Only once wg thinks that theres too much of them. They knew the 183 was broken for ages but ddint nerf it until it was popular enough.
#tank-balance-discussion
dusky oxide
spring pelican
Now all grinding e3
deep robin
Sadly, that's what they do with all op tanks. But at this moment the IS4 is growing in popularity. But IMO I think that it is safer to grind the IS7 as it has always had a history of being the dominant of the two.
E3?
dusky oxide
The quality of the tier suffers when they buff in order to make a tank popular and consequently alter the meta.
deep robin
Yep, but it is always better to stick with a current solid tank which is safe from nerfs. (The current IS7) imo
prime viper
vk72 is fantastic but everyone hates it i think it would be way cooler with this change
+6 seconds to reload
make it a 2 shot auto loader
make it 7 seconds between each shot
this would fix low dpm and make it special
also since its already a fake tank it doesnt have to be historically accurate
(when i say fake i mean a modified version of an idea a rip off of a real idea making it fake)
the germans dont have a high tier auto loader now they would
17+6 to reload=23+7 for both shots to be shot= 30 seconds for 2 shots making it 4 shots per minute 4*640= 2560dpm 200dpm more than it has rn when max without attachments or any of that
^^^pls everyone give opinion
lol they all hate it
grave bear
dont give meaningless and op stuff to tanks that have nothing to do with autoloaders
prime viper
thats not OP and the tank never existed so we dont know what it had
grave bear
Foch 155b with 2 shells autoloader was too op, and it has no turret.
we know what it had. it had 15cm gun on blueprint
tech tree tanks are not fantasy tanks. they're all based on real tanks or blueprints.
prime viper
dude the whole thing is fake they based it off a drawing there wernt even specs
grave bear
Giving this op super broke autoloader would totally kill Maus E100 t110e4 and why not also foch 155b and t57 heavy
prime viper
the foch should have autoloader in the first place
grave bear
@prime viper it has none because otherwise would powercreep any other 15cm tier X tank
prime viper
it can be balanced if u take the time and theres always power creep look at 252u
all of tier 3 got nerfed and keni didnt thats HUGE power creep
30 seconds from start to finish of a clip is A LOT and its only 200 more dpm (without anything) or about 150 (with all attachments and stuff)
grave bear
@prime viper 252 U is an unbalanced broke prem tier 8. you want to solve thay adding another unbalanced trash but at tier X?????
prime viper
its not un balanced any thing can pen the sides or turret and it would be a minor increase to dpm
grave bear
are you crazy or what? it has the same clip damage as fv4005, but divided in only 2 shells so only for that is 1k times better, but fv4005 is totally paper and vk72 is super armored frontally
prime viper
except fv more accurate has hesh so on and so forth
grave bear
this is stupid and kills every kind of balance. imagine it in tours, it can shoot 2 HE shells Totally randomly for 350+350 dmg to any super strong hulldown tank before it can load the 2nd shell
prime viper
then after it shoots its on reload for almost half a minute after 2 shots 7 seconds apart
grave bear
@prime viper go away you and your unbalanced tanks, bye, i know what i am talking about , a tank like this would be broken as f Q, and would make totally USELESS play any other tier X autoloader or any tier X super heavy.
mellow cape
Yeah that autoloader idea is stupid, it's fine how it is for now. I would like to see a mobility buff to distinguish it from the E100 but that's all.
prime viper
i like the idea i never even said u have to i asked for opinion but not rude ones @grave bear
grave bear
@mellow cape imo e100 should have better mobility. vk72 is already good and fine as it is. super thick lower plate, even angled maus cant reach that.
mellow cape
@prime viper That isn't a rude opinion, that's just him stating facts...
prime viper
no his opinion not rude but his last response was
grave bear
i was just saying my hopinion about this super broken tank @prime viper . it's so objective OP tank. autoloaders are BETTER than regular guns even if they have same dpm. VK72 would be THE ONLY 640 dmg autoloader in the game, and it has ALSO super strong frontal armor, making it totally unmatchable in trade fire.
mellow cape
Obj 252U and Wz 120-1 FT both need nerfs
grave bear
Just havw a look to clan wars. put 3 of these autoloaders vk72 and you won.
prime viper
obj before the wz tho
mellow cape
There's a reason all autoloaders have rather poor armor and 400 alpha or so at max.
grave bear
e @mellow cape they're tier 8 prem so idc. tier X should keep being balanced . badger is the problem, not vk72.
prime viper
altho ppl are trash in the OBJ killed 2 of them with ppl from VOID driving them earlier 1 had less than 1k dmg should be embarrassed
grave bear
obj 252U is surely strong but actually not that op as it seemed. in face hug is very weak, weaker than other IS tanks except is6
mellow cape
Hmm haven't taken a look at the badger, @grave bear can you give a summary?
prime viper
highest dpm in game with usable armor
indigo knot
Is3 def is best
grave bear
@mellow cape badger? mhhh, take su122-54, give it 40 more alpha and give to it obj263's frontal upper plate armor, but everywhere except lower plate
but hey, it's "slow" (faster than jgpze100)
prime viper
^^^yup 100% correct lol
indigo knot
It should have been as slow as jag
grave bear
it has like 420 effective everywhere when pointing straight
prime viper
so rly takes a jag to pen it with heat
mellow cape
and it's a crate tank.. GG WG
prime viper
i heard it was 15k gold not crate (i could be wrong)
grave bear
@indigo knot jg e100 is paper compared to it. it should be as slow as t95, maybe just better traverse.
Badger has WAY Better tier x tier armor than T95.
T95 got 2 cupolas paper and lower plate, badger has no weakspots except a lower plate that is as strong as vk72's one.
prime viper
vk72 lower plate even has spaced armor does badger? (vk has hidden spaced armor on whole bottom of tank idk why)
grave bear
wg said it:s balanced because it has no armor in sides and rear... wow thx wg... Just like any other existing tank destroyer
prime viper
so its a stronger front foch with better dpm but slower right?
indigo knot
It has 10 deg gun depression and dpm of 263 ....the pen on it good too compared to PC
grave bear
@prime viper what? its a T110e3 without weakspots and instead of having rounded armor with somewhere penetrable by heat, it's everywhere sloped 420mm+
stoic pebble
when i meet a hulldown E3 I know that with some luck I can pen that cupola or splash the weakspot beside the gun, but a badger is just all impenetrable and HE does basically nothing
grave bear
basically, take AT8 and put it against tiers 5 only. (and remove its cupola) this is badger armor
mellow cape
hmm not quite 420mm+, it's closer to 350mm in some spots Still absurdly powerful though, not balanced
stoic pebble
i think its just a 252U but without cupolas and without the lower plate and with a better gun
grave bear
@mellow cape only when you're at his same level or a bit above, if it goes in -5 degrees it has 420mm+ everywhere. and it has -10.
stoic pebble
I don't want to see badgers rolling up to mines and dead rail to break the maps since the TDs at the back have zero chance to pen them
mellow cape
@grave bear This part is pennable even when using the gun depression, 361mm
grave bear
in full depression it has 500mm of armor
@mellow cape wow what a ez hut weakspot
sly thunder
Ist das ok wenn ich wot aufgenommen habe und hoch geladen hab auf YouTube
mellow cape
you can also shoot through the tracks
grave bear
basically you need to be T110e5/T57/E100/Is4/Vk72 with calibrated shells to pen here. or a 15cm+ td
stoic pebble
even before medium gold nerfs only TD gold can pen that square. this vehicle looks and is broken. Also that's 304mm lol
mellow cape
330mm APCR should go through it but I don't know what tank has that
grave bear
@mellow cape you cant see tracks if is in hulldown
that's literally the point of hulldown
mellow cape
forgot about that somehow, oof
so literally the only way to kill it is to flank it
the gun arc is quite small, that's the balancing factor
unique scaffold
Then it is just like e 5 or even t29 in hull down tbh , I think thats idea about this tank, great when you get into good position, but also slow , with huge lower plate , that makes it easy target while moving
deft owl
@grave bear Badger getting a mobility nerf in update 6.0. Stop whining about badger anymore.
grave bear
lmao it's not enough, it's still totally unpenetrable in hulldown. it:s not balanced even with 8km max speed
deft owl
Is-4 is nearly impenetrable when hulldown. Stop crying.
daring turret
do you guys think they should buff all td rotation speed?
unique scaffold
No
daring turret
ok
modern fern
Install fidget spinner consumable to turn faster
unique scaffold
obj 252isnt op at all
indigo knot
It is Op but not broken
cobalt crane
Um no
rancid drift
The fact that this can happen way less than a minute from start is not ok
brisk lily
rip
brisk lily
aanndd..?
quick lichen
@lofty smelt what does this have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?
lofty smelt
Just the fact that this shouldn't happen
torn cliff
This channel is for balance tanks
quick lichen
Not for mm or rng
lofty smelt
So what you saw is perfectly balanced? Lol
brave cave
Hello
rare basalt
Hi
soft mulch
@grave bear
vast ermine
He devs, just wondering why you have killed off the 1 hour premium certificates?
unique scaffold
You wanna talk about an op tank? The lowe
humble spear
not op, just good
rare basalt
have you ever played? on ru server? why don't we
not able to play the same
many players are noobsEU
knotty rain
op is dracula
zenith sand
Dracula is a Romanian tank :) This tonk has the "Zaibăr" power (search on Google) :)) @knotty rain
rain bough
Fake
long shell
unique scaffold
Hi all
lapis rock
Castilla needs rework
unique scaffold
Dracula is only OP if you drive around in sniper mode and don't pay attention to what is going on around you.
spiral jetty
What happened? Now there is so much more chance to stay at 1hp...
unique scaffold
@zenith sand
zenith sand
Huh?
unique scaffold
Drac isn't OP, it has like no armor and you can easy HE it. The lowe is actually OP because its only frontal weakpoint is an extremely troll and well armored center frontal plate and it has a great gun on a high mounted turret.
iron lynx
Idk, Borsig seems fine to me
Grille could use some buff
oak monolith
"Lowe is OP" dang i feel old
dusky oxide
The thing that makes drac work in inexperienced hands better than another t7 med is the amazing pickup and the tracking mechanism.
unique scaffold
Still a semi competent Comet, T-43, or 34-1 driver will make easy work of the a Drac.
prime viper
T43 is OG always been FANTASTIC
deft owl
@unique scaffold "easy HE it"
Another "Dont nerf my op tank arguement."
Guys its getting old and boring just stop it.
unique scaffold
I don't even own the tank
deft owl
You know what? I do and i still want nerf for it. That thing is OP as hell. Even after the light tank buffs its still very dominant.
humble spear
It's harder to hit with HE than a CDC because of the sideskirts, and it has a 90mm gun at tier 7 on a highly mobile chassis as well
unique scaffold
I only see dracs when I drive the kv2 which usually ending bad for them so maybe I have a different view about it. On the other hand the Lowe is actually stupid strong.
deft owl
Calling dracula fine but löwe op? Are we playing the same game?
unique scaffold
Everyone has different experiences against different tanks.
deft owl
Your experiences has nothing to do with balance discussions.
unique scaffold
Well if you want to talk about raw stats the drac has very poor armor while the lowe has a stupid armor+angling of its frontal plate.
deft owl
Löwe lower plate effective armor is 180mm.
unique scaffold
I can barely pen it frontally in obj 252u
@deft owl lowe is op only cuz toger 2 is bad, and I don't have lowe
strong condor
Powercreep is working well when people are saying dracula is balanced. No its not, its stupidly op compared to same tier mediums. There will be day when people say helsing and smasher are balanced. It is gonna be sad day.
deft owl
@unique scaffold Löwe is not op. Tiger 2 is underpowered.
unique scaffold
Lowe is OP, Tiger 2 is underpowered.
