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#tank-balance-discussion
jade cargoBOT
lost sinew
Su122-44 should get pen buff imo, it’s not that good even with calibrated shells
nimble zodiac
It’s already a good tank destroyer, you can play it like a yolowagon and trade and two for one shot your enemies. 175mm of pen is better than The 170/171 that the brits have and gravedigger/helsing. There’s no tank in tier 7 that can easily trump the pen
odd sandal
plus the su has some armor, and it somewhat for some reason to me resembles a very very underpowered wz 120 ft
neat crescent
I almost fell for it but no lol @unique scaffold theres no oh man for you today 😂
unique scaffold
Wargaming i need help...
oblique parrot
With
unique scaffold
Mhm
unique scaffold
@ashen gorge if you need help your best approach is to file a ticket through the customer support website.
@unreal spear that has nothing to do with vehicle balance. Your friend needs to file a ticket through the customer support website.
thick rover
Would be extremely cool if maybe FV4005 has HESH gun alternative? And pay in terms of other aspects I guess just a random idea to float across
indigo knot
I won't like a tier 9 med get deleted by it in a clip
tough ravine
i went a even about tier 10 premieum tank who likes my idea?
unique scaffold
Amx 40 why this dont have good penetration ;-;
@manic thistle this channel is about vehicle balance. It isn't for you to rant about mm.
clever void
I recently decided to play the Charioteer again first time since nerf. I truly still enjoy it and it’s still very good. I even consider it better then the Scorpion as long as it has those consumables
compact nymph
And what about nerfing the M6A2E1 EXP? Troll armor, op gun and pen, with a decent speed. That shit rots most games in T7-9.
noble siren
Get good the tank is fine and easy to counter
proven helm
I usually fight it with my isu152 because it makes easy cheek and some hull shots frontally. Higher dpm too. If u wana circle it and what not i would say t49 for butt shots, or the ru251. If u mean heavy v heavy i dont think there is a really effective counter to it in the tech tree. @unique scaffold
noble siren
The tank is very easy to kill if you shoot him in the big weakspots (hint not the cheeks). And don't let it hug and everything will be fine.
unique scaffold
low bluff
263 nerf/buff
noble siren
Totally not buff
sly elk
NOT buff.
void mortar
Just remove madgames consumables from normal games. FV4005 would be balanced then
smoky yoke
@void mortar They are adding consumables to the Heavies next thou?
void mortar
IS4 meta will be over and fv215b is going to be op too. There really isnt a better solution? MadGames Cup 2019.
thick rover
Idk if FV215b will actually be OP
lament vessel
It will...
crude pumice
IS4's turret armor is op. it's unfair
The IS4 turret is too hard compared to maus. Should the IS4 body be nerfed by about 10mm, or weaken the turret.
Or reduce the weakness from the turret of maus.
noble siren
well I think that its balanced with gun depression. Lets hope that the consumables are just prank by WG
sly elk
He has a point. When playing as an IS-4 and aiming at another IS-4's side turret armour I basically have to load HEAT. Not even the IS-7 is armoured that good at its turret sides.
sage thicket
Yea clippers are not OP... I hope WG will start playing their own game, bcuz it’s ridiculous....
Tanks with below 460 alpha ARE GONE. Max 1-2 per team.
low bluff
Wut i meant with 263 is it needs a dpm nerf for exchange of a little bit more side armor. Its a gud tank i tell ya but everyone just loads pramo to shoot the mantlet like its butter. Dpm cant be used too often sometimes. Trying to angle and wiggle and jiggle, sides get pened too ez
sly elk
263's penetration is OP.
trim quest
Buff
desert flame
Thoughts on the Chieftain/T95?
inner lotus
@desert flame is alright, but i feel the soviet premium heavies are better
round sundial
A very bad tank, gets penned by everything either to the cupola or lower front plate, and the gun isn't that good either.
desert flame
I personally struggle with hitting the cupola on other Chieftains tho. The tank does have decent mobility
round sundial
Are you talking about the T10 chieftain? This cupola is so much bigger and weaker, it's not even funny. Caernarvon is much better despite it's flaws. Also who thought this slow mode feature would be a good idea, it makes having a coherent discussion almost impossible
crystal spoke
The cheiftan/t95 is definitely my favorite t8 heavy if you learn its playstyle and how to use it properly its alot of fun and a pretty good tank
unique scaffold
I never got it but I do agree it’s fun to fight against
grizzled sleet
@round sundial they gave a reason, "slow mode is enabled so we can look through your suggestions and hear what you have to say"
unique scaffold
Also how is a caernarvon Better than a mk 6 chieftain?
twin ocean
is it possible to buff IS4, please? Me think this tank is weak
violet sonnet
Lol of that was true, a list of changes will come but no... They too busy adding mad games consumables
strong condor
215b is op soon
scenic portal
Give the 183 more armor
distant river
Give the 183 a special thing called collectors status @scenic portal
strong condor
Imagine IS4 with the super turbo
scenic portal
@distant river i had a vision people will always complain its a camping op tank not looking at the fv4004 with mad games consumables😂 who cares about that...
But make the fv183 like 215b td version.. A wee bit more armor and mobility and turn it into a brawler with a quick 20sec reload
distant river
@scenic portal yes lets make the biggest and most unbalancable alpha in the game into a tank that bounce shots while camping 🤦 People will always camp inbthe 183
unique scaffold
Dread it run from it 183 mm hesh arrives all the same
bleak grail
Buff Gravedigger, more armor
Geez im kidding
scenic portal
@distant river if i had to be honest with all my games played in it vs the jag and ill sound like a cheap scate but i only carry 2-4 hesh and 2 he rest ap ... But what if you reduced the hesh damg to max 1300 and ap to 1000.. Seems well within bounnds to the other derp daddy .. Or drop a few mm of the hesh pen
Jag does 800 avrg.. And 1200he unless fire
So the 183 could work at 900-1k ap and 1300hesh-he
distant river
Not if you remove HESH @unique scaffold
@scenic portal 1300 alpha with HESH cannot be balenced at all. Sinple solution is to remove HESH and leave it with just AP and HE
unique scaffold
Removing its hesh despite being its only unique feature will make the 183 useless as it has no armor low ammo cap and horrible gun stats unlike the jg pz e100 800-950 dmg isn’t one shot potential rarely does it roll that high
scenic portal
funny that i could use a premo round more than hesh.. But i wouldn't see that as breaking the tank.. I'd have a mobility buff or gun buff over the big issue with hesh.. If push came to shuve I'd vote to remove hesh
distant river
Buff the mobility and remove its HESH, it still has the ability to 1 shot it will just be vary rare
crystal basin
@distant river sure.and how about 10s Off from reload after that, It sounds good :)
round sundial
@unique scaffold "Also how is a caernarvon Better than a mk 6 chieftain?" I was talking about the T8 chieftain, with the huge weak cupola
wise dirge
I loved the Caernarvan, great tank
unique scaffold
Its ehh
wise dirge
Have you ever played the thing, just drive to a spot to hide your lower plate and burn through everything lol
shy wren
That DPM, excellent gun and pretty troll turret in the right position sells the tank for me. Sure, it’s not like the Churchills, but it’s still a pretty solid tank
meager peak
yep, caearnavan is a really nice tank to play, it can be very strong/weak depending on skill
round sundial
Did you just call Churchills good? The only good one is black prince, churchill 7 is the worst t6 heavy! It has no armour, no speed and poor gun
wise dirge
FV4201 is a middle ground between the Caernarvan and Black prince, so I love it, even though I’ve only played 1 battle in it so far and will probably never play it again because of how OP that 1 battle is
mortal granite
The Blaze seems to be left unloved by WG and the community but who can blame em when its just as the playerbase call it "an ok tank" ignoring that its a tank that you have to buy with real world money.
distant river
@mortal granite premium tanks should only be ok tanks, they should not be good just because you paid for them
noble siren
How about to buff Tankenstein this tank is not good(68%wr in it xD)
keen breach
And some Buff for the Gravedigger PLS PLS PLS A shell or 2 more pls
clever void
The Blaze is actually pretty good after the last buff. The issue is that tier 7 is stuffed full of different types of premium tanks where few prefer the Blaze. I would not mind a bit more dpm in it but it’s really not needed
teal frigate
buff t44100. either give it more gun depression or alot more turret armor
noble siren
Nah first Tankenstein
harsh smelt
Nah first Smasher
keen breach
no no no the IS7 need's the original armor and the Maus
unique scaffold
@keen breach yes is7 needs buff specially side armor
kind swallow
Is7 is funny to play, but it would be a lot funnier if it would have 320 apcr pen and faster moving turret
nimble zodiac
Ew, APCR spam, the gun performs fine, the turret is way too armored to move much faster, I believe it is balanced and retains some sort of niche in tier X, not to mention the good speed for the armor
flat bane
Is4 needs 300mm upper plate for more bias 😤
unique scaffold
buff a bit su100m1 front armor and accuracy is so bad ;-;
steel matrix
The maus needs frontal armor buffed all over as ur practicly a pinyarta
undone merlin
W h y
nimble zodiac
No... Maus is fine, skilled players will tend to hide their weak spots as much as possible, and Maus is one of few tanks you can effectively use to be basically invincible
unique scaffold
I don't even drive the Maus and I know that you need to angle the armor for it to be effective.
slim rivet
A buff in the armor won’t help u if half of ur team is dead at the time u arrive... @steel matrix
unique scaffold
Buff t110e3 side armor to 150
flint token
Buff AT series tanks to be faster
weak spindle
^
prime veldt
^^
olive hawk
I'm sorry but literally no one cares about training rooms
undone merlin
Why is a training room complaint in a balance channel
thick rover
Yea
wet nymph
guys is armor any different on the jadtiger vs jadtiger 8,8 cm also is the gun the only thing different about the two?
unreal spear
ARL 44 is a paper tank and the gun is also about nothing in 2017 and 18 had the best armor and the gun was also good I wish I had better armor otherwise it's like MT-25 or paper
meager spruce
Then how do you explain that the ARL and KV2 are the most used tier 6s in tournaments?
visual nimbus
ARL 44 I’d argue is a pretty OP tier 6
white vessel
Arl is pretty flexible
obsidian solstice
ARL 44 seems fine in tier 6
twilit crystal
arl 44 is pretty op lol, But they had to buff because of the kv2 which was frankly absurd
obsidian solstice
they can't exactly uptier the ARL either because tier 8s would eat it for breakfast
twilit crystal
but its clearly didnt need an absurd armor buff because of the kv2. Why wg didnt just nerf the kv2 is beyond me
drifting depot
Arl 44 has some humongous fire power, not to mention that people is always complaining about heavy tanks being easy to pen even from the front and having to angle them in order to be effective but come on kiddos, even the damn game tells you that not even a single tank is impenetrable, and angling it will only increase your chances of bouncing a shot, it also tells you that heavy tanks, while yes, they are supposed to be the most armored tanks in the game they are more focused on having a powerful cannon/lot of health compared to other type of tanks
unique scaffold
So, Kpfpz 70 has a castrated 152 mm gun, like the T49? Fine, because it's a good gun in the end. But GIVE IT ALSO THE SAME HE ALPHA OF THE T49, because right now I am not motivated to use a HE which can do only 200/300 alpha if it doesn't pen, and 500 if it pens. All I have to do to equal this damage is to spam the regular APCR ammo. And buff the reload, it's too much long. Shave off it at least half a second, if not an entire one
noble siren
Maus' armor is useless due the gold spam smh and yeah I hide the weak spots but there is a 3rd on which is harder to hide
charred bobcat
you're playing the maus completely wrong if you think its armor is useless lol. if you hadnt noticed, the maus has been always top on the charts for highest avg wr
still panther
@noble siren you want enemy to think they can pen you, so they shoot at you and not your teammates. Take the hits, because that is your job
noble siren
First I know how to play the Maus and don't need you to teach me. I'm just saying that the gold ammo makes it much harder, because I'm getting penned on ridiculous spots and I have weak spot same like the M6exp which I wonder if it can be fixed
still panther
@noble siren I'm saying don't fix it.
obsidian solstice
If you think driving the Maus in Blitz is bad try playing the Maus in WoT PC and War Thunder... Yeah have fun with that
charred bobcat
if you're making the enemy fire gold ammo at you, then idk why you're complaining. maus already has the highest hp and if people are shooting you with gold, theyre effectively lowering their dpm. there's really nothing wrong with its armor
noble siren
Bruh I'm not saying that it is bad...
charred bobcat
"maus' armor is useless due the gold spam" was your statement earlier. idk why you're typing in this channel then. 🤡
noble siren
Idk if is4 can pen my frontal armor without problem with gold I dont know what to think
unique scaffold
Now that the STB-1 is getting a turret armor buff, I feel like FV4202 should get one aswell
still panther
@unique scaffold perhaps another sheet of paper added to the FV4202?
grizzled sleet
They pay attention to tournaments discussion
grizzled sleet
Omg no quit the 30b is great
loud kernel
Can anyone tell me that Lowe is not a straight better Tiger 2?
round sundial
I can, but I would lie
unique scaffold
Bruh when I was poor I ran STB and Patton with calibrated shells and no provisions, they had a 7.4 second reload. And I lived through it it’s fine. If 30B has better reload like 6.6 with rammer it would render the leopard and STB pointless
foggy crag
30B's DPM is so low....
fiery flame
@foggy crag stop complaining it’s a really good tank, just get good in it
round sundial
In fact, it's the best T10 med after T22 by stats
rose lynx
30b has speed and turret armour, it's good enough i think
distant river
@foggy crag 30b isnt supposed to have dpm, its a really good tank if you use it right (as in not relying on dpm)
unique scaffold
bonjour , pourquoi sur blitz on ne peut pas récupérer facilement des véhicules premiums revendu ou mis au clou , merci
@unique scaffold English please
fallen elbow
Why in the world are we you guys making regular battles like Mad Games. The British TD consumables while questionable, I could live with them, however now you guys are crossing the line (for me at least). Adding consumables to already existing tanks that boost tank capabilities for a set duration of time. I dont want regular battles be turned into a mini (tbh a worse) version of the Mad Games, so please. Re consider the UK heavies consumables and any other similar consumables that might be on the drawing board.
dusky oxide
You know he is angry because finns rarely get vocal. Dont add this crap!
unique scaffold
oki , sorry for my english, why the premiums tanks resell by the player , is not possible to rebuy by the player more easy??? because 1 rebuy by years its very long
It’s literally for the UK heavies and tds tell me you can shoot off a 215b track as you run away dude the fv4005 is the definition of a glass cannon while the 215b needs skill to use and I don’t have it though
indigo knot
@unique scaffold you can put a ticket to WG and ask for the premium that you sold along with the screen shot proof that you have played a battle in it
This can be done once a year for one vehicle
versed fable
im sure the devs know what they are doing
distant river
@versed fable hahahahahahaha great joke. Take a quick look at smasher, wz120ft, pre merf charioteer and conway and ask yourself if you still believe they know what they are doing
sudden granite
laughs
wet quail
Good joke bro, you got a laugh from me today @versed fable
versed fable
why wouldnt know what they are doing? whatever their reason is, im sure it is justified through all the data they gather from the survey
round sundial
Why are the british heavy tanks getting buffed? They already are amongst the top heavies of their tier, especially FV215b. This will ruin T10 balance for sure
thick rover
Top heavies..
sudden granite
The smasher penns a flanked kv4 frontally, the WZ is fast, good gun and very troll armor
unique scaffold
I don’t know who thinks the 215b needs those consumables especially since it’s gonna be giving to the t7 to 8s in the line
meager spruce
215B is already one hell of a beast at tier 10. The stats from 6.0 clearly show it and yet it will get even better. I kind of believe WG want to change the tournament standard from IS4 to FV.
indigo knot
@meager spruce i really believe every line will be getting some sort of these new consumables before twisters
weak spindle
I really, and I mean REALLY hope this ^ is not the case 😦
royal topaz
Kv 2nerf pls
charred bolt
No
unique scaffold
Yup. Update 6.2
uneven kettle
when can we have a Centurion Action X but plz not a premium tier 10 or collectable ?
