#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 143

smoky yoke Sep 20, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Problem with a armor nerf is if you want to play it single shot ,that wouldmake the tank bad in that end so a rework on the gun for autoloader is the only way. @uncut osprey

flat bane Sep 20, 2019, 4:06 AM

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@next lantern I agree with your T9-T10 needs a buff in credit coefficient. Somehow you lose 10-20k a game even when you take 0 dmg and do 3k in return.

next lantern Sep 20, 2019, 4:10 AM

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156 losses now I regularly lose 40-75k a battle. Biggest silver loss was in an is7 shooting apcr at an is4 on Yamato and we won that battle😡

uncut osprey Sep 20, 2019, 4:14 AM

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@smoky yoke, i dont think a slight armor nerf would affect the single shot gun all that much as the single shot variant is a more second line support vehicle as the autoloader is a rush down go with meds playstyle. All in all i think it would be beneficial to balance it with a slight armor nerf. @next lantern @flat bane you have to drive the newer players back down to learn at a lower tier somehow, hence the credit coefficient.

next lantern Sep 20, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Is even possible to gain credits at tiers 9&10? Seems I always lose credits no what I do

rigid wigeon Sep 20, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Yes. Run premium account and drive a t22 @next lantern

umbral hound Sep 20, 2019, 5:45 AM

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I think you can gain credits without premium if you don't run a lot of equipment.

solemn fiber Sep 20, 2019, 5:46 AM

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That’s counterintuitive...

umbral hound Sep 20, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Only Can of Cola and restoration kit. Made a small amount of credits.

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winged barn Sep 20, 2019, 6:00 AM

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It's not supposed to make credits. Try properly playing a t49(HE spam) and compare earnings

noble siren Sep 20, 2019, 6:07 AM

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About people complaining about the Tiger2 I'm gonna use the "Pro gamer tip", just load gold ammo in ur ammo storage

uncut osprey Sep 20, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Hate to say this but some gold shells dont pen even in heavies so🤷‍♂️might need a small nerf

distant river Sep 20, 2019, 6:21 AM

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@noble siren You shouldnt have to load gold to pen any tank unless it is in a very good position. Being out in the open at a slight angle is not a good position. You should definitely have to aim to pen it, but having your upper plate as the main weakspot is stupid. I appreciate WG making a tech tree tank OP but these changes were too much. It will almost definitely get nerfed soon which defeats the whole point of the change.

crystal basin Sep 20, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Or maybe wg finally tryed To please history fanatics, that tigers were actual threath head on (should be done on Tiger 1) 🤣 time to execute operation flanking, instead yolorush headon 🤣🤣

distant river Sep 20, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Some questionable reactions 2 messages above @sullen mango

coarse harness Sep 20, 2019, 10:19 AM

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Sk8 is new in this discord thing as I know

crystal basin Sep 20, 2019, 11:40 AM

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@agile yoke only td, tier 10. Others are quite fine.

umbral peak Sep 20, 2019, 12:08 PM

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T26e5 really good tank it a sham is in a crat

jade cargoBOT Sep 20, 2019, 12:41 PM

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dynoSuccess Budin Al-Gonjore#9321 has been warned.

distant river Sep 20, 2019, 12:47 PM

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@agile yoke Read the pinned messages

unique scaffold Sep 20, 2019, 12:50 PM

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@agile yoke this channel has nothing to do with matchmaking

next lantern Sep 20, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Time to use those certificates I’ve been saving. To be fair to WG they have made the daily crates better and I’m thankful for that.

fiery turtle Sep 20, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Next up: VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A

Request:
No more armour, but 2 degrees more gun depression, please, -6 is not enough for a German heavy. (2 degrees less gun elevation to compensate is fine.)

round sundial Sep 20, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Add better terrain resistance to that. It needs to have power to weight ratio somewhere between Tiger 2 and T54 mod1

thick rover Sep 20, 2019, 4:15 PM

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M48 need a buff? For discussion

sullen mango Sep 20, 2019, 4:17 PM

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@distant river Just seen your tag, I think its fine for some tanks to be that difficult to pen frontally, in many cases it can be the only trick the tank has...although on the case of the Tiger 2 I think maybe a little bit off the lower plate is needed. I would give it the same 130mm as the E75 gets on it lower plate, can be challenging but not bonkers to pen then.

@coarse harness nah not new to discord, been on for years just to lazy to make my own server until now

drifting depot Sep 20, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Now that i think about it, there's quite a lot of people complaining about the 183 in game but no one complains about the jag wich is better in every way.....prolly because of the popularity

karmic steeple Sep 20, 2019, 4:36 PM

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No one likes the high alpha that’s why it gets so many complaints. It’s not about the quality of the tank

drifting depot Sep 20, 2019, 4:39 PM

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And as I said the jag is better in every way, maybe not the alpha but with that reload tho, ya get it, extremely more armor better gun handling pretty much the same speed and bla bla

lunar niche Sep 20, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@drifting depot Its turretless and does not have HESH. Even the pen on HE is quite low.

supple thistle Sep 20, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Because 800 healtg is a big yikes but 1200-1400 health is a thanks for playing here's your garage bill number

The 183 can make you a one shot at any time for almost any tank unless you're a super heavy. That's not to say the Jgpz doesn't slap you silly, but it is the difference between 2 shots to die and 3

drifting depot Sep 20, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Hmm well I guess

unique scaffold Sep 20, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Wargaming u need to nerf the T-22 Medium somehow

drowsy plaza Sep 21, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Better to buff many of the other X meds

brazen monolith Sep 21, 2019, 2:50 AM

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And IS-7

thick rover Sep 21, 2019, 3:17 AM

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^Why

paper mason Sep 21, 2019, 6:58 AM

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It's not the tanks it's the players.. It's too easy to grind tanks and people are not watching videos how to play.. You now find tier 8 or 9 with 2-5k battles.. this looks like a good game but it's not IMO, rather have a close game down to the wire than a game like this. Maybe there should be some sort of training missions..

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meager spruce Sep 21, 2019, 7:45 AM

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@lusty silo can we expect the charts from 6.2 to be posted in #devs-answers ?

ruby oriole Sep 21, 2019, 7:53 AM

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@paper mason Seems like a brag to me, but anyway, the matchmaker is random, so those types of matches should not happen often. And wasn’t it decided that this chat was not for matchmaking?

whole void Sep 21, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Why has the KV2 been nerfed so much?

distant river Sep 21, 2019, 8:44 AM

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@whole void It hasn't been nerfed/removed enough

indigo knot Sep 21, 2019, 9:02 AM

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@meager spruce you waiting for Foch and T22 med stats??
Knowing WG they won't show T22 stats

full token Sep 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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‘Not popular enough ;)’
Foch will be shown for sure. Not T22 though, if it isn’t played enough

meager spruce Sep 21, 2019, 10:37 AM

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@indigo knot exactly. Am also wondering for FV215b and STB1

whole void Sep 21, 2019, 12:54 PM

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@distant river the amount of damage that i could do in 1 shot has been reduced so much that now killing tier 6 tanks in 1 shot has become rare for me

distant river Sep 21, 2019, 1:15 PM

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@whole void The amount of damage you can do has stayed the same 🤦
You should never be able to 1 shot kill a red without an ammorack or it being a max roll with fire etc. The KV2 is possibly the worst tank for the games health. It should have been made collectors and the 152 removed in 5.5

unique scaffold Sep 21, 2019, 1:21 PM

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@whole void. Good.

whole void Sep 21, 2019, 1:26 PM

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now that i think about it, sounds reasonable. thank you @distant river

wise dirge Sep 21, 2019, 1:27 PM

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The KV-2 dream team still works in tournaments though
Messed around last night lol
The trick is to never aim your shot

whole void Sep 21, 2019, 1:37 PM

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that is true , unaimed shot hits about 70% of the times

mental nymph Sep 21, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Hey, does anyone know when we will get the rewards for livestream. Its been over an hour after the stream ended

distant river Sep 21, 2019, 2:43 PM

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@mental nymph Try posting your question in a channel related to it 🤦

unique scaffold Sep 21, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Hi all, general question it has become increasingly impossible to have a game at top tier without players with 2k battles and below 45% wr. The last release has made my wr drop from 54.97% to 54.90% in three days showing how many battles I won... if I play lower tier IX I end up being usually in the top tier damage but loose to such players. Tier X is just impossible 7-0 and at best 5-2... the game is now unplayable...

latent snow Sep 21, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Yeah i feel you, it very irritating to play well and not have it pay off

upper socket Sep 21, 2019, 3:51 PM

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hello, buff 183

grand raptor Sep 21, 2019, 3:52 PM

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nerf 183 for the bants

mental nymph Sep 21, 2019, 4:08 PM

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@distant river where should I post that wg sees it. Theres no way anyone related to wg will see it. Its just waste of time by asking wg, just asking the playerbase

distant river Sep 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@mental nymph Post it in the technical issues where someone will pay attention to it

quick ravine Sep 21, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Can we buff the KV-2 HE back to what it was? It now means we can’t troll in training rooms, and 82mm is too little to consistently penetrate enemy tanks. Possibly a nerf (small one) for 14TP?

brazen monolith Sep 21, 2019, 6:51 PM

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They should stop nerfing tanks so often when almost all of them don’t need it

distant river Sep 21, 2019, 7:31 PM

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@quick ravine If you want to troll in training rooms then you are just going to accept the balence of the game modes you are supposed to be playing. The KV2 should not have a 152 at all.

nimble zodiac Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 PM

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2716 DPM with HE is too good, even the AP DPM is nice, KV-2 shouldn’t need an HE buff again, sure you may enjoy it, but the players you derp mercilessly are not going to

paper mason Sep 21, 2019, 8:24 PM

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@ruby oriole That happens every 3 to 4 games that there is a blow out.. even on tier 10, and if I was looking to brag I'd show the same on a tier 10 game rather than a lower tier... I was just using that as an example. A brag would also be against players that would be known.. not people I have never heard about..

flat bane Sep 22, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Anybody feel the lower tier French TDs need a rework? Or nah

fading salmon Sep 22, 2019, 1:46 AM

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yah
except s35ca

flat bane Sep 22, 2019, 2:00 AM

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@fading salmon the T4 and T7, may be the T6 need their hatches removed.

noble siren Sep 22, 2019, 2:02 AM

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No

fading salmon Sep 22, 2019, 2:03 AM

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T7 is fine, T6 is really mediocre, T4 is nightmare

flat bane Sep 22, 2019, 2:34 AM

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@fading salmon what part of the T4 should get a buff btw? Tbh it does feel slow for the armor you get.

fading salmon Sep 22, 2019, 2:35 AM

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yes

shy wren Sep 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Tier VI is quite nice to use, tier IV is horrendously bad. A mobility buff would be nice on the tier IV

drifting depot Sep 22, 2019, 4:46 AM

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I feel a little like the kv3 needs a buff, it lacks dpm gun handling and armor unless angled just right, does anyone else feel a little bit too much like it wasn't made with stalinium? Maybe a frontal armor buff or just aim time would make it nice and quite a lot more popular

spiral ember Sep 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Hi

unique scaffold Sep 22, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Tiger 2 needs nerf please

shy wren Sep 22, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Just revert the lower plate

drifting depot Sep 22, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I mean, the lower plate is even thicker than the e100's one and keeping in mind that you're at tier 8 with tanks that have extremely less penetration than tier 10, can you imagine how strong that lower plate is on comparison?, I still want the kv3 to get a buff 😔

unique scaffold Sep 22, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Tiger 2 need a nerf, bloody hell at least make the turret weaker just like vk36

round sundial Sep 22, 2019, 8:42 AM

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The turret is already a weakspot frontally. Thinking about it, perhaps buff the upper plate further to AMX M4 49 level but weaken the lower plate significantly. This way it can retain the armour it has, but will have a frontal weakspot for tanks like meds to penetrate when facing it

noble siren Sep 22, 2019, 8:47 AM

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That's a good idea^

quick ravine Sep 22, 2019, 8:51 AM

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@distant river @nimble zodiac i have to say it’s annoying in training rooms, but more so for me in normal game modes. The 4mm down for penetration is actually quite a lot, and it’s a pain because you used to never need to have a player in tow, so if you mess your shot up (which lets be honest it happens quite a lot) you do 300 dmg and then have to run away to not get butchered. And it’s not fair on people who play it to constantly have to spam HE (since the AP is horrendous) at everyone because it just does 300 dmg and then you wait for 20 seconds. I would like it to go back to 86mm.

unique scaffold Sep 22, 2019, 9:16 AM

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@round sundial which weakspot are you talking about?

iron hearth Sep 22, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Tiger 2 turret is strong only if its directly facing to you just a slighty turn makes it pretty ez to pen

distant river Sep 22, 2019, 10:06 AM

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@quick ravine It was 10mm of pen that was nerfed and it is nowhere near enough. The KV2 (as has been repeatedly said) is toxic to the game and should be removed. Failing that it should be below the level of the 183. If you enjoy ruining the game for everyone else then you should have to pay. The KV2 should not have a 152 and it should never be able to 1 shot tanks. It should be a collectors and it should have the 107.

covert kestrel Sep 22, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Do kv collectors :)

ionic kraken Sep 22, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@distant river yup, that's one way to say ,,F#@K Russian tanks". But then again, it's already crippled enough. It's slow, highly inaccurate, takes ages to reload and can no longer one shot certain tanks anymore thx to nerfed pen. What more can you do to make it worse? Plus, there is the Smasher...

coarse harness Sep 22, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Then it's time to stop punishing newbies at T5-6 and play high tier

distant river Sep 22, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Remove the 152 and then the tank can be balenced. If it has the ability to 1 shot another tank then it cannot be balenced (ignoring ammoracks etc)

drowsy plaza Sep 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Yawn KV-2 nub wagon already sucks

oblique parrot Sep 22, 2019, 4:46 PM

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Wow no why nerf the tiger 2? It has same hull armor as E75 but that doesn't mean it is as sloped thus not that hard to pen. So just because the Tiger 2 has the same hull thickness as E75 (No it doesn't have a thicker hull than E100 @drifting depot ) does it mean it should get a nerf.

Have any of you ever complained about the T32 turret? Show me how many tanks have more Turret armor than the T32.

drifting depot Sep 22, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Oi fella with that of course I mean the lower plate, the upper plate is ok but the lower one is extremely overcooked, is thicker than the one on the e100 and the e75 and as you just said tiger 2 and e75 HAVE THE SAME HULL

teal olive Sep 22, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I say there’s two nerf options. 1: lower the mobility and keep armor or 2: just nerf the lower plate a wee bit

latent snow Sep 22, 2019, 5:16 PM

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@drifting depot e75 has much steeper frontal armor than the tiger 2,
Not the same hull.

drifting depot Sep 22, 2019, 5:18 PM

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One thing is not having the same hull and other thing is having the same hull slightly modified, even the e50 m is based of a tiger 2's hull bud

nimble zodiac Sep 22, 2019, 5:23 PM

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The AP is not terrible, it works with the pen of a tier V gun, doing 640 with a few more seconds than KV-1S’s 400, yes, I know 1S has great penetration but the KV-2 can still go through most tier 6 tanks with AP, even then the HE is still reliable for lights and mediums to get derped

drifting depot Sep 22, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I mean, ya the normal ap needs a buff bud that's for sure but most people doesn't want to use pramo for some reason, they just switch to he and do splash damage claiming UUUH IMPENETRABLE, someone needs to teach people that no matter how huge the reticle is, if you wait around 3 seconds you would have 50% chance of the shot going straight in like a laser beam or 50% chance of the shot going who knows where....... once I accidentally ammo racked an undetected tank like that lol

warm star Sep 22, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I play tier six constantly with the T-34-85, and the KV-2 is really not a problem at all, on average I see them get one big roll off and one or two splash hits and then they gut bum rushed by the masses of tier six dpm machines

karmic steeple Sep 22, 2019, 5:47 PM

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As long as you know what you’re doing kv2 shouldn’t be a problem

jagged tendon Sep 22, 2019, 5:59 PM

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So wargaming. Last night I finally get enough credits to move up from the euro tree tier 6 p43bis to tier 7 p43ter. First game out with it I come across an IS Russian heavy and I fire 3-4 rounds in to its side before it could turn and fire at me. All of those rounds bounced off the IS. Not one round penetrated the hull. Now I’m forced to use free xp to get the better turret and gun. This is not good. Why is the pen so bad right out of the box for the p43 ter

drifting depot Sep 22, 2019, 6:00 PM

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You know bud, to begin with those tanks have quite a lot of penetration for mediums AND you're using a stock gun, unless it's a 152mm communism launcher it shouldnt be even close to good

rancid orchid Sep 22, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I feel like the gravedigger needs a nerf. Not a huge one but a small one. Maybe armor and relaod nerf because i have trouble penning it in any tank. Including tanks that have high premium ammo pen

karmic steeple Sep 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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The gravedigger is balanced it’s hard to hit but it also has no pen. It also has to pen most of its shots to be able to do any significant damage. Also there is a couple weak spots that even tier 6 meds can pen it’s just hard

distant river Sep 22, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Gravedigger is pretty balenced. Good armour against tier 6s, alright against 7s and bad against 8s. Gun is situational and speed is decent. A good med killer but it suffers against heavies and higher tiers.

noble siren Sep 22, 2019, 6:30 PM

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So people cry about Tiger ll but not about AMX M4 49, sad...

wide flume Sep 22, 2019, 6:32 PM

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^^^^indeed, I had an is6 and another tiger 2 pen my front just fine even with ap. They shot the hatch and penned front easily with gold ammo. Anyone can get the tank for free I don’t get why anyone is complaining lol

noble siren Sep 22, 2019, 7:20 PM

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They are probably noobs

unique scaffold Sep 22, 2019, 7:22 PM

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nerf kv2 derp gun more

crystal spoke Sep 22, 2019, 7:22 PM

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^

wide flume Sep 22, 2019, 7:22 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯ even after buff, I still hesitate to face a t34 knowing it’s punchy gun and good turret, an isu and other tank destroyers can rip through its armor no problem even with ap

primal yacht Sep 22, 2019, 7:50 PM

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My SU-101 shot misses, fully zoomed-in, and a moving T49’s shot hits...just stupid. Not RNG...just dumb.

sudden berry Sep 22, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Dear WG, pls bring back the older armor of Tiger 2, here are 3 reasons to do that:

The first reason is that Tiger 2 aka King Tiger is the legacy of history. You may say that this game is not historical itself, coz here are a lot of not even close to history tanks, may be, but in my very own opinion people who play Tiger 2 line want to play tanks like Tiger and Tiger 2 most of all because of the history they made. Those mm numbers were real, those machines were build and fought with those numbers of mm.

You, me, we, us no one can ever rewrite the history

The second thing is that it was not the tank any player had any problems with. The tanks like Tiger 2, IS 3, and some other tanks like their progenitors Tiger 1 and IS are the benchmarks of the game balance. Yes Tiger 2 is a bit more skill required vehicle, but if you know how to use it, you can play even better then on IS 3 with its bad accuracy. That’s why a lot of skilled players likes it more then IS 3. The very important point is that by upgrading Tiger armor, you maybe make it easier for newbies to play, but you will make it imbalanced in hands of skilled players.

And the third: The new Tiger 2 is the part of the e100 line part, this line is one of the most popular lines in World of Tanks Blitz. I thought that you WG wanted to make more lines playable, for example you add new consumables for the British heavy tanks. But pls just compare the ultranerfed vk 100.01 (p) with the new Tiger 2. Is vk 100 as good as new Tiger 2? This is a rhetorical question, don’t rack your brain.

You should spend more money on the game balance group and employ those who really understands the nuances of balance

That’s all, this is the first time I wright here, and I hope that you will at least read it.

crystal spoke Sep 22, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@sudden berry if you want the tiger 2 to be more like it's real counter part why dont we drop it to t6 so it can fight the tanks its historical counterpart did.
The new armour allows it to be as intimidating as the tiger 2 was historically against tanks that struggled to penetrate its armour

sudden berry Sep 22, 2019, 8:21 PM

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@crystal spoke why u think that tiers should represent the years they were made or fought. This is just a system WG made to balance the tanks. Thats why we see stb 1 made in 1975 fighting with maus made in 1944

noble siren Sep 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@sudden berry I really doubt you know something about the game. The Tiger2 got buffed because it was outperformed by nearly every tier 8 tank. This game is far far far from historical game. There's nothing wrong that Tiger ll got buffed. People have problem penning its armor for some reason, so the lower plate should be nerfed to at least 150 to make people stop crying about it being "OP" and "hard to pen". The buff on the Tiger ll was a good move because now it can face and deal with the most of the premium tanks so I'm thankful for this change. And if more of the tier 8 tanks can steal pen it I can't see the problem but hey...

dawn sparrow Sep 22, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I only received 2 containers instead of 3 during the live desoler I am French

crystal spoke Sep 22, 2019, 8:37 PM

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@sudden berry you said you wanted it to have its historical armour values and in order to keep the tiger 2 as a formattable enemy heavy tank you would have to lower the tier right now its finally able to keep up with the other t8 heavies and even the premium heavies armour wise now i do think the lfp should get a bit of a nerf other than that i think its new armour is great

indigo knot Sep 22, 2019, 8:40 PM

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One thing surely made me laugh that skilled players preferred pre buffed Tiger 2 over IS3
@sudden berry Tiger2 needed buff and yes lfp needs a bit of nerf other than that it is fine....

sudden berry Sep 22, 2019, 8:41 PM

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@noble siren "now it can face and deal with the most of the premium tanks" man, do you even play game? Why do you think that premium tanks are stronger then standard?

noble siren Sep 22, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Be more concrete with the last question

crystal spoke Sep 22, 2019, 8:47 PM

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its simple yet unfortunate a more powerful tank will get more money from people buying it then an average or below average tank would when sold as a premium

hot sun Sep 22, 2019, 9:51 PM

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😂 it's no lie some premium tanks can out perform their tech tree counter parts

sudden berry Sep 22, 2019, 10:16 PM

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@noble siren
Did you mean that its impossible to nerf premium tanks, so tech tree tanks should be buffed? Sorry if I did get you right. Even if so i dont think that tiger 2 is the most unplayable tank on tier 8
If you look in the dev-answers charts, that sh you will see that tiger 2 is in the middle of heavy tanks in 6.0 and a bit lower then average in 6.1 based on the fact that it haven’t been changed so its just coz of meta changes. I dont know about 6.2 but in 6.3 statistics the tiger 2 will be as imbalanced as Charioteer when showed up. I love german tanks, end especially the tigers. But I don’t think Tiger 2 was bad

warped anchor Sep 22, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Tiger 2 needed that buff,tiger 2 had useless armor profile which is the main purpose of a heavy SPECIALLY at tier 8 and its a huge tank which makes its lack of armor even more bad for the tank and driver,only thing it needs to be truly balanced is a 10 to 20mm lower plate armor nerf thats all but overall the tank is more useful now as a heavy tank,perfect antidote to 252us and IS spam.

sudden berry Sep 22, 2019, 10:38 PM

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@warped anchor well we will see if it be imbalanced or not. But to be honest, just open armor inspector (the updated browser version) and compare new Tiger armor to IS3 armor. Tigers lower plate is better then e100 one. Well ok we will see, I truly want to believe that balance dev group knows what they get paid for

winged barn Sep 22, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Tiger 2 was fine before, as it had a gun that could deal with the russian tanks

warped anchor Sep 22, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Why do you think i mentioned its lower plate to be nerfed by 10 to 20mm? Im aware that the tiger 2 plate is broken even more with its size,and the is3 still has a better turret worse hull armor but its not a big deal since its play style is much more different

formal vale Sep 22, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Ok people, let's calm down.