And you can't pen lowe
Correct, I have to be looking straight on at its frontal plate and it is still a very weird shot to make, and usually any movement left or right will result in a bounce
deft owl
@unique scaffold Im failed to see what you are trying to explain here but löwe is clearly not op. It has average overall winrates compared to other heavies.
unique scaffold
Lowe is good even if you will compare it to another prems , its like t 34 but with frontal armor
It has a very high turret as well so it looks down upon you, usually resulting in the negation of the angled armor of your tank
@unique scaffold I think aiming would help , if I can pen it in cent 1, then you can pen it in 252u
The aim time in the 252 is horrendous
deft owl
Hit its lower plate. You will pen it just fine.
unique scaffold
No because the front of it is still basically unpennable if it is moving around
@deft owl at the same time it is one of the prems that you see the most on t 8 ,and @unique scaffold if you are trying to pen frontally lowe in hull down then it's your fault , and not balancing fault
Hull up and trying to pen it
humble spear
how is the lowe op
unique scaffold
Its frontal plate pen area is a very weird patch at the middle of the front of it that any angle will result in it going red and bouncing
humble spear
eh I can butter that plate easily in any tier 8 MT
deft owl
If you are failing to pen löwe in your 252u then good luck against Chrysler K. It has much stronger upper parts and goes at 40 kmh all the time.
unique scaffold
? You are on hulldown, or lowe is in hulldown? , I think you bought 252 cuz you thought it will be completly broken, but you met lowe in battle and you got easly killed cuz you aren't experienced player
I have yet to see one but we can see. Neither of us were hulldown.
humble spear
If he angles, I shoot the sprocket/side, he's most likely overangled in order to make the LFP red
unique scaffold
I'm not trying to insult you or smth, thats just how it looks for me
dusky oxide
So it takes an experienced player to realize that 252Us lower plate is soft?
unique scaffold
Now people are just joining in that haven't read the whole thing and are just spitting out nonsense
deft owl
@dusky oxide Any idiot can see 252u lower plate is paper and huge.
humble spear
"lowe has a stupid armor+angling of its frontal plate."
isn't that where you started
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide have I told that ? Would you kindly read what i have wrote ,and then try to argue with me?
Next time I am frontline with a lowe I will take a photo of it
deft owl
"Oh no Im failed to pen löwe once it must be OP."
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold yeah but most of the playerbase isnt even semi competent
unique scaffold
@deft owl I think it was more of the dream of having pay2win tank, and reality
I dont see how people can get angry with me for saying the drac isnt op but then feel fine defending the lowe and saying it isnt op
deft owl
Because everything you spit from your mouth is wrong. Thats why.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold I doubt anyone got angry , we just disagree with you
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold that wasnt addressed to you. I just joined into the convo as you can see.
deft owl
I kinda get angry now actually. I hate to see people claiming balanced tanks op and op tanks balanced.
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide oh I'm sorry ,I have misunderstood you
dusky oxide
Np, it was kinda poorly worded to start with
unique scaffold
And I'm here just to cry about toger 2 not being balanced, especially after playing amx mle49
@dusky oxide. I don't think that balancing tanks around the dumbest players in the game is a good idea. I also don't think that the current system of balancing around the best in the game is a good idea either...
Either way I don't think the Drac is OP.
I agree, if there was to be any balanced to the drac I'd say a gun nerf or spaced armor nerf would be the best route
Removing broken mechanics around it , or increasing fire chance and nerfing gun would balanc it out
There isn't really broken mechanics with it
Drac isn't broken.
honestly id say the lttb is worse than the drac because it has a decent frontal armor and isnt he-able by most tanks
Like I said originally. The Dracula is only a problem for players who have no situational awareness.
It is pretty much the same as a cdc yet nobody complains about thatt
Drac can't get tracked , which should be balanced by burning like a torch , but I haven't seen any burning drac from long time , and it's not like no one shoots on them or smth. Don't compare 2 broken tanks
CDC is 2 times bigger ,got HE by everyone on its tier , got better gun, and don't have broken mechanics ,only thing that they share is that both are fast, but I'm pretty sure that CDC got much worse terrain resistance
I don't see the issue, drac sideskirts are good because there is tons of kv2s playing and it needs some protection against them
And I'm not sure if getting abused by broken tank is "no situational awareness" it's like you never had 2 drac in one team that no one call deal with cuz they would have to be brain dead to get killed
@unique scaffold then why non other tank on its tier got it ? And why does lightly armored tank, that should get balanced by HE got them , and not the tiger p? Or kv3?
I have. And I killed them both (in a Drac 🤣).
You say I need to learn to play because I have trouble penning the front of a lowe but can't watch the minimap and line up a he shot on a drac
And it's just like having a talk with hellsing players , they are the only ones that are telling that this tank is balanced , no one else does it
@unique scaffold you just have said that drac for side skirts that are defending it against HE , and how often do you meat light tank standing in front of you, and waiting for you to shoot HE
Just shoot the turret..?
@unique scaffold then they were noobs and they have wasted their hp cuz of standing in one place for too long
when you can lose 3/4ths of your health in one shot you don't have to be stupid to lose your hp easy
@unique scaffold I suppose you should know that tanks in blitz does move , which makes it kinda hard to hit in turret especially when these tanks got gun depression, so they cuz just peak and boom
152 guns in my opinion are a bigger issue than the drac considering they absolutely punish anyone, skilled or not and take 0 effort to play.
@unique scaffold you have to be stupid to loss 3/4 of your hp in fast lightly armored tank
kv2 is played by a ton of people because it is straight up OP, you can 1 shot people. How fun! Not for them though. SU152 is the same way and considering they camp and remain hidden you can't really just avoid them. Smasher, well, what can I say.
wandering when did time travel become possible, 5.10 feels like 5.3, better is exactly 5.3 anytime of day. Strange but I thought that time goes forward always.
@unique scaffold exact the same thing as the lowe and you not being able to deafet it , you can't win with something in op premium tanks ,so you think it should Get nerfed ,I have no idea where do you get these ideas from
If I could choose to nerf the drac or remove the kv2, su152 and smasher I would choose to remove the 3 tanks.
@unique scaffold ofc you do cuz you think drac is balanced , you don't remember your own point? Rly?
@unique scaffold I'm sorry m8 but I am to exhausted , or you have wrote it in weird way, cuz I have no idea what do you mean
rain bough
Same
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. Wrong. It was a run and gun fight all the way. The only mistake they made was spreading out the damage they put down while I focus fired each one back to the garage.
The Dracula seriously isn't a big deal. All other things being equal I take a well driven T-43, Rudy, 34-1, or Comet more seriously than a Drac.
@unique scaffold then they were noobs , that's exactly the reason why I want drac with removed mechanics around it so we could see if it would get less broken
Making a mistake doesn't make them noobs. The Drac is fine.
Letting enemy team to grind them down doesn't show to much skill tbh , but I would have to be there to see if I'm right , and it isn't
It really is. Having high a high skill ceiling doesn't make it broken.
The Comet, 34-1, and T-43 all make easy work of the Dracula.
high lantern
@everyone I really don't want everyone to scream at my face for saying @everywun but can u lot contact wg and tell them to give a speed buff to t28
unique scaffold
@high lantern
At everyone does not work here. Do you really think WG would let you ping 30K plus users?
high lantern
;-;
deft owl
@unique scaffold It isnt fine.
high lantern
T28 is tooo bad
deft owl
Explain to me how dracula have better overall winrate then wz-120-1g FT.
Dracula is overpowered as hell. Magical tracks and ridiculous amount of spaced armor combined with high Hp pool makes this tank extremely strong.
strong condor
How exactly is dracula fine? Almost every aspect of that tank is best in class. And magical tracks that no other tank has.
visual nimbus
Never really had problems with the Drac. Sure it’s amazing but as long as you know how to counter it it’s outplayable by a lot of tanks.
unique scaffold
Mobility is something that good players can abuse. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
brisk lily
^ why I think I do good in a SP1C
deft owl
@unique scaffold Wz-120-1g FT can be abused by good players. Then Wz-120-1g FT is totally fine.
strong condor
Smasher is also fine then. I have outplayed many smashers.
charred bobcat
Good players can abuse anything lmao.
deft owl
@charred bobcat Good luck abusing st emil.
brisk lily
I did
strong condor
Ur avg dmg with emil?
brisk lily
idk at the moment
I need to check
charred bobcat
I have abused its gun depression before the buff but that's not the point. I'm saying his logic is flawed.
deft owl
If anyone seriously thinks dracula is fine then wz-120-1g is fine too.
visual nimbus
Dracula is fine.
ripe prawn
Dracula or T23E3?
charred bobcat
WG doesnt know how to balance tier 7/8 so all I play is tier 10 🤷
brisk lily
252u is fine in all honestly
I've beaten them without much difficulty with a AMX M4 49
(probably because the ones I did face only had like a couple thousand battles and a meh wr)
visual nimbus
As long as that lower plate is visible 👌
deft owl
"Dont nerf my op tank"
visual nimbus
I don’t even have any of em.
ripe prawn
Lol
deft owl
I own the dracula and its one of the most broken tank i have ever played. Just because you can deal with them doesnt mean they are balanced.
ripe prawn
I bet IS3 will win fighting 252U
visual nimbus
Bulldog better :p
charred bobcat
I own it too but I rarely play it
deft owl
Your personal opinions has nothing to do with balance. @visual nimbus
visual nimbus
Obviously.
deft owl
Numbers and stats are only thing that matters when it comes to balance. Dracula is statistically overperforming. End of the story.
unique scaffold
The majority of this playerbase only sees what is in front of them. They drive around in sniper mode and ignore their minimap. This allows a mobile tank like the Dracula to excel. The inability of the vast majority of the playerbase to monitor their surroundings does not make the Dracula broken.
deft owl
Who sad mobility of dracula makes it broken? Its the magical tracks and ridiculous amount of spaced armor that makes it broken.
charred bobcat
WG doesnt look at statics of "the majority" they look at the 55%-65% range. Any player of that calibre will easily perform way better in Drac than any other tank.
unique scaffold
I also own the Dracula. It's powe comes from the player base being blind and inept. That isn't a balance issue, that is a playerbase issue.
A good Drac driver isn't depending on either of those two items. They are hitting and then running only to hit again from another direction. A good Drac driver isn't counting on spaced armor or tracks.
deft owl
Yet again Im sharing this again. Dracula literally have better winrate then wz-120-1g FT. How the hell this thing is fine?
charred bobcat
I own the Drac too 😂 I have 80% 2.3k avg. Wont be doing that much in a sp 1 c or bulldog or comet any time soon though
strong condor
Speed is bad argument. Why is LTTB and bulldog not overperforming then?
deft owl
You dont rely on them doesnt mean they stop working. People cant shoot he rounds reliably to it and people cant track you.
unique scaffold
Once again. A good player will utilize the mobility the Drac offers to be a force multiplier for the team. This is what drives the win rate of the tank.
