#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 134

quick lichen Jun 14, 2019, 9:20 PM

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It remains to be seen as to how good the changed badger is

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Maybe just a bit op but my guess is only situationally

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I’m thinking a stronger jagdtiger

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More armor and mobility

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Less dpm

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You will see them in tournaments for sure

nimble zodiac Jun 14, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Also the E3s cupola is a complicated thing to pen, it’s sketchy and RNG can always dismiss the shell

elfin lake Jun 14, 2019, 9:24 PM

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My T26E4 Super Pershing can survive in any battle balanced / unbalanced )))

orchid grove Jun 14, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Honestly I think once the novelty wears off, I don’t think it’ll be all that common in tournaments, because it’s much more easily penned than E3 by IS-4’s and 113’s that use CS, and it lacks the alpha of the E3. I can really only see them being used in specific positions where you need the 10 degrees of gun depression instead of E3’s 8.

kind swallow Jun 14, 2019, 9:36 PM

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On mines badger is kinda op

deft owl Jun 14, 2019, 9:53 PM

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What the heck is this once badger leaked everyone were crying about how op it is They nerfed its dpm and p/w ratio slightly now everyone says e3 better.

Lmao.

orchid grove Jun 14, 2019, 10:20 PM

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@kind swallow I remember playing the test badger on Mines. I thought it was gonna dominate; and I promptly died to HE spam.
@deft owl That's because the people who had actually played the badger weren't allowed to say anything about it. All the people crying about it were the 40%ers who played against a super-unicum in a badger once or twice and called it OP because they saw a lot of red

kind swallow Jun 14, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Well, I was playing with 121, and I couldn't pen it with HEAT, so I tactically retreat
But if you say that HE are working well...I need to try it out

clever void Jun 14, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Everyone is spamming me with HE in it. Rarely do they do much dmg but they do dmg

indigo knot Jun 14, 2019, 10:44 PM

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I was spamming HE from E50m did 150 to 100 dmg regularly
When spamming HE against E3 it bounces many times if you don't shoot HE at cupola and shoot at front of it

fiery flame Jun 14, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Just a question to you people saying how OP the badger is, do any of you even have it????

clever void Jun 14, 2019, 11:36 PM

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It can feel OP. But in some static situations the E3 is better due to alpha

strong depot Jun 15, 2019, 12:05 AM

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give me reason why u would get 263 over badger

feral ermine Jun 15, 2019, 12:05 AM

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What the point of this chat?

lucid jetty Jun 15, 2019, 12:19 AM

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10 deg gun depression and better gun mantlet. In the right position badger can stare at you and your return shots will bounce.

orchid grove Jun 15, 2019, 12:19 AM

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@Dj Semo#2167 Mobility, accuracy, DPM, camo rating, and view range. Basically everything except armor

smoky yoke Jun 15, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Well badger is just a better e3 in all areas. If you want to play e3 without grinding the line just buy badger , and you get a better version

visual nimbus Jun 15, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Except for alpha :]

obtuse rover Jun 15, 2019, 12:43 AM

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I feel scammed $54 for only 8 crates? Well I didn't get it

violet sonnet Jun 15, 2019, 12:49 AM

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You got balanced keo007. That’s what 3.5% chance will do it to ya

smoky yoke Jun 15, 2019, 12:50 AM

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@visual nimbus I feel more confident staying in open moving back and forth for people to miss the pixel box underplate you need to pen the tank. 8 seconds good enough to shot a second shot while the enemy player is trying to aim. If you playing sniping in that tank you have to be second line so to where you can see tanks to make it affective because you dont have huge alpha to do the pee-ka-boo. I will go frontline if I can make it and face hug. Even I had trouble penning those cheeks with heat or apcr. That's my suggestion on the tank. Personally hate slow tanks if I not going to play tournaments with it. This is all personal reason, I havent played the tank nor will I ever , this is just me playing against the tank the few times I saw it in tier 10 and watching players of how other people's replays against it since the chat room before everyone said it was op.

visual nimbus Jun 15, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Respectable

visual abyss Jun 15, 2019, 2:28 AM

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I feel like all crates with low drop rates, FV217 Badger crates for example, should have a meter you have to fill up which then would grant you the tank but only the tank. No attachment and no camo.

thorn dagger Jun 15, 2019, 2:30 AM

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There used to be a system like this if you didnt know. The first time the KpfPz 70 was sold was just like that

teal olive Jun 15, 2019, 3:45 AM

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That’s how the skorp G was

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 4:26 AM

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If you want to talk about crate drop rates go #general-blitz-discussion

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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JG PZ E100 should get a HE buff to atleast 95-100mm. It's a 170mm after all, it makes no sense it has less HE pen then 150mm cannons.

JGs HE pen= 85

(Most) 150mm= 90

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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No it shouldn't, JG is balanced in its current state.

indigo ice Jun 15, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Hehe I say at least give it like 92mm-94mm HE pen

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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So you're saying it makes complete logical sense that a 170mm cannon has LESS HE pen then 150mm cannons? Increasing JGs HE pen isn't that much of a change to begin with. What's the point of having a 170mm cannon that can't even pen tanks with HE reliably?

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 5:33 AM

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You contradict yourself.

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Explain how. Do you even know what contradict means?

orchid grove Jun 15, 2019, 5:43 AM

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HE pens as a game mechanic needs to be removed. HE should only be able to do splash damage

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Gun caliber doesn't always need to correlate with HE pen.
I wouldn't use a word I don't know in my own argument. You say increasing the pen isn't much of a change but proceed to say that there isn't a point in having a 170mm gun that can't pen tanks reliably which implies that buffing the HE pen would make it be able to pen tanks reliably.
I don't see how 85mm isn't enough to "reliably" pen. Maybe you need to aim better?

visual abyss Jun 15, 2019, 5:49 AM

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If you think about it, JG has better benefits thst could possibly outweigh the 85mm of HE pen. It has; armor, high alpha damage, good pen.

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Oh boi where to start

this is common sense, bigger cannon means bigger shell size, means larger caliber, means higher pen. Unless the shell is HESH or HEP, in which it was specifically designed to have increased penetration.
yes, increasing the penetration is not that big of a buff. All it will do is increase the chances of HE pen. Hence why I said it will make it pen more reliably.
I never said that 85mm isn't enough all I said was it makes no sense that a 170mm has less HE pen then most 150mm cannons.
Maybe you should stop taking things out of context and use some common sense?

sleek vault Jun 15, 2019, 5:53 AM

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sigh you guys go back learn some physic at school already
bigger caliber =/= higher pen
bigger caliber = bigger open wound

also learn why most assault rifle that used nowadays is using intermediate caliber instead full power bigger caliber

also agreed that HE should do only splash damage instead penetrating since that things is designed only for bombarding infantry cover

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 6:01 AM

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.. yeah you need to go back to school...

The bigger the object the more force is required to move that object. Also, the bigger the object, the heavier it. [ referring to shell size]. The force that is used on the object will Propel it forward into the target, depending on the angle, the shell will pen the armour with the energy that is gained from the shot and its weight will push it self into the armour even more due to gravity. Hence more pen, and a larger open wound correlating to a size of the object with the momentum and kinetic energy gained or lost.

sleek vault Jun 15, 2019, 6:04 AM

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topkek
bigger shell caliber doesn't mean will have higher penetration if it's not supported by enough rifling (if the barrel rifled type) and explosive force that came from the powder

at this point he is become a meme

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 6:06 AM

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^ Omegalul agreed.
You asked "What's the point of having a 170mm cannon that can't even pen tanks with HE reliably?". I'm not taking anything out of context; learn to read.

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 6:11 AM

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Um yes you are lol. A 170mm cannon that can't pen the same as 150mm because it has less pen hence should get a HE buff considering it has a larger cannon lol [by blitz logic]. I'm sure you need to learn how to read correctly and understand things better. Xd (this is turning into a meme ngl lmao)

sleek vault Jun 15, 2019, 6:15 AM

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seriously if i'm still in internship in some national arms manufacture everyone would laugh at your statement even if this is about a game

dark pike Jun 15, 2019, 6:16 AM

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buff t-34-2g ft because it is god awful

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 6:16 AM

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That's not by blitz logic, that's by your flawed logic. I don't care to explain more than I already did. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

crude pumice Jun 15, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Charioteer need nerf. 210mm pen HESH is overpowered in Tier8. its pen is same as chieftain/t95. it's enough to pen almost tanks front hull. there is no technical matter. just shoot, and kill en almost.

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 6:21 AM

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I mean it is a game, you shouldn't expect a game to be 100% realistic. But still, larger the shell means more space inside of the shell hence more space to add more powder.

Um yes it is by blitz logic lol, I'm guessing you lack a lot of logic or common sense to understand xd ¯_(ツ)_/¯ o well I tried to explain it to you.

sleek vault Jun 15, 2019, 6:26 AM

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indeed HESH charioteer need bit tweak since it's ain't joke for the game if it's could penetrating literally almost every hts frontal

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 6:28 AM

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It's a bit ironic that you say that because you don't have the brain capacity to comprehend much, considering how your original argument was a whole mess of contradictions.

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Lol your brain doesnt work correctly does it? There was no contradictions in any of my arguments. Your stupidity has yet to amuse me. You took everything out of context because you can't think of anything else to say lol. Well I can't expect that much from someone who can't understand nor comprehend basic concepts.

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 6:38 AM

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You can't just comprehend anything, can you? Now I remember having a conversation with you some few days ago in which you couldn't differentiate the pros and cons between AP and APCR for the primary ammo of 140 and T-62A. I don't care to go into depth because ignorant people, mostly the white and green WRs, can't get things through their thick skulls. Feelsbadman.

crude pumice Jun 15, 2019, 6:41 AM

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hey stop blame someone talk to u. both.

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Lmao now you're bring up stuff that has nothing to do with the original topic? Yeah your brain is obviously too small to comprehend anything. If you really don't want to keep talking then stop xd. Or is your own insolence and arrogance/ ignorance too high to make you stop?

clever void Jun 15, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Da ja vue. 🥴

charred bobcat Jun 15, 2019, 6:48 AM

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The topic has long been derailed, if your pea sized brain hadn't already noticed. It was an amusing conversation, but I don't care enough to continue it. xdxdxd lmao xdxdxd xd lol xd xd. Cute.

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Then stop talking xDDDD I feel you have nothing in your head, it's just empty. If you say anything after this, it proves my point that your insolence, arrogance ,and ignorance, is too high for your own good. R0fL xd

teal olive Jun 15, 2019, 7:02 AM

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@orchid grove seeing as I mostly play lightly armored tanks... I like the idea.... but what would happen to HESH/HEP tanks? And overall, I don’t see why it should be removed.

near pagoda Jun 15, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Salut

orchid grove Jun 15, 2019, 7:28 AM

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@teal olive Keep premium HESH shells as a thing, and a separate ammo class from HE, and allow them to pen, but normal HE shouldn't be able to pen things. The reason why HE pens need to be removed is that it's a stupid mechanic. It adds unnecessary RNG to the game, and is overall kind of broken. On PC, HE is balanced because you need to fully reload the gun to shoot HE, and you also need to actually have penetration memorized, so there is skill required in anticipating the need to load HE, as well as knowing precisely where and how to pen with it. On Blitz, what makes HE super stupid is that any monkey can switch to HE, see a clear spot on the hitskin, and shoot instantly; so all of the skill elements are removed. All that remains is dabbing the 3 key and praying to RNGsus that your shot manages to hit some tiny weakspot that you were aiming for.

I'm honestly super glad that Brit TDs have spall liner as a thing now; and I think it's a step in the right direction to removing HE pens as a mechanic.

noble chasm Jun 15, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Challenger is broken

dark pike Jun 15, 2019, 7:41 AM

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and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 7:42 AM

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^
Even T25/2 is more enjoyable to play
I swear it has the aiming time of a Russian 400 alpha gun

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 7:42 AM

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^ the challenger broken? Yeah it's pretty broken when it gets destroyed.

fringe summit Jun 15, 2019, 8:00 AM

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I think he means Charioteer XD

twin egret Jun 15, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Ooohhh boy, here we go again with the "Charioteer is Broken" Thing... It's not broken. Please, just try to take the time to understand the premises and weaknesses of the Charioteer "But it has those broken consumab—" No, they are not broken. If they use it, try to waste as much time of their consumables. The Charioteer has a slow turret rotation and a top speed of 48km, try abusing that and you can kill one. The Charioteer also has no armor as well, so you can comfortably use auto aim, circle it and shoot it with AP.

And How exactly is it "biased" if it dies easily to my AMX CDC? 🤔

dark pike Jun 15, 2019, 8:14 AM

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biased

flat bane Jun 15, 2019, 8:21 AM

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🤔

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 8:23 AM

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🤔

dreamy crest Jun 15, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Can we discuss about IS4?

noble chasm Jun 15, 2019, 8:38 AM

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@fringe summit i thinked challenger

fringe summit Jun 15, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Charioteer will be nerfed very soon

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 9:43 AM

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wsh

dusky oxide Jun 15, 2019, 9:59 AM

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You know something is op when the defending argument consist of advice to ignore the tank and that "I can counter easily it so its not op".

fiery flame Jun 15, 2019, 12:45 PM

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@fringe summit who said?

west glen Jun 15, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Whats the easiest tank to ace

indigo knot Jun 15, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Ke ni otsu I think ...
No one has got it

deft owl Jun 15, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Charioteer is balanced as it is we need a op tech tree tank to counter op premiums.

So its fine.

indigo knot Jun 15, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Dealing with Wz120gft is difficult enough we don't need another broken or blatantly OP tank be it tech tree or premium (charioteer needs nerf)

wispy tinsel Jun 15, 2019, 1:30 PM

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St1 needs buff

dusky oxide Jun 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Yeah it doesnt really work as a balancing factor if you add more op tanks. Its just more tanks the powercrept tech trees will have to suffer from.

fiery flame Jun 15, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Guys wait until WG posts stats in it, I think the Charioteer is in a similar place to where the Black Prince was, everyone cried about how OP it was and saying that it would get nerfed.

Look at it now, after everyone has calmed down no one is complaining, give it a few months, from what I can tell most players don’t know how to properly use it.

cunning kindle Jun 15, 2019, 2:03 PM

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tier 8 already screwed over
All intellectual beings : LeT tHe ChArIoTeEr ReMaIn Op So It CaN cOuNtEr OtHeR oP tAnKs

dark pike Jun 15, 2019, 2:06 PM

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sound logic there

fringe summit Jun 15, 2019, 2:07 PM

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@fiery flame Look in the last few sentences

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violet sonnet Jun 15, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Well just more time to enjoy this

indigo knot Jun 15, 2019, 2:16 PM

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@fringe summit that was his own opinion but stats are needed to check if it is OP or not(personally I feel it is OP)
Though charioteer requires skill(unlike pre nerfed VK100.01p) to be played and and the balancing is done from the perspective of 55-65 win rate players who know how to play and don't rush like all guns blazing so it might be nerfed but still lets wait for stats

fringe summit Jun 15, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Here is the thing with Charioteer. Everytime I when I play it with almost full HESH, I get like an avg of 2500 dmg. But when I use standard ammo only, I mostly do around 2000 dmg. What it makes even better are the special consumables.

If I could nerf/buff it, I would nerf its rate of fire by 20% and buff the speed with 10%.

fiery flame Jun 15, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I doubt they will touch it in the next update, it’s a tank which requires skill to perform well so we need to wait for the stats, it sort of reminds me of the FV4202. Average player sucks in it but good players prosper. @fringe summit

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I hope they leave it alone for at least 3 to 4 updates. I sincerely dislike when they make knee jerk reactions based off of incomplete data. There are too few player playing it right now and the players who are playing it are too good at the game to solely look at their performance as a balancing factor.

indigo knot Jun 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Personally I would love to see the Hesh pen go down to 175mm(same as Russian meds) as many might use calibrated shells and hesh gets 10% bonus while upping the normal AP pen to 260 and reduce dpm to scorpion g or wzft levels when using normal AP rounds.....(hate to see tiger2 getting heshed frontly).....not touching mobility aim time and accuracy

Well WG has a habit of nerfing the tanks to trash levels

grave bear Jun 15, 2019, 4:06 PM

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nerf charioteer. i'll write it here everyday until it gets nerfed.
LMAO WTF, 113 AND TYPE 59 NEEDS BUFF??? 😂 😂 😂
dude learn to use them pls @pine charm, they're super both super super strong.
lmao you think you're bettee than me 😂 😂 😂 😂
nice try you deleted it 😂🤣

pine charm Jun 15, 2019, 4:07 PM

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@dark pike its specialy for WG they want a money @grave bear now u showing how kid u are xD.

dark pike Jun 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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obj 252u big nerf

slim rivet Jun 15, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Teams need big buff

clever void Jun 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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If thou nerf Charioteer then pls do show us nerfs on 252u,Smasher, and loads of other tanks that are obviously better then any tech tree variations, yes Glory. The balancing of ur wallet kinda tank

olive hawk Jun 15, 2019, 4:21 PM

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252u is a balanced tank

shy pike Jun 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Did they shadow nerf the charioteer? can someone who is familiar with the camo values old and new check?

twilit dagger Jun 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Buff Charioteer

high pumice Jun 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Buff tortoise

twin egret Jun 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@fringe summit 2000 damage average with AP on Charioteer? I'm sorry but, most tier 8's I see do more than that with AP.... but having to use HESH to get 2500? No, That's feasible for many tier 8's.

ripe saddle Jun 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Buff Fv183!

humble spear Jun 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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bU F F I s- 4

dim field Jun 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Buff keni otsu

slim rivet Jun 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Buff badger please, I paid it EUR 500 and I don’t even have 100 % win rate 😿

teal olive Jun 15, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Wtf

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unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Noooo

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Worst idea ever.