crisp palm
niceeee..they make the fv 215b more intresting 😍
weak spindle
Correction* too op and mad games-ish^
fleet stump
The FL-10 need -1 or -2° more gun depression. But I think it's more a personal thing. ^^
drifting depot
I know that the isu-152 has a powerful Cannon and all but I feel like it needs a little hp Buff, there's only 15 hp difference between it and the su-152 and it's not fun always being 2 shotted by almost everyone due to how easy it is to pen the tank with normal ap shells unless you hit the cannon mantlet/the shot just goes through the tracks you probably won't be able to reject a shot :/ rng is also annoying enough
slim rivet
U cant give more hp to a tank which already has a t10 gun @drifting depot
drifting depot
Please don't argue such a nonsense topic, most tier 8 tanks have a tier 9/10 cannon and basically all of them have at least one tier 9/10 module
kind swallow
Isu don't have good cannon
It has got OP gun
This is why they nerfed it on pc
twilit crystal
the problem with the fl 10 is the absolute lack of elevation too with a tall profile. Even the wz 120 with 3 degrees has the 15 degrees of elevation and a very low profile
slim rivet
Sorry for my non sens bro. U are absolutely right : the ability to deal 600 damages at tier 8 is kinda average. Therefore isu needs more speed and armor. Also don’t forget to camp at spawn and to yolo from the hill when all ur team is dead @drifting depot
indigo knot
Isu has best tier gun at tier 8.... doesn't need any buff
cinder sage
Depends who plays it
This idiot ISU lost a 1v1 against me when I was in a STOCK St. Emil so...
weak spindle
@drifting depot, the isu is still a tourney competitive tank, it doesn’t need any buff
meager spruce
You know there are notification settings or you can just turn off the sound
weak spindle
So you are saying that a consistent comp tank should be buffed, by that logic the is4 should be buffed
indigo knot
For once ISU doesn't need buff rather nerf Bl10 just like PC
Its low HP that makes up for its OP gun
languid knoll
The isu is balanced man, every td get circled by mediums if they do know how to do it
unique scaffold
The ISU is right up there with the IS-4, Smasher, and WZ-120-FT on the list of tanks that need to be buffed.
slim rivet
Every body is like isu is good enough. This lone guy : u all stupid We DoNt CARe oF zE GuN every t8 can deal damages Plz buFf isu. Considering his aggressive ton maybe we should need to nerf his ability to speak?
fleet stump
@unique scaffold Yeah WZ-120 FT and Smasher need a big buff. M4A1 need a nerf.
unique scaffold
Please tell me that’s a joke
weak spindle
It was
drifting depot
The worst part about this is that some random guy was taking seriously one of my dumbass jokes💪🐒👍 well maybe it was my fault for making it look too serious but the monkey is the one that says it's a joke at the end🐒
south cloud
Hi guys
uneven surge
but where is the thing that adds hp?
btw the M4A1 needs a buff on Ahpha damage instead
visual nimbus
🙈
compact nymph
What about removing the 8.8cm KwK L/100 gun on the E50 (nobody uses it anyway) and replace it by the 10.5cm KwK L/68 (Tiger II top gun) or the 10.5cm Kwk L/70 (Löwe's gun)?
unique scaffold
@grizzled sleet how would you propose buffing the 4202? Personally I'd like a bit more turret armor at the expense of hull upper plate armor.
grizzled sleet
Turret is pretty much all it needs, mobility is fine, gun is fine, but god rhe turret needs and armour buff
unique scaffold
I agree
jade cargoBOT
get_spookd#1615 was muted
hushed fox
Buff the Helsing too, it really needs atgm’s like the T49A
quick lichen
Just stop
twilit crystal
i disagree with a 4202 turret buff. Then it just becomes a more agile, better camo e50m minus ramming
grizzled sleet
No that not true at all, we said for a sacrifice of hull armour
stoic pebble
I do better in the 4202 than the E50M, which is kinda weird considering everyone considers the E50M to be the "meta" T10 med. I would not buff the 4202 at all. It's fine as is imo but a buff wouldn't hurt)))
twilit crystal
@stoic pebble again the e50m is a solid tank but its not like its some broken OP beast, it has some key advantages.
charred bobcat
it is though lol
slim rivet
Whatttt, well played fv202 is already awesome. I won’t complain about a buff on my dear medium tanks but sincerely, it doesn’t need any @unique scaffold since u know how to play it hull down it’s a buff. I see what u are try to do here 😹
unique scaffold
Let's not call it a buff then, let's call it a trade. I would happily trade hull armor for turret armor on the 4202.
stoic pebble
I believe the 4202 is fine as is. The hull armor is terrific for lucky bounces from anything and especially from people who autoaim. The 4202's gameplay does not revolve around its turret, but around every other characteristic it has. It has more DPM than any other medium while it is firing HESH, and has 10 degrees of depression. By giving it more turret armor, you are simply making another STB-1 with a different gun. Leave the 4202 alone and let it have its own unique playstyle.
winged barn
The turret is very trollish and is full of steep angles.
unique scaffold
Just saying that it is weird that the line goes from decent turret to squishy turret ¯_(ツ)_/¯
grizzled sleet
Give me action 10
distant river
It also goes from eh speed to good speed 🤷
rigid wigeon
None of the lines in this game make that much sense @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
I mean the fv4202 has a max speed of 50kmh it’s not gonna chase meds down and 1800 hp is low
twilit crystal
Its 50 with great traverse and p2w
static canyon
Interesting
uncut stream
@SD if any medium needs a buff it is the Leopard 1 - its acceleration and breaking performance is appalling for its engine power and weight, it is in many situations the same as say the T-62A/Object 140 or the difference between them is completely irrelevant (1-2m difference over a 200m run for example if the terrain is slightly uphill) even though the Leopard 1 has 50% more horsepower and only about 10% more weight. Its armor profile was part of giving it superior manouevrability, but a 65 km/h combined with poor turn rates and this appalling accelleration and breaking performance doesn't do justice to this design. All of this is much worse if the terrain is desert or snow and I feel the Leopard 1 has indirectly been punished hard as of late with crazy increases in damage received from destroyers, the T-62A gun being improved, its silly high breakdown/crew dead probabilities (well at least the number of times these things occur), etc
nimble zodiac
It’s the gun that determines crew damage, doesn’t it? Maybe you’re getting shot by TDs too much, Leo 1 is still a reliable tank
uncut stream
Sure it's the gun that hits it that does the damage, but I feel there is no quality in the Leopard 1 that balances its armor weakness or as I said does justice to the design of light armor but superior mobility. A top speed of 65km/h does not make an enemy miss. I don't get hit too much - I get sometimes hit for too much. Upwards of 1.5k oneshots is much more than used to be possible and this damage can come from frontal hits. Leopard 1 is not reliable. I don't think any tank experiences the amount of breakdowns and crew kills that the Leopard 1 has to endure - not at all seldomly these things happen on 3 successive hits it receives.
unique scaffold
How does it have poor turn rate my leopard build has 72 degrees of traverse? Also if your getting your crew injured and parts damaged too much run durability equipment jesus
uncut stream
I have to say the accelleration and the silly drifting is much worse in some games than in others. For example making the 180 degree turn around the rock on Castilla driving to the hill from spawn, in some games Leopard 1 drifts like a rally car for seconds long while in other games this turn is a solid turn with maybe a little bit of drift at idk 50km/h or so. Having worse accelleration in a game than in other games is also clearly noticeable. So make this fixed and consistent please accross all games forever. I am not complaining about hull/turret traverse - it is slightly better than most other meds except it is 9 degrees less than the T-62A which on top of that also has the same DPM, accuracy and a shorter reload meaning it lands one extra shot in about every encounter with a Leopard 1 in the open. But seriously just notice that the Leopard 1 will only get ahead a T-62A or Object 140 after it reaches the top speed of the other tank at 50km/h which is totally inadequate given the stock 250 horsepower difference.
unique scaffold
The tier X t22 medium collector tank is broken... fix it...
I dont know whats wrong with yours but the leopard has very high track resistance of course it has no armor its meant to shoot move and shoot again theres a reason its gun was rated 2nd best gun ingame due to jg pz e100s HEAT shell it has 1965 max HP 5.9 max reload 2.8 max reload time suggest a tank that comes close to these stats its balanced
unique scaffold
The t22 medium is OP...
knotty cave
These new consumables are gunna be great. A black prince that not only has more hp now. But also it takes less damage, and it goes even faster. Brilliant idea
crystal spoke
For a limited time
deft owl
@knotty cave You are telling it like bp will do those things at same time without sacrifice anything. You need to give up from consumables to do those things.
unique scaffold
Aside from this those consumables should have a high cool down but ultimately those consumables don’t last long guys
spiral gulch
Black prince is already borderline OP, its main balancing factor is speed, and now with the engine boost that is negated quite a bit..dont like the consumables at all
patent quiver
The cooldown on the improved engine boost is going to be critical in determining whether if it could be used generally or for critical moments such as rushing to a shaken flank, in the beginning or when giving chase.
lunar niche
Now all i need is that speed/traverse boost consumables for German superheavies. Just imagine the ramming potential lol.
fallow zephyr
i propose maus max speed to be increased to 60 kmph
thick rover
.
sleek hornet
@fallow zephyr oh no thats to horrible LOL
true spear
@sleek hornet No. it’s amazing.
weak spindle
Shh, wg might think you aren’t being sarcastic
sleek hornet
@stoic pebble well...I love it to give a buff 4202 but I hate that same time
summer plaza
HI everyone, im new here
nimble zodiac
Hello @summer plaza this is a discussion channel for balancing tanks, you can talk to other people in general or blitz general
indigo knot
Give Leo1 turret traverse buff(it has 2nd slowest turret traverse among all meds) and aim time (to the 2.5sec fully equiped) or dpm buff rather many tier 10 meds need a bit of love....4202 has worst aim time in all tier 10 med with that weak turret armour while 121b has 2.5sec aim time fully equipped (which also has a problem of getting module damage too often like fire )
@unique scaffold every time you rotate your hull the bloom gets larger while on case of turret traverse it doesn't get so large and turret traverse increases ability for hitting snapshots which Leo1 needs to do a lot
unique scaffold
My guy it has 3.5k dpm maxed out I would love to have a 6 second reload for 390-400 dmg to make up for 2.5 aim time as for turret traverse it can literally use its hull to the advantage it has a bug that causes the turret to get stuck as the hull is traversing this allows the gun to rest and if you can pull off swinging the gun around allows you to sling a shot
nimble zodiac
Please no 400 damage for 6 seconds reload, literally 4000 DPM 😓
unique scaffold
Yeah 6 seconds seems too low maybe 6.7-8 wouldn’t seem bad our Leo here is lacking some times
indigo knot
You want Leo1 like in PC currently
unique scaffold
Wouldn’t be bad would add more difference between leopard 1 and 30 b and make the leopard more of a sniper tank leopard can’t really peek though the 30 b can brawl much more comfortably than the leopard and 5mm pen difference isn’t a lot between the two tanks
twilit crystal
not really, the leo has better handling and better pen and accuracy?
sleek hornet
I hope to nerf 'Smasher'...Seriously this is too overwhelmed power... how could 7tier tank can beat the 8tier tank smoothly?
frank urchin
It’s not a problem anymore
Unless there are 2 in this same team and they are pros
unique scaffold
Thanks to skorp G
faint pewter
Smasher is reskin of other tanks
sleek hornet
Smasher can smashing the 8tier tanks...
thick rover
Hahaha
frank urchin
Smashed gets killed by obj
keen sinew
Ok
unique scaffold
How could you get killed in t8 by smasher?
frank urchin
Cuz it’s dmg
noble siren
The fault for these "balanced" consumables is on our community, not dev's fault. If I remember correctly, they asked us and we answered so don't blame the devs.(I hate these new consumables too but I can't do nothing about it ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
unique scaffold
Ofc someone is going to beg for op tanks to stat pad in them , but it is devs / testers job to make them balanced , or just dont add them at all . But tbh I have to see these consumables in action to see are these as good as community is trying to show them as
quick lichen
@unique scaffold since when is it a testers job to make tanks balanced? We are given tanks. We play them. We submit written feedback. What wg chooses to do with them has nothing to do with us once we submit feedback
unique scaffold
@quick lichen hm i mean that it is more of your job as the tester to test tanks( in this case consumables ) and let devs balanc them out , I made it a bit unclear in last msg
quick lichen
Tanks that were successfully tested and balanced:
30b
Chieftain
113
Vk 72
Progetto is pending but if left as is, isn’t op or weak
K-91
T-55a (maybe a bit on the strong side)
T-34-3
Tanks that were not tested:
Wz 120 1ft
Obj 252u
Smasher
Original vk 100
True
I understand maybe there isn’t enough time to test everything but
The charioteer looked broken on paper
And was completely broken in practice
How that doesn’t get noticed or tested is beyond me
indigo knot
@quick lichen what about Badger...it was also tested
I really hope they don't allow the tier 10 pems or collectors in tournaments (but that won't happen)
After seeing Raid vs Mercy in Normandy (all T22 med by Raid)felt like medium meta was back
The funny thing is in PC itself T22 was broken tank and was nerfed ....it had 5 deg of gun depression there while here in Blitz they gave it 6 with the broken turret (best in the game)
quick lichen
I have a hard time remembering them all
It was tested and significantly nerfed
The only remaining question is was it nerfed enough or too hard. Honestly I don’t see many of them so I have a hard time saying where the new version falls
If it’s using its armor and gd of course it’ll seem “broken” but certainly no more than an e3 in the same position gun depression aside
@indigo knot I said the same thing about ratings. Ban collectors and premiums from anything competitive. Ratings and tournaments
indigo knot
But seems like it won't happen and near about twisters i think they will be selling these collectors (T22) and obviously eSports players will be getting there hands on it afterall it will be needed in tournaments if not banned
noble siren
@quick lichen this is a very good idea for the competitive gamemods
coarse harness
And maybe bring same control mode in ratings as well
noble siren
nah the controls are fine
indigo knot
Well then Asia and NA will be suffering the most if same control mode is there.....server has less players
clever void
So their is this argument that WGing intentionally over cooks new tech tree tanks so that people use free xp. Then nerf them a update or 2 later. Case in point FV4005 line
thick rover
:( well the tanks were OP
quick lichen
@clever void you can totally make that case but then there’s the vk 72 and the wz 113 g
unreal spear
ARL 44 is paper pls UP his armor thanks ;)
shy wren
Nah, armor’s solid if you use it right
keen sinew
How to play T20
quick lichen
Arl is one of the best armored tier 6s lol
@keen sinew it’s a support medium. You don’t frontline. You abuse ridgelines. Shoot people who aren’t loony etc
tardy meadow
So how balanced will the E75 TS be
coarse harness
The T20 is literally the worst T7 med🤷🏻♂️
keen sinew
And the T43
fiery flame
T43 is probably one of the best tier 7 mediums tho
zinc fossil
The VK 72.01 K should be reworked to be a more gun focused heavy tank rather than on armor. Right now it's kind of squeezed into a niche that's filled by the E-100 and Maus and doesn't bring much else to the table on it's own. Cut back the hull and turret hatch armor in exchange for higher DPM and improved gun handling
quick lichen
@fiery flame I just looked at the name and disregarded what they said
@zinc fossil no idea why they nerfed the hp
sand olive
exp is too hard to pen when a good player plays it lol
noble siren
@sand olive ever heard of its tracks?
lusty jacinth
Wz110 needs a buff its so bad terrible pen, terrible speed, terrible armour, terrible accuracy honestly the worst tier8 in the game
tight star
@coarse harness what do you mean? T20is op
lusty jacinth
Probably because ppl only play wz110 in plats so its bearable
distant river
Its across every 55-65% player in the game, it cant be influenced by platoons that much..m
muted oxide
anybody wanna play
mellow pagoda
Hey Wargaming there are 14 games that I play with tiers 7. before we could play with Tiers 5. after the update is 25 tiers VI and 40 tiers V. then I only fall with Tiers VII. fix it
carmine spear
@mellow pagoda fix what exactly? Fix what tiers other players play at?
round sundial
Gleyson, right now, MM will have a lot of FV201 players in the game. Try playing T7 or T8 tanks until the FV spam subsides
carmine spear
Fighting higher tiered tanks give you MORE experience than fighting equal tier/ lower tier opponents. Play with a couple braincells and farm them.