Bulldog and lttb are tech tree tanks. They are driven by more players.
charred bobcat
Grille was a tank that the "majority" wouldnt excel in but any unicum abused it. WG nerfed it heavily. Your argument has no points to it.
unique scaffold
Drac is driven and enjoyed by a group of experienced players. The bulldog and lttb can be driven by anyone.
noble siren
Why they nerfed Maus'lower plate?
deft owl
Rudy has worse winrate even it has smaller player base.
@unique scaffold Your arguement is literally doesnt make any sense here. Player base has nothing to with balance since bad players are using drac to. Not only good players.
humble spear
^^^ Have yet to see a drac player with over 2k avg dmg
charred bobcat
A bad player didnt abuse the A20 but hell do we have so many seal clubbers who did. Lmao.
unique scaffold
Your inability to understand my point doesn't mean it lacks validity.
white vessel
Drac got boring so i sold it
humble spear
what
noble siren
Everyone can play drac because it's OP change my mind
white vessel
Any1 cant play a tank thats op because its mobility
dusky oxide
I think the drac definitely offers some advantages that you wont get in a tech tree tank and is tuned a bit high. But im fine with it as its not ridiculously easy to play like a lot of t8 prems. I used to think the type 62 is ridiculously op until i got one and realized that the heat pen is its only major advantage. I'd still rather play a drac instead of a cdc any day if it didnt look so childish. I also think wg has finally made the right choice to buff some t7 lights/meds.
noble siren
tier 8 on tier 7 eks di
dusky oxide
Im talkin tier for tier.
unique scaffold
The meta of tier VII was drastically redone because of the Drac, Helsing, and to a lesser extent the Type 62. As it now stands the Dracula is fine. If you are getting outplayed by it you need to get out of sniper mode and pay attention to your surroundings.
deft owl
Lol you are saying drac has such good overal winrate because its mostly used by good players and the general player base sucks so drac can abuse its mobility to oblirate them.
This doesnt makes since;
Drac is not only used by good players. Bad players are using it to.
Drac mobility is worse then lttb. But somehow lttb isnt as dominant as drac.
As i told before your arguement is "Dont nerf my op tank" arguement. Nothing more then that.
unique scaffold
My point makes perfect sense. Comparing the playerbase of a tech tree tank to a rare premium tank is absurd.
charred bobcat
I dont get outplayed by dracs but my experience while playing it was really bland. Just obliterated anyone I came across. Completely different experience to any other tank. 🤷
deft owl
I compared them with other premiums to. It still beats rudy and other premiums.
unique scaffold
How many times has Rudy been sold? How many times has Drac been offered. It isn't the same thing.
noble siren
@deft owl is right
deft owl
Rudy has smaller player base then drac if you want to know.
noble siren
i got rudy from the event and it dominate only on battles with tier 7 and 6
unique scaffold
Lol this is still going on?
Rudy has DPM. Drac has mobility. Both are used differently.
charred bobcat
Good players often abuse dpm 🤷
deft owl
Rudy hasnt got magical tracks.
noble siren
Why i have to need DPM when i dont have pen
dusky oxide
If you want to be objective you shouldnt only look at how other people or you perform in it in battles from your own experience because you arent likely to see/remember many of then to form a completely accurate opinion. You should also take into account the overall stats from blitzstars.
unique scaffold
I can put down similar numbers to the Drac in the 34-1 and the bulldog. I guess they both need to be nerfed as well.
Lmao Dracula is just a normal t7 medium with a bit more mobility
deft owl
Thats because you only look from your own perspective when it comes to balance. Thats the wrong thing you are doing.
charred bobcat
@dusky oxide If you want to be objective you want to find consistencies. A good player's experience is exactly that.
noble siren
Of course nobody who has drac will say "nerd drac"
deft owl
@unique scaffold Magical tracks? Insane amount of spaced armor? - 10 gun depression? 237 apcr pen?
Yeah just a medium with a "bit" more mobility.
LMAO.
dusky oxide
One persons own experiences are never as accurate as something gathered from the servers avg. @charred bobcat
charred bobcat
And the stats support the claim that dracula is broken.
unique scaffold
Spaced armor ain't bouncing anything, 237mm is nothing special and a lot of tanks at t7 have 10° gd
@deft owl. No. I'm looking at how the playerbase acts and reacts to a game. The dracs weapon is mobility. Mobility is a weapon that this playerbase is horribly inept at responding to. That doesn't mean mobility is OP. It means that the playerbase needs to open their eyes and look at their map.
I'm absolutely sick of tanks getting nerfed because the average player doesn't bother to learn how to counter them.
The Comet, 34-1, Rudy, and the T-43 are all perfectly capable of countering and beating a Dracula.
deft owl
Spaced armor isnt for bouncing. Its for absorbing he shells. And 237 apcr is something when most of them has 200 apcr pen.
fringe apex
Comet has 12° gd and it makes it good, not op so 10° of drac is no arg
noble siren
Damn these people really dont want to nerf drac
unique scaffold
I see no reason to nerf a tank that doesn't need it.
humble spear
doesn't the dracula have the highest alpha for any fast moving tier 7
fringe apex
Drac is great, but in front of experinced players it Can easly be kill
charred bobcat
The combination of its mobility and its gun is what makes the Drac good. RU 251 has mobility but only good players will perform well in it. A 55% player could do good in the Drac.
noble siren
Then why they nerfed Maus' lower plate @unique scaffold
deft owl
@unique scaffold Who sad mobility is OP? We are talking about the magical tracks and spaced armor all around and you still think we are saying drac is op because of its mobility.
Now are you telling me Im the one who cant understand? Sure.
fringe apex
So why nerf a tank only because many players dont watch their minimap and just didnt know how to react ?
unique scaffold
That track repair doesn't make it op also spaced armor is not a problem
@deft owl. no you are talking about spaced armor and magical tracks. I am discounting your opinion because I find it irrelevant and wrong.
Mobility is what gives the perception of the Dracula being overpowered. I never hear anybody in game complain about spaced armor or magical tracks. I hear players complain that the Dracula just magically appeared behind them and is now shooting them in the butt, or circling them.
Why would you even shoot he at spaced armor
charred bobcat
@fringe apex lmao i never look at the minimap but i have no problem dealing with the Drac. Its just that my experience in it was baffling.
crystal spoke
Because you mis click the ammo you chose
deft owl
That magical tracks are insanely strong. It allows you to circle around tanks without worring about tracking.
Your perception is again wrong. If mobility is what drac makes op then lttb would eat a nerf to its engine years ago.
Again and again. You are wrong.
fringe apex
@charred bobcat so you agree that drac is good not op ?
dusky oxide
If mobility is the only thing 'op' about the drac then why is the cdc so much worse. It cant be only because of the tier change.
charred bobcat
I dont agree to that. I think Drac is op.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. Exactly. Why shoot HE at spaced armor?
strong condor
Dracula has 61,08% winrate during last 90 days. How is that balanced? Normal tier 7 medium with bit more mobility? Lmao. You have no clue what you are talking about here
unique scaffold
Wow seems an expert has arrived
deft owl
@strong condor They dont want their precious op tank to be nerfed. Nothing more.
noble siren
Yup. They just make stupid statements
strong condor
Agree, i am expert and i dont have dracula. But i know something about this game
unique scaffold
I don't own one @deft owl
deft owl
I own the dracula itself. I still want it to nerfed.
unique scaffold
I can make the same straw man argument. You guys don't want to learn how to deal with a tank, instead you just want it nerfed.
See how that works.
dusky oxide
-_-
unique scaffold
That clan tag doesn't make you an expert lmao
deft owl
@unique scaffold You proved your clueness by telling drac is just a medium with more mobility. If i would you i leave that place quitely.
unique scaffold
I still stand by my statement
I have no problems dealing with it, learn to play and you won't either
dusky oxide
People dont want tanks nerfed because they get frusturated when personally countering them but rather them being able to cut through your team. Its a 14-player game so tanks need to be balanced on the bigger scale.
noble siren
wow
deft owl
@unique scaffold Do you seriously saying that to me? Do you seriously think i dont want to know how to counter drac so i want a nerf for it? I OWN THE TANK. how you can still say that?
crystal spoke
The only reason I struggle fighting the drac is its the literal counter to the tanks I main
humble spear
^^^^^
can't do much against a drac in a type 62 when it rushes you
unique scaffold
Easily. Owning the tank doesn't mean you know how to fight one.
dusky oxide
Im all for getting big rewards for knowing how to take advantage of mobility and using an effective strat but not if some meds/lights can receive additional advantages for doing it.
sudden pier
The Dracs side skirts aren't needed
@unique scaffold
And yes it does, if you play a tank enough and master it you'll obviously figure out what to avoid in combat
charred bobcat
Im sure I have plenty situational awareness. I know how to play and counter a drac. It's broken. 🤷
crystal spoke
Yeah I tend to main slower tds and heavies so ofc its going to destroy me
charred bobcat
Shouldnt take a 60% player to take out a drac.
sudden pier
It's good in the average players hands but in an experienced players hands the drac is OP
deft owl
Yes Im a noob who dont want to know how to counter drac.
crystal spoke
I can easily kill one when I'm not playing its counter
delicate moth
Why are you a noob, @deft owl?
sudden pier
@deft owl
Obviously
XD
charred bobcat
Same. I played in Professionals and idk how to counter Drac.
noble siren
@unique scaffold @unique scaffold in your "logic" Vk100 was a tank with little more armor but because people are Ret4rded and can't deal with it got nerfed?
unique scaffold
@noble sirenVK100 never should have been nerfed.
dusky oxide
The drac weighs almost the same as a cdc and has a better p/w with a 20-25% smaller silhouette. What can you do in a type 62 when it rams u? A cdc is balanced by its enourmous HE pennable profile.
Sp1c's eternal torment
crystal spoke
Wait why are you getting rammed in a type 62?
sudden pier
The VK-100 got nerfed because nubs in meds and lights thought they could fight a SUPER HEAVY head on and win
noble siren
@unique scaffold but it got nerfed right? So drac should be nerfed
dusky oxide
@crystal spoke someone made the example of a drac rushing a type earlier. Nonetheless the type doesnt have that good of a pick up so you can catch one out in a drac.
sudden pier
Drac > type 62
humble spear
for almost every situation but a DPM fight, yes
crystal spoke
Huh I've never seen that that happen
sudden pier
I play the type and most drac players know to ram other lights to easily take off 200+ health
dusky oxide
@crystal spoke have u never seen a drac ram?
deft owl
Spartacus logic:
Keni otsu is fine you guys dont want to learn how to counter it.
crystal spoke
@dusky oxide I've never seen one successfully ram a type
sudden pier
Exactly
Becuase it's too light
unique scaffold
@deft owl. There is no denying that you are a good player.
My point was, is, and shall remain that the Drac in the current meta is not OP. The magical tracks and spaced armor are a non issue.
