#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 148

jade cargoBOT Dec 15, 2019, 8:11 PM

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dynoSuccess Zqstriker#7755 has been warned.

acoustic shard Dec 15, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Buff Vindicaror from 2 to 6 Degree's of gun depression. Give's it 250 pen on the prem Heat and 88 on the HE. then It would be just perfect

round sundial Dec 15, 2019, 10:14 PM

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It needs no buff

latent snow Dec 15, 2019, 10:26 PM

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It’s really bad, big box with -2 of gun depression and no side armor. Only good part about it is the nice dpm and the fact that it has protection against HEAT frontally. But that’s it. Not to mention HEAT is it’s standard ammo so can’t shoot through a fence 🤡🤡🤡

flat bane Dec 15, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Wait Vind has -2? Lol clown tank

nimble zodiac Dec 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

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It’s not threatening until it’s a tier higher than your tank

steep vapor Dec 15, 2019, 11:29 PM

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when is anything not threatening when it's a tier higher than ur tank honestly lol

digital flax Dec 15, 2019, 11:47 PM

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When you master your loltractor in a tier 3 game

storm hatch Dec 16, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Can someone explain to me why the British td’s have overpowered consumables and the other tanks don’t?

crystal spoke Dec 16, 2019, 1:23 AM

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because there adding new consumables to every line slowly

queen mason Dec 16, 2019, 1:46 AM

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They need to give the IS-2 a better reputation as a heavy tank, kinda sucks.

regal grove Dec 16, 2019, 1:53 AM

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60 km/h Grille day 1

drifting depot Dec 16, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Jageroo 38kmh day 1 +sum extra hp noice

storm hatch Dec 16, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Leaving other tanks at a disadvantage is improper in my opinion, I’d rather have to wait more time and have all of them added at the same time. @crystal spoke

crystal spoke Dec 16, 2019, 4:14 AM

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i think they said something a long the lines of there trying it on a few lines or something idr

austere bone Dec 16, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Buff wz 120 gun dep to 4-6 and buff charioteer dpm by a little and buff challengers alpha and traverse and aim time please all those really need improvements also buff amx 30 1er HE dmg avrg to 350-400 i always do less dmg with HE on that tank then ap might be a bug or something?...

ember thunder Dec 16, 2019, 6:51 AM

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no buffing already buffed tanks nor bufffing ok performing tanks

pallid nest Dec 16, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Charioteer needs an aim time buff, not some expensive crp consumable that makes 2 shots aim fast for like 6k credits. Wz-120 should have 5 degrees of gun depression.

coarse harness Dec 16, 2019, 7:49 AM

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The Challanger needs dpm and/or gun handlig buff
On the WZ-120 4° gun dep would be enough with it's current stats

austere bone Dec 16, 2019, 8:18 AM

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I was thinking 5 the smallest bump and the gun flys up

austere moat Dec 16, 2019, 8:32 AM

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5 would make it broken tbh. 4 is probably optimal, as its gun and turret is so bloody strong

austere bone Dec 16, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Obj 140 has 6° with 240 turret armor wz 120 has 220 t 54 has better hull armor with 200 turret armor and 6° too i think

austere moat Dec 16, 2019, 8:54 AM

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but the 120 has a 400 alpha gun with nuts aim time
Besides, artificial gun depression is a thing

round sundial Dec 16, 2019, 9:12 AM

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WZ120 needs no buff, it already has an excellent gun. Poor T54 already only has better hull armour and gun depression over it

indigo knot Dec 16, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Wz120 need gun depression buff
Still it is in the bottom of the charts even after it has better everything than T54 according to u

There is lot of difference still....you can't snap shot in Chinese meds and in case of meds in general moving accuracy is more important which most of the 121 line has bad

round sundial Dec 16, 2019, 9:58 AM

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Like I said, it already is better in about everything than T54, yet you want more buffs for it? Can't believe this E: How come ? It takes what makes T-34-2 great, but gives it actual DPM too. Sure 3 degs of gun dep and stuff, but that is the only real downside @mellow cape . You can't buff the tank downsides only or you end up with pretty much the same tanks in different tech trees

mellow cape Dec 16, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Tony I think you should try it yourself first, its really not as flexible as T-34-2

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Why i have to do 645 dmg with HE against a Grille 15 using my Kpfpz 70 when a T49 against WT does also 800 or 900 dmg???? They share similar guns, at least buff the HE alpha in Kpfpz, damn it, there's no point in switching from APCR to HE

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 10:45 AM

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@unique scaffold you got different gun caliber from these tanks

storm hatch Dec 16, 2019, 11:21 AM

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It should at least be 780 like the t49, hopefully they implement it in the future @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 11:58 AM

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@unique scaffold no difference in caliber, T49 and Kpfpz 70 share models of the XM conventional 152 mm american gun

vestal linden Dec 16, 2019, 12:14 PM

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kpz needs no buffs.in fact,i'd rather remove the useless HE from it.it has 2 great ammo types.but it would be better if they bumped it up to tier 10 where the tank belongs and buffed it accordingly to 640-560-960

quick dock Dec 16, 2019, 12:41 PM

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Black Prince is not OP, I repeat, Black Prince is not OP

nimble zodiac Dec 16, 2019, 12:57 PM

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Now they can’t because they just sold it cheap in the shop. The lower damage probably results in having it balanced as 640 damage with such a dynamic role in the battlefield might be a bit too annoying to deal with

stark jay Dec 16, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Tiger 1 need a buff
In The real world was the tank very Dangerous, now is only ok

twilit vale Dec 16, 2019, 1:42 PM

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flat maple Dec 16, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Why isn’t tiger 2 getting nerds

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 1:42 PM

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nah Tiger 2 is fine

sly locust Dec 16, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Don’t nerf the Foch the Foch is BaLaNceD

zealous stone Dec 16, 2019, 1:43 PM

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I see that leo 1 is on par with T62A any plan to give it some love ? :3

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 1:43 PM

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What is hp storage nerf?

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Thank god the Foch is getting nerfed

hoary sorrel Dec 16, 2019, 1:43 PM

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@unique scaffold simply means HP nerf

honest urchin Dec 16, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Tiger 2 would do Fine with a nerf on the lower plate though It is fine
Progetto nerf makes sense I guess I bounce shots on it a lot probably the nature of the tank

soft spindle Dec 16, 2019, 1:49 PM

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What does “dynamics” mean for the progetto nerf

(TY ribble)

lusty silo Dec 16, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@soft spindle engine power and hull traverse speed

quick dock Dec 16, 2019, 1:52 PM

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@honest urchin Tiger 2 doesn't need nerf on lower plate. Turret cheeks.

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 1:52 PM

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If the FV215b gets a massive health nerf wouldnt it get a bit more of front hall armor buff "on the higher plate mostly" (despise the consumables) ?

mellow cape Dec 16, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Where is WZ-120 rework? That tank has had some of the lowest stats in tier 9 for a while and its still not doing better even after the buffs. Its a weird tank to balance but I think it should get a DPM nerf and gun depression buff along with alpha buff to 420/370 to make it more similar to WZ-121.

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 1:53 PM

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@mellow cape wz 120 does not need a buff, not at all, in the current state it is a great tank, i played it after the latest buff, give it 2 more degrees of gun depr and you got yourself a new OP t9 med and you might aswell say bye to the t54. @unique scaffold before commenting take a good look again, realize that you are wrong. @summer hornet the number of T22s is too little

honest urchin Dec 16, 2019, 1:56 PM

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@quick dock I am referring to when the tank faces t7
If Tiger 2 turns turret the sides become easier to pen whilst still being very difficult for t7s and it represents the E100 line more
and also the the tank is slow and has low alpha so I dont think it needs a nerf

naive ibex Dec 16, 2019, 1:57 PM

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How much that camo after shot in grille 15 will be buffed? Or theres planning to increase slighty camo while moving too?

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 1:58 PM

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The Foch will got buffs?
Bye world of tanks blitz
Hi again world of tanks PC

summer hornet Dec 16, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Where is T-22 stats

quick dock Dec 16, 2019, 2:02 PM

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@unique scaffold half buff half nerf. Whether or not the buff will overcompensate the nerf remains to be seen.

unreal spear Dec 16, 2019, 2:04 PM

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KpfPz 70 can increase throughput??

random spruce Dec 16, 2019, 2:05 PM

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good to see the 121B rof buff now add an extra degree of gun depression and do something about the weak ammo rack and fuel tanks ! also the amx 30B fuel tanks are weak as feck !

true relic Dec 16, 2019, 2:05 PM

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@lusty silo I believe that these aren’t good changes, the progetto will still be overpowering the meta, as it will keep the most broken part of it the same, the gun. It will also dominate with the nerf of the foch, which isn’t good because the gun is the only thing that really makes it great, and it is balanced with the terrible turning speed and aim time, which the progetto will benefit from. The Foch’s gun and armor are balanced with the weak ammo rack, and bad side/rear armor which decent players can easily use to kill it

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 2:07 PM

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@true relic please, please read the changes again before writing a paragraph. Also all you talked about the foch is just funny.

unreal spear Dec 16, 2019, 2:14 PM

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According to me KpfPz 70 needs to increase throughput because it will not break the T10 armor at all so Buff needs at least a smaller Buff for Throughput

lusty silo Dec 16, 2019, 2:14 PM

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@true relic the vital thing about progetto is autoreloader. We don't touch that. Also all the changes i mentioned before won't be significant.

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 2:15 PM

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What will be the damage per shot of foch 155 after nerf?

coarse harness Dec 16, 2019, 2:17 PM

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They can't even show the WR on the Panther and the Indien lol

@remote oriole it's not about the 1% rule
The WR on those tanks were lower than the minimum on the charts

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remote oriole Dec 16, 2019, 2:18 PM

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“tanks only over 1% of battles”

Oh and, I think the buffs and nerfs are good calls. Now I’ll wait for 6.7 or 6.8 to see if they will do something with the Tiger II

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 2:19 PM

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i spent 60k gold to get the foch 155 then you nerf it WG? im really not happy

knotty wadi Dec 16, 2019, 2:20 PM

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So WZ121 out performing Progetto after buffs but still hit progetto with nerf bat... sigh!

jade charm Dec 16, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Why is foch getting a reload buff?

hearty steeple Dec 16, 2019, 2:20 PM

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But why did you spend 60k gold to get a tech tree tank? I got it for free by just grinding.

Rock they are nerfing its damage per shot so i guess to keep similar dpm

polar talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:21 PM

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At least it wont Insta killa grille if ya big Hecc.

jade charm Dec 16, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Makes sense figured they would just nerf the auto loader reload to make it so that the tank couldn't just 1200 dmg a Target in like 5 seconds but a damage need would also change that. so I just don't know why wg went with the dmg nerf instead of reload nerf. Maybe make the clip reload a little longer idk

errant warren Dec 16, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Are The gun changes to foch For which gun or both? IS that confirmed
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unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 2:33 PM

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autoloader

soft spindle Dec 16, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@lusty silo will the rate of fire buff on the Foch 155 be on the autoloader, or non autoloader gun?

indigo knot Dec 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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@unique scaffold 560 I believe
It should be on the autoloader

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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i hope not...i hope its more

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I hope it does

noble siren Dec 16, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Wait there is information about the buffs and nerfs? If yes can you send it here plz

coarse harness Dec 16, 2019, 2:47 PM

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#devs-answers

outer pewter Dec 16, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Foch 155 will be buffed and nerf to the more original and better design.

shy wren Dec 16, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Ooer, less than 1% for the Indien Pz in Update 6.4... that's gotta be due to players opting to grind the Leo 1 via the Ru 251

The Indien's such a good and reliable MT

harsh ravine Dec 16, 2019, 2:58 PM

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They’re most likely buffing the regular gun, not the autoloader, but still, I’m disappointed. All they had to do was just nerf the autoloader

true relic Dec 16, 2019, 3:01 PM

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@lusty silo do you think you could give an idea on what the foch change would look like (which gun, what alpha)?

indigo knot Dec 16, 2019, 3:14 PM

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@shy wren I thought they had less than 55% WR

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Where is the text covering buffs & nerfs? Can't seem to find it.

onyx garnet Dec 16, 2019, 3:33 PM

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can anyone explain me why the E 50 M caused me 1000 damage by ramming me? I played T-62A

orchid grove Dec 16, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Why is the base HP of the 215b being nerfed? That's just stupid. They should just take away the provisions that gave it that HP in the first place. Now they're just forcing people to buy the HP provisions, which is stupid

dim field Dec 16, 2019, 3:39 PM

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@unique scaffold
#devs-answers

vague pine Dec 16, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Cmon WG. The Fv215B was before the consumables an absolutely fine fine tank which could perform very well. And now you nerfing it? I mean thousands of people told WG that the consumables make the FV broke and WG didn’t listen but now they nerf the tanks base stats? Crazy! Just put the sandbags away and give it another skill.

karmic steeple Dec 16, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Lol where do they find these ppl that voted for the new consumables Bc I dont know one person in favor of them

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 3:50 PM

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i really see no big issue in them, more flexibility.

nocturne mauve Dec 16, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Why is WG so slow to realise what’s happening?! It’s clear the tiger 2 needs a nerf, at least a lower glacis nerf please

flat maple Dec 16, 2019, 4:04 PM

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It’s not a nerf, the Foch is will be even stronger with a higher RoF

heady laurel Dec 16, 2019, 4:07 PM

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What will the average alpha fpr the foch 155 autoloader?

iron hearth Dec 16, 2019, 4:11 PM

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wow they actually heard me when i was saying the 121b was performing really bad, all saying the tank was great lol 😂

fathom quail Dec 16, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Lol

orchid grove Dec 16, 2019, 4:35 PM

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@karmic steeple

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unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Buff the T28 (Turretless TD)

karmic steeple Dec 16, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Ik that but where are those 600 ppl defending it in any of these chats
Any active ppl on this server don’t like it

true relic Dec 16, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Tiger 2 nerf?

lean plaza Dec 16, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Why fv215b getting an hp nerf?! It should get a consumable nerf

coarse harness Dec 16, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Well the IS-8 is in one of the three worst tanks in the charts for 9 months
The tank is definitely not bad just hard to play but I would like to have 1° more gun depression (5° atm) instead of some stupid armor buff
It would be more flexible an easier to go hull down

craggy dust Dec 16, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Nerfing fv215b hp really?it has good hp for the armor it has

full token Dec 16, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Yea if their provisions were being too effective, they should’ve just made the hp bonus smaller

lean plaza Dec 16, 2019, 5:10 PM

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IKR. Hopefully the hp nerf won’t be a lot. It is a key tourney tank so don’t destroy it

lunar niche Dec 16, 2019, 5:10 PM

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FV215b nerfed because of unnecessary consumables and provisions lol.

drowsy plaza Dec 16, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Exactly

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 5:22 PM

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am i really the only one who doesn't mind the nerf on the 215b ? ?

drowsy plaza Dec 16, 2019, 5:23 PM

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I’d prefer getting rid of the unique consumables.

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That is what is throwing things off so badly

lean plaza Dec 16, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Then just nerf reactive armor. It’s not that hard

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Too OwerPowered the Foch.. Why again will got buffs?

distant river Dec 16, 2019, 5:46 PM

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WG seem to be about to make some smart decisions, hopefully they won't go to far (and ofc they will be implemented much later than they should have been) but it seems like a very good step forward. I would prefer a gun traverse nerf and a hull traverse buff for the grille but camo buff is alright, other than that good job WG for actually listening

Also the lack of the tiger 2 nerf isn't great but it isn't as important as the higher tiers so it's not terrible and could still happen

true relic Dec 16, 2019, 7:49 PM

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but everybody’s complaining about the foch being op and the tiger 2 is around the same level imo. It’s got a good gun, and amazing armor+decent speed, looks like to me that wg is just kinda ignoring it

nocturne mauve Dec 16, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@true relic oh yes bro my twin, I feel the same about this broken tank

iron hearth Dec 16, 2019, 8:17 PM

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who cares about the tiger 2 tbh or any other tier tier 8 , the only tiers that matter are tier 9-10

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 8:27 PM

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If the lower tiers don't matter how would new players get to the High Tier?

distant river Dec 16, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Higher tier balance is much more important than lower tiers, that's why the Kenny is still how it is.
The tiger isn't as broken as the Foch imo, it's got less weak spots but its gun doesn't completely outclass anything that it can come against. It's still way too good but not as stupid as the Foch is

true relic Dec 16, 2019, 8:46 PM

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i mean the foch's armor is about as good as the tiger's gun tier for tier, and tier for tier the foch's gun is as broken as the tiger's armor imo, but tier 8 is also pretty close to high tier and where a lot of players play and grind

regal grove Dec 16, 2019, 9:05 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 2

drowsy plaza Dec 16, 2019, 9:08 PM

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@unique scaffold I suspect it will be an alpha nerf to the autoloader, and a reload buff to the single shot.

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Though how you nerf a 155mm alpha...

true relic Dec 16, 2019, 9:12 PM

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🤔 inb4 its the foch 120

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 9:13 PM

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@drowsy plaza you pull a kpz 70 to the alpha

distant river Dec 16, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Still hoping on positives 4*400 autoloader that would take skill to use but it seems unlikely

river portal Dec 16, 2019, 9:22 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502017295107883008/656128587895668767/6.5_-_tier_10.png?width=851&height=473 pls remove 183 or balance it tank is worst tier x tank from more than 5 months

orchid grove Dec 16, 2019, 9:39 PM

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I bet that the Foch nerf will turn out a lot like the T54E1 nerf.

Foch autoloader will probably be nerfed down to 560 alpha, and the reload time will just be buffed to maintain a similar amount of DPM compared to what it has now, since a straight alpha nerf without DPM compensation would be absolutely massive

craggy dust Dec 16, 2019, 9:40 PM

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So useless nerf thats what's you mean?

hot sun Dec 16, 2019, 9:50 PM

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I think they are trying to get it to where it cant 2 shot a grille (and other tanks) in 7 secs lol. If dpm stays the same, might still be okie for yoloing and brawling. I hope

tawny sail Dec 16, 2019, 9:57 PM

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The Foch change will mean that it won't be a massive burst damage machine. It'll be more dpm focused

round sundial Dec 16, 2019, 10:01 PM

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It can't be a DPM machine, it already is a speed demon and a great armour @tawny sail E: @hot sun Sure they may do it, but they absolutely shouldn't

hot sun Dec 16, 2019, 10:04 PM

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The nerf and corresponding buff might say other wise. I can see it becoming more dpm oriented

tawny sail Dec 16, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Lol it's armour is only good against standard rounds, once you load premium it's paper thin, not to talk about you can easily pen the drivewheel with apcr.
The speed is only effective when moving, when it's up close it relies on its decent traverse and the gun traverse is poor. Stop crying about everything about the Foch when the gun is the main thing about the whole tank.

coarse harness Dec 16, 2019, 10:10 PM

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👆 👆 👆 👆
You don't even have to load gold for the drive wheel
You can pretty much overmatch it even with a BC

unique scaffold Dec 16, 2019, 10:13 PM

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📎 20191216_2104__fradan69_GB19_Sherman_Firefly_amigosville.wotbreplay

indigo knot Dec 16, 2019, 10:19 PM

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I would love to see Foch nerfed to the ground
It is the second tank that I feel so much hate for after pre nerfed 183

coarse harness Dec 16, 2019, 10:23 PM

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I would love to see perfectly balanced tanks🤷🏻‍♂️

fringe apex Dec 16, 2019, 10:47 PM

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@tawny sail since when a tank have to be balanced on pramo ? The Foch armor is really effective, if pp Switch to pramo they Lost a lot of dpm, so Foch armor is usefull+it has great mobility+Amazing gun

tawny sail Dec 16, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Oh so when the fochs armour can only be reliably penned by premium it's not okay, but when the maus's armour can only be penned by premium it's fine. Cool cool.
Like I said, shoot it in the drive wheel from any angle and it's the easiest pen.

round sundial Dec 16, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Did you just say that? "Speed is only effective when moving"??? Amd did you just compare it to a Maus? Which is million times slower and with a million times worse gun? Agent bond, you're speaking nonsense, Foch has crazy everything about it, it needs a massive nerf, anything else is a terrible balancing by WG. The foch should ideally be something like AMX AC 48. Strong frontal armour and good speed, at the expense of a somewhat lackluster gun for a TD. Right now, that's just not true and that is unacceptable

tawny sail Dec 16, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Oh so if I have 100kmp top speed, but I'm not moving or just holding a position, my speed is effective? And yes I compared it to the maus. And no, after these changes to the Foch it'll be fine as it won't be a massive burst of damage, it'll be dpm

hot sun Dec 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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yolo noises intensify

indigo knot Dec 16, 2019, 11:37 PM

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That straight line speed is what allows Foch to take important positions in the map while Maus can't reach such advantageous positions....Foch has everything armour speed and gun basically WZ120gft of its tier but slightly worse

560(480)700 would be ideal alpha for it...and yes 150mm guns have this alpha

heady laurel Dec 16, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I hope for 600 alpha on the foch 155. Anything less and its not accurate alpha for the guns caliber

charred bobcat Dec 17, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Doubt it. Probably gonna be changed to either 460 or 560.

orchid grove Dec 17, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Probably 560

vale sun Dec 17, 2019, 12:22 AM

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really

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empty ice Dec 17, 2019, 12:29 AM

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@vale sun isn't it going to be -8°?

shy wren Dec 17, 2019, 12:33 AM

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They readjusted it after some open tests @empty ice

vale sun Dec 17, 2019, 12:37 AM

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the above image is from the WG facebook page

indigo meadow Dec 17, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Gave me a few giggles

molten crystal Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Now WG does Memes about their "balancing"? They must not let us know, that they are just screwing with us, stirring up the Meta at each update instead of doing actual balancing. That's when you are trapped between reason and profit. But why adding insult to injury!?

lean plaza Dec 17, 2019, 2:43 AM

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So update is coming Wednesday according to 62a chart

hearty sparrow Dec 17, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Yeh probably

strong sand Dec 17, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Tues night for NA perhaps (like 6.5)

flat bane Dec 17, 2019, 3:44 AM

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So foch won't have a 155mm with the new auto loader?

versed gate Dec 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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For 183, WG can remove AP all together, with 303 mm HEAT as premmo and 140 mm HESH as standard round(no change to alpha).