That and your screenshot don't relate to the channel's name #tank-balance-discussion. Maybe they should make a channel called #crying-about-matchmaking or something like that...
unique scaffold
Dude you said literally in the last few days across many channels to beg for a free tank
carmine spear
Still crying?
unique scaffold
@quick lichen I haven't stated that these new consumables are broken , I just told
jade cargoBOT
Gleyson_Kriegs#5297 was kicked
quick lichen
@unique scaffold they are broken
They’re not global consumables or provisions. That is broken
safe copper
It’s almost an unfair advantage kinda like cheating
gray iron
Yo what’s up ppl
uncut stream
Bringing in HP recharge is a big mistake. This is just not that kind of game. As to why - consider they let players vote on giving Maus 60km/h topspeed, I am pretty sure lots of voters would say yes.
twilit crystal
hp recharge isnt coming
unique scaffold
It’s been said in other channels it’s not coming
uncut stream
Ok well, Reactive Armor is just as silly and it has the same effect. And historically it doesn't belong on the British at all. It is an Israeli discovery and it is almost exclusively used on Russian tanks. All western powers have abandoned the concept in favor of technologies that are not harmful to others nearby - it fits the Soviet doctrine of neglecting ergonomics and survivability in favor of minimal silhouette and cost per unit.
uncut stream
Call it Chobham or Dorchester or whatever but certainly not Reactive Armor
unique scaffold
Your really dumb ain’t ya every country has thought of using ERA at some point
summer mortar
Whats all this? Hp recharge? Why would they add that? Hp is an integral part of the game...this isnt COD.....hp regen wont work here
unique scaffold
They tested it but I have no other info on what else happened but it’s not coming
@quick lichen giving them to single nation isn't broken , I would like to see every single tech tree having its own consumables
noble siren
@unique scaffold this is bad idea, we don't need consumables like this. This is not Mad games
quick lichen
@unique scaffold go play mad games and stop ruining pubs, ratings and comp
distant river
@unique scaffold also if you are going to ruin the game with these useles consumables then add them all at once to maintain slight balence rather than make one nation/line super OP until the next lot comes in
unique scaffold
@noble siren @quick lichen @distant river oh my XDDD and that's a triggered bunch of ppl XDDD I doubt anyone thinks the British TDs consumables are op , so why would the heavy tanks consumables be op?
winged barn
"I doubt that anyone thinks the British TDs consumables are op"
I hate to be the one that tells you this, but lots of people believe them to be op. @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
I literally have a interesting idea #609379619069624331
quick lichen
Wg nerfed the Charioteer and are nerfing the Conway next update lol. The consumables aren’t the ONLY reason why they are op but they are a reason
@unique scaffold this has to do with tank balance no?
winged barn
Neat, they impact the #tank-balance-discussion
While I wait for the cooldown over there I can complain over here.
dusky oxide
You proved me wrong? Youre triggered! :V
unique scaffold
I would say it here but if it’s a good idea it’s a bad one I’ll drop it
quick lichen
And yeah. People are upset about the changes. How many people that voted on this 1 don’t have a tier x? 2 don’t play tier x? Or 3 have never played the line? Plenty of people who have no experience or business voting on the consumables, voted on them. And it will slowly ruin the game. You’re entitled to your own opinion but what’s the point of mad games if this is the way forward?
Continuing these changes and spreading to more lines will ruin pubs and ratings. It will also cause a dramatic shift in the comp scene. Especially with Twister 5 potentially looming on the horizon
distant river
Honestly it would be great if the top teams in twister all agreed to either only use the 215b or never use the 215b just to show to WG what a mess they will have made.
unique scaffold
I said this in new consumables but this seems more appropriate here How about a special equipment slot for tanks consisting of the same play style IE Some “modern” meds get a unique reticle and better gun stats in exchange for reload time Big heavies get more module durability in exchange for slower repair time TDs that are fast could get a camo and view range bonus in exchange for traverse
more like
wise dirge
I was grinding up the British heavy line and then this stuff was announced, I was like,”Hey, that’s convenient”
A new broken tier 10 for me
dusky oxide
Nothing should get jack all if it doesnt mean sacrificing something. Making all tanks more versatile will ultimately result in less variety.
unique scaffold
@winged barn rn rly? Charioteer ? Fv4005? Conway? And these lower tier tanks? I suppose they haven't played them yet , and just met good players in them
Got it passive tanks are better for the game and totally not less unique
winged barn
I think they are op and I have played them. spall liner annoys me the most makes a paper tank that should be a HE magnet a tank to avoid shooting HE at. That engine boost is complete trash that gives an amazing gun amazing mobilit
To be honest the charioteer was completely broken even without the consumables and spall liner. @quick lichen
quick lichen
@unique scaffold
Please explain
I’m going to get popcorn before you try to defend them
tacit surge
so kv2 will have 76mm pen with CS or without CS also why nerfing kv2 reload too omg,amd i heard that they are nerding kv1s too for some reason ehat will they nerf if its going to happen
kind swallow
Conway was absolutely broken, its my first tier 9 with 3k avg dmg
unique scaffold
Some times
rigid wigeon
Funny that you have to say “twister five ** potentially** looming on the horizon” @quick lichen
quick lichen
Who knows. Nothing replaced mobile masters after amazon didn’t put it on ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lost island
MaUs NeEd EnGiNe BoOsT!1!
visual nimbus
Gotta say, 263 has some pretty crazy AP pen for a tank with a fast firing 130mm and solid armor. :^ scary speed too
crude pumice
WG must correct defensive stats its contain how many times hit from other and ricochet, and think barances fromit
unique scaffold
Just asking does the sandbag armor show up on the tank when your using
silver skiff
there is no French community discord ?
crystal spoke
Not an official one @silver skiff
silver skiff
@crystal spoke okok thank you
If there is french here, ad me 😃
crystal spoke
@silver skiff sorry this is English only the other one is Russian only if that works better
deep seal
buff Vk30.02
wise dirge
The Conway has my highest winrate over 100 battles
young sapphire
@unique scaffold
wise dirge
Convert IS-3 Defender to auto reloader 👌
indigo knot
Like Is3a in PC ....the more the shells you fire the faster your reload is.....lmao
twilit crystal
@indigo knot thats kinda how our m4 works,. The 1st shell has the fastest and the 3rd has the 2nd fastest with the middle one sucking
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold passive is not the opposite of versatile. Youre not correct.
unique scaffold
Is fv4005 getting nerfed , sure i read it is in news
distant river
Nope, conway (4004) is getting nerfed very hard though. 4005 will probably be nerfed soon
noble siren
Hopefully
twin egret
Hopefully never
just wait a few more months, the charts for the FV4005 will drop down a bit
chilly crane
Wargaming realeased a new op line to reward those who paid to buy it, nerfed once the average player got to it, so charioteer got nerfed, now it will be the conway and 4005.
distant river
@twin egret they will drop a bit but not enough to show that it is balenced. That is because it is not balenced.
indigo knot
I find 4005 balanced .....only consumables make it OP....the thing is you reach at the same time as a med reaches and dump 1400 dmg into it and then back off as your team reaches and have your back.... don't forget that 2.1sec interclip too
If they are gonna give the OP consumables then the cooldown time should be way higher like 150sec or so
twin egret
i mean, it doesn't have a fully traversable turret, it's traverse is slower than the Centurion (despite the FV4005 weighing way less as well as having the same hull) big silhouette, no armor, Okay-ish dispersion, bad view range, bad gun elevation and to top it all off, bad HE pen
distant river
You seem to have forgotten that it is literally a better 50b in almost every way
thick rover
You seem to forget it's a TD I'm not surprised by its "better" gun. 50B has fully traversible turret, manlet, hull armour better mobility
grave bear
fv4005 as his current state is actually op 🤷♀️
distant river
When you have 90° of traverse each way the limits are not an issue. The 4005 only has a 10kmph lower speed limit as well as having better hp/t, resistance and travers speed so i dont kmow my you saynit has better mobility. 50b can be easily shot with HE in the sides or rear including the turret but the 4005 gets protection from that. 4005 also has the consumables in case you still thought it was balenced.
thick rover
Lower speed limit that's why. But okay it's relative how you wanna compare speed limit and acceleration
Your first line does not make sense it has an extensive impact during CoD
Ultimately I believe it may be a little better then other tanks but certainly not OP
still panther
@wise dirge and probably the reason why the Conway is getting nerfed
distant river
When you can just easily activate engine boost it has absolutely no impact of COD. Also 90° is plenty enough to get al least 1 clip in and then the red med is either dead or only close to dying if they attacked on full HP
young sapphire
I have a question why SU-100 so easy to ammo rack i can't understand 1 day i see my SU-100 ammorack 2-3 time or more wargaming need to fixed this tank ☹
ornate jay
why my tier IV tank A-20 always joins a tier V tank battle but my tank is tier IV and i always lose pls fix
thick rover
Big assumption
frank urchin
@ornate jay so? Deal with it it’s the matchmaking that decides if there’s not to many players it will either place tier ||| or V| thanks with u
ornate jay
@frank urchin and also thats the reason i dont want to play wotb
unique scaffold
@ornate jay read the pinned messages please. This is not the matchmaking discussion channel
crude pumice
SU85I need HP nerf. too many HP and overpowered canon. it7s not tier5 td. maybe 6
teal olive
@distant river lol how is it better than amx... it has better pen and 180 more clip potential...
still panther
@crude pumice Well for an average player like myself I had 62% over nearly 500 games in the SU85I. So would agree with you that it needs to be slightly balanced. I of course don't play that tank anymore, but I would play the bellow average Pz3 if I were to play tier 3
distant river
Better speed, basically better armour because it cant be HEd effectively, better camo and the stupid consumables @teal olive
distant river
@drifting depot firstly tier 2-3 shouldnt be enjoyable. Secondly its autoloader is getting removed next update
drifting depot
Ok thanks god but WHY YOU MUST PING ME
keen sinew
How to play the Chi-To
cloud skiff
I have idea
unique scaffold
KVs intensifies
drifting depot
Just don't play it 😂 no really, Japanese tanks have horrendous angles and low effective armor till you get to a certain tier :(
deft owl
tier 5-6-7-8 japanese meds are pure support meds. Abuse their gun depression and utilize their good penetration capabilities. I admit they are not easy to drive.
noble siren
Tiger 2 sucks and know one will buy it if is premium
teal olive
@distant river does not have better armor (I’d like to see you HE a 50B from the front) the profile is absolutely huge on the tank, it only has better speed because of the consumable.
cunning kindle
If tiger 2 becomes premium, it'll instantly get buff
Until it becomes op
distant river
4005 has better hp/t, traverse speed and resistance. It only loses out in the top speed by 10kmph. Shooting HE at the 4005 is useless, and often it will splash lowing the damage it takes. The 50b can get the occasional bounce on the mantlet but so can the 4005. The 50b however can get HEd in all of the side and the rear, as well as the side and rear of the turret. It does not have a nice spall liner to prevent HE so it takes a lot more damage. 4005 and 50b both have useless armour but the 50b can be HEd on the sides so it is worse. Both tanks have huge profiles.
thick rover
50B has higher top speed and their hp/t is sinilar
50b gets more bounces than FV4005 on the "manlet" FV doesn't even have a manlet. It's 150mm front turret compared to 14mm
Both tanks have huge profiles but FV has a larger one it's literally a giant box on tracks and is extremely hard to hide
Needing the tank is no fix to the consumables cause those that don't use the consumables in the first place will lose out? If you want to, fix the consumables / provisions
full token
50B gets some troll bounces on the turret too
distant river
@thick rover it has similar hp/t but not effective hp/t because the 4004 has much better resistance values. Their profiles are about the same height. In both tanks you have to expose massively. The consumables should never have come in the first place but seeing as they are here and WG are adding more you need to include those when you balence.
As it is at the moment the 4005 is too good and it needs a nerf. It is better than the 50b which is already a very good tank. It also has the stupid consumables that make it even better.
The stats may be skewed a bit currently but they will not fall far, and definitely not back to a balenced level. They may also rise as they become more common and so they get less focused.
@twilit crystal Having substantially the best average damage and high WR is balenced? 🤔
twilit crystal
Dude its stats are already in a balanced level lol. It isnt being nerfed in 6.2, unless the 4005 starts being spammed like a 183, its not being nerfed. Its about as OP as an e50m currently and it should fall
rustic eagle
Just dont want it to get to the point where every nation and every tank line has these consumables that dont fit the game at all
rustic eagle
And everyone needs to use them to stay relevant
still panther
@rustic eagle A bit like if Russian tanks had a vodka consumable then the RNG becomes larger 😉
lone torrent
I don’t mind the new consumables and can see how each nation having its own set of “special” consumables would overall balance + keep the nations diversified, so that we don’t end up with every nation having the same blah tank as the other nations.
distant river
@lone torrent yeah because all the nations are basically the same 🤦. The consumables are useless and just ruin already balenced tanks.
lone torrent
Im not saying that the consumables cant be over done. Just saying i dont mind diversification
dusky oxide
@lone torrent you can see how fooling around with vehicles' vulnerabilities and strengths would "overall balance and keep the nations diversified". What? Do you realize how hard everything would be to balance if you added another layer of chaos into the mix. Furthermore, the consumables would make tanks more versatile which turn will mean less variety since a TD can be as fast as a light tank.
deep hamlet
Will the DW2 get a buff - it is an awful shadow of it's former self and utterly useless vs tier 5 vehicles now?
slim rivet
It has been nerf for some (good) reasons. So don’t expect any buff @deep hamlet
drifting depot
It's pretty much a tier 4 kv1 hard AS HELL to penetrate by the same tier and almost impenetrable by lower tiers while also dealing a lot of damage per shot :/
fiery flame
@deep hamlet sell it
unique scaffold
@coarse trellis English only.
unique scaffold
Maus needs a buff change my mind
noble siren
It depends on what (for me maybe buff on the gun)
gaunt coyote
@unique scaffold I personally think it could use a buff and a nerf, as in buff the frontal turret armour, but nerfing the mobility.
Just an idea of sort🤔
unique scaffold
It rlly needs a buff at AP pen and frontal armour and i absolutely agree about the mobility nerf @gaunt coyote , the maus it's like the little brother of E100 right now
indigo knot
There must be a reason for Maus being a highest WR heavy at tier 10
unique scaffold
U need skill to play the Maus, that's the reason, isn't the is7 where u just bounce by mistake.Sometimes u get penned by a tier 9-10 AP like u are a Grille, even u move ur turret and sometimes tanks like e100/is4/t57heavy and all the t110 tanks are very hard to pen, even with high calliber equipment,u need to use APCR.I mean yeah they are not meant to get penned by everything and everyone but it's too much for a Maus....i know wg doesn't care about history and things, we can see that in Panther and Tiger 1, but that doesn't mean they can just destroy a beautiful tank
gaunt coyote
Nerfing it's mobility and buffing the AP pen and a bit of the frontal turret armour the tanks damage:wr ratio could become more balanced.
imho
valid nexus
That’s it I got enough. First of all what’s with this community ? You want tiger II premium and Lowe normal tank?Why?It’s not like anyway most here get’s it from luck from containers and even buy it with gold on more tries. You want medium buffed?It’s not enough what you got with auto loaders and mobility? Come on people! Also about Maus. Do you really dare to destroy such tank?What’s the meaning of it then anyway?I know you don’t care about history so much but don’t destroy everything. As @gaunt coyote said , best a buff on ap pen and armour more and make it slower. What are you doing instead? You start to joke about it. I like how this chat is called ,,balance,, but the only balance i see in this entire game is the balance from your accs where are the bunch of moneys you get from the endless random names premium tanks. I can see you don’t care that much about mobile version, you only use it just for getting money from premium tanks. Don’t get mad, you know it’s true. If anyone is mad about what I said, you are free to jump on me but you all know it’s true what I say. Also if you get that message down, be that way but I am taking a ss to prove if you do it and I invite ones that agree with me to do it as well because I didn’t swear or said anything insulting. All I’ve done is perfectly fair, only said my opinion/truth. Wake up people.
unique scaffold
He's right tho
undone merlin
W h a t
lunar niche
Buffing Maus frontal armour is useless as long as it has that 80mm side armour behind tracks.
Angle your hull to make LFP/UFP stronger and expose your weakest part so that you can be tracked and damaged at the same time.
quick lichen
The maus is fine as is honestly
It sacrifices damage for win rate
Dpm and speed for armor
Want a faster maus, get an is-4
undone merlin
@unique scaffold the Tiger 2 doesn't need a buff. It's already a really good tank as it is, and it's a shame to see that people seem to be unable to play it correctly. I've got 300+ battles in it so far and once I learned how to play it (After about 75 battles and several hours of YouTube videos and reading forums) I thought it was a joy. It's one of, if not my favorite, vehicle(s) in the game. If you really want a premium Tiger II you can go and enrich it, I think it's fine the way it is.
quick lichen
Why enrich a tiger 2 when you could have a lowe?
Making more money and is just a better tank
valid nexus
@unique scaffold I understand your view of only way for Tiger II to get buff is being a premium but if that happens this will mess the tier tree between 7-9 where Tiger 2 is 8. Also about Maus right now in comparison with most of the tanks he is not fine. He is suppose to be a Heavy tank that is well known for his great armour. The only reason I know that is because of the great legend but not because of the action in game.
gaunt coyote
@valid nexus thanks for the support on my point lf view, but I disagree with a few of your opinions. Which is fine. But on PC there is also a lot more premium tanks than on Blitz. But I do agree that there is a lot of stuff that I really don't like about Blitz (new consumables, collector tanks, t10 premiums).
