#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 155

latent snow Apr 22, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Do you want the kpf to be a low profile t30 / e100? I don’t

unique scaffold Apr 22, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Difference is T30 can actually pen it’s targets and use its gun and E100 can actually bounce shots

sweet prism Apr 22, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Kpfpz doesn't have as good pen or gun depression like T30. Also I raised the comparison against smasher to descrive how op it is. You could call the smasher tier 7 t30 then, can't you? I want to repeat the original point, please don't give smasher hp buff like other heavies.

distant slate Apr 22, 2020, 10:14 PM

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All this balanced mm ?

crystal spoke Apr 22, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Nope tank balance

@distant slate Simple this isnt the place to wine about mm just look at the pinned messages though I'm curious about where you get your numbers

distant slate Apr 22, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Why do players discuss tanks characteristics when it means absolutely nothing if you do not get match maker favouritism ?no tank will win in a team that has been given the worst match making algorithm,which is also complete bs ,if you are not a compulsive spender (on a fake game) or a contributor clan member you will not get mm favouritism or at least not for a prolonged time period ,your games have a pre determined outcome decided by the match maker ,you may be lucky enough to win one of these games where all your team are from a win rate pool similar to tier 1,2,3 players but the next battle you play YOU WILL LOOSE ! And it is not your fault this is how the match making has been derived to make you think you need to buy premium tanks and other goodies ,the truth is that no matter what you do or how you play 90% of games are pre determined by the match maker !

nimble zodiac Apr 22, 2020, 11:13 PM

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False, everything in MM is a convenience, unless you're playing the Pz. B2 @crystal spoke not sure, but I think Pz. B2 has pref MM because it has a tier II gun for a tier IV tank, so maybe Leo could have it lol

crystal spoke Apr 22, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Wasn't there another tank that had preferential mm other than the pzb2

rapid citrus Apr 22, 2020, 11:59 PM

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give the TOG 2 2000 hp in 6.10

formal glacier Apr 23, 2020, 12:13 AM

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I’d like to say that people need to quit crying about ATGMs because I’d imagine they won’t get removed or too badly nerfed

If a nerf was gonna be put out
I’d suggest jacking up the price of HEAT/ATGMS for those tanks that can fire them.
Also decrease range from 400 Meters to 275 (to prevent Arty Behavior)
This should be enough for the angry mob to calm down
But hey
I’m no expert
It’s just my opinion and that’s the way I see of fixing it
This probably won’t get read
But at least I tried

nimble zodiac Apr 23, 2020, 12:13 AM

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y e s, but sadly it would be more OP (tog)

rapid citrus Apr 23, 2020, 12:21 AM

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tog is only getting 10hp in 6.10 man, they need to give it like at least 200 more the 2000 was an exaggeration

jagged crescent Apr 23, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Increased Missile Buffer Time x 5
It's more that missiles are busted for free shots midrange (in a battle on a hilly area/etc)

raven dawn Apr 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Lets just say wg found a nerf to make atgm not shoot enemies from behind cover/hit enemies behind cover (or be near impossible)

Can we say that this would be an improvement at least

drifting depot Apr 23, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Tog needs more hp reee, outside the memes the tank is utter sht only good thing being the gun and the side armor

nimble zodiac Apr 23, 2020, 4:34 AM

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tog is a pretty good tonk, carefully independent, and will shred anyone who dares fight it alone

blissful vigil Apr 23, 2020, 5:25 AM

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But the speed is the biggest problem

nimble zodiac Apr 23, 2020, 5:50 AM

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The speed allows it to part from the team, which can play as a disadvantage when multiple enemies find it alone, unless it can handle those enemies

blissful vigil Apr 23, 2020, 5:51 AM

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It's hard to be a TOG, but you got 1600 HP for a tier VI

drifting depot Apr 23, 2020, 5:52 AM

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It's not gonna be as good as it is currently

minor minnow Apr 23, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Okay, so I’m writing this, not to start another uprising and a wreckfest like it was, but to speak my peace, I’m not against removing ATGM’s, personally I believe they’re a critical part of developing the game and making it special. But I would like to talk about the Sheridan in itself. Speaking about It’s armor in game, and how the ammo capacity works. I’ll start with the armor. How I view it, the armor is completely incorrect. I understand the aspect of spaced armor is compelling, especially when the tank had no armor historically, but I believe the no armor aspect is critical in balancing. A light tank with 20 something millimeters of armor at its thickest bouncing JG E100 and 183 shells is absurd. Like come on WG, this shouldn’t be possible. That’s why I’ve attached some of my research, regarding real armor profiles, armor stats, and even historically accurate photos of the tank itself, from multiple angles. I’ll also post the LINKS to these sources, if you feel the need to fact check me. Next, the ammunition. The Sheridans maximum ammunition is unknown to me, nor do I really care at the moment. It looks that the ammunition is capped out at 20 (which would make sense with the shells being 152mm and the missiles being larger than the shells itself) or about 29-30, which would make a little less sense logically but looks right from the source. Either way, it’s capped at 9, count it, NINE, missiles. I think this would make the tank even more situational than “it already is”. If you think I’m right or have a point, tell me, feel free to ping me about it with questions comments or concerns. Hopefully this catches, maybe not. But I tried. Again I’ll link sources, so have a good day tankers, have fun in uprising, and for those who took time out of their day to read this, let’s make a difference, let’s make this count.

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/US/M551_Sheridan.php

Tank Encyclopedia

152mm Gun-Launcher AR/AAV M551 Sheridan

The M551 Sheridan was an American cold war airborne tank designed to fire antitank missile to compensate its lack of protection, used in Vietnam and the gulf

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Did not expect jg to have that low over all damage

slender wedge Apr 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Look at the batchat! You killed it wargaming!!!!!!

near pewter Apr 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Seems logical. @minor minnow

craggy kayak Apr 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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remove atgm thx

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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T57 needs more than 50mm of side armor.

blissful vigil Apr 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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The ATMG's got a insane penetration for so little speed. How is that really possible?

meager spruce Apr 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Summary from the charts:
t92e1 is still op
the buff didn't balance heavies and just made them more unbalanced than they were
FV 183 is the worst tank in tier 10 once again

stoic forum Apr 23, 2020, 1:57 PM

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I just saw winrate Ho-Ri Type II ||nerf soon?||

somber mauve Apr 23, 2020, 1:57 PM

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ripppp 183 - but it deserved it l o l

round horizon Apr 23, 2020, 1:58 PM

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News for a 105mm gun for the Sheridan?

lusty silo Apr 23, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Did not expect jg to have that low over all damage
@unique scaffold
we're also a bit surprised considering stats and feedback after tests and right after 6.9 release.

indigo knot Apr 23, 2020, 2:00 PM

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@lusty silo any chance Bat chat tier 10 , Grille and 183 get some buffs in future

With the recent HP buff of HTs I think they deserve some love now

coral bobcat Apr 23, 2020, 2:00 PM

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WG buff 183! That poor TD can't even show his face in your stats

lusty silo Apr 23, 2020, 2:01 PM

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@lusty silo any chance Bat chat tier 10 , Grille and 183 get some buffs in future
@indigo knot BatChat - yes. Grille - i doubt that. 183 - definitely no.

lusty jacinth Apr 23, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Hiding t22??? 👀

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unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 2:03 PM

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STB-1 doesn't need a nerf other tanks need a slight buff. The tank is by no means OP it is perhaps the most balanced/versatile medium tank.

worldly whale Apr 23, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Propably not enough battles played in it thats why it doesnt show up in the diagramm @lusty jacinth

ember mica Apr 23, 2020, 2:04 PM

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looks at the vk72

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 2:06 PM

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@lusty silo yea I’m kinda shook, some tanks I expected to do a lot are lower then others.

tender drift Apr 23, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Will we expect a nerf to some of the Japanese tds?

round horizon Apr 23, 2020, 2:08 PM

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No plans to buff the Patton yet?

flint skiff Apr 23, 2020, 2:08 PM

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i guess?

indigo knot Apr 23, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I sometimes wonder why is 121b so lower in terms of WR ....

A single Maus is not a problem but Maus platoon in pubs is hard to play against @tender drift

tender drift Apr 23, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Tbh is4 is more horrifying to play against rather than maus

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The thing is at least maus you pen reliably if you get to his side while is4 is still trollish

mellow cape Apr 23, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Tiger II has had the highest winrate out of all tier 8 tanks since update 6.3 now, still no nerfs for it?

remote oriole Apr 23, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Since heavies got a hp boost (and are now outperforming all other classes) I wonder if it would be sensible to give a hp boost to all other tank classes. This would slow down games considerably and decrease the impact of alpha - you couldn’t three-shot most tank with a 150+ mm gun at tier ten anymore.

The game speed could actually be kept the same by increasing the dpm of all tanks, but that would mean that trading 1 to 1 is more likely, since the reload of all guns will be more similar. However, I do think that the game speed could use a bit of slowing down, and that alpha damage is too important. So I would welcome hp buffs to all tanks.

The only thing that keeps me from outright recommending it is that the lower tiers experienced such a slowing down in extreme ways - alpha has been compressed to a very small margin, dpms have seriously suffered and hp has been increased. Now it’s one of the worst game-play experiences in the entire game... which could also be blamed on the bad accuracy of all tanks there.

umbral basin Apr 23, 2020, 2:19 PM

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WZ 121B month after month the worst medium tank. Looks like buff with alpha damage is not enough to play against random. Guys, please think about an additional buff that will help this tank to be in the same line with others.

indigo knot Apr 23, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Well HP buff to Hts..... Tiger 2 is getting like 100 hp (1600 ->1700) one of the lowest in its class so one can call that a nerf in comparison to its peers @mellow cape

lusty silo Apr 23, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Will we expect a nerf to some of the Japanese tds?
@tender drift not right now - we'll see how they perform when popularity goes up

plain dew Apr 23, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Will there be HP buffs to heavy TD’s as well? (Such as the Jadtiger, T95, Badger...)

distant river Apr 23, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@lusty silo Are we going to see a 183 rework instead of a buff any time soon? I think almost everyone agrees that the HESH is what's making it broken, so remove that and nerf the HE pen seriously and then it can get buffed to a reasonable tank with armour and camo.

mellow cape Apr 23, 2020, 2:25 PM

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I would say even the AP on it is broken, it deals 930 damage and has 310mm pen and requires pretty much no skill to use, the entire tank in concept is broken and tanks which reward players for camping only to take off 50% of the HP of a medium in a single lucky shot do not belong in the game

frozen summit Apr 23, 2020, 2:27 PM

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what the hell this new mode is ? i jsut dealt 1,5k dmg with one shot xD

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 2:28 PM

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i wish they could remove the 183, or maybe buff up the tortoise and make it a t10, something interesting, abusing gun arch for invicibility should be interesting.

blissful vigil Apr 23, 2020, 2:29 PM

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@frozen summit, probably Inferno skill. It deals 30% of the tanks current HP as extra damage

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Can the Devs please rework the T28 model? It should look exactly like the T95 but without the outer tracks and the side skirts that cover the tracks. Also buff the armor (or just do that instead of you won’t change the model).

steep haven Apr 23, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Can you pls buff the accuracy of the Grille 15 gun. The tank have bad camo, speed is ok, bad gunhandling, no armor and a ok accuracy. The gun is the only advantage the tank have, pls make it a bit more playable 🙏

yeah, one of the most, it should be the most. Leo and t62 have better guns and both can more than just snipe

tender drift Apr 23, 2020, 2:32 PM

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isnt it one of the most accurate gun ingame..

remote oriole Apr 23, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Yes, it is

round horizon Apr 23, 2020, 2:32 PM

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It's one of the most accurate guns, what do you mean?If anything they should buff the T110E4

craggy dust Apr 23, 2020, 2:33 PM

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You mean buff the camo rating and the forsaking penetration

lament arch Apr 23, 2020, 2:33 PM

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low dispersion at 100m
that's some E25 levels of accuracy

tender drift Apr 23, 2020, 2:33 PM

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unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 2:36 PM

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183 looks spectacular on the latest balance charts 🤣

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@indigo knot BatChat - yes. Grille - i doubt that. 183 - definitely no.
@lusty silo

You just made my day.

green island Apr 23, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Batchat is a good tank, it doesn't need a buff

mellow cape Apr 23, 2020, 2:38 PM

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@steep haven
Grille has the highest accuracy in the game (tied with leo 1, T-62A and E50M) at 0.288 base, what it doesn't have is good dispersion on the move so when you move the turret or tank the gun blooms out massively

frozen summit Apr 23, 2020, 2:44 PM

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@𝓡𝓪𝓹𝓽𝓸𝓻360#7649 double shot + inferno so i can basicly 1shot everyone xd

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Better yet they could rename T95 to T28/T95 and replace T28 with something else. Also this is what people have been saying the T28 Prototype is based on for a long time:

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steep haven Apr 23, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Guys that is what i am talking about...this 3 mediums have the same accuracy and better dispersion. And all of them can play pretty good on mid range and t62 and e50 are also good brawlers. A Grille can only stay at the back or play mid range if you are a good player. So you have to hit your shoots and the Grille gun dont do that and to much situations. Thats why it have so bad stats...

remote oriole Apr 23, 2020, 2:46 PM

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That thing looks like the Excalibur tank on Pc

round horizon Apr 23, 2020, 2:47 PM

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They should honestly remove the T28 and replace it with the T28 prototype so you can choose between the T95 or T30

next siren Apr 23, 2020, 2:51 PM

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or Buff the T28, that is

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 2:54 PM

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@remote oriole Eh, Excalibur looks shorter and fatter. Well the turret for sure is fatter. Also what the T28 should look like:

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nerf

willow junco Apr 23, 2020, 3:20 PM

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poor T28 literally worst tank of the tier8

river portal Apr 23, 2020, 3:22 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502017295107883008/702879854139277362/6.9_-_t10.png?width=810&height=475 next time pls compare 183 with tier 9 tanks it will not even be best tier 9

unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Devs, will we ever get Marks of Excellence in Blitz?

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There is at least also the TS-5 TD that could replace it.

sleek vault Apr 23, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Oh no pls stop it, he is died already 😂 😂 😂

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jagged crescent Apr 23, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Increased missile buffer time x 6.

sleek vault Apr 23, 2020, 4:48 PM

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This statistic (Tier 10 one) just showing you guys beating a dead horse.

And also regarding T92E1... Even Sheridan can't beat how efficient this thing even when fighting tier 10. It's not bulky at all like sheridan and also had those "lucky frontal armor". Even if you nerf this, this thing will be always the current Meta because it's too good (except you nerfing this until dead like that 183 in the statistic)

lament arch Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 PM

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tbh ATGMs should a gadget which is for tier 10 tanks only
plus the guidance behaviour of ATGMs should be changed

dark glen Apr 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Should not be in the game*

sleek vault Apr 23, 2020, 4:58 PM

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and turn out that with the current missile backlash, Japanese TDs is here becoming the black horse of this game... I think I like those because nobody complaining how good it's and since nobody complaining it, it's not gonna getting rebalance so soon enough.

willow junco Apr 23, 2020, 5:06 PM

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poor 183 , i thought its a mistake they didnt put it in to the list, Recent nerf on 183 was too much. It needs some buff

nimble zodiac Apr 23, 2020, 5:23 PM

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It can still do a lot of damage. but the risks are playing very high now, and it's not as forgiving

remote oriole Apr 23, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I think the 183 is good as it is. It's just a tank for the games when you simply don't care

nimble zodiac Apr 23, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Ah yes, a tier 9 light tank should be doing as much damage as a tier 10 TD

lunar niche Apr 23, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Obj 140 almost at the bottom of the chart lol. What insane buff is it gonna get now?

frozen summit Apr 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Can someone explain me, im playing T43 just had game with 5 kills and 4k dmg but lost and i was like - 17k of credits, why?

nimble zodiac Apr 23, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Were many consumables used in the battle? Did you use excessive if any gold ammo at all? Is this relevant to balancing tanks? Maybe. Maybe not.

frosty mural Apr 23, 2020, 8:04 PM

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could u just pls nerf that tiger II?

frozen summit Apr 23, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Lol no Tiger 2 is perfect, BTW crusader is worst tier 5 seriously, paper ammo weak pen weak dmg avarage speed...

distant river Apr 23, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Without saying "you shouldn't be playing the T44 with the 122", explain why the chimera gets 40 more alpha, 700 more dpm, 35mm more pen, better accuracy (except bloom), 5° more depression, slightly slower acceleration and then better turret and about the same hull armour (T44s is weaker but smaller lower plate).

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unique scaffold Apr 23, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Ones a hulldown heavy the other is a med brawler that should not be used with the 122 that’s known for being horribly inaccurate and bad pen values

remote oriole Apr 23, 2020, 8:24 PM

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If you want to compare it to anything then pick the T-34-2 and T-34-3

distant river Apr 23, 2020, 8:37 PM

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@unique scaffold You missed the "without saying it shouldn't be used with the 122" part. Anyway 5 less hp/t for 50% more dpm is an obvious choice, and that's not even including the rest. The chimera can apparently be a med brawler better than the T44 as well as being a hulldown heavy, and the chimera isn't a broken tank at all.

@remote oriole And with both you also get the same result, the T44 with 600 less dpm, much worse aim time and also worse armour, while being the same speed. Oh and also 30 or 50mm less prammo pen compared to the T-34-2 and T-34-3 respectively.

Oh and also the T-34-2 and T-34-3 are considered balanced tanks, and the T44 is much much worse than them.

remote oriole Apr 23, 2020, 8:39 PM

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And here's me thinking you complained about the Chimera being OP, and not the T-44-122 being underpowered

distant river Apr 23, 2020, 9:01 PM

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@remote oriole Nah I got bored and wanted to make people think not rage about prems 😂

dusky oxide Apr 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Turns out t10 heavies are now outperforming every other class. Who would have thought? You have to be dumb to believe they are doing this to actually balance the game.

jagged crescent Apr 23, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Increased missile buffer time x 7
And yeah i was thinking of shaving off some hp
Like Maus down to 2800, E-100 2600, IS-4 2300, yaddah yaddah. I don't think most heavies should have more than 300hp than their medium brethren. (Unless SUperheavies)

nocturne mauve Apr 23, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Nerf Mk1 defender and AX

remote oriole Apr 23, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I found this on Mines while cruising around. I think someone has lost it. If it’s yours, please contact me.

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slim dew Apr 24, 2020, 2:03 AM

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give 4005 the 183mm ples ._.

crystal spoke Apr 24, 2020, 2:05 AM

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We dont need another 183mm to slow down high teir even more

drifting depot Apr 24, 2020, 2:08 AM

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I would argue the 123mm autoloader is even more annoying

hot gyro Apr 24, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Please give more engine power to the Chi-nu Kai. It is so painful 😦

forest talon Apr 24, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Its not the missiles that make Sheridan OP... it's the armor that can bounce any shot at any angle and never appears red. Like in this battle were I shot a Sheridan 6 or 7 times and only the last shot did damage

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@remote oriole yeah... low tier used to be fun for all the machine guns, pom poms, and howitzers... then they absolutely ruined everything at low tier and in many cases just removed the good tanks or guns (except keni otsu which got even more OP). They also took away premium ammo on a lot of tanks and added a bunch of super armored tanks that are truly impossible to pen without prammo even on the rear. High tier has gotten a bit more interesting with autoreloaders and missiles I guess, but it seems like everyone wants missiles gone and HP keeps getting buffed towards what happened to low tier

slim dew Apr 24, 2020, 3:35 AM

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@forest talon agreed the armor on sheridan is more broken. Its the noobs that keep staying in the same position and kept getting missiled .

forest talon Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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@slim dew yep, I've dodged a missile before even while out in the open in water... its not all that hard, though you really should be using cover effectively. Coin toss armor is far more infuriating than missiles to me. People keep compaining about t92e1 armor yet I've had no difficulty penning them, but shooting a sheridan is just a gamble. T92e1 just shows its armor more accurately instead of having some magic forcefield that can't be seen. When a light tank with absolutely no red anywhere can bounce 5 shots in a row from different angles including direct side and front shots while a freakin is4 can be penned on first shot by the same tank you know there is a problem. I'd be ok with sheridan getting a small visible frontal armor buff to be similar to t92e1, just get rid of the rng armor

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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I don't care about the armor of either, if the player doesn't like the Sheridan's armor, well they can research and learn why their shots aren't doing damage. It's spaced armor. Hitting it doesn't do damage if the shell misses the main hull. If you're wondering how to kill sheridan, shoot it like the bottom image with AP. Honestly the only thing that bugs me is that the spaced armor existing blocks HE if you miss the small spots. Otherwise stop pretending like T92's entire existence is the upper plate

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winged barn Apr 24, 2020, 5:27 AM

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@nimble zodiac I guess you are right about the t92, you cant even see it's upper plate to bounce on it as it shoots you.

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Yup, remove missiles, the tanks are already special with the high DPS

hollow oasis Apr 24, 2020, 8:17 AM

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give t32 the 120mm gun t122

balmy hamlet Apr 24, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Give the T32 an actual gun, this one may as well be 260dmg apcr standard

unique scaffold Apr 24, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Give Hetzer 10,5cm howtizer!

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Sorry but for the sake of balance that cannot be implemented. Regardless of it being taken away for such purposes, the damage per shot that the gun is capable of is too devastating to enemy targets to be fair and balanced. And @lapis shadow the armor is fit for the playstyle of the tank. The aggressive behavior it's meant to achieve is supported by high DPM, a powerful damage per shot, great speed for offensive gameplay, and enough armor not to get punished by HE shells. Oh and take the IS-7 as an example, as the tanks in it's line are not very armored in the hull until reaching the IS-7, where the upper plates are highly resistant to enemy shells

lapis shadow Apr 24, 2020, 11:30 AM

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After running a few battles in the Su 101, I am certain that the tank needs a serious armour buff, same to the Su 100M1 and Su 122 54, getting penned by mediums like a piñata, the 263 is nowhere like that in armour frontally. @nimble zodiac even though the line has one the best dpms in the whole game, some things have their own drawbacks. Maybe it’s just that I’m not a fan of the armour but dpm is one of the other major things that I look for, that line is best at that out of all other lines

remote oriole Apr 24, 2020, 11:42 AM

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The SU-122-54 got an underserved dpm buff a while back and is now absolutely devastating. Adding armour to the mix is just asking for making it broken and op.