This will insure that some skill is required to work with heat round( IMO AP is just too easy to use with high pen and encourages camping).

Same for the HESH, 140mm is good enough to pen sides of lot of tanks and its not an automatic 1300 slap on the face.

Then buff the tank around that to playable level.

torpid furnace Dec 17, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Why has the WT PZ4 not been nerfed?

foggy oriole Dec 17, 2019, 6:51 AM

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@empty ice just -7, fail of the year((

naive ibex Dec 17, 2019, 6:54 AM

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foch 155 with 560 alpha dmg and more dpm... mhmmm but how much he rounds will deal dmg? I think that about 640 should be good for balance idk, and that reload between shells, it will be far far decreased from 7s to idk, propably 3s when it must be dpm machine, from that news about nerf i didn't see it at all, is see rather completly foch's gun rework

coarse harness Dec 17, 2019, 7:25 AM

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560 alpha with something like 4 or 5 sec intraclip and about 15 sec clip reload would be good imo

naive ibex Dec 17, 2019, 7:34 AM

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but... that magazine will be far more effective in some cases, u will deal 1120 burst dmg in about that 4-5s than 1280 in 7s right now... (results: foch will not hide in that reload between shells at all) far far more effective, the only think that will be worse in that reworked gun is less HE rounds dmg that won't kill grille from that full magazine

ember basin Dec 17, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Destroying Progetto, how sad. Literally the only tier 10 I play. 😥

unique scaffold Dec 17, 2019, 7:43 AM

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BUFF the IS-8

naive ibex Dec 17, 2019, 7:54 AM

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@ember basin we all know that progetto is really good tank but the only reason that this med is propably the best in tier X meds is that have this special magazine, THIS makes progetto super effective, but other thinks right now: accuracy? very good but one of worst in tier X meds, speed? in some cases quite good in acceleration, turret travese speed good, about 58 km/h max speed, gun? 350 alpha, 1050 burst dmg in 9 seconds, armor? very trollish and paperish, this tank right now is more like light tank with quite small turret and -9 gun depression that allows to do tatcics from leopard 1 - high risk, high reward, it has magazine and good speed to spot - tactics from batchat, this tank right now is like leopard 1 and bc 25t in one, +it has that SPECIAL MAGAZINE... far more effective and annoying than both of these tanks

ember basin Dec 17, 2019, 8:01 AM

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With a nerf it won't even be worth playing. Just like everything else that gets nerfed.

naive ibex Dec 17, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Yeah... this is tank that required some skill to play it well, but... right now this is like in foch 155: when it will be in your team, u will get more chances to win battle in that cases, these tanks right now are real gamechangers, the worst think in nerfing these gamechanging tanks is that this is very hard to do that, to make them more balanced, AND to not kill them (like in charioteer, real legend, but only in one update... and then rip, nobody plays it)

remote oriole Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Reasoning that a nerf of any kind is a reason to not play any tank is void of logic

#devs-answers

supple jolt Dec 17, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Where are people getting the sources for the Foch, 215b and progetto nerfs?
Ok thx ^

gusty geyser Dec 17, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Buff grille XD

austere moat Dec 17, 2019, 8:29 AM

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its getting buffed, sir. Give me a min to find the exact wording

Cancel that, #devs-answers gives it all

naive ibex Dec 17, 2019, 8:31 AM

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yeah... grille will get finnally very very useful buff, normally it is somewhat balanced.. but that bad camo destroying it completly... that only think... c a m o, last key for grille to success, but how much, this will decide about grille statistics

ember basin Dec 17, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Not void of logic at all. If something is made broken, then there's no use trying to make it work. I'll go play something like T22, AMX 30b, or STB. Which is sad, because none of those are near as fun as Progetto. This is really the only nerf I'm not happy about, because Progetto is already hanging in only by a thread. Oh, and saying if you have a Foch on your team increases your chance to win, then obviously you've never played on Asia server. NOTHING increases your chance of winning if the player doesn't know how to use their tank, which is like 90% of cases right now (with any tank). I've seen Foch get destroyed by a t9 light more times than I can count. It's all about the player, not the tank.

remote oriole Dec 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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I was talking about it in a general fashion for an undefined nerf that is unknown for any given tank, and from that you cannot conclude that a tank will be broken and especially not that one shouldn’t play it anymore

teal frigate Dec 17, 2019, 10:52 AM

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I think that the FV215B183 should be brought back to its former glory when it had 152mm front hull and turret armor, better accuracy, better concealment and mobility like it had before, but they should replace HESH with APCR or HEAT with around 380 pen and decrease AP pen to 300.

coarse harness Dec 17, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Or just decrease the HESH dmg to 1100 just like on the Conway and give it some engine power in return

cunning kindle Dec 17, 2019, 10:58 AM

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~~Or u kno, just remove it~~

coarse harness Dec 17, 2019, 11:09 AM

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I wouldn't mind that for a generous compensation🤷🏻‍♂️

celest pewter Dec 17, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Who her knows how to side-scrap on W.O.T???

visual lance Dec 17, 2019, 11:15 AM

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i'm sure people will disagreed about that @teal frigate

unique scaffold Dec 17, 2019, 11:45 AM

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finally 121B will get some love next patch... they buff all teir x meds except 121B.

modest cedar Dec 17, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Ran into my first Sheridan. He didn't last very long.

iron lynx Dec 17, 2019, 12:12 PM

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@celest pewter

📎 IMG_20190816_222419.jpg

humble spear Dec 17, 2019, 12:25 PM

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10/10

unique scaffold Dec 17, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Future adjustments:
121B - rate of fire buff;
Grille 15 - concealment after shot buff;
FV215B - HP storage nerf;
Foch 155 - damage per shot nerf and rate of fire buff;
Progetto 65 - dynamics, accuracy, aiming and stabilization nerf;
Standard B - accuracy and stabilization nerf. (I support changes)

naive ibex Dec 17, 2019, 2:04 PM

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after minding about the foch nerf, that won't be nerf, this is just rework to even make this td even more broken... bruh

coarse harness Dec 17, 2019, 2:12 PM

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You don't even know exact numbers but you are already complaining

unique scaffold Dec 17, 2019, 2:13 PM

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FV215B is already terrible except for high firepower and then it gets nerfed

humble spear Dec 17, 2019, 2:14 PM

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wdym the fv215b is a really strong tank rn, and it even has the dumb consumables

regal grove Dec 17, 2019, 2:16 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 3

fallen coral Dec 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Why KV1 is again modified ? PLease WG put to KV1 the armor values of the historical KV1. Flank armor datas are not historically correct.

mellow cape Dec 17, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Whats funny is FV215B wasnt touched, just got the OP consumables and now its being nerfed because of it

Instead of nerfing the consumables or removing them ideally, wargaming is nerfing the tank

naive ibex Dec 17, 2019, 2:22 PM

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@coarse harness Numbers... but i know how they propably rework that foch's gun (idk just minding), foch... with 2 shells magazine dealing 560 dmg... they said that it will get better reload, propably beetween shells... when they do that, foch will be a lot easier and even a lot more dangerous than foch before rework of this gun... right now, foch deals 640 dmg, 2 times cuz magazine... but... it has somewhat blockade to be more broken and agressive... yes... this reload beetwen shells (7 sec) when they reduce it too much, this will be far more agressive and sneaky at gamestyle, soo, the only think that can not making foch more op is only full reload magazine buff (with that 560 alpha dmg)(but... it propably needs that very very slighty better reload beetween shells, i think that 5-6 sec would be enough, nothing below)

thick rover Dec 17, 2019, 3:19 PM

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@mellow cape I can only agree fully with you

indigo knot Dec 17, 2019, 3:28 PM

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@mellow cape WG does have a habit of messing up and when things get out of hand then come to realisation
Spare parts saga and timers was also a mess up which they understood later on and reverted it
They should listen to veterans .....it not like we want to destroy the game
They did the survey and voting was done I personally think that many players who voted are not in a habit of using provisions regularly....they cost much credits if you don't have premium account....I remember trying to use them when I started the game and used too much silver back when I didn't have any premium tank or premium time...instead of doing a discord survey they should conduct in game survey of players having 5k or more battles and ask their opinions on this matter

drowsy plaza Dec 17, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Asking any survey here is never going to get decent info. @indigo knot to me consumables should be tested and validated the same way new tanks are. Of course it would not work in ‘normal’ tanks on live server, so WG would need to create variants of all the tech tree tanks for testers to test new consumables. Have each tester run 100 games in the tech tree tank and then 100 games in the tech tree* tank with consumables and see how they affect results. Right now the vast majority of the 55-65% ‘balance’ players use high end consumables - including a number of the ‘super consumables’ so it skews results - and as we see from the 215b nerf that tanks are being hit due to those consumables.

fierce lantern Dec 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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KV-2’s RNG is fcked up, it can now ammorack easy and i think it’s a problem cause it can also hit targets easier when moving now.

night grail Dec 17, 2019, 8:48 PM

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KV-2 is a completely balanced tank. @fierce lantern
The KV-2 RNG is no different to other tanks.
It is a big target with virtually any tank it encounters it will be penetrated by.
Long time to reload. + Long aiming time.

I would get why you would assume it is OP. It has high potential but it is only when it’s in the right hands, but then again you can say the same with other tanks.

distant river Dec 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Yes 640 alpha at tier 6 is completely balanced, not forgetting the 960 HE alpha with good pen especially at that tier. It's not like it has a better gun than tier 8s and 9s at all and it should definitely stay in the game and not be removed and all memory of that failure removed from existence 🤦‍♀️

mellow cape Dec 17, 2019, 9:01 PM

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KV-2 is not balanced, its unbalanced and underpowered at the same time.

Derp guns are impossible to balance in a 7v7, the ability to instantly take away one person from a 7v7 by just luck alone is unbalanced and the tanks other poor stats (long reload, poor accuracy, long aim time, not great pen) can't balance it out.

remote oriole Dec 17, 2019, 9:02 PM

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KV-2 is a tank balanced by focus fire at most, and not by the tank stats

wraith lance Dec 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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@distant river The only good thing about the KV2 is the alpha, literally everything else is garbage

nimble zodiac Dec 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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The pen is okay, and the HE still works wonders

distant river Dec 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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@remote oriole If it is balanced by something as "reliable" as teams then it is unbalancable

@wraith lance It has dpm as well, and it is still played by way too many people. For some people it's op and for some it's awful. This is because you cannot balance 640 alpha at tier 6 let alone 960 alpha

wraith lance Dec 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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So it has good alpha and good dpm, but still, every other aspect is horrible. It's literally a hit or miss tank

distant river Dec 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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And that's what makes it unbalancable 🤦‍♀️

acoustic shard Dec 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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In what Dimention does it take an intire team to kill 1 kv-2?

night grail Dec 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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The dimension where Stalin is driving the KV 2 and the opposing players forgotten about the button that allows them to shoot @acoustic shard

charred bobcat Dec 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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KV2 is a joke. It doesn't matter if it has a ridiculous reload or has a big bloom. The fact that it can one shot over half the tanks at that tier pretty often makes it unbalanced.
Imagine that concept being at tier 10 in the form of a 183. With 2000 HESH alpha, would you consider it balanced even if it had say a 40-60 second reload?

distant river Dec 17, 2019, 10:00 PM

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^ it is impossible to balance, that's why half the playerbase is complaining about how op it is and the other half is complaining about how bad it is. It just needa the 152 removed and then swapping out of the tech tree for the T-150

round sundial Dec 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Yeah, idk why it hasn't been made collector instead of T150 in the first place. T150 fits the line theme so much better and KV2 fits the collector theme better. But the truth is, the tank is quite garbage rn but still annoying to play against. One of the mods here calls it the WoTB slot machine, and it is quite fitting indeed

wraith lance Dec 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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IIRC WG said they didn't remove the KV2 because it was 'sUcH a pOpUlAr tAnk', which IMO is a pretty lame reason

acoustic shard Dec 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

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No it make's perfect sense. All the other
tech tree collectors were tanks that that no one really played in the first place like the t150. Or the kv-13.

gloomy dragon Dec 17, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Hey, i played those regularly. They're pretty dang good if you know what youre doing and how to make use of the armor on them

drowsy plaza Dec 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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KV-13 was OPAF

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The ace bar on it was broken crazy

gloomy dragon Dec 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Dont remind me of that. The ace chase when i actively tried took a while.

drowsy plaza Dec 17, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Yup

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I probably should not post screenshots and then yell at others who do it. 😇

night grail Dec 17, 2019, 10:44 PM

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About the KV 2 discussion I will say, that if it is nerfed/buffed in any way, shape, or form, it will anger half of the community. As a KV 2 lover myself, I spend my time and effort to make my kv 2 as deadly as possible (gold rounds, gun enhancements, crew etc.) and to see that beauty being nerfed to the ground or removed will make me want to quit this game. I played as other tanks against it, it’s biggest weakness is that it is an enormous target that can be penetrated and also hunted down easily if it exposes himself too much. This is why the KV 2 shouldn’t be touched as to make the community happy and not in open hatred to this discussion.

distant river Dec 17, 2019, 10:54 PM

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If you are a lover of the KV2 then you leaving the game will make tier 6 better 🤷‍♀️
If it removes the part of the playerbase that like camping, doing one shot of damage and dying while depending on rng to do well then the playerbase will improve...

wraith lance Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 PM

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People would just switch to the next highest alpha tank, you are very naive if you think removing the KV2 would do something significant @distant river

distant river Dec 17, 2019, 11:23 PM

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@night grail You think I play tier 6 or that I can't easily take out a KV2? 🤦‍♀️

@wraith lance The SU100Y is much more balanced than the KV2 and it would make a pretty big difference, especially at tier 6 seeing as it's a prem. After that it's the KV-1S which is also much more balanced and can't 1 shot tanks and actually needs skill

drowsy plaza Dec 17, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Any large alpha gun has balancing issues in Blitz, the KV-2, the 183, the T49, the old T82 😉 The KV-2 and SU-100Y are unique however as they can one shot (no ammo rack) tanks in tier -- the 183 can't - nor can any of the others. I mean look what happened to the 183 now. I mean the Smasher is OPAF - but it is somewhat balanced by it doesn't see tier 5, and often sees tier 8. The biggest issue I see with the KV-2 now, is it is really the first tech tree DERP that new players run into.

night grail Dec 17, 2019, 11:37 PM

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KV-1S : 390 Alpha = Balanced
KV 2 : 545/640 AP Alpha + Longer aim, reload etc. = Balanced
HE rounds can be used but then again it’s HE rounds. It’s only for paper thin targets.
Where is the anomaly? @distant river

wraith lance Dec 17, 2019, 11:38 PM

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The KV2 has a lot of HE pen for what it is, the whole 'only for thin targets' thing doesnt really apply. For instance, it can pen the front of a KV1S with HE @night grail

celest pewter Dec 17, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Reference

distant river Dec 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

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@night grail KV-1S has 400 alpha so nice job, and 640 alpha is more than 50% extra on top, and 960 is almost 150% more. 76mm of pen at tier 6 is more than enough for meds and the sides of quite a few heavies and TDs.

@wraith lance Removing the 152mm gun when making it a collector would solve the problem. The SU152 is much more balanced because it is a tier 7 but I still think that the alpha is too high and I would like to see it nerfed to the kpfs alpha

night grail Dec 18, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Then again, what’s the disadvantage of a big lumpy gun? Everything except the high alpha. Take British FV215b 183 for e.g. It can take away 60-70% of health from a normal T10 vehicle. KV 2 is mostly the same as with AP you can take away atleast 70%. I can say the same thing for both tanks with HE shells. @distant river

distant river Dec 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Lmao so you are trying to say the KV2 is balancable because the 183 is balancable 😂
Both of them don't belong in blitz and the sooner they are removed the better tier 6 and 10 will be (and tier 5, 7 and 9)

charred bobcat Dec 18, 2019, 12:51 AM

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@night grail Lol no, you're completely stretching the truth. The 183's AP has 930 alpha, which is ~40-50% of a tier 10, while the HESH has 1300 alpha, ~55-70%. Generally the players at tier 10 are more aware and play better, but yet it was one of the most complained about tank prior to the nerf.
Meanwhile the KV-2 eliminates 50-70% of a tier 6 with AP and 100% with HE. Oh gotta mention that tier 6 is filled with lightly armored tanks and way less skilled players that are new to the game.
And it's the RNG factor that's the most annoying. You roll a dice for a chance to one shot a new player. Yeah, sure. Balanced.

scenic hound Dec 18, 2019, 1:17 AM

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@charred bobcat
And forget about tier 5

quick dock Dec 18, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I've yet to find a game where a KV2 is the sole survivor. I'm always happy when I see one if those in red team. So meaty to shoot at, so fun to play peek-a-boo with.

drifting depot Dec 18, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Everyone is complaining about the kv2 being able to one shot BUT remember the rng part? Yeeeee it basically means that unless you fight it on reeeaaally close range it would have to be just as lucky as any other tank to hit you, it is somewhat balanced imo, why? Well the only good thing it has goin for it is the high alpha and the one shot factor, then you have the most unreliable gun in the entire game low shell velocity bad pen even the he shell pen was nerfed the longest reload in the entire game and so on ._. The armor isn't as reliable as with the kv1 either, for a heavy that's quite low unless you don't aim and keep hitting places like the mantlet it shouldn't bounce

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 3:32 AM

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KV-2 is a RNG slot machine and that is the problem with it. It doesn't take any skill at all to mash the fire button and hope that RNGesus lands a one shot kill on some more medium across the map. That is the problem with the tank. It appeals to players who can't do damage in a normal tank so they have to depend on lady luck landing a one shot kill to some poor schmuck. It is a bad mechanic to have in the game. It creates bad habits in both the players who use it and the players who fight against it. Even worse it does this at a tier where players are at their most impressionable. I get why it appeals to players but any unbiased observer should be able to see why it is bad for the game as a whole.

thick rover Dec 18, 2019, 3:34 AM

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So....swap for T-150?

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 3:34 AM

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It should have been nerfed and made a collector. The 150 makes much more sense in the tech tree.

austere moat Dec 18, 2019, 3:36 AM

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^^

karmic steeple Dec 18, 2019, 4:39 AM

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We all know why they kept the kv2 and not the t150.........

heady acorn Dec 18, 2019, 5:44 AM

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If the kv2 is balanced then what is smasher? They ddint remove the KV2 cause it would be very controversial because it's such a icon. It's like Gaijin removing the Maus,ppl will think it's dumb and they'll leave,decreasing potential profits for Gaijin. War gaming needs a specified tutorial on how to counter the kv2 and maybe it would be less influential in a battle.

