Smasher generally is fine to be a tank in wot but NOT balanced that it can meet tier 6 Smasher should be tier 8
#tank-balance-discussion
golden kraken
small flame
or its just plain too good
obtuse hill
I wouldve bought smasher if it was buffed to tier 8, it would be something new, legit tier 8 is boring but has credits
plush thorn
I just have to say, the buff on the JgPz E100 was so not needed. I thought agility was needed more. I know I'm not even talking about russian biases or whatnot up above, but like, the Grille 15 got nerfed a while back, now JgPz E100 buffed, then why is the Grille 15 not living up to the german qualities it probably should have before nerf? I'm also probly not up to date with things.... But other than that... yeah, i just had some strong feelings when the JgPz E100 got buffed. It really shouldn't have been buffed the way it did. It's coming in way too useful. And also I think the KV-3 tier 8 gun needs a fix. It's got less dpm than the tier 7 gun that does 280 dmg. A load of bull right there. And I bet there's is something about the T-44 you can find that needs a little change. It's got horrible speed traverse. Not like bad as in KV-2 speed as a medium, I mean like you can't get from place to place as fast as you would need to. Also, @obtuse hill , I disagree with that last statement you made right there. I play tier 8 all the time. I lose 20k credits every game. Not even just winning. If I lose, then I can't afford to play my tanks again. 60k creds lost.
iron lynx
Uh
How is the Jageru buffed
obtuse hill
Huh , btw not reading that, but tier 8 is legit credit tier. XD everyone knows that
And btw, jg e100 was pos cus it doesnt fit meta for BLITZ fast gameplay, legit a handicap so atleast now it wont get bum rushed
plush thorn
@iron lynx the JgPz E100 was buffed with the gun traverse and things of the type. So basically the gun can turn sideways more, it's really overpowered.
dim field
Smasher would not do well against tier 9 with it's current set up.
plush thorn
that's a given
dim field
Bromatick thinks otherwise
obtuse rover
Hey wargaming maybe add like a merging system wherin like u can merge ur 2nd accounts to ur main so that u won't have to keep switching
rugged patio
When will you nerf the tank destroyers ? It’s very nice to play against camper with op guns and they see you before you see them because they are everytime in a bush ._.
placid fjord
Buff Maus upper plate?
iron lynx
I do believe the upper plate is already impenetrable.
coarse harness
It's not
visual nimbus
It’s enough to not be buffed any at all.
cunning kindle
Where is the loader located in the fv215b
Gets HE'ed at cupola
Gunner injured everytime
Smh
crude pumice
lolaine 40t need nerf for dmg permagazine 960 to 640
cunning kindle
Lmao kk
safe canopy
just saying its 900 dmg a clip and its not OP whatsoever
deft owl
@iron lynx Maus Upper plate is penable just fine when unangled. Effective armor is around 320-330mm. Gold rounds have high chance to pen it when unangled. @crude pumice Just because you think so?
iron lynx
Hmm yeah, but I think it is fine as it is, no need a buff.
crude pumice
@deft owl The advantage of the autoloader is that it reduces the time it takes to get hit. Lorraine has ample mobility and can hide itself except when surprises. When I think about risk and return, I think that the risk is not enough. Even if you extend the reload time, which is a common weakness of the loader, you just have to run away and hide. I think damage per magazine should be matched with Tier 8 TDs.
cunning kindle
Nerf the batchat too bois
Ps: this is sarcasm dont @ me
iron lynx
The Lorraine needs 7.5 seconds to unload all four shells.
A contemporary TD needs 0.0 seconds.
Nerfing the magazine to 640 damage is basically rendering it almost useless as a tier 8.
^^^ Exactly
You do have a 960 damage drum, but keep in mind that most of the time, you will have to choose between unloading one or two shots and hide, or unloading all and risk getting shot back. For the latter option, you do not have the health nor armor to spare.
Oh, sorry about that.
Yeah, 900.
indigo knot
@plush thorn Jageroo needed buff and the buff given is correct
indigo knot
Its was not good tank ...it was situational and way map dependent still is but that gun arc helps
deft owl
@crude pumice Risk is not enough? 40mm front and 30mm side armor that with a size of Is-7.
turbid smelt
Jg Pz E100 is more fun, not OP but definitely more fun, it is easier to sidesrape now
teal olive
@plush thorn JG is so far from overpowered. Are you kidding? Getting it buffed lets it do the job that it was meant to in the first place. It used to poke out when sidescraping and would have to expose its giant lower plate to get a shot off. So now it can at least sidescrape effectively.
unique scaffold
hi
unique scaffold
platoon of smashers should be blocked
dark pike
smasher should be nerfed
unique scaffold
because the inclination of the armor does not work like this, the is5 gets twice aside after 300/400 damage from a piece high-explosive bullet
why counterattack like in every respect you will be pierced for 300/400 to the side?
turbid smelt
How balanced is the Wz 120 1 FT? It is low to ground (hence good camo rating), frontal armour has only small lower plate as weakness (roof can't be overmatched by most big guns at tier8), it has ridiculous track traverse (super hard to perform Cod (don't try not possible)), it has 7° or 8° of gundepression, it also has pretty good pick up, gun is quite accurate (I have seen clowns pulling of most bs shots in it), penetration is very guut as well and dpm will make many tankers regret their decision for engaging that piece of ****
unique scaffold
And gold bullets in smasher should have worst penetration because 250mm is too many and this pierce every tank
And should have worst armor because many meds didn't have enought penetration to pierce he's frontal armor or worst rotation
turbid smelt
Tier 7 Kv2 can be balanced by poor track traverse and slightly high gun dispersion
kind swallow
It just needs it
It aims faster than IS5
Much faster
Like 1.4 sec?
iron lynx
Everyone already knows the WZ 120 1 FT is blatantly OP by now.
clever void
So the nubs tear open their wallets and spend hundreds of dollars on it whenever it comes out
quick lichen
Just thank those people for making the game free
grave bear
no
keen lily
Well tbh it is their decision whether to buy or not since it is their money. This also helps the developers improve the game in a way that we don't know. Wargaming is a huge company and by that they need huge incomes for improvements. If you hate fighting OP prem tanks then try getting OP tech tree tanks to overcome that especially if you don't even want to spend a dime into the game. Nubs or pro.. just carry every game no matter what because you can't just rely on other people you don't know. So stop complaining about the game and just get good in it
gloomy dragon
I find that about 75% of the playerbase can't take advantage of the OP characteristics of a tank if it is OP in the first place. As long as you know what you're doing, you can usually take them out as usual. It's the experienced players who make the OP tanks shine. That and I've just grown tired of most of WG's antics. I mostly play joyrides these days so who or what I face makes little difference, just how easy it is to take them out solo.
dusky oxide
Its really just a game for noobs made by noobs so i wouldnt get into the cycle of trying to constantly look for a tank to match the op premium one. Just play any tank and if you get frusturated, leave. It will usually just come down to skill even though some premiums give you big advantages. Theres no way to fix op tanks since wg doesnt clearly feel the need for it.
@gloomy dragon depends entirely on the tank. Somwthing like a type 62 is never good in the hands of a bad player but most can do well in a smasher or a wz120f1ft, at least way better than they would in a tech tree variant.
gloomy dragon
Fair enough, but I tend to just bail and find another target if I can't effectively deal with any particular tank. They can only do so much if they're the only one left alive. Play smart and you can at least level the playing field by setting up the encounter in your favor.
dusky oxide
They can always go after your teammates. Ignoring a tank doesnt mean youve countered it. Theres no effective ways to control what your team is doing other than spotting, flanking and simple comms. The avg is still 48%.
dreamy oak
I think m4a1 revalorise needs a buff either it's speed or armor would be great to have. I think the gun is good as it is
clever void
I really like the Rev. But I’ll take any buff I can get
glass sandal
Hellou
placid fjord
Hello
iron lynx
If that's the case, then the speed should be buffed instead of the armor.
Fast sniper is nice.
dreamy oak
I like the rev aswell it just feels underpowered to other mediums of it's tier
grave bear
i dont have m4 rev, think it's underpowered as well.
hasty juniper
Just get a 50M and club the hell out of people 😤
clever void
I’m doing very well in M4A1 Rev. You need to always be on a hill and mid range unless you have clear advantage. I find the play style very similar to the m46 Patton
orchid grove
As the #1 Revalorise driver on NA (somehow); I'll add my 2 cents; it's best to think of it like the Skorpion G, but a little more forgiving. Just take shots of opportunity when you get the chance, and hold onto your HP for dear life. The Rev. will lose pretty much any 1v1; so it's best to avoid those. As long as you stay in the 2nd line, and take a cheeky shot every now and then with the gun depression, the Rev. can be a pretty effective support tank
Honestly, what Rev needs is 350 alpha so that its shots count for more when you get the chance to take them
visual nimbus
Agreed
twilit crystal
you just broke 2 rules in your sentence.
safe quest
*makes surviving HE rounds easier *
*realises that they won’t hit because 0.614 dispersion lmao *
Don’t get me wrong, it’s way better to not be one shot but lmao I mostly rely on them not even hitting
dreamy oak
@clever void I've got around 1600 avg dmg on it and most t8s I play around 1900. I prefer the STA-1 over the m4 rev and I love most tanks with their different playstyles and using every advantage the tank gives and as some of u already said for the m4 it's the alpha and gun dep but I think this tank is just so team dependent and can't carry games like other t8s can. Don't get me wrong like when everything goes perfect u will get the occasional 3.5k dmg but that's too rare imo
rose gulch
Smasher has the reload speed of IS and my teammates when they see one they all get killed(most of the time). In my opinion to balance it you should make the hp or armor lower
jade cargoBOT
Alex_#2974 was muted
wet quail
A smasher at tier 7 is my current worst nightmare. Seeing a helsing or Dracula is like a god send compared to that “insert expletives”
grave bear
imo has notbing op. also IS and KV-3 have around 12.5 seconds reload, not 17.
dark pike
its op
bold dagger
its not that OP imo
grave bear
^ i really dont like it lmao.
meager spruce
Smasher is not OP but it really sicks when you get hit for 1000 hp
grave bear
16.50 reload for 545 heat damage with a good 275 heat pen . and?
if you get penned by a 94mm penetration shell i think you played a bit bad @meager spruce
meager spruce
@grave bear sec, let me read game news first
grave bear
the AP with 150 pen is like non existent
imo tankenstein is much much better.
errant warren
Not op but versus other really strong (op) tanks IT has the highest WR and damage
Su152 is The most similar tier 7
grave bear
tankenstein is @errant warren
smasher = tankenstein with a better gun and horribly useless hull armor with way less mobility.
bold dagger
i like how you put the SU-152 there lmao
grave bear
every new tank has better stats than others. ppl saying Gravedigger was op af, please nerf, super op unpenetrble tank, when it's a closely trash tier 7 with horrible gun.
spark star
the Smasher isnt op
its broken
having a tier 7 with better specs than the tier 6 counterpart is fair game but giving a 152mm 122mm .4 accuracy is ridiculous
other than that, a KV-2 HE and the SU cant punish it from the front using the turret so when youre gonna be trading with it youre less well off
not to mention that the increased armor can tick off same tier med guns
the main issue with the smasher is that the 152mm on it is way too reliable and it makes the SU-152 look like a yesteryear option
not to mention that the cHEAT pen is ridiculous as well
foggy ridge
This guy isn’t even a good player, lmao
Smasher deals 400 dmg(IS’s dmg) with non penetration. And it’s deadly accurate
grave bear
meh
foggy ridge
@errant warren, it has such a good stats even when most good players avoid it, cause feel disgusted playing big-gun tanks
wet quail
It’s a moronic tank. If an average player can do 2500 then a unicum can do 3k in a TIER 7 heavy... wtf is this
grave quarry
I avoid all big gun tanks because they're boring
Clicking people from across the map isn't fun, or blasting them in the rear and then running away like a coward
foggy ridge
@wet quail, some my acquaintances(YouTubers) done 3k
foggy ridge
@grave quarry, 3 lucky shots, or 4 average
In fact all big-gun tanks are OP just because they even needn’t penetrations: they deal average heavy’s dmg with non penetration 🤔. If they penetrate they deal from 50% to 100% dmg with big probability explode ammo rack.
