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#tank-balance-discussion
fast meteor
slim rivet
Taken or reworked @unique scaffold totally agree. Not the channel to discuss this tho
earnest helm
@rare dome moi
gilded pivot
English please
meager spruce
English please
unique scaffold
@earnest helm. This is the English server. Please use English and only English.
earnest helm
Oki 👌
dusky oxide
Theres multiple things wrong with every tier
clever void
We all want our derp baby back. But I understand why they nerfed it.
dusky oxide
Im playing infinite flight until t10 gets fixed. Im tired of seeing 5 tds in every game. They all end the same way.
clever void
The only thing wrong with tier 10 is the unequal availability of vehicles
slim rivet
T49 needs nothing. Nerf smasher instead
unique scaffold
Just compared the Smasher to the KpfPz. It is absurd. With HE rounds the Smasher has over 1200 more DPM than a tier 9 heavy tank.
median gust
pfffff
unique scaffold
If they don't want to buff DPM or alpha of Kpfpz, then nerf that damn abort of a tank, since it's a collector, HEAVILY
Yeah, this really isn't okay.
rough scroll
If you have the Smasher there is no reason to play any other heavy or TD in tier 7.
unique scaffold
Or tier VIII 🤷♂️
safe canopy
@unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Pinged for no reason? My favorite!
safe canopy
just compare the overall stats smasher vs most t9 heavies and mediums smasher has more avg dmg etc. forgot this had a 0:45 timer lel
unique scaffold
Smasher has higher dpm than a tier IX heavy. It makes no sense
flat zephyr
Dpm isn't such an issue for me.
Comet and t23e3 have more dpm than half tier9 mediums
cunning vapor
What a joke. Buff my T49.
flat zephyr
The aim of smasher but of course, is super good
Or jg.pz.iv has more dpm than half of tier9 tds
Buff others don't nerf any
quick lichen
The smasher is a Japanese heavy in the body of a kv2. It’s dpm is ridiculously high if you pen all of your shots, but it’ll still splash for 300+ if not
flat zephyr
There won't be any OP tank if all of them are OP👌 🤔
quick lichen
This is exactly what myself and others keep saying repeatedly every time someone says “bring out Japanese heavies”
@unique scaffold change your name. You have 5 minutes
meager spruce
@quick lichen someone would like to speak to a moderator in #general-blitz-discussion
slim rivet
Sealsyyyy69
modern rapids
Sup
meager spruce
fail much?
jade cargoBOT
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modern rapids
Rude to mods yesterday 🤔
meager spruce
Oof, that warn tho
slim rivet
Sounds a bit extreme tho
unique scaffold
Agreed @modern rapids
meager spruce
Idk, i am staying out of this
jade cargoBOT
Peasant_Meadsy69 💩🐴#6155 was banned
modern rapids
14 days will do
slim rivet
Temporary ban suits better imo next time perma
unique scaffold
Yesterday a toon ORDERED me to change my nickname lol
Can we get back to talking about how stupidly broken the Smasher is.
meager spruce
@unique scaffold say "The emperor tells you to shut up"
modern rapids
Yeah.. it's broken
unique scaffold
@meager spruce that made my day 😂
slim rivet
Sometimes people order me not to play ransoms and focus on ranked lol @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@slim rivet And we are laughing for them, the best reaction possible :D anyway, Smasher was a joke from the moment it was launched, nerf that thing to the ground, it's like a 183 in Tier 7
jolly panther
How do you think a Kpz70 damage buff would affect gameplay? Making the gun a true 150mm with full damage?
unique scaffold
@jolly panther this would make it more balanced, it compensates the lack of DPM
jolly panther
You don't think it would be OP?
I mean I do have 1, and I like it quite a lot but I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of damage
unique scaffold
@jolly panther balanced, not OP, it's always a paper tank on the chassis, the only good point for ricocheting enemy bullets is the gun mantlet
flat zephyr
@unique scaffold kpf's dpm is only 11 less than E75
With a bit more alpha and more accurate gun, it seems balanced to me
unique scaffold
I understand the Kpfpz 70 gun is essentially a missile launcher or standard launcher for anti bunker HE, not anti tank, but cmon, the German 128 mm of many vehicles do often the same 530+ damage of Kpfpz 152 mm gun
jolly panther
That is true, also firing HE doesn't really pay off for the tank since the damage is only 80 more than AP, with the risk of hitting external modules or spaced armor which nullifies the use of HE
unique scaffold
Make all 152mm guns equal.
flat zephyr
Yeah it's HE is a bit disappointing
@unique scaffold then they must make all 100 and 105 mm guns same
twilit crystal
tbh for the kpf i would rather have a rebalance that buffs its mobility . It can then be a high alpha dmg med
unique scaffold
And give the T49 a AP round. I'm tired of fences ruining a perfectly good shot.
@flat zephyr that is fine as well.
jolly panther
I'm fine with the gun as it is now but I just don't look at it like it's a 152mm - in my mind it's more of a 130-ish mm gun
unique scaffold
@twilit crystal dunno, its mobility is the thing I appreciate the most actually, it just lacks DPM, the only consolation is the buff of aim time in this 5.9 update, which means less low rolls when firing
flat zephyr
Well having tier 7 and 8 meds with 100 mm gun and less damage is just as the 152 mm of kpf
twilit crystal
no its mobility is good for a heavy but doesnt really stand apart. Id rather make it like a high alpha t54. Trollish hull armor with a good turret and change the rof for good alpha
jolly panther
Sadly wg will probably never buff the damage to true 150mm standards
flat zephyr
Nope they won't
unique scaffold
Then its better they nerf the Smasher, make its gun on the same level, hybrid nation? Fine, give him an american 152 mm which does LESS damage than a standard 152 mm
jolly panther
The rof nerf/alpha buff would be nice - keep the dpm around the same numbers as it is now but make it do 640/960 with AP/HE with reload as slow as it needs to be to keep the dmp
flat zephyr
@unique scaffold the smasher needs a nerf no to its gun damage, but to accuracy and also armor profile of tank
jolly panther
I agree on the armor nerf, I bounce shots all day in mine
flat zephyr
You can't expect a higher tier kv2 with less alpha per shot
unique scaffold
Instead I can, since it's hybrid nation, many components from several tanks
twilit crystal
it needs a heat pen nerf to around 220 or 215 with a solid aim time nerf and slight ROF nerf
unique scaffold
That Smasher Kv2 has more armor than a regular one? Then a bit less performing gun is the least to give it
flat zephyr
@twilit crystal I would like to see it's armor nerfed rather than RoF
@unique scaffold smasher is higher in tier so nope they think not
twilit crystal
also the kv2 should have just been flat out removed(atleast the 152) or at the very least nerf it to t49 levels of alpha or give it limited turret traverse
flat zephyr
Kv2 is actually nerfed now that tier 6 tanks have better armor in 5.10
unique scaffold
Just move it to tier VIII and call it a day.
flat zephyr
That would be interesting too. @unique scaffold
Just give it 1500 hp and move to tier 8 I agree with that
twilit crystal
the fact is that every tank is now being balanced around one tank in tier six This is absurd and WG should just remove the kv2
unique scaffold
Ye t150 was more reliable
twilit crystal
again why cant WG just admit its a balance problem at tier six when they have to buff multiple tanks just around one tank that isnt even apremium tank. This is as absurd as the t7 heavy buffs coz of the dracula wihch was atleast a premium tank
flat zephyr
@twilit crystal the buff wasn't only cause of kv2. In tier6 most heavies didn't act well so they needed the buff anyway
grave quarry
I would like to have a word with the person who thought it would be a great idea to give Smasher Battle Coordinator
flat zephyr
😂😂
grave quarry
152mm gun with broken handling
Has already good reload for a KV-2 at 15s
Nah lets make that 9.5s when it's with allies, what could possibly be unbalanced?
median gust
That's just not right
unique scaffold
T23E3 needs buff
grave quarry
No it doesn't, it's already almost as good as Comet
quick basalt
unique scaffold
you may need to show me your wr on it to convice me cuz i dont know what im doing wrong @grave quarry
quick basalt
Every time im hitting the wall explain me this wg
grave quarry
Premium tanks shouldn't be better than their closest tech tree counterpart
unique scaffold
I didnt say it should be better since its premium. im saying the tank sucks
distant river
Premium tanks should be unique otherwise they will be better than their tech tree counterpart otherwise it wont sell
grave quarry
I take it you haven't played Hafen 😂
unique scaffold
whats wrong with hafen 🤔
median gust
unpopular
unique scaffold
o
grave quarry
It's unpopular because it's painful to play
It's really tall and has bad depression while being reliant on DPM
Armour is a little meh
Edelweiss is better in every way
unique scaffold
🛑
unique scaffold
I concur that the T23e3 could use a little love. The M10 also needs some affection.
unique scaffold
What your name
dusky oxide
I'd get the panther/m10/warcrime if it was a bit better.