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 5:57 AM

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The kv2 on paper has garbage stats and is clearly a garbage tank and if it is that bad then tell me whats the attraction that leads players to defend it? Surely a tank so horrible wouldnt have a loyal fanbase unless it wasnt balanced unlike some other vehicles also seen as godlike

storm hatch Dec 18, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Memes, that why ^^

flat bane Dec 18, 2019, 6:17 AM

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The memes aren't even funny tbh

storm hatch Dec 18, 2019, 6:18 AM

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It’s does give me a good laugh when I one shot leopards

latent wyvern Dec 18, 2019, 6:49 AM

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High alpha tanks will always make you watch your step before yoloing or peaking around the corner. Unexperienced players have to feel the pain of getting hit by a kv2-shell whenever they drive thoughtless.😉

still kelp Dec 18, 2019, 7:07 AM

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I find kv2 actually very well balanced.and extremely fun to play.like everytime I feel game get boring,I play the kv2.this tank is very powerfull and in the same time very horrible.somtime it more like RNG tank.but I can admit that HE shell are way to damaging.even heavy tanks are not safe from it

cunning kindle Dec 18, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Its funny how players try to justify kv2s one shot ability, "they shud be punished" lmao yea getting punished by being destoyed in one shot from a long distance (prolly from a corner ) so that these players will also now sit in spawn with a big gun

But it does happen doesnt it? One shotting tanks shudnt be thing anyways, like a jag or 183 r better in this respect as they atleast leave u with some hp left after the so called "punishment"
And i m not talking abt how good the tank is, i m just talking abt the one shot ability and how it shudnt be present in the game no matter how rare these shots hit @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 7:24 AM

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@cunning kindle it happens way too seldom to even be taken in consideration, let's be real here, KV2 is not that big of a threat like it used to be, an ARL or a M6 are far far better in every situation if we r talking strong heavies. That is sooooo stereotypical i really can't trust a thing u are saying.

cunning kindle Dec 18, 2019, 7:30 AM

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And it doesn't happen rarely, i remember playing tier 6, quite a while ago and the kv2 platoons r the most toxic ones, they'll one shot tanks from spawn and just spam global chat with "ez" etc, they'll yolo one tank if their team is losing and they r in a 2v7 or 2v6 and just one shot a tank each and its really annoying
They ruin the newer players experience is what i m trying to say coz most new players dont know abt HE and that they can be one shotted
Well i havent played tier 6 for quite some time so i mite be wrong now abt the platoon thing coz wg did introduce some equipment (??) @unique scaffold

still kelp Dec 18, 2019, 7:37 AM

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my only tier 6 tank is kv2,and tbh is not that good as you thing, yesterday I only win 1 game of 5 game. because of the horrible aiming of this tank and also the new equipment make tanks get harder to pen with HE shell.
I dont understand why people's complaints about this tank.a skilled players will easily outplayed the kv2 with other tank. but tbh camp with kv2 is the most toxic thing I ever heard 😂 also new player will learn they lesson to not come infront of this tank and yolo around anymore.the only problem I found with kv2 is the HE damage. it so stupid to even be able to kill heavy tank in shooting infront of it.( but It get really harder because of the new equipment)
maybe they should make some changes in MM and make kv2 only face tier 6 and 7. because tier5 are so dead infront of this massive gun kv2 got

distant river Dec 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I love how everyone trying to argue that the KV-2 is balanced is literally proving themselves wrong 😂

If it is sometimes great and sometimes awful, and you do badly in it but you can do stupid things in it then it is clearly unbalancable 🤦‍♀️

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 8:04 AM

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so, if a tank is unbalancable, doing great sometimes and awful other times, that means that the tank should be removed? Game is based on RNG so i really cannot see any issues with the thing

still kelp Dec 18, 2019, 8:04 AM

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but nobody gonna use kv2 as tournaments tank.so it defenlty not great tank otherwise serious team would use it
also new player should learn how to deal with this and other tank in future they gonna see. I so many player pop around the corner when they know there is kv2 aiming there.why you do that? what are you really expecting to happen?ofc you gonna get rekt in medium or light tank. they will learn to dont pop around corner when they know there is tank that literally can destroy they tank.

distant river Dec 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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@unique scaffold Why should a tank not be removed if it's unbalancable?

New players will learn to not be aggressive at all and camp all game because they are afraid if some standard KV2 driver camping spawn and waiting for someone to try and make the game interesting. This makes them overly cautious at higher tiers which leads to the campfest that is tier 10 which isn't what this game should be. @still kelp

hot sun Dec 18, 2019, 8:25 AM

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The only issue with the kv2 is mostly its HE shell. If WG doesnt nerf that, the only alternatives I see is increasing percentage of the module that reduces HE damage from 130mm and higher guns. (Or add a provision that adds to the current 10% HE reduction). Cause if they did that, players who refuse to use HE reduction equipment deserve to get derped

nimble zodiac Dec 18, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Actually I commonly destroy enemies in tournaments with KV-2 when we “meme” them... it’s... kind of scary...

distant river Dec 18, 2019, 8:34 AM

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There shouldn't have to be different equipment for 2 entire tiers just because of 1 broken tank, all it needs is for the KV-2 to be taken out of the tech tree, the 152 removed and then the T-150 put in its place. It's not a hard fix and if it gets rid of people who teach bad habits to new players then the game is going to benefit a lot

drifting depot Dec 18, 2019, 8:45 AM

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You know, to begin with the 152 is literally the main gun of a real life kv2, and if you remove it it's kinda like tearing away your own leg and trying to walk so removing it it's quite a dumb argument, and putting the t-150 in........ we all know why it was removed to begin with, it's basically a tier 6 kv4 that can't even be penned..... noobs would just STORM it and same would be for seal clubbers, if the kv2 gets removed from the tech tree then I don't think it's a good idea to put in the 150 there

nimble zodiac Dec 18, 2019, 8:48 AM

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T-150 never had godlike armor, it’s good but not exploitable. It could replace KV-2 and get armor nerfs, just part of the playerbase would wanna stick with the KV-2.

formal scarab Dec 18, 2019, 9:02 AM

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The announced Foch 155 Nerf is absolutely stupid. They will not target the problem once again. The problem is the dpm of the autoloader. They just have to nerf the clip reload. Why do they have to do retarded stuff like nerfing the alpha and actually buffing the rof?! Another nerf that doesnt nerf anything but just makes things weird

hot sun Dec 18, 2019, 9:03 AM

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The kv2 has been around for a long long while. Players learn to deal with it. Imo, yes the kv2 is like the 183, it can take huge amounts of hp from tanks with one shot. But the kv2 is vastly popular among the player base, taking out the kv2 could lead to consequences that are negative for wg. The kv2 does teach players to not poke and conserve hp. And after awhile players learn that once a kv2 fires, it's free damage. If players cant learn to deal with a kv after a couple hundred mid tier battles(such as baiting shots, cod, or just outspotting them) they deserve to get derped when they sit idly in front of it. RNG shots do happen, but they happen literally with every tank. Take chinese mediums who have awful on the move bloom, they can still snap shot and hit targets across the map here and there, same as kv, and 183 and every other tank.

sweet prism Dec 18, 2019, 9:29 AM

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I don't understand why people have no problem with su 100y. It has too good mobility for it's size, and a decent accurate gun that can hit reliably; unlike kv2. Not to mention russian troll armour.

hot sun Dec 18, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Not to mention its AP+ shells do hella modular damage 👀

still kelp Dec 18, 2019, 9:40 AM

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@distant river because kv2 is actually balanced.ik there is thing that this tank need some luck to work and do wonder,but the fact that the only good thing about this tank is the alpha damage and that it,nothing else. tbh for me kv2 is the last thing I will be worry about it. because it just not good tank at all,not to mention how horrible is it in term of aiming. you got the point that this tank is do to much damage. but it only can do that to light and some medium tank. if it was for all tank.then sure it should be nerf.but with new nerf and equipment,I not worry about enemy kv2 anymore.as long as I play like real light or medium,I should be fine and manage to kill the kv2 with out problems.also I dont really see to many kv2 in battle. I mostly see the new buffed vk and kv1s or vk28 or su100
but!if I want be honest. they should nerf the damage on he shell.it way to much specially in tier 5 is way to broken.other then that.it balanced tank,although I dont think it be possible to really balance a derpy tank

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Because hitting battle in the KV-2 then parking in the corner near spawn, one shotting lower or same tier tanks, typing EZ or JAJAJAJA over global, all while wiping Cheeto crumbs off of your favorite Minecraft t-shirt is hard.

thick rover Dec 18, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Same

quick dock Dec 18, 2019, 10:11 AM

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@sweet prism do you think the size alone works in it's favor? The bloody thing can't hide, has awful gun depression, and is FLAT.

full token Dec 18, 2019, 10:16 AM

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It has 7 degrees of depression which is not really that bad

formal vale Dec 18, 2019, 10:53 AM

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I'm curious about what the alpha damage nerf for the Foch 155 would entail. Would it just keep the 155mm gun and just have 560 alpha like the Kpz-70 and T49? Or would it be receiving a 120mm gun with 400 average damage per shot? Either seems interesting to me, but the 120mm option seems the most interesting. Seeing a TD with a 3 or 4 shot 120mm auto-loader would be very cool indeed.

cinder gyro Dec 18, 2019, 10:54 AM

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For me it is sad that people dont get that when u play derp tanks players become more situationaly aware as they know they are playing high risk high reward tank and kv 2 in my eyes is the best example as having about 22 seconds can easily get u rushed and killed but no people are bad/dump/braindead and drive their tanks carelessly in the opend where kv 2 can get nice shots and how is camping in corner a problem as u can outspot the best refrigerator unit. (C mon people gun has bad accuracy and muzzle velocity and its a miracle when u hit something at longer range)

cunning kindle Dec 18, 2019, 11:39 AM

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@unique scaffold literally what i said and i got "i dont trust a word u r saying"
Kv2 players fun comes from ruining others games in one shot

tulip imp Dec 18, 2019, 11:45 AM

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^^^ hmm same applies to noobs in their TDs and mt25 sniping at the back of the map. No one is stupid enough to snipe in a kv2, thing couldn't hit something 200m away unless WG hates the guy ur aiming at😂🤣

pine junco Dec 18, 2019, 11:48 AM

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The KPz probably won't get ATGMs, at least its Shilelaghs, which is slightly disheartening for a fan of the actual tank in WG Rd where the thing is the most fun to field due to its dual type of shot dynamic, considering if they add the Shilelaghs to the KPz, that would mean adding the AT-8 Sagger to the T-62A, meaning that you have an already good tank get a nice advantage over literally almost every tier X med, unless ofc Weegee decides to add the M60 Starship (slightly better 152 on it than the T49's and can launched ATGMs), plus I think ATGMs should have a hefty price per use

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 12:08 PM

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@tulip imp I see KV-2's sniping in most matches where a KV-2 is present. Generally speaking the KV-2 appeals the the worst type of players. Players who don't want to put any thought into how they play. They just want to mash the fire button and do damage. No thought, no tactics, just dErP. As I've said before, I can see why players like the KV-2. I cannot see how any objective thinker can defend it or think it is good for the overall health of the game.

tulip imp Dec 18, 2019, 12:13 PM

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I see where you're coming from, but I don't think the KV-2 deserves another HE nerf other players think it needs, but rather a dispersion nerf. In the frontline, the kv2 requires much more skill than simply using two fingers to aim and shoot.

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 12:16 PM

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I don't think it should still be on the tech tree.

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And no it really doesn't. There is a reason you see players who have thousands of battles in the KV-2...and it isn't because of the "skill" that it takes to play it.

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@pine junco you need to watch your language here.

latent wyvern Dec 18, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Low tier tanks are supposed to be easy to understand ofc you don't need that much skill 🤦

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 12:30 PM

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There is easy to understand and then there is directions that phonetically spell it out with pictures. The KV-2 is the second of those.

Playing a Easy 8 well takes a understanding of the game. Playing the KV-2 well takes sitting still and hoping RNGesus lands your shot.

latent wyvern Dec 18, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Nearly every russian gun below T7 is luck-based, so where is the problem?
And yeah, you can still fully aim and go frontline to make sure that big shell hits..

cinder gyro Dec 18, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Kv 2 used to be a fun sidetank to get befour 5.5 and it is funny to see that there are individuals who dont want it in the game and thoes same individuals pribably just go out in the open and get close to the thing (like kv2 weaknesses are range and hard cover learn to use them)

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 12:43 PM

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The other Russian guns don't even come close to the 152mm on KV-2 for being RNG dependent. You may like the tank but I don't see how anyone can defend its existence in the game. It is there because it appeals to a certain type of player. This is one of those instances where WG went with making a certain subsect of player happy over the health of the game. They have said just as much when asked why the T-150 was removed in 5.5 instead of the KV-2. The KV-2 teaches bad habits to those who play it and those who play against it. A tank that can one shot a same tier tank creates a stagnant gameplay environment and honestly has no place in a game called Blitz.

remote oriole Dec 18, 2019, 12:50 PM

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⏫ The reason why arty on PC didn't prevent camping, but enforced it

latent wyvern Dec 18, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Health of the game lmao. Newbies are rushing thru the the lines to get their tier X tanks as fast as possible, tanks like Smasher are being sold and we're discussing the same topic again and again.

fiery turtle Dec 18, 2019, 12:55 PM

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WG shouldn't have given the Jagdtiger 8,8 the 10.5 cm gun - big mistake. Took away the character of the tank as well as making its name silly.

All the Jagdtiger 8,8 needed was an extra 3 rounds per minute on the 8,8 cm gun. That would have made its DPM on AP almost as high as the Tier 9 Jagdtiger's! Even shooting prammo (to make up for the weak 203 mm AP pen) its DPM would still have been higher than the AT 15's on AP! That would have been awesome!

Then WG should have given the 10.5 cm gun only to the Snowstorm Jagdtiger, thereby making it different and special from the Jagdtiger 8,8.

wraith lance Dec 18, 2019, 12:56 PM

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That would have been OP, though

round sundial Dec 18, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Yeah, it'd be so much fun to fire 203mm pen AP shots in such a slow tank. Maybe, just maybe if the standart ammo was the APCR, and it had a higher pen pramo, but the 8.8 is very much useless no matter the DPM

pine junco Dec 18, 2019, 1:02 PM

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@unique scaffold sorry bout that, didn't know, anyway, I think tbh that the KV-2 is literally just sit still and don't worry about anything by hiding in a bush is what turned it off for me, I decided I wanted the IS and not the big bad box with a 152 is cause the IS offers more dynamic gameplay than any of the KV-2's line until the IS-4 which from your complacency, you're forced to actually do something other than wait in a corner, the other 152 tanks, such as the ISU-152, SU-152, T49 and KPz feel better to use since you have to get up and do something, the ISU and SU are TDs so it's understandable for the sit still and snipe gameplay, the KPz feels at home as support tank since you have slow reload butt compensate for the really, really comfortable turret armor, the T49 is that tank that lives on motion, and is the most dynamic to play, since its a light, you have to keep moving or your dead, the KV-2 is just a big turnoff to me since half the ppl that play it get their enjoyment from blapping unsuspecting ppl that come out into the open

fiery turtle Dec 18, 2019, 1:05 PM

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@round sundial : What? The Jagdtiger 8,8 isn't slow! It's almost twice as fast as the AT 15! 38 kph compared to 20 kph!

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 1:09 PM

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So because there are some other aspects of the game that could be better we should ignore and not discuss others. That's like a doctor saying you have a broken arm so we aren't going to fix your hangnail.

humble spear Dec 18, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Except the AT-15 is incredibly slow, so the jagdtiger 88 is slow

round sundial Dec 18, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Yeah, like that ever matters. It has very bad p/w, it's slower than a Ferdinand. That does make it a slow tank @fiery turtle E: Another slow tank doesn't make the Jgtiger fast. Fast means not only top speed, but also it's acceleration and with a TD, traverse is also very important. Jgtiger has neither the accel nor the traverse of a fast tank @drowsy plaza E2: Caern ? That tank sticks to it's top speed like a glue when going forward. And it's quite nimble overall, it's just the top speed. And I never mentioned it's a fast or anything

drowsy plaza Dec 18, 2019, 1:31 PM

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T28 says you don’t know what slow is, because while it’s got the same top speed as the AT15 it has worse traverse. The JT 8.8 goes 38kph the T28 and AT15 go 20...

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The JT8.8 is faster than the Caernarvon...

turbid smelt Dec 18, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Buff idea for Fv 215B 183:
turrent cheeks buff from 76mm to 120mm
Front upper plate buff from 127mm to 140mm
basically making it bad Jg Pz E100, with mediocre hulldown ability.
No changes to lower plate or turrent top weakspots

indigo knot Dec 18, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Well if KV2 is toxic for the game then T49 should also be considered in the same category
Well it does take 80% of HP of same tier while getting some perks of mobility camo and better gun than KV2

sharp dock Dec 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Why is no one talking about how the Grille is finally getting a buff?

nocturne mauve Dec 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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@indigo knot one can one shot, one cannot. There’s a difference

unique scaffold Dec 18, 2019, 2:56 PM

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KV-2 and T49 aren't even remotely the same.

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Please tell me the same tier tank that the T49 can one shot. I'll wait.

karmic steeple Dec 18, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I would argue the su152 is in the same category as the kv2. It doesn’t need the 152mm and the game doesn’t need one shots

turbid smelt Dec 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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I welcome the Grille buff, would be more interested in by how much it is getting buffed.

pine junco Dec 18, 2019, 3:47 PM

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@karmic steeple the SU-152 is meant for the 152mm, its literly in the name, it would mean replacing the SU-122-44 as the one on the tree and the 152 as a premium, which nobody would want considering that the 122-44 even with all the nerfs has a nerve wracking 2.9k DPM, higher then the 152's 2.5k DPM at the expense of lower HE Damage but more powerful normal shot pen

nocturne mauve Dec 18, 2019, 3:47 PM

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No balance changes this update?!

remote oriole Dec 18, 2019, 3:48 PM

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T-62A, Leopard 1 and some tier I to IV vehicles

turbid smelt Dec 18, 2019, 3:49 PM

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@nocturne mauve T62 got more gun depression, Leo 1 got more dpm, many lower tier tanks got better stuff

gusty geyser Dec 18, 2019, 3:54 PM

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UWU kv2

remove kv 2 please

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iron hearth Dec 18, 2019, 6:48 PM

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the skorp it's huge, this is why

orchid grove Dec 18, 2019, 7:00 PM

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@dull stone Skorpion has a turret, and more alpha, which are pretty huge differences

iron hearth Dec 18, 2019, 7:02 PM

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the accuracy of the gun is superior too. i have both tanks and i definetely prefer the skorp over the wz , i would say the skorp in the hands of a good player can do some really crazy stuff , the wz is more of a noob proof tank

orchid grove Dec 18, 2019, 7:46 PM

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@dull stone You don’t understand what the turret is for then. The turret gives the Skorpion all kinds of flexibility that the WZ doesn’t have. You can peek bushes much quicker, you can fire on the move, you can play hulldown, you can circle other TDs, you can angle the hull down over one side to get gun depression, etc..

And the alpha difference is huge. Firstly, the DPM difference is pretty marginal. And the alpha difference means that the Skorpion only has to expose once every 9.7s as opposed to 7.27s on the WZ. This is important because camo will reset for the Skorpion basically the moment it’s ready to fire whereas it doesn’t on the WZ. Also, higher alpha means that the Skorpion will punish careless peeks far harder than the wz.

In Blitz, when it comes to sniping, the alpha on the Skorpion is just more important than the camo on the WZ. The Skorpion can peek after its camo has reset, snap off the shot before the enemy can notice, and duck back far faster than the WZ

viscid blade Dec 18, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Yes

formal scarab Dec 18, 2019, 10:19 PM

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@dull stone look at the wz. This thing is as low to the ground like an E25

low crypt Dec 18, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Gosh i hope the standard B nerf isn't going to have 400 dispersion...

regal grove Dec 18, 2019, 11:32 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 4

main tulip Dec 19, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Will Skorpion be available in auction

mortal granite Dec 19, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Funny how su 101 is forgettable to many players but its really good just needs a dpm buff or maybe some armor

humble spear Dec 19, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Is really good and needs a buff? That means it's not that good

nimble zodiac Dec 19, 2019, 2:00 AM

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The Maus is really good, it just needs an armor buff -_-

mortal granite Dec 19, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Compared to a Jpanther II its worse in the gun department but better in the mobile department yet that doesn't end up mattering when ur getting out gunned and even overshadowed by the ISU 152. Give su 101 10mm more of armor and 10 sec reload with all consumables being in place instead of its current 10.9 sec reload maxed and you have a nice fast assault tank that can roll with the mediums

main tulip Dec 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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AMX AC 48 could use a bit of a buff as well

visual lance Dec 19, 2019, 2:05 AM

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VK 72 01 K need armor sides buff and obj 263 buff hit points

main tulip Dec 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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This chat is so dead because of the 10 minutes slowmode

mortal granite Dec 19, 2019, 2:41 AM

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@main tulip yeah tho I agree that the amx AC 48 needs a buff probably to the dpm cuz the reload takes a while compared to other Tier 8 TDS

frigid basin Dec 19, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Nerf black prince frontal armor? I know its a tier 7 heavy but the mt25 cant even pen it from the front, not even with apcr, not even anywhere on the front

orchid grove Dec 19, 2019, 3:04 AM

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SU 101 is pretty horrific honestly. Rear mounted gun with terrible gun arc and gun depression is a recipe for disaster. Tack on worst in class DPM, lackluster gun handling/accuracy, and a low HP pool, and you have the worst TD at tier 8

humble spear Dec 19, 2019, 3:05 AM

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a tier 6 light tank is not supposed to pen a tier 7 heavy from the front, lol

Edit as a response: Btw, just because you managed to ace a tank a few times doesn't mean it's good. If I managed to ace a VK 72.01 K 5 times a day and did well in it, does that mean it's a really good tank?

mortal granite Dec 19, 2019, 3:08 AM

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@orchid grove then how do I find myself being very good in it to the point of having 3 masteries in it two in one day and one in the next playing it aggressively as a medium support

midnight fable Dec 19, 2019, 3:10 AM

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I do like to face SU 101 since it is easy to destroy...

quick dock Dec 19, 2019, 3:12 AM

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@frigid basin .....then get through the sides or back, omg... A light tank with a tiny gun can't pen one of the hardest armored heavy tank one tier up, mind blown.. smh..

orchid grove Dec 19, 2019, 3:16 AM

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@mortal granite Good personal performance != Good tank. I have the most damage per battle of all tier 8 meds in the T-34-2. That doesn't make it good though.

flat bane Dec 19, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Also my WR in T28 and T28 PROT are over 60% with really good average damage. Does that mean those tanks are OP? :00

mortal granite Dec 19, 2019, 3:27 AM

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@orchid grove I mean I won't deny that su 101 needs some fixes here and there that would improve the tank. tho WG cheated with the gun depression as it slightly clips through the tank and with the armor not being historically accurate which I don't mind that they did that.

hot snow Dec 19, 2019, 4:14 AM

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So im wondering why crew skills are affecting the reload between shells (fire 1 shell and loading 2nd) on the p44 pantera when the reloading function would be handled by mechanisms inside the turret... and NOT the crew?

orchid grove Dec 19, 2019, 4:15 AM

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@hot snow The crew is actually the ones loading shells into the magazine; the autoloading mechanism is responsible for slamming the shells into the breech. So the 3.0s interclip isn't affected by the crew mastery level, but the 3.1/3.55/6.65s reloads are

jolly pagoda Dec 19, 2019, 4:44 AM

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The tortoise needs a buff for the front armor is so horrible and it is very stressful to use

quick dock Dec 19, 2019, 4:56 AM

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@jolly pagoda it's quite trollish, from what I've seen by facing it. But yeah, it could use more buff.

jolly pagoda Dec 19, 2019, 5:03 AM

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The tank is more like a joke that your teammates think you are useless that how I feel all the the time starting to use the tank and just got it a couple weeks ago

cyan vine Dec 19, 2019, 5:20 AM

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@frigid basin

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Black prince is a “Heavy Tank” it’s not supposed to be penned up front by a light tank, the fact that an MT-25 can’t pen it is normal, because it’s a tier 6 light. I think the Black prince is great and needs to stay the same.