So I'll respect your opinion, but disagree a little bit. 😘
ps. All of you, instead of just giving a thumbdown to my idea of balancing the Maus, I'd like to hear your point of view not just tje fact that you disagree with me through reactions. What would you want to be done with it and more importantly why?😇 @unique scaffold @indigo knot
quick lichen
The issue with current tech tree tanks is that there is nothing wrong with them but there is something wrong with new premiums. They are now tier 8.5s instead of being weaker tier 7s.
Chrysler is a better vk 45a
252u to the is3
Mod 1 to the t44
Etc etc
Premiums have been over cooked for years
This is the aftermath of that
teal olive
@iRaikkonen [C8.R]#5070 except the IS4 does literally everything better, lol. I think the maus is just fine.... but I’d drive an IS4 in public and tournament over the maus any day.
quick lichen
@teal olive I agree completely but the maus certainly doesn’t need a buff
unique scaffold
I don't need a faster Maus, i want a Maus with a better armour, a real Maus.I really find the Mauschen better then Maus even if that cupola drags you down.Also " take the is4 " isn't a good response my man.This happens to every tank we want buffed " just take the better version from another nation of this tank ". The Jageroo got the gun buff but still that " cupola " drags you down cause it's penned by HE/HESH...they do useless buffs
quick lichen
What you actually want is for wg to remove calibrated shells
Immediately makes your maus go from a pretty strong box to a very strong box
finite compass
I mean for them to remove calibrated shells is for them also to remove the enhanced armor
lunar niche
Calibrated HEAT/APCR from heavies makes the armour on Maus almost irrelevent if it is not sidescraping. That 2500 HP is the only thing saving it.
dim field
Wouldn't mind dropping $ on premiums that are equal to or below their tech tree counter parts if they weren't so expensive. The lastest vk premium they released seemed alright balance wise but the price was too high
undone merlin
I don't think the Maus needs a buff. It still remains one of the best defensive tanks out there, and I regularly see Maus' holding their own against several tanks and winning. It's a solid and iconic heavy tank that doesn't need anything changed about it to be played well.
unique scaffold
:/
gaunt coyote
I am not saying that the tank is bad by any means. The only thing is that as of rn Maus seems to be becoming like the 183 with the exact opposite issue.
That is the only reason why I presented a plausible change idea in the first place. To make it's damage get up a little bit, but try to get the wr down a bit in the process. As right now the tanks is so fast, it easily gets to the frontline and takes the beating for the team and they get to farm.
But if the tank is slower and able to shoot back properly the wr:damage ratio could become more balanced.
I will also once again state that this is just my point of view and I respect the other opinions. I would just rather not see WG nerfing Mauses armour if the wr starts to get even higher after the change of armour penetration rng change.
😇
winged barn
The maus is there to eat shells not do damage. Only buff it needs is a spall liner.
topaz geyser
Maus is good like that maybe need a better gun
unique scaffold
Jesus Christ...ok it's a 2vs1 i bounced then what can i do?A med get's behind me i'm dead, a heavy i can't pen so i'm dead, a TD can easily pen my front so i'm dead, can't pen cuz the pen on maus it's a joke even with equipments, so what do i do?I get killed by prammo YAY.It's the last thing i say cause the only ones that really understand what i'm saying are @valid nexus @lunar niche and @gaunt coyote.Have a nice night everyone and whatever...a total dissapointment....i come here to try to explain why Maus it's underpowered and i get responses like " get the is4 " and you " want wg to remove calibrated shells " ....well what can i say, i'll go back to my OP maus or better said on my way to the is4, don't wanna be a jerk but both of the is4 and calibrated shells responses were just completely dumb
winged barn
If a med gets behind you, scrape them off and give them a shells worth of ramming damage in the process, if you can't shoot at the weakspot of a heavy then load prammo. Why are you showing your front to a td in the first place? If you can't angle your armor to bounce prammo I recommend finding a different tank
@gaunt coyote if you wiggle the turret at this "perfect angle" you make the grey and red areas flash which discourages shooting.
You can easily side scrape and only have to worry about HE.
Another thing, if they have to spam prammo at you, but you can use ap, you get a nicer hp advantage over them
gaunt coyote
@winged barn the thing is, even at a perfect angle an IS-4 can pen the turret with Heat not even to mentoin the TD's.
Don't get me wrong tho, Maus is not a bad tank imo. Just the main thing about it is Armour and if armour is irrelevant what is the usage of a Maus?
And if you're forced to fight against an IS-4 what are you supposed to do against it if you're both hulldown? Just spam HE and hope for the best, eh?
Nah I'll rather play with a more relevant tank. Like a Leopard 1.
@hot sun Well my idea was not to just buff it. The point was to buff the penetration and maybe the front of the turret, but nerf the mobility.
@winged barn against a hulldown IS-4 using AP? Sure thing lmao. Only a stupid IS-4 driver would let you shoot at his lower plate.
lunar niche
There is no perfect angle against 370+ HEAT. You wiggle and hope for a bounce which is pretty rare.
80mm armour behind tracks. You get tracked and damaged if the shell goes there. AP is guarrented while high pen HEAT still has a chance.
hot sun
Instead of sidescraping out a tank that has high pen heat, tease a shoot out that'll go into your tracks. Y'all forgetting the spaced armor maus has. Also doesn't really need a buff since it already has a high WR smh
winged barn
The maus is my favorite tier 10, yet I am against a buff to it. I dislike the idea of having more broken tanks.
I also love how everyone just repeatedly edits their messages to have a conversation
If a grille is penning you without issues there is a problem with how you play it.
@unique scaffold I have to admit I do get HE spammed about as much as a grille in my maus
nimble zodiac
You’re complaining that TDs are doing their job 🤦♂️ and you’re supposed to use cover in a Maus, you can’t just expect to sit in the open and be invincible
unique scaffold
I'm literally done...just done.Ok Maus doesn't need a buff, just let that " beast " getting penned by every tier 9-10 AP and if u dare to angle prepare to absolutely not be penned by HEAT. Also " just ram " and things like that, we are talking about Maus not is4-is7-t57 heavy, i still think that the Maus needs a buff cause right now it's worse then any tier X HT.
@nimble zodiac i ain't cm.plaining but when a Grille pops from nowhere and just spots you and literally just press the shoot button and penns you without any stress it's a problem for a HT
@undone merlin nah i'm 100% sure that i play it how i should, stats are confirming this but i ain't saying that it's broked or something, it's just hilarious how sometimes in front of some tanks you are a Grille with a worse gun even if u angle
@spiral gulch you ok dude?The HP it's the single thing that makes the Maus a good tank, say that it doesn't have more then 2500-2650
undone merlin
Did you ever consider that the problem might not be the Maus but the way you play it?
ornate sparrow
^^^^^
spiral gulch
I actually think it needs a nerf, an hp nerf, it has by far the most at tier 10
floral solar
thats the whole point of the maus tho
winged barn
Why do you people want to buff balanced tanks to compete with OP tanks? Why would you not try to get the OP tanks nerfed to become balanced?
gaunt coyote
I'll rest my case. This is pointless tbh.
My main concern was that the Maus will have the same issue as the 183 but exact opposite. I tried to come up with a solution to prevent that from happening. Of course most took this as me crying about the tank and that I am not capable to play it properly, but honestly you all can see the WR:DMG ratio in devs_answers. So the penetration buff for Maus would not be a big deal really especially if you'd nerf the mobility.
I personally prefer mobility over amour every day of the week so for me a Maus is basically a big pain to play like most heavies are and I rather pick a BC 25t or a Leopard 1. Only my personal preference.
Good night y'all. 😐
nimble zodiac
If you can’t sidescrape against a TD then don’t sidescrape at all. You can’t sit in the open and bounce all the shots magically, no tank should be that effortless
unique scaffold
Well i'm done for today, i still think that Maus needs a pen and armour buff but that's my opinion, good luck in battles and have fun comrades
@nimble zodiac i think you either don't care what we are talking above or u don't know how to read, @gaunt coyote tells that an a is4 can pen u with HEAT even if u angle or sidescrape, same thing a Jageroo or obj 268 can do.
Anyway this really it's pointless cause everyone instead saying why it should not be buffed just say learn to play and things like that...and we want a good game with a great comunity?Huh, good luck with that
lunar niche
I would rather take a gun handling buff over more penetration and mobility.
The armour is very strong against uncalibrated shells (except TDs) and clueless players. Against good players, its just an E100 with smaller weakspots and more HP.
My main issue with the tank aside from gun handling is that weak 80mm armour behind tracks. The turret face gets buttered by 370+ HEAT even if it was buffed to PC lvls anyway.
valid nexus
I just gave up in saying anything an hour ago, it’s pointless. But one more thing. All of you as I get say that the only reason why people say Maus needs a buff is because they are playing it and you say back to them ,,play it,, better. I am not playing Maus, I said what I said because is the truth and not right. That will make it for your argument of ,,you are not playing it right,,. Good night/day. I am done here.
floral solar
basically the maus is there to anchor down and be a tank. the tank has the most hp and armor for this reason. its balanced by the terrible gun. the maus was built to take hits. shooting at one is exactly wat it wants u to do because while u are busy trying to whittle that thing down, its buying time for more dangerous tanks like tds and autoloading heavies to dish out damage. now, of course in pub games, ur team may not play the way u want them to play, but u can always go and anchor down a lane where u know the enemy will show up. And if u think that the maus sucks becuz it gets penned by tds and heavies, then just imagine something like an e5 getting shot at by tds and other heavies and tell me who's gonna survive better most of the time? tds have the best pen generally speaking in tier x and some heavies have good enough pen on their prem rounds. the idea that the maus gets penned by enemy tds and heavies shouldnt even be used as a point in the argument that the maus needs a buff
undone merlin
^this general idea is what applies to many of the big, chunky, slow heavy tanks.
unique scaffold
Jesus Christ, i didn't said that it should not be possible to pen but the way it get's penned it's hilarious, way too easy for a tank like Maus it's like the third time i say this anyway good night/day everyone
void mortar
As a Maus you have to bait enemy to shoot armored area. Its not supposed to be unpenetrable beast.
quick lichen
@unique scaffold explain #devs-answers please
Usually tanks that lead their category don’t need buffs
nimble zodiac
HEAT is legitimately supposed to punch through unspaced armor in large amounts, if you couldn’t get penned by that then what’s the point of using HEAT?
modern mango
@floral solar tbh maus's gun is one of the best heavy tank guns imo , accurate with fine pénétration & dpm
floral solar
ok but heres the thing @unique scaffold u brought up the fact that ur getting penned by a grille. the grille has relatively high pen (its not the best compared to other tds at tier x but its good enough). and the grille has the most accurate gun at tier x for a td. u cant tell me that the maus is bad becuz it gets penned by something like a grille but then neglect the fact that other tanks like the e100 suffer from the same and if not a worse fate.
thick wharf
maus not unpennable... Just a heavy to take hits while the team does the shotd
olive hawk
@unique scaffold Just a little reminder your strongest armor is on the front of your tank 😃 stop driving out sideways you silly goose
ornate sparrow
This chat is so entertaining
lunar niche
You can't expect everyone to work like a team in pub matches. Otherwise we wouldn't be having all these people complaining about rigged MM in here.
Buffing that frontal flat armour won't make much of a difference as long as Calibrated Shells exist. Heavies and Tds already have 330+ HEAT, why would they need more?
Maus is a bouncy tank even for noobs who can angle a bit. But once the CS HEAT starts getting thrown, they cannot even bounce a shot.
For me, i get tracked and damaged when i push because that weak hull becomes exposed while angling the hull. Thats the only armour buff i care about.
hot sun
Sigh, y'all talk as if the maus performs the worst in the heavy lineup in t10, yet the data in #devs-answers proves that wrong. The maus does its job perfectly fine, and as for heat panning the maus, learn to angle in different circumstances. One angle may not be enough, but an different angle will bounce it. Just learn how to effectively angle.
twilit crystal
also wz 120 gft to every single tier 8 td besides the turreted and the ISU
ornate sparrow
@lunar niche needs over 330 To pen gun mantlets silly...🙃🙃🙃
olive hawk
Silly goose
lunar niche
@ornate sparrow why would i need over 330 to pen gun mantlets?
ornate sparrow
I’m not one to explain my jokes, just messing with ya @lunar niche 😃
peak skiff
Rolling down hill
crude pumice
IRaiko always want explain dev-answer, but 183 is gotten nerf being always worst. explain what it is first.
hot sun
Because the 183 is a bane in wotb. It is an exception to normal nerfs or buffs. It is nearly impossible to make it "balanced"
crude pumice
@hot sun ah, mn, good, but It just gave up balancing. I don't think it's a reason to nerf 183.
If such exceptions are allowed, I can't affirm that tanks with high wintrate in each tier should not be buffed.
The real reason for the 183 nerf is because its existence is not fun for enemy. Then I think it would be nice to hear a buff asking Maus to play for fun.
I think there may be another 10-15mm armor reinforcement in front of the maus turret.
Compared to is4, the operation is too severe and it can be convinced that it is boring except for advanced users.
flat bane
Lol no ok
rocky hill
sweet briar
KV2 needs to be buffed, it says it can pen 144mm (using AP shells) of armour but can't even pen a 100mm...😡
crystal spoke
@sweet briar none of the guns can pen 144mm with ap and the 152mm has 110mm pen which is effective armour not direct armour (the other guns standard pen is 30mm and 167mm effective)
warped anchor
I think a buff to the cdcs dispersion will do it justice while on the move/turning the tank, should be buffed it doesn't make sense for a 90mm to have .14 dispersion while turning the tank,while other tanks with much better armor and bigger guns have better handling while moving
sweet briar
also maus line starting from Vk 100.01 (P) needs to be buffed or repair costs minimlised.
twilit crystal
^ yeah I don't get why the cdc gets paper armor + garbage handling
sweet briar
Its just not worth it
sterile lichen
The maus line was fine, also don’t get the maus Chen second engine
fiery flame
@sweet briar it’s getting nerfed next update 😊
sweet trellis
ティア10のオススメ中戦車教えてください
sweet briar
@crystal spoke well why not say ''effective'' armour thickness or ''effective'' penatratrion and for when viewing the tank you should be able to see the EXACT effective armour thickness stats on the actual tank, like what Warthunder has, but make it simplier.
hot sun
Wot and wotb expects players to know the effective thickness of the tanks they play, you should be happy that blitz has armor highlighting instead of a target indicator to tell if you can pen a shot. A simple 5 minute check of any tank via blitzhanger can help you gauge the effective armor on any tank. (Or just do some guessing it's easy dude)
dawn plinth
Why are the shells of some tanks insanely expensive? An example is the batchat AP 100mm AP shells. Each cost over 1k so you barely make any credits and usually always lose credits playing it
full token
I made more credits in that tank than I lost
noble siren
For me the Maus only needs gun buff so he can make better damage. I know this tank is supposed to take the damge from the enemies so your team would be safe and they make the damage instead me, but when I think that I only get reliable teammates when I play in platoon with my friends. There's no use to buff its armor because people will always spam gold ammo because it's easier and more effective than aiming for the weak spots. Giving the Maus a little better gun would make him capable to survive in 2vs1 situation (If you know what are you doing with the Maus). That's what I think about the Maus and I would like to see what do you think?
hot sun
Perhaps a gun buff if it was a low performing heavy, but as of rn it performs quite well. Giving it a better gun would just make it more powerful.
unique scaffold
@noble siren a buff at the gun it's a great idea but that's what i said last night for 10 times but who cares?The conclusion it's that the Maus doesn't need a buff and those like me who play the Maus and ask for a buff are just noobs that don't know how to play so GIT GUD friend cuz we ain't gonna see a buff, i saw someone saying it needs a nerf at HP instead of a buff.Have fun exlaining why in the name of Jesus Maus needs a buff cause i'm done trying to do it
full token
Maybe you can ask what the players are doing to get such stats in the Maus as shown in #devs-answers, and find out why they don’t want it buffed anymore?
hot sun
The maus does not need a buff, as a few of you have mentioned, its primary task is to be soak up damage so the team can out put damage safely. It also holds the highest WR out of all the t10 heavies. Simply put, its user error, not the tank sucking if it doesn't perform well.
cunning kindle
Maus wont be buffed just like the batchat wont be buffed
If it does get a buff, the ppl who r already good in it, will just dominate every game
So yes if u think it needs a buff u probably need to git gud (in a respectful way)
noble siren
You make good points and I can see why it won't get buffed but it's not like i suck with it and I need to get good because 60% WR and more than 2k average for a 50% player is pretty good. All I want is a little love for this beautiful tank. But If you don't want it to get buffed ok, just saw above discussion about buffing it and offered a buff which will actually be helpful. Btw @unique scaffold you need to edit because they will warn you
dim field
In a game where people have 100k+ games. 10 losses in a row happens from bad luck or lack of skill. It would be way too much effort for wg to purposefully create an algorithm to specifically target an individual player to give them rigged mm
As for the maus, I dont have enough experience with it to reasonably say whether it needs a buff or not. Seems the stats say it's fine but i don't know for sure.
crude pumice
I agree with @unique scaffold because I think it's a matter of course to decide whether to buff based on the winning percentage.