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I’d rather have Sparse Parts back.

orchid grove Jun 15, 2019, 6:42 PM

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@drowsy plaza We can thank all the 40%er idiots that voted yes for more stupid consumables in #surveys-na for tthis

brisk lily Jun 15, 2019, 6:42 PM

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The only reason I'd want spare parts back is so I can stock pile them for credits when they inevitably remove them again

crude kite Jun 15, 2019, 6:43 PM

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What's happen?

inner locust Jun 15, 2019, 6:43 PM

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that camouflage paint sounds way too op... you could just rush the enemy and they wouldn't see you while you were right infront of them

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@orchid grove I’m hoping it is only for a special mode that morons can play.

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I'd be ok with the new consumables. But the one that revives you is extremely stupid

dim field Jun 15, 2019, 6:44 PM

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The one that revives you and the healing one worry me

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 6:45 PM

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The biggest problem with special consumables etc. is it makes tank balancing near impossible and also it starts smacking a pay to win as they will no doubt be more expensive

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Also crushing to low tier tanks as the perks of higher tier bonus are effectively larger.

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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At the end, more people voted for new consumables so I don't blame WG for adding them.

Because they need to make money.

orchid grove Jun 15, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Frickin idiots on NA

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olive hawk Jun 15, 2019, 6:59 PM

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@orchid grove cease

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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@unique scaffold I do. Why take a good game and make its cartoonishly dumb?

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All it proves to me is WG misses the mark on its audience. I don’t think the unintended consequences have been thought of. It’s going to hurt them with a lot of long time players who are big spenders.

desert vortex Jun 15, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Mad Games open at all times, lol

slim rivet Jun 15, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Really nice. I was missing battlefield heroes

proven raven Jun 15, 2019, 7:29 PM

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183 needs to be yeeted and deleted

indigo knot Jun 15, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Pub games=Mad games
If this happens(should not) I will run that camo provision on every tank even Maus(80% when moving).... that will bring a meta of sniping and sitting and camping back

fringe summit Jun 15, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Ey whats that! 80% camo more on the move? What about E25 on the move with +80%?

distant river Jun 15, 2019, 8:04 PM

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160% camo, you cant be spotted at all 🤣

indigo knot Jun 15, 2019, 8:06 PM

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I remember Elc even 90(light in PC) has 105% when still and behind bush....can only be proxy spotted

robust coyote Jun 15, 2019, 8:06 PM

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9001% camo
is a blinding white light that consumes all
same with the UE 57 on pc

fringe summit Jun 15, 2019, 8:49 PM

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If we get more premium consumables the normal games will change into mad games

dreamy crest Jun 15, 2019, 9:00 PM

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E25 with 80% camo lol

twilit crystal Jun 15, 2019, 9:50 PM

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@orchid grove the new consumables dont make sense though with the survey. WG must have had this planned for atleast 1-2 months

hazy lichen Jun 15, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Great job on the Badger balance, WG! It’s strong, but a bit situational. As strong or stronger options in the tech tree. Good stuff

jade cargoBOT Jun 15, 2019, 10:21 PM

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dynoSuccess Mirkan2003#7379 has been warned.

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 10:23 PM

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@twilit crystal same guy who did 3.8 has been working hard on his next good idea to affect balance

elder thunder Jun 15, 2019, 10:51 PM

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I like the way you balanced the Badgers armour by making the armour value the same amount of dollars you'll earn for each tank.

stoic light Jun 15, 2019, 11:00 PM

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lmao

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 11:06 PM

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@elder thunder what is your actual point? It’s got a weak roof, slower than pretty much everything, traverses poorly and sides and rear are weak.

elder thunder Jun 15, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Yes, its impenetrable frontal armour which basically is the side you will be facing is the only thing that matters. Oh the roof sides and back are so balanced! But insane DPM and impenetrable front. That's fine although why would it not face you front to front

brisk lily Jun 15, 2019, 11:08 PM

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then circle it
the traverse on the Badger is not great

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 11:08 PM

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It’s only impenetrable for most tier X guns if hulldown at max depression

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Wait like several other tier X

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Have you ever fought an E3

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2019, 11:27 PM

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so in irl shooting a capola will likely kill your commander right .. no serious damage to the vehicle. so why is it when someone shoots my capola I take damage?? then I die

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 11:27 PM

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It’s a game.

deft owl Jun 15, 2019, 11:32 PM

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@teal olive Slow and steady for mad games.

visual nimbus Jun 15, 2019, 11:45 PM

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A tank shell hitting a cupola can injure\kill its crew and internal parts.

teal olive Jun 15, 2019, 11:45 PM

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I’ve thought to quit the game before.... obviously never did, but if consumables like these are implemented, I’m done.

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2019, 11:57 PM

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@teal olive a lot of us are in the same boat.

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It’s a drastic shift in the game.

teal olive Jun 16, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Worse than spare parts and low tier changes combined

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Worse than spare parts is a stretch

devout vapor Jun 16, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Sherman Firefly should get a buff( engine power and acceleration increased and increase damage to about 200 or 220 ALPHA dmg) more historically accurate.

grizzled sleet Jun 16, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Lol I'm ok with literally only 3 of those, the added HPs and the camo but the camo would need to be toned down

devout vapor Jun 16, 2019, 2:02 AM

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currently its worse the it was on the battle field in ww2. It needs to be deadly like the germans got when they saw it in ww2 but it gets bullied it of it being the bully

plain jetty Jun 16, 2019, 2:07 AM

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I wish realistic mode made tanks a one shot like they were a lot of the time

twin egret Jun 16, 2019, 3:08 AM

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@devout vapor because you aren't playing the Sherman Firefly right... I doing very fine in the tank myself

thick rover Jun 16, 2019, 4:02 AM

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If you don't realise he desires a little historical accuracy so don't shut anything off with "oh, you're not playing it right"

crystal spoke Jun 16, 2019, 4:08 AM

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You can play it and do well how ever a little more historically accurate stats would be absolutely wonderful

clever void Jun 16, 2019, 4:28 AM

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The tank is actually very good. When grinding it I had insanely good stats in it

crystal spoke Jun 16, 2019, 5:24 AM

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I never grinded it only played and kept bc I'm a m4aholic

rain ivy Jun 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Nerf the WG profit margin or nerf the crate game

twin egret Jun 16, 2019, 6:04 AM

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@thick rover jajajaja it's not like the Tiger 1 is heavily armored, tier 5's can pen it frontally

thick rover Jun 16, 2019, 6:05 AM

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I don't remember being the one bring that point up, it was never my view so why tell me that?

twin egret Jun 16, 2019, 6:14 AM

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Due to the cramp conditions of the turret of the Sherman Firefly, Reloading would be much slower then it should. The reason for the cramp conditions was due to implanting the 17-pounder gun into the tank sideways and considering how huge the gun was, you may get the reason why. The ease of access to parts was wonderful, tracks, repairs can be done much quicker due to the huge production of the parts for the Sherman Tank. Though due to the weight and size the vehicle, it could easily be stuck in watery and mud terrain unless the Sherman has the upgraded tracks, then these factors can be negated. Considering how strong the gun was, maybe a increase the alpha damage and nerf the reload rate, maybe that should balance it out. Though, the Sherman carries the same gun as the FV201 (A45), the TOG II*, Angry Conner(Archer), AT 8 and the Black Prince; maybe it's better if those changes only apply to the Sherman Firefly...

grave bear Jun 16, 2019, 6:25 AM

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i am with @devout vapor , i was so disappointed when i realized that sherman firefly was going to have a stupid "normal" 160 alpha gun like every other med tank, instead of its actual differenxe between m4 sherman, the 17 pdr gun.

quaint raptor Jun 16, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Anyone agree that Rhm should get some buff??
Reloading speed, depression, gun accuracy, nothing better than isu except its camoflage ability

Especially its reloading, 15sec, while isu is only 12sec

Asking to players played isu rhm both of them after rhm got nerfed

stoic light Jun 16, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Um no lol

dark pike Jun 16, 2019, 6:52 AM

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isu has only 1010 hp so get off its case

grave bear Jun 16, 2019, 6:55 AM

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@quaint raptor rhm has a turret.... it obviusly cant have same reload of unturretted tanks...

quaint raptor Jun 16, 2019, 6:57 AM

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It cant snipe with that useless dispersion

deft owl Jun 16, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Neither isu can.

quaint raptor Jun 16, 2019, 7:40 AM

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dreamy crest Jun 16, 2019, 8:26 AM

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@quaint raptor I agree with you, Rhm needs really a buff

elfin marlin Jun 16, 2019, 8:29 AM

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RHM is fine and so is the ISU-152. Those two have completely different play styles. ISU is huge and RHM is low to the ground. Both are quite easy to ace.

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Jpanther 2 is better

muted oracle Jun 16, 2019, 8:54 AM

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RHMs camo is not an easily dismissed advantage, the ambush capability of that tank is incredible. And what’s wrong with having, effectively, a slightly worse version of “the best gun tier for tier” additionally you can use the turret to fake gun depression in many areas the ISU would need to climb the whole hill.

quaint raptor Jun 16, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Whats rhm’s strength if it cant snipe even though it has good camo
And the reason why rhm has more HP than isu is its paper armor, easily penetrated by all tier8 HEs
So as the result, it doesnt have more HP than isu

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Vindicator on the left, Smasher on the right, both with calibrated shells. Doesn't it seem to you that Smasher with a 150 mm gun has way too much prammo and HE penetration, while the Vindicator, with a 155 mm gun, stays well behind even with a supposed superior caliber?
Moreover, the hull armor on Vindicator is 120/55/45, while on Smasher it's 120/75/70, plus the extremely well armored turret (150/120/70). Doesn't it make the latter obscenely OP, even for a fake tank? It has got it all, armor, firepower and mobility. Vindicator is decent but it has even less camo than Smasher, it's not OP at all. Please, tell WG at least to fix the 150 mm/155 mm calibers, it's not right the latters have to have the same damage (the HE has also inferior alpha in this case, I can't believe it).

versed forum Jun 16, 2019, 11:11 AM

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@quaint raptor
It can "snipe" targets at 150m, for which the camo allows you to get closer to the baddies.

Unlike the isu, it does not need to snipe. Often, when you are moving around like I have just described, you will end up in distances less than 150m. The turret lets you stop turning earlier, start aiming earlier and you can point your tank to drive into cover.

If you have not figured that out, you may want to work on it.

fringe summit Jun 16, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Eh, I have a 5K rating camo on RHM because the tank is so good lol

dusky oxide Jun 16, 2019, 11:39 AM

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The balance and quality of the game suffers greatly when the devs decide to add features that only cater to the new and inexperienced influx of players. Im sure not many of those voting in favor of adding wacky consumables have thought about it further or have the knowledge about the game to even do so.

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 11:40 AM

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With the new consumables and the incoming ones the regular battles will become more like Mad Games, it takes the fun away

reef kiln Jun 16, 2019, 11:43 AM

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I'm waiting for the 75% off 6500 gold crate that's on offer, anyone else getting it?

high pumice Jun 16, 2019, 11:45 AM

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We need tortoise armor buff

slim rivet Jun 16, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Time to quit my dude @unique scaffold

indigo knot Jun 16, 2019, 12:20 PM

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@quaint raptor I agree with you the Isu is almost better in everyway to the Rhm (pen dpm accuracy bloom mobility) It only lacks a turret camo rating and pen on premium rounds ....it needs a buff in terms of accuracy and dpm atleast they can give the 128 mm a dpm buff same levels as scorpion g and 152 can use the accuracy buff similar to Isu 152 afterall the pen is trash on RHM (less than the hesh pen of charioteer)

dark pike Jun 16, 2019, 12:23 PM

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stop trying to power creep isu 152

versed forum Jun 16, 2019, 12:31 PM

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Anybody noticed the chi-to (tier 6)?

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 12:53 PM

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The tank is not the problem the player is :3

dark pike Jun 16, 2019, 1:15 PM

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just peekaboom and you'll be fine

hollow mason Jun 16, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Pz S35, Ke-ni otsu, Bt-7 art seem like a good team

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 1:21 PM

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@unique scaffold read the pinned messages

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Since I can't post immediately because of the high slow mode, I couldn't explain myself. This is the 3rd time I meet an Otsu today, and I did only 5 battles in Tier 3. WG nerfed also premium tanks making them collectors, PAID ones. Otsu is so rare? Make it collector and nerf it, it devastates every tank after 5.5, so broken and OP. The excuse of a few players having it doesn't stay up any more.

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You are an experienced player playing against experienced players. A new player will not encounter a Kenny for some time. Should it have been nerfed? Sure. Is it a big deal that it wasn't? Nope.

ripe prawn Jun 16, 2019, 1:26 PM

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@iron belfry

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 1:36 PM

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It isn't a crime playing 100 battles in Tier 5-10 and 10 battles in Tier 1-4, for a change. I complain about the incoherence of WG, Kenny must be nerfed, and I am not the only one to think so.

grizzled sleet Jun 16, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Did this dude just say lack of a premium round on the ISU? Who needs premium when your standard is like what? 280, honestly that's pens everything that isn't an E75

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 2:00 PM

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@sage belfry. English please

grizzled sleet Jun 16, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@sage belfry not quite sure what you mean by what's wrong with EU, is it lagging a lot? Or something else that's breaking

twilit crystal Jun 16, 2019, 2:34 PM

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id much rather WG just buff the dpm of the 12.8 on the rhm

grave bear Jun 16, 2019, 2:41 PM

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people cant understand they need to load 12.8 cm gun if they wanna camp like an isu, and put 15cm if they want closs range combat, using their turret to peek a boom 1k times faster than ISU, so what they do is just following allies ISUs' , camp close to them without moving and playing like if they have no turret and the same op isu's gun.
this is not how rhm should be played.

twilit crystal Jun 16, 2019, 2:53 PM

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the 12.8 has like the same ROF as an IS tank tho

jade cargoBOT Jun 16, 2019, 3:14 PM

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dynoSuccess keneelliott72#8475 has been warned.

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@plain urchin. That has nothing to do with balance.

indigo knot Jun 16, 2019, 3:59 PM

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There must be a reason why it second from bottom
And anyone rarely use that 12.8cm gun (same dpm as Hts in a paper tank that can 1 shot itself with 152mm and is slow )

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slim rivet Jun 16, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Tds need more effective camos cause sometimes they get spotted while camping at spawn

brisk lily Jun 16, 2019, 4:29 PM

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so Grille in a nutshell

quaint raptor Jun 16, 2019, 4:36 PM

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unique scaffold Jun 16, 2019, 4:53 PM

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That's why you should use the 15 cm

grizzled sleet Jun 16, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Lol I used the 128, you wanna know why? Because the 150 is so cancerously bad. It can't pen, it can't hit, it can't do anything right, so I used the 128

clever void Jun 16, 2019, 5:22 PM

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The heat tho.

grizzled sleet Jun 16, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Lol I don't play a big gun to get crap dmg from it

clever void Jun 16, 2019, 5:46 PM

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I do very well in the RHM. I do prefer the 152 but on some maps the 128 is better

random spruce Jun 16, 2019, 6:39 PM

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when are the devs going to fix the packet loss issues?

stark mica Jun 16, 2019, 6:45 PM

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The packet is from their servers? I thought it was internet.

random spruce Jun 16, 2019, 6:52 PM

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yes go download ping plotter and learn about it

obtuse hill Jun 16, 2019, 7:25 PM

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@grizzled sleet the days of good ole ammo racks are gone with RHM? in my time them was real guf

dreamy crest Jun 16, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I loved Rhm with the big alpha gun before I met the Wt. @near wing it will get a nerf in the next update

near wing Jun 16, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Nerf chairoteer?

fringe summit Jun 16, 2019, 8:43 PM

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RHM is my second most played tank. I like it because its a sniper/shotgun tank with super high camo rating which does also heavy boom boom XD

@dreamy crest Haha nice, you like KV2 and RHM as well. Big derpy guns :P.