The other two are not as strong at their tier as the SU-122-54, but still have good dpm combined with reasonable alpha, a bounce mantlet and no gun depression. I quite honestly think that adding armour would ruin the flavour of the line. Also, the 263 isn’t even that well armoured, especially against high pen tank and those who choose to shoot prammo

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 11:47 AM

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The LFP of 263 could go for around 215, ignoring the flat 250mm plate supporting the superstructure that goes for 255mm, and even the enhanced armor won't do much for most tanks in tier 10, let alone HEAT shells. Besides, if you don't wanna get shot, sniping is an option for a high DPM TD

thick rover Apr 24, 2020, 1:37 PM

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As far as I remember playing on tier 8 LT/MT SU-101 armour was already quite tough...for that tank I played little differently, not for it's dpm but for sniping / using the alpha damage to hit poiint trade on medium flanks..
But open to all suggestions

dusky cedar Apr 24, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Tech tree Cromwell has 0 degree of gun depression and stays +2 in elevation at back while cromwell B gets its gun through hull and still able to shoot the enemies, what kind of logic is that? Answer me devs.

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latent snow Apr 24, 2020, 2:30 PM

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crowmell is HE resistant on the sides i guess

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 2:52 PM

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@dusky cedar actually Cromwell has 8 degrees of GD

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dusky cedar Apr 24, 2020, 2:59 PM

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@latent snow cromwell b has better side armor not cromwell.

@nimble zodiac Idk where you looking at but it’s wrong, it stays +2 in elevation at back. I have it in my garage.

latent snow Apr 24, 2020, 3:00 PM

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The spaced armor. Do you not see the spaced armor ?

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Cromwell has better side armor indeed, the spaced armor (pink) blocks HE shells. There's a small area that does have theoretical spacing in it

remote oriole Apr 24, 2020, 3:04 PM

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If you look at the model of the Cromwell you can see that the exhaust is in the way to depress it over the back

Also, spaced armour doesn’t just defeat HEAT and HE, it’s all about the space between the spaced armour and the hull armour, and the distance between that is almost zero at the Cromwell. So it has next to no effect on HEAT and HE will splash for maximal damage

dusky cedar Apr 24, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Lol I wasn’t talking about armor in first then why are you all points out, gun going through hull and still able to shoot in cromwell B was my question.

And why are you all answering my question, I asked devs, are you all devs? This channel is under category ‘Chat with devs’. What’s the point of this server and channels, if devs never answers.

Stop arguing with me here.

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I see now, it's a forced 2 degrees of elevation, I thought you meant the max elevation, but yeah, it's broke. Also devs don't really chat here. This channel is mainly just peeps blabbering about 50% missiles and 50% matchmaking

drowsy plaza Apr 24, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Matching making is not for this topic

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Browmell can get -8 over the engine deck and not hit it -- use a large screen with high res model. Cromwell has a +2 limiter over the engine deck - many tanks have arc limiters - but you are correct the TT Crom should get at least -6 over the deck.

forest talon Apr 24, 2020, 3:25 PM

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A lot of British tanks have that problem I think... and it sucks not being able to shoot enemies as you run away

static thicket Apr 24, 2020, 6:02 PM

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The fv 201 can also shoot through it’s bum

jagged crescent Apr 24, 2020, 6:08 PM

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@nimble zodiac you do know that the missile tanks have the worst dpm of their respective tiers

nimble zodiac Apr 24, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Oh man that’s devastating even though you can’t use your superior DPM on them

jagged crescent Apr 24, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Yup, remove missiles, the tanks are already special with the high DPS``` 
lmao

noble siren Apr 24, 2020, 8:59 PM

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+cause the pen is "Godly good"

jagged crescent Apr 24, 2020, 10:47 PM

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It's easier to bounce the missiles now

drowsy plaza Apr 24, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Missiles are not the issue -- folks using then to top attack is --

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You cant bounce something that lands on your head.

mortal granite Apr 24, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Is anyone else having issues penning tier 8 heavy tanks in tier 7 122mm? Just wondering because its near impossible unless the enemy is dumb enough to stand still and let you aim carefully at their weak points and I feel that 228 mm (if your using calibrated shell otherwise its 217) of pen on a premium shell isn't much when there are other calibers that have higher premium pen. This is notably a problem especially in the SU-152(122mm gun), ISU-122, SU-122-44, and WZ Blaze since their tank destroyers and their primary role is to punish Heavy tanks and tanks in general for making a mistake in positions. But in tier 8 matches your stuck relying on your teammates, not to mention that if your left in a 1v1 against a Tiger II then good luck because you can't pen it under any circumstance which is unfair and feels like an oversight on WG's end.

empty copper Apr 25, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Pretty sure when chickenman says "dps" he means "damage per shot" i.e. alpha. I don't know why he doesn't just say alpha though.

unique storm Apr 25, 2020, 12:26 AM

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It’s nice to sit back and watch the discussion

thick rover Apr 25, 2020, 12:49 AM

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I agree

forest talon Apr 25, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Alpha damage is likely the main reason that atgm lights do better than french lights, a french light with its autoloader must expose often to unload all its shots and can't benefit much from sniping ambush tactics. Atgm tanks on the other hand can deal big damage then retreat to cover or find a new location. Even without missiles atgm lights have to expose less often than french lights. Hit and run tactics like that are why i play tanks like t92e1, t49, borsig, and wt auf. They all have great alpha with pretty decent camo and mobility. At higher tiers basically everyone has a 150mm gun or an autoloader, so having alpha to match them is pretty important

drifting depot Apr 25, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Just give the bat chat 350 alpha per shot and give it better hp to weight ratio, literally all you gotta do is that

nimble zodiac Apr 25, 2020, 5:01 AM

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@jagged crescent When I say DPS I mean damage per shot

drifting depot Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Dps = damage per second-damage per shot
Damage per shot = alpha

nimble zodiac Apr 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Who the heck uses damage per second in this game? "Sheridan has a DPS of 41.566"... Bruh...

thick rover Apr 25, 2020, 5:23 AM

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😛

drifting depot Apr 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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I'm saying one of its meanings...

peak star Apr 25, 2020, 6:46 AM

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you should add wheels on world of thanks diltz like in the pc

remote oriole Apr 25, 2020, 6:49 AM

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People hate those things more than arty on PC and that is quite a statement

fossil crag Apr 25, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Oh yes, EBR 105. Please add as a Tier 10 Collector. 🙏

crystal spoke Apr 25, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Wheeled tanks having the top speed equal to our mid range light tanks would be the only way I can see the being added

peak star Apr 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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is there one shot one kill on world of thanks diltz cuase i never get a one shot one kill its kind of hard

solid acorn Apr 25, 2020, 7:32 AM

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World of tanks Blitz*

drifting depot Apr 25, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Ammo racks:

nimble zodiac Apr 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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KV-2 when high rolling HE or hitting a tier V:

dusk arrow Apr 25, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Or a light tank anyways

drifting depot Apr 25, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Or deathstar max rolling a grille and setting it on fire

swift cradle Apr 25, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Wheeled tanks having the top speed equal to our mid range light tanks would be the only way I can see the being added
@crystal spoke faster or fast as sheridan

urban hinge Apr 25, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Hey

nocturne mauve Apr 25, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Honestly why were heavies buffed, it makes the game extremely slow

round bluff Apr 25, 2020, 3:54 PM

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wouldve liked to see an armor buff to the e100 over a generic hp buff tbh. Thing is just a damage pinata.

nocturne mauve Apr 25, 2020, 4:03 PM

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It’s already enough, they never needed to give HP

remote oriole Apr 25, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Yeah, the hp buff was in no way a balancing change. It was a meta change, or rather a change of how heavies should be played. Instead of being armoured mediums you can now just crush into the enemy lines and actually use them as break-through tanks. Just a shame for all other classes

dreamy rapids Apr 25, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I personally think the wz tier x td needs a buff and the stats show. The mobility is awful making the armor worthless

jagged crescent Apr 25, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It's a worse e3 to me lmao

crystal spoke Apr 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@swift cradle them being faster is where they get there complaints from

wicked jackal Apr 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Ballance? Try to win anything with 60+ wr players running around spamming missiles

nimble zodiac Apr 25, 2020, 6:43 PM

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balance changes are meta changes and vice versa

verbal thistle Apr 25, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@left grail @unique scaffold @abstract marsh @charred comet
Is anyone of you available now?
I need to discuss one important issue

frigid tusk Apr 25, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Nerf the is4. 2. Nerf the is4. 3. Nerf tiger 2, it needed a buff but now the tank is insane. 4. Buff other forgotten tanks like Amx m4 45 or Centurion

nocturne mauve Apr 25, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Nerf AX and mk1 defender

nimble zodiac Apr 25, 2020, 11:07 PM

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At least give Caernarvon some advantage over AX

static thicket Apr 25, 2020, 11:18 PM

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T28 buff when WG?

unique scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 12:22 AM

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WG wont answer here

sly mauve Apr 26, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I don't think they even read this :D

crystal spoke Apr 26, 2020, 1:41 AM

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They do and on occasion the even respond

jagged crescent Apr 26, 2020, 2:11 AM

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It does need a buff tho

crystal spoke Apr 26, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Definitely

verbal thistle Apr 26, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Lol
Let's see if someone answers. I mean they are in the server for a reason.

meager condor Apr 26, 2020, 4:56 AM

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bruh make the T28 great again. Now its just the Churchill GC of tier 8

autumn zodiac Apr 26, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Good luck getting a Dev to respond without saying what needs to be discussed 😂

verbal thistle Apr 26, 2020, 5:11 AM

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@left grail @unique scaffold @abstract marsh @charred comet
Is anyone of you available now?
I need to discuss one important issue
@verbal thistle matchmaking

verbal thistle Apr 26, 2020, 5:31 AM

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It's not what you guys think. It's about the reply I got from wargaming customer support

drifting depot Apr 26, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Maus extra 20mm front turret? :/

hallow lake Apr 26, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Please buff the tier 8 American EXP speed. It's soo slow and not only is it a pain to just drive around but you can have a hard time catching up with your team. Iv started games with it and couldn't catch up with my team fast enough and then the ememy team meds flank and kill me

random fiber Apr 26, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Buff t32 Penetration a little bit

unique scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Maus extra 20mm front turret? :/
@drifting depot no , the maus has really good armor , learn how to use the armor you have instead of asking for more ,
@drifting depot well the only weak spot is turret and the little lower plate , that’s all . Okay then if you find it easy to pen people don’t know how to play it , with the armor that the maus has your can over angle your turret and still make it not possible to pen on the side of your turret and the cheeks aswell 😉 little pro tip that everybody should know,

Oops I didn’t know that sry 😁

drifting depot Apr 26, 2020, 8:51 AM

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I don't even have the maus.... I'm saying it cause I find it extremely easy to pen that turret without pramo unlike the vk100 at tier 8 which of course has a hatch, but in terms of the turret itself the cheeks are far harder to pen

And you should know something's wrong when your weakspot is the turret

Btw pinging in an edited message doesn't work.... and I'm saying this from my own perspective when facing a maus WHICH actually knows how to angle....

winged barn Apr 26, 2020, 9:38 AM

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So... you want the maus buffed even more? Why... (coming from a maus user)

drifting depot Apr 26, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Already said why but ssss yeah now that I think about it that's what makes it balanced these days, yikes 3k hp

winged barn Apr 26, 2020, 9:51 AM

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I can easily reduce players to HE splashing me... good luck chewing through 3k doing that.

dark glen Apr 26, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Buff one of the strongest tanks in game? Learn how to angle the armor if you get penned in a 1-1 and thank god we are no seeing tanks without frontal weakspots. I have played the maus enough in CW to know it gets penned by people with aim and can still bounce plenty of shots when used well. Try and 1-1 a maus vs an actual good maus player and you’ll see that that “weak cheeks” are not weak at all.

winged barn Apr 26, 2020, 10:19 AM

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@dark glen no frontal weakspots? If you ignore the tiny tiger 2 hatch...

cries in any tier 7 @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 10:20 AM

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u use prammo, and see the area around the tiger 2 gun, gray 🙂 Or when u face hug it and the upper plate becomes gray with prammo 🤷🏻‍♂️

dark glen Apr 26, 2020, 10:48 AM

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@winged barn I meant at tier 10, I ignore most other tiers most of the time

unique scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 12:35 PM

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@vagrant crater the purpose of this channel is to discuss tank balance... Not to complain about matchmaking.

autumn zodiac Apr 26, 2020, 1:16 PM

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You lost me at matchmaking @verbal thistle

crystal spoke Apr 26, 2020, 2:00 PM

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@vivid vessel its enjoyable and doesn't count a loss

jagged crescent Apr 26, 2020, 5:17 PM

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You're asking to buff what is arguably the toughest tank to grace this game, especially after it got 3k hp. I think you're just bad at angling

winged barn Apr 26, 2020, 11:18 PM

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He was claiming that they were easy to kill. Noobs just turn them into large punching bags I guess.

rose veldt Apr 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Buff tankenstein's HP

thick rover Apr 27, 2020, 12:15 AM

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I think a buff is better put in mobility or DPM

rose veldt Apr 27, 2020, 12:39 AM

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If tankenstein get buff in dpm, M6A2E1 and SU100Y get buff too, if tankenstein get buff in armor, so... KV4 and Tiger P get buff too, different story if tankenstein's HP get buff

thick rover Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 AM

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But if you look at tech tree tanks they have same gun but different DPM, it can be the same here too

dusky cedar Apr 27, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Oi someone answer what dis bs

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low crypt Apr 27, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Well look at the FV201(A45) too

nimble zodiac Apr 27, 2020, 3:06 AM

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@rose veldt they’ve been planning to buff Tankenstein by 250 HP for quite a while soooo @topaz oak flank, also matchmaking is out of the subject here

topaz oak Apr 27, 2020, 3:07 AM

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chinese medium tanks need better matchmaking, especially the T-34-1 because it always faces tier 8 and it barely stands a chance against higher tier tanks, it also has horrible traverse, it needs a buff

hasty mountain Apr 27, 2020, 4:08 AM

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The T-34-1 is one of the best tier 7 meds in the game so I dunno what you mean @topaz oak

pseudo harbor Apr 27, 2020, 4:52 AM

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@topaz oak just fricken face hug heavies, and im in agreement with @hasty mountain, that thing was extremely enjoyable

iron lynx Apr 27, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Crom B has been doing that for ages
Meanwhile Standard B has like -1 gun depression at the rear

nimble zodiac Apr 27, 2020, 4:57 AM

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The turret isn't really hard to pen... (T-34-1) at least for tier 8 heavies

unique scaffold Apr 27, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Loving the WZ-120 medium tank, really a true multirole, I don't feel the lack of gun depression with the 122 mm a liability, except for some rare situations

turbid smelt Apr 27, 2020, 9:45 AM

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you would fine 121 more fun

unique scaffold Apr 27, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Yeah, I still have to do something around 50k out of 275k exp and I will get it

drifting depot Apr 27, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Chinese mediums are pretty good, only deal with them are the low tiers... those are yikes

acoustic shard Apr 27, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Decrease the Kpf's Reload by 0.7 so It will have 13.9 and increase in gun depression from 6 to 7 and it's Heat pen up by 5.

random fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Thats a good idea @acoustic shard

deft glade Apr 27, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Buff the59-Patton’s pen and maybe its frontal armor, because honestly, it has the same canon as the crappy T49 fast reload thing and all we can block is american tank’s bad pen

acoustic shard Apr 27, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Yea I think the Kpf doesn't needs a Massive buff. It just needs a little help to be great.

formal vale Apr 27, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Personally, I just want to see the Kpz get 780 HE damage

fiery nest Apr 27, 2020, 6:07 PM

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The matchmaking should not allow tier V tanks to matchmake with tier IV tanks

unique scaffold Apr 27, 2020, 6:30 PM

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@fiery nest this channel isn't about matchmaking

unique scaffold Apr 27, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@compact cloud A. Read what I just wrote above your post. B. If you feel the need to team shame blur the names out before you post the image

empty ice Apr 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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They should make a channel for people to complain about MM, but just ignore everything in it. @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Apr 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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That would be kind of funny

honest dagger Apr 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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would clean up a lot of the chats lol

unique scaffold Apr 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Make it so that as soon as you post there it auto kicks you from the server 🤣

raven dawn Apr 27, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Chi ri accuracy buff

nimble zodiac Apr 27, 2020, 9:25 PM

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@raven dawn It's actually pretty accurate, maybe you need to install the equipment (Enhanced gun laying drive and Refined gun) and you'll see

crystal spoke Apr 27, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Ok have fun on whatever you switch to

low flint Apr 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

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@dusky cedar

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dusky cedar Apr 28, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Lmao, funny thing about cromwell one is tech tree one has 0 gd at back and cromwell b gets gun depression through hull of 13 degrees.

WG be like: let’s make cromwell a premium tank but what should we change to make it premium? Everything is good except gd let’s give it 13 degrees of gd all around tank.

quasi saffron Apr 28, 2020, 12:54 AM

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So does it shoot itself in the a$$? @dusky cedar

nimble zodiac Apr 28, 2020, 1:08 AM

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It phases right through and hits whatever is behind it

main tulip Apr 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Here's some tanks I think should be buffed:

AMX AC 46
AMX AC 48
T32
VK 168.01 P
Challenger

crystal spoke Apr 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Why the 168? It's only slightly worse than the vk 100 as premis should be

main tulip Apr 28, 2020, 3:22 AM

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It's so much worse
-Bigger weakspots
-slightly less mobile
-weaker turret

nimble zodiac Apr 28, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Buff cupola, that's all

shrewd kiln Apr 28, 2020, 3:59 AM

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The AMXs don't need buffs.
T32 yes, should've been buffed a long time ago.
VK? I am not sure, maybe a slight bit, but that's it.
Challenger? Not sure at all about that tank, don't have it yet and didn't really have much contact with it in the last time.

rapid citrus Apr 28, 2020, 5:05 AM

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the challenger could use a small buff its quite underwhelming. idk if its me or rng but i did not like the grind through the challenger. charioteer is a big step up from it and much better

unique scaffold Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 AM

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T32 needs no buff whatsoever, it is one of the best tanks at going hulldown at t8, that is all you need

drifting depot Apr 28, 2020, 6:46 AM

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198 base penetration.....

Btw about the vk 100, only thing would be 5 kmh better top speed, 20kmh is kinda wack and whoever played the at tanks knows it

winged barn Apr 28, 2020, 10:08 AM

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The t32 is the king of taking shells in tier 8.

fallow eagle Apr 28, 2020, 10:46 AM

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T32 might be king at taking shells in tier 8 but when you can't go hull down,it gets shredded.The problem is you can't compete with tanks like tiger 2 in a 1v1 with 198 pen

candid whale Apr 28, 2020, 2:28 PM

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from the words of Quickybaby, "All you need to do is dab the 2 key."

acoustic shard Apr 28, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Buff the Kpf's reload from 14.6 to 13.4 and It's apcr pen From 240 to 255 and it's Heat pen From 305 to 330 and it's Gun dpression From 6 to about 7 or 8.

autumn zodiac Apr 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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198mm of Penetration is plenty in tier 8. Anyone who isn't satisfied with that either started with German tanks or Soviet heavies

compact nymph Apr 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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It’s got the second lowest penetration amongst T8 heavies. Seeing how t8 battles are now, I wouldn’t call « plenty » 198mm of pen, wich is lower than a bunch of same tier mediums or lower tier tanks. Still, the turret remains pretty solid.

orchid grove Apr 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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@compact nymph It might have low pen for a heavy, but it's still better than most mediums. Also, T32 is somewhat mobile, so there shouldn't be too many issues rotating it, especially with super speed boost.

frozen summit Apr 28, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Ive got an issue during playing new mod, sometimes my scope breaks and i cant use sniper Mode. Anyone had that problem?

raven dawn Apr 28, 2020, 9:03 PM

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chi ri would be more balanced if it had 100/60/35mm of armor hull and turret and its apcr penned 200mm

And 198 is enough pen to get the job done in t8.
T32 has a semi strong hull and great turret. 198 pen is all you’ll need. If you need more pen for fortified targets fire apcr or aim at hatches.

Vk 100 is balanced imo

Kpz pz is good, but i somewhat agree with it having more pen

distant river Apr 28, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Lol what do WG thing 100 less dpm will do to the standard b? I haven't played it much and I'm still grinding the crew but I've played enough to realise that thing is stupidly broken in the hands of a good player

full dew Apr 28, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Uh yeah Tiger 131 buff when?

noble siren Apr 28, 2020, 10:15 PM

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BuT iTwIlL bEcOmE bAd As ThE tIeR 10

fiery turtle Apr 28, 2020, 10:40 PM

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IMO, WG should nerf all the Tier IV tanks really hard - and then give them all preferential matchmaking, so they are always top tier.

To rebalance them for preferential matchmaking, the Tier IV tanks could all have their top guns, top turrets, top engines and top suspensions deleted. (Except for the Alecto, which should lose its higher penetrating 6-pdr stock gun instead of the top AT gun.)

This would mean that Tier IV's only real advantages over Tier III's would be more armour and more hit points (although removing top turrets reduces hit points somewhat). Some Tier III's would actually be faster and more agile than Tier IV's (BT-7).

This should be applied to the Tier IV collector tanks as well - the ones that used to be in the tech tree. That means, for example, the D.W.2 and M3 Lee lose their superb guns, which they don't need if they aren't fighting Tier V's anymore.

As for the Tier IV's that are or used to be premium tanks, they should just be nerfed.
I'd recommend that to be rebalanced for preferential MM, the T6E1 and A-32 could lose 50 horsepower from their engines, the Hetzer Kame lose 10 degrees of hull traverse, and the Pz.Kpfw.B2 740(f) should lose 20 degrees of hull traverse. The Valentine II is fine as it is, since its gun is awful it can keep its speed and traverse.