I think we can all agree that the Tiger II needs a nerf. However, for the sake of balancing, it shouldn't be reverted back to what it once was.

I propose a compromise.

Lower Plate reverted to 120mm of armor
Side armor reduced to 90mm
Track Traverse +3° per second

This would allow for the Tiger II to retain its playstyle of being a brute force heavy, but an element of skill is added. You have to watch out for your lower plate. This would fit the rest of the German heavy line and just be an overall fix to the tank in my opinion.

Edit: @wide flume because 100mm of side armor is just a touch too much. Also the slightly better traverse would semi-compensate for the armor, but not by a lot.

wide flume Sep 22, 2019, 11:24 PM

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How about just nerf lower plate and leave the rest of the tank be? It should never be reverted back to what it once was. Only the upper part of the side armor was increased to 100mm; not the lower part where the tracks are. **Tier 6 **Vk has 80mm of side armor; Tier 7 Tiger 1 has 82mm sides; Tier 8 Tiger 2 should stay as 100mm sides; then the Tier 9 E75 has 120mm sides. It is as it should be, like steps up a staircase. 80->82->100->120. Besides, the Tier 8 VK 100.01 (P) has more side armor at 130mm than the E75 (¬‿¬)

warm star Sep 23, 2019, 2:05 AM

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I think it’s interesting people want the Tiger II’s sides nerfed back to what they were but are fine with the fact that every russian tier eight premium heavy has better side armor than it not counting the IS-2SH

hot sun Sep 23, 2019, 2:17 AM

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"Buff tech tree tanks, premium tanks shouldn't be better" Tiger 2 gets buff "NeRf TiGeR tOo OP"

crystal spoke Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 AM

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dont forget to mention how the is2sh has the same side armour as the tiger 2 currently does although its kinda funny that the is2sh finally shares a stat with an "op" tank
~~not saying the tiger 2 is op just that others are~~

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 2:39 AM

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The main issue I have with the Tiger II having 100mm of side armor is the fact that the Lowe has 80mm of side armor. Making the Tiger II's side armor 90mm wont kill the tank. I just want to see it be less forgiving.

wide flume Sep 23, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Lowe is a premium and tiger 2 is not, simple. Tech tree tank is finally better than a premium and people want it nerfed facepalm~ Stop comparing the two...

flat bane Sep 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Oh my OOF. There is only one way to adequately and permanently fix this problem of "tanks are too op" or "tanks are too weak". Remove all the tanks form the game 👏 simple and easy 👏 👏 . ¯_(ツ)_/¯

nimble zodiac Sep 23, 2019, 4:22 AM

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If you want to swim in credits you’ll actually have to use a worse counterpart, I’m not a hater of this decision, I like Tiger II, really reflective of E75, oh and if the E75 TS is coming into the game as blitz hangar says it will then nerf the heck out of that side armor, that thing can fight sideways for all I care and it’ll be crazy

drifting depot Sep 23, 2019, 4:33 AM

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So um ye I just saw 2 buds saying that the kv2's derp gun should get even MORE nerfs, buddy the kv2 already lost like half the player base that loved it and you want it to dissapear now or what? It's no one's fault that any tanks someone uses has low armor or the kv2 has a big enough brain to finally switch to pramo wich still has 174 pen or something

drifting depot Sep 23, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Someone @ me saying a lot of bad words and his message was insta deleted 😂

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Tiger ll's lower plate should be nerfed to 140 or 150 nothing more

crystal spoke Sep 23, 2019, 5:42 AM

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That's the only thing I think needs changed and 150mm seems fair at that

coarse harness Sep 23, 2019, 6:00 AM

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So it should have more armor than the super heavies at T8 with almost twice as much top speed as well ?🤔

Now it can sidescrape so just nerf the lower plate back how it was

flat bane Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Tiger lls armour is better then E75s lmao -joke-

crystal spoke Sep 23, 2019, 6:17 AM

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What t8 super heavy has less than 160mm ufp? Aside from the super angled obj 252u with its 130mm

coarse harness Sep 23, 2019, 6:23 AM

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What T8 super heavy has 250mm effective lfp ?

coarse harness Sep 23, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Seems perfectly balanced

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compact cloud Sep 23, 2019, 6:50 AM

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I just say "Get 1300 xp in one battle" mission should be reduced to 1200 xp, or at least 1250, 5 hours getting only between 1200 and 1280 xp

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Stop complaining about its armor Amx M4 49 has the same armor profile with even stronger turret, but it seems that you're fine with it. Stop crying about its armor. 150 or 140 mm nerf on the lfp will be fine and nothing more. It seems that most of the players can't deal with its armor for some reason.

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Leopard should became a t6 for me :v

iron hearth Sep 23, 2019, 9:46 AM

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what i can't penetrate a t8 heavy frontally with my tier 8 medium/light?, that means it needs a nerf 🙄 , btw you can penetrate him frontally, there is cupola you just need to aim...

ruby oriole Sep 23, 2019, 9:56 AM

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You guys keep complaining about the hull, but everyone forgot to mention that the tiger with its flat turret is a pretty easy pen with prammo. The russian heavies can hull down, and some of them even have 0 hull down weakspots. I’d say nerf the lower plate and nothing else, so people actually have to learn how to angle. Keep the side at 100mm; the russian heavies have the same amount, along with some blackhole spaced-armour technology

round sundial Sep 23, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Actually, soviet side armour is not good because of spaced armour, but because the main hull armour is insanely sloped for them. Check it in armour inspector

dull token Sep 23, 2019, 11:44 AM

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So whose bright idea was it, to add a autoloading system on the fv4005, i thought tds were suppose to be shoot n hide, meanwhile the fv4005 has to stand in the open for 6 secs in its paper armor, like jesus christo at lease make it auto reloading

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 11:47 AM

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You don't have to shoot all three shots together....

full token Sep 23, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Shoot 3 and then hide?

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Position yourself near hard cover or use a ridge line? Time your exposure for when the reds are reloading... Basically don't go in the open.

dull token Sep 23, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Still tho the 18 sec reload time and mts can still get you since the turret cant rotate 360

drifting depot Sep 23, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Dude stop complaining about it, you have 1200 damage capabilities and just the fact that it has a turret is good enough, the American one also can't rotate it, neither the deathstar or the grille even tho for some reason the grille's one counts as part of the hull for some reason, I think it used to be able to rotate 360 on the the grille, aaaaaalso I'm pretty sure ya based purely on stats, it has those consumables wich imo put it in a op place, like the autoloader adrenaline and improved engine boost

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 12:21 PM

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4005 is great with its autoloader. It has enough alpha to trade as well as a clip and decent dpm. Its armour is great for baiting HE and with the spall liner it might as well have the same armour as a leo. Its fast and has depression despite its huge profile. Without the consumables it would be a good tank.

winter sluice Sep 23, 2019, 12:24 PM

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there is a tank everyone forgot about... Hellcat

Hellcat deserve a bit of armor buff

concealment buff

and reload decrease

iron lynx Sep 23, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Hellcat DPM does need an increase

fiery turtle Sep 23, 2019, 1:09 PM

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The Tiger II could have been buffed a different way, by giving it 1 more degree of gun depression (-8 is historically accurate) and another 100 hit points

The VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A needs 2 more degrees of gun depression (to -8) and a dispersion buff as well.

latent snow Sep 23, 2019, 1:14 PM

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i love how people cry after the vk 100 armor nerf but whine about the tiger 2 armor buff

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 1:28 PM

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@winter sluice hellcat just needs its historical top end speed.

quick lichen Sep 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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@latent snow god forbid a super heavy had armor. I never understood the vk 100 nerf. Take away the traverse. Not the armor

narrow peak Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfTanksBlitz/comments/d86w9k/has_wg_realize_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf if you don’t know how broken the new Italian tanks is look at this post

Has WG realize this?!

Posted in r/WorldOfTanksBlitz by u/hkhsksdm • 3 points and 0 comments

indigo knot Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 PM

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@quick lichen that was coz IS-x tank players where having troubles against it....they can't stand that any other heavy tank is better tank those IS-x tanks

quick lichen Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Well aware

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It’s sad

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 2:41 PM

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@indigo knot this will also happen with the Tigerll

indigo knot Sep 23, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@noble siren Ikr.....while yes lfp needs a bit of nerf but they are complaining about the side armour...like seriously..... have they seen Russian side armour.....its 90mm to 120mm minimum with spaced armour which many times trolls even when flat sides are showing (especially IS5 Is3 ).....If you angle the sides of Is3def a bit it bounces the shells easily and so does the Is6

teal olive Sep 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Don’t worry IS drivers... the tiger 2 will get nerfed into its grave again and your stupid IS tanks will reign again.

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I have theory. I think people want the Tiger ll nerfed because after the update he became stronger than some premiums. And the P2W players are now sad because there is tech-tree tank which is better than the premium tanks. What do you think?
PC: People complaining about Tiger ll being OP are noobs with IS tanks

iron hearth Sep 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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^ totally agree , this is the real reason

narrow peak Sep 23, 2019, 4:11 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll-S6MhqfrY&feature=share the tier 8 to tier 10 is broken pls watch to unstand why @sullen mango hey 👋

YouTube

hkhsksdm

World Of Tanks Blitz/ New Broken Italian Tanks

Act stock or something

▶ Play video

full token Sep 23, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Why’re you sharing this everywhere

narrow peak Sep 23, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Ok I’m sorry if this cost any troubles for anyone but this whole new Italian auto reloader is just Broken I don’t really know what to do but get someone attention on this matter @full token watch the video then you will understand

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 4:45 PM

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what is broken there ?!

full token Sep 23, 2019, 4:50 PM

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It’s only going to work if you have one shell of that type left, which has too many issues to be of any good in a battle. Maybe a bug but not any serious issue that’ll cause a lot of autoreloaders to be an issue

narrow peak Sep 23, 2019, 4:53 PM

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No you switch between them , yes you need only one or two shells for it to work but you switch between your 1 HE 2 APCR and the rest of the AP shells to max out the damages out put do you understand @full token

cunning kindle Sep 23, 2019, 4:53 PM

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^
Good work finding dis

narrow peak Sep 23, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I can push out a crazy amount of damages using this explore

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 5:27 PM

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@wide flume I'm just gonna copy paste what I put in #623485524103004160

I agree that the Tiger needed a buff, but it didn't need a lower plate or side armor buff. The fact that it completely outclasses the Lowe now is a testiment to that. They should have just buffed the upper plate and turret and that's it. The side armor and lower plate were just excessive.

Edit: Premium and Tech Tree tanks should be equal in strength. To say one should simply be better than the other is outright ridiculous considering +/-2 MM and preferential MM are now things of the past.

round sundial Sep 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Tech tree tanks should be slightly stronger than prems, that is the idea WoT prems started with. Prems compensate for this by having no grind for new modules or crew and by making substantially more credits and by being unique

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 5:41 PM

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That's what WoT started with. You know what else Blitz started with? Team damage, +2/-2, and full-damage premium rounds. Things change, and policies should (and have) changed with it. Premiums dont have preferential matchmaking anymore and the Lowe actually used to be equal to the Tiger II until they buffed its frontal armor. Now, since they buffed the Tiger's turret to match the Lowe's, side armor to be 20mm more, and removed any frontal weak spots the tank once had, the Lowe has been far outclassed. Much more so than "slightly stronger".

karmic steeple Sep 23, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Tiger II is fine rn. Side armor is still easily penned so I dont know what the complaining is about that. Bottom plate might be a little too strong but there’s this thing can balance over time where the player base learns how to beat a tank. Learn how to beat a tiger II.

round sundial Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Lowe has a much better turret armour, more gun depression and far better gun. It is not the clearly better tank, but it still has it's place. Both can stay the way they are now

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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The ones complaining about the Tiger ll are just stupid. The tank is not that strong like obj252u it's not that hard to attack it from different angle. The tank is not that strong. You are all crying because you paid for something OP which u can't play and it happened a similar tech-tree tank to be buffed and now you are sad. Get good in this game. For example Maus has enough big weak spots but people spam gold anyway, now when the weak spots on the tiger2 are hard to hit you want to use only normal. The amx M4 49 has better hull armor but noone cries about it. You all just don't know what do you want. That's why this game is going to die because of its community.

lunar niche Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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@formal vale How exactly has Lowe been far outclassed?

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 6:31 PM

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T26e4 needs a overhaul, it has a t6 engine, the depression doesn't help bc any decent t8 med or heavy can pen it, the gun does ok damage, speed is atrocious, turret traverse is atrocious, armor is only troll for t7s, the side and back armor is complete garbage, way more frontal weak spots that other t8 heavies and I am comparing them bc that is what the tank is supposed to imitate. Your best chance of survival is to stand behind the heavies bc the isu will rek you, not really competitive at all, should have the lower plate from the PC version.

crystal spoke Sep 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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How so? Its pretty good at what it does

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Super Pershing needs better gun handling. That would make the tank for me.

winter sluice Sep 23, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@unique scaffold top speed or not, Hellcat really need a buff it can't compete with any tank at all

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 6:50 PM

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@round sundial The lowe does not have a far better gun. It has 9mm more pen, 0.4 sec better reload and fractionally better gun handling.

@noble siren The tiger is far superior to the 252u and the M4 49 has a weak lower plate and so it can be penned with aiming. The tigers only weakspot is the cupola which is extremely small. Meds cannot pen it when angled at all, and most of them cannot pen with prammo. Yes they should be flanking but having a fast enough tank with a decent gun and that much armour is just stupid. It is clearly unbalanced.

Personally I say leave it how it is until other prems are nerfed and then nerf its lower plate but that is because any nerf now will be way too much and will destroy it again.

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 6:59 PM

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@lunar niche

Tiger II has better frontal hull armor overall
Tiger II has way better side armor
Tiger II has better turret armor overall
The Lowe actually has weak spots

I'm not saying that the Lowe needs a buff. I'm saying that the Lowe shouldn't be outclassed just because it's a premium tank.

lunar niche Sep 23, 2019, 7:20 PM

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@formal vale

Tiger 2 has better LFP while Lowe has better UFP. Lowe's UFP is more angled.
Only the upper side is 100mm while the lower is still at 80mm.
-Tiger 2's turret is flat at 234mm effective facing straight on. If you move it a bit, the angled side is getting penned. Lowe's front turret has 120mm angled spaced armour covering the main 120mm armour. Thats better than Tiger 2's flat armour.
-Tiger 2's front becomes grey to gold. Overangle and you're getting shot through tracks. If the turret is not faced straight on to target, the angled side becomes easy pen.

The strong LFP is stupid and but outright outclassing Lowe? Nahhhh.

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 7:22 PM

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The tiger has better armour and speed than the lowe, and the gun is very similar. The lowe (already a very good tank) is essentially useless compared to the tiger except for making credits. In an ideal world the lowe should be a viable alternative but still be slightly worse to compensate for its credit coefficient.

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 7:25 PM

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The Lowe has better gun and turret armor than Tiger ll

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 7:31 PM

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A 20% increase in side armor means you can angle more aggressively and take more hits. The Tiger has no business having 100mm of side armor.

Also, those turret armor buffs made the Tiger II's turret equivalent to the Lowe's in effective use.

It's funny how you say the Tiger II suffers from getting tracked with 100mm of side armor and you expect the Lowe to not have the same issue but worse with 80mm of armor... @lunar niche

@wide flume what do you expect happens when you over angle the turret armor on the Lowe? The same exact thing. I'm fine with them having similar turret strength, but the side armor and lack of frontal weak spots is what needs to be fixed.

wide flume Sep 23, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@formal vale dude, you know that the Tiger 2 had 80mm of side armor on both the hull and turret right. If you over angled even the slightest bit in that tank people would rip through it with ap no problem. The Soviet tanks have sloped and spaced side armor while the Germans are all flat. I agree with the people who are saying that it needs a lower plate nerf but the buff to the upper part of the side armor made it more competitive to Soviet and other tanks. Only the upper part of the hull side was buffed to 100mm and the side of the turret as well to 100mm. Even with the buff if you over angle the turret while hull down people will pen you easily while Soviet vehicles don’t have as many problems. Stop whining about the sides and the Lowe....”Lack of frontal weak spots” the lower plate will get nerfed for sure don’t worry. It still has a weak couple and the small machine gun port in the front which are weak spots...

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 7:37 PM

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@noble siren The lowes gun (as I have said about 5 min ago) has 9mm more pen, 0.4 sec faster reload and negligibly better gun handling differences. Tigers turret needs 230mm pen to go though whereas lowe has the large 150mm weakspot beneath the gun. The lowe also has 200mm cheeks. This means tiger has bigger but stronger weakspots so they are roughly the same strength.

lunar niche Sep 23, 2019, 7:37 PM

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@formal vale Lowe has more than 260mm effective armour in turret front. The turret cheeks are weak but are smaller than Tiger 2's.

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noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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All Tiger ll need is nerf the lower plate to 150 or 140, nothing more. And about people arguing that the 100mm on the sides are too much are stupid. They got buffed so they can be more effective against HT not only meds and lights. And ok let's say that Löwe and Tiger ll have equal strong turrets.

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 7:47 PM

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#1. The Lowe should not be outclassed by the tiger 2. The game is supposed to encourage competition by introducing weaknesses to the tank. The Lowe has the cheeks which are pennable through the front. The Tiger 2 has no business having that level of a lower plate which was also hard to pen to a certain extent. Facing the tank head on will get you in trouble so for now, while we wait for the nerf, the best option is to draw him out and get reinforcements to flank.
2. The t26e4 needs a complete overhaul, one can start with the absence of the extra plate from the PC version. It has way too many weak spots that cannot justify the slow speed and armor, the machine gun port, the whole portion above the mantle, the cheeks which can be guarded but exposes your turret ring. Fix the plates on the sides of the turrets to cover more, add the plate from PC, and give it one extra thing and it can be competitive, literally anything would help, aim time, turret traverse, speed, hull armor etc...

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 7:49 PM

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E4 is perfectly fine how it is. Its a heavy with fairly reliable armour, especially against prammo and people who cant aim. It speed isnt great but it has decent dpm.

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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ooga booga I dont know about tracks and spaced armor so I think it's ok that they only buffed the top half

You have to face your turret towards the enemies in both tanks, the cheeks on the Lowe are only slightly better. But the fact that the Tiger has 100mm of side armor means that you can side scrape way more effectively. That, compounded with the better frontal armor and equivalent turret armor make the Tiger II outclass the Lowe. Smh

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Noob and stop complaining about Tiger ll already. It's not that better than the Löwe. Just nerf the lower plate to 140 or 150 so you all can stop crying about it.

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Better gun stats dont make up for the lack of armor and mobility.

@lunar niche here

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lunar niche Sep 23, 2019, 8:05 PM

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How does that outclass Lowe? Tiger 2 has thicker and stronger LFP and thats it.

You cannot overangle while sidescraping just beacuse it has 100mm as the lower is still at 80mm.

Lowe's turret is still better than Tiger 2's and gun is also slightly better. The UFP is also better angled than Tiger 2's.

Where exactly is Lowe outclassed?

@formal vale Only thick armour that outclasses Lowe is the LFP. And that is surely gonna get nerfed.

100mm Upperside armour does not break the tank.

Turret is still a flat 220mm. Lowe has thicker Turret front at 240+mm.

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 8:07 PM

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@lunar niche Lowes turret is not better. Lowe can actually be penned in the front and is also slower.

@iron hearth Is that comment helpful in any way at all?

jade cargoBOT Sep 23, 2019, 8:09 PM

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dynoSuccess Warning logged for DOKK#8752. They were not warned.

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 8:14 PM

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I agree with @iron hearth people are now upset that their P2W are comparable to the Tiger ll and now they are really sad. They can't dominate in tier 8 so easily and they are scared that their WR will drop down.

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 8:15 PM

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@iron hearth @@noble siren Heaven forbid I want things to be balanced. I've said before that I'm 100% towards WG nerfing premium tanks. This? This is just plain stupid. I want the tanks to be balanced, equals. I don't want either to be stronger than the other. Giving the Tiger II better side armor, an equal turret, better mobility, and no frontal weak spots (for the time being) adds up to "why even play the Lowe if the Tiger II is so much better?". If you answered that with "it makes credits", you have the wrong idea of what balancing is, my friend.

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 8:19 PM

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@noble siren That is probably part of the argument for some people. However everyone can agree balence is best for the game, and that does not come with introducing/buffing tanks to be better than the OP ones. Personally, I couldnt care less about tier 8, but it has a pretty large impact on the games health which I do care about.

unique scaffold Sep 23, 2019, 8:33 PM

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@noble siren make a point without calling others stupid.

formal vale Sep 23, 2019, 8:33 PM

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@noble siren German tracks are notoriously thick. They've essentially extended the track armor up to the rest of the tank's side, which is what I have a problem with*.

Edit: What 183 said vvv

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 8:34 PM

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The weak side armour is almost totally covered by tracks. Its a bit like saying you have to sidescrape in the IS4 like you have 50mm (because there is a 50mm plate on the side). Obviously this is taking your idea to the extreme but the point is noone aims there and shots that are aimed there are absorbed by tracks

lunar niche Sep 23, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Tracks don't cover all of that 80mm. That spot is larger than russian heavies who has thier whole bottom side hull covered in tracks.

Also, tracks don't absorb every shot. E100 gets penned through tracks if it overangles while sidescraping and Maus gets penned through the tracks if it angles the hull. Where are the thick shot absorbing tracks?

noble siren Sep 23, 2019, 8:43 PM

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I'm saying again that the sides are fine, only nerf the stupid lower plate to 140-150mm. Everything else is fine as it is. Its frontal wheel is the weak spot when it overangle, if people can shoot there and pen then it's fine. And I agree with @lunar niche^^^^. Maus can be easily penned in the tracks when it angles its hull. The same is with Tiger ll.

stoic pebble Sep 23, 2019, 9:48 PM

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I'll weigh in with my own opinion. I never had any troubles when grinding the Tiger II. In fact, it was far more fun to play than the snooze fest that are the soviet T8 premiums. It punished you for over-angling, which taught me how to position my tank effectively. The 185mm of turret armor and -8 degrees of depression taught me to use different positions and not expose myself for too long. The mobility isn't even that bad.

