#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 144

eager stump Oct 7, 2019, 2:43 PM

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you can't circle a Tiger II or if then is it very hard

mellow cape Oct 7, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Tiger II has 55 degrees of total traverse speed on medium terrain, no heavy can circle you (especially russian heavy) with that kind of traverse speed

acoustic shard Oct 7, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Not a complete circle but a Half circle which is all you need to plaster yourself to the side of a tank and stay there untill the tank die's.

indigo knot Oct 7, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Side hug is something that can be done...I don't think that is much difficult

crisp palm Oct 7, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Foch 155 needs more armor🙏

rose blaze Oct 7, 2019, 4:05 PM

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@crisp palm boi u crazy

crisp palm Oct 7, 2019, 4:09 PM

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That's a possibility

ivory fractal Oct 7, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@crimson barn don’t name and shame here. Please send a ticket to WoT Blitz support with the evidence.

orchid grove Oct 7, 2019, 4:39 PM

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IS-7 needs a buff; It was passable in the past, but these past 4 balance charts have shown that IS-7 has really fallen behind. It's consistently had the lowest average damage of all non-TDs, and also the 4th lowest winrate.

If you ask me, a slight gun handling buff to .16/.16, 200 extra HP, and a 10mm front hull buff could really do wonders for it to keep it competitive against the IS-4 and 113

round sundial Oct 7, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Well that doesn't solve the biggest problem, which is terrible APCR pen. I think if you gave the IS7 the same 340 pen HEAT other T10 heavies get, it would become great again

Yeah, I understand @orchid grove . I don't have time to think about a complex solution for this problem, this is obviously the first thing that popped in my mind

orchid grove Oct 7, 2019, 4:54 PM

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@round sundial When you balance tanks by buffing weaknesses and nerfing strengths, that's how you get a game that lacks variety where everything feels more or less the same.

I believe it's usually better to buff strengths and nerf weaknesses instead

stoic light Oct 7, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Yea is7 could use a real buff, cause rn is4 and 113 are better in almost every aspect. I think the t110e4 could also use a amour buff in the turret. Coupola/cheeks

scenic lotus Oct 7, 2019, 5:07 PM

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The T-34-3 needs either one of two things.

A buff to its AP pen (175 pen on a 12.8 second reload is way too weak for a Tier 8 medium. Even the IS tanks get better treatment.)

A reload time decrease for more DPM.

autumn zodiac Oct 7, 2019, 5:12 PM

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It got a DPM buff recently, with such a large gun it can trade with heavy tanks.

It can also slice through armor like butter with the HEAT if you are brawling with other mediums you are doing it wrong.

Given its super short aim time you are better fighting at medium-long range, and hiding the hull. It's enough DPM for a large caliber, if it gets more DPM eventually we have a Charioteer on our hands again.

stoic light Oct 7, 2019, 5:13 PM

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^ you are not supposed to play it like an average medium, it’s a heavyum

sage geyser Oct 7, 2019, 5:15 PM

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175mm pen is not enough at tier 8

orchid grove Oct 7, 2019, 5:17 PM

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175 pen is perfectly fine. As long as you're not trying to pen heavily armored tanks in the front, it's more than enough. If you're relying on it to be able to pen heavily armored tanks in the front, you're doing it wrong.

And also, the thing has 270mm HEAT pen, which will melt through the front of anything it'll face anyway

scenic lotus Oct 7, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I never bounce with it though. The turret is decently good but your hull gets destroyed by anything with 90mm armor and a weak lower plate. Sure, hull down yadda, but there isn't a lot of places that works when you only have what, 5 degrees of depression? 💀

Dunno. The accuracy and the pen are probably the most frustrating parts about it.

I usually don't like having to spend an extra 3k a shot just to be viable in a fight against a Tiger's cupola lol

stoic light Oct 7, 2019, 5:23 PM

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It’s a premium tier 8 why are u worried about credits? Shooting premium ammo is part of the game. I think it could use a slight aim time buff though from what I’ve seen

formal vale Oct 7, 2019, 5:32 PM

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The only things I would buff on the IS-7 are the reload and the premium penetration. It has a relatively high caliber gun, so the poor gun handling is to be expected. I think a slight dpm buff and premium penetration buff would allow the tank to contend with the WZ-113 a lot more. I'm still of the opinion that the IS-4 needs a slight armor nerf on the sides as that's really what's keeping it above the IS-7 when you take the buffs I proposed into consideration.

scenic lotus Oct 7, 2019, 5:35 PM

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That's not the point I'm trying to get at. I don't want to rely so much on grossly high pen shells that do less damage. You're getting out DPM'd by tier 8 heavies already, you have to be particularly careful with your shots and it just sucks relying so much on gold ammo, premium or not.

indigo knot Oct 7, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I would prefer the gun handling buff on IS7 and Turret buff and well a bit upper front hull buff

I would also love to see E100 buffed too.... buffing a bit of turret armour and more HP

And VK7201k too..... Buffing DPM same as E100

orchid grove Oct 7, 2019, 5:39 PM

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The way I see it, what should differentiate IS-7 from IS-4 is that the IS-4 is the more heavily armored, defensive tank of the two; whereas the IS-7's superior mobility and larger gun makes it better for aggressive play; and compared against the 113, the IS-7 should be more durable, and more efficient at soaking hits, while be less efficient at dealing damage

The problem is that currently, IS-7 simply doesn't have that much more armor/HP than a 113 (which is why I think a 10mm armor buff would fix this, as well as 200 more HP). And compared with the IS-4, a gun handling buff would give IS-7 more efficiency in that offensive role, and also help compensate for the lack of pen by making it easier to hit weakspots. (And also, I would nerf down IS-4's mobility by a fair amount, to make it more like a superheavy)

If you just balance it by nerfing IS-4's armor down and buffing IS-7's pen up, you're just making the 2 tanks more similar in role/playstyle, which is honestly kinda dumb, since by stuffing the tanks into the same niche, you're ensuring one tank will have to be better than the other in that niche

drifting depot Oct 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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@acoustic shard your trash definition of the tiger 2 is that the armor was ez pen isn't it, that's the only bad thing it had imo

@orchid grove basically you want to kill the is4 wich is ok as it is rn, and unnecessarily buff the is7? You know, it's an absolute pain grinding the kv3 to the kv4, and the kv4 is an absolute death grinding from stock, 175mm of pen at tier 8 with the avg speed close to a tog's, same goes for the st1, you have the wholesome is line wich helps a lot to familiarize with your armor profiles till you get to the is7 :/, if it needs a buff, I would give it slightly less dispersion and take like 0.8 or 1 sec off the reload

karmic steeple Oct 7, 2019, 7:50 PM

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What does the tech tree line have to do with how the tanks are balanced? And the is4 can go 40km/hr while boasting super heavy armor it probably could use a speed nerf

orchid grove Oct 7, 2019, 8:00 PM

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@drifting depot IS-4 has continously boasted the 2nd best wr of all tier 10 heavies, and good damage per battle numbers, and up until recently has dominated the tier 10 competitive meta as well (and still continues to play a crucial role). It simply has too much armor (being practically impenetrable in the turret, and has an extremely troll hull) and for the armor profile, it's too fast.

Also, the stock grinds in a line should have nothing to do with how the top tier tank is balanced, because that makes absolutely 0 sense.

As for the IS-7, the IS-7 has one of the lowest winrates of the tier X heavies, and the worst damage per battle by a long shot. You'd be hard pressed to find a single player who thinks the IS-7 isn't underpowered.

nimble zodiac Oct 7, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Gotta say, I don’t enjoy the IS-7 that much, it’s not a pleasant fit to any role other than to hulldown as much as possible or sometimes use the speed

noble siren Oct 7, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I thought Is4 was good only because of the good reload time and the RNG armor on the front. And Is 7 still has the same RNG armor, also has impenetrable top of the turret (like is4). Nerf the Is4 if you want it's stupidly OP but buffing Is7 seems to be not necessary considering it has only lfp as a weak spot.

charred bobcat Oct 7, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Is7 has more than just a weak lower plate. 😂 Autopen viewport, pennable cheeks, and the pikenose isnt even that strong. Also armor is not a number randomly generated lol.

haughty wyvern Oct 7, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Just saying, should buff sturer Emil.

indigo knot Oct 7, 2019, 9:18 PM

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E100 also needs buff....turret armour buff and HP buff too

noble siren Oct 7, 2019, 9:32 PM

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@charred bobcat if the tank facing Is7 isn't tall the only pennable place is the lower plate, shooting somewhere on the turret is useless. For WG realism is not a real thing lol so yes, armor is just something equal to balance.

noble siren Oct 7, 2019, 9:49 PM

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If you are complaining about how "weak" is Is7's armor go back to Is3 lol😂😂😂

stoic light Oct 7, 2019, 9:56 PM

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he wants tier 10 not tier 8 lol

scenic lotus Oct 7, 2019, 10:16 PM

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I wish the T-34-3 had armor to make up for its atrocious DPM.
It's got the same DPM of the 252U but less pen, less damage per shot, but it's speedy-ish and aim time is okay I guess?
Dunno, would rather drive a Type 59 over this thing if I had to pick. It's just way too underwhelming. Maybe switch out the AP for APCR and buff the hull for a proper medieavy? 🍆

dusky oxide Oct 7, 2019, 10:29 PM

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I dont find it lacking the armor departmwnt but the power/weight could be a lot better and allow for a way to control engagements without good dpm.

scenic lotus Oct 7, 2019, 10:35 PM

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T-44 and a good amount of most equal match tanks have better hull armor and can pen mine but I can't pen them without resorting to HEAT, which I hate having to do. It needs something.

autumn zodiac Oct 7, 2019, 11:08 PM

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T-44 doesn't have HEAT.

T-44 has a punchy gun, it should be fighting other mediums but trading with them given other tech tree meds have better rates of fire but significantly worse alpha.

280 vs. 220/225/190 is a notable difference after a short amount of time. The only thing that makes it a bit awkward to deal with when driving it is the ammo rack under the front left drive wheel. Aside from that it's very mobile, sports average view Range for same tier mediums, and a very accurate gun for its size and 7° of gun depression.

In terms of Camouflage it only gets best out by 2 same tier tech trees, which are STA-1 and T-34-2 both if which are much weaker than the T-44

charred bobcat Oct 7, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Balance of a tank at one tier has nothing to do with a tank of a different tier. I only play tier 10 and mostly at the highest levels in tournaments, but that's besides the point. 🤷
The lower plate is a weak spot for every tank but with the is7, you can't angle it much or you lose the pike nose effectiveness. You can hide the lower plate, but most heavies at tier 10 can pen the is7's upper plate at ease. Let's not forget about those turret cheeks that can be penned by any tier 10 premium round.
IMO, is7 needs a slight buff to the pike nose and some better gun stats.
Just take a look at graphs of pub stats and usage in tournaments. Is7 is clearly lagging behind. @noble siren

formal vale Oct 7, 2019, 11:44 PM

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One thing's for sure, the E100 should not get a buff. The only thing that it might need is a turret buff, but that would take away the skill element of using the tank, imo. Considering the way WG has been buffing German tanks as of late, they would 100% over-do it. The German heavy tanks used to be very skill-based tanks (talking about the Tiger II and VK36), but now they're just insanely easy to play. I would rather not see the E100 become better than it already is, as it is already really well balanced.

drifting depot Oct 7, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Well if wg buffed the turret then, no weak spots when hiding the lower plate, said weak spot being the cheeks wich need pramo unless you're using a td, and just by angling that giant box it's hella hard to pen even with pramo

harsh ravine Oct 7, 2019, 11:57 PM

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let’s be honest, the turret roof buff to the IS-4 is what made it helped the most

turbid gulch Oct 8, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Could the recharge time on the wz-111 be lowered?

formal bane Oct 8, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Could we put in fact that the T71 has a better penetrating tier 6 gun then the M41 bulldogs tier 7 gun

mortal granite Oct 8, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@formal bane I played the T71 before it was cool😎 but yeah statistically T71 is better but people prefer to have speed over a better well rounded tank that can do alot with very little

drifting depot Oct 8, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Hmm at least the t71 is harder to use he on than the bulldog, still kinda easy but harder

latent snow Oct 8, 2019, 5:27 AM

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AP as standard ammo on vindicator pls, it can’t pen tracks straight on

drifting depot Oct 8, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Well, I guess it's a drawback for having that ability to block tons of damage, same goes for the gun depression

autumn zodiac Oct 8, 2019, 6:46 AM

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It doesn't block that much damage, the lower half of the blade isn't spaced armor, and it has a cupola

flat bane Oct 8, 2019, 6:53 AM

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The Vindivator does not block a lot of damage at all

indigo knot Oct 8, 2019, 6:58 AM

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E100 turret can only bounce upto 340 heat pen shells with the so called skill of angling you mentioned.....More than 340 it doesn't matter how you angle you will get penned one way or the other....the lower plate is huge and its the size of the house

formal vale Oct 8, 2019, 7:14 AM

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@indigo knot wiggle, it makes it harder to hit weak spots. Like I said, I wouldn't be opposed to a small turret buff, but WG has had a tendency to over-buff the German tech tree as of late, so I'm really just hoping they leave the E100 alone for now.

Edit: Response to below - The Pershing doesnt need better dpm, but rather better penetration and power to weight. Make the tank more flexible and reliable before just upping its damage output @clever aspen

clever aspen Oct 8, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Pershing reload buff pls. Its worse than the T20

autumn zodiac Oct 8, 2019, 7:38 AM

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T-15 is looking a little rough around the edges... It can hardly pen anything let alone do damage with APCR

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random bear Oct 8, 2019, 7:40 AM

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Fight Dracula vs St. Emil
I think the dracula will feel underpowered
Therefore, Dracula needs to be Buffed

eager stump Oct 8, 2019, 8:39 AM

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E100 doesn't need a buff.
Take 340-390* dmg and give back 640

*Premium ammo

ember mountain Oct 8, 2019, 9:48 AM

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I always feel underpowered in my T25 skoda tier V tank when in tier VI battle(uptiered)im okay eith penatration boost(130mm pen would of been good) the turret and hull traverse is ok with me i mastered the traverse but the pen is just bsd the reload and dmg is ok its only the penetration pls buff.

rose blaze Oct 8, 2019, 1:22 PM

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@ember mountain try using the derp gun in the scavenger against tier 6s

ember mountain Oct 8, 2019, 1:24 PM

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@rose blaze i dont have scavenger :/

odd sandal Oct 8, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Kv1 derp gun*

drifting depot Oct 8, 2019, 1:57 PM

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^as Long as it pens wich is hella hard

lucid lily Oct 8, 2019, 2:22 PM

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add the M1 or we riot

rose blaze Oct 8, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Bring back 5.5 tanks

nimble zodiac Oct 8, 2019, 3:33 PM

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@rose blaze you can restore every tank with their sale price (but costs 110% if in credits) in gold. The only tanks you can’t get are the original tier Is and tanks you haven’t owned yet, let’s get to vehicle discussion

rose blaze Oct 8, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I did but the fact that these tanks are so hard to get kills diversity jn tier 5 and 6

compact dew Oct 8, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Руб

smoky quiver Oct 8, 2019, 4:55 PM

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any chance at balancing the Panther 2...it so weak compared to tier 8 and tier 9

round sundial Oct 8, 2019, 4:58 PM

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No, it's been consistently the worst T8 by stats and still WG overlooks it, buffing much better performing tanks like Tiger 2 instead🤷 🤦

sage geyser Oct 8, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Tiger 2 doesn't need buff, now it can bounce everything except gold and isu152 without angling

nimble zodiac Oct 8, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Didn’t need a buff that big

formal vale Oct 8, 2019, 5:30 PM

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The only thing I'd do to the Panther II is buff the upper plate. Make it more like the E50 but at tier 8. The gun is alright and the turret is fine.

distant river Oct 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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The devs only ever respond in #tourneys-discussion (despite there being 3 other channels under "chat with devs"

past flame Oct 8, 2019, 7:21 PM

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lets tagg rexy, think he will be happy 😂😂 ( think not)

gentle finch Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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121 is balanced right now. Give it another buff and it crosses that line....

formal vale Oct 8, 2019, 8:00 PM

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@past flame it's like 10mm less. That's not a lot when you're comparing 300 with 290 pen...

oblique mason Oct 8, 2019, 8:22 PM

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the teams and players need to be balanced.

drifting depot Oct 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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I think some people want it buffed because they compare it an awful lot to the Russian meds or the Leo 1 :/

odd sandal Oct 8, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Well if u play through it which shouldn't be that bad, you get rewarded with 2 super good mediums, answering the panther 2 question

round sundial Oct 8, 2019, 8:55 PM

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It's true, but that doesn't change the fact that panther 2 is the worst medium in T8 in about all stats and even in game, the difference between it and,say a T44 is incredibly apparent. The only good point of Panther 2 is good gun handling and perhaps ramming potential, but everything else is outclassed by pretty much every medium tank in t8

nimble zodiac Oct 8, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Panther II is only good for Mad Games given a rammer rig. It’s a bullet sponge that can’t soak up much, I think it needs a buff

rancid orchid Oct 9, 2019, 1:22 AM

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i feel like Obj. 704 could use a little mobility buff and maybe a few extra mm of armor

nimble zodiac Oct 9, 2019, 1:26 AM

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No no, I love Obj, it’s very capable, heck you can sidescrape at times and use some troll side armor if they shoot at the side pike

stoic light Oct 9, 2019, 1:27 AM

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yea it does not need a buff currently

brisk lily Oct 9, 2019, 1:27 AM

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You know what does Grille

twin egret Oct 9, 2019, 2:13 AM

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#BuffTheGrill

languid whale Oct 9, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Nerf the Foch 155s Autoloader pen and buff it's single shot gun maybe more alpha to compensate for the slightly higher reload than other tanks in it's tier?

formal vale Oct 9, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Give it actual weakspots on the front maybe?

mellow cape Oct 9, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Yes, those buffs to the weakspots were pointless and they should go back to how they were.

Obj 704 does not need any buffs or nerfs, its balanced.

Leopard 1 and T110E4 are tanks that I would like to see buffed.

formal vale Oct 9, 2019, 4:28 AM

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The E4 might benefit from a gun handling buff. The Leopard seems ok to me. I've really only been hearing people complain about its aim time, so that would probably be the only thing I would buff on it.

thick rover Oct 9, 2019, 4:59 AM

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@mellow cape Yeeee leo 1

indigo knot Oct 9, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Leo1 needs buff .....turret traverse, soft stats(turret rotation dispersion and hull rotation dispersion) and aim time buff to atleast 2.4 sec fully equipped......

Wz120....it needs gun depression buff from 3 to 5 degree

LEO Pta needs DPM buff kinda same as Type61 nd gun depression buff atleast 7 degree

Grille needs traverse, top speed, backward speed buff and gun depression to 8 deg(its such a tall tank with no gun depression)... could do a little better with more penetration on standard rounds and premium rounds(290 and 360)..... Not touching Camo rating as everyone will camp and remain unspotted while using that uber accurate gun just like what was the case with pre nerfed 183.....

thick rover Oct 9, 2019, 5:12 AM

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@indigo knot While I won't complain about what you want to bring to the grille some people will definitely think it will be OP, so idk maybe buff a few aspects

mellow cape Oct 9, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Grille should just get a camo buff tbh, it's fine otherwise, the only downside of grille is the poor camo

formal vale Oct 9, 2019, 5:19 AM

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I would personally add a reverse speed buff to that camo buff.

noble siren Oct 9, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Guys I don't know about you but the leo has a lazer gun. Can't understand why people complain about it when I NEVER MISS or hit place which I didn't want. So buffing the gun or the turret traverse is kinda useless and non reasonable. I would like to see some armor around the gun just like on Progetto ( the tier10 ) or something similar to it.

eager stump Oct 9, 2019, 5:23 AM

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you don't need armor you need mobility.
Armor is useless

round sundial Oct 9, 2019, 5:30 AM

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You have any idea how much stronger tank with troll turret is compared to a tank with legit no turret armour? That would be a huge huge boost for Leo if it got a troll turret.

And a bad decision. There are medium tanks with consistently worse stats than Leo. If anything, meds in general could use some buff, because their general stats are worse than other tank classes

indigo knot Oct 9, 2019, 5:33 AM

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263 has better mobility and troll armour while maintaining good mobility(better than Grille) and 4005 while not having amour has 10deg of gun depression has those special consumables

The thing is if you buff the camo with Grille it will become a fan favourite to sit near redline and farm using that accurate gun with great shell velocity

@noble siren in Leo1 the fully aimed accuracy is best is in class but the turret traverse is really slow and the soft stats are not as good as 62a and 140 and aim time is 2.8 while even 121b has 2.6 sec fully equipped .....I would like that Leo1 to keep its unique game play and would not like another hull down med

@round sundial Leo1 has been in the bottom 3 since the start of the charts shown....other meds that were in bottom 3 were buffed most of the times(Stb1 Wz121) only T62a and 121b have been accompaning Leo1 consistently in bottom 3

distant river Oct 9, 2019, 5:41 AM

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@mellow cape what it needs is a small buff to depressed and a buff to hull traverse, balenced with a nerf to turret traverse. Giving it more camo just makes it more campy

unique scaffold Oct 9, 2019, 6:01 AM

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I would love to see a leopard buff and if even #devs-answers shows it’s doing bad at least make it superior in the gun for it to do better also it’s late while I’m writing this

round sundial Oct 9, 2019, 6:26 AM

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I always have at least one 70% player in my team, I think I have this protective MM or something🤔 👌

dim field Oct 9, 2019, 6:40 AM

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jaunty pivot Oct 9, 2019, 6:47 AM

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I’m not one to usually to complain about RNG but I am this time I am. According to Armor Inspector this is an impossible shot. It’s just my opinion versus your opinion versus RNG. Is this balanced or am I missing something?
The tracer doesn’t show up in the replay but I made a red dot where it went. I also made the red dot bigger on purpose.

