4005? Should have been good for poking corners on ambushes but it’s much less effective at that than it should be. Probably for the better. It will need someone to take hits for it and screen.
#tank-balance-discussion
hoary sorrel
twilit crystal
even if someone screens people will still tunnel it lol. The danger of its gun + large target+He = tunneled.
hoary sorrel
Right.
unique scaffold
I'm still very interested.
twilit crystal
im just commenting. Im pretty interested. I dont think it will appeal much to the avg pubbie so it probably gets nerfed soon coz pubbies generally dont like autoloaders coz they just will try to expose themselvees early as possible to do 500 dmg and then the enemy is in cover
Its obviously absolutely useless in tourneys too
unique scaffold
I think you are right. Due to Wargamings balance practice this thing is basically being created with a target on its back.
quick lichen
Uh what
We’ve yet to see it
Can’t call it useless
Canal would be an excellent map for a 4005
twilit crystal
i see it as too inflexible for tourneys. I dont know what its pub affects will be
unique scaffold
If the line is similar to the Console tree I'm thinking the grind itself will be fun.
The 55 to 65 % balancing practice that WG uses leaves me somewhat concerned about the treatment the 4005 may get in the future.
quick lichen
How can you say that when you’ve never played one or played against it lol
It’s got 3500 dpm and has the biggest clip in the game with 1380 in 6 seconds lol
hoary sorrel
Nothing huge
quick lichen
180 extra damage and 5 seconds less on mag reload than the 50b
If it doesn’t need to rotate, that’s huge
hoary sorrel
It’s only somewhat higher than 50b and 57 while being much less durable than either. Also why I mentioned camo, because that to me is what will make it useable or not.
quick lichen
The question is how and where you use it
twilit crystal
180 is pretty big tbh. its basically 1400 which makes a large diff
quick lichen
The awful part is the turret and hp
The mobility I bet is acceptable
Hesh at 65mm is disappointing
twilit crystal
the Apcr pen tho is e3 levles
on second thought I do see an occasional role for it in tourneys but I think its definetely more of a pub tank. The batchat is probably the ultimate good tourney tank and bad pub tank.
hoary sorrel
You all can have your 4005
I’m looking at the meme that is the badger
twilit crystal
badger will prob be toned down.
hoary sorrel
I hope so, it’s pretty ridiculous the way it is at the moment.
quick lichen
It would be absurd
queen dune
when it says talk with devs you would expect to talk with devs, but its mostly vets talking 🤔
a couple mods here and there, but no devs
hot nova
I dont think its too bad
the badger, I mean. since we have hitskins it should be easier to find the weakpoints, and the games are pretty fast paced anyways
distant river
Tell that to everyone who complains about the VK100
limber mesa
If it’s an auto loader I want it lol
hot nova
true.
teal olive
Why is the IS4 still a thing
distant river
Because it came after the IS3?
teal olive
Balance wise. Like... I don’t understand.
limber mesa
IS-4 is fine where it is
native sparrow
what buffs they adding to the wz blaze?
hushed fox
Big aim time buff, reverse speed buff. A bit more hit points
native sparrow
awesome XD i already love the blaze
hushed fox
Yea the aim time buff is big. Its pretty mobile too
native sparrow
aim time buff makes it so much better
wow its a 2.7 sec aim time now?
theyalso buffed jagd aim time?
dim field
Blaze bufff is exactly what it needed.
native sparrow
more then what it needed
midnight summit
Really, killed two tier seven tanks and this what I get plus another thing about the German tanks what happened to the HE guns you know guns on tank that take long time to reload but the HE shells pack makes almost unstopple even the Tiger’s armor is nerfed
cunning kindle
Lel "is4 is fine where it is"
I m not saying nerf it, coz i love it
But it definitely isnt "fine" lol
main tulip
Nerf the driver’s hatch and turret weakspot and it’d be fine
flat bane
N0 i almost have is4, let me atleast have some fun in it.
twilit crystal
the hull armor is fine imo. It needs a turret armor and perhaps a heat pen nerf to 320
main tulip
I don’t see a lot of is-4 drivers using heat anyway so idrc about the heat pen tbh
weary spindle
@twilit crystal if you plan to nerf hatch and pen with heat rounds on is4 then you need to nerf e100, because even now e100 can he shot is4 for 400 dmg even without penetration and if you nerf hatch it will be easier for e100 players. And is4 pen would be bad on heat ammo and it wouldn't pen the turet of e100 like it can now.
(sorry for my bad writing but i hope you understand what i mean)
twilit crystal
it has literally no turret weakspot even against 418 heat rounds
weary spindle
@twilit crystal I know it doesnt have weakspots but HE shot of e100 can splash damage 400 hp if he hits haches and it can because it is a lot bigger tank and it has decent gun depression.
thick rover
Doesn't the IS-7 Have a much better turret why are people complaining and the tank doesn't have gun depression like the T110E5
cunning kindle
@main tulip start playing tourneys, u'll see enuf is4s shooting heat to last u a lifetime
flat bane
@weary spindle any tank with a 150+mm cannon can HE any tank for 400 ( if it doesn't pen)
cunning kindle
^ thats untrue
flat bane
How?
cunning kindle
Hit a gun mantlet kf an is4 and u'll know
meager spruce
Because it depends where the HE hits
flat bane
Duh that what i ment
cunning kindle
Lel kk my bad
flat bane
Also, you can HE the roof or the side of the turret of a is4. Lol
iron lynx
You can also HE Grille 15 for zero damage so
flat bane
If you hit a tanks gun well duh it's going to do 0 dmg (depends on the angle)
indigo knot
The Is4 cupola kind of needs a bit of nerf .....it can bounce shots many times
weary spindle
If you nerf is4, e100 will take its place and then you need to nerf e100 and after all nerfs of e100 and is4 is7 will again be top heavy in tier 10.
flat bane
That makes no sense.... I'm sure if they did nerf the is4. Is7 will take it's place, not the E100.
indigo knot
Why would anyone play e100 in tournaments and in pub battles e100 is played more than Is4...