And their “bad accuracy” means absolutely nothing on practice.
Also they r not even slow, or not armored...
unique scaffold
Oh no
grave quarry
I don't get why Kpz 70 had gunhandling buffed when it was the only good thing about it
The gun sucks
The armour is bad
It doesn't turn well
errant warren
IS this better comparison then?
iron lynx
Umm
Hulldown Kpfz is quite good
errant warren
Does more dmg than tier9
foggy ridge
Did anyone get any response since that channel was created?
unique scaffold
I don't like smashers at tier 7 but I don't think the people who have them will be very happy if it's nerfed. I think they should make it a tier 8
grave bear
LMAO
make the tank 1 tier higher>>>>
≥≥>
nerf a tank
unique scaffold
Panzer 58 needs a buff
dark pike
at15 is bad
outer dagger
Kv-3 +armor
umbral peak
🤔
low talon
wg won't nerf Smasher 'cuz that is what wg want
quick lichen
@low talon smasher is a collector tank. It’s more than able to be nerfed
unique scaffold
why wg nerf mauschen but wont nerf meybe jg pz 4?
twilit crystal
because they dont really care about t6 balance
unique scaffold
Well they did ninja nerf the KV-2. That is a small step.
twilit crystal
after its literally most played tank at tier 6 and the most broken one too boot
unique scaffold
Preaching to the choir buddy.
teal olive
Been broken for ages now, even the 183 with a max roll can’t one shot any tank in or a tier below. Yet the kv2 can one shot some tier sevens, most tier sixes, and easily every tier five.
twilit crystal
well a 183 can one shot the t30 and t54,batchat ap pz iv and other tds
grave pier
😎
tulip mauve
hi
wet quail
Is the mle any good
clever void
5.10 is showing another 183 nerf. This is utter bs. Listening to the 45% player base whining because they belong in tier 1
Mle is very good tank
dark pike
good
unique scaffold
It isn't the 45%ers complaining about the 183. It is the good players who realize that a game mechanic that allows you to hide in a corner all match and do 2k+ dmg in two shots is bad for the game. @clever void
clever void
If they intend to nerf it into oblivion simply to cure a mistake on there end then they should simply remove it from the game and offer compensation
This rather then a line of tanks that nobody will grind anymore
unique scaffold
It still has the biggest gun in the game. That comes at a cost.
clever void
Jageroo has the same gun. And is now super competitive. I don’t see ur point
teal olive
Where can I see balance changes for 5.10. And jag is far from competitive still. Too bad of gun handling. The gun arc buff was great for it though.
clever void
The area denial capability for jageroo is awesome now
unique scaffold
Jag doesn't have HESH.
I had a chance to play the 183 and it was not difficult at all.
Personally I'm sick of seeing 6 TDs in every tier X match. If nerfing the 183 again cuts down the number of players playing it then I'm all for it.
teal olive
Same here, the jag has probably The worst gun handling/accuracy of all the tier ten TDs, but I don’t want it buffed because I don’t want people camping in it. So I’m fine with it not having good handling stats.
If wargaming would just put TD cap to 2, then it’d be a big step in the right direction
unique scaffold
If they nerf to the ground 183, people simply will migrate to jageroo and learn to use it at its best in its place. Since it has 170 mm gun, it's fine anyway for me. Anyway when I use 183 i use AP almost always, so it's not a big deal in any case, I have to make some credits and the HESH kills those.
dusky oxide
Thats better since they wont be able to get the same results by doing what they do with a 183 forcing them to change their playstyle if they want to do well
lunar niche
Jag will never replace 183 simply because of its superheavy mobility and lack of turret.
Players will camp in a vehicle regardless of its class.
exotic pelican
^^^ am a owner of a Jageru
unique scaffold
I have both, and after gun arc buff jageroo is even better, it reminds me of the Ferdinand playstyle
wanton beacon
yeah,in this update jg is better than 183
exotic pelican
as in a certain role or overall
wanton beacon
nerf 183, again? rly?
teal olive
It may be better, but the 183 is gamebreaking just because of how people play it.
grave pier
183 is fking useless......
He is dead
unique scaffold
I am for keeping the 183 the way it is now, a nerf like that is already restrictive enough for noob players, but jageroo is sort of a plan B in any case
wanton beacon
@grave pier ,yeah, but they nerf 183 again XD
unique scaffold
Where is the announcement of a new 183 nerf?
wanton beacon
oh thx ,so wg didnt say that
unique scaffold
I guess 5.10 open test is out. I haven't seen any of the data though.
The only thing I care WG should correct is the difference between 100 and 105 mm guns, as well 150/152 mm and 155 mm guns
teal olive
There’s some stuff on blitzpost. 1: we’re getting a battle pass type mission system. Good rewards. But there’s nothing there about balance changes
clever void
It’s the test data that’s out. Adding 2 secs to reload
wanton beacon
2 sec for 183?
unique scaffold
The minimum reload possible in 183, with provisions and rammer, is 18.5 sec. Adding 2 secs would make it a KV-2 in Tier 10, not for this players will stop playing it
wanton beacon
it means if i miss first shot, there isn't other shot
clever void
Unless you absolutely never leave spawn. So we camp harder
unique scaffold
It means many should play 183 with more brain, choosing accurately where to snipe
But then, 183 should have more camo value again, because with 20.5 seconds and every player hitting on it when it moves a bit, it seems a bit unfair
wanton beacon
just a bit? XD
honest fiber
Should have had a dispersion nerf
dusky oxide
The camo value is what made it too good at countering even skilled players.
unique scaffold
They will have to use hardcover. Boo hoo.
honest fiber
Haha while I flank it in the e50m
clever void
Trust me kiddos. If they nerf 183 into the ground how long do you think it will be until you guys talk about the jageroo the same way. I give it 6 months
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide Either it has a good mobility or good camo value, not both. Now mobility is like an FCM Pak 40 i dare say, and it's spotted almost at start when it's in spawn. Balance the thing or don't change the status quo I say
@clever void Exactly my opinion
hoary sorrel
Jag is so easy to play around. If it’s tracked it’s dead. 183 has enormous gun arc, tracking it is not a guarantee of your safety like jag.
north stone
Hello. Guys I know I shouldn’t ask that in here but any way do any body know an thing about pro league? I’m
honest fiber
To be fair just learn to deal with it right??? I mean if you see a 183 on the enemy team you pretty much know where it’s gunna be? In spawn so just avoid until he shoots and is spotted across the map haha
grave bear
@north stone i do
clever void
We should make it so it shoots blanks and bubbles so you can kill it easily every time
north stone
Do u have there discord ? And can u send it if u have plz?
unique scaffold
@honest fiber I deal with it, I am just reasoning my dear. And not all the 183 are camping noobs, some like me don't do it
lunar niche
It still has the ability to do 1200+ dmg with 242 HESH pen and better armour and traverse than Grille. How are people complaining about its mobility?
honest fiber
Yessss @clever void you know this
clever void
I simply never get hit by opposing 183s. I think I’ve been hit like 4 times in 14 k games
honest fiber
You’re right @unique scaffold any half decent player will go with the team and rely on them to cover you while you reload
north stone
I want sombody to invite me to pro league
unique scaffold
@lunar niche not complaining about mobility, again. I am just saying, now mobility is nerfed, give it half of the nerfed camo value, since every player can see it when it moves a bit and targets it. It's dead anyway in 1 Vs 1, give it a nerf of 2 secs of reload, I am fine. But the camo value needs a new buff
honest fiber
Yes to be fair I don’t own a 183 and will never grind it but now it seems they spend the whole game hiding or they get spotted like straight away
unique scaffold
They've always played that way.
honest fiber
Yes but now they are just spotted all the time
clever void
Duh. Give it troll armour and maybe it won’t
honest fiber
And can’t move out the way quick enough when they are spotted haha
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold that's not true, many actually knows how to use it without camping, but now they get spotted and the only way to stay hidden is:
Mimetics + equipments + camping.
Any other movement or setup and you're spotted = dead.
That is fine. A big gun comes at a cost. If they don't like it they should play a real tank.
honest fiber
And soon to be on a maxed out 20 second reload at the same time lol
unique scaffold
I have zero compassion for 183 drivers. Sorry not sorry.
tame wharf
if you want something with a big gun and armor, play the jag
honest fiber
Like I said I will never grind the 183 it don’t float my boat but it has to be balanced to an extent and been perma spotted on a 20 sec reload isn’t I don’t think
unique scaffold
@honest fiber @unique scaffold it makes sense to give it a reload nerf, the "cost" of the big gun is mobility and a long reload. Already paid for it, now camo buff pls
honest fiber
Needs the camo back for sure
hoary sorrel
No it doesn’t, fine the way it is now. There’s plenty of hard cover on the map, try using some.
unique scaffold
It isn't permanent spotted. Using hard cover to get unspotted isn't hard. If it is played smart it is fine. It absolutely does not need camo back. It had better camo than the Grille... that is absurd.
wanton beacon
@unique scaffold ,you are right, i hope they notice that.
unique scaffold
@hoary sorrel. Thank you.
lunar niche
Camo is what made it broken before. An unspotted 183 can stop players from moving/spotting.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold Grille has the little chassis, speed and DPM to defend itself, 183 one shot and then you're easy prey
hoary sorrel
Easy prey if you set up in a terrible spot like you probably have.
unique scaffold
Not if you play smart, use hard cover, and time your shots. This isn't hard folks.
lunar niche
@unique scaffold I've seen a T62a soloing a platoon of Grilles. Rushed and just ran around them.
honest fiber
Yeah that’s true we all hate the dynamic game play we get when the 183 isn’t spotted and your only dead if you camp alone shoot get spotted and rushed like a noob lol
unique scaffold
@lunar nichebefore it also had mobility and reload to get everything done. Mobility nerf is done, dispersion also, reload is in the way. At least give it camo back
wanton beacon
this is hard,rly hard :/
unique scaffold
No camo. It does not need its camo back. It needs to be played smartly
hoary sorrel
Really shouldn’t keep nerfing it, it’s ok the way it is now. Still rather it be gone but it’s acceptable now that it can be played around thanks to the camo nerf.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold to play smartly you have to actually move a bit, and in that bit you get spotted, targeted and often already destroyed
@honest fiber. Language. Edit that please.
lunar niche
@unique scaffold Traverse was nerfed as it could counter CODing mediums.
hoary sorrel
@unique scaffold if you’re getting spotted in the open on any move you make, you’re doing something wrong. 183 won’t make you a good player. It might make you feel like one though.
honest fiber
I can’t see it sorry lol
unique scaffold
Seriously. Just edit the F bomb out. @honest fiber
@hoary sorreli have 183 and jageroo for fun, I have other tanks to better myself, but I am reasoning. Unless 183 has to be reduced to a fragile bunker with big gun, ez target for all to see, then it needs camo back, or half of its value
honest fiber
Sorry @unique scaffold i don’t mean to drop that bomb but I think it’s block from view I can’t see it on here at all
hoary sorrel
No. I have pretty much all the tier 10s. It doesn’t need camo back, it’s an excellent trader as it is right now. Poke out 3 times and you do 3k damage. 40 seconds of reloading.
unique scaffold
@hoary sorreljust because every noob spams HESH. Nerf also it if we really need to, but give it camo back
Some people just don't like their crutches being messed with 🤣
hoary sorrel
Noob spam hesh? What are you? Do you not use hesh?