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deft owl Oct 9, 2019, 6:51 AM

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The shot angle is more then you produce in armor inspector. Put replay to armor inspector and see it by yourself.

orchid grove Oct 9, 2019, 6:57 AM

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@jaunty pivot Upload the replay to map inspector; and then map inspector's shot log feature will show you exactly where the shell hit in armor inspector

eager stump Oct 9, 2019, 7:08 AM

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😔 😕

noble siren Oct 9, 2019, 7:37 AM

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@oblique mason i kinda understood that this MM is broken and no-one wants to fix it. So I always do my best and try to carry my team, there is nothing else I can do. @jaunty pivot I saw many times that the tracer of the shot that kills is not always correct so he probably aimed for the turret.

distant river Oct 9, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Ive had tracers from a kill shot that have completely missed me (i had a nice one go through the bridges at mayan ruins once). They arent reliable at all, especially if either of you have bad internet.

willow junco Oct 9, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Man , 183 is so bad right now , I tried to celeb its birthday thingy to get free xp , lost 3 matches in row , Never playing it again until it get buffs

nimble zodiac Oct 9, 2019, 12:18 PM

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You’re surprised to lose 3 matches in a row? Also Grille 15’s camo can have a little present, but I think that’s it. The penetration is great, idk why you want to vaguely shoot, unless you’re arguing for bad accuracy

jade cargoBOT Oct 9, 2019, 12:29 PM

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dynoSuccess runnyGoose#5068 has been warned.

distant river Oct 9, 2019, 12:31 PM

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@willow junco The nerfs have worked then, the less people playing it the better tier 10 will be

noble siren Oct 9, 2019, 1:13 PM

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You saw the new tier Vlll Italian tank? Let's bet that it will be broken as every new tank they make

stuck turret Oct 9, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Will they buff the 122m gun of t44 ever? I mean 17 sec reload is a joke with 3 sec aim time

distant river Oct 9, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Is it meant to be played with the 122? No

Should you be complaining abiut the 122? No

unique scaffold Oct 9, 2019, 1:37 PM

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If you want a medium running a 122 play the 34-2 @stuck turret

distant river Oct 9, 2019, 2:06 PM

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^ Its as if there is literally a tank designed to use it 🤷‍♀️

indigo knot Oct 9, 2019, 2:47 PM

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I think not @noble siren
If it was introduced before the tech tree then it would have been blatantly OP like Wz120gft but now they can use the data from Pantera ...unless they want to make it OP to make good bucks

Or they could make it Pantera level and nerf Pantera....that can happen too.....I personally think Italian autoreloaders are kinda overtuned....to dump a clip and then have the max Dpm on the first shell makes them fexible to reload and then dump clip and take away half of the HP and then trade 1 for 1 ... especially Standard B is kinda too good at its tier when facing tier 8s(where you can even clip out Wz120gft if you roll a tiny bit high)

coarse harness Oct 9, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Pantera is still above avarage and they will make it better cause why not💁🏻‍♂️

stuck turret Oct 9, 2019, 3:54 PM

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When are they nerfing the Italian lines?

crystal spoke Oct 9, 2019, 4:46 PM

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When they announce that they will need them

random bear Oct 9, 2019, 5:25 PM

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My Wz 120 ft can be penned by tier 9 tanks’ prammos ocassionally...ARMOR needs to be BUFFED

charred bobcat Oct 9, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Ok buddy

formal vale Oct 9, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I mean, it is a medium tank, not a heavy...

mellow cape Oct 9, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Yeah and it needs 640 alpha as well dude ISU-152 does 640 @random bear

wise dirge Oct 9, 2019, 7:00 PM

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It needs 4,000 dpm, the charioteer had that

random bear Oct 9, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Exactly...i feel u guys😉

wet quail Oct 9, 2019, 7:23 PM

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@formal vale the tier 8 premium td

formal vale Oct 9, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Ah ok, didn't scroll up. Yeah that needs a buff no doubt :p @wet quail

supple jolt Oct 9, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Yes, 60% wr is far too low

distant river Oct 9, 2019, 8:02 PM

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laughs in kenny *

For anyone interested the foch 155 (that is available to everyone and isnt behind a paywall) still has a 57% WR.

random bear Oct 9, 2019, 8:06 PM

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@distant river i would drive that tank at atleast 3k average dmg...but i dont have it. Bless me

flat bane Oct 9, 2019, 8:13 PM

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The T7 French TD is a pain

unique scaffold Oct 9, 2019, 8:24 PM

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True

formal vale Oct 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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I've heard it's a slightly worse JPanther, not much to write home about but not terrible either.

flat bane Oct 9, 2019, 8:58 PM

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The jpanther is way smaller then it, and has better camo ratings. It also has more armor, hp, pen, view range, and maneuverability. The aiming arc from left to right is also bigger on the JP

formal vale Oct 9, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Again, slightly worse. I guess if they buffed it up to the level of the JPanther it would be fine. The issue is that nobody likes a clone. Maybe make it a little slower but give it a good upper plate (leave the cupola as a weakspot). Everything else should equal that of the JPanther after that.

flat bane Oct 9, 2019, 9:08 PM

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As I said before, the biggest problem with it is the size,armor and HP. The tank needs more HP and a better uppet plate frontly. The gun and maneuverability can stay the same, those aspects are find but the armor and HP needs a small boost. The stuff I said before is more then "slightly worse" in the long run.

round sundial Oct 9, 2019, 9:13 PM

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I don't think it needs any buff right now. Like you said, it's pretty much like a JPanther. There are tanks deserving the buff much more, such as Panther 2. I think that one should get 2600-2700 DPM to it's main gun, then it should be balanced. It'd still be like a RU251 that trades ramming potential for about everything else, but hey, it would be competetive 😄 E: @flat bane You misunderstood me, I said that the tank is not the best, but there are much better candidates for buffing, and not only Panther 2. In fact, I'd even say that it's good for a line to have it's ups and downs. From T8 onwards, the tanks are all excellent to OP

flat bane Oct 9, 2019, 9:19 PM

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It does need a armor and HP buff, you can't just look at the stats of those two tanks and think they are the same. The jp is way smaller and has better camo then the T7. The T7 is way too large and has those massive range finders on top. The armor on JP is much better sloped too.

@round sundial you do know the panther ll is pretty good right now, you did say every line has its ups and downs right? By what you said before that means it's good for the panther ll to be that one down side to get the E50 and E50m. Hopefully you understood that. Also, I was implying to your "I don't think it needs a buff right now"line and provided reasons on why I feel it needed a buff, sorry if you got confused

stoic pebble Oct 9, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Not that the jpanther bounces much anyway but ok. Every line has its trash tanks to encourage free xp use.

flat bane Oct 9, 2019, 9:47 PM

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It can bounce lol, and it's smaller size and better camo values provides a better chance of not getting hit. The better sloped armor and not having massive range finders on top allows it to use all its gun depression and maximize its armor potential .
Some people would perfer to spend their free exp on models. Never the less making a tank "bad" just so you can spend free exp on it is dumb. If you want to skip 1-9 tanks using free exp then go ahead, as long as you have enough gold. 💰 😂

mellow cape Oct 9, 2019, 9:59 PM

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So satisfying to HE jpanther's from the side in tier 8 heavies

flat bane Oct 9, 2019, 10:01 PM

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It's even more satisfying to HE pen it with the KV2, su 152, isu 152, smasher, or any tank that has a 150+mm cannon. Sometimes you can 1 shot it :000

mellow cape Oct 9, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Nah, the entire side is a pen with those tanks. You need to aim in between the tracks and superstructure with lower pen HE guns.

drifting depot Oct 9, 2019, 10:28 PM

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I still want ma kv3 to get a buff :(

wise dirge Oct 9, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Balanced

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eager stump Oct 9, 2019, 11:05 PM

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lol

drifting depot Oct 9, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Oh ye um also, I'm pretty sure the vk 36. 01 H doesn't have the specified armor, only on the lower plate

true wedge Oct 10, 2019, 12:02 AM

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VK 36 01 H has 145mm UFP armor and 100mm LFP armor

drifting depot Oct 10, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Basically it has even more armor than the tiger 1..... And it has more on the sides than the tiger p and tiger 1 (keep in mind the armor profile and that for some reason the tracks make it extremely hard to go through

nimble zodiac Oct 10, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Don’t shoot the tracks but ok, VK is a bit armored too much, but I like it, it never stood out from the other heavies and seemed ‘meh’ until this buff

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Desktop VK36.01 was a beast back in 2012

shy wren Oct 10, 2019, 2:05 AM

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You mean back when it was a medium tank? @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2019, 2:21 AM

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One tank, the Smasher

oblique mason Oct 10, 2019, 3:28 AM

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l got killed by shot behind my rear.

flat bane Oct 10, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Ok

drifting depot Oct 10, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Still think the tier 6 heavy vk is hella op :/, it has even more armor than the kv3 on the upper plate

deft owl Oct 10, 2019, 7:29 AM

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@drifting depot Pz 2 j has more front armor then kv-1.

drifting depot Oct 10, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Pz 2 j doesnt even seem to be on the tech tree so it's kinda obvious why, it's either a collectable or a premium, most likely a collectable, I don't know the tank but Welp who knows

round sundial Oct 10, 2019, 8:48 AM

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Yes, VK36 is a bit broken. Especially when compared to kuro and Tiger 131. It's better in literally every single way with no exception

unique scaffold Oct 10, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Hp

jade cargoBOT Oct 10, 2019, 12:50 PM

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dynoSuccess w1kus#4266 has been warned.

flat stag Oct 10, 2019, 12:58 PM

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tiger II front armour buff is quite broken... no pen in hull and front even with prammo, zero weak spots... why??🙃

coarse harness Oct 10, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Because BALANCE !

Standard B needs lower dmg/shot like 320 or 310

round sundial Oct 10, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Standart B and perhaps Spaghetto need some nerfs I think, they are too good compared to batmobiles and leopards

coarse harness Oct 10, 2019, 2:59 PM

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With it's mobility (the acceleration is pretty sluggish tbh) you can easily get next to the enemy and HESH the hell out of them

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indigo knot Oct 10, 2019, 3:06 PM

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I don't know about progetto but Standard b needs a bit of nerf

craggy osprey Oct 10, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Thoughts?

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meager spruce Oct 10, 2019, 4:02 PM

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MT 25 is OK as it is.

craggy osprey Oct 10, 2019, 4:18 PM

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(2nd worst global average winrate tier6 light) 48-49% winrate. It underperforms a lot to its counterparts @meager spruce @distant river that’s what I’m going off. People playing badly and it’s weaker to every other light. So better players who know how to use it get only semi good win rates. Compared to other vehicles it can’t perform higher in my opinion to a vk28.01. The vk can out dpm, bounce and has around the same mobility plus it can out spot the mt. Plus every player plays stock tanks... I’m going off 50-100 games minimum which means usually at that tier you have the tank almost maxed.

distant river Oct 10, 2019, 4:20 PM

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MT25 is a great tank. 4 shot autoloader makes it unique and interesting to play (8 shot makes it even more fun but that is used less). Its a scout that can spot, clip fast and run away. Its perfectly fine how it is

And if you are playing it with the 76mm gun then you are playing the wrong tank.

meager spruce Oct 10, 2019, 4:22 PM

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That is because many people play it to get Lttb or T54 as they hear both tanks are fun. Therefore more noobish players play the tank meaning the wr goes down. Also a lot of these players don't use free xp to max a tank out so they play it stock for a very long time resulting in a decrease in av. wr

distant river Oct 10, 2019, 4:39 PM

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^ this is one of the other factors

And the 76mm gun is not the gun that is meant to be played. That it why it is a bit worse than othet meds with that gun. With the 57mm it has better dpm than the vk28 by about 100, and the 45mm has 350 better dpm. They also have a clip and so they can play entirely differently to other tanks.

The MT25 has a very high skill ceiling and so it definitely doesnt need a buff. Bad players use the 76mm and try and play it like any other med, and their stats affect that. Good players use the autloaders and play it like the unique tank it is, and so they do well in it. The bad players clearly outweigh the good players so the stats look bad.

orchid grove Oct 10, 2019, 4:55 PM

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@craggy osprey No one plays the MT25 with the 76mm; everyone uses the 57mm

craggy osprey Oct 10, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Why have a 76mm at the top/available when it’s not competitive and a lot worse than other tier 6 lights! And why is it given an option as to use that gun and get the tank or play auto loaders. I’m trying to make a point to buff that gun slightly and increase the tanks stats by a little so there is diversity no.1 and also a better global winrate in the tank. @orchid grove that’s all I’m getting at.

karmic steeple Oct 10, 2019, 5:14 PM

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It is diverse it’s a 4 shot autoloader

indigo knot Oct 10, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Its the same case ....like no-one should play 122mm on T44 similarly you shouldn't play MT25 with 76mm

random bear Oct 10, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I like the mt25 with the 183 mm gun

distant river Oct 10, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@craggy osprey Are you complaining about the SU152 122mm guns? No, because noone uses it. Technically it is the top gun but it is useless. Also you research the 76 and 45mm at the same time, and the 57mm comes after the 45 so that is the top gun 🤦

If you want diversity then you would not want the 76mm to become almost identical to every other 76mm at that tier. You would want it to be worse so people use the autloaders. Funnily enough that is exactly how it is now.

smoky gazelle Oct 10, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Nerf the whole kv series
Actually nerf the whole russians

jade cargoBOT Oct 10, 2019, 7:47 PM

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dynoSuccess Fap#6047 has been warned.

meager spruce Oct 10, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Bud, KV3 and KV4 are soooooo bad in this current meta and you want a nerf for them. Noice

jade cargoBOT Oct 10, 2019, 7:51 PM

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dynoSuccess Fap#6047 was kicked

distant river Oct 10, 2019, 7:57 PM

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KV3 and KV4 arent completely bad tanks if you look at stats, but they do not function at all in games.

winged barn Oct 10, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Kv4 would be fine if it had gun depression

forest heath Oct 10, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Feel like the predator UM needs a bit of love in my opinion, the penetration should get a slight buff from 165 mm of penetration to 170 mm of penetration. All to often I find myself in situations where I can’t even penetrate the cupola of most tier VIII heavy tanks and tank destroyers. The tank is perfectly fine in a tier VII match but really struggles to pull it’s weight at tier VIII. And because of the popularity of tier VIII in general, it frequently gets put into that situation. If for one reason or the other you can’t make this change, please give an explanation as to why. Anyway I hope this at least makes you consider.

obsidian shoal Oct 10, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Predator is prob never gonna be touched since it's collecter status

forest heath Oct 10, 2019, 8:19 PM

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The keni Otsu got changed while in collectors status, why not the predator. And why are they not allowed to change collector tanks in the first place. I payed money for those and they were once premium tanks so same logic should apply

meager spruce Oct 10, 2019, 8:29 PM

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1st of all. Ke Ni Otsu isn't collector. 2nd Collector vehicles are more likely to get to nerfs compared to premium vehicles

distant river Oct 10, 2019, 8:30 PM

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The kenny is still a prem and hasnt been changed 🤦

WG can change what they like, but generally they leave prems alone. They have also not changed anything huge on high tier collectors so its fair to assume they won't change them unless they are in the extremes.

Yeah that's a fair point, i guess WG like having a "unique selling point" that is a broken tank @round sundial

round sundial Oct 10, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Smasher is in the extremes but it hasnt been changed yet

random spruce Oct 10, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Evening all

hard nebula Oct 10, 2019, 9:06 PM

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is there a way AMX M4 54 could be added to blitz in some updates or is not planned at all?

winged barn Oct 10, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Yea, why has the smasher not been nerfed yet?

wet quail Oct 10, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Sellability

round sundial Oct 10, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Let's raid WG headquarters and run away with Smasher codes so that they nerf it when the server is flooded with them😂

nimble zodiac Oct 10, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Mehh, I’d say nerf the prammo pen then I’d be fine, because holy moly you can’t escape that shell with your armor

formal vale Oct 10, 2019, 11:25 PM

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^^^ I'd also say nerf the turret armor. A 152mm gun at tier 7 with a turret has no business having armor.

drifting depot Oct 11, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Give it the same armor as the kv2 just add a little bit of spaced armor on those things it has on the turret and it should be fine, no pen nerf just armor so it's ok, as a turretless td player, I know the horrendously huge advantages of having a turret, specially with a big gun

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

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excuse me, my Blitz account can see who is online on my friend list .what should I do?

crystal spoke Oct 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Nothing that's how its supposed to be

flat bane Oct 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Oh

potent turtle Oct 11, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Kv3 needs buff. It's aiming time is way to long

stoic light Oct 11, 2019, 2:49 AM

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kpfpz needs a buff really badly

thick rover Oct 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Can the Leo get 1 degree more depression

stuck turret Oct 11, 2019, 3:33 AM

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If i sell a collectible tank can I get it back like the premium tank after one year ?

full token Oct 11, 2019, 3:40 AM

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You can get it back anytime, just pay the gold you got for selling it. The one tank per year rule was removed.

noble siren Oct 11, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Can we see buff for Vk72?

meager spruce Oct 11, 2019, 8:23 AM

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idk, can we?

smoky gazelle Oct 11, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Cant we just remove all russian tanks from the game -french light tank driver

formal forge Oct 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

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@noble siren i think its hard to balance. If the sideweakspot (the big cylinder) will be get an armor buff i think will be broken (not sure) but probably the vk get an buff and also an nerf. Like nerf by his lowerglaces reducing his armor. At the same time its also is the vk72 weak. I think its almost impossible to balance the vk72

noble siren Oct 11, 2019, 10:22 AM

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@formal forge i just want more accurate gun to compensate for the huge weakspots (for most of the tanks) and i think it should be balanced.

indigo knot Oct 11, 2019, 10:32 AM

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I would prefer more DPM(same as E100) and gun handling buff
I am afraid that the German big gun HTs will be a relic of past when 60TP comes in the game

fathom basin Oct 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

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I'll said it again, I want Foch and Foch 155 nerfed to the ground. Period.

vast coral Oct 11, 2019, 11:24 AM

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I think we should buff the e75 ts because it has worse hull traverse than it superheavy counterparts

dark pike Oct 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

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no

young vault Oct 11, 2019, 12:41 PM

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So WG buffed the tiger II so they could later bring in E75 TS for it to not seem as ridiculously op as it is, and ofcourse to nerf the tiger II back in the near future. Outstanding performance xD

white vessel Oct 11, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Thats what they did wth BP nd the t7 prem heavy

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 12:50 PM

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I don't recall them nerfing the BP.

stable idol Oct 11, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Yet...

jolly kayak Oct 11, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Hi

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Slight camo buff to Grille, nothing more. Slight dpm buff to vk72 and FV4202... man that tank is nightmare for me, but please buff at least the turret 🤔

formal vale Oct 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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I'm curious of what you guys would think of WG changing the E100 turret model to the E75TS's turret model but adjusted to fit tier 10. There are some concept designs for the E100 having a much more E75-like turret, very different from the boxy one we have in game right now.

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unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Probably turret cant hold bigger gun 🤔

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 5:36 PM

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These turrets were earlier designs of “tiger maus” project before the company designing the E100 might have received the 128mm request

formal vale Oct 11, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Yeah, but it would be cool, in my opinion, to have a more interesting turret design than just a box. It looks like it actually came from the Tiger II / E75 turret designs. It would fit the aesthetic of the line really well imo

Edit: @round sundial you could adjust the armor values to fit tier 10 and let it keep the 150mm gun. It doesnt have to be exactly the same as the E75TS

round sundial Oct 11, 2019, 5:42 PM

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But it would make the tank much weaker. E: Even then. Currently, it can boost the armour on the turret up to like 330mm everywhere, and it adds another skill element to the tank. You put the E75TS turret with bigger nominal armour values on it and it will be slightly stronger when a noob is driving it, but ultimately weaker as the turret will be like 260mm at the very most frontally @formal vale

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Also another give away that’s not a true design it looks like the front has a Hull MG that wasn’t present in the E100 hull and only in tiger 2

formal vale Oct 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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@round sundial the main thing I like about that turret is that it's way shorter than the normal turret. You can still angle it, but you have to wiggle more and what not. The main thing that confuses me is that you say it makes it worse yet it gets easier for noobs to play. I don't see how it would somehow be worse when you have to angle the turret anyways.

round sundial Oct 11, 2019, 6:18 PM

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I say that because noobs don't angle the turret now. If they get a turret with smaller area that could be penned, naturally they will get a tank that is easier to play. However, when you put an actual good player in it, he won't be able to increase the turret effectiveness over the noob player much, unlike the way it is now. I'd love to see the turret get buffed actually, but not frontally, rather buff the side armour. It will make it better, but only for players who know how to play the tank @formal vale

formal vale Oct 11, 2019, 6:24 PM

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I see what you mean. But the issue would be that you need to angle the turret and not angle the turret at the same time, which means you need to wiggle. The buff would come in the form of giving the tank a much smaller silhouette, which is something I'd much rather have. You can wiggle the turret and still not worry as much when you're shooting at someone else. This would just be an overall buff despite the small nerf to a fully angled turret. You have to play more actively, which is something I would like to see on the E100.

Not to mention it actually looks way better imo

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@round sundial

random bear Oct 11, 2019, 6:45 PM

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@formal vale But can u tell me how to find jesus first ?
I need jesus in my life...ive been a bad bad boy

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Umm what?!

formal vale Oct 11, 2019, 6:53 PM

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@random bear oof

latent wyvern Oct 11, 2019, 8:40 PM

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WG fcked it up again. E75 TS is more than op. It's another reason to delete the game.

unique scaffold Oct 11, 2019, 9:01 PM

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its not that op come on

scenic lotus Oct 11, 2019, 9:15 PM

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its pretty expensive though lmao

autumn zodiac Oct 11, 2019, 9:32 PM

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The fact that it has no Cupola is an issue, meanwhile Chieftain/T95 has a Cupola and hardly and hull armor

drifting depot Oct 11, 2019, 9:47 PM

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It's overpriced, the hatch is actually not as difficult to hit, pretty much the same as a tiger 1, and the weakspots are actually weakspots, lower plate does the job of being a lower plate and hatch has the difficilty to be hit of a hatch, unlike stuff like the tiger 2 bud

visual nimbus Oct 11, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Yeah, I think the TS’s is pretty balanced honestly.

orchid grove Oct 11, 2019, 10:28 PM

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E-75TS honestly doesn't look that OP. Looks really annoying if you have low pen, but if you have prammo with ~250mm+ pen, it's pretty easy to deal with

stoic light Oct 11, 2019, 10:58 PM

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^

rose blaze Oct 12, 2019, 2:17 AM

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The e75 ts is not that op I've played a few games against them compared to the tiger II would say that the tiger II rn is better

shy zenith Oct 12, 2019, 2:20 AM

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BRING BACK THE TANKS BEFORE UPDATE 5.5. like seriously I understand that you had to make the lower tiers newbie-friendly, but you took out the fun and the life out of the game in 5.5. AND THEN YOU ADD A NEW DERP STUG WITH THE OLD GUN THAT YOU REMOVED FOR BALANCE CHANGES. Just give us back the old tanks.

crystal spoke Oct 12, 2019, 2:39 AM

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The tanks never left there just collectors and who said the stuh has the same stats as the stug 3g had pre5.5

It may be the same gun but that doesnt mean it's got the same stats

shy zenith Oct 12, 2019, 2:42 AM

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It has the same gun, though you are right. Besides, the other tanks can help new players learn the different ways to play tnaks

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2019, 3:22 AM

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More tanks to have to remember, too much stress for new players, only the OG tier Is were removed, I’d like em back but they did look offset from their next tier and up.

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Tier II TDs I’d like a small DPM buff on most of them because they have tier I DPMs but since they’re collectors I suppose they’re fine

winged barn Oct 12, 2019, 5:13 AM

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They are not really fine. They were nerfed to become obsolete.

rigid wigeon Oct 12, 2019, 5:41 AM

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@nimble zodiac why are you still playing tier 2? Lmao

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Not really, just checking back to my little ones

frigid basin Oct 12, 2019, 6:10 AM

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Maybe centurion models should be improved, like more speed or more penetration idk

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2019, 7:26 AM

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I think Cent is fine. I just want a nerf to a tank i never liked. Smasher. It’s easy to spam HE and got a 152mm gun. It has strong turret armor and hull armor for a tier 7. Kv-2 is balanced it can be derped, but Smasher can’t. Don’t see WG nerfing it though, sadly.

coarse harness Oct 12, 2019, 7:43 AM

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How about buff the Tankenstein ?
That tank is a complete trash
Worst overall mobility
Worst DPM
Worst highest possible pen, 196 with it's regular AP in T8 is just bad
The other gun is just a worse T32 gun so that is enough to say
And the turret is a KV-4 turret wich is already bad news but it's weaker on this crap

white vessel Oct 12, 2019, 7:44 AM

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Tankensteik is t7?

full token Oct 12, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Yep. Also, doesn’t the T32 gun give it the same gun mantlet as the T29 when equipped?

round sundial Oct 12, 2019, 7:52 AM

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🤦 It doesn't need any buff

coarse harness Oct 12, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Yeah 22° traverse is perfectly fine with all the DPM meds in T7💁

hot sun Oct 12, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Tankenstein by far is one of the worst t7s (compared to tech tree and prems), sure it excels at peek a boom but that's about it lol

noble siren Oct 12, 2019, 8:43 AM

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@coarse harness this tank is so bad. Like I was hyped when I got it, but then i saw that it was just a mistake. The ONLY good thing I saw from this tank is that it can ammorack russian tier 8s, nothing more.

dusky cedar Oct 12, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Use 130 mm and it’s good

coarse harness Oct 12, 2019, 8:58 AM

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I got it from the Gravedigger event for free and it worth nothing more

rustic eagle Oct 12, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Tankenstein 100% needs a buff

hot sun Oct 12, 2019, 10:50 AM

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If it was to be buffed I say a few more degrees of hull traverse and a slightly faster reload, say 15 to 15.5 ish seconds.

crimson cosmos Oct 12, 2019, 1:06 PM

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The Smasher is a KV-2 without the balancing factors. Not really OP. Just a bit too “easy mode” for a silly looking fantasy tank.