Anyway, the 80mm of side armor it previously had couldn't be triple overmatched, and the 100mm it has now doesn't really change anything. You still need to sidescrape at a 70° angle to bounce anything that isn't a T7 medium. Side armor buff was unnecessary. The front armor buff is just silly. The upper plate was already strong enough for most T8 mediums, and even some T8 heavies when you angle it properly. Only gold could reliably pen it, and it still does now.

The UFP buff isn't the problem though. It still does the same thing it always did. The lower plate is one of the reasons I don't play PC. Weakspot removal is terrible. Players should be rewarded for good marksmanship, not pressing 2 to gold through the upper plate because there's nothing else to shoot besides a low probability cupola. You should be punished for exposing a weakspot. The only buffs the Tiger II needed at all was the turret roof buffed to 45 to prevent overmatches and maybe a upper plate buff to further encourage people to shoot at the lower plate instead of golding the upper plate. The turret armor buff is debatable. I believe 185 was good enough, but now it just bounces most standard ~220 pen T8 heavy rounds which is frustrating.

The Tiger II buffs were mostly unnecessary but I can see why WG would implement them. The community constantly pressures WG to buff certain vehicles in ways which are not required. Restore the lower plate and side armor. The Tiger II should not be as forgiving as the soviet heavies.

warm star Sep 23, 2019, 9:50 PM

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The tiger two deserved every buff except the lfp buff, it was literally the second worst tier eight heavy, and offered nothing to the table it was fun to play but not unique, and a little bit of reliable armor is welcome when it comes to any tank

distant river Sep 23, 2019, 9:54 PM

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@wraith solar Then you cannot aim.

@warm star It was more a case of other tanks (the prems) needing a nerf

warm star Sep 23, 2019, 10:00 PM

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I agree with that @distant river but I firmly believe it’s side armor buff is not that big of a deal, it will only punish those who don’t shoot the tracks rather than the top strip

formal vale Sep 24, 2019, 12:02 AM

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The thing I was trying to get at was the fact that the buff was excessive as a sum. The turret, front, AND sides all coalesced into something too good. I personally think WG should have left the side armor and lower plate alone while buffing the upper front plate and the turret front. So, as a result, I would revert the side armor back to what it was and make the lower plate 120mm again. That way, the tank becomes something you can use to go hull down, but you have to be wary of the lower plate and side armor (as you always have). You could just go hull down a lot more effectively rather than being a brute force heavy, which, in my opinion, the tiger should not be.

noble siren Sep 24, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Nerf the lower plate to 140 and that's all

coarse harness Sep 24, 2019, 5:08 AM

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@noble siren you have enough time to play with your OP lil Tiger, you don't have to defend it this much🙃

You have examples like M4 49 that you can see maybe once every 50 battles and T10 super heavies and you call the others stupid😬

formal vale Sep 24, 2019, 7:51 AM

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^^^ Gotta love how you guys are saying "awww poor kid crying that his Lowe is getting nerfed" and yet you're defending an OP tank like your lives depend on it.

round sundial Sep 24, 2019, 7:55 AM

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There are still stronger tanks in T8, complain about WZ120, WZ112-2 etc first. Tiger 2 is still ez pen with prammo, and there is not much it can do once the enemy loads it. Sure, some tanks struggle to pen it even with APCR, mostly meds and T7 tanks, which is why I'd nerf the LFP significantly, perhaps even back to 120mm, but buff the upper plate further to AMX M4 49 level, something around 170-175mm. Now the upper plate will be quite strong even for prammo, but both turret cheeks and LFP will be exploitable weakspots on the tank

noble siren Sep 24, 2019, 7:56 AM

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@round sundial this is good solution^^^^

teal olive Sep 24, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Why do you all already want the tiger 2 nerfed..... just tone down the lower plate or tone down the speed... that’s it.

distant river Sep 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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That sounds like a nerf to me... 🤦

clever void Sep 24, 2019, 2:14 PM

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It’s finally historical

flat bane Sep 24, 2019, 2:51 PM

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I mean, the tanks in Blitz are not really historical. panther l and ll 👏 👏

drowsy plaza Sep 24, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Tiger 2 is hardly OP even with the buffs. It’s still slow and sides and rear are paper. This sounds a lot like the folks who couldn’t think to exploit the VK 100 weaknesses and demanded it be nerfed to garbage. The Tiger 2 pre buff was awful, yes you could play it well - but you needed to play it unlike it ‘should’ have been able to be played. The cupola is still a weak spot, and meds and lights shouldn’t be sitting in front of it arguing about the front plates - and most tier 8 Meds can still pen the turret if they aim.

stoic pebble Sep 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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I don't understand what you mean by how "it should have been able to be played." It was a sidescraping tank, and it did that fine. With the buffs, it can go hull down, go front towards enemy in the open, and can overall play more aggressively. The vehicle isn't a VK 100 or KV-4. It's not that slow. It's mobile enough to go where it needs to go. In fact, a KV-4 angling its front as best as it can without making the side armor trash is still going to be weaker than the Tiger II not angling its lower plate at all. Is that "balance" to you? All the vehicle needed were a few quality of life changes such as a roof buff to 45 and a UFP buff.

The side and rear armor aren't even problems at all. The Tiger 2 isn't a soviet heavy. You're not supposed to brawl with enemies. Your traverse speed is actually quite good for a "slow" heavy which has stupid amounts of front armor.

You should be punished for exposing a very obvious weak spot (LFP) but instead it doesn't even matter because it's even stronger. The cupola shouldn't be the main weakspot of the vehicle. It's the place you take a chancy shot at because you can't hit the lower plate because the Tiger II player is actually using their brain and hiding the most obvious weakspot on the tank. It's kind of like buffing the lower plate of the M103 to T110E3 levels to force people to shoot its cupola. It's bad for the game. Stop supporting bad balance philosophies.

unique scaffold Sep 24, 2019, 3:52 PM

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I think the lfp buff on the Tiger 2 was a smidge excessive. Normally I don't play heavies but last night I took the tier VIII Chieftain out for a few runs (stupid win in a heavy mission) and ran into more than a few Tiger 2 toons and they made for a hard target. The only spot I could engage was the drive wheel. Everything else was red. Normally I'd just fall back and flank but that just wasn't a option. Dial the lfp back a bit and the tank will be fine.

wicked plinth Sep 24, 2019, 4:04 PM

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why not just make the game completely realistic so then we can be like oh this was OP

versed fable Sep 24, 2019, 4:54 PM

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why would you want to see your tank transmission constantly break down

unique scaffold Sep 24, 2019, 5:00 PM

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If WG gave the tiger 2 more armor might as well make it heavier so the tigers Power per ton is worse

coarse harness Sep 24, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Is should have but it has the same mobility🤷🏻‍♂️

desert stump Sep 24, 2019, 5:43 PM

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I welcome the buff for tiger 2 in the last 2 updates. It has been suffered for few years. It is not OP. It still can be killed easily. Lowe still has a better gun. It is fun to play now.

quick lichen Sep 24, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Unpopular thought. Why not just nerf the lowe a bit?

distant river Sep 24, 2019, 5:48 PM

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@desert stump compare the gun stats of the lowe and the tiger. Then consider that the tiger has a better hull, sides and speed, and the turrets are roughly the same strength. Then remember the lowe was already a very good tank.

@quick lichen lowe should be at the level the tiger 2 was before imo, and the tiger should have got an upper plate buff only.

desert stump Sep 24, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@distant river I like both tiger2 and lowe. They are both good tank in different categories. I have not tried this after the update. IS3 facehug tiger2. Before the update, tiger2 had very little chance to win a smart IS3 facehugger. Not sure after the update, I might need to try. tigger2 could not shot down the is3 during facehugging.

unique scaffold Sep 24, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Chieftain vs Tiger 2....

📎 Screenshot_20190924-135252_Armor_Inspector.jpg

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I can confirm that it looks about the same shooting pramo

quick lichen Sep 24, 2019, 6:02 PM

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@distant river agreed. Buffs were overkill

distant river Sep 24, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Cheiftain isnt known for its amazing pen but it sure aint known for its bad pen either. Good luck to anyone who say "just shoot the cupola its an easy pen"

unique scaffold Sep 24, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Meanwhile the cupola on the Chieftain is getting lol penned from across the map.

drowsy plaza Sep 24, 2019, 6:36 PM

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@stoic pebble oh I agree the LFP buff is a tad silly - but I don’t think it makes it OP. It is slow, not KV-4/VK 100 slow, but for a non super Heavy it isn’t a speed demon.

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@unique scaffold a slew of tanks need some cupola work. The T95/Chieftain isn’t alone - but it may be a poster child. Sure it’s workable until you get a red who can aim.

orchid grove Sep 24, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Tiger II is actually reasonably mobile; that 40km/h speed limit is no joke once the thing gets rolling (close enough)

drowsy plaza Sep 24, 2019, 6:38 PM

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38km/h

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🤫

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I know I was just being a nit picker

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It just seems slow - perhaps due to traverse.

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I have not played it since the buff - and frankly don’t care too - I would have rather seen the Löwe and a few other premiums nerfed rather than lower creep others.

desert stump Sep 24, 2019, 6:44 PM

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cannot nerf premiums unless change them to collectible

unique scaffold Sep 24, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Weird something called smasher begs to differ

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@desert stump false. Any tank can be nerfed at any time.

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Read the EULA

desert stump Sep 24, 2019, 6:54 PM

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change premium to collectible and nerf it. @unique scaffold. Trouble understanding ?

unique scaffold Sep 24, 2019, 7:00 PM

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@desert stump. Yes. You appear to have trouble understanding. Any tank, premium, collectible, or tech tree can be nerfed according to the terms of the EULA.

noble siren Sep 24, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Nerf the lower plate and that's it it's not that hard. It would be great if they make its lfp armor effective as much as the Löwe's one so people can't complain about it. I think that that's a good solution for this problem, it will be still strong and that hard to pen.
@desert stump premiums can get nerfed just like the chieftain tier 10

desert stump Sep 24, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I see.

drowsy plaza Sep 24, 2019, 7:10 PM

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The fact WG is reluctant to nerf Premiums doesn’t mean they can’t.

noble siren Sep 24, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Is it just me or the french destroyers are now harder to pen from before? Really what do you think, because the destroyers used to be paper (for me at least) and I always penned them without any problem.

coarse harness Sep 24, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Like what french french destroyers ?

noble siren Sep 24, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Yeah the ones from tier 7 to tier 9 did they got something like secret buff or I'm wrong. Now they are harder to be penned in the front by my type 59, if want to say something to me just tag me.

iron hearth Sep 24, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Tiger 2 hull from the prospective of the is3 👌 , people who say the armor needs a nerf look like this 👉 🤡 , without calibrated btw

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nimble zodiac Sep 24, 2019, 8:44 PM

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The mere fact you show a tiger that isn’t angled is a void argument, once that tank turns a little then you’re gonna have to gamble on that cupola

twilit crystal Sep 24, 2019, 8:48 PM

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The upper hull wasnt buffed enough

distant river Sep 24, 2019, 8:58 PM

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@iron hearth So you are comparing a tank with a high pen gun to an unangled tank from above... 🤦

iron hearth Sep 24, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Angled version, idk you guys but to me doesnt seem op @distant river of course im comparing it with a good pen gun ,223 mm pen gun is pretty standard at tier 8 for heavy tanks , its a heavy tank it should not be easy for mediums to pen him frontally

📎 Screenshot_20190924-230526.jpg

distant river Sep 24, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Most meds cannot pen it frontally at all, even with prammo. Heavies still struggle a lot, and a wiggling tiger will bounce most things from anyone. Also you are still showing the view of a tank that is higher than the tiger, which the IS3 clearly isnt. This picture is much closer to the actual heigh and you can see the only place you can pen is the turret cheeks (hard target, especially with IS3s accuracy) or the drive wheel (which still runs the risk of doing 0 dmg)

📎 Screenshot_20190924-221532.png

iron hearth Sep 24, 2019, 9:22 PM

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First from this prospective the is3 is smaller than a dog how can i take seriously this image, second when you hit the drive wheel especially at this angle is a 100% pen with damage, no way you will do 0 damage.

quick lichen Sep 24, 2019, 9:23 PM

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@iron hearth how on earth are you on flat ground in an is3 and looking down on a tiger 2?

coarse harness Sep 24, 2019, 9:25 PM

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If you actually play the game you can see the difference

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twilit crystal Sep 24, 2019, 9:41 PM

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lol u shouldnt be bouncing a sideways tiger. If it overangles most tanks should still pen

noble siren Sep 24, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Ah .... here we go again.

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We all understood what you said @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Sep 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

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@unique scaffold English only please

round briar Sep 24, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Tiger2 is too strong that 100P cant do anything in 1 vs 1

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iron hearth Sep 24, 2019, 11:58 PM

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What kind of proof is this 🤦

rigid wigeon Sep 25, 2019, 12:16 AM

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1v1s are more or less luck and player skill. Your screen shot proves nothing.

unique scaffold Sep 25, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Oh let’s not forget the 100 P has one of the first and easiest icons earned...

twin egret Sep 25, 2019, 12:54 AM

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tfw the Tiger II still has track weakspot

karmic steeple Sep 25, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Lol just played against tiger II in my t44 and easily penned top cupola with ap idk what y’all are complaint about lol
Is spammers just mad that something else is good

nimble zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Well the cupola is hard to hit generally, especially if the tiger is wiggling and whatnot trying to get you to bounce it

formal vale Sep 25, 2019, 3:20 AM

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I got a plethora of screenshots from an IS-3 perspective, but, since this server has slow mode, I will be putting them in #screenshots

icy vessel Sep 25, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Gold purchase and bundles menu won’t open

flat bane Sep 25, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Nice

rigid wigeon Sep 25, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Can every just stop crying about the tiger 2 being “op”, please? Sure, the buffs were a bit over done but it was an awful, power creeped tank before them. It’s finally usable now. It’s probably going to get nerfed a bit in the next couple updates. Until then, please just shut up.

flat bane Sep 25, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Last update: nerf Foch 155 auto loader
This update: nerf tiger ll XDX

thick rover Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 AM

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We are entitled to free discussion about the tanks so don't tell us to shut up, there is no logic in saying that we can finally complain about it after it get "nerfed"

regal arrow Sep 25, 2019, 9:33 AM

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Please just rebuff the turreted Britain TD lines that you all screw up everybody game play and income

ruby oriole Sep 25, 2019, 9:56 AM

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And give the charioteer 4k dpm with HESH again? How about no.

thick rover Sep 25, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Do you think the Challenger needs a buff?

coarse harness Sep 25, 2019, 10:54 AM

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It could use a bit more DPM imo
Or aim time because it is crap without the consumable

distant river Sep 25, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Charioteer is fine how it is now, conway is still great and 4005 is also great. I didnt play the challenger to know enough about it but I would say it needs a buff

unique scaffold Sep 25, 2019, 12:53 PM

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The american meds always get slaughtered first, most of them anyway.

crimson cosmos Sep 25, 2019, 1:15 PM

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I was doing some comparison shopping and I noticed that the T32 (one of my favorite tanks) has the absolute worst gun dispersion of all the 100-107mm Tier VIII heavy tanks. There are only a couple of those that have worse gun handling stats.

Bad, and that’s being generous, pen and a weak hull I can live with. But combined with even worse accuracy than a Soviet 107mm? It even has one of the highest repair cost coefficients in Tier. Something needs to be done!

Power creep happens. I get it. But that gun is becoming just too much of a handicap in the world of IS spam and German super heavies.

I’d also mention the poor Brit heavies and their sad little pea shooters, but one thing at a time.

full token Sep 25, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Brit heavies do well enough even with the low alpha. The dpm made up for it

rustic eagle Sep 25, 2019, 1:32 PM

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The churchills and the BP are good but the caernarvon is still a bit meh in my opinion

livid cradle Sep 25, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Hm why deleting my bmw

quick lichen Sep 25, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Well

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It was a lambo

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And it has nothing to do with tank balance as it is a car and not a tank

unique scaffold Sep 25, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Idk who said the t26e4 is a good tank, it's slow, gun depression serves no purpose bc everyone can still pen the upper and lower plates, the whole upper part of the turret above the mantlet is exposed, the turret cheeks are too big, gun sucks, basic penetration and damage, the armor serves no real purpose as the weak spots are too big. Here are some suggestions, give it the extra plate of spaced armor from the pc. From there, better reload, turret traverse, speed, aim time, despersion, or more damage, pick one wg, this tank sucks, completely uncompetitive, look at the win rates for this thing. Put something on top of the turret, the weak spots are way too obvious. This tank fell behind when you buffed all the t8s.

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Yes make a 90mm tank have higher alpha than the other 90mms

distant river Sep 25, 2019, 2:22 PM

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The tank is perfectly fine how it, as i have explained to you before. It needs no buff and it is still above most of the rech tree tanks as well as having a great credit coefficient. @unique scaffold

@distant river * laughs in black dog *

fathom basin Sep 25, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I want WG nerf Foch 155 Mobility, rear, and side Armor

unique scaffold Sep 25, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Personally I'd like the lower plate on the Super Pershing to be a bit stronger and I'd like the tank to have better gun handling.

winter sluice Sep 25, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Plz buff IS-7
give it:

60km/h , 450mm on front, 340mm on side, 550 alpha dmg on AP and 450 APCR, also make rear 100mm
😂 👌

mellow cape Sep 25, 2019, 2:56 PM

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lets just buff all russian tier 10 tanks too, only IS-7 would be disrespecting the motherland and other tier 10 russian tanks @winter sluice

formal vale Sep 25, 2019, 3:09 PM

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@unique scaffold I honestly agree. Maybe not about the lower plate, but the gun is just so bad on the Super Pershing. The dispersion and aim time are just so bad. Its honestly the only reason I dont play the tank anymore.

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versed night Sep 25, 2019, 5:24 PM

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do something to tier 5 swede its horrible bad

formal vale Sep 25, 2019, 5:25 PM

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No u

Seriously though, it's a great tank. Idk what you're on about.
Good pen, good speed, really good gun depression, mediocre accuracy and aim time
Not bad, not too good.

@versed night

formal vale Sep 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Also, I'm going to just copy paste what I said in #623485524103004160:

From what I can tell from my testing, the Tiger II's turret is better than the Lowe's when you're fighting tier 8s. The Lowe just has permanently weak cheeks guarded by a massive gun mantlet that covers most (but not all) of the turret front. The Tiger II's cheeks are kinda hit or miss depending on the tank it's fighting. The IS-3 can pen its cheeks like 25% of the time if the turret is straight on, but 100% of the time if the turret is angled.

I also got to test some other tanks yesterday (ie T34, M4190, T-54 Ltwt, and Lowe). You cannot HEP the side of the Tiger II anymore (maybe with Cali shells but it was really yellow without them), but the Lowe can be HEP'd.

The T34 goes through the front of the Tiger II like butter. It's even more reliable now since they reduced the penetration range from +/-25% to +/-5%.

Edit: The T-54 Ltwt is what you'd expect, you can't pen anything frontally except the cupola.

It's also important to keep in mind that the Lowe has slightly better gun depression, so it can go hull down with more flexibility than the Tiger II will.

Overall, like I was saying beforehand, I would just reduce the lower plate armor and the side armor. You guys were saying the side armor doesnt matter with regards to angling, so why would it need to be buffed? I'd rather have both or neither German heavies be able to get HEP'd from the side.

I'd also buff the upper plate (and maybe the turret front) again in order to prevent tanks like the T34 (my favorite tier 8 heavy btw) from just penning its upper plate.

Oddly enough, in it's current state, you can just drive straight towards an IS3 and he'll only be able to pen your cupola and maybe your machine gun port. No real need to angle since he'll pen you with prammo regardless of if you angle if he's firing it.

Overall, the Tiger II isn't OP, it's just really strong and it could use some tuning to make it have a more defined playstyle.

noble siren Sep 25, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Make the Tiger ll's lfp as effective as the Löwe's one so people can't complain it's OP and that's all. The sides are good considering that when you overangle you are penned easy in the tracks.

karmic steeple Sep 25, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Who is HEing German heavies that’s like the last thing that comes to mind when fighting them. The side armor is still easily pennable why is this an issue

formal vale Sep 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Bruh, smart players who know how to use their German light tanks...

Actually, any smart player who knows when to change ammo types. You'd be surprised what you can pen with HE if you just give it a quick look.

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HEP is equivalent to cheap HESH, which is the reason why I carry 12 rounds of it in my M4190.

Before the patch, you could HE pen the side and rear of any German heavy tank, the rear of most Russian heavy tanks, and many more.

Its not a major issue, but it's kinda weird, to me at least, that they'd give the Tiger II protection against it and not the Lowe.

Edit: Keep in mind that this is not exclusive to the M4190. The Ru 251 also has HEP. Plus the ISU-152 and other 150mm guns (probably not the rhm without calishells) were able to pen the sides of these German heavies. Hell, I've penned the side of a Tiger II with my SU-152's HE before lol

empty ice Sep 25, 2019, 9:25 PM

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@versed night the tier 5 was actually fun to play

flat bane Sep 25, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Remove all shell types from the game

formal vale Sep 25, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Me and Ragnarok_Stravius [KG77] (LATAM) did some testing. Let me know if you guys want to see the results. If it gets to be too hard to upload each screenshot, I'll create a table in Excel and just give the files to whoever wants them in the DMs.

torpid furnace Sep 26, 2019, 12:18 AM

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nerf the ST I

It's so OP

twin ermine Sep 26, 2019, 12:21 AM

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How so? goes down like any tank I've ever fought.

karmic steeple Sep 26, 2019, 1:24 AM

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St-I is fine

runic beacon Sep 26, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Generally if they haven't been touched for several patches they're perfectly fine

misty quest Sep 26, 2019, 3:01 AM

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hey devs i have a important personal question, Can we have a reduced xp value for the OBJ 286 bec its 340k xp wich is 100k over an IS-4 wich is better in my option

icy vessel Sep 26, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Gold purchase screen is still broken.