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dreamy crest Jun 16, 2019, 8:49 PM

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@fringe summit Rhm is my third most played tank

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teal olive Jun 16, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Rhm is pretty meh

fringe summit Jun 16, 2019, 8:53 PM

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@dreamy crest Lol on those pics here above you can see that I have 1 more avg dmg in the KV2 than you have😂

grave bear Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 AM

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wow you're abnormusly better than him in kv2 thx to that stat

thin fable Jun 17, 2019, 4:33 AM

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^^^

regal root Jun 17, 2019, 10:35 AM

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@unique scaffold well I agree with u on smasher
I didn’t see any reason for it to be released anyway but eh
Secondly this game has been losing on fun side lately

high pumice Jun 17, 2019, 10:36 AM

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So no opinion on tortoise

granite schooner Jun 17, 2019, 12:08 PM

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T54 mod1 can't pen super pershing bottom plate.. wow

clever void Jun 17, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Der. T26 can pene mod 1 anywhere without pramo

humble spear Jun 17, 2019, 12:22 PM

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The super pershing's lower plate is the best for all tier 8 MTs iirc

deft owl Jun 17, 2019, 1:06 PM

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@grizzled sleet By choosing 128mm gun you are handicapping yourself because Literally Skorpion G does everything better. Always choose 15 cm gun. Always.

slim rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:06 PM

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@high pumice tortoise doesn’t need any buff since the grinding to the 183 needs to be extremely painful. For karma reasons

grizzled sleet Jun 17, 2019, 1:06 PM

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That 15cm is a handy cap cuz it can't pen hit or stop sucking

deft owl Jun 17, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Games suppose to be fun not painful. Tortoise does not deserves to be trash just because it leads to 183. A tank that cames later cannot be a balancing factor. @slim rivet

slim rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Life and blitz have something in common, they don’t need to be boring and some humour / fun can be brought in @deft owl

jagged helm Jun 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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@deft owl it’s that case there are too many tanks to buff

river portal Jun 17, 2019, 2:19 PM

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@jagged helm sure many tanks should recive a buff like pnather 1 and 2 or 263 line(t7 and 8) some tanks are super useless

dark pike Jun 17, 2019, 2:20 PM

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you run the risk of power creeping other tanks if you buff tanks

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Guys the should add wall penetrating tanks where the tank bullet goes threw walls

jagged helm Jun 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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All t10s of this game are good/great/op.
But below t10 there are a lot of tanks that needs a buff to be grindable with fun

jagged helm Jun 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Why does the stb1 line costs 36 000 golds and the e50m line costs 31 000 and the e50m is obviously a way better

What can explain such a big price difference

lament vessel Jun 17, 2019, 2:57 PM

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@jagged helm WG wants money... thats it lmao

jagged helm Jun 17, 2019, 3:09 PM

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My question is not about the cost in €--', its about the difference between two similar t10s

And why tf there is 10mins of cooldown thats so horrible, u talk, the guy answers u and then u have to wait 10 mins until asnwer again woww great

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2019, 3:11 PM

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How in the heck I never noticed Tortoise has 120 of HESH pen, even superior to Chieftain Mk6

narrow oxide Jun 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Is the game balanced?

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2019, 3:35 PM

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No

dusky oxide Jun 17, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Tier 9 is.

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2019, 4:29 PM

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@high pumice read the rules. I shouldn't have to ask

quaint raptor Jun 17, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Before medium nerf
E50M 270
Leo 268
Stb 258
After medium nerf
E50M 245
Leo 255
Stb 245

E50M lost one of its strengths, good pen gun to deal with heavy tanks
How even e50m has same pen with stb, its gap was 12

vocal dew Jun 17, 2019, 4:29 PM

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what language is that? "Panzerass" for the ace tanker

grave bear Jun 17, 2019, 4:35 PM

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@quaint raptor wow old time when med tanks had more pen than some heavies
the balancing factor was the fact that gold shells were doing same damage as standard, so heavies had way better golds than meds.
E50m is one of the few tanks that has always been OP, in the whole game lifetime
imo the balance ruined the game, now its everything at same level, such boring.

graceful copper Jun 17, 2019, 4:35 PM

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wz131 the unbalance one

dusky oxide Jun 17, 2019, 4:38 PM

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@quaint raptor E50M has gotten buffed and is now the best performing t10 med. It can bully other meds as well as deal with heavies just as well as other meds.

I'd say e50m has gained versatility, not lost any.

quaint raptor Jun 17, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Then they got nerfed now, im pointing that e50m and stb have same pen while their playing type is totally different

Hope u ever played e50m and stb before nerf, after nerf too

Im not gonna repute that e50m is one of the best meds now, but i miss old day

jade cargoBOT Jun 17, 2019, 4:54 PM

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dynoSuccess Diesel_Weasel#2608 was muted

nimble zodiac Jun 17, 2019, 6:15 PM

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E 50M is not only quite large, but armored fir the speed it’s going, but I’m not sure what a speed nerf would do for it though, it would make it edgy on playstyle

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Hello toi speaker french ?

meager spruce Jun 17, 2019, 7:23 PM

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uuum does this call for moderators or not?

jade cargoBOT Jun 17, 2019, 7:34 PM

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dynoSuccess arvexplays#8755 has been warned.

teal olive Jun 17, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@dusky oxide if the 50M is nerfed, I’m afraid it will be obsolete at tier ten. Think about it, any good player in another med can outplay an E50M in a 1v1 situation. Why? Because they always have some advantage over it. Whether it be a Leo’s mobility/dpm and pen or an STBs/Patton’s versatile turret/gun depression or a soviet med’s burn em down dpm and troll armor. The 50M doesn’t really seem to have anything super special about it besides good armor, but it does everything pretty well, and if it’s rebalanced wrong, I think it’ll be kinda crap

stoic light Jun 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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I think it's fine the way it is.

sweet steppe Jun 17, 2019, 8:27 PM

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If feel like there have to be voice communication system in wot blitz

sullen vault Jun 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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@sweet steppe really no need,itll prob end up being toxic rather than useful,also that idea has no place in this channel

indigo knot Jun 17, 2019, 9:54 PM

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E50m is fine currently....I have seen good players take out E50m easily....

fringe summit Jun 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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E50M feels like an E75 with a monster engine XD

grave bear Jun 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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except that e75 has 1k times better armor

dusky oxide Jun 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

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@teal olive Why should it have good traverse, and tons of armor to wiggle around, an amazing power to weight ratio coupled with an impressive weight to ram stuff and still have pretty good depression angles and nice gun stats?

You say a good player can outplay an E50M. A good player can outplay just about anything and the fact is that the majority of the playerbase doesnt fit the 'good player' description.

The E50M bullies meds and lights but still has the same capability to fend off other tanks just like any other med. It's the perfect tank for someone who just wants to rush other meds and come out on top without using much skill and also have a versatile med to keep the game going. The only real weakness it has compared to other meds is that it has small pennable turret cheeks.

If the E50m is fine then why isnt the is4? An IS-4 would also become obsolete if nerfed to be on par with the IS-7.

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If a tank needs to perform better than others to remain relevant and popular somethings very off.

stoic light Jun 17, 2019, 10:54 PM

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that is the e50ms purpose, to take care of other meds.

dusky oxide Jun 17, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Yeah? Youre missing the point if you think thats the problem. If it has a situational ability like that then why should it still do as well against tanks that arent meds? You shouldnt have everything. The e50m has the same dpm as a patton and better aim time than a leo with the same dispersion when stationary so it is also very effective at long range. @stoic light

stoic light Jun 18, 2019, 1:22 AM

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It will not be able to do good against a experienced heavy player @dusky oxide

manic marsh Jun 18, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Can anyone explain how our clan was created in 1970...

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sharp verge Jun 18, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Wow I wish Wot blitz was on my Commodore 64

nimble zodiac Jun 18, 2019, 4:54 AM

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There are so many tier 10s it’s hard to create a niche for each one, doing anything with them would throw things off, maybe FV4005 might be a new concept to tweak but tier ten was fine

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 6:48 AM

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@stoic light it is able to do the same as any other med, maybe better as it is so high on the chart.

stoic light Jun 18, 2019, 6:55 AM

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I agree with you that it’s probably one of the best meds or the best med, however if they nerf it then another med will just take it’s place and become the new ‘best med’. I also think it is driven by more unicums than most of the other meds which partly explains why it’s top of the chart @dusky oxide

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 7:00 AM

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@stoic light once again, youre missing the point if you think the problem is that its the best med. The problem is how much better it is than the other meds. Did you look at the chart i posted?

And all of the data on the chart is gathered from players with wrs of 55-65% so it is not in fact "driven by more unicums than most other meds" as you say.

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stoic light Jun 18, 2019, 7:09 AM

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But is it really that much better? The difference is only 1 shot of damage from the bottom med. Another thing is the play style of the tank, I see soooo many players using meds like the Leo wrong where they just try to brawl in the open with another med, this will obviously punish the Leo and get him killed quickly. If a player does that in an e50m however he will most likely survive a bit longer and get a few extra shots in. So I think that’s the problem, not the tank but the general population not knowing how to play most meds. @dusky oxide

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 7:16 AM

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@stoic light it has higher damage on the entire chart and a similar win rate to an is4. And we both know is4 is far from balanced. If you want to argue against the charts be my guest but you wont have very good results.

How well the meds as a class do in the hands of the average player is another discussion and has a big part in how tanks are balanced around only a small percentage of the playerbase. Right above i was discussing the e50m in relation to other meds performance.
Really what youre saying about the e50m being better for rushing has already been covered.

stoic light Jun 18, 2019, 7:20 AM

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I get what your saying but what do you propose to make it “more” balanced? @dusky oxide

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Well for it to have some character it should keep its armor but get a small traverse or acceleration nerf. Or just simply lose some of the gun depression and aim time that make it so easy to use in many situations. Increased aim time would also make the turret cheeks easier to hit. It currently has .14 dispersion on the move which is a bit worse than other meds but i dont think how well the tank can shoot on the move makes a major difference in this case.

Looking at the charts and what people say here and discussing what kind a role tanks have in the meta is one thing but none of us get to make any real choices regarding balance so its basically just dreaming.

stoic light Jun 18, 2019, 7:37 AM

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You can send an email but wg will just give you some bs response @stiff flame. @dusky oxide yea when you think about it it’s kinda funny, all of us arguing and trying to come up with ways to balance a tank but in the end wg doesn’t even give a 💩 about what we think.

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Yup. Good thing I can always play an op t8 prem and forget about balance. Still, Id like for at least the different classes of tanks to be more balanced regarding how easy they're to do well in and what their ceiling is. That could be done by just tweaking the equipment.

ivory fractal Jun 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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@stiff flame the 10 minute wait is set by WG so they can read the chats when they gather feedback from the chats in the hope there’ll be less off topic posts. And what is your complaint about? This is the balance discussion channel so you can PM if you want.

distant river Jun 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Read the pinned messages @stiff flame

dark pike Jun 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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why did you downvote random people

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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The intent of this channel is for vehicle balance discussion. It is not for complaining about match making. @stiff flame

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There isn't one. Talk about blitz on #general-blitz-discussion

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 10:37 AM

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@dusky oxide you are comparing E50m to Is4 but does E50m define meta like Is4 .....how many E50m you see in tournaments compared to Is4.....I still see more 140s in tournaments compared to E50m
I have talked about this tank before with you before too....this is a strong tank but not OP

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 10:47 AM

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@indigo knot whats happening in tourneys is very different from how games work in pub matches. Especially considering how meds are played.
A tank is clearly overpowered when it performs way better than its counterparts. If it was just a strong tank as you say, it wouldnt have a higher avg dmg than any TD on that chart and a similar wr to an is4.
Are you just trying to say the e50m is not op because its not a heavy? I guess the wz120ft is just 'strong' as well since theres not enough of them to define the meta.

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Then WR is the reason you are saying ..... then 183 should be buffed too....it has the lowest WR by margins....it deserves the buff

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 11:30 AM

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@indigo knot if wr was the only argument i had im sure i wouldnt have easily written 2 pages by now.
And are you really so narrowminded to not understand that if you buff the 183 the wr is going to go up but the dmg is going twice as higher? That tank doesnt need a buff, it needs a rework if you want it to be balanced.

grave bear Jun 18, 2019, 11:49 AM

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its not good to watch only charts to nerf/buff tanks.
Mauschen for example was balanced, now its totally trash.
(its worse than e75 in every aspect by far)

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 11:53 AM

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Thats why i wrote about it in greater detail a few messages ago. Too bad not everyone who replies to me takes the time to read it.

Charts tell how well a tank performs in comparison to others. But it would be good if the serverwide stats for tanks were taken into account as well when balancing tanks and not only the 55-56%ers.

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 11:56 AM

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No point arguing with you
Don't tag

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Well there really isnt if you dont take the time to read my end of the discussion and are unable to defend your point of view because of it.
You can keep talking to yourself if thats the way you want to do it :D maybe you'll also find the spacebar on your keyboard while youre at it.

grave bear Jun 18, 2019, 12:04 PM

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@dusky oxidethe problem of tanks' charts its not the player skill wide playing it, its the AMOUNT of players playing it, so the ACCURACY of the statistics.
there are 3913 billions players playing is7, but there is like 1 half playing e50m, so stats of these 2 cant be compared.

IMO vk72 is underperforming, its stats by players say otherwise, has just 1% less wr than maus but everything slightly better.
so why happens? because vk72 has just 2k players playing it, so stats arent accurate enough as is7's ones with 5k.

agile mica Jun 18, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Smasher needs nerf and my hand need buff

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 12:50 PM

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@grave bear there really is no way to get past that if you want to view data. But i get what youre saying and i see why its a problem.

👇 I think thats a very good idea. Theres not enough surveys done to begin with.

grave bear Jun 18, 2019, 12:56 PM

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yeah ikr, anyway im pretty sure if you make super op players fill up surveys on tanks to balance them would be way way better and more accurate, they would know how to balance tanks to be actually balanced from an objective perspective, not for "40ers" or for 55-65ers

tame wharf Jun 18, 2019, 2:04 PM

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actually its better if you seperate the surveys based on win rate and on the people who actually played the tanks, and seperate the surveys into how was the tank? and how was it playing against these tanks?

jagged helm Jun 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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You think that e50m will be nerfed ?

spark badge Jun 18, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Well from what the stats are saying, there is a possibility but they shouldn’t cause the tank is good but not as good as a obj140, the problem is in mm, the tank is most of the time highest tier so your team relies on your style of play, if u play med lane than u risk heavys getting nuked but if u go heavy lane than how u going to handle heavys and where u might risk the flank to be open for reds

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Nope E50m won't be nerfed

jagged helm Jun 18, 2019, 2:45 PM

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K

slim rivet Jun 18, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I m not sure to understand, wdym by 140 is better and by e50m is most of the time top tier @spark badge ?

river portal Jun 18, 2019, 3:10 PM

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e50 is ok

spark badge Jun 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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What am saying is when you’re in a match, most of the time u are assigned as in the top of the order cause it’s considered a heavy so basically you’re the caller, so it trickles back to what I said before. Your the leader so whatever call u make, will dictate the outcome in the battle, and I rephrase myself, against meds who are more agile and low to the ground, and of course if u know how to brawl, than the 50m will struggle. @slim rivet

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 3:16 PM

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@spark badge. The tank at the top of the board is absolutely not the leader. That is absurd.

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Nah fam it doesn't work like that 🤦

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Isnt it alphabetical order?

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By tier then alphabetical

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Top tier A,B,C
Bottom tier A,B,C

spark badge Jun 18, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Man so I’m the un luckiest player in a NA than, and I’ll say it again most of the time I didn’t say all of the time and fam @unique scaffold so In pubs or in any battle who should be the caller ? Just wondering no off topic we’re talking about the 50m

drowsy plaza Jun 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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@spark badge what? Being on top doesn’t give any more credibility than being on the bottom. The E 50 M starts with E. So it’s higher alphabetically than anything F and below. Does not have anything more than that.

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 3:55 PM

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@jagged helm read the pinned messages

spark badge Jun 18, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Sorry bois I know I should’ve been more specific and I figure most of u know how tiers are picked, but that’s exactly what I’m saying !!! But forget it all am saying is a tank that I have 2000 battles in with a above 50% wr and it’s a situational tank if that make sense. If u know how to play it than I don’t think it needs anything cause than it will go back to how it was before it got buffed and than no one will play it as much again. @unique scaffold am not sure if I made a point but I guess not cause u have guys like @unique scaffold who knows it all

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 4:32 PM

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😕⁉️

drowsy plaza Jun 18, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@spark badge Your point?