The gun just needs some soft stat nerfs. It doesn’t deserve to be better than the SU-152.

dusky oxide Oct 12, 2019, 1:08 PM

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"not really op" XDDD much like my wz

distant river Oct 12, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Alpha + pen + a turret + decent armour, especially against tier 6s + good gun handling = balenced 👌

rapid wigeon Oct 12, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Pershing needs a buff ideas:
Faster reload 5.4? Pershing does lower then usual

Armor maybe more turret armor for CQB?

Damage maybe more damage to make up for the rest

Armor penetration most tier Eights have 200 pen over at least 210 pen

I don’t like how it makes it so you have to buy APCR to pen most tanks

orchid grove Oct 12, 2019, 3:53 PM

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I think 100 extra DPM and a buff to the mantlet would do just fine honestly

harsh ravine Oct 12, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I would actually give it a penetration buff. Makes no sense that it’s heavy armored counterparts (T26E4 and T26E5) have better penetration than the Pershing itself. I’ll give it like 234 AP penetration

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2019, 4:12 PM

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So blitz will really look at these ?

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Lol Positive, thought you loved it like it didn’t need a buff. But I could agree it needs somethin somethin

upbeat tide Oct 12, 2019, 4:24 PM

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pershing and panther 2 are fine tanks. trust me. just people play them poorly.
The T28 genuinely needs a buff. Better all round mobility, HP, gun depression
Caernarvon needs a turret armour buff and gun handling buff, maybe even an alpha damage buff. it's a horrible tank
Tankenstein needs tiger p's side plates, then it'll be OK. same with ferdi

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2019, 4:31 PM

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@orchid grove is it most likely the leopard 1 might receive a buff within the following updates?

ruby lark Oct 12, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Why every single time when a enter a battle on my time always noobs but in the enemy team always pros why

orchid grove Oct 12, 2019, 4:34 PM

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@nimble zodiac I do love it, and it doesn't need a buff; but as long as we're talking about it, I would gladly take a buff to one of my favorite tanks 😆 @unique scaffold I have no clue what runs through the heads of WG's balance team, so I have no clue if Leo will get buffed

scenic lotus Oct 12, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Why doesn't the T54E1 get HE shells but every other Tier 9 autoloader does? The Standard B even gets HESH with 400 a hit.

frosty tundra Oct 12, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Does the standard B use Hesh? I thought it was HEP

ruby lark Oct 12, 2019, 4:43 PM

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A fott the match making is balanced but it isn't a don't understand why it isn't balanced

noble siren Oct 12, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Leo should receive buff to the mantlet too

cunning kindle Oct 12, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Honestly just give leo a bit of side armor so that only 150mm + guns can HE it, anything more than that, u'd just be giving the pro players a very very op tank

indigo knot Oct 12, 2019, 6:19 PM

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@upbeat tide you say Pershing and Panther2 are good tanks but Carnaveron is bad (which is better than both of the above) it doesn't need any buff ...its fine currently

formal vale Oct 12, 2019, 6:29 PM

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The Leopard 1 should only really get an aim time buff. That's it. The Leopard is already really strong atm. Now, the Leopard PTA is a different story. That thing should get better dpm, gun handling, and maybe an extra degree if gun depression.

As for the Pershing, it kinda doesnt really need a buff, but it could really use one. They should only really buff the penetration to the Super Pershing's level and increase the power to weight a little bit to make it slightly more speedy.

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2019, 6:31 PM

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I mean if the leopard is doing the 2nd worst in #devs-answers it’s only barely strong in categories but other tanks easily beat it in versatility it can’t poke it can’t run it can’t hide at least buff the over all mobility or make the gun superior

orchid grove Oct 12, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Kinda bugs me that the only balance changes people want are ones that buff the weaknesses of tanks, and nerf the strengths 🤦 . How to get a bland game 101.

For Leo 1, leave the armor as is, but buff up the RoF a tad, and also the accuracy, and probably the camo too

formal vale Oct 12, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@unique scaffold I would put the leopard's bad performance down to it being a very popular and well known tank. It also happens to be one of the hardest tanks to play at tier 10, which means that these new players who think they'll love the Leopard actually end up doing really badly in the tank.

orchid grove Oct 12, 2019, 6:59 PM

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For a guy with 4400 battles in the Bat, I'd like to think I know how to play a paper tank, but I just cannot get the Leopard 1 to work

rustic eagle Oct 12, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Leo just need a tiny little buff and it'll be perfect. It is a good tank but it does get outmatched by the russians and meds like the patton, stb etc

hot sun Oct 12, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Eh 1 more degree of gd might work, and a better camo rating. And if anything slightly buff the turret frontally for some troll bounces :3

orchid grove Oct 12, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I'm firmly against any turret armor buff, because the last thing this game needs is another medium with a troll turret and good gun depression. We already have like 4 of them (M60, M48, STB-1, 30 B), and we don't need another tank trying to emulate that

unique scaffold Oct 12, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Buffing the leopard 1s armor is like trying to fill a cup that has a hole in it

indigo knot Oct 12, 2019, 9:06 PM

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@formal vale seems like you haven't seen the charts from the start.....Leo1 has been in bottom 3 in every chart...and you say its strong....if it were the case as you stated they would have been running in tournaments just like how Foch 215b and T22 are......both Leo1 and Pta are weak at their tier ..

I would really like the gun handling buff(Aim time 2.4sec fully equipped, turret rotation and hull rotation dispersion buff, turret traverse buff and in place of turret armour (we need something different in terms of gamestyle not another hull down med) I would love the gun depression buff 10 deg or DPM buff to 5.6-5.7 sec reload

In Pta simply Dpm buff(M46 level)and aim time buff(3.0sec fully equipped) with 8 deg to gun depression will make that tank fine

formal vale Oct 12, 2019, 9:19 PM

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@indigo knot Well for one, I have seen the stats. Two, it's a strong tank when played by competent players. If you know how to avoid getting hit and keep your head on a swivel, you'll do well in the Leopard. Most players just dont know how to do that, which is translated by its stats. As I was saying, the popularity of the tank attracts new players with minimal experience, which hurts its overall stats. I understand that the stats shown are for 55-65% wr players, which is why I agree that it does need a slight buff. But anything more than the aim time seems a bit much to me. The changes would have to be pretty minor and only really enhance the defining characteristics that make the Leopard good (ie mobility and gun handling).

indigo knot Oct 12, 2019, 9:40 PM

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@formal vale for competent players....55-65 are more than competent enough in the game, they know the game mechanics well and if for some reason they are still not doing well with it then there is something wrong with the tank when compared to its peers....
With the new consumables incoming to many tanks you can compete with the mobility of the meds...and Leo1 doesn't have armour to bounce anything to it something else to manage that lack of armour and that would be more gun depression and a god like gun at its tier (62a levels) and more turret traverse which is currently quite poor compared to other meds.......
Not always you can use your team as meat shield and farm off their HP.....this is why it has such low WR....unlike where STB 1 and 30B have turret armour which not always make them totally team reliant tank unlike Leo1 ....were you always need a team as meat shields.....

formal vale Oct 12, 2019, 9:42 PM

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You make it sound like I'm against it getting a buff. I'm not. I just dont think the buff should be substantial at all. Just something minor to make it perform a little more. The Leopard has a really high skill ceiling, which should be accounted for when balancing the tank. It should still be a hard tank to play, but just keep it from being too hard.

rancid orchid Oct 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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can the T34 actually get some hull armor

nimble zodiac Oct 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Definitely not, the T34 is a very competitive tier 8, as it is a hulldown hill brawler master. If it had great hull armor, it could be very advantageous against most others

formal vale Oct 12, 2019, 10:47 PM

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@rancid orchid no

rancid orchid Oct 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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@nimble zodiac just like and extra 8 is all i need

crystal spoke Oct 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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That even that would be too much its hull is its balance factor as well as its speed

harsh ravine Oct 13, 2019, 12:09 AM

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the T34 is fine, if you can’t hulldown, just sidescrape

wet quail Oct 13, 2019, 12:54 AM

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That’s really not a bright idea considering how diabolical the side armour is

heady mulch Oct 13, 2019, 3:14 AM

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@harsh ravine even a t49 can he pen the sides if aimed properly

lunar niche Oct 13, 2019, 3:18 AM

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How broken will Leopard be if it gets HEP like Ru 251?

thick rover Oct 13, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Welp

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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IS4 or IS7?

which is better between of them?

formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 6:33 AM

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IS-4 in the current meta

white vessel Oct 13, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Give leo1 a higher alpha and keep the dpm about same. Something like 370/390

noble siren Oct 13, 2019, 6:45 AM

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The leopard is strong only against TDs Heavies but surely not against meds. Trying to outtrade damage with this potato tank against meds like E50M T22 Stb T62 Obj140 which have super strong turret armor and they are easy to use, is possible when the players in it are bad. The reason I want buff on the mantlet is because everything else is good like gun, speed, rotation on the turret, reverse speed. By buffing the armor on the mantlet a little bit it will make it to have troll bounces on the edge of it. I don't want the leo to have broken turret armor like the tanks I pointed up. If you don't want the buff on the mantlet then go for reload time nerf like 5.4 - 5.5 sec. The Leo has literally the same playstyle as the B-C, that's how unreliable its armor is.

ruby oriole Oct 13, 2019, 7:18 AM

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You don’t play the Leopard for armour. You play it for the combination of mobility and firepower. You want it to be strong against TDs, Mediums, AND Heavies? Good job, you described an OP tank. And the Leopard 1 has more than enough dpm to trade with tier ten mediums (not saying that you should). If you want a tank with good turret armour and good mobility, and a good gun, go play some other game, because you clearly have no idea how balance works.

thick rover Oct 13, 2019, 7:40 AM

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You don't get to denounce ideas and opinions by saying that they have no idea of how something works or asking them to play another game. If you don't agree just state it, no need to get all aggressive.. Just try to be objective alright

coarse harness Oct 13, 2019, 7:48 AM

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Maybe give it better concealment cause RUSSIAN meds have better
It would make sense but this game is not about reality so yeah...
And buff the view range to STB/M48 level

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 7:52 AM

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@formal vale thank you bruh

formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 8:00 AM

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no prob lol

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Point is leopard needs a buff an armor buff is pointless just a buff don’t believe me? Here @round sundial yea I love doing top of Board in every single match and still lose due to my teams

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formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 8:34 AM

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oof that Dracula battle count :p

round sundial Oct 13, 2019, 8:35 AM

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So you are a 63% WR player running Leopard at 63% WR. Seems ok to me?🤔 🤷

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 8:51 AM

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I'd suggest giving it a slightly higher alpha dmg (keeping the same dpm as it has right now). Furthermore I'd give it a better terrain resistance and slightly better concealment. As a balancing factor I would reduce the topspeed by a few kph

indigo knot Oct 13, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Well I want both Leo1 and Grille buffed...but these tanks are quite popular so I think that is why they are not buffing them. But personally I would love these buffs...
Leo1- Buff aim time to 2.4-2.2, buff turret rotation dispersion and hull rotation dispersion, Dpm to atleast 5.6-5.7 sec or 11-12 deg of gun depression
Grille- Buff the traverse, top speed, penetration (290-360) and 8 deg of gun depression and leave camo rating the same as it is so those who want to sit at the back whole time suffer when playing it

devout plinth Oct 13, 2019, 8:56 AM

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🤔

meager spruce Oct 13, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Jesus you want to make Leo1 a monster.

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 9:01 AM

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@indigo knot 1) why would you give a non-armored td 8 degrees of gun depression? It's not gonna be a hulldown tank whatsoever. 2) The Leo1 would have a impenetrable turret in a hulldown position where it could use it's 12 degrees of gun depression. The turret's mantle would be the only thing visible and also very likely a auto bounce for most 120mm guns.

indigo knot Oct 13, 2019, 9:17 AM

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With 12 deg of gun depression this tank will get flexibility and still maintain its unique game play ....now a days every med at tier 10 has strong turret to go hull down and put out damage with impunity....but with these buffs it will be a tank that can be used in competitive meta coz now meta has shifted from Super heavy to heavium and the new consumables which help those heavy tanks to get to position almost as fast as a med....so what to do in the tank that got no armour

8 deg of gun depression will do the same wonders as 10 deg does in case tier 9 WtPz4 which is provide flexibility and put out damage by minimal exposure ....in WOT pc too Grille has 7 deg of gun depression if I remember correctly but here it is 4 deg only

distant river Oct 13, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Grille only needs 2° more depression and then a turret traverse nerf and a hull traverse buff. Its a pretty good tank already and it doesnt need a huge change

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 9:25 AM

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@indigo knot If you want a t10 med that has both gun depression and armor just play the stb1, there is no point of changing the leo1 to a hulldown beast...It's supposed to be a slightly armored tank (thus leading to a different playstyle). I agree that it doesn't fit in the current (cw-) meta but changing it so it will fit the "heavium meta" doesn't make sense. You would have to change all other non-meta tanks so they'd fit that very playstyle. The Leopard is a support tank and will find a way into another meta.

ruby oriole Oct 13, 2019, 9:32 AM

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If you want to buff the leopard, don’t overbuff it. And buff something which is actually relevant to the tank. Buffing it to -12° of gun depression will actually break it. Just give it better mobility and concealment, or alternatively decrease the aim time. There is no need to increase the DPM cos it would be too good.

I mean, I feel the leopard doesnt need a buff, but if it does get buffed, then good for us leopard players lol

indigo knot Oct 13, 2019, 9:33 AM

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Its underpowered tank compared to other tier 10 meds why should anyone even play Leo1 when they get the same gun on E50m or god like gun on T62a....the only thing it gets is top speed but it not that much even ...you can use engine boost in other meds and get to position same as Leo1 name a single thing that Leo1 does better that other med can't do....even 30b is better than Leo1 atleast it has that mantlet to bounce the shells...only other med that is worse than Leo1 currently is Fv4202...Leo1 was never a competitive tank ever in the past even and even with these buff it won't even be super strong unlike Stb1 currently....

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 9:39 AM

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leo1's role is to output damage. It's got a great dpm, good dispersion and above-average mobility. If you don't know how to play the leopard comfortably, that's none of my business...I personally find it quite enjoyable and it's definitely not a bad tank. Fv4202 is also a special tank and is getting underrated a lot, Fv is the only medium tank that has such a versatile gun. It's HESH (if used correctly) is going to output an insane amount of damage (per minute) and easily compensates the rather low mobility and okay-ish armor.

deft owl Oct 13, 2019, 9:41 AM

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@unique scaffold Leo 1 is objectively a bad tank. Thats why we never see leopard 1s in tournaments.

noble siren Oct 13, 2019, 9:42 AM

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I'm just done... How is the leo supposed to outtrade someone from 100m with impenetrable turret like the 5 tanks I pointed. I asked for little mantlet armor buff so it can has a chance to make a bounce if the enemy is poorly aiming. You all are complaining that with little mantlet buff the leo will become OP, but when they buffed STB's mantlet to fv(HT) level I didn't see you complaining. The tank is not that good against good players because it doesn't have anything special that can outperform the other 5 tanks. Why do you think that no one is playing Leo in ranked matches?

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 9:49 AM

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@deft owl No. The leopard is not a "objectively bad tank", there are just tanks that fit the meta better than the leo. Leopard once was in the meta and is eventually going to be a meta-tank again. The fact that tanks such as t22 or stb1 recently got added into the game or received a tremendous armor buff doesn't make the leopard a bad tank but the others just stupidly OP. And that is measurable in the amount those 2 tanks get played (in tours) compared to all other t10 mediums (not just the leopard). If you'd take a look at the m48 for example, the fact that it's not used in tournaments as frequently as it used to be doesn't make it a bad tank. The main reason why it doesnt get used as often as it used to is that other tanks fit the meta better (and because they got buffed). The same thing goes for the wz, overall it's not a bad tank (in my opinion it's better than most t10 meds) but it just doesn't fit the "heavium meta". And once again; changing the non-meta tanks to actual power-creeps doesn't help the game at all.

exotic field Oct 13, 2019, 9:53 AM

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HOW MANY FKING AUTOLOADER AND FKING AUTORELOADER WE NEED IN THIS GAME, Where is the balace between regular vehicles and those stupid autoloader and autoreloader.

coarse harness Oct 13, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Yeah I feel like there is too many autoloaders too

thick rover Oct 13, 2019, 9:56 AM

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I get what you mean but if the M48 is already not viable then the Leo 1 is worst..

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 10:02 AM

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I know that the leopard is a hard-to-play tank for average players compared to other tanks (which is most likely based off the armor/armor-profile) such as the t22. What I don't get is why people always complain about it's "objectively" bad stats. Well If you are gonna play it the same as a t22-medium (being a actual first line and hulldown beast) I get why you are saying it's a bad tank. If you do use it in the way it's supposed to be (being a second line tank and support) you will still get great results from the leopard.

hybrid flume Oct 13, 2019, 10:09 AM

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@ruby lark because you say who is a noob and who is a pro. Which, in this case, you say that ur team are nubs while the enemy are made up of unicums. All. The. Time. Thats not normal in random statistics/probability. I suspect you have the power to dictate the laws of physics differently in your mind than in real life. In which case, you are the problem your team has.

@noble siren I play the Leo as a super fast td; it can burn things down like a td but not trade or pen like a td, and it can relocate better than any other td.

indigo knot Oct 13, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Most of us here know how to play the particular tank and see the stats for some reason if a tank has been in the bottom 3 when it comes to WR for past updates then I classify that tank as a bad tank and for my statement se #devs-answers where the stats are supporting my concern .....its a bad tank currently and has been for a past few updates...while Stb1 was in bottom 3 was once and got buffed to the level that it is the best med tank for pubs currently and stats show that too.... @unique scaffold

coarse harness Oct 13, 2019, 10:12 AM

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It is far from bad tho

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 10:15 AM

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@indigo knot I get why you are complaining about the leopard and it's "objectively" bad stats. But you have to consider that one tank always has to be at the end of the line. The real problem here is that WG keeps on adding stronger and stronger tanks into the game but at the same time other tanks are not able to keep up with that paste. Making tanks ,that are weaker than others, stronger won't help. If you would like to balance out the whole t10 scene, you have to nerf the above-average tanks. Otherwise WG will have to keep on buffing tanks to a standard but they'll not be able to keep up with that paste.

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And if you were to look at the statistics in #devs-answers correctly, you can also see that the average dmg/game in the leopard is far better than average. It's winrate however is lower than average🤔 . Is that really because of the tank's stats or because of the matchmaking?
Also; would you consider the t62a a "objectively bad tank" just because of its average winrate in random games? I doubt it.

indigo knot Oct 13, 2019, 10:45 AM

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I don't see it having avg dmg/game far better than avg and it is not match making that is helping it to get the bottom but the tank itself is bad that what is causing it
And yes 62a is not good enough still....the lack of flexibility is what kills this tank you need to poke to make that god like gun work and get punished for it.... isn't that still the reason that 140 is used in CW or Pubs more often that 62a coz it is not good enough to be near 140 levels

random bear Oct 13, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Yup leopard 1 needs MOBILITY BUFF...Since many tanks with way better armor have better mobility

craggy kayak Oct 13, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Tankenstein need dpm buff and mobility buff

untold marlin Oct 13, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Can leopard get a buff pls. Such am iconic tank forgoten and left in the drain. Almost no one plays that tank anymore

thick rover Oct 13, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Agree except for last part

fast cave Oct 13, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Interesting debate leo1. While I would not say it is a bad tank it is clear that I enjoy far less the tank than I used in the past. I think everyone is struggling a bit to find its place on the battlefield especially since other meds role and strengths are quite clear (brawl hull down...) which is not the case for Leo. I agree it is some kind of fake td and like td u can have great dmg number but high dependence to the team in terms of winrate.
If I had to buff a thing would be acceleration and camo value but armor shall not be buffed otherwise it’s not a Leo anymore.

boreal burrow Oct 13, 2019, 3:27 PM

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T28proto needs a speed buff

warm star Oct 13, 2019, 3:46 PM

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The KV-4 needs an armor buff or a speed buff, because atm it’s just a easier to pen, slightly faster VK 168 with worse alpha.

nimble zodiac Oct 13, 2019, 3:51 PM

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I think KV-4 is somewhat complicated to pen when it’s reverse sidescraping and wiggling like crazy, but I could agree something could be done about the turret armor

warm star Oct 13, 2019, 4:08 PM

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If they just upped the armor on the neck of the turret or the cupola on top, i’d be fine, because three weak points on a turret that isn’t even that strong feels excessive, especially if when you turn the turret even slightly it suffers from Tiger II/E75 syndrome where that whole side becomes green immediately

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stable idol Oct 13, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Heavies aren't supposed to be impenetrable anyway, but now that the tiger is the others need it to be balanced, and then all heavies start creeping...

warm star Oct 13, 2019, 4:21 PM

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I’m not saying it needs to be impenetrable, it’s just not on par with other heavies, the KV-4 has been powercreeped for about as long as I’ve had this game

hard nebula Oct 13, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Looking forward for some tech tree's balance, like removing this tank from the entire game, 9 games out of 10 there are at least 2-3 183's for both sides, why do you guys even added this tank, removing 3/4 of a med in a single shot, how is that balanced?

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nimble zodiac Oct 13, 2019, 4:42 PM

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I don’t see them as often, and also I’d say 2/3 unless you’re thinking about fires

torpid furnace Oct 13, 2019, 5:18 PM

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nerf the IS4. It's absolute cancer in the current meta.

The fact a jageroo bounces off it with AP in the TRACK WHEEL is just dumb

TWICE!

formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Yeah the IS4 could really use a nerf imo

distant river Oct 13, 2019, 5:24 PM

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The foch needs a nerf wayyyy more than the IS4, but yes it is too good

noble siren Oct 13, 2019, 5:34 PM

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@torpid furnace jagaroo is not that reliable (at least for me)

clever void Oct 13, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Any nerf on IS-4 will make the WZ-113 Prolly the heavy tank of choice

distant river Oct 13, 2019, 6:11 PM

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113 is much much nore balenced than the IS4

rapid wigeon Oct 13, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Give Pershing miny 105 with 100 pen lmao

flat bane Oct 13, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Why is Wz 120 the worst performing med at T9? Impossible

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Idk about that, seems pretty good to me. When I used a T54 with max gun with highest pen it couldn’t pen most of the 120’s front and side armor from far away. The armor and gun from the 120 are heavy like. It has the speed of a med and seems op. From whenever I see it played in battle at least.

charred bobcat Oct 13, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Uh no. Nerfing the is4 would just solidify FV 215b as the best tier 10 heavy. @clever void

distant river Oct 13, 2019, 7:10 PM

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215b just needs the consumables removed. Then the T110E5 will be the best and that just needs the consumables removed. Funny how its the consumables that are causing all the problems here... 🤔

formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 7:16 PM

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^^^ Maybe we should balance tanks based on their in-game characteristics and not by which ones are boring to play or whether X tank will replace it as top-class. Just a thought...

distant river Oct 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Nah that sounds like it slight thought from the WG balence team (idk if it even exists looking at some of their choices, it might just be a random algorithm)

random bear Oct 13, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Nerf everything to zero...Lets make this game balanced again

nimble zodiac Oct 13, 2019, 8:27 PM

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That would be fun... I doubt...