The mobility is what makes the Drac good and the meta of tier VII has been adjusted already to help negate this advantage. We've had equipment changes, heavy buffs, and soon new consumables that all work together to take the edge away from tanks like the Dracula and Helsing.
I simply do not think that any further changes are needed.
crystal spoke
I've had them ram me and lose 300
cyan frost
i think they should make the Ferdinands health to 1400 again i am dying to quickly with only 1200 compared to alot of other tanks with 1600 to 1800 i think this is really low health for this tank
unique scaffold
@deft owl. Wrong. The Keni should have been nerfed long ago.
deft owl
It was a joke dont take it seriously :)
unique scaffold
There is a huge difference between just out DPMing a entire team into the ground and using terrain and speed to flank and spank oblivious enemies.
noble siren
@cyan frost yes but its not russian
cyan frost
what do you mean by that it is not russian
charred bobcat
Yeah and the average tier 7 player should accommodate to the Drac. Right.
crystal spoke
The ferdi is German
deft owl
Magical tracks are very strong against tds. In normal circumstances tds try to track the med or light (At least i try) when they aproach to cod him but when it comes to drac it simple cannot tracked. If you guys dont know drac will always take half damage from its first shot to its track. This increases its chances cod a td.
This kind of advantage combined with every other stat is makes it op imho. Very high overall winrate proves my point.
dusky oxide
@sudden pier what is? The drac is 33 tonnes.
crystal spoke
I track them quite often
noble siren
@cyan frost WG loves to make russians OP
dusky oxide
@crystal spoke well a type weighs a third less and accelerstes slowly so you can imagine the rest
crystal spoke
Yeah if that's the case but I still just haven't seen it happen
cyan frost
yes indeed is German but is slow has descent armor but unlike the Russian heavy's it has very low health the Ferdinand is low and easy to kill so i think WG should to make it bit better because this is ridiculous
cyan frost
hmmm
unique scaffold
@cyan frost ferdi is op m8 , I love that tank , it may not be the best armored tank, but that gun , and the way it is mounted with tank is just perfect ,I would say it is in perfect middle between rhm that does not have armor , but got turret , and jp with mobility , almost impenetrable "turret" ,but with bad gun traverse
tired sky
Anyone know the credit coeffient for the 252U?
unique scaffold
Ferdi is welll armored , and I would even say it is like heavy tank, but you have to angle , and use it wise , cuz t34 are penning it every time
@tired sky
tired sky
Thank you Masel231
unique scaffold
Np m8
cyan frost
yo massel wanna platoon
unique scaffold
I'm sorry but I play like noob today
cyan frost
yo mate i just had the best battle with this AMX on the other team lol like the whole team was shooting at me but i was angled so they couldn't pen me so i said that to them and the AMX says like madlad and then he attack me he said grr but mah ferdi is fully upgraded so i shoot him dead lel only no replays
@unique scaffold damn you are pro af
this is me lol
unique scaffold
Thx , and well done in battle
daring turret
Do you guys think they should lower the badger's frontal amor/
viscid blade
They probably won't, seeing how the WZ 120 FT still exists and that PC badger still has like 250mm+ effective
daring turret
tru
cyan frost
lol
unique scaffold
@viscid blade you forget that pc wot is difrent game , with tanks in t 10 that are supposed to spam HE and Leo 1 with 280 pen on normall ammo ,and broken gold ammo
viscid blade
Well yes, but many of the stats in blitz are from the PC version.
unique scaffold
Well any Russian medium/heavy tank would be completely broken in blitz if added 1:1
Without changing stats etc, and I'm pretty sure that did nerf the badger
twin egret
they did nerf the badger, severely.
shrewd bronze
@deft owl if you can’t pen the track then don’t aim for the track, simple
Also @cyan frost if you think he’s op....
lethal saddle
dracula tracks heal very very quickly
shrewd bronze
The Dracula isn’t op, the Type 62 has a lot better gun handling n stuff, people just get killed by one and decide it’s because the DrAc iS oP
distant river
@shrewd bronze its a reroll who has only played a few tanks, nothing special there
lethal saddle
i dont think that changes the fact that hes good
shrewd bronze
I have a 8.5k damage record, that’s certainly special.
stoic pebble
Does the dracula have weak modules like the type 62? asking since I keep getting ammoracked in the 62
shrewd bronze
In the WT, as it happens @distant river
distant river
Hes probably a 60% player on his main account, but that isnt anything too special
shrewd bronze
And @stoic pebble no the type 62 is just prone to ammoracking because it’s pretty much Russian
@distant river tf ? What’s your account name then ?
lethal saddle
@distant river just incase you arent aware that is @shrewd bronze 's account
distant river
SmileyFish3, frel free to complain all you want
stoic pebble
There's one key difference I find when I fight Type 62s and when I fight draculas. It's super easy to shoot 100% HE and easily kill the 62 while the dracula essentially requires you to use AP.
distant river
@lethal saddle i know its funny watching him be so proud
stoic pebble
Can you guys stop talking about personal stats this isn't flex channel lol
shrewd bronze
Hmm, nothing special ? After seeing those stats I kinda want to bleach my eyes lmfao
@stoic pebble Ik mate, and true but in the type 62 you only engage with a Dracula if you have to
distant river
@shrewd bronze loving the 62% platoon rate too
stoic pebble
I meant in any tank such as the Type 59 or what not. You can throw HE in the 62's general direction and pen it easy while the drac has screens everywhere which means its better to use AP
lethal saddle
the dracula does have better HE resistance because of the sideskirts
the fronts of both tanks still aren't reliable he pens for mediums and lights though
shrewd bronze
True, and @lethal saddle that’s why I normally go and find another target normally
unique scaffold
SU 100Y -strengthen the armor t69-improve penetration JPanter -strengthen the armor is5-is6-slightly strengthen the armor
isu-122S -strengthen the armor
distant river
None of those need armour buffs, if you are relying on armour in the su100y or jpanther...
stoic pebble
buffing anything about the IS-5 that isn't gun handling
bruh it don't need any buffs it's in a good spot right now
distant river
IS5 and 6 are nicely balenced and 122s has a huge mantlet and nice dpm so it definitely doesnt need a buff
indigo knot
Is6 kinda is powercreeped....it needs a little buff....like removal of front plate hatch and reduce the turret hatches and dpm similar to Is5
lethal saddle
I like how we can't accept a russian premium being not competitive
grave bear
@unique scaffold excuse me what the ACTUAL FC*** , is5 and is6 buff the armor?? and tiger II what? give it e75 hull?
unique scaffold
let it at least improve su100Y because it is impossible to play with this scrap 😡 😡
tragic tank su 100Y I am surprised that such a tank is in the shop at all
lethal saddle
reee
unique scaffold
the creators should do something with this tank so that it can deflect 3/5 bullets
I bought it and I regret that I have it
fringe apex
Actualy su100Y is really great, it dont need a buff at all
stoic pebble
aw darn my T6 183 cant bounce anything we need to buff it because it clearly doesn't have anything else
indigo knot
Su100y doesn't need a buff...and armour is fine you can get occasional bounces from the gun mantlet and it doesn't need armour when it has such a great gun which has nice accuracy compared to its calibre
With the premium AP you almost take 90 to 95% hp of tier 5 tanks which has whopping 175mm pen
unique scaffold
There has been a lot of discussion regarding the STB-1 and M48 Patton recently. And I think the STB-1 having 1° more gun depression, 2km more speed and a lower profile does not justify its armor disadvantage. Both vehicles have the same DPM and similar gun handling, right now there just seems to be no reason to use the STB over the Patton. So I hope the devs see this and give the STB something special
proud yew
STB-1 needs a bit more armour?
unique scaffold
Not necessarily, just something that can persuade someone to pick it over the M48
Because right now I don’t see anything it can do that the Patton cannot do
thin condor
@unique scaffold dude you can one shot tier 5's with the gold AP yup definitely needs a buff
indigo knot
Stb is fine currently and doesn't need any armour ...it got buffed in the some of its gun stats
summer mortar
omfg...
they added obj 252 U defender 😄 Thank you WG You have added an extremly broken tank which 2 shots tier 7s, and cant be penned by them, has tier 9 alpha, and is just to strong for tier 8
humble spear
the IS-5 has a better lower plate than the defender...
summer mortar
the is 5 dosent have OP alpha
the is 5 also has weaker sides, a weaker turret, and a larger lowerplate
charred bobcat
lol stb is in a really good position rn, it definitely isnt worse than the patton
summer mortar
its like a faster patton, with better pen, but worse armor, kinda like an lttb vs the m41, one has better pen and is fater, while the other has more armor
summer mortar
it dosent? well thgats new....... @flat zephyr its OP against tier 7s who cant pen it reliably from the front or sides without premo, so its just strong
flat zephyr
Any tier7 can pen the lower plate believe me
Side armor is great I won't ignore that and it has a bit more alpha, but less dpm and worst aim
humble spear
uh no? The 252U has a gigantic lower plate, at less angle and only 100mm thick.
The 252U can't reverse sidescrape due to risk of overangling the side plate which sits at 90 degrees, 100mm thick.
But yeah the turret's pretty solid, still has 2 cupolas of 150 thickness though
flat zephyr
Its reload time is 13.1 with 1900 dmp, a 100 less than is5, worse dispersion and a bit slower on acceleration and worst top speed
summer mortar
what tanks besides the is 3 and is 4 reverse sidescrape lmao
flat zephyr
Every tank has it's drawbacks. Obj 252 doesn't have such special powers
humble spear
@summer mortar the IS-5 is an amazing reverse sidescraper
summer mortar
@flat zephyr its a short vk 100.01 p is what your tryna say? low dpm, good armor, bad lowerplate....etc
@humble spear fantasy tanks dont matter
humble spear
I do it all the time in that tank, can reliably bounce everything but 122 and above
the 252U is a fantasy tank, so I'm comparing it to another
flat zephyr
It has better dpm than 252, also much much smalle lower plate. It lacks speed. Speed is an important matter of being op
summer mortar
actually the obj 252 u did exist, the is 5 became the is 8 in like 1 month
@flat zephyr what would be op in this game then (not including the obvious wz 120-1ft)
flat zephyr
The Hellsing
summer mortar
pft yeah no, bad armor, good gun and speed are its only good parts
the drac is better than the helsing lol
grave bear
Tiger P is op
the best tier 7 to be precise
maybe followed by T43
humble spear
the helsing has a really bouncy upper* plate lmao
summer mortar
@grave bear yeah the tiger p is prob the best tier 7, or maybe the drac...nah those 2 are tied
grave bear
dracula is trash compared to tiger P
wraith lance
When it was first added the Helsing broke tier VII IMO, now, not so much
summer mortar
people overhype the hlesing, which is a very mediocre tank tbh. Good speed, trolly armor, k but that turret is like swiss cheese, and it dosent have much gun depression....
grave bear
dracula has an horrible gun which destroys its carry power, it's still good but not comparable to the brokenly op tiger P
summer mortar
@wraith lance yeah overtime powercreep has caught up with it, but not the drac tho.......also the tigeer p is really good because mobile players cant react to it, but on pc its easier to kill (coupla and lower plate are actually quite large)
grave bear
Tiger P: take Black Prince,give to it better overall armor, more alpha, more accuracy, more top speed, way more traverse, more pen, and take away some hundreds of dpm, which is still super high.
summer mortar
its strong not OP
grave bear
imo it's op
summer mortar
@grave bear you drive one dont you?
flat zephyr
Tiger p was op
grave bear
idk it's the only tank i have with 3k avg dmg out of tier 7-8, plus 90wr in it
summer mortar
It is not very stong when against tier 8s, its like the matilda.. good aganst equal & lower tier, but suffer higher up
flat zephyr
Also I would call smasher op too. It's less seen in battles now, but still op
grave bear
most tier 8 heavy tanks needs to use gold for tiger P frontally, especially bad accurate ones which cant go for lp or cupola
flat zephyr
@grave bear also you might want to check profile before argument.
grave bear
imo smasher has not enough carry factors. the gun only is in pair with tiger P , smasher has alpha and mayBe oneshoot potential, while tiger P has super gun efficiency, but tiger P has also armor and mobility
im not saying smasher is bad, im saying tiger P is better than every existing tier 7, because tiger P has everhthing, you only need to do something for the cupola
summer mortar
@grave bear carry potential is such an arbitrary and irrelavant term, bc you usally only need to carry once every 50-100 games like srsly, blitz is not like pc
flat zephyr
Smasher has enough armor and mobility.