Regarding the reason why WG should do this, it's in their financial interests to. Removing the top modules from all Tier IV tanks means that new players would not need to research them - meaning that they would progress to Tier V a bit faster. And since they would always be bottom tier in their Tier V's, they will be strongly encouraged to spend money to get their Tier VI tanks sooner, and get themselves out of the Tier V bottom tier rut.

distant river Apr 28, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Wow that's a huge essay about an irrelevant tier that's not in need of a change...

nimble zodiac Apr 28, 2020, 10:43 PM

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We don’t need newer players getting into higher tiers faster. That’s too aggressive of a learning curve, but nerf M3 Lee lol

drifting depot Apr 28, 2020, 11:00 PM

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You forgot to mention the already annoying seal clubbers...

fiery turtle Apr 28, 2020, 11:05 PM

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@nimble zodiac
But WG do need newer players getting into higher tiers faster. New players spend the most money on the game.

Tier IV is irrelevant to existing players like us, but important for new players, as they spend more than 2 or 3 games in Tier IV while grinding Tier V's. If they get frustrated in Tier IV they are likely to quit the game.

Seal clubbers would be happy at the idea of Tier IV being always top tier - but when they actually start playing, they will find the heavily nerfed tanks to be crap compared to what they used to be. Most of the clubbers will then go away whining and play another tier.

remote oriole Apr 28, 2020, 11:05 PM

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If they don’t get frustrated at tier four they will get frustrated at tier five

nimble zodiac Apr 28, 2020, 11:11 PM

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@fiery turtle The point of seal clubbing is to play better than your enemies easily. If you get a new player with an A-20, then a seal clubber A-20. Chances are the seal clubber will outplay the new player

What he will be happy about is that the new player, already unfamiliar with the tank, will also have a nerfed tank

fiery turtle Apr 28, 2020, 11:15 PM

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@nimble zodiac
Yes, but that seal clubber in the A-20 will only be doing 70 average damage per shot instead of 120, plus his DPM will be lower, plus his tank will be more sluggish and harder to turn quickly, plus it will have worse turret armour and 30 fewer hit points.

He won't be happy about that.

drowsy plaza Apr 28, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Just need to roll back to +/-2 so everyone complaining about tier 5 now sees what it is like being +1/-2 and getting wrecked as a stock tank when down 2.

autumn zodiac Apr 29, 2020, 2:00 AM

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If only we could have the real matchmaking back, that and -25/+25% penetration

unique scaffold Apr 29, 2020, 11:25 AM

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T57 needs love ;3;

noble siren Apr 29, 2020, 12:12 PM

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The perfect spot in this game is always the tier 9 tanks, you get enormous advantage at lower tier and similar performance at tier 10, for example Wt Pz auf IV is at super spot

nimble zodiac Apr 29, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Well if you play it correctly it's almost always good ._.

fallow eagle Apr 29, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Tier 9 is probably the most fun tier to play.after getting all the modules for a tier 9,you basically have a tier 10 tank

noble siren Apr 29, 2020, 1:35 PM

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@nimble zodiac it's too good

nimble zodiac Apr 29, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Nah, people just fail their HE RNG into the gun a lot

winter fiber Apr 29, 2020, 2:27 PM

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EndToastДнес в 16:17
@winter fiber You cannot

humble nebula Apr 29, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Standard B needs acceleration buff

wicked dome Apr 29, 2020, 3:58 PM

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This game is still not working, i cant start it. Someone have to fix thad

nocturne mauve Apr 29, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Omg... please reverse the heavies buff

round bluff Apr 29, 2020, 4:05 PM

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[above] I disagree with +/-25% penetration. the game needs less rng.
In fact, wg should nerf the rng dispersion down to +/-5 for both penetration and damage rolls.

unique scaffold Apr 29, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Hey off-topic but does anybody know anything about gas mask it’s really important

distant river Apr 29, 2020, 4:19 PM

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@humble nebula No it's still way too good it definitely doesn't need any buff

nocturne mauve Apr 29, 2020, 4:20 PM

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The heavy buffs are too large

distant river Apr 29, 2020, 4:37 PM

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@humble nebula Tier 9 ratings queues are too long for it to be useful, but let me tell you that if I can manage 90% over 31 games with 2.7k average it is broken, and 100 less dpm won't change that at all.

Idk if you deleted that or if someone else did but I didn't read it fully

frozen summit Apr 29, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Can anyone explain me whats new in 6.10 update in short way?

round bluff Apr 29, 2020, 4:56 PM

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heavies cant die anymore, but t92 sure can

willow junco Apr 29, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Imba heavies

nocturne mauve Apr 29, 2020, 5:50 PM

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The heavy buffs should be reverted

nimble zodiac Apr 29, 2020, 7:21 PM

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@unique scaffold irl money, but please ask questions like this elewhere

clear tinsel Apr 29, 2020, 7:28 PM

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update the in game tank models some are incorrect and the others are outa date

nocturne mauve Apr 29, 2020, 7:29 PM

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The game is not correct anyway..

acoustic shard Apr 29, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Decrease the Kpf's Reload Down to 13.5 It's Pen For apcr to 255 and It's Heat From 305 to 330 and it's Gun depression from 6 to 8 degree's. Or Give it normal 152 alpha 640/545/960 or even 900 For the HE and The above mentioned pen and gun depression. Oh and Buff the vindicator.

unique scaffold Apr 29, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Pls nerf the armour of the Helsing and the reload time

nocturne mauve Apr 29, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Bruh Helsing has already been nerfed

nimble zodiac Apr 29, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Lol Helsing is balanced imo, the penetration is bad and it'll hurt the DPM to load APCR so it doesn't remain as much of a threat

crystal spoke Apr 29, 2020, 9:31 PM

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The helsing is fine how it is if your tank cant pen it use pramo besides since the rounds shoot one after the other its possible to bounce or have one miss entirely

scarlet lynx Apr 29, 2020, 9:34 PM

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May I ask? I won on today's stream, but I don't know what, I just tried. Anybody know where I can find out?

full token Apr 29, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I guess they’ll take some to contact everyone, since there’s many (around 30 I think)

scarlet lynx Apr 29, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I guess you're right, it's quite possible 😅

deft crag Apr 29, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I wanted to win the premium pass in the stream

ebon mango Apr 29, 2020, 10:11 PM

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buffs: Kpf's reload from 14.6 to 12.6
pen buff on all of it's ammo: +25 pen
HE damage + 150
Hull armour +35
lower plate armour +20

Grille reload from 11.3 to 10.3
pen from 279 to 285
Turret rotation +20 more degrees

there happy community

remote oriole Apr 29, 2020, 10:14 PM

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What's everyone's obsession with buffing the KpfPz 70. If you don't like the looks of it is just don't buy it

unique scaffold Apr 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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12.6 is also borderline broken for a reload btw

winged barn Apr 29, 2020, 10:53 PM

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You can also out trade basically every tank, and now have a nice hp pool to work with.

scarlet lynx Apr 29, 2020, 10:55 PM

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The KpfPz 70 has the largest Tier IX alpha damage among heavy tanks... I think the reload is adequate. It's like people who have the K91 want better reload between shots. I also feel like 3.5 seconds is adequate for dpm.

bold dagger Apr 29, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Kpz Pz 70 is supposed to have low DPM

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it should get a gun depression buff to -8 degrees, that's basically all it needs

winged barn Apr 29, 2020, 11:20 PM

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With the hp buff it got, it now needs nothing. It is a very functional tier 9.

jagged crescent Apr 30, 2020, 12:43 AM

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How much did the Jagtiger get buffed by, armor wise

coral pawn Apr 30, 2020, 1:56 AM

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I keep getting matched against impossible odds

karmic steeple Apr 30, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Yeah either buff the armor or the speed

winged barn Apr 30, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Reverse speed is the only buff it needs

fiery turtle Apr 30, 2020, 2:51 AM

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The ARL 44 is hugely OP. It should have its top 90 mm DCA 45 gun removed. Its 90 mm F3 gun is much more appropriate and quite sufficient for a Tier VI tank.

jagged crescent Apr 30, 2020, 3:47 AM

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aim at the paper turret ye dingus

forest talon Apr 30, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Kpfpz highest alpha...barely. it has a 150mm gun but with nerfed damage that makes it hardly better than a 130mm damagewise while keeping the slow reload reload of a 150mm. Meanwhile e75 has way more armor and deals close to the same damage at a faster rate. Kpfpz70 and Tankenstein were some of the few heavy buffs I agree with. Kpf for its low dpm and Tankenstein because it's been so outclassed by the shift in meta towards speed and it is very slow. I'm a bit disappointed that tog 2 only got 10 hp though while other tier 6 tanks got about 200... the only thing tog really has is it's massive hp, so to narrow that gap is a great injustice to the tank. Tiger 2 can go rot... I'm sick of seeing that tank with all its buffs

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 6:31 AM

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"Barely" has the highest alpha? 560 is much greater than 460, and it doesn't need that much DPM (or an insane 20 degree turret traverse buff), and is supposed to outtrade enemies, not brawl. IN FACT Kpf has slightly more DPM than E75 so that second argument is done. Interesting, BlitzHangar shows more DPM for Kpf and probably rounded up E75's DPM to 2260

crystal spoke Apr 30, 2020, 6:35 AM

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For easy reference

📎 Screenshot_20200430-023540_Samsung_Internet.jpg

unique scaffold Apr 30, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Lol e75 even has more pen than kpz

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Oof E75 has a lead in HP by 150...

winged barn Apr 30, 2020, 7:39 AM

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Kpz has a low profile and front mounted turret. Add a speed advantage as well.

unique scaffold Apr 30, 2020, 7:41 AM

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That literally doesnt matter if it has no gun dep and a gigantic turret

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Like everyone here wants kpf to be op, just leave the tank alone it's great rn

potent willow Apr 30, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Does anyone know if they will be a event

acoustic shard Apr 30, 2020, 1:30 PM

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It won't Be op With Slight Buffs to the reload 14.6 to 13.7 Gun depression to -8 And Real Heavy tank Pen. 255 on Apcr and 330 on the Heat. If a E75 Face Hugs you can barly even pen the Turret Front. Nearly every Other Heavy's With Heat Have 320 to 340 prem penpen Wile the Kpf Gets med pen at 305.

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 2:34 PM

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LOL if you could pen the turret front of the E75 as easily as you'd like something's gotta change. Anyways, 305mm of pen is fine, I have no idea what you're shooting at

gilded bramble Apr 30, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Is it just me or is the crusader slower than it should be? A crusader is suppose to be fast but a Panzer IV that’s suppose to be slower feels faster than the crusader

turbid smelt Apr 30, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Sheridan is so bad lel
like cringe

📎 sheribad.mp4

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Oh wow the Sheridan dies like any other tank when it gets caught by the enemy alone -_-

turbid smelt Apr 30, 2020, 4:35 PM

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ikr, like cringe
if t22 and e50m would be in same situation they would be much harder to take out
unlike that fake op tank

@unique scaffold happy birthday in advance!

@nimble zodiac video is inspired from a player who posted same just opposite situation

unique scaffold Apr 30, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Hey tomorrow is gonna be my birthday!

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 4:39 PM

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@turbid smelt a good Sheridan player would've just ran away so their team can annihilate whoever would be chasing it. @unique scaffold happy early B-Day ._.

ancient elk Apr 30, 2020, 5:00 PM

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just a thought on the list of tanks waiting to get into a battle at the start. Since the presence of platoons affects the team makeup, I was thinking that a new category could be added which shows how many platoons there are in the que for each tier. Might give a player an idea as you why it takes 2 minutes to get into a battle and also just for info. As I said, just a thought for the next version.

raven dawn Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Kpz is fine imo just buff pen to 245 or 250 and thats it

dark glen Apr 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Use a replay of one meh player as evidence LOL, tank is far from broken, doesn’t mean the mechanic isn’t

crimson cosmos Apr 30, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Okay, so I’m writing this, not to start another uprising and a wreckfest like it was, but to speak my peace, I’m not against removing ATGM’s, personally I believe they’re a critical part of developing the game and making it special. But I would like to talk about the Sheridan in itself. Speaking about It’s armor in game,
<cropped due to character limits>
Again I’ll link sources, so have a good day tankers, have fun in uprising, and for those who took time out of their day to read this, let’s make a difference, let’s make this count.

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/US/M551_Sheridan.php
@minor minnow I know I’m late to the party here.... But you do realize that the M551 Sheridan is not the tank we have in game? WG used one of the proposed prototypes variants. It’s actually a variant that was rejected because the flotation compartments (modeled in-game as the spaced armor) made it too large and too heavy to be air transportable as required by the US Army’s RFP. If all this has already been covered I apologize. But I wanted to be certain we were all on the same historical page.

Tank Encyclopedia

152mm Gun-Launcher AR/AAV M551 Sheridan

The M551 Sheridan was an American cold war airborne tank designed to fire antitank missile to compensate its lack of protection, used in Vietnam and the gulf

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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SO that's why it's the XM551 Sheridan?

nocturne mauve Apr 30, 2020, 7:29 PM

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What’s the difference between XM551 and M551

unique scaffold Apr 30, 2020, 7:38 PM

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exterior armor design and some hatches

nocturne mauve Apr 30, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Another failed nerf to the T92, who would’ve known...

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 9:03 PM

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At least 122mm+s can overmatch the front plate now

full token Apr 30, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Armor nerf was good imo

nocturne mauve Apr 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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It’s still not fair taking a 500 nuke to your roof is it?

nimble zodiac Apr 30, 2020, 9:33 PM

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It's not a failed nerf if the nerf wasn't designated to make missiles worse ;)

ruby cloud May 1, 2020, 12:46 AM

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The, KpfPz (Kpz) 70, Just could have some slight, ok just only, some slightly buffs, a better penetration & gun depression, as some people mentioned it already, an speed/maneuverability buff, imo, not really but it wouldn’t be bad for it.. and this are my thoughts about that tank

sly mauve May 1, 2020, 1:12 AM

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No buff for kpf, there are worse T9 heavies like is8. It's just a slightly worse than best t9 tanks and that's how it should be.

forest talon May 1, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Tbh the t92e1 nerf makes missiles more important... I almost never used missiles before the nerf because I found apcr more reliable. Now I have to use missiles if I want to pen at all because even tier 8 tanks are solid red to apcr. Nerfed armor means it's more important to stay behind cover (use missiles). Nerfed apcr means I have to use prammo more to pen (also using missiles). Of course they will probably keep doing nerfs like this that make them more dependant upon missiles before removing missiles and leaving all the previous nerfs. Worth noting that t49 at tier 8 has faster reload and better dpm than t92e1 at tier 9 and t49 easily pens t92e1... pretty sure they can even pen HE now. Of course t92e1 is much more accurate and more reliable vs other tanks

turbid smelt May 1, 2020, 3:06 AM

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@dark glen well if you could read, you wouldn't have had the need to type all of that

winged barn May 1, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Why is everyone calling for buffs to the kpz? It is certainly not poor preforming. The turret is solid enough, the speed is very nice for a heavy, the alpha is very nice, the accuracy is perfectly fine, the pen is fine with the speed it has (I can still HEAT an e75 frontally), and it is very low giving it the ability to find plenty of cover.

autumn thistle May 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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because the kpf is a cheap tier 9 prem that many people own so obviously thered be a bunch of bad kpf owners asking for it to be buffed

nocturne mauve May 1, 2020, 4:13 AM

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The Kpf is a bit underwhelming though...

winged barn May 1, 2020, 4:15 AM

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The maus is also undwelming. It needs an armor buff.

autumn thistle May 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

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kpf does its job well enough tbh

drifting depot May 1, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Note for all of you: heavies not heavy's

unique scaffold May 1, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Kpf doesnt need a buff right now

round bluff May 1, 2020, 5:16 AM

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t9 heavies all have like 2k hp now. for the most part they're fine. Can we talk about why the e50 still has 220 base pen?

dark glen May 1, 2020, 6:29 AM

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@dark glen well if you could read, you wouldn't have had the need to type all of that
@turbid smelt I did and I stand by it, unless u used sarcasm which is hard to notice written down with unknown people

turbid smelt May 1, 2020, 6:38 AM

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@dark glen the video is sarcasm material, it was inspired by some player who posted same yolo thing but with Sheridan

nimble zodiac May 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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@daring sinew this isn’t vehicle balance related, and don’t say it that often :/

dark glen May 1, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Ok sry then

minor plover May 1, 2020, 11:23 AM

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I think this game is unbalanced.

gleaming apexBOT May 1, 2020, 11:41 AM

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dynoSuccess Ǹ̸̑Ḯ̷̳Ĉ̷̀Ê̷̚G̴͋͐Ú̴̈́Y̴͌͐#7068 was softbanned

odd girder May 1, 2020, 11:51 AM

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Churchill VII is horrible

odd girder May 1, 2020, 12:25 PM

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any advice?

drifting depot May 1, 2020, 1:34 PM

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I would argue is actually pretty close to op.... that frontal armor at tier 6 and that speed make it the equivalent of a super heavy imo, smaller gun and really small hatches tho

fossil spruce May 1, 2020, 1:39 PM

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t34 mantlet need spaced armor

unique scaffold May 1, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Nothing ever pens it anyways so what is the point

orchid grove May 1, 2020, 2:49 PM

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@fossil spruce T34 mantlet is spaced armor

chilly crane May 1, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Kpf needs penetration buff at least

dusky cedar May 1, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Pershing moves slower than tortoise, buff the power to weight ratio

remote oriole May 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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The Pershing doesn't move slower than the Tortoise. Even the Super Pershing doesn't because the Tortoise has a speed limit of 20 kph

noble siren May 1, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Nerf STB plz

noble siren May 1, 2020, 5:07 PM

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It's too versatile for a medium tank

nimble zodiac May 1, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Despite all of Leo1's advantages, it performs worse than it because of dat turret armor

noble siren May 1, 2020, 5:47 PM

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the gun depression allowing it to make a good use of the turret armor

noble siren May 1, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Can we replace the ATGM with HEAT

minor minnow May 1, 2020, 7:41 PM

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The ATGM’s are classed as heat, so no

nimble zodiac May 1, 2020, 7:48 PM

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unguided HEAT he meant ._.

main tulip May 1, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Can we buff the challenger pls

nimble zodiac May 1, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Challenger presents no challenge

unique scaffold May 1, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Yes I still don't understand how that tank hadn't been buffed already. It's really bad

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It was nerfed for a reason people

remote oriole May 1, 2020, 9:52 PM

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@unique scaffold The Charioteer was nerfed, not the Challenger

vale sun May 1, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Can the tech tree brit meds have the special consumables please? They need a breath of fresh air and WG already gave them to the Chimera, a premium british medium tank.

nimble zodiac May 2, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Challenger was, and still is very underwhelming

raven dawn May 2, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Hello? Can someone add a better system so that i can aim my missiles over walls better? It’s bothersome how it is now. Maybe we can have some kind of automatic function so i just need to click?

nimble zodiac May 2, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Please no, missiles are already capable enough, the less, the better

unique scaffold May 2, 2020, 7:46 AM

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i mean, no, i already make shots worthy being called a hacker simply because its kinda impossible sometimes, looping them around houses or over hills with pure luck, there should not be an automatic version to that. imo rockets as theyre now, theyre good. nothing less nothing more. rockets with autoaim were there already and they were devastating and no time balanced so, nope

bold dagger May 2, 2020, 8:29 AM

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@steady parcel only english is allowed on the server

gleaming apexBOT May 2, 2020, 8:29 AM

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dynoSuccess xd wrocilem#8210 has been warned.

noble siren May 2, 2020, 8:59 AM

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You know you can't expect any brain activity from people when there individuals who inject household disinfectants @steady parcel gotta deal with the noobs around

formal osprey May 2, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Hey guys, just reaching out to say that tier IX and X is so broken now because ATGMS. Can some of you maybe like need the damage?

unique scaffold May 2, 2020, 10:47 AM

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u know they only have 560 avg dmg with 18-15 reload and 210-230 mm pen ap and 310mm heat with 1.8k-2.1k dpm there not that bad

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what would be better all tanks had cred boost cos 4.7k dmg and 3 kills with a 1st class only used 9 ap 1 he with 1 Adrenaline for -678 creds in OBJ. 268 thats a good tank with a good battle oh and a victory i would of thought i gotten at least 25k earned like higher the tier more u get obj. 268 cost me 9 million how many battles is it going to take me to get anywere close to getting profit. leave a 👍 if u think cred boost on all tanks be in the game higher the tier more u get

latent snow May 2, 2020, 11:42 AM

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it think you were camping

unique scaffold May 2, 2020, 11:51 AM

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nope...ok maybe like for like 2 mins but only cos am getting shots

leaden bough May 2, 2020, 12:39 PM

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I think it's clear that the B-C 25t is not as good as the Sherida, no doubt so What I would is to give the B-C 25t the best View Range of the Game (like 300m or something like that) , so it can match up against Sheridans

turbid smelt May 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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@raven dawn you are few years late
pc players could do that in t49a

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@leaden bough bc can outspot Sheridan due to slightly better camo rating

issue with bc is its poor flexibility, it has 6° of depression and something similar level of elevation
(this disabled type of flexibility doesn't even allow to use ussr tank style of creating fake gun depression with use of gun elevation and terrain)
~~this can't be helped as its model doesn't have much room for gun to move on horizontal axis~~

whereas Sheridan has 10° of gun depression, 20° of elevation and missiles (which with bit of practice and tactical use can make its already superior flexibility to gawdly flex)

gun handling is better than that of Sheridan but Sheridan gun handling for that big gun is superb

bc would be better if its 105mm gun could do 105mm gun type of damage
but this can be considered as unnecessary buff idea, as tank is still performing well and is in no dire need of buff

off topic I still believe rocket rounds need penetration nuffed to 250 or 280mm they can be controlled in air unlike standard premium rounds so they don't need to have penetration level of standard premium rounds

I can reliably hit side and rear of tanks and penetrate my target

acoustic shard May 2, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Buff the Kpfs Reload From 14.6 to 13.6 and It's Pen on Apcr From 240 to 255 and It's Heat pen From 305 to 330. And It's Gun depression to -8

remote oriole May 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I mean... balance is a bit bad anyways, so why not overbuff? It didn’t really do much with the T-62A either (and I bet that’s because of the soft stats because the in-game performance just so much doesn’t match the gun stats)

noble siren May 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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@turbid smelt what if I need to use it like a normal premium ammo and want to pen from the front, without all that aiming in the sky and etc?

turbid smelt May 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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@noble siren
it is a light tank, so you need to flank/out maneuver tanks (it has great mobility)

the thing I want it to be is to stay unique without making other shell types useless
like fv 4202
you don't need to have ability to gun blaze armoured tank from front and still be able to do something special which is only unique to you

@nimble zodiac they do 350 with standard
100mm gun do 270 on lower tier and 310 at higher tier

nimble zodiac May 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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@turbid smelt don’t 105mms do 310 damage except from those buffed ones that do 320?

nimble zodiac May 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Lowe is a 105mm with 310 damage 🤔 I see, the Leopards reflect this, 105 and 350, all about the tier

drowsy plaza May 2, 2020, 7:35 PM

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The WW2 10.5cm do 310, post war NATO 105mm do 350 (except the BC)

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Simple aspect is more modern rounds with better propellant, high pressure and more effective design.

formal vale May 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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105mm guns:
Tier 8 and below = 310 dmg
Tier 9 and higher = 350 dmg (excluding BC)

This has some exceptions like the M4A1 Rev. and Charioteer which have 350dmg. The main thing is that these have "tier 10" guns on them, meaning they're balanced to fit at tier 8 but the guns themselves could work at tier 10 if they had better pen and RoF.