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold actually I am fine with 183 REBALANCING, as you can see, it's useless to make fun of people who think
honest fiber
Hahah use hesh when the situ requires like all different ammo types and sorry again @unique scaffold i have a potty mouth 😂
hoary sorrel
If you don’t use hesh in your 183, your opinion on the 183 should not be seriously considered because you obviously don’t know how to play the tank. I’m sorry but that’s actually appalling.
unique scaffold
@hoary sorrel, rarely, I already said I do all the damage I can wish with normal AP, to not lose credits
@honest fiber you'd be wise to read #rules otherwise your stay here may be shorter than you'd like.
@hoary sorrel 183 is for fun not for learning remember
honest fiber
I know the rules mate and was a genuine mistake. I know this not the place for that, just a minor slip up haha
hoary sorrel
And not losing credits apparently. What a joke.
unique scaffold
That's worse than not loading any HEAT on Soviet mediums 🤦♂️
honest fiber
Tier ten is not about credits right?? It’s about stat padding???
clever void
Ya only mk6 regularly makes credits
dusky oxide
121b coefficient -_-
unique scaffold
@hoary sorrel I lose credits every now and then, but if you spam HESH you might as well go bankrupt with 20k lost every battle. Thanks but no thanks
honest fiber
And m60 lol
unique scaffold
That 5 zeros on the red team game I had in tier X yesterday is starting to make more sense...
clever void
Mk6 nerf is inbound I hear
hoary sorrel
I’ll tell you exactly why your opinion is instantly worth that much less now that you’ve admitted to not using hesh. Because you literally don’t use the one thing that makes it broken. How can you have any sort of authority on the subject if you don’t use the tank’s strength.
honest fiber
I don’t use provisions and rarely full equipment on tech tree tanks under tier ten but all my tier tens are maxed out in every way
That’s tier ten right? You just put yourself at a massive disadvantage to not run full provisions and equipment
clever void
2 rations is enough. The good ones
honest fiber
And never scrimp on the premium rounds
unique scaffold
@hoary sorrel @unique scaffold read better please, I said I rarely use it. And every kind of prammo. I want to do credits and I rely on standard ammo and my skills. That being said, that's my playstyle, keep doing yours, I got no interest in your business
Every tank in my garage is fully equipped and is loaded with 40% pramo. To not go into battle fully prepared is just silly.
honest fiber
The heat/hesh is a must!!
hoary sorrel
I don’t have any business in yours and neither should anyone else on the 183 for the reason I said. Anyone reasonable will agree.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. You are asking for buffs to a tank that you don't equip to its full potential... that is just absurd.
@unique scaffold I ask for half of the original camo value, nerf everything else, oh my god
hoary sorrel
Reacting to your own posts 🤣
unique scaffold
Run a camo net and be done with it. The tank does not need a camo buff 🤣
@hoary sorrel lol, that's an idea, sure you do it now
dusky oxide
I mean, its not like a single 183 players performance reflects the entire playerbase of the tank.
hoary sorrel
You can check who reacted on mobile. Hint, I haven’t done it to any of my own. It’s even easier to check on pc.
wanton beacon
@unique scaffold ,no he said if they nerf reload,buff camo
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold that's your opinion and I respect it, on the contrary someone else is triggered by it
dusky oxide
How do you do that again? @hoary sorrel
hoary sorrel
Pc, simply hover over the reaction. Mobile, tap and hold on a message and tap on reactions
dusky oxide
@hoary sorrel thx :))
unique scaffold
There are 3 tank destroyers per team in nearly every tier X match. I fully endorse any and all nerfs to any tier X tank destroyer. Whatever is needed to cut down on the number being played is fine by me. Make the 183 reload 45 seconds for all I care.
honest fiber
Anyway put this 183 business to bed let’s start moaning about the is4 again 😂😂😂
unique scaffold
@unique scaffoldbut give it camo back 😂
wanton beacon
1 shot in each battle XD
dusky oxide
I thought thursdays schedule was smasher, smasher, wz, 183, and a tank that isnt in the game yet @honest fiber
hoary sorrel
Scientists have recently discovered a material on earth denser than osmium
dusky oxide
Why would you ever think giving that thing better camo than a grille is a good thing?
honest fiber
And they made the is4 from it 😂😂 @hoary sorrel
clever void
The mk6 nerf..
hoary sorrel
@honest fiber you can’t make is-4 out of a discord user
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide already explained before. Grille has speed and quick reload to defend himself, 183 one shot and it's dead
hoary sorrel
I am too 😄
unique scaffold
@honest fiber it's a bit difficult to stay with the team since the mobility is nerfed, that's the crucial point in which you are vulnerable because you're moving and spotted always after the nerf
dusky oxide
183 only has "one shit and its dead" if its alone and out in the open which it usually isnt since people camp in it with 2 other TDs near them. Hiving the 183 camo means that it can be used in an even more fishy way to get ez dmg. @unique scaffold
You definitely cant say the mobility is so bad you cant stay in a spot where you have teammates surrounding you.
honest fiber
Can it not keep up with e100 is 4 etc?
lunar niche
@unique scaffold Grille's speed becomes useless once a med rushes it. Quicker reload won't save it against a coding meds.
iron lynx
Dude Grille will be OP if it cannot be rushed by meds
Better camo is all I ask, make it about as good as the T110E5 in terms of camo
hoary sorrel
The emperor doesn’t even have a grille, he wouldn’t know how it actually is
lunar niche
@iron lynx meaning it can't outrun or shoot back a med while using top speed.
dusky oxide
Keep asking, its one thing the 183 will surely never get back. It can inflict such big damage that it cant just appear out of a random corner.
honest fiber
It can do 1400 dmg in one shot is enough
unique scaffold
@hoary sorrel Watch my profile and eat your words, let's not get low let's we
hoary sorrel
What, you don’t have a grille. Nothing inherently false about what I said.
iron lynx
I'm pretty sure the FV183 can keep up with the team, as long as you're not following the mediums.
unique scaffold
Right now I don't have it in garage, but it should be in my stats, I sold it time ago
hoary sorrel
So how would you know how it actually is. You haven’t played a tier 10 that isn’t 183 in over 90 days.
iron lynx
Rn the only tier X I'm playing regularly is the Grille
It's soooo accurate.
Lmao even people with the RAIDER camo doesn't really ace in it, it's so skill-based.
unique scaffold
@hoary sorrel because I sold them all for making credits, and I fail to see how this is your business.
dusky oxide
Thats beside the point, just because a grille has speed and some camo, doesnt mean a 183 should have those aspects. Grille has major setbacks considering pen and armor values.
hoary sorrel
It’s my business to investigate the validity of someone’s claims when they speak about balance. Never even called you a bad player.
grave quarry
KV-1S is too fast for a 122, discuss
iron lynx
You know, a FV183 cannot be HE penned through the front.
And the turret is actually decent.
This armor has to weigh it down.
clever void
Sniff sniff. Don’t look at my profile
unique scaffold
@hoary sorrel ok, I hope this satisfies you
dusky oxide
183 has the best pen and alpha in the game, even hesh and you think it should have something more to compensate for mediocre mobility, an armor profile that is not just paper and bad camo?
iron lynx
Oh yea I forgot that the FV183 is the only TD that gets HESH.
The Grille has kinda bad penetration for a TD tho.
quartz steeple
So lets gove jg pz e100 a hesh shell too
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide already said, nerf everything, but give it camo back. Its efficiency depends on players who can use camo and gun, while having poor mobility and the rest
grave quarry
Its efficiency depends on how good or bad the team is
iron lynx
An invisible KV-2 with more pen.
Okay then.
hoary sorrel
It’s efficiency relies on players who position themselves where they can trade effectively and not get pushed on their reload. Camo made that waaaaaay too easy.
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold nerf what? You think wg would nerf the alpha or even touch hesh? Do you realize how big of a job that is and what it would result in?
grave quarry
You want decent teams, if the team is too bad you don't get to do anything
And if it's too good, you don't get to do anything
unique scaffold
@grave quarry sadly true
wanton beacon
dude,he doesn't say just buff,he said if nerf reload then buff camo
grave quarry
We don't want invisible death lasers
iron lynx
Imo anything with high alpha shouldn't have good camo.
wanton beacon
don't change,it is the best way XD
unique scaffold
Oh well, time to re-buy the jageroo, at least its armor should be of some help
iron lynx
Exactly
One less FV183 is one step towards happiness
dusky oxide
@wanton beacon that still doesnt make sense balance-wise since a 183 could then sit quite happily at the back with 2 other tds holding down a big area. It wouldnt balance the tank in any way, it would just make it more campy
unique scaffold
@iron lynx you sure don't think I sell my 183 or don't use it any more 😂
gusty palm
türk var mı
iron lynx
If you played it less than before the nerf, it's a win.
unique scaffold
I always played it rarely, like 5 or 6 battles per week
gusty palm
yok herhaldee dimi kv 2 gibi
iron lynx
Can you please use English @gusty palm
wanton beacon
@dusky oxide ,i guess nerf it would cause it more campy(even for pro players)
unique scaffold
Right now I only have to re buy my previously owned Tier 10, as well as get the unlocked ones in the mean time, a hard goal to achieve, that's why I am so h**l bent on not using prammo or using it wisely
iron lynx
It is always campy.
The nerf means enemies can easily see them camping now.
wanton beacon
i heard wg nerf reload(+2sec)
iron lynx
That's good.
unique scaffold
Yes good, more reload time, balance it with camo
dusky oxide
@wanton beacon what? If you nerf a tanks reload and buff its camo values youre making it rely on staying in cover the whole game, ie camping. Furthermore you arent making it any more fitting to the meta or making it more dynamic, quite the opposite.
wanton beacon
tbh,it depends ur team and map and enemy tanks, u camp or dont
iron lynx
The camo is already balanced.
