too much too ask at least give the tank 1 degree more of gun depression cause I have run into too many scenarios where that would have made a big difference.

unique scaffold Jul 10, 2020, 7:48 AM

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@odd tendon it technically does have best dpm and handling but the vickers light makes that pointless the gun stats are also slightly ever so slightly better than most of the mediums the russian meds have better soft stats

odd tendon Jul 10, 2020, 7:52 AM

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The brits will be nerfed in line later

desert ridge Jul 10, 2020, 7:54 AM

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I thing that the Hellcat an wolverine should swap tiers an get reworked. They have the same gun but the higher tier has less armor??

muted rampart Jul 10, 2020, 7:58 AM

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@desert ridge wtf hellcat Has, a way better gun. U are probably talking about Stock. And hellcat is much more faster

desert ridge Jul 10, 2020, 8:04 AM

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I do way more dmg in my wolverine then hellcat I don’t have the full build gun but still I get nailed so early I can’t get in a spot to shoot. An this timer is annoying but I get why it’s there.

muted rampart Jul 10, 2020, 8:08 AM

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@desert ridge gather more experience in game and Then you won t have this problem. And yeah this Timer is really annoying. Imo it should be 5 minutes

mortal wind Jul 10, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Eat me poop

unique scaffold Jul 10, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Hellcat fully upgraded and loaded with the M1A2 gun is very fun tbh

queen storm Jul 10, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Btw im still laught about is 7 ammorackble

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 9:34 AM

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A good 4 times I remember getting racked in my IS-7 😞

unique scaffold Jul 10, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Pls make the fv215bs sideamor as strong as it says it is Ist says its 101mm thick its only 76 behind the tracks this would make it Ballanced

queen storm Jul 10, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Blance is 7 i think

muted rampart Jul 10, 2020, 9:58 AM

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@unique scaffold they should buff this weakspot on sides because you can t do sidescrap with its

thick rover Jul 10, 2020, 10:14 AM

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??? It's the pikenose

lone roost Jul 10, 2020, 10:49 AM

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@solar sorrel the game has a problem where it opens for 3 seconds then crashes pls fix this

desert ridge Jul 10, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Yup go look at an server under tech issues it’s known

noble siren Jul 10, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Leo needs a better acceleration to the top speed and a better accuracy gun stats that's all

night flame Jul 10, 2020, 11:34 AM

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t34-2 best med at t8??????? that's a bit of surprise

queen storm Jul 10, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Wg need buff is 7 affremetive bcuz i hate getting ammorack able

nocturne mauve Jul 10, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Heavy class has too much HP

oak dust Jul 10, 2020, 2:55 PM

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hi

hardy hazel Jul 10, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Heavy class has too much HP
@nocturne mauve i think is okay for a heavy to have lots of hp, but when i see meds and lights have +- same hp it hurts me a little

jagged crescent Jul 10, 2020, 3:21 PM

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I’d personally shave off a hundred hit points out of most heavies.
Oh yeah, Tiger UFP buff, LFP nerf * 2.

Before they were a BIT too frail. A lot of the slower heavies couldn’t be played as well since they lacked the hp. Heaviums are a different story. Now, they’re all just over juiced.

distant river Jul 10, 2020, 3:23 PM

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I'd personally shave of whatever hp buffs every heavy got and put them back to what they were because they were perfectly fine as well 🤔

It's almost as if the blanket buff was completely undeserved 🤔

nocturne mauve Jul 10, 2020, 3:36 PM

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The German heavies are too hard to fight nowadays

distant dew Jul 10, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Like too hard to go against or to play as?

meager spruce Jul 10, 2020, 3:37 PM

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to go against, meaning to fight them

distant river Jul 10, 2020, 3:49 PM

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The German heavies are some of the easiest tanks to play lol armour and alpha are always noob friendly

hasty schooner Jul 10, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Maybe buff VK72 dpm a bit?

jagged crescent Jul 10, 2020, 4:06 PM

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It's fine as it is.
True, heavies are the most forgiving tanks, but id rather play mediums and tds. More entertaining playstyles

twilit crystal Jul 10, 2020, 4:26 PM

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the is4 is the most forgiving tank rn, maus is pretty forgiving too but its lack of mobility atleast punishes it in certain scenarios

noble siren Jul 10, 2020, 5:12 PM

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True, heavies are the most forgiving tanks
@jagged crescent haha sure

distant river Jul 10, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Noting makes up skill like armour and high-ish alpha without a huge reload 🤷‍♀️

hasty schooner Jul 10, 2020, 5:29 PM

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But still 18 sec with calibrated is a bit meh no?

vale sun Jul 10, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I wwasn't a big fan of the heavy hp buffs, they should've been tank specific instead of "hurr durr let's give is4 2800 hp balansed"

jagged crescent Jul 10, 2020, 5:40 PM

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@noble siren u gonna provide a reason to refute or are you just gonna pull off the “HURRHURR”

noble siren Jul 10, 2020, 5:40 PM

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same goes for you mate

scarlet fjord Jul 10, 2020, 5:46 PM

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fix standard-broke
1200 CLIP with HE
think before breaking tanks

frail silo Jul 10, 2020, 5:50 PM

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you are talking like it can HE pen tanks frontally
just bruh

distant river Jul 10, 2020, 5:55 PM

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It can from the side easily (apart from IS clones) and it's got the mobility, gun depression to do it, as well as no long reload to hold it back

shell pawn Jul 10, 2020, 6:34 PM

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if you look at the charts its not that op
best non prem but if you look at it, patton is nearly identical in terms of stats

hasty schooner Jul 10, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Mobility a bit suck tho with it and most people dont really know how to play it

distant river Jul 10, 2020, 6:35 PM

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@shell pawn It's the best non-prem med...

nimble zodiac Jul 10, 2020, 8:11 PM

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No, 183 perfect gambling machine >:)

subtle cloak Jul 10, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Bro why is the super conq gun mantle only 200mm

stiff edge Jul 10, 2020, 8:33 PM

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because its balanced