On the other hand alpha is a huge advantage.
Also I would call namesless op too. It was super good befor the buff, it's godlike now
And I agree tiger p is better than smasher
grave bear
@summer mortar i dont think i would be able to have 3k avg dmg and 90wr also in the smasher . it cant carry that much because med tanks from distance can take it down ezly, while tiger P can snap them.
yeah nameless is very good now, take Tiger I, give to it better moblity by a bit, and enchance frontal armor
@summer mortar Tiger P is op because there is NO situation that tiger P cant handle, it can do everything and also super good.
Smasher is not in pair with tiger P because it's more situational. its gun doesnt provide you 360° protection and has not enough mobility to face meds surrounding you
summer mortar
thats...not what i said....what are you trying to prove?
nothing is better than the t 34 3, the most fun you can have with a useless machine
its so fking bad, like no joke the t 34 3 is literal shit, but its just so much fun to play
Sorry if you misinterpreted me, i never said the smasher was better than the tiger p, also the tiger p cant handle being out flanked from every side, only the maus can do that
flat zephyr
It's not tiger1, it's a complete beast .
Is series can never pen a facehugging nameless but the turret.
You would know that pening turret on tanks like nameless is super hard even at facehug situation @grave bear
grave bear
@summer mortar yes tiger P can, because it has enough fast combined traverse and accuracy + reload and dpm to handle 2 tanks coming out from totally different positions
tiger P.will take damage, but enemies will take more.
Just focus on 1 enemy and Perma track it. then your job is ended
summer mortar
@grave bear heres a better analogy, take the maus, drop it to tier 7, and boom id like to 1v1 you, bc there is no way a tiger p can handle that, maybe your just aunicum in the tank, so you overhype it a bit with bias. The pz 5/4 imo is the best tier 5 but I also say that bc of bias, I have like 70% winrate with it and like averag e1 k damage in it too.....at tier 5
everyside dosent mean 2 tanks i mean like 5
grave bear
pz 5/4 is actually best tier 5, i have 1700 dmg in it
summer mortar
lmao
flat zephyr
Winrate isn't important as its impacted by toon, timing and many things, the average damage though
grave bear
it's Panther I hull at tier 5, 10 gun depression over the sides, fast top speed. turret makes it just best tier 5 and not brokenly op.
summer mortar
no one beleives me when i say it, everyone is always like NEow my kv 1 os soooo strong, and im like, the pz 5/4 litterally has better frontal armor and like x3 speed
flat zephyr
Also pzv/iv is actually one of the top 3 tier V tanks in the game
humble spear
disregard the crusader?
summer mortar
#1 tier 5 is the flack bus/toaster f in chat for our fallen buddy pzfslc
flat zephyr
Crusader isn't as good as pz5/4
It lacks armor
crystal spoke
But the angry connor
grave bear
the only tank in pair with pz V/IV imo is scaveger. for most is a trash tank but is actually op with both guns, super fast, trollish turret (a lot) BIG alpha or super accurate gun
summer mortar
but in all seriousness the best tier 5 is the kv-220 @crystal spoke angry Connor has best credit coeffcient in game, its not a good tank though
flat zephyr
@grave bear m4a2e1 is op too
grave bear
@flat zephyr nah
crystal spoke
It's a really good td it's got insane pen and rof
summer mortar
@crystal spoke its nice, but no its not very good, its average
flat zephyr
It has super great gun, great armor, not a bad speed
grave bear
@summer mortar yeah i forgot kv220, this thing has KV3 hull at tier 5, while pz V/iv has panther I hull. one is fast and the other has super thick armor
flat zephyr
@crystal spoke have you played with angry conner?
summer mortar
the kv 220 2 is just broken, like srsly who thought it was a good idea and yeah @grave bear I have fought one kv 220-2 so far in my 5/4 and let me just say, its really scary, and I cant pen it reliably with premo, its a 50/50 even with the op german pen and accuracy
grave bear
it:s a very good tank, backward speed makes it the most versatile tier 5td
flat zephyr
@grave bear and forward is the slowest tank in game
grave bear
yeah but who cares, you can run away from meds shooting them
summer mortar
lmao t95-chan beats someone in a race
grave bear
it has very good traverse, 3-4 seconds and you're at full speed
flat zephyr
The only thing that angry Conner has is the gun
The gun is super amazing but the rest, just bad.
You can play a toaster with an amazing gun also, but no credits earned
grave bear
you can eat tanks with that. 16 seconds and you killed a tier 5 full hp
summer mortar
The angry conor is the best for mad games, which dont affect your winrate,
crystal spoke
It also has the second most hp and view range , tarrain resistance
Oh and second most traverse
nimble zodiac
I think it’s established but Obj. 252U is almost as good as the IS-8, if not as good
flat zephyr
How can you compare is8 with 252😐
stoic pebble
i can't wait to not pen an angled E 75 lower plate with my 252U
flat zephyr
You will struggle penning e75 even at tier 10
stoic pebble
and get my absolutely massive cupolas sniped from 200m
summer mortar
the 252 u is just armor profile, people dont seem to understand it and compair it with tanks that dont have similar play styles, comparing a 252 u with an is 5 is like compairing an is with a tiger
nimble zodiac
Well, maybe the IS-8 perhaps needs a slight buff to it’s frontal armor?
summer mortar
a better comparison would be the kv-4tress @nimble zodiac just go hull down fam, it has russian blyat turret
flat zephyr
Is8 needs small buff to its turret armor. That's all
nimble zodiac
Roadrunner, u talking which tank for turret? I notice they both have weakspots
summer mortar
the 252 u it has very hard to hit coupolas
flat zephyr
It isn't meant to be armored.
Its fast and mobile, can flank and has great dpm and pen
summer mortar
@flat zephyr the thing plays like a heviumn (is 8)
flat zephyr
It's completely a medium besides it is slower😂
stoic pebble
I don't understand all the complaining about the 252U. It's just another russian heavy. It does some things better than the existing ones but is also worse in many other categories. I guess everyone's just scared of the PC armor profile which isn't here
summer mortar
@stoic pebble on point good now carry on
nimble zodiac
Why is the obj 252 have a good front for 270mm pen, seems like IS-7 vs IS-7 with bad gun
stoic pebble
The 252U has a basically impenetrable upper plate section, both on the front and on the sides, and a strong turret front. Apart from that, it's overall worse than the IS-5. 20 extra alpha isn't significant. Also, you can't compare it to an IS-7 since that actually has lower plate armor
nimble zodiac
Especially for the reload, yes...
clever void
Everyone I’ve seen review the 252u has now said the gun is too accurate. On paper it should be worse then IS-5 but is literally 2x better
flat zephyr
It's not better. It's just the same
river portal
183 is doing so bad in the battles but still make reds feel pain many times so tank not good for who playing it and who play against it
thin fable
^^^
flat zephyr
#183_still_op
smoky yoke
What is your definition of OP?
unique scaffold
if you think the obj 252u is op you must also think the is7 and is5 are op since it is basically the same as both those tanks
mellow cape
@unique scaffold except it isn't, premium ammo easily goes through the upper plates of the IS-5 and the obj 252U upper plate is pretty much 400mm+ head on
mild kindle
252U lower plate is larger than mars
unique scaffold
it also has worse mobility and gun handling
mellow cape
And? It's similar enough to the IS-5 in terms of mobility. The gun handling isn't that much of a concern since you'll be close to your target. The lower plate may be larger than mars but it's still easy to hide
unique scaffold
It really isn't
mild kindle
252u lower plate easy to hid you what. By that time you might as well be hull down
unique scaffold
The pike nose on the 252 goes extremely high , like higher than the tracks
mild kindle
yea exactly. Aint that huge ass lowerplate easy to hide my guy
unique scaffold
Look how high it rides up
mild kindle
you....... bought it
damned wallet warriors
unique scaffold
I can’t lie I’m more happy with the avatar than the tank itself
void pewter
Hmmm wouldn't the Hull get penned if you shot at the track line cuz that seems quite easy
soft spindle
Everyone seems to praise the tank for no reason....I went up against a storm plat of them and we did just fine, won actually
void pewter
It seems overrated but actually haven't fought one
soft spindle
The only reason it would be op is if it was haul down, or face hugging, just get behind it and you’ll be fine
unique scaffold
Very balanced tank WG, great job developing it. 252 is probably the most balanced tier 8 prem you've released in a long while!!!
soft spindle
Every tank is balanced... some are just more balanced then others
summer mortar
artillery balances all the tonks
knotty rain
i played 252u... i say nothing special. Penetrated by every shot, bad mobility, bad gun
dry condor
This is unbalanced
void pewter
Is this tanks? 🤔
cerulean tulip
Wrong server
mild kindle
imagine playing wowsb, the shittiest game ever
if they had any other name, it will be called a wows wannabe thats absolutely trash
deft owl
https://youtu.be/dKI_y1KjWXE Who asked for obj 252u accuracy? That thing is literally a sniper.
fallen elbow
serb
lean plaza
Buff kv 5 gun. If you do then make it 13 seconds for reload
lapis basin
your "balance" sucks. every time i go into a battle i have a team of 40%ers with 1,000 or less battles, and im fighting people with 50%+ and over 8k battles. like what the hell WG seriously. im done with this. you need to fix this or your gonna start losing players.
molten copper
@lean plaza no wtf the tank costs 15$ other tanks cost $40
teal olive
Lol imagine being a comet trying to fight the 252U in any way possible
severe yacht
@lapis basin dude i agree with you. Wargaming is loosing their loyal players due to these shitty matchmakings.
cobalt crane
idk, there loyal players probably aren't noobs
severe yacht
@cobalt craneyes, they aren't noobs but they are getting pissed off by getting some noobs regularly in their teams.