Imo it should be spotted by everyone as soon as it leaves spawn.
unique scaffold
The hate towards 183 is nearly fanatic omg. Many and many times I was oneshotted or nearly by a 183, not for this I am against it. It's a 183 mm gun, not a stick.
dusky oxide
You would out-balance out a reload nerf with a camo buff if its a 183. You'd just be making one aspect worse and then giving it an ability back to still be as effective at the thing you nerfed. +/-0 but you just made the tank more campy and even more useless to a team
iron lynx
Too bad WG thought the nerf is justified, and so is the majority of the community.
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold yes, it must be that all other people that dislike it are wrong.
unique scaffold
@iron lynx as if they care about balancing. They follow the policy that gets them more trust and new players. Since many get triggered by 183, then complaints are many as well, and WG does the deed.
iron lynx
I don't see veteran players complain about it after the nerf tho.
dusky oxide
But on the contrary, the reason 183 wasnt nerfed for a long time is that its the most popular tier x.
unique scaffold
@iron lynx I am not complaining about 183 as it is NOW. I am saying, (Jesus Christ, it's hard) they want to nerf it again? Give it back a little of something else, like camo. That's real rebalancing, not brutal nerf
dusky oxide
@wanton beacon what do you mean by that. The 183 has a distinctive game style. Your suggestion isnt taking into account those things you mentioned.
lunar niche
And camo is not a good thing to buff on 183. A complete rebalance is needed for it, not just little nerfs and buffs.
unique scaffold
@lunar niche then rebalance it, as long as I can move a tiny bit in the map without getting spotted from the opposite side when I leave spawn
dusky oxide
Camo is the one thing every good player gets a way bigger advantage of than a bad player does. Its also the one thing that makes a tank that people play by sitting at the back a lot better. Its not going face much vulnerable situations if it wont even be spotted to be engaged as often.
wanton beacon
@dusky oxide ,i say just nerf it would cause even pro player like y,prefer to camp,and it is that y hate it(more campy)
iron lynx
Give camo back? Maybe.
But nerf the armor to Batchat levels and the horizontal traverse to 25 degrees per side, also limit the speed to 25km/h.
dusky oxide
Lolwhat? @wanton beacon could u rephrase?
unique scaffold
@wanton beacon Exactly, they wanted the 183 more visible and less campy, but the way they done it backfired
wanton beacon
ok, just replace 183 with badger🙄
unique scaffold
@iron lynx on this level i agree, nerf something else and give the camo back
compact sundial
WG doesn't like people wo make sense @wanton beacon
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold how did it backfire? Its less visible, it will prolly always be campy. A camo buff surely wouldnt fix that.
wanton beacon
@dusky oxide ,image 183 in up5.10(after nerf), don't y prefer t camp?!
iron lynx
Mmmm
Then the tank will be called an arty and removed from the game.
Yes.
unique scaffold
@wanton beacon not going to buy that
@iron lynx then replace it with something appetible, compensate players who applied mimetics using gold also
wanton beacon
@compact sundial ,oh thx for informing me XD
iron lynx
After the nerf, I did see less FV183 camping.
Most of them follow along the heavy route.
dusky oxide
@wanton beacon are you asking me if i'd prefer to personally camp in it or wether id like to see people camping in it?
lunar niche
Ohhh, buff Maus/Jageru's camo too then. They get spotted whenever they move and they also have terrible traverse that cannot react and angle their flat side armours to bounce shots lol.
wanton beacon
@dusky oxide , y prefer to camp in it after nerf or not?!
iron lynx
Big guns and good camo do not mix.
If you want good camo the gun has to be nerfed hard.
unique scaffold
It's a lost cause, oh well, that's my opinion, now get on with it
wanton beacon
@iron lynx ,but still noobs camp in spawn, XD
compact sundial
I don't see why yall are complaining about the 183, the time's i've faced it in battle they either got lit up by my team instantly and couldn't get a shot off or they are being harrassed by their teamates for driving the 183
dusky oxide
@wanton beacon i dont own the thing. I dont like that kind of game styles. I only have experienced them by countering them.
iron lynx
And you, as the enemy, can actually see them in spawn, instead of taking a 183mm out of nowhere. @wanton beacon
We're not complaining about the 183, we're explaining why it shouldn't get good camo. @compact sundial
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide wait until you try it, then you get off from it 😂
dusky oxide
@wanton beacon if i had one, sure i'd camp in it, its an easy way to play the tank if you have a position you can use for an ambush.
lunar niche
High pen, high alpha and turret + camo. Terrible idea.
wanton beacon
no, just say if nerf then buff, just nerf doesn't mean balance
iron lynx
Okay
Buff the turret elevation speed @wanton beacon
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold i think im gonna buy me a wz1201gft :D. The su12254 and su101 are the only tds ive been interested in. I just dont like sacrificing flexibility when it comes to positioning.
@unique scaffold im sure i'd get off it but the kpz's alpha is enough for me at tier 9.
iron lynx
WZ 120 1 FT can carry games better than most tier 8 tanks.
Probably the most flexible tier 8.
wanton beacon
if wg's goal is balance,just nerf isn't good idea,but if it is for cutting down players,maybe
dusky oxide
Its now been 6 months till they last sold it. If it comes up for grabs for gold im saying goodbye to my collector vehicles
iron lynx
Yes
Cutting down 183 players is nice
wanton beacon
i get it now XD
iron lynx
I have no collector vehicles left apart from the Kuro and the T-150
And BT artillery
;-;
dusky oxide
I dont think the 183 wouldve needed a such a big nerf if there werent so many TDs in every battle.
unique scaffold
Smasher really needs a nerf in aiming
viscid orchid
WZ 120 1G FT needs a buff
visual nimbus
Tiger ll needs a buff
swift reef
Just buff all tanks to the same level and then its good
twilit crystal
the 183 wasnt nerfed for the longest time because it was never op. It was just a stupid tank that should have punished its owners more than the average tank because it had too much fun
dusky oxide
It had the highest avg dmg and even a bad player could get easy results.
viscid orchid
Just today saw a 42% do 5k in his 183. I died after doing about 3k in a tier 9. We won but mostly by luck. Big derps will always attract noobs.
wet quail
@swift reef making the game incredibly boring. Like low tiers have become
wanton beacon
even a bad player? i disagree at least about this update,(maybe coz of his team or etc)
honest dagger
Who else thinks mk6 nerf is unnecessary?
gilded pivot
what did they do to it?
honest dagger
Nerf dpm and hp slightly
visual nimbus
Don’t think Mk6 ever got nerfed or at least I don’t remember
honest dagger
It going to be...
visual nimbus
Where did you see this?
honest dagger
Opentest 5.10 I believe https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459900148999389186/563109775710093359/unknown.png vs current. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459900148999389186/563110159451422731/unknown.png
visual nimbus
Hmmmm
indigo knot
Are you sure about this ????
honest dagger
Yeah
clever void
Huge drop. That’s 1 round per min.
dusky oxide
It has hesh, good dpm, mediocre pen and a strong enough turret. Maybe its a bit too good at being a supoort tank?
hoary vortex
guys what did the vk 100 nerf exactly do
wet quail
Stealth nerf
unique scaffold
@hoary vortex. If memory serves the front plate and cupola took a hit to the armor.
hoary vortex
: ( so thats why i kept taking hits from my turret
quick lichen
Lower plate and hatch nerf
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide I am soooo glad they buffed the aim time of the Kpfpz 70, it had the consequence of making RNG damage slightly more towards the 530+ damage and it does less 4xx than before. That's a tiny but reasonable buff. And in this update finally I picked (at even half the price, 900 gold or slightly more, I don't remember) the legendary camo. Now the Kpfpz is my little sexy Ferrari tank 😂
fossil crag
"Strong enough turret" now that's a good meme 😂
Those nerfs would be reasonable if the turret was actually strong when hull down. Only redeemable factor of the Mk.6 was the DPM, and if they take that away...new dust collector in the garage. 👌
indigo knot
If only kpf70 had more HE alpha around 700 to 760
unique scaffold
@indigo knot a couple times I did 800 but with help of fire after hitting an engine. Yeah, it could be nice
indigo knot
640 alpha on HE doesn't feel that good....and most of the time gun low rolls
wet quail
Yeah I’m never worried faxing a kpf
unique scaffold
@indigo knot my opinion, the situation it's a bit better after the buff but the player has to aim accurately to less protected points of armors or to nearly no armored vehicles like the sides of French or Japanese tanks
@wet quail Kpfpz is a heavy for support, 1 Vs 1 is doomed, due to the (too much long, imo) reload
deft owl
@honest dagger You have some mistakes. Cheiftain base dpm is 2781.
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold Me too mate! Everytime it gets sold im happy since it means its getting another buff as 1000 of its original users are the ones who won it by competing. It used to derp shots all round and have such a long aim time back then :D Youre right, its the sexiest tank ive come across, and the legendary is a real camo used on finnish armor.
@fossil crag notice how i refrained from saying just 'strong'? Its good enough considering it has stellar gun performance and very good mobility for a heavy. Its not supposed to be a frontline tank, the armor can only bully a med from time to time. Youre not supposed to have everything.
And dont fall into despair yet, its not comfirmed and I doubt they would nerf an expensive collector tank over a minor thing. After all, the charts show its not overperforming.
Could you imagine how gamebreaking it would be if a heavy had good mobility, gun handling, pen, hesh, good dpm and good turret armor in the same package? Surely it wouldnt be only a supoort heavy if it had all that.
fossil crag
Notice how I quoted your whole statement and not just 'strong' and then said it was a good meme. It's not even strong "enough". It's utter garbage considering this tanks main role is to play over ridges and use it's gun depression. The mobility isn't "very good", it's sluggish at best. Mediocre to put it simply. It doesn't have "everything", only thing it has is DPM and gun depression. Penetration is lacking, speaking strictly from the premium variation of APCR.
dusky oxide
The mobility seems fine considering it still classifies as a heavy dont you think? I literally said "its not supoosed to have everything" and youre telling me i said otherwise? The tank is a lot more versatile than most heavies because it has a couple aspects that arent typical for a heavy. Its about tradeoffs, you dont have to struggle with HEAT but you get lower pen on apcr. @fossil crag
Man, we must have a different taste in memes.
void mortar
People discuss about nerfing other tanks and is4 will be there like "i dodged a bullet"
fossil crag
"It's not supposed to have everything" implies that it currently has everything and what WG are changing about the tank will make it balanced and not have everything.
quick lichen
The is4 has dodged an entire mg belt of bullets
Other than 10 degrees and a nice gun, the chieftain doesn’t have much
He pennable sides
Weak hull
Cupola everyone pens
@fossil crag maybe we are missing something
fossil crag
Turret can also be penned by HE
quick lichen
Top speed isn’t impressive
fossil crag
Meanwhile IS-4 has been the same, dominating the heavy meta for almost 2 years now? Amazing. 😄
quick lichen
#devs-answers can and does confirm this
dusky oxide
@fossil crag well you keep complaining about the turret like im a dev about to nerf your tank. I said its good enough for bullying meds, which it is. Its not like its paper or flat. The tank doesnt have everything but it still can still do a lot of things your standard heavy cant. Its a jack of all trades but a master of none.