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Fact remains that the E50M currently is over cooked compared to other meds.

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Now I’d simply buff the other meds - but then all the targets, sorry I meant heavy drivers would complain.

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Hi on my blitz dosent realistic mode exist can someone help me plz

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🤦

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 6:29 PM

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@spark badge so your argument is that the e50m needs to be op or it wont be relevant and popular. Yeah ok...
And its not a situational tank, at least not a situational med. A leo is a situational tank because it sacrifices armor to gain mobility and an good gun. An e50m doesnt sacrifice much of performance in other situations to be good at brawling other meds.

spark badge Jun 18, 2019, 7:01 PM

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So In English terms so I can clear up what I’m trying to say, they buff the tank (I don’t remember what patch) because it was the least played tank lowest dpm conpare to other meds SO now it should be nerfed cause it’s op ?!?! It’s a heavym bro is not as agile as other meds ?!?!

jade cargoBOT Jun 18, 2019, 7:11 PM

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dynoSuccess ILookLikeBread#8129 has been warned.

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 7:11 PM

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It definitely isnt a heavy. Not even a heavium. With an impressive power to weight ratio, 44° traverse and 60kh/h top speed it sure isnt that. If youve been playing the e50m as a heavy you definitely dont know what youre doing or talking about.

And just because a tank gets buffed doesnt mean it cant get nerfed. @spark badge

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Buff 183

spark badge Jun 18, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Lol why do u think is an op tank? How do u think most players are playing it man lol, and yes I know what am talking about cause that’s all I see when I play against a 50m or playing along one man, shoot this thing hull down and it can bounce 183 or Foch for that matter like I wrote many times before it depends how U play it but it’s not op

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Personally I think the 50m is due for a Nerf. If I was making it happen I'd nerf the traverse a bit.

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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@spark badge how do you think most players play other meds? The e50m clearly has more potential. Just because its a med doesnt mean it cant be op. Heres how a similar player does in other tanks, doesnt seen balanced.

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twilit crystal Jun 18, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Someone didn't pay attention in middle school and learn how to read graphs with bad intervals

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 7:50 PM

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I think +2% wr and 200hp dmg more than the avg medium is a fair amount of too much. Especially if the is4's performance can be considered too good.

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Nerf Maus Is4 E3 E50m while buff 183 massively (7% is WR diff is too much) buff grille wz113gft 121b Stb and Leo1

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 8:00 PM

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And when blitztars shows a similar results. I've already written a basis that rests on more than just graphs.

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spark badge Jun 18, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Again and am not arguing the fact, so if u nerf the tank like @unique scaffold said nerf the traverse, Than tell me @dusky oxide will it be a med or a heavy ? man come on bro and again trust me trustttttttt me players will play other tanks that will put out better dpm, look at the wr ^^^^^^ and is4 now that thing needs a nerf lol

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Players will always hop to the next tank... That doesn't mean that balancing adjustments shouldn't be made.

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 8:13 PM

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raw oar Jun 18, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Balance of tech tree tanks is made through premium tanks now.

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 8:14 PM

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@spark badge it will still be a medium even if it has less traverse because it will still have nice mobility, good camo and an accurate gun. And like SD said, it doesnt mean it shouldnt be rebalanced.

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 8:19 PM

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I think there should be a new subclass (like heavium) or a more specific specification so the newer players won't be driving these tanks like a heavy or a medium

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 8:24 PM

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On the graph in my image the e50m is the med with #2 best wr and has the highest dmg. Both graphs are from blitzstars but unlike the bottom one it compares players overall winrates to players winrates in a specific tank. Which would mean that by playing an e50m compared to another med other than the t-22 your stats get inflated because of the tanks superior performance over others.

visual abyss Jun 18, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Buff Challenger's gun handling. Its dispersion, aim time, and turret traverse don't make since for its caliber.

hearty hawk Jun 18, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Buff the tortoise armor and remove it's hatch

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Buff the Batchats with a 2.2 intraclip reload

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Why buff Batchat when it is fine acc. to the charts
While acc. to charts Nerf Maus Is4 E3 E50m while buff 183 massively (7% is WR diff is too much) buff grille wz113gft 121b Stb and Leo1

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 9:20 PM

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@indigo knot because a 3 second intraclip bugs me and logically doesn't make sense. How is the T57 slamming 120mm shells into the breach every 2.5 seconds while the Batchat is moving 105mm shells at 3 seconds. Not to mention that it's 105mm has 100mm alpha.

orchid grove Jun 18, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Bat Chat doesn’t need interclip. That’s stupid. What Bat Chat needs is a 4th shell, or 350 alpha, or ideally both

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 9:38 PM

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I'd like a faster intra clip ¯_(ツ)_/¯

violet sonnet Jun 18, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Here is another solution to those who calling E50m Op, cuz chart shows. How about we make blitz fun again and buff other meds too? Ik Ik but 62a already had too many buffs ... leave that one out will ya.

worthy cradle Jun 18, 2019, 9:40 PM

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@orchid grove you want BC to have 1400 alpha?... not op at all... especially with its speed

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 9:48 PM

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I think a 2.2 intra clip with true 105mm alpha would be ideal. That would allow a Batchat to drop a clip with less exposure.

olive hawk Jun 18, 2019, 9:48 PM

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@worthy cradle pos is an amazing void batchat driver, he knows exactly what the batchat needs

orchid grove Jun 18, 2019, 9:51 PM

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I feel like @olive hawk is being sarcastic lol, but honestly, if Bat keeps 3s exposure time (and gets redesignated as a medium) then being exposed for ~10s to get all 4 shells out in a tank with low HP and no armor will be exceedingly difficult.

Also note that the 50 120 has 1200 clip potential at tier IX, which is just as much, if not more tier for tier. Moreover, it only takes 6s to fire off the magazine, and it has actually good pen too

worthy cradle Jun 18, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Ah, I thought you meant buff it to 350 alpha with 4 shells (and keep the reload), but I guess if you rebalance it like that then it's fine

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 10:14 PM

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@orchid grove WG has told that they will never let an autoloader have more clip potential than 183 hesh

worthy cradle Jun 18, 2019, 10:17 PM

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4005 has 1380 @indigo knot

polar valley Jun 18, 2019, 10:18 PM

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will realistic mode be back at all?

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 10:20 PM

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We don't know

lilac lance Jun 18, 2019, 10:25 PM

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How the heck can WOT say there turning 5 when I’ve BENN playing this game for 9 years wtf

indigo knot Jun 18, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Well 4005 had 183mm on Pc and surely you don't want another 183mm in the game ....so I guess they balanced that tank this way to have almost same clip potential as the hesh round
Heard that in the livestream when someone asked to give Batchat 6 rounds in the clip
Now that I think about it clipping a med in a clip sounds fun

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2019, 10:27 PM

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@lilac lance. You haven't been playing blitz for nine years.

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Unless you are going by dog years

olive hawk Jun 18, 2019, 10:35 PM

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😂

sullen vault Jun 18, 2019, 10:50 PM

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@lilac lance i think you misunderstood something very gravely,WOT and WOTB are not the same game.I believe you are referring to the PC counterpart rather than Blitz.However i don't understand how you've came to that conclusion.

coral echo Jun 18, 2019, 11:00 PM

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That moment when bat chat can pull off more bounces than some mediums

clever mauve Jun 18, 2019, 11:16 PM

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@orchid grove someone in my clan told me that historically the tier 9 amx heavy auto loader is supposed to have waaaay more armor (even than the tier 10) ~ is this true?

lost island Jun 18, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Yes, and AMX elc bis has more powerful gun and Hellcat has 90 kmh

orchid grove Jun 18, 2019, 11:19 PM

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@clever mauve It's not. I just did some quick digging, and all the sources I've found say that it's got about ~120mm of armor

twin egret Jun 18, 2019, 11:44 PM

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give the bat chat 2.2 interclip reload and a fourth shell?

violet forum Jun 18, 2019, 11:45 PM

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no

dusky oxide Jun 18, 2019, 11:50 PM

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@violet sonnet who here is calling the e50m op only because the chart shows so? And I agree with meds and lights needing buffs. TDs and heavies already get way more out of the equipment system and are altogether much easier to get good results in than meds/lights.

lilac lance Jun 19, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Ok I can to the conclusion of I’ve been playing WOT for 9 years on my iPad. Because of my name tag JRC46 the 46 was the age I started to play this game and not the computer or PC version. When it frist started you could actually shoot your teammates and do damage.

soft spindle Jun 19, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Sigh

tame wharf Jun 19, 2019, 12:52 AM

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wow wait.. wot? 9 years? on IPAD????

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 12:57 AM

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@lilac lance

📎 Screenshot_20190618-205736_Samsung_Internet.jpg

twilit crystal Jun 19, 2019, 1:16 AM

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@indigo knot if good players can barely use the batchat averagely it probably sucks overall

lilac lance Jun 19, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Well I’m confused then but definitely been playing since it started

final root Jun 19, 2019, 1:49 AM

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@unique scaffold

violet sonnet Jun 19, 2019, 1:49 AM

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5 years of hell can make us forget how long has it been

zealous oriole Jun 19, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Lpl

autumn zodiac Jun 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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I'm not one for blaming Rigged MM but this couldn't be balanced any different?

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clever void Jun 19, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Lol

versed forum Jun 19, 2019, 3:37 AM

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@lilac lance just wait two more years and you'll be right

lunar gale Jun 19, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Lol

lilac lance Jun 19, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Lol

river portal Jun 19, 2019, 8:24 AM

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toon of charioteer is cheat lol 2 tier 10 guns in tier 8 mm

distant slate Jun 19, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Dont worry too much about charioteers they will nerf it soon 😂😂

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Badger's front is broken
Premium ammo
Ima bout to end this mans whole career

dark pike Jun 19, 2019, 9:07 AM

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your aim is broken

formal forge Jun 19, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Do Is-8 needs an buff?

meager sierra Jun 19, 2019, 9:37 AM

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english my man

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 9:37 AM

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155 mm guns need to have a slightly superior alpha than 150/152 mm ones

river portal Jun 19, 2019, 9:52 AM

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@dark pike lol if his aim is broking vs badger so my aim too maybe you can help us where we should shot the badger?

slim rivet Jun 19, 2019, 9:58 AM

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^^ yes please I would like to know

fringe summit Jun 19, 2019, 9:58 AM

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The Badger does not have a single weakpoint on the front. Not even a small cupola

plush radish Jun 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

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^^

humble spear Jun 19, 2019, 10:04 AM

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? What?

meager spruce Jun 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

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How the hell do you have 48% wr in IS3 Def?

thick rover Jun 19, 2019, 10:10 AM

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It isn't him

wet quail Jun 19, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Lol

noble siren Jun 19, 2019, 11:08 AM

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Batcchad is enough OP i have it and its fine

fringe summit Jun 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

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I still prefer BC25T with 1930 clip dmg

indigo knot Jun 19, 2019, 11:46 AM

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But he has 74% in wzft

meager spruce Jun 19, 2019, 11:48 AM

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@unique scaffold oh, my apologies.

white vessel Jun 19, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Doing you hp in dmg is enough

coral echo Jun 19, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Lol not with teams these days

jade cargoBOT Jun 19, 2019, 12:31 PM

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dynoSuccess ༺PokerFaceRO༻ (Adrian) [-UN1-]#0045 has been warned.

violet forum Jun 19, 2019, 1:00 PM

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@white vessel no it isn’t

neat crescent Jun 19, 2019, 1:02 PM

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🤔

drowsy plaza Jun 19, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@fringe summit Badger roof is paper. Lower plate is weak. Anything not fast enough to flank it’s abysmal traverse can HE splash it for a lot.

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@white vessel how do you figure that?

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Every single one of those tanks is over their HP and it’s not winning more than losing these days.

white vessel Jun 19, 2019, 1:29 PM

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I mean for a 48er doing his hp in dmg is enough

formal forge Jun 19, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Lower plate of the badger is weak? Why then i cant pen with mine T-62A?

drowsy plaza Jun 19, 2019, 1:49 PM

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oak prawn Jun 19, 2019, 1:50 PM

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That isn't that easy to hit, a good player knows how to use buildings and stay close to cover to not get cod. The tank is just stupidly armoured.

drowsy plaza Jun 19, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Better question why be in front of a Badger in a 62?

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A Badger can be CoD’d by pretty much everything but a Maus.

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Bingo. Fighting a badger from the front is just letting it play to it's strengths. Don't do that. Play to yours instead.

boreal hatch Jun 19, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Hi guys

fringe summit Jun 19, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Badger doesn’t seem like paper at all (From AMX 50B)

@unique scaffold But how should I take out a Badger when I’m in the T95?

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unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 2:13 PM

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That's why this is a team game. If you are going to play a tank like the T95 you need to be prepared for your team to do / not do their part. @fringe summit

violet forum Jun 19, 2019, 2:15 PM

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E3>badger

boreal hatch Jun 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Can anyone tell me why I can’t play the new Y5 T-34 even tho it shows plenty same tier and same tanks are online.?

wet quail Jun 19, 2019, 2:36 PM

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E3 isn’t better than badger

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Yeah idek

spark badge Jun 19, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Wait what ?!? E3 is not better than the badger boi, get your facts straight, t95 can move much faster than the badger lol I think u can even cod it with the 95!! Very slow

spark badge Jun 19, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Sorry I might be wrong but these are the stats

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drowsy plaza Jun 19, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Potatoes DPM on a very slow tank isn’t everything

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Not how to fight Badger.

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Better

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And best

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Even better

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Upload went out of order but the point is clear.

spark badge Jun 19, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Right right the badger’s traverse just feels a lot slower any hidden stats ?!!? A joke bois and u have to shoot it where the gap is by the gun where that little green line is !!

grave bear Jun 19, 2019, 3:20 PM

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@drowsy plaza how can be 67mm roof paper? even fv183 cant overmatch

iron harbor Jun 19, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Question: do moderators get paid for moderating?

meager spruce Jun 19, 2019, 3:44 PM

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No

fiery flame Jun 19, 2019, 4:15 PM

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@drowsy plaza don’t forget to load HE for its backside 😉

formal forge Jun 19, 2019, 4:35 PM

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@drowsy plaza coz i needed to track him to flank him 😃 saw at the same moment his lower plate was full red

drowsy plaza Jun 19, 2019, 4:58 PM

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@grave bear if your above it. But either way it’s better for splash than the front. - but the side of the area above the mantlet is even better

slim rivet Jun 19, 2019, 5:17 PM

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So we finally reach the point where WG fetish for new tds line and new op tds generate 4 tds per team? Can’t wait to see 14 tds on the battlefield

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unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 5:22 PM

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hello

jade cargoBOT Jun 19, 2019, 5:32 PM

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dynoSuccess armyguy#0030 has been warned.

distant river Jun 19, 2019, 5:42 PM

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@slim rivet had 4 183s, 2 grills and a WT on dead rail today, but its ok because its not like WG is adding more TDs...

wet quail Jun 19, 2019, 5:46 PM

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That isn’t about balance which is why they warned you

fiery flame Jun 19, 2019, 6:05 PM

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<@&481447501690568709> this guy isn’t talking about balance and his profile pic 🤦‍♂️

jade cargoBOT Jun 19, 2019, 6:06 PM

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dynoSuccess armyguy#0030 has been warned.

quick lichen Jun 19, 2019, 6:08 PM

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He’s been warned twice

jade cargoBOT Jun 19, 2019, 6:09 PM

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dynoSuccess armyguy#0030 was banned

clever void Jun 19, 2019, 6:09 PM

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You can pene Badger frontally with heavy tanks premium on the boobs

jade cargoBOT Jun 19, 2019, 6:10 PM

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dynoSuccess armyguysalt#4920 was banned

slim rivet Jun 19, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Why u all talk about heavies or mediums. All what matters is to create new tds cause the game needs to be more static

indigo knot Jun 19, 2019, 6:52 PM

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The next tier 10 premium will be Wt pz E100 and 279e....
Afterall they launch tier 10 premiums for winter fair

drowsy plaza Jun 19, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@slim rivet the tier 7-9 are quite mobile. So they aren’t found in usually TD camping spots (unless they are generally morons).

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I don’t have the 4005, but given it’s rather paperly giant size - and quick’ish burst potential I wouldn’t be camping in it.

teal olive Jun 19, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Lol my biggest games in it have been while wolfpacking with meds or heavies and farming up damage right behind them. And sure, I’m no doubt gonna camp on a map like dead rail, but I don’t do it 24/7.

deft owl Jun 19, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Buff Fv 215b 183.

desert vortex Jun 19, 2019, 10:43 PM

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o?