AMX AC 48 needs either a buff on this:
Cupola armor reinforcements
Or a 9.5-9.8 second reload

T62A needs a small Reload nerf, tbh.

Standard B and Progretto need fixing as well.

This chat only needs a 5 minute Slow-mode or less 10 minute just kills it.

west summit Dec 19, 2019, 6:44 AM

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where oes it say the grill is getting a buff? @turbid smelt

turbid smelt Dec 19, 2019, 6:45 AM

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they are planning to give it, not confirmed yet, in #devs-answers @west summit

dawn scarab Dec 19, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Hey, i think leopard is overpowered

keen shuttle Dec 19, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Which one

drifting depot Dec 19, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Tier 5 of course, would you expect one of the hardest tier 10 vehicles to use in the game to be overpowered? I think not

unique scaffold Dec 19, 2019, 9:25 AM

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121b become useless after wz121 buff and have the lowest WR of all teir x meds

WG: Ok let us buff t62a and Leo !!!

thick rover Dec 19, 2019, 9:30 AM

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@unique scaffold Um 121B is getting buffed

They have one of the worst winrate I Guess....I don’t agree with T62A buff but leo I’m fine

unique scaffold Dec 19, 2019, 9:35 AM

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@thick rover
It will not be buffed this patch may be in future ... but wz 121 buffed 2 time in 2 updates!!!! then they buffed stb1!!

also who asked for leo and t62a buff?!

turbid smelt Dec 19, 2019, 9:40 AM

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so 140 is going to get ATGM? or APHE or APFSDS? @coarse harness my reaction time is longer than dat

thick rover Dec 19, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Lol

coarse harness Dec 19, 2019, 9:44 AM

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The leo buff is just -0.2 sec reload
Not that game changing and well deserved imo

unique scaffold Dec 19, 2019, 10:04 AM

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@coarse harness
but why ..it is already balanced ...not o.2 sec ..the new reload time 5.5 or 5.6

round sundial Dec 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

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STB1 is still better than T62A change my mind. Also, with the buffs to the tanks, Foch, T62A, STB1, and some tanks being broken by default like T22, at this point it may be more realistic to simply buff the others to the level of the current tanks.. It's a bad way but it seems to be the way WG is going unfortunately

strong condor Dec 19, 2019, 10:27 AM

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Profit is more important than balance. Tbh it would be easy job to balance tier x but they dont do it, why? Because balance doesnt make money 😇

shut ruin Dec 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

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I finaly agree with some guys here: WG is pay to win. I made another account to see what I could do and got myself the KpfPz 70 the moment store unlocked. I wreak havoc on anybody and everybody

dark pike Dec 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

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confirmation bias?

unique scaffold Dec 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

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@shut ruin only because you have less than 5k matches so you get players with a little amount of battles. Otherwose you wouldn't have done that well

coarse harness Dec 19, 2019, 11:19 AM

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@unique scaffold you're a wizard then and tell me your secret

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indigo knot Dec 19, 2019, 11:54 AM

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@unique scaffold Leo1 had one of the lowest stats past 5 to 6 updates and buff given to it wasn't any major buff....and T62a also had one of the lowest stats both WR and Avg Dmg.....so that buff was also deserved

distant river Dec 19, 2019, 11:55 AM

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It needed a small buff but not 7° of depression, especially seeing at the 140 wasn't changed at all

true relic Dec 19, 2019, 11:59 AM

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i mean the 140 is like almost halfway on the mediums, and the 62a is dead last, and the 140 still has the better mobility and better angled hull so its not entirely bad with the 62a buff

distant river Dec 19, 2019, 12:07 PM

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140 only has 5kmph better top speed but worse acceleration so that cancels itself out, and the 140s much worse turret balances it's better hull armour. The only real difference before was the depression that favoured the 140 and made up for it not being able to hold hull down positions as well but that's changed now 🤷‍♀️

quick crown Dec 19, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Buff STA 1. It's gun is okay but the armour and speed makes it a very bad tank overall, would better if it had a armour or mobility buff to STA 1 in addition to the Chi To and the Chi Ri.
3 powercreeped tanks overall.

round sundial Dec 19, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Shouldn't it be more like Type 61, ie a very good gun but pretty much trash everything else?

coarse dawn Dec 19, 2019, 6:07 PM

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colorblind assist will be nice in this game for those of us visually challenged

nimble zodiac Dec 19, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Isn’t about balance but good idea!

ivory fractal Dec 19, 2019, 7:08 PM

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@coarse dawn maybe leave that in #646323804326461440

lofty dew Dec 19, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Store back up yet ?

unique scaffold Dec 19, 2019, 7:20 PM

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who here also thinks from the following tanks needed to get buff:
-caernavon stock gun pen buff and reload
-AMX 13 75 acceleration and on the move aim buff

nimble zodiac Dec 19, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Stock tanks aren’t meant to compete effectively against their tier, and the AMX 13 75 is good

unique scaffold Dec 19, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Excelsior, V tier, needs balance
As a tank for gold, it has a fatal cannon
A heavy tank with a pipe, not a cannon
Give him some power

noble siren Dec 19, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Can we appreciate the fact that Vk90P is a better candidate for the tier 10 place of the Vk45 line and Vk72 is just a sad excuse for a heavy tank?

ivory fractal Dec 19, 2019, 8:31 PM

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@tidal inlet @dreamy dirge wrong channel, but fyi

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candid steeple Dec 19, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I just had a game where E-100 VK 720 ... and Grill 15 were shooting HE on my E5 turret and each time dealing 400-450 damage. Is that fair?

noble siren Dec 19, 2019, 9:09 PM

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@candid steeple yeah why not?

candid steeple Dec 19, 2019, 9:13 PM

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That's the half of its max damage and they are shooting at the front of my turret. KV-2 doesn't splash tier VI with 400 damage every time and they have a lot less armor. Its weird.

mellow cape Dec 19, 2019, 9:15 PM

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KV-2 splashes more if you can aim well...
E5 only really has strong front armor, the turret roof is quite weak and takes a lot of damage from HE (this applies to pretty much all tanks btw, not just E5)

visual turtle Dec 19, 2019, 9:17 PM

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What about rhm borsig it’s armor is so weak

candid steeple Dec 19, 2019, 9:29 PM

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rhm is turreted TD. Charioteer has weak armor too. Only turreted td in tier VIII with good armor is T28 Proto but it's speed eh. But about E5. They did 400 damage to me with every HE hit that was not in barrel in front of the turret from 50m away or more. that's not turrets roof top hits. I was hull down. No chance of hitting it.

mellow cape Dec 19, 2019, 9:31 PM

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E5 sides are also quite weak, and you can splash into the side/turret roof even without direct hits because of how HE works

night grail Dec 19, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Slightly Buff the T-25 Turret traverse speed.
It takes forever for the turret to make a full rotation and I always have to turn the entire tank body to face the direction of the enemy rather than waiting for the turret, even at a 60 degrees angle. Medium tanks shouldn’t have super slow turret traverse speed, it makes the tank very underwhelming.

distant river Dec 19, 2019, 10:11 PM

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E5 is pretty easy to splash when hulldown, 300-350 splash (allowing for the normal over-exaggeration that everyone does) isn't something odd @candid steeple

quasi tiger Dec 19, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Please for the love of god nerf the Tiger II. I just lost a game because a 320mm apcr shell wouldn’t go through it’s lower plate. It’s the absolute dumbest thing to effectively remove the traditional weak spot of a tank for absolutely no reason

iron hearth Dec 19, 2019, 11:57 PM

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git gud , simple as that

lunar niche Dec 20, 2019, 12:58 AM

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All this bouncing off the Tiger 2's lower plate thing reminds me of people bouncing HEAT off the side of Vk100 and complaining lol.

regal grove Dec 20, 2019, 1:02 AM

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60 km/g Grille day 5

quasi tiger Dec 20, 2019, 1:09 AM

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@lunar niche Except the VK100 has spaced armor on its side

lunar niche Dec 20, 2019, 1:16 AM

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@quasi tiger That was the point.

With 320mm APCR, you can pen the entire front of Tiger 2. Besides the LFP is smaller and a bit stronger than the UFP.

quasi tiger Dec 20, 2019, 1:21 AM

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@lunar niche “A bit” It is 160mm thick. For comparison, the E-100 which it leads up to has a LFP thickness of 150mm. It has better armor on its “weakness” than a darn super heavy

humble spear Dec 20, 2019, 1:32 AM

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would you prefer if WG swapped the thickness of the LFP and the UFP so it now has a proper "weakspot"? It's literally better that the tiger 2's UFP is it's weakspot, that just makes it a whole lot easier to shoot and pen

lunar niche Dec 20, 2019, 1:38 AM

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@quasi tiger So, its 160mm and is stronger than E100's LFP. Why did you shoot there?

The UFP is much bigger target with the same thickness but less effective armour. Shoot there.

Not much different than people shooting HEAT on Vk100's spaced armor.

crystal spoke Dec 20, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Dont forget you can always drive 10ft to the left or right and just pen it in its side

harsh ravine Dec 20, 2019, 2:17 AM

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People are justifying that a Tiger 2 should have more frontal armor than its higher tier counterparts, smh

dark pike Dec 20, 2019, 3:10 AM

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nobody said that

cyan warren Dec 20, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Please think on a server dedicated to 50% Wr accts, and above, and anything 49‰ And lower gets An alternative server... Just a thought, or just start charging the 40%ers and below, that will sort this out, and WG's stock price

frigid basin Dec 20, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Nerf smasher’s armor?

visual lance Dec 20, 2019, 4:12 AM

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give tutorials for newbies, so they can learn and they have to complete :D

cunning pasture Dec 20, 2019, 4:21 AM

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We need much better balance in match making. Too many battles are landslides with teams winning 7-0 or 6-1. As I understand it, this is because the current match making algorithm doesn’t take into account anything about the players skill. The algorithm only looks at the tiers and types of tanks and attempts for make a match so the teams have similar numbers of tank tiers and types. The algorithm is completely player agnostic, so it’s completely a random event whether or not the teams are balanced or unbalanced in terms of player win rates, damage per battle, etc,

So due to the completely random distribution of players, one team could have an average win rate of 55% with 5 players over 50% and 2 over 60% and the other team can have an average win rate of only 45% with no player over 50%. I’ve seen many battles just like this and the outcome is decided before the battle begins.

Why not add a second stage to the match making algorithm. The first stage would apply the current algorithm to find 14 players such that there are balanced numbers of tanks from each tier and type. Then the second stage of the algorithm would simply divide up the players into teams attempting to keep the average win rates for each team as close as possible. A software program could do this second stage in milliseconds because it’s not searching for more players. It’s just dividing them up into balanced teams as best as possible while still keeping balanced in tank tiers and types for each team.

Of course you probably wouldn’t want to use win rates alone since a player’s win rate doesn’t tell the whole story about their skill level. It would be better to use a composite score that takes into account win rate, average tier played, and damage per battle.

karmic steeple Dec 20, 2019, 5:14 AM

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Man 7-0 and 6-1 matches happen sometimes. If you watched the recent twister cup even in the championship match I’m pretty sure the two teams went back and forth a couple games sweeping each other. It just happens sometimes and it’s a part of the game nothing you can really do to fix it

twin egret Dec 20, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Oh yes, unnecessary nerfs on some vehicles like the FV215b and the Progetto, even the stats show Progetto is falling behind WZ-121, no reason to see it nerf, Instead of Nerfing the FV215b the 2nd time, why don't you just nerf the consumables instead

full token Dec 20, 2019, 6:48 AM

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The Progetto nerf was needed, but the FV215B nerf could’ve been done differently

compact nymph Dec 20, 2019, 6:52 AM

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@twin egret Because removing the consumables means less money income for Wargaming. It's easier to nerf the tanks

round sundial Dec 20, 2019, 8:45 AM

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@cunning pasture A very stupid idea, it'd mean that eventually, everyone would be 50% wr more or less. What about 75% wr players?? Do u give them all the 40%ers vs all the 50%ers so the wr is balanced? Ha ha ha

lunar ruin Dec 20, 2019, 10:02 AM

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I’m looking for that buff to my baby Grille❤️

unique scaffold Dec 20, 2019, 1:45 PM

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well, i've spent the last $ I will on this fouled up game. There are Heavies that can out traverse lights. SPs that can out accelerate lights, and have higher effective armor than. I'm deleting the game from my computer and will never return

errant warren Dec 20, 2019, 1:48 PM

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The louder you announce that you are quitting the more likely you will comeback.

tribal lodge Dec 20, 2019, 3:14 PM

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buff jpanther front armor because the angle of the armor doesnt even work in most of the angle of the tank. the front armor is so thin that we can cut it with razor come on wg u can do this.

regal grove Dec 20, 2019, 3:37 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 6

nimble zodiac Dec 20, 2019, 6:39 PM

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@tribal lodge it’s not supposed to have great armor, but decent mobility and good enough armor to not get HE’d. It makes it more effective, but not to the point where it’ll easily bounce shots, think of it as a medium. Also it prevents the 152mm guns from penetrating it with HE, which is really helpful

tribal lodge Dec 20, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@nimble zodiac and what does the slope even do

coarse harness Dec 20, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Ask the 2nd word war german engineers

remote oriole Dec 20, 2019, 6:54 PM

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The slope increases the effective armour thickness

night grail Dec 20, 2019, 8:19 PM

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@tribal lodge Same thing as side scraping

orchid grove Dec 20, 2019, 8:29 PM

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@tribal lodge This is how sloped armor works

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remote oriole Dec 20, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Sloped, not spaced. Although spaced works the same way, but that's not the idea behind it

regal grove Dec 20, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Um wym
Any armor uses trig
So u can have 155mm of armor while being as heavy as only 100mm
Not much effect here but reduces load limit irl

nimble zodiac Dec 20, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Well for the angled armor to be angled it has to take more material to cover the horizontal distance it is angled to. See in the diagram how much longer the 50 degrees slope is compared to no slope

dense yoke Dec 20, 2019, 11:07 PM

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remove the kv2 from the game or make it a tier 7 tank or atleast don't make it a tier 6 tank. it one shots all t5s sometimes t6s tanks if it doesnt almost all the enemy hp is gone. Also do something about the smasher

nimble zodiac Dec 20, 2019, 11:07 PM

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What about Smasher tho

crystal spoke Dec 20, 2019, 11:09 PM

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T8

karmic steeple Dec 20, 2019, 11:14 PM

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They could nerf it 🤔🤔

dense yoke Dec 20, 2019, 11:18 PM

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nono don't nerf it i think it will be pointless. Remove it or buff it and make a tier higher or 2.

latent snow Dec 20, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Replace it with t150, the tank fits in the line

twilit crystal Dec 20, 2019, 11:30 PM

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armor value = armorvalue/cos(theta-normalization)

dense yoke Dec 20, 2019, 11:34 PM

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agree

unique scaffold Dec 20, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Guys why Its still dont working i used 200 golds

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austere moat Dec 20, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Yeah, I agree. Bring back the T-150, make the KV-2 a special subset of premium that is still purchasable for credits after the KV-3 is researches, and make the Smasher a T8. That, or give it +2/-1 MM

real bison Dec 21, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Leopard 1 and PTA: have some of the worst win rates for their tier for 55%ers
WG: I’m going to pretend I didn’t see that.

wet quail Dec 21, 2019, 12:29 AM

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@unique scaffold the entire adventure event is currently down for Eu and RU. Idk look at announcements @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Dec 21, 2019, 12:37 AM

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@wet quail and why

cunning pasture Dec 21, 2019, 3:02 AM

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@dense yoke the KV can be OP in the hands of a very good player, but I rarely see KV2’s lead teams in damage. Most of the time after a KV2 shoots once or twice, it gets focus fired and killed fairly early in battles. The KV2 definitely has a derp gun with really high alpha for tier 6, but I think it’s balanced by the super long reload, low DPM, poor pen, slow speed and mobility, and pretty crappy armor for a heavy. Now the Smasher is a different story entirely. Now that tank is completely OP for tier 7. It has a derp gun, plus really high DPM for its tier and it has pretty good speed for such a large heavy. War Gaming always balances heavies and mediums that have high alpha by giving them lower than average DPM compared to tanks with lower alpha guns that typically have higher DPM. The only exception to this is many of the TD’s that have high alpha and high DPM. But the Smasher not is not balanced like other heavies. It has super high alpha and really high DPM which makes is the most OP tank in the game relative to its tier.

nimble zodiac Dec 21, 2019, 3:06 AM

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(KV-2) the DPM is actually good, a good 1800 I believe with just AP, combine it with HE and you get an uh oh

dense yoke Dec 21, 2019, 3:48 AM

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doesnt kv2 have the highest dpm(one of the) in the t6 soviet tech tree?

nimble zodiac Dec 21, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Mainly because KV-1S has a long reload for 400 damage, but the penetration makes it fine

silk jewel Dec 21, 2019, 5:17 AM

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The KV2 also has a stupid long aim time which you need for ap

exotic cradle Dec 21, 2019, 5:22 AM

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KV2 should stay in tier 6

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unique scaffold Dec 21, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Can i know why i in adveture have only snowflake.?

coarse harness Dec 21, 2019, 12:45 PM

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I bought back the KV-1S cuz I got the legendary camo and that is everything but not fine

Also got the KV-2 camo ffs

pallid moon Dec 21, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Ugh trig makes my brain hurt

dusky oxide Dec 21, 2019, 2:38 PM

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I wish 121b got an alpha buff instead :/

dawn scarab Dec 21, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Bruh, leo (tier 5) is overpowered

thick rover Dec 21, 2019, 3:00 PM

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In what way

echo garden Dec 21, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Only way I see the Leo being op is because of the pen

indigo meadow Dec 21, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Leo is fun, bursting stuff for 300 every 10(?) seconds

night grail Dec 21, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Thoughts on VK 30.01 H?

paper hazel Dec 21, 2019, 4:36 PM

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I think vk9001 can still buff

karmic steeple Dec 21, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Would be cool if I had it :/

full token Dec 21, 2019, 4:39 PM

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If they’re nerfing the alpha on the Foch, why not nerf the FV183’s alpha too? Maybe buff the reload on the tank so it can still have similar DPM. Previously it seemed that they wouldn’t nerf alpha because each caliber had a specific alpha to it, so the Fv alpha wouldn’t be changed, but now they surely can change it right?

meager spruce Dec 21, 2019, 4:46 PM

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183 is in its rightful place

storm hatch Dec 21, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Quick question, Is the Dracula still a great tank in tier 7?

paper hazel Dec 21, 2019, 5:01 PM

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yes

mellow cape Dec 21, 2019, 5:54 PM

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@meager spruce The 183 is not in its rightful place until its removed from the game

karmic steeple Dec 21, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Yes

meager spruce Dec 21, 2019, 6:15 PM

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@mellow cape oof. You are right. And we need to make sure 4005 can never variant No2

midnight fable Dec 21, 2019, 6:39 PM

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@mellow cape might as remove all tanks from the game then

drowsy plaza Dec 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@midnight fable the 183 with the alpha and pen it has won’t ever be balanced for a 7 v 7 Blitz sized map.

midnight fable Dec 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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That's right. It's not balanced. Every other tier 10 is better than it.
It gets wrecked too easily.