quick lichen
But why use a chieftain over an e50m?
dusky oxide
You realize nothing we discuss here has any impact in balance changes right?
fossil crag
Jack of 💩 is what it is.
quick lichen
How could it be a jack of all trades on a map like himmels? Without ridgelines, it’s just a gun and a hp pool
visual nimbus
Might as well run a E5
quick lichen
E5 is better
dusky oxide
@quick lichen to have a heavy platform which means you get better pen and alpha with the same dpm.
fossil crag
The literal weight that says in the stats.
quick lichen
It’s a bad heavium
dusky oxide
Yes, the alpha and the weight.
quick lichen
Useful in certain circumstances
121 has the same alpha
So don’t bring up alpha lol
dusky oxide
121 doesnt have hesh
dusky oxide
Increased dmg. Its just another speciality.
twilit crystal
Just play amx 50b for the auto memes
quick lichen
I guess no other tanks have high explosive rounds
fossil crag
Is HESH supposed to be the redeemable factor of the Mk.6, judging by your comments? If so, I can't seem to remember last time HESH changed the outcome of my game where HE couldn't have done the same thing.
dusky oxide
@quick lichen we are still discussing the chieftain. You cant say the tank isnt quirky.
quick lichen
“Useful in certain circumstances”
A tank that is “quirky” isn’t “a jack of all trades”
Please stop talking now
You make yourself look more and more foolish
There are only 2 tanks in the game that can say hesh is a reason why they are more effective
183 and 4202
twilit crystal
well cent 7/1
dusky oxide
I didnt say useful in certain circumstances. Of course a tank is only as good as its surrounding allow it to be but to have features such as mediocre mobility, gd and hesh on a heavy is not very typical when you look back at the tech tree development.
quick lichen
When’s the last time someone said the tortoise was op because of its hesh?
honest dagger
@deft owl it might not be base dpm I’ll admit but you can see the rof nerf
median gust
never
quick lichen
I fail to see how 110mm hesh is anything worth really noting
It’s better than others
dusky oxide
@quick lichen when did i say hesh makes a tank op? Why do you think so many people bought a chieftain?
twilit crystal
110 mm hesh is good at t8 with the ru251
median gust
x2
dusky oxide
Ok i take back what i say about the hesh having a big enough impact for it to be a selling point, i thought it had actual prammo hesh pen, but the tank still separates itself from tier x heavies and thats the reason its popular. Its tries to be an mbt.
quick lichen
It’s not popular
Half the time people play it because they don’t have another tier x. They bought that and it’s all they have
Great for the game
It was supposed to be a better e5
dusky oxide
Theres 3270 of them.
quick lichen
Then people cried on the forums
Now it’s worse than the e5
It’s worse than the 215b
Which is much harder to use
honest dagger
I agree
fossil crag
Let's not forget the glorious E6. 😄
quick lichen
You don’t have to agree
dusky oxide
Why do you say 'now'?
quick lichen
Because the chieftain got nerfed right before launch
It had the same stats as it does on console
dusky oxide
I dont remember that. Whatd they change?
honest dagger
Glorious e6 lol
quick lichen
But too many people cried about it being pay to win
Now it’s crap
Nerfed the gun handling and it’s dpm
visual nimbus
E6 > Mk6?
dusky oxide
They were more cautious when releasing the 121b
quick lichen
That got buffed
visual nimbus
Dammit...well guess I’ll through buying that down the drain. Lol
quick lichen
The 121b is also a good tank
fossil crag
E6 is a fantastic tank. Actually amazed WG did so well at balancing it.
dusky oxide
many times too
quick lichen
E6 is so balanced, I never notice it in game
fossil crag
I'm not complaining, I still get people saying "E6?" when I play it. 😂
visual nimbus
Is that little view port bubble on the side actually part of its hitbox? Something I never got the answer too...
visual nimbus
Well that’s bs...
fossil crag
It isn't, you can shoot at it but the shell goes right through it.
dusky oxide
I dont even remember seeing one on eu. I bet they get focused.
fossil crag
It's like the T29 ears. People still do shoot at it and then DM me after the game saying my armor is broken. The tank is a rare sight in battles so people are confused by the weird bubble. Even without the bubble, the turret itself is strong and the cupola isn't an auto-pen because it has auto-bounce parts on the cupola which is a meme.
visual nimbus
Welp... they need to fix that...
fossil crag
I can go into a training room so you can see for yourself, maybe they changed something. Last time we tested, shells went right through the bubble and didn't register as part of the hitbox.
The hull armor is also troll during face hugging, shows all grey but you bounce somehow. 🤷
visual nimbus
Interesting, wonder when and how they’ll release the tank again.
twilit crystal
yeah it was the weirdest tier X release
fossil crag
If they do, I recommend to purchase for an outright price if you like mobile heavies, gun depression, IS-4 like penetration and funky armor.
The tank gets a lot of odd bounces. I've had 183s and Jags shoot me in the cupola and not pen.
visual nimbus
Sounds pretty much like my play style.
Idk we’ll see 🤷♂️
worn sierra
I would rather play the t110e5. you can hesh the front of the t95e6
solar flicker
what if there was a T110E5 with a 155 mm gun
void mortar
Odd bounces happens time to time. Is it more often than other of those kind?
topaz oak
uwu
soft egret
i find it funny that this discussion subreddit hates on 183s am i the only one that skillfully plays my 183 (derp king) without complaint?
twilit crystal
i doubt u play the 183 skillfully coz u cant. It literally causes your winrate to go down
soft egret
eh it did put me at a 40% but im almost back to 50% plus anyone who cares about wr that much shouldnt be playing blitz (just my opinion)
i get roasted by pro players for this and that and all i say is: (i don't care about wr, that makes blitz boring, your a real uptight nerd to care about something like that in a game
twilit crystal
i mean ur the one who just said you play with skill and then say u dont care about winrate
soft egret
but hey i digress there is after all more to life then wr and dmg overall and etc... (and yes wan i do play it skillfully i have over 1k games in it and average 4k dmg
dont quote me please thats every other live game not consistent but the numbers are close to 4k
twilit crystal
so ur saying u do 4k but u dont do 4k?
soft egret
yes and no
twilit crystal
anyone can do 4k dmg in a tier X. But to avg is the good part.
indigo knot
They only made T22 med better which has broken side armour
crystal spoke
It's only broken if its been penetrated
pallid basalt
How does wr go down when u play 183, surely with that gun you must win alot
placid fjord
@pallid basalt reload sucks
pallid basalt
Peek and boom
wet quail
That isn’t how it works, you need a team to spot for you and take the punishment whilst you deal it back. If your entire team camps as well or is severely incompetent then it’s hard to do damage
unique scaffold
Win rate goes down in the 183 because many players focus on getting a couple of high damage shots in instead of focusing on helping the team.
gilded pivot
If u lose the match ur win rate goes down... Pretty simple
cunning vapor
Wut
humble spear
no
unique scaffold
@subtle niche players lose more often in the 183 than most other tanks. most likely because they are focusing on getting raw damage numbers instead of making shots that assist the team. Or they are just bad.
brazen monolith
They need to stop rigging the big crate and meduim crate to always give boosters
royal gull
Haha nvr gotten a high tier prem once from that tank
vivid citrus
IS4 strongest part of armor is that hatch... 20cm thick steel, weighing alone about 200kg because russian men are stronk
It has no turret weakspots, hulldown not pennable. Its hull can be angled so its around 340-380 everywhere, without any sort of cover
On top of everything it has good gun and can do over 40km/h
humble spear
in PC the IS-4 is pretty bad, especially with the overmatchable turret
vivid citrus
The overmatchable turret is big thing. In blitz its pretty much not pennable hulldown and the side turret is very strong too unlike E5 and other strong turreted heavytanks.
Also in your screenshot the tank is not angled enough. You can overangle it like crazy and still maintain 370+mm of effective, while increasing the frontal and lower plate to crazy values too
And doing some calculations, if that plate is 50x40cm in size and 20cm thick, its well over 250kg, closer to 300kg, which is about 640lbs for you with imperial system
Make it a legit weakspot. This tank has Maus armor and is faster than most same tier heavy tanks in game. It needs some weakspots or serious nerf in armor values.
spring pelican
learn to aim, its full of weakspots and shoot gold ammo
twilit crystal
yeah at this point id rather have the is4 than maus just for blocking coz with 370 heat even the maus upper plate is pennable. TBH the maus upper plate probably should get a buff to 250. You shouldn't ever be aiming at the upper plate of a maus anyway
where did you here that?
dont post here
dark pike
good riddance if its getting nerfed because 5.8 secs for 400 alpha is bloody broken
crystal spoke
Leaks are an insta mute iirc
twilit crystal
u can get banned. I did hear rumors from my own leak source but im just wondering where you heard? Clan server]
crystal spoke
@twilit crystal could I PM you?
twilit crystal
sure
teal olive
@twilit crystal you can obviously play any tank skillfully, in the deathstar’s case, it would be getting behind hardcover, making sure you have a teammate near you, firing, and making the enemy cross through a bunch of allies or long terrain so you can reload before they get to you.... but nobody ever does that. They camp at the back, do nothing, and then one shot some poor med at the end of the battle then get swarmed.
Wait @dark pike what’s getting nerfed?
full wharf
they litterly made mauschen 1 of the weakest heavys since this update i never bounce with my underplate even if im 45c angled they all hit me and even the worst pens can hit my cupola or underplate this so annoying mauschen feels like a tier 8 now
fringe briar
Man they really nerfed the amx30b DPM. AMX30b DPM with calibrated 2829; 3041 with rammer.