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 8:33 PM

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@random bear finally someone noticed

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Leopard 1 is trully a fast reloading fake td with no armor, quite high penetration and high speed, i accually have average damage per battle almost over 2000,if it had better speed or armor it can be much more usefull.

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It doesn’t need armor... 🤦

formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 8:56 PM

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@unique scaffold

The Leopard 1 never had good armor IRL. It followed the theory that if armor penetration will inevitably get higher and higher, we should make a tank that doesn't have any. Enhance everything that will make it hard for the enemy to hit us and we will succeed. That's what the Leopard is all about. Don't get hit.
If you want a Leopard with armor, buy the AMX 30B. It doesn't have nearly the amount of dpm as the Leopard has, and for good reason. Giving the Leopard better armor would just make the AMX 30B obsolete and the Leo itself would become insanely OP. So no, it doesn't need any sort of armor buff.
The Leopard's DPM is already best in class AND it has the best penetration on any medium tank in the tier. It doesn't need a penetration buff nor a DPM buff.
An alternative buff would be the aim time and dispersion values when on the move and turning the turret. This would just make the tank way more flexible in terms of gun handling, which would make the tank that slight bit better and nicer to play.

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 9:01 PM

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@formal vale This all is true but not getting hit is easier to say than done, some enemy med can track you and tds will do the job themself, saying that tierX don't have bad aim

nimble zodiac Oct 13, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Why not just track the medium that tries to track you?

formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 9:11 PM

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@unique scaffold if you're putting yourself in a situation in which you're brawling in the Leopard 1, you're doing it all wrong. Your job is to get initial spots and then play the support roll. That can either come in the form of flanking or keeping close to your heavies. Either way, there is almost always an alternative to getting shot.

unique scaffold Oct 13, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@formal vale flanking and getting behind the tds is what i usually do

white vessel Oct 13, 2019, 9:21 PM

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I think leo has high skill cap and its uper flexible and doesnt need a major buff. Maybe just change its alpha higher with the same dpm. When im playing with my leopard my games last longer due to the option to flee and camp, which makes it easier to deal dmg

slim rivet Oct 13, 2019, 9:52 PM

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I came here after a break of a few weeks and what do I see? Give Leo more armor... time has come for another break I guess...

stark sinew Oct 13, 2019, 10:12 PM

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plucky urchin Oct 13, 2019, 10:20 PM

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my life is a lie

formal vale Oct 13, 2019, 10:24 PM

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It depends on how much you lose per game and whether or not you're actually going to play those 6 battles. Some people, like myself, don't tend to play very much in one sitting anymore, which means that the plethora of small boosters is kind of a waste.

jade cargoBOT Oct 13, 2019, 10:44 PM

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dynoSuccess ShWaLaBaE#8129 has been warned.

thick rover Oct 14, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Are people seriously still complaining about the 183..

plucky urchin Oct 14, 2019, 1:26 AM

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you only die to the Fv 183 if you make a Stupid move or just get unlucky

clever void Oct 14, 2019, 1:26 AM

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They quite successfully destroyed it

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 1:43 AM

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The recent nerf completely leveled the tank with all of the other tier 10s, which I would consider to be a successful nerf. People really have no room to complain about it anymore.

Edit: Complaining about people complaining doesnt equate to complaining about a pixel tank in a video game @crystal spoke

crystal spoke Oct 14, 2019, 1:50 AM

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But isnt complaining about people complaining about it indirectly complaining about the 183

Sure it does because its complaint about something regarding the 183

harsh rock Oct 14, 2019, 3:43 AM

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I wish they would either lower the cost of prem rounds in the t15 or boost the regular round's pen

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formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 3:47 AM

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I mean...
it's a T-15

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Why is he comparing it to a m5 Stuart

flat bane Oct 14, 2019, 4:17 AM

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He's probably asking why the prem rounds in the T-15 have pen thats close to the standard ammo of the M5 Stuart. He may also be showing us that m5 has more prem pen then the T-15.

@formal vale what can I say, some people would rather stay at the bottom ¯_(ツ)_/¯

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Yeah, but they're also tier 3 tanks...

autumn zodiac Oct 14, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Well T-15 also only does Half Damage for it's APCR, I don't think 20 Damage is exactly balanced for having bad premium rounds and ineffective AP shells with 42mm of penetration in a tier where every vehicles armor got buffed.

I get that APCR Spam should not be promoted but the AP shells are awful and 396 DPM with APCR is waayyy too low.

Sure players shouldn't be spending a huge amount of time in low tier vehicles but that doesn't mean you can make excuses for tanks to be bad.

raw oar Oct 14, 2019, 6:42 AM

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"Don't play low tiers, buy a tier 8 premium instead".

untold marlin Oct 14, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Why the batchat is a light tank, has better speed and armor, but leopard 1 gets high explosived by everyone and is slower??

slim rivet Oct 14, 2019, 7:55 AM

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The gun is better tho

thick rover Oct 14, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Chill...

jade cargoBOT Oct 14, 2019, 9:07 AM

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dynoSuccess maximov#4793 has been warned.

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dynoSuccess Hodor#4088 has been warned.

nimble zodiac Oct 14, 2019, 11:54 AM

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It has one trolly plate, everywhere else the batchat is the HE magnet, I’d only get good HE hits on leo when it’s silly enough to show some side or rear, for the batchat I have the press 3 protocol

deft owl Oct 14, 2019, 12:57 PM

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@formal vale Leopard dpm isnt best of class. T62a and obj 140 have mpre dpm.

@hard nebula Have you ever seen the charts? 183 is the worst performing tier 10 tank by a large margin.

People who still complain about 183 are nothing but a butthurt that usually heshed once. Yes enemy got lucky once it doesnt happen everytime.

cunning kindle Oct 14, 2019, 1:03 PM

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As long as the 183 can hit tanks for 1300 hp, i'd still want it getting nerfed
Basically saying remove the tank from the game

Its not ppl getting butthurt, i hate the fact that 183 can do absolutely nothing and still get 2.6 k dmg at the end coz their whole team js ded and the enemy is yoloing and the 183 gets 2 ez hesh shots

deft owl Oct 14, 2019, 1:07 PM

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183 cant hit anything beyond 200 meters. Forget penning with hesh, you should consider yourself lucky even if you hit the target. If you are giving ez shots for 183 by standing still in front of him by a long time thats your fault not 183.

Also camo rating is crap. It has worse camo rating then e100 so everyone can outspot it.

coarse harness Oct 14, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Give this man a medal👆

river portal Oct 14, 2019, 1:11 PM

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183 suffer a lot nowdays its sad tank wg did kill it after nerf but still players play a lot with it because of alpha i still do well on 183 tbh i even get better avg damage on 183 than other fv td

coarse harness Oct 14, 2019, 1:24 PM

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The 183 is just a noob remover and yolo punisher nothing else

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 1:33 PM

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@deft owl the Leopard has roughly the same dpm as those tanks. Complaining about the Leopard's dpm is just dumb imo

ruby oriole Oct 14, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Yes please buff the leopard 1. I need a really broken tank to farm wn8 in

summer mist Oct 14, 2019, 2:20 PM

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I think like many of us that AMX AC 48 is quite balance.
Well not exactly, his reload his a real pain. Only 10.10s, it's just not acceptable for a tier VIII TD, compare to all other TDs, even JPanther II is reloading faster for more dmg.

plucky urchin Oct 14, 2019, 3:07 PM

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tier 4s still have a hard time penning side, the nerf to kv1 only made it worse in tier 6

jade cargoBOT Oct 14, 2019, 3:19 PM

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dynoSuccess a normal person#1846 has been warned.

spice iris Oct 14, 2019, 3:32 PM

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its incredibly useless especially kv2

jade cargoBOT Oct 14, 2019, 3:59 PM

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dynoSuccess Bossgodzilla#1688 was banned

coarse harness Oct 14, 2019, 5:02 PM

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If you really have to suffer until you get a good/broken T10 then both the AC 46 and 48 are fine

round sundial Oct 14, 2019, 5:03 PM

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AC48 is a pretty good tank actually, it's how Fochs should be balanced. Awesome speed and good armour, with some weakspots and not the greatest gun.

coarse harness Oct 14, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Maybe I'm strange but I liked the AC 46 more than the 48 because of its DPM🤷🏻‍♂️

twilit crystal Oct 14, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Lol the batchat gun is trash. 6 seconds to do 930 dmg with trash pen and handling

crystal spoke Oct 14, 2019, 6:24 PM

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I'm loving the amx ac48 (tho I dont have the top gun

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 6:30 PM

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@coarse harness the clip reload is really good, you just have to know how to use the tank.

noble siren Oct 14, 2019, 6:32 PM

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@ruby oriole you have so many broken tanks why do you want the leo too?

summer mist Oct 14, 2019, 6:34 PM

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that's the problem for the AMX AC 48, it's for camping only like in WoT PC where it has a magazine shell (3)

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 7:00 PM

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@summer mist how abou the isu 152? It has slower reload

coarse harness Oct 14, 2019, 7:05 PM

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@formal vale what clip ?

@unique scaffold but it has bigger alpha dmg and much better DPM

charred bobcat Oct 14, 2019, 7:15 PM

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@twilit crystal A Batchat isn't meant to have really good gun stats, and the gun is fine where it's at.

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Batchats gun is good until you need to reload

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 7:27 PM

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@coarse harness on the batchat...

You have a 14 sec reload plus 6 to unload 930 dmg. That's really good considering you go 65kph and have light tank camo

coarse harness Oct 14, 2019, 7:54 PM

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@formal vale
I didn't even talking about the BC🤨

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Batchat is the best tier X light

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Because it’s the only one.....

twilit crystal Oct 14, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Batchat is pretty garbage considering a lack of a mobility advantage

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Slt

charred bobcat Oct 14, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Batchat is no where near being garbage. Maybe because you're not using it right lol.

nimble zodiac Oct 14, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I would like to know if there are any other lights or meds in tier X that also have an autoloader, oh that’s what the batchat is for?

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 8:33 PM

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@coarse harness sorry I meant to @twilit crystal

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 8:40 PM

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@nimble zodiac well sometime t57 heavy reminds me of slow medium tank

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 8:52 PM

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@twilit crystal the clip reload is really good, you just have to know how to use the tank.

karmic steeple Oct 14, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Buff the smasher man it’s so underpowered when I have to go up against tier 9 bc of my platoon I can only do 2k damage so trash

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Look at your name first

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 10:28 PM

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If only that was the joke

unique scaffold Oct 14, 2019, 10:54 PM

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We’re all jokers now

languid whale Oct 14, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Buff the heavy everyone forgot about vk 45.02 A.
@near wing Stock grinds are a way to make you wanna spend money on skipping via gold the majority will be undesirable or bad because if this and it's unlikely to change

near wing Oct 14, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Buff the conq, or atleast reduce the price of the mods, it sucks stock, unable to pen most things and even when fully upgraded it's not great, atleast make the 20 pdr that you research the stock gun and reduce the xp needed for the engines

stoic pebble Oct 14, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Maxed Conqueror is great, the only real problem is the grind, which is the problem with most T9 tanks.

static sierra Oct 14, 2019, 11:46 PM

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please consider making the LTTB actually good and playable again, All i get now is recked it doesnt bounce anything for me anymore

nimble zodiac Oct 14, 2019, 11:48 PM

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It's not supposed to bounce shells, it's a light tank, when will they learn

formal vale Oct 14, 2019, 11:48 PM

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You mean a light tank can't bounce anything? Shocker

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 12:25 AM

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I'm going to take his side here. The lttb didn't deserve the last armor nerf. It had a niche of having good mobility, decent armor, and a subpar gun. Nerfing the armor and buffing the gun took away the unique factor that it once had.

eager merlin Oct 15, 2019, 12:26 AM

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My amx 13 75 bounces so much because when I am popping back into cover some heavy lobs a shot a t my track. This happens so many times😇

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 1:33 AM

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@unique scaffold the fact was that it was still broken at that point. The LTTB still has troll armor, but just you can't reliably poke or scurry away not expecting to take damage. What the LTTB had before the nerf promoted bad light tank gameplay and caused many people to not understand that light tanks are not supposed to brawl nor fight in close quarters combat.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 1:43 AM

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I respectfully disagree. I think that where it was was perfect. Mobile with a decent armor and an anemic gun. Nerfing the armor and buffing the gun made it play like a Russian Bulldog with poor dpm. In my opinion once you are running a tier 7 light you should know what you are doing and realize how you can be effective in the battle. You should also be able to realize that a LTTB doesn't play like a bulldog doesn't play like a LTWT doesn't play like a T49.

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I just hate the depression of the LTTB. I’m fine with how it is.

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Run the second gun. Don't run the last one. @unique scaffold

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 2:10 AM

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@unique scaffold many people dont learn how to play the game until their 3rd tier 10. Most dont learn how to play until their first tier 8. The idea that you should have both armor, mobility, dpm, AND light tank camo is really hard to justify. The removal of armor from a light tank should be a no-brainer so long as it doesnt suffer. The LTTB is not suffering at all in the current meta. It's become balanced. It just isn't what it used to be.

Edit/Response: Well yeah. If that's what balance is, then yeah. You have to keep in mind it retained its rear and side armor, which make it really hard to HE.

Edit/Response 2: That's not a good comparison. The Bulldog can be overmatched by any 76+ mm gun anywhere on the tank. The LTTB can withstand 120mm guns in most areas when we talk about overmatch mechanics.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 2:11 AM

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It is cookie cutter now.

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I preferred it with the anemic gun and better armor. Like I said its really just a worse bulldog now.

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@unique scaffold Why? I’ve had good success with the last gun. @formal vale I don’t know what luck you have but, whenever I see a 120mm hit me with HE, I pop. 1060 hp to 0.

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Remember when it was second fastest

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 2:21 AM

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@unique scaffold the 3 calibers rule. Look it up. I have to go rn.

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 3:18 AM

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I believe that the Foch 155 should be buffed. I hear so many people saying it's op, but they probably haven't even played it themselves. Having both played as the Foch and against enemy Foches, I can definitely say it's underpowered.

First off, the armor is laughable. The front plate is nicely angled and the lower plate isn't that large, but what's the point of that when you have such a huge and easy to pen cupola? It makes the Foch completely useless in any hill confrontations. The gun depression also isn't quite good, which makes the Foch struggle to fight in uneven terrain.

Additionally, you can't even utilize the front armor well even if it didn't have the cupola. The gun arc is pathetically small, which makes it quite hard to poke around corners.

Another huge weakness it has is on the autoloader. Yes, it has much higher dpm than the single shot gun, but the dispersion is worse. The dpm is useless if you can't hit your shots. I have so many shot go straight into the ground even when close up, or completely miss when sniping.

Finally, the traverse speed is just so horrible. Some of the very mobile heavies can go right past you and have you struggling to keep up, especially tanks such as the E5 with a speed boost. It's far too easy to circle the Foch.

To solve this issue, I think it would be best to buff at least 3 of the following categories: gun handling on the autoloader, cupola armor (or remove it entirely), speed (especially traverse), gun arc, or gun depression. Thanks for reading.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Honestly I think he’s right. The 155 has been lacking recently in almost all categories and its extremely underpowered. On PC it’s 6 shot autoloader was absurd and resembled that of the WT E-100 but in Blitz, the “mobile” version isn’t even competitive. It’s unable to perform any job correctly and when it does, it’s with pure luck. There’s a reason why teams don’t use the Foch in competitive games and that’s because of the weak cupola, bad gun, and traverse. As a French tank I thought this would be a flagship model to entirely define and promote the French nations’ line but it quiet honestly is a joke that’s ravenously vandalized upon and falsely praised by the lower skilled demographic of Blitz.

The Foch 155 promotes a false narrative that ultimately leads players who aren’t inclined to read the stats to play a tank that is not exceptional by any means and that is not compelling experience while playing with it. The gun can’t hit anything despite aiming and the traverse is horrendous beyond comprehension. The utter abilities of the 155 are so limited within its own personal niche that it cannot cater to the needs to most players who seek a French auto-reloading vehicle that’s both versatile and offers a unique gameplay experience that players from all corners of the servers can enjoy in a uniform manner.

drowsy plaza Oct 15, 2019, 3:31 AM

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@languid whale have you looked at the balance charts for the Vk 45.02A? It’s not going to get buffed.

quick lichen Oct 15, 2019, 3:36 AM

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@velvet edge I think that’s the best thing I’ve ever seen you write

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I agree on all of your points as well

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It certainly can thrive but only when it’s not the one being targeted

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Doomy doesn’t even have a thesis within his intro and doesn’t have following paragraphs based on those prior points within the thesis 😤😤😤

quick lichen Oct 15, 2019, 3:39 AM

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The 155 is stronger on paper than what it is in reality. The exact opposite of the 183

languid whale Oct 15, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Ive played the tank myself before and after it got that AL and I knew before it was meh and after it was very situational the tank really struggles when peeking corners and sure that 180mms plate is strong but it's nothing against TD s and even some heavies but i think it's a sorta op, because in reality any good tank can be op given the right circumstances but it feels to me that if you added more armor,gun arc, traverse it would be op because there would be np limiting factors that make it balanced or semi balanced
An example of this can be seen in the kv-2 and I'll list a few more tanks
The kv2 has a massive gun for its tier but has the worst accuracy(not in practice)in its tier along with a colossal 20-21 second reload
The LTTB has excellent speed and a great gun but lacks in gun depression
The Nashorn has excellent speed and a great gun with a crazy reload but no armor

round sundial Oct 15, 2019, 5:21 AM

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I legit don't know if literally everyone including mods is trolling or what.. Numbers don't lie people, Foch was an average TD by stats before the nerf, with weak cupolas and a single shot gun with 2700 DPM. That tells me that cupolas need a nerf back to 60mm and the autoloader should have about 2500 DPM and perhaps slightly better burst dmg potential

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Imagine trying to justify a further buff to the 155

unreal oxide Oct 15, 2019, 6:09 AM

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2500 dpm rofl, @round sundial what would be the point then ? They added an auto loader to Foch in order to up his DPM and make it more enjoyable

round sundial Oct 15, 2019, 6:11 AM

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The point would be that it'd be balanced. It was balanced before, and autoloaders should trade sustained damage for burst damage. I have backed my claim with numbers and facts, you say it needs to be OP to be enjoyable, nice🤦 @unreal oxide

thick rover Oct 15, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Yes i expected it had to trade DPM for clip damage, it's not the case now. It's a direct creation of a new top gun for the Foch :(

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 6:31 AM

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But it's still less accurate so therefore it must be balenced right? /s

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 6:32 AM

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Since when did we start debating whether the Foch 155 is blatantly OP or not? lmao

coarse harness Oct 15, 2019, 6:41 AM

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The "stock" gun on the foch has far the worst DPM among TD's and atm there is no point to use that
Currently that is not a reasonable option
It was a worse 268 before now it is good and unique
They should buff the single shot gun's DPM to around 3000 and give a few seconds to the clip reload on the autoloader

Fun fact: the cupolas are the same exept that tiny lil weak spot

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distant river Oct 15, 2019, 6:54 AM

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"good and unique", definitely not blatantly op because it can obliterate anything 👌

The autoreloader should never have come, 1280 in 2 shots is extremely difficult to balence and we all know WG arent even good at balencing things.

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 6:54 AM

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It was far from a worse 268 before they gave it the auto-loader. It was basically a 268 that gained both mobility and armor to sacrifice penetration and dpm. That's a fair trade and it made the tank unique before the changes. Smh...

Edit: @orchid grove that would be a better alternative than the autoloading 155mm gun. Having an option to use a 155mm single shot or a 4 shell 120mm auto-loader brings a much wider variety to the game than a 2 shot 155mm 183 replacement.

orchid grove Oct 15, 2019, 6:55 AM

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IMO, they should just give the tank a Foch B-esque autoloader with a 4 shell 400 alpha autoloader and same pen as the 50 B, and balance it by giving it relatively low DPM.
(Pls don't crucify me)

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Lmao Foch155 should be nerfed to the ground. People trying to argue that it's balanced and there's nothing wrong with it are 🤡🤡 🤡

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 7:30 AM

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The 155 with a 400x4 autoloader would be a great idea. Strong if the enemy is stupid amd constantly exposes, weak as a single shot or dpm tank. It would make it unique amd balenced at the same time. Its a shame WG never respond in a channel under chat-with-devs... 🤷‍♀️

hybrid flume Oct 15, 2019, 7:31 AM

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@unique scaffold
Interesting. It might be especially bad for newbies' learning, but I am interested in an armour-focused light. I suppose this will be different from the t54 ltw in that you have more speed, better hull armour for its tier, and less gun.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 7:38 AM

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“Foch 155 needs a buff” 😂😂

slim rivet Oct 15, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Yes foch 155 needs a buff

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 7:40 AM

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The things that separate the T-54 Ltwt from the LTTB are these:

Tier differences (ie Opponents have more penetration)
A more defined role for the Ltwt (ie An aggressive scout)
Size: The Ltwt is a significantly bigger target than the LTTB, which makes its armor less effective.
Not entirely sure about the gun handling, but the Ltwt sure as hell doesnt have very good accuracy.

Overall, the LTTB is fine where it is as it still has troll armor and great speed.

P.S. Not entirely sure if people were just messing around with the Foch 155 needing a buff or anything, but some people took it seriously. This made some of us respond seriously, so dont go saying you were just joking when you put it in a serious tone.

hybrid flume Oct 15, 2019, 8:27 AM

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@velvet edge @unique scaffold Ever had some...wz 131g ft? Maybe some tier 5-7 jpanther line goodness? Or even the French tds leading to the amx ac 48? (rip flakbus) How about tier 5-7 Russian tds. The commonality between these tanks I've mentioned is that they are glass cannons with ~0.31 dispersion (some with refined gun equipment, which can be achieved on the Foch 155) and otherwise great gun characteristics. Most of them have ~30deg track traverse. No one complains about them because their characteristics are enough to be competitive. Now compare these tanks (on competitiveness in their own tier) to the Foch 155. The Foch, in addition to having similar mobility (way better than jg pz iv, which is compensated by its dpm), gets to have an armour profile that works against mediums when you use it like a 263.

Of course, it's not a 263. It has worse armour against high pen guns and a pair of cupolas. What the Foch has is an autoloader. How does that make for a different playstyle to the 263 or a t110e3? It farms dmg more than it blocks shells. That means being second line like a traditional td and, using the autoloader, using burst dmg to either punish someone from beside your maus or being dangerous on a flank. The latter of which is what you seem to be struggling with.