The idea of winning percentage cannot explain the 183 Nerf.
However, I want MAus to raise defensive power, not strengthen your gun. Maus is a tank based on the concept of defense and weight.
full token
@unique scaffold They’re not banning the ‘truth’. They’ll probably do it for what you said about the mods here..
cunning kindle
I can name more than 3 tanks that cud do with some buffs,
121, give it better on the move dispersion but reduce its dpm just by a tad bit
E4 give it mobility and decrease armor just a little to differentiate it from e3 and kind of make it in line with the t30
Stb, its getting a buff so eh
E100 ( controversial ik but it just succs now)
Is7 but knowing wg, when they buff it, they'll probably overdo it
Imo is7 and 121 are the tanks that need a buff asap
Another thing why tanks like batchat maus wont get buff is that they wud affect comp too much (berhaps?)
183 got nerfed bcuz it was unbalanced not op @crude pumice, theres a difference (having highest avg dmg but lowest wr is very unbalanced)
hot sun
183 nerf was done because it had negative impacts on gameplay at t10. as I've mention many times in this channel. the 183 is literally an exception to normal nerf and buff procedures. Buffed it, it shatters t10 gameplay, nerf it, 183 campers light a fire and demand a buff. It's a legit mess.
unique scaffold
@crude pumice i said about gun because sometimes u can barely pen another HT or even a TD, yeah it would be great to see a buff at frontal armour but everyone say that it doesn't need one just angle and git gud.You perfectly said Maus is a tank based on defense and weight, but how you can see right now you do more damage by ramming then shooting and get more penned then u pen, it's just broken, this it's what the "Mighty" Maus is, a broken tank
hot sun
legit, the maus only has a small square lower weak point and the weak spots on its cheeks. As an experienced maus driver, never go out in the open, rely on hard cover, and if you know the reds are aiming at you DONT SHOOT! Focus on side scraping and angling and wiggling the maus to entice shots that'll bounce. And for the "don't shoot if reds are looking at you" What I mean is they're already pre aiming to hit your turret cheeks or your lower plate, when this happens angle your turret to an auto bounce angle and slowly reverse out (if your sidescraping) and entice bounces. After the reds shoot feel free to fire back. Would show you a replay but my verbal skills weren't all nice in it.
hushed fox
And that is some great Maus advice guys, listen and learn what he just explained. He knows his stuff.
noble siren
@hot sun if you think that the only weak spots are the cheeks and the lower plate you dont know nothing. You literally explained what a new player with Maus will do. Congratulations for the "GREAT AND ADVANCED" advice very cool👌👏
hot sun
😂 😂 😂 😂 y'all make me laugh, to me rn I just hear peeps whining about maus and nitpicking small things about it, it's a perfectly fine tank
supple jolt
The tracks are weak when angled
void mortar
Is4 needs buff
crude pumice
this game is not only h2h. so maus are weak from many enemy, it's right. but not so good at h2h. it's maus
hot sun
@noble siren would you like to indulge in how well you play the maus good sir, and your general playing skill? (Or just give me your ign) You talk like you know mad stuff, can you back it up?
In order to have skill one need good knowledge, in order to have good skill one must use that knowledge correctly. (Which I see might be lacking in a few)
thick rover
Comparing skills =/= Knowledge of Game
But a relative gauge, fine
hushed fox
Sure is quiet now lmao 🤠
noble siren
Just said that you literally told nothing new about the way you play the Maus don't trun this into "I hAvE 60%rW Im BeTtEr ThAn YoU". Maus has a very hard play style because of the "60%WR ammo shells" lol lmao😂🤣😂🤣
hot sun
Lel, it's simple advice that works wells. If y'all can't manage that then how can you even move onto more "advanced things" Aw man 😂 the maus has a very simple playstyle, more so than other t10 tanks. Lol looks like we got a peep who doesn't want to use pramo, dude pramo is in the game for a reason, it's not a "insta win round". If you refuse to use pramo, that's on you. Your essentially handicapping yourself. Aw man this channels a blast.😂
crude pumice
it's unacceptable. not simple.
It ’s amazing to say that tanks that are forced to operate looking away and looking at their unguard timing to shoot.
The design that exposes maus's weak point when maus shoot an opponent is crazy.
unique scaffold
Discuss vehicle balance here. This isn't the place to complain about matchmaking or moderation.
jade cargoBOT
Se7en#2735 was muted
indigo knot
Buff Leo1 ....turret traverse(second slowest turret traverse among meds at its tier) and aim time(2.5 sec fully equiped like 121b) or turret traverse and DPM
Fv4202 also needs aim time buff ....a tank with trash turret has the worst aim time among tier 10 meds
crude pumice
now is hard tank era. tanks which can reduce dmg are strong.
Leopard 1 is not suitable for game design but weak. let's buff it.
blazing bronze
I Hope World Of tanks Blitz Add M41D Tier 8 Chinese Premium Tank 🙏
drowsy bridge
SU-152 HE has too much pen (89 mm to be exact) it needs a Nerf like kv-2
nimble zodiac
No, just try and avoid or dodge SU shots, the reload is long enough for the TD and its damage. It is meant to kill you quick. And @crude pumice blame the germans for their design, the Maus needs some weak point on the turret because it would be invincible without a weak spot on the turret
indigo tinsel
It already has weak spots on the turret
unique scaffold
indigo knot
@drowsy bridge it is 86 ....yeah su152 can be broken when facing tier 6s but it also faces tier 8s
unique scaffold
That’s toxic
civic scaffold
I think the KV-1S need to has more dpm.
I mean, almost all tier 6 HTs have like 1800-ish dpm
slim rivet
Lol. Nick and suggestions are coherent
jade cargoBOT
Game_masters_nl#1978 has been warned.
weary cove
comes the europe tech tree update 6.2 or not?
indigo knot
@civic scaffold not every tier 6 heavy has got ability to almost 2 shot tier 6 and take 80%+ HP of tier 5s....it is ok currently
civic scaffold
I don't understand,
the KV-1S is a tier 6 Heavy tank,isn't it?
(I'm a new player so I don't know much about the game) @indigo knot
weary cove
yea that's right it is a tier 6 with stock tier 5 gun and best gun is a tier 7 gun @civic scaffold
civic scaffold
But the KV-2 has more dpm, even tho it is so derpy
hearty steeple
True but kv1s is better in every other aspect. More than enough ap pen for tier 6, better mobility, better gun handling than the derp gun on kv2 and 8° of gun depression. Kv1s is fine as it is, it doesn't need a dpm buff
amber forge
Will the STB-1 buff make a noticeable difference? Enough, say, to re-buy it rather than getting the T62A?
soft kettle
Plz buff tortoise and leopard 1 and fv4202
craggy kayak
buff wz 121
distant river
Leo and 4202 are fine and tort is balenced.
What we really need to talk about is the Foch 155 being made stupidly good. Now it will have even better armour, it will still have speed and it will now have a clip as well as better dpm. It was also already a very good tank. WG must have been high when they thought of this
unique scaffold
Better armour how lol
thick rover
Hahahaha
dense perch
Why is the kv2 being nerfed ?
crisp palm
Cuz is op lewl
forest berry
@distant river the foch is not that op
dense widget
I don't get why they're nerfing the least accurate gun in the game to be worse
tacit socket
Ikr
distant river
@forest berry foch is a good tank. It is not OP but it will be.
@unique scaffold the cupola is getting buffed
tacit socket
the HE on the kv2 is all that tank has to it’s name. It’s like cutting the armour on the MAUS; or reducing HP for the bc25..... it’s unnecessary. The only reason this is being done is more pandering to nubery. Kv2 one shots are the worst (says the guy that drives out sideways in front of one....then sits and waits to think and strategize what to do next). Nerfing the kv2? Why stop there I mean nerf the smasher if you nerf the kv2. I mean the smasher is even better than the kv2. also pls don’t ban me I’m just being honest and this is my opinion so plsssssss don’t get offended
unique scaffold
Being able to penetrate it with HE frontally is dumb
@tacit socket I'm referring to Foch 155
harsh oriole
the gun buff for the german tier 8 made me happy
tacit socket
@unique scaffold That is true but what else about the tank is good? Other than the fact the pen is good on the gun nothing else about the gun is good. The armor? It’s less then mediocre. The speed? Less than mediocre. The aim time? Bad. Reload ? Bad. And if we nerf the kv2 why not the smasher yes the smasher is at tier 7 but that’s only 1 tier up and the smasher is better because it’s at tier 7 so essentially their even for their tiers. So this makes me wonder if there nerfing it because noobs keep complaining. Again just my opinion so don’t be offended please. @unique scaffold oh
unique scaffold
Noobs aren't the one complaining. Based off of what I've seen "noobs" are overwhelmingly the ones who are playing the KV-2.
The way I see it is that WG is trying to keep new players from uninstalling the game after playing a bit. New players make their way to T5/6 pretty quick and don't quite understand that sitting in front of a KV2, sideways, is not the greatest idea. But even with a nerf on the HE rounds, KV2 still keeps it 152 mm gun so it's not like they r ruining it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tacit socket
Thats a good point I just feel like there may be a better way like some how making tier 1-3 slower. there’s a bunch more I want to type but I’m to lazy so I’m just going to leave it at that
spare notch
NERF IS 4
old summit
nerf church gc its too op
noble wasp
When will we be able to sell garage slots? My cuz spent all my gold on slots i dont need..
stiff vale
@spare notch nooooo ım rushing OS4
full token
@noble wasp You’ll never be able to. Also, this channel is for balance discussions, not that.
deft owl
Kv 220t buff is offical now. That tank obviously needed buff tho.
clever musk
I don't get why you still want these consumables wg, most players said they don't want it
river tendon
Please get news legendary camo fore jg pz e100 🙏🙏🙏
dark stone
…
grizzled sleet
Only thing I could really ask of nerf wise on the su152 would be a spee nerf, not traverse just forward speed
unique scaffold
I don’t like your name @grizzled sleet
hexed shale
when will be able to restore the tanks like on the ru server?
turbid nacelle
Buff t32 gun
round sundial
Yeah, T32 atm is so much worse than T34. Like, if they meet at the cliff, what can T32 do? nothing but trade really
olive hawk
It's funny how everyone expects tech tree tier 8s to be able to compete with all the prems
warped anchor
The only thing the t32 needs is just a dispersion buff .37 for a 105 is not good.pen is not the issue its the bad dispersion,Pretty sure the t32 has the worst dispersion on a heavy that doesnt have a +120mm caliber gun at tier 8
unique scaffold
If you can’t hit your target pen means nothing
grizzled sleet
Why cuz it's true? @unique scaffold
dense perch
How ? How is the least accurate gun in the game op ? It’s when players drive in front of it stop and wait for there brain to process there next move that’s not op that’s players being stupid, just nerf every tanks while y’all at it
grizzled sleet
Wrokg it is more accurate than a 50% crew grillw
full token
Doesn’t need that buff
cunning harbor
You should ad a gift store, it was there a 1 point, put it back. I have a freind that cant get any premium tanks and I wpuld like to give him pne at one point.
unique scaffold
@cunning harbor I don't think it's coming back. It was abused. If you want to get your friend a tank buy him a digital gift card.
cunning harbor
@SpartacusDiblo [¡¡¡]#7879 I would but he cant even by gold, even if he had the money, his store is broken on his account I've seen it first hand and I don't know how to fix the problem and I can get a picture of what it said, he posted it on my discord server.
modern rapids
@cunning harbor I wanna see
rigid wigeon
How was it abused? @unique scaffold
modern rapids
Charge backs?
modern rapids
I'm sure it was people gifting people things then doing a charge back
cunning harbor
steep mist
FOCH 155 is OP?
cunning harbor
@modern rapids There this is his acount and what it shows when he tries to buy gold, and the gold he has on the pic, is all the gold he got at the start and the 50 free gold per day thing, and I am also a big fan by the way, and he dosent know where the settings are to fix this
unique scaffold
I think he needs to start with his googleplay settings.
empty hawk
Checked my Google Play settings, didn't give me anything I could see to fix it, may have something to do with there being no money on my account.
cunning harbor
This is the guy by the way, and its on a timer rebel
modern rapids
Send a ticket with the above screenshot
vague pine
WG Said they won’t nerf premium tanks, but why they going to nerf the American tier 5 premium and tier 4 premium?? <@&481447501690568709> did they changed something?
quick lichen
We don’t work for wg
unique scaffold
WG never said that and we don't work for WG.
Lmao imagine pinging mods for something they don’t know
huh? who said nerfing Tier 4 and 5s?
Wargaming is pretty much ignoring the lowtier area as its not generating much income, nor is it competitive meta
I mean it took them 7 months/updates to figure that KV-1 is utterly broken with its armor against the hardcore nerfed tier 4s that had their pen decimated often by over 20mm
frigid sky
Are u sure American tier 5-4 premium are being nerfed (I haven’t heard this before)
unique scaffold
@vague pine please show me where Wargaming stated that they won't nerf premiums.
distant river
@steep mist atm its just a good/very good tank. The new gun gives you 2 shots as well as better dpm which is just stupid. Also its cupola (which was already super troll) is going to be getting a buff so it will be OP next update.
steep mist
@distant river thx bro
obtuse sparrow
A
cunning harbor
Is It true that there adding a mix line with Finland, Poland, Sweden, and Italy? I heard they were.
vague pine
@unique scaffold well. I don’t know. I just asked. And sry for tagging but I can’t tag the WG role. I mean when I watch some videos of some YouTubers like DezGames, the often say wg can’t nerf premiums🤷♂️ so I thought this is the same in blitz
unique scaffold
The EULA allows WG to adjust anything they like in the game.
It’s not that they can’t it’s the backfire they’d catch
frigid sky
I have the Foch it’s okay but not great (worst reload of eny tier x 155mm, no gun dep , bad aim time and dispersion , and 1 of the lowest pens for a td)
The premiums that can’t be nerfed are the old 1s like is6 , drac... cause they wore real prems not just enriched tanks (they could still nerf it if the really wonted 2.
Dpm will still be worse then 268 ,263 ... and the cupola buf isent massive just 15 mm I think
distant river
@frigid sky it has speed, armour and a 155, there had to be some downsides to make it balenced. However 2 of those (cupola and dpm) are going next update so balence is out the window
uncut stream
The modelling of HE damage totally sucks, best seen on the KV-2 against any other tank and say the 183 or JgPz100 against Leopard 1. Maybe noob players prefer the KV-2 but if you see better players that might never get spotted (Copperfield) and hit 3.5k at 300+ meter distances then the gun is not bad enough and the HE damage/shot is too high. I personally also think the HESH and HE shots need to be capped at a reasonable damage limit - 75-100% of any tank they may encounter is simply too much and degrades the game severely to the point it becomes Sniper Fury.
tall ridge
Thx guys
median gust
Yes. The font is diffrent from regular tech tree text
pictures are from WoT as well
distant river
@uncut stream the problem is not HE modelling, it is the alpha. 640 and 960 alpha does not belong at tier 6 and 1300 alpha does not belong at tier 10
faint pewter
New German tank. $55 just for the tank. $65 for tank and camo with all 9 equipment slots
obtuse sparrow
Lower the price and it seems reasonable
rigid wigeon
Seriously, how was the gift shop "not used correctly"? You can DM the answer if you want @unique scaffold
distant river
New account, complete tutorial, free 1.5k gold, give it to your main, profit @rigid wigeon
hot sun
Well they should bring gifting back. The tutorials now give you like 300 gold.
unique scaffold
Hi
dusky bay
hi
hexed shale
when will be able to restore the tanks on the ru server?
nimble zodiac
Can’t you just file a ticket for that? We can discuss this in #general-blitz-discussion because this isn’t the place for that @hexed shale
placid carbon
hey devs i was wonder since the gun on panther m10 is getting a pen buff does that mean standard panther will get a pen buff for the stock gun since they the same?
dire lake
Hi All,
fiery flame
@placid carbon no
dire lake
Just curious if it is possible to add artillery tanks to the field of battle? I know they are more long range but maybe you can adjust the range accordingly based on the size of the battle field. I think it could work. What do you think?
dim field
No artillery. Maps too small and it's only a 7v7. They'd be either op or get slaughtered too fast
opal geyser
I believe they would have to balance the field out to 8v8 in order to add 1 arty for each side. Let alone map size issues.
unique scaffold
yeah 4005 needs nerfing ,sooner the better!
tacit socket
Why the negative vibes how about instead of nerfing everything we buff everything... lol
thick rover
Nope
mortal wasp
Exasperation, 12 straight loses, it seems no one loaded out their tanks tonight
stoic light
The kv2 was cancer, it had no purpose other than to troll
stable flint
But why nerf the Kv1
opal geyser
It is said that after the patch where they reworked all the lower tiers penetration they failed to realize that the kv-1 armor was too thick for most the other tanks to pen. It is just a 8 month oversight.
fiery flame
Literally nothing at tier 4 can pen a slightly angled KV1 right now @stable flint
tacit socket
@valid tendon exactly
fiery turtle
Disappointed that Italy is being lumped in with the new European line. Italy has enough tanks in WoT to deserve its own separate nation and line. The European line should have been Poland, Czechoslovakia and Sweden.
odd sandal
they could treat the kv1 in a way where they get matched up against equal tier tanks or higher, kind of like how lights on pc were treated a tier higher
indigo knot
I was just thinking the Foch as it is now .... wouldn't it be OP with reinforced cupola and high DPM autoloader gun.....a perfect bully to tier 10 meds
Last thing meds needed was a TD running on steroids....
visual nimbus
I’d think so, especially with that juicy speed and all
full token
@frigid sky The cupola buff wasn’t just 15mm added:
flat bane
W0ahh screw E50m I want foch now smh
wise dirge
Load the gold, and the entire front plate is easy pen
unique scaffold
When yhey gonna nerf fv4005, its too fast with too fast a reload
meager spruce
@wise dirge not when you are a medium. Now foch 155 will become an obsolete medium hunter especially with the new gun
thick rover
FV4005 is fine imo
wise dirge
Very few “poor players” have the 4005 so odds are you are seeing a pretty good player
dull river
Just get Gud wargaming
frigid sky
Ok I was rong cupola buff is not just 15mm , but still name any tier x or ix that can’t pen 180 mm (about 200 effective thickness).