Leo DPM with calibrated 3313; 3563 with rammer
Does 30b already need a DPM buff?
spring pelican
no,
ivory fractal
no
dark pike
isnt that balanced by a strong turret and batchat speed?
ivory fractal
Like sk8 said in his review I think WG have done a good job balancing it.
quick lichen
The 30b used to have leopard 1 dpm
dark pike
also mauschen never got a armor nerf, only hp nerf and gun handling @full wharf
spark star
somebody is playing bad, maybe you should try it another day and it would bounce shots for you
had the same prob with the vk as well:GWfroggerHyperXD:
teal olive
The 30B has a leo turret but better. Leo has troll(ish) turret armor when looking down on opponent. But the 30Bs turret has 10 degrees with (I think) slightly better armor so it can really maximize the armor capability. Combine it with equal speed to the leo. If it had the same DPM, then the leo would be useless.
vivid citrus
30B can bounce shots pretty well
obsidian osprey
This is what happens when you put a $5 offer for 2 crates in the store. At least a few new players will get one. If they paid $100+, I feel less bad because at least they supported the game 🤷♂️
ivory fractal
@sick badger don’t name and shame, every player is allowed to buy what they want regardless of their stats.
visual nimbus
full wharf
@dark pike they nerfed the underplate and cupola
i never bounced my underplate or cupola its just to weak even if im angled
quasi hare
sick badger
@ivory fractal I understand that just forgot to dont show name but the fact that WG actually did huge changes to low tier just to make it better for new players but to sell t10 prems make it go even more worse for them. They come into matches with super unicums with 30k + matches and thats not fun for any part
unique scaffold
Super Unicums are incredibly rare. In most cases the players who buy these tanks that are out of their league are playing against players who are only slightly better than themselves. Players who buy these tanks are helping to support the game and for that I thank them.
distant river
^ it makes the game free for me (until i decide to "support" the game) so im happy
slender wedge
WG, pls fix MM
unique scaffold
@slender wedge there is nothing wrong with matchmaking
slender wedge
There is
unique scaffold
The matchmaker is not designed or obligated to give bad players teams to carry them. It is random and selects players randomly. It is fine.
slender wedge
I do 3,5k+ over 50 battles and winrate drops down.
distant river
Then the next 50 battles it may go up even more...
unique scaffold
Not true. In nearly every case a decline in win rate can be traced to an increase in average tier. If you are playing outside of your skill level your win rate will more than likely decline.
slender wedge
Make a split in winrate or avg damage pls.. and no i always played tiet X, my avg tier is 9,6 or something... i dont play out of my league, its the teams that are so bad vs teams that are normal
unique scaffold
Focus on doing more effective damage and working with your team. Doing high damage is useless if you aren't taking red guns out of the game.
distant river
The teams have not changed, if anything i would guess they are better than normal as there isnt a big event on
slender wedge
I did 3 games in a row 4,5k and 5k damage in the is4. Lost them all 3
unique scaffold
Doing damage without taking guns out of the game is useless
distant river
And then you might win 5 in a row with only 1k damage... It will even itself out
slender wedge
Lol, u have seen my gameplay than?
unique scaffold
No. I only see you here complaining about the same MM that we all play with.
humble spear
carry harder<<
slender wedge
Lol
unique scaffold
If you are doing high damage repeatedly and losing on a semi continuous basis spaceit is because the damage you are doing is ineffective.
slender wedge
Sure.
sick badger
Yeah but the low dmg the teammates do are even more ineffective
distant river
Not if they take guns out the game...
slender wedge
I will end this discussion from my side, thanks mister know it all for ur answers
unique scaffold
Any time. Have a good day.
sick badger
So when 2 players stand and shoot one Guy but They dont manage to kill him and I come and do 75% of dmg on that tank and then They kill it. Am I ineffective then?
Cuz thats a pretty common situation for me
humble spear
nah that's fine
unique scaffold
You're missing the point. The team that takes more guns out of the fight first is usually the team that wins. to do 5K damage and yet lose is telling me that your team is not taking guns out of the fight. Normally when I see high damage players like that they are the players who hang in the back and farm damage from available targets. They go around bleeding the hit point pool of various tanks without ever actually taking enemies out of the fight. Mean while their team dies around them and they lose
sick badger
And its not me who is ineffective when They drive out in open and bleed HP
empty ice
@sick badger I have seen you play, you are part of the problem
sick badger
@empty ice bot
slender wedge
Hahaha spartacus... you are missing the point. I cant do a rasenaei every match with 7k damage.. some guys from the team should do something to..
Nearly every game i have 3 players in my team doing 0 damage...
How
unique scaffold
Bad players. Carry harder. Conserve your HP pool while depleting the red teams HP pool.
sick badger
Impossible when U get rushed
unique scaffold
MM can't fix a bad player base.
@sick badger if you get rushed you were in a bad place to start with.
sick badger
I can send you replays after I played some games and You Will see what Im talking about
unique scaffold
I barely watch my replays. I surely don't want to watch your 🤣
sick badger
How can I get you to understand then?
unique scaffold
I play this game. I have a good understanding of what players do right and wrong.
sick badger
apperently not good enough to get me
unique scaffold
You'd be surprised
dim field
It sounds like you're doing ineffective damage as well as your team being ineffective as well.
gloomy dragon
Just roll with the punches and joyride. Dont bother playing for stats. Find a tank you like and just chill. No point in raging. Youre wasting your breath doing so
quick lichen
@slender wedge read pinned messages. K thanks
mental seal
120 fps for pc players pls
quick lichen
That has nothing to do with individual tank balance
mental seal
my tank game running in 60 fps
deft owl
Ram 2 nerf? What the hell wg?
slender wedge
wet agate
Wargaming here are some suggestions:
Add a feature where players can switch servers where you only have access if your winrate is above 50% and with a minimum amount of 5k battles so players won’t have to be playing with newbies and costing you a game
crimson cosmos
@deft owl Obviously it’s a Premium that they want out of the game without making it Collectable. So they are going to make it soooo bad that we’ll sell it for a bit of silver and they won’t have to give us gold.
slender wedge
Again and again and again and again..... how can you deny that mm is good?
wet agate
A mod menu so players won’t get bored with the current settings and make it more fun, specially for iOS players like my self
Please bring back girls una panzer tanks back!
slender wedge
@wet agate indeed... do something about these 35% to 50% players
ivory fractal
@wet agate do you only take notice of these “newbies” when you lose?
As for your suggestion, it’s never going to happen
wet agate
I don’t want to blame it all on them in particular but to make it as an example
ivory fractal
“ won’t have to be playing with newbies and costing you a game” are you sure your not blaming them?
white vessel
Us noobs make everyone else look good
ivory fractal
@white vessel 🤣👍
whole bridge
unique scaffold
Read the pinned messages. This channel is about game balance it is not about crying about matchmaking.
unique scaffold
Pinned messages
lunar arrow
Since I started the game, there's been a range of players from useless to unicum. I have managed to move myself from ~48% to ~55% in the past couple of years. If I can, you can too. Applies to anyone.
whole bridge
unique scaffold
@whole bridge. Pinned messages. Read them please
indigo solstice
How tf is the kv2 considered balanced.
Ahh yes let’s give a tank the ability to do 90% of hp of any tank in its tier with a penning shot. That’d be like the 183 doing 2k per shot
worn sierra
it is a horrible tank. It's gun is hardly a redeeming factor
unique scaffold
Vk 28.01 should be getting a reload buff it's dpm sucks
shut roost
jest tu jakiś dobry informatyk?
dim field
English, Do you speak it?
crystal spoke
Is that a reference to what I think it is
dim field
Yes
crystal spoke
Lol
wise dirge
Did the people who tested the 30b get to keep it? Or do they have to buy it like everyone else
orchid grove
The 30 B got removed from people's garages literally like a year ago
wise dirge
I wouldn’t know that
crystal spoke
@subtle niche no clue but is that a patton chassis?
grave bear
The USA obj263
deft owl
@subtle niche They said arty wont come
crystal spoke
I suggest the 183
wet quail
Smasher is the most idiotic tank ever invented
crystal spoke
@wet quail I wish you were right but unfortunately the valiant existed
median gust
@quick lichen ^^ Language
quick lichen
Indeed
jade cargoBOT
GAIAKI (EU) fromJPN#9516 was muted
quick lichen
Also, if you can’t do over 364 damage in tier 6, you deserve to lose
median gust
Exaactly!
crystal spoke
Only on rare occasions is it ok
median gust
I average 1.7 in the AC IV, with little effort
crystal spoke
I want the ac 4 so bad
median gust
Not that good tbh
crystal spoke
I want it for historical reasons
median gust
I see
crystal spoke
Yeah its quite and interesting tank and very impressive for that being one of their first real tank
outer ridge
big oof
twilit crystal
i mean the vk28 still has an accurate gun with good gun handling on the move and decent pen. It also has medium tank with light tank mobility
@crystal spoke they actually planning to do an event to get it from what I heard.
crystal spoke
Hmm interesting
balmy loom
when maus get nerf
wise dirge
It doesn’t need a nerf lol
twilit crystal
tbh I still think it needs an upper plate buff
fast meteor
Finally got a tank that can compete with t-22
balmy loom
Maus upper plate is strong already
twilit crystal
370 heat pens it easily. There isn't a reason the maus upper plate should be penned by normal heavy tanks even when the heavy tank isn't really above th emaus
weak gyro
remove bots
visual nimbus
Tiger ll is definitely not a very forgiving tank even in experienced hands....I want to like it but I can’t.
brisk lily
I can like it
gun is decent at its tier and while it has very little armour in terms of heavy tanks, it can hold its ground if played right
gilded pivot
Front plate is actually quite troll
wet wharf
If the turret had better armour (eg. buff to 240mm) than it would actually be competitive. The Tiger 2 is trying to be a hevium (eg. Tiger 1) and a true heavy (eg. E-75) at the same time but is failing at being either. Just either make it a hevium ot true heavy, not a tank in between
left kelp
Is someone getting into the world fo tanks blitz by cell phone now? I can not connect!
gilded pivot
Coz it doesn't have to be historically accurate it u want something historically accurate go play war thunder @remote tiger
remote tiger
I guess you ate the paint thinner off your crib when you were younger then @gilded pivot
gilded pivot
WG is a business they try to make money not satisy every single customer that comes along and complains about everything... Seriously
knotty rain
e100 should get better mobility... its 30 kmh sucks
thick rover
Well it's super heavy with lots of armour
knotty rain
i disagree... armour is weak
twilit crystal
the tiger 2 has basically like tiger 1 levels of armor for its tier but e75 mobility with a meh gun
gilded pivot
It has a derp gun... (Of sorts) and the armour is weak because people fired premium at it... Or u don't know how to angle
outer ridge
if e100 facehugs it will be almost unbeatable. The turret just have to be angled after firing
otherwise the big gun is enough to scare ppl
weary spindle
tulip steppe
The 5.10 test client shows the Ram II with a nerfed RoF and damage per shot. I fully appreciate that this is just the test client and nothing has been finalised but as the Ram II is still classed as a premium tank, is this setting a precedent for nerfing premium tanks???
The Ram II can hardly be classed as an OP tank anyway.
I’d love to get a reply.....🤔 Thanks
twin egret
it wasn't nerfed actually, the high priced provisions were taken away
tulip steppe
Provisions don't affect the damage per shot, only the rate of fire
twin egret
oooooh
I failed to notice that
twin egret
Premiums sometimes share the same gun as tech tree tanks so maybe that's why
crystal spoke
theve always been able to nerf premis they just prefer not to
twin egret
Ke-Ni otsu still hasen't been nerfed 🤔
unique scaffold
Kenny is irrelevant. They are incredibly rare and due to the changes in the MM for low battle count players the only people who see a Kenny in battle are either fellow clubbers or experienced players starting a new line. Not a big deal.
Guys please tell me the removal of the 120 mm gun of the M6A2E1 EXP is not true
crystal spoke
Have the devs them selfs said its getting removed? @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. Until I see it confirmed by WG I would take any rumors with a grain of salt.