What about the KV2? That 1-shoots 5,6, and some 7 tier tanks. 183 doesn't 1-shoot any tier 9 or 10

charred bobcat Dec 21, 2019, 6:56 PM

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183 getting wrecked too easily? Isn't that a good thing? Let's keep it that way or just remove it from the game.

crystal spoke Dec 21, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I'd prefer to make it so it doesn't even show up on the charts anymore

indigo knot Dec 21, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Why does the Foch 155 retain 545 alpha on Heat shells.....it should be around 460 or 480 alpha .......
As per 6.7 open test

formal vale Dec 21, 2019, 8:26 PM

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The 183 fills a niche for people who like big alpha damage guns. The price they have to pay for that damage is the fact that the platform is garbage. Where else do we see this? The KV-2, SU-152, etc. The price you have to pay for high damage output is either a poor platform, poor accuracy, or often times both.

The 183 is exactly where it needs to be. Nerfing it more would mean you might as well remove it from the game. Buffing it in any way would make it stand out above its peers. It's a bad idea to change anything on the 183 at the moment until some sort of major balancing patch comes for tier 10.

midnight fable Dec 21, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Yup. You have games where you do 5k and games where you do 0k just like every other tier 10.

Edit: except it's slightly underpowered, but I don't mind that because of the alpha

twilit crystal Dec 21, 2019, 8:32 PM

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again you want a competetive tank? play something that doesnt have the ability to possibly take 2/3 of a tank hp in a single shot you dont get to have that and be ok in everything else

harsh ravine Dec 21, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Why are they buffing the Foch’s autoloader Rate of Fire. They should’ve just nerf the alpha and be done with it

true relic Dec 21, 2019, 9:08 PM

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why is the foch’s HE going down so much? Every other 150-155mm gun does 960 alpha, even the kv2’s. 680 is far too low for a 155, just decrease the pen and change it to 700-800

twilit crystal Dec 21, 2019, 9:12 PM

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because you cant do anything against a foch as a medium tank trying to circle = HE to side

regal grove Dec 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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60 km/g Grille day 7

nimble zodiac Dec 21, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@unique scaffold pinned messages, matchmaking isn’t discussed here... most of the time...

true relic Dec 21, 2019, 11:01 PM

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@twilit crystal i mean if you would of read my mesage, you would of see me say that i think the pen should be nerfed also but you clearly didnt :/

unique scaffold Dec 22, 2019, 12:14 AM

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@unique scaffold watch your language here

drowsy plaza Dec 22, 2019, 1:21 AM

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@true relic The KPZ, T92E1 and Sheridan don’t agree with your comment. They wish they could though.

twilit crystal Dec 22, 2019, 1:51 AM

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thankfully not, i do think the kpf does need a HE alpha buff to the sheridans 680 instead of 640 but regular 960 dmg HE is kinda broken and should really be nerfed to like 800

stone vapor Dec 22, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Japanese quality of life update when?

silk jewel Dec 22, 2019, 2:18 AM

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100p buff when?

nimble zodiac Dec 22, 2019, 3:41 AM

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It got nerfed for a reason, all you can do is sidescrape in it on one side and outtrade all VIII heavies.

sudden mesa Dec 22, 2019, 3:59 AM

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I could use some help so if a DEV is on pls contact me

thick rover Dec 22, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Use support ticket

twilit crystal Dec 22, 2019, 4:48 AM

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the vk100p was never reallly great, now that tier 7 meds pen it from the front is just flat out stupid. people literally complained they couldnt pen a vk100p from the front in their tier 7 meds when u cant pen a is3 from the front either

harsh ravine Dec 22, 2019, 5:10 AM

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The armor buffs in 6.7 open test are unnecessary. The only tanks that deserved it is the Chinese IS-2 and the AT-8. 165mm of side armor behind the tracks of the Jadgpanther, jesus. The AT-7 is fine, the AT-8 isn’t

nimble zodiac Dec 22, 2019, 5:10 AM

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AT7??

shy wren Dec 22, 2019, 6:24 AM

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6.7 armor changes

Panther I: Buffed frontal hull and turret
Tiger I: Buffed frontal full
JPanther: Buffed frontal armor, overbuffed armor behind the tracks
E 75: Updated armor model

IS: Buffed upper plate and turret front
IS-2 (1945): Buffed turret front
KV-3: Buffed upper plate and gun mantlet
T-22 Med: Updated armor model

T25 AT: Buffed frontal armor
T29: Buffed frontal hull armor

IS-2: Buffed upper glacis and turret face

Black Prince: Thicker upper hull flat plate
AT 8: Buffed MG port and thicker cupola
AT 7: Buffed cupola

Ho-Ri: Updated armor model

twilit crystal Dec 22, 2019, 6:29 AM

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can WG explain why the panther 1 now gets better armor than the panther 2 ?

idle sundial Dec 22, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Lol, jpanther 165mm behind tracks

fringe apex Dec 22, 2019, 9:40 AM

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And they touch the t22 Med ?

sweet prism Dec 22, 2019, 9:47 AM

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T22 armour model update?...uffff
Silent nerf? Like they made chieftain turret trash?

indigo knot Dec 22, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Tho what did they change in T22?

full token Dec 22, 2019, 10:40 AM

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On Blitzhangar it looks like they just changed the armor shape, so the angles might be different. Not sure if that’s a buff or a nerf though

random crow Dec 22, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Blitz I have a problem that my game wouldn't let me use the Adventure and wouldn't give me clementines could you pls game me clementines it's really hard to get to the snow globe

dense yoke Dec 22, 2019, 11:20 AM

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im happy that ats are getting a buff, would be amazing if tortoise and at15 would too

coarse harness Dec 22, 2019, 11:20 AM

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So they buffed/going to buff all the T7 heavies...

...exept AMX M4 45
Which is already worse than the Tiger
Makes sense

iron hearth Dec 22, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Jpanther buff its crazy, 165 mm side armor 😳

drifting depot Dec 22, 2019, 11:35 AM

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Yeee.... m4 45 kinda needing either some armor or speed to go with the low armor it actually has, you know at least 40 kmh but noooooo not even that

latent snow Dec 22, 2019, 11:47 AM

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that side armor is probably just a bug, no way its getting that

compact nymph Dec 22, 2019, 11:53 AM

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No, I think it's 165mm armor behind the tracks

shy wren Dec 22, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Which is why I think that it’s a bug in the code

round sundial Dec 22, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Why is Panther 1 now objectively better than Panther 2 ? Excuse me wtf? Also some of the buffs are ridiculous, what is WG even thinking ? Tiger 1 165mm front ? What are T7 meds gonna do ? At best they can go cry in a corner! T29 ? Yeah SURE, give the best hulldown tank at T7 a good hull armour to go with it. Big smart time.
TDs armour buffs ? 200mm eff frontally is a lot, again, what are meds gonna do ? They can't pen them frontally anymore unless they spend a lot of time aiming for weakspots, even with pramo. Not even speaking about the obviously bugged showing of JP side 165mm. Standart B nerf ? Not even close to enough..

silk stratus Dec 22, 2019, 12:30 PM

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WG, can we do something about people below 45% platooning? It makes it nearly impossible for that team to win. I just had a 38% and 39% platooning together in my game. Of course we lose because of them. It’s becoming a huge problem

minor grove Dec 22, 2019, 12:37 PM

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Buff is7

steep vale Dec 22, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Why for Foch 155 BOTH guns are getting the alpha nerf, i understand the autoloader guns, but why the stock gun, its fine how it is. Just nerf the autoloader gun

minor grove Dec 22, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Yes WG very big brain you have, it’s already broken

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karmic steeple Dec 22, 2019, 1:28 PM

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^^^^^^ that’s a joke WG come on now

round sundial Dec 22, 2019, 1:33 PM

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There are worse things in the patch, the TD buffs which make their front 200mm plus on JP and T25 AT seem very excessive. And Panther 1 is gonna be the most broken

unique scaffold Dec 22, 2019, 1:34 PM

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whatt ?? Wg is planning to buff the Black Prince ? ha ha ha ha ha ! You know what WG , go ahead buff the Black Prince loooool

latent snow Dec 22, 2019, 1:38 PM

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The panther kinda needed some sort of armor buff but this is a bit too extreme

The tiger kinda makes sense because the vk36 has more armor than it.

The American tanks really don’t need buffs ( especially t29 )

round sundial Dec 22, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Panther didn't need anything, it was already a very good T7 medium tank. One of the best actually, cuz with all the armour buffs, T7 meds have been powercreeped HARD, and it didn't affect panther too much @latent snow

coarse harness Dec 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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After T5 and T6 it's time to make broken heavies at T7 too🙌
I don't have a clue what's the reason behind these buffs

iron hearth Dec 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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At least they are buffing tech tree tanks 😅 , im fine with that

coarse harness Dec 22, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Prem tanks aren't that popular
Tech tree tanks can break the game more easily

twilit crystal Dec 22, 2019, 3:58 PM

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the panther 1 is now better than the panther 2 in every single aspect besides side armor and alpha damage

fast sleet Dec 22, 2019, 4:28 PM

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So how do you get the veteran role?

twilit crystal Dec 22, 2019, 4:49 PM

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25k+ battles with 50%

round horizon Dec 22, 2019, 4:57 PM

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T20 needs a buff though and so does the Pershing

untold scarab Dec 22, 2019, 5:15 PM

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And if u already have 25k 50+?

coarse harness Dec 22, 2019, 5:50 PM

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#general-blitz-discussion pinned messenges and go to the bottom for the veteran role

fast sleet Dec 22, 2019, 5:55 PM

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ahh, thx

regal grove Dec 22, 2019, 7:16 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 8

dense yoke Dec 22, 2019, 7:31 PM

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if you want to buff panther then 1 buff Panther 2. Do we need a Blackprince buff? i think not. T29 is fine, its a Good tank, no need to buffed. Mabye buff the speed of the tank.

Also i think pershing needs a armor buff. Its too weak... or is it just me?

brazen bridge Dec 22, 2019, 8:08 PM

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How many

acoustic shard Dec 22, 2019, 8:19 PM

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With all the (much needed bufs coming next update in t7) I would also want to sudjest A vindicaror Pen Buff For it's prem Heat 225 to t50 and it's HE 80 to 88. Almost Forgot Gun depression from 2 to 6

drowsy plaza Dec 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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T29 buff 😳

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Hmm

karmic steeple Dec 22, 2019, 8:29 PM

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BP buff 😳

round sundial Dec 22, 2019, 8:31 PM

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So about the changes.. Grille 15 not noticeable
FV215B - I don't think it deserved it, it's very good but not that good imo
121B - Don't have problem with it
Foch 155 - I think they could have scaled the cupolas back to what they were, like it's a big problem for meds to even pen, and eventhough the alpha is lower, the DPM stays the same so I think it should get nerfed further by the cupolas nerf.
Standart B - Not even close to enough, what is the point in Leopard PT righ now???
Progetto 65 - It did probably need a slight nerf, it's just nuts right now, but this may be a bit too much
T29 - WTF ? The best hulldown tank in the tier and it gets a very good hull to go with it ? Needs to stay where its now..
T25 AT - This TD may be meh, but giving it eff 200mm frontally, 250 when using gun depression ? Way too much
IS - Can't load the model, but it looks like 160mm on the UFP. Not a place anyone aims at anyways, I don't think it'll change too much.
KV3 - Massive buff, the mantlet is no longer pennable, so the tank is now super menacing in hulldown
Panther - WTF ???? Already one of the best meds now gets 180mm wdd ufp armour, as much as KV3. One of the worst buffs this patch
Tiger 1 - Also, crazy. No med can now pen it with AP, what can they do when tiger rushes them ? Needs to stay where it is.
JP - I assume the side armour is a bug in blitzhangar, but the front may not be., And it's just. Just like T25AT, way too much.
BP ? No comment. I mean it won't change too much, but still no even close to needed.
AT tanks - Probably needed it, but will it change much ? Probably not
IS-2 chinese - the only tank which did really need the buff outta all those tanks. What is it, like 10% of their buffs are on point ? Nice stats wg..

unique scaffold Dec 22, 2019, 8:34 PM

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where did they announce the upcoming buffs and nerfs

worn sierra Dec 22, 2019, 8:34 PM

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open test

remote oriole Dec 22, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Reading the list of buffs and nerfs, I must say that tier seven makes me want to... do things that will result in a lot of cleaning. It has something to do with my stomach

twilit crystal Dec 22, 2019, 8:44 PM

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IS tanks also got turret armor buffs but they needed them because they still have a nice big cupola to pen so its fair

coarse harness Dec 22, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Since they will buff the IS too it'll be still better in every single way than the IS-2

round sundial Dec 22, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I don't believe so, IS-2 will have actual strong upper plate, IS will still have the flat spot in the middle @coarse harness . Overal it may be, with better speed and gun, but the armour will be better for chinese is-2

brazen bridge Dec 22, 2019, 9:23 PM

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I cant log in the map

coarse harness Dec 22, 2019, 10:27 PM

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I prefer gun stats and mobility over armor but it's just me

nimble zodiac Dec 22, 2019, 11:48 PM

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A fast tank with an crazy gun is quite the chaos to deal with, it’s why helsing and drac are so good, their guns and mobility are a great combination

tame furnace Dec 22, 2019, 11:57 PM

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^ same w keni otsu too just pure gun and ok mobility

austere moat Dec 23, 2019, 12:48 AM

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What was the changes to the T-22? Looks like almost nothing changed (6.7 blitz hangar leaks)

thick rover Dec 23, 2019, 12:53 AM

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@round sundial agree about t29 -_-

twilit crystal Dec 23, 2019, 1:00 AM

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they buffing the t22 -_-

stuck summit Dec 23, 2019, 1:42 AM

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It’s just a very slight smaller armor profile, if anything it’s a very small buff, insignificant

thick rover Dec 23, 2019, 2:19 AM

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@twilit crystal really

unique scaffold Dec 23, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Dracs gun good? That’s a new meme

twilit crystal Dec 23, 2019, 2:20 AM

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drac is a meme its a fun tank due to the speed but ever since all the heavy tank buffs to traverse its never been OP, it quite literally has the worst tier 7 medium tank gun, and the armor is paper albiet its tough to HE but its also a big tank. All it has pure speed

soft spindle Dec 23, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Dracula is 7th best WR on the server for the last 90 days. It’s OP

karmic steeple Dec 23, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Lol worst tier 7 medium tank gun many would argue the best

regal grove Dec 23, 2019, 3:26 AM

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If its op, then ur saying every other tank from 6 and up are also op. Every single one of them. @soft spindle

twilit crystal Dec 23, 2019, 3:32 AM

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@karmic steeple how all it has is alpha LOL. worst gun handling, mediocre pen and mediocre dpm

spice bloom Dec 23, 2019, 3:39 AM

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they need to make credit earning at tier 10 actually a thing

drowsy plaza Dec 23, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Drac has speed and troll spaced armor cosmetics- plus the ridiculous track healing.

indigo knot Dec 23, 2019, 3:53 AM

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A good player in comet or T43 can give a drac player a run for his money.... generally dracs in platoons are OP.....Drac platoons or Type62 and drac platoons they are difficult to deal with when driven by seasoned players

Though I have not played game since its inception but like everyone says that Drac along with Helsing was godly when it first came.....I guess they both have been powercreept heavily

unique scaffold Dec 23, 2019, 4:09 AM

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i CLOWN dracs in my Super Pershing, stop playing WEENIE TANKS with no armor and pick up a CHAD TANK and HUG THEM so they cant hit you and become a ALPHA MALE like ME

storm hatch Dec 23, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Really I just picked up the drac and I think it’s gun is great, either I’m high or you people are just horrible at aiming.

zealous juniper Dec 23, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Fix the damage mechanics.

nimble zodiac Dec 23, 2019, 4:27 AM

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@unique scaffold I also destroy tier 7s with a tier 8

soft spindle Dec 23, 2019, 4:29 AM

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@regal grove I don’t think you got what I meant about WR. The entire player base. Including noobies can keep the wr for this tank over 60. 7th best including tanks that have not been released yet, but 2nd best for tanks that anyone can buy.

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unique scaffold Dec 23, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Any other ALPHA MALES using the Super Pershing? SUPER PERSHING GANG REPRESENT YO

storm hatch Dec 23, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Stop comparing tier 7s to tier 8s

fervent crescent Dec 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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buff the 140 62a completley outclasses it now

kindred jungle Dec 23, 2019, 4:57 AM

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personally, I agree with that but the 140 has a greater slope on its frontal armour and better mobility. I think only the gun needs a buff.

formal vale Dec 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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The 140 barely has better frontal armor. It's not reliably in the slightest, it just gets some troll bounces sometimes. The mobility is almost negligible; you can only really tell the difference when it comes to straight line dashes to certain spots. The 140 is truly outclassed now and I don't see why.

If WG were to return its pre-nerf turret armor and maybe just buff the gun handling, it would be much more competitive than it is now and it would pretty much equal the 62A in strength (ie gun depression sacrificed for speed and hull armor).

lament vessel Dec 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Wg, gix ghost shells omg

vocal shard Dec 23, 2019, 5:28 AM

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I love the novelty of it all, but can we agree that ammo racks are a little too broken for Blitz? I mean in the PC and Console versions, it's not that big of a proportion of the team but in Blitz, it just changes the entire game. At least, full health ammo racks in the first half of a match are just so frustrating and stupid imo.

zealous juniper Dec 23, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Fix the broken damage mechanics

nimble zodiac Dec 23, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Report stuff like that in #585464006936887306, and they're already trying to fix it anyways, be patient

livid cradle Dec 23, 2019, 9:19 AM

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The Hangar desk will be the desk of dava developpers ?

unique scaffold Dec 23, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Balance out the 140 and the T62A again, I got the 140 for the extra gun depression and I have less turret armor and less gun depression now wtf this is stupid

humble spear Dec 23, 2019, 11:07 AM

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The 140 is still a good tank, higher top speed, better hull armour and best in class standard round pen. It's still better at brawling than a 62a

mellow cape Dec 23, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Yes, Obj 140 hull is significantly better than 62a, not slightly and its also easier to generate bounces from it. The sides are also much harder to hit with HE from TDs and other high pen HE (except high pen HESH) as it forms a curved shape and can even generate some troll bounces.

weak haven Dec 23, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Where the hell can i speak with a mod or something like this

knotty tiger Dec 23, 2019, 11:45 AM

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this even is unbalance and makes no sense i be grind fir few days now and i think wargaming should make the cases reset everyday but they don't seem to listen to anyone anymore and looking for money all the time.