midnight compass
E3 could need a bit better mobility and gun stabilizing. Just sayin' 🤷♂️
unique scaffold
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502017295107883008/558252971150934016/5.8_-_tier_10.png E3 OP
unique scaffold
Oh
harsh rover
I agree on the E3
unique scaffold
Looks like the E-50 is due for a Nerf.
clever void
for the love of god pls....soon as I see one on enemy med side i want to forfeit
quick lichen
I would argue that’s inflated
I bet there’s a lot of people replaying the e50m after it got buffed
unique scaffold
WZ-120-1G FT should be buffed
brisk lily
^^
cough yeah it should buff its armour
unique scaffold
Exactly. It should be unpennable from all sides, not just the front.
brisk lily
nah the front should only be buffed so it can absorb most prem shells
stoic light
lol
grave quarry
183s don't win battles
They just do disgusting amounts of damage and ruin battles for others
teal olive
@twilit crystal the only reason why they aren’t nerfing it is because it’s a WoT icon and fan favorite. This server would be inflated with noobs as soon as WG directly nerfed it.
grave quarry
And WG also didn't want it to be nerfed against tier 7 tanks
sonic cedar
Hey you forgot the fcm 50t
grave bear
please dont nerf e50m.... it has horrible mobility , super huge shape and its turret is totally paper vs 330 heat shells unless is hulldown
it's good as it is.
i mean, the difference between the best medium (e50m) and the worst (t62a) is by 200 avg dmg and 3% winrate. not enough for a nerf, counting also that these charts are not very accurate, because therr are 10000k players on a tank and 100 players in another. every small nerf to e50m will put it as the worst tier X med, since its just an all round med tank, excels in nothing but hull armor.
median gust
good joke
unique scaffold
I don't have an e50m, but I do fight them often. IMO the armor shouldn't be nerfed, as that's the largest redeeming quality of the tank. I also love the ramming power on it. Perhaps the gun could be nerfed if nerfing it is a must.
visual nimbus
Interesting
teal olive
Well the pen is bad, they just recently buffed it’s dpm which was absolutely atrocious beforehand, and its accuracy is good but Germans are supposed to have that (plus guns like the 62A are total lasers at tier ten)
Maybe it’s mobility?
fleet sorrel
E50m has the better mobility, better armor, and arguably better gun than the m48 which is also a hull down strong turreted medium
I think wg went overboard when they gave it 8 degrees over the front
And I’m surprised my beloved 62a is at the bottom
teal olive
The 62A is an incredible tank but the average random will struggle in it. It’s rather situational but can more than excel when a good player positions it correctly.
sullen vault
62a is just meh.The only redeeming factor it has is hulldown and the ability to pinpoint weakspots but other than that its just a weaker 140.I just find it so annoying to play because of the sluggish mobility and the 5gd.
nimble zodiac
@brisk lily erm.. that’s kinda the point of prem shells... and the buff would further kill off AP shells
brisk lily
It was a joke
nimble zodiac
K
winter eagle
Is it just me or does the German bulldog shoot tennis balls. It’s gun handling, airtime, and shell velocity just feel like you’re firing an old round shot cannon from a drag boat.
visual nimbus
Hmmm don’t think I’ve had that with the M 41 90mm
teal olive
I’ve heard certain clanmates complain about its gun handling a lot
twin egret
I just want FV215b to have it's view range and depression angles buffed
rancid flame
View range would be nice, but any more GD ang the gun would go through the model
twin egret
Also do you use Supercharge on your M41 90?
I mean, the Super Conquer has -10 with almost the same turret design, the only differences are the commanders cupola and the symmetry of the turret.
twin egret
oooo
that turret seems soo smooth not gonna lie, look at those edges, glorious well manufactured edges...
brisk lily
welcome to NA server issues
winter sluice
am on EU
brisk lily
oh
then welcome to NA server problems
that as well v
winter sluice
also i didn't mean to post that on balance channel
twilit crystal
the e50m is what I would call in a limbo state where it can be described as gamebreaking op but at is a bit overtuned
twin egret
i mean, it's easy to kill it if you plan and execute the plan perfectly
rancid flame
I really wouldn't call the E50M OP. 2nd lowest DPM of all the meds now that the AMX 30B is in the game, massive sides and lower plate. HEAT will go through the turret pretty easily.
If there is a tank that is game-breakingly OP at tier 10, its name would start with IS and end with 4
iron lynx
^^^
The IS-4 is one of the rare tech tree tanks that is blatantly OP.
fleet sorrel
@sullen vault 140 has a weak turret tho which is why I went for the T62a instead, plus it’s not that sluggish since it quickly gets to its top speed
twin egret
it has better traverse too
torn cliff
Buff M48 Patton
gilded pivot
Reasons?
torn cliff
Cause M60 has 1 extra gun dep.
gilded pivot
U think WG is gonna look at that and go "good idea M60 is op coz it has more GD"?
torn cliff
Lol who said M60 is op, M48 and M60 are pretty much same , it's just 1 extra gun dep.
gilded pivot
They are different tanks...
flat zephyr
@torn cliff m60 has better gun an GP but m48 has better armor. So they are almost even
cunning kindle
Idk if m48 deserves buff or not but it definitely wont get it anytime soon
It has second highest wr amongst mts iirc
unique scaffold
Helsing is OP
indigo knot
E50m is balanced and if you think its OP after going head on brawling with it and losing then you are doing it wrong.....the big profile sluggish acceleration and mobility make it more prone to take big guns damage though it stands out amongst meds but against HTs and Tds in E50m its difficult to circle and you can't face hug coz you will be penned in turret reliably even without gold ammo if someone is using cal shells
cunning kindle
E50M is op, but not like super op
I have 4.8k wn8 in it and i have never had that in any other tonk and i just yolo in it
r/shrug
indigo knot
The only tier 10 that needs tweaking is IS4 .....it is idiot proof tank .....it has better traverse, gun handling, armour and pen than Is7
cunning kindle
Shhhh
indigo knot
I agree that in pub games its easy to play E50m but in ratings where there are competent players its not that easy .....its the same with 263 where in pub games you can yolo coz they don't aim but in ratings you are dead if you yolo
solemn aurora
E50M is not as overpowered as the IS4. That tank needs to be fixed right now.
gaunt pelican
Привет геи
solemn aurora
The E50M does not define the Meta. The IS4 breaks it.
final socket
Qui est fr
thick rover
Why are people suddenly complaining about IS-4? Ran out of complaints for 183?
humble spear
Because the people've been complaining about both the IS-4 and the 183.
indigo knot
Is4 needs a little work to be done ......so that it can still be used in tournaments and not be impeccable machine it is now
lunar ruin
So time to grind for the IS-4? Okay.
fleet sorrel
How tf is e50m sluggish when the m48 is still slower than it
sullen vault
@fleet sorrel its not that weak if you know how to play it.also im sorry but the 62a is sluggish,and can be very well seen during a rotation compared to a 140 or an stb1
fleet sorrel
Wait when you mean weak what tank do u mean
sullen vault
140
fleet sorrel
I never said 140 is weak, I just said it’s turret is
sullen vault
Yes which i stated it really isnt
fleet sorrel
Ya but compared to the 62a u can easily spam heat into the 140
sullen vault
That is true and rn i cant think of any words since i woke up ahhh
fleet sorrel
Lol
unique scaffold
You shouldn't be relying on your turret in the 140.
62 feels like you are playing in syrup compared to the smoothness of the 140.
fleet sorrel
I guess so, but I prefer armor and gun that I can absolutely count on
In the end it still comes down to preference between the Russian mts
140 used to be the one everyone picks, now it’s really hard to say in terms of which one is better
unique scaffold
t26e4 is too op in mad games
humble spear
not when you're using something like the T-34-3
fleet sorrel
I want that tank so bad
humble spear
well you won't like it in standard battles
humble spear
I have all the chinese bootleg prem MTs and the T-34-3 is the one I perform the worst in and dislike the most
unique scaffold
Don't get me wrong they are both good tanks. It is just that the 62 is more of a niche tank while the 140 is more flexible.
The 140 cannot do what the 62 does better.