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 10:50 PM

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If there are any devs listening can you try to make the scorpion tank from halo a real thing in the game

slim rivet Jun 19, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Please buff all tds and implement new ones. No one plays them and the game lacks diversity

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unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 11:00 PM

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And if so. please make it cost silver.
Im sorry if this is the wrong chat room.

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2019, 11:01 PM

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I hope that’s a joke because there are 8 in that game, also Badger pretty trolly on armor 😓

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2019, 11:03 PM

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E

lament vessel Jun 19, 2019, 11:25 PM

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@slim rivet lol
Those tds r annoying af....

dusky oxide Jun 19, 2019, 11:30 PM

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How tanks are supposed to be played is different from how theyre played. And seeing as 6-5 TDs per game is the norm at high tiers, you will run into a lot of static situations.

slim rivet Jun 19, 2019, 11:50 PM

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5/6 tds used to be the norm. As from today it’s more like 7/8 lmao. I ve played exactly 7 games with 8 tds @dusky oxide

iron lynx Jun 20, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Buff all TDs?
It's not that they're underpowered in any way

violet sonnet Jun 20, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Pls for lov of god think about buffing equipment for mediums... why heavies and meds basically have the same spotting ranges

drowsy plaza Jun 20, 2019, 1:28 AM

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3.8/3.9 clobbered Meds in 7–10

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Meds need a view range buff, and the pre 3.8 rammer back

teal olive Jun 20, 2019, 4:30 AM

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It sucks how diversity is dying in this game. Heavies get nearly the same exact penetration as TDs, and certain tanks have same view ranges as Meds. Not very fair

torn cliff Jun 20, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Sorry for the tag @@lusty silo I would hope new consumables is a joke and they will be removing consumables soon.
If WG adds new consumables to every Nation. It will change gameplay completely and it will be very hard to game balance
I heard something called - Come Back kit - Which revive yourself for 7 seconds after death? Sounds crazy
Those consumables have it's place in MadGames.
#feedback

merry stump Jun 20, 2019, 8:27 AM

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buff tortoise frontal armor or make tortoise faster cuz its rlly hard to use espicially when u grind fot 183, it need alot i mean 293k is too much and 183 had no concealment

dim field Jun 20, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Would totally be ok with a tortoise buff. More speed or better armor

elfin marlin Jun 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Tortoise is fine but 183 needs beter concealment

fringe summit Jun 20, 2019, 8:45 AM

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What I see too is that tier X always has at least 2 or 3 heavies and 2 or 3 TDs. Rarely mediums these days

distant river Jun 20, 2019, 8:50 AM

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So what do we do? Buff the TDs, isnt that right @elfin marlin ?

flat bane Jun 20, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Buff everything untill everything is balanced

dim field Jun 20, 2019, 9:33 AM

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I wonder what people would think about if Wg added a new med line but gave them the classification of a TD. Would people be upset wg released another "TD" line?

elfin marlin Jun 20, 2019, 9:34 AM

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Bring all tanks back to its original status. Buffing and nerfing isn't good for the game. Just deal as it is and fight harder

meager spruce Jun 20, 2019, 9:34 AM

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I would be because then players in these tank would have the excuse to camp @dim field

tawdry rapids Jun 20, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Plan?

distant river Jun 20, 2019, 9:38 AM

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You heard it here first people, "buffing and nerfing [aka balance] is bad for the game"

thick rover Jun 20, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Sarcasm isn't healthy on these servers if you want to give a point make an objective one

elfin marlin Jun 20, 2019, 9:46 AM

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When you look at game gueue yesterday, 900 tds, 1400 MT, 1200 LT and 1300 HT....... So the majority plays MT/LT tanks. And camping is only be done by inexperienced and low Wr players @distant river if you quote someone, quote the whole sentence not a part. I said also deal with the tanks as they are. @thick rover he is probably more of a MT/LT player that can't avoid getting hit by a 183 or other derp gun.

dim field Jun 20, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Making a statement like "he is probably more of a MT/LT player that can't avoid getting hit by a 183 or other derp gun" undermines you're point to an extent. It's a needless and possibly petty assumption.

slim rivet Jun 20, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Ur numbers are not honest @elfin marlin those numbers are consolidated from tier 1 to tier 10. We all know that there is less tds in low tiers and at least 3 (I did almost 10 games with 8 tds per team yesterday) at tier 10.

outer nimbus Jun 20, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Yes please being 183 back to its pre buff state

distant river Jun 20, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Well camping is not ony done by inexperienced and low WR people, probably about 85% or more of the playerbase camp in TDs. I did quote the entire sentence, the section you pointed out is a different sentence but still doesnt change the meaning.

elfin marlin Jun 20, 2019, 9:56 AM

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@slim rivet I played tier 9-10 games yesterday too and a few tier 8 and most of the time there were 1-2 TDs per team for me. Also we don't talk about tier 9-10 only but on the numbers of TD dominating in the teams per battle. Yes occasionally you may have 4-5 TDs in a battle but that was 3years ago also. I remember having 6 TDs in my team against 3hts 3 MTs and a TD and we still won.

outer nimbus Jun 20, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Ofc you wouldve won. Its 6 TDs camping at the back vs a random team who doesnt realise that just cause a tank isnt spotted doesnt mean it isnt there. As long as ur other tank does a decent job spotting it would be easy

dim field Jun 20, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Not everyone who uses a Td camps. People who camp in a Td are likely to camp in almost any tank. They gravitate towards Tds since in camping situations a TD is usually more likely to excel at it.

dusky oxide Jun 20, 2019, 10:53 AM

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An average player usually camps in TDs because they lack awareness and like sniping. And the 'average' part of the playerbase makes up most of It.

high pumice Jun 20, 2019, 11:08 AM

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I don't camp because I hate camping and it is very boring but I still keep losing

hazy raven Jun 20, 2019, 12:00 PM

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<@&481447501690568709> Can u just say it to wargaming that the description just disappears and i wasn't born in 1970 XD

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meager spruce Jun 20, 2019, 12:00 PM

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once again a tag for no reason

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 12:01 PM

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@hazy raven a. They know. b. We don't work for Wargaming. Please don't ping us for in game issues. c. This is balance discussion and has nothing to do with clans.

jade cargoBOT Jun 20, 2019, 12:03 PM

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dynoSuccess Yole#2004 has been warned.

shy wren Jun 20, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Pinned Messages @desert pasture

fiery flame Jun 20, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Whoever manages the server should really rename the channel to “vehicle-balance-discussion” or something similar

desert pasture Jun 20, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I think there are more pressing matters to be dealt with

shy wren Jun 20, 2019, 2:21 PM

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The timers are needed to reduce span
It’s random MM, which balances around the team tank composition, and it’s fine how it is
TDs are the natural counter to HTs, as their powerful guns are supposed to punch holes into the HTs.
It’s not P2W. It’s more of Pay 2 Progress Faster. If you have a OP tank and play like a potato, it’s not P2W. Skilled players can make tough to play tanks look very strong, while the opposite is true

dusky oxide Jun 20, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Youre saying the problem of high dmg TDs being used to camp should be fixed by heavies getting more armor so "people can be more competitive"? Ok... :D you should be on the dev team. @desert pasture

jade cargoBOT Jun 20, 2019, 2:41 PM

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dynoSuccess f1re5ar#4277 has been warned.

dark pike Jun 20, 2019, 2:43 PM

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do you want longer queue times?

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Matchmaking is fine. This is not the channel to discuss matchmaking. the 10-minute timer is in place to prevent players from spamming this channel with matchmaking complaints every time they get a team that wasn't capable of carrying them.

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In case you are unclear here is an example of how this channel should be used.

The t54e1 is a bit underpowered, it should have true 105 mm alpha and a high explosive round.

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@desert pasture read the first pinned message please

cyan frost Jun 20, 2019, 3:13 PM

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the exelsior has to good armor like you can only take out by flanking if your ucky

dusky oxide Jun 20, 2019, 3:52 PM

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@desert pasture youre supposed to counter the meta of high alpha tds promoting static gameplay by limiting TDs and making meds and lights better at countering them, not by buffing the armor values on heavies.

raw oar Jun 20, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Buff LT/MT view range and nerf TD view range.

indigo knot Jun 20, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@unique scaffold its getting buffed next patch
I don't know about 350 alpha(tier 8 will suffer by that) but HE ammo should be there

drowsy plaza Jun 20, 2019, 4:51 PM

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If you go back to pre 3.8 equipment, very few heavies had optics. Cam net while more effective only offered a boost when static. Rammer was more potent, which was more significant to the higher DPM (medium/light) tanks. Post 3.8/3.9 heavies got increased view range, option for more armor. Traverse boosts, while Meds list DPM, lost pen, lost alpha on Prammo (technically everything did - but more significant to med/lights).

distant river Jun 20, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@indigo knot i thought T54E1 was just getting accuracy buff

raw oar Jun 20, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Currently, 'naked' tanks (tier X) view ranges are : LT/MT 274-285m ; HT/TD : 264-269m. That can amount to nearly 8% better view range (best case). But maps are so small...

fiery flame Jun 20, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Camo is more important than view range

indigo knot Jun 20, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I wish Leo1 was buffed like aim time same as 62a and dpm was a bit higher

slim rivet Jun 20, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Leo is fine. It’s alpha is higher than t62s

raw oar Jun 20, 2019, 5:14 PM

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There is probably a subtle balance to find between camo and view range. But, imo, giving MT a better possibility to scout would be beneficial. The reality is that TD can camp too safely atm.

indigo knot Jun 20, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Leo1 is big med....has big profile (bad camo rating) no armour(even bat chat gets more bounces that it) good mobility good gun(but 62a has better) just a touch low dpm to the Russian meds....and is situational(map dependent way more that any other med)....I have seen many super unis getting flogged at the start of the battle in it .... requires high skill cap(almost as much as bat chat)

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 5:49 PM

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High skill cap doesn't mean the tank is bad, if you can't play it then probably you're too bad for the tank

Excellent mobility and an excellent gun is all that expirienced player needs to make a tank work

indigo knot Jun 20, 2019, 5:53 PM

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I mean to say it has more cons than pros....
I am not a super uni 70%er but can make it work(57wr in leo1 is not that bad)

indigo knot Jun 20, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Turret traverse and soft stats are not that good on leo1 too

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Look man idk I don't own one but from what I've seen it's a pretty balanced tank

quartz steeple Jun 20, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Its pretty good

grave bear Jun 20, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Leo1 is way harder to play than batchat. autoloaders usually are easy to play, and batchat has super fast clip reload.

dusky oxide Jun 20, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Its just that most of the playerbase will do badly in the leo.

desert pasture Jun 20, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Thoughts on 183, personally i think there isn’t any balance, maybe make reload 40 sec so it becomes unplayable or just remove altogether?

slim rivet Jun 20, 2019, 7:29 PM

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It can’t be balanced and it won’t be removed. It’s condemned to stay like this and we are condemned to suffer from it

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 7:32 PM

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^

nimble zodiac Jun 20, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Think of Leo 1 as a T6 Dracula, is it underpowered now?

indigo knot Jun 20, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Does it have acceleration of drac or spaced armour to protect from HE

unique warren Jun 20, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Is the Badger a bit overpowered? How can we obtain it? (Two weird questions when put together)

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 8:14 PM

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No and 💳💲💳💲

teal olive Jun 20, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Leopard 1 needs a RoF reduction and an alpha buff. A tank like the leo cant apply its DPM like the soviet meds Can.

indigo knot Jun 20, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Are you suggesting a makeover like they did in PC

violet sonnet Jun 20, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Would be cool but BLitz Leo1 is a lot better put than pre buff leo on wot pc

fringe summit Jun 20, 2019, 9:56 PM

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I would like Leopard with german hesh and 390 alpha on standard

kind swallow Jun 20, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Same for cdc
Buff to dmg
This tank is awful, it's ez to fight for anything

clever void Jun 20, 2019, 10:16 PM

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That is like first time Ive ever heard someone knock the CDC

fiery flame Jun 20, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Most people can’t play it right lol

drowsy plaza Jun 20, 2019, 10:35 PM

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If he thinks the CDC is bad clearly he never played it at initial release.

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That was awful.

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Hey

narrow peak Jun 20, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Oh you these exp CDC

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Plz excuse my bad English

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They only thing i hate about the CDC is no matter what tanks you face if that guy is smart enough then he is alway gonna have more DPM or you playing the fu€king T49 with the derp gun of course or something else like how I feel the gun don’t line up right with the sniper mode when you pop over a hill and fire

twin egret Jun 20, 2019, 11:35 PM

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FV4202 needs dispersion buff

violet sonnet Jun 21, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Ahem give us Action X and make that like leo with turret armor.

teal olive Jun 21, 2019, 1:25 AM

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@narrow peak the cdc has good dpm

lucid wraith Jun 21, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I feel like I do not want to devote more hours to the game because I always play bad teams ugh

plain urchin Jun 21, 2019, 3:14 AM

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anybody else get this message?

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stoic light Jun 21, 2019, 3:32 AM

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yea I had a problem like that with someone in my clan @plain urchin

thick rover Jun 21, 2019, 3:58 AM

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@twin egret I think it's dispersion Is reasonably good for a tank with decent armour profile and HESH maybe what you want is aim time buff? But then again it's the balancing factor against it's HESH shells

twin egret Jun 21, 2019, 3:59 AM

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aim time is already good enough but having a shell go outside the aim reticle when the FV4202 is fully aimed is just...why u do this

thick rover Jun 21, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Oh I see

next zenith Jun 21, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Charioteer needs a nerf. The gun reloads too quick and it is very OP in battles

empty ice Jun 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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@next zenith shhhhhhh

next zenith Jun 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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And Smasher needs a nerf

empty ice Jun 21, 2019, 9:15 AM

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*buff

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2019, 9:56 AM

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Hi

rotund scarab Jun 21, 2019, 10:38 AM

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If OP, Then why is it so easy to ace charioteer?

cyan frost Jun 21, 2019, 10:55 AM

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why is it to easy to take out engine on jagdtiger like i had it taken out 2 times in a mach

tribal summit Jun 21, 2019, 11:03 AM

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Where is the bug chanell? 7 minutes waiting for next writing ...

meager spruce Jun 21, 2019, 11:05 AM

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@tribal summit #585464006936887306 #585463961730940929 #585464171349409811

distant river Jun 21, 2019, 11:29 AM

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@cyan frost the germans put the transmission right at the front so most frontal hits will damage it

thick rover Jun 21, 2019, 12:09 PM

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@tribal summit Its slowmode to prevent spam and we can't do anything about it :((

tribal summit Jun 21, 2019, 12:11 PM

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But 7 minutes seems too much

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2019, 12:13 PM

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7 minutes is fine

slim rivet Jun 21, 2019, 12:23 PM

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Why u lose 7 minutes writing u are losing 7 minutes then @boreal hatch ? 😹

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Look in #devs-answers the answer on why slow mode is what it is will be found there.

cyan frost Jun 21, 2019, 1:23 PM

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@distant river yes but not the engine wich is at the back and my loader was hit when my engine was and shit my ferdinand hadn't got as much of those thing as jagdtiger

distant river Jun 21, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Engine and transmission are counted as 1 module in wotb

thick rover Jun 21, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Is that a call for balancing?

acoustic shard Jun 21, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Those Conway's are complete'y Broken. A combination of op DPM and crazy mobility make it like some sort of Large medium tank. Impossible to Circle same as the tier 8 charioteer, and with those powers that make it even faster it's just ridicules. the tier 7 is the only semi balanced tank in the line. The tier 8 isn't a turreted TD at all. It's nothing short of a medium tank with crazy rate of fire and Ridicules amounts of HE pan. They even have powers to slow down in coming DMG from HE. They need a major mobility nerf, DPM nerf, and HE pen nerf. And those mad game's powers need to be removed from normal mode.

deft owl Jun 21, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Buff Fv215b 183.

wide flume Jun 21, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Lol, all they needed to do was nerf the camo and traverse on fv215b 183, not the gun sigh~ ¯_(ツ)_/¯

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Buff Kpfpz 70 HE and shave a 0.5 sec of reload off it

stoic light Jun 21, 2019, 5:50 PM

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It needs more than .5 shaved off, 2 seconds would be more helpful

distant river Jun 21, 2019, 6:03 PM

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I would say buff APCR pen and give it AP as prammo with 640 alpha with same pen as APCR now
(And buff HE damage)

quartz steeple Jun 21, 2019, 6:07 PM

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What caliber is its gun?