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deft owl Dec 23, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Buff 183

knotty tiger Dec 23, 2019, 12:39 PM

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yes

graceful copper Dec 23, 2019, 12:42 PM

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look wg p43 just kill my is5 with 500 ram i did to him only 300 is5 heavy right?

compact nymph Dec 23, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Ramming damage depends on the weight, speed and position of both tanks. Not their category @graceful copper

indigo meadow Dec 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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P43 mustve been going hella fast tho

sturdy fractal Dec 23, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Looking at the 6.5 vehicle performance stats, I'd say the American autoloader is in need of a serious buff

lilac venture Dec 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Nerf foch interclip reload not the alpha! So ridiculos to see big gun td with that 560 standard round alpha and 680 HE alpha

rose veldt Dec 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Buff Pz V/IV 's depression, its like 2° not 8°

wraith lance Dec 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Its 8° over the sides iirc

twilit crystal Dec 23, 2019, 2:55 PM

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10

lilac venture Dec 23, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Dont nerf Foch 155's single shot damage plz, nerf its dpm, its interclip reload time

latent compass Dec 23, 2019, 3:54 PM

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HI DEVS

harsh monolith Dec 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Every 3 battles
2 of them are steamrolls

desert pasture Dec 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Is 3 defender buff???

storm hatch Dec 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Any clue how much the drac may go for if it’s in the auction?

wicked sluice Dec 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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25k gold like last year,it was sold out after a few hours

thin ermine Dec 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Why are you taking away the base health of the fv215b? Nerf the provisions you added. The community isnt dumb, we know you just want to make more money off us, so you make us spend credits for health boosts, then take away the base health. How blatantly tacky of you WG.

storm hatch Dec 23, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Damn that’s a lot of gold @wicked sluice

twilit crystal Dec 23, 2019, 7:01 PM

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the drac is not worth more than 10k gold lol people. Its been power nerfed for years. Look at the 6.7 open test with panther 1 armor buff or tiger 1 armor buff or other heavies armor buffs, the drac can't pen any of those from the front

wicked sluice Dec 23, 2019, 7:09 PM

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@twilit crystal Yes,u said its the price of last year,can be different this year. Back then the drac was op af

twilit crystal Dec 23, 2019, 7:11 PM

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but its Highly demanded, literally everyone wants it in the acution because everyone thinks its super OP like the t54mod1, its a decent tank but its by no means OP. When it first came out heavy tanks had much worse traverse at tier 7, the didnt have the 10% mobility provision and they also had horrible gun handling so you couldnt even hit a drac. Against mediums the drac generally has worse dpm or armor or both so its not that hard to outplay one. Now heavies get much better gun handling, they also got armor buffs and massively better traverse which makes it impossible for many meds to COD heavies, the Drac still can but it can't just rush from the front anymore and has to come from a different angle

storm hatch Dec 23, 2019, 7:17 PM

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So it needs a buff then

sweet prism Dec 23, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Now that wg decided to buff IS turret cheek armour, can we talk about a little armour buff of turret cheek and upper plate of IS2SH

fervent trout Dec 23, 2019, 8:35 PM

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can you increase the probability of higher amount of snowflakes

pallid nest Dec 23, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Yeah, if you go to Canada

indigo knot Dec 23, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Can anyone explain how the new armour update on T22 will affect it....Is it buff or nerf in general???

distant river Dec 23, 2019, 9:30 PM

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It's a tiny remodeling that will probably change nothing from what I can tell

regal grove Dec 23, 2019, 11:36 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 9

soft spindle Dec 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

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@wicked sluice @storm hatch drac was sold for 20k to start out

Edit: if you don’t believe me, wait till it comes out.

wicked sluice Dec 23, 2019, 11:57 PM

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@soft spindleNo,i remmber exactly it was 25k along with the tier Xs. Maybe u think of the offer with 121b or something like this. Research it and you will find out that the price was 25k of gold

dense yoke Dec 24, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Pershing buff?

nimble zodiac Dec 24, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Perhaps a little reload buff for Tankenstein would be nice for the smash having... better reload? idk but the damage per shots are too different for it to be good

rose veldt Dec 24, 2019, 9:16 AM

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Hmm, the Churchill III 's rotation very very slow

coarse harness Dec 24, 2019, 10:14 AM

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I'd rather take traverse buff and maybe pen buff on Tankenstein because 198 pen in T8 is hardly enough with the lowest DPM as well

tulip imp Dec 24, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Y5 elc bis needs a mobility buff otherwise it's just a worse bulldog.

round sundial Dec 24, 2019, 11:06 AM

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That may be because about every med tank in T7 is a worse bulldog. How do you match a tank that goes faster than Drac, while having actual DPM with it and light tank camo ?

neon linden Dec 24, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Simple, you play a T49

night grail Dec 24, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Tiger armour buff? I feel like I get penned to easily in this box tank.

indigo knot Dec 24, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Well seems like Leo1 became OP for players more than 62a

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harsh ravine Dec 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Leopard 1 is no shape in regards OP

lunar niche Dec 24, 2019, 2:17 PM

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PC buff for Leo 1.

round frost Dec 24, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Change the ammunition type for the T49, APCR and HE as standard, and HEAT as prammo, it doesn't make sense why HE should even be prammo, and HEAT should be 250mm so it would be easier to pen more armoured tanks

indigo knot Dec 24, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Then I would like T49 to have 20+ sec reload

wraith lance Dec 24, 2019, 2:42 PM

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250 Heat would be broken imo

visual lance Dec 24, 2019, 2:46 PM

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BUFF ST-I Traverse, it's so slow

mellow cape Dec 24, 2019, 2:59 PM

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No, ST-I is fine, I'd say its stronger tier for tier than IS-4

visual lance Dec 24, 2019, 3:00 PM

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traverse slow, e75 or lowe even is mobility than ST-I

wraith lance Dec 24, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Its a heavy tank, ofc its slow

shy wren Dec 24, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Traverse is adequate for the tank; any more it’ll be even more broken @visual lance

drowsy plaza Dec 24, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Why ask for a buff to a OP heavy?

twilit crystal Dec 24, 2019, 3:29 PM

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we have enough t49 spam at tier 8 no th

thick rover Dec 24, 2019, 3:32 PM

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I don't think it's OP maybe slightly better I guess

twilit crystal Dec 24, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Its not OP but nowadays literally every other scrub runs the t49 coz fast+derp is literally their combo. Its why new players go for the batchat and leo 1 and also go for the kv2. So give them both in one and they happy. Except its super expensive to run so its not every scrub

full token Dec 24, 2019, 3:44 PM

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WG also gave away free premium so that’s enough to make it less expensive or to easily get back any lost credits

round frost Dec 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@wraith lance SU-152's stock gun has 250mm HEAT

drowsy plaza Dec 24, 2019, 4:06 PM

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No turret

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@round frost the T49 has awesome mobility. You can’t give it a gun that can Derp heavy tanks frontally with ease.

indigo meadow Dec 24, 2019, 4:50 PM

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I forgot that this was derp guns, almost said type 62

twilit crystal Dec 24, 2019, 5:28 PM

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inb4 someone says sheridan, 560 alpha at tier X is good but its not derp tier,

regal grove Dec 24, 2019, 5:45 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 10

exotic light Dec 24, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Buff E75 armor

indigo meadow Dec 24, 2019, 6:12 PM

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70km/h maus day 1

grizzled lintel Dec 24, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Kv 2 needs to do 200-300 dmg

indigo meadow Dec 24, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Already does 70% of the time

wraith lance Dec 24, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Not really unless you use the 107mm. Most of the time it does 400+ dmg @indigo meadow

stable flint Dec 24, 2019, 8:05 PM

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T28 proto please give it an engine buff or top speed buff

night grail Dec 24, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Thoughts of nerfing the Leopard, anyone else sharing this thought?

I think the leopard has a high pick rate which certainly indicates it’s a very strong tank for its tier.

latent snow Dec 24, 2019, 8:56 PM

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The thing is just fun to play, it’s not necessarily good.

The tank is kinda like a t49, it CAN do a lot on damage but it is limited due to its low pen. Also the tank is a HE piñata, at least from my experience.

nimble zodiac Dec 24, 2019, 9:44 PM

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@coarse harness Well at least it has better pen than helsing, gravediger, black prince, it's actually good, in the penetration perspective

coarse harness Dec 24, 2019, 9:51 PM

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The helsing has 220, the gravedigger 230 and the BP has 239 gold pen
198 is the max pen on the tankenstein (using rammer ofc) with the only useful gun @nimble zodiac

latent snow Dec 24, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Yeah atleast buff the armor behind the tracks for the vk168 so it’s not worse than the vk100.1p

twilit crystal Dec 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

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or worse than the jpanther 😛

round sundial Dec 24, 2019, 10:47 PM

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99% of T5 meds are severely underpowered. Their guns suck, and they can't deal with the heavy tanks of the tier at all, I'm not even speaking about T6, which sometimes even have 2x the DPM and 2x the HP

dense yoke Dec 24, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Leopard pt a buff

wraith lance Dec 24, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I agree, the gap between tier V and VI is kinda rough

stoic goblet Dec 24, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Leapord is op against paper armoured vehicles with that machine gun

nimble zodiac Dec 24, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Exactly why it's only for the paper armor

unique scaffold Dec 25, 2019, 12:24 AM

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i 100% agree that leo is op

tough talon Dec 25, 2019, 12:27 AM

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I have to say that, I can’t hold on anymore. What are the fxxk wg thinking about? They think they put noobs and pro together and everything will be fine? I’m really sure that the worst match making I’ve seen in my short life. Why me(pro)(75wr at30 days) need to carry those noobs? I fight to help team, a normal team. Everyone knows what’s they need to do. Not a team with brainless and who even doesn’t know how to shoot and drive well. No one is happy with the match making at moment. So why wg doesn’t change it? Ah they said: we are lazy, if u don’t like, go play rank. Of course. No difference in rank. High win rate doesn’t mean he’s pro, but low win rate I’m really sure that he’s noob. Pls
a Wg, make new match making.
Noob doesn’t happy if they fight with pro. Pro doesn’t improve them skill fighting with noob.
Best way is noob fight each other, pro too.
How to difference pro and noob? We can get idea of blitz star, make wotb official’s wn8. Or something like wn8.
Higher than 3k, pro2k -3k normal lower than 2k noob.
Normal players could fight with pro and noob, pro could fight with pro and normals , noob could fight with noobs and normals.
Match making is the most important part of the game. I hope wg can do it well. Stop think about how to take more our money, just thinking about how to make better. Players will pay for it.
Thanks everyone. Hope the Wg can read it all.

round sundial Dec 25, 2019, 12:28 AM

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@tough talon If everyone is pro, then noone is pro

karmic steeple Dec 25, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Wouldn’t a unicum WN8 be pro?

tough talon Dec 25, 2019, 12:37 AM

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So I said, make a difference with wn8. Each person is different, No one is some.
Someone is better so why we put everyone in the same match making?
Im happy if I fight with 70 wr. Im 65, we are close no much difference into 65 and 70. But 70 and 50? There is a lot of difference. 70wr feels so easy and 50 wr feels so difficult. Now, this case is often to happen. This is a reason why we need to change it， to make it better
May 70 and 50 is so much different. But im really sure that 50wr can't win against with 60wr. Usually

tawny sail Dec 25, 2019, 12:45 AM

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So basically you want it to be 60% vs 60%. And this has been said every time. If this were to happen, EVERYONE would be 50% as they would be facing their skill level and there’s just no point. Suck it up

twilit crystal Dec 25, 2019, 12:45 AM

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play tourneys

tough talon Dec 25, 2019, 12:55 AM

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And u know the eu serve’s tournament has been closed for 2 weeks? I want to know how many times I need to wait for tournament back?
It won't be everyone 50% cause into the pros there is person more pro and not really pro. But there isn't so many difference. U can improve u skills while fighting with person who is more pro than u. Winrate will be just a number. Who cares? It seems like rank at moment but more specifically.

karmic steeple Dec 25, 2019, 1:04 AM

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The point James is making is that the metric you are using to judge people is directly related to winrate. So if you are matched against a bunch of ppl of the same wr you’re wr is going to tank and regress to 50% Bc you don’t have a bunch of noobs to beat up on. So you’ll end up with the same problem in MM
Noobs are a part of every game

tough talon Dec 25, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Of course every game has noobs. But it doesn't mean noob needs fight with pro. New players fight with new players, pro fight with pro. Isn't something logic? Join the game, find out opponent has raid, eg, loca or 7 star mercy something else and u team has 3 guys without clan. Everyone despair at this moment.
Think about it, think hard. U want to fight with pro, with a good team, try hard to win. Or a battle of 7-0 or 0-7.
If u can choose, which one u will pick up

karmic steeple Dec 25, 2019, 1:15 AM

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That’s just lopsided MM not anything to do with pros and noobs fighting in different matches

crystal spoke Dec 25, 2019, 1:18 AM

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You do realize you can already set I fight so you only fight people with the same wr right? Its really easy to do just make a tr

tough talon Dec 25, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Everyone knows match making isn't fair. It won't be fair, never. But I hope, at least we can make it better.
Now, noobs did nothing into battle. Just looking pro dominate the game. Maybe block some dmg for pro to help he survives. I use my teammate blocks some dmg for me cause I know he do anything also I see how does he play. So I know
I never think that I'm pro. I can't improve my skill against noobs. I win easy, doesn't mean I'm happy with it.
Actually u guys don't want to fight against pro ha? Aren't u?
Rank isn't fair too. Do u guys think rank is somewhere with good match making? No way, I was 5200 points, I saw 3 guys with 3k in my team. And I promise, diamond is easy to get just if u want to. Gold rank is same like random maybe worse.

karmic steeple Dec 25, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Nope never said that. I’m happy to play against pros. But if you want to improve your skills you definitely should not be relying on public matches with random match making

crystal spoke Dec 25, 2019, 1:32 AM

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I'd hate mm that isn't as random as it is since it has some regulations

tough talon Dec 25, 2019, 1:40 AM

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first all, wg need to fix bugs and ghost shell, something else. Every updated appear new bugs. Fix bugs, more bugs. This is wg doing. They haven't time to think about what player want.
Another steam（shu t up and take my money）

nimble zodiac Dec 25, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Literally none of this is tank balance 😂

unique scaffold Dec 25, 2019, 3:02 AM

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@tough talon this channel isn't about matchmaking. Read the pinned messages

pallid moon Dec 25, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Kp needs speed and reload buff

ornate hamlet Dec 25, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Mery crhistmas

orchid vortex Dec 25, 2019, 8:29 AM

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What about increasing the pin on the Excelsior 96 With calibrated shell Going up against Kv1 bdr t14 Churchill's It's Useless And going up against khir 6 heavies is just suicide

idle falcon Dec 25, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Lago is good?

dusky cedar Dec 25, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Can we get separate options to change sensitivity settings in sniper mode and no sniper mode on mobile? Idk if this is the right channel to give suggestions but I couldn’t find any other.

cloud crypt Dec 25, 2019, 1:49 PM

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umm... i think vk 45 02 a,b need to buff...

compact nymph Dec 25, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Hmm... I enjoy a lot playing the A but it could use a buff like in PC where it had the upper front plate thickened to 150mm

cloud crypt Dec 25, 2019, 2:02 PM

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tiger 2 buffed, its too bad... and B also worse than E 75

latent snow Dec 25, 2019, 2:04 PM

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B is a better side scraper thanks to rear mounted turret, smaller lower plate and has better frontal armor but weaker sides

mellow cape Dec 25, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Better sidescrapper? Not a chance with the extremely weak sides

nimble zodiac Dec 25, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Isn’t the point of sidescraping making those weak sides stronger? The tank is long, and with the rear mounted turret a less aggressive angle is achievable compared to other heavies

tender bane Dec 25, 2019, 2:22 PM

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What tier are the new tanks ? Still tier 8 or are the is the fury and the amx 30 b both tier 8 or 9

cloud crypt Dec 25, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@nimble zodiac no... its worse than E 75 sidescraping

nimble zodiac Dec 25, 2019, 2:54 PM

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When did I ever claim the contrary? 😉

cloud crypt Dec 25, 2019, 3:02 PM

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i think 8~10 tiers of German Vk 72 01 line need all buff...

nimble zodiac Dec 25, 2019, 3:04 PM

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I mean both the E75 and the VK B can pull a nice sidescrape, B caps out at around 240 (with a very small weakspot) and E75 goes further, but both suffer through their turret, mainly the cupola. If either sidescrape to their right then they’d both be very good

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cloud crypt Dec 25, 2019, 3:20 PM

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i think Vk b is not good sidescrape, because in both angle. E 75 is 360mm armor but Vk B is just 310. you can see in armor inspector apps. Therefore, Thought Vk B is long and back turret, but its strong point sidescrape is worse than E 75.

nimble zodiac Dec 25, 2019, 3:23 PM

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310 is overdoing it in tier 9 anyways, other than that they might as well shoot the turret front, or the cupola if they can

junior citrus Dec 25, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Will the lorraine 40t possibly get the alternative gun with the 3 clip and higher alpha per shot in the future?

twilit crystal Dec 25, 2019, 3:28 PM

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310 gets meme penned by any CS heat tho

cloud crypt Dec 25, 2019, 3:32 PM

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yup. 310 penned by any Heat. thats point. E 75 is 360 so, cant pen side. but Vk B's strongpoint, sidescrape is penned by Heat.

nimble zodiac Dec 25, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Always thought prammo would get pulled into this, then if you can meme pen the side on 310, then both of their turrets are a weakspot anyways. Ok, so if they use HEAT then VK can still do a good sidecrape regardless of the weakspot above the tracks, since HEAT dies when trying to go through tracks, a longer scale to sidescrape with is a better angle availability

humble spear Dec 25, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Except the side is so much larger and easier to hit?

jovial patio Dec 25, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Who thought it was a good idea to sell the Fury for 30k gold?

twilit crystal Dec 25, 2019, 4:24 PM

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lol the e75 turrets and vk turrets will easily block most heat shells if aimed directly the odds of hitting the gun or the cheeks are pretty decent, I guess maybe some tier X td pen with CS might be able to pen the cheek if it isn't directly at you but the turret overall is nto a super easy auto pen

nimble zodiac Dec 25, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Ain’t it like 270 effective tho?

drowsy plaza Dec 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

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@jovial patio not a balance issue.

grizzled quail Dec 25, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Nerf the PZ.II

crystal spoke Dec 25, 2019, 9:04 PM

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How do you suggest do that

austere moat Dec 25, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Leopard 1 doesn’t need more DPM... the buff it needs is one of 3:
A) added speed
B) 420 alpha
C) added turret traverse
Interesting thought, but could also add:
D) increased module damage on each shell

steep vapor Dec 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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bro i think leo is pretty good by itself

grizzled quail Dec 25, 2019, 9:32 PM

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That’s overkill ngl

wicked pine Dec 25, 2019, 9:46 PM

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420 alpha bruh wtf?

unique scaffold Dec 25, 2019, 9:48 PM

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After playing with the leopard buff as of now I managed to get 5 more aces within the span of 2 days it’s honestly way more useful now you can take dual fuel and still have 5.8 reload your dpm now makes you unbeatable in brawls and a permatracker for heavies and TDs if anything the leopard needs it’s more penetration

drifting depot Dec 25, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Yo just keep in mind Leo 1 is one of the hardest vehicles to learn so stop ranting get out there and git gud

neon linden Dec 25, 2019, 10:06 PM

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^

grizzled quail Dec 25, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Lol

chilly crane Dec 25, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Buff WZ 113 G FT

unique scaffold Dec 25, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Just give it more pen and it will be fine

little quarry Dec 25, 2019, 10:52 PM

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I've been playing VK 45.02 B in awhile, its really a good tank for sidescraping, as long as you not over-angle them over 15+ degrees (or even 30 degrees i guess)

Because HEAT rounds is always been an issue for this tank.. i had to go micro, than macro (sidescrape mostly defeats some AP/APCR rounds, but not HEAT imo)

atomic hound Dec 26, 2019, 12:01 AM

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VK B is awful, it's just an objectively worse e75. The side armour is a joke, it's a worse sidescraper, it's less mobile, it has less gun depression, it sucks at chasing tanks round corners, etc.

I reckon it needs side armour of 130mm, make it a much better sidescraper than the e75. When they've just introduced the VK 90 with 140mm of side armour with a better angle on it, a great gun, a better turret, and amazing gun depression over the sides I don't see why we can't have 130mm on the VK B a tier down since it has none of those other advantages.

main coral Dec 26, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Buff Obj. 140
A) bigger gun depression
B) more damage per shot (for ex. 320)
C) better mobility (for ex. max speed increased to 60km/h)
D) lower dispension ( from 0.336 to 0.310)

Share your opinion in comments.
Thanks

thick rover Dec 26, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Where is none of the above

little quarry Dec 26, 2019, 1:11 AM

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@atomic hound That's why VK 45.02 B should be earning the title "The Poor Man's VK 90.01 P"

VK 72.01 K line needs a buff i guess, at least for the tier IX-X to make them look better in front of other HT's..