100mm guns:
Tier 8 and below = 280dmg
Tier 9 and above = 310 dmg

Again, some exceptions here. The AMX 50 100 has a 100mm that does 310dmg per shot (this applies to a lot of the French tanks as well). Stock guns dont count here as well (like on the T-54) since they're "tier 8" guns.

unique scaffold May 2, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Also charioteer has the L7 meanwhile BCS 105mms are still of older design

remote oriole May 2, 2020, 10:13 PM

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T54E1 would like to have a chat with some people here

drowsy plaza May 2, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Yeah the T54E1 got boned for alpha when they upped the pen.

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Also the K-91 got a 105mm alpha bump for its 100mm

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Which really makes the T54E1 cry

unique scaffold May 2, 2020, 10:18 PM

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And the T54E1 still doesn't' have HE...

remote oriole May 2, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Ah well, it’s a bit of a sad story. It was a tank that worked really well and was very enjoyable, and just the right thing after the T69 primed you for careful auto-loader fighting. Sadly that all went kind of down into the trashcan after the alpha nerf.

But that wasn’t really my point, it was just another example of a 105mm being adjusted downwards with its alpha. Especially lately WG was very creative with alpha, and I think one can expect that this trend will continue.

solar osprey May 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

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why is thw at8, at7, at15 and tortise so slow

nocturne mauve May 3, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Because they are

drowsy plaza May 3, 2020, 1:35 AM

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@solar osprey because anyone grinding towards the 183 deserves pain.

solar osprey May 3, 2020, 1:36 AM

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what why

drowsy plaza May 3, 2020, 1:36 AM

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They are slow rather ponderous TD’s with decent armor and good RoF

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Besides the T28 considers them very fast.

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The speed is a balancing feature

nimble zodiac May 3, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Lots of armor = lessened speed, though they make somewhat bad use of the armor, making it flat and whatnot

forest talon May 3, 2020, 4:38 AM

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At2 is the only really good armor in that line. As the line progresses the firepower gets better and the armor gets worse. At7 is meant to be a corner shot tank. The armor is pretty good but the big thing is being able to hide almost your entire tank behind a wall. At15 is the last decent armor in the line and has decent firepower. Tortoise has great firepower but a lot of big weak spots in the armor. Once you get to 183... basically no armor at all but a really big boom

cosmic narwhal May 3, 2020, 5:20 AM

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One question. Why is E25’s APCR damage is 120-200 when Panther’s AP is 120-200 as well? Isn’t supposed to be that APCRs are less damage than APs?
Another, that the gun of E25 is Tier 6 and the Panther’s Gun is Tier 8 which Panther has greater penetration than E25. But the damage are the same..
So... I’m just asking this that the Panther’s Gun 7.5 cm needs to buff it’s damage like 130-210 or +.

unique scaffold May 3, 2020, 5:25 AM

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????? @cosmic narwhal if you bothered to look e25 has APCR as it’s standard round not its premium round and thus it’s treated with normal properties and if you bothered to look at both of the guns they are exact same caliber it doesn’t need an alpha buff because it already rolls high enough

mellow cape May 3, 2020, 5:29 AM

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APCR is just an ammo type, just like AP, HEAT and HE.
The alpha damage is dependent on what the ammo is, for example APCR is standard ammo on some tanks, while some have even HEAT as standard

glass pagoda May 3, 2020, 5:44 AM

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@cosmic narwhal simple
1st: E25's gun is the same caliber as the panther's gun so hence the same alpha
2nd: E25 has APCR as its standard ammunition not premium so yeah there will be no difference in alpha
3rd: The guns being different tiers don't really matter

nimble zodiac May 3, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Unless it's an excuse to make the module cheap/expensive

flat bane May 3, 2020, 6:19 AM

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WG should give back the old stats for the stock, non-autoloading, 155MM cannon on the Foch-155. It would give more of a reason to play the stock 155MM and may give the auto loader somewhat of a competition.

harsh ravine May 3, 2020, 6:57 AM

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nah, give the autoloader .1 sec intervals between each clip and max reloading time of 1 sec

hollow oasis May 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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the buff on T32 doesnt help much that the PEN sucks

winged barn May 3, 2020, 12:02 PM

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The t32 is fine

chilly crane May 3, 2020, 12:36 PM

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T32 isn't fine, it's gun is bad, bad mobility, only turret is good

civic scaffold May 3, 2020, 12:47 PM

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I think they should nerf the Tiger II's 'Lower plate'
by maybe 20mm
like it's not even a weakpoint anymore
wait what

turbid smelt May 3, 2020, 12:49 PM

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it was never a weakspot

turbid smelt May 3, 2020, 1:24 PM

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yeah they only buffed ufp
as soon as yolo med players found ufp is not as easy to penetrate anymore, they started spamming tiger 2 op

unique scaffold May 3, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Because it is op
The tank has amazing gun, great mobility and now all of that armor, it's such a stupid tank.
As soon as it goes hulldown, pretty much every tank can go back to garage right away
Tank must have frontal weakspots, otherwise it's just op

remote oriole May 3, 2020, 1:31 PM

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They also buffed the lower plate of the Tiger II. Which is by the way what made it op, not the buff to the upper plate

turbid smelt May 3, 2020, 1:35 PM

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all that armour falls in ez pen as soon as bit of angles are introduced specifically with turrent

if you don't mind spending premium shells you would go through ufp without need of aiming

unique scaffold May 3, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Oh really? You seem to forget it has 100mm side armor, a bit of angling will only increase the armor thickness. Also as I said if it goes hulldown, pretty much only tds with prem can pen it.
Yes when you use prem with for example is5 you can pen it only on flat ground, otherwise you're dead. It will pen you every time and you can't even circle it as it's at least as fast as you

remote oriole May 3, 2020, 1:41 PM

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The issue with prammo is that it’s decreasing your alpha, which makes you less effective against your target while your target can shoot back at you with full efficiency. Also, prammo can easily be negated by using the gundepression or by sidescraping

turbid smelt May 3, 2020, 1:50 PM

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it has turrent cheeks as weakspots even while hulldown

it doesn't have mobility of wz 120 1ft in any shape or form, it can cod quite comfortably

it has 100mm and 80mm side
angling abit wouldn't certainly harm but it can be penned
i even mentioned turrent specifically, its angled sides are like pikenose as soon as bit of angle is introduced they instantly lose their effectiveness

tank is definitely strong but not op

crystal spoke May 3, 2020, 2:43 PM

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It's also not going to receive any nerf to its frontal armour as according to ribble its preforming as expected in that regard but if there were going to need it it would be mobility or traverse

remote oriole May 3, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I don’t know what your definition of op is, but the Tiger II is the closest you will get to op in tier eight amongst tanks that are played in over 1% of the battles. Just look at the stats in #devs-answers if you can’t believe it.

About the turret cheeks, they are the same or a similar deal as with the E50; everyone goes like “you can pen them, no problem” and whatever, but the truth is that they are a pain to hit with the gun mantlet and a bit of moving around by the driver.
And yes, you can penetrate it. But nobody ever claimed that this tank is op solely because of it’s armour, what people said is that the armour buff made it op, because it resulted in a quite frankly overpowered overall package thanks to the previously amazing gun stats and the average mobility

nocturne mauve May 3, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Tiger 2 is too strong, average mobility, insane gun, and the only frontal weakspot is a really small hatch...

distant river May 3, 2020, 2:52 PM

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@turbid smelt Average med prammo pen is 253mm. The picture is the T26E4 with 258mm APCR. The tiger is on flat ground with no cover, and yet it will still be very bouncy with wiggling against higher than average med prammo.

It has the mobility to keep relatively near meds as well as a great gun, as well as being very resistant to med prammo without even using it's gun depression or any cover. If you think you can consistently hit the cheeks (with prammo so another hit to your dpm) then you are wrong.

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civic scaffold May 3, 2020, 3:00 PM

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did i just accidentally started a lenghty af argument about Tiger II lol?

tame fox May 3, 2020, 3:24 PM

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For some reason though, I cannot seem to get the Tiger 2 to work for me.... VK 100.01P is way easier. However, those performance stats look pretty convincing

noble siren May 3, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Tiger ll should get like ufp buff and lfp nerf, they should switch their effectiveness

unique scaffold May 3, 2020, 3:40 PM

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@noble siren it will face hug more then and will be harder to pen 🤷🏻‍♂️ Another reason for people to complain, innit. @drowsy plaza 😂 Sides and rear? What does that have to do with anything, i don’t really get it. I don’t have any issue whatsoever with the thing, i like it this way, still a german tank that can easily get penned on the side or when turret is turned even a little bit, when facehugging russian prems still have a chance penning it by switching to prammo and penning the UFP or the mantlet. When going hulldown, other hulldown heavies can easily pen with prammo , the mantlet. Nerf its mobility, make it a truly heavy tank.

drowsy plaza May 3, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Cupola

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Sides

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Rear

nocturne mauve May 3, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Bruh it’s literally flatter than a pancake, at least other heavy tanks of its tier have fair weakspots. Performance charts show that it has the best tier 8 performance as well, is that not enough proof for you?

drowsy plaza May 3, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@unique scaffold Personally I don’t have a problem killing Tiger 2’s. But I think it’s a tad overcooked as the majority of the player base can’t aim or move apparently.

noble siren May 3, 2020, 3:51 PM

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@unique scaffold I mean it will be easier to pen frontally and all tanks will have a chance to pen so I think it would be a good idea.

indigo knot May 3, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Now that it is one of the least HP pool heavy from being the one of highest....I think it might just be fine now

drowsy plaza May 3, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@indigo knot Pretty sure you hit upon one of WG’s new balancing methods.

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The Heavy HP buff in 9-6 where not done the same way that X was

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Several tanks on the top of their Tier- T2 and Defender got minimal HP buffs

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We really hadn’t seen HP movement much (other than the FV215b) since 1.9 (IIRC it was 1.9) with the Maus and E100 losing HP back then

indigo knot May 3, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Well still they could have used this opportunity to kinda try balancing Smasher, Action X....
Like I personally think ActionX is on par with Tiger2 is not better....should have been given same HP as Tiger2
While Smasher shouldn't have been given any HP buff at all...even some of the WG clan players are rocking 80%WR in it

nocturne mauve May 3, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Action X is way better than tiger 2

jaunty violet May 3, 2020, 5:10 PM

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action x is a bit better than tiger 2

turbid smelt May 3, 2020, 5:10 PM

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@distant river mate your screenshot says 96% chance of penetration when its bit angled, this case is with same tier meds

I am wrecking tiger2s here in my m4fl10, just playing like meds should be played
Not 1v1ing a heavy from front

M4fl10 is not a supermobile tank
it has like 202mm of pen with its apcr rounds... and I don't use any of the 9 rounds I carry
because flanking is a thing, meds are stronger in packs or just being in support role instead of trying to pretend meds are mbts...

jagged crescent May 3, 2020, 5:15 PM

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mini buff the upper plate, nerf the lower plate
give it a tad more hp
ez

turbid smelt May 3, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Its ufp and turrent weakspots is what keeping it from not achieving unstoppable glory-ness, buffing ufp would make it resistant to gold round and then players would complain more as it is already too hard to play mediums like mediums and not like heavies.

its lower plate is pretty smol and very easy to hide

just like maximov pointed out...

round bluff May 3, 2020, 5:26 PM

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how do you guys justify that the t32 is fine when its in the same tier as roflstomper tiger 2

nimble zodiac May 3, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I dunno, apparently this is the only place you can ever pen when T32 does this, and that seems like a good defense but it almost never plays out this way. I'd be fine if Tiger II pulled a Tiger I and received a stronger UFP but a weaker LFP in return, maybe buff the turret front too

For Tiger II to have a LFP weakspot it would have the advantages it usually has if it hides the LFP, and I think that's fair. I don't have many problems against it but not many players like gambling on the cupola, and just load gold on em

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What’s cool is that Tiger II can pull a pretty good sidescrape, where the offensive one has ~220mm effective turret front, and 250mm UFP. The defensive one shows 320mm+ only

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distant river May 3, 2020, 6:20 PM

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@turbid smelt 96% chance of penetration on a small part of the hull providing the tiger isn't using the equipment. Any rng taking your shot somewhere other than exactly where you are aiming and you will bounce. For most med prammo it's completely red as I have already said, the SP was slightly above average but close enough to show my point.

I am wrecking tier 9 meds in my tiger 2 just playing it like it should be played. Not letting the reds get into a position to hit my weakspots.

Tanks cannot be balanced because it's possible to flank them when distracted. Tanks cannot be balanced when you are relying on having numbers over the reds. Tanks need to be penetrable at least somewhere to med prammo on flat ground. I shouldn't be able to see a tiger in the middle of the open and think "oh no he's in too good a position I can't do anything except get out of my position". Being in the open is not a good position and you should be punished for it.

nocturne mauve May 3, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Tiger 2 is too forgiving to its user

drowsy sinew May 3, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Tiger 2 has great armor, but that cupola is its weakness. Weak Side and back armor also screws it over, but if you point your front to someone then it’s a good tank. But why tiger 2 when u have VK 100.01 p?

drowsy plaza May 3, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Mobility

nimble zodiac May 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Well VK 100.01 P has a terrible LFP, as well as a pretty big cupola, though it's hard to pen as a tier 7. It has better armor when hiding the weakspots, say, a right-side sidescrape. Yes it's cumbersome in comparison to the Tiger II, and yes the long reload lets enemies trade back or even rush them, but it's still a solid tank if used effectively

jaunty violet May 3, 2020, 6:27 PM

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i do way better in tiger 2 than vk100.01p, its personal preference. Just like e100 vs maus

drowsy plaza May 3, 2020, 6:28 PM

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@nocturne mauve @jaunty violet The AX requires some skill. A good player can totally dominate in it (and the T26E5) while the T2 is more forgiving for those with less skill.

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Vk 100 is just there to be farmed.

distant river May 3, 2020, 6:43 PM

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That moment you have to hit a tiny cupola to deal any damage because a tiger is in a good position (out in the middle of a flat area just doing very basic angling) 👍 @drowsy sinew

The tiger 2 can dominate but it doesn't require skill to do so which is why it's so broken.

crude pumice May 3, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Type 61 must buff armor and need spaced armors

nimble zodiac May 3, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Sure there's a lot of careless players in Tiger II, but the survival rate is just... meh... It's a pretty good tank but still suffers from bad drivers

Ima pull up all of the tier 8 heavies with 252U first

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unique scaffold May 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Of course 252U is still doing top I haven’t seen one in a while though

nimble zodiac May 3, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Here she is, now isn't that amazing? (90 Day Stats). Due to limits, it wouldn't process all of the data. Left Out: T26E5, T54E2, IS-3, IS-6, KV-4, KV-5, IS-5, IS-2Sh, IS-3 Defender, and IS-6 Fearless. Sorry for tiny picture lol. I should stack it next time, aka in 10 minutes

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So apparently it just won't display the BlitzStars data on the rest, probably because they're not played enough? They're all russian, or at least russian designed, so idk.

@unique scaffold only good players have it so I'm not that surprised

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indigo knot May 3, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Well to be fair lets wait for the charts of 6.10 see how have HP rebalance affected the Heavies now...

I did hear it is pretty good but it is in hands of some of the top players so they will make it look good @unique scaffold

unique scaffold May 3, 2020, 7:17 PM

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That T54E2 performance is a little concerning

nocturne mauve May 3, 2020, 7:32 PM

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252u ain’t op lol

jagged crescent May 3, 2020, 7:37 PM

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wow its not like u said that in every other channel

flat bane May 3, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Lmao

gusty geyser May 4, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Potato maus

Vs

Tier 9 tanks

Unload that 340mm/357mm pen gold xD
Ummmmmm no

@nimble zodiac
Unload that 340mm/357mm pen gold xD

@аguпgsоbогu I believe your toonmate contributed to that shot in the gif< gUESS noT

Premium ammo tier 7

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nimble zodiac May 4, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Unload that 340mm/357mm pen gold xD

@gusty geyser I believe your toonmate contributed to that shot in the gif< gUESS noT

formal vale May 4, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Gee its mighty convenient of you to omit whatever tank it is thats aiming at that Maus

Anyone who thinks that the Maus needs an armor buff simply doesn't know how to angle

gusty geyser May 4, 2020, 1:08 AM

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UWU BUPP MICE PLS
And kp1z

Hah,just kidding xD

@nimble zodiac
And why the kv 1s start on fire

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nimble zodiac May 4, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Didn't need any prammo, just the curse of the rear drive wheel

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Not sure if it was autobounce otherwise or not but the engine, a little further in than where I suspected the shot hit. I do see the fuel is damaged tho

gusty geyser May 4, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Not sure if it was autobounce otherwise or not but the engine, a little further in than where I suspected the shot hit

@nimble zodiac
Maybe fuel tank

I see i hit the kv1s fuel tankon my replay

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@nimble zodiac

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sturdy scarab May 4, 2020, 1:46 AM

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The front hull amour of the Pz V/VI needs to be upgraded as it isn't as thick as the one on the panther.

nimble zodiac May 4, 2020, 1:46 AM

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@sturdy scarab the armor is great, better than most heavies...

crystal spoke May 4, 2020, 2:36 AM

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There also a 2 tier difference in them it's fine how it is

ebon mango May 4, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Buff Grille camo rate so I can drive out of spawn without getting murdered instantly

sturdy scarab May 4, 2020, 4:19 AM

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The DP-28 on the thunder is bigger than the one on BT-7 artillery, please resize the model.

sour mirage May 4, 2020, 6:22 AM

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They should buff the Grille because it has no armour and the gun stats is not all that amazing. The penetration is among the worst among all T10 tds and it has really bad camo. If wg doesn't want to give this tank any armour they should at least give it better penetration and some form of camo because it can then snipe or ambush. Even the Foch 155 has better camo than the Grille, and that tank has thick frontal armour. Yes, Grille may have the accuracy, but what is the point of that if you have no pen and are constantly getting spotted and have no time to aim for weakspots?

nimble zodiac May 4, 2020, 6:53 AM

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The pen IS the worst 😂

indigo knot May 4, 2020, 7:05 AM

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It is a fact it has worst pen in its class on all rounds compared to other 152mm guns

It has worst in class armor, worst in class ap penetration, worst in class premium and HE penetration for all 150mm+ guns, worst in class reticle bloom when moving and rotating the turret, worst in class gun depression over the front of the tank excluding the obj 263, worst in class hp, and it still has the third worst concealment behind only 2 of the largest tanks in the game. That's Grille for you. So many worsts but still WG are reluctant to buff it.

blissful vigil May 4, 2020, 7:10 AM

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The WT is even better and more preferred than Grille. A Grille 15 had to use HEAT on my side in IS-7. Because he was constantly bouncing me. A WT would easily do the same. I feel bad for Grille 15's. Easily spotted just like 183. The tank doesn't even have a full traversable turret. The WT is better than grille 15 in almost every way. Plus, the WT has a great gun depression. The Grille aces the trash tanks. The Rhm even stands a better chance on winning against a Grille 15.

sour mirage May 4, 2020, 8:06 AM

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That is true. While the WT may not have the speed or accuracy of the Grille 15, it has better camo ratings at a tier where viewrange is also shorter, hence allowing it to stay concealed at shorter ranges and negate some of the rather poor accuracy of its gun and its lack of armour. It also has the gun depression and a fully traversable turret, making it more versatile and easier to duck under cover after firing Meanwhile, the Grille 15 has no camo t a higher tier where the view ranges are longer, hence effectively nullifying its ability to stay hidden and deal damage at range. Without a fully traversable turret, it is also much more easy to flank and also less versatile in some situations where the WT could have used the turret to its advantage. What's more, the Grille 15 has the worst penetration in 2 of its 3 ammo types(namely AP and HEAT), which also reduces its effectiveness as a sniper because it now cannot deal damage to some targets even when using premium ammunition, once more decreasing its ability to snipe.

lunar niche May 4, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Don't forget that wonky gun angles with its 50/50 gun arc and hull rotation of a superheavy.

sour mirage May 4, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Ah yes lets not forget that

drifting depot May 4, 2020, 10:49 AM

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the fact that the gun just doesn't collide with anything to have such angles, go ok check it up

median smelt May 4, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I am sorry if you can’t post here video, but I want to show this to especially WG ( if somebody from there by luck will see it ). This is too much. It shouldn’t be allowed. ATGMs should be a)rework or b) remove

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Same battle. And I have also third video from same game. Where Sheridan kill me. Just like that. He didn’t receive a single shot, but he still was freely shooting at me. Through whole game he didn’t miss a single rocket or normal shot, even while moving

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turbid smelt May 4, 2020, 1:23 PM

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@median smelt ma dude, mechanics are staying
you would be better developing your playstyle around this threat

dark glen May 4, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Yes because you can easily work around highly mobile tanks that can shoot over ridges without being hit in return? There are plenty of ways to limit the effectiveness of rockets but that doesn’t take away how unfair that is?