Btw the tier ix Foch has better dpm,aim time,dispersion than the new auto loader (it’s reload is less than the intra clip reload on auto loader) and yet I don’t see anyone complaining about it...
deep pike
the new gun will make the foch 155 more well decent i guess??? or just probs be more competitive
grave bear
@frigid sky lmao because its 640 alpha dmg and not 400
plus nop, tier 9 foch has 3450 dpm, foch B with autoloader has 3600, but its also 640 alpha
hot sun
Some um, how bout a more reliable turret on Amx 50b :3
unique scaffold
@hot sun There is only one prototype... and it has these statistics and armor
deep pike
noice
unique scaffold
How about increasing more ammunitions for t57 heavy. Very often I ran out of ammo in this autoloader. Moreover, it has the lowest ammunitions capacity in all autoloaders in the game
crisp palm
Idk about you but i never had problem with ammunition regarding to t57.....buff wz-121 tho
noble siren
Foch's weak spots(the range finders) are broken change my mind
full token
I’ve not played against it yet so I’ll not say it’s broken. But 180mm is lower than the pen on tier X guns, but not very sure about the effective armor when angled though
unique scaffold
I need to check it's effective armour again?
distant river
@valid tendon KV2 deservers a much bigger nerf than 10mm of HE but apparently that is all WG has thr balls to do so they dont upset the noobs who actually play it. The KV2 has always been a problem and the 152 will continue to be a problem until it is removed. Lower tier premiums deserve nerfs because otherwise they will be stupidly OP compared to the trch tree after 5.5. This will just encourage more sealclubbing which noone likes.
cunning kindle
^
verbal sonnet
The KV2 is the least of the issues with the tanks in the game.
unique scaffold
Wrong @verbal sonnet
runic beacon
speaking of issues, the luchs traverses slower than a LOWE
cunning kindle
Kv2 isnt getting enuf nerf, it still has that one shot factor
Su152 shud get nerfed
boreal burrow
I hate grinding towards tanks just to watch them get nerfed, like the newest British tds
zenith zenith
Fck this Foch buff seriously
verbal sonnet
@unique scaffold okay, that is your opinion. I would say there are many tanks that need a nurf more than kv2. Like the smasher for example. That just means you need to pay for OP tanks.
tiny gale
Issues with high alpha tanks comes from engagements with them is one sided, including kv2, su152, smasher, 183, etc
issue is less people need to get good or people are villains for playing them comes down more to there isn't any real counter play to them outside of hoping rng favors you and not them. How do you balance something that is meant to do so much damage that you are not meant to be able to trade against it but use it's long reloads to push into in pubs which is often not reasonable to do unless you watch him shoot because of poor communication in pubs.
thus why you don't see many tanks like ur kv2's and 183's in comp issue comes down to you can't really angle to them you either hope they miss or hope you don't die and pray you have enough dpm to just kill them after pushing in
Fun to one shot a guy not very fun when you are the one being one shotted needs to be more of a middle ground
imo kv2 needed a nerf, but so do many other tanks with that playstyle
@cinder gyro Sadly the community cries when you nerf prems, so is sadly unlikely just because something is also broken doesn't mean you shouldnt fix something that is, you can have two problems and still solve one before the other
cinder gyro
For me smasher needs a nerf not a kv 2 because smasher is a sideskirt, armored 200more damige kv2 im just sad that people cant keep distance but rush mindlessly in front of their guns @tiny gale
frozen vine
I know this is off topic, but I don't know where else to write it.
~~Why RU server have better support? ~~
That means, why the Russian server can restore how many tanks you want? No matter how many of these tanks will be in a year
zenith zenith
They'll give him better cupola armor and a better gun wtf is this stupid game
tranquil knot
Finally matchmaking fixes for trolls and noobs
tiny gale
With balance is either two focal points and ya need to pick one, balancing around the best players of said game and letting the meta's they make trickle down or by balancing by the "average player" is why we seen for such a long time that meds went from being super meta ie twister 1, to less impactful roles after that as WG chooses to balance around the average player so you need to keep that in mind when looking at tank balance. So with Wargaming being stuck on we won't nerf prems and the community and cc's who usually just shit on new prems that aren't op and won't buy them or forced to make really strong prems which will always be problematic because the community want's it cake and to eat it too, if you don't want op prems then buy more average prems and sub average prems or allow wg to nerf prems to have a healthier game. So that's the issue with the smasher people play a lot of kv2 wg new most people wouldnt just buy a premium kv2 at ter 6 agains so need to move it up a tier and make it op to sell them as why buy a worse kv2 at tier 7 when the tier 6 one is free @cinder gyro
cinder gyro
@tiny gale sadly this is the truth
jade cargoBOT
i eat salt#7724 has been warned.
fiery flame
I think that the new foch probably will get nerfed in the future, all would be fine if they didn’t touch the guns dpm but now I think it might be too strong
boreal burrow
How much exp we need to upgrade to foch clip?
quick lichen
60-65k is my guess 😶
small sorrel
63,200 Exp
craggy kayak
The barrel "12.8 cm kanone L / 61" from WT pz.IV needs an improvement in the time of reloading I think
olive hawk
🤣 why would you even use that gun when theres the 150
gaunt coyote
@fiery flame don't worry it is Foch with even worse accuracy so it will miss EVEN more often 😂 So thank god it has 2 shell clip so at least one of them manages to hit the enemy 😂
I have played with it and you'd be surprised how many shells it misses even as of now@fiery flame
craggy kayak
Because I find it unfortunate to have 2 guns and privilege only one because it is better than the other, it's not like the conway that his 2 guns are excellent.
fiery flame
@gaunt coyote I mean I’ve never played the tank but it can now become very affective at the yolo
distant river
@craggy kayak the 12.8 isnt supposed to have good dpm. It works better than the 15cm in some situations but the 12.8 is much less versatile. Both guns can work but the 15cm is better unless you are a camping moron. The 12.8 is balenced how it is now, but its design makes it much less useful
grave bear
so funny that foch will actually look like a gun with 2 different alternate reloads other than an autoloader with 2 shells.
you do 1 shot every 16 seconds and 1 shot every 7.5 seconds.
arctic edge
They should just do nothing with the KV-2. KV-2 is a troll tank and gets mostly matched with other troll tanks, so of you want to have some troll action instead of always the skill based matches, then take this thing. Tbh it is extremely easy to take out a KV-2 if you block the shot of it.
full token
How do you avoid an HE shell not doing 400dmg
placid carbon
I think the panther gun stock deserves a pen buff if the panther m10 is getting one it's legit the same gun
unique scaffold
Hello how to reach wargaming for sponsorships?
crisp palm
"Kv2 is a troll tank and gets mostly matched with other troll tank"...nice meme
covert dagger
regarding the announced rebalancing measures in update 6.2...: I have no problem to penetrate a KV-1 armor with a well developed Tier IV. So why wg will nerf this tank? Seems like a late result of low tier "rebalancing" at the end of 2018? And: reducing the rear armor from 77mm down to 57 mm is imo mutch more than "a bit", That´s a huge intervention regarding this tank. Side armor nearly the same.... especially because I don´t beliefe that this tank will have a better manoeuvrability after this measure. The only strenght of this tank is his armor (until today). The only thing you are doing is taking the edge off this good tank. And it may be mutch harder to play this tank against tier V-VI in the future (ARL 44, KV 2, VK 36.01 H etc.).
distant river
KV1 is stupidly good for tier 5, it deserves the nerf
neon grail
yeh
covert dagger
@distant river than the BDR G1 B too - that tank isn´t much weaker than the KV - 1 today 😉
graceful garden
a lot tier 4 tanks cannot pen the kv1 even in the side, it deserves the nerf. while it probably shouldn't be 57mm (maybe like 62mm), i'm sure WG has their reasons. the only thing i hate is that it'll encourage 35% wr noobs to camp at the back even more because "no armor lmao" but luckily the new mm system should help. @covert dagger
also, the armor nerf will lower the artificially boosted winrates, which helps out the new MM immensely in putting noobs in the "noob queue"
distant river
@covert dagger BDR does not have the armour of the KV1. It is a good tank but not OP like the KV1 us now
covert dagger
@graceful garden - these are arguments but in real matches these "noobs" are dying even in the KV-1 as we have in game today. There are tanks with powerfull guns, very fast tanks too. And the KV-1 is one of the strongest tanks with uge armor - ok. But why from 75 mm down to 57 mm - that is pretty mutch imo. But we´ll see
graceful garden
@covert dagger I agree with the armor - see above post (i think 62mm side should be balanced). But the nerfs will help weed out noobs from better players with the new MM coming out. Right now, a lot of Tier 4 tanks can NOT pen even the upper deck - they can only pen the KV-1 from the back. Therefore, you can perform well enough in the kv1 as long as you aren't some potato who can't breathe and think simultaneously (too bad those people always end up on my teams 😦 ). And the turret armor is still remaining at 110 mm all-around. The KV-1 even has more armor than its tier 6 (edit for clarity: RUSSIAN) counterparts, but is matched one tier lower 😐
mild holly
If he had bad side armor the weight are lower. If the kv 1 now faster??????
covert dagger
@graceful garden - agree with most of your post. But KV-1 has not more armor than its Tier VI counter parts. Take the Vk 36.01 H for example in best cases it is "comparable" not counting angled armor like that of the mighty ARL 44. 😃
graceful garden
@covert dagger I meant its tier 6 russian counterparts. KV-1S has less armor, KV-2 has same hull but less turret armor. sorry for making that unclear
noble siren
Did they "balance" the new gun on Foch
distant river
Hahahahahhahahahahaha nope
It still has better dpm as well as a clip but if that wasnt balenced enough the buffed the cupola
full token
They did increase clip reload time iirc (from what it was in the livestream)
mild holly
Are now kv 1 faster?
austere fractal
Why does the mod 1 feel like it’s been nerfed
full token
@mild holly Nope
distant river
@austere fractal more prammo spammers at tier 8
covert dagger
@mild holly - guess not
mild holly
That's unfair
velvet patrol
anyone else not like some of the "balance" improvements?
distant river
I think every person with a thought for the games health dislikes the foch buff so...
mild holly
U now not much armor fast.....
velvet patrol
after update 6.2 they change kv 1 armor is worse.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold English please
rigid wigeon
Not going to answer my question? Cool. @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
What's the question
jade cargoBOT
davidha5(🌟1050×)#6551 has been warned.
boreal burrow
When will the Asia server end maintenance?
drowsy plaza
@valid tendon Premiums need to (or at least should be) be nerfed for balance. OP premium tanks hurt game health.
All OP premiums do is make tier balance a farce and power creeps tech tree tanks.
distant river
@valid tendon so wz120ft shouldnt be nerfed? WG can do what thy like to any tank, no matter how much you paid for it. KV2 has always, and will always be a problem because 640 alpha cannot be balenced at tier 6. Even worse than that is 960 alpha with great pen, especially at tier 6. All it does is encourage people to sit at spawn and wait for someone to move, then they can ruin their day. The KV2 literally contradicts everything blitz is about. The KV2 should have become a collectors with the 152 removed in 5.5 but the amoumt of idiots who play it kept it in the game. The majority of noobs in 183s ruining tier 10 got most of their habits from the KV2. By your logic a 152 at tier 1 is balenced because it prepares people. KV1S prepares people for alpha without ruining game balence.
nimble zodiac
But that strength was too exploitable
distant river
Its ethically wrong to make everyone who didnt buy a ridiculously expensive premium tank have to suffer because WG cant balence things properly. It isnt hard for some people to take out a KV2 or 183. I just about read up to "KV2 emphasises everything blitz is about" and i laughed. Blitz is about movement, the KV2 is the opposite. Blitz is about fast paced games, the KV2 just encourages camping.
nimble zodiac
High alpha guns shouldn’t one shot you in tier VI, that shouldn’t happen as often as it does. Nowhere in high tier will you be one shotted unless in case of a high alpha fire or ammo rack, I’m fine with AP in KV-2, it was the shell you were supposed to use until the HE pen was found to be high. If you don’t like the KV-2 nerf there’s always the 107mm 😂 and the 107mm is a very high DPM gun, it works to the Lowe, same pen relevance but in tier VI @valid tendon
distant river
"blitz has never been about movement" lmao thats great
Anyway back to actual sense for a moment, the tanks WG sell can be buffed or nerfed at any time, there is nothing saying they cannot do that. With camera equipment for example there are issues of false advertising etc. The people who suffer are often people who fun the game as well. I have spent my fair share on this game and I avoid tier 8 as much as possible because of all the balence. You seem to think that optionally spending money gives you the right to have better things than other people. This is wrong. Prems should offer increased credit earnings but be worse than their closest tech tree tank. They should also be unique so they have a selling point. Blitz is literally a game centred around movement. People camping spawn is not what blitz is about. People camping spawn is what the KV2 encourages. If you dont want movement then play other WOT games, but blitz has a definite focus on movement and tactics. The KV2 can easily 1 shot many tanks even with the equipment (and the fact special equipment needed to be added to combat 1 unbalanced gun should tell you something). Also many new players you find at tier 6 have no idea about equipment, and can often not afford it. The KV2 works fine with the 107, and removing the 152 is the best thing WG can do to balence tier 6
nimble zodiac
Outplaying your opponent isn’t about sitting there with the capability to one-shot people, that’s just a game spoiler. Blitz is supposed to be fast paced and somewhat chaotic, the KV-2 prevents that. Even then be grateful the KV can still one shot light and medium tanks, the KV-2 could pen the lower plate of KV-1S with HE, that’s not right. Nothing about the 107 is bad really... it does higher than average damage, has a pretty quick reload for it, and can almost guarantee a penetration with good accuracy to support it. The T-150 would’ve fit the line better other than name 😓
It’s not easy for grinding but it is easy to pit some money into the game and skip to the world of skill, let the KV-2 use the good 107mm and get through to KV-3, if you don’t like the HE nerf then you can be fine with the fact you can hit them for around 300 without effort. I’ll be glad I won’t have to deal with losing most of my HP in tier VI when some more than half can only be taken in tier X
distant river
@valid tendon they advertised it at a certain price for certain things. Amazon and WG have different policies, especially on changing characteristics of virtual good in a virtual game. You cant just say that the KV1S should angle and buy equipment because firstly that cant happen in every situation and secondly people should not have to completely change their approach to a game because of 1 unbalanced tank loved by noobs. Players at tier 6 are generally helpless, and they should be encouraged to learn not ruthlessly 1 shotted by a spawn camping sealclubbing noob in a KV2. If you remove the 152 then suddenly the amount of noobs wantinb the 183 will decrease. This means less people rushing up lines to get another unbalancable tank and ruining another tier. Without the 152 people can play tier 6 in relative safety without worrying that every mistake could kill the instantly. That makes tier 6 more enjoyable for new players and so it is more likely they will not rush up as fast as they can and will actually learn. (Also its funny how everyone who tries to defend the KV2 cannot stay in a discussion after there have been several good counter points made against it, and has to leave for one reason or another)
twilit crystal
also tier 6 is a great tier for new players to learn besides the kv2, Another problem with the kv2 is the broken balancing done around it. Look at the stupid arl 44 buff
quick lichen
@valid tendon ditch the Bernie pfp or you will feel the bern
unique scaffold
@valid tendon
Get
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Picture.