Or maybe not, because its fine as it is?

iron hearth Dec 26, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Since the t62a buff , the 140 might get some love from wg(im pretty sure they will buff it) and as someone stated before a mobility buff would be cool and leave the gun dep as it is rn

atomic hound Dec 26, 2019, 2:51 AM

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@little quarry vk72 would be easily the worst tier X if the joke that is the 183 didn't exist. It definitely needs an armour buff.

tribal lodge Dec 26, 2019, 4:10 AM

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buff jpanther II armor it is too thin for tier 8 or just buff all armor for a tank with panther body. i got pen easily by enemy even with a sharp angle.

autumn zodiac Dec 26, 2019, 4:21 AM

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I think Ferdinand needs more assistance in that regard, because at least JP has significantly better mobility

pallid moon Dec 26, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Buff kp reload and speed

tribal lodge Dec 26, 2019, 5:35 AM

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@autumn zodiac the mobility doesnt even help. you will be instantly pen it is like playing a carbord tank. esp the bottom of the tank is super thin and the percentage to get fire is 70% trust me and the side armor is Superb thin u cant even hide yourself. please wargaming check all of your tank armor. jpanther II is mid heavy but dont have armor like other mid heavy tank.

autumn zodiac Dec 26, 2019, 5:37 AM

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...

hot sun Dec 26, 2019, 5:38 AM

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#givekpfATGM :3

mellow cape Dec 26, 2019, 5:59 AM

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Why are people thinking of buffing 140 now that the T-62A got buffed? It needs no buff

little quarry Dec 26, 2019, 6:10 AM

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Idk- maybe Obj. 140 fans kinda annoyed over T-62A buffs, with that -7 depression

nimble zodiac Dec 26, 2019, 6:43 AM

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@tribal lodge Ferdinand is supposed to be the armored one, the JPan II makes up so much with a workable superstructure, great speed, high damages per shot, but a faster reload than the 152mm helps prevent a trade and allows a one way fire. Try to hide your hull as much as possible, and it’ll get quite annoying to get penetrated.

twilit crystal Dec 26, 2019, 6:57 AM

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62 got 7

cunning kindle Dec 26, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Some ppl wud still prefer 140 coz of the speed

noble siren Dec 26, 2019, 8:19 AM

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On the Leopard 1 I wanted it to get an acceleration buff because this can be very very useful for its play style than 0.2 less reload

tribal lodge Dec 26, 2019, 8:21 AM

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@nimble zodiac nope you will still died even with a good weapon

unique scaffold Dec 26, 2019, 8:33 AM

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@noble siren you do know with the dpm buff you can now take both fuels and still have higher dpm then before

coarse harness Dec 26, 2019, 9:45 AM

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It has better effective p/w ration than the BC🤷🏻‍♂️
And it has an actual good gun as well

📎 Screenshot_2019-12-26-10-43-50-876_com.android.browser.jpg

dark eagle Dec 26, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Who in theplatoon is herea blitz on the Rassian server

primal rampart Dec 26, 2019, 10:25 AM

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@dark eagle is that a thing you need to discuss here

formal vale Dec 26, 2019, 10:29 AM

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The Leopard is already fine. The Batchat is also already fine (if not very slightly underpowered). The Leopard is basically the Batchat without the clip and light tank camo but added DPM, pen, and gun handling (it's also much bigger in size). Both are balanced and both can be highly effective tanks when used correctly.

empty wharf Dec 26, 2019, 10:56 AM

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Balanced teams would be nice

📎 Screenshot_20191226_115329_net.wargaming.wot.blitz.jpg

empty wharf Dec 26, 2019, 11:43 AM

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I would love to see the BC 25 T with the same dmg as a usual 105 mm gun... Like 350 dmg

latent snow Dec 26, 2019, 11:50 AM

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That would be terrifying

thick rover Dec 26, 2019, 2:07 PM

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^

half mortar Dec 26, 2019, 2:44 PM

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In my humble opinion, I would love for certain tanks to be removed from the game such as the gravedigger which only hinders the fact that its front armor is completely unpenetrable, I wish it was removed! thanks for your attention and have a nice day

mellow cape Dec 26, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Front armor is completely impennable? Far from it @half mortar

half mortar Dec 26, 2019, 2:54 PM

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@mellow cape wait one second pls i gonna translate

drowsy plaza Dec 26, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Lower plate is easy to pen in same tier tanks

light schooner Dec 26, 2019, 3:14 PM

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tbh i have bounced ridiculous amounts of dmg when i played gravedigga

little quarry Dec 26, 2019, 3:25 PM

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If you are saying Gravedigger is impennable frontal armor isnt true, lower plate still easy to pen despite of having small gap between upper plate (other weakness also shown in certain spot at turret face)

If you are not doing that or just lazy, go for sides and back instead, how hard is it?

jade cargoBOT Dec 26, 2019, 6:34 PM

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dynoSuccess R҉E҉A҉P҉E҉R҉#2474 has been warned.

meager spruce Dec 26, 2019, 7:37 PM

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With gravedigger you either have a really good battle or you just straight up suck and do >500 dmg. Its a weird tank to play but I wouldn't say it is impennable nor OP.

lone holly Dec 26, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Do you always get a discount on tier 10 legendary camo’s?

Dont know if this is the right chat

unique scaffold Dec 26, 2019, 7:58 PM

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@lone holly always? No. Sometimes, yes. Worth 1.5k gold for a sticker ? No imo

lone holly Dec 26, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Ok

nimble zodiac Dec 26, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@tribal lodge ok then, don’t be straight up aggressive in the JPan II, it’s a good sniper after all

unique scaffold Dec 26, 2019, 8:04 PM

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can you make tiger ii a bit faster ? because its really hard to play other stock mediums block more(it can be my angling promblem too)
but there is always a is3 in all matches
and they all pen easily with 400-600 dmg
i go with 23kmh,do 200-250 dmg and its like it dont have any armor at sides or back
a little speed buff would make it more playable
Thanks for reading,sorry for bad english

karmic steeple Dec 26, 2019, 8:22 PM

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I dont think you’re playing it right if an is3 is easily penning you

ornate crag Dec 26, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Can WG make the cupola of the AMX 30 B a tad bit smaller, it makes almost any hull down useless because of it

noble siren Dec 26, 2019, 9:05 PM

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@ornate crag then there will be no punishment for the excellent armor you have

regal grove Dec 26, 2019, 9:07 PM

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60 km/h Grille day 11

formal vale Dec 26, 2019, 9:10 PM

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@ornate crag the 30B has great mobility and a great turret. If you're wiggling and popping in and out of cover it shouldn't be an issue for you.

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 1:41 AM

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If u want bc with 105 350 damage then play the pro get to. And regarding the progetto nerf I don’t think it’s necessary. Progetto is a mediocre medium with poor dpm and average speed. The only reason why it’s got high winrate is because it’s new and most players driving it are unicums.

twilit crystal Dec 27, 2019, 1:59 AM

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"poor dpm" is a lol tier claim when its an autoreloader, For medium term engagements its fine if you have the clip reloaded, only in super long drawn out continious engaments is it poor

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 2:00 AM

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“Progetto is a mediocre medium” oh really if it’s so mediocre why is it outperforming every single medium @unique scaffold

hearty stirrup Dec 27, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Please buff is6 front armor. It’s too weak for a heavy. Angling doesn’t help either cause even mediums can pen it while angling. It makes the is6 the worst tier 8 premium heavy. Please buff it wargaming

rose veldt Dec 27, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Buff Heavy tank Horse Power, its easy to get killed when the tank climb with 4-9 km/h, but doesn't had enough turret elevation with weak track

nimble zodiac Dec 27, 2019, 3:46 AM

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When would heavies go up hills really... unless it’s like early game Rockfield, or just... places heavies shouldn’t often have to go to anyways

karmic steeple Dec 27, 2019, 4:17 AM

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You could just play it like a heavy tank is supposed to ::/://///

tulip imp Dec 27, 2019, 4:32 AM

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@nimble zodiac spotting on castilla

nimble zodiac Dec 27, 2019, 4:51 AM

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That doesn’t really cause you to be an easy kill, heck if they have meds I doubt many heavies try to suispot that hill

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Bc also need a buff tbh

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Buff Panther II, more powerful engine, stronger front armor, higher dpm

little quarry Dec 27, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Not sure about Panther II buffs, i'm fine with the current one as now

How about buffing DB-Leopard line below? Like PT A or Indien-Pz.

shy wren Dec 27, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Personally, Indien Pz doesn’t need a buff; it’s already got solid mobility, solid gun and troll armor (hull and turret)

little quarry Dec 27, 2019, 9:03 AM

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@shy wren Accel is kinda underpowered, that should be buffed a little bit imo

Everything you said above is good, and ik that

drifting depot Dec 27, 2019, 9:24 AM

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Yo guys am I the only one feeling like the t57 heavy needs a little more top speed? Maybe some acceleration instead :p

random bear Dec 27, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Buff the FOCH 155
Make love, not war
Give buff, not nerf

empty wharf Dec 27, 2019, 10:27 AM

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Foch 155 is too strong for his tier, 640alpha in around 7 sec delay.
Cupola his weakspot isn't a real weakspot, make it bigger oder less armor.
Tiger II has God like armor for his tier, even in tier 9. It need a drawback with his mobility to compensate for this.

Mediums are strong, even the Panther II, it's just a complex playstyle which doesn't fit to 80% the player. Give it the sniper role, with good accuracy.

Amx 30b is completely balanced.

I rather Nerf the STB 1, it doesn't have any drawback, it is fast, agile, okish gun,
Armor, dpm
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E50M, Nerf the turret armor from 250 to 240 or 235 to give the enemy meds a chance.

WZ 121 has dpm, armor, Big gun, mobility and everything you need, Nerf the gun depression to give him a drawback. Form his - 5° to -3.5°

Nerf the T62A with the dpm or change the depression back, it's too op imo. (and I have this tank myself)

Su 122 54 givs me some headache too..

tribal lodge Dec 27, 2019, 10:30 AM

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@nimble zodiac im using that tank for sniping OK

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@nimble zodiac even when im sniping i will be dead bcs there is no suitable place for the cardboard tank (jpanther 2) because the hull is super useless. u still need to show your front armor to shoot enemy tank

half mortar Dec 27, 2019, 11:32 AM

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I lost 6 snowflakes! WTF

thick rover Dec 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Not here...make ticket or something

noble siren Dec 27, 2019, 12:18 PM

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@empty wharf TIger ll is far from being a God in tier 8 even or tier 9 the bigger guns can easily pen it without problem, it is God only against the mediums from tier 8 and nothing more. The problem can be solved but making the lower plate weak and the upper plate strong

odd girder Dec 27, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Tiger II "balanced"

jade cargoBOT Dec 27, 2019, 12:52 PM

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dynoSuccess Warning logged for Fany333#0916. They were not warned.

noble chasm Dec 27, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Lol why?

latent snow Dec 27, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Tiger 2 is not op, it can be penned frontally by same tier heavies. I’ve faced the thing in my is3 and I had no trouble penning the tigers frontal plate ( I was face hugging )

@noble chasm imagine being penned by a t34-1 in your tiger 2 frontally, that would be sad. It’s a heavy tank it supposed to have armor!

noble chasm Dec 27, 2019, 1:31 PM

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@latent snow what about stock tier 8 or tier 7 generally

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 1:33 PM

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himbra you have no idea what you’re talking about and it shows 😆

lean bough Dec 27, 2019, 1:48 PM

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pls can u re-rework the HE shells coz i keep on getting ghost shells after the update

edit: as in 75%+ of my shots are ghost shells

rose veldt Dec 27, 2019, 2:04 PM

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no no no, i mean just Horse Power, not speed, its need 3 s to get 8km/h, make it 2,5s

exotic sparrow Dec 27, 2019, 2:39 PM

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@lean bough oh no, you can't say that, because according to WG speaks person there are no ghostshells....
But btw I have the same problem since the update and not only with HE shells. Just yesterday I had 3 ghostshells in a row and one was on less than 30m distance when fully aimed. But yeah I guess I was just imagening that... 😅

round sundial Dec 27, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Yeah you were, I am not having any ghost shells since they said they fixed it @exotic sparrow Am i special or hwat?

exotic sparrow Dec 27, 2019, 2:51 PM

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@round sundial I guess you are, be glad, bc you have no idea how annoying it is to waste 2 or 3 shots to finish one tank, bc of this issue...
And I'm sure I can send you some replay, I just have to get home, bc it is literally every single day, sometimes less sometimes more. But it is just sad that you can't be sure if your shot hits when fully aim, because if this issue...

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@round sundial here you go, a ghostshell, right from this discord channel or is it not a ghostshell? https://photos.app.goo.gl/KzaaCNgc4jihTUdb8

Google Photos

New video by Dimitris ಠ_ಠ

round sundial Dec 27, 2019, 3:03 PM

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How can I say just from a single screenshot?

mellow cape Dec 27, 2019, 3:04 PM

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@exotic sparrow This is a ghost shell for example, one which lost me the battle.

This issue seems to be fixed for me in the past few days.

📎 2019-12-19_15-07-22.mp4

lean bough Dec 27, 2019, 3:08 PM

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its a vid

exotic sparrow Dec 27, 2019, 3:11 PM

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@round sundial it's a video.... 😂 👀
Not a Screenshot 😆

empty wharf Dec 27, 2019, 3:13 PM

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@unique scaffold mhmm seems interesting to hear it from a 55% player but OK.
It's my opinion that the tiger is too strong. I know if you load the gold it's a easy penetration.
But it needs to be balanced lower and upper tier and it isn't very well.

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Bruh
Wr means nothing, you can’t change your teams lmao
And no, the tiger was weak before the update. The tiger is ok rn

round sundial Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 PM

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@exotic sparrow It wouldn't play in discord, so I assumed it was a screenshot. And yeah, that is a ghost shot, but only one, not 3 in a row like you said

exotic sparrow Dec 27, 2019, 3:24 PM

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@empty wharf
Honestly the tiger 2 is ridiculous, because you can say what you want but this is the only tank atm that has armor that cannot be panned by prem-ammo by many heavy tanks or medium tanks of the same tier. And I'm not even mentioning lower tiers..
So tell me how can you justify something like that.
Even super heavies like Maus or tier 8 VK have a weak spots on the lower plate....

empty wharf Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I am sorry, I mean it is too strong, if you aim on his upper plate you need ruffly 230mm to 245 mm penetration.... And it's too much... Lower plate is too strong aswell...
It should be tuned down from his state

@unique scaffold
Don't be a little child and say "you don't know it.. " and it's not allways the teams

fiery flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Why they buff the t62a again, like what’s even the point of playing the obj140 now

near warren Dec 27, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Should wg improve the current mm? I mean 2 scouts on each team is fine until 2 on one side is upper tier

mellow cape Dec 27, 2019, 4:03 PM

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@fiery flame Higher speed, more effective AP pen, better hull, better accuracy on the move
I see all these as valid reasons to play the 140 still

fiery flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:17 PM

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@mellow cape I do agree with you on that but I think those advantages are very minor, like it has 240mm of AP pen versus the 245mm of APCR however even with better AP normalisation they are pretty much identical in the vast majority of circumstances, or the top speed of the 140 is 55 versus the 50 of the t62a but due to better terrain resistance stats the t62a accelerates faster

regal grove Dec 27, 2019, 4:46 PM

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140 was known for the better gd since ever so give it identical gd with T-62, turrets weak af anyways
60km/h Grille day 12

nimble zodiac Dec 27, 2019, 6:31 PM

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@tribal lodge half of sniping is staying hidden... There are so many tanks that are easy to pen and they snipe too

latent snow Dec 27, 2019, 8:37 PM

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The turret on the obj 140 kinda sucks, I can lob fat HE shells from my e 100 on its forehead and get 300-400 damage

wind flower Dec 27, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Ferdinand is useless compared to other Heavily Armoured TDs at it's tier. It's armour is crap.....

mellow cape Dec 27, 2019, 8:57 PM

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@wind flower Pretty much all 4 of the 'heavily armored' tier 8 TDs are mediocre at best and downright bad in most cases
Ferdinand - pretty much no armor against pramo, and its very slow. Worse effective armor than Jpanther II which is much faster and carries the same gun.
T28 - way too slow and way too little armor for its speed, also sides can be penned with HE quite easily.
T28 prot - same problem as T28, way too slow and way too little armor for its speed, but the gun is great. I'd say both of them are worse than ferdinand but this is at least better than T28 because it has a turret.
AT 15 - hated the T28? Lower alpha to 190, and add an easy to hit hatch so that anyone can pen you. The gun is ok at best if you can keep firing it but otherwise not that good and the pen (especially gold pen) is pathetic for a tier 8 TD. You could choose to use the 250 alpha gun but that drops the already bad pen even more.

wind flower Dec 27, 2019, 9:01 PM

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First. What's the fourth one?
Ferdinand.
AT-15.
T28.

The other two except the Ferdinand have Armour to depend on. Ferdinand on the other hand is way down. It can be penetrated by anytime at its Tier except the very bad pen guns. @mellow cape

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 9:50 PM

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heavies can out accelerate lights what a joke

indigo knot Dec 27, 2019, 10:05 PM

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I liked the AT15 tho.....
I would go as far as to say that it is the best tank in 183 line
T28 proto is also an ok tank....
T28 and Ferdinand are the tanks that struggle .....
Ferdinand should be given back its 1400HP and T28 should receive the same buffs as E3(the lack of gun depression will balance it out unlike E3 now)

unique scaffold Dec 27, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Heavies can out turn lights again in what real world?

karmic steeple Dec 28, 2019, 12:11 AM

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The T28 is easily the worst tank in the game for its tier. There is not a single good quality of the t28. The armor, which is supposed to be it’s strength like it’s tier 9 counterpart, is easily pennable with AP. Terrible traverse, terrible speed, ok gun, no angle tho, and the side armor is HE-able.
I’d say the gun of the T28 Prot makes up for a lot of it’s bad qualities. That gun is just so good

quick tide Dec 28, 2019, 12:26 AM

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So you guys fixed ghost shells huh?

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stoic light Dec 28, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Yep I had multiple today, they did not fix.

nimble zodiac Dec 28, 2019, 1:05 AM

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You should report it in #585464006936887306 not here, this is the channel for tank balance @quick tide

jagged crescent Dec 28, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Make that weird hat on the Foch an actual weakspot

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Please balance the 140 with the 62A I got the 140 for the maneuverability and the gun depression but now I have neither of those pluses, no armor (especially turret armor), gun handling, etc.

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This game is almost fun. If only the team could learn to shoot.

tribal lodge Dec 28, 2019, 3:13 AM

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@unique scaffold and if only there is no toxic player in match

wind flower Dec 28, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Umm Ferdinand has 1400 hp @indigo knot

wicked rapids Dec 28, 2019, 6:41 AM

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What is balance discussion?

full token Dec 28, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Discussion about the balance of tanks. You can talk about tanks you think need a buff or nerf etc and give reasons or whatever

exotic cradle Dec 28, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Did you just say T28 is bad? I beg your pardon but T28 defender is OP

mellow cape Dec 28, 2019, 7:50 AM

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1: Yes I did.
2: T28 defender is not OP, theres better tanks than it in the same tier cough cough WZ-120-1 FT

full token Dec 28, 2019, 8:09 AM

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@exotic cradle He was speaking about the tech tree tanks, not the T28 Defender

flat bane Dec 28, 2019, 8:11 AM

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:/

exotic cradle Dec 28, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Ok

Makes sense

empty wharf Dec 28, 2019, 9:55 AM

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I think a good way should be balance the tanks like PC did.
T28 got a nice armor buff and it changed the look of it.
T95 got a buff for his top speed limit, from 16 to 20.
And then give the T28 Prot the same turret armor Form T28 defender.
The flat part from 203mm up to 215mm
The cheeks from 127mm up to 145mm
And buff the side armor from 50 to 55mm
Bc overmatch

iron hearth Dec 28, 2019, 10:31 AM

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t28 and t95 are already op, no reason to buff em more

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 11:02 AM

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@empty wharf t28 prot needs no buff, it is a great tank if used correctly

neon ibex Dec 28, 2019, 12:08 PM

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tiger 2 does not need a nerf

harsh ravine Dec 28, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Tiger 2 needs a nerf. You don’t just simply “flank” it, it’s just sad when it’s lower front plate has more armor than the E75 or E100. Also the T28 is not OP, there’s a reason why it’s always doing so bad in the Graph statistics. It needs a HD remodel, an armor buff basically

noble siren Dec 28, 2019, 12:28 PM

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@white wyvern are you bad or what? Why the hell will you aim at the lower plate if there is the upper which is easy to pen, or you are one of the 300 IQ players of this game?

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@white wyvern bruh are you ok?

atomic hound Dec 28, 2019, 12:45 PM

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@unique scaffold it needs an hp buff to put it in line with the defender, then it'll be an okay tank.

@iron hearth t28 and t95 OP? Best joke I've heard this decade...

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 12:54 PM

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tiger 2 dont need a nerf its slow enough

noble siren Dec 28, 2019, 12:57 PM

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@unique scaffold he is just playing with stock tank and he is upset, if the american T34 can pen the tiger with no problem then I can't see why every TD from tier 8 to 9 why it should not pen it.

dreamy dirge Dec 28, 2019, 1:03 PM

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🎁

jade cargoBOT Dec 28, 2019, 1:45 PM

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dynoSuccess DragonDooom#1234 has been warned.

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Alright.

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I'll update the warn

coarse harness Dec 28, 2019, 2:02 PM

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People still defend the Tiger 2 lol

drowsy harness Dec 28, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Hey does people playing wotb on PC battles with people play on mobile?

distant river Dec 28, 2019, 2:06 PM

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By default yes, there is an option so you only play with people on the same platform though @drowsy harness

jade cargoBOT Dec 28, 2019, 2:38 PM

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dynoSuccess DragonDooom#1234 was banned

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 3:07 PM

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@coarse harnesswhats wrong with tiger 2 ?

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 3:20 PM

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It’s broken lol

broken root Dec 28, 2019, 3:20 PM

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No its not

coarse harness Dec 28, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Exept the fact it has no weakness ?
Nothing wrong with it

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Lmao

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@broken root what game do you play?

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Look at it from the front and what do you see?

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@coarse harness preach

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The sad thing is that this all started because people complained about the lowe. So the lowe got completely over buffed and outclassed the Tiger 2 entirely. So then people cried about the tiger 2 so it got completely over buffed and outclasses the lowe

broken root Dec 28, 2019, 3:36 PM

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If U are clever, U just shoot cupola or use prammo. Its slow, bad gun, bad sides. And its big. If i look in front i see a tank. In T34, it is ez pen, in type 61 ez pen, in sta 1 and is5 i just use HEAT and tiger dissappears. Sry for waiting for my response, i have 10 min timer between messages. @coarse harness @quick lichen

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Type 61 is a tier 9 and has a tier x gun...
T34 has ridiculous pen...
Is5 heat is 270...
Sta heat is 275...