Basicly what you are saying is that middleburg hill is a no go zone when a Sheridan is in the enemy team because we have to adjust to the Sheridan using that sloped hill there, we have to leave the advantageous positions because rockets? Doesn’t make sense to have a mechanic like that in the game.

median smelt May 4, 2020, 1:38 PM

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@turbid smelt but how. Everybody is saying just to adapt. But how, what should I do differently in those situations. That first shot came from nowhere, second I had even cover, but he still managed to hit me.
And even if I managed to avoid those rocket, still he is freely shooting at me, but I nor my team can’t shoot at him back.
And also my whole idea was so enemy medium will try to rush me, while I had support in team in city. But because sheridan was in enemy team, it didn’t work out. That is also unfair, because non other tank can do that only Sheridan and t92e1

turbid smelt May 4, 2020, 1:51 PM

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@median smelt send me replay, it is hard to give idea from 4 sec clip
I would dm you what could have been done or what you did right but should have been executed bit differently :3

@dark glen I am not afraid of going to hills in my non rocket tanks, there are many ways that can be executed differently to achieve ye goal without bleeding hp

remote oriole May 4, 2020, 1:54 PM

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@dark glen adapting to the missile tanks is about as easy as adapting to a heavy at full charge against you, which out-armours, out-healths, out-weight and out-alphas you with similar dpm... there are certain situations that one should avoid at all costs, like getting into the no-go zones on maps

The hill isn’t a no-gon zone even with the missile tanks. Many like to sit on that slope and spam missiles, which makes them basically uninvolved in the whole battle and isn’t really effective as well

meager spruce May 4, 2020, 1:56 PM

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A thing he could have possible, not certainly, improved his position was to go forward and hug the slope in front of him.

turbid smelt May 4, 2020, 2:07 PM

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it would still be possible to hit him, if Sheridan would back off a bit or approach from slightly different hill
as Sheridan has very good mobility that wouldn't be issue for it and barely would be time consuming

unique scaffold May 4, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Devs, please, allow us to skip missions for credits or even gold. I am sick of me trying to get 1st class which is extremely hard nowadays or to get 14 kills during platoon.

sour mirage May 4, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Still, for me ATGMs are balanced now. I have played the T92E1 when it was first released and I admit that it was OP then. The upper plate was virtually impenetrable, and the missiles had higher penetration than some TD HEAT/APCR, and still had the same alpha as standard APCR of the T92E1. But when I played it, you could still miss. In Dead Rail, for example, there is the hill on the medium side of the map where LTs and MTs usually go. I went up that hill and fired missiles, most of which missed. The missiles still have a chance of missing. J aced the T92E2 using mainly APCR. After the nerf, the penetration for the missiles was decreased, but it was still higher than most tier 10 mediums. However, the main reason why the ATGMs are balanced is because the majority of its players don't even use the missiles. I have plenty of times where ATGMs were on my team and yet their players did not even use the missiles once in the battle either because they don't even know about the ATGMs or they don't know how to play it. Yes, there are players who can pull of really crazy shots with the missiles, but they are the minority and pulling off those shots require a lot of experience with the missiles.

nocturne mauve May 4, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Missiles are 75 m/s instead of their original 30m/s or 45m/s

dark glen May 4, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Leaving the hill as a whole was an exaggeration to show that this mechanic based around not having to expose yourself influences the game a lot. You think twice about taking key positions (mid vineyards, mid canyon, middleburg spots open to sloped hill,...). Any tank that can use those (mostly vineyards and canyon like positions) well previously had to expose themself to shoot and thus needed skill to know when to peek etc. Now those players simply need to know how to fire a rocket and can do that safely. All you did wrong was getting spotted. Yes you can get safe and what not, but that doesn’t matter in the line of my argument where tanks should expose themselves to shoot. Why do you think arty gets hated on PC? They don’t have to risk their life to deal damage, well what do rocket player risk shooting rockets?

shut pulsar May 4, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Why haven’t WG buffed the WZ-113G FT, I mean it’s the second worst wr, tied with grille and better than 183(WG are never going to buff 183). The armor doesn’t exist except on the mantlet, you always get penned I the front and in the weak sides. The mobility is so bad(why doesn’t it have the same top speed as the regular 113). The only thing good about this tank is the gun.

sour mirage May 4, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Well they should buff the Grille too cus that thing has no armour and has the worst pen among t10 TDs and let's not forget that it has low camo rating

thorn stratus May 4, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Amx 50 100 is too wack. Got killed by one in a vk 100.01 is less than 30 seconds. :/

median smelt May 4, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I will admit that I could do things differently and it could end up much better. But still it feels like getting hit like this are so unfair. For example let say I should by only bait for enemy meds, in past they need to rush me and try to kill me, while my teammate in city could shoot back at them. Now all they need is sheridan or t92e1. And that feels unfair, why only two tanks in whole game should dictate positioning in game.
Same happened here, I need to abandon great position just because enemy had ATGM tank. You don’t need any skills only ATGM tank. + just like that I had -500hp

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meager spruce May 4, 2020, 2:51 PM

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lmao, ez clap. But on a serious note, yes atgms are a big problem

turbid smelt May 4, 2020, 3:03 PM

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:c
why do i like them
wut iz wrong with me

I still want their penetration nuffed to 250mm or 280mm

nimble zodiac May 4, 2020, 3:11 PM

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For the Grille who kept bouncing the IS-7 side, were they shooting in the right spot?

spice bloom May 4, 2020, 3:11 PM

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they were prob hitting the spaced armor

low crypt May 4, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Got eaten by Russian bias steel

nocturne mauve May 4, 2020, 3:19 PM

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How is the action X fair at all.. it is 100% better than the regular Caernarvon

meager spruce May 4, 2020, 3:21 PM

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@turbid smelt I don't disagree. I like them too as it is satisfying to hit trick shots however you have to admit that it does not belong in blitz and is straight out broken.

nimble zodiac May 4, 2020, 3:22 PM

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@nocturne mauve to Caernarvon anyways, the DPM is fair since it has to retain fire in order to use it, and the armor is fair because the upper plate is relatively weak, with gold buttering it. The turret is strong until you spot that cupola, which actually could be HE’d, which is funny. And for the missiles, don’t make standard shells better than all but TDs

The only thing Caernarvon has left is camo, which doesn't serve a tier 8 heavy well

median smelt May 4, 2020, 3:38 PM

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@nocturne mauve you can say same thing about :
T34 and T32
Before buff tiger 2 and lowe
Is3 deff or is5 and is3
T28 deff and t28
Answer: P2W game
You won’t buy a premium tank if it worst or at same level as tech tree variant. ( okey if you are collector then you would )

indigo basin May 4, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Hey, wargaming does not want to removen missiles, so what about chancing it, removing them from sheridan and t92e1 but giving back some kind of event like uprising/realistic/mad games/gravity mode but with every tank with missiles, that would balance the game and keep missiles in the game, so it would be great and everybody would be happy

dark glen May 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I’ve been saying that for ages now haha, they are fun to use so keep them in blitz, just not randoms/ranked/tournaments

unique scaffold May 4, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Buff the thunders reload

gusty geyser May 4, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Buff badger plis paper badger

Just kidding

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nimble zodiac May 4, 2020, 5:43 PM

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What's your argument here? Nerf the prammo meant to penetrate armor?

round bluff May 4, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Just kidding

nocturne mauve May 4, 2020, 7:12 PM

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The new heavy buffs piss me off a little.. already the easiest class to play and they just got even more easier to play. There was no need for the heavies to be buffed, who asked?

kindred carbon May 4, 2020, 7:16 PM

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@nocturne mauve a decent med can still easily destroy a heavy. All that matters is the difference in skill

median smelt May 4, 2020, 7:20 PM

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It depends on who is driving tank. Good player can do a lot with extra 300hp in battle. For normal players is still better, but doesn’t make much difference, and newbie... that extra dmg for you to farm.
I hate more that this way they kill heavy/TDs like E4, E3, you also see less t30. Jag also is losing against e100 now, fv183 nah it slowly dying too
Edit : just like @kindred carbon said. Skills matter. Sorry I wrote same think, I wasn’t looking at your post 😄

clear fulcrum May 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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VK 45 03 (as i've said before) should either get an Armor/Mobility buff. The Tiger 2, has just as much Horsepower, and has more mobility and armor than the VK 45 03. That being said the VK 45 03 is a tier 7, however, if you compare it to other tanks armor wise, the VK 45 03 lacks in almost every aspect. Its frontal armor shouldn't be 100 millimeters thick, it should be somewhere in the 140 mil, 150 mil range. Side armor needs a buff to 100 Millimeters, and the rear armor of the tank is fine. HOWEVER that is the hull portion of my suggested armor buff.
The turret on the other hand, its desperately in need of a buff. Buff the turret to at least 150 mm frontally, 100-110 mm side-wards, and 80-90 rearwards. The turret traverse speed is fine where its at, however I would nerf the traverse speed on the turret whilst adding that additional armor in.

That aside, if the armor doesn't get buffed, we should buff its mobility instead, so its more of a heavyium, rather than the heavy that has no proper role (it has practically no armor, its good sidecraping but you can't poke without exposing your highly under armored turret) its under-armored, slow, and the one thing I love about it ~~besides the credit outcome~~ is the gun which is amazing.
If we were to buff the VK 45 03's mobility (which isn't preferable), buff its max speed to 45 Kph (Kilometers per hour) fowards and buff its max rear speed too 15 Kph (Kilometers per hour) ~~yes just 1 Kph ik but its more logical than having a heavy at 20 Kph backwards~~ backwards, the traverse rate (hull) should be increased to 45 Degrees of Traverse per second. Its acceleration (power to weight ratio) should be increased to 15 Horsepower per Ton as 11 Hp/t is way to little for what it is and such.

As i said above, the VK 45 03 is a very difficult case to drive because you can't get places fast enough to be a heavyium, and you don't have enough armor to be a heavy. Should the tank be buffed im sure many people and I would give 👍

unique scaffold May 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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VK is fine can’t make every German heavy the same

scarlet cargo May 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I would like a turret front armor buff on it

heady moat May 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Do you like that WG remove the ATGM of Sheridan and T92E1, buff again the armor and APCR shells and put an HEAT ammo on the ATGM place? Vote A for yes and B for no.

dark glen May 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Removing the missiles sure thing, balance wise statistics will prove if a buff is deserved or not

pseudo harbor May 4, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Hp buff for heavies is good for the veteran player using heavies, but again its turned a lot of the heavies i encounted into sluggish dolts, they rely much to heavily on hp instead of armor and get minced by people who can aim

nocturne mauve May 4, 2020, 10:03 PM

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It wasn’t needed and it extends the match time

unique scaffold May 4, 2020, 10:07 PM

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ATGMs make the game just disgusting to play since they were introduced, even more so ratings battles, where there are at least 2 ATGM tanks on each team and missiles are flying all over the place ... ugh. good thing they put the nice camo at 4 k so I don't have to grind up to 5 k like I used to, and I can just stop after 50 battles on the tank I want it for .... so sad the state of rating battles right now because of the atgm tanks , makes you want to stop playing as soon as possible, like right after you achieve your goal

winged barn May 4, 2020, 10:39 PM

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@unique scaffoldthe match making Is limited at 2 atgms per team.
That should tell you something if the limit is met basically every match.

jagged crescent May 4, 2020, 11:57 PM

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I don’t think any of the Tier IX’s should have more than 2000+ HP with equipment (provisions is another story) unless it’s a super heavy (75 and STI)

nimble zodiac May 5, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Neither are superheavies, but Mauschen, oh definitely

dim eagle May 5, 2020, 2:39 AM

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@unique scaffold @abstract marsh @charred comet
Pls guys I really need ur help :

I had a close friend in wotb and discord we were very very very close she had cancer she told me she was sick before she disappeared i tried calling her and texting her on discord but no response i tried asking all the friends i Know about her but no one knew nothing we used to play in hours every day can u please give me her email so i can send her an email maybe she responds
Pls respond ASAP 🙏

dim eagle May 5, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Sorry about the mistakes in the text 😬
I understand if u can't help me
But i got no one except u guys

nocturne mauve May 5, 2020, 3:06 AM

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I don’t think WG can give you the email, due to privacy reasons

nimble zodiac May 5, 2020, 3:09 AM

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How can they get her email? You didn't provide her account name or anything. Sorry for the situation

dim eagle May 5, 2020, 3:11 AM

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I can't just put her name in public

drifting depot May 5, 2020, 3:29 AM

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People can steal accounts just with emails, keep that in mind.... as long as the user didn't take any previous measures like phone number and stuff

bronze zealot May 5, 2020, 3:32 AM

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i feel the FV4005 should have a option to have a 183 mm gun but if you pick it you lose your perks , but due to the turret being bigger you reload faster than fv183

dim eagle May 5, 2020, 3:36 AM

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@drifting depot yeah yeah i know that but she had cancer and she told me she's sick and don't feel good before she has disappeared that's why im asking

nimble zodiac May 5, 2020, 3:46 AM

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@bronze zealot nah, same reload, 4005's turret is more capable

drifting depot May 5, 2020, 3:53 AM

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No 183, no shoo, get off we dont need that here it's ANNOYING enough

bronze zealot May 5, 2020, 3:53 AM

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@nimble zodiac you mean faster right it's has much more space

jagged crescent May 5, 2020, 3:53 AM

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i wouldnt mind if the 183 got an upper plate buff.
It doesnt need to be huge either, like +20mm effective or whatever so that players just have to aim A LIL bit better now

sharp void May 5, 2020, 3:55 AM

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@clear fulcrum vk 45 03 is med heavy meant for fast manuvers. its the same as vk 45 02 (tech tree t8 ht). It could be a little annoying sometimes , but the hp buff has given it the most vital thing Instead of armour

nimble zodiac May 5, 2020, 3:56 AM

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@bronze zealot I mean 4005 is already good, and by capable I mean how far it can traverse, it can be one crazy peek-a-boomer with the 183mm, so I don't think it should have one as an option anyways.

bronze zealot May 5, 2020, 4:13 AM

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yes it being a peak a boom tank the gun will fit perfectly for it. Than the can make it so if you have the 183 mm gun on it you can't use the perks the tank has so it makes it stalled faster fv183 with less amor

crystal spoke May 5, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Are we going to ignore how slow the regular 183 makes t10?
(Until there spotted or delete someone)

unique scaffold May 5, 2020, 4:59 AM

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A lot are ignoring how imbalanced the 183 alternative gun would be with the reticle calibration consumable

turbid smelt May 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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if tank could achieve 40 or 45 kmph top speed, it would be really fun to play even with its current limitations

it would be like kv1s but British

drifting depot May 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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You mean the vk 45 right? If so then ssss, I'd say keep it at 40 and keep it with some good hp/w ratio

turbid smelt May 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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nah the 183

flat bane May 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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183 is doing so bad it's not even showing up on the charts anymore rofl.

unique scaffold May 5, 2020, 9:40 AM

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@unique scaffold where did u get that idea from?

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@unique scaffold implying they overlook the fact it still has access to those consumables

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@unique scaffold no, what i’m asking is if this is an official idea or something they said on stream? Sorry just read, you were talking about the 4005 with 183 mm 😂 Thought the 215b 183 getting changes

mellow cape May 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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He is just referring to the people who ask for a 183mm gun option for FV4005 @unique scaffold

fiery dagger May 5, 2020, 12:10 PM

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The 4005 is much stronger with the current gun. I mean, you can literally clip out minimum 1400 damage in a few seconds. Even if you miss one, you still have more damage than the 183 and you also reload faster.

drifting depot May 5, 2020, 12:35 PM

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You don't reload faster at all cause intra clip reload but ite we get the idea

turbid smelt May 5, 2020, 12:48 PM

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hesh is devastating in 183

stiff edge May 5, 2020, 1:01 PM

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if u can hit

drifting depot May 5, 2020, 1:38 PM

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And it's annoying

nimble zodiac May 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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He said using 183 option should be unable to use the consumables. Also 920 < 930, you’re really edging the math, and saying it’ll pull 1400 minimum when the average is 1380

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unique scaffold May 5, 2020, 2:31 PM

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@unique scaffold language

coarse harness May 5, 2020, 5:18 PM

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The gold HESH dmg should be reduced to around 1100
Then give it a stronger engine or better terrain resistance

vagrant crater May 5, 2020, 6:58 PM

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i mean imo there should be Fv4005 Stage II that hits like fv 183. Would be nice. But yeah long reload

nocturne mauve May 5, 2020, 7:04 PM

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It’s too hard to balance things like the 183 and KV2, because 1 shotting things is totally fair...

clear fulcrum May 5, 2020, 7:07 PM

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@sharp void in response to your statement, Yes VK 45 03 is a heavy meant for "fast maneuvers" however with the recent update it only gained 50 HP putting it at 1500 HP. Yes this is a good HP amount but in comparison with the rest of the tier 7 heavies that's an average HP amount. The agility of the VK 45 03 lacks some needed luster as the Tiger 1 has more armor and agility when compared to the Vk 45 03. Not to mention the Tiger can hull down relatively well. Where-as on the VK 45 03 I have 100 MM of thickness for turret armor and no Mantlet (the mantlet gives the Tiger 1 and Tiger P some ridiculous bounces). In relativity to the other heavies in tier 7 the VK 45 03 isn't great, as it can't effectively hold its own against another heavy unless you get really lucky. I don't have much gun depression, I have no armor, and I can't relocate because I'm not fast enough. That alone should be enough to at least change something about the tank.

That being said the turret should definetely be buffed. So I can at least have some say about what happens on the battlefield unlike currently where I'm the seventh wheel in a high tier match

nimble zodiac May 5, 2020, 7:08 PM

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KV-2 can one shot things, but the accuracy compared to 183 is horrible. 183 is decently accurate, but doesn't one shot people, and doesn't actually devastate heavies that well anymore

formal vale May 5, 2020, 8:28 PM

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WG put the 183 in its rightful place back when they nerfed the hell out of it. It was utterly disgusting to play and even more annoying to play against. Good riddance to the 183 becoming garbage.

distant river May 5, 2020, 8:35 PM

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It should be better

But it can't. Not until it's HESH is removed and its HE pen is nerfed massively as well as it's AP pen then it can get a camo buff (to below what it was) and a small upper plate buff

winged barn May 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I would happily fight another 183 over the missile tanks that can hit behind cover

median smelt May 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Same here. I didn’t have any problem with fv 183 even before nerfs. But I can’t stand those two broken ATGM tanks.
When you get hit by fv 183, that mean you did something wrong and expose yourself to enemy. While with ATGMs you don’t need to do anything wrong and still get absolutely wrecked.

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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@coarse harness there won't be any point of running fv then if jg could do more damage with smoller gun

heavy garden May 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Man is 4 needs a nerf on the front armor at least

nimble zodiac May 6, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Lol no

tough ermine May 6, 2020, 3:36 AM

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#removeATGM's! Fix the fricken problem

twin fulcrum May 6, 2020, 3:42 AM

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People really need to calm down about ATGMs and the sheridan and t92. Wargaming spent money, paychecks, and server time to develop the new mechanic, and obviously they won't go backwards just to please a few players who can't adapt to the new competition that changes the meta of some games. I have the sheridan and t92 and I think they are balanced considering 1. They are targeted every battle and 2. They are easy to pen and can't go 1-on-1 with armored tanks because they don't have a lot of penetration, so they usually are spotters and supporters. However, what changes is that it can switch in an instant to try and carry a team because of their speed and their alpha dmg.
If I would nerf them, increase the reload speed to 16-17 seconds for the Sheridan and 18 seconds to the t92e1. Of course this is if they keep the dispersion and speed that is their strengths. The reason why is because I think 13 seconds for 560 alpha (Sheridan) is a bit overpowered for its mobility, so increasing the reload time would balance it more.

nimble zodiac May 6, 2020, 3:48 AM

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"A few players" is a massive understatement lol

crystal spoke May 6, 2020, 4:13 AM

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I find it kinda funny that I've yet to personally encounter a problem with either of the missle tanks ik there entirely broken however I just haven't encountered anyone taking advantage of that yet even though I predominantly play t8 and t9 lately

mellow cape May 6, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Just platoon at the right time and wait till you meet a superunicum toon on the enemy team using sheridans and then you'll understand

heavy garden May 6, 2020, 4:47 AM

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You've said it "superunicum" for those players any tank would seem op

crystal spoke May 6, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I have one got 1 shot by our 183 the other didn't attack me once it's just so weird I've only had one person try peak shooting me and I blocked it some how in my rev it just so confusing bc I know there incredibly op bit I've never had it used to its potential against me it's so weird

median smelt May 6, 2020, 5:41 AM

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@twin fulcrum that is also problem, that they are targeted each game. If you try to rush or target only ATGMs tanks, then mostly you will be useless for you teammate and most likely you will get yourself killed. And that all just because people are : a) frustrating about ATGMs , b) got hit by them, c) are newbie. When you get hit by those ATGMs, it makes your blood boil, you just want to kill him as fast as possible.
T92e1 get a lots of bounce. More then tanks like bat-chat, Leo, standard B. And for Sheridan with space armor, he can trade DMG with tanks like is7, is4, maus and that is nonsense for light tank.
And WG didn’t spend much money on this ATGMs. They spend those money on t49a. This is only slightly rework mechanic of t49a. They have unused mechanic, so they just slightly rework it and now we have those ATGMs which are still OP just like t49a was.

willow junco May 6, 2020, 6:08 AM

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This T28 and its brother T28proto are the worst tanks of the tier 8s

rancid drift May 6, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Gonna be honest, the t49a was significantly worse than the t49 yeah the missiles were good but they were hard to control and so so slow. Even now after having the t92 for a while, atgms are so situational for when you can actually land a shot. Yeah it’s frustrating to get hit by one but it might only happen once a game and it’s the same as getting hit by any other tank in the end

mellow cape May 6, 2020, 6:16 AM

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@heavy garden Not really, put a superunicum in a crap tank like BC 25t or 183 and they will do nowhere near where they will in a sheridan, the missile mechanic is completely broken.