It’s been 4 days.
I want to purchase the type 64.
Ima be slightly annoyed if it doesn’t get fixed.

clever void Sep 26, 2019, 3:38 AM

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@icy vessel the game is simply trying to keep you from wasting ur money 😉

turbid nacelle Sep 26, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Buff the T32 gun....

drifting depot Sep 26, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Big nono bud, just learn how to hull down and it'll be broken as hell 👌, of course the gun isn't the best but when you hull down it doesn't matter, if you didn't pen someone he won't pen you either....... well never do this against 152 communism launchers, they can still splash you to death

drifting depot Sep 26, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Aaaaaand I still want the kv3 to get a buff 😔

orchid niche Sep 26, 2019, 7:17 AM

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i think, FV4202's turret needs to get buff to compete with STB-1. conqueror should've 10 degrees of gun depression rather than 7. i think AMX 13 75 should have 1,5 sec reload for the next shell and AMX 13 90, BC 25 t AP, BC 25 t, and 50B should have 2.5 secs, and last but not the least, put 183mm gun on FV4005, because i think this tank is very weak without 183mm, besides its not historicaly accurate for the historical tank, besides the tank is already very weak and putting an autoloader is making the tank more weak in my opinion. imagine you missing 2 shells and only manage to pen 1 shell and then you have to reload for 18 secs. 183mm in this game is not that powerful unlike on PC and we cant meet 2 tier lowerer than us.

coarse harness Sep 26, 2019, 7:24 AM

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The FV4005 is not weak at all

rustic eagle Sep 26, 2019, 7:36 AM

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The kv3 is definitely fine as it is. Dont see whats wrong with it. Maybe a little bit of aim time would be nice but it doesnt need it.

deft owl Sep 26, 2019, 7:48 AM

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@formal vale Why the heck you want side armor nerfed? Just because you cant hep it anymore?

distant river Sep 26, 2019, 8:04 AM

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@orchid niche Do you have any idea about balence in the slightest? All of the tanks you have just asked for a pretty major buff to are good to great tanks that definitely dont need a buff.

iron lynx Sep 26, 2019, 8:05 AM

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FV4005 is weak without 183mm lmao
Do you have any idea how strong it is in the tier 10 meta rn? @orchid niche

fiery flame Sep 26, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Reading some of these suggestions makes me lose hope in the community

magic fern Sep 26, 2019, 9:47 AM

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FV4005 is not bad with autoloader because you make 1380dmg in 3 shells (avg 460 per shoot) and even if you miss 1 shoot you still have 2 shells not like 183mm you shoot 1 time and reload ages. Ok 183mm is fun but when you shoot from this gun, everyone else hate it, honestly I dont want to see x4 183mm in one team (if this is even possibile). Another thing what is cool in autoloder (in my opinion) you can kill 3 enemy on low HP.

magic fern Sep 26, 2019, 10:05 AM

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I don't want to see 183 on FV4005

distant river Sep 26, 2019, 10:16 AM

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The autoloader makes it much more flexible and agressive, you dont have to worry about your huge reload constantly because you can trade and keep 2 shots if necessary. With a 183 it would just become another tank that encourages camping which noone wants.

You would be able to get 3x 183 in a team if it was changed, and 4x if the queue was very short like it is in realistic. @magic fern

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 10:38 AM

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I don't want to see the 183 on one tank, let alone two tanks

finite jetty Sep 26, 2019, 11:21 AM

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What about the 183 mm or the autoreloader as a 2. Cannon for the FV4005?

distant river Sep 26, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Hell no, you give noobs who cant play anything that requires skill the chance and you will get 3 183s per game.

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 12:01 PM

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183 is the worst tank in tier X, first of all u are slow paper basket, secondly your camo sucks and third, when u hit that tangent from that inaccurate and unreliable cannon, everyone sees you and if enemy has decent med drivers u are most likely done since they either hunt u down because your camping way too far from friendlies or they just keep u in lights and u can't do nothing because everyone just waits u to pop up and show the huge planet sized turret where they can slam some faith for u to wake up and start believing 🤓
Although it is nice vehicle if u have great spotters in your team, u just have to work lil more to hit and penetrate 🤔

ruby oriole Sep 26, 2019, 12:20 PM

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The 183 is hated by its players and the people facing it. Practically no one wants it to to exist because its just too hard to balance

obtuse tulip Sep 26, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Good morning .

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 12:27 PM

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I don't mind facing 183, u just have to bear that in mind that it's lurking there. But if u have really, like really good player in 183 that thing turns from easy farmtarget to nasty son of a #$€£¥ 😂
It is really difficult tank to do well in, although cans like it cuz they get 2k dmg with 2 shots and they think they did well

drowsy plaza Sep 26, 2019, 12:28 PM

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183 doesn’t fit Blitz. Let’s move on.

obtuse tulip Sep 26, 2019, 12:34 PM

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I got a problem need help and answers please .My tank AMX ELC BIS V tier is moving and turning like a destroyer turretless , whole thing is turning even the gun ,why is this happening , there is a BUG and RIGED or something any of you guys getting this .please help I donot know what is going on .

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 12:37 PM

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Is that a command to stop talking about a tank that exists in blitz @drowsy plaza?

fiery flame Sep 26, 2019, 12:38 PM

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183 need to be there how else do you troll unicums in tier X 😉

coarse harness Sep 26, 2019, 12:57 PM

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Unicums should deal with it easily

quick lichen Sep 26, 2019, 1:20 PM

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@fiery flame with afks, yoloing, people being stock/ 50% crews, he only etc

cedar wave Sep 26, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Hello everyone 👋😀.

twilit crystal Sep 26, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Yeah lol I haven't really been hit by a 183 except at end game trying to farm dmg

drowsy plaza Sep 26, 2019, 2:12 PM

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@unique scaffold not a commandment, but let’s just acknowledge the fact that it doesn’t fit. The maps are too small, less tanks/side and shorter time frames. The alpha damage (and HESH Pen) doesn’t work well in Blitz. The recent nerf’s have destroyed it, and there doesn’t seem to be any variable way to balance it - without cutting the alpha and pen.

acoustic shard Sep 26, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Can we get a Tankinstien armor buff, a 25mm increase to ap and special ap, and 5mm increase to the HE. Also a relead time buff from 17.1 to 14.5 Somthing like a tiger p manuverbility buff as well as a turret treverse buff. that would make the tank Great for the first time.

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 2:54 PM

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@drowsy plaza🤔 I think you're right

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 3:10 PM

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@deft owl to answer your question about why I want the side armor nerfed. Its mainly 2 reasons:

The Lowe is made more vulnerable by comparison, which is poor balancing imo.
I can't HEP Tigers anymore outside of being on their rear, which isn't inherently bad, but the above statement kinda plays into that.

Edit: It's not really that big of a deal since you can still HEP Tigers from the rear, it's just that using HEP was so fun, especially against Tigers.

noble siren Sep 26, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Nerf the lower plate on the Tigerll to has the same effective armor as the Lowe and the problem is solved

twilit crystal Sep 26, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Uh cancelling the easy HEP on the tigers was fine. Such a huge side profile while Russian is3s could never even get hashed

orchid grove Sep 26, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I'm for any change that means less people trying to pen HE shells. #DeathToHEPens

indigo knot Sep 26, 2019, 6:01 PM

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@formal vale you have been so concerned about a premium tank not being outshined by its tech tree counterpart(which in its own right is quite strong tier 8)....while there are so many prems dominating the tech tree tanks.....what is a wrong with a tech tree tank being better than its premium counterpart.....

You talk about Löwe having less side armour just becoz it can't be HEPed while it has so many redeeming features soft stats, traverse, terrain resistances, big tracks, the turret is better coz of that big mantlet, better gun depression, accuracy both on move and when still, bloom is better, penetration is better, DPM is better...
And all you have been saying is that Tiger2 is now better armour on side and front (yes lower plate is over done but upper plate is easy pen if someone switches to prem which many do switch to)...only thing better on Tiger 2 are armour(unless you switch to premium rounds or you are Russian med) Power to wt ratio and top speed(Tiger has 38kph while Löwe has 35kph)....what more do you want in Löwe now....or how would you balance the Tiger2 against Löwe...

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@indigo knot
1.) So just because other premium tanks are dominating the meta, other premium tanks need to suffer? How about we just balance tanks no matter their premium/tech tree status. If you've been here for a while, you'd know I'm 100% towards WG nerfing OP premiums.

2.) Heaven forbid I want to balance tanks according to their role in the game. The Löwe and Tiger II have very similar playstyles in the game, and if one can execute that role better than the other, there's an issue.

Having a better gun doesnt make up for the better mobility and armor that the Tiger II has. If you have any sort of game sense, you'll know that mobility trumps any and all features in this game where armor is a close second. The gun on a tank is only as good as the position you can place it in.
I've stated how I would change the Tiger II. I would buff the upper plate and turret armor and reduce the side armor and lower plate armor. That's it. It would make the tank more comparable to the Löwe and thus more balanced. If the Lowe is already balanced, why can't the Tiger be the same?

Edit: 5.) I've tested the armor profile on the Tiger II with a plethora of tanks. It can be penned by anything with premium pen outside of russian meds and other light tanks. I'd like to see it near impenetrable with premium outside of the lower plate and cupola. It would make the tank more brutal against IS-tanks and a bully against mediums. The issue would be that you have to hide your lower plate and be careful of your side armor. That's exactly what you have to do in the Lowe, so I dont see the issue here.

indigo knot Sep 26, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Ohh well it doesn't look to me Löwe is suffering much against Tiger 2(It will all depend who is driving it) ....and premiums need to be a little worse the tech tree counterparts not the other way around...No one would want another Amxm449 or M6exp game style tank which doesn't fit with the game style of the tanks ahead of the line.....whats wrong with 100mm side armour when E75s got 120mm and some Russian heavies have 90mm to 120mm of side armour which is well angled unlike flat german sides

noble siren Sep 26, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Why everybody are ingnoring me. I offered to make the lfp as effective as the Löwe's one. And it will be BALANCED. The Löwe will have better gun and turret, Tiger ll will have better sides and 2-3 km better speed. Is it so hard. @formal vale keeps saying the same thing over and over again like he wants to make the Löwe better than the Tiger ll again.

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Making tiger 2 faster isn’t a good thing if anything if it’s gonna have more armor it’s power per ton has to be worse

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 7:04 PM

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@indigo knot the idea of making premium tanks slightly worse than standard tanks came from a time when Blitz had +/-2 MM and preferential matchmaking existed. That meant that tanks with preferential matchmaking needed to be roughly tier 7.5 rather than fully tier 8 tanks as they would only be facing tier 9 tanks. Now, since Blitz has +/-1 MM, the idea of making premiums less powerful than standard tanks has clearly been done away with at WG HQ, and it should be done away with by the playerbase. There is no logical reason to make premiums worse (or better) than standard tanks. If you think that premiums making more credits is reason enough to make them underpowered, you have a warped view of what balancing is.

@noble siren the Löwe does not have a better turret. The cheeks on the Löwe are pennable 100% of the time by equal tier heavies if you're facing them head on. The gun mantlet doesnt cover the entirety of the front, so you have maus-like cheeks with a bigger gun mantlet.

Also, the reason I keep saying the same thing over and over is because some people seemingly fail to comprehend what balance is. It's not making tanks worse based on whether they're available for money or for free. It's based on what their performance is in game and how people will beat the tank.

iron hearth Sep 26, 2019, 7:33 PM

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this is the reason why the tiger 2 needed a buff, stop complaining

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wide flume Sep 26, 2019, 7:34 PM

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@formal vale You are the only one complaining about the Tiger 2 being better than Lowe and a couple of other people complaining about the armor buff overall, while the other thousands of players in the server aren’t. Your persistence is admirable but you haven’t played the tank yourself since July 2016 with only 220 games in it. While in the Lowe you have over 700+ battles. The Lowe is a credit maker and the Tiger 2 isn’t. The upper plate is fine same as the side armor, except the lower front plate. The Lowe should be a bit worse because of its premium status. Besides, you obviously will and only drive the Lowe anyways. People who don’t have the money to buy a premium should have a tech tree tank that is better.

noble siren Sep 26, 2019, 7:35 PM

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@iron hearth this doesn't mean anything.

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@iron hearth Did I say it didn't need a buff? No, your point it mute.

@wide flume Well thank you for complimenting me on my persistance lol. I still disagree that premium tanks should be weaker than their tech tree counterparts, however. I prefer to have tanks be balanced overall for gameplay purposes in matches, not for the garage. Credit making is irrelevant to how a tank should be with regards to its statistics. WG seems to agree with me on this one. The only part where me and WG differ is that I think premiums should also be able to be nerfed in order to make the game more balanced. Every tank gets equal treatment regardless of their garage status. I also played the Tiger back when it was horrendously underpowered under +/-2 MM, so if anyone knows it needed a buff, it would be me. I just don't like seeing certain tanks, especially ones that were hard to play in the first place, becoming much easier to play than before.

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Black prince is stupidly overpowered

finite jetty Sep 26, 2019, 8:09 PM

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@unique scaffold how? He is slow,lost a lot of his guns after updates , has the same armor as the Churchill 7 and has tracks that get shot very often . Where is he OP ?

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Just taking a look at these two again

Edit: The Lowe's will come in 10 minutes due to Slow Mode

Edit II: @unique scaffold I can do both PC and mobile, but I can't be bothered to download the screenshot to my phone and then post it again.

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unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 8:52 PM

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@formal vale just edit more unless your on mobile

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 9:01 PM

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And here's the Lowe's armor. As you can see, the turret ring and cheeks are extremely green. The lower plate and mid plate are much weaker as well.

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latent snow Sep 26, 2019, 9:08 PM

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They are different tanks ! They have their strengths and weaknesses !

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 9:15 PM

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They are also very similar. My opinion on this is stated above.

nimble zodiac Sep 26, 2019, 9:25 PM

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The Lowe is still a capable tank, and the gun definitely outperforms the Tiger II’s, at least let the Tiger frontline and you can still rely on sniping because the gun is very good at such, also making 50k per game is definitely worth the little inconvenience

distant river Sep 26, 2019, 9:32 PM

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@nimble zodiac What do you mean "definitely outperforms"? 9mm more pen and 0.4 sec better reload is nothing compared to the difference in armour and speed.

round sundial Sep 26, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Are we gonna forget about the fact that it still has better upper plate and turret, more gun depression and much better traverse?

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 9:40 PM

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@nimble zodiac I agree, I just think the Tiger II is a bit overcooked and should be made to the standard of the Lowe

@round sundial you mean 1 degree of gun depression more, worse power to weight, an actual lower plate weakspot, and an equivalent (not even close to being better) turret?

noble siren Sep 26, 2019, 10:10 PM

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The cringe is real. Having 20mm on less of ur sides is not that big of a deal. There is no reason to remove it. Say "B R U H" if you are Löwe player who is angry that can't dominate tier 8 with his OP premium tank anymore.

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 10:11 PM

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So why would it matter if they removed it?

From your POV, is shouldn't matter if I say it needs to be removed or not

distant river Sep 26, 2019, 10:12 PM

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@round sundial Lowe does not have a better turret, 3° isnt "much better" traverse. The lowes weakest frontal point people shoot at is 180 while the tigers is 240. I might as well be complaining about the "much worse" camo rating of the lowe 🤦

@noble siren As said, if "having 20mm less of ur sides is not that big of a deal" then there is no reason for it to stay. According to your logic it won't change anything so it is useless and can be removed.

karmic steeple Sep 26, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I agree with what positive said earlier.......

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Once again I have to tell you guys that I don't care about "keeping my precious OP premiums" because I don't have any (other than maybe the Chieftain?). I've said this time and time and time and time again to people like you that I would rather see WG nerf premium tanks in the name of balancing. Tanks like the WZ-120-G-FT? Please oh please nerf it. IDC if people paid a pretty penny for it, just nerf the everliving daylights out of that tank. I've spent a good amount of money on this game, but you don't see me whining about premium tanks getting nerfed. You'll only see me complaining about something being imbalanced, like I am now. The Lowe is a standard, and the Tiger surpasses that standard. @noble siren

Edit:
says 20mm of armor isn't a big deal
complains that someone wants the 20mm of armor reverted
reeeeee

noble siren Sep 26, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I offered an solution but you keep whining about the 20mm+ sides making the whole tank OP. So basically you want the Tiger ll to have its 120mm lfp back sides nerfed to 80mm, am I right? Yes the sides help a little bit to bounce from people eho can't aim but doesn't change the fact that the half of ur sides will be penned due to the ove angling. That's why I said that they are not that big of a deal. @indigo knot exactly, that guy can't stop crying about how the Tiger ll became better than the Löwe in some aspects.

deft owl Sep 26, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@formal vale I like the way people wants nerf for wz-120-1g ft but completely forgets helsing and dracula.

indigo knot Sep 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

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I really like how players whine when a tech tree tank suddenly becomes better than the premium in some aspects and when it was trash and underpowered compared to its counterpart no one cared to even talk about how the premium was better and what should be done to the tech tree tank

icy vessel Sep 26, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Day Four, there is three days until they take the type 64 off of the store and I still cannot purchase gold. The menu’s are still broken.

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 10:35 PM

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@indigo knot Everyone knew the Lowe was better than the Tiger II. Everyone knew it needed a buff. But, heaven forbid people complain when WG buffs it too much.

distant river Sep 26, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@indigo knot People were complaining about the tiger for ages, it had just been so long people had accepted it because its tier 8 which is already pretty ruined. You can see that people on here very rarely ask for a WZ120FT nerf, but does that mean people dont want it? Now tier 8 has become even worse. People should not be discussing what should be buffed on the tech tree tank, they should be discussing what should be nerfed on the prem. If a tank is unbalanced then it should be made balenced, and the tiger is currently unbalanced.

indigo knot Sep 26, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Lets be real.... everyone knows premiums won't be nerfed(collectors are not even being touched and you expect WG to nerf prems) so the solution left is to buff the tech tree tanks and this is the case of Helsing and Dracula they were never nerfed but the tanks around them got buffed to powercreep them and you can see that they are not strong now as they once were....

tawny sail Sep 26, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Collectors have the ability to be nerfed, but it’s a sort of last resort kind of nerf

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 10:48 PM

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WG came pretty close to nerfing premiums when 5.3 came around. People were outraged at the thought of WG nerfing the Ke-Ni-Otsu, which they were going to go through with until people were crying "but then other premiums are next". We were so close yet so far. I still hold out that WG may end up doing something with premiums, but, with the way they're selling premiums now, it's not likely that it's going to happen.

Nevertheless, that doesn't mean WG should buff tanks above the average just to get back at the other OP tanks. They need to buff/nerf according to what is balanced.

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Oh boy people still crying over this? As much as Lowe and tiger 2 went the buffs on tiger 2 were ok but the plate needs a slight nerf as for löwe a tank that requires skill to use and you can’t just buy and expect to do good in it like every other premium tank at T8 while Tiger 2 now says other wise

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I do miss spamming HE at tiger 2 sides. That being said the only part of the buff that I really think was overkill was the lower plate.

nimble zodiac Sep 26, 2019, 11:17 PM

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@distant river but the mere accuracy of the Lowe is definitely something that stands from the tiger II, in my incorrect definition of 'outperform' I just mean the gun does better in I think every way

unique scaffold Sep 26, 2019, 11:25 PM

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i feel like tiger 2 deserved the buff

nimble zodiac Sep 26, 2019, 11:28 PM

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It did, people are just worried they buffed it a little too much, considering it's kinda like an E75 now for tier 8

formal vale Sep 26, 2019, 11:40 PM

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As I've been trying to say, I think they should have buffed the upper plate and turret even more, but they should have left the sides and lower plate alone.

rigid wigeon Sep 27, 2019, 12:21 AM

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You guys are still talking about the tiger 2? yawn

nimble zodiac Sep 27, 2019, 12:23 AM

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I mean nothing is really new, what else is there to talk about?

karmic steeple Sep 27, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Actual ideas about new balance changes

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 12:43 AM

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So the most recent patch isn't new?
What "new" balance changes are there that are "newer" than the recent patch? lol

karmic steeple Sep 27, 2019, 12:44 AM

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The next update. Let’s move on

nimble zodiac Sep 27, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I mean we've already talked about tiger, the new line doesn't seem to stick out other than the gun

iron lynx Sep 27, 2019, 2:36 AM

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And the nonexistent armor

flat bane Sep 27, 2019, 2:43 AM

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This is a discussing channel, if they want to talk to about the Tiger ll then let them. It will occupied everyone's minds. ~~so I can abuse the Foch 155s auto loader 😂 👌~~

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Lol

winged barn Sep 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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@karmic steeple we dont need new changes if old parts are still broken

karmic steeple Sep 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Honestly dude I’m just tired of Christianman here spamming this chat about the tiger II sorry man no offense but chill out

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Not to mention there are no new balance changes at all.

Maybe the VK90? But everyone knows that thing just has VK4502B armor but up tired. It's just not that good outside of certain situations

@karmic steeple I'm just trying to defend my point. Some people can't help but be insulting against something they don't agree with, and I'm trying to respond as clearly as possible to avoid allowing them to repeat it.

karmic steeple Sep 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Ik ik but the last few days the only thing anyone can talk about is the tiger 2 this tiger 2 that when they’re other problems that exist. Honestly maybe they buffed the tiger 2 too much just so ppl would shut up about the foch and premiums for awhile. Maybe I’m wrong ig but I just don’t see the tiger II as the biggest issue in the world rn. Foch is more OP than tiger. And the reason I have pushed back against nerfing the tiger 2 is Bc WG isn’t the best at doing what is needed and no more, as seen with the buff. I could see them nerfing it to worse than it was before just to make sure it isn’t OP 🙄. Maybe that’s a straw man but I wouldnt put it past them. And I honestly dont think that the tiger is that overpowered, so why press to nerf something that isn’t that bad

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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I'm honestly only so defensive because people started to insult me about it. The Tiger obviously isn't the biggest issue here, but it is the most recent.

P.S. WG wont nerf it back to what it was or worse. It was historical tank and anything less than what it was would immediately bring out the "but that's not historical" arguments. Not to mention WG is taking their sweet time to nerf the Foch 155 for some reason. Idk why that's a thing.

dim totem Sep 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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yeah

karmic steeple Sep 27, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I love those historical arguments possibly the worst game ever to try to have realism lmao. You can kill a tank through the captains hatch that’s totally realistic but all hell breaks loose if they give it a slightly different gun for balancing purposes

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Have you seen the challenger 2 that was destroyed by friendly fire? Took a hesh round to the commanders hatch tank completely erupted and sent the turret on the rear engine deck @karmic steeple

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 4:22 AM

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https://images.app.goo.gl/g4QsGrUUQGFN2UxF8

iron lynx Sep 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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VK Challenger B

coarse harness Sep 27, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Wanna talk about something else ?
There is the +2° gun dep buff that the WZ-120 desperately needs/deserves💁🏻‍♂️

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 5:15 AM

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Look bud, if we're gonna talk about history, to begin with the arl44 had an autoloading system AND autoloader systems historically, all they should do is basically decrease the reload time in general and not needing a loader within the crew on some tanks while juuuust a few should have clips like the amx line

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Also, leaving the historical stuff behind, does anyone want to talk about how stalinium is probably the most unbalanced thing in the game?

flat bane Sep 27, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Wz 120 3 degrees of gun depression on it's 120mm is why why

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Oh ye and about the gun depression, remember that inside the turret there's a cannon bridge and if the turret is kinda small or just..... low? Guess you can say it that way "low", the cannon bridge would be limited by said size, this is why a lot of Russian tanks lack gun depression, actually most of them mostly because of those dimensions, and since most high tier Chinese tanks are based on russian ones, it's no surprise some lack gun depression

coarse harness Sep 27, 2019, 6:15 AM

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But 3° is way too low for a low dpm peek-a-boo med
And realism is far from this game
They can freely change the depression until the gun isn't collides with the hull

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 6:23 AM

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T57 heavy needs more gun depression, and the new consumables... it has become obsolete now... what a shame...