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Figures.
uncut stream
For one I don't understand the golddigger argument in relation to the KV-2. KV-2 can be obtained and fitted with HE without ever paying a dime. On top of that, it is not the noobs playing KV-2 that worry me, but the (Super) Unicorns getting the 3.6k+5 kills/battle results, preferably without ever being seen because of strategy or pure luck the KV-2 can hide well behind some heavies left and some lights right (depending on the map, like I said, especially Copperfield) and, well, never get seen but dish out the equivalent of say 8k/battle at Tier X - which I yet have to ever see being done at all while I have 12k battles+ at tier X. That said, even though the 183 has a hard time to get the 8k+5 kills/battle, it is especially overpowered (yes, by a good player, shooting the right shell) frontally at a Leopard 1 first and foremost and to lesser extend the BC (the latter has ridges and angle differences better than Leopard 1) but not any other medium (except if they show their rears, but that is a mistake by itself). All you have to do in a Leopard 1 to run that risk is to spot hull down over a hill or around a corner - which isn't a mistake at all and should not be punishable by a 75-90% oneshot (1560/1800=87%). So, my complaint about HE modelling before pertains first and foremost to the ability to do 75%+ damage oneshots against the turret or frontal glacis of the Leopard 1 which shouldn't be possible and to the 600+ damage and oneshots of the KV-2.
quick lichen
@valid tendon this isn’t a debate
open spindle
no
balmy zenith
Can the hull armor of the FV201 (A45) be buffed?
drowsy plaza
Why? Use the gun depression
void depot
Hello, is there anyone who can connect? Because I don't.
jade cargoBOT
Keo007!#4794 has been warned.
jagged dawn
So how does the kv2 need to be changed?
nimble zodiac
It will have the HE penetration nerfed a substantial amount, but it can still penetrate lights and some meds.
uncut stream
So it is not enough. The damage/shot is the problem, not the pen. Same for the 183, which gets an unfair advantage against the especially light armored Leopard 1. All this does is push the KV-2 further away from the typical heavy side frontline, force better players to take it to flanking positions for shots on sides/rears and make it pick on lights and weaker mediums more often. In fact I don't care so much to see it shoot a heavy with 1.2k hp for 400 as I do for seeing it oneshot a 900 hp light. What is needed is either a nerf of the damage/shot and/or a serious reduction in accuracy while fully stabilized to make distance shot hits (near oneshots) much more rare.
unique scaffold
Buff amx 40
jagged dawn
Ok true
nimble zodiac
AMX 40 is a really competitive tank, no need for a buff. At least the 183 deletes a bit more than half HP with HESH/HE, and doesn't rid you of almost/all of your HP like the KV-2s HE, the KV-2s AP does about the same damage ratio to tier as the 183s HE/HESH
unique scaffold
^^tru ig
teal pumice
pls KV-2's penetration power up
uncut stream
I just gave you an example of a realistic damage I've actually seen the 183 does and it is 87% of the hitpoints of a Leopard 1 without Improved Assembly and it is not even the absolute maximum the 183 is capable of. With Improved Assembly it would be a mere 80%. If I am correct the maximum is 125% of 1300 or 1625 hitpoints wich translates to 90%/83% without/with Improved Assembly. And a Leopard 1 with 10/7% hitpoints is a tank destroyer unable to make any action anymore for all intents and purposes.
unique scaffold
gay
twilit crystal
im sry but its pretty dumb to get by a 183 in a leo /batchat. I think I got hit twice and one of them was a p urpose end game yolo to farm dmg
teal pumice
I'm waiting 17m now
near wing
I'm not sure if this is a bug but the bp takes full damage from he when they hit the turret roof? I was reversing down a hill around 40 degrees sloped hill at that and a t34 85 shot a he rpund at my roof doing full damage and killing me? Also about the current topic, derp guns
Should have a high dispersion even when fully aimed, a long load time, and a weak he shell, the he shell should only be able to penertrate maybe 47-50 of armor so you can still hurt lights and meduim tank rears
/also why doesnt the bp get the same turret as the console and pc version?\
toxic jay
Kv2 nerf be like 😩
cerulean agate
yeah but the point of "derp" guns is having bad accuracy
changing the topic, three tier8 meds, Panther II Sta-1 Pershing, are they left forgotten, unfavoured by the playerbase?, or just powercreeped? thoughts?
loud kernel
Panther 2 is trash. Big, not so armored, gun has weak alpha and penetration, slow speed and sluggish agility. STA is fine, no armor but good gun depression and great gun with good dpm and pen. Pershing is a panther 2 with a stronger turret and gun depression
small sorrel
FV215B 2415 HP
Conquer 2130 HP
Caernarvon 1840 HP
BP 1670 HP
Lol
wise dirge
OP af
indigo knot
Foch is OP
The reason to play 4005 gone now
I take that back....i still love 268 more
teal olive
Can two shot a paper tank in seven seconds... 😬😬
nimble zodiac
Well the FV can HE three shot a tank in about the same time given a second delay between
charred radish
WG ruined the M5 Stuart by removing the autoloader. One less fun tank to play, not many left in this game
crude pumice
M5 ruined tier3, nerf is must needed.
visual nimbus
I loved M5s auto loader 😭 it was the only tier 3 I enjoyed after 5.5 that and the locust
uncut stream
@twilit crystal I don't think running the risk of being hit by an 183 is necessarily due to poor play at all. There are many reasons and situations even to accept or even seek that risk already in the current situation where its alpha damage is totally outrageous. It is fine to take serious damage if the result is to make 1 or 2 kills. But for example shots from say the far corner near A at Dead Rails to some impossible peephole at C and loose 90% of your hitpoints while you drove forward to start killing a medium is seriously ill and unsportive play in my opinion. Especially frontal or turret hits should just not be able to do that ever.
twilit crystal
lol im sry but the camo is actual trash now, Even a bush won't save it
weak spindle
Tbh, camo nerfs just make people camp more
Even if it is rhetorical, and is definitely not the intention of the nerf, it is basically what happens
near wing
Buff panther 8.8? Like rn whats the purpose of its existence, the awful panther 2 is a better tank
pallid pewter
The new Foch overloaeder is too op
thick rover
I believe so but I'll need to play a few games and meet it to make fair judgment
lost sinew
Why Smashers weren’t nerfed to the ground like charioteer?
loud kernel
The new foch autoloader gun is too OP
runic estuary
@loud kernel Excuse me, Panther II trash? Hold it right there. The gun is perfectly normal damage for tier 8 (220), German accuracy and penetration are also good. As for the speed, it's average, and you can block many, many shots if you go hull down(with, by the way, great gun depression) , widescreen, or just wiggle the hull. The P2 is kinda like the LÖWE, just traded out some armor for speed
@loud kernel exactly. Just wait 2 seconds more for 2 shells instead of 1 on the Foch...real problems for me in my tier 10s
TBH I think this is a bigger problem than this FV 183 incident
indigo knot
Nah ....I still prefer 268 over Foch...
Foch gun handling is very bad
Though a foch platoon can be disastrous
crude pumice
panther2 is good. enough to play. but it's german tank. need some technics if u ride it.
deft owl
Lol panther 2 is garbage. Its big, slow and armor is bad. Gun is good but crappy apcr pen is let down. Thats why it has such low overall winrate.
indigo knot
Panther 2 is garbage....
loud kernel
Panther 2 gun has good aim time and some decent dispersion. But it is still not a laser. Plus the fact that it is so big and easy to hit, it becomes a dmg farm. Turret is also an easy pen unless hitting the curved side or the manlet. Indien pz and pershing are just better panther 2, but more gun dep gives them flexibility while retaining a similar gun
round sundial
Panther 2 is among the worst, if not the worst T8 medium tanks for reasons listed above.
crisp palm
Maybe...buff wz-121 tho
unique scaffold
Ive bounced a few kv2 shots in my s p i c, over the years, so why nerf it if a nub like me wasnt scared of it, many many times I bounced its shots in my vk-M- angled, moving, side to side etc
noble siren
Wait they made Foch's autoloader OP? Why they cant put something OP for the Germans too jeez. Will they actually put something balanced in this game?
thick rover
Can I confirm autoloader gun has better DPM than standard
unique scaffold
nerf kv 2 i just get a 900 dmg :/
foggy crag
Why didn't buff chieftain??? I hope UK Goldtanks Buff
dusky oxide
Kv220t :)))
weak schooner
Why there is no nerf for hybrid nation tanks like for example smasher, dracula, helsing, lupus, etc? These tanks make game more unbalanced.
unique scaffold
They never nerfed a premium tank... is about money...,just money.
fervent otter
Uhh, no buff / rebalance for HT premium tier 5 Excelsior?
crystal spoke
They didnt say they were going to give one 6.2 so why would we expect one this update
But if you think about it with the kv1 nerf now every t5 tank has an easier time in game not having to fight such a strong enemy
weak schooner
yes they nerfed premium tanks like first hybrid Tankenstain, KV-220, IS-3 defender, IS-5... THey are nerfing every year at least 5 premium tanks.
dense yoke
Most smasher users i meet shoot randomly at my tank 300 at most.
noble siren
It's funny how sealclubers are now complaining about kv1 and kv2
fleet stump
And still no M4A1 alpha buff. From 310 to 350. :/
fiery flame
@stark swan censor names
distant slate
When will the game evolve to allow players to see the teams win rates of players in game ?
full token
It’s unlikely to happen, as it can have a negative effect if that information is available while you’re still going through a battle.
neat sonnet
Winrate with the kv2 drops from 87%to 71% the nerf sucks so bad that the tank is useless
quick lichen
Dang. I guess you can’t seal club in it anymore
tacit socket
Yeah lol. Honestly I wouldn’t mind the nerf if they made the aim better then they did maybe it’s just me but you know...
unique scaffold
I think it should have been nerfed more ¯_(ツ)_/¯
quick lichen
Just run calibrated and it basically undoes the pen nerf
That’s what everyone did for the t49
unique scaffold
Only reason they nerfed it is because give it a couple weeks smasher will be on sale
rotund bison
Someone else who is thinking that foch 155 needs a nerf on its autoloader gun?
thick rover
Me
distant river
@rotund bison almost everyone thought that before it was implemented
fleet stump
Smasher need a big buff
fiery flame
Yeah the new Foch is kinda broken
unique scaffold
Smasher should eternally be bottom tier. Change my mind.
crude pumice
maybe, foch155s gun is overpowered, renerf need
narrow peak
Jpz e100 need a buff
distant river
I wish there was a channel where people could actually chat with devs about the new "balence" that is going to be added so WG can actually see what the playerbase thinks rather than just basing it of polls full of random people who have no points to back up their decisions, but i guess it would be too difficult to get 1 employee to read a discord channel...
warped anchor
Jg pz e100 is fine,buff it again and it becomes broken.
past cape
@distant river the military honour system exists for that exact reason... "There must be a way to stop people complaining about other players using the support ticket system........."
@distant river yes, that's my point. Reading support tickets = man hours. Implement useless system, influx of support tickets reduced. Job done.
distant river
Firstly MH is completely useless as everyone knows. Secondly did you actually read any of what i said? @past cape
grave bear
WG; Nerfs the heaviest tier 9 ht mauschen's hp pool from 2k to 1800 cuz is unbalanced
Also WG: Gives 2075 HP to a tier 9 heavium
noble siren
obviosly because its German duh?
sinful flame
Hey when is the update coming out on the Microsoft store for windows?
hard temple
So when do the new tanks come out??
sinful flame
the new tanks might come out next patch...so that's like next month i think (?)
full token
If they’re still in testing, it may not be next update
regal thorn
Nerf on Foch auto loader gun
jade cargoBOT
jackolope#4095 has been warned.
visual nimbus
Why didn’t they buff T95E2’s cupola? 🤔 59 Patton already had that extra degree of gun depression now it has a tad bit more cupola armor. and getting a legendary camo 😢 @thick rover E2 is the tier 8 medium. Basically a mini E6
thick rover
What's the T95E2 supposed to be good at with the E5 around? Wait is E2 the tier x collector? Or E6 T_T
indigo knot
I hope Foch is nerfed in the next update ....man everyone is yoloing in it especially if your in tier 9 tank
uncut stream
The military honor system is broken - red thumbs don't work. Guess it was too much of a trouble to follow up on it and hand out penalties.
graceful garden
is it too much to ask for a small buff to the challenger? like at least increase the turret traverse a bit?
dense yoke
Yeah foch is like a tank that when you see you gotta run from it
smoky yoke
@visual nimbus which came out first, T95e2 or 59 patton. Plus I hear that there might be a type 59 patton event
jovial sorrel
There is a patton event coming out
vague pine
Yos. Well at least I have to say wg made very nice events in the last few updates!! I like it!!
rotund bison
Nice one.... the new matchmaker got me ( 56 %and 1200 avg dmg, 4100 battles) with all those morons in 300 battles and 250 avg.... WTF WG
dense walrus
@vague pine eh they are ok. rewards are meh and the structure is a bit copy-pasta, but i do like how they based the last one on damage, not xp, making it less team dependent. it was pretty simple
azure bay
congratulations on ruining the kv-1 and kv-2, now they are good paper weights... kv-1 is just useless, so many tank you could modify like the m6a2e1 exp its way more OP for tier 8 than the kv-1 or kv-2 are for their respetive tiers
dim field
Exp perfectly fine. It's enormous and has paper sides.
dense walrus
and weak turret and its a premium. nerf the brit heavies
drowsy plaza
Exp is far from OP.
indigo knot
Kv1 was most OP tier 5 for ages...
dim field
Does it still have the best armor in tier 5 or has it been dethroned?
dense walrus
At-2 for pure MMs maybe but for effective use still kv i think
meager spruce
Kv1 was a monster with the armor and the gun. The nerf was needed badly and thank God WG realised that. I won't talk about the KV2 nerf as I have 700+ battles in it and I am not the one to judge.
fiery flame
Kv2 should’ve been removed from the tech tree instead of the t150
pallid pewter
Foch 155 too op
weak schooner
Nope
distant river
That much dpm + clip + armour + speed is balenced? Nice joke @weak schooner
remote snow
It really aint op you can pen its "armor" if you want to call it that and you can easily circle it @distant river
light plume
@fiery flame yes you right the t-150 should replace the kv2
junior prairie
@distant river Same u can say about obj 263
weak schooner
@distant river
That sounds like you want to have every single tank to have same DPM, armor, angles, speed. This has to be simulation of tanks which were in real battles. Do you think that the soldiers were saying that tank is OP, you gotta stop and nerf it?
distant river
@remote snow very strong main plate with tiny lower plate and stupidly troll viewfinder is bad? Even if you do have pen on the main plate it still has a huge mantlet. And the foch is fast and can turn well, as well as being able to take 1200 hp in 7 sec
@junior prairie 263 has lower alpha and no clip, but it is still a very good tank which could possibly do with a tiny nerf but we know how good WG is at slight changes. It also has a much larger lower plate and and a mantlet that prammo can pen easily.
@weak schooner if you read my message as that then you need to read it again. Tanks should be different to each other but balenced. This is also a game so i have no idea why you are trying to compare it to real life
slim rivet
I really like the new version of the foch. It fits my aggressive play style well. Even though I wish foch to remain as it is, I have to admit that’s it’s OP
remote snow
@distant river it doesn't turn well at all even with 100% crew also its side is waffer thin so atless for me Its balanced
junior prairie
@distant river But obj 263 has 3855 dpm compare to foch 3336dpm.
wise dirge
A platoon of 155 can delete a Maus in 7 seconds, and have trollish enough armor to bounce shots and the mobility allows it to run away quickly afterwards
distant river
@junior prairie 263 does not have 640 alpha or the ability to do 1280 in 7 sec, and much more with HE.