My suggestion: go get urself some russian/chinese/french tds and dont camp in them. The reason I'm making a point on your playstyle is because there are so many glass tds that many who have the Foch 155 (even the ones who had the French td line to grind bcos its there) would have some good idea on how to be successful in not-much-camp glass cannons; there is no simpler way of explaining it other than "don't come out here against this guy, push this guy, don't push there when..." which is also how you explain mediums. Unless you've been camping at low tiers all this time. Do that, then come back and tell me what u think. You might disagree, if so I await your thoughts.

orchid grove Oct 15, 2019, 8:39 AM

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@hybrid flume Uh, just thought you might want to know, but one of the guys whom you're trying to tell how to play the tank also has these 90 day stats

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indigo knot Oct 15, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Do Me

hybrid flume Oct 15, 2019, 11:11 AM

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@orchid grove then he could be clearer by saying "I don't like the tank" rather than "foch needs buff".

The foch is clearly working for him the way anyone would think it does.

regal root Oct 15, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Interesting,peeps r still complaining about Foch 155 when actually it's too good now already

rustic eagle Oct 15, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Copoula not even a weakspot anymore

dark pike Oct 15, 2019, 11:55 AM

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i can't pen the bloody thing even in the middle of the cupola with HEAT

thick rover Oct 15, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Yes because some parts are spaced and it's so troll T_T

hybrid flume Oct 15, 2019, 12:10 PM

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@dark pike try standard rounds

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Why they don't make the rangefinders a weak spot and the little cupola too.

static sierra Oct 15, 2019, 2:41 PM

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I dont understand why you guys have a problem with the Foch 155. As it stands, I have 150 battles in my Foch. I have a 55%wr and an average damage of only 1800. I find that the tank is weak when under constant fire and because of the awful traverse speeds it has. I do MUCH better in both the grille 15 and the jpze100.

As of now, mostly its just the really good players that have figured out the Foch and how to really play it. That makes it so other people think you can get it and its impervious to losing or anything. This leads to the common misconception that the tank is OP, which its not. I am an average player with 1900 wn8 (iTrApiX) And i feel that the foch is good in some circumstances but horrible in others.

dusky oxide Oct 15, 2019, 2:49 PM

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You dont understand? Go take a look at #devs-answers and dont give us the age old story of "maybe its just the really good players playing it" because the tank wasnt nearly as strong a couple updates ago.

Tier x is already world of tank destroyers but sure, lets make everything else lose meaning by making TDs as flexible as they could be. You want to sit back and farm dmg with a good camo value? Be our guest. Want to bounce shots or have the same mobility as a batchat for a moment? Sure, enjoy. Meanwhile your avg player doesnt even know how to flank in his medium so battles are more stationary than ever.

warm star Oct 15, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I legitimately can’t tell which of these pls buff foch posts are bs anymore

hearty steeple Oct 15, 2019, 2:56 PM

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I am still curious to see the stats in 6.3 , since it was buffed i am guessing a lot more players played it. Probably won't change much, the autoloading gun is by all means overcooked. I don't remember the tier 9 being buffed yet it is doing better in comparison to 6.1

slim rivet Oct 15, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Please buff foch 155 @warm star I would be ok with an armor buff

warm star Oct 15, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Literally all that it really needs to balanced it is like +1/2 secs to the clip reload time to decrease it’s dpm, autoloaders are supposed to have burst damage and meh dpm, not excellent dpm and burst damage

static sierra Oct 15, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Im still wondering why you all are so upset. Its like a FV183 that has an autoloader with the same damage output. If they remove the autoloader, you guys will be happy for about 5 mins before u complain about the 183 Hesh being OP again.

dusky oxide Oct 15, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Just because theres a lesser of 2 evils doesnt mean they arent both evil. Bad argument.

warm star Oct 15, 2019, 3:17 PM

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I don’t even have a problem with the deathstar, unless you yolo it or sit in front of it for 15 seconds it’s not gonna hit anything

drowsy plaza Oct 15, 2019, 3:23 PM

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covert snow Oct 15, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Foch weak weak

thick rover Oct 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Pls bufd grille camo

drifting depot Oct 15, 2019, 3:50 PM

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We all know the autoloader is hella broken even if it isn't so far from the stock gun in terms of dpm, Why? Well remember you can always go hide while reloading your whole clip, that basically explains everything

round sundial Oct 15, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Yeah, give it 2500-2600DPM for the autoloader, increase the burst damage a tiny bit, and bring back 60mm cupolas. Now foch is balanced

@full token By reducing intraclip reload to something like 5.5-6s

@noble siren I don't think that is neccesary, the only problem right now is the stupidly high nominal strength, so all the weird angles on it make it 50/50 shot even if you aim perfectly and neither u nor the Foch is moving.

full token Oct 15, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Increase burst damage how?

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 4:34 PM

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@round sundial also make the whole rangefinders being a hit box

hard nebula Oct 15, 2019, 4:35 PM

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@deft owl i dont care about 183 being the "worst T10" in those charts, a tank that has the ability to remove 2/3 to 3/4 of a med's HP should not be implemented in this game, stats means nothing for such a huge alpha damage

deft owl Oct 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Nobody cares what you dont care.

Back to discussion fv gun is balanced by having bad accuracy camo and armor.

Also we still have Kv-2 in game. That thing can directly delete any tier 5 and some tier 6 tanks in one shot.

drifting depot Oct 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Also, why does the periscopes on the foch count as spaced armor with the hatch in the middle only being the actual hatch while the periscope on the obj 268 counts as a hatch when it should be all spaced armor, why is it spaced armor in the foch then? That's the question

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deft owl Oct 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Make your research better next time. @drifting depot

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drifting depot Oct 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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@deft owl that's not what I mean, look at it, it's not even a hatch it is entirely a periscope

deft owl Oct 15, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Fochs is entirely a periscope also. But still middle part counts as main armor.

drifting depot Oct 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I don't think it looks like a periscope

deft owl Oct 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Its a range finder to be %100 correct. Its still not really the tanks armor in real life but its still counts as armor in game.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Maybe because it wasn’t that complete in real life

drowsy plaza Oct 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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It’s a coincidence range finder. It uses image overlay to determine range. The bar has optics on both ends that the gunner aligns the image to get a range readout.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Although Foch was never perfected of its issues but it never seemed to reach 155 stage

rigid wigeon Oct 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I will never understand why people always complain incessantly when WG buffs a tank that was out of meta to make it relevant again. Either find a way to counter it, play it yourself or play a different tier. WG usually waits two patches before adjusting a tank again. So spamming "nerf the foch" isn't going to make a difference.

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 7:14 PM

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@rigid wigeon the Foch was never out of the meta. It was a standard tier 10 td along with your WZ-113 and Obj. 268. Each tank had their own strong suits, but now the Foch completely outclasses any other TD (or tank, for that matter) at its tier...

rigid wigeon Oct 15, 2019, 7:30 PM

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It was basically just a worse 268. In comp, the 268 was used almost all the time instead of the foch. If that's not out of meta, I don't know what is. @formal vale

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 7:32 PM

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How was it out of the meta? It was faster and had better armor and traded it for dpm. That's not "a worse 268". Its a different tank. The reason the Foch wasn't popular back in the day was the tech tree that came before it, not the tank itself... @rigid wigeon

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 7:33 PM

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So your solution to balence is "play it yourself of play anything below tier 8". Sounds very good 🤦

It wasnt the best tank before but ut was still a solid choice. Just because it isnt used in comp it doesnt mean its not a good tank and it needs a huge buff to make it by far the best tier 10.

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 8:44 PM

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@formal vale The Foch does not outclass any tank at it's tier. I guess it's debatable if you compare it with the E3, as that tank has absolutely no redeemable features, but the Foch has nothing that is unique. The FV4005 has a superior autoloader, the 263 has superior overall mobility, and the Badger has a more usable armor profile. Hence why it needs a serious buff

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 8:45 PM

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@velvet edge honestly, what you just said is so stupid it's not worth a response...

Edit: The fact is that you just showed that its comparable to all of those tanks but just a little bit worse than them all, which shows that its OP. It has everything you would ever need. It's almost as mobile as the 263, almost has the same armor as the 263 and the Badger, almost has the autoloading capacity of the FV4005, etc. Smh

Edit 2: By being almost as good as everything else in each category, it becomes the best overall...

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 8:51 PM

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He lets just take the best parts from 3 good tanks and combine them together (toning them down very slightly), what could be more balenced than removing all weaknesses other than not having a turret 🤷‍♀️

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 8:54 PM

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You missed my point entirely. It is most definitely not comparable to any of those tanks. It is an inferior version in every aspect compared to those tanks. What the Foch tries to be is a jack of all trades, and it fails miserably which is what makes it such a useless tank.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Foch is not useless it is quite good

charred bobcat Oct 15, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Foch is very much useless.

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 9:03 PM

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@velvet edge No, you missed my point. The Foch can contend with any and all of those tanks with impunity. The fact is that it entirely outclasses any tank at tier 10. The combinations of mobility, armor, burst damage, dpm, penetration, camo, etc. coalesce into a monster for its tier.

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 9:04 PM

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That moment its so useless basically every twister game had 2 of them minimum 👌 @velvet edge

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 9:11 PM

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@distant river it's so useless and that's why every unicum has already 2k battles in it since WG made it broken. Foch 155 is the perfect combination of firepower, armor and speed. Can't understand the people saying that the Foch is "OK" now it's simply broken. This guy right here must be joking↓↓↓

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@formal vale Except the Foch lacks in almost every category compared to competitive tier 10s currently. The 155 can’t hit anything, the traverse is horrendous, and it simply is a 1 trick pony (at being bad). It’s so useless and incomprehensibly horrible, which is why you almost never see it in tourneys. The false lies and narratives that the Foch puts out are so aggravatingly wrong and untruthful that’s its a scam to even buy aFoch or look at one. It provides a false exceptional sense to new players that they dumbfounds play it with no regrets of purchasing or anger; however, to a skilled player the Foch is utterly useless. It cannot perform any battle task without failing and when it does succeed it merely takes what another player has done and builds off that. This game is a team game, but moments when the Foch’s only moments of success are stealing from your teammates then its no longer a successful tank its a thief and ungrateful and unsportsmanlike tank that promotes bad team play and the ultimatum is that if fuses multiple wrong and fake perceptions into one jumbled and unorganized list of traits of the Foch. A good tank has organization and a good backing; the Foch lacks both and ultimately serves as a breeding ground for the (excuse my language), the dumb people. It’s not a compelling playing experience and it is not a unique tank to play and have fun in. The French lines, to one, may make them think of strong rebellion in times like WWII, however, the Foch doesn’t and underperforms compared to its other tier 10 TD counterparts.

Edit: date of that information please

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Its hard to tell the trolls from the average player because of how pitiful the playerbase is 🤷‍♀️ @noble siren

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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@unique scaffold ah yes, so the stats must show this disparity between tier 10 TDs right?

Edit: "The Foch 155 is completely useless"
has highest average damage and win rate among tier 10 tds by a mile

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hard nebula Oct 15, 2019, 9:22 PM

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@deft owl apparently you seem like close minded to not understand that a tank removing 3/4 of a tank's HP should not be in this 7v7 game and not 15 vs 15 like on PC

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 9:29 PM

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@formal vale Multiple things are wrong with that “information.” First off, there are no dates between when the data was first collected and when it was stopped. Second off, that could be photoshop as I have never seen that before. Third, I haven’t read a bar graph since elementary school and in the real world, bar graphs are a scam so that also provides a false narrative on the capabilities of the Foch. Lastly, this information, whether, true or false, could’ve been taken on a different server and provides averages of that server, but not others. Due to the commas in the percentages I believe this must be from the European servers and as such, doesn’t correctly provide information on the Foch for NA or other server regions. The Foch 155 is underpowered and needs to be buffed in order for it to even reach standards of being competitive or somewhat decent for that matter. The Foch was even buffed a few updates ago which PROVES its underpowered capabilities in the past and as a result provides evidence that WG is experimenting with the possible solutions to the underpowered Foch then. Yes, the buff then did make it stronger, however, in the overall scheme of things it still isn’t strong enough to compete with most of the other tanks in tier 10. In conclusion, your data doesn’t support itself to being correct, at least being correct in the current game version and as such promotes a false truth that cant be backed up with relative information. However, I can back up my claims with a plethora of reasons such as for example, the Foch’s lack of presence in tournaments or anything competitive.

Edit: In light of this new information I can confidently say that information is still possibly outdated. That message regarding the bar graph was posted 14 days ago and in 14 days lots of things can happen. As a result I still stand with what I’ve said excluding my previous conspiracies on the graph.

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 9:31 PM

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@formal vale LMAO BRO😂 😂 😂 With my excuses mods but the person above me deserves to be called stupid ahahahhahahahaha😂 😂 😂 🤦 🤦 🤦😂 😂 🤦 🤦 😂 😂 😂 🤦 😂 🤦

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 9:34 PM

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@unique scaffold #devs-answers Literally the chat above this one...

Edit: My "source" is WG itself. They take data, compile it amongst the 55-65% win rate players, and use that to balance tanks. If that's what WG uses to balance tanks, I'm pretty sure its reliable...

rigid wigeon Oct 15, 2019, 9:39 PM

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looks at the WZ 120 ft, 183, obj 252u, lupus, 1er, t22......

Boys we did it. Imbalance is no more.

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 9:42 PM

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@unique scaffold you'd better be trolling because if not... Well that's sad for you
Edit: Just leave the game

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 9:43 PM

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How accurate could their data on the Foch 155 be though. WG is run by humans and humans by default make mistakes unintentionally. Combined with the fact that these tank “informations” are averaged, it allows for some major +/- in those statistics that don’t prove the real picture. And things on paper never show the entire picture. Those statistics could be promoting something other than what they originally meant to show. The Foch 155 is a weak tank that deserves to be buffed.. Even if that info is correct up until now, the 15th of October, the Foch 155’s bar is significantly higher than that of its TD counterparts. How are outliers created? With problems; how do you solve problems? Solutions; and the solution is to buff it in the categories regarding its gun, traverse, and etc.

And no, i am NOT trolling. Have you played the Foch after its buff a while ago? It’s extremely underpowered. I didn’t know WG took statistics of tanks and i admit that, but I am serious about the contingencies of the Foch and its manifestation within Blitz and its current hierarchicalogical play style.

Edit 2: “Edit: Just leave the game.” That’s proof you obviously do not respect my opinions. This is a discussion channel and as such I would like to believe WG mods/WG would allow some basic/moderate debating but that’s toxic behavior that isn’t supported. I’d love to continue this debate with you and friends but please keep this respectful.

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 9:46 PM

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@unique scaffold
1.) Calculators exist
2.) Computers, which are extensions of calculators, exist.
3. These computers run and record your game and your statistics.
4.) WG collects the data at the end of a patch that the server recorded.
5.) You're dealing with 55-65% wr players, which excell above the average playerbase.
6.) You no have big brain. You brain go dumb dumb

@velvet edge the Mauschen received an HP nerf. And yes, these statistics are very reliable for determining whether tanks are too strong or not.

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@formal vale You have to look at underlying reasons for stats. Just because a tank is showing top performance does not immediately mean it is strong or overpowered. There are multiple examples of this in previous statistical graphs. If you look at the update where the Mauschen first arrived, it had the highest winrate and damage among all tier 9s. Now look at recent updates, and despite the Mauschen receiving no balance changes it has dropped all the way to the middle of winrate and damage. But according to your "stats are everything" perspective, the Mauschen was clearly op. So how did it fall?
It was because the Mauschen was a new tank. Your average player will probably not have checked the statistics of it, and thus be unprepared on how to fight against it, which is what creates this statistical outlier. The same thing is happening with the Foch 155 right now. Many players who don't keep up with news (and this is a much larger number than you would imagine) may not have even realised that the Foch has been given an autoloader. Once more of them do, the Foch's performance will naturally decrease a lot later to where it belongs.

@distant river Yeah the Mauschen was definitely behind a paywall too

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Just remember guys, the foch is balenced because its clearly a new tank that only certain people can play because its behind a paywall or something 👌

And the charioteer was definitely balenced as well because it was a new tank. And the mauschen was kinda behind a paywall for a bit because most people dont have that much free xp

rigid wigeon Oct 15, 2019, 9:52 PM

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@formal vale it lost like 100 hp or something. Hardly a major nerf and certainly not enough of a nerf to go from the top of the graph to somewhere in the middle

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 9:55 PM

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The Foch is another tier 10 and as such its not behind a paywall. Grinding is all that is needed and unlike the Badger and others it isn’t a collector tank that requires money to achieve. The Foch is underpowered. Look at other tanks that were considered “OP.” The Black Prince was screamed to be OP when it was buffed, however, it isn’t that OP. All it requires is a good driver and mobility to fight it; the gist is having a brain to fight a tank that’s “overpowered.” The Foch 155 isn’t that good, its quite horrid and needs to be buffed in order to maintain its tier 10 status or else it could be dropped to a tier 9 because of how underperforming it is. The Foch already has a tumor of a cupola that’s extremely easy to pen, the sides are practically paper which warrant 1000 HE damage shots from across the maps, and the traverse and gun are equally bad. The speed is the only relieving thing but still useless when its a 1v7 and a GOOD GUN and GOOD TRAVERSE matter. @nimble zodiac A versatile tank such as the SU-101M1 or the SU-101

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 9:59 PM

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@rigid wigeon it was 200 HP, an aim time nerf, and a dispersion nerf. That would explain the drop in WR and avg dmg. @velvet edge

Edit: Update 5.9. You can check the patch notes on Blitz Hangar

nimble zodiac Oct 15, 2019, 9:59 PM

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When will any tank be good for a 1v7? If a tank can pull off a 1v7 I don’t think it needs a buff

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 9:59 PM

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@unique scaffold your statement is the same as "buff the armor on is 4" "fv183 is on the bottom of the charts sl it needs massive buff" "Smasher can't one shot TigerP from the front plz buff". So you kinda understand that your opinion is automatically trash. You are going to get support only from Foch155 players and no one else. You only make fun of yourself and the sad part is that you think you're "right".
Edit: Stop writing nonsenses because it starts to get annoying. You obviously haven't played the tank and I'm not sure if you have even played the game. From the way you talk you are maximum 47% WR, absolutely no knowledge about the game and the tanks at tier 10. I'm starting to wonder if you have even reached at least tier 9.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Except looking at those graphs in #devs-answers from 6.1 to 6.2 there is massive difference in the WR bar of the Foch 155 as well as in damage. This is related to the players not the tank. The players strove for a better playing experience merely became better players as a whole. If you look at it in terms of hardware and software then the Foch 155’s “hardware” still sucks, the players, being the “software” redeems it. However, that’s only for the players who gave their best into becoming good at the Foch; for the majority of the player base they can’t reach levels as high as the 6.2 graph claim to do. The Foch 155 needs a buff regarding the gun dispersion and/or traverse in order for it to reach levels of basic tank rights as its so underpowered currently it cant do anything itself. @winged barn Evidence? If you have a photo or link DM it me; I don’t think mods would like attachments in chat I No i haven’t watched any recent tourneys partly because they build so much hype for no reason; but I will look out for those now and check back on past ones and see their lineups. Thanks for actually providing proof/evidence to back your claims unlike some ppl here lol

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 10:07 PM

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@formal vale that's fair, I did not know about that. my bad.
But @unique scaffold's BP example definitely stands
I definitely recall lots of complaining about it when it was first buffed, and you fast forward to today, no one even mentions it. And that tank has in fact received a buff (in the form of the new consumables). It's just the same case with the Foch here, people will get used to the new mechanic and realise what it really is like.

distant river Oct 15, 2019, 10:08 PM

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People have already got used to the foch being op 🤦

nimble zodiac Oct 15, 2019, 10:10 PM

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I mean FV4005 has a larger clipping damage ability in 6 seconds, not 7, but then again the armor is what balances from the lack of a turret

winged barn Oct 15, 2019, 10:10 PM

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For the foch being an underperforming tier 10 it is featured in the twister tournament quite a lot.

@unique scaffold have you watched any of the tournament replays? I suggest looking at the lineups of the tanks teams are running

@unique scaffold I honestly cannot tell if that was sarcasm or not. Do you want me to sift through the many hours of streams to get screenshots of basically every match containing fochs?

round sundial Oct 15, 2019, 10:10 PM

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He is trolling and you are all taking the bait🤦

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 10:11 PM

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"Wow I can't believe how much of a better player I've become! Ever since I bought that Foch 155 and started playing it non-stop, my stats have just improved!"
That's you right now @unique scaffold

@velvet edge there was a lot of complaining about the tank being OP because it now had 3k dpm, but then people realized it doesnt have reliable armor and its incredibly slow, so they kinda just stopped. Everyone knows how to beat a BP, and the consumables were put in place to remedy that.

static sierra Oct 15, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Anyone who says it needs a nerf is also just wrong

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Imagine trolling just for entertainment
Grow up

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Imagine if these guys are not trolling
Pray for them

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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I am not trolling and I don’t appreciate you even suggesting that. I seriously want to see the Foch buffed. It’s outdated and needs work on; look on recent YouTube videos of it and seriously doesn’t perform as well as you all think it does

Edit: All of these offensive reactionary emojis on my messages and a few on some other people’s are not that professional. Please keep this civilized. If you don’t agree with someone’s point then just say it, don’t add derogatory emojis that imply more than such

jade cargoBOT Oct 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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dynoSuccess better#4952 has been warned.

rigid wigeon Oct 15, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Girls you're all pretty
WG tweak the foch eventually
You're all wasting a ton of time tying essays on discord about a game we play for fun. Go outside and do something useful with your lives instead of arguing in circles

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 10:17 PM

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And everyone knows how to beat a Foch. Simply aim for the cupola and trade over hills, where it doesn't have gun depression. In the city it's even easier, as the bad gun arc means that they have to completely turn around corners, giving easy side shots. If they sidescrape then you have the cupola to hit.

@unique scaffold not trolling.

unreal oxide Oct 15, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Peoples who complain about Foch and want it to be nerfed surely doesn’t have the tank in their garage, I’m not saying it needs a buff but it doesn’t need a nerf either

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:21 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502017295107883008/628555019087773706/6.2_-_tier_10.png

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The stats say otherwise. Sure looks like the Foch is over performing.

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 10:22 PM

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"Ooga booga but what if that's photoshopped"
@unique scaffold scroll up and you'll see what I mean. Human Cookie was questioning where I got my data lol.
Ah cool, no biggie

Edit: @eager merlin I wonder why that is 🤔

eager merlin Oct 15, 2019, 10:22 PM

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It is because the Foch is an easy tank to play while other tanks are harder to play

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Then look in dev answers ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I doubt they'd Photoshop their own results.

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I got it bud

winged barn Oct 15, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Why would they buff the glacial lower plate to that extent. The gun is what makes the tank painful to play, not the armor profile

stoic pebble Oct 15, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I won't weigh in with my opinion here since I don't own the Foch, but perhaps someone with the Foch 155 could play 30-ish games with the single shot gun and 30 with the autoloader to see if there really is a difference. There are significant issues with this experiment but perhaps it will give a good idea of what the autoloader does to the effectiveness of the vehicle. It won't truly be the pre-buff state, but it will be similar, if not worse with the single shot gun because of a lack of a gun rammer.

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 10:27 PM

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already discussed the stat chart above
have you even played the foch? @formal vale
so many times I hear players complaining about a tank when they haven't even played it themselves
you'd be lying if you say that's never happened to you before. I've thought a tank was OP before, then I played myself and completely changed my mind.