fiery flame Jun 21, 2019, 6:12 PM

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150mm

distant river Jun 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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152*

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Nice Job @latent jolt ^^^ But do that here: #off-topic-discussion next time 😉 👌

latent jolt Jun 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Understood

nimble zodiac Jun 21, 2019, 11:48 PM

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@acoustic shard they’re planning to nerf Conway

acoustic shard Jun 21, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Yay

formal chasm Jun 22, 2019, 12:48 AM

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HOORRAY!

shy wren Jun 22, 2019, 1:09 AM

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@nimble zodiac just the stock tracks

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2019, 2:45 AM

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They should buff the Rudys armor

crystal spoke Jun 22, 2019, 2:55 AM

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How much do you suggest buffing it to

paper kestrel Jun 22, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Lol they should buff the servers. Impossible to play without 1000+ ping anymore

open mountain Jun 22, 2019, 7:17 AM

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I got it up to 5400

lost sinew Jun 22, 2019, 7:47 AM

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T32 needs a total buff, I think one of the worst tanks in its tier and surely the worst in its class

flat bane Jun 22, 2019, 8:37 AM

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..... I'm not going to start on that one...

undone thistle Jun 22, 2019, 8:51 AM

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mighty spear Jun 22, 2019, 8:53 AM

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I think t32 turret is amazing but gun needs to be improved so it can compete. Penetration wise it should have more and the gun must be more accurate

fringe summit Jun 22, 2019, 9:02 AM

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The Charioteer got nerfed. Camo rating used to be 70 and 50. Now its somewhere around 30 and 15

deep pewter Jun 22, 2019, 9:06 AM

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i think Badger should have front armor buff i got pen by every one ( even not with gold shell)

errant warren Jun 22, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Umm IT IS still 70 and 50

slim rivet Jun 22, 2019, 9:17 AM

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Nice troll @deep pewter

desert pasture Jun 22, 2019, 9:28 AM

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The level of players at T10 is awful!! Make it harder to get tier 10 tanks or implement requirements like 55% win rate for instance?

smoky yoke Jun 22, 2019, 10:02 AM

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40-50% is almost 40-70% of the player base or more. Above 50% is like 25%-40% give or take

dreamy crest Jun 22, 2019, 10:03 AM

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@smoky yoke its sad

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Hmmm

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dreamy crest Jun 22, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Gg wg

raw oar Jun 22, 2019, 10:28 AM

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@smoky yoke I would suspect that there are as many players above 50% than below 50% wr (ok, 48% maybe).

lavish beacon Jun 22, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Welcome to online gaming

lost sinew Jun 22, 2019, 11:22 AM

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@tepid pilot and how is that related to balance discussion?!

desert pasture Jun 22, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Ye true that isn’t the place nor is it worth while trying to get someone reported

meager spruce Jun 22, 2019, 11:31 AM

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this is not the place

tepid pilot Jun 22, 2019, 11:42 AM

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I did not know

olive hawk Jun 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

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😂

tepid pilot Jun 22, 2019, 12:03 PM

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@olive hawk ??

jade cargoBOT Jun 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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dynoSuccess f1re5ar#4277 has been warned.

indigo knot Jun 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Is it just me or Is6 and Is5 are not worth playing now a days
Is3 and is3 def are more reliable than those
With the 252u and Wz112-2 they are obsolete

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 2:34 PM

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IS-5 never was. IS-6 is still fantastic, if you use it properly.

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2019, 2:36 PM

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I am quite good with IS-5, I find it efficient, if equipped properly and with the right combo between provisions and equipments

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 2:37 PM

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It’s an easy 60-65% tank for most. But it’s not a 70% plus tank like the IS-6 can be.

indigo knot Jun 22, 2019, 3:08 PM

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@drowsy plazawhich gun do you use on is6

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Cc

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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DPM gun.

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@indigo knot the lower pen doesn’t hurt on the majority of targets and the high pen gun doesn’t help on the front of an E 75 or ST-I if they are playing it right.

desert pasture Jun 22, 2019, 4:46 PM

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I think both IS-5 and IS-6 are equally as competitive although I don’t struggle to pen them with anything...

final tulip Jun 22, 2019, 4:48 PM

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I feel the same about the IS tanks in general they are so hard to pen.

echo marsh Jun 22, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Guys when will our crew be available??? Im on tier already and theres no crew.

wet nymph Jun 22, 2019, 5:32 PM

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i just realized all the y5 tanks have cromwell chassis

steady oracle Jun 22, 2019, 5:36 PM

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amma rate this lame match make 5/10

ivory sphinx Jun 22, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Please fix the auto-aim mechanism in regular [non sniper] mode. Especially when turret is turning. The shot never lands, even at point blank range.

runic grove Jun 22, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Where can u watch live streams??

clever void Jun 22, 2019, 6:14 PM

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This is a problem. I agree. Especially at close range the shot never seems to hit

teal olive Jun 22, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Will the smasher ever get nerfed? It’s a “collector” tank and should be nerfed ASAP

smoky yoke Jun 22, 2019, 7:21 PM

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There was a website 1 year ago that showed player stats on average 40-50% made of half or more of wot blitz playerbase. Wotbstars.com ,he rage quite the game and deleted the website after. @raw oar I think there was a large number in 10,000 that were 30-40% but I will have to find a screen shot from it.

visual saddle Jun 22, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Can Wargaming balance the TOG?

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@visual saddle what don’t you think is balanced on the TOG II?

visual saddle Jun 22, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Tog needs to be foot long sandwich

grim horizon Jun 22, 2019, 8:32 PM

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i just wanted to bring up a fact that i went over and looked at low tier tanks and i gotta question this.... how are Tier 2's supposed to compete against 3's, tier 3's against 4's tier 4's against 5's and 5's against 6's? im sorry but wasnt 5.5 supposed to "help new players" cus i totally agree with my friend that tried to play the game for the first time that seal clubbing hasnt changed at all instead of D.W.2 you see KV-1's & StuG III G's i'm gonna cover the HP, Gun, Turret Traverse, View Range, Avg Speed & Hull Traverse lets go look at a tier 2, so i bought a M3 Stuart and placed Rammer & Optics on it.

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Separate queues for new players.

grim horizon Jun 22, 2019, 8:43 PM

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with 100% crew and only Rammer & Optics on the tank M3 Stuart has 320 HP its hull has 40/25/25 max at each spot with its top turret with 45/40/35 turret armor 253 View Range (With Optics) 516 DPM, 4.65 Reload (With Rammer), 76mm of Avg Penetration with 40 Avg Alpha Damge, 2.3 Second Aim Time, and .364 Dispersion @ 100 Meters with Gun Elevation and Depression Angles at a Max of 20/10, its Turret Traverse is sitting at 41.72 Degrees Per Second it goes along at its Avg Speed of 35 km/h but can max out at 50 forward 20 reverse, @drowsy plaza not exactly he faced someone with about 100ish battles in a AMX 38 alone on his first match in his new account as he lost his old one and he only had like 20 or so battles on that one

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 8:56 PM

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@grim horizon low tier tanks are always at some sort of disadvantage. However you have high tiers too, so one needs to be situationally aware and engage targets as practical.

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If you think you are at a disadvantage now - try a stock 50% Pershing against a bunch of X’s back in +/-2.

thin fable Jun 22, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Y would u play with 50% crew

final garnet Jun 22, 2019, 10:10 PM

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@thin fable lmao i was about to say that too as i somehow ended up in here

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 10:27 PM

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@thin fable because back in 2014 I didn’t know any better

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I ground my first 13 tier X tanks all with 50% crews. ☺️

fiery flame Jun 22, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@drowsy plaza damn that’s as hardcore as it gets

drowsy plaza Jun 22, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Just didn’t have credits and no real understanding of the game.

grave bear Jun 23, 2019, 12:08 AM

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well 13 tiers X and still not knowing the game wtf 😂 😂 😂 👌

clever void Jun 23, 2019, 1:04 AM

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sounds like Me 😄

mint haven Jun 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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guys, don't you think the 183 should have been replaced with the badger? like doesn't it seem like a perfect successor to the tortoise?
put tankneeEERD in chat if you agree

raven anvil Jun 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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I honestly think they need to make a completely now line for 183 and make the at and tortoise series go up to the badger

nimble zodiac Jun 23, 2019, 2:12 AM

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And then nerf Badger because it would be a tech tree tank

thick rover Jun 23, 2019, 2:48 AM

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What's the most OP tier X in your opinion

violet burrow Jun 23, 2019, 3:09 AM

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The Sheridan

neat crescent Jun 23, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Whats a Sheridan @violet burrow?

sullen vault Jun 23, 2019, 3:45 AM

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@neat crescent The tier 10 american light tank on the pc version of WOT,hes mostly likely being sarcastic.however this is more for #general-blitz-discussion

neat crescent Jun 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Buff chieftain 👀

finite walrus Jun 23, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Is wargaming a dev?

inner goblet Jun 23, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Can someone explain to me why the Challenger is such a complete and utter steaming pile of garbage without a single redeeming feature and is objectively, by far the worst T7 TD in the game? And, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't being touched in 6.1?

last nova Jun 23, 2019, 5:48 AM

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The challenger has a good gun a mobility but the AT8 just has it's armor

dark pike Jun 23, 2019, 6:06 AM

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at 8 is tier 6

inner goblet Jun 23, 2019, 6:18 AM

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It's gun is the worst out of any T7 TD. No DPM, low alpha and medicore pen. Don't even get me started on the 32 pdr. Lowest DPM out of any T7 TD and 800 less than the T25/2, which is very similar

smoky yoke Jun 23, 2019, 6:19 AM

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alot of the armor helps alot but really slow for blitz meta all the at tanks but the fv4005 is alot more enoyable to play.

last nova Jun 23, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Yey sorry I get the AT8 and the AT7 mixed up often

quartz crown Jun 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

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@inner goblet the rest of the line is flat out broken, you’ll be fine with some pain

visual nimbus Jun 23, 2019, 7:16 AM

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No pain no gain

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 7:38 AM

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183 is just trash, not worth to grind it anymore

dark pike Jun 23, 2019, 7:42 AM

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good riddance then

smoky yoke Jun 23, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Still fun 1 shotter tank especially if you get max roll , kills win-rate but still fun. Only reason to play AT line

elfin marlin Jun 23, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Big IF nowadays.......

smoky yoke Jun 23, 2019, 9:41 AM

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I get it sometimes maybe every 3 games or so, have the skill maxed out already

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Dissatisfied with the Pzkpfw III Ausf. A free tank.

Would rather have:

the old stock 3.7 cm gun
(Why? Because it would fire much faster with, say, 19 rounds per minute, and have less penetration but much (nearly 200) more DPM), quicker aim time and better accuracy.

the old stock turret with only 14.5 mm of armour
(Why? Because, combined with the change of gun, would make the tank 2 tons lighter and more agile, with a new effective power to weight ratio of 20.6 - that's a touch better than the tech tree Pzkpfw III)

void pewter Jun 23, 2019, 11:17 AM

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🤔

distant river Jun 23, 2019, 11:17 AM

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@fiery turtle so you are complaining about a free tier 3? Interesting...

grave bear Jun 23, 2019, 11:29 AM

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its a tier 3, who actually cares of tiers 3
i dont even care of tiers 7<<< , tiers 3 doesnt exist more for me since 3.2 years

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 11:30 AM

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Help I am addicted to the WTToday at 12:17
"@fiery turtle so you are complaining about a free tier 3? Interesting..."

Yes. It's too similar to the tech tree Pzkpfw III the way it is now - so there's no point in driving it.

To make it worth driving, it should feel a lot different to the tech tree Pzkpfw III. Having a faster firing gun and more agility would do that.

indigo knot Jun 23, 2019, 11:31 AM

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Sell it and get 50 gold

fiery flame Jun 23, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Wise words @indigo knot

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Walter WhiteToday at 12:31
"Sell it and get 50 gold"

Already did that after 5.5 - now I've got the tank back again. Besides, I make 50 gold a day from watching videos.

indigo knot Jun 23, 2019, 11:42 AM

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Is it me or Arl44 is OP now...the armour is kinda to much...

fiery flame Jun 23, 2019, 11:45 AM

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@fiery turtle do you play tier 3 and still enjoy it?

sour fox Jun 23, 2019, 12:09 PM

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@indigo knot same here i also think arl got to much armor

fringe summit Jun 23, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Just spam the gold XD

indigo knot Jun 23, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Not everyone spams gold...(I spam though)

shy wren Jun 23, 2019, 1:06 PM

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@sour fox the turret sides were buffed from 30mm to 50mm recently, so it’s tougher to pen right through the cheeks now

sour fox Jun 23, 2019, 1:14 PM

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@Supermini555#7380 oh thx

drowsy plaza Jun 23, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Admittedly before the buff you could smash the turret of the ARL in an E8 with AP.

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 1:36 PM

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yeah ARL is kind of op front amor is so strong lower-plate is also way to strong i think they should give him atleast one week spot at the front, i now you can penetrait its turet whit a lot of luck and mabey some gold XD

drowsy plaza Jun 23, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Sides and rear are still easy though.

meager spruce Jun 23, 2019, 2:00 PM

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@drowsy plaza true but with the recent buff (which was uncalled for) it is a bit over the top just like VK28 was before the nerf

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 2:19 PM

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yeah but if you stand infront you dont have a chance

meager spruce Jun 23, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Unless you are a Jagdpanzer4

mighty spear Jun 23, 2019, 2:24 PM

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True

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 2:30 PM

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YEAH but tank-destroiers ar made for destroing tanks so that is just normal but what if your are the kv 1s ore the churchilVII

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Plz don't get rid of the kv2

indigo knot Jun 23, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Kv2 was one of those tanks I hate... doesn't suit my playstyle at all

quick crown Jun 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I'll say remove it and replace it with the T-150

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 3:00 PM

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^ most kv2 players are noobs who don't have skill to play anything else anyways

distant river Jun 23, 2019, 3:36 PM

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@fiery turtle why not buff pz3? Otherwise that will just becone useless

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Why do you play it and an even better question why do y'all expect good gifts from WG, it's known that we only get crappy t3 tanks everytime

civic topaz Jun 23, 2019, 3:55 PM

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@unique scaffold What would you like to receive? A T22 for such an easy event?

mellow cape Jun 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I think the only nerf charioteer needs is HESH being removed and replaced with HEAT. That way you don't get the crazy DPM and about 3K DPM on a tier 8 tank destroyer with no armor is fine imo.

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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@fiery flame:
"@fiery turtle do you play tier 3 and still enjoy it?"

Having a difficult time in the T-70/57 and the FCM 36 Pak 40 right now - both very sub-par tanks.

high pumice Jun 23, 2019, 4:32 PM

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The y5 tanks are super bad

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Lol okay

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 4:37 PM

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@distant river Help I am addicted to the WT :
"@fiery turtle why not buff pz3? Otherwise that will just become useless"

191 more DPM and improved acceleration, as per my suggestion, IS a buff. Improved acceleration means the tank can reach its top speed quicker, so tank will feel faster overall. Good turret armour would no longer be necessary because better acceleration (therefore faster dodging) makes it easier to avoid being shot.

fiery flame Jun 23, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@fiery turtle just stop playing tier 3, WG purposefully ruined it so that it will only serve as a stepping stone to the higher tiers.

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Lol. It's tier III. There are far bigger fish to fry before we worry about a collectible tank in tier III.

distant river Jun 23, 2019, 4:46 PM

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@fiery turtle i said buff pz3 not pz3a

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 4:47 PM

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@unique scaffold Megatron:
"Lol. It's tier III. There are far bigger fish to fry before we worry about a collectible tank in tier III."

Sure, but fixing a Tier III tank is a LOT easier and would cause a million times less hostile reaction than fixing the utterly broken Smasher. That's a fish so big that a nuclear bomb wouldn't be hot enough to fry it!

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@civic topaz lmao the talk was about how bad the pz3a we got was, I just said how it's expected to be trash as it's a gift, I never said anything about the event

civic topaz Jun 23, 2019, 4:52 PM

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@unique scaffold My post was regarding this line: "it's known that we only get crappy t3 tanks everytime"

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 5:05 PM

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I'm not the one complaining about useless tanks that we get as a gift, I have played long enough that I know we won't get a tank that's actually worth anything. But the players above who were complaining about how bad the pz3a is and wanting a buff for it obviously are. I was tryna tell them that they won't get a good tank for free or as a gift from WG. Ever.

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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@unique scaffold :
"I was tryna tell them that they won't get a good tank for free as a gift from WG. Ever."

Not true.

The Xmas freebie BT-7 artillery was great (especially before 5.5). And people got the Pzkpfw IV Anko in a very easy event (only 5 wins) - and the Kuro Mori Mini in a slightly less easy event (15 wins).