Yeah but why this rumor is even born then?
crystal spoke
Because "leaks"
unique scaffold
I always hoped they didn't touch premium tanks (not even enriched, it's a real premium)
Don't light a torch and grab a pichfork yet. Just wait for a real announcement.
twin egret
why wait when you can ambush
dim field
Becauae an ambush can cause ideas and make em do it out spite.
cunning kindle
Wg cud u actually add a reload button for autoloaders, so many ppl i meet in randoms dont know how to reload the autoloader
I have nothing against double tapping the ammo, but other ppl dont kno
gilded pivot
That's just people not watching enough YouTube @cunning kindle
cunning kindle
Yea not everybody is tryhard enuf to go watch vids on a mobile game u kno
dim field
I kinda agree with this in a way. Have it be a setting or something that's defaulted to on. Keep the double tap though. People who know and want to use the double tap can still double tap but peope who don't know can have it in their face
twilit crystal
first of all that leak isnt even for 5.10. The rumor of that leak is that is gonna come alter
thick rover
INDEED
clever mauve
@unique scaffold keni certainly is relevant and deserves to be nerfed
deft owl
@unique scaffold Same goes for Grosstractor. But for some reason its nerfed.
crystal spoke
Very few people have/use it and if they do they only fight other players who have alot of battles
clever mauve
Yeah but that doesn’t matter it’s totally unfair @crystal spoke
I bought the T1E6 when it was in the store last year, and look what wargaming did! They nerfed it, made it collector, and gave it to everyone for FREE 😑
crystal spoke
Yeah but it's not a big enough issue to spend the time and effort in to nerfing it
clever mauve
It would otherwise be a rare tank but thanks to wargaming it’s not anymore
deft owl
@clever mauve I know your pain. Old T1e6 was very interesting tank with its 5 clip autoloader and increadbly low hp pool.
clever mauve
Oh plz they put time and effort into nerfing the entire lower tech tree ! One more tank could hurt ~ 😦 @deft owl
crystal spoke
You basically ordered it and of course there goingto eventually resell it
unique scaffold
It's tier 3. Play 10 games and move on to the next tier. 🤷♂️
crystal spoke
They did a blanket nerf that nerfed all of them in stead of spending extra time nerfing one of the rarest tanks
clever mauve
I disapprove of WG showing favoritism ~ all they had to do was apply the same keni nerf to the keni Otsu and done
deft owl
Even if the tier 3 grind is very short keni still deserves a huge nerf.
crystal spoke
It's not really favoritism it's just balancing resources
clever mauve
The keni Otsy even has HE shells ~ every Other tank at tier 3 only has 2 shell types
deft owl
The fun fact is Tanks like Fcm 36 pak 40 that is already a trash tank is worthy for a nerf while keni is untouched. Well done wg.
humble spear
laughs in tier 1 engine
clever mauve
Ikr ~ and I hate how people with keni otsus act like they’re so amazing and cool 😒 @deft owl
Bt7art is one of the few tanks able to counter a keni Otsu effectively, but most players don’t know how OP the keni is so they get wrecked
deft owl
Currently Only tank I found that can counters very well is Pz 2 j because otsu cant even pen this thing with its gold rounds.
clever mauve
Yeah I’ve seen those ~ they’re balance with low pen and damage @deft owl Matilda’s and pzB2s are also good counters
crystal spoke
Which would you rather spend your time and money on nerfing a tank that hardly anyone has or balancing tanks that are very prolific and that actually affect alot of players
clever mauve
@unique scaffold I have a right to choose which tier I like to play most ~ the keni Otsu doesn’t deserve a nerf any less than the Death Star did. Every tier is equal in it’s importance to the game
How bout both @crystal spoke it literally takes no extra effort ~ they were gonna nerf it originally but I think all keni Otsu owners got mad or something stupid
crystal spoke
Alot more work goes into rebalancing tanks then you think especially since almost nobody has it and overall has an extremely low impact on the game
clever mauve
Like I said, on the open test it was rebalanced but it never came to fruition
unique scaffold
It is still extremely rare. It isn't spammed like the 183. Not a big deal.
clever mauve
Do you have one? @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Nope. Don't play tier 3 either
crystal spoke
Tbh I've never even seen one in battle
meager spruce
I played tier 3 only for the T82 memes
clever mauve
I see them quite often it’s rly annoying
crystal spoke
Personally I play it on occasion bc I like playing historically interesting tanks
unique scaffold
It has been sometime since I routinely played tier 3. During that time I rarely saw a Kenny. Should the tank have been nerfed? Yes. Does the fact that it wasn't nerfed cause a balance issue in tier 3? I honestly don't think so.
dim field
Bt-sv
Speeeed boat but iirc they're nerfing it or just nerfed it. Which i don't understand why
clever mauve
Lol ikr ~ I am glad all tier 3s got increased damage outputs but they lost mobility
ruby monolith
Has the bat chats horribly small ammo supply been fixed?
brisk lily
nope
ruby monolith
I think that’s an issue
meager spruce
@ruby monolith 48 shells are quite enough.
unique scaffold
If you are playing the tank correctly the ammo capacity should be more than enough
grave bear
pz iv D is extremely underpowered, it's slow, no armor, big, horrible dpm, 120 dmg, bad pen and kv2ish accuracy. tier 5 reloads 4 seconds faster for dealing 160 dmg with 400 times better accuracy and armor, and also mobikity.
crystal spoke
^ And wrong name
grave bear
it's called pz iv D
crystal spoke
Yeah but the panzer iv D was never given a long 75mm
dim field
Brace yourself
History is coming.
crystal spoke
Only the panzer F2 and later variants had the kwk 40 (the long 75mm)
wraith lance
@crystal spoke He means in-game not IRL
crystal spoke
I know I'm saying that it's wrong in game not that he's wrong
I should have clearifide that
grave bear
well idc actually how's the history, i just said that the tank is a bad tier 3 turned into 4
crystal spoke
Yes and I was agreeing with you but I added something that annoys me
grave bear
it's so boring to have a 7.5 cm gun that does 120 damage.
crystal spoke
Especially with how long the reload is
gilded pivot
oof just got the SU76M back … 12.5 sec reload for 120 dmg... but I don't care
and I just bought the a-20 back to run along side..
tough talon
The less than 50wr serious they are humans? Or they haven't got brains? The most imba of this game is we+40wr noobs vs 7 50+ wr. Not premium, the premium is nothing, but noobs destroy the game
unique scaffold
@tough talon. Team composition has nothing to do with balance. Read the pinned messages.
dim field
I'm still confused as to how people think it's possible for everyone to be higher than 50%
fringe summit
The more noobs in the game, the more pro you look like🤔
outer tinsel
<@&510077723264286720>
Can I ask why I didn't get an avatar for 1h stream and coins?
covert harness
What server?
outer tinsel
EU
covert harness
Were you logined when you were watching the stream and did you watch EU stream?
outer tinsel
Yes,I have already signed up.
covert harness
Don't know then, I've watched the stream yesterday and got coins and avatars like 30min after stream ended.
outer tinsel
And I am waiting over 10h and nothing. What should I do? Who do I turn to?
Because it's quite unfair.
covert harness
If you were logined while watching stream and didn't get coins then best thing is to ask support.
gilded pivot
Maybe make a ticket with WG support? (I shouldn't recommend anything tho)
outer tinsel
I don't know exactly where to write them. Would you send me a link?
gilded pivot
It's on their website, give me 2 mins
outer tinsel
@gilded pivot Thanks. 😉
gilded pivot
Can we go to DM? Keep the channel clear for the rest
outer tinsel
@gilded pivot
SZ.
elfin marlin
I have the same problem too but I think I know where it went wrong.
First I opened the game then I went to menu>tournaments. I got redirected to wg official site and logged in. I choose the stream I wanted to see and pressed on it. Then YouTube opened and I have watched for an hour. The last minute I didn't watched and I went back to the official site. There I saw the stream with a minute/coin counter and pressed on it(the stream I mean) now I watch the last few seconds and the counter was running. When it ended completely I got 12 coins.
I went back to the game and within 5 minutes they added the 12 coins to my account. So, don't watch it via YouTube but via the official site.
outer tinsel
@elfin marlin
However, I went through the official site and nothing came at all.
elfin marlin
But you pressed on a stream you wanted to see and got redirected to YouTube. That's the problem. When that happens go back to official site, let YouTube running , and press it again. Now it's playing on official site and you'll see the counter of coins running. Then you can close YouTube
unique scaffold
Buff the reload of the foch 155
the Dpm of the Foch155 is terrable 4 a tier 10 TD
bleak mason
Buff the Wz120 FT plz, the armor is too weak, it can't bounce 183 AP when I failtoon it with my friends to tier X 😥 Also it needs a DPM buff because it takes too long to burn down a maus, and also needs an AP pen buff to 400mm because right now the Upper plate of E100's show red, which is unacceptable!!! Oh also a mobility buff to 80kmh because Batchats keep running away from it!! This is unacceptable BUFF IT ASAP!!! 😂😂😂
Oh, and the smashers gun; that puny 152mm schlong is too small, nobody is afraid of it anymore... 😥 It can't always one shot tier 8s!! UNACCEPTABLE!! 😡😡😡 Must add a researchable 183mm L4 to it so that tier 8's learn not to peek a smasher again!!
fast meteor
Just give em nuclear ammo
bleak mason
Yep 152mm nuke shells, game ends in 15 seconds as soon as they reload, and the team with object 279 on it wins 😂
fast meteor
i think we r going to get muted
bleak mason
I'm surprised that bushka, meadsy69, sk8xtrm, martindogger et al still haven't been banned after screaming and begging to all fans NOT TO BUY CRATES.. 😂 Bushka even said that the culprit is not wg but the players, if you buy them, they will sell them.. selling tanks in crates imbalances the game in many ways so yeah... ie t22 med with t62 turret and 140 gun depression is preferred to other RU meds in CWs, right?
unique scaffold
please Buff the Amx 30b its not OP enough.
oak bolt
Nope
bleak mason
Amx30b is actually very nicely balanced imho.. the DPM sucks so it can't just be a leo with a gun mantlet... oh and I bet WG tried hard to pose it for the loading screen to hide that huge paper tumor 😂 It looks hideous lol
unique scaffold
please Buff the Smasher reload on 5 sec. change the HE Ammo to Hesh
bleak mason
plz give Keni Otsu autoloader reaload to smasher... fixed it for ya @unique scaffold
drowsy plaza
And here I just wanted the channel to be used properly. I guess we are all out of luck.
bleak mason
It is being used properly lol... It's insanely obvious that the wz120 FT is just broken, and the smasher needs a nerf... here's us players discussing them, this is great!
haughty harness
plzz make cent 7/1 balanced at stock
like inceeas the dmg or penetration at stock gun
cyan summit
don't know where to write this :p
Do you plan to introduce mark of excellence on the game, like on wot pc?
bold wigeon
make the WZ-120 stock grind bearable if anything; worse type 59 at tiers IX and X, with literally no shared modules; and there are so many modules to research!
narrow terrace
Please make stock tanks playable
quick lichen
Every stock tank is playable
If it’s in your garage, you can always hit battle for the random queue
narrow terrace
@quick lichen play leopard pta 75% crew... crap
narrow terrace
It takes at tier 9 or 10 1000years to get a 75% up to 100%even with best booster
quick lichen
I didn’t say it was good
I said it was playable
Like you complained about
Only place you can’t play stock tanks is in ratings
Which is dead anyways
narrow terrace
Calisota - Calisto - Balisto
unique scaffold
The point of grinds is to get you to spend money. Making them easy defeats the point.
indigo knot
I really hope Is4 is nerfed after the mobile masters
lean blaze
Hi
wet quail
Yeah the front plate is too strong currently
tiny robin
Will the Smasher be nerfed?
dim field
Probably not
tiny robin
Why? I’m sure the developers will realize what a broken tank it is. It’s basically a buffed SU-152
Literally every Tier 6-7 match there’s one in it. And of course they rake in the most damage.
meager spruce
It may get a nerf but not any time soon
cyan summit
it's a premium, like the scorp or the frenchies
and it's money
crystal spoke
I feel like it's more of people aren't sure of how to fight it since its easily taken out my most t7 heavies/tds
inner swan
grave bear
LMAO, replay?
dim field
Smasher being a common sight in games is not a sign of it needing a nerf. It's a new tank with high alpha, of course it's gonna show up. Fight it how you would a kv-2.
wary stag
Let’s not have crates
lethal saddle
Why does the t-54 ltwt get 4 to 8 times the armor of the RU for only 5 more tons of weight
thing needs a mobility nerf because it's faster than the RU for all practical purposes
clever void
No dpm
lethal saddle
still higher than the t44
clever void
? No
lethal saddle
yes the t54ltwt has higher dpm than thhhe t44
cyan summit
ru has the god tier he :p
white vessel
Also gundep and superlowprofile
drowsy plaza
RU has HEP, AP and HEAT.