@stoic pebble I've done both. The single shot is clearly superior, although there is a difference in how the tank is played with each gun.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Have you questioned are you bad in the foch^^?

noble siren Oct 15, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Bruh Ferdinand is stronger than Foch 155 plz buff armor

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nimble zodiac Oct 15, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Did he legit just say the Foch is outdated? The buff wasn’t that long ago

slim rivet Oct 15, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Buff Foch pleassssse

unreal oxide Oct 15, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Foch is over performing because good players are spamming it since it got his two shots clip, tbh I don’t see lot of noobs playing Foch(even if I’m playing a lot in tier 10) unlike a 183, I mean it’s not rare to see 1-2 183 in each teams, Foch is fine like that

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 10:34 PM

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@velvet edge I dont need to play the Foch to analyze statistics...

I can see from replays, data representations, and even this conversation alone that the Foch does need a nerf, not a buff.

Imagine thinking that numbers can't display how the general state of the performance of a tank is impacting the game. The Foch is OBJECTIVELY overpowered. That means that, regardless of your or my opinion, it is broken.

Numbers dont care about your experience. If you perform badly or dont like the tank, that's your experience. The numbers, however, show that the tank is OP.

Note: I notice that you perform pretty well in the tank, doomy. I'm curious if you're saying its underpowered because you want to think that you're the reason you're doing well and that it isn't the tank. Believe me, it's both you and the tank. The tank isn't the sole reason you're doing well, but you're not the sole reason it's doing well either. Your other tanks and statistics are evidence of that.

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Now he’s another point people here seem to have over looked and have mentioned but not caught wind of it good players can use the Foch and even agree it’s too strong GOOD players

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Lol foch is objectively one of my worst tanks
and likewise is objectively a horrible tank

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:42 PM

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^^^

mellow cape Oct 15, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Are we in a circus here?

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Nothing personal to all involved parties but I prefer data to opinions. The data shows that among 55-65% wr players the Foch is overperforming.

nimble zodiac Oct 15, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Easy tank to exploit? Hm?

formal vale Oct 15, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Again, its objectively overpowered.

@unique scaffold We checked them a while ago. 3600 avg dmg 🤷

unique scaffold Oct 15, 2019, 10:49 PM

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I don’t want to bring stats into this but anyone mind checking his Foch stats

charred bobcat Oct 15, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Same could be said about the foch. People thought it would be OP but then they realized the sides, drivewheel, and viewport are very weak, the traverse is incredibly slow, and the accuracy is very bad.
V He is not trying to defend the foch from getting nerfed. He wants foch to get a buff. 😉

mellow cape Oct 15, 2019, 10:53 PM

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It just feels like he's trying to defend foch because he is using it to stat pad

rigid wigeon Oct 15, 2019, 10:55 PM

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The Foch isn’t that hard to fight once you figure out where you can pen it (which is also easy to figure out)

Edit: the black prince had insane stats for the first month after it got buffed because idiots kept yoloing into its 3k DPM. I’d wager the t22 had insane stats for the first couple months it was out because a lot of unicums bought it and no one knew how to pen it. Now most people know where to pen it. @nimble zodiac

nimble zodiac Oct 15, 2019, 10:57 PM

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So apparently nobody figured out how to fight it, giving 2925 average damage, that’s actually not extremely good, but rules in comparison.

lunar niche Oct 15, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Foch 155 outdated? JgPz E100 and Grille are outdated too. Plz buff.

mellow cape Oct 15, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Yeah dude T-22 is outdated as well please buff

velvet edge Oct 15, 2019, 11:23 PM

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t-22 is an equally horrible tank

charred bobcat Oct 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

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T 22 needs to overexpose for shots and the ufp is worthless.

drifting depot Oct 16, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Give the jag e100 the ability to use hesh and a 17cm autoloader 😔

fossil halo Oct 16, 2019, 12:19 AM

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🤔 🤔 🤔 👌

visual steppe Oct 16, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Bruh doomy g @velvet edge

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Foch is legit trash everybody knows that, everything cookie and doomy are saying makes sense to me

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2019, 1:28 AM

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The Foch needs to be buffed regardless of the statistics. It’s been proven according to my sources that it’s underperforming.

ashen rune Oct 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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hmm yes i c

formal vale Oct 16, 2019, 1:43 AM

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@unique scaffold genuinely curious to hear what your sources are lol

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2019, 1:45 AM

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My experiences
Doomy
The 10 Foch players I saw today

formal vale Oct 16, 2019, 1:53 AM

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I see, so the majority of the WoTB playerbase or you and 11 other people? What was that about bad data again? Weren't you the one talking about photoshopped data sets and fake news? 🤔

shy wren Oct 16, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Wow, this argument of the Foch 155 is quite a dumpster fire...

jade cargoBOT Oct 16, 2019, 2:36 AM

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dynoSuccess Deutschmeister#0108 was muted

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2019, 2:39 AM

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10 Foch players I used were a basepoint. Similar to researchers in open spaces where they measure the biodiversity of a plot of land x square miles and then find the average of that and using math are able to calculate the biodiversity of the entire plot.

Same principle here. Using the 10 Foch players I can base a rough estimate on the capabilities of the Foch based on the results and the results showed poor performances by players ranging from 40% to 59%

velvet edge Oct 16, 2019, 2:40 AM

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I'd like to point out that the data set you use also isn't the majority of the wotb playerbase
The number of players that are 55-65% winrate are a minority compared to the playerbase average winrate of 48%

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 2:41 AM

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its a simple case of deductive reasoning

gentle finch Oct 16, 2019, 2:44 AM

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I concur

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Good for you

nimble zodiac Oct 16, 2019, 3:59 AM

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If you still don’t like the Foch, maybe enjoy the good old days and use the non auto-loader

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When nobody really demanded a buff, other than their wish for it to have an autoloader because 4005 did

warm star Oct 16, 2019, 4:20 AM

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The foch meme is muy fresh 👌

drifting depot Oct 16, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Hey so lower tier is now fun to play yaaaay, buuuuuut I think the m6's upper glacis is just as overcooked as the vk 36 01 H

languid whale Oct 16, 2019, 5:13 AM

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All I would've done for the Foch 155 was increase the alpha on its AP to compensate for the longer reload on it's single shot gun compared to other tier 10 TDs, The Autoloader is just crazy and is now 1 less reason to play the grilles if the Foch was buffed in it's current state it would be even more ridiculously op
You don't see me complaining about the kv2s reload, the reload makes the tank unplayable in close quarters fights so does that mean we should buff it's reload?

random bear Oct 16, 2019, 6:29 AM

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Foch needs an armor, speed buff & a 3 clip autoloader...since others have a 3 clip too u know...just to be fair

flat bane Oct 16, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Leo has a better auto loader now :000

ancient palm Oct 16, 2019, 7:09 AM

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@random bear I'm surprised you're still not banned with that name of yours

hybrid flume Oct 16, 2019, 7:49 AM

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First the foch, which is still going on. Now the t22 is here too. R u srs.

@ancient palm a little less vulgar than what I'd like my name to be

tired wolf Oct 16, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Hello

unreal oxide Oct 16, 2019, 8:18 AM

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@formal vale You said it yesterday: you don’t even have the Foch in your garage, otherwise you would know that the buff was really needed for this tank

tired wolf Oct 16, 2019, 8:23 AM

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^^^^^

noble siren Oct 16, 2019, 8:48 AM

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Hey guys let's leave the trolls. What do you think if the leopard 1 gets only an acceleration buff, I think this is gonna be very useful for the tank and will compensate for it's paper armor.

velvet edge Oct 16, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Leo needs to be nerfed lol
The mobility, gun handling, and dpm are far too strong
Paper armor does not balance it

thick rover Oct 16, 2019, 9:59 AM

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@noble siren Yes ok

sacred oriole Oct 16, 2019, 10:27 AM

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Yeah, the leapord really ahould be nerfed, or atleast placed in aa different tier

noble siren Oct 16, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Wut? How when it's the second worst tank from all meds according to the charts?

deft owl Oct 16, 2019, 10:41 AM

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@velvet edge Bruh go troll somewhere else.

thick rover Oct 16, 2019, 10:46 AM

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^

rustic eagle Oct 16, 2019, 11:27 AM

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I dont get all these lower tier buffs... balancing department must be playing with yoyos. Nerf lower tiers then buff lower tiers. Make up your minds

iron hearth Oct 16, 2019, 11:35 AM

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i dont get the glacial buff now it has 220 mm lower plate not angled and 300 mm upper plate 😐 , like i get it , it wasnt super strong but now its op

coarse harness Oct 16, 2019, 12:08 PM

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Anyone knows what's the reason of the K-91 buff ?

round sundial Oct 16, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Balance comrade😏

clever void Oct 16, 2019, 12:11 PM

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The K-91 is a bit meh even with this buff. It is quite difficult to do well in this tank

quick lichen Oct 16, 2019, 12:19 PM

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The k-91 is amazing lol

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The nightmare has 376 m/s shell velocity. If you shoot from rail to rail on desert sands, it might hit your target by tomorrow

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 12:50 PM

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aCcOrDinG tO tHE cHaRtS

meager spruce Oct 16, 2019, 12:53 PM

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According to the charts the K91 is played so little that it doesn't even show up on them. So yeah, i think the buff was a good idea

round sundial Oct 16, 2019, 12:56 PM

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But it is played so little because it is a premium tank that was quite expensive and hasn't been sold many times afaik

indigo knot Oct 16, 2019, 1:13 PM

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I hope that Halloween costume Stug is a collector so I could get gold.... atleast 1k

coarse harness Oct 16, 2019, 1:39 PM

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You can get 250 gold for the Scavanger soooo...🤷🏻‍♂️

narrow peak Oct 16, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Ok

rose blaze Oct 16, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Tbh I still don't like the fact that WG removed the 105 for balance in lower tiers just to add it again on a premium or clooector tank

quick lichen Oct 16, 2019, 2:06 PM

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There aren’t enough k91 owners to appear on the charts...

static sierra Oct 16, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I love the buff, the clip reload stays the same and you get that little extra burst damage. I only played 90 games total but I loved it before and after

noble siren Oct 16, 2019, 2:19 PM

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The buff on K-91 is kinda reasonable but isn't the buff on Glacial kinda overcooked?

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 2:27 PM

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I am talking about the foch on the charts

thick rover Oct 16, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Glacial buffed again?

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Superpershing is super nerf, riddled with weakspots, bad gun, not enough armor to justify the terrible t6 engine. Some ways of improving could be to keep the gun the same but give it the historical engine so it can flank, if so, buff the side armor. Front armor needs extra leyer of spaced armor from the pc version. Make the turret cheek protectors point down instead of up. Either make the gun mantlet longer so we can look up to block shots to the forehead of the tank or put some armor there. If not any of these, give it a more accurate gun with better handling so it can stay at a medium distance without missing most shots.
Tiger 2 is too op. The frontal armor cannot be penned by apcr on most meds and lights. give it a weakspot. It literally just became the vk100.01p but no weakspot. Ping me if anyone has a rebuttle.

viscid kettle Oct 16, 2019, 3:15 PM

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so you are saying the superpershing sucks and needs a buff? seems fine to me. Did it get a nerf I missed or are we talking about the same o tank as always?

iron drum Oct 16, 2019, 3:15 PM

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it was fine before

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 3:15 PM

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it needs a nerf

tawdry condor Oct 16, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@quick lichen 376 m/s shell velocity? what?

maybe this is how WG should've nerfed the 183 instead lol it can keep broken camo. it can keep its gun handling. it can keep the traverse. but it'll be useless to snipe across the map with

distant river Oct 16, 2019, 3:40 PM

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That is actually a very good idea, buff the gun handling back up and give it a bit more camo (not what it used to be) and give it the same shell velocity as the SP1Cs HE (338m/s)

deft owl Oct 16, 2019, 3:40 PM

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@quick lichen K91 never had such low muzzle velocity.

quick lichen Oct 16, 2019, 3:56 PM

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@deft owl read it again. Nightmare refers to the tank

dreamy crest Oct 16, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Glacial needed better gun handling or gun depression not armor

quick lichen Oct 16, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Its needed that since it came out

round stag Oct 16, 2019, 7:31 PM

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The Tier VIII Chieftan/T95 is looking more like a Tier VII.

static sierra Oct 16, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Na

velvet edge Oct 16, 2019, 7:54 PM

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@deft owl I am being completely serious
The leo can take on any heavy in the game with it's mobility and dpm, and it has the highest dpm for a 350 alpha gun
It can do almost anything: spot enemy really quickly, then get out and flank, or even snipe
The leo should have it's dpm and mobility nerfed

deft owl Oct 16, 2019, 7:55 PM

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@velvet edge Leo is second worst tier x med and you want it to even nerf further. I dont know how are you being serious.

noble siren Oct 16, 2019, 8:11 PM

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@velvet edge your opinions are trash. You should stop writing such nonsenses because it starts to annoy other people very much (at least me). You have no facts or anything, you are speaking like 45% noob who got Is7 and he is sad that he can't shoot through walls. Stop making fun of yourself. @cobalt crane this is also for you.
Edit: @devout plinth these kids are really annoying

devout plinth Oct 16, 2019, 8:15 PM

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lulw people who get angry on the internet are even more silly than people who troll on the internet 🍿

charred bobcat Oct 16, 2019, 8:28 PM

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@noble siren Doomy speaking like a 45% noob? Uh he's probably one of the more reliable sources since he has very high knowledge of the game and application of it. Just because you don't understand how to play a good tank that requires good situational awareness doesn't mean that the tank is bad.

devout plinth Oct 16, 2019, 8:29 PM

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when Doomy wantin to nerf a leo, Oh no no no

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I suspect there is a fair amount of trolling taking place here.

static sierra Oct 16, 2019, 8:54 PM

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@unique scaffold being a mod must be hard with over 2k players online at one time

noble siren Oct 16, 2019, 9:10 PM

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@charred bobcat 🤦 🤦 🤦 😂 😂 😂 😂

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2019, 9:13 PM

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@velvet edge it is true it has high dpm and speed but that is all leipard is just good for circling tds or shoot one shot fron side it has very high chance of being spotted and if you play againts any tier 9,10 td you are gonna get killed by it also it has very big weakspot of ammoracking , you are most likely get ammo damaged every second round which lower the dpm if you dont own a lot of repair kits

vagrant valley Oct 16, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Can I make a suggestion and put the smasher back in stores? Say what you think??

round sundial Oct 16, 2019, 9:38 PM

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It would be a great idea. I am actually serious. The more players have it, the more apparent it becomes that it needs a nerf and the bigger issue it will cause in WG's graphs. It would be much more likely to get nerfed then. Either that or it would simply ruin the T7. It's a gamble😂

flat bane Oct 16, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I scrolled up and somebody said that the JG pz E100 needs a buff because it's "irrelevant"👏 😂 👌

mellow cape Oct 16, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Smasher should be put back in crates in store yes agreed, and this time with a higher cost

velvet edge Oct 16, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Smasher is an ok tank, but I think that it could really use a mobility buff. It is nice that overall it's an improved KV-2, but that is to be expected since it's a tier higher. It really just cannot keep up with circling mediums and lights, which is exactly what the tier 7 meta is because of all the premiums running around.
It definitely needs something like a traverse buff of maybe 15 degrees, or the Smasher is just completely useless in the face of something like the Type 62 or Dracula

mellow cape Oct 16, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Agreed, WZ-120-1 FT could use an armor buff as well to the upper plate since it can be penned by pramo

nimble zodiac Oct 16, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Last time I checked heavies kept their distance from meds or lights, but again I think Smasher needs nine quintillion more frontal armor, to define it as a heavy 😐

languid whale Oct 16, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Just leave doomy alone he keeps arguing tanks need buffs just because there's things that are keeping them from being extremely op.
All these people saying foch needs a buff are just crazy and should be left to rant on their own

flat bane Oct 16, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Why is WZ 120 the worst performing med at T9. This is impossible

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 11:06 PM

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@noble siren you have nothing to say against facts and logic I see, no respect for opinions? You haven't said anything with any logic on why foch shouldn't be buffed, just trolling by spouting out your meaningless jumbled nonsense, it is quite obvious to me that you add no real value to this conversation and therefore i conclude your opinions or anything you say are irrelevant to this discussion.

nimble zodiac Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Well I wonder why nobody really complained about the Foch before it got an autoloader

rigid wigeon Oct 16, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Why is no one complaining about the m48 Patton right now? @nimble zodiac

unique scaffold Oct 16, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Foch trash it need buff

cobalt crane Oct 16, 2019, 11:27 PM

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@nimble zodiac what are you talking about, they did.

nimble zodiac Oct 16, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Not as spammy as now

mellow cape Oct 16, 2019, 11:30 PM

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M48 patton needs a nerf tbh, the turret is way too strong on it and it also has good depression and good mobility, these things combined with a great gun make it OP, I suggest making the turret 120mm thinner in all areas as well as removing gun mantlet and reducing DPM by 1000

hasty juniper Oct 17, 2019, 12:39 AM

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The fact that you can circle the Foch and the 183 in a T6 Dracula with engine boost means they're both useless and in severe need of heavy buffs so that this won't be possible.

winged barn Oct 17, 2019, 1:01 AM

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You forget about the t110e3

velvet edge Oct 17, 2019, 1:05 AM

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@nimble zodiac No one complained about it before because it was an ok tank then. The autoloader has ruined both the single shot and the Foch in general. You can't run a rammer anymore on the first gun because wg just changed it to be vents or calibrated shells only, which makes the dpm so much lower. And of course the autoloader is unplayable, so you only have the option of playing a really bad dpm single shot.

velvet edge Oct 17, 2019, 1:37 AM

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@mellow cape No, patton is fine as it is. Definitely one of the stronger mediums, but not enough to warrant a nerf

unique scaffold Oct 17, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Nerf Patton buff foch

languid whale Oct 17, 2019, 1:46 AM

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^both trolls

wind pendant Oct 17, 2019, 2:59 AM

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foch needs phatty nerf. @unique scaffold i really hope youre joking because it would be unfortunate to know that you had brain damage

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 2:59 AM

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@velvet edge the leo sucks against other mediums. Period.

@velvet edge no one wants the smasher to be buffed. Unless, of course, you think that it is supposed to brawl with t8 hts, which it does well for a t7 ht. This brawling capability that I have just mentioned is half of what makes the smasher op as it is. The other half is the accurate gun for a 152mm cannon.

@orchid grove he who? @unique scaffold or @velvet edge ?
Answer: maybe not mr. "Buff le foch"

@craggy dust enlighten me, who here is serious and who isn't.

@mellow cape its either you hit his gun mantlet or, well, has sacrificed some of the characteristics present in the t62a for the armor.

@hasty juniper no one is talking to u

orchid grove Oct 17, 2019, 3:01 AM

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At this point, I'm pretty sure he's trolling

craggy dust Oct 17, 2019, 3:01 AM

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It's funny how you people cant tell what joke is lol

mellow cape Oct 17, 2019, 3:05 AM

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@velvet edge I just faced one in my obj 268 which has best HEAT pen in the game and bounced 3 shots on his turret and then proceeded to kill me with his quick firing gun, how is this possible or even balanced? Patton is absurd and needs a nerf to both the turret and the gun

thick rover Oct 17, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Buff 183

hushed sparrow Oct 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Please give the foch 155 a buff. It is pretty useless right now. I think it needs a clip of three 640 alpha shells to be useful.

quartz crown Oct 17, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Please buff the esports scene

craggy dust Oct 17, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Buff wz1201ft and skorpion,252u

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 3:20 AM

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@velvet edge the leo is also the worst at role playing a heavy, which other mediums are capable of.

@thick rover no one needs it to be buffed. Why? Cuz no one wants a balanced 183. That thing is played purely for giggles with its enormous alpha. If it were balanced everyone would winge on about how campy t10 becomes again.

@hushed sparrow I assume you have played it. And if you have, tell me this:

Is the tank fast enough for you to be useful without a 1920 clip, which you can already achieve with two he shells? Isn't it as fast as the 263 already?

Is it the accuracy that's bothering you? Ever equipped refined gun on the foch 155?

@craggy dust nice joke.

@quartz crown blizzard may need a severe buff.

@hushed sparrow or is it the armor? Can you tell me how that would be the worst part about the tank, assuming you know how to play it?

@round sundial if wg then nerfs the smasher it will devalue their tanks as unnerfable machines.

@velvet edge the clip reload is 16 seconds. If it hasn't got to your ears yet, that's as long as the single shot reload on the other gun. So, effectively, your reload is 16s half the time and 7.1s the other half. And you can reload your clip, so that you get a 7.1s reload when you want.

hushed sparrow Oct 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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@quartz crown you need a buff, first. Then we can talk esport scene buffs.

@hybrid flume you're right, I guess they could buff the speed. That would make it more useful. Or maybe they could put a turbo charged engine in it? But I also think it need the new consumables, because we need to have fair gameplay. Also, buffing the armor might not be a bad idea, but we could start by removing the copulas. Because those things make it too easy to pen.

@hybrid flume another idea is to make the foch 155 an autoreloader.

quartz crown Oct 17, 2019, 3:31 AM

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@hushed sparrow Wow, I see how it is. Not very cash money of you.

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 3:33 AM

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@hushed sparrow so its the mobility that upsets you the most. Tbh I hardly have a hard time myself in my fv215b, so heres what I have to say:

Paying attention to the map lets you start moving earlier; even a batchat can't run from an e100 that's 10m away without getting shot first.

...autoreloader? I just told someone that the clip reload resembles the reload of the single shot gun. I do not think the foch needs that additional flexibility.

@quartz crown teh english. "How very cash money of you"

surreal widget Oct 17, 2019, 3:36 AM

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I HAVE been playing the Bushka WZ-120 and I think IT BAD can we get some HELP on the tank

hushed sparrow Oct 17, 2019, 3:39 AM

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@quartz crown WG needs to give you higher rng roles than everyone else because you deserve them.

You've been working hard for your team and you should get a big reward.

quartz crown Oct 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Yuh, thanks. I appreciate that. You play on NA? @hushed sparrow

hushed sparrow Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Yes, I do

@hybrid flume no and it basically means not very cool. He just misunderstood what I was trying to say

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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@surreal widget simple. No snapshots. No dpm wars. It's a big glass cannon unless you side hug someone.