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Buddy, just one little fact autoloader with the lowest intra clip reload out of the entire tier 10 autoloaders and 1200 damage capability

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 6:25 AM

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@unique scaffold Why would you ask for a tank to get the stupid new consumables? Its fine how it is, the 4005 just needs 2 sec longer reload.

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 6:35 AM

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The t57 is stale... it needs the new consumables to make it more customizable... I play it every single day... it needs them... it has no armor, boring speed, terrible gun depression for the design, slow traverse speed both hull and turret... and it has pretty bad pen for a tier 10 heavy... go up against an e100 or mau in it... it needs the new consumables... if u don't like the new consumables, don't use them... simple... I want them on all tanks tbh...

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 6:39 AM

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The only think I ask for with regards to the T57 is to fix the gun. Dont get me wrong, it has great aim time and dispersion, but it seems to have that accuracy tuned a little too close to the dirt lol

Edit: idk, probably just me

Edit 2: Also the T57 is really good still.

Edit 3: lmao bad pen? I always use cali shells since it's an autoloader, which allows me to have like 270mm of pen with AP

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Buddy you're getting it a little bit too far, you know the t57 heavy's playstyle is no where near your average heavy right? No surprise it has no armor at all, the pen isn't so different from other heavy tanks or mediums, aaaaand e100 and maus tanks are supposed to be faced with either a high pen td or premium ammo, yeeeee also if we're gonna talk about bad armor, go for the amx 50 b bud, of course you need to show your turret in order to shoot and the gun mantlet wich is extremely small is the only thing that can bounce, aaand sometimes the pike nose on the hull but after that, no sidescrape capability and extremely easy to he, the t57 can only be he'd with big guns on the sides and of course, tracks would take the shots most of the time

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 6:50 AM

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@unique scaffold in what world does the T57 have bad penetration??

258mm is standard for all tier 10 heavies. In fact, many have less penetration than that.
271mm of AP pen with calibrated shells is borderline TD level penetration. And the HEAT goes up to 374mm

Also, saying the T57 Heavy has a bland playstyle is like saying the Smasher is balanced. It just isn't true.

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 6:56 AM

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You guys probably don't even play the t57 and are trying to keep it under powered... cause you're scared of a fair fight... and btw the smasher is an ez kill... all tanks had the same consumables and it was ok... picking favourites is what ruined the game in the first place... anyway I have better things to do than argue with you guys... adding consumables to only a few tanks is one of the dumbest things that has happened in this game along with removing tactical shield and retro camo... you're entitled to your opinion, unfortunately... but I just don't agree... plus if you're so good, would it make a difference for you? Hmmm...

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 7:00 AM

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"YoU GuYs pRoBaBlY DoNt eVeN PlAy tHe T57 HeAvY"

Honestly, how long would it take for you to look us up?
The idea that the T57 is underpowered is just absurd.

Actually yes, it would make a difference for me. I don't like tanks being buffed just because someone can't play it properly.

@drifting depot I mean you have my backup. My stats on the tank are clearly not terrible lol

@unique scaffold I have like 7 tier 10s and spookd seems to have more sense than you do in all this lmao

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drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 7:04 AM

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I mean, so far there's only a single thing you got right and it's that I don't have the t 57 yet but I have faced it several times and it's a formidable opponent with usually 4k damage 90% of the time and look bud, 1 stop reacting "positively" to your own messages, that's pretty greedy if you ask me and 2 you're just becoming one of those guys people would react with the 🤡 emote, so to put it in simple words what we've been trying to say all this time without rough words is that the t57 is borderline op and it's not the tank's problem if your overall skill on it or experience with is bad, is yours so go out there, learn how to use it and basically git gud, there's a reason why I want it to be my 2nd tier 10 tank after ma big big derpy obj268 Oh boi i love my stalinium; ye buddy I only have 1 tier 10 today but I used to have like 6 or 7 back in 2015 but I lost that account aaand ye I have my aspects over here too

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 7:06 AM

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You only have one tier 10 and you think you should weigh in on this... oh my lord... no wonder... and if you like the tank, am I not fighting for US??? You kids just like arguing... even when it makes your experience worse... lmfao

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 7:11 AM

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says "Take care guys"
Proceeds to keep typing

"Even when it makes your experience worse?"
No, it would make the game less enjoyable, so I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. How will buffing the T57 any more make it balanced if it's already at equilibrium?

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 7:14 AM

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When you start a discussion then leave because you dont have any points left to defend yourself 🤦

T57 is perfectly fine how it is. It has troll armour, its not too slow, gun is pretty good and the 2.5 sec intraclip helps a lot. Its a balenced tank how it is and changing anything on it is just asking for trouble.

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 7:16 AM

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It's not a buff... it's consumables... and you would have to remove others to replace them??? It just gives players with different play styles more options to tune the tank to their style... you guys make no sense... it's consumables... not a buff at all... just options... tell you what... pretend I'm still here, and keep wasting your breath... gg

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 7:24 AM

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"Its not a buff its consumables" 🤦

This has to be one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time. The consumables are a direct improvement to an already good tank. It is stupid to try change a balenced tank (see 215b, foch, etc). Without the consumables the pre nerf charioteer would just have been a very good tank. The conway would just be good. The 4005 would just be average. The consumables added useless changes that clearly had a bad effect on balence.

(Also btw reacting to your own message to pretend people agree with you doesnt work)

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 7:36 AM

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So um, 10 minutes have passed and I'm kinda lazy to rethink my message so I'll just repost it, said message got deleted probably because of one of those 2 words but just in case I "censored" the other one, if it's still somehow inapropiate then no problem in deleting it I guess and if it counts as shaming, then this whole t57 discussion counts as shaming too I guess lol, also it's kinda old in this discussion too so try to put it a little bit up there 😔 aaand I think it'll be better to leave this whole t57 thing for today

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formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 7:38 AM

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What they said ^^^

thick rover Sep 27, 2019, 7:42 AM

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Didn't it just get buffed

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Also, ye i think it got buffed recently ^^

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Yep 2 sec of its reload. Its not the best tank but it dpes its job very well

thick rover Sep 27, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Don't think this is the place for it.
He truly does have multiple Tier X tanks tho, what he said was just like "You only have 1 Tier X" to the other guy

Any thoughts on Challenger buff?

drifting depot Sep 27, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Bruh no

full token Sep 27, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Challenger is ok tbh

quick crown Sep 27, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Tier 6-9 tanks in the 183 line are getting more and more outdated and tougher to play than most td lines in blitz

exotic light Sep 27, 2019, 10:56 AM

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Buff tortoise armor it make me cry when playing it i mean cupulla is big enough to be weakpoint

fiery flame Sep 27, 2019, 11:29 AM

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No, you must suffer

exotic light Sep 27, 2019, 11:37 AM

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I suffered enough belive me i lost more than 1m silvers during my journey my wr dropped and other suff cant mention

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When you want to get 183 but god and match making and your noob team and wargaming and your junk tank (tortoise) and almost everyone says NO is that enough suffering?

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dim field Sep 27, 2019, 11:49 AM

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I free xp'd through Tort to skip it. Absolutely hated it.

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 11:54 AM

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That's what you get for grinding the 183. #justice

nimble zodiac Sep 27, 2019, 11:55 AM

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I mean, dem flat armor plates really whack up the armor profile, even if they were the problem, it would be complicated to balance

exotic light Sep 27, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Wg must Buff tortoise armor like they buff tig2 and vk36 armor and maybe they dont want to do it because they dont want players to get the 183 #truth (buff tortoise or make anther line leads to 183) or (link conway to 183 )

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Play a better tank ¯_(ツ)_/¯

dim field Sep 27, 2019, 11:59 AM

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I was just doing itfor collection purposes, still haven't played a single battle in my 183. I went to lights/meds after getting it. Been playing kpz though as of late

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 12:00 PM

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I'm rediscovering the Pershing and the Cent 1.

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Not as bad as I remember

exotic light Sep 27, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Buff tortoise or remake the td line thats leads to 183 or link conway to 183 or do something end the players suffer
stop focusing to add more meds to the game because there is actully now soo many of them (eu tech tree and some premium meds have been added to the game lately) instead of making more tanks focus on balancing the existing ones

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 12:17 PM

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You dont get it do you? If you want to ruin tier 10 with the 183 then you should have to suffer. The 183 line should be as painful as possible to discourage all the noobs who want it as their first tier 10. If it drives away the players then it is a good riddance because we (everyone who plays tier 10 regularly) dont want people who like the 183 at tier 10

ruby oriole Sep 27, 2019, 12:19 PM

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@unique scaffold the cent 1 is super fun. One of the first hull down mediums in the game. The gun and the overall armour and mobility make the tank really nice and flexible

dim field Sep 27, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Alternatively you can make the tanks before the 183 balanced and fun to the point when people do get the 183 they hate in comparison, sell it and go back to playing the tanks before it. Otherwise some people might play the 183 more often because all the trouble and headache they went through to get it.

twilit crystal Sep 27, 2019, 12:24 PM

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I disagree t57 does have a boring playstyle

empty ice Sep 27, 2019, 12:26 PM

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I disagree t57 does not have a boring playstyle

exotic light Sep 27, 2019, 12:27 PM

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The whole point of me getting the fv 183 that i have its legendary camo does replacing legendary camo gives you anther legendary camo?

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 12:50 PM

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If you are grinding a line for a camo that you still have to pay for then you arent the brightest are you? And the legendary camo is only for that tank and it cannot be exchanged or swapped

noble siren Sep 27, 2019, 1:44 PM

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T 57 is pretty good tank but you need a good team mate to stay with, because alone you are pretty much dead.

twilit crystal Sep 27, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I mean it's pretty boring for an autoloader. Plus we now have 6 tier x autoloaders so it's not really unique

dusky root Sep 27, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Hmm? Yes thats true.

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Kv 2 is to nerfed I dont wanna play kv2 beacause of that.

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Good. The nerf is working.

karmic steeple Sep 27, 2019, 2:35 PM

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^^^

soft spindle Sep 27, 2019, 2:35 PM

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^^^^

twilit crystal Sep 27, 2019, 2:44 PM

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It's not too nerfed. The 152 was nerfed. The 107 is sti an option

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 3:13 PM

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If anything i would say buff the 107 to be extremely good for an update and then nerf it again to get more people to play it.

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Tier X Autoloaders:

• Batchat - Only tier 10 light. Speaks for itself.

• Foch 155 - Only tier 10 auto loading TD that doesnt have a turret. Only 155mm autoloader.

• AMX 50B - Fasy heavy that plays more like a medium with exceptional burst damage.

• FV4005 Stage II - Semi-turreted TD with stupid consumables.

• T57 Heavy - Fastest unload speed at tier 10 (not including consumables). Mixes armor, speed, and accuracy.

• Progetto - Not really an autoloader, but it's the only way you could get "6" autoloaders.

unique scaffold Sep 27, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Is7 has an autoloader but I think we all know why that’s fine it doesn’t have the mechanic

rigid wigeon Sep 27, 2019, 3:32 PM

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We need 183 defender

twilit crystal Sep 27, 2019, 3:44 PM

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And the t57 doesnt have enough reliable armor and has awful mobility for an autoloader. Sure traverse is good but only 35 kmh and 12 kmh reverse. And fastest unload hardly is the end thing. And I am including the progetto for now in the autoloader

distant river Sep 27, 2019, 4:31 PM

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T57 has 2.5 intraclip which is very useful, especially when trading against other autoloaders. It also has pretty good dpm as well which always helps. The armour and the speed arent great which is why it isnt a great tank, but it definitely isnt the worst tank out there

formal vale Sep 27, 2019, 5:46 PM

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It simply doesn't need a buff. Whether that comes in the form of consumables or statistics, it just doesn't need anything. If you think the T57 is boring, go play something else and then come back to it. I personally find it really hard to get bored with the T57 as its playstyle is so different from anything else in my garage. Maybe just take a break from the tank and play something else.

flat bane Sep 28, 2019, 2:28 AM

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The 183 line was easy ngl, the tort was lit

thick rover Sep 28, 2019, 2:51 AM

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@exotic light Many people here don't understand what balanced is supposed to be and they want a tank or line to be in a state so as to control it's popularity..

flat bane Sep 28, 2019, 2:51 AM

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:0

true wedge Sep 28, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Tiger 2 buff was overdone to the point tier 7s have a hard time with it if their prammo is only 230mm penetration or under it needs to have its lower front plate nerfed a little so tier 7s and also tier 8s can penetrate it easier

unique scaffold Sep 28, 2019, 8:18 AM

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I believe that this isn't only my opinion, but hey just because i can't complete it, it should be nerfed right? I just feel that 1300 is just too much, there is a mission that requires 1200 exp which is way more balanced (believe it? Only 100 exp makes the difference) you think i didn't try to complete it? Sure if you get the lucky carry game it's easy, but not everyone is a super good player. I'm basing my complaint on facts, on all the missions I've completed, only that one gave me problems, but what about you? Is it a normal mission for you?
4k games + spotting are routine in my stb-1, but nope didn't notice any difference, most of the times I'm able to get 1200-1250 exp but 1300 is just too much.

tawny sail Sep 28, 2019, 8:21 AM

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The mission it’s self is fine. 1300 base xp is high, but not hard to get by any means. The missions are designed to be easy enough to get the first 3 daily crates (because they have okay items), then one mission is thrown in to slow down the player from getting the 4 crate which has some decent rewards if lucky
Exactally, 1250 xp is simple enough to get, so 1300 gives a challenge, to push you as a player to go further

unique scaffold Sep 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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I'd agree if it wasn't the only challenging mission we have, apparently that's the only one that "pushes players to do better", right? Because yes, to get that amount of exp you need to achieve a very good game, it means that not everyone is able to do it. Also apparently you claim that missions were done on purpose to make it harder to get the bigger containers (and btw the container you unlock with 120 keys sucks, the camo certificates are super rare, and even after unlocking a camo you have to pay for it, but 3 epic boosters is just nothing) but as i repeat, no mission is too hard compared to that one. But let's see what others have to say.

slim rivet Sep 28, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Tiger 2 needs an armor buff

latent snow Sep 28, 2019, 2:51 PM

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300 mm lower plate pls

karmic steeple Sep 28, 2019, 3:58 PM

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1000mm lower plate

eager stump Sep 28, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Big brain time:
You can't damage the lower plate if no lower plate exist

twin egret Sep 28, 2019, 5:46 PM

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can't damage tank if no armor exist

distant river Sep 28, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Apparently you can if you shoot the back of the WT, borsig etc...

mental nymph Sep 28, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Dont get me wrong but the Japanese t5-6 needs a buff on speed and traverse in my opinion

fossil copper Sep 28, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Object 268 need armour

upbeat tide Sep 28, 2019, 7:31 PM

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we need obj 279e for tier x crates at $10 for 1%

formal vale Sep 28, 2019, 8:15 PM

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You mean $100 for 0.001% ;)

warped anchor Sep 28, 2019, 8:42 PM

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So whens the chieftain t95s cupola going to be shortened or just removed completely with the t26e5 in the game now,its useless to drive around now.

slim rivet Sep 28, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Guys, I just realized, we need tier 11!

indigo knot Sep 28, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Aren't the tanks with those stupid consumables fv215b Foch155 and T22 tier 11 tanks

rose inlet Sep 28, 2019, 9:35 PM

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As a FV215B player I can confidently say say that I can only partly agree because if you are inexperienced in this tank it is really bad and I mean BAD but if you are a more knowledgeable about the tank it can be angled in such away that it becomes the strongest tank in the game. Now add the consumables and provisions so add 300 hp and a speed boost allows you to move a heavy tank like a medium. So my answer when used right yes Teir 11

unique scaffold Sep 28, 2019, 10:05 PM

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First off tier* and second off the health provisions require you to give up provisions that increase gun performance and speed so no it’s not tier 11

nimble zodiac Sep 28, 2019, 10:07 PM

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I too like lacking the ability to prevent myself from taking 5 shots instead of 1 or 2 because I can’t repair my tracks

indigo knot Sep 28, 2019, 10:46 PM

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You just give up a small food(it gives .1sec less to reload and .009 to dispersion and other stats so not that big of an issue) to get HP similar to E100 and the Engine boost or that reactive armour along with adrenaline (if you want) help a lot in the battles.....there must be a reason why CW meta has shifted from IS4 and 113 to 215b just due to those consumables

mild locust Sep 28, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Ppl from enemy team up and disappear

orchid grove Sep 28, 2019, 11:00 PM

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With the extra HP (basically giving it Maus level HP), the speed boost to quickly close the distance, and the DPM, 215b's will make short work of IS-4s in comp.

iron hearth Sep 29, 2019, 12:06 AM

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I still dont get why the 215b got these new consumables but the mk6 did not

unique scaffold Sep 29, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Mk6 still lacks and imo it needs them

pastel hawk Sep 29, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Since the EU line brought Sweden as a nation, please add the premium Strv 74A2 to the EU tech tree. Would love to be able to use the EU camo.

flat bane Sep 29, 2019, 3:43 AM

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The T4 French TD could use a maneuverability boost. A top speed buff should be decent.

uneven kettle Sep 29, 2019, 3:47 AM

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What they do with Tiger II ? Buffing armor on turret? yes why not. But 260mm on lower plate? wtf? Someone made huge mistake there..

📎 tiger2.jpg

acoustic wren Sep 29, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Again needed an armour buff since the year 2015

uneven kettle Sep 29, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Well i recently dinged E-100 so I know how buttery Tiger 2 was. and still is on classic version. But increasing effective armor from 180mm to 260mm is nonsense. It now have more armor than E75 ..lol its now same number as E100 have.

drifting depot Sep 29, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Since when are the Chinese tds able to use the new consumables, like dude, I've just seen the tier8 wz using reactive armor and oh man it was op, even more than the rest of the new consumable tanks

crystal spoke Sep 29, 2019, 5:44 AM

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They got them in 6.3

drifting depot Sep 29, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Duuuuuuuude, I never even realized till I saw it...... dang it is op, if wg wants the new consumables to become balanced just put em on every tank or just remove them entirely from the game you know

nimble zodiac Sep 29, 2019, 6:09 AM

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They’re planning to spread it over every line so

twilit crystal Sep 29, 2019, 6:17 AM

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anyone who thinks the tiger 2 lower plate is fine, is being hillarious. I even think they didnt buff the upper plate enough, but the lower plate is completely broke.

crystal spoke Sep 29, 2019, 6:22 AM

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What are you talk about? The lfp is perfectly fine....

For the tiger2 driver

nimble zodiac Sep 29, 2019, 6:27 AM

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the mere fact you don't have to even angle the lfp much is ridiculous 😐

rigid wigeon Sep 29, 2019, 7:34 AM

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There’s this great thing called premium ammo. Failing that, maybe just ignore the tiger and go somewhere else. It’s not rocket science.

harsh ravine Sep 29, 2019, 7:42 AM

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it doesn’t matter, having a LFP that doesn’t require that much angling in order to get effective armor is bad

noble siren Sep 29, 2019, 9:07 AM

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So we go again with the Tiger ll right?

thick rover Sep 29, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Yes

formal vale Sep 29, 2019, 5:35 PM

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@unique scaffold as a frequent Mk.6 player, I can 100% confirm that the Chieftain Mk.6 in no way needs the new consumables. You already go 40kph, have a near impenetrable turret (aside from the cupola), an insanely accurate gun, and extremely good dpm. The only thing that the Chieftain could benefit from is better premium pen, but that would kinda push it over the edge imo.

unique scaffold Sep 29, 2019, 5:58 PM

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As a fellow mk6 ace the turret is not impenetrable but it doesn’t need to consumables I would love to have better prem pen because that’s ridiculous

drifting depot Sep 29, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Why is the is5 so easy to pen? So far I sidescrape hide the lower plate even cover the hatch with cannon and use ridges to hull down and I seem to barely bounce anything

clever void Sep 29, 2019, 7:22 PM

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It has been power crept considerably, but even so their are not many tier 8 heavys that are better at tier 8 yet

mellow cape Sep 29, 2019, 8:16 PM

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I would love to see an M6A2E1 EXP buff for the side armor, this tank is already quite good but it faces considerable problems against 150mm guns because of the 44mm side armor (which is an automatic penetration for 150mm guns), so I'd like the sides to be buffed to at least 51mm on the upper part (the lower part near the tracks is fine since it's about 80mm)

nimble zodiac Sep 29, 2019, 8:32 PM

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@drifting depot the upper pike is pennable, and I think they hit the corner

drifting depot Sep 29, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Yup, thats one of the Main reasons, por some reason the pike is even easier to pen than the is3 when is waaaay more pronounced and it's supposed to have more effective armor on the upper pike and less armor on the lower plate, and those corners....... yuck

rose blaze Sep 29, 2019, 11:46 PM

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The is5 is kinda underpreforming

unique scaffold Sep 30, 2019, 12:05 AM

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@mellow cape laughs in 25 t

quick tide Sep 30, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Tier 6-7 european tanks are horrible

drifting depot Sep 30, 2019, 2:05 AM

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They arent.... A 90mm gun on a mobile tank with good upper plate armor and good gun depression is actually annoying as hell

teal olive Sep 30, 2019, 3:07 AM

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The six is rather solid but the seven just sucks

empty copper Sep 30, 2019, 3:45 AM

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I don't know, I'm seeing p.43 ter tearing up games when high tier. Just enough armour to get bounces when angled and enough speed to get in and out of trouble. Haven't gotten up to it for myself yet, so I might think differently when I'm driving it. I do find the bis pretty good, although I have gotten some pretty awful teams when playing it.

flat bane Sep 30, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Remove all tanks from the game smh

@mortal granite Everybody is complaining about "this tank op" or "this tank is trash". So lets do the most logical thing and remove everything XDD

Edit: actually, just delete the whole game lmaoo

mortal granite Sep 30, 2019, 3:55 AM

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XD @flat bane what for?