lament vessel
@river portal yes, remove 183 xd
severe yacht
@lament vessel no problem, but don't ask to remove kv2😍
lament vessel
Lol ok
river portal
alpha pro never play low tiers
severe yacht
@river portal i only play with kv2 in lower tire... Lol
lament vessel
@river portal yeah, I only play 10
And 183 su cks
river portal
@severe yacht its fun tank i have 600 battles on it
@lament vessel sux for both who play it and who play against it
cobalt crane
I will rekt people with the new british tds
delicate moth
I like how the arguments used in the discussion about matchmaking or tanks are; “always”, “every time”, “whole team”, and “everything”.
molten copper
@cobalt crane save me pls
cobalt crane
ok
molten copper
Ty
cobalt crane
👍
molten copper
Pls balance french tds, why dont they have auto loaders, while t28 deffender reks everybody, has ammor has a gun, moveable turret.... Wtf
cobalt crane
French tds are very good lol, the t28 proto has much more dpm than the t28 defender
clever mauve
Lol ya @soft spindle
dusky oxide
French tds also have very usable 'ammor'
cloud lava
I like isu and his bl-10 is op but i've been getting two shooted is a shit
cold vale
lol @dusky oxide but on a more serious note I had 93% wr in the first 15 games in my Foch although it dropped to 75 by about game 60 and it seems to be hovering around there. (2400 average damage) If that is underpowered then the people calling it underpowered are looking for P2W tanks
molten copper
thats just how good u are in the game. atm i hav a average of 2000 dmg an 59% winrate but i never win 1 v 1s cuz other tanks just have way better damage per minute
unique scaffold
:))))))))
unique scaffold
🍆
fiery dagger
Can you please nerf the Smasher's accuracy? For a high alpha heavy tank gun at tier 7, it is way too accurate. And not to mention it's aiming and reload time. That thing hit the VK 100's cupola 2 times from 150 metres, even if i tried to shade it with the gun.
crystal spoke
Its weapon handling is quite similar to the su152
fiery dagger
Yeah, i know, just the SU hasn't got a turret, and has worse armor, and 450 less HP...
dense field
Bruh
crystal spoke
And it has better camo mobility and its 350 less
unique scaffold
That is To say hello
dim field
Stop
hallow fog
@unique scaffold yes, naming and shaming someone who has ruined hundreds, if not thousands, of games for people.
unique scaffold
Are you going to delete it or shall I ping the mods to do it for you? @hallow fog
hallow fog
your system clearly ain't working, so this is the only way to deal with these people
unique scaffold
Okay. <@&481447501690568709> naming and shaming.
jade cargoBOT
Noober97[-BA-}#8537 was muted
empty ice
Oof
brisk lily
People just don’t seem to understand
jade cargoBOT
Bartek.pl#5371 has been warned.
median gust
Just talk about balance... Please read the channel na,me
unique scaffold
@median gust
Ok an how kan.iread?
And what for a Balance?
Sorry i am in the false chat
median gust
?
hidden solstice
The t49 needs AP. It's HEAT is a joke and it's HE is way to expensive. It needs AP
unique scaffold
No it doesn't. The Heat is fine if you are playing the tank correctly and aiming. If anything it needs a non pramo HE round.@hidden solstice
hidden solstice
A tank is not balanced if you have to spam pream ammo to do reliable damage. If you say you don't then tell me how to you pen the side of a Russian heavy or a vk100 with HEAT?
unique scaffold
You go behind it, imagine if that stupid tank could pen everything frontally or from the side? Absolutely broken
@hidden solstice I do just fine. You don't play the T49 to make credits. You play it for fun. In general tier 8 light tanks are not intended to be credit grinders. That being said I can turn a profit in the T49 about half of the time. You have to be smart about who you engage and how you do it.
hidden solstice
Name one other tank that you have to load more pream then standard to be competitive
unique scaffold
Name one other light tank with a 152mm cannon? If you don't like the costs of running the 152mm you are more than welcome to run it with the 90mm.
deft owl
T49 with 90mm gun is hot garbage. Ru 251 performs better in every single way.
Lekpz m41 also beats it.
lean plaza
Did kv 2 get nerfed because I couldn’t pen the sides of an m6
worthy flicker
Thats the exact opposite of why you should nerf the kv 2
unique scaffold
@deft owl I'm not saying it's a good option 🤣. I'm just saying it's a option for someone who doesn't want to run the 152mm
worthy flicker
Oh my what cooldown
unique scaffold
@lean plaza many of the tanks that face the KV-2 received buffs either directly or indirectly.
cobalt spade
Obj252 is most balanced tank
echo pollen
I'd rlly like a buff to the AMX 50 B's intra-clip reload
And ppl say the AMX has an advantage over the T57 by mobility but I have both, T57 has way faster turret and hull traverse.
grave bear
Amx 50b has 25km more top speed and 10 degrees of gun depression, with better accuracy. traverse is still decent.
echo pollen
True, the sniping capability of the AMX is way better. The speed does get you in positions faster but feels so slow when I turn the hull to reposition or reengage.
grave bear
it's outperformed in hull traverse only by fv215b t57 and chieftain mk6 of tier X heavies
teal olive
Except It’s not a 152 @unique scaffold idc if the alpha was nerfed, they could at least make the HE non prem If they’re gonna do that. Not fair give players less damage for their shell but make it as expensive as it was beforehand
soft mulch
Can WG balance the concealment upon firing in BC 25 t AP, it has -3Million concealment lol
unique scaffold
252u is balanced
unique scaffold
🍆❤🍑
worthy portal
Jagdtiger feels its armor is not thick because its armor is 250 but can penetrate fastly by MTs and LTs
wide bloom
Any, way i was happy...who is better than me can make 1 shot to someone :) any ather worse than me :)
shut depot
The obj 252 seems overpowered
fleet sorrel
it is, but if u played this game long enough its another is3
wet quail
T49 is balanced, remember when it literally got a guaranteed ammo rack every game? Giving it heat instead of AP makes it easier to counter
It isn’t, easy to counter @shut depot
gilded pivot
Just shoot the lower plate instead of loading the 5% rounds and autoaiming...
river portal
can wg balance the 183?
meager spruce
@river portal more like "Can wg remove the 183"
river portal
yes tank need buff cant even make damage on it now and i really miss playing on it
meager spruce
It is really hard to balance a VERY hard hitting TD as there will always be people complaining that that tank is bad or that the tank is too good. Therefore the easiest decision - remove it
river portal
just get back old version of 183 and nerf 'ap' pen
meager spruce
Make its AP pen similar tier for tier to the KV2 standard AP for 152mm.
vivid citrus
Ap pen 270 and its balanced
indigo knot
183 is fine...a tank with such a big gun is fine as it is currently
unique scaffold
t95 or t49
lament vessel
@river portal no
river portal
@lament vessel why no tank no so bad
lament vessel
@river portal its bad in both ways... one is op the other is useless.
river portal
@lament vessel ik its bad on both ways so we make it bad in one way only when we buff it
lament vessel
@river portal it only needs a buff in mobility imo
river portal
camo more
lament vessel
Meh camo is fine... grille has bad camo too
cerulean tulip
Buff 183 hesh pen
slim rivet
And mobility. And armor. And accuracy. And hp pool @cerulean tulip
lament vessel
@slim rivet yeah lmao
cerulean tulip
@slim rivet indeed
flat zephyr
183 is useless now
dusky oxide
Good. Play a real tank.
vocal owl
Hi
meager spruce
@molten copper last battle of calibration I assume
molten copper
owh lol
summer mortar
The 252 U isnt AS good as it is on PC (200+ lower plate) but it is still really strong, cause it gets that nice is6 turret with a soviet pike-nose. Not to mention it does 20 more alpha than normal 122mm guns. It is superior to all the other is 3 variants in one way or another.....
More armor than is 5 and is 3, more alpha too....more health and turret armor than the glacial..lowerprofile than the wz 110....and more alpha and armor too....and more hull armor than the is 6..... and it has is 8 side armor....and plays like an is 4
Only downside is massive lower plate and weak turret top.....but it gets like 6 degrees of gun depression over the corners of the rear of the tank...and is basically impossible to pen from a position above an enemy
dapper osprey
Can we buff the T95E6? I know it isn’t widely played but it is very underperforming compared to the E5 and Is-4 when it comes to its front armor the upper plate can be penned by tier 7s. Seeing how it’s a collector tank is there a way we can make the hatch a lot smaller or something? Because it’s a huge weakness and there is nothing to really make up for it
safe canopy
looks like its just in the middle, just a small playerbase but its a really rare tank
charred bobcat
Lol you cant really use those blitzstars stats as a determination of a good/bad tank
Its a different player base using that tank and the the number is so low that it could easily be skewed. It really isnt a "controlled experiment"
elfin marlin
183 camo is bad. Restore it to its original status
distant river
Back encouraging fun and interesting gameplay again i see
elfin marlin
Or buff the reload and armor
charred bobcat
It doesnt need a buff/nerf, it needs a rework.
slim rivet
A rework called removal 😹
tough talon
Wtffff? I cant log in my account but I can log in with my friend's account?! WG WHAT'S HAPPENING omg
Loading and it says u are disconnected from server but I even do anything
empty ice
You just admitted to breaking the EULA good job
tough talon
Its for long time, since 5pm until now
empty ice
Maybe you got banned for breaking the eula
tough talon
I did nothing, played yesterday and today I cant join.
Im pretty sure im not
Anyone can help me?
drowsy plaza
No one can help you here.
But seriously the Obj 252U needs a buff, I’m only 77% in it. 🤫
unique scaffold
Its balanced
ruby oriole
Is it okay to discuss the balance of realistic mode here
Cos manual hyperzoom on the PC could be really overpowered if certain rules don't apply. Like if you could zoom in manually to spot enemies, you already have an advantage over the mobile players. To add on, turning off camo gives you a advantage.
unique scaffold
lets use our bright orange professionals camo for a tactical advantage on winter maps
crystal spoke
That would severely increase the que times
dim field
Increased que times and basing of years instead of battles would directly punish people who don't play often. Somebody who only played 100 battles a year could be matched against somebody who plays 5000 battles a year
keen lynx
KV 2 best HE penetration
A 20: am i joke to you?
rare wing
#tank-balance-discussion can be removed now that 252 is in game now lmfao
dim field
Are you saying everything has reached perfect balance?
river portal
@torn cliff i wonder why are you wondering that there are so many dislikes on it
lament vessel
🤔
willow yarrow
252u delete game
molten copper
why the 252u is trash
lament vessel
@molten copper it isnt. Its only expensive...
molten copper
yes, and it isnt that much better then a IS-3 right?
lament vessel
Hm... I think its a bit better.. 🤔
The armor is much better tho
hollow bridge
Step 1. Channel to let player complain about how OP a new premium tank is. Step 2. You lot complain. Step 3. Profit!
drowsy plaza
252U is a better IS-6 for good players - for the majority of the player base it sucks as they don’t know how to use the armor.
meager spruce
crystal spoke
How is this balanced?