@remote snow Basically the same as the 268 and 263, and 75mm is easily enough to angle when you have that strong a front. Currently the only balencing feature is its weak side and rear armour and lack of turret, everything else is great. Look at the WZ120FT and that is basically the same, except foch trades travers for an even better gun
undone merlin
The Foch's gun is insane right now. In my opinion it's just about rivaling the FV 4005 but for the most part seems to go unnoticed. Glad people are talking about it, and it's not completely overshadowed by the Brits.
smoky yoke
fv4005 has a bigger clip loader, since its basically a fv183 clip dmg of 1400 dmg seperated into 3 shells. If you get them to be 500 dmg each its 1500 dmg but that's rare occasions , great when you get butt shots with HE , which brings it up to 1800 dmg, but that is the difference of having armor and not having armor
gaunt coyote
**
Buff 183**
Debate GO
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ashen rune
😦
bronze zealot
Can the T95E2 have a Amor buff. There is a weakspot know as a cupola but there is not any Amor so people just shoot the turret cheeks and the hull can be pen by everyone at tier 5-10
nimble zodiac
That’s how americans work... just go hulldown and wiggle, if they hit and pen your cupola, props to them
noble siren
Fv183 doesnt need buff dont change my mind
flat bane
Fv 183 standard AP role should be 1.200, and the max HESH role should be 2.500. This should balance it in all aspects. 😂 👍
@quick lichen it was obviously a joke oml.
quick lichen
@flat bane go play pc and leave blitz alone
distant river
How about for 1 update you give it 10 alpha for AP, 13 for HE, and see how much better tier 10 is 🤷
You have a poll before and after, with only people who voted in the first poll able to vote in the second
nimble zodiac
With a reload of .1
spare lichen
Has the stug been nerfed?
unique scaffold
Now the M5 Stuart has no longer a magazine, huge modification on it, because thats make him really weaker against pzIII and BT-7, thats fine like this in low-tier
unique scaffold
Any dev online? My big problem in blitz!
fiery flame
@unique scaffold wrong channel
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold submitting a ticket to customer support will be the best way to get your issue resolved.
I submiting 13 ticket and not comment and anyway! I is steam version running blitz! I click the play button. AND 1 minutes later blitz is crashed is again and again
Submit one ticket and then patiently wait for a response. Bumping your own ticket will cause a delay. Spamming the support system will cause a delay. Annoying the support staff will also most likely cause a delay. Just wait.
smoky yoke
@unique scaffold Somes like some corrupted files . Uninstall shut down computer and start it back up and reinstall. see if that helps if you didnt try it already
fringe parrot
Has a 113 buff been considered?
unique scaffold
So here is what I think about the new MM, ten battles- tier 7 - all with a team of only 3 players in a clan - all other 4 rushed in and died early- enemy teams had 6 or 7 - usually 7 in a clan 10 losses straight -every battle the same - fair? No Mm only fair for experienced one sided team all in a clan every battle- why?
vague pine
@fringe parrot why? It’s a very strong tank.
fringe parrot
It feels kinda pointless in Blitz since there are little to no chances to use the front of the tank properly. And due to the slow turning speed and weak sides it is also terrible in sidescraping...
vague pine
@fringe parrot this tank is not meant to be played in sidescrape or anything else. You can sidescrape but not as effective like an is4. You need to play it hull down and chase Mediums down. You have excellent speed and a gun which is one of the best heavy tank guns in the game moreover your turret is very strong as well as your front plate. It’s not like an is7 or e100. It’s a mixture of heavy and medium. It’s not without a reason a quite popular and good CW tank.
grave bear
meh..... wz113 can sidescrape well, has a pretty weak frontal plate and is7 is heavium as well. correct yourself
regal thorn
Nerf Foch
Too op at this point. Ruins the point of having the FV4005
unique scaffold
T54E1 should but buffed to 320 damage
fiery flame
@unique scaffold why?
unique scaffold
Bring E 50M's top speed to 55kph instead of 60kph. Every other medium tank when seeing this tank a) kamakaze them or b) go hull down with 8 degrees of gun depression has to run, so nerfing it's speed will make getting rammed by an E 50M a little easier. This would also help give medium tanks like the T62A and Obj. 140 (which are way lighter) a better chance to find a position before an opposing E 50M does. I have always seen E 50M as a heavy medium tank.... which it really is so to me it makes no sense to have a higher top speed than both Russian medium tanks.
cause its too weak against t54 and cent and
twilit crystal
ramming is hardly a concern for why the e50m is op lol, It just needs a 2-4% nerf in every category
loud kernel
E50m cannot reach its top speed quickly unless going downhill. Just look at tanks-compare.blitzstar.com to see how much worse e50m's power/weight ratio is when comparing to all other tier 10 mediums. Its terrain resistance is simply the worst.
indigo knot
Just nerf the DPM of e50m back again and it will be fine
lost sinew
Kv2 nerf is fine as is, but Smasher is still cancer (especially in toons). That pen should be nerfed same with gun handling/reload. Or make it always play vs tier 8 tanks (even though some pen numbers are better on it than Tier 9 tanks 🤦♂️). As a collectible it’s fair game.
cerulean agate
Foch155, its a bit overcooked, not too op but almost there, nerf down the autoloader from 3000dpm to somewhere 2750-2800, the thing is a bit too good. And the single shot, its hopeless without the rammer(for those who use it)
nimble mountain
Why nerf the E-50M? Is a heavy medium, it already lacks turret and lower hull armor and has led dpm than Leo
full token
Leo has no armor at all
winged barn
The point of the leo is to have a good gun. I sure hope the e50m has less dpm than it.
meager spruce
E50M has armor, has mobility. Has a good gun too. It has gun depression and a nice turret to go with it. It has spaced armor on the sides making it able to sidescrape against meds and lights. Also it has a great power to weight ration meaning if it rams you you loose 500 hp minimum. The only problem with E50M is the big profile that sometimes makes it bulky to hide. I don't really see how this is balance compared to a Leo or STB
junior prairie
@meager spruce Do you even understand the purpose and difference of e50m , stb 1 ,leo. How come you comparing three different tanks.?
flat bane
Maybe because all three are mediums ¯_(ツ)_/¯. He's just comparing the E50m, a med, to other meds.
frigid sky
For all those people saying “omg the foch can do 1280 damage in 7.1 s” remember that t57 amx50b can do 1200 in 5/6s and fv4005 1380 in 4.2/6s. And there all more accurate and have turrets making it easyer 2 get the shots of.
distant river
@frigid sky you missed the facts that the foch has much higher alpha so it needs to expose less, it is also fast and has good armour. It was already a good tank and WG broke it (a very rare occurrence). The autoloader should have less dpm than the main gun, as well as having a longer intraclip but that would just make it like the normal gun. I have no idea why people asked for an autoloader for the foch because it is literally asking for a broken tank. The gun cannot be balenced without taking away its unique qualities so it should never have come to blitz.
frigid sky
It already has the longest intra clip of any tier x , and say a red tank peak round a house in a different autoloader u can get around 2 shots of before he pulls back in Foch only 1 , the Armour is not that great the front of the tank has a good upper plate but both the hatches are penable and the lower plate the rest of the tank is a giant weak spot...
Don’t get me rong I think it’s a great tank just not op
grave bear
e50m is fine
its right, its good in every aspect, but except one, very important for med tanks.
its stupidly HUGE. as big as a medium-big sized heavy.
if e50m is not exactly as it is now, why would i even use it?? its fat and has awful acceleration speed, its the worst med tank to do circle of death or side hug with.
unique scaffold
T110e5 has no chance with potential tier X vehicles
slim rivet
People focus on e50 and Foch which are researchable vehicles and seem to forget to complain about the mk-pay2win-6 🤔 @indigo knot u are absolutely right about the t22. Thing is u rarely see t22 while mk6 is largely widespread (226 vs 4200)
indigo knot
You forgot about T22MED...which is the definition of P2W at tier 10
grave bear
@slim rivet lmao whats the problem with mk6? its a perfectly average balanced tank.
Paper lower plate and autopen sides, it has slow top speed for heavium, one of the worst gold pen for hts, full paper cupola, useless everywhere except in hulldown, where u struggle to pen other strong hulldown tanks due to bad gold pen, and plus your turret is easy penned by 335+apcr or 340+ heat shells if u know where to aim.
i see nothing broken in mk6 🤷♀️
fringe parrot
@grave bear try fighting a E 50 M solo with any tank that is not a E 100. It's impossible because of the strong turret, the unreacheable lower plate and the fact that the E 50 M can crank out HEAT.
Edit: Unless you manage to hullhug the E 50 M sideways.
Edit2: You can't reach the turret in most tanks.
cunning kindle
turret of 50M isnt strong unless ur playing a med
And even then it's pennable
grave bear
@fringe parrot fun fact: E50m can crank out heat like any other med tank, its turret can be ENTIRELY penned by 335+ heat UNLIKE any other med tank and plus lol its frontal turret plate is like 266 effective and 290 in hulldown
plus, Emh? unreachable lower plate? learn to aim or what?
its like the biggest and weakest lower plate out of all tier X armored meds, maybe excluding t62a.
And then, why "e100" ? lol? any other heavy tank has enough gold pen to go trough its turret
fringe parrot
@grave bear You shouldn't have to use gold ammo to pen a medium. The E100 has the heigh to reach and hit the turret effectively. If you drive any other tanks that are slightly lower than the E 50 M you aint gonna pen threturret nor the lower plate in a 1v1 scenario. The E 50 M (as already mentioned) is usually going to kamikze dive bomb or hug you from the front so you can hardly do something against it.
Edit1: The T-62A has a paper hull. Thats not a problem for a team that has atleast one player who flanks. Btw thats what i meant with turret --> the cupola. You cannot reach it when you are in one of those tanks that are slightly smaller than the E 50 M.
Edit2: Sidehug is impossible because of the mobility and weight of it.
grave bear
@fringe parrot you're not always in facehug, you know?
you can also aim for the cupola or lower plate, plus thats how Henschel turrets works, not penetrable by standard ammo but ez pen for golds
so, what about t62a's turret? super hard hit even with 370 heat pen.
if you cant do nothing against it its because you're playing wrong.
everyone knows that e50m is med tanks eater and goes for ramming and face hug. its up to you to play in your own tanks' strong spots, u cant ask for a nerf for every tank YOU cant deal with. when you see e50m just side hug it and use goShammn gold rounds for the turret like everyone does, they exists for that.
meds are supposed to bounce standard avg shell pen and be ez hit for golds, while heavies are usually hard hits even with golds, thats the difference.
unique scaffold
WG...I think you might have broken the STRV.
deft owl
Nah its fine. Its still slow and lacking elevation and depression. It gets the buff it needs.
frigid sky
E50m lower plate is the same size as t62a upper plate...
noble siren
Bruh E50M is fine if you want to nerf something nerf tanks like Foch
noble siren
I have an idea WG can u make this indicator which shows the WR of my teammates so I can if it's worth saving one of them?
indigo knot
E50m needs a nerf ...just a little ...rather I would say buff all meds ...they have been out of meta for long....Heavys dominate and so do the Tds
visual nimbus
Gotta say those STRVs are little monsters at times now,
drifting depot
Dunno bout y'all but the is2(1945) needs an armor Nerf lul, even with apcr on ma hellcat the only places I can pen him are the lower plate and the commanders hatch lul, some random guy did also just absorb all of my teammates shots even people in the same tier but it may just be because it's made out of stalinium🐒
round sundial
To make a joke like this, you need to say a complete BS, this is only halfway BS as some newer players may think you are being serious 😄 In case you are being serious indeed, I have nothing to say😂
marble grail
STRVs r too slow lol
smoky yoke
@visual nimbus Picked it up am seeing no one playing it other than me thou. Playing to 100 right now. Had this is my garage 3 years now. From christmas event
unique scaffold
Clipper ability with standard medium DPM... Yeah the Strv is a bit overdone now.
languid shuttle
What do you guys think about t44-100?
crisp palm
meh
grave bear
strv was trash before, it has awful mobility no armor bad pen and bad accuracy, its okay to be autoloader with same others dpm
unique scaffold
I liked it before the buff. Seems op to me now
It's my highest (over 100 games) WR tank.
smoky yoke
I would agree the strv was not so good before buff @grave bear That's why I didnt even play it much. Since I started after the premium meta. @unique scaffold Can you really say that tank was good with the currect meta tanks. No elevation , no depression, slow to run , slow to accelerate. Mediocre penetration. They overdid it now but lets admit the tank wasnt really that good before. All these new premiums and tech tree buffs
unique scaffold
I ran 70% with it before the buff. I felt that it was perfectly effective if played correctly. It's mobile enough to get to where it needs to be without being so fast that it gets itself in trouble.
I think in the hands of someone who knows how to play a clipper the tank is going to be devastating now.
grave bear
imo it just reached average good tier 6 prems levels like crom b and sentinel.
unique scaffold
Not as good as the Brom better than the Sent... In my opinion.
smoky yoke
@unique scaffold You are right the buff is overdone. I had 70% in the tank 2 years ago. Played it on my alt got 60% in current meta but I have better stats in it just I couldnt carry as hard and my skills now can run circles around 1 year old me playing this game. In both cases the tank wasnt my cup of tea for some reason
frigid sky
Wg should buff the fcm50t worst tier8 med massive mediocre gun and bad armour
distant river
Its a balenced tank 🤦
quiet vale
What I wanna know is why you guys decided to buff the Foch which was already a solid tourney tank.
distant river
Because clearly it was underperforming and desperately needed a huge buff
noble siren
so its now overbuffed?
distant river
Just a tiny bit, you will see if WG ever release the charts of this update
deft owl
@unique scaffold Strv was a worse amx 12t before buff. Worse gun handlings, slower, worse penetration. It needed buff.
Althrough Amx 12 t nerf was idiotic imho. It wasnt close to being op.
unique scaffold
Well based off of my performance in the two tanks I'd say the STRV was good and the 12t was a smidge op.
queen mason
I kinda think the kv-1 didn’t need a gun nerf for the 85 mm, in my opinion the 8.1 second reload was okay but putting the gun’s reload up to 9.1 seconds is not cool. The gun feels sluggish now and has quite low dpm for it’s tier also with the inaccurate gun it makes shots hard to hit and then wait 9 seconds to reload after each shot.
deft owl
You sholdnt take your own performance to determine tank overall. Amx 12 t wasnt performing better then any other tier 6 light.It was a good light tank i admit but didnt need any nerf. Vk 28 was a always a better light tank imho.
unreal lodge
Its not the tank its the skill that the person has
bronze zealot
T95E2 amor buff you know give the enemy's a reason to aim at the cupola
onyx lily
Is there any plan to nerf the foch with its current autoloader gun?
quick lichen
Not currently
distant river
"As I said before we are watching for statistic. If these tanks really OP, we will make necessary changes." from rexy which basically means "no let it ruin balence for 2 updates then we will nerf the previously balenced tank" @onyx lily
grave bear
if you get put in newbies mm but you have 28k+ battles you should have some problems
drifting depot
Everyone should spam "Nerf smasher" till wargaming confirms a Nerf for it😂
golden wasp
Watch us get banned.
Spammers: worth it
queen mason
I wasn’t talking about the armor on he kv-1, it’s the gun. It’s sluggish and kind’ve meh now.. it was a 8.1 second reload but now it’s a 9.1 second reload which I don’t think it deserved really.. I understand wg did this to nerf and ensure that other players can kill the tank and it’s still decent but the tank (imo) will suffer from mediums in tier 5 because of the fire rate.
drifting depot
@golden wasp yea, it would be ABSOLUTELY worth it if the kv2-omega got a nerf I mean the smasher
slim rivet
If u deleted the game, I have just a thing to say : gg mate u win the game @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Hi
brisk lily
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unique scaffold
Yesterday's moderator. I stated facts is all as asked to. I will copy and paste to other mm then.By the way tunnel focusing makes you miss the true facts of any discussion
night gust
they ruined the conway
agile notch
it was op before
night gust
your problem is you can not handle the conway
nimble zodiac
Which is why it needed a nerf lol
jade basin
Nerf Conway , great choice . But buff Foch , bad decision
twilit crystal
@quick lichen you know the 14 cm shouldnt have been touched
quick lichen
Why not?
narrow peak
Did some one got banned for talking about OP tank?!
storm osprey
The leopard need a buff it incridebly under powerd some tier 9 tanks are more powerfull than it I hope it gets a buff because there is alot of better medeuim tanks in tier 10.... Like look... It doesn't have the best accuracy..... No armor at all and you players shoot HE at you Everytime...... I wish it will get buffed
unique scaffold
Btw why isn’t bat chat tier 10 not the fastest light tank like it’s a tier 10 light tank (btw if you edit your message you can constantly talk)
twilit crystal
because the 14 cm is inferior to the other tier 9 turreted 15 cm tds
flat bane
Buff JG PZ E100s HE pen. For a 170mm cannon, it has less HE pen then 155mm. 85mm for the JG, compared to the 90mm that 155mm cannons have.
violet sonnet
Not having a core balancing team is hurting us too much.
Why use live server as testing 😡
Many of our problems would be solved if anyone looks at numbers them before releasing them in the wild
odd sandal
seems realistic, but if there are beta servers would they actually use them?
last hazel
@odd sandalIn Moment all Players have Proplems whit Chat for Frends in Game
odd sandal
sounds like a normal blitz issue
unique scaffold
I need gold
meager spruce
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