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Very balanced mechanic wg, good job. 3 "balanced tanks" just sitting on that ridge spamming missiles

I don't think I have to mention that we lost that battle 0:7 in 2:08 minutes

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turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 7:00 AM

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@unique scaffold why are you sitting in open against this mechanic.... noop

stiff edge May 6, 2020, 7:03 AM

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owo

round bluff May 6, 2020, 7:12 AM

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That looks like a rock and a hill to me

blissful vigil May 6, 2020, 7:13 AM

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@turbid smelt, they can shoot rockets up and down, so cover doesn't help. If you're a skilled ATGM no cover helps. (almost)

dark glen May 6, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Using money as an argument makes no sense: “companies and research groups have invested tons of money in research on petroleum based plastics. It makes no sense for them to ever switch to biobased plastics because then their investment stops paying for them. That while biobased plastics are the future for many reasons” no it doesn’t work like that, tons of research is being done to improve the biopolymer situation for example, and ATGM are probs (in WG’s history) not even close to the more expansive updates anyway.
Using the “don’t get hit by one by changing playstyle” is valid but what does that change to the fact that it is unfair and you need to expose yourself to shoot at someone? Nothing.. arty gets hate on pc because those players don’t need to expose themselves to deal damage, well ATGMs don’t need to either.. putting the mechanic on a balanced tank with low dpm doesn’t make the mechanic itself better, the mechanic is seperate from the tank.

blissful vigil May 6, 2020, 7:28 AM

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I read something interesting about the rockets that was used for the Sheridan tank. The gun of the Sheridan was described as troublesome. So maybe why don't WG make it so the rocket has a 1/5 chance of failing to launch? I think it would be fair to add this system to the ATGM tanks. Besides, the DPM of Sheridan is not accurate.

Wiki

Although an average M48 Patton crew could fire as many as seventeen 90mm shells during a "mad minute" (60 seconds with all guns firing-on command), the Sheridan was known to put out only two 152mm shells during the same time frame. While the M48's 90mm cannon fired fixed metallic cased rounds, the 152mm was caseless. The caseless rounds needed air vents to clear the gun tube and breech prior to loading another round, while the M48 breech block opened as the used shell was ejected and closed as the new shell was shoved in. The faster the loader, the faster the Patton's gun could be fired. For the Sheridan, the loader had to wait for the mechanism. After firing, the loader would have to wait, as the breech slowly opened rearward then turned downward. After another instrument indicated that all turret systems were still operational, the loader would gently push the 152mm fixed round into the breech and watch the breech block slowly rotate upward, then forward into the breech, then again, wait for the lights.

So in real life the Sheridan could only fire 2 shells at 60 seconds. Meaning the reload should be 30 seconds.

Plus the tank had some mechanical issues. And the ammo rocks were often detonated by mines. Because the armor was thin and the bits of metal from the mines were going fats enough to penetrate the hull. If Sheridan was 100% accurate. 1 shell shot at the ammo rack would make the Sheridan dead. Even for a Tier 5. Is a Maus would ram it the Sheridan would have all it's modules and possibly crew damaged. The hull couldn't sustain anything. Only light weapons possibly.

Again, this is my personal opinion about Sheridan.

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 7:32 AM

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they don't balance tanks based of reality

if their stats would show missiles or these tanks are still performing too good
then they would nuff them more
they balance tanks around profitability and players performance, not because in reality it couldn't or could do

crystal spoke May 6, 2020, 7:36 AM

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The only realistic thing about blitz is some of the camos (not enough of them though)

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 7:53 AM

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#remove atGMS

thick rover May 6, 2020, 8:37 AM

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Lol

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 9:02 AM

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@turbid smelt lmao I didn't get shot even once by them, but my team mates got destoryed so don't talk bs

viral needle May 6, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Hetzer Kame needs a buff, it's been completely powercrept by ordinary Hetzer. Not that anyone cares about low tiers, but still.

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Bruh they're the same tank... If anything, hetzer kame is even better

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 9:30 AM

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@unique scaffold talking bs? i can smack you 4times in a row where your tank is positioned
stb doesn't do well against heat rounds

bc is in much better position than yours against atgms

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 9:36 AM

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@turbid smelt I was just arriving there and nope you couldn't because as soon as I saw that I got out of there because you can't fight that

Also that's funny because the bc got completely rekt by atgms first

dark glen May 6, 2020, 9:37 AM

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That rock is not big enough to cover him from rockets at that angle

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 9:40 AM

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why are you sitting in open against this mechanic.... noop

@willow junco you seemed to get really offended by this quote
i wonder why

coarse harness May 6, 2020, 9:49 AM

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@turbid smelt I was talking about gold HESH only
The regular HE should remain the same

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 9:50 AM

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that could be good if pen stays same

viral needle May 6, 2020, 10:47 AM

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@unique scaffold how in the world is the Kame better?

ordinary Hetzer has better HE pen, lower dispersion, better acceleration, waaaay faster traverse speed, and 50 HP more

kame has better dispersion on the move and that's it

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 11:03 AM

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@viral needle
it is from anime, earns more and turns faster

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viral needle May 6, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Blitzstars’ traverse data is way off. Normal Hetzer can hit around 70°/s, Kame only around 40

And credit coefficient has no impact on gameplay balance

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 11:13 AM

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yea ye right

hetzer used to have less gundepression but they have changed that...

maybe the game is not pay2win after all

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unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Anybody text me if you want to play plantain

tame plume May 6, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Anybody text me if you want to play plantain
@unique scaffold #platoon-search

smoky smelt May 6, 2020, 12:44 PM

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did they buff the STA 1?

autumn zodiac May 6, 2020, 2:46 PM

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No, not in a long while

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I think the sidescraping capability of Ho-Ri Tier 9 is nearly godlike, bounced at least 5 120 mm caliber hits in a single battle, only sides, not front plate (even more troll)

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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it is just enough to not get overmatched

solar osprey May 6, 2020, 4:16 PM

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please dont remove atgm missiles

round latch May 6, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I don't care ,missiles sucks and I won't play anymore after the operation until they remove it

lone warren May 6, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Well looks like you will never be playing again

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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yea
nice reading ye kommet

nimble zodiac May 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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@lost cape sir that's irrelevant, post it in #clan-recruitment maybe

gleaming apexBOT May 6, 2020, 5:30 PM

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dynoSuccess MAXUS LEADER#2716 was softbanned

turbid smelt May 6, 2020, 5:42 PM

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lol how cuteee

noble siren May 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Nice way to balance this game will be to teach the community properly to the game mechanics and then balance tanks

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 7:41 PM

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You can only teach those who are willing to learn

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 8:29 PM

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crude pumice May 6, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@unique scaffold mm=matchmaker. delete ur screenshot.

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frozen summit May 6, 2020, 8:43 PM

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E75>e100

round bluff May 6, 2020, 8:56 PM

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tbh

pearl geyser May 6, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Bollox, match making cannot be solely on tank type. It must be based on a combination of factors like: number of games at each level; win rate at that level; damage at that level; premium or normal tank. The culmination of the traits should be weighted per tier to give a merit score. Then simply mm based on merit score. Current mm is a farce as this is the main reason people are quiting because games are frequently stupidly one sided for winning or losing streaks.

unique scaffold May 6, 2020, 9:50 PM

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@pearl geyser it is pretty much random and this isn't the channel to discuss matchmaking.

regal grove May 6, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Or maybe there’s too many people who don’t look at themselves and believe they’re the reason why they’re losing 🤔

shrewd swan May 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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@unique scaffold

haughty blade May 7, 2020, 12:31 AM

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When are you going to fix the problem with Matching? I’m getting tired of teams that have no clue how to play. It’s even worse in ratings battles.

nimble zodiac May 7, 2020, 12:37 AM

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There is no fixing bad players if they don't take the time for improvement. Please stop complaining because WG can't really control it

haughty blade May 7, 2020, 12:45 AM

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@nimble zodiac Yes they can. They created the issue with update 5.5 and making it easier to move up tiers with no skills learned. Also Matchmaker needs to start using win rate as part of the way players are matched up. Also it’s their game and they can control it.

lone warren May 7, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Literally read 5 messages above

wraith veldt May 7, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Please give the T54E1 HE shells, it gets wrecked by meds and lights because they can rush without danger. Also very frustrating when top tier and you cant HE an RU or AMX.

nimble zodiac May 7, 2020, 1:14 AM

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@haughty blade welcome to your world of perfect matchmaking, where it takes 10 minutes to find a match because the batch of players in queue don't work against each other statistically. Now let's get back to tank balance: Can Grille 15 get more love? :P

@wraith veldt copy paste concept of Rating Battles, apply WR instead, and boom, your matchmaker.

wraith veldt May 7, 2020, 1:15 AM

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@haughty blade , I actually agree with you. WG could combine 14 players winrate scores, and then distribute into two teams ensuring that when all WR percent is added up, they are within a 5 point range. It won't take too long to get a match, just some smart coding

jovial sorrel May 7, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Except the only reason a 70%er has his wr is because of the sheer skill he has, if he was verse other 60%-70%ers his wr would drop because he would starting winning 50% of his games. I think that is a bad idea @wraith veldt. Also it would be boring if both teams were so equal

crystal spoke May 7, 2020, 1:59 AM

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He could also just be a seal clubber

jovial sorrel May 7, 2020, 2:39 AM

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@crystal spoke I meant super unicums vs super unicums

nimble zodiac May 7, 2020, 2:54 AM

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@jovial sorrel that's not easy to differentiate because both could have 70% WR so, let's stop talking about matchmaking here. Please.

Explain how they will differentiate

jovial sorrel May 7, 2020, 3:00 AM

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@nimble zodiac holy you can't read lol

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@nimble zodiac just read like 5 messages above and actually read and stop making assumptions. I'm not the one who is talking about mm

turbid smelt May 7, 2020, 4:02 AM

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@wraith veldt play tournaments... you can form your similar level skill team

crimson blaze May 7, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Make all tanks available to use only on private matches so we can test them out before committing to one.

full token May 7, 2020, 6:56 AM

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That’d reduce the number of people buying tanks. Better just to look at stats and reviews of tanks before buying one

drifting depot May 7, 2020, 11:59 AM

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Bruh guy wanting to spam a maus in training rooms or something?

coarse harness May 7, 2020, 1:34 PM

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The most important thing needed is a better tutorial because right now it is completely garbage to say the least
It doesn't show anything other than how to move and shoot

And also players shouldn't be able to buy premium tanks higher than their tech tree ones
But that won't happen cuz "here comes the MONEY !"

drifting depot May 7, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Ey, go make a new account and complete the tutorial, first thing you're gonna see it's a pop up offer for a bunch of gold, I think it was like 8500 for 5 bucks or so

frosty musk May 7, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Please buff T110E4

low compass May 7, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Pls buff T110E4

remote oriole May 7, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Please remove the T110E4

thick rover May 7, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Please compensate t110e4

errant kiln May 7, 2020, 2:36 PM

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T110E4 has been powercreeped so hard

drifting depot May 7, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Just buff those turret cheeks
Don't want another bs hatch on top of an oversized potato on tracks

willow junco May 7, 2020, 3:39 PM

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buffing the tumour would be enough

simple geode May 7, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Which one was more overpowered, T1 Heavy pre-buff (2nd prebuff) or Leopard pre-nerf (2nd prenerf)? React🇺🇸 for T1 Heavy or 🇩🇪 for Leopard.

frigid monolith May 7, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Pre original buff, or pre latest buff?

final pumice May 7, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I pressed home button by mistake while loading the survey, where to find it again?

clear kernel May 7, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Mäuschen is literally the bigest trash on t9

fiery turtle May 7, 2020, 4:57 PM

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@blissful vigil :

Good post about the Sheridan.

I'd like it if the T92E1 and Sheridan had only half the rate of fire that they have now, but also had missiles that do twice as much alpha damage.

That means a Sheridan would have a reload of nearly 30 seconds, but if the missile hits and penetrates, it would be like getting hit by a 183 (Death Star).

APCR damage and HE damage would need buffing to 640 and 960, same as the KV-2.

blissful vigil May 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I think thats a bad idea, they would still spam rockets

fiery turtle May 7, 2020, 5:11 PM

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But only half as many rockets. So if a rocket misses, it's a very big deal for the ATGM player. Not quite as bad as 'miss and you lose the game', but pretty bad...

full token May 7, 2020, 5:16 PM

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How would it work to give just the atgms the 30sec reload? If the normal rounds have 15secs that’s not much good for your idea

blissful vigil May 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Panther I is still as bad as it was. The armor buff doesn't really help. People are smart enough to shoot the lower plate

@stiff edge, easy for you to say. Nothing helps. Panther is useless, even low tier tanks can pen it's lower plate. And I'm too slow to run away

stiff edge May 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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do you know wiggling exists
@blissful vigil just because a lower tier tank can pen you doesnt make it bad... wz 120 ft has 30mm rear armour, doesnt make it bad does it? The panther 1, right now, is one of the best tier 7 mediums. The only two that can arguably be better are the t341 and dracula (off the top of my head). Panther isnt a heavium, its meant to bully mediums with its armour, and in the case of this panther, dpm.

fiery turtle May 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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@full token :
No, the normal APCR and HE rounds would also have a 30 second reload. That's why I suggested buffing their alpha damage too.

unique scaffold May 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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That is not a good idea

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What players hate about the death star is the brutal alpha it lays down. What people hate about the missile tanks are their ability to land shots from behind cover. You want to take two things people hate and roll them into one?

blissful vigil May 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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@stiff edge, I played the Panther, everyone can pen me. They just bring up prammo and PAnther I is just a dead tank. They should buff the gun and the speed. Not the armor. Then no tanks needs armor then...prammo spam low tiers doesn't care. Prammo is cheapin low tiers. The armor on Panther is for nothing. The Panther have a huge lower plate. Easy to hit. And it just sucks...it big like a heavy and slow like a slow medium. I can pray for tier VI's and try to hide for cover but then annoying people sceams "Morons idiot coward noob" ect ect

stiff edge May 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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@blissful vigil thats the point of gold shells lmao
just because your tank is bad against gold shells doesnt make it bad. thats just the opponents being smart by using gold

jagged crescent May 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Titus literally said the same thing in #704293489927651391 and now he's posting here, expecting different results 🤣

I'm also concerned that you still think the Panther I is bad, concerning how much of a bully it is by now

distant river May 7, 2020, 5:37 PM

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@blissful vigil The panther is a brilliant tank, it really doesn't need a buff. It's armour isn't what you should be relying on its just another helpful feature that lets it maximise it's dpm

blissful vigil May 7, 2020, 5:49 PM

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@stiff edge, E50 uses gold against BC AP. smart But spamming gold is annoying and kills the fun with the tank...the buff is useless if everyone uses gold. It's probably smart. But is it smart for the gameplay? No

stiff edge May 7, 2020, 5:50 PM

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thats... unrelated...
use prammo if you cant pen. If you still cant pen, try HE. If you cant HE, why you shooting him

main tulip May 7, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Panther is borderline OP lmao

jagged crescent May 7, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Doesn't the E50 have standard APCR

round bluff May 7, 2020, 6:22 PM

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nah e50 gets like 220 ap pen with its 105. it has the same dpm as the other tier 9 105mm's, but with useless pen.

leaden crystal May 7, 2020, 7:02 PM

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bruh srsly @blissful vigil the panthers rate of fire is amazing. You can get 4.5k dmg in a battle no problem. Its armor is really troll. Wiggle just al little bit and you get random bounces. That tank is the best tier 7 med

nocturne mauve May 7, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I hated the tank because it was cumbersome

blissful vigil May 7, 2020, 7:06 PM

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@leaden crystal but it sucks at close range

main tulip May 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Don't forget that panther is a ramming god

lone warren May 7, 2020, 7:44 PM

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The panther is a great tank, it does not need a buff.
You just need to be more able at getting around the weaknesses of the tank. I usually played it as a second line support, especially in those tier 8 games. You normally dont want to be frontlining on a flank in it as your armour isnt the most reliable and you have a large profile.
Due to its mobility and large profile, positioning is a key part of the tank, (as with all mediums but its more important in your less mobile mediums). Since you are complaining about the mobility/armour, I get the impression that perhaps you are being aggressive at the wrong times in the panther which then puts you in a situation, where you have to rely on the weaker aspect of the tank (the mobility) to try to get out of it.

distant river May 7, 2020, 7:47 PM

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It can go hulldown fairly well especially with wiggling, it can sidescrape bearably, it can hit long range shots reliably, it can bounce off it's front hull pretty reliably. It can do literally everything you want it to. It's got great dpm and amazing accuracy as well as an awesome hull and despite being slightly sluggish to accelerate it's got a good top speed and rotation. There's a reason it's my go to sealclubbing tank and a reason I've got it at 79% WR 🤷‍♀️

I guess tbf it could do with a decent nerf although I haven't really thought about it much at all...

frigid tusk May 7, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Dear Wargaming, I just bought the T70/57 and I find that the tank have a very bad gun, could you please buff its reload or the alpha damage, its a 57mm after all, the alpha should be 90 to make it more unique. Plus, the tank is very rare so it won't affect the exprerience of other players, just improve it for the owners of this little dude. Please consider my request.

nimble zodiac May 7, 2020, 8:09 PM

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"Very rare" Its being sold right now, they won't make a seal clubbing tank again, except the Pz. III exists

meager spruce May 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Why did you even buy it... its a 5.5 nerf-survivor. It isn't going to be good

frigid tusk May 7, 2020, 9:38 PM

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@meager spruce well, 850 gold + 7 days of premium acc + 50 rare boosters

meager spruce May 7, 2020, 9:40 PM

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so you bought the stuff for everything aside from the tank: premium account, gold for selling the tank etc. Why even care about the tank then?

unique scaffold May 7, 2020, 9:48 PM

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I know how wg can Nerf atgms they can just remove autoaim on the atgms

round bluff May 7, 2020, 10:35 PM

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its already removed. that doesnt stop missiles from being broke

quasi pond May 7, 2020, 10:37 PM

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E75 is so op i hate that it got buff i cant kill it with my ST-I and IS-4
I mean i can but its soo hard

drifting depot May 7, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Bruhbruh the thing is quite easy to take care of in a tier 9 or 10 if you know what you're doing, complain about the tiger 2 instead cause that thing's yikes

meager spruce May 7, 2020, 10:55 PM

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@quasi pond IS4 is probably the second strongest tier 10 heavy right now ... E75 is an easy kill for it if you play it even slightly right

quasi pond May 7, 2020, 10:56 PM

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I uh.. Havent fulled my crew yet and still trying to gain money to upgrade my tank
Btw i didnt pay since now so im kinda slow at buying other tanks or something
At the moment, im going for ISU-152, tomorrow i will buy su152

zenith solar May 7, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Do you think helsing is OP? I play with it and it's great overall, but I have no idea if I'm having an unfair advantage, I barely see other helsings.

crystal spoke May 7, 2020, 11:17 PM

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It's good but not op the reason its uncommon is it's not often sold

main tulip May 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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What is the strongest tier 10 heavy right now

nimble zodiac May 7, 2020, 11:31 PM

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My guess is ~~IS-7~~ Chieftain Mk. 6, unless you mean the Super Conqueror

drifting depot May 8, 2020, 12:01 AM

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If played right it's either is4 or maus, mostly cause both have the armor and hp to have a "in your face" kind of playstyle

stiff edge May 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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probably is4, vk 90, or t110e5

main tulip May 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Chieftain mk6 is overrated imo, the lower plate and sides are both extremely weak. Personally I'd take a 121 over it

drifting depot May 8, 2020, 12:23 AM

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It's mostly cause on t10 you only need mobility turret armor and a good gun, which the chieftain has

Oh yeah gun depression along that turret armor

jagged crescent May 8, 2020, 1:51 AM

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I have an e5. It's basically the same thing. So i'm grinding the 121 line and praying that the 120 won't kill me

main tulip May 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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120 isn't that bad, you just gotta learn to deal with the trash gun depression

winged barn May 8, 2020, 2:29 AM

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If the 120 had gun depression, it would be broken

round bluff May 8, 2020, 2:36 AM

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e50 should get -8 degrees off its front along with the sides

main tulip May 8, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Give the E50 10mm more pen and more turret armor

round bluff May 8, 2020, 2:46 AM

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i think its alright having less turret armor than the e50m. Makes the move to tier 10 more worth. I agree with the extra pen though

winged barn May 8, 2020, 3:44 AM

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The e50m solves all of the problems that the e50 has. Makes it a very nice improvement.

jagged crescent May 8, 2020, 4:30 AM

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You could lowkey say that for the rest of the TierIX-X meds

drifting depot May 8, 2020, 4:40 AM

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At least when you gotta grind em stock, tier 9 meds are hella t8 stompers

frigid tusk May 8, 2020, 5:23 AM

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@meager spruce Sorry for late answer but If it's getting buffed i'm gonna keep it, if not i'm selling it as soon as I aced the tank (T70/57)

coarse harness May 8, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Sell it
You can get it back anytime if you want

crystal spoke May 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I just bought it for the collection

undone canyon May 8, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Happy VE Day

humble olive May 8, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Just ducking convince me that this is balanced

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dusky cedar May 8, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Nice balance of tier 5s literally hts have more dpm than a no armor mt

unique scaffold May 8, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Can the T49 (with the derp gun of course) have more HEAT pen or will that be OP?

autumn zodiac May 8, 2020, 3:19 PM

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It's HEAT pen is fine, you should be using Calibrated shells, it has 167mm of Penetration + 83 with its HE shell which is a lot to work with given the mobility

round bluff May 8, 2020, 4:30 PM

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dont bother with the derp right now. With every heavy having 2000 hp, have fun splashing 300 damage every 16 seconds.

dense walrus May 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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dont listen to this kid ^^^

unique scaffold May 8, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Ahem Russian spaced armour Ahem

exotic pelican May 8, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Plz WG increase HEAT Pen T49

main tulip May 8, 2020, 5:20 PM

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T49s make the worst teammates in tier 8, change my mind

unique scaffold May 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Ayy I m even worse with every tank @main tulip mate

nimble zodiac May 8, 2020, 6:59 PM

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ngl Conqueror needs a more solid turret

vast osprey May 8, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Would adding all medal awards together with different weighted amounts not be more accurate representation of player skill for MM ?

unique scaffold May 8, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Player skill doesn't and shouldn't play a roll in matchmaking @vast osprey

noble siren May 8, 2020, 7:30 PM

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It's all luck after all getting good teammates with that playerbase

nocturne mauve May 8, 2020, 7:32 PM

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If you wanted to remove all noobs from wotb, it would be a desert

vast osprey May 8, 2020, 7:35 PM

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@unique scaffold I understand all the arguments, how about just for ratings battles (use overall good historical performence) in the mm. Would knock down some unicums in their skill circles, and bump up others of us in the "lower ranks", it wouldn't affect overall W/R throughout game? I suck a lot of times, many times do well, but I don't consistently suck nor do well lol.

jagged crescent May 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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There's hardly enough people playing Ratings in order to facilitate them into specific "weight classes"

crystal spoke May 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Possibly because it's not worth the hassle most of the time

noble siren May 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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That's why this game will die unless they constantly add new content of fix the big problems in the game

slender summit May 8, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Sorry for my last post it didnt make any sense let me rephrase! Please keep the realistic playstyle around forever, it makes the game so much more immersive and exciting. I would be very fun to have the option to play this mode indefinaly, it takes a lot more skill and understanding of the tanks weakpoints, map control and tank size. Less hand holding and more immersive gameplay!

remote oriole May 8, 2020, 8:03 PM

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What?