Noo 113 will take its place
flat bane
113 or is7, depends on how bad the nerf is
cunning kindle
Lel i dont get it, how does e100 take place of is4 after nerf
E100 is a mediocre tank which isnt even close to being op like is4
weary spindle
I know is 7 will take is4 place but i mean next in nerfing line not playstille
cunning kindle
No , a cupola nerf wont replace the is4
And worst case scenario it gets replaced by 113 coz is7 is underwhelming af rn
A cupola nerf will make the tank balanced, i mean even is7s turret can be penned if the shooting tank and the is7 r on flat ground, but for the is4,unless ur above it, u cant pen the turret
If u get lucky and hit the cheeks, thats ur only chance :/
weary spindle
Why not nerfing top speed and treverse speed on cupola and tracks.
I just played is4 and it doesnt need nerf. I dont want meds going and dominating tier10. We need lights that can destroy this meta so heavys and td need to be more cerful where they go and what they do.
keen lily
it needs buff xD
cunning kindle
U do realize that u want top speed and traverse speed nerfed and also at the same time u dont want meds dominating, plz just plz apply ur brain
A roof top nerf will fix it
indigo knot
Just my opinion though....E3 should be given gun dep nerf .....8 to 7or6 ....
unique scaffold
two words: scav, gravedigger.
pale lynx
what
grave bear
Is4 needs a nerf
if is4 is above you, or in turret depression, its turret it's completely unpenetrable, shooting he is useless since u cant even see its roof. make worse cheecks or bigger cupolas.
are you all sure that is4 is balanced? no one can pen him, and with his pen can go trough everyone (except hiself)
iron lynx
When you fire 3 successive AP shells to an IS-4 hull in a Grille, but somehow bounced all of them…
grave bear
the hull is ok, the most trollish hull in openfield but at least can be unpenetrable like the turret
iron lynx
I think I had an easier time penning Maus, and they're way slower.
grave bear
yes, with 364 heat pen, maus if not in sidescrape is an ez pen, even upper plate lmao, the turret also can be penned even at his best angle.
it's slower and has a way worse gun lmao
but at least is balanced cuz has super ram damage and 2500 hp
iron lynx
I remembered a Maus facing me, he did a good job angling the turret and hull after shooting at me, while I casually switched to HEAT and removed what remained of his health
indigo knot
That can be said for every Op tank in the ....aim for weak spots but do you think any competent player would let you do it easily .....
It can face hug tanks with impunity ....
weary spindle
It cant e100
cunning kindle
Oh wow, i aim and i pen my shots?, thank u so much, is ur real life name sherlock holmes by any chance?
Or maybe captain obvious?
regal root
Haha
cunning kindle
I m gonna get muted soon
regal root
Deadshot would be better than sherlock though 🤔
cunning kindle
Lel
indigo knot
How many times with consistency can E100 pen its tiny cupola (it might be the tinest cupola in the game infact)....and you can pen the turret ring of E100 with AP if not switch to gold
weary spindle
No dont aim just shot all over the map and then complain a tank is op.
indigo knot
Lol
cunning kindle
Yes thats what i do everyday brother
Teach me how to play sensei
elfin marlin
Can we stop whining about is-4 is op? I mean what is next..... First 183 is ruined, now is4 is on the list what is next? E100, maus, 263 front armor....? Just play the game, look for weak spots or flank them. The game is fine as it is and was so for many years but you all try to ruin it in your favor.
regal root
183 needed that anyway
cunning kindle
Lel i dont want it to be nerfed either but i dont like to see delusional ppl saying its not op, coz U cAn PeN tHeM iF u AiM
iron lynx
I don't think the FV183 is ruined
It's basically a high pen derp
weary spindle
elfin marlin
And stop crying about is-4 in tourneys... Everyone takes a strong tank in tournament but you get a lot of credits in tournaments so stop complaining.
183 is ruined and it shouldn't be
cunning kindle
I avged 4.2k dmg in it yesterday and all three were wins @iron lynx
Its still a no skill tank lel
regal root
@cunning kindle indeed
elfin marlin
183 is ruined.... Traverse speed nerf oke, dispersion nerf oke, camo nerf nerf is way to much. HESh dmg is 8 out of 10 time a low roll now
cunning kindle
Its
Not
Ruined
U
Wot?
unique scaffold
183 is fine now
iron lynx
As if a massive 183mm firing from a 3mx3m bush and not spotted is not broken
It will only be ruined if you take away the alpha
regal root
Well then oberst doesn't know what actually is meaning of being Ruined
cunning kindle
Lel now he edits to blame low rolls, lol u think everythings a conspiracy theory, "wg nerfed its alpha rolls"
elfin marlin
You all are MT players that's why you all hate it
regal root
I see no angle that 183 is even a bit ruined with that nerf ,it needed it anyway
iron lynx
Nope, I am a TD player.
unique scaffold
It had better camo than the grille. That was absurd.