The 140 can do everything else better than the 62.
humble spear
My T-34-3 is rank 39 in asia with a 2.8k all time wn8 value.
fleet sorrel
That’s why I want it cos it’s good
Aimtime is to die for which is why I like 62a so much aswell
humble spear
reload will make you die
armour (except for the turret) will make you die
dispersion will kinda make you die
mobility ain't that good
the 175mm of pen doesn't help at all, but HEAT is just.... yeah
fleet sorrel
Give me ur t343 then I’ll cherish it
humble spear
I mean it makes decent credits, and I'm always broke
quick lichen
I can’t wait for the t-34-3 buff
fleet sorrel
Is ur name twitch_yaltank @humble spear
humble spear
no?
quick lichen
fleet sorrel
I thought u said u were rank 39 in t343 so I looked it up
humble spear
oh my bad, looks like the values from the page of my tank stats are different, my position's moved a bit
fleet sorrel
Oh ok, I wish wg will make a special offer just to my account to be able to get myself one in my dreams
still elk
@final socket moi
final socket
Ok
still elk
tu veut pelo /salle
final socket
?
still elk
tu joue pas a wot?
final socket
Si
still elk
tu veut con joue a 2
final socket
Comme tu veux
humble spear
English perhaps?
thick rover
Talking about the bulk of the people or the same could be said of every tank
median gust
<@&481447501690568709> English and off topic
jade cargoBOT
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meager spruce
bruh
unique scaffold
Lol
midnight vessel
One thing thats weak is stock Pz.IV D’s gun,
50~ damage every shot and the reload is around 5 seconds, the tank is tier 4 so it might need a buff
keen lily
Bruh
mortal granite
WZ Blaze would benefit from an overall buff
brisk lily
its been buffed recently though
high lantern
Hey
hardy heron
Wz113 could use a 2-4 degree turret rotation buff
indigo knot
Isn't that tank fine currently
clever void
It has traverse issues. But it’s a good tank
twilit crystal
yeah lol . Its has great straight line speed with a good upper plate/turret and great DPm with 370 dmg with HEAT
grave bear
wz113 needs a nerf... its only con is the traverse basically..
7.4 seconds, 370 alpha damage, 340 penetration
there is nothing even close to be that op.
unique scaffold
It’s actually 335
unique scaffold
Penetration 255/335/68
Damage 400/370/500
@thin shale no u
clever void
369 is max heat pene with CS
And it’s got other issues that balance it. Any tank can pene it by shooting down at the front plate. The lower plate is butter and huge. The hatches are bigger then any IS.
unique scaffold
Let's ignore the fact that only is with big hatch is is 1
Is 8 could do as well , but is 8 is made out of weak spots
undone latch
Pls strengthen su100 ammorack it is very weak need buff anyone can pe and ammorack
Even a t 5 too easy so unfair
twin egret
get good?
twin egret
it would be unrealistic, considering that SU-100y carries A naval gun, and the model would go through the tank
crystal spoke
And its already a pretty good td
arctic flare
yeah it is
gilded pivot
Well considering that the su100 has a 122mm
arctic flare
Do any of you play world of warships blitz?
humble spear
Like, very little
nimble zodiac
Better take the convo somewhere else tho 👀
unique scaffold
👺
unique scaffold
wot blitz
ripe prawn
Hello
unique sapphire
Hi
ripe prawn
Im playing in server Asia
unique sapphire
ru server )
Anyone else thinks T-67 was nerfed too hard and should get a mobility buff?
ripe prawn
T67? TD tier 5? @unique sapphire
unique sapphire
yep
ripe prawn
I think nah, T67 is standard
unique sapphire
Was one of my favorites until it got nerfed long ago
ripe prawn
T67 is an collector tank, right?
unique sapphire
It is
ripe prawn
I think WG must buff Centurion I
unique sapphire
Haven't played on it yet, researched it long tine ago but just didn't buy it (went for the Bat-chat)
ripe prawn
The traverse speed, i need Cromwell speed on it
humble spear
Why would the cent 1 need a buff? It's pretty good where it stands as of now
unique scaffold
@humble spear slow, huge and bad armour profile
ripe prawn
No
humble spear
The centurion sacrifices speed for some relatively tough turret armour, and it has really good gun handling + dpm + pen for a T8 med. The few things that it has going against it is the poor armour profile for the hull and its big size. It's slow, but not as slow as a rock for sure
ripe prawn
Good turret armor, but slow. Play it with hulldown technic
Cent 1 never did 300 damage. T342 could do more, so not pretty good DPM
humble spear
hulldown tactics also won't work majority of the time due to the forehead being only 51mm thick and the not-so-strong turret cheeks at 165mm (although small, but can be hit)
ripe prawn
I always win if using hulldown technic, and even Rhm B. Wt cannot penet the turret
humble spear
It'll work at mid range, but not so much at close range. Also the centurion 1 has a dpm of 2334, which is pretty good for a T8 MT
ripe prawn
Cent 1 lose from Premium MT in tier 8 like CDC, T54 mod. 1, T26E4 if brawling
Cent 1 lose from Premium MT in tier 8 like CDC, T54 mod. 1, T26E4 if brawling
humble spear
those are prem tanks, and the CDC is made of paper, with sides that can be penetrated by HE
the E4 is mainly just a noobstomper and takes advantage of those that don't know where to shoot it
ripe prawn
I always did little damage when shooting CDC with HE
humble spear
when shooting its side, make sure your shots don't hit the tracks but instead into the gray area. The front is at a slight angle, so low pen HE rounds like the centurion 1's 20 pdr has won't go through it. When a CDC is engaging your teammate the easiest place to shoot is the gigantic turret which is similar to the side, made of cardboard
cunning kindle
outstanding move
thick rover
yep
humble spear
Nice masstag that didn't really work out but of course people do
deft owl
Lol cent 1 needs buff. It has one of the worst overall winrates in tier 8.
tidal inlet
ripe prawn
GG 😉
humble spear
Wrong channel for this
ripe prawn
oof.. sorry
unique scaffold
@ripe prawn if you were really sorry you'd make it right by deleting it.
ripe prawn
I cant, it keep opening the site
warm moss
Nerf Hp
im in a cent I(Mk.III) and have less fix it cause this is bs, and I have my cent maxed out
quick lichen
But you don’t have the hp equipment
median gust
ye
quick lichen
And they do
And they’re a heavy tank
Which have more health
This is standard stuff I think
winter eagle
While we’re talking about standard stuff. I think the German bulldog’s gun underperforms.
Don’t get me wrong dpm is great but it’s the gun handling. I’ve tried every set up and the things aim time seems to lie. The on the move dispersion might be the reason
median gust
imo it's pretty good the faster you go the more dispersion consider passive spotting
sinful flame
hey guys, is the server down or something?
Oh wait nevermind. I accidentally had on my vpn. Yikes
plain jetty
@sinful flame did you just flex your VPN in the balance discussion of wotb? That's the hardest flex I've ever seen
lethal saddle
Absolute mad lad
meager spruce
r/madlads
brisk lily
r/vpnflex
empty ice
r/usingvpntowatchpor*
clever mauve
Lol
deft owl
Can we buff the tortoise please? The tank is seriously lackluster and worst tier 9 i have ever played.
sterile hollow
I recently went on a super annoying experience of TONS of games where I got crushed by KV-2 (I played both Nashhorn and Mt-25).
median gust
@deft owl I agree
plain jetty
The kv3 should get a fire rate increase its dpm is absolutely atrocious
indigo knot
Its has armour ....for dpm go for 100mm
deft owl
@plain jetty Kv-3 has the same dpm with Is. If you want more dpm use 100mm gun.
thin condor
Wargaming nerfs KV-2 Su100y drivers laugh
worthy jasper
How P2W is WoT? Can you guys use premium currency to buy everything?
median gust
WoT or WoTB
thin condor
Both are
crystal spoke
You can also f2p most tanks
charred garnet
Tortoise doesn't need buff. Its op as it is
distant river
Tortoise isnt op and it isnt in need of a buff, its balanced as it is
sour pine
👀
thick rover
😂
deft owl
@charred garnet Tortoise has the worst overall winrates in tier 9 tds.
low talon
can someone tell me y wg give a HESH gun to A20 in 5.10？
unique scaffold
Idk
low talon
sorry cant say that is a HESH gun but it notice the 76 mm L-11 mod. 1941 gun will have 95mm pen HE in 5.10
median gust
I thought so too.
dawn compass
Wargaming why u dont add 1 mln credits and 1k gold when player start play he cant buy tanks and must buy premium tank this is usseles please repair this to better start with game
This s usseles because u must pay to win and u must spend money in this game
tulip isle
Nope
spring pelican
did you reroll?
crystal spoke
If blitz is purely p2w where do you buy map awareness, knowing how to hull down, angle, side scrape and other necessary skills to do good?
iron lynx
What do you mean by 'u can't buy tanks'
There are free tier 1 tanks, and the higher tiers can be unlocked quite fast if you had actually played the game.
distant river
The only thing you might struggle with is credits which can easily be worked around
median gust
For mobile, watch ads. They give you 50 gold a day, and around 18 000 a year
dawn compass
@iron lynx u cant bought tank high tier 4 tier 5 tier because u start game with 5k credits xD i think
iron lynx
So? It's not that the game throws you into a tier 5 battle in a tier 1 tank.