@hushed sparrow you friends? I still don't understand your buddy's first sentence.

hushed sparrow Oct 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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@hybrid flume let's try to focus on how we can get the foch buffed. I need to go sleep, but tomorrow we can get a game plan together and write a 10 page essay to WG about it. I'll let you draft it. I can review when you're done and we'll both sign it. Hopefully that will show them how much the foch needs a buff. Goodnight

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 4:08 AM

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@hushed sparrow do I even want the foch to be buffed? If it's the tier 9 foch then sure...

languid whale Oct 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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The tier 9 foch is already op against tier 8s...

unique scaffold Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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For Reference: Track Image is Pic 1, cupola image is Pic 2, and overall Foch is Pic 3

As you can see from these images the Foch 155 physically presents a lot of weaknesses that tend to undermine its performance within battle. For pic 2 (see key at top), the cupolas are insanely huge. The small turret is a common weakspot that enemies exploit and the radar thing on the right is harder to pen but equally as devastating to the driver. It undermines the playing experience and most players don’t realize when buying the Foch that this can provide a false narrative to their gameplay as they believe these addons are unpennable and therefore OK, but the truth is, they aren’t. For pic 1, you can obviously see a huge issue with the tracks. Those tracks already appear to have a low traverse speed and in which they do. Coupled with the weak to decent engine the Foch 155 turns at an unbelievably slow rate which tends to let enemies outflank you. Therefore the tracks should be buffed in traverse to prevent issues like this. For pic 3 you can get a feel for how week this tank is. The lower glacis is so revealing to enemies and the cupolas are huge exploits to the enemy. The sides are extremely weak and because of the long sides its a bigger target for enemies side on. Therefore the Foch 155 should be buffed in tracks to quickly turn the frontal armor to targets and/or the gun be buffed as well as the dispersion currently makes shots hit the dirt despite aiming fully. The Foch 155 is not a competitive tank and by buffing the tracks and/or gun disp it allows it to reach somewhat decent standards to play that allow it to become a useful and unique tank to play within wotb

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@hybrid flume Some pretty valid points you bring up. Evidence to back it up? As someone earlier said its really easy to circle the 155 and that means the traverse should be buffed to where its not OP, but at least good enough to let the Foch turn fast enough to deal with enemies. Literally takes 1000 hours (exaggeration) to turn 180 degrees currently lol

Also, the front drive wheels are really exposed which can also hinder the Foch. Those could possibly be covered up with more side skirts but that seems a bit too extreme

sharp mantle Oct 17, 2019, 4:37 AM

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I shot the foch cupola about 1000 times

iron lynx Oct 17, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Foch 155 needs a buff, yes.
Not strong enough to 1 v 7.

tranquil oak Oct 17, 2019, 5:14 AM

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isu 152 stock needs a buff its completely useless even if you have the 122mm gun from su 152 even is 3 can easily circle of death you and thats just stupid

iron lynx Oct 17, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Stock Leopard PTA gets killed to bits, so wg should buff stock PTA?

flat bane Oct 17, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Remove every tank from the game and buff training rooms

drifting depot Oct 17, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Did someone just want the foch 155 to receive a traverse buff because it doesn't turn fast enough to deal with enemies? Buddy 90% turretless tds have the exact same issue

flat bane Oct 17, 2019, 5:47 AM

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:O

unique scaffold Oct 17, 2019, 5:49 AM

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The side armour is too weak ( hesh shell from ds can penetrate it). Pls buff the side armour

iron lynx Oct 17, 2019, 5:50 AM

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No no, Foch 155 must be buffed.
Although it can fight heavy tanks, slow medium tanks and tank destroyers, light tanks and fast meds have a chance at flanking it. It is totally unacceptable for tanks to be able to flank le Foch. Traverse must be buffed to retain French superiority.
Also pls buff Foch clip, 3.3k DPM with 2 155mm shells is not enough to pull off a 1v5.

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 6:00 AM

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@unique scaffold
I suppose it could get a traverse buff to 30 degrees on medium terrain.

As I've brought up once, I am a fv215b heavy driver. I don't need to have a strong drivewheel because it's always at auto bounce angle. (See picture) Besides, they have my lower glacis to shoot at when I come out (I don't usually offer my lower plate in front of a tank in battle).

I have worse drivewheel problems than you, foch

To put it simply, I sidescrape out first before I come out at this angle:

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hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 6:18 AM

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I understand that the low traverse speed on the foch can make what I have described difficult. I also understand that the foch needs to rely on its front plate to output dmg, requiring severe angles. What I suggest is playing a little more passively against heavies. You will still have to play frontline at times, for which the traverse buff will be great.

However, a foch is to be played as a foch: a faster 268 with no pikenose. Mediums are your priority because it's the only thing the foch can deal with better than the 268. The foch is also designed to be working with mts because these teammates need to have speed and dpm to take the opportunities the autoloading foch brings to the table: clearing medium flanks with the foch as a heavy and clearing tanks with the autoloader and some extra dpm (which the progetto has in one tank atm).

noble siren Oct 17, 2019, 7:52 AM

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I see that no one is serious any more so why should I? Foch is unreliable heavy tank. It's french tank so it has to have greater speed in reverse than the speed when driving forward. Next issue, it doesn't have enough armor, it has weak spots bigger than 2 pixels so they should remove them from the tank model. Next issue, Fv183 can pen its rear and sides with HESH which is not balanced so they should make it to have 350mm side and rear armor. Next issue, the autoloader is not good enough, it is supposed to one shot only with on of its shells so it should receive damage buff to 1600-1700 so it can make better damage than fv183, it should also receive HE pen buff because it has to has the best HE pen buff, it should be buffed to the point it can pen Maus' frontal plate armor. BC has the best spotting range which is totally broken and not balanced, Foch155 should has the best spotting range. Next issue, when I try to catch a running BC it always outruns me which is not balanced so buff the maximum speed to 70km/h.
Last issue, WG is trying to nerf the Foch155 so they made a photoshopped balance charts to nerf the Foch155 which are not true. I made an experiment with 10 friends where we all made the conclusion that the Foch155 needs all these buff I pointed up.
Edit: If you disagree with me you are noob, because I'm pro Omega Lul OwO

coarse harness Oct 17, 2019, 8:52 AM

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So much effort in trolling😵

clever void Oct 17, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Who usurps my rightful place👀 @quartz crown desist and go tickle urself

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 9:59 AM

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@clever void who's trolling in here ._.
Desist and go tickle urself.

crisp palm Oct 17, 2019, 10:38 AM

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Foch needs more armor..and a 3 shell magazine

latent wyvern Oct 17, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Agreed

crisp palm Oct 17, 2019, 10:50 AM

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🙏

ruby oriole Oct 17, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Some of these buffs really sound like these people want the foch buffed. Is this what the blitz community has become?

round sundial Oct 17, 2019, 11:48 AM

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It's just trolls don't worry

cobalt crane Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 PM

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@noble siren Ha, you just prove my point even more

latent mason Oct 17, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Would you Kindely remove the platoon kills requirment in the daily objectives list. I ve been trying for an hour to get a platoon and its like impossible. Or at least add an addition 12 points earned VIA other means. so solo palyers dont feel forced to socialise with strangers

jade cargoBOT Oct 17, 2019, 12:45 PM

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dynoSuccess Mr_FinisHer#3999 has been warned.

full token Oct 17, 2019, 12:51 PM

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If the issue is finding a platoon, then I don’t think the mission really needs to be replaced

latent mason Oct 17, 2019, 1:09 PM

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so the mission has nothing to do with the game

full token Oct 17, 2019, 1:16 PM

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I don’t think most people would have a major issue finding a platoon. You could find one in a battle, or use the game chat to find people also looking for a mission.

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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@latent mason or you could find one on this discord

latent mason Oct 17, 2019, 1:20 PM

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do you see anyone in platoon chats?

full token Oct 17, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Yes I do, and I find some platoons there if I can’t find clan mates to help me

unique scaffold Oct 17, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Why is no one complaining about the superpershing? It is the underacheiver in every department. Too slow to flank/encircle like a light or a med, gun not strong enough to pen heavies/some tds even with prammo (ahem tiger 2). It does not have the accuracy to snipe like a td, not enough armor to brawl like a heavy, can't play peekaboo because of said trash armor, can't face tanks downhill again because of said trash armor, gets flanked by lights, weakspots exploited by meds, most heavies/tds can pen the main armor, it cannot really fight any t8 tank bc of the huge weakspots on the turret and the machinegun port. Here is the part where you can improve, the turret cheek protectors should be pointed down, the mantlet should be bigger vertically so we can protect the forehead weakspot, it needs better speed, there is no excuse for it to have a teir six engine, with the better speed, it needs side armor good enough to sidescrape, it needs better penetration for prammo, it should have the extra layer of spaced armor from the pc version, on top of that, needs more armor OR better speed on top of the new engine OR better gunhandling/accuracy. PING ME FOR ANY REBUTTALS!!!!!

coarse harness Oct 17, 2019, 2:50 PM

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A gun handling buff would be enough for me
Aim time most importantly

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 2:54 PM

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@unique scaffold underpowered bcos it's a prem tank

noble siren Oct 17, 2019, 3:18 PM

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@ruby oriole I'm really disappointed too. Everyone here are trolling, there are so many people asking for buff on Foch which is ridiculous. Some say Leopard 1 is OP and needs nerf. T22 was not that strong. Mods should forbid trolling like crying about MM here, so we can understand are they trolling or naturaly stupid human beings.

unique scaffold Oct 17, 2019, 3:45 PM

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I suspect there is much trolling here. Unfortunately it is difficult to gauge trolling versus just being wrong.

cobalt crane Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 PM

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"versus just being wrong" what

drifting depot Oct 17, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Egg👌

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@noble siren the last essay with an unpopular opinion was a genuine one.

charred bobcat Oct 17, 2019, 4:53 PM

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@noble siren You're the one who's always trying to find a confirmation bias to buff German tanks and you're complaining about people trolling or being stupid?
Anyways, the Leo 1 is truly an overlooked, OP tank. It requires high situational awareness which most don't have, resulting in bad engagements. Those "graphs" Wargaming give out showing tank performance don't show the bigger picture. It shows 55% to 65% which could mean anything; people who play mostly tier 6 or 8 to get WR and whatnot. If it shown 65-100% WR players only AT TIER 10, it would likely show the Leo 1 comfortably competing with other tier 10 mediums. Players doing 3k avg in an "op" tank like the IS4 would likely do just as well in the Leo 1.

latent mason Oct 17, 2019, 5:09 PM

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the leo 1 should be giving less spotting ability. a tank going that fast cant possibl6 see a thing

ruby oriole Oct 17, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Im so done, I am seriously having problems differentiating the trolls from legit complaints.

noble siren Oct 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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@hybrid flume which one about the Foch?

@charred bobcat why buffing something on the bottom is troll or stupid. That's how things work, if something is near the bottom then it should receive a change and if it's on the top a nerf. Leo doesn't have anything special than the other mediums like capable armor. That's why I think that buff on the acceleration will make it decent. By your logic Foch155 is extremely OP because it's played by the bad player base?

@hybrid flume it's not mine tho

hybrid flume Oct 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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@noble siren the one on the superpershing needing a buff.

charred bobcat Oct 17, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I literally just explained why those graphs are not empirical and present a lopsided view...

I'm not sure why you're referring to those graphs because my argument clearly shows that I don't believe in them, so don't put words in my mouth.

distant river Oct 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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55-65%ers are competent and know how to play the tank. They show how well tanks are performing very well. The leo 1 has a higher skill ceiling but a much lower skill floor. Buffing its acceleration would not change its ceiling much but would raise the floor fairly well, so it will perform better and more consistently.

slim rivet Oct 17, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Well said. Now we want the foch 155 to be buffed

noble siren Oct 17, 2019, 5:52 PM

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@distant river thank you with buff on its acceleration I think that it will be enough fast to compensate for the paper armor on the turret.
@slim rivet stop it

charred bobcat Oct 17, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Buffing the Leo's acceleration would not help bad players to become any better... It would only encourage them to make more ballsy plays knowing they can get out of them (which they probably won't). If anything, it just allows the competent players to reach into positions and out of them to relocate better. Leo needs a nerf, not a buff.

mighty crag Oct 17, 2019, 6:10 PM

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-Buff the Cheiftans Tumor Armor

Nerf the Smashers Pen
Nerf the T49s Reload (ig)
Buff the Togs Frontal Armor 😈

quick lichen Oct 17, 2019, 6:17 PM

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What’s wrong with the t49?

cobalt crane Oct 17, 2019, 6:28 PM

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tog is slow enough without armor

noble siren Oct 17, 2019, 6:30 PM

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@charred bobcat can't understand what is your problem. Yeah acceleration can't help noobs but it will at least will make my gameplay more convenient and it can be very effective the way it could be used. The other way to balance it is to nerf all hulldown impenetrable turret tanks.

devout plinth Oct 17, 2019, 6:31 PM

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i really don't see any problem with the leo

clever void Oct 17, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Who dares troll here 👀

mighty crag Oct 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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The Leo is still kinda bad

charred bobcat Oct 17, 2019, 6:39 PM

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No I don't understand why a tank should be buffed so it will be more convenient to use (when it's already good, mind you). If we balanced based on convenience Foch needs a HUGE gun handling buff because it makes my gameplay more effective while it won't helo noobs who don't know how to aim anyways.

drifting depot Oct 17, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Look buds, Leo 1= hella good gun, hella good speed/time to get to top speed, but hella bad armor just like most low armor German tanks, just play it like you have no armor cause you really don't

noble siren Oct 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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This channel bruh

drifting depot Oct 17, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Omega momento brotha

nocturne mauve Oct 17, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Lol

deft flame Oct 17, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Hello?

unique scaffold Oct 17, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Lot of trolling going on rn. Can the trolls please stop and let people who actually want to see serious changes talk

static sierra Oct 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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lol never

gleaming star Oct 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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The autoloader gun on the standard b sucks. And the grind to get the 105 autoreloader is ridiculous. Can they give us a single shot cannon instead of this P.O.S. 90mm

velvet edge Oct 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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^^^ I agree

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@unique scaffold The one thing that Superpershing does NOT need is a buff. Tier 8 is unbalanced enough with all the broken tanks running around, and superpershing is one of the biggest offenders. There is absolutely no reason that a medium should have such good strong frontal armor and keep medium dpm.

static sierra Oct 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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For those of you that always complain about the foch, please remember that at least wargaming did not give the jpze100 ab autoloader so stop whining

wild aspen Oct 17, 2019, 10:23 PM

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How long does bonus codes take? I entered 2 yesterday for gold and 2 tanks and it said "your reward will arivve shortly" and im still waiting

nimble zodiac Oct 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Aren’t all tier IX grinds supposed to kick you in the butt? 😂

unique scaffold Oct 17, 2019, 11:57 PM

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@static sierra wut

primal yacht Oct 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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The game is too rigged in favor of Meds and Lights. Their shots on the move are way too accurate, and they earn more XP. The hardest thing to do is drive a turretless TD and actively battle with it, not camp, and you’re still not rewarded with as much XP even if you move. You can aim your TD’s gun right where a Med or Light is popping or sliding up over a hill and their shots on the move are more accurate even though you have the better gun. There’s nothing even remotely realistic about any of it.

supple thistle Oct 18, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Why does the JgPzE100 have suck a low credit coefficient? It really doesn't need it.

primal yacht Oct 18, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Hmmm...don’t know...but when you hit something, those credits for that she’ll turn into major damage! Lol 🙂

twin egret Oct 18, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Leopard 1 OP? Just wait for FV4202

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Leopard 1 op? Where?

nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Oh you mean that destroyed one over there? Oh yeah, HE is a great thing ._.

ruby oriole Oct 18, 2019, 2:17 AM

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@primal yacht hi, have you tried getting unspotted and being in a bush before you actually get farmed by a medium? And if you think that the game is rigged in favour of lights and mediums, a reminder that tanks like the IS-4 and Foch 155 exist

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2019, 2:31 AM

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@primal yacht
what a med/light does:
-Spot
-Distance driven
-shots fired
-spotting damage
-take damage/bounce

What a TD does:
-shoot
-drive

A TD has a tank destroyer gun. A med/light has a versitale gun. Of course the med/light has better dispersion/and or aiming stuff

A med does more things of a higher quantity. It’s not rigged it’s just logic. I play med TDs and earn more xp than my team and the enemies easily

nimble zodiac Oct 18, 2019, 2:48 AM

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TDs lead damage, not XP, and meds lead XP, not damage, that’s their given purpose, for TDs to use their powerful guns for high damage and meds to use their versatile guns and mobility to help their team and earn XP

primal yacht Oct 18, 2019, 2:57 AM

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My favs are the faster TD’s. And I like pen better than Derp. But yeah, rigged isn’t the right word. I should’ve have used that. And I should have also said that my favs are the SU’s at Tier 7, 8, and 9 with 100 and 122mm guns. I like to run with the Lights and Meds in them and give them some bigger bore, more pen support. I think they appreciate it more than a camper. But sometimes I’m the fastest tank on my team, so I cap, spot, etc. They’re a challenge with, and lots of people hate them because, they have terrible gun depression. You really have to know your maps to do very well. But when I have an exceptional game, and am on top of my team, and earn a Master Badge, most of the time I still can’t get the 1300XP mission. I just think if I’m running around, doing all those same things, and get a M or a 1, that I should earn as much XP. But I rarely seem to.

flat bane Oct 18, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Nice

flat bane Oct 18, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Hmm the WZ 120 should get a gun depression buff to its 122mm. 3 degrees of gun depression at T9 for a med isn't uhhh the best? But meh ¯_(ツ)_/¯ just a suggestion idc

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2019, 9:24 AM

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i think wz needs a slight debuff, either on just the side armour or on all armour or just something to make it fair at tier 7 battles

dim field Oct 18, 2019, 9:49 AM

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I think they mean the tier IX not the 120 Ft

meager spruce Oct 18, 2019, 10:10 AM

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^^^^ he meant the tier 9 medium.

iron hearth Oct 18, 2019, 10:18 AM

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yeah i agree the 120 ft needs a buff like 8 degrees of gun depression like all other tds

meager spruce Oct 18, 2019, 10:33 AM

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@iron hearth we are talking about the tier 9 medium chinese tank WZ 120

thick rover Oct 18, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Maybe 5-6

fathom citrus Oct 18, 2019, 12:13 PM

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@dim field

hollow mountain Oct 18, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Would artillery tanks be useless in this game?

dark pike Oct 18, 2019, 2:48 PM

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yes

flat bane Oct 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Yeah I was taking about the T9 Chinese medium tank.

shy wren Oct 18, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Does not belong here @graceful copper

unique scaffold Oct 18, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Buff T28 and proto, they are very rarely seen, meaning they suck

harsh ravine Oct 18, 2019, 8:18 PM

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T28 Proto is bearable, but the T28 is a pos

opal venture Oct 18, 2019, 8:41 PM

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I feel like the grille is too slow in traverse plz reply @ my name

sage geyser Oct 18, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Is lycan op or another IS clone

crystal spoke Oct 18, 2019, 9:36 PM

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from fighting it neither

dim field Oct 18, 2019, 9:45 PM

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It appears to have a lot of weak points

toxic hornet Oct 18, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Lycan needs a buff?

wet quail Oct 18, 2019, 10:28 PM

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No, it’s a great tank.

kind fossil Oct 18, 2019, 10:52 PM

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As always, no bad tanks, just unexperienced players not knowing how to drive it. If there is only 1 player driving it 70%+ wr all arguments about good or not are invalid. It can be good if you are good. Simple

mellow cape Oct 19, 2019, 12:18 AM

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ah yes more incentive to add broken tanks like smasher when wargaming hears such things ^

safe quest Oct 19, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Wish nightmare had ap for standard ammo so I can shoot through walls, and like, have the 105 the stuff used to have before that one update as a different option to be more versitle like that one tier 5 med from mad games (I can't remember the name)

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Stug* not stuff

nimble zodiac Oct 19, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Scavenger is probably what you mean but having 280 damage per shot in tier V has to come with some downside, aka medium pen low velocity and well, HEAT. @safe quest

safe quest Oct 19, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Fair points, mainly I miss the 105 lol but I can understand the low velocity and the heat being used for the big gun

indigo knot Oct 19, 2019, 7:28 AM

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I simply put all premium rounds and He in Stug.....if only this was given to Pz4

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Churchill 6 are too slow

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Pls buff ST. Emil it is too slow

full token Oct 19, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Smh

woeful pollen Oct 19, 2019, 12:06 PM

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buff 44 100 really poor tank

distant river Oct 19, 2019, 12:22 PM

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@unique scaffold Its a heavy, its meant to be slow 🤦

@unique scaffold Emil is already a great tank

@woeful pollen Its a balenced prem, stop complaining

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Yes I know but really even when I'm going down from hill Max speed is about 20km/h ...

woeful pollen Oct 19, 2019, 3:01 PM

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@distant river Its a bad balenced prem.
Even wot have buff it before

unique scaffold Oct 19, 2019, 4:27 PM

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I really don't think the FV201 needs any sort of buff

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I see way too many people complaining about it when it’s perfectly fine

exotic light Oct 19, 2019, 5:55 PM

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i think lycan need puff (not that fast) and (low to none armor) and (drunk gunner) i wounder what did the one who made Lycan drink before making it

nimble zodiac Oct 19, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I don't think you realize what a tier 7 has to deal with when it has a 400 damage gun, neither are your modules easily damaged, hulldown and wiggle your turret really...

distant river Oct 19, 2019, 6:16 PM

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@woeful pollen It is slightly worse than the T44, exactly how it should be.

nimble zodiac Oct 19, 2019, 6:38 PM

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@crude ore Same pen as black prince, helsing, gravedigger, I don't see people being irritated at those

noble siren Oct 19, 2019, 8:11 PM

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@exotic light it's easy accessable tank why should WG make it OP?

distant river Oct 19, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Lycan is already a very good tank. Its like an IS but with 10° depression and a better turret. If anything it needs a nerf

clever void Oct 19, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Ya I consider it a IS-5 at tier 7. I think it’s over powered

exotic light Oct 19, 2019, 8:41 PM

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well it has bad armor i mean every tank can pen its hull even amx 13 75 and it has bad time pen the tire 8 heavies

distant river Oct 19, 2019, 9:02 PM

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If you are relying on its hull then you are playing it completely wrong. It definitely does not have bad armour, you just need to know how to use it 🤦

nimble zodiac Oct 19, 2019, 9:20 PM

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If it demands positioning I see no reason to nerf it

exotic light Oct 19, 2019, 9:48 PM

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true @nimble zodiac

thick rover Oct 20, 2019, 1:41 AM

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It's just using the hull for brawls..

arctic peak Oct 20, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Is lycan going up for a nerf in the near future?

drifting depot Oct 20, 2019, 2:18 AM

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@unique scaffold it can't be faster, it's literally slower in real life lul

dim field Oct 20, 2019, 2:19 AM

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I don't think the Lycan will be nerfed.