The 183 is fine now
elfin marlin
Maybe so but it has nerfed to much
thick rover
Why are people suddenly complaint about the IS-4 I don't understand, it does not have the gun depression to shoot over ridge well so why does a turret weakspot being easier to pen matter? IS-7 turret much stronger than IS-4 turret and no one complains about it? Why are you even aiming at it's turret unless it's hulldown. Even when it's hulldown and youre using something like E5 you can shoot it while it can barely get the gun down at a ridge so the turret being strong does not matter, when it can't shoot you
regal root
It needs more nerf to be honest ,but it's okiee for now
unique scaffold
Nope. It is fine now
iron lynx
The camo nerf is probably the most important
cunning kindle
Keep going about how 183 is ruined while i one shot this waffle in a 1 v7 and do 1.6k in a whitewash loss and top the team in dmg just coz the enemy were yoloing, so much skill required
So balanced
regal root
Twice it happened that 183 1 shot my grille too ,so yeah
unique scaffold
Exactly. A low skill tank was made a smidge harder to play... boo hoo
cunning kindle
@regal root dont say that dude, ppl are gonna blame u for playing bad
elfin marlin
Your own mistakes for not taking enough cover or yo loins. Not the 183 fault
regal root
Hahaha, @cunning kindle I know
But what am saying is stop crying about 183 to peeps
cunning kindle
i perfectly predicted that lmao
iron lynx
All I can say is: The current nerf that the FV183 received is well deserved.
elfin marlin
It was never an issue in the game even wg agreed with it but the most complaints were from LT/MT drivers that couldn't get to him
cunning kindle
"wg agreed with it"
Still got nerfed
Lmao cud u tell me where wg said that the tank is okay?
elfin marlin
And to keep the clients happy they nerfed it
cunning kindle
Looking at u and many others, i think mosr of the clients r 183 spammers so i m pretty sure wg did it for balance reasons and not to keep "clients happy"
iron lynx
I'm not sure if LT/MT drivers were the majority of 'clients' of WG.
elfin marlin
In a vid.... They said they thought it was fine as it was but to come along with complainers they nerfed it
cunning kindle
Cud u send link of the vid plz?
Pm it
wraith lance
Wasn't that like 2 yrs ago? @elfin marlin
unique scaffold
Any tank that can put down 3k+ dmg in a handful of shots with ever leaving spawn is a bad mechanic. You keep saying it is because of med and light drivers. That is a bold faced lie. Based off of what I see here and in the forum the majority of the playerbase said it needed a nerf. The only people who seem to be upset are the career 183 drivers.
elfin marlin
Certainly not the TD drivers
regal root
Why is oberst so sad about 183 when it's really fine still,I mean if u have even lil skills ,u can do good in 183
cunning kindle
Lmao send the vid link plz, cos i know wg dint say that
Unless its from two yeara ago lel
ivory crypt
I can see why the 183 got nerfed, but can it get back some of its traverse lmao
elfin marlin
NOS few months abo
cunning kindle
Send the link den
regal root
In my first 4 Games of 183, I did an avg of 3.5k and am nnot good td player ,so definitely 183 is still good for its current position
ivory crypt
Literally the only part I was rly sad about
unique scaffold
I've played the 183 after the nerf. It was just as easy to play as I had expected.
elfin marlin
Look it up on yt. I don't have the links either. It was in a live stream
cunning kindle
says wg said it was ok in a vid
Doesnt send link to vid
Press X to doubt
X
Lol he wants me to search for the vid after using it as his main defense for his argument
unique scaffold
Learn to play another tank. Instead of crying because a tank that was almost universally hated for being a drag on higher tier matches was kicked back as notch
elfin marlin
Do not try to humiliate me @cunning kindle
ivory crypt
I can snipe with it, and I can also be aggressive with it, so I can say that it's still decent
cunning kindle
I m not even trying lol, ur doing it urself by presenting statements that wg dint make
elfin marlin
I have no trouble in playing 183. I have aced the whole at line
unique scaffold
If you are going to use a video as the crux of your argument it is on you to support the evidence @elfin marlin
cunning kindle
Ikr @unique scaffold
elfin marlin
Look it up on yt blitz official . I certainly not watching hours of stream back so to please you
unique scaffold
"I have no trouble in playing 183. I have aced the whole at line"
Oberst_Leutnant1
So then why does the tank need a buff 🤣
ivory crypt
The nerf is unfortunate as I got just like 2 weeks before it got nerfed, but I can see why they did.
Also I only rly get it cuz big booms
unique scaffold
Then don't use it as your proof if you aren't willing to provide it to back your point up. It isn't on us to do your homework for you.
cunning kindle
@elfin marlin then stop presenting it as an argument coz as far as i m concerned as long as u dont send the vid, ur argument is invalid
ivory crypt
Even skipped the entire line lmao
iron lynx
The main point of the FV183 is the gun.
And the gun is not ruined, with all the other stats being in acceptable bounds.
So how.exactly.is.it.ruined?
elfin marlin
I dint say it needs a buff. Omg do you need glasses? I said camo nerf was a bit to far
unique scaffold
Removing the camo nerf would be a buff smart guy.
ivory crypt
Pretty sure they nerfed the dispersion, but most it is fine ye
elfin marlin
Didn't I agreed with all nerfs but the camo one?
cunning kindle
Actually we were arguing about u saying that 183 is ruined while its clearly not ruined
unique scaffold
The tank is fine as is. It needed the camo nerf more than anything else.
cunning kindle
come on keep it going, i was enjoying myself
regal root
@elfin marlin just skip this topic frn 🙂 🙂
cunning kindle
@regal root :'(
regal root
@cunning kindle hahah, how about speak?? 🤔
cunning kindle
lets not discuss this in public k 😅
unique scaffold
The point has been made. Let's let this die.
cunning kindle
I'd be delighted if he sends the link to the vid and revives this
unique scaffold
smh
cunning kindle
u a 183 buff enthusiast boi?
unique scaffold
Nah. Now he is just PMing me after I asked him not to.