Also you can earn credits fairly fast in low tier tanks.
crystal spoke
That's why you play the game more so you can earn more credits
humble spear
@unique scaffold Wrong place for this
lapis shadow
^
sour fox
Any t49 nerf some heat pen
Or its only me -_-
Any t49 nerf some heat pen
Or its only me -_-
humble spear
? eh
sour fox
Only me thinking it need more heat pen ?
humble spear
idk I just have a really biased opinion of that tank, more hate than anything because of how annoying it is
crystal spoke
Considering its mobility and already high dmg and decent enough pen considering its a light I'd say it's pen is fine now( I might be a bit biased since I'm grinding for it currently)
humble spear
I'd love to ask for it to be nerfed because of how annoying it is, but I think a nerf would make it really bad and unusable. (Most of the time when I get a 152mm HE shell up my rear it's my fault anyways)
sour fox
I am ok but the 152mm heat like need a bit more because you can be stuck sometimes infront of your enemy and good luck pening his front
And the aim time is so long and the tank is so fast it rng luck
humble spear
you're a light tank. You're not meant to pen people frontally. If you're stuck in front of him, tough luck mate that's your own problem, not the tank's. Find out where you made a mistake and learn from it so as to prevent it from re-occurring.
crystal spoke
Your a light you shouldn't be able to pen the front of most tanks
Lol I swear I was already typing that
sour fox
I dont want to pen all tank like yeah heavy that i am cool that i cant pen them but when you can bounce on a medium tank or completely miss a shot with full aim
mortal granite
Did you try using the equipment to reduce the reticle
sour fox
Yep
Or it is my luck with it idk
But bouncing on a is5 rear twice like there something wrong
mortal granite
Rng in a nutshell
mortal granite
Its supposed to it's a squishy light tank
sour fox
Yh make sense now
crystal spoke
I cant speak about its accuracy since I dont have it yet but stat wise its pen is pretty contemporary as it's only about 15mm lower
sour fox
@crystal spoke okie we might retalk about it when u get it
crystal spoke
Yet I can compare stats with other 152mm guns
mortal granite
One tank that I would say that would benefit from some bluffs would be the WZ Blaze.
sour fox
Didn't that already make difference to it?
mortal granite
Yeah but it's still not good with 2095 dpm maxed out and mobility needs a tweak pen is lower than average dispersion is high catches on fire like crazy. Need I say more it's a nice looking tank just underperforms
crystal spoke
The blAze is pretty balanced now after its buff and the t49's gun handling is close to the same as othe 152mm guns
sour fox
What t49 max is 72 like bulldog
mortal granite
No it's max is 50 km
crystal spoke
Your shooting on the move ofc your going to miss alot
mortal granite
Not the speed I'm referring to the power to weight it takes a while for it to get going
sour fox
@crystal spoke yh but i dont shoot shoot on the move all the time
mortal granite
Also when did the blaze get a buff was it long ago or pretty recent?
sour fox
I @mortal granitethis update -_- or last 1 before the amx came
crystal spoke
If you want accuracy dont shoot while on the move almost all tanks are inaccurate and about 2 or 3 updates ago
mortal granite
Oh. well I better go see what's fixed then
crystal spoke
Accuracy and mobility are the main things
sour fox
@crystal spoke yh but ur not moving most of the time taking cover peaking shooting hiding again like the hill on mines
I will leave i have stuff to do .-.
crystal spoke
Wait why arnt you flanking on mines? And yeah most high calibre guns are like that and see ya
nimble zodiac
Before which amx came
crystal spoke
30B
twilit crystal
anyone reading this and still believes that hte kv2 shouldnt be nerfed is absurd. We are literally balancing a whole tier around one stupidly absurd tank.
sour fox
@crystal spoke on mines if you get control of the hill u basically won because it can hit most of the flanking side like the small city
crystal spoke
That's why you let your heavies take it that can block dmg and distract the enemy
sour fox
@crystal spoke havies take time to get there that why on high tier u see medium tank rush it so they can control it and heavy hold the flanks
@crystal spoke like maus or e100 maybe is4 and is7 etc there kinda slow especially on hills
crystal spoke
High teir I almost always see the lights run up there and get slaughtered by the enemies heavies and tds
sour fox
@crystal spoke on my high tier i always see my meds win the hill it depends on ur team really
Like the hill on canyon i guess it that map name where the flag B is on a hill u see medium tank rushing there and some heavys and td Because it is a perfect spoting place
crystal spoke
Yeah it's just more often then not that I see them get rekt because meds and lights cant reliably pent heavies armour (also I gtg)
iron lynx
Ya know, I always pre-aim there in my Grille and usually can get a shot off some pesky tank's turret.
sour fox
@iron lynx on mine hill?
( Okie )
iron lynx
Canyon
They usually poke their head out the most during their first spotting attempt, and that's probably the only chance at hitting them that early into the game.
nimble zodiac
What will togs frontal armor be after the update?
sour fox
@iron lynx true
Idk chickenMan
humble spear
86mm was it?
nimble zodiac
Hm, guess I gotta keep sidescraping
mortal granite
-_- disappointed with update 5.9 for the blaze 50 more hp 20 reversing and aim time reduced from 5.3 to 3.2. Is it me or shouldn't this have been the default from day 1 and it's still got bad rpm compared to all the other TDs
humble spear
It has a 122mm gun with good mobility and a turret, and amazing aim time
mortal granite
DPM autocorrect being dumb to me
I'm not bothered by the 40 degree traversing turret just that the dpm is lack luster
humble spear
If that tank had a good DPM it'd be a bit too good
mortal granite
Looks at helsing
proven widget
Helsing is an insane abomination of tank that shouldn’t have been implemented, you need to re-evaluate how you assess tanks for being balanced if that’s your go to tank to compare it to
And on the topic of buffing the t49 heat pen, I disagree, that tank is already incredibly strong, and adding heat pen to it would make it blatantly op, the tank has plenty of pen as is to mince nearly every medium and light it faces regardless of being to the front, side, or rear. Also, it can easily deal with the majority of heavies to the side and rear, this couple with a very good camo rating, as it is a light, and amazing maneuvering for a 152mm carrying tank makes it a top tier tank already in terms of combat efficiency
mortal granite
SU 152 has 3352 rpm with the same gun "change my mind" sorry ment the su 152 didn't know what I was going to go with the helsing just first thing that popped into my head.
iron lynx
I would not actually say the T49 is incredibly strong.
white vessel
Stupid maybe, but bad
mortal granite
T49 is good for what it does
humble spear
shooting light tanks in the rear
mortal granite
Not really a light tanks main focus but it happens
white vessel
That doesnt make a tank good
iron lynx
The tank isn't bad. Just more…specialized than other lights.
proven widget
Yes, the su152 has great dpm, however, it lacks a lot of the versatility of the blaze, i.e the turret, the maneuvering, along with its reversing. Also, it’s a premium tank which should be on par, or slightly below the competitors at its tier, which I 100% believe the blaze is on par with every turreted td at its tier not to mention its unique, as it’s the only 122mm carrying turreted td at its tier, that I can recall, along with having an amazing aim time and decent gun depression
white vessel
Totally helsing level
mortal granite
Not close to helsing but eh
Not even asking for a bunch of dpm just shave off .75-1 second on reload
Just want it to be at least naturally at 2000
iron lynx
Kill the loader at the start of every match.
Done.
mortal granite
Cuz I'm tired of people bashing it and making fun of it for being the worst premium TD it's not bad and frankly I like the tank it's why I bought it and it does its job well but when your consistently being called out for playing a Blaze in ranked matches gets tiresome.
fallow elk
Are the new balance damage/win rate charts posted anywhere?
fallow elk
Okay thank you iraikkonen
quick lichen
Blitzhangar has the tank updates
fallow elk
Oh haven’t seen that before - thank you
tame wharf
its good that ppl call the blaze a bad tank, so that means you can own them later on
which means, the more you can kill em cuz they underestimate the powar of the blaze
gloomy dragon
It's an ambush medium. If you're getting regularly shot at, you're not doing your job right.
unique scaffold
Relying on any medium tanks armor is generally a mistake.
spring pelican
mod 1
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold they all work pretty much the same, the meds have mediocre mobility and the t57 just sacrifices some of that mobility for a better gun. All of the tanks in that line have mediocre armor so you should be playing them all the same
unique scaffold
I love my T69 🤔 maybe its just me 🤣
jagged folio
Is the KV-1 overpowered?
Asking for a friend
novel glade
@unique scaffold Its not just you😉
unique scaffold
XD
jagged folio
It's only lvl 5 TBF but damn
jade cargoBOT
Khan#0955 has been warned.
jagged folio
Sorry, didn't realise that was a bad one
civic oar
Rly
slim rivet
It can goes up to 1 hour in platinium league ^^
white vessel
Dont play t7maybe?
distant river
Why does anyone play tier 7 (apart from a couple of slightly overperforming prems) in rating?
white vessel
For the ugly camo i suppose
meager spruce
@slim rivet hah, sometimes it goes to 2 and a half. But it was very very early in the morning, 4am or so
@civic oar better watch out.
civic oar
@meager spruce by happy
meager spruce
@crystal spoke he will give you the f bomb probably
crystal spoke
Probably but that doesnt make it ok
modern rapids
Thanks
jade cargoBOT
BogdanM4#1478 was muted
meager spruce
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bleak oracle
Someone can explain me that
unique scaffold
@bleak oracle. Mastery bar is always changing. You have to be better than 99% of the games over the past 7 days. One good game can move the needle.
distant river
^this and also its done off base xp
bleak oracle
I kn meckanizm of M bar And I would like someone to fix crazy sh..t coz blitz does not have so much player And this leads to the fact that in one week given vehicle will be played 100 in another 1000 battles which causes that sometimes does not get M because some one player just this week he made a score of 10/20 points better
distant river
Now try again but using your hands and fingers instead of your toes to type
unique scaffold
The mastery bar is set at the top 1% in base combat experience for the last 7 days prior to the day you’ve played. So to get a mastery, you’d have to beat the 99% of the population that has played the tank in base combat experience to master the tank.
bleak oracle
@distant river what?
distant river
@bleak oracle it was a joke about your typos
bleak oracle
@unique scaffold I kn it
But I think better option is than time is a number probably 1000 or something like that
unique scaffold
@bleak oracle ok I just looked at your image. I believe you completed a mission with experience, which changed the amount of total experience as shown in the rectangle. But also note that you’ve played the game with the mastery a day after. So perhaps the amount of base combat experience required for a mastery has lowered for that day.