meager spruce
Alright, moving to screenshots
crystal spoke
Oh ok I wasn't sure if you had more to put but forgot to hit send ( it happens to me a lot)
sudden pier
Exactly
Had a match earlier where the game though that my team having a deathstar-T30-T95 vs the enemy teams two Deathstars and a T30 was a fair TD matchup
unique scaffold
@sudden pier @unique scaffold. Read the pinned messages
sudden pier
Dang
sudden pier
You got me there
proud cape
Either buff the IS-5 or nerf the Object 252U & WZ-120 premium TD
earnest bay
Hi
grave bear
Lmao why would is5 Need a buff
it's already a better is3
distant river
IS5 is nicely balanced atm
dim field
Isu-152 is fine
heavy flicker
252 really needs a nerf if it's going to be considered balanced
proud cape
IS-5 isn't balanced u wot M8 @grave bear
Big Weak lower glacis,IS-3 has very small one
Piked nose strength better on IS-3,not IS-5
Gun accuracy
drowsy plaza
@heavy flicker the large lower plate and terrible gun balanced the 252U.
unique scaffold
^^^ it's very balanced
drowsy plaza
grave bear
@proud cape wtf are you saying... pike nose is 1k timea stronger in is5... plus side armor... is5 has just worse lower plate, because is5 pike nose is more sloped so smaller, while obvously lower plate is less angled and bigger. is3 has like 205 like nose while is5 has 260 around
fallen elbow
You realize that the pike of the 252U is angled more
also the armor thickness of the 252U (in paper) is 250mm, compared to 201mm with the IS5
shy wren
o7
meager peak
any one has login issues?
empty ice
No
tame wharf
yes
grave bear
@fallen elbow then you realise that we were speaking about is5 and is3,
and then you realise is5 has 120 mm on paper and obj252U has 130mm on paper,
and then you realise that is5 has 265 effective mm of pike nose armor while is3 has just 210mm
and then you realise that obj252U has the thickest upper frontal plate out of all existing tanks
(455-470 effective mm, angled at 74°-75°)
obj263 is the 2nd with 440mm.
But THEN, you realise that these plates have very low base armor, they're just super sloped, this means that every minimal inclination change of the vehicle from the shooter, can change the effective armor of this pike nose (counting that the tank's hull is always watching straight the shooter) by smt like 40-60%.
meager peak
some how i cannot login since yeterday while 2 days ago it was perfectly fine. It always says i am disconnected from server
grave bear
@meager peak #570204768857882624
tame wharf
basically swedish tds
meager peak
@grave bear i have sent a messege there, but you know how slowmode is like over there. So i come here to ask if anyone has similar problems
grave bear
there is #general-blitz-discussion for that.... this has nothing to do with balance discussion...
meager peak
i am blind sry XD
vague cypress
Are the Wargamers the creators of the game or is this a fan discord?
crystal spoke
This is the official discord
flat maple
Anyone experiencing shell lag
crystal spoke
Nah that's just hang fires
flat maple
yea thats what i ment
crystal spoke
Lol sometimes
dim field
Yes
wheat ferry
a little
magic topaz
how is it possible that the mk6 have like 60 shots in the ammo box but the fv215b only have 35 shots in the ammo box. i hate run out of ammo while driving that tank...
its time to expand the ammo capacity of that tank dont you think?
crystal spoke
There was more internal room for ammo in the mk6 then in the fv215b
magic topaz
thats dont have any sense
wheat ferry
it does
crystal spoke
That's how tanks work each design and even variant has different internal layouts
wheat ferry
lmao
magic topaz
then i dont understand why the vk72 got an expanded ammo box update when it was not necesary (long reload time tank). and if talking about tank size or ammo box size then why the is4 and all smaller tanks got bigger ammunition capacity than the fv215b. like i said no sense at all.
humble spear
The chieftain was an actual tank that was produced and put into service. It's made to hold enough shells. The Fv215b is a conqueror with a rear-mounted turret so I doubt it can hold many shells
crystal spoke
Internal volume is different than external
crystal spoke
Yup it's nice and random just how it should be although this isnt the place to discuss mm
rigid wigeon
- There’s nothing wrong with that picture.
- Read pinned messages @subtle egret
meager spruce
@subtle egret 1st) he is not complaining
2nd) see what is his message
3rd) Be amazed at the ballance
rigid wigeon
O
outer meadow
Hey do you watch the new rules
unique scaffold
I don't remember where, but I read somewhere the ISU-152 will be subjected to a little nerf, I hope not, can anyone confirm that?
cunning kindle
Time to stop reading whatever ur reading
molten copper
Oh yes they do, but they dont earn money if the players dont like it .. Everyone has to earn money
keen lynx
Money keep the game run
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. Your argument is blatantly wrong. Wargaming is a company. A company depends on consumers buying their products. For this to happen the consumers must place value in what Wargaming is selling. If the consumers do not place value in what Wargaming is selling they will not puchase it and Wargaming will fail. So your statement about WG only caring about money is wrong. Wargaming cares about offering a product that pleases their consumers so that they can continue to exist as a company. At its core the Consumers need to be happy for Wargaming to survive. Consumer satisfaction = money = Wargaming Surviving. Money plays a part but ultimately Consumer satisfaction is what Wargaming is concerned about.
shadow arch
I'm totally buying the 252U....all these tears have convinced me
indigo knot
I am still gonna save for wz120gft and scorpion g .....
unique scaffold
i think wotb should add maps specifically for realistic mode after 6.0 just like grand battles.. eg. make map bigger and mke it a realistic place (kursk, stalingrad, normandy but bigger, rheineland, germany, el alamein and many more
tight gulch
@unique scaffold good idea
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold dissatisfied customers do not spend money. For wargaming to exist as a company there has to be satisfied customers spending money. It isn't that hard to understand.
@tight gulch hey iamtoast
@unique scaffold Could it be wg blitz bankrupt, as the bloggers said on April 1 there is truth? why is the server disconnected that is the question 😫
brazen flax
Could i ask for a Super Pershing Turret buff?
Like, PC did?
unique scaffold
No
lethal sable
Very ballanced
unique scaffold
WG needs to buff those low win rate tanks and they know which one of them since they have the data.
brazen flax
Is very awful to play hulldown. There no point of doing it.
But well, 95% of the player base is not very skilled i think that why they buy russian heavys 🤔
slate meadow
oof, is4 is my fav tank tho
quick violet
When FV 4005 line first comes out they will all be super OP due to the special consumables only the Brits will get. Until they add more for other countries.
It's like mad games for only British tanks
ivory sphinx
Exactly. I rly hope they don’t implement the new consumables
quick violet
I would love those new consumables, but they should be introduced in a separate update all at once for every country
ivory sphinx
The t57 will become irrelevant with the addition of the fv with consumables
quick violet
T57 doesn't have 14 mm turret tho XD i think the 4005 is taller then the maus
ivory sphinx
Maybe 1 consumable per nation per update
Yeah but dpm and mobility is waayyy lesser and the armour is not exactly strong
quick violet
Unload 1380 damage in 4.2 seconds totally not broke lol
quick violet
Not to mention 60% to engine power get away when your reloading
ivory sphinx
Exactly my point. It has more burst dmg in less time, 30-40% more dpm, more mobility and HE 20% immunity
quick violet
But honestly I love that we finally getting some consumable variety. Just wish it included other countries to make it balanced
@ivory sphinx true I forgot about the HE one lol. 20% off the damage means that tanks like the IS4 Bat chat and some medium tanks will do less damage firing HE than if they fired AP
ivory sphinx
The consumables {for all nations] should be less powerful, they need to stray away from mad games like u said
Crazy, huh?@quick violet
quick violet
I'm sure the FV 4005 huge size and paper armor will make it fair enough. Will probably have worse camo rating then the Jpz E100. Also probably taller than the maus
ivory sphinx
Hope so. And speaking of camo rating, they really need to buff grille15’s camo, just look at the 268!
quick violet
Yeah. That's one of the reasons the Tier 9 Waffle is better then the grille, that and a whole host of others...
ivory sphinx
But no one uses it in tournaments
quick violet
Cuz pen is low and certain situations call for grille accuracy. But as a tank the waffle is better in nearly every way besides HP and Gun accuracy
ivory sphinx
Grille no gun depression in front, bad camo, paper armour, bad traverse makes it hard to get to 60wr
quick violet
Waffle gets full traverse turret with 10° gun depression at side and rear while grille only gets 8° at the far edge of its aim. Waffle accuracy on the move it better and the hull traverse speed is also better. Camo rating is better. Armor is even negligibly better, but still stronger nonetheless.
clever void
Ya I’d don’t understand the logic at all in the grille compared to WT
And tbf. The WT is a bit over cooked
quick violet
Theres even a whole host of people including myself that say the WT is better in a tier 10 battle because it's more versatile
clever void
I agree 100%
ivory sphinx
With 150mm or 128mm
Or both?
quick violet
150
clever void
I have recently started playing grille again. I find that front lining it nxt to heavys gives more consistency to stats and wr
ivory sphinx
Yeah some situations the grille is very good on the frontline peek a boom style
clever void
That is what I mean. It requires hard cover
quick violet
Grille needs 1 of 3 things to be reliably good: it needs further turret range, it needs better hull traverse speed, it needs full 8° gun depression over the front... if wargaming chose one of those small buffs for grille I would be satisfied with its balancing.
ivory sphinx
Btw do u guys run calibrated shells or rammer considering the grille has lowest base penetration of all t10 TDs? I run calibrated shells
quick violet
Calibrated shells still has amazing reload so it's fine
ivory sphinx
12.2sec not far off 268
quick violet
12.0 for me
11.2 without calibrated but because grille is primarily long range I find the pen is more helpful
ivory sphinx
Same, but a lot of pros have rammer, I don’t understand why
quick violet
if you trust your aim enough I suppose it is not unreasonable
ivory sphinx
Even if the aim is superb, how do they deal with hull down is4, is7, chieftain [moving] or 113 etc
quick violet
That's another thing grille sucks in... HE pen is lower then average for that caliber of gun
ivory sphinx
All german large caliber guns have too low HE pen. Especially jg100
quick violet
@ivory sphinx they use HEAT ( also tier 9 waffle has same heat pen as Grille ) another thing
Waffle has higher HE pen then Grille does which saddnes me
ivory sphinx
HEAT + calibrated shells still not enough for penning is4 turret in my experience
quick violet
Depending where you hit you can pen IS4 turret with AP. There is a small area next to the gun and gun mantlet which is flat 250 mm. Can be penned if you get lucky or get close
ivory sphinx
Turret hatch-no way
Turret left cheek- it’s 1cm^2 and troll so pen only 30% of the time
My solution is just spamming HE
@ Depending where you hit you can pen IS4 turret with AP. There is a small area next to the gun and gun mantlet which is flat 250 mm. Can be penned if you get lucky or get close
Will try again in battles
quick violet
Or just drive a maus and shoot top lol
compact sundial
Or just drive a MS-1 and ammo rack everyone with a single shot
exotic field
The only tank that they have to nerf it, is BC-25 tier 10 autolaoder. Absolutely unfair tank. Got speed. Reload time. Meadium Armour. Viewrang. Penetration. Alpha damage. Why a single tank like a BC should shot you and kill all your crew (comander driver) and broke the engine with first shot!!!!!!! Why wot don't remove all autoloaders of this game. 7 minutes battle and all the small maps. Why we need autoloaders like BC such over power tank in the game!!??? What's the reason!!!!???
compact sundial
There is the autoloading AMX 50 B. The autoloading T57 Heavy. The autoloading FV 4005. The Batchat is fine. It has light armor for a T10, making it vulnerable to HE and HESH spam in tier ten. you are whining about something someone pry has full equipment, provisions, and crew on.
exotic field
Bc is not fine!!!! They must nerf it
compact sundial
The Batchat is fine.
meager spruce
BC is fine as it is. Gets HE spammed like crazy
deft owl
@exotic field medium armor on bc? View range is 260 meters which is worst in class. Penetration is worst in class. Alpha damage is worst in class.