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Try using a tier 7 against it

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Or not using prammo

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Then see how it goes

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This is your sta “buttering it” with ap rounds

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🤦🏼‍♂️

neon ibex Dec 28, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Sorry for wrong chat but why did he get banned?

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 3:43 PM

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@neon ibex why does it effect YOU?

coarse harness Dec 28, 2019, 3:44 PM

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It's faster than most heavies
Has only a tiny cupola as a frontal weakspot
If 100mm is weak side for you then you should try M6 EXP
You can overmatch it behind the tracks and spam HE on the upper side
And the gun nowhere near being bad lol @broken root

weary carbon Dec 28, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@quick lichen look at that cupola:
Full green. And Tiger II is also very slow, so you can flank it and shoot to the bottom.🤯

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 3:47 PM

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I’m looking at it. That’s if it stands still and let’s you shoot it. From there, you actually have to get decent accuracy to hit it

broken root Dec 28, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Faster? My is5 is faster, is3,6 are faster, t34 better acceleration, cupola is big, there is also a machinegun hatch, i dont have 7, or m6 exp, why not use prammo? @Isaac_HU @quick lichen

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Tiger 2 isn’t a slow heavy and the lower plate is crazy strong for a tier 8 lol

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Let’s do this instead. Germans are about angling right?

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This is side scraping. Have fun

indigo knot Dec 28, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Lower plate of tiger2 needs nerf....and then it will be fine....

empty wharf Dec 28, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Let's have some real discussion.
What about the Mighty
TOG II*?
14 kmh top speed

coarse harness Dec 28, 2019, 3:55 PM

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^^^^^what Walter said
Let's make it clear
That's a big cupola 👇

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round sundial Dec 28, 2019, 3:57 PM

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@indigo knot I don't agree with that, because once you do that, it becomes a worse AMX m4 49 again. There must be another way, to make it unique but less op

dreamy dirge Dec 28, 2019, 3:58 PM

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i need 3 subs only lol

weary carbon Dec 28, 2019, 4:09 PM

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@empty wharf i have got TOG II*. It's slow, but it has 1540 hp and amazing DPM. I like it.

autumn zodiac Dec 28, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Tiger 2 doesn't need to be Unique, why is it that vehicles can't be similar?

indigo knot Dec 28, 2019, 4:10 PM

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@round sundial it will be fine then....and it will be in line with other HTs in its line in terms of playstyle especially E75...

coarse harness Dec 28, 2019, 4:13 PM

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@round sundial the AMX has paper sides and weak lower plate but a godlike turret with 10° gun depression better DPM pen and mobility

broken root Dec 28, 2019, 4:14 PM

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@quick lichen ok. Have a hard time with tigers. I am OK with fighting them. Sure, Tiger 2 is good. But no broken or OP, watch meadsy's top 5. Sayonara.

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 4:14 PM

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@modern rapids apparently your top 5 is a be all end all according to @broken root

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I can’t have a hard time with a tank if I don’t play the game lol

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 4:23 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/541315983814688805/660517988973150219/WoT_Blitz_2019-12-28_17-15-40_online-video-cutter.com_1.mp4

▶ Play video

broken root Dec 28, 2019, 4:24 PM

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@quick lichen i had this opinion even before meadsy's video. I told you to watch because there are broken tech tree tanks, which i agree with, except BP. If U dont play, how can U know if it is good? In my opinion it is good. But not OP or broken, its not 36.01, IS4, or Dracula.

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I played when it got buffed. Not anymore. It’s obvious that they over buffed it but believe what you want. Doesn’t matter to me

broken root Dec 28, 2019, 4:34 PM

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I dont believe. I know. But whatever...

weary carbon Dec 28, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@quick lichen why U stop playing it just 'cause there's one ,,OP" tank? I play it and I'm OK with tanks like Ke-Ni Otsu, Dracula, Helsing and others. If U will play it with premium ammo, you will know something:
TIGER II IS NOT OP

round sundial Dec 28, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@unique scaffold This is not a ghost shell, it is your ping problem. When you fired, the server side turret position didn't match your turret position, now it uses the server side position instead so you missed

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 4:40 PM

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i dont said ghots shell

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 4:40 PM

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@weary carbon because there’s zero incentive not because of the Tiger 2 😂

wind flower Dec 28, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Thoughts on Ferdinand when compared to T28 and AT-15 @quick lichen

quick lichen Dec 28, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Jpanther 2 easily

weary carbon Dec 28, 2019, 5:03 PM

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@wind flower Ferdinand is AMAZING if you know how to play it

distant river Dec 28, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Ferd is nothing compared to the JPII, and the tiger 2 is definitely OP 🤦‍♀️

wind flower Dec 28, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Pls explain because everyone can pen me when i m in Ferdinand @weary carbon @weary carbon

weary carbon Dec 28, 2019, 5:14 PM

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@wind flower you must angle with it
@distant river Tiger II is good, but when you know how to play againist it, its easy to kill it ;).

distant river Dec 28, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Just because one person can kill it in a 1v1 (not easily but hey) it doesn't mean it isn't OP 🤦‍♀️

spark star Dec 28, 2019, 5:42 PM

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please give the Foch its top weakspots back, its dumb op at any range

dry heron Dec 28, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Can somebody say something about the realoadtimer from the VK 100.01 P, 14 SECONDS for 300 damage!! You literally can’t win against a Tier 7 tank and he is a Tier 8 TANK?!?

visual turtle Dec 28, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Can we do something about the pz2 at least boost the damage up to 50-55 because it went from good to worst tank in game

formal bane Dec 28, 2019, 6:06 PM

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...

regal grove Dec 28, 2019, 6:07 PM

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@dry heron how about you upgrade the tank....? Duh
Lol all low tiers were nerfed so all of them are “worst tanks in the game”
60 km/h Grille day 13

dry heron Dec 28, 2019, 6:13 PM

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@regal grove then 15 seconds for 400 damage, wow... and it’s still bad

brisk lily Dec 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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460*

regal grove Dec 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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^ big difference
People like u r funny “omg 2k damage in Mauschen u suck”
DUDE
ITS NOT MEANT FOR DISHING DAMAGE

valid mauve Dec 28, 2019, 7:12 PM

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When tournaments come back¿?

celest marlin Dec 28, 2019, 7:17 PM

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#tourneys-discussion ??

ivory fractal Dec 28, 2019, 7:44 PM

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@oblique trench English only please

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@valid mauve but please use #tourneys-discussion next time

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lost mesa Dec 28, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Why did Foch even get a autoloader? The shit is broken
Have the highest wr and they are buffing it again by giving it faster reload 🤦‍♂️

@exotic sparrow should of just changed the alpha damage and made it slower no need for rof buff

exotic sparrow Dec 28, 2019, 8:05 PM

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@lost mesa stop crying please, it is not a buff, is it a nerf you moron.

latent snow Dec 28, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Yeah they made it so it cant clip out tanks like the grille with HE.

lost mesa Dec 28, 2019, 8:16 PM

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That's not gonna change the fact the tank will still be over powered, as it has a front armor similar to E3 and and is just as fast as mediums... Where's the balance in that?

exotic sparrow Dec 28, 2019, 8:42 PM

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@lost mesa armor similar to E3, what are talking about?? Have you ever seen these 2 tanks...? You can pen foch fronatally with HEAT from tier X heavies, but you have hit a tiny cupola on E3 that is nowhere near "similar", but yeah tell more bullshit things like this... 😆

noble siren Dec 28, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Can they fix shit like this, I couldn't pen the sides of Is7 3 times in row from 90° shot with my Wz121 I know it's a Russian bias but still it cost my carry of the game and Master class

chilly crane Dec 28, 2019, 8:49 PM

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buff t34 2 its so bad

round sundial Dec 28, 2019, 8:57 PM

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T-34-2 is great but hard to play @chilly crane

mellow cape Dec 28, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Yes, its really good once you get the hang of it
It basically is peek a boom, you wait for someone to shoot or pull out around a corner when you are unspotted, use your superb aim time to quickly put in a shot and then go back into hiding

indigo knot Dec 28, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Actually Foch needs the nerf to armour....
They should have had kept the clip reload same after the alpha nerf but they didn't do that and Heat alpha is similar (545) no nerf was seen on the open test...Foch deserved more nerf
In pub games where less gold is fired you can yolo on a medium or some heavy and win the engagement unscathed

formal vale Dec 28, 2019, 9:12 PM

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I'd say that the Foch needs its weakspots nerfed back to what they were previously. I'm entirely fine with it having a good frontal plate so long as it isn't braindead easy to play. Removing weakspots is just a bad idea and idk why WG thought it would help the game in any way to buff the Foch's weakspots.

solemn dagger Dec 28, 2019, 9:17 PM

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I want the reload of the t67 to be normal again. It used to be like 3.6 seconds

lost mesa Dec 28, 2019, 9:40 PM

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@exotic sparrow a experienced player will load gold and pen the front armor, however don't forget that 95% are not 60%+ or even experienced and will struggle against it hence the reason it has such high win rate, it got speed, armor + the autoloader which can easily put a tier 10 heavy tank on low hp and even clip off some tier 9s and tier 10 tanks like grille. All of that with no trade off.
This is just like fv back when it when was new, anyone could hide behind a bush deal 4k game every game until it got nerfed..

And if you call this balanced then you are living under a rock or just doesn't want it nerfed because you're playing it every single game

orchid grove Dec 28, 2019, 9:40 PM

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They should just strip the 155mm autoloader from the Foch, and replace it with a 4 shell version of the 50 B gun, and also remove all the armor buffs they gave it too

exotic sparrow Dec 28, 2019, 11:02 PM

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@lost mesa
Look you don't understand what you are talking about. I'm not saying that foch isnt strong, I just don't think it is OP. And the last thing I wasn't saying that foch isnt strong, I was just saying that you are dumb as hell, because you are seeing the issue only black and white, plus you said he would get Buffed, but WG is taking the alpha away, exactly because of the reason that you are crying here about. So after the NERF (not BUFF), it will have some armor, bc nobody has problem loading prem these days (ofc you will find people who don't...), but it will not be able to clip any tanks anymore. So why are crying here????

regal grove Dec 28, 2019, 11:07 PM

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If they can make the rangefinder easily pennable again I’ll have no problem with it

latent snow Dec 28, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Whenever I see a Foch I just switch to prammo, Foch has a nice flat frontal plate that prammo can eat

dense yoke Dec 28, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Buff the Amx m4 45?

unique scaffold Dec 28, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Hmm 90mm with higher alpha then 90mms yeah no only lekpz can have it

iron hearth Dec 28, 2019, 11:54 PM

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and t26e5

dense yoke Dec 29, 2019, 1:02 AM

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why everyone hates amx m4 45 buff so sad

harsh ravine Dec 29, 2019, 1:41 AM

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it’s a Tiger 1 with a better gun and gun depression

drifting depot Dec 29, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Except it can't even sidescrape and is hella slow for such armor ._.

near warren Dec 29, 2019, 3:48 AM

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5yrs of blitz and people still complain cause they cant AIM

lost mesa Dec 29, 2019, 3:48 AM

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@exotic sparrow they are nerfing the alpha damage but at the same time, buffing the rof which brings the dpm back to about where it is right now. That isn't enough, it will still out perform almost every tds while being fast as a medium in terms of top speed and acceleration, and on top of that, it also has one of the best camo ratings out of all tier 10 tds.

You don't think the tank is OP? Then explain the jump in wr from update 6.1 where it was sitting at 58% similar to other tds, to update 6.2 where it all of sudden was sitting at almost 63% wr, above all of tanks in tier 10.
Did everyone suddenly get really good or what?

unique scaffold Dec 29, 2019, 6:49 AM

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@exotic sparrow have some respect before cursing a person, not everyone is as 'good' as you. Actually no, you're not even good after i checked ur stats so you might aswell even shut up lol, are you actually saying that the foch is not OP? Man you are a living under a rock. Having amazing armor, gun, and speed, and an autoloader that can two shot a lot of tanks with HE, is extremely stupid. Have a bit of respect for others. <@&481447501690568709>

nimble zodiac Dec 29, 2019, 7:19 AM

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it's not necessarily a nerf to the gun when the alpha goes down but the DPM compensates

gusty geyser Dec 29, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Buff grille

full token Dec 29, 2019, 7:46 AM

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They are buffing camo on it next update

gusty geyser Dec 29, 2019, 9:43 AM

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I hope grille camo after shooting is 40%

indigo meadow Dec 29, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Thats scary

jade cargoBOT Dec 29, 2019, 10:45 AM

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dynoSuccess YG_Scafa [CZPRE]#9645 has been warned.

unique scaffold Dec 29, 2019, 11:17 AM

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The pramo dmp is going to be op on the foch

noble siren Dec 29, 2019, 11:38 AM

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Just nerf the armor on Fochs because it's broken it doesn't have weak spots and the lower plate is like 20/80 to hit

proven ocean Dec 29, 2019, 12:13 PM

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The armor is literally useless if your enemy fires gold...
Even when I angle they just pen me.

round sundial Dec 29, 2019, 12:19 PM

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@proven ocean You are wrong.

mellow cape Dec 29, 2019, 12:22 PM

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@proven ocean You can angle the foch against meds in a way that they cant pen your front anywhere (except the rangefinder and hatch) even with gold

coarse harness Dec 29, 2019, 12:27 PM

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If you angle they will pen you behind the tracks
I played yesterday and more and more people shoot there

Let's see how the reworked gun perform first

tawny sail Dec 29, 2019, 12:33 PM

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For the millionth time. The foch's armour isn't the problem, that's actually farm from it. It's the burst damage that is. And that will change with the alpha rework, making the tank focused on dpm and not masive amounts of burst damage.

latent snow Dec 29, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Im really just surprised how many people had never heard of the 2 key

round sundial Dec 29, 2019, 1:51 PM

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WZ120 FT is also pennable by pramo, does it make it any less OP?

exotic sparrow Dec 29, 2019, 2:49 PM

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@tawny sail thank you, finally somebody who understand how the tank works...

indigo knot Dec 29, 2019, 3:02 PM

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@round sundial u forgot Tiger2 .....pennable by premium rounds
And Foch155 and Tiger2 ....they are OP...
Stats by WG prove that ....

exotic sparrow Dec 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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@round sundial
That's a bit different... You have to have some perspective..

quick lichen Dec 29, 2019, 3:13 PM

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@tawny sail you could argue the other problem is that the single shot gun is just worse in almost every way and should never be used

unique scaffold Dec 29, 2019, 3:29 PM

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@indigo knottiger 2 have bad single dmg and speed so if you nerf armor it would be impossible to get e100

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Lol what?

celest marlin Dec 29, 2019, 3:59 PM

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xD

quick lichen Dec 29, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Error 404: logic not found

indigo knot Dec 29, 2019, 4:37 PM

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@unique scaffold I got my E100 before Tiger2 buff.... lol

unique scaffold Dec 29, 2019, 4:37 PM

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did tiger 2 get a buff ?

jade cargoBOT Dec 29, 2019, 6:32 PM

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dynoSuccess tamplar11#4993 was muted

unique scaffold Dec 29, 2019, 7:43 PM

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@unique scaffold I mean 300 average damage isn’t bad it’s sorta speedy for heavies

quick lichen Dec 29, 2019, 7:55 PM

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310*

unique scaffold Dec 29, 2019, 8:07 PM

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@quick lichenisnt that upgraded gun

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blitz should show how many one shot kills happen in a game

quick lichen Dec 29, 2019, 11:14 PM

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@proven ocean what does that have to do with tank balance?

unique scaffold Dec 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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when will at8 get buff ? its in 6.7 right ?
or i heard it wrong

nimble zodiac Dec 30, 2019, 12:27 AM

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it just needs less weakspots, and maybe a faster reload

unique scaffold Dec 30, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Can we get a little buff for the type 64. IMop needs to be more players on the green team. Is it me we never have enough.

copper vapor Dec 30, 2019, 2:16 AM

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I'm honestly dying to know, I know this isn't about balance but, do people still have the old tier ones after update 5.5, seriously, I mean I can't access my old account that I think has them on there, so can I get a little bit of information on this topic, pls?

mellow cape Dec 30, 2019, 2:31 AM

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@copper vapor no, they were completely removed from the game, no one has them now

copper vapor Dec 30, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Oh ok, thank you for the information, now I'm not gonna go crazy

lilac venture Dec 30, 2019, 10:24 AM

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My suggestion is nerf foch 155 magazine reload to about 30 second without changing the alpha, small alpha is ridiculos for such a big gun TANK DESTROYER, this one isnt a light tank, also nerf the cupola, that is it. Thanks WG !

latent snow Dec 30, 2019, 10:52 AM

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This is satire right?

cobalt berry Dec 30, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Rip foch

quick lichen Dec 30, 2019, 2:10 PM

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So you’re suggesting a foch with less than 4 rounds a minute?

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🤦🏼‍♂️ next

still thicket Dec 30, 2019, 4:15 PM

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@near warren such a hilariously True statement on one of the most important part of the game. Me I’d rather die than miss my hit rate would be higher if it wasn’t for the occasional bouts of ghost shots and rng which I consider to be just part of the mechanics of the the game any way

hollow blaze Dec 30, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Lets give Foch 60sek reload to make sure its balanced

visual turtle Dec 30, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Rip Foch then

bitter ravine Dec 30, 2019, 4:54 PM

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KV-2 is fine as it is

unique scaffold Dec 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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@mellow capei saw some people have ms-1

full token Dec 30, 2019, 5:37 PM

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They can’t have it in their garage anymore

jagged crescent Dec 30, 2019, 6:43 PM

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The only weak spot I know is the Foch's lower glacis and thats when I'm too stingy for gold rounds (on my e100, 271 AP pen SHOULD be enough). For some reason, I just can't pen the View Finder on thing lmao

night grail Dec 30, 2019, 7:10 PM

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I recommend instead of posting constant nerfs here, put some buffs in. Such as improving the tiger 1 armour.

minor olive Dec 30, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Tiger 2 sort of makes up for that doesn’t it? @night grail

night grail Dec 30, 2019, 7:20 PM

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So it should have more armour @minor olive It’s a tier 8 tank you numpty.

Every time I try to side scrape, heavily angle my tiger 1 tank, it always seems the enemies penetrate, I would slightly buff that plate where the radio operator sits. It’s a big weak point, 100mm won’t cut it at tier 7. Don’t bother to buff lower plate/engine area as it will make it too strong. Rest is ok at best.

minor olive Dec 30, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Honestly, I don’t know if it really can be buffed. At tier 7 most if not all people switch to use all ammo types. The way I see it is higher pen ammo will pretty much nullify any benefit

unique scaffold Dec 30, 2019, 7:25 PM

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@night grail u know that it is getting buffed next update right? do your research before writing paragraphs

queen mason Dec 30, 2019, 7:34 PM

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The 30 b could use a gun handling buff, it’s already amazing and I love it but the gun is a little problem for it.

distant river Dec 30, 2019, 7:35 PM

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@night grail It's almost as if the tiger is a heavium that had good speed and a great gun to make up for it's armour...

night grail Dec 30, 2019, 7:40 PM

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If it’s a heavium then it fails at being as a heavy to be able to reliably bounce shots, and trades, as a medium it fails as it lacks speed it can’t go with the mediums. @distant river

So it just fails at both aspects

distant river Dec 30, 2019, 7:47 PM

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So 15hp/t and 44km/h isn't fast enough for you? Stop expecting it to be a heavy or a medium, it's a mix of both, and it does well at both but not the best in class

night grail Dec 30, 2019, 8:15 PM

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@distant river That is top speed. It doesn’t run with the medium tanks, that is top speed, the highest it can get. Medium tanks are way higher than this. It is not fast

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gray heath Dec 30, 2019, 8:19 PM

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do crew exp booster decrease the time it takes for tank mastery?

distant river Dec 30, 2019, 8:20 PM

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It's not as fast as a med but it has a much much better gun to make up for it, and if you angle right it will get more bounce. That is what a heavium is @night grail

opal mist Dec 30, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Medium tanks dont really go fast like a light tank and the tiger 1 Is fine the way it is.

flat stag Dec 30, 2019, 9:56 PM

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one small thought bout smasher.... just make it a tier VIII tank!!! no balancing- buffs or nerfs - needed, just let it play with and against real opponents in higher tiers.. 🧐

grand pulsar Dec 30, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I approve this msg 👆

karmic steeple Dec 30, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Pretty ridiculous that it’s playing against tier 6 tanks

meager spruce Dec 30, 2019, 10:45 PM

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@gray heath yes, if you are talking about getting a <100% crew to 100%

dense yoke Dec 30, 2019, 11:57 PM

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is3 buff