Only base XP is counted in masteries.
A set amount of XP required for a mastery shouldn’t be 1,000. That’s too low for most players as people can easily achieve 1,500 after a period of battles for an average player.
@unique scaffold yes, I was clearing the experience required by making him acknowledge that his missions may have tipped his total XP off making him think he deserved a mastery.
bleak oracle
@unique scaffold no 1000 ex
unique scaffold
@bleak oracle. That is how percentages work. I think the current system is fine. If you want a Happy Meal you have to be better than 99% of the players who have played that tank over the past 7 days 🤷♂️
bleak oracle
I mean last 1000 baatle on tank
unique scaffold
Also this discussion should be moved to #general-blitz-discussion discussion. It does not pertain to balance.
@bleak oracle 1,000 battles for a mastery? What?
crystal spoke
@regal abyss no name and shaming
unique scaffold
@regal abyss.
A. That is naming and shaming.
B. It has nothing to do with #tank-balance-discussion
Delete it please.
bleak oracle
@unique scaffold no no no
U don't understand what I mean
regal abyss
@crystal spoke no this guy was being rude @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
That wouldn’t belong here
@regal abyss. I don't care. It doesn't belong here. Submit a ticket and move on.
crystal spoke
@regal abyss that doesnt matter it's still naming and shaming which is still against the rules
unique scaffold
I'm asking nicely. I can also ask a mod to remove it for you if you'd like.
regal abyss
@crystal spoke @unique scaffold no one cares fine I'll delete it but it's not stat shaming hes being rude and the military honor needs balancing
bleak oracle
Now u 4 M u must beat a 99% gamer Iast 7 days
I think better than 7 day is must to beat 99% of last 1000 battles on this tank
unique scaffold
Delete it and submit a ticket to WG. This isn't the place.
unique scaffold
You: Now for mastery you must beat 99% of the players in the last 7 days.
I think it’s better to have you beat 99% of the last 1,000 battles on Jagdpanther II.
Masteries are supposed to be rare though
Bingo. The current system is good.
Move on to a topic related to #tank-balance-discussion please.
^
bleak oracle
@unique scaffold yes if u play on jp2 last 1000 baatle on jp2
On is last 1000 batlle on is
unique scaffold
Remove deathstar, t22, badger and the game is balanced
@bleak oracle
#general-blitz-discussion
Also buff Is-2 and all of the Chinese meds
Yeah remove the Death Star
regal abyss
@unique scaffold @unique scaffold learn to spot tds and don't go into their line fire
bleak oracle
@unique scaffold it's a balance
balance in achieving achievement
unique scaffold
@regal abyss What happens when your team gets one-shotted by them though, or if your teammate is a deathstar and isn't doing anything but camping?
@regal abyss doesn’t make sense. One shot from FV is pretty much 2/3 of your hp combined with 310 AP penetration. So it’s highly likely your done for. Once you get shot I mean.
and imagine being a leo and getting shot by deathstar lol
regal abyss
@unique scaffold @unique scaffold exactly what I said dont broadside
unique scaffold
Ok play 140, I’d like to see you dodge a 183 mm shell without taking damage. And you lose 1/2 of ur hp. Were you ever on the other side of the barrel?
unique scaffold
Yes but deathstar doesn't take skill, you can literally sit at spawn all match, get tons of damage, and never help the team
^
I’m pretty sure tank destroyers were actually tank one shot destroyer, the game would be unfair against some tanks. Which is exactly my point with 183. It destroys tanks too easily without much trying or skill.
regal abyss
Once again as I said @ᴵˣᵛᶻᵏ𓋹 @unKN1GHT3d learn to spot tds and don't go into their line fire
crystal spoke
I hate the 183 not bc I ever die from it but bc I've always gotten pushed out of the way by them bc I'm not worth a shell...
unique scaffold
Out of all tanks, why would you want to spot TDs. Since you don’t spot them you can’t avoid getting hit every time guaranteed. In that case 183 just needs one chance to unexpectedly hit you and you’re done. Okay now image getting ammoracked for half of your hp, that’s 183 right there.
@regal abyss I never die to them, I hate them being on my team and being useless while still getting damage. Also, if you're a heavy, they can just he spam you
regal abyss
@unique scaffold listen to what you just said "why spot tds" I dunno so u can see them and shoot them
unique scaffold
So you’re telling me to go through all the other tanks on the enemy team to specifically spot a 183 and make sure he’s not pointing his gun at me. Do I look like I’m stupid? You’re telling me to go through the entire enemy tank without taking any hits to find a single tank? No matter what your skill level is, you’re going to get nuked by a 183 at one point in your career. By a not so skillful play from a 183. Which shouldn’t even exist.
Just nerf pen on ap and hesh on it
regal abyss
Stay out of the open if ur slow if ur fast sta @unique scaffold @unique scaffold it's been nerfed
unique scaffold
So it would be like kv 2
183 takes as much skill to play as a smasher
“Stay out of the open” that’s a vague term considering 183 could be anywhere.
regal abyss
Use your head and place yourself in their position where would you go then avoid the line of fire from until @unique scaffold no kv2 has a turret and smasher is way better than a 183
unique scaffold
I like the idea of staying away from open on maps like dead rail . Removing hesh from 183 would suit me just fine as well
I’m just waiting for you to give a comeback as to why it’s fair for a player to deal 930 in a shot and delete half of someone’s hit points without aiming or much positioning if at all.
183 should have its gun replaced with Maus gun, problem solved
low cliff
yes obviously
unique scaffold
Oh ye cuz 183 does not have turret
regal abyss
@unique scaffold the armour aim @low cliff @unique scaffold no cuz then they would need to buff its armour then it would be pretty jg e100
low cliff
i was being sarcastic but ok then
unique scaffold
or WG could remove it's mobility to the point where it can't even move. There wouldn't be much of a difference, since 183 players always camp at spawn
@regal abyss no cuz it's TD , it got pretty good camo, and it's supposed to snipe
Yeah you don’t need much aiming considering you’ve got 310 penetration which can upscale to 326 with calibrated
low cliff
i mean 183s have pretty bad dispersion and no stalin guided shots so... eh
regal abyss
@unique scaffold no cuz its camo got nerfed and its aim u shoot from a Bush at someone who is @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Yeah the moment the 183 hits you from long range, you’d change your mind.
Yeah, remove the tracks and wheels from deathstar, and give it good camo. No difference at all
183 and stagnant unmoving DERP guns in general are bad for the game. They create a stagnant environment where less skilled players are afraid to leave spawn.
low cliff
yes its actually an atlantic wall bunker
regal abyss
I'm bounced 183 in my is7 and face hug the bugger all the time
low cliff
i bounced 183 shots in my 50m lmao
low cliff
PC T49A flashbacks
unique scaffold
You’ve bounced a 183 in a face hug with a IS-7’s turret? Ok now consider all the other tanks. And first of all you shouldn’t even be face hugging the 183 if the player is doing the right thing. Secondly that 183 could only be in a face hug with a IS-7 if he’s alone and most likely in spawn. Considering that, that 183 most likely nuked someone else before he met you. And he could’ve use HE and removed 600 damage from a HESH splash.
regal abyss
@unique scaffold 300dmg
unique scaffold
There’s no way it’s 300 damage from a splash near the turret bottom. The IS-7’s deck armor is only 30 mm.
@regal abyss try to do this in e 100 , or Maus , or even e5 cuz they got normal weak spots...
low cliff
i mean i get your point but if we're talking camping railguns whats the difference between a 183 and a jageru
unique scaffold
Jageroo doesn't do as much damage, it's more balanced
regal abyss
@unique scaffold it has armour
unique scaffold
And jageru shouldn't camp lol
low cliff
but they still do because players is 800 damage really that much better compared to 930 damage
unique scaffold
I only see jageroo camp in Normandy and Deal rail, otherwise I enjoy having it on both teams
regal abyss
183 doesn't
unique scaffold
And jageru don't have broken hesh rounds...