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2019, 3:14 AM

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It’s a premium it will never be unless it’s changed to a collector tank which I doubt

safe snow Oct 20, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Nerf the Lycan by adding the Sturmtiger 😛

mellow cape Oct 20, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Why do you want lycan nerfed lmao? It's balanced

safe snow Oct 20, 2019, 4:32 AM

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i honestly dont think its that strong lol

sacred oriole Oct 20, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Make the kv-2 reload 15 like the su-100Y, 22 is way to much and thats maxed equipment, this tank is practically impossible if your in a 1v1, even deathstar has better reload

crystal spoke Oct 20, 2019, 5:30 AM

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The death star is a t10 not a t6 and the kv2 with a 15sec reload would be insanely op

drifting depot Oct 20, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Well, it has literally the most unreliable gun in the game for a reason, it can face tier 5s, but tbh yes, the ap pen needs a little buff, 110 on the standard and 144 on the premium ap isn't so good, specially when the he nerf was supposed to encourage people to use ap

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2019, 5:40 AM

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How to shut down kv2 defenders a minute: why are you drive a tank that has garbage stats? Unless it has a game breaking quality

crystal spoke Oct 20, 2019, 5:48 AM

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^

No tank should have the alpha to 1 or even 2 shot another tank and honestly I wouldn't mind another go round wither the hammer since you can easily negate the most recent one with CS and still has a ridiculous he alpha

sacred oriole Oct 20, 2019, 5:54 AM

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@unique scaffold I only got it to help me get to is4, didn't know i ciuld do KV-1s to kv3 instead of kv2 to kv3

nimble zodiac Oct 20, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Well it’s still a very capable tank, AP was always a nice choice, it pens mostly all other tier VIs if you catch em unangled, in which they usually are. Easy grind to KV-3, but to make the reload like SU-100Y is ridiculous, SU is a TD, with 460 damage, why would you buff a 640 damage gun to same the same reload as a TD for a heavy? We all know what’s going on ._.

indigo knot Oct 20, 2019, 8:47 AM

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Have WG given up on Swedish Tank destroyers.....

thick rover Oct 20, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Yes...T_T

round briar Oct 20, 2019, 8:50 AM

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I cant understand why they made AMX CDC

brisk sequoia Oct 20, 2019, 9:41 AM

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buff tourtoise, it is very poor with armor,and make more logic, instead of fv215 183 make badger tier X on that tech three

thick rover Oct 20, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Idk maybe Abit of the armour beside the manlet?

toxic hornet Oct 20, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Buff Nightmare?

brisk sequoia Oct 20, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Agree

nimble zodiac Oct 20, 2019, 3:51 PM

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@round briar it came from an event, why do you hate it?

crystal spoke Oct 20, 2019, 3:53 PM

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And at least it's a real tank

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Tort doesn’t need a buff the 183 does. That line goes from heavy armor to mediocre armor which makes no sense

rose blaze Oct 20, 2019, 4:37 PM

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The problem with the kv2 is the drivers I had so many games ruined because of ppl jumping into the kv2 without knowing that aiming and armour penetration exists

drifting depot Oct 20, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@unique scaffold bud, deathstar ain't gonna get any buffs, the low armor is the price for that gun, and so is the camo value, the tortoise needs a little buff because it may have heavy armor but it is barely sloped, meaning it can be eeeeeaaaaaasily penetrated by everyone

near wing Oct 20, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Give the nightmare an AP shot

unique scaffold Oct 20, 2019, 5:21 PM

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I think the T54 ltwt a bit op

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I think you really don’t know the concept of OP

near wing Oct 20, 2019, 5:39 PM

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@unique scaffold its not op at all, it doesnt have great pen, its not good at turning, and the armor is quite weak.

mystic gorge Oct 20, 2019, 7:06 PM

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#buffGrille

latent mason Oct 20, 2019, 7:10 PM

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BUFF my tanks, Nurf all others.

velvet edge Oct 20, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Tortoise is way too strong. Why in the world does it have a huge gun arc, depression, armor profile, AND an amazing gun?

round sundial Oct 20, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Another round of trolling, nice 😄

brisk lily Oct 20, 2019, 10:27 PM

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bc it slow
very
slow

charred bobcat Oct 20, 2019, 10:32 PM

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tortoise's only "weakness" is being "slow". it needs to be nerfed

round briar Oct 20, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@nimble zodiac Cause it is nothing batter than T6 dracular

thick rover Oct 20, 2019, 11:13 PM

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@charred bobcat it doesn't have much armour

charred bobcat Oct 20, 2019, 11:14 PM

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no, the armor is very troll when you angle and wiggle

nimble zodiac Oct 20, 2019, 11:16 PM

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until they find your cupola, also @round briar the CDC has quite a penetrating gun with nice DPM

round briar Oct 20, 2019, 11:22 PM

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twilit crystal Oct 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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The cdc's gun is a joke . It gets like 50-100 more dpm than comparable meds with the average penetration but awful gun handling for such a large tank with no armor

thick rover Oct 20, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Tortoise is pretty ez to pen no? Since it's slow, foch is a different story

round sundial Oct 20, 2019, 11:57 PM

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It's quite funny how so many players love CDC 'for the gun'. I have actually been arguing with someone saying Dracula is trash but CDC is the best, precisely because of the gun. It does have great gun handling numbers, but because of the high speed and acceleration values, the gun handling feels trash. What's worse, the tank is huge, paper and has terrible camo. RU251 is better in literally everything but AP pen (But it has HEAT and the high pen HE) and gun depression. Even the damn dracula is better in literally everything except for the gun and tier related stats. I got it for free but I never play it and that is sad, I'd love if the tank had some real qualities apart from acceleration.

nimble zodiac Oct 20, 2019, 11:59 PM

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155 penetration perhaps

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Actually, go ahead. Call the CDC bad. I want to have even more fun in it when it gets a buff from this 😌

formal vale Oct 21, 2019, 2:31 AM

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As far as the CDC goes, why wouldn't you just play a light tank? I would much rather gain another 12kph of top speed and light tank camo to sacrifice gun handling and penetration. If I'm going to be on the flank anyways, I wont need that pen and gun handling. Plus, I'll have the camo and speed to get there more efficiently and safely. I just dont see the point of the CDC.

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2019, 2:32 AM

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If it’s outclassed let’s buff it as hard as the Tiger II 😉

smoky yoke Oct 21, 2019, 2:40 AM

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cdc is okay, if the gun handling was a little better I wouldnt mind , might bring my winrate to 80%

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2019, 2:44 AM

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The RU must outclass the CDC so much that the CDC might ev-

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smoky yoke Oct 21, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Your comparing unicums to avg players , 55-65 most likely unicums. ru215 has to be grinded so comparing both not so accurate. If you make ru215 a premium with same stats , ru 215 would most likely be higher than cdc. If someone had to chose between buying a premium ru and cdc I wonder which they would buy. **CLick 1 for ru and 2 for cdc ** PS. I would chose ru. Edit reply to chicken @nimble zodiac I honestly dont mind I playing it just find, I just want a premium version of ru215 which is the hwk 40, instead of spending 10k gold to enrich a tank that can be nerfed to the ground at anytime.

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Ok, blitz stars out the window, but what about the damage in the dev ._.

coarse harness Oct 21, 2019, 3:33 AM

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I love the CDC and the gun is pretty good
It is huge, I mean HUGE and paper but less people spamming HE at it than at the RU

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Wait how is CDC so light? Last i checked drac weighs 40 tons

round briar Oct 21, 2019, 3:55 AM

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CDC is light but to biiiig so biiiig

formal vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@smoky yoke alternatively you could get the M4190mm, which has higher alpha damage 😉

smoky yoke Oct 21, 2019, 4:35 AM

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I have both cdc and lekpz. I enjoy both, but I like to get the hwk 40.

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Bleh rear turret lights are gross

round briar Oct 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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CDC is something like Huge Toooog

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 8:17 AM

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I noticed that on paper the Smasher is less efficient than SU-152. How does it reflect this in battle?

round sundial Oct 21, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Smasher is better in literaly everything than SU152 except for slightly worse DPM, but it's still very good for T7 heavy tank

random fiber Oct 21, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Buff Chieftain at Tier 8. Little more Alpha with higher Penetration, approximate 10 till 20 in Gold ammo, and a smaller cupola woud be nice.

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Lmao its a balenced tier 8 prem, stop complaining

crystal spoke Oct 21, 2019, 10:37 AM

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I wouldn't mind if the cheiftan got a slight cupola buff but that being said Idont think it needs it

warped anchor Oct 21, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Balanced against some tier 8s,not against tier 9s......236 premium pen will not get you far with t54,e75 and st1 spam....either you buff the gold rounds to around 260 or make it a heat shell with the same amount of pen mentioned above or just make the cupola smaller by half doesnt have to be a e5 style cupola,because it completely got outclassed by the t26e5

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 11:44 AM

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T54 is weak because tier 10s can pen it easily 🤦

You cannot balence tanks based on other tiers. Just because the E5 is better than it should be, it doesnt mean the cheiftain should be better. That is exactly what happened to the tiger and lowe

warped anchor Oct 21, 2019, 12:06 PM

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You do know i mentioned premium pen relation not standard round. And how about read my message before going 🤦 because thats how i feel because you did not even understand what i said.

crystal spoke Oct 21, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Honestly those would be welcome I just dont know if they will

drifting depot Oct 21, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Look bud, chieftain is like your classic British tonk, stronk turret, weak hull and some gun depression because for whatever reason tank commanders love being sad, just add that cupola wich still takes time to aim at when hull down and you have a pretty normal tank

nimble zodiac Oct 21, 2019, 12:37 PM

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How about not get a tank you wouldn’t enjoy playing

drifting depot Oct 21, 2019, 12:44 PM

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That's the most ideal thing but I guess some people will buy them anyways, tank collectors in a nutshell

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 12:51 PM

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@warped anchor You want to buff the cheiftain because it isnt as good as other prems. That is stupid. The small hope tier 8 has of being balenced is not helped by making prems better. You were comparing it to tier 9s, which useless. I could quite easily say the lycan needs a pen buff because it cant pen thngs like the IS3, but clearly that is wrong.

warped anchor Oct 21, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Not a standard pen buff thats fine gold pen is the issue,236 APCR is not good at all thats prob the lowest value for a tier 8 heavy,specially because it has worse normalization to AP Shells which makes it have trash pen in certain angles to the point you cant pen WEAKPOINTS on tier 9s with premium ammo plus i said OR on the buffs it was not a single BUFF so again you did not read it clearly or understand it.it either needs a smaller cupola or better gold rounds thats all,i want it to be competitive at least....

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Have a discussion without getting hostile please.

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Personally I think the Chieftain is in a pretty good spot right now. It is a decent heavium. Play it as such. Run with and support the mediums. It's not a tank that should be Frontline brawling against same tier or higher tier heavies.

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 1:15 PM

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It doesn't need a buff. It is balenced. I can only repeat myself so many times.

If you want the cheiftain to be competitive, why dont you want all of the other tech tree tanks that are much worse than the cheiftain to be competitive?
@warped anchor

warped anchor Oct 21, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Probably because i dont like writting essays in a tank game in this server and i barely get on here.plus if you honestly think just giving the chieftain 260 apcr or a 260 pen heat for its premium round shell will break it idk what to tell you or just decrease the cupola size just by half plus i got mine for free in the event so....

acoustic shard Oct 21, 2019, 1:21 PM

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I don't know why you would buy a heavy tank with 225 alpha and a longer reload than most tier 8 meds with the same alpha. It make's no sense. It has no compelling Feature's. It doesn't even make more credits than other heavy's or

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Then why dont you ask for a buff for the tanks that actually need it before asking for a buff on an already decent tank?

Any change to it is a step in the wrong direction. It is perfect how it is now. It should not be changed.

warped anchor Oct 21, 2019, 1:29 PM

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I saw it mentioned,so i wanted to join in for the couple of times i check this server,whats wrong for staying on topic? Plus u cant force me to put out a list what tanks that need a buff or not.

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 1:30 PM

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I don't know if I'd call the tank perfect... I'll say it's adequately balanced. Not too strong and not too weak.

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Its perfect for WGs balencing skills.

If you are trying to make tier 8 worse with your suggestions then everything is wrong. If you are going to ask for a buff, ask for one on a tank that needs it.

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 1:41 PM

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YO

crimson cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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The Chieftain has horrendous premium penetration on a low alpha gun. The Caernarvon at least gets great pen and better RoF. Not to mention a tumor free turret.

Should the Chieftain be able to lol pen everything in sight? Of course not. But it has an awful lot of negatives in relation to only a few, highly situational, positives.

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 1:50 PM

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In that regard is what a premium tank should be. Premium tanks should be slightly inferior to their tech tree counterparts.

acoustic shard Oct 21, 2019, 1:52 PM

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No thye should be Better. Because they arn't free. why would you pay for a tank when there's somthing for free that is better.

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Cheiftain gets alpha and the same dpm as the cent (a good tank), and loses a bit of speed and the turret tumour.

@acoustic shard You pay for the credit coefficient or the uniqueness. The tank should be unique in the first place, if not it should be slightly worse than the tech tree version.

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 1:54 PM

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They shouldn't be better. They should offer increased credit and XP income in a unique tank. Not be better than their tech tree equivalent.

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Sadly there are a few that are better than they should be. That doesn't mean that they should all be better than their tech tree equivalent. Tanks like the Super Pershing and the Chieftain are balanced fairly well. We don't need any more smashers or wz-120's.

crimson cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 1:59 PM

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They don’t need to be better. But they certainly shouldn’t be worse in nearly every metric.

If it had the same pen as the Caernarvon and the Centurion Mk.I there wouldn’t be an issue. But it doesn’t. The gun is just too mediocre for a Tier VIII Heavy tank, premium or not.

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 2:03 PM

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The T32 has marginally worse pen, worse dpm and much worse gun handling. It also doesnt have the speed to get to flanks. It also doesnt make credits. Why is noone complaining about that?

round sundial Oct 21, 2019, 2:03 PM

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It is tier for tier the same as KV5 imo, so trash. It is not even unique. But with the common practice of overbuffing tanks, I think it should stay where it is so it doesn't become crazy OP

acoustic shard Oct 21, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Who plays the t32 rlly?? thats what the t34 is there for. People don't complain about it because people don't play it. To Easy

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 2:13 PM

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There are double the amount of T32 players compared to cheiftain players, try looking at some facts before making a random point 🤦

full token Oct 21, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I think someone grinding the T32 would surely be playing it, especially if they don’t have free xp to skip it

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 3:00 PM

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@wet breach English only please

round sundial Oct 21, 2019, 3:02 PM

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T32 is not the tank one needs to skip. The armour really is great and is not painful to play. I remember it in +-2 MM, that could br bad, T9 is ez in comparison

mellow cape Oct 21, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Buff smasher, the turret traverse is sooo slow it's unreal. Mediums can get behind you like it's nothing and kill you easily, I feel the tank is too underpowered.

acoustic shard Oct 21, 2019, 3:09 PM

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you see after people grind through the t32 they Will sell it. SO with that in mind no one plays it just to play it. Its just a stepping stone in a tank line to get to the next tier. the chieftan has no line and you get it just to play IT. If it's inferior you bought a tank for no reason.

formal vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:46 PM

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The Chieftain/T95 is pretty good. It's not best in class, but it's really quite strong if you know how to use it.

P.S. Also, some people simply dont like to play OP tanks because of 2 reasons:
1.) They're boring (ie. no challenge)
2.) They artificially inflate your stats. You have 60% wins in the Dracula but 50% in everything else? Yeah, I'm sure you're the reason you're doing well in the Dracula. It couldn't possibly be the tank that's carrying you -_-

mellow cape Oct 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Dracula is a higher skill cap tank, I doubt a 50%er would be able to do much good in it.
Now WZ-120-1 FT or smasher is a different story

formal vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:37 PM

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It was hypothetical...

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Dracula isn’t easy to drive at all the gun is hot garbage and if you get too aggressive it puts you out of the game

amber fox Oct 21, 2019, 7:48 PM

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the Chieftain/T95 is good but the HUGE cupola really is what makes it worse. i get sniped by t49s with the derp gun from over 100 meters. also the gun doesnt have very good pen. And yes i know how to play it and no i'm not just a 40% nub. It could use some small buffs, it feels more like a stock tier 8 or a good tier 7. I do like the fact that it is a challenge but you cant really do much if you have a bad team. To make it more of a viable option if you want a challenging premium i would buff the tumor's armor and add 10 or 15 mm of pen to the ap and apcr

sage geyser Oct 21, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Wz 120 1 g ft need more armour and buff smasher

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 9:13 PM

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If you are getting shot in the cupola by T49s from 100m then either you are in a horrible position or you are extremely unlucky. Neither of these are the tanks fault. It is at the same level as a tech tree tier 8, which is how it should be. @amber fox

amber fox Oct 21, 2019, 9:25 PM

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bad position? how is hull down somewhere a bad position? The tumor is so big any gun can hit it with ease its almost as bad as the at7s also it is worse than almost all of the tech tree tier 8s. and it is by far worse than any tier 8 premium. also premiums should be slightly better than most tech tree tanks, if you are going to pay $30 for a tank it should be decent atleast. it shouldnt be broken op like the wz 120 but it shouldnt be bad either. and like i said i know how to play the tank.

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 9:34 PM

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If you are moving it is very hard to hit. Premiums (as has been repeatedly said) should not be better than tech tree tanks, go read previous messages to find out why because i domt want to explain it again. If you are getting shot in the cupola by a T49 then you are almost definitely being completely still and giving it enough time to aim, which is definitely not how you should play the tank

uncut osprey Oct 21, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Are people really arguing that premiums should be better than tech tree tanks 🤦‍♂️what has this world come to

amber fox Oct 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I always move in it but that only works for people who are too bad to know how to time shots correctly.

distant river Oct 21, 2019, 9:44 PM

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If you are moving in regular patterns then maybe there is a problem?

amber fox Oct 21, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I just realized that the Carnarvon existed and how bad it is and I realized how much better the chieftain is than that thing in every way so I'm starting to reconsider my opinion about it.

unique scaffold Oct 21, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Cavernon is good. It's slow but very fast cannon. Easly you can set fire even on is3.

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formal vale Oct 21, 2019, 11:49 PM

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@amber fox considering they just buffed the cupola armor so that it can't be HE'd, I'm confused as to why you think it needs a buff...

Also, I agree that premiums should be equal to tech tree tanks. However, I also think that that equality should go both ways. Tech tree tanks should not be better than premium tanks. In the interest of gameplay, every tank should be balanced according to their statistics in game, not in the garage after the game has ended. I say this because, when I went on my Tiger II rant, people were arguing that premiums should be sub-average just because they make credits. That's just absurd in my opinion. The idea of premiums being less than average stems from a time when WoTB had +/-2 match making and preferential premiums. Blitz doesnt have either of those anymore, so premiums should be equal to tech tree tanks and vice-versa.

amber fox Oct 22, 2019, 12:16 AM

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I agree 100% with your premium tank thoughts but the cupola only has like 80mm of armor or something so yes it cant be HEd but its still a guaranteed pen for anything at tier 7 8 and 9 with ap, they should buff it to atleast 120 mm so the weird angles on it can atleast bounce a couple of shots, like the e4s for example. The pen is lower than just about every tier 8 if you count its terrible 238mm apcr pen. If you come face to face with tier 9 heavies you cant really do anything about it unless they have big weak spots like the kpfpz. And actually i cant even pen a tiger 2 unless i get lucky and hit the tiny hatch on top or i somehow get to its side which is impossible to do in most cases. It just doesnt feel like a tier 8 its like a 7.5. Dont get me wrong it is a very fun tank to play but i feel like it should be slightly better

wraith raft Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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VK 72.01 K needs to be reworked.

Its structural purpose is side scraping, 160mm of side armor is amazing indeed. But it also means nothing when there's large, obvious weakspot that everyone can abuse.

Frontal armor is wonderful, but it also means nothing when everyone can just use prammo to penetrate it. I don't blame much about this one though.

Turret armor? Cheek is easily pennable. Most of the tanks can shoot your turret ring when you're face hugging. It can bounce, but there's nothing you can do, unlike Maus.

Gun performance? It has the lowest dpm in the game. I don't mind too much about having lowest dpm, but give it some merits, like accuracy buff or such.

Mobility? It's a super heavy tank. I don't have much to talk about this one. Maybe a little bit of traverse buff.

All in all, this is one of the worst performing vehicle right now in the game. This tank is nowhere near close to "jack of all trades" kind of a tank, yet it literally is good for nothing. Give this thing some love. Even E100 can do everything better than this thing does

brazen monolith Oct 22, 2019, 1:16 AM

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I rarely see that tank in battle tho

uncut osprey Oct 22, 2019, 1:23 AM

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There is a reason you dont see it very often

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2019, 2:01 AM

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It’s not like all super heavies suddenly have downsides when you load gold oh wait they do

hybrid flume Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 AM

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@amber fox so, what does the caenarvon lack for you?

amber fox Oct 22, 2019, 2:38 AM

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armor, both turret and hull, speed, and alpha damage

clever void Oct 22, 2019, 2:43 AM

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And wings?

flat bane Oct 22, 2019, 2:43 AM

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T32 is one of the best tanks in game, how can y'all be that bad in it 😤 😤

round sundial Oct 22, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Caern is 10 times better than the Chieftain. If you use gun depression, the turret part above mantlet becomes autobounce and the mantlet is quite troll. Also you get nice 130mm sloped ufp, with 2500 DPM and good pen. But each to their own.. @amber fox

formal vale Oct 22, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Yeah, I'd say the Caernarvon is much more versatile than the Chieftain. The thing I like about the Chieftain though is that it's pretty mobile for a heavy (it's a medium on PC, so there's that to consider).

In all honesty, it's pretty much a slower Centurion with an American gun

coarse harness Oct 22, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Not to mention the Caern has the consumables

The Chieftain has 3 major weaknesses
-bad traverse speed
-huge cupola
-bad penetration
Changing one of these wouldn't make the tank OP but I'm good with it's current state too

Feels good to spam HE at the cupola with 120+ mm guns

formal vale Oct 22, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Yeah. The Chieftain is perfectly balanced. Get rid of the cupola, you get a hull down monster that might as well be a tier 10 if its gun was bigger. Buff the traverse and it becomes a medium tank, so there's no point in that. The penetration could actually use a small buff, but it's pretty OK where it's at.

autumn zodiac Oct 22, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Actually if the Cupola was removed it wouldn't be broken, it still has butter hull armor and mediocre penetration for it's alpha.

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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the E75 TS i have playd with it fore like 200+ batlles,i think it`s a bit overkill,eny thoughts?

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Nerf smasher, theres my thought

shy wren Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Please return the 5cm gun on the Leo, it’s a tough gun to use at tiers V-VI, but it’s rewarding to use once you master it

acoustic shard Oct 22, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Buff the Lycan. Better dispersion better aim time, 11 second reload.

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Buff the IS-7 the armor is weak

wraith raft Oct 22, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Buff VK 72.01 K

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Buff T28

solemn stump Oct 22, 2019, 4:27 PM

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can somebody tell how a 1.4k base xp game in a m48 isn't at least a 1st class? is everybody having like 1.6k base xp games now WG? just now i had 1.3k base xp in an fv4202 med, 4k assist 3.4dmg 3rd class

round sundial Oct 22, 2019, 4:41 PM

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I wonder if the XP from Uprising and classic modes are not separated, that would make getting aces impossible when the event is running😅

graceful copper Oct 22, 2019, 4:51 PM

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again?

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dim eagle Oct 22, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I think we need more tanks since back in the days I had like 4 t5 tanks before I got my t8 tank now days u just move on one line players will have less experience so more noob players I mean we should have more t2-7 tanks

indigo knot Oct 22, 2019, 5:02 PM

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I think WG are over buffing the tanks......some tanks need nerf at their tiers....

next lantern Oct 22, 2019, 5:15 PM

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WG Plz stop wasting time and just fix ALL weak cupolas ? Why just one or two every6 months? Fix ALL weak cupolas ty

quick crown Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Buff the M5 and M5A1 stuart, buff either the mobility for Japanese tanks Tier 2-Tier 8 from 40kmh to 50kmh or increase the gun's alpha damage (except Chi Ri)

ember basin Oct 22, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Devs I'm not sure if this is the right channel, but in the 6.5 update, could you please add an extra sorting features of #1, be able to sort by which vehicles don't have masteries yet, and #2, which tanks have winrate below 50%. It would be even better if the user could select the winrate percentage in the sorting filter. If you could add this, it would make the game so much better, especially for developing players. Thanks for your time, and I hope to hear a response.

scenic lotus Oct 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Can the AT series just get a speed boost or a buff to the cupolas to make up for being utterly slow with glaring weaknesses?

nimble zodiac Oct 22, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Buff weaknesses in AT 7 through Tortoise

unique scaffold Oct 22, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Is that a no no word

nimble zodiac Oct 22, 2019, 8:55 PM

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If you hate it why did you get it in the first place? I see the problems, as a heavy that’s all about the huge turret it’s hard to use, if usable at all. But then again you got it .-.

jade cargoBOT Oct 22, 2019, 8:57 PM

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dynoSuccess WarsawPact#6502 has been warned.

sage geyser Oct 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Buff kpz70, it's weak versus other tier 9 heavies
Pen
Dpm
Armour
Accuracy