cunning kindle
👌
elfin marlin
@unique scaffold yeah you are a true loser
meager spruce
oof salt
cunning kindle
Finally, we r at the final stage
Insulting the person who makes sense
unique scaffold
That's all I needed. Thanks.
elfin marlin
He speaks only for his own church
I pm you not after you asked me not too. Lying now too
unique scaffold
The side that has to devolve to insults is usually the side that has lost the discussion
cunning kindle
but y r u pming is the real question
Is it the link to thw vid👍
unique scaffold
Really? I'm the liar here? Here is a lesson in providing evidence to back up your case. Take notes @elfin marlin
elfin marlin
The side that doesn't answer on a example made in pm is the real one losing a discussion
cunning kindle
😂
Lol how is he a loser, this was a public discussion
U made it personal
U started insulting
U started losing too
elfin marlin
Nice adding
dusky oxide
@elfin marlin its funny how you start with complaing about people --"whining"-- providing valuable arguments about situations where the is4 is definitely op and then go on crying and literally getting angry about your 183 getting nerfed :D
cunning kindle
^^^^ oof oof
dusky oxide
This channel is about balance and balance revolves around all the tanks that can meet eachother in battle. Because of that one individuals narrowminded view on what they think is relevant for the meta will always be wrong.
jade cargoBOT
Oberst_Leutnant1#1746 has been warned.
west torrent
Now let’s move on please and thank you
jade cargoBOT
Oberst_Leutnant1#1746 has been warned.
unique scaffold
lmao
cunning kindle
Lmao that 2 nd reaction doe
regal root
Double warning is too much 🤔
Well np ,let him get calm
dusky oxide
He got warned again for saying "ty for the warn but i just dont give a damn". I'd say he got off lucky since the mod realized hes just a kid. @regal root
unique scaffold
nah just ban already
cunning kindle
That 2nd reaction when noticed by a mod wud do that @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@cunning kindle u do it
cunning kindle
Do what? This is balance discussion, i m not here for fun (mostly)
regal root
Yea,he must be annoyed ,hehe
Let him stay off ,getting ban won't be nice
unique scaffold
Let it be please.
dusky oxide
I wonder how the rumoured new hitskins will affect battling heavies like the is4 since theres oftentimes panels on the is4 bounce when they appear grey.
ember plinth
This was fun
cunning kindle
@ember plinth #off-topic-discussion plz
dusky oxide
The hitskins look very weird as you'd be used to seeing yellow only when using HE.
regal root
Hmmm,
west torrent
@dusky oxide most likely people will either 1 not shoot, or 2 just shoot at the yellow and slightly red still in hopes of penning, it I guess 3 just shoot at the tank and not even look at armor models
unique scaffold
Mostly option 3.
iron lynx
Well it is HE
Anywhere is good enough
dusky oxide
Simple enough :D There isnt gonna be a psychological rethink in penning stuff but rather just players getting more accurate estimates on their shots.
warm kernel
Can we buff 13 75 gun elevation?
grave bear
@thick rover what tue heck are u speaking about? E5 can pen is4's turret when in hulldown? how? the only weakspot is the super small gun port next to gun mantlet. everywhere it's totally red, no penetrable cheecks since you would need more than 530 penetration, hatch doesnt matter because if is in depression you cant see it and yes, 6 degrees of depression are enough. IS-7's turret is not even close to be as solid as is4's one, is7 has way worse sides, it's bigger, has super weak cupola on the roof and it's penetrable in the cheecks with only 300mm heat pen. not even close to is4's turret really.
also dont forgrt that is7 has less gun depression than is4 and has an useless gold pen, 314 vs 364. is4 and is7 both in hulldown: is4 cant be penetrated, has better depression and way better penetration,
is7 is penetrable in the cheecks, has less depression and way less penetration.
how can someone complains about is7 lmao? it's just 1k times weaker than is4 in anything
midnight summit
How about give The British tanks less armor I want historical accuracy like a Tiger killing a Sherman in one shot and two shots if it was Fury
grave bear
So you mean less hp, and lmao if you want historical accuracy give to german tanks 70% less mobility and self destroying tracks after 25 meters
btw, sherman and fury are exactly the same tank
slim rivet
Also, u can stop playing game and find another 1
unique scaffold
@midnight summit
midnight summit
Yeah but the British weren’t any better
Okay at least give The Stug and Hertzer back their HE cannons
dusky oxide
On the balance channel btw
unique scaffold
If you came to Blitz looking for realism you may have made a wrong move. This is a historically themed arcade game.
Derp cannons are gone from lower tiers. I doubt they are coming back. Lower tiers are meant to be a learning environment for new players. Getting derped 30 seconds in is not conducive to learning.
midnight summit
The Stug is a Tier V tank and AntiTank Artiliary
unique scaffold
Not balance. Moving on.
vocal dew
WaR tHuNdeR
midnight summit
Of course it was balanced I specifically said the it took on an AT2 that tank is in balanced due to its armor
But the point is these tanks were built like that
grave bear
stop spamming pointless stuff here please
unique scaffold
@midnight summit stop. Delete those please
tranquil wadi
Multiple ppl already respectfully asked you to stop
midnight summit
Fine I’ll stop bringing up I just want to see if anyone agrees at all it seems I’m all alone in this subject
jade cargoBOT
Oberst_Leutnant1#1746 was muted
dusky oxide
That didnt take long
latent crane
to give everyone a chance at season tourneys yall should let keyboard and mouse user in the tourney nt just touch users
thick rover
@grave bear Don't blame your misinterpretations on me. I said that on a ridge tanks like the E5 can shoot at the IS-4 (as a tank) while the IS-4 can't get over the ridge and shoot in return. If the tank is unable to do damage on a ridge effectively why does it's armour matter that much when it doesn't even do damage in return? IS-7 is not even significant enough compared to the IS-4 size. Both are hard to pen in general so whichever is "harder" to pen doesn't really matter that much does it? Partly agree to your view that IS-7 turret is weaker, but it has mobility and better sides? If you want to defeat a heavy shouldn't you be aiming at body weakspots instead of it's turret (exlcuding the Germans) the turret is meant to be tough to be able to effectively hold the line. Other tanks have worst turrets cause they have DPM/depression..