But deathstars don't only do 930 damage, it can do 1300 damage
low cliff
its mainly 900-1000 ish but yeah high rolls exist
regal abyss
@unique scaffold @unique scaffold it's a glass cannon the jageru is a mobile bunker
unique scaffold
@low cliff hesh is main ammo on 183 Tbh
regal abyss
No ap hash is opportunistic
unique scaffold
HESH is to deathstar like HE is to KV2
low cliff
nahhh really idk i primarily drive the E50m and i barely get hit with hesh
regal abyss
@unique scaffold no ca hash cant pen a maus or most heavies frontally
unique scaffold
Not the point... I can hesh anything that's not a superheavy
@regal abyss HE can't as well , but spaming HE in e 100 against Maus is always doing 400-500 dmg
deft owl
Im the only one think deathstar is garbage after the nerf? Now it has no armor, no camo rating, Meh mobility and trash accuracy. Only good thing about the tank is alpha damage and hesh rounds.
unique scaffold
^ yes it's garbage, but it can still do crazy amounts of damage even in two shots
regal abyss
@deft owl no ur not but these peeps wanna remove it
unique scaffold
@regal abyss exactly , and Tbh I want just to get balanced badger in its place, and high dmg fv4005
elfin marlin
its camo rating has been nerfed to far down
deft owl
@elfin marlin Camo rating on this thing now like the grille 15.I see people spotted across the map in Deathstar.
unique scaffold
In two shots, you can go over 2000 damage. it was made for easy gaemplay and it's ineffective for the team its on
regal abyss
@unique scaffold @unique scaffold no need to remove a tank that people like
elfin marlin
grill has better camo than 183
unique scaffold
It should
@deft owl then I wish to met you in game , cuz camping 183 platoons are just toxic . @regal abyss ppl also like hellsing , but every single person agree that it is broken
regal abyss
@elfin marlin reason it has only speed and camo to protect its paper armour
unique scaffold
Camping 183 platoons make me rage
elfin marlin
nope, it should be equal. it is a td and it depends on it. it has a semi turret, no armor, poor traverse and speed
regal abyss
@unique scaffold yes I own both and btw I nuke fools in the 183 they are a joke to me in my t22 or amx 30 b
deft owl
@unique scaffold Camping 183s that doesnt move out from the spawn were always toxic.
The thing Deathstar is literally only good at camping. So i dont blame them for camping.
unique scaffold
@modest prairie I'm sure I could nuke your amx in my deathstar, and make you rage
thorn night
KV-1 Is Very Nice
elfin marlin
poor players camp in a 183 good players snipe
regal abyss
Not rlly @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@regal abyss pay2win XD
thorn night
But KV-1 Has More Armor Then A Tiger Tank At Tier V
deft owl
183 cant snipe with 0.4 accuracy.
elfin marlin
good players can
regal abyss
@unique scaffold no offense here but only fools say that. And I know how to fight against tds cuz I MAINLY play tank destroyers
unique scaffold
@deft owl then give it real paper armor like grille , so we could HE it into abyss , that would be fine for me as well
regal abyss
@unique scaffold buff its camo and I'll agree to that
unique scaffold
As a Deathstar player, I find sniping very easy and feel guilty one-shotting meds and farming heavies. It doesn't take skill
deft owl
@unique scaffold You want it to nerf even more? Deathstar is already trash.
unique scaffold
@regal abyss you mean pay 2win? You know what does it mean? XD
elfin marlin
i want an camo buff on the 183
regal abyss
Yes its rude dont make me @ mods for you disrespect towards players who support the game@unique scaffold
@elfin marlin agreed
elfin marlin
... and a bit more armor
unique scaffold
and a stronger gun with more accuracy
@regal abyss dude ,I buy prems too but there is difference between is 2 and lupus , and if you think that pay2win is something rude to say , then you should check what does it mean lol
elfin marlin
no we cant have it all but i like a naval gun on it 😃
regal abyss
Its saying I'm throwing money to increase my wr
unique scaffold
The first msg was actually joke cuz I want amx30 b too, but let's be honest some t10 prems are too good
And I was trying to change the subject of conversation , so who also thinks t 20 should get buffed
regal abyss
No 121 is BALANCED amx 30 is a joke to call a tank t22 is just a big obj 140
But ok it's a joke
unique scaffold
Idk if 121 is good or not , it's hard to meet it in battles , amx 30 is just Leo 1 with turret armor , and t22 seems to have pretty broken frontal armor , at least for med
unique scaffold
121 is decent, the high alpha gun can be fun from what I've seen. I don't think the grind is worth it though
warm moss
I heard 183 and hesh >_>
pine tinsel
did rng get fixed
wet wharf
KV2 has the worst accuracy ever. That is the current trade off for its massive damage potential. It is slow and has somewhat trollish armor. Therefore, no need for nerf. (Unlike its cousin at Tier 7)
arctic flare
lol yeah
twilit crystal
@gilded pivot just remove the 152 or dont give it a fully rotating turret
gilded pivot
U can't hit the side of a house with it... And it takes 2 years to reload... And has no armour how is that unbalanced?
twilit crystal
coz its more accurate than one thinks and the reload isnt that bad with the dpm it gets. Be serious you just want to keep a broken tank which should have been removed in 5.5
gilded pivot
Well if WG removes it they are going to lose players and they know that
I think that giving it a non full rotating turret isn't a bad idea
arctic flare
yeah
unique scaffold
I gave a normal battle and this happened to the 3VS3 yak's chance this would happen😂
sonic summit
rip my acc
low loom
183 is a scum tank and the only solution imo is to remove it.
gilded pivot
...WG won't do that... They are too brainy to do that
unique scaffold
What is tje best tank?
gilded pivot
Depends on your play style and u should probably ask in #general-blitz-discussion @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Oh sry i am new here at the discord server
slow tiger
I have the 183... and I can tell you: apart from the damage, hesh pen, the tank feels underpowered to play.
quick lichen
Good
slow tiger
so yea, as long as you avoid the shell, it's literally a sitting duck
fathom gulch
quasi hare
buff e25 :v
clever void
So. I’d trade my 183 for a t22 🤔
proven linden
can we use mod again?....need to changes sounds,its sucks..i like biltz modders sound mod..real cannons sounds so good when play..
grave pier
Everybody hate r-2-k beacause z1rd.
Gg looser.......
quick lichen
@grave pier I like zird
grave pier
@quick lichen
Not now
quick lichen
@proven linden you can use mods that are visual and sound based. Nothing performance
@grave pier what are you on about? I know him in person
I’m pretty sure I’m friends with him lol
grave pier
Some good guys from ez- are ban beacause of him
quick lichen
Some good guys who were caught account sharing in the spring season 😂
grave pier
I cant respect him
quick lichen
I’m glad they’re banned until after twister
Rules are there for a reason
And I doubt he cares if you respect him
He did the right thing. It’s sad you don’t see that
grave pier
@quick lichen
Not me, everybody
And i dont care a bout you too dont wory ;)
quick lichen
That’s completely ungrounded
There’s photo evidence of ez cheating via account sharing
That’s unacceptable
At any level
grave pier
Cheating
Lol
XD
flat zephyr
IDK Peter much but I haven't seen him do something that make me dislike him, except they used 30B in tournament last year while it was in the test
quick lichen
Account sharing is 100% cheating lol
visual nimbus
Justice has been served my dudes.
quick lichen
Preach
deft owl
How account sharing can be cheating?
meager spruce
@deft owl it is in against EULA rules. Just like selling and buying accounts
deft owl
Account sharing is not against the eula. Only selling against it.
meager spruce
Better read again what you agreed to.
deft owl
You better read it. Account sharing never been against the eula.
Account sharing is discouraged not illegal. You can share your account whoever you want. However you are the one responsible what happens to your account.
visual nimbus
But it’s a big no no during tournaments hence why it’s cheating
dull saddle
Yeah if you read the tournament rules it’s clearly stated that it’s prohibited
deft owl
Rigging tournaments is another thing. You still wont get banned because of account sharing.
dull saddle
Furthermore @grave pier your respect isn’t something that interests me, reporting them is the ethical correct decision, I’m just sad that you can’t see that for yourself
quick lichen
@deft owl apparently, you’re wrong
grave pier
@dull saddle
Dont talk about ethic
You lost that right
dull saddle
Glad that you’re telling me that because I wasn’t aware of it
Anyways I think you’re in the wrong chat, pal #tank-balance-discussion
worthy basin
@grave pier just to point out this obvious tidbit.. I hope you don't think wg believed Zird on his baby blues and don't do any research by themselves. They've always made it very clear that they don't do anything until they're 100% certain
deft owl
For the people who still thinks account sharing is illegal.
worthy basin
I'll see your EULA and raise you the specific rules for the Professionals Tournament
Case in point: nr 8
deft owl
@worthy basin Abusing stuff with shared account is obviously bannable. Account sharing itself is not illegal.
grave bear
it:s still not enough
worthy basin
@deft owl yup
I'm sorry for those now in trouble, especially the members of the team that -didn't- do anything wrong but still lose their prize fund, but I'm glad wg has taken a stand and taken action.