Seems fair enoughXD although a majority of those complaints come from tier 7s having to go against tier 8s that can just smash their health while being helpless to do anything

fallen flume Sep 30, 2019, 4:12 AM

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When is something going to be done about the tier 5 amx elec bis? It’s just garbage.

mortal granite Sep 30, 2019, 4:17 AM

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@fallen flume back in my day we used to do circles around tanks now we can only do rectangles "AMX ELC BIS"

formal vale Sep 30, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Tbh, just buff tier 7 standard tanks to the point they can actually face tier 8s in some form. Right now tier 7 balancing seems to be more like tier 6.75 where tier 6 can stand up to tier 7 but tier 7 can't stand up to tier 8.

mortal granite Sep 30, 2019, 4:28 AM

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@formal vale yeah but if you buff tier 7 then tier 6 needs a buff because then people would complain about tier 6 not being good enough to go against tier 7 and then tier 5 and then 4 and so on and so on. Tbh I presume the reason WG haven't done anything about it so far is because the situation is highly complicated. Could some outdated tier 7s use a bit of help yes, but a buff the entire thing would cause massive problems. WG have dug so deep that they can't dig themselves out of the situation that they put themselves in.

uncut osprey Sep 30, 2019, 4:33 AM

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I feel every tier needs a reset, but as we all know with the presence of premium tanks in the game which can never be nerfed as fear of the backlash of the true wallet warriors. The game will consistently need buffs to other tanks to keep the “balance” in tact. Therefore they are just fighting a losing battle on the balance end when premium tanks got added.

formal vale Sep 30, 2019, 4:38 AM

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@mortal granite People complaining isn't reason enough for WG to buff/nerf something. They wait for empirical data before they change anything. Besides, like I said, if WG were to buff tier 7 from a presumed tier 6.75 to tier 7, it would theoretically balance everything out. The issue comes with how idealized the situation would have to be, not that people would want other tiers buffed.

If something is underpowered and gets buffed to match everything else, that doesn't mean everything else will get buffed because that would put us back where we started. It doesn't make sense that they would have do that.

uncut osprey Sep 30, 2019, 4:45 AM

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But thats exactly what they will do, they will over buff a prem then the wave of buffs start all over again, its the constant circle of life

mortal granite Sep 30, 2019, 4:49 AM

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@uncut osprey the only premiums that throw a wrench in all of this are the ones after 5.5 not before since all the premium tanks before were just created as ways to make credits and free exp. But nothing is stopping them from making them a collector tank, they did that with a good amount tanks that were premium and it found some success granted they haven't done much with the concept after the initial launch of the idea.

coarse harness Sep 30, 2019, 5:00 AM

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The only problem with T7 is the combination of being constantly bottom tier with ≈160 pen + the IS spam in T8

mortal granite Sep 30, 2019, 5:09 AM

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@coarse harness true even premium pen on some T7s are not that great

flat bane Sep 30, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I agree with @coarse harness. I'm always bottem tier when I play a T7. Plus the IS spam doesn't help. I got a feeling the T7 French TD is gona end me.

white vessel Sep 30, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Blue man

formal vale Sep 30, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Thus why you buff tier 7s overall. This would obviously be excluding tanks that are already really good for the tier like the Dracula, Helsing, Lupus, SU-122-44, etc. Even something as small as penetration would be all they have to change in order to make tier 7s more effective.

Edit: I'm mainly talking about medium tanks and tank destroyers. Tier 7 heavies got an overall buff a while ago and seem to be doing rather well. Tier 7 tds are kinda meh depending on what you play. Tier 7 meds are just plain mediocre overall.

winged barn Sep 30, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Why do you want a prammo buff on the mk6? The prammo has higher alpha than everything else except wz113 I will happily take the extra alpha over the pen

noble siren Sep 30, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Dracula and Helsing are OP for their tier

formal forge Sep 30, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Its an premuim tank so they cant nerf it ¯_ツ_/¯

distant river Sep 30, 2019, 10:22 AM

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@formal forge Incorrect, WG can do what they like to anything

dark pike Sep 30, 2019, 10:27 AM

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they can but they usually won't

opal venture Sep 30, 2019, 12:42 PM

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I think foch it truly balanced

drifting depot Sep 30, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Foch itself is, foch 155's autoloader isn't

coarse harness Sep 30, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Waiting for the 6.2 charts to see it

rose blaze Sep 30, 2019, 2:33 PM

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The I'm not that bothered by foches

meager spruce Sep 30, 2019, 3:00 PM

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@coarse harness if they haven't posted them by now they probably wouldn't ever because they don't want to admit to making foch 155 OP

dusky cedar Sep 30, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Foch is balanced my name isn’t

formal vale Sep 30, 2019, 3:04 PM

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@winged barn
1.) If you take a look at any sort of context around what we were saying, we were talking about how the Chieftain doesn't need a buff.
2.) I was mentioning the only thing about the tank that I would buff, which is the premium pen, which is lacking.
3.) There's a difference between applicable and theoretical DPM. Sure you can have good alpha damage, but if it's not applicable, you might as well have 0 alpha damage.

coarse harness Sep 30, 2019, 3:42 PM

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@meager spruce they released the charts when the Chieftain and Conway was OP as hell, that is my only hope

jade cargoBOT Sep 30, 2019, 4:39 PM

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dynoSuccess _FREE__CH1CKEN_(-TXC-)#4556 has been warned.

primal yacht Sep 30, 2019, 5:15 PM

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I just had an ISU-152 beat my SU-101/122 reload time.

deep seal Sep 30, 2019, 5:18 PM

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he was running the bl9 gun

primal yacht Sep 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Not dealing me 749 damage on his first shot to the front of my SU-101 he wasn’t.

coarse harness Sep 30, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Did he use adrenaline ?

primal yacht Sep 30, 2019, 7:18 PM

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No idea. He’s in Fanes. Those guys seem to be pretty good tankers. It also reminds me that in Bushka’s review of the SU-101 that he thought that it could use a little faster reload with the 122 for balance. I also wished that some of these TD’s built on the same chassis as another tank, like the SU-101 is on a T-44 chassis, had the same HP pool value. The SU-101 wasn’t produced in quantity, but it was found to be a very strong superstructure in testing. In Blitz it can bounce a few, but most of the time it seems quite fragile and rarely survives the battle unless you’re really stand-offish with it. WOTs might say that you can duel with the heavies with it out front if you want to, with it’s 120mm front armor, but I wouldn’t recommend it.

formal vale Sep 30, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Pretty sure the SU-101 uses the T-34 chassis, not the T-44. You're probably thinking of the SU-122-44 that has the T-44 chassis. @primal yacht

primal yacht Sep 30, 2019, 8:47 PM

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It’s snot, according to Wikipedia...it’s the T-44. But of course Wikipedia isn’t always the definitive source. 🙂

coarse harness Sep 30, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Btw yeah, it could use a little DPM buff imo
But nothing else

primal yacht Sep 30, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Something...most people hate it because of the almost non-existent gun depression. And it’s weird, but if you choose the higher-DPM 100mm gun, it doesn’t have as much gun depression as the 122, in fact, maybe none at all. I don’t know if the bigger 122 just hangs more or what? LOL 😂 But there are a lot of people that like the SU-100M1 which also has little gun depression, but hate the SU-101 for some reason?

coarse harness Sep 30, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I loved both of them

primal yacht Sep 30, 2019, 10:10 PM

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So do I. I’m a TD dude. And I like pen better than derp. Lol 🙂

karmic steeple Sep 30, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I like tds but I cant stand the lack of gun depression. It makes shots that should be easy way harder
It wouldn’t be as bad with the gun in the front of the tank but obviously that’s not possible

nimble zodiac Oct 1, 2019, 12:11 AM

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ISU to me >>>>> SU-101, that thing is scary to fight, and very effective to use

thick rover Oct 1, 2019, 2:07 AM

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If you did take a look at the context you would realise someone below you asked for premium round buff
He was also mentioning why the Mk6 ~doesnt need a buff~ , if buffing prammo was even thought of

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rose inlet Oct 1, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Me in my Su-152 hiding from wargaming with that 2800 dpm Whilst using the 152mm

fading salmon Oct 1, 2019, 8:30 AM

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su101 is probably the worst TD in the game (PROBABLY, NO OFFENSE TO SU101 LOVERS)

coarse harness Oct 1, 2019, 9:01 AM

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It has the best mobility among TDs in T8 (even better than the perfectly balanced WZ-120 TD) or maybe in the whole game
With it's troll armor it was the perfect med/light hunter for me
But yeah, you can feel the lack of DPM

craggy osprey Oct 1, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Why does Wargaming continue to sell overpowered vehicles (such as the Wz-120-1G FT and 252u) both high prices but their still being sold quite frequently. With the addition to extremely over power vehicles it dominates the matchmaker. With medium level player performance their 50-60% winrate and better players 60%-70+

indigo knot Oct 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Well it makes them money .....(252u is not OP that much)

Now that you mention it I am hoping to see 252u&T22 in the 6.2 charts....many have got them now in their garage

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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WG is a business (and a greedy one) and so they want to make money. They sold T22 right before twister in crates because they knew they could squeze more money out of teams than they were giving away. They always seem to put money above the health of the game which is why tier 7 and 8 is as bad as it is.

@unique scaffold If you look at their profits they are doing more than just surviving...

The T22 takes a T62A and makes it better in every way pretty much.

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 10:38 AM

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after all it's a f2p game, they need to survive somehow
I don't mind the t-22 that much anyway, it's just the usual russian tank with some better hull armor, i'd say it's the only russian med that has an umpenetrable turret profile when hulldown, i recently ammoracked one with my jageroo, pretty funny.
Ikr man, i'm waiting some tanks to buy too such as vindicator, shinobi and lupus
And that's why they sell it in crates lol

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Ooh the devs have actually shown how OP the foch is, time to wait for the nerf 3 patches too late...

Also surprising the patton is doing so well

(Slowmode) @unique scaffold i thought you were saying how good it was not too long ago 👀🤣

winter sluice Oct 1, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Buff IS-2Sh armor and gravedigger penetration

dark pike Oct 1, 2019, 11:34 AM

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where wz 120 ft and 252u stats

fast ridge Oct 1, 2019, 11:34 AM

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The ammunition cost is too high we can't buy new tanks without using boosters and premium account

earnest ingot Oct 1, 2019, 11:35 AM

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Balance... Where tier 7 at

somber mauve Oct 1, 2019, 11:36 AM

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aye #balanced

keen lily Oct 1, 2019, 11:36 AM

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@lusty silo the one which was shooting the first sell only provides was it suppose to be shell?

hollow ingot Oct 1, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Make deathstar great again

royal dragon Oct 1, 2019, 11:37 AM

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i think foch is a bit too strong

mellow cape Oct 1, 2019, 11:39 AM

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WZ-120-1 FT isn't in there because well, it would be like 70% winrate 🤣

@coral echo I know it is stats from 55-65% players, that is exactly why it would be 70% winrate, think about it
55-65% career winrate players, not 55-65% players in that specific tank

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 11:39 AM

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Looks like the cent 1 is due a buff

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and that the Foch is broken.

coral echo Oct 1, 2019, 11:41 AM

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And all the other tanks they buffed (stb and 215b)

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 11:42 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502017295107883008/628555019087773706/6.2_-_tier_10.png

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That is one hell of a jump for the Foch

indigo knot Oct 1, 2019, 11:42 AM

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I am not able to get one thing....even after so many buffs why 62a has been at the bottom of the charts.....and Leo1 needs a buff too( its been in the bottom 3 since the #devs-answers was introduced)

Foch was already in the top3 most of the time ...so autoloader would definitely make it reach the top

With 215b....Is4 and maus look meh now

Stb1 just with little tweaks is now high up than 50m

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 11:45 AM

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The 62a seems like a one trick pony to me. It does hull down laser gun great... but that is really it. The buffs only made the hull down laser gun better, they really didn't make it any better at anything else.

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If you want flexibility there are obviously better mediums available

mellow cape Oct 1, 2019, 11:52 AM

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WZ-120-1 FT now even has more players than the T-34-2... not including it in the next patch stats would just be hiding its true stats, we get a glimpse of it from blitzstars anyways, it has nearly twice the amount of players as AT-15 which is included

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unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 11:54 AM

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It may not have more players who hold a 55-65% wr on the Ru server.

coarse harness Oct 1, 2019, 11:57 AM

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The WZ-120 (med) stats are just as depressing as it's actual gun dep
Still waiting for the buff to -5°

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 12:07 PM

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clearly the foch autoloader needs a nerf, regarding the fv 215b i'd nerf the turret by making the cupola weakspot a bit wider/weaker.
Wasn't expecting to see the t57 having the worst winrate, while i was expecting the E-100 to perform way better

mellow cape Oct 1, 2019, 12:09 PM

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@coarse harness If wargaming wanted to listen to the community and buff the gun depression they would have done it by now.. but instead we get more and more DPM buffs which are pointless

@unique scaffold You know that having an autoloader with more DPM than a non autoloader is just stupid and broken, the only way to fix it is a significant DPM nerf (and I'd dial back the cupolas to where they were before the buff as well, they are absurdly strong now)

wet quail Oct 1, 2019, 12:11 PM

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My stats in the 1gft are 75% and I’m 59% average 😬, says a lot about balance

nimble zodiac Oct 1, 2019, 12:12 PM

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LOL them winrates and damage spiked for the Foch and STB, and the ISU proceeds to be my prime tier 8 TD for dat damage (but why is Ferdinand doing so well?)

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 12:17 PM

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Yeah, i didn't like the buff to the Foch's hatches too, they said in the video that the Foch 155 Hatch was HE pennable by an E-100, but i didn't even know that, not many people knew after all, if checking the armor profile on blitz hangar to know the armor of a tank is weak enough to pen it leads to a "weakspot buff", it doesn't makes much sense to me, it's called weakspot for a reason, and i'm pretty sure that you could pen that only when facehugging the foch, try to HE-snipe a pixel weakspot from distance, then we might discuss about buffing the weakspot.
Also i didn't see many complaints about The Fochs in need of a buff.

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 12:31 PM

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A little buff to the T54E1s turret armour would be quite nice. Its already troll but apparently it isnt performing well and the buff would help it...

naive ibex Oct 1, 2019, 12:52 PM

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the balance of t8 (tourtaments too) are too much pay to win, why? becuz the best tanks in this tiers are premiums right now, a lot of tech tree tanks are too bad to fight against them (t44 vs t54 prototype or rhm borsig vs scorpion G... premium WZ TD vs tree wz TD, more?)

uncut vector Oct 1, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Why does the graph only show results from 55-65%ers

coarse harness Oct 1, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Because most of them probably know how to play the game
If a player can't evem reach 50% that is not the game's fault

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 1:18 PM

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@bright kernel Thats called RNG and it is a part of the game to stay. Also you are hitting the tracks or spaced armour with HEAT/HE if you arent doing damage. And read the pinned messages in #610791903956303872 to see why stat based MM wont work

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 1:24 PM

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@bright kernel is that Reagan in your profile pic?

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Another one from the tin foil hat society, they are really out in force today...
The game is not to blame, you are.

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 1:52 PM

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@bright kernel you're gonna need to change that. No political figures here.

jade cargoBOT Oct 1, 2019, 1:58 PM

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dynoSuccess meankx[WEAK]#8898 has been warned.

twin egret Oct 1, 2019, 1:58 PM

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George Washington is fine? 🤔 Somehow the Ferdiland is at the top when it comes to win rate

full token Oct 1, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Idk how that got higher than the Jpanther

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Okay.

jade cargoBOT Oct 1, 2019, 2:33 PM

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dynoSuccess meankx[WEAK]#8898 was banned

deft owl Oct 1, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Buff fv 215b 183

thick rover Oct 1, 2019, 3:00 PM

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What's with the Wz113 G FT in the charts

dusky cedar Oct 1, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Where’s the premium wz td? I wanna see its stats

sweet prism Oct 1, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Can I mention wz 120-1gft in this thread and get away with it? Cause balance is no where near to be seen

twilit crystal Oct 1, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Btw @unique scaffold would Eisenhower be considered political

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 3:06 PM

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I would think so

stable idol Oct 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Not modern tho

rose blaze Oct 1, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Should the ac4 sentinel be buffed?

naive ibex Oct 1, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I know what should be buffed, camo and slighty stabilisation of the gun in grille 15, it has worse camo rate than t110e4

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 3:51 PM

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What a surprise mod one and IS3 def have the highest WR besides the Ferdinand

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Its very surprising the ferd is that high. I would guess it has less players than most of the other tanks (because the JPII is a better ferd so most 55-65%ers will play that) so its stats arent quite accurate.

Also WZ120FT has double the amount of players that the ferd has but is still jot included 🤦

rare jacinth Oct 1, 2019, 4:25 PM

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hi guys

round sundial Oct 1, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Many impossible results. Ferdinand? WZ-112? Even ST1 being so low. Seriously, what are those stats?

indigo knot Oct 1, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Well I think most of those players would not be between 55-65 WR...that is why there are not any stats of WZ

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 4:31 PM

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WZ has got more players at higher WR than the ferd (faint red line and area)

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unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Look at that it even has lower damage records

formal vale Oct 1, 2019, 5:25 PM

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The fact that anyone can pick up the WZ and get 60% wins is pretty indicative of how stupidly good it is

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 5:30 PM

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if u look at the price... its pay2win

quick lichen Oct 1, 2019, 6:03 PM

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#devs-answers wow. Who would have guessed that the Foch 155 is so broken?🙄

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Gotta love kpz doing mediocre

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Its quite surprising for how bad its characteristics are, and for how badly i see it played. It isnt the most common tank, but it seems to be doing just fine.

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Based off of the way that WG has historically treated mediums it makes me nervous to see them (in many cases) meeting or exceeding heavies and TD's in damage. Please don't let this be the precursor to another medium nerf...

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Most players I’ve seen using the KPZ say it has no play style even the advertised one and often they have to force the tank to work

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I do okay in it. I tend to play it with the mediums. It hits hard and can make a red medium or light seriously regret getting hit

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HE alpha buff to Kpfz please, T49 does better with an equal XM american 152 mm comventional gun

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I'd rather more gun depression

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 6:46 PM

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It depends on your playstyle a lot. I love it and it suits playstyle well. Like spart says it hits very hard and is fast enough to keep up with and punish meds. Its a great support tank that can be bouncy. I would say nerf lower plate and give it 2° more depression.

coral echo Oct 1, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Kpf needs more gun dep

hushed fox Oct 1, 2019, 6:59 PM

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It’s HE sucks, super unreliable, better off getting reliable dmg with Ap

formal vale Oct 1, 2019, 7:25 PM

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I mean the Kpz is fine. Adding more gun depression would change the way it plays fundamentally. If they gave it better HE, that would be more of a luxury than anything.

Edit: A luxury that would make the tank more fun to play than anything else.

dim field Oct 1, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I'd like if they increased its lowest roll on AP. I like the tank, but it's incredibly rare that i ever get a roll 500+

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 8:12 PM

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The other thing you could do is give it great HE pen (≈170mm) and leave the HE where it is.

nimble zodiac Oct 1, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Honestly... yeah... that seems like a fun experiment for it

distant river Oct 1, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Also I recommend comparing the conway and kpfs stats, interesting to see what the kpf sacrifices for a lower profile and slightly better armour

grave isle Oct 1, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Where is the t22 guys?

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distant river Oct 1, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Its WR was so high they couldnt fit the picture into the file size limit because the graph was too high 🤷

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 8:58 PM

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A tank has to account for at least 1% of total games to be included.

round sundial Oct 1, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Why is WZ120 not there then? I'm pretty sure it is more common than WZ-112 which is there

karmic steeple Oct 1, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Am I reading this correctly? Does it say the is3 has the second highest wr at tier 8 for heavies?

nimble zodiac Oct 1, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Probably getting carried, and carrying at moments

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 9:10 PM

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@karmic steeple yup

round sundial Oct 1, 2019, 9:13 PM

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And WZ-112-2 is the worst. Yeah, that is just not the case. How can it be worse than IS3 when the only thing IS3 is better at is the gun, but not by that much because WZ has HEAT E: I'm not talking about players, I'm saying the tank is literally an IS3 with much better hull and many other perks IS3 doesn't have like 20 km/h reverse, yet it's much worse by stats

unique scaffold Oct 1, 2019, 9:18 PM

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These are 55-65% wr players. These aren't your average player yoloing into red guns.

karmic steeple Oct 1, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Still how is the wz that much worse than the is3. It should be up there with the is3 defender instead of the is3. Nevertheless, out of all of the stats, I’m just happy the 183 is where it deserves to be

stoic pebble Oct 1, 2019, 9:32 PM

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@round sundial I'm pretty sure the WZ-112 shown there is the 112 glacial. I'm guessing the reason why the 112-2 is missing is the same as WZ-120 1 G FT

round sundial Oct 1, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I thought about that too, but Glacial has always been "112", it never had the WZ in front of it's name. It suggests it's the WZ-112-2

orchid grove Oct 1, 2019, 10:06 PM

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@round sundial Glacial is the WZ-112

mellow cape Oct 1, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Yeah, no other way the 112-2 would be that low, it would be nice if a wargaming staff cleared this confusion once and for all

crystal spoke Oct 1, 2019, 10:56 PM

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I wonder why they dont release t7

untold scarab Oct 1, 2019, 11:13 PM

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So ppl conplain less bout the balance in t7

twin egret Oct 2, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Considering how #613362846717181963 takes 6 hours for you to send a message, and as well as how when your message doesn't send so you're forced to wait another 6 hours in order to resend it, might as well put it here....

🤔 you know how a long time ago, back when there back no such thing as a Provisions slot(s), where you have to give up a slot in your consumable slots to put Pudding And Tea or Extra Combat Rations to increase your tank and crew's performance? Maybe we can do something similar like that, like Protect Gear consumable, a permanent effect in which increases your crew's durability...

mellow cape Oct 2, 2019, 1:08 AM

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that would be pointless if it was in consumables, since now we actually have them separated

primal yacht Oct 2, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Yah, if you’re actively fighting instead of camping, a turretless TD already had to expose itself more, then if you’re on uneven ground and you have no gun depression, you have to expose yourself even more 1/2 the time to get a shot. And even tho a SU-101 is fast, it’s not fast enough to keep an RU, LTTB, Drac, etc from circling it unless you’re close enough to scrape them off on something.