dusky oxide
Because youre not always going to be on a ridge and the IS-4 has such a good armor profile that it only needs to hide its small lower plat. it wont need much of target area to shoot back either when it has TD amounts of prammo pen. A tank is not stuck to a specific position on the map. Still, its common for a med to struggle with is4 sides when its unpellable from any point at a 35° angle when in turn an IS-7s drivewheel area is an easy pen.
twilit crystal
is7 actually has slightly pennable cheeks. Starting at 330 pen a still is7 will probably get penned in the cheeks if the player aims. The is4 has no weakspots
dusky oxide
Lets face it, the only reason for the IS-4 to have such good performance is for people to choose it over the is7 so it maintains popularity. Its just a bland vehicle desing that doesnt bring enough interesting aspects to the game in terms of features or playstyle.
unique scaffold
A repeat from yesterday. Type 64 needs better acceleration and a slightly higher top end speed.
quartz crown
@twilit crystal turret cheeks, shoulder plates and cupolas?
twilit crystal
im saying hull down the is4 has no weakspots. The cupolas are literally impossible to hit lol
quartz crown
You can heat turret cheeks, AP if you’re super confident in yourself. Or just he the tank. And it’s not like you should take engages against Hull down is-4, or just simply overwhelm with dpm.
dusky oxide
You can only spam the heat in a heavy/td and you can only easily flank it in a med/light. Still doesnt sound like a very flexible game mechanic.
The cheeks are way too small. The tank doesnt have enough weakspots.
slender kindle
When your facing an is4 in hulldown there is a weak spot left of his gun
With med t8 apcr (258mm)
thick rover
The IS-7 Also has “no weakspots” when hulldown if it’s moving about as it should be
umbral fern
That's such a lie. The IS-7 gets penned by everything unless it's a true hull down where you have cover on all sides and lower glacius plate And even then a Grille 15 can punch through it so can the obj TDs
wanton beacon
@slender kindle but it is right of it's
flat bane
Tds can pen the is7s turret when using paramo 👌
umbral fern
Then I must get that stuff spammed at me
slender kindle
@wanton beacon I said when your facing it not when your in is4
dusky oxide
@slender kindle thats facehugging it. Being at a 2 meter distance is a very different situation. Try hitting that at even 100m
slender kindle
Yea @dusky oxide ur right but it used to be penned sometimes , it works pretty well for me in medium distance
wanton beacon
@slender kindle , u are right
dusky oxide
@slender kindle Its better than trying to aim for the roof if youre not above it for sure. I wish the drivers hatch was a weakspot like on the is6 since the shoulder plates of the is4 are so strong.
thick rover
@umbral fern I'm sorry I didnt know there was fake hulldown I believe by hulldown we mean facing one enemy since we are talking about tank individual balance by shaking back and forth no td can reliably pen it's turret
twilit crystal
i can pen the is7 turret with my e50m heat reliably. Good accuracy but low pen
unique scaffold
@civic oar same for me 😦
civic oar
@unique scaffoldnice
thick rover
@twilit crystal The front?
twilit crystal
yeah
unique scaffold
I can't connect to the Eu server ...
calm frost
@unique scaffold server is down
unique scaffold
ok nice 😂
jade cargoBOT
BogdanM4#1478 was muted
quick lichen
@calm frost pfp change now
calm frost
@quick lichen give me a second
quick lichen
Thank you
calm frost
@quick lichen is it good now?
calm frost
@quick lichen ok
thick rover
assuming the is-7 is a bot that sits down there or what
quick lichen
That’s because the bat has bad ap pen and isn’t running calibrated
supple jolt
Also the is4 isn't even angled
slender kindle
Remember when is4 has better sides armour
weary spindle
@quick lichen i know bc has bad pen, but the point is that this is very bad position for is 7 and it can still bounce.
If you put is4 an is7 in best position they can be they are both unpenetrible,but it is a lot harder to put is 7 in great position.
teal olive
Lol IS4 is far from “ok” at tier ten.
hardy heron
Is4 needs a dpm buff
slender kindle
In random its boring but in cw it's op
white vessel
Just drive forward and youll be good
unique scaffold
Foch 155 need a barrels
white vessel
Maybe use the op heat
visual nimbus
:^
quick lichen
@hardy heron LOL
hardy heron
@quick lichen low alphalpha
meager spruce
so what? It is already a very very good tank
dusky oxide
Good one, @hardy heron 😂
quick lichen
@hardy heron you’re a funny guy
hardy heron
Once ive ground out that kv4 the is4 will be minen
quick lichen
Read #devs-answers
grave bear
Lmao, using tier 2 penetration gun, says "this tank has more armor than the other" when they both are just big red balls
use 270 pen gun, is7 is easy penetrable in the whole tracks, is4 is penetrable in a super small plate that is at least 1/6 the size of is7's tracks.
the weakspot next to is4's gun mantlet is impossible to hit in a real battle, and also, if an is4 is facehugging you in a 7v7 battle, you probably did everything wrong. 50+ meters, is4 has totally unpenetrable turret.