Hopefully it'll keep people from doing this in future tournaments
And hopefully it gives wg an incentive to check these things in big tournaments by default
The punishment might have had to be more severe to deter people doing it in the future though
bold folio
Hey
grave bear
hey
regal abyss
Regular encounter no training room
I got kicked out of a match ?
Randomly u can tell it's real 5v5 cuz of the boosters
void pewter
come back later cuz it's fked
unique scaffold
@void pewter. Language
void pewter
f****d
clever mauve
Why hasn’t the update downtime on the sever started yet
Thanks captain America @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@void pewter. How about using a word you don't have to censor.
void pewter
Fricked
soft bridge
Wargaming what is dis???
Test Bundle lol
lemme need 4 parts of certificate for 100 gold
frozen kraken
Why is wargaming taking so long to update World of Tanks Blitz
unique scaffold
These questions have no answers, just let it happen
flat zephyr
@frozen kraken taking so long isn't a matter, the things that change don't seem to take that much time. If the updates had big changes, I wouldn't mind late updates
frozen kraken
I plan on it in a server of wargaming I'm World of Tanks Blitz I just want to know why it's taking so long someone to see the new update
clever mauve
Ya
lost zealot
@everyone What are the gold test boxes for?
dim field
- you can't @ everyone
- Just to test to make sure they work.
slate fjord
Please buff the traverse on the Luchs
tropic sorrel
can we bring back the 3v3s
indigo knot
Its a joke that tank with no armour has less camo rating than the tank with armour front more than that of Maus.... seriously.....I have level 7 of skill in camo ratings and 100% crew in both
gilded pivot
E4 is shorter than a grille right? Well there's the answer
indigo knot
Pre nerf 183 was big tank and had great camo rating ...
stoic light
Now it has the worst camo 😭
unique scaffold
Good
stoic light
Lol
twilit crystal
whats the best tier 7 tech tree premium?
indigo knot
Su12244 I think
stoic light
^ or m6
unique scaffold
Isn't Rudy tech tree tank?
prime viper
we should give the T82 its 105 back that was the only good thing it had and it was the only tank that could stop a kini otsu (i cant spell it) before kini rekt everyone
(i know this will never happen but i can hope)
west zealot
"Balance"
lost zealot
@dim field well why would I give them 50 gold for 1 coin then?
gilded pivot
Oh yeah
dim field
@lost zealot
You get the gold back.
Spend 50 gold, you get 50 gold plus 1 credit. You don't lose any gold. It's just a test thing they did.
clever mauve
^
visual nimbus
^
^
exotic pelican
twin egret
buff Luchs Traverse Speed
twilit crystal
LOL a-20 95 mm pen with HE and 200 dmg
twin egret
BT-7 arty also dos 200 damage .-.
twilit crystal
it has 95 PEN
twin egret
but AMX ELC bis can only do 175 alpha every HE shot?
A-20 with 95mm of HE pen... not bad Wargaming not bad...
twilit crystal
although that means you never need to use the HEAT. AP is occasionaly useful if you need to overmatch or go through obstacles
twin egret
how much does HEAT pen?
gilded pivot
95
shy wren
95mm pen HE Round?
Lol, gotta try that tank lol
brisk lily
Wait a minute
95mm of HE pen??
hold up time to spam HE at tanks
so my load out now
35 HE, 5 HEAT, and 7 AP
makes sense
twilit crystal
0 HEAT
brisk lily
oh
unique scaffold
I would like to report the T-44 has never had a buff, while new tanks have powercreeped it into oblivion, and those new tanks are still getting buffed. All the T-44 ever gets is ammo racked.
gilded pivot
T44 is a strong tier 8 medium so idk
unique scaffold
it's a good tank if you play it very carefully. it takes incredible skill though. it was great back in the day, but there are about 15 tanks that I'd take before that one now.
gilded pivot
Like?
unique scaffold
t54 ltwt, t54 mod 1, type 59, super pershing, t-34-1, t-34-2, t-34-3, t69, ru251, indien pz, cent 1, t-45-85 rudy, lorraine 40t, Dracula, etc.
gilded pivot
The only tanks I'd take over the t44 is mod1, ltwt and maybe the t-34-2
unique scaffold
type 59 is almost identical to t44 in every way, but with a much stronger turret, and extra degree of gun depression
clever mauve
Oo
unique scaffold
t44 is still a good tank, but it's not the tank I go to anymore if I want a W. too many other tanks pen it with ease from any angle. it is also more prone to ammo rack than any other tier 8 med.
visual nimbus
Agreed, also can’t even count how many times I’ve been ammo racked in it.....
unique scaffold
it's so bad, I'm almost afraid it will detonate when I start the ignition. maybe auto explode feature will be added in 5.11
raw saffron
t44 was okay before a huuuuge amount of new type59 arrived
now its almost useless. its still pretty fun playing it, but only if you dont have type59
ripe prawn
Who knew the location of KV2 ammo rack?
brisk lily
I have Type 59
that amount of times I've been rushed or prammoed is amazing
raw saffron
because people know how dangerous tank it is ;)
brisk lily
even though there's a full team in front of them and behind me?
unique scaffold
t44 is one of my favorite tanks to drive. not because it's good, but because it requires far more skill to be successful in than it used to. and it's a beautiful tank.
raw saffron
@brisk lily hm. yep. There are certain tanks to which people are shooting at first. Type59 is that kind of tank
brisk lily
Like getting chased by a KV-4
raw saffron
thats just stupid :D
brisk lily
That actually happened
A KV-4 saw me on a one shot(122mm) and ignored my team around them and focused me, even when I ran
unique scaffold
@brisk lily it's called "cleaning guns off the battlefield" 🙃
shy wren
@ripe prawn KV-tanks have their ammoracks stored in the rear of the turret
hollow mason
Oof, thank yiu
dry vine
woow nicw
deft owl
@raw saffron Wow thats so damn wrong. T-44 has much better gun handlings then 59.
unique scaffold
59 patton also need a buff
vivid citrus
Nerf is4
unique scaffold
gilded pivot
That's HE...
gray cave
Wow I try new update new missions and first idea was Great right step forward WG . NiceWork 😄
meager spruce
literally worse. each week you could complete 30 missions and get about 2 rewards per mission. With the new missions it is a crate reward system
violet citrus
@dry vine how did you get that?
clever void
Type 59 has a lot more armour then the t44. As much as I like the t44 I have to say it’s junk against the type 59
tiny vale
A-20 with cshells. 105 pen
sinful knot
dry vine
@violet citrus I get this whent I lose i do 4,2k dmd seckond player do 800 dmd
fiery mason
Hello
unique scaffold
Panzer 58 needs a buff in movement speed or alpha...
desert wind
Nerf bastion
twilit crystal
is the arl 44 broken again?. Its frontal hull is now impentrable and it has a e50m style turret with a large central mantlet and no longer overmatchable side turret armor
willow junco
where is my complaints
unique scaffold
59 patton ...have bad mobility ..teir 6 alpha damage ..turrent armor 👎👎👎...
tanks like rudy of type 62 will take you HP ...basically because they have more alph and less reload.
t26e4 gun is 90mm and have 202 penetration
59 patton 90mm and 180 penetration ?????
quick lichen
It has really high dpm for tier 8
Maybe it’s not the tank, but how you’re playing it
unique scaffold
placid fjord
It chinese what ya expect?
unique scaffold
you think that the DPM is high ..but ..look at the real alpha ..is lower than the others because of the poor pen.
distant river
Its an average tank stop complaining
quick lichen
It’s a 90 mm gun
It’s ALWAYS 225 alpha
Like every single 90 mm hits that hard lol
twilit crystal
besides german bulldog with 240
quick lichen
German bias
twilit crystal
more like WG too lazy to actually balance and just copied PC stats like they did with the BDR when it came in game
quick lichen
T20, t25, t25/2, Pershing, t26e4, sta, drac, etc etc
void pewter
oh bdr was so fun
twilit crystal
remember the OG BDR with that 3.5 sec reload with 160 alpha and 330 view range. Absolutely hillarious
unique scaffold
i have the two tank t26e4 and 59 ...both with 90mm but the alpha is not the same (poor penetration)
always switch to gold ..to hit the top of superpersing
unique scaffold
i know ...but with the poor pen of 59 ..the average damage is around 195 always low roll.
distant river
No the average damage is what it says on the stats
quick lichen
You seem like you’re using negativity bias
indigo knot
cold badge
But why the defender?
We all know why the thing was so controversial on PC. Why add it here?
void pewter
cuz money
cold badge
I literally just came back to the game yesterday after months of not playing and now I'm gonna leave again. Come on WG...
At least this is coming for France.