Am I hallucinating or something?

meager spruce May 8, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Why should it be a PC exclusive?

noble siren May 8, 2020, 8:12 PM

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why not?

slender summit May 8, 2020, 8:14 PM

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It would be awesome to have this mode as a "hardcore" mode or option that is always in the game. I cannot tell you how much more fun this game is when its actually hard to see, pen and navigate the map safely. Makes pusing as a team MUCH more powerful when the enemy doesnt know you are coming. Its just great! Also it makes fighting as low health MUCH more viable becase no one knows your HP untill they engage! oh man its awesome - It also changes the way maps are played. I have been going different ways each time and not going to the "normal" routs super fun

remote oriole May 8, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I mean, they could make ratings permanently in realistic mode - that would actually be interesting and make ratings more worthwhile

crystal spoke May 8, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Even I'd switch to ratings

hearty stirrup May 8, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Wargaming please fix the matchmaker

jagged crescent May 8, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Wrong channel

nimble zodiac May 9, 2020, 12:14 AM

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@hearty stirrup this isn't the channel for it, it's explicitly clarified in the pinned messages of this channel

balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 12:59 AM

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The biggest balance they need is to put below 45% wr and less than 3000 battles to be with only bots and let them have experience. Tanks are fine, some OP, some bad, but all manageable. But these wave of clueless people (i cant use curse words, or i would have) are not supposed to show up in high tiers with huge knowledge gap. WG, if you read this, use your brain and fix the problem. You can sell tanks to them, I know you all have mouths to feed, and frankly its not a popular game, you guys are average company getting crushed by top smart companies. Just make sure they stay and learn with all bots first.

autumn zodiac May 9, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Um, I don't need the stats to lie to me that a 45%er is actually even worse, if you seperate bad players that isn't healthy for the game.

nimble zodiac May 9, 2020, 1:16 AM

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If 60%ers fought 60%ers, it would be more even of a fight, resulting in one team of 60%ers winning and one team of 60%ers losing. Eventually it would knock their WR down towards 50%, because of the challenge. This applies to 40%ers, if one wins, it's hard to lose WR unless you're just really unlucky or bad with battles, so they would also start roaming up to 50% because there are no 60%er players to bring them down. Then you end up with nobody knowing who has skills based on WR, which is a good aspect if matchmaking then kept separating them anymore because their WR normalized to 50%. So whatever you want with MM, it won't do good. Random is random, and it takes skill to overcome the challenges random matchmaking presents. So please no more complaints about matchmaking, and let's talk about what this channel is for. Indien Pz. needs spice, it's just such a random tank, and give T54E1 some HE, K-91 is doing quite a bit better atm

@balmy nacelle there's a lot of players who are not skilled at the game, still don't have many ideas about what they're doing, but they have a crazy amount of battles. Playing Blitz by itself won't familiarize players about everything, it had to be explained externally, and people aren't watching videos about armor/penetration mechanics, or spotting mechanics. More battles doesn't necessarily mean they get that much better

If you don't want bad players on your team, give rating battles a try

distant sapphire May 9, 2020, 1:16 AM

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balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 1:18 AM

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@nimble zodiac No its not, i beg to disagree. If someone is clueless and is not even landing one shot, its bad for the game. If someone is above 3000 battles, they can play PvP irrespective of their WR. Im saying atleast put bots for first 3000 games or if below 3000 games but gets above 45%, then they can play pVp. You have to realize, below 45% are clueless players that need direction which WG is least interested to give them. All they do is make stupid avatars.

remote oriole May 9, 2020, 1:20 AM

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How do you know that they are below or above 45% if they don’t play PvP? And tossing someone after 3k games into a total different playing environment is... bold to say the least

stiff edge May 9, 2020, 1:25 AM

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it would basically be a way longer tutorial, its what they do anyway, force players into entirely different environments as they go up the tiers, and even straight out of the tutorial.

nimble zodiac May 9, 2020, 1:28 AM

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If WG even considered changing the matchmaker, they'd have a channel made for discussing it. Stay on tanks, think about what tanks are too good or too bad against their enemies. I'll even give this thought: Pz. III needs a nerf because it does too much DPS, which shouldn't be combined with the armor it has

balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 1:44 AM

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@remote oriole You know they are above or below 45% by doing math. 1350 battles won out of 3000, congrats, u are 45%er.
Tossing someone after 3000 battles with bots is better than tossing them after 2 battles. They get the premium tanks and play tier7+ anyways. Might as well play first with bots.
Everyone is not 45% with bots. The current player base has new benchmarks of stupidity. Its the basic IQ drain era. Kids lack creativity, thinking process and imagination due to everything spoon fed with internet. I used to participate in debates, paint, write stories and poems, make youtube videos and I am a back bencher. There's a reason why fortnite is so popular. Gone are the days of chess or even Age of Empires PvP. Everyone want to just chop woods and rely on muscle memory to win a low thought process battle royale game.

remote oriole May 9, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Everyone is above 45% against the Blitz bots

jagged crescent May 9, 2020, 2:07 AM

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boomer

balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Im 27. If thats boomer then so be it. Better to be an avg IQ boomer than being a 40% wr low IQ clueless millennial.

slender summit May 9, 2020, 2:27 AM

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%win rate doesnt mean much in this game tbh, I top damage in 99% of my losses 1k+ so if you judge simply off winrate you are doing it wrong. You need to dig deeper and look @ the tanks, average dmg per tank and tier of their tanks. In regular WOT winrate means more because you can swing a game with a larger platoon

jagged crescent May 9, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Isn't that basically WN8

flat bane May 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Yep

slender summit May 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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whats WN8

orchid grove May 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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@slender summit Winrate matters more in Blitz because you are responsible for a larger portion of the team. In Blitz, youre 1/7th of the team, and in a platoon, you're 2/7ths of a team. On PC, if you're solo, you're 1/15th of the team, and even with a full platoon of 3, you're only 1/5th of the team, which mind you, is less than 2/7ths

Also, overall, if you're dealing the damage, you're going to win more. There's like a .93 correlation coefficient between damage and winning. If you're really top damage in 99% of your losses, you'd be winning a lot more, and losing a lot less

nimble zodiac May 9, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Him? Definitely. He's a pro ;)

slender summit May 9, 2020, 5:01 AM

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There are ways to manufacure win rate % in this game, thanks for the math

dim eagle May 9, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Talking about wr my wr is about 47% before u say im a noob or anything i spend alot of my time practicing 1v1s in training rooms i got to a level beating 55% and 60% but as i play normal battle i kinda keep losing

stiff edge May 9, 2020, 5:38 AM

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1v1s dont mean much, except probably camping/ambushing, armour use, and manoeuvring "skills"

mellow cape May 9, 2020, 5:49 AM

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My reaction when I see people trying to say they are skilled when they win 1v1s:
🤡

drifting depot May 9, 2020, 7:01 AM

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My reaction when I see people 🤡

humble olive May 9, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Yesterday 15 loss streak, today this. Wtf is wrong with the matchmaker

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signal socket May 9, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Matchmaking is broken af because not the tanks itself but the players them self

dim field May 9, 2020, 9:08 AM

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1v1 mirror matches can take some skill to win. However that skill can be irrelevant in a team based game

drifting depot May 9, 2020, 12:23 PM

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team in a game made for 1-3 people to carry 4-6 often toxic trash wannabees to a win

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Why are you talking about matchmaking in this channel?

blissful vigil May 9, 2020, 1:31 PM

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MM balance discussion???

balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 1:42 PM

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@unique scaffold MM and tutorials are also balance of the game. its time we stop blaming the tank and adress the elephant in the room. And WG dont have a channel where they hear to reason or suggestions in mm. If there is, let me know 🙂

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 1:53 PM

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This isn't the channel to complain about MM in.

sly iron May 9, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Can this part of the texture get a small fix? That cost me the game cause I thought you could squeeze through it

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distant river May 9, 2020, 3:11 PM

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@balmy nacelle MM is random. Random means balanced over any respectable amount of games. That means it's impossible for MM to be a "balance issue" (unless you are stupid enough to want skill based MM) and so any complaint about MM doesn't belong here.

round bluff May 9, 2020, 4:24 PM

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youll find that equal skilled teams, especially getting into the 55+% tier, make for mind-numbingly boring matches. Imagine both teams with competent players, sitting in cover, waiting for the other team to push for 4+minutes every match. That almost sounds like a competitive match, so no thanks.

dense walrus May 9, 2020, 4:25 PM

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yea people don't comprehend the actual results that skill-based MM will bring about

drifting depot May 9, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Nah it's actually more fun cause you actually feel in danger

round bluff May 9, 2020, 5:01 PM

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i'm not trying to feel in danger its pub matchmaking. if i want to feel challenged i'll play ranked or comp

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Enough about matchmaking

dark glen May 9, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Ok not that I want to discus that, but where does one discus MM “problems” that actually is about balance of teams?

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 5:13 PM

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#general-blitz-discussion

jagged crescent May 9, 2020, 5:21 PM

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someone tell me what's good about the WZ-120. It's just a T-54 that either has derpier gun handling or a barely useable boomstick because so far, that stiffness is ridiculous

dusty harness May 9, 2020, 5:27 PM

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How does that make any sense to get matched together in one team with 3 unicums against 5 moldy tomatos and 2 53percenters? I myself have 49.42% wr and coz of that issue i barely get any dmg. My 800 avg dmg is going down each day. Sure my wr increased but avg dmg goes down. Please fix
Thanks in advance

dense walrus May 9, 2020, 5:28 PM

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he already said to not talk about it here @dusty harness

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 5:35 PM

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@dusty harness this isn't #mmdiscusion

neon prism May 9, 2020, 5:36 PM

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wz 120 is kewl, just play a more peek a boom style

dark glen May 9, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Ok found it weird since it is considered as a balance thing but whatever

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Vehicle balance ≠ mm balance

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If we let every channel get taken over by MM complaining this server would be a unmanageable wreck.

dusty harness May 9, 2020, 5:46 PM

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dark glen May 9, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Oh but it didn’t say it was vehicle balance, guess we know that now, even though balance of toons etc is a thing balance wise 👀 that’s why I thought you could discuss that here.

balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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@unique scaffold Can you change the name to vehicle balance-discussion. Its a bit misleading. Specially when there's a separate channel for vehicle discussion.
@distant river Read my prev. comment before taking a stab. Im not against random mm, Im against less than 3000 battle clueless players in games. Im suggesting they need to play a lot with bots before getting pvp in high tiers.

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I cannot

jagged crescent May 9, 2020, 5:58 PM

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You can not balance something that is inherently random in nature.

balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 6:03 PM

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@unique scaffold Who can? Tell them to make a dedicated channel for mm discussion as these WG people don't want to listen to people or reason. WG is like a family debating on whether to upgrade junior's caravan to a ferrari when in reality junior doesn't even have a DL.

@jagged crescent Nobody is talking about balancing randomness. All I'm asking is increase tutorial time with bots to 2000 battles atleast to enter tier8. Then they can do PvP. It hurts the game when overall 200 battle wallet warriors dive into tier8 in PvP and ruin games. Let them buy, but put them with bots for first 100 battles in that tank.

unique scaffold May 9, 2020, 6:07 PM

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@balmy nacelle we tried a dedicated channel for MM. That isn't going to happen again. MM is what it is. It's random. You can either adapt and carry harder or you can whine about it in #general-blitz-discussion

balmy nacelle May 9, 2020, 6:13 PM

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@unique scaffold ok, so its the responsibility of og players to drag the backlog of clueless 200 battles new ones while WG sits and counts cash and their supporters call us whiners. So they will invest on making useless avatars and not invest that money and time on fixing tutorials. Good. No wonder people are leaving this game.

lone warren May 9, 2020, 7:29 PM

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@sly iron just encountered the same thing on mines with a building. It really screwed up my momentum

nimble zodiac May 9, 2020, 7:46 PM

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You kind of are whining though, 60%ers are 60%ers through this random matchmaker, so wherever the WR of a player rests, is a (honestly overrated) sense of the player's influence to their team. If you want a good teammate, find a platoon-mate. Speak of it somewhere else. Please.

jagged crescent May 9, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Get gud

sleek vault May 9, 2020, 10:01 PM

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there is something intriguing me the fact that recent balancing in tier 5 inconsistent. for example PZ IV G had 90 mm hull frontal it's too good and the fact that PZ V/IV only had 85 mm for it's upper hull (although it's sloped but leave alone the sloped for now). and they seems like no intention to tweaking of it's PZ series collector (or even all Tier 5 collectors), like PZ Anko (literal same thing but only got 80mm frontal) or PZ III/IV (40mm frontal hull without proper mobility is a joke) or PZ Hydrostat (it's far more worse, flat frontal hull and only got 50mm).

People now more struggling shooting T1 Heavy rather than Churchill (both I and III) is infact interesting. while churchill got well rounded armor but it's lack of mobility it's really hard to play for a HTs, meanwhile in T1 you got everything in churchill but with greater mobility and since it's got much more mobility it's can do more of HT roles even with decent gun unlike churchill. and with more plus T1 Heavy lower hull hitbox is dumb, you only got 5-12 cm that you can actually penetrate from it's frontal thanks to the hitbox and not to the actual 3D model (which i think that it's should be 20 cm lower plate that could be penetrated.

meanwhile they do well tweaking KV-1 stats. they buffing BDR G1 literally into the KV-1 was back before. It's has very good mobility, pack-of-punch 90 mm gun (which enough to make tier 6 chickened out), now they buffing turret and upper frontal hull which is make this too good. atleast they remove the 105mm gun long time ago or otherwise it's would be weapon of all sealclubber.

Chinese T-34 and T-34 had inconsistency of 57 mm gun penetration. although i know that because T-34 got different gun option unlike the chinese one but i think that Chinese T-34 is enough with it's good DPM. it's should be leave the penetration same in both two 57 mm gun.

and last but not least. I think that both tier 5 Matilda should be get better gun accuracy while moving. because matilda

remote oriole May 9, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I only have one thing to add: Please don't call it balancing. It is something, but certainly not balancing. Imbalancing would probably fit the best

autumn zodiac May 9, 2020, 10:07 PM

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@sleek vault Pz. IV used to have identical Armor to the Ankou SP minus the Sideskirts in the hull. They altered other vehicles to discourage seal clubbing, and Effectively left premiums and Collector's alone for the most part

sleek vault May 9, 2020, 10:14 PM

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i was intentionally using word "balancing" and in some case "tweaking". and also there only "battle dynamics", ~~there is no such word of 'imbalance' war you know~~

Pz. IV used to have identical Armor to the Ankou SP minus the Sideskirts in the hull. They altered other vehicles to discourage seal clubbing, and Effectively left premiums and Collector's alone for the most part
i mean i know. but if you see other lower tier collector that really good (for example that M3 lee still retained 160 avarage damage instead 130 and PZ II G that has 3 CM gun of Leopard (which enough to tearing any tier 4 armor with avarage 100 burst damage (2x2 shot))), they just leaving some collector into sealcluber haven. (and also there is also BT Art but leave that alone since it's always be sealclubbing favorite). so if they leaving collector un touched because it's would be plagued by sealclubber why they spare some collector into sealcluber weapon?

oh for addition, PZ IV G also get slightly (that may or may not important) better DPM

nimble zodiac May 9, 2020, 11:53 PM

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I'd support a cupola nerf for KV-4 but a big turret cheek buff

crystal spoke May 10, 2020, 12:03 AM

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That seems like a fair tradeoff (I've never played it just fought it

round bluff May 10, 2020, 12:04 AM

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If the tiger 2 can stay as broke as it is, something like the kv4 needs a straight buff. Same with is6

jagged crescent May 10, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Nerf the lower front plate of the Tiger II, or just make the entire KV4 front 180mm.

nimble zodiac May 10, 2020, 1:05 AM

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How about both @jagged crescent haha

remote oriole May 10, 2020, 1:07 AM

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What is this? How can you argue that if one tank is op, a number of others should be op as well? Am I the only one who doesn't see the logic in this?

crystal spoke May 10, 2020, 1:16 AM

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@remote oriole I think they're joking. Ok scratch that I hope they're joking

sly mauve May 10, 2020, 1:26 AM

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The tiger 2 should have the same hull armour values as the jagdtiger has. The upper plate would be almost impossible to penetrate even for tier 8 heavies, but the lower plate would be an weak spot which even meds could pen. It would make it more competitive in T9 games, but less competitive in T7 games. The gameplay would be more skill dependent, cuz you would have to hide the lower plate again

nocturne mauve May 10, 2020, 1:27 AM

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As if it wasn’t OP enohgh...

main tulip May 10, 2020, 1:39 AM

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WZ-120FT isn't that OP now, it's been powercrept pretty hard

crystal spoke May 10, 2020, 1:41 AM

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It's mostly a problem with t7s or realistic (that being said I dont think they should nerf anything based on a temporary game mode) so what if they gave it a reverse pzb2 treatment and only let it in higher or same tier matches

main tulip May 10, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Don't really know where else to say this, but I think overkill damage (i.e when an opponent is at low HP and you have high alpha, the amount of damage you would've done if they had the health to take it) should count in your battle report. This would discourage people who play tanks like the 183 and KV-2 from targeting high-health tanks to farm damage, since they can get the same damage from making a kill shot, which they often avoid making because it's effectively wasting their alpha

nimble zodiac May 10, 2020, 1:59 AM

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That can be abused for masteries, it’s not effective damage that counts

thick rover May 10, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Lol if 120FT is "powercrept" imagine other tech tree tier 8s except tigerr

winged barn May 10, 2020, 6:07 AM

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How is the td with the frontal armor of a heavy, reasonable gun depression, speed of a medium, extremely low to the ground, and a solidly performing gun powercrept?

crystal spoke May 10, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Through the miscellaneous buffs in t8 as well as people simply more or less learning how to deal with it (im not saying statistically it isnt still op it's just that its become easier to deal with ) [probably should have clarified what I ment in my last post ]

azure tiger May 10, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Wz113gft need a huge buff, I played it..... worst tier t10 tank no doubt lol, everyone snap shot the lower plate and they can pen with gold the hull .... the useless tier t10 ....

unique scaffold May 10, 2020, 10:35 AM

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@azure tiger it’s not like the 268 can’t get penned and does usually get penned, there are worse t10s tbf but yeah this thing is underwhelming, it has the consumables tho so it can have its own advantages.

turbid smelt May 10, 2020, 11:41 AM

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grille can go die

latent snow May 10, 2020, 12:08 PM

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name a tank worse than the wz113gft (183 doesnt count)

blissful vigil May 10, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Grille 15, E4

drifting depot May 10, 2020, 12:35 PM

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Grille 15, e4

vagrant crater May 10, 2020, 12:46 PM

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e4 is really that bad? i thought its a good tank..

harsh ravine May 10, 2020, 12:52 PM

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e4 is an inferior e100. trades everything else just for better penetration

unique scaffold May 10, 2020, 1:08 PM

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I dont have it pb my main acc but its a good tank i like to play it

coarse harness May 10, 2020, 2:03 PM

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VK 72
Grille

E4 is not great, not terrible IMO

latent snow May 10, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Vk72 is good I thought?

@meager spruce that side spot is good for baiting shots imo

meager spruce May 10, 2020, 2:41 PM

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@latent snow that weakspot on the side just ruins the tank. you need to be head on otherwise everything go through that bump. And since you aren't angling your front it doesn't have that much effective armor

ripe moss May 10, 2020, 4:05 PM

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@meager spruce you got a point, but the frontal armour is pretty solid even against most heavies with premium ammo from close-mid range, but yes if you get flank get ready for a spank

meager spruce May 10, 2020, 4:15 PM

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@ripe moss When facehugging the tank is pretty solid even though you are still able to pen the cheeks of the turret with prammo and if you aim more you can pen with regular (this is about heavies). The lowest tier 10 heavy tank premium penetration is 303mm. The lower plate of the VK72 is 300mm so if you are at mid range and you aren't hiding the lower plate... well every single heavy will butcher you.

ripe moss May 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

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True but normally I don’t sit in the open and when I do more often than not I’ll wiggle and jiggle, fair enough to your point it’s pretty solid, unfortunately I’m not a great tanker so I struggle to pen the vk 72 Hull with my maus at mid range so am speaking from that experience

nocturne mauve May 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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VK 72’s turret is weak

ripe moss May 10, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Putting aside the vk 72.01, what would u guys consider to be the second weakest heavy tank in game at tier 10?

unique scaffold May 10, 2020, 5:22 PM

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VK is already balance, its good in his own way

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autumn zodiac May 10, 2020, 5:22 PM

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WZ-111-5A is the worst

ripe moss May 10, 2020, 5:23 PM

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@unique scaffold I agree but I see why many people consider it mediocre as compared to other heavies, to tier 10s in general I’d say it’s good

unique scaffold May 10, 2020, 5:33 PM

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ikr but i don't mind a buff :>

lone warren May 10, 2020, 5:38 PM

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@vagrant crater e4 isnt completely awful, but there is no reason to choose it over the e5 or e3

unique scaffold May 10, 2020, 5:44 PM

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@autumn zodiac it’s not

opaque rover May 10, 2020, 6:10 PM

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soo, I didnt get any new missions, and i tryed to restart the game :/

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meager spruce May 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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missions reset once a day at 14CET for eu server

azure tiger May 10, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Grille isn’t worse than 113gft , the gun is just amazing ( dpm and dispersion aiming time op )

stiff edge May 10, 2020, 6:29 PM

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grille as good as long as you dont get hit.. which is kinda hard since you've got worse camo than the 4005 and you're quite big for a glass cannon

winged barn May 10, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Whe grille hull down is ridiculously troll. People want to HE you, but 1/3 of the tiny turret is gun, and if you are moving horizontally back and forth a ton of people will either miss or hit your gun. The grille actually has pretty good armor.

jagged crescent May 10, 2020, 8:53 PM

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@winged barn wait what does the hull-down grille look like. For me, the Grille’s just free HE farming in most scenarios
(Even in my Leopard 1 although it’s a lot riskier)

karmic steeple May 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

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That’s......an interesting take

distant river May 10, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I wouldn't say it has good armour but everything else he said was entirely true. In the position shown most people will shoot HE (it's 20mm of armour) but with wiggling your gun it's almost guaranteed splash damage.