" or you can also shoot he!" lLMAO, let's make 10000 effective armor tank everywhere except roof, and say it's balanced because if you"re lucky you can do 400 dmg HE with a 15cm gun.
slender kindle
Lollllll
Yea I know but u say we gonna do wrong in random for face hugging an is4
grave bear
wasnt referring to you but to @weary spindle
hot nova
plenty of tanks can pen is4 if you run your calibrated shells. is4 is right where it should be for balance
grave bear
@hot nova i was speaking of the turret, unless it's a 30wr player, turret is unpenetrable in hulldown
hot nova
well yeah the turret is pretty strong, no ever said it isnt. but st1 is better for hulldown than is4
grave bear
St-1 has super big and easy penetrable cupola with golds.
slender kindle
Lol, so all tanks are ez pen in turret with golds if sti is ez to pen
hot nova
it also has the gun depression to hide those cupolas. the gun depression just makes it a bit more flexible overall. and no, not every tank is an ez turret pen with golds, even running calibrated
grave bear
that cupola is as big as e75/vk45b's ones. just thicker.
is4 has No weakspots. even with gold, everything is 540mm+. you need only pinpoint accuracy
@hot nova compared to is4's turret, st-1's one is an ez pen yes. even with fv215b's apcr cant aim is4's weakspot at 50 meters., i mean, i aim it, but 0.264 min accuracy isnt enough
hot nova
yeah, that hatch is super small. like I said tho, is4 has a rough time going hulldown cuz it lacks gun depression
smoky yoke
Isn't that the same for wz 113 facehugging course , wz 133 is second or third most used heavy after Maus. I honestly haven't played tier 10 enough in recent time only tournaments.
hot nova
an st1 has more hulldown options because it can keep its ufp visible, since it has gun depression to do it. I mean, its ufp will be unpennable pretty much when using gun depression over a ridge
grave bear
the problem isnt the turret's strongness, the problem is that is4 can pen everyone else with his op heats, and cant be penned at same time. it's like making a Krangvan with T57's gun.
totally unbalanced. krang is unpenetrable in hulldown, but is balanced because it has weak gun compared to other autoloaders.
i've played is4, have no troubles going hulldown. 6 degrees are really enough for that low profile tank.
hardy heron
@quick lichen
hot nova
are you refering to the dpm? that is just fine for a tier X heavy with the armor and mobility it has dude. even tho the heat is strong it has plenty of other drawbacks
grave bear
@hardy heron fun fact is that is7 has around 2300 dpm
hardy heron
@hot nova vyt helsing is t7 and has very good armour and mobility for t7
hot nova
yeah. the mobility and armor make up for it, the is tanks are pretty mobile
grave bear
Another fun fact is that there are plenty of low tier tds with more dpm than tier X heavies
and again another fun fact is that all tier X heavy tanks has less dpm than is4 except wz113, fv215b and autoloaders
hot nova
high tier heavies arent about the firepower, they are about the armor. and helsing is a way easier pen tier for tier than is4. wait, I thought e5 has about the same dpm as the t57 heavy....?
grave bear
the problem of is4's armor is that IS THE ONLY ONE in the game capable of reaching the "100% unpenetrable spot
@hot nova nop, e5 has way less, t57 has same dpm as 50b
rancid flame
E3 is stupid levels of better than the E4, how fix? Discuss.
hot nova
e5 has 2850 dpm, t57 has 2836, according to blitz hangar. thats if they run rammer / vents, accordingly. Id say run calibrated for both tho, which is probs where the difference falls
at which point there is about a 120 dpm difference
both have 373 heat pen running that, so which tank to run is more on your armor preference. is4 has 2452 dpm with calibrated shells, so e5 is still more dpm
thats all three tanks, im fairly certain blitzstars doesnt have the stats quite correct on some parts but its certainly easier to compare tanks on it. I hope im not breaking the rules by sharing links.....
<@&481447501690568709> would it be fine for me to spoiler tag those links? they take a ton of space. or would it be better for me to just delete em
worthy basin
It's fine if they take space, just let them be =)
hot nova
ok, thx man
anyway, its weird that e5 is listed for low dpm, cuz its about the same as t57, very minor dpm difference
west torrent
Add a < to the beginning and a > to the end
@hot nova of each link
It disables the embed
Lol, just copy my message and paste it in
hot nova
ok didnt realize that
modern rapids
@hot novaand its thanks wo (man)
hot nova
no probs, i still use "man" about the same as "dude" tho
hot nova
oh well, thats a bummer dude. lol
modern rapids
😂
visual nimbus
Lmao
weary spindle
Ok is4 has not been bufed or nerfed i think it is over a year (correct me if i am wrong)
Why do you have problem with tank now
grave bear
is4 got buffed 3 times @weary spindle
weary spindle
Only buff i can remember is front hull.
weary spindle
@grave bear no it isnt you can always pen a tenk just aim for week spot.