Ru HEP pen is double 54LtWt’s HE pen. So the 54LtWt HE is significantly more situational. @lethal saddle DPM difference is significant between them. Regardless of ammo
grave bear
hi do you think is7 needs a buff?
when we have is4/wz113
empty ice
Is7 is fine
fossil crag
I don't think it's fine, severely underpowered at the moment. The main strength of the IS-7 being the armor is non-existent due to calibrated shells. IS-4 is better in every way except mobility. Great tank for random battles though, fun in a platoon with a 113. (:
orchid grove
I would give IS-7 its PC turret armor so it wouldn't get penned in the turret cheeks, and maybe a dispersion buff to bring it in line with IS-4
fossil crag
It already can get penned in the turret cheeks...
median gust
Does anybody think T110E5 needs a buff?
I use mind and it's easily penned in the turret cheeks... Seems useless for hulldown with the Tier X TD meta
orchid grove
@fossil crag I meant wouldn't lol
fossil crag
Ahh, makes sense
deft owl
@orchid grove No. This game does not need any buff for any Is-spam tank.
median gust
Because you can't beat em
native sky
Is tanks can be beat lol
solemn aurora
The IS4 needs a nerf. The is7 doesn’t need a buff. The meta needs to break. It’s making the game Boring and toxic. Especially in the tournament scene.
gilded pivot
Just make the lower plate bigger and Nerf the mid plate
solemn aurora
The lower plate is fine, it needs an overall armor nerf or a better hitskin.
Every tank has a place in the Meta, but not all of them have one in the tournament meta. But if one tank dominates it especially when it’s so broken, it ruins the purpose of having such a wide array to choose from.
gilded pivot
Does the drivers hatch weakpoint actually be a weak point?
gilded pivot
Hmm ok so if that hatch was nerfed would it be ok?
quick lichen
Either nerf the turret or the upper plate
gilded pivot
I'd say upper plate
rigid wigeon
We all know raik wants is7 spam back
fossil crag
I just don't think IS-4 should have every advantage over the IS-7. Only thing IS-7 excels over the IS-4 is mobility. With the slow meta in competitive, IS-7 is a rare sight because IS-4 is fast enough for strats and excels in every other category over the IS-7. DPM, Penetration, and armor. I remember back in the day when meeting an IS-7 in battle was an "oh 💩 " moment, now it's more of "Yay, free WN8". Quite sad if you think about it.
cosmic barn
fossil crag
If you watch -1- vs EROS today in Professionals for EU. Specifically the game on Oasis Palms where Romka in the IS-4 bounced like 4-5 shots from the Maus in his IS-4. If he was in an IS-7, would have died a lot sooner. IS-7 had a lot of troll armor couple years ago, but as tanks got buffed and heavies started to get HEAT penetration in ranges of 370+, the armor is now butter and you rarely bounce.
Just look at the recent graphs from WG in #devs-answers and look at the IS-7. I don't think IS-7 should be buffed, I think the IS-4 should be nerfed so it isn't a do-it-all tank that completely outshines it's counterpart, the IS-7.
An example of good balance is Leopard 1 and AMX 30B. Similar vehicles in that they are both very mobile. You either sacrifice turret armor and hull armor for a laser gun with better penetration and DPM, or you sacrifice the amazing gun stats for a mediocre gun with less DPM and penetration but with a more reliable turret and hull. Neither outshine the other because they excel in different areas. I was really afraid of AMX 30B being completely and utterly useless after the 1st iteration of testing, but I must give credit where credit is due, WG did a great job at making sure 30B didn't just replace the Leopard 1. Now if only the same can happen with IS-4 and IS-7. 👀
visual nimbus
Well said
solemn aurora
@fossil crag i do agree with you. That wasn’t my point. The thing I disagreed with was the fact that the is7 needs any kind of buff, it doesn’t, it’s a well balanced tank. Instead the is4 needs a nerf to bring it down to the level of other tanks in its class and type at that tier.
fossil crag
Yeah exactly, IS-4 should be nerfed so it doesn't become the standard for balancing other heavies.
solemn aurora
@quick lichen even with that PC kind of armor, the is4 would remain a very worthy opponent. But a balanced one. And that’s what we need. Even if it doesn’t hold That performance in a regular battle most times, but a well trained team or even a platoon of good players with two of those define the entire meta of the battle. And that’s just plain unfair.
It’s Getting very annoying to see that in tournaments for me especially. It’s so sh*t to see 5 of those on the enemy team. No matter what you have planned. That broken armor will oof you.
Also Aprhopandas point about the maus is very valid. The is4 is getting to the point where it’s becoming a “universal” HT. That is also bad, it’s starting to take the positions that the maus and is7 hold aswell, completely removing them from scene in many cases. When a HT has as much armor as a maus and enough “troll” armor with speed as the is7 (not to mention hulldown capabilities) then it’s clearly pushing the limits.
iron lynx
I believe I have more success in penning Maus, IS-7, E-100 and all the T110E-X iterations from the front in the Grille 15 than the IS-4.
And it is supposed to be an IS-series tank, which trades armor for mobility.
Now it seems to have too much armor for its mobility.
indigo knot
5 to 8 mm Armour nerf on the front plate would be fine
And a turret weak spot is also needed
twin egret
The IS-4 has better armor than the maus frontally
or at least buff the heavies to it can compete with it when fighting it frontally
I'm still waiting for that 300mm of the front hull of the upper glacis buff on the FV215b Wargaming...
indigo knot
Nahh that would not be ok .... currently there is heavy meta and buffing them would leave no place for meds or light
twin egret
Yes Especially when there are E 50 M's and Bat Chat's that can bounces shots
thick rover
Maus has worst front than IS-4? Assuming turret is facing straight or what
Does grille 15 need a buff?
iron lynx
I think the Grille is fine
indigo knot
Grille needs a buff....in terms of camo or mobility
vivid citrus
Grille is good
spark star
Grille has a hilariously bad camo rating
Ive outspotted Grilles in my BC 25AP without any problem whatsoever
if ever theres a need for a buff, its camo but I'd rather not get shot at by targets I cant see
iron lynx
Um
I do support some more camo
But other than that it is fine
vivid citrus
My friend has got 8k+ dmg game in grille, it cant be bad tank like some scrub here stated
iron lynx
Omg lol
The most I got is near 7k
I think
vivid citrus
Grille is the TD of choise in cw clans like W1N. Its like the best or second best at least in game, no need for buff
iron lynx
Imo the Obj 268 is more versatile but the Grille can actually be fun if you know what you're doing
vivid citrus
Grille is better fire support, 268 can work in front too
spark star
but heres the big deal with the G15 and why I think its fine where it is
its supposed to be a support fire tank rather than your usual run of the mill camp and go TD
it has a lot of good going for it including the gun arc, laser like gun and very good penetration marks
you are punished for not using cover which is whats supposed to happen in the first place
after all, by playing 200-500 games in the past tanks you shouldve known by now that you should be near cover at all times
iron lynx
Yeah
Grille 15 cannot survive on its own because it is not supposed to survive on its own
vivid citrus
My clan has a hall of fame by damage done in discord. It has been going for three or so years now and we are all above average players in the clan. Its easy to see which tanks deal the most damage
spark star
thats why the Grille is one of the best TDs for comp
it so good with proper teamplay
and master classing it is quite a mountain of a feat due to the fact that a lot of really good players like the Grille 15
I'm still not in the level where I'd be experimenting strange spots in TDs like the Grille but theres a certain finesse to this tank
iron lynx
Yes
You can shoot between building slits in this tank
Too accurate, and the shell speed makes sniping very easy
indigo knot
I agree its fun but this tank is way more team dependent and in pub battles especially after 5.5 you can't depend on your team
white vessel
Grille isnt very suitable to to comp due to its horrific camovalues and heable armorprofile
strong condor
There is reason why top clans spam 268's in clan wars
iron lynx
Obj 268 is versatile
white wyvern
ok
elfin marlin
Grill needs a reverse speed buff. It is to slow for a light vehicle also a traverse buff is required cause it is horrible now
iron lynx
Eh
I'd say a camo buff is more important than the other two, but okay
teal olive
@fossil crag agreed. 100%. dont see why the IS4 should have every advantage over the rest of the heavies besides gun depression.
elfin marlin
I don’t have problems with the camo. Reversing is to slow and traverse is required. It is silly to make a huge turn when you driving
iron lynx
Eh
I had the opposite problems
I don't move around much since it's a sniper.
blissful isle
I am crying now,I lost ... I didn't get mastery badge..... I didn't get a praise....
spring pelican
No ace cuz you camped and farmed dmg
gilded pivot
Oof
blissful isle
I didn't camp
spring pelican
3rd medal says everything
gilded pivot
It's a t71... If u play it properly u run around like a mad man and spot
blissful isle
I was running like dump shooting blindly
twilit crystal
i mean even if he camped he still faced tier 8s
orchid grove
FWIW, Grille is only used in comp on maps where you need to climb/boost a TD, or on some Canal strats that rely on quickly relocating the TD and taking long range shots; otherwise, 268 is usually used for everything else
twilit crystal
i mean its true. You want the 268 when its time to rush in
unique scaffold
Grille is the better rushing tank wdym?
quick lichen
@unique scaffold prove it. Put your best player in it, tan tan obviously, and use a grille every match against us when we play you
teal olive
268 works better for literally everything besides relocating
unique scaffold
That's a bet, tantan doesnt have a grille but who cares he'll hack the game and give it to himself
fast meteor
Grille has some map advantages
spring pelican
@orchid grove forgot e3
unique scaffold
Tantan destroys e3s with a tier 0
clever void
🤐
spring pelican
whos tantan?
clever void
Ya. Who is this nub u speak of
fast meteor
Some pro of V clan... probably
low path
anyone else thinks that the midtiers (6-8) are pretty much no longer playable for tech tree tanks that are not exceptionally strong? (think VK36.01H)
wintry trout
IDEA: Make the KpzPz 70 a Tier 10, it would work much better up there
fast meteor
Yeah cause if u have kpz u can sell it for 15k gold