M4/FL10 https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/m4-fl10
novel glade
Why u doing this?😭
proven helm
Is that a sherman with the strv turret?
cold badge
No, a AMX 13 75 turret. A real tank, surprisingly
iron lynx
Oh
Hi.
unique scaffold
I like it. Now we just need the AMX Chaffee
iron lynx
World of Sherman Variants
twilit crystal
i dont get why heavies get faster interclip than meds
iron lynx
It is kinda hard to balance things out when half of the community wants it removed and the other half don't.
dry vine
Hmm then 50% nerff that tank
iron lynx
It is already nerfed
rough kettle
what 50 nerff?
unique scaffold
I swear WG nerfed all credit efficiency in all tanks... I dont get many credits as I usually did
dry vine
183 need normal nerf
clever void
Give me a t22 and I’ll give you my death star 👀
unique scaffold
NO 183 was already nerfed lol
iron lynx
They already made it way more visible, and also the aiming time was nerfed too
dry vine
If he don't have turret !?!
iron lynx
It doesn't have a 360 turret
dry vine
So? He have 45° to much max 20°
twilit crystal
they gave the 183 the same base camo as the maus which is hillarius. You can get it to a more decent level but its so nice to see to how much its been rekt
late crow
I know low tiers are lame right now. But the A20 is broken suddenly. HE rounds have 95mm pen. Same pen as HEAT rounds.
jade cargoBOT
Titanikorius_LTU[Gintas]#6535 was muted
unique scaffold
183 nerf was completely deserved. Hell, with a cannon that size you should be able to see it fire from other maps.
stoic light
183 is fine now, it’s balanced
winter eagle
Under preforming as it should
twilit crystal
underperforming as it should as it was overplayed
stoic light
I still have good games with it, players in this game are too stupid to play against it smartly so it’s still good
I’m pretty sure the average player is like 10
twilit crystal
Now I only complain about it if its on my team
stoic light
It could use a small aim buff for sure though
unique scaffold
It needs no buff.
No tier X TD needs a buff. There are 6 of the stupid things in nearly every tier X match. There does not need to be any additional motivation for players to play them.
clever void
If you guys don’t notice it seems to be trending towards jageroos. To me it seems like their are less 183s now
unique scaffold
Good
indigo knot
Why not buff all the meds and lights or nerf view range of HTs and TDs
versed fable
They already did
wooden dove
xsh
unique scaffold
Because good players can use view range mechanics to excel at the game and heavy drivers and tank destroyer drivers will cry.
median gust
just farm
median gust
How about grille
unique scaffold
@quick lichen. I've come to the conclusion that putting a good player who is map aware and knows where he needs to be in a slow TD is like making a sprinter run in swimming flippers.
quick lichen
I feel like I can only do damage if the game comes to the tank
Other wise you feel hopeless
unique scaffold
That is not a fun way to play.
quick lichen
The gun trolls me constantly which furthers the frustration
unique scaffold
But some players love playing that way. Hence the camping in spawn issue. Just wait long enough and they'll either win or get to shoot someone before they lose the match.
median gust
ye
iron lynx
Grille 15 actually takes some skill to drive without getting blown up in two minutes, compared to other TDs.
median gust
So hard to play
royal ledge
Asia server is die
oak prawn
Maybe don't use mods °•°
royal ledge
idk
im try other account number is work
quick lichen
@royal ledge what does this have to do with tank balance?
unique scaffold
You got hit by something else
Either you sat there until he shot you enough times for the damage counter to get that high, or you got bonked by a tank with a bigger gun, or you got ammoracked
distant river
@unique scaffold was it several shots in quick succession? The game would have added all its damage together and shown it as 1 ray of damage on your reticle
3.1 sec reload @unique scaffold
So it was multiple shots?
Do you have replays on?
unique scaffold
"Hacking"...lol
unique scaffold
Obj 140 more like object can shoot 140 rounds in 140 seconds 😩
warm sleet
@unique scaffold you were probably lagging when the e25 was shooting you. If he was able to put in 4 shots when you were lagging and they all registered for you at the same time, that could explain what happened
quick lichen
It must have shot you multiple times with adrenaline
In the same way a 50b can hit you for 1200, it’s probably because the shots hit you in quick enough succession to stack the damage ray
Aka 400 -> 800 -> 1200
unique scaffold
If you want more dynamic gameplay at tier 9 and 10 against an ecology of fear from the 183, add more light tanks at those tiers. Light tank camo is a perfect balance to lack of movement. Light tanks are what make lower tier gameplay fluid and mobile. Having a choice of 1 light tank at tier 10 is a travesty.
brisk lily
T-100LT
flat zephyr
Or simply remove 183
unique scaffold
^
night thunder
183 have a unique niche dont remove it wg should add counter to it maybe a lt that have good camo and blistering fast. Pinkpanther idea is very good in fact we need more diversity in tech tree so pls wg dont make everything crate tank like the 30b or badger
warm sleet
I think there should be more lights in tierX and the lights and mediums should have a big boost to view range. There is a small gap in view range from heavies to meds and lights.
night thunder
Maybe if possible introduce a tank line thats not yet in pc that would be a fun thing
flat zephyr
@warm sleet even the boost to view range can't do much since maps are small. There should be a nerf to heavy and td view range
warm sleet
Even better. The view range on most tierX meds is a little over 300 right? If the average got boosted to 350 and heavies got lowered it would make the game much better for med and light tank players who can outspot heavies
night thunder
U wot
Keep the ht viewrange well maybe nerf some like the is 4 bcuz that thing is frankly op atm decent dpm, strong armor, good speed, good pen
warm sleet
If the meds have a better viewrange and can spot camping tds then it will force the tds to not camp in fear of being spotted my meds and lit up by the enemy team. By increasing view range it makes tds less effective at camping and makes the game a faster paced game
flat zephyr
Tds need to camp, but it depends on situation. They should move actively to shoot in long range not just sit back wait till enemy comes out
warm sleet
Tds need to snipe not camp
night thunder
Td needs to camp but they need to find a proper spot where they can support team unfortunately 80% of the population failed to understand this and camp in useless spot
unique scaffold
Also, you broke tier 6 with the ARL44 frontal armor buff in this update.
warm sleet
Camping is sitting in 1 spot for the entire game. Sniping is moving around at the back to get shots and actually engage in the game. That’s what tds should be doing
unique scaffold
Heavy tanks shouldn’t have coated optics as a free equipment choice as it doesn’t suit the class’s purpose. As this new equipment system allowed heavies to become better spotters.
night thunder
Camping could be useful tho in competitive that is in random play its gonna ruin the experience
warm sleet
Even in competitive my team has tds move around a little to adapt. So it’s not camping but sniping
night thunder
Well it depends if the enemy hard push camping could be good to make them have 2nd thoughts or to completely destroy their hp pool
twilit crystal
yeah the option should be optics or improved armor. That actually forces heavy players to choose
unique scaffold
^
unique scaffold
Can't lump all heavies into a group with an identical purpose. AMX 50 100 is not an IS-3, and can't be expected to play like one.
visual nimbus
Yep
rancid drift
So I just returned to the game after not playing for about two years and played my Ferdinand. When I played in the past it was known as an iron wall like many of the British tds. It’s slow with low health and has a long reload with an ok amount of damage for its tier. But it seems that the armor has been nerfed so badly that everyone can pen the front armor thus making it almost impossible to play. It seems that the jpanther 2 inherited its superior armor in addition to being a lot faster. If I had the jpanther and had a choice between the two I would go for the jp 2 any day. But as someone who already has the Ferdinand, I don’t know where to go.
brisk lily
The Ferdi has been powercreeped quite badly
tranquil wadi
The armor on the ferd is pretty much negated now that tier 8 has been choked with so many high pen guns or everyone spams gold
rancid drift
so should i grind the jp again and get the jp 2 or suffer through the ferd for a while?
brisk lily
depends how far you're into the Ferdi grind
rancid drift
Right now I have best gun, tracks and the second engine. just not the 38k engine which means I have yet to start working towards the next tier itself
brisk lily
oh then just suffer the grind it's not worth going through a whole new tank(all be it better) imo
rancid drift
yeah i see. I am 60% sure the top ferdi gun is also the top jp2 gun but im not sure
brisk lily
it is
rancid drift
so that would save a bit of grinding, still not worth sadly
ripe prawn
Why did WG buff HT tier 6 armor???
spring pelican
smasher
twilit crystal
because of kv2/smasher. Instead of nerfing 2 tanks(infact not even the tank just the gun because hte kv2 is perfectly viable with a 107
open lynx
Turns out people are saying My locust is too op
its not and my game is lagging so bad xd
lunar scaffold
is it still worth geting deathstar after the nerf
cunning kindle
Wdym? It wasnt worth it even before the nerf
lunar scaffold
how
cunning kindle
Its a joke..... :/
lunar scaffold
ok then what td should i get
cunning kindle
E3
deft owl
@warm sleet Most tds suppose to camp. No one likes getting shot from an invisible td but thats how it works.
gaunt coyote
No, they are not supposed to camp. Camping and giving support fire are 2 different things....
unique scaffold
Play a real tank. Get a medium
deft owl
@gaunt coyote Yeah good luck giving support fire in your grille 15 when you are spotted.