And pen on 113 is 335 and on e100 is 334 so dont tell me is4 has broken pen on heat rounds. Its pen is 340 if you didnt know.
grave bear
i know you genius. 340 is broken since can be 364 with calibrated shells.
is4's turret in hulldown has only 1 weakspot, that cant even be aimed by fv215b's apcr with 0.264 accuracy since it's too small.
thick rover
It does not have that good DPM/alpha and excels only in armour and maybe a little monility so I think it's armour is fair. If you are not confident in brawling an IS-4 hulldown then don't face it. Many tier x heavies are also almost impossible to hit when hulldown and moving back and forth despite differing armour profile
twilit crystal
the 113 and e100 depend more on their guns than the armor. Sure people say the e100 has armor but we know the turret these days is useless thx to 350+heat
limber mesa
E 100 doesn’t have good armor, anything can load the gold and it becomes butter
lunar niche
IS4, E5 and T57 gets 374 HEAT pen with CS. Thats TD lvl of pen for an extra second or two of reload time.
limber mesa
And 220/240 alpha less
sullen vault
The e100s turret can be very usable unlike the 113s.ya heat can pen sort of but still easily managable
teal olive
113 has hella good turret
clever void
Why 113 no good? Seems fantastic
sullen vault
113 is good until a pinch of heat is used,also 113 is just fustrating to play.nice paper stats but put it in motion,i rather play the is7.
limber mesa
IS-4 master race lol
supple jolt
The wz113 turret is weaker than the tier 8 of the branch other than the cupola
weary spindle
@grave bear e100 can have almost same pen with calibrated shells 357 and it is more useful because it then has 100 he pen with 960 dmg. And e100 has good armour if angled correctly. That seams op doesn't.
This is so op, but only if angled correctly
wanton beacon
it is a little hard in a real game.
iron lynx
E100 is kinda ez pen for Grille with regular AP, provided it isn't hulldown
hoary sorrel
What?
grave bear
@weary spindle are you trying to say i dont know how to angle it correctly? i have 4k+ battles in it, i know perfecly how to use e100, and i also know how weak it is.
the turret at the best angle is 340 frontal - 335 sides
against 374 heat pen is penetrable everywhere so it's totally useless. lower plate is super weak and will never be more than 300mm unless you're downhill or show your entire side.
and 357 - 374 is not even close to be same pen.
regal abyss
The lack of armour fire power and more so
grave bear
? what do you want lmao? buff all tanks in your team cause you lost? actually, smasher, jgpz iv, chi-ri, t29, comer and bulldog are all super super good tanks for their tier. none of them needs a buff.
twilit crystal
uh chi ri prob does. It may have a really good autoloader but its basically a fv4005 with garbage penetraton
grave bear
chi-ri is super good
it can ezly kill a tier 8 in a few
weary spindle
@grave beari was wrong with pen numbers. And you all ignored 100 he pen.
I will stop with pictures but is4 is not op. It is just easy to play.
dark pike
smasher deserves the nerf bat
indigo knot
Is4 is OP .....you can ask any player who uses it even in tournaments @weary spindle
hazy lichen
Didn’t rumors/WG say the AMX 30 line would be tech tree eventually?
hoary sorrel
Never
meager spruce
^^^
frozen plover
Its a dream
hazy lichen
I dont mind chests so long as there’s Smashers :p
grave bear
@weary spindle lmao e100 has not 100 he pen
weary spindle
Ok it hase 94 if you want to be precise @grave bear
grave bear
@weary spindle like every 15cm+ gun
to be precise it has one of the lowest HE pen, since others have 99
weary spindle
And is 4 has great mobility like every russian tank an armour and gun
grave bear
is4 has unpenetrable turret, combined with above average accuracy and highest heat pen, with more mobility than super heavies with half his turret armor
that's the problem.
and fun fact; angled is4 has better hull armor than angled e100.
260 lower plate and 300 sides in the weakest point vs
265 lower plate 265 sides in the weakest point
with this im not saying nerf is4's hull, im saying that its unpenetrable turret is not balanced by his weak hull, because is not weak.
weary spindle
grave bear
lmao, angle it
it has 140mm all over the side, excluding a super small 50mm plate
grave bear
learn to read
e100 is even easier to pen
is4 is 260mm and 300mm, Obviusly 367 heat can go trough it anywhere.
e100 is 265mm and 265mm.
basically you need ap
thick rover
@weary spindle Exactly don't know what they are going on about when the tank has been like that for like a year
grave bear
@thick rover no. the tank got changed many times lmao...
it had 140 frontal armor and 160 sides at the begin, then it got buffed to 160 frontal and 160 sides, with also turret roof buff. and then got nerfed by 20mm of side armor.
teal olive
@weary spindle do I need to show you why that won’t work? Never have I been able to pen an IS4s upper hull when at that angle
unique scaffold
Nice thing about playing lights and mediums. If I see a IS-4 in that position I just leave
weary spindle
@teal olive because you cant aim?
thick rover
@grave bear Lmao get your facts right the changes you were just talking about was close to a year ago -_- which is what I said. Those changes have been there for such a long time and people only dig it up now?
@weary spindle Sick HAHAHA
teal olive
Yeah @unique scaffold the IS4 is impossible to pen from Meds perspective, no side of turret or anything. But if you aim you can always hit lower plate, but a half-smart IS4 driver will never give you a chance to sit and aim
dusky oxide
You cant just directly compare an E100 with its turret angled to an is4 since the E100 will get penned in the turret cheeks when it has to aim at the target shooting at it.
"Is4 is not op its just easy to play" Thats what makes it so op, it has no downsides that other heavies have for good gun performance, stellar armor or very capable mobility, it does well in all those aspects without sacrifice. And they are very easily applicable main features which will work in every most situations a heavy will face.
"Learn to aim" Why dont you learn how to debate.
weary spindle
@unique scaffold yes because when you see e100 or 113 or fv you just go ram them. We dont need logic and tactics in game.
quick lichen
@weary spindle if the e100 is so much better than the is4, why does everyone use is4s in comp and you never see e100s?
Paper stats and models are exactly that. Paper. In reality the e100 gets heat spammed to death and the e100 struggles to pen the is4
teal olive
@weary spindle why don’t you please either have an actual debate, or remove your sarcastic self from it.
iron lynx
I think what makes a tank OP is not an outright better stat, but that it has a little bit of everything above average.
Take the WZ 120 1 FT for example.