Going back further, most players got either the Dracula or the Helsing for free in a grinding event back in 2016. (I got the Dracula myself.)

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Event tank ≠ gift tank

Bt7 art wasn't too bad but certainly nothing special, others you mentioned were event tanks who aren't 'free' or 'gift tanks' as it takes time or/and some other things to obtain them

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 5:25 PM

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This isn’t really an event

meager spruce Jun 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Why say so?

So would you say that AC 4 Sentinel events was not an event? Because it was literally just enjoying the game and there was not really a challenge

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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This is play the game and get free stuff

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Where’s the challenge?

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Enjoying?

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That’s a bad word choice for this update

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 5:28 PM

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It takes a lot more time to complete it than just what you would call 'casual playing'

So great, now this isn't even an event? Lmao nice

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 5:28 PM

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It’s up to you how much you want to complete

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It’s not time locked in a sense

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It’s not 10 wins a day for 14 days

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It’s literally as much as you want to play

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There are no challenges or missions to it

mellow cape Jun 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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I am already at about level 69, this is a nice event and all events should be like this imo

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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You get rewarded for just playing. You don’t like that? @unique scaffold

meager spruce Jun 23, 2019, 5:37 PM

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So you want events to be like the Biathlon aka the Chieftan event? Nearly impossible to complete? also I will keep editing this message as the slowmode is too long here

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I think the event is amazing but it would seem that you're the one who doesn't like it because it's so easy that it's not even worthy to be called an event

And by 'you' I meant raik

fringe summit Jun 23, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Oof

fiery flame Jun 23, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Need more events that require skill and not endless grinding in my opinion, much prefer to play 30 games or so than a few hundred. But I do see how it’s unfair for people who aren’t super unicums

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 6:55 PM

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^^^

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Why not have a way to earn extra cakes through skill?

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All this is doing is encouraging mindless battle spamming

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That to me isn’t a great event

meager spruce Jun 23, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Well alright. it may be a good idea to have implemented a feature that for every mastery you get a legendary booster or something like that. But the events can not be impossible. For example Type59 event. It is highly improbable or should I say very very hard to keep average xp over 30 games to be 1300.

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 7:01 PM

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There’s a way to combine the two styles is all I’m saying

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The type 59 event was to get the tank for a heavily discounted price

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Honestly kinda smart. It’s an old premium and it doesn’t stand out with the mod 1, t-34-3, t-44-100 and all of the tech tree tanks

indigo knot Jun 23, 2019, 7:16 PM

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I like the short 30 game events ....for gravedigger I did endless grind and later sold it for gold

fiery flame Jun 23, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I didn’t even bother with that event after I calculated how many battles it would take

stiff rain Jun 23, 2019, 7:31 PM

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I have to laugh at all the people griping about the FREE crap py tanks u get from wot but if u think back the drac. and the helsing and the is 3 defender even the gravedigger was all in events now everyone is crying how op some of these tanks are. this event is super easy and full of coin and booster and gold and u get 4 free tanks good or bad they are free down the road when people learn how to use them right people will complain how OP they are. The stuff is free if u don't like the tanks sell them and u get a free garage slot take the free coin and buy a tank u want but don't complain about how OP the tanks are when u get killed by the tank when people learn how to use them

dreamy crest Jun 23, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I got the gravedigger for free in the event and i like it

dusky oxide Jun 23, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Imagine ranting about people complaining

fiery flame Jun 23, 2019, 8:54 PM

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@dusky oxide imagine complaining about people ranting about people complaining 👀

dusky oxide Jun 23, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Imagine complaining about a guy complaining about a guy complaining about people ranting :^) @fiery flame

narrow oxide Jun 23, 2019, 8:57 PM

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They just can't complete the event so they rant instead..

mellow cape Jun 23, 2019, 9:04 PM

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I am already on level 70, you don't need a lot of time to complete it honestly

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 9:05 PM

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folks there is #590461392889446410 for a reason

fiery turtle Jun 23, 2019, 9:39 PM

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The T-44-100 needs 40 more engine horsepower and an extra -2 degrees of gun depression.

Even then, it won't be much better than a T-44 with the stock engine, top turret and the first 100 mm gun.

fiery flame Jun 23, 2019, 9:40 PM

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T-44-100 should be left alone, it’s the perfect example of what a premium should be.

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 9:53 PM

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100%^^^

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All the original premiums were worse tech tree tanks with far higher credit coefficients

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Everyone from 2014-2015 remembers this

violet sonnet Jun 23, 2019, 9:55 PM

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100% agree man that’s how it should be... not like mod1 or like this upcoming Patriot

frigid sky Jun 23, 2019, 9:59 PM

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People always expect premiums 2 be better than tech tree , but they shouldn’t the point of a premium tank is to have a tank which u don’t need 2 grind crew skills , and have a good credit cof, there not meant to be completely broken like the smasher , obj252u ... that’s just wg wallet grabbing.
And as for the event the tanks aren’t op but there descent and free so what’s the problem?

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 10:07 PM

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@unique scaffold read the pinned messages

river portal Jun 23, 2019, 10:11 PM

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From is4

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unreal iris Jun 23, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Helsing should be nerfed significantly. IS reloads 14s to shoot for 300, Helsing reloads 10 to shoot for the same dmg + it's faster and its armor is more effective. Pls wg fix

hushed fox Jun 23, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Actually if you hit both shots in Helsing, you will roll 400.

quick lichen Jun 23, 2019, 10:16 PM

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It’s been broken since 2016?

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2015?

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 10:18 PM

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You also had a chance to get it now stop crying

nimble zodiac Jun 23, 2019, 10:18 PM

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He probably mistyped 300 as it should be 400, but Helsing actually takes 9.15sec to dish out 400 if loaded with provisions, gun rammer. But WZ Blaze seems left out, it has great DPM too

dim field Jun 23, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Please don't nerf the Blaze

dreamy crest Jun 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Gravedigger need a buff, 10pen more and it’s nice

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Hell no

nimble zodiac Jun 23, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Gravedigger is fine, use calibrated shells if you want 180mm of penetration in the Gravedigger. The armor is usable and passively strong too.

crystal spoke Jun 23, 2019, 10:31 PM

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The only thing that I can see getting buffed on the gd is the recoil bc how much it recoils now makes no sense since how big it is but even if it doesn't get this it's not that big of an issue just slow yourself down in firing

unreal iris Jun 23, 2019, 10:52 PM

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gravedigger is balanced. Helsing's ballance sucks as much as balance of Russian tanks in WoT PC

unique scaffold Jun 23, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Kv2 needs some buffs

dim field Jun 23, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Please no

lean wind Jun 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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hello people

dim field Jun 23, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Hello

jade cargoBOT Jun 23, 2019, 11:40 PM

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dynoSuccess Wargaming.net#2802 has been warned.

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Amx cdc need some buffs, its very hard to play with it. There are tanks ready to He you everywhere

grave bear Jun 24, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Amx cdc is one of my fav tanks, has one of the highest skill cap . (very hard to play effectively)

proven helm Jun 24, 2019, 12:18 AM

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French meds are usually that way

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Buff CDC Armor 😍 more DPM, more Acceleration.

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2019, 1:00 AM

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It’s prolly doesn’t need it, as big as it is and for the armor it’s balanced in speed. The DPM is very similar to other fast bois, it’s fine by me, except the fact that it’s a medum

indigo knot Jun 24, 2019, 1:04 AM

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I would love if it get a bit of gun handling buff

grave bear Jun 24, 2019, 1:25 AM

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the gun is already perfect, it has super huge pen.
other lights have 180 or even less pen, cdc around 210

frosty raft Jun 24, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Why WZ-121 has camovalue more that tds when not move is that mean it can camp right?

flat bane Jun 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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.....

frosty raft Jun 24, 2019, 2:45 AM

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@flat bane =)

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📎 Screenshot_20190624-115957_World_of_Tanks.jpg

winged barn Jun 24, 2019, 3:02 AM

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You can camp in a maus. The gun is decently accurate

flat bane Jun 24, 2019, 3:11 AM

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You can also camp in E100

thick rover Jun 24, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Can the Sturer Emil get a mobility buff? Not asking for traverse, just maybe a little top speed/engine power it won't hurt since it's made for camping, it will just let it get there faster perhaps

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2019, 4:06 AM

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The armor should already allow it to go quick but the engine suggs

frosty raft Jun 24, 2019, 4:27 AM

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@winged barn play in the bush🤔

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Can the object 140 get an armor buff or an ammo rack buff for chance to set fire decreasesment

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Why when it doesn't need a buff

ember seal Jun 24, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I seriously think the su 122 44 should have an armor nerf

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2019, 6:27 AM

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The armor is fine, if angled it still can’t really bounce many shots, but then again as a TD it’s pretty reliable especially for the gun mantlet

untold stag Jun 24, 2019, 6:27 AM

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I think armor is good

lost sinew Jun 24, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Balance Emil by giving him more ammo to begin with. With all the Smashers and OP fake tanks it’s a real pain to play it

thick rover Jun 24, 2019, 7:11 AM

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I don't see how giving more ammo helps against those tanks something like mobility / RoF/Alpha / Penetration could but I don't think it faces a lack of shells idk unless you blindshoot alot

ember seal Jun 24, 2019, 7:51 AM

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I honestly think the t54 ltwt should get a frontal armor buff

untold stag Jun 24, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Maybe fv4005 needs more armor on turret

distant river Jun 24, 2019, 8:51 AM

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@ember seal its a light, you arent meant to bounce shots with it

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM

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SO? wich tanks are op in your opinen

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@thick rover in my opinion I was fine with Emil, but a couple of times I almost ran out of ammo, when doing 4k damage two or three times

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yeah he dont has so much ammo but whit more ammo his damange potantial would be over 9000

thick rover Jun 24, 2019, 9:22 AM

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@unique scaffold Ah okay I see what you mean

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 9:34 AM

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XD

astral lava Jun 24, 2019, 10:38 AM

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WZ-120-1-GFT Needs an Armor Buff since, it can only bounce 286mm of AP by my Obj-704 right on the front it can't stand my APCR above 300+mm pen!

drowsy plaza Jun 24, 2019, 11:16 AM

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@lost sinew Emil already got at least one buff, to each of the following: ammo capacity, mobility, armor. I played it at its release before those and I didn’t have issues with it.

unreal iris Jun 24, 2019, 11:41 AM

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@unique scaffold its tracks are very weak

grizzled sleet Jun 24, 2019, 11:42 AM

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Lol Emil goes 25 last time I checked that's slower than both 2nd and 3rd heaviest tanks IN THE GAME

thick rover Jun 24, 2019, 1:38 PM

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^ Well said

safe canopy Jun 24, 2019, 2:46 PM

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tog cries in the distance

deft owl Jun 24, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Buff Fv215b 183

lost sinew Jun 24, 2019, 6:00 PM

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@drowsy plaza I know it was buffed long time ago which was way before introduction of many broken tanks to tiers 7/8. Without doing blind shots I run out of HE ammo for kill shots on M6 goose and Obj252U. Also AP is not that great vs Obj either and since there’s no premium ammo you can get easily screwed

untold stag Jun 24, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Charioteer

manic verge Jun 24, 2019, 6:59 PM

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i think the wz 120 ft is very "balanced", isnt it?

violet sonnet Jun 24, 2019, 7:22 PM

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It should’ve caused revolution but it didn’t

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Hello brothers

fringe summit Jun 24, 2019, 8:52 PM

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It might sounds weird, but it feels like the Wz 120 1 g ft already got powercreeped...

summer vessel Jun 24, 2019, 8:55 PM

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hola

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 9:15 PM

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@sweet ibex. Read the pinned messages please.

jade cargoBOT Jun 24, 2019, 9:29 PM

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dynoSuccess Arty_spakkaculi_3000#3212 was banned

quick lichen Jun 24, 2019, 9:33 PM

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@fringe summit the more people see it, the less powerful it is in a sense

smoky yoke Jun 24, 2019, 9:42 PM

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More people learn to use heat than standard just like maus

dusky oxide Jun 24, 2019, 10:25 PM

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@fringe summit by what?

unreal iris Jun 24, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Dracula must be nerfed all the way. It's way better than any other med or light on these tiers. It's like all best features of 7th tier meds combined together

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Except armor 🤔

neat crescent Jun 24, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Yep,and just sayin but i somehow managed to out dpm a drac in a 1vs recently with the y5 elc bis lol

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Autoloader on spic should get buffed

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@unreal iris. That isn't true. The Comet, T23E3, T-43, Rudy, and the 34-1 can all make short work of the Dracula

drifting lance Jun 24, 2019, 11:27 PM

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hey @unique scaffold , stop activating my legendary cakes before games without my permission. At the end of the event we will be able to sell them for gold and you are trying to scam players out of them

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Oh no, my free thing is being used for an event because I want different free stuff...
What world does that make sense

grave bear Jun 24, 2019, 11:51 PM

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@drifting lance dude he's litwrally called NOT wargaming, why are you even pinging him

drifting lance Jun 24, 2019, 11:58 PM

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are you both thick in the head? so if you "earn" something in game, theyre allowed to take it away? tell me how that makes sense? @unique scaffold

valid pendant Jun 25, 2019, 12:26 AM

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This keeps pooping up when ever I try to sign in

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grave bear Jun 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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from 21.50 sec reload to 19.5, this is an heavy buff for 50b.
1200 dmg ready to be spammed looks like an accurate fv183 hesh low roll every 19 sec, but divided into 3
in a very fast tank with 10 gun dep

lost sinew Jun 25, 2019, 2:21 AM

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With the power creep seems like Panther I and AT7, Emil is joining the worst trio of tier 7

thick rover Jun 25, 2019, 2:25 AM

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AAHhha

With that kind of frontal armour? Even if it's camping it can only abuse it when the enemy is in front of it and below it but then it would be spotted

winged barn Jun 25, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Pan1 is fine. Emil has depression to abuse

frosty raft Jun 25, 2019, 2:28 AM

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@lost sinew
Panter m/10

grave bear Jun 25, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Panther M10 is the worst trio, not panther 1.
panther 1 is one of my fav tiers 7
it has an amazing ridicolously goddamns accurate gun with enormus pen, plus it has also some armor to bounce other meds with a just crappy 145 pen.

indigo knot Jun 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I prefer T34-1 most at tier 7....
I kinda find panther difficult to play especially in tier 8 games....with that lack of gun depression its to difficult to use

lost sinew Jun 25, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Plus panther has bad armor for medium and it’s pretty sluggish, gun is the only thing that saves it. Emil has great gun for sure but it’s mobility is a joke so it’s super team/map dependent and you need to stay way back so with a few shells it makes it a really hard to use. Very hard to ace and not fun to drive. Speaking of AT7 - if it’s autoloader be moved to AT8 it would be awesome !

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Conway has A LOT of HP 🤔 1800

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2019, 8:58 AM

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1800 is like tX td and medium level of hp

indigo knot Jun 25, 2019, 9:25 AM

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Obj268 has this much HP i think

kind swallow Jun 25, 2019, 9:46 AM

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I liked panther
It is nice and sometimes funny
I dont need to be balanced

river portal Jun 25, 2019, 10:46 AM

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@kind swallow panther 1 and 2 are worst tanks i ever played with at ier 7 and 8

void pewter Jun 25, 2019, 10:46 AM

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they ok

humble wing Jun 25, 2019, 11:41 AM

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fam panther 1's L/100 gun is good

kind swallow Jun 25, 2019, 11:51 AM

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@river portal did u play pershing?

grave bear Jun 25, 2019, 11:54 AM

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@lost sinew panther 1 has bad armor? tell me a tier 7 medium with better armor than panther, except T-34-1's turret.

river portal Jun 25, 2019, 12:02 PM

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@kind swallow yes and i love it

cerulean tulip Jun 25, 2019, 1:03 PM

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@grave bear T43?

humble spear Jun 25, 2019, 1:08 PM

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KV-13?

deft owl Jun 25, 2019, 1:37 PM

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@grave bear Hafen

calm pendant Jun 25, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Hi can anyone give me tips on how to use tier 5 Leo? Pls dmmmmmmmm

grave bear Jun 25, 2019, 2:46 PM

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T43 has not more armor than panther 1, is just small and has enough front mounted turret to do op reverse sidescrape, still much situational and t-43 never relies on armor, has every tier 7 does
@deft owl hafen is a trash horrible tank, its slow af, has horrible gun, no gun depression , its ugly and plus has no armor as well lmao

kind swallow Jun 25, 2019, 2:49 PM

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@river portal i've done far more better in panther 2 than in pershing

quick lichen Jun 25, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Then you don’t play the Pershing correctly @kind swallow

thick rover Jun 25, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Should the Emil get a little mobility buff for that kind of armour

wary holly Jun 25, 2019, 3:32 PM

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yes

kind swallow Jun 25, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Yes

teal plume Jun 25, 2019, 3:38 PM

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70 lvl maked :D

lusty heart Jun 25, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@unique scaffold could you and WG please put the 90mm on the ELC AMX bis and give it its original 350 HP like in console and PC please and thank you

distant river Jun 25, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Wot blitz is not wot pc or wot console. Things are not and should not be the same. If you want something like it is on pc or console then play pc or console

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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@lusty heart ELC BIS have 350 alpha damage because he plays against tier 6,7 and 8

lusty heart Jun 25, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Wel when we heard the French line was combing most ELC AMX lovers were wanting the 90mm for it because it had to face 7s and 8s

vocal dew Jun 25, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@distant river Just delete war thunder lol

fringe summit Jun 25, 2019, 5:25 PM

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The 90mm is what makes the ELC. Like a faster Scavenger with less armor

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Also since derp guns were removed other than the crappy KV-1s (lost on I-IV and Pz IV G) the elc shouldn’t get it, also it’s only gonna get up to tier VII if you fail toon. It just would be too good with it

smoky yoke Jun 25, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Gotta say I finally seeing a whole set of 40% - 50% just penning the wz-120 , makes me so proud the base is learning

kind swallow Jun 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Pls no wz120
I love 121 but I so hate 120

smoky yoke Jun 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Still a big improvement. From when it came out. I never said bring it back which most likely will come back Christmas and next year.

deft owl Jun 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Buff t67

split atlas Jun 25, 2019, 9:26 PM

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well seeing as theres nowehre else to put this,

are we ever going to see user set frame caps?