The main issue with trying this is that basically every hit will kill your gunner or destroy your gun so that's why I run double repair kit and medic kit but it works great for me when I'm agressive

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karmic steeple May 10, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Ig that’s true but ik if I’m pop shotting grilles in positions like that I’m not even gonna bother trying to aim HE bc of their aim time

winged barn May 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Al long range, the turret is very hard to hit. Add the gun, plenty of people fail to pen you.

drifting depot May 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

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the classic weak German engine

haughty moss May 10, 2020, 11:45 PM

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In the next up date will their 7 tanks like smasher and grave digger be nerfed because they are realy in balance especial gravedigger it has too much armor

main tulip May 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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I never said the WZ-120FT isn't OP, it just isn't as OP as it once was since so many other tier 8s have been buffed recently

jagged crescent May 11, 2020, 2:45 AM

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then nerf the Tiger II's lower glacis plate

drifting depot May 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Make the tiger 2s lower plate somewhere around 90 - 110 mm

main tulip May 11, 2020, 3:41 AM

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90 is lower than it was before the buff dude

crystal spoke May 11, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Wgs already said they are happy with how its preforming and if they would need it they would look at the mobility and not the armour

drifting depot May 11, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Oof yeah, that mobility it's extremely high for such armor

wraith veldt May 11, 2020, 5:07 AM

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please give the T54E1 HE shells

rancid drift May 11, 2020, 7:26 AM

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then nerf the Tiger II's lower glacis plate
Yes please! There’s no reason it should have the best armor out of t8.. better than some super heavies lol. Most t9s can’t even pen it. Plus the Lowe and jag and the jag 8.8 didn’t get the same buff. One thing that annoyed me about this game was that every tank has a weakness from the front. But it’s more fair and less frustrating to fight against. But what’s worse than that is when that rule is broken. And the counter to a tank should not be “premium ammo” ONLY some people can’t afford it

distant river May 11, 2020, 8:40 AM

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@rancid drift If you are going to complain get your facts right. Tier 9s go through the tiger like butter and the jagtiger did get a buff. If you can't afford prammo then you need to get your act together.

This issue is that average med prammo is still useless even without the tiger using any depression or cover. It needs a lower plate nerf to what it was before then an upper plate buff.

rancid drift May 11, 2020, 8:44 AM

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I’ve played a lot of t9 and 10 recently and I can only pen the lower plate with tier 9 tds I had trouble in my st1 is8 and of course some mediums and lights. And that’s with semi decent angling, yes they can in a fair fight where the tiger is angled badly. But most knowledgeable players can counter that, I think it’s still too strong. And yes the jag did get a buff but not to the extent of the tiger. If they sit on the same chassis shouldn’t they have the same stats?

winged barn May 11, 2020, 8:58 AM

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An is6 can do literally nothing against a tiger. The tiger has mor mobility=no flanking, the prammo cant even go through the frontal armor, and good luck hitting the hatch.

distant river May 11, 2020, 9:41 AM

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@rancid drift If you are having issues in an IS8 or STI then it's entirely a user error as shown by the screenshot. The jag never needed a buff and now it needs a nerf, and you want to buff it more?

@winged barn That's using the low pen gun which is meant for taking out meds not heavies from the front.

Yes it is a stupidly strong tank but if you are going to complain do it with sense, like by showing that the average med prammo will not be able to pen the tiger at all (except in cupola) on flat ground if the tiger is angled.

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winged barn May 11, 2020, 9:45 AM

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A medium has the ability to flank, this is fine. An is6 cannot do that. It can do literally nothing against a tiger. The tiger can just push across an open field straight at my is6 if it wanted. What can I do? Run away? Nope, it is faster. Bounce it's shots? Lol. Sit and accept death? Probably the only option, unless the tiger has brain troubles.

rancid drift May 11, 2020, 9:47 AM

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@distant river you are missing my point. Of course t9s would have an easier time against a t8 I’m saying that every single t8 has trouble against the tiger which is not right

distant river May 11, 2020, 10:09 AM

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@rancid drift No you were complaining about two tier 9s that can easily go through a tiger 2. You weren't talking about tier 8s at all. Read what you said again.

unique scaffold May 11, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Nerf ("SU-100Y" pls nerf the dmg (damage) or armor

jagged zephyr May 11, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Is the SU 100Y really that bad at tier 6 currently? I personally (maybe because I'm a filthy SU 152 player) think that both the SU 152 and KV-2 are far worse than the SU 100Y. The armor is already so bad that it can be penned by basically everything, and it's larger than a house.

unique scaffold May 11, 2020, 1:00 PM

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it’s funny how strong and underrated the SU 100Y is

drowsy plaza May 11, 2020, 2:10 PM

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If you are having trouble against a Tiger 2 in an IS-6, you don’t understand how to play it. DPM gun can burn down a Tiger2 easy

winged barn May 11, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Dpm gun is great when the tiger is not pointed at you. As soon as they do, hatch shots are the only option, while the tiger can just hammer away at the is6

jagged crescent May 11, 2020, 3:21 PM

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either that or load gold but that itself lowers ur dpm

turbid smelt May 11, 2020, 4:28 PM

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@jagged crescent dpm gun's gold rounds don't have penetration to go through tiger2's front

jagged crescent May 11, 2020, 4:35 PM

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then what was InC6ticide trying to say lmao. "DPM gun can burn down a Tiger2 easy" only works when you're dealing with a Tiger 2 that's showing off its sides/rear

round bluff May 11, 2020, 5:32 PM

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what, no. If you're using dpm gun you're never going to pen the tiger 2. If you're using the high pen gun, the tiger 2 will burn you down. The is6 is 100% hopeless against tiger 2.

turbid smelt May 11, 2020, 5:40 PM

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@jagged crescent the point of dpm gun is to knife fight, not sit at front

jagged crescent May 11, 2020, 5:42 PM

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ok so how does that help against a competent tiger 2

distant river May 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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If you are competent in return then you won't be fighting the tiger 2 frontally in the first place 🤷‍♀️

stiff edge May 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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what if its 7 tiger 2s in a t8 tourny @distant river
dont rly have a choice then xd

distant river May 11, 2020, 6:35 PM

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If you are taking an IS6 in a tournament then you have enough personal issues to worry about 🤷‍♀️

round bluff May 11, 2020, 6:36 PM

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lol tank balance isnt about "you can beat it if you play gooood." It doesnt matter if you're some 60%er who thinks everyone should just get their weight up.
A 50%er driving a is6 vs. a 50%er driving a tiger 2. Who wins?

nimble zodiac May 11, 2020, 6:40 PM

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This isn’t a 1v1 game either, Tiger II is a great brawling tank, but the power stops when either people load gold, manage to snap the cupola, or attack the Tiger from even slightly different angles

I say buff the IS-6’s upper plate but people would suddenly slap the 252U name on it

distant river May 11, 2020, 6:45 PM

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That's not entirely correct. For instance when the VK100 came out everyone cried about how op it was (when it wasn't) because no-one could aim for a lower glacis. WG listened to those "special" people and now it's awful.

If you are basing tanks performances off players who refuse to learn anything then you are going to mess things up badly. That's why there's such a mess with the Sheridan. Everyone keeps crying but almost all of the hits I've seen people take have been their own fault entirely due to bad positioning.

If you are going to complain about a tank do it intelligently and well otherwise it's pointless. @round bluff

round bluff May 11, 2020, 6:49 PM

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then if you're gonna defend a tank, do it with more than just "git gud." you're telling people to counter a tiger 2 by flanking it with another frontline heavy. Say that out loud in your head. Does that sound sensible?

And if you want to talk about how much "random mm blitz" is a team game, then fine. a full team of 60%ers in tiger 2s versus a full team of 60%ers in is6. Have fun flanking.

nocturne mauve May 11, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Lmao is-6 has no hope in hell against the op tiger 2, also what good tiger 2 player allows you to freely shoot their sides ey? And don’t say the hatch is an option, it is extremely flat and if the tiger 2 moves, it’s not really viable is it?

distant river May 11, 2020, 7:23 PM

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@round bluff If you think I'm defending it then you really need some reading lessons. If you insist on thinking about things through stupid situations then I suggest keeping your ideas to yourself.

@nocturne mauve That is entirely incorrect. All the IS6 needs to do is get to the tigers side. If you are assuming the tiger is a good player too then you can assume the IS6 is good enough to put up a fight back.

It really isn't that hard to actually think of a reason why the tiger 2 is broken without putting it in stupid and unfair situations guys...

round bluff May 11, 2020, 7:25 PM

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@distant river so then if "all the is6 needs to do is get to the tiger's side," all the tiger 2 needs to do is keep its front at the is6. Which is easier for heavies?

nocturne mauve May 11, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Yeah, as if you’re always in the position to get to the tiger 2s side? A good tiger 2 player won’t allow that, plus the tank isn’t even slow

remote oriole May 11, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I find it hard to imagine a situation when the IS-6 can without trouble get and stay at the Tiger IIs side - mediums struggle with it, and the circle of death is stuff of legends by now, since most tanks are completely capable of keeping up by solely turning

crystal spoke May 11, 2020, 7:38 PM

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So what happened to the other 6 players on your team in that situation?

distant river May 11, 2020, 7:39 PM

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@round bluff That entirely depends on positioning etc

@nocturne mauve And a good IS6 player will find a way around that.

@remote oriole When you have 250 dpm advantage as well as 150 extra hp you don't need to get there "without trouble"

round bluff May 11, 2020, 7:41 PM

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it really doesnt depend on position but okie

nocturne mauve May 11, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Since when was IS-6 a manoeuvrable tank? The thing can’t circle lol

remote oriole May 11, 2020, 7:58 PM

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The Tiger II will need six shots for an IS-6 with standard ammo unless he gets really unlucky, then he needs seven. The IS-6 requires five shots against the Tiger II, unless he gets really lucky, then he needs four.

So the Tiger II needs around 53 seconds if he continuously shoots the IS-6, or one minute and two seconds if he gets unlucky
The IS-6 will require around one minute and two seconds with the pen gun and standard ammunition. If he gets very lucky, he'll need 50 seconds. So the IS-6 is wasted with the pen gun and even if all the luck is on his side, he also needs the Tiger to get very unlucky.
If the IS-6 runs the dpm gun, he will need around 51 seconds under normal circumstances, and around 41 if he gets very lucky. So the IS-6 would just about win if he connects all shots from the start.

This is a one to one dpm tradeoff with standard ammunition by both tanks, with the IS-6 having the pen gun with 221 mm penetration or the dpm gun with 175mm of pen respectively.
Both tanks run only the rammer as equipment, both foods and the better fuel.

Note: If the IS-6 runs the equipment that increases its heath, the Tiger II will have to shoot him seven times in most cases, but it's way less likely that he'll need one extra shot if he gets unlucky. The count of shots for the IS-6 doesn't change if the Tiger II chooses the extra hp, but the case that the IS-6 needs only four shots becomes very unlikely.

wind bough May 11, 2020, 8:08 PM

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i still don't know why people argue about ATGMs ..
WG will not remove em
so the only thing which is possible too ,is to reduce missiles turn time
so possible chance of hit will get lower on some shots

nocturne mauve May 11, 2020, 8:10 PM

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What a way to ruin the conversation by randomly talking about ATGMs

stiff edge May 11, 2020, 8:11 PM

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if they reduce/change missile speed in any way, all those people that have many hours practicing missiles would be extremely frustrated because they have to relearn everything, all those hours wasted.

remote oriole May 11, 2020, 8:12 PM

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If you look at the armour, the IS-6 is just in such a heavy disadvantage when it comes to standard ammunition that the comparison seems ridiculous.

Frontally, the IS-6 has only two options with the dpm gun: mg port or hatch. Best of luck for either, and happy sniping. And that is with or without god ammunition.
The pen gun is better off here, but only with prammo: Standard rounds are as effective as the gold shells of the dpm gun. The HEAT eats the Tiger hull for lunch, though. And your dpm as well.

The Tiger II looks at a way juicier target in regards to its standard round; it can penetrate the upper part of the upper hull, both hatches, the left cheek of the turret and the lower plate. And if you feel like shooting gold, the entire frontal hull except for the shoulder palates and the turret is free real estate.

To conclude, the IS-6 gets eaten alive by the Tiger II, and until the IS-6 reaches the side of the Tiger II he is already at such a hitpoint disadvantage that he may as well pul a Frenchie (sorry, bad joke) or replace the tank with a white flag

regal grove May 11, 2020, 8:19 PM

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or maybe tiger II is decent and the is-6 is just god awful (which it is)
But WG did say that although they aren’t adjusting armor on the tiger II they ARE nerfing traverse soon, hopefully that’ll keep it in line with other heavies

wind bough May 11, 2020, 8:20 PM

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@stiff edge
i rather to train myself again with new atgm than being targeted by a guy which i can't even see him ( the way that it takes a lil more skill is better than something which even idiots can do)
i mean i do the same and people rage at me cause i hit the usually impossible shots

solid summit May 11, 2020, 8:21 PM

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buff wz 111 model 1-4

stiff edge May 11, 2020, 8:21 PM

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@wind bough some people have spent countless hours on it, some people have played thousands of battles in the sheridan and t92e1 to master missiles, i dont think they would be too happy

nocturne mauve May 11, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Some noobs only fire missiles because it’s fun, ive seen a guy who plays ratings only to fire his missiles and not even help the team... useless

wind bough May 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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ik but its not fun when there is 8 or 6 sheridan or T92e1 in a single match when you are in a something light armor
this happened to me while using progetto 65 and i literally found a wall and stick to it till they kill themselves

atleast wg should put a limit on how many atgms can spawn on each team in match maker
and its frustrating @stiff edge

also good player won't have much trouble against new missiles anyway cause no need atgms to be heavily nerfed

remote oriole May 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Or just make the speed 330m/s which makes close turns near impossible while still being uselessly slow over a long range. Faster speed at the same turn mate means wider circles; that's not a buff

stiff edge May 11, 2020, 8:34 PM

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i dont think anyone said they wanted it heavily buffed

nocturne mauve May 11, 2020, 8:43 PM

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The ATGM spam was so bad that WG had to limit the amount of light tanks per team, also slower missiles are much better because you can manoeuvre it easier and it turns at a higher angle, so you would expect a lot of trick shots with it, but the enemy can react faster

ebon mango May 11, 2020, 10:06 PM

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bring back old gun arc for the grille

main tulip May 11, 2020, 10:09 PM

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And old mobility

drifting depot May 11, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Bring back the grille basically

warped hornet May 12, 2020, 12:56 AM

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hmm, can we buff the IS-8/T-10, frontal armor specifically?

nocturne mauve May 12, 2020, 1:02 AM

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No

warped hornet May 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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No? Why?

fiery flame May 12, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Tiger II lower plate pls nerf

nimble zodiac May 12, 2020, 1:57 AM

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@warped hornet It’s a heavium (IS-8), meant to quickly get positions, maybe use hulldown, and allow the great gun to work its magic

drifting depot May 12, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Even tho the turret is also quite bad

main tulip May 12, 2020, 3:28 AM

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IS-8 should get a slight traverse buff if anything, it's not mobile enough to be a proper heavium imo

distant river May 12, 2020, 8:17 AM

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The IS8 is an amazing tank how it is, it doesn't need a buff just a different playstyle to what people are used to.

compact nymph May 12, 2020, 9:07 AM

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@unique scaffold Wrong channel
Also Grille 15 buff when?
Or replace it by the WT auf E 100🤡

drifting depot May 12, 2020, 9:08 AM

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.-. Oh one of these guys again, it's enough with the 3 guys I always seem to meet in battle that keep spamming their channels in chat

turbid smelt May 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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@unique scaffold promoting your channel anywhere else except for #replays is against server #rules , evaluate your decision before pinkies see this

unique scaffold May 12, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Ok

drowsy plaza May 12, 2020, 2:00 PM

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IS-8 doesn’t need a buff, it’s a fantastic heavium.

coarse harness May 12, 2020, 2:04 PM

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The Tiger II is broken and the IS-6 is mediocre at best

The Tiger needs a lower plate nerf and/or mobility nerf

On the other hand the IS-6 needs an UFP buff desperately and depending on the amount of armor buff maybe some gun buffs

coarse harness May 12, 2020, 2:20 PM

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People complaining about the Tiger II's ufp in T9 battles
IS-6 is like: "Tell me more"🤭

nocturne mauve May 12, 2020, 2:26 PM

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The IS-6 is so bad, why does this thing with paper armour reload 0.6s slower than the average tier 8 IS?

winged barn May 12, 2020, 2:29 PM

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It makes a great tier 7
Even then the is2 has better armor

summer mist May 12, 2020, 3:02 PM

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why do I hate the useless Predator UM ?
maybe it's because I'm just a noob... yeah I'm pretty sure

latent snow May 12, 2020, 3:03 PM

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No it sucks, taller than the maus but has -5 of gun depression.

stiff edge May 12, 2020, 3:04 PM

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predator is in the top 3 for worst tier 7 heavies

winged barn May 12, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Yea. Rage sold that after an e25 got on my side

vital ice May 12, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I think that api would be a really cool concept to add to the game

regal grove May 12, 2020, 3:35 PM

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No get out
@unique scaffold eat him

gleaming apexBOT May 12, 2020, 3:36 PM

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dynoSuccess THEBESTBRO#9760 has been warned.

unique scaffold May 12, 2020, 3:57 PM

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La vida en combate.-

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autumn zodiac May 12, 2020, 5:49 PM

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@unique scaffold solo inglés porfa, esta canal es para discusiónes de tanques. Sí vas a compartir capturas de pantallas, usa #screenshots

lone warren May 12, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I rate the spanish 9/10

main tulip May 12, 2020, 6:28 PM

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The Pershing needs a buff, its mobility and armor are both average but the gun has both underwhelming pen and horrible dpm for a 90mm at tier 8

drowsy plaza May 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I would agree

lone warren May 12, 2020, 7:38 PM

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The americans need some love.
Poor t110e4, t28, pershing

nimble zodiac May 12, 2020, 7:59 PM

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T1 Heavy makes up for it ;)
And of course the ATGM tanks

unique scaffold May 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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nerf t1 heavy and tiger 1 2 and the medium t6 german heavy cant aim for weak spots when you got like .41 accuracy hell even premo ammo struggles

nimble zodiac May 12, 2020, 9:05 PM

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I think Tiger I is fine, Tiger II could use a stronger UFP and a weaker LFP. T1 Heavy could at least get terrible side armor

lilac spade May 12, 2020, 10:14 PM

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t1 heavy already has none existent sides

main tulip May 12, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Nice joke, the T1 heavy's sides can't even be penned at 45 degrees by a lot of tanks

hearty sparrow May 12, 2020, 10:36 PM

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ye the thing i find with the tiger ii is that if anyone is shooting prammo you are gonna get penned every time. So i would massively weaken its lfp to around 200 mm effective so all tier 8 ht standard rounds can pen it effectively, and give its upper plate slightly more armor so its more resistant to prammo.

rancid drift May 12, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Finally people who agree with what I want. Two nights ago people were hating on me for having that opinion

remote oriole May 12, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Make me wonder what will happen in two days?

jagged crescent May 13, 2020, 2:26 AM

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People complaining about the Tiger II's ufp in T9 battles
Assuming that any tier 8 actually has ultra-reliable armor against a bunch of TierIX tanks with TierX guns

If you want Tier9 hull armor, use the E75.

The issue is that there's almost nothing from most Tier 8 tech tree tanks that can deal with a frontal Tiger II because of the lack of weakspots.

Which is why i'm for a lower front plate nerf

wraith veldt May 13, 2020, 4:28 AM

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wait wait wait, you're saying tier 8 tech tree cant deal with a frontal tiger 2. And then you're saying it needs a buff. U realise that makes it harder to pen right?

People complaining about the Tiger II's ufp in T9 battles
Assuming that any tier 8 actually has ultra-reliable armor against a bunch of TierIX tanks with TierX guns

If you want Tier9 hull armor, use the E75.

The issue is that there's almost nothing from most Tier 8 tech tree tanks that can deal with a frontal Tiger II because of the lack of weakspots.

Which is why i'm for a lower front plate buff
@jagged crescent

nimble zodiac May 13, 2020, 5:01 AM

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He probably meant nerf

... like it should

burnt venture May 13, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Main problem here is that the Tiger II plays NOTHING like the Tiger I or the E75. It is the only tank in the line with stronger lower plate than the upper plate, which makes ZERO sense. I have two kinds of games in the Tiger II: ones where you are facing tier 7 tanks or tier 8 mediums / lights that can't do jack against you, or those games where your armor is completely useless against tier 8 heavies or tier 9 tanks. Makes absolutely no sense to me. UFP buff to 240-250mm effective on flat ground, lower plate nerf to what it was before WG decided to randomly make it as strong as the upper plate

wraith veldt May 13, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Please give the T54E1 HE shells, theres literally no reason for tanks not to have HE

raw glen May 13, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Smasher needs missiles

crystal spoke May 13, 2020, 6:51 AM

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I'd like to hear your reasoning as why?

latent snow May 13, 2020, 6:57 AM

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erm balance obviously? imagine if something possed as a threat to a smasher

raw glen May 13, 2020, 6:58 AM

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And It has one on the outside?

cosmic narwhal May 13, 2020, 7:46 AM

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M6A2E1 needs more health.

fiery dagger May 13, 2020, 8:12 AM

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Fv4202-s turret armour should be 196 mm everywhere.