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2019, 2:18 AM

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I don’t think the russian TDs need any consumables if they’re planning it 😅

mellow cape Oct 2, 2019, 2:18 AM

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@nimble zodiac no tanks needed any of the new consumables, but look where we are now

obtuse mango Oct 2, 2019, 3:05 AM

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The IS-7 needs buffed, it’s to slow takes to long to reload for dmg it takes. If I could use the gun in the IS-8 I would bc it was 8-9 seconds when the IS-7 does same dmg and takes longer to reload

noble siren Oct 2, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I'm very confused from how WG really buffs tanks. I thought WG touches with the unicums and suggest together how the tank should be buffed from honest perspective. But it seems that they just change the values and don't even bother to test it with other tanks.

ionic kraken Oct 2, 2019, 5:05 AM

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No, screw anything Russian related, they are already broken as is @obtuse mango

Aka, the actually non-braindead players, who have some clue what they do 👇

smoky yoke Oct 2, 2019, 5:05 AM

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They say that they dont look at win-rate or average dmg but looks at 55-65 players but not the winrates of those individual players just how they play the game or maybe how long they last, how any shots before they die etc etc We are unsure. All we know is that they look at 55-65% players thats it.

coarse harness Oct 2, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Just buff the prammo pen so people can use rammer

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 5:26 AM

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@obtuse mango IS-7 Already has some broken armor. It’s not the best but it is certainly good. Plus the IS-7 can do more than 500 dmg with the shot with more pen I believe. Don’t think IS-7 should be touched. Fine the way it is now. Russian tanks got some long reload aswell. It should be nered actually. As said below the IS-7 got some bogus armor. On another topic, I have bounced 3 Fv215B183 shots in a T62A in this week alone. Like i angle last second and over angle but still get away with it. They, in my opnion, should slightly nerf the side armor of some russian tanks as it’s really easy to bounce high dmg shots. Not much, but make it harder to bounce off of a medium completely by chance.

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I once bounced an is-7 lower plate with my jpz E-100, perfectly aimed shot at like 10m

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I would also love a nerf to Foch in 6.4, I’m not saying it’s too op but i think it needs a slight nerf. Not a nerf that would bring to it down to trash, but kind of make it a little bit less popular or overplayerd. Foch is a great tank. I love seeingin it dero and figh. But it seems that it’s win rates and play rates are a little high. Leaving the rest of the tanks such as 183 not being played as much. Although 183 isn’t nearly as powerful. Im suggesting a speed nerf. No, not a drastic nerf, but something that will slow it diwn a little and not force the other team to become toxic. Because that’s what the Foch 155 does. Thats off-topic but I still think a slight nerf to 155 is in order. I cant put my finger on what needs to be nerfed on the Foch 155 but still.

primal yacht Oct 2, 2019, 5:42 AM

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I’m not sure about all of the Russian tanks represented in the game, but I believe most of the early ones that are in Blitz with 122’s had 2-piece ammunition. I like how WOTs does start with the actual specs of the tank, and then modifies them for balance so they’re playable. But I do wish the realistic battles were absolutely true to the tank’s original specs. Although no one would drive a T49 because the actual reload time would be at 30 seconds to be realistic.

round sundial Oct 2, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Both Fochs are Foched up. The T9 one is also an excellent hammer vs meds

round briar Oct 2, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Foch 155?

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frigid sky Oct 2, 2019, 6:35 AM

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I feel bad 😢 for wz113gft ^

indigo knot Oct 2, 2019, 6:54 AM

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113gft needs armour buff

coarse harness Oct 2, 2019, 7:16 AM

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At least the side armor to 100mm and maybe the cheeks even more, to 120mm

formal vale Oct 2, 2019, 7:51 AM

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I think the medium tanks have kinda struck a nice balance recently.

The STB-1 seems slightly overcooked imo, but its not a big deal considering how little of people play it.
The E50M is also a little overcooked, but it has a tough grind before it, so that justifies it a little bit.
The Russian tanks are just popular, so bad players tend to get a hold of them.
The 121 just got a buff and seems to be doing well considering how different it is.
The Patton and 4202 seem to be doing well also as they're both kinda the standards for tier 10 meds.
The Leopard is also just popular and also happens to be the hardest tier 10 medium to drive for new players, but it also happens to be a really good tank at the same time.

Edit: The 121B is also fine where it's at. It really takes the standard tier 10 med that the Patton and FV represent and turns it into a russian medium form of it.

noble siren Oct 2, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Leopard is hard and only skilled players play it good @formal vale

jolly panther Oct 2, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Any chances for VK 72.01 K's credit earnings to change? Either lower repair cost, or buff the earning coefficient a bit? It's repairs cost literally double than any other tanks :/

craggy osprey Oct 2, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Wargaming Staff! Something to bring to your attention. Why is this a thing?? When playing the Kv3 (not the most overpowered heavy/effective now days) I found this thing has a horrific stock engine. 2km/h average speed? I’m highly confused by this statistic. Is this a way to make the player not enjoy the vehicle until that engine is upgraded?? And it’s still pretty slow for a heavy when upgraded too... might wanna change this/make it playable. As 2km for a average speed in a tier filled with very good speedy vehicles... it struggles to get to the battle. Let’s imagine the t28proto, t28 and the t95. Slow vehicles, and stock don’t get to the battle until late game/mid game.. this thing stock is worse than that...

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unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Hmmmm as i remember i kept the KV-3 stock engine beacuse the mobility was satisfying me enough, i guess this may be just a bug.
Additionally this brought back an old memory of the stock T-150, painful traverse speed, and i had the stock 57mm gun, i got circled of death by an enemy T-21, couldn't keep up even by turning both the hull and the turret while standing still; all this while he was getting shot by a teammate who tried to help me.

crude kite Oct 2, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Pls upgrade T343 ammor...
So..terrible ammor..

distant river Oct 2, 2019, 11:07 AM

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I'm guessing you want a buff on the hull because you are trying to play it like a T-54, not a T-34-1/2. That is your own fault and the tank should not be changed because you are playing it wrong @crude kite

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 11:10 AM

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rather buff T44 120mm reload

crude kite Oct 2, 2019, 11:41 AM

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@distant river I know how to play t343 but I mean that's ammor so bad
That side ammor 50mm and front ammor can't reach 200mm
T343 is 8tire medium but that ammor so bad

distant river Oct 2, 2019, 11:44 AM

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So you know how to play it but you expect it to bounce shots of its side? Nice joke...

coarse harness Oct 2, 2019, 11:45 AM

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It has better armor but worse mobility compared to the T-34-2
The tank is pretty balanced unlike other T8 prems

distant river Oct 2, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Balenced? You mean "its so bad it needs a buff please I want it to be op" /s

iron lynx Oct 2, 2019, 12:57 PM

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The T-34-3 has a massive gun and okay mobility, the (somewhat) bad armour balances it out.
It is pretty balanced imo.

coarse harness Oct 2, 2019, 1:43 PM

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I mean "It was cheap so I bought it and with it's gun the tank is quite unique so I'm not bored with it yet"🤷🏻‍♂️

iron lynx Oct 2, 2019, 1:47 PM

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T-34-2 is the poor man's T-34-3

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 1:57 PM

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but what's about the 120mm from the T44 ? why is it so bad ?!

formal vale Oct 2, 2019, 1:59 PM

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@noble siren "also happens to be the hardest tier 10 medium for new players"

I got you. No prob ;)

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Oh I forgot to tell the other day I couldn’t pen a tiger 2 in my Kpz even when I had the high ground advantage

round sundial Oct 2, 2019, 2:06 PM

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T-44 is meant to be played with the 100mm.

clever void Oct 2, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Ya the stats on the t44 122 are horrendous. Don’t equip that gun. I’m incapable of playing the t44. I’m yo spoiled with the type 59 and mod 1 where I can have auto bounce angles whenever I want

languid whale Oct 2, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Just a personal opinion, but IF the Foch 155 gets any form of armor Nerf I think the tier 9 foch should receive the same nerf the armor on the tier 9 foch is alot more efficient than the tier 10 because it Has the privilege of fighting tier 8s not to mention it's monster DPM at 3,400(not as good as some other TDs in it's tier but still good) this tank used to be considered better untill the 155 got it's AL

distant river Oct 2, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I dont think you understand either what buff means or what balence is

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Why in the world would either Foch be due for a buff??? @languid whale

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@languid whale everything you just said is either wrong or completely idiot like

languid whale Oct 2, 2019, 2:39 PM

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@unique scaffold if you can read I said the tier 9 foch needed a nerf if the 155 got nerfed
It autocorrected to buff
XD ikr
Sorry for the confusion @unique scaffold
Either that or I typed buff when I meant nerf
Either way I think the tier 9 needs a nerf if the tier 10 gets nerfed

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 2:40 PM

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You wrote buff

full token Oct 2, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Hmm that’s a nice autocorrect
By the way there’s still one more ‘autocorrected’ word there

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Autocorrected nerf to buff... I'm skeptical.

languid whale Oct 2, 2019, 2:51 PM

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@unique scaffold but either way I apologise for the confusion and I meant for a nerf and not a buff I don't know how I mixed them up or how it autocorrected but I'll make sure to make actuall game assisting balence changes

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Anyone struggling in Tier 6 using kv1s?

placid carbon Oct 2, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Both of the fochs need a nerf

formal vale Oct 2, 2019, 3:23 PM

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@unique scaffold the KV-1S is really powerful if you know how to use it. You only have like 1300 dpm, but you have 400 avg dmg. It's also very mobile for a heavy tank with that gun caliber. You have to peekaboom and avoid showing too much skin because tier 5s will even pen you.

dim eagle Oct 2, 2019, 3:57 PM

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@craggy osprey then u haven't tried the kv4 stock I mean no speed like couple of kmh no armor penetration even using apcr u can barely penetrate slow rate of fire bad turent traversity everything u hate in the kv3 u gonna hate it more on the kv4

latent snow Oct 2, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Kv4 maxed out is pretty good tho

round sundial Oct 2, 2019, 4:54 PM

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No, it's not even close to good

orchid grove Oct 2, 2019, 7:03 PM

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KV-4 is pretty awful actually

noble remnant Oct 2, 2019, 7:46 PM

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@orchid grove
I actually like the kv4, why do you think it’s awful?

round sundial Oct 2, 2019, 7:48 PM

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The problem is, there is always something to fire at vs KV4. If KV4 tries to sidescrape, turret is flat 180mm ez pen. If he tries to brawl, hull is still ez pen. And it has trash gun which is not even usable for any other tank, so its useless to research

noble siren Oct 2, 2019, 7:49 PM

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@round sundial i found kv4 pretty decent when it's maxed but painful when it's stock. I enjoyed it when I was grinding it the armor on hull is very good tho, the turret is "yes and no", mobilty understandable, gun is OK for me.

orchid grove Oct 2, 2019, 7:49 PM

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It's got some of the worst gun handling and aim time numbers in the tier; and it's got low alpha, so you have to spend a ton of time exposing the weak turret to aim for some stupid 320 damage shot. And it's super slow. And the armor is not even close to reliable

noble remnant Oct 2, 2019, 7:58 PM

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@orchid grove What would have to change to make it decent?

nimble zodiac Oct 2, 2019, 8:27 PM

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@obtuse mango I hope you reconsider the IS-7, it is a hulldown god and it has very good armor in the hull too, the gun does 460, not 420 like the IS-8, and the penetration works well

random bear Oct 2, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Wz 120 ft needs an hp buff

unique scaffold Oct 2, 2019, 9:54 PM

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@unique scaffold Imo kv1s is pretty overpowered. Got great mobility and a decent gun. With a 400 av dmg gun you are able to 2-4 hit enemies. Have to avoid spam tanks like cromwell comet pz4 ect.

drifting depot Oct 2, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Well dat tonk has also a low profile but for being a heavy it is hella low armored bud, like for real you can't sidescrape on that thing even against a kv2, and hoho boi I say it for experience

wise dirge Oct 2, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I love how all the tanks buffed in the previous update or whatever are all now the best tanks statistically (Foch, 215b, STB)

languid whale Oct 2, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Tier 9 foch was op and keeps getting buffed I think Wg needs to drop the Nerf gun on it

fathom basin Oct 2, 2019, 11:30 PM

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And Foch 155, Even Object 263 & 268 are scared. I want WG nerf the Maneuverability. That thing was so fast and have armor.

raven dawn Oct 2, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Pls dont change badger stats

magic ginkgo Oct 3, 2019, 1:28 AM

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BUFF WZ-113!!!!!!!!!

flat bane Oct 3, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Lol

languid whale Oct 3, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Nerf the Autoloader on the 155 and either: Make the single shot gun a viable option, or remove it and make everyone use the AL because the Autoloader is better than the single shot in every way

rigid wigeon Oct 3, 2019, 4:35 AM

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@nimble zodiac it’s not the is7 is a bad tank, it’s just other tanks like the is4, t22 medium and wz113 do its job better

agile mica Oct 3, 2019, 4:41 AM

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T28 'Prot' have to be more faster not the Defender

sage geyser Oct 3, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Kpz 70 need buff, it's weaker than the other tier 9 heavies. It needs real 152mm alpha OR more armour

obtuse sentinel Oct 3, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Kpz 70 needs a definte DPM buff

coarse harness Oct 3, 2019, 4:56 AM

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At least there are no OP prems in T9 YET

sage geyser Oct 3, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Kpz need some buff , maybe give it 34kmh avg speed if keeping everything else the same

latent snow Oct 3, 2019, 5:52 AM

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You gotta realise that the kpf can also meet teir 8 tanks

unique scaffold Oct 3, 2019, 5:58 AM

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I just want a HE alpha buff, equal to the T49, since it mounts a similar XM conventional gun. It's not fair, I do (when it pens) the same damage (or often less) as i usually do with standard APCR, so it's useless. With alpha buff the HE would have a reason to be

flat bane Oct 3, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Does anybody feel the T4 and T7 French TDs need some what of a rework? Or are they fine where they are right now?

crisp palm Oct 3, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Fine

ruby oriole Oct 3, 2019, 8:48 AM

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The tier 4 is NOT fine

crisp palm Oct 3, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Grinding 15-20k exp for the next one aint that hard tho

round sundial Oct 3, 2019, 9:06 AM

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The T6 at least has a good gun, but the T7 truly sucks. Well, not all tanks in a line can be the best, and I thinnk it's comparable to both T25s

fallen flume Oct 3, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Does anyone know what's the distribution for damage like? Gaussian, linear? Any information on it?

iron lynx Oct 3, 2019, 12:36 PM

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@fallen flume
I think damage distribution is just +/- 25% linearly, gun dispersion is Gaussian.
No info for Blitz, I assumed Blitz has similar mechanics to PC.

flat bane Oct 3, 2019, 2:52 PM

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The T4 French TD could use a maneuverability boost yes? @ruby oriole

@round sundial the be fair, the T7 seems to be really large and lightly armored. Plus it has about 970 HP so getting HE-ed and getting demolished in one shot is common. The gun has -10 degrees of gun depression tho, however those massive range finders on top make hull down not a viable option :/.

random bear Oct 3, 2019, 3:13 PM

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T 22 medium needs an armor buff

sage geyser Oct 3, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Wz 120 1 need more armour buff

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If kpz 70 do less dmg cuz it's atgm, let us guide the atgm

distant river Oct 3, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Hmm yes that was balenced before...

sage geyser Oct 3, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Actually that will nerf it, atgm don't go as fast as apfsds, people can duck behind cover

full token Oct 3, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Right so just pointing at the sky and then auto aiming on an enemy stuck in an open area won’t work well

orchid grove Oct 3, 2019, 4:11 PM

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WG needs to buff the IS-7 already. The balance charts for the last 3 months have shown it’s consistently the worst tier X heavy in damage per battle and one of the lowest in WR

unique scaffold Oct 3, 2019, 4:17 PM

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@sage geyser you do know it doesn’t even shoot APFSDS ingame nor does it have ATGMS

chilly crane Oct 3, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Buff FV 215b 183 and WZ 113G FT pls 🙏🏻

distant river Oct 3, 2019, 4:59 PM

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113 now has the stupid consumables and the 183 is in the best place it can be if its still in the game

sage geyser Oct 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@unique scaffold it dose shoot apfsds in game, the XM578 is one of it's Shell types

unique scaffold Oct 3, 2019, 5:06 PM

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It’s classed as APCR and has non of APFSDS features @sage geyser @orchid grove of course I know it fires APFSDS ingame it’s just classed as APCR or that’s interesting

orchid grove Oct 3, 2019, 5:06 PM

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@unique scaffold @sage geyser

Both of you are wrong. The Kpfz 70 actually does have an APFSDS shell ... it's the HEAT shell actually.
For some odd reason the XM578E1 shell is the Kpfz's HEAT shell, and the M409A1 HEAT shell is the Kpfz 70's standard APCR shell (probably just a WG mixup)

@unique scaffold APCR fired from a rifled gun behaves almost exactly like an APFSDS shell.

drowsy plaza Oct 3, 2019, 5:17 PM

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@orchid grove APCR doesn’t discard the housing for the penetrator until impact, so it’s not going to go as fast as a DS shell as the penetrator dart on a sabot round won’t have the extra drag.

orchid grove Oct 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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@drowsy plaza Yeah, which is why I said "almost"; but the central idea of using a dense core for penetration is the same, and in game, the effect of the discarding sabot is modeled by giving APDS shells much less pen loss over distance compared to APCR. In game, the Leopard 1's 105mm APDS loses 8mm of pen at 500M, whereas the 105mm APCR shell on the M46 loses 44mm of pen at 500M

drowsy plaza Oct 3, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I saw the convo moved.

ruby oriole Oct 3, 2019, 5:32 PM

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They are classified as APCR, but they do have APDS characteristics. That said, KPZ 70 should have a better HE, cos as of now, its HE does as much as a 128mm

indigo knot Oct 3, 2019, 5:39 PM

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After playing Standard B I think Leo Pta is kinda useless tank now.... Standard B is better than it in almost everyway.....
The DPM doesn't matter much as you can clip out the tank that is pushing you tanking away the vehicles 1100 HP and then trade with him 1v1 eventually you will be winner

Same is the case with Leo1 and Progetto......and Progetto even gets well sloped armour and troll turret....

I mean both tier 9 and 10 Italian tanks outclass German Leos

@orchid grove would you consider a difference of 7%-5% in the tanks WR and about 200 damage difference OK in the balance charts

orchid grove Oct 3, 2019, 5:41 PM

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For paper tanks with low alpha and high DPM like the Leo’s, the problem these days is that people in general are good enough to not just sit in the open for extended periods of time and get farmed. And without armor, it’s near impossible to manufacture such situations

sage geyser Oct 3, 2019, 5:41 PM

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@orchid grove yeah when I saw that m409a1 is heat but in-game is apcr I realize that they mixed it up

crystal spoke Oct 3, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Just like with the disaster that was the t49a event

sage geyser Oct 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Buff t 54 mod 1, need more armour

jolly kayak Oct 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Hi

drowsy plaza Oct 3, 2019, 8:37 PM

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@indigo knot better pen on the Leo’s. A T-54 can push on a Std B and get a few troll bounces due to armor. 15mm greater pen with the Leo PTA will cut the hull with its APCR. As well the Leo’s have better mobility. I don’t see them as an outright replacement at all.

orchid grove Oct 3, 2019, 8:46 PM

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People compare Standard B to Leo PTA, but really, the more valid comparison is with the AMX 50 120; more mobility, lower profile, potentially more DPM, more accuracy, and it doesn't have to deal with a long reload. It's kind of stupid actually

wicked jackal Oct 3, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Guys we have pefectly ballanced game right now, I just played against toon of WZ-120-1G FT. Well guess what, we lost.... and u can guess who did most dmg for the red team! Yay perfectly ballanced game! Thx WG!

drowsy plaza Oct 3, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Play tier 9...

wicked jackal Oct 3, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Well actually @drowsy plaza I want to play my t8 premiums like Löwe or superpershing to grind credits for my t9 and t10 tanks and equipment, but apparently now i can't because of this Broken tank in every second battle... then what's the reason for buying premium tanks other then Broken WZ? Why I payed for over 13 premium tanks if all of the t8 are useless now against toon of those pay to win tanks? Well i can pay more right? No i won't simply because i fell scammed and payed enough for now. At least until WG understand that Gameplay should be ballanced to be fun, but now it begins to be simply Pay to win. Not only wz 120 but also smasher, drac, helsing, ke ni otsu u need more?

indigo knot Oct 3, 2019, 9:01 PM

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@drowsy plaza every one I know uses calibrated shell on standard b (I don't know about you) get 252 standard ammo pen with gun depression to point gun down on hull .....why would anyone even wanna play PTA when with your clip potential and gun depression and good mobility you can do everything better than what PTA does. Also it gets Hesh which comes in handy especially in tier 8 matchups

indigo knot Oct 3, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Now that Standard B has 350 alpha gun...I hope bat chat and t54e1 should be given 350 alpha too.... keeping dpm same

lone flax Oct 3, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Almost 3k damage blocked

📎 20191003_1639__aydanc_KV4_himmelsdorf.wotbreplay

indigo tinsel Oct 3, 2019, 10:46 PM

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KV4tress shows its true colours

rigid wigeon Oct 4, 2019, 1:15 AM

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@drowsy plaza we shouldn’t have to play a different tier. WG just shouldn’t sell op af tier 8 premiums 🤷

drowsy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 1:31 AM

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I was being sarcastic.

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I’m not a fan of OP tanks being sold or for that matter in the tech tree either. But given the option, I’d prefer tech tree tanks to be OP rather than create a P2W mentality.

nimble zodiac Oct 4, 2019, 1:38 AM

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The mobility of the WZ can chill, but I think everything else is fine

rustic fossil Oct 4, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Tanks like Smasher, WZ-120 ruins the game, plain and simple. The really only safe Tier is now T10, unless WG decides to outright sell the T-22. I don’t think the T-22 is really as broken than the Smasher or Wz-120.

ripe oasis Oct 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Tmw wargaming buffs the T10 Chinese td but it's till the most unpopular 😂

iron lynx Oct 4, 2019, 4:58 AM

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WG: Buffs the tier 10 Chinese TD by giving it an autoloader

thick rover Oct 4, 2019, 5:27 AM

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Woah

flat bane Oct 4, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Remove the game from the app store 😤

thick rover Oct 4, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Ok..

rare igloo Oct 4, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Why does the matchmaking kick me out of the waiting room for no reason?

flat bane Oct 4, 2019, 6:05 AM

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May be it's your internet connection?

grave quarry Oct 4, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I think 183 needs to be toned down

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iron lynx Oct 4, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Yes
Give it a 57mm gun with same rof

ionic kraken Oct 4, 2019, 9:02 AM

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The Foch 155 is stupid to fight against now that it has an auto

fading haven Oct 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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I think they should improve/buff tanks from the European Union. They are medium but still lack much shield.

distant river Oct 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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I think you dont understand the purpose of a medium tank

fading haven Oct 4, 2019, 9:33 AM

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Yeah, probably. I am still new in the game.

coarse harness Oct 4, 2019, 9:45 AM

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The pantera is a bit too mibile imo

iron hearth Oct 4, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Of course its mobile it has 0 armor

noble siren Oct 4, 2019, 10:24 AM

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What is the chance for T62 and Obj140 to get any buff on something considering that it got huge nerf in the past (according to the most of the players)? Because it seems that WG doesn't have problems with tank with strong turrets and hull down at the same time

full token Oct 4, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Obj140 is not really that bad right now. It did get nerfed before but it’s been doing well all this time.

deft owl Oct 4, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Buff 183

noble siren Oct 4, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Will it be OK if T62A receive 1° more depression?

meager spruce Oct 4, 2019, 12:36 PM

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no. because then it will outclass Obj140

distant river Oct 4, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Give 140 1°more depression as well?