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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T67 if it performs less than normal it’s fine since it isn’t a majorly played tank anymore, there’s no other reason other than fun in playing it anymore

kind swallow Jun 25, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Wg, pls buff wz120
It is still the worse tier 9 medium
Or just the worse tier 9
3 degrees of gun depression
Low dpm
No armour
Slow
And everyone just hate it

halcyon ice Jun 25, 2019, 11:34 PM

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I think they should make the maps bigger and have a 15 vs 15 matches

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2019, 11:40 PM

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That’s literally making blitz world of tanks generally, and they didn’t do that because they wanted Blitz. Also this isn’t really in the right channel so we should probably delete our messages 👍 @halcyon ice

trim hound Jun 25, 2019, 11:53 PM

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How about Y5 series? Are 5,6,7 tier tanks good?

quick lichen Jun 26, 2019, 1:26 AM

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@kind swallow you can’t blame the tank for players not adapting their playstyle

fringe gazelle Jun 26, 2019, 1:26 AM

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hahahahhha

slim rivet Jun 26, 2019, 1:54 AM

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There are ok, not good not bad, average + @trim hound

fringe gazelle Jun 26, 2019, 2:29 AM

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😑

winged barn Jun 26, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Iraikkonen? More like IRoastEm

hushed pollen Jun 26, 2019, 5:31 AM

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I hope EVENTUALLY they put the Japanese heavys in

gilded gorge Jun 26, 2019, 7:05 AM

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I hope for another giveaway I always miss the streams

fringe summit Jun 26, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Well you didn’t miss anything. They had around 30 prices which they call “Many Prices”. We wear watching with 2600 people so the chance of winning something was smaller than the crates of wg @gilded gorge

tawny cosmos Jun 26, 2019, 7:12 AM

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I wish they'd add more modern tanks, alot of tanks are post ww2 for certain branches

dim field Jun 26, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Modern tanks might be difficult to implement

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 8:08 AM

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WG, buff the front plating on the Turret of the E100 it's become an easy pen and it's a annoyance now because you cant go anywhere.

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Bonjour

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 8:34 AM

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@maël35#6899 salut

distant river Jun 26, 2019, 8:35 AM

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@unique scaffold just angle it, its not difficult

fathom tulip Jun 26, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Hello actually à think To replace the badjer on the top of Tech tree of fv183 b beacause on pc version is NOT à premium tank and is this like To of amx prot and amx 1rst

lean yacht Jun 26, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Hi guys! Next giveaway?

onyx fiber Jun 26, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Leo pta need a buff

indigo knot Jun 26, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I would be happy if it gets 7 or 8 deg of gun dep with some turret traverse buff

cunning kindle Jun 26, 2019, 3:35 PM

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When u assume a buff = buff its armor

clever void Jun 26, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Leo PT A became my favorite tier 9 med because of the gun. But this didn’t happen quickly. I had to develop my skills first before everything came together @onyx fiber

distant river Jun 26, 2019, 3:54 PM

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laughs in 100% WR in leo pt a *

(After 6 battles but shhhh)

twilit marsh Jun 26, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Hello, just a question, I play since 2014 but I haven't got the veteran avatar yet. How can I get it?

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 4:00 PM

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@twilit marsh #game-status-upd

gaunt garnet Jun 26, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Wtf is with this mm I play 20 tattles 15 lost my teams 40 wr opponent 60+ wtf

quick lichen Jun 26, 2019, 6:09 PM

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@gaunt garnet what does that have to do with tank balance?

wanton oyster Jun 26, 2019, 6:26 PM

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@twilit marsh u need 25k+ games

twilit marsh Jun 26, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Seriously.... @wanton oyster

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 6:49 PM

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i think they need to buff the t44-100

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Nah. It's good. A premium shouldn't be OP. It should be a smidge worse than it's tech tree equivalent.

crystal spoke Jun 26, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Or just as good but never better

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 7:02 PM

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no not better but armor is acually weaker

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 7:32 PM

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what ?

dreamy crest Jun 26, 2019, 7:46 PM

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We want a smasher and badger bundle

distant river Jun 26, 2019, 8:16 PM

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@unique scaffold it should be unique really, but most of the playerbase accepts premiums as being slightly better because WG need to make money

Its not how it should be but it is accepted generally

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 8:17 PM

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That isn't how it was originally

analog spruce Jun 26, 2019, 8:35 PM

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#Team IS-3 Defender

smoky yoke Jun 26, 2019, 9:01 PM

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They weren't getting as much people buying it before. Premiums from time they started selling premiums that was better , everyone bought them, even the ones that complained about them lolz. If we really was against them the community on a whole would say don't buy it until they nerf it or remove it, and thumbs down anyone who has it to make wargaming change. But in the end thousands of ppl buy them and we complain compare to the fraction that was buying it before. Ask yourself how many ppl bought the panther mt 8.8 , think only 65 players played it. It was sold last year only 65 played it now xD. So community decides mostly if a premium is worth buying them am sure when they buff panther tier 8 prem. Everyone's gonna buy it then state that tanks shouldn't be better than tech tree. Wargaming doesn't learn and then circle continues

mellow cape Jun 27, 2019, 12:23 AM

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@smoky yoke well if you think of it, OP premiums only make sense since everyone likes winning and with an OP premium your chances of winning go up significantly

dim field Jun 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Don't down vote people just for having a certain tank. That's just being petty.

violet sonnet Jun 27, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Premium tanks, @smoky yoke , have long moved on from being Credit earners. Sadly, if 1 premium becomes better than tech tree and sells like crazy. I wont buy a meh tank, if there is a better option available.

violet sonnet Jun 27, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Without maps revamping and making things on larger scale ... blitz would be whole different thing 10 v 10’s

smoky yoke Jun 27, 2019, 1:54 AM

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@dim field Well it's a really Petty but that person or persons contributing to the detriment of the rest of players. Every company is motivated by profit. If they find a way to get people to buy a tank that is above average like the new defenders that are better in one area and crappy in another that people may one to buy it the same amount. But I don't know how they gonna do that unless they blatantly nerf all premiums nice most are above average now. I have about 50-70 premiums. I bought 20 of them. The rest I won from events and free experience events on Christmas. All the tanks would come up to about maybe 500-1k dollars. If they nerf all those to the ground making them a completely new tank. I don't know how I would feel glad I only spent 100 bucks in the game is all I say. Steam keeps records thankfully. Been 2-4years that wargaming been giving out these tanks and if they drive out the people that pay how is this game gonna run. All they need to do is put out tanks that are average bnot above average , just average. Good some areas ,bad in others. Wz-120, if it has AT speed then no one would complain that it has so much armor but they gave it ridiculous mobility with armor so they made it abov average. @mellow cape @violet sonnet you both are right on that point ,if there are better tanks. People will buy those tanks over the normal tank for higher credits and higher winrate. If they want to incentivise more they should make credit coefficient at a higher rate the crappier the tank is. Are we allowed to say "crappy"?

dim field Jun 27, 2019, 1:58 AM

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If they implement a working system (one that is better than the current MH system) downvoting people for using premiums you don't like can get them banned. They aren't being a deteiment to the rest of the community just for buying something they worked irl to buy. Punishing other players for supporitng the game and allowing it to remain free to play is just wrong.

hearty hawk Jun 27, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Add a 10v10 mode, trust me everyone would love this and be a great Kickstart to the 5th year of blitz, plus there is really no need to remodel maps because this just be like a temporary mode like mad games and realistic battles!

smoky yoke Jun 27, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Okay it was just a suggestion, I have some op tanks too. Sry it looked like I defended my statement there ,on my phone so I just kept writing out my point , how are we gonna get wargaming to change , course change requires restructuring almost 30-45% of the tanks ingame , course all are mostly above average. I have no idea how they are gonna do this. Unless they buff all tech tree tanks to be better than premiums like what they did with the tier 7 light tanks. Well that didn't make them op but capable of better facing them

violet burrow Jun 27, 2019, 2:05 AM

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And tier 7 heavies

violet sonnet Jun 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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A good way to increase relevance of power creeped premiums imo increase profitability.
To balance the OP premiums already out imo buff tech tree tanks (BASE PEN and aiming time ). So firepower is effective.
@smoky yoke

dim field Jun 27, 2019, 2:21 AM

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You can voice your ideas on the proper rebalancing for tanks and such. Personally i say nerf the premiums that need to be nerfed or buff the tech tree tanks instead so they are about on par as the premiums. Something people can also do is buy the more balanced premiums. If wg sees more people buying the balanced premiums and are receiving more praise for those tanks I would not be surprised if they started pumping out more balanced premiums when they can see those premiums making them more money.

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 3:01 AM

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su122 44 needs a nerf

crystal spoke Jun 27, 2019, 3:12 AM

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What would you suggest @unique scaffold

orchid grove Jun 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Please no 10v10. Half the reason why PC sucks is because of the large playercounts. There's a lot less strategy with larger playercounts, and it's a lot harder to carry.

sleek vault Jun 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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i would appreciate if 122 T-44 get some little dpm buff
just a little bit and doesn't need have same 122 reload like T-34-2 or 3

gilded gorge Jun 27, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I think we need more giveaways for as much as we do I mean just this week I spent 30 dollars on this game like t3485 victory kv 5 and stuff like that

crystal spoke Jun 27, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Maybe give a ways for lower teirs but personally I like working for my tanks so maybe some more event ones like what we have going on now would be nice

quick lichen Jun 27, 2019, 6:15 AM

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@sleek vault just because it has a gun doesn’t mean its supposed to use it

sleek vault Jun 27, 2019, 6:18 AM

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ikr but just like KV-2 there is someone who enjoy using the 107 instead the 152
it's also a point plus to tank if it's has different playstyle so yeah

inb4 why not grind the MT Chinese instead

fringe summit Jun 27, 2019, 6:19 AM

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I would like a 10v10 but than for grand battles. Its harder to carry so more challenging.

sleek vault Jun 27, 2019, 6:35 AM

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talking about Chinese MT i think the T-34-2 122 should be have muzzle break so everyone could recognizing if that T-34-2 using the 100 or 122

errant plover Jun 27, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Yeah hello my username is Billy_Rock3, and I haven't received my avatar about how long you've played the game.

tiny solstice Jun 27, 2019, 7:27 AM

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neither have I. I think it's gonna be given after the event I think. but some players already have it.

errant plover Jun 27, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Glad to know I am not the only one. 😃

fringe summit Jun 27, 2019, 7:59 AM

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@sleek vault Thats actually a very good idea. Once I had 410 hp and I thought the T342 was using the 100mm gun because it just looks like that. Guess what, he killed me because he had the 122mm gun

ember seal Jun 27, 2019, 9:43 AM

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the t54 ltwt needs a muzzle break for the max gun and a turret armor buff

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 10:25 AM

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🤦

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but its a lihgt and the turret is already strong if you want to buff it give it a bit more gun depresion

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.... I wouldn't hold your breath for a ltwt buff

errant plover Jun 27, 2019, 10:35 AM

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are the servers down for maintenance?

latent snow Jun 27, 2019, 10:47 AM

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I was in a 9v9 battle ( idk how ) but it just resulted in a slower game

placid kiln Jun 27, 2019, 10:48 AM

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How it can be?

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 11:23 AM

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@weak burrow read the pinned messages

weak burrow Jun 27, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Then where do I talk about MM?

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 11:25 AM

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#general-blitz-discussion

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Tiger 131 is prety expensiv right ??

weak burrow Jun 27, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Srry @unique scaffold

crystal spoke Jun 27, 2019, 11:39 AM

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@unique scaffold not really the tog is about 20$ in gold aswell and without discounts I think a few other t6 premis are all I know is there is no way I'm passing on it

summer compass Jun 27, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Was the Veteran Badge suppose to be permenant?

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 11:42 AM

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but you only get a tier 6 premium tank tog in the shop is only LIKE 12dollars ?? and i see you get like all equpment plazes but 20 dollars thats almost a tier 8 premium

lyric moon Jun 27, 2019, 11:48 AM

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this balenced

📎 100.png

slim rivet Jun 27, 2019, 11:52 AM

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Nice photoshop skills

lyric moon Jun 27, 2019, 12:01 PM

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lol

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Hi

calm pendant Jun 27, 2019, 12:19 PM

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How to use stung 3 g

grave bear Jun 27, 2019, 12:23 PM

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disable 4g connections in your phone
and you'll get a stug 3g

crystal spoke Jun 27, 2019, 12:36 PM

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I cant tell if I love or hate that comment also since when was the tog 2 sold for 12? I got mine for 20$

dim field Jun 27, 2019, 12:43 PM

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I paid $7

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 12:57 PM

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tog 2 in shop is not 20 Dollars

fiery flame Jun 27, 2019, 12:58 PM

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I got mine for free

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Wargaming plz nerf KV-1

weary cove Jun 27, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Why do you will that they nerf Kv-1 @unique scaffold?

hearty hawk Jun 27, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Add 10v10 event for fun

twilit marsh Jun 27, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Will I receive a veteran avatar? Because I am from 2014 but I only have 6.5k games

grave bear Jun 27, 2019, 1:23 PM

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nop, 20k battles or nothing
if u mean veteran role
for the avatar in game awkard, you only need to be << 2014

twilit marsh Jun 27, 2019, 1:32 PM

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So I won't receive the avatar @grave bear
But I saw someone with 17.5k battles with the 5years with us avatar

grave bear Jun 27, 2019, 1:33 PM

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its a bug and they'll remove it if he has nkt 5 years

deep isle Jun 27, 2019, 1:33 PM

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thats stupid

dim field Jun 27, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Tiger 131 needs a buff, a nerf, or balanced?

distant river Jun 27, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Tiger 131 needs nothing apart from making unique which is basically impossible to do, they kinda messed themselves up and would probably have made more money off a camo for the tiger 1

And make it slightly worse* @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 1:43 PM

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What a great idea to take a KMM which probably everyone already has, re-skin it and sell for 20$s 👏

dusk panther Jun 27, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Buff the russian tanks and make a close quarters berlin map

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 2:09 PM

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XeN0_ BRUUH XD sure we need stronger russian Tanks

static dew Jun 27, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Still waiting for M4A1 rev front armor buff, it is not acceptable that a tank with that little speed and a high profile could be penned anywhere frontally with HE by a T49

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2019, 2:25 PM

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It's a tier V hull rolling around in tier VIII. What sort of armor do you expect it to have?

twilit marsh Jun 27, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Guys I have a problem, on discord the slow mode is activ on this server wich means I can only send a message each 10minutes, how do I get rid of this mode?

quick lichen Jun 27, 2019, 2:29 PM

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That’s what slowmode is for...

distant river Jun 27, 2019, 2:29 PM

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You cant, it is set by WG to reduce spam

The lucky mods get away without it though smh

twilit marsh Jun 27, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Oh OK thanks, though it's a bit weird

quick lichen Jun 27, 2019, 2:56 PM

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@distant river 😦

distant river Jun 27, 2019, 3:07 PM

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🧐