Troll somewhere else.
unique scaffold
Troll harder please @exotic field
exotic field
@deft owl I don't trust those numbers mate. Even WOT promised HE shells never bounced, I could not pen the front armor of BC25 few time by HE while I was rolling my FV183 and I lost the battle.
Viewrang!!! I have test it specially todayn training room. BC25 and even all French line like amx 50 even, can spot every tanks before they spot them. They fix the viewrang on tier 4, 5 and 6 but the higher tier of french line still got wired viewrang!!!!
😁 i hate BC25. And all the autoloader
unique scaffold
Nerf the batchat ...
https://media.tenor.com/images/4c4fc71530ebc8fed84fc8c4ba6d43f9/tenor.gif
compact sundial
Alright, SD on the scene, time to just lurk and watch 🍿
steep crown
buff the m46 patton oh god it sucks
unique scaffold
And of course it's a 183 driver who is complaining about the BatChat. God I love this server.
@steep crown. Are you being serious?
It's the second highest WR medium in tier nine. Yes. Please buff it.
steep crown
yes I'm being serious, everything about it sucks atleast it could have a good gun but no!
meager spruce
Are these are 5.8 charts. NVM
unique scaffold
This sounds like a case of operator error.
@meager spruce they are the most recent ones I have.
meager spruce
yeah. #devs-answers 5.8 chart matches this one
unique scaffold
46 Patton has highest damage and second highest WR among tier IX mediums... Yes buff it. Hell, buff it twice!
steep crown
Have had t54, E50, T54E1, leo pta and bc if that counts and I loved all of them but this thing just f-ing sucks
meager spruce
Then you are playing it wrong. As easy as that
iron hearth
batchat should get a buff its not competitive at tier 10 for me it should have 2.5 sec intra clip or make it more accurate just make it usable
exotic field
Nerf everything yes. All the tank. Just make all of them the same. 😅
steep crown
sure but people say flank, hulldown but avg speed is like 36 and anyone can pen the turret
unique scaffold
You are doing it wrong @steep crown
iron hearth
i mean on blitz where maps are small and everybody can spot you light tanks like batchat have a hard time
meager spruce
PZKpfz70 has nothing special too but people do very well in it
steep crown
What should I do then
unique scaffold
Play it like a vastly superior T20.
deft owl
Obj 252u needs buff. Isu 152 can pen its lower plate which is unacceptable. Buff it around 200mm then it will be balanced.
unique scaffold
@deft owl nice to be on the same side for once 👍
steep crown
I've tried but it still doesn't work for me I guess I will have to do only 2x xp to get through it.
clever void
@steep crown the M46 feels like the PTA to me except that the m46 actually bounces shots on the turret. It is also highest dpm of all meds at tier 9. True the pene sucks on standard round but it’s a very good tank
iron hearth
if you have problem killing a obj252u you are probably trash that tank has huge lower plate trash gun wont it you if you are good , trash traverse/turret rotation i have been destroying 252u with my t44 all the week
carmine spear
Wow! You're such a good player
unique scaffold
I detect sarcasm...
carmine spear
Maybe a little bit
unique scaffold
I'm trying to decide which request was more absurd.
Nerf the Batchat or buff the 46 Patton...
I'm going to go with nerf the Batchat. That was definitely the more absurd of the two.
frail thorn
Nah, Batchat needs buffs. Give it a 0.1 interclip reload, 10 shells, and 500 alpha.
clever void
I want + 15 pene on standard round on M46 Patton. Tbh anything else would make this tank OP
unique scaffold
Second highest WR and top damage among tier IX mediums. The 46 Patton really doesn't need any buffs.
clever void
I know 😄
compact sundial
The playerbase needs some mental buffs. Other than that I agree with you SD
high lantern
bc is op in right hands
clever void
The m46 does struggle in tier 10 quite a bit. It gets its wr from tier 8 bullying
unique scaffold
If WG figured out how to sell mental buffs in the store they'd rule the world in no time.
@clever void. I don't think it struggles in X at all ¯_(ツ)_/¯
uneven quartz
Buff IS4 please
drowsy plaza
M46 can deal with tier X fine. Load APCR and aim.
Since the HEAT-54 rebalance, the M46 is THE Med in 9
tranquil wadi
Honestly the gap between tier 9s and 10s isn’t too much
But tier 8 and tier 9 is a pretty large leap
nimble zodiac
Mainly because tier IXs are optimized to defend themselves against tier Xs
teal olive
Give batchat a viewrange buff or small gun buff
dapper bloom
I have m46 Patton and I personally think it acts better then some tier 10
charred bobcat
batchat doesnt need a buff lol
tame wharf
lol, I will say from my experience of grinding the m46, it lacked the gun penetration, but tbh, the turret is so small that if u drive forwards and backwards along a ridge, hitting the turret on point is pretty tough
as for the batchat... if you can't relocate and carry games in the amx 12t, 13 75, and the 13 90, forget about even doing properly in the batchats
meager peak
m46 is just perfect, as a mt it really has everything you need except for high penetration, but it's usually on a flank against heavies, so not a big problem
magic mason
I honestly think the T-44-100 isn’t all it was cooked up to be. With the T-54 Mod. 1 looking turret, I thought it’d have some fairly decent armor but it’s wafer thin to so many guns. Perhaps worth considering a turret armor buff? Even just reliable gun mantlet would be enough. From my driving it, I think that tank suffers in many ways.
dim field
I'd be down with a buff. More gd, hp, etc. The side plates seem decent at trolling HE
magic mason
I still don’t fully understand how HE works against skirt armor. I get that firing HE at the sides of an E100 is pointless but I’ve tested the thin side plates of something like the T-44-100 against a T49’s HE and it semi consistency penetrated through the skirt and main side armor for full rolls. What’s that about? I thought HE automatically detonated upon contact and would not penetrate if there’s a fence, tracks, gun, etc in the way.
summer mortar
woah
the obj 252 u needs a nerf, I just carried so hard. and bounced like 3 k damage.....also dealt about 4.5k damage......wg why you do dis???
obsidian laurel
The difference is that the e100 has about 60mm of sideskirts spaces armor while the t49 maybe has around 10 at most
unique scaffold
Myb HE deals dmg cuz it blows up near tank, just like when you shoot under tanks with kv2
And it is supposed to defend against heat more than against HE
fiery flame
HE does damage just like normal rounds if it penetrates the target, otherwise it does splash damage when the shell explodes (not penetrating, missing or hitting a module/spaced armour).
Splash damage is based on three things as far as I am aware: the damage rng, thickness of armour and distance away from explosion. The higher the damage roll, the thinner the armour, the closer the explosion... the more damage you do.
Sometimes you might hit a tanks gun with HE (Grille is a perfect example) and the shell detonates too far away from the target, consequently doing no damage. Or the armour of a tank could be too thick (T110E3 front armour) low caliber HE can’t do anything to it.
crimson bear
please stop. why add the 252 into blitz, you've ruined this game enough already
tame wharf
well^^ if there's a request for the vehicle, and it's predicted to make a ton of money, WG's gonna add it
flat zephyr
252 isn't broken in blitz. It hasn't ruined anything yet
dusky oxide
It hasnt improved anything either. Matter of fact its the last thing t8 needs more of.
iron hearth
if you want a balanced game experience tier 8-7 is not for you
tame wharf
i wouldn't be surprised if every tier 8 prem tank added is gonna be a russian heavy tank
iron hearth
btw people dont relize it but there are a lot of op tech tree tank at tier 8 for example the 54 ltw
unique scaffold
"A lot" and only mentiones one tank which is a questionable one
Ltwt isn't OP.
There literally are no op tech tree tanks lmao
Because no one will buy op premium tanks if there are tanks in tech tree that are op...
sullen vault
Incorrect on that part, people will still buy.
unique scaffold
I wonder why the HE alpha on Lekpz is 320 and on Ru 251 Is 270, when both have 90 mm guns
Because there wouldn't be a reason to buy it if it was the same tank as the Ru 251
clever void
@unique scaffold the RU literally beats reload of lekpz by 2 secs. Dpm is significantly higher.
unique scaffold
It's actually 200 dpm more
Yes, i just was thinking about the HE, since both have the same caliber, what could be to justify such an alpha difference
drowsy plaza
So they can alter the HEP alpha too
safe canopy
i love my m41 90 but i still prefer the ru cuz of the lower profile and small sides which makes it harder to he than the m41 90
cunning kindle
Ah yes the alpha difference is due to something realistic
U c, when u pay for a tank, it has to have something unique so it isnt exactly like the tech tree version
mellow cape
It's a free game, how much do you expect from a free game?
wispy fog
I need help
tough talon
guys， wtf is this? 49a return?
last battle is 15/5/19， there is something wrong, it shouldnt be there
shrewd haven
Tf
fluid jay
wtf how
distant river
@tough talon apparently some guy returned it through support
supple jolt
I'm like 90% sure tthat they didn't nerf the t49a module damage like the t49
shrewd haven
I also think that
clever void
And it might shoot missiles 👀
supple jolt
"might"
If you're on pc wot blitz you can autoaim on tanks behind walls unlike mobile so you can shoot in the opposite direction of a tank with your gun fully elevated using the t49a and then autoaim onto a tank and the missile would fly up and hit the roof of the tank you're autoaiming on
deft owl
@unique scaffold Let me say something funnier. 200mm guns have 300 he damage while 90mm guns only have 270.
supple jolt
200mm?
glass crane
flat zephyr
200mm guns🤔 nice one😐
unique scaffold
Someone contact that Mustafa guy and hope he explains how it can possibly still have the missile launcher T49
graceful copper
humble spear
the KMM needs no buff, it's a very solid tank at tier 6 that's been buffed recently
unique scaffold
Because you shouldn't be aiming at the lower plate in the first place. Turret is weaker
tame wharf
shoot the side armor of arl, ez pen
unique scaffold
Kuro needs no buff.
iron hearth
i still dont get why they buffed the arl on the first place..
drowsy plaza
@distant river Testing it for rerelease
quick lichen
Lol the Kuro is a top 3 heavy in tier 6
gloomy dragon
@drowsy plaza is that from an official source? If that thing comes back it better be in tier 8 & leveled to the current t49 or at least severely nerfed.
...I'd also be content with a moderate rebalance of the t49a and minor buff of the t49. Burning through credits isn't a good idea when one has lots of tanks to still buy but the derp is so worth it when it works.
indigo knot
Arl44 is best tier 6 ht currently
tired laurel
Yes of couse!arl best!
But also I licke kuro mori mine
teal olive
@quick lichen lol false. With the buff, arl much better
quick lichen