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2019, 12:47 PM

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More gun depression for Russian meds??? Yes please

round granite Oct 4, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Then they will become overpowered

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Ahh yes making OP mediums now I see

rustic eagle Oct 4, 2019, 1:51 PM

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No dont, the russians dont want to be more depressed

formal vale Oct 4, 2019, 2:45 PM

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The T-62A and Obj 140 are perfectly fine. The 62A is actually really easy to play and the 140 has a high skill cap. No need for any buffs

noble siren Oct 4, 2019, 2:57 PM

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ok just asking

thick rover Oct 4, 2019, 3:59 PM

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My turn now, any thoughts on buff on Leo1 / 263 gun handling? haha

narrow garnet Oct 4, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Nerf Foch tier X 👍

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2019, 4:20 PM

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263 n o the Leo needs a slight aim buff

empty lodge Oct 4, 2019, 4:53 PM

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delete KV2

nimble zodiac Oct 4, 2019, 4:58 PM

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KV-2 isn’t that OP :/

formal vale Oct 4, 2019, 4:59 PM

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The only way to delete a KV-2 is to use the delete button (another KV-2), the backspace button (a SU-152), or, a lesser known option, use the shortcut Ctrl+Alt+Delete to open up task manager and end the task (the Smasher). @empty lodge

karmic steeple Oct 4, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Or you just go behind it :/

random bear Oct 4, 2019, 6:30 PM

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WZ 120 ft needs an hp buff

wise dirge Oct 4, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Back in the good ol days premium tanks were balanced but made great credits
Or atleast comparable to the tech tree versions

hidden frigate Oct 4, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Well, the Vulcan is kinda bad, so at least it’s not an OP tank to worry about

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2019, 8:25 PM

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laughs like palpatine

drifting depot Oct 4, 2019, 8:26 PM

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for some reason the Vulcan is over priced for such a bad tonk, so guess you can say it's op but it's not OP

distant river Oct 4, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Stat-wise the vulcan seems similar to a cross between the IS with the 122 and the 100mm gun. Worse gun but better (although flat) armour, with spaced armour as well.

mellow cape Oct 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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it's far better than the crap the IS is

drowsy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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When you look at the Vulcan in a tier 8 med, you often need to get behind it to do any damage. Between the angles and the spaced armor - it’s pretty decently armored

round sundial Oct 4, 2019, 8:44 PM

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No, the turret is ez pen. I penned it with every shot with vk36🤷

mellow cape Oct 4, 2019, 8:49 PM

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turret is 177mm head on, definitely not an easy pen for tier 6s which often lack penetration

drowsy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 8:53 PM

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It’s like an E100

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It should only face direct to shoot.

round sundial Oct 4, 2019, 9:03 PM

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It's not really like E100, cuz the armour is too thin for the angling to really change anything

drowsy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Turret front is 176-189 depending on location. Not exactly something a tier 6 can do with AP. The VK 36 can do it face on with APCR

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unique scaffold Oct 4, 2019, 9:08 PM

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R/hmmmm

jade cargoBOT Oct 4, 2019, 9:23 PM

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dynoSuccess Norb#7168 has been warned.

hidden frigate Oct 4, 2019, 9:30 PM

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I love the argument that overpriced=OP. It doesn’t. The armor is an easy pen for anyone with a brain from any angle, the gun is distinctly meh in every way, and the mobility is all it has to redeem itself. Even then, it’s no chrysler. It’s not OP. It’s not even good.

indigo knot Oct 4, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Nerf the autoreloader....make the last shell reload longest and so on ....

meager spruce Oct 4, 2019, 9:44 PM

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sooo you want it to become like IS3 A in wot PC? When the very first brawl in a battle happens you will have 3 shells, then you shoot all 3 shells and then reload the first and only fire the first? Meaning that the reload gets shorter the less less shells you have? yeah, I think I'll pass. Autoloaders are balanced in my oppinion except Standard B's HE but other than that they are OK

mellow cape Oct 4, 2019, 9:58 PM

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it already is like that on the top autoreloader (although very little difference)

indigo knot Oct 4, 2019, 10:15 PM

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The last shell I mean is the last one I fire or first one to reload and make it significantly longer.....
Progetto for instance has quite sloped hull that can bounce many shells and has small turret when facing enemy on top of that it has autoreloader where it can brawl and come out on top by firing 3 shells taking half the HP and then trading 1 for 1 ....Fv4202 has good hull but a massive paper turret compared to it.... and so does the Leo1 which only 2 things top speed and fully aimed accuracy other than that it is no better than any med....why play both of these tank when you can do better in Progetto with quite less draw backs....

mellow cape Oct 4, 2019, 10:17 PM

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You don't play FV4202 to be competitive, you play it for fun with the HESH gun, if you want to be competitive there's better tanks like E50M (which is better than progetto pretty much), leopard one does need a buff especially to the gun handling

unique scaffold Oct 4, 2019, 10:29 PM

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@mellow cape laughs in nashorn

thick rover Oct 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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@mellow cape I agree on leo

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2019, 2:23 AM

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As a huge leopard ace it really does need a slight buff sure its good in the right hands but speed and accuracy is the only traits it excels at the other meds arent as accurate but they can still be just as effective

flat bane Oct 5, 2019, 3:01 AM

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@unique scaffold the hell is a r/hmmm?

drifting depot Oct 5, 2019, 3:17 AM

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@hidden frigate Oh ye um over=o priced=p so it's op but not OP I think you didn't get the joke

zinc sail Oct 5, 2019, 3:39 AM

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I feel that other than the armor, I think the Tiger II needs a nerf on engine power as well

rustic fossil Oct 5, 2019, 3:50 AM

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I wish the Tiger II was like that when I was driving it in 2015. It was potato back then.

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Please buff the IS’s Dispersion, it’s absolutely horrible and I’ve missed the broad side of tanks when fully aimed

sage geyser Oct 5, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Is the kpz 70 a TD, rn armour need buff to be like vk 45 and e75

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Another stupidest thing said by you

noble siren Oct 5, 2019, 5:56 AM

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I have the Leopard and I can say the only that it has only excellent speed (for being paper) and very accurate gun. Nothing more. Buffing the gun, for me is worthless. The only way to deal with other meds is to catch them off guard and outDPM them and use the good gun depression.

flat bane Oct 5, 2019, 6:03 AM

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"Kpz needs armor like the vk 45 and E75" don't be stupid

compact nymph Oct 5, 2019, 6:29 AM

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@unique scaffold It's an emblematic drawback of most russian tanks. And there's already enough IS spam. If you dont like inaccurate guns just play another line.

noble siren Oct 5, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Wz113 should not get any buff

compact nymph Oct 5, 2019, 7:22 AM

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@That One Failure#8042 And if you aim for a broadside tank at 400m with an IS, dont expect to hit him.

drifting depot Oct 5, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Unless you're using Apcr wich has a much better speed it shouldn't hit for sure

narrow peak Oct 5, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Why HE pen on standard b so high?! Isn’t the 1000 damages burst isn’t enough?!

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empty lodge Oct 5, 2019, 2:45 PM

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look at you go rich boy! how fat's your wallet lmao

chilly crane Oct 5, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Is the WZ 113 G FT going to be buffed ?

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@narrow peak you do know there are other tanks with equal HE pen right?

thick rover Oct 5, 2019, 2:49 PM

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@chilly crane well It was just buffed in 6.3 with new consumables if I'm not wrong

distant river Oct 5, 2019, 3:05 PM

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There was an 8k in the pre nerf charioteer i believe

narrow peak Oct 5, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I don’t know how dumb you guys can be but you said pre nerf charioteer so I’m ok about what you just said

hot atlas Oct 5, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Bruh

coarse harness Oct 5, 2019, 7:18 PM

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I miss the complains pls someone do somethig

full token Oct 5, 2019, 7:20 PM

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183 too weak. See #devs-answers. It has too low dmg per battle. More alpha please to fix this. Maybe 1k more alpha wouldn’t hurt

latent snow Oct 5, 2019, 7:21 PM

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I hope this is satire

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@full token no. The 183 is right where it belongs

nimble zodiac Oct 5, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Last time I checked having a high alpha required a long reload, and I think the FV is legal to that rule. Also did someone legit ask for a tank to do 1930 damage per shot? Lollll

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Last time I checked impossible to balance tanks were subject to be Able to be removed 🤔

full token Oct 5, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Someone was missing the complains @latent snow 🙂

They even got rid of their option to replace it with the Badger, so the FV will be up there

coarse harness Oct 5, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Too many players have it so making the tank collector won't solve the problem
And just completely removing the tank is not an option

It is already crap
Maybe they should lower the prem HESH alfa to ≈1100 or remove it and rework the whole tank

drowsy plaza Oct 5, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Maybe folks should accept that if they want 1500+ plus Lol power it goes on a lemon.

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You still see Pramo etc players racking up 4K games when they play it. The 183 should have never come to Blitz - and since it has, let’s leave it where it is.

distant river Oct 5, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Remove the HESH and maybe it can be improved 🤷

drowsy plaza Oct 5, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Reduce the RoF but buff the turret armor. That is the only way I see it working in Blitz.

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Instead of a 21.1 second base reload make it 25

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Or even 30

slim rivet Oct 5, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I would prefer 120 but that’s just my opinion

distant river Oct 5, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Its dpm isnt the reason its game breaking. Without HESH it becomes similar enough to the jag e100 and so it can get buffed. Remove HESH and nerf the HE pen to around 50mm. Nerf the AP pen to 275 but then increase the camo to be bearable for being agressive but not as good as before. Increase its front plate by 30mm so it can bounce meds occasionally.

iron hearth Oct 5, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Tbh if you still have problems dealing with the 183, even after the nerf you are a noob 😂 ;
im not biased since i dont even own the tank

coarse harness Oct 5, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Those pen values are pretty funny

It is usually driven by 40%-ers and they are camping in the most obvious positions
Free dmg most of the times

unique scaffold Oct 5, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Strange most here don’t own the tank either

orchid grove Oct 6, 2019, 12:25 AM

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The tank itself is fine statistically. The only thing that really needs to happen is they need to make it super expensive to run; like drop the credit coefficient back down to like 56% and then double the ammunition and repair costs

thick rover Oct 6, 2019, 12:36 AM

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I would love to see a Leo 1 buff in either of these areas gun handling / speed / depression / penetration lost with velocity

I don't think it's speed and gun are well defining factors when you have mediums that go faster than you early game and you can't exploit that speed well enough and it's gun handling....

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2019, 12:38 AM

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The pen loss isn’t an issue and if it is just use supercharge while the gun needs a slight aim time buff the speed is already the best of all the meds the 30B can’t accelerate as fast as it the depression is sort of an issue but since it’s flexible it can be worked around and if the leopard were to receive 10 gun dep the 30 B would lose all relevance

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2019, 1:01 AM

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hhhhmmm i think T49 suppose to be a 155mm not 152mm gun

flat bane Oct 6, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Ok

torpid furnace Oct 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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REMOVE the 252U

fading salmon Oct 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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lol

flat bane Oct 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Lol

warped anchor Oct 6, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Still waiting on that chieftain t95 buff wg with the introduction of the t26e5 you just made it a obsolete piece of junk because of that cupola and bad pen with standard and gold rounds

flat bane Oct 6, 2019, 2:21 AM

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The T7 French TD needs a armor buff smh

drowsy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 3:10 AM

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@unique scaffold no the T49 has the 152 US LOW velocity cannon.

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It also allowed for the Shillelagh through battle missile

drifting depot Oct 6, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Well, if you wanna grind to that broken foch 155, you gotta suffer cheeky boi

desert vortex Oct 6, 2019, 3:36 AM

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@sacred snow #502019319417405441

hidden frigate Oct 6, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Good. The T49 is bad for the game and should either be ignored in future updates or changed negatively.

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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How is it bad to be exact? It has garbage accuracy and possibly worst power to weight ratio of all the bulldog chassis

drowsy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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@unique scaffold enough consider this a warning as the bot is broken

indigo knot Oct 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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T49 doesn't need any buffs or nerfs.....

flat bane Oct 6, 2019, 4:16 AM

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The T7 French TD does :O

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Meh, it could be either a bit faster or a bit more armored not gonna lie

hot sun Oct 6, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Or change its standard round to APCR or something, the main HEAT round it has drives me crazy lol. Besides that for me, it's still a rather fun tank to drive and doesn't need much changed to it

thick rover Oct 6, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Running supercharge sacrifices aim time
The speed can only be exploited on like far distance on certain maps tanks like 62A and STB can reach thee before you, Leo getting 10 degree doesn't affect the 30B while it has that kind of turret armour and speed

noble siren Oct 6, 2019, 6:28 AM

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T49 doesn't need any buffs, being hit for 400 damage with splash is not that balanced but I'm not complaining. But plz don't do anything to it.

drifting depot Oct 6, 2019, 6:35 AM

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@hot sun dude, someone already said it up there, the t49's cannon isn't even made for any sort of armor piercing rounds, infact any sort of anti tank shell, it was made for missiles, I think the real name was m5a1 or something too

Huh wait, I just remembered this game isn't even close to being realistic, ye ap or Apcr would be noice

hot sun Oct 6, 2019, 6:36 AM

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@drifting depot does it look like I have the time to read all of a chat I do not. And yes was going to say the same, it's not realistic.

dim eagle Oct 6, 2019, 6:49 AM

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How much more I'm supposed to carry the team I mean u can't win

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noble siren Oct 6, 2019, 6:58 AM

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@dim eagle normal day with the WoTB MM nothing new...

distant river Oct 6, 2019, 8:01 AM

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3k in a tier 9 in a tier 8 game, real hard carry right there 🤦

But anyway this isnt the channel to post anything like that in @dim eagle

round sundial Oct 6, 2019, 8:03 AM

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3k in T9 is more like a normal game than a hard carry. Complain when you do 5-6k, not 3 smh

noble siren Oct 6, 2019, 11:16 AM

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Actually no if u r team mates are only taking damage and you are the only one making damage, he didn't said that he carried hard or something but yeah he tried to carry his team. So you are just mean you 2 there^^^

random bear Oct 6, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Foch 155 needs an armor Buff

leaden tiger Oct 6, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Yes kv2 need a he pen buff

random bear Oct 6, 2019, 1:52 PM

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REMOVE the BADGER

orchid grove Oct 6, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Badger is just a worse E3; IDK how you’re complaining about it lol

thick rover Oct 6, 2019, 2:14 PM

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I would say they are different but idk both are good

noble siren Oct 6, 2019, 2:26 PM

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@orchid grove LMAO

round sundial Oct 6, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Badger doesn't have any obvious HEable cupola. They're about equal imo

dire lake Oct 6, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Any thoughts about changing the Realistic Battles to 5 tanks per team so that we don't have to wait so long? Ten minutes is a bit much.

dire lake Oct 6, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Tournaments would also be interesting if it was played in Realistic mode. Could be more challenging but worth the victory.

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2019, 2:52 PM

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WG pls u rework control setting in the game. there are many problems. 1st-no fully costumizeable HUD. If someone wants to play with 3 or 4 fingers, has a lot of rules: aim button has to be on the right side. Ammo switch buttons are on ammo bar and we do not have option to set every ammo type to different place. If I wants to use the left side shoot button only, I do not have any option to delete right side shoot button. Consumable buttons same. They has to be on the side of the screen. 2nd-no option to turn off aim acceleration-I know that is it because many small phones do not have place to turn camera so easy, but without using it we can have a better aim. 3rd-no zoom value on mobile-there should be a slider option how much we wants to zoom camera. it is irritating when the camera zooms automatically.4th-obligatory 60fps on pc-a lot of pc players have more than 60hz monitor and these players hates 60fps. I wanted to make a mod to unlock 120fps option but I was not working. Pls fix it.

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Because it gives you a lot of advantage when you can aim and shoot at the same time. For example when you see a batchat, yous has to tap aim botton, tap HE ammo, aim and tap the shoot botton with same botton. If you do not have enough time to aim you will miss the shot, but if you use 4 fingers, with one finger you tap the HE shell and aim botton, with one finger you aim and at the same time you shoot with another finger. This control option takes one week to get used to, but after that your multitasking will be better. This is how a good HUD looks like. It is an answer to someone who asked but deleted.

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I didn’t even delete if anything the mods probably did since I always ask and comment on the dumbest questions

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You think this was a dunb question? Could you explain pls why? It could help me next time to save people from dump questions.

full token Oct 6, 2019, 3:39 PM

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I guess it isn’t related to this channel

unique scaffold Oct 6, 2019, 3:45 PM

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So what is the channel name where this topic is related? There is no technical isues channel.

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Oh you have right, I did not watch cathegories only channel types sorry

flat bane Oct 6, 2019, 4:52 PM

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@nimble zodiac it needs a HP and armor buff (t7 French TD)

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2019, 8:40 PM

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or perhaps it can get a more painful gun, as a TD

languid whale Oct 6, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Buff the heavy everyone forgot about:
Vk 45.02 A

brisk lily Oct 6, 2019, 8:53 PM

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they already have :v
the gun

nimble zodiac Oct 6, 2019, 9:28 PM

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yeah, but maybe more pen xD

languid whale Oct 7, 2019, 12:12 AM

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And a reliable armor profile :/

flat bane Oct 7, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I've done more research into the T7 French TD. I can safely say it needs a buff

winged barn Oct 7, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Why though? I love that thing

shy zenith Oct 7, 2019, 1:23 AM

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StOp SwEaRiNg. I'm fine with the StuH, since the StuG is one of my favorite tanks tbh...

stray spire Oct 7, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Umm how about not nerf tiger p because I can take out most tier 9s and a few tier x in its bs getting 4 bounces of an is7 is kinda saying some thing if that's just me well ok then

formal vale Oct 7, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Looking forward to getting that StuG tbh. Looks like a fun, free tier 5 derp tank if it's just being included in the event

rose blaze Oct 7, 2019, 4:10 AM

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what do u ppl think of the scavenger

thick rover Oct 7, 2019, 4:13 AM

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It's one of the best tier5 meds that I love it's alpha, armour and speed are all good for me

arctic sluice Oct 7, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Buff IS-8 and T28

drowsy plaza Oct 7, 2019, 4:17 AM

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IS-8 doesn’t need a buff.

formal vale Oct 7, 2019, 4:25 AM

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^^^ The IS-8 is perfect the way it is

rose blaze Oct 7, 2019, 4:27 AM

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250 alpha gun or 160 i prefer the 160 alpha for the reliability because the shell velocity on the 250 is just nope

flat bane Oct 7, 2019, 5:15 AM

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@winged barn just because you like it doesn't mean it's good. :/. I did really well in the t28,t28 prot, the T4 French TD, and a bunch of other tanks that are considered "bad"/ the tank stats is less then the average for that tier. does that mean those tanks are op because I did good in them?

indigo knot Oct 7, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Truthfully Is8 and E75 are my fav tier9 hts ...and E75 is easy to play as long as you know how to angle and Is8 is a heavium or a support tank.... don't frontline line in it and play is like a medium and you will be fine

dusky cedar Oct 7, 2019, 6:11 AM

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E75 is op

latent wyvern Oct 7, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Not OP, but it's stronk

flat bane Oct 7, 2019, 6:51 AM

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St-l is my favorite

latent wyvern Oct 7, 2019, 7:05 AM

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After playing both of them, I would also tend to st-1

drifting depot Oct 7, 2019, 8:01 AM

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Well, st1 Is a russian stronk tonk after all, is like some sort of stalinium alien wagoon lul, and about the e75 hell ye boi dat upper plate is hella stronk

latent wyvern Oct 7, 2019, 8:31 AM

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What I prefer more on the E75 is the gun and the bigger HE alpha. Causing 600 dmg on enemy WT's is kinda great.
St1's HE alpha is 500, which is meh (compared to other 400 alpha guns which have 515)

indigo knot Oct 7, 2019, 9:12 AM

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E75 is better when top tier and St1 is better when bottom tier.....

eager stump Oct 7, 2019, 9:41 AM

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ST-1 has the better gun and turret

true wedge Oct 7, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Tiger 2 needs a nerf on the lower front plate due to it and most of the tank itself being mostly impenetrable by most tier 7 premium ammo

timber parrot Oct 7, 2019, 12:38 PM

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I agreed @true wedge, the Königstiger lower front plate is too OP, they should be decrease it, I recommended to decrease it to 140mm or 135mm.

latent wyvern Oct 7, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Buff Tiger 2 lower plate to 230 mm because I can still pen it with HEAT 😉

acoustic shard Oct 7, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Leave the tiger 2 Be at least for now. It's Been TOTAL TRASH for soo long it needs to be Great for at least a little while.

rustic eagle Oct 7, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Its a little bit more than great

unique scaffold Oct 7, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Dont exaggerate it was okay before

rose blaze Oct 7, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Tbh I'm happy to see that the tiger is finally a force to be reckoned with

acoustic shard Oct 7, 2019, 2:12 PM

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No it was COMPLETE TRASH, total garbage, The Tank in the line you save the Free xp for

stoic pebble Oct 7, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Tiger 2 wasn't even that bad before the buff. I don't understand why people think the buff was warranted to this degree. There were a few quality of life buffs that it needed, not this absurd level of armor. It was only "complete trash" if you played it badly.

acoustic shard Oct 7, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Any one with a brain could pen the tiger with prem shells and normals. No angle or amount of wiggleing could save you because there was always one or 2 weak spots that could be hit with ease. the entire front plate turned to butter with prem shells of tanks like the EXP and all Teir 8 TD's and some tier 7 TD's. And 90% of tanks could over match the side armor by shooting throught the massive tracks. it's mobility was and still IS bad enough that all the russian heavy's could (and still can) circle you. Even at the most Superb angle your rounded turret side could be SMACKED. Gunn mantle was ENEFECTIVE The only thing it had was a gun.

eager stump Oct 7, 2019, 2:28 PM

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You never couldn't circle the Tiger II.
The armor wasn't totally trash and sidescrace had works on it.

mellow cape Oct 7, 2019, 2:31 PM

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what the hell are you saying? russian heavies circling tiger II? 🤦

full token Oct 7, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Wait what

noble siren Oct 7, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Wait the heavies can't but almost every medium can. But who really cares about if you can circle it or not.