It isn't the highest damaging tank, or the fastest TD, or the most armored, or the highest traverse speed.
But it has a bit of everything, and it makes it OP.
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iron lynx
Bad boi play OP tenks
weary spindle
@quick lichen e100 needs to flatten its armour to shot. When it does that he gets destroyed or shot.
And it is played a lot because it is good not op.
It does not excel in any stat it has ok gun and gun handeling it has great armour. Its top speed could be reduced.
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iron lynx
Yeah the WZ 120 1 FT is downright overpowered.
Despite not excelling in any stat.
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teal olive
WZ 120 FT is pure pay to win. Here’s how you play it. Rush meds, get first shot off, back up and angle, they try to aim but bounce heat anyway, by then, you’re reloaded and hit them with another one. Repeat until all are dead. Then use your medium speed to literally flank the heavies and wreck em.
iron lynx
Yeah ik, it is blatantly OP.
But anyway, you cannot actually see its OPness if you only looked through its stats on paper.
quick lichen
In reality, the e100 is never “perfectly” angled and there’s almost always somewhere where 374 mm heat can pen it @weary spindle
teal olive
That is true, I made the mistake of not buying it because I checked paper stats first.
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quick lichen
If you can’t grasp the idea that there’s a difference on paper and in practice, then you don’t understand blitz
iron lynx
It is less skill demanding than most other tier 8s tho.
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unique scaffold
That’s kinda terrible luck
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unique scaffold
Yeah but 5 times by the same player, you must have been unlucky this one time
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iron lynx
Well yeah, but when the ammoracks are sitting behind a thick steel plate with an insane angle, it will be a tad hard to get the ammoracks.
Btw I bounced 3 consecutive AP shots on the WZ front in the Rhm.
Then I gave up and switched to HEAT.
Armor is too thicc
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clever void
OP.
iron lynx
Yeah, but if you, in a TD, needs to actually aim at weakspots against a tank that can go 50km/h, I would say it is a tad OP.
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iron lynx
It is a tad OP against TDs.
But meds and lights are a completely different story.
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iron lynx
No no
That's the OP thing about it.
Along with the armor.
Because if a TD needs to aim at weakspots to even stand a chance to pen, how do you think meds and lights are gonna pen it unless they use prammo?
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dusky oxide
@weary spindle "is4 is played a lot because its good, not op" OP means that a tank performs too well. When a tank is just 'good' it doesnt always perform well in anyones hands or most situations. You can play it all you want but dont try to make us believe that youre contributing to balance. People play the IS-4 because it performs better than the IS-7. Without the improved performance the IS-4 would just be a bland design with nothing unique to offer. Versatility should also come at a cost.
iron lynx
That's the point.
The WZ 120 1 FT is a TD.
TDs have an inherent weakness to lights and meds due to the absence of a turret.
They need to rely on teammates to keep off lights and meds so they don't get circled. For example, the SU-101 traverses too slowly to keep up with lights, and the Rhm, despite having a turret, has bad armor pennable with HE.
The WZ 120 1 FT mitigates this by having an extreme traverse speed, so it is practically unflankable.
The very sloped armor blocks most light/med shells, bar some high pen ones like you mentioned.
So that means the only counter to the WZ is either teamwork, or a small pool of medium tanks that can actually penetrate it's armor.
dusky oxide
True, and t8 meds and lights have a low dpm cap so the wz will have time to counter them.
iron lynx
You know a tank is OP when you had to list down the tanks that can counter them, instead of the tanks that cannot counter them...
dusky oxide
:D its not even just how tough the tank is to face, its also complete easy mode to play.
teal olive
@quick lichen ofc I understand the difference? Why else do you think I’d be arguing over the E100 and IS4 on the #tank-balance-discussion channel?
quick lichen
None of what I said was directed at you...
teal olive
The E100 should be a total BEAST on paper but it’s nothing compared to IS4 in the actual game.
quick lichen
Lose the attitude
teal olive
*Curb. But alright I will.
weary spindle
@quick lichen @dusky oxide @teal olive ok lets say is4 is op (it is not).
What would you nerf?
teal olive
I’d give it a weak spot to start, so that you can’t just hide your lower plate then automatically become invincible.
weary spindle
@teal olivehach weakspots or?
dusky oxide
For armor either the hatch weakspot, more prominent cupolas or weaker shoulder plates to require some skill for baiting shots. Theres many options to nerfing such a simple tank like the is4.
quick lichen
teal olive
^^^ maybe having the roof nerfed a tad bit would be nice.... not fun when an IS4 facehugs a jageroo and it cant pen 380mm through its roof of the turret when it’s right below it
quick lichen
@weary spindle is4 is op
Either nerf the turret roof or the front upper plate
It got both in one buff and that’s what made it op
teal olive
And don’t say the maus is just because the wr is a tad bit higher, the maus’s average damage is so much less.
quick lichen
55-65% players are used for the stats
They know usually not to damage farm in a maus
Hence wr over damage
dusky oxide
And maus is way more situational, its not as simple to play as the is4. Still influential ofc.
weary spindle
@dusky oxideok that tank is created for side scraping so i dont think weak shoulder plates is god idea.
About cupola, it is still bad idea because tank is very low to the ground, and i see e100 as its rival. But i think smal hatch would not be bad idea, like is7 hatch or a little bit bigger.
quartz steeple
I can easily kill an is 4 in a 1v1 .... all tier x german elephants are so tall they can actually do dmg to turret top
weary spindle
@J a @teal olive nerfing dpm is reasonable because it is created for deflecting not dealing demage.
@quick lichen i dont care about chart.
dusky oxide
The tank should either be a good sidescraper or have excellent frontal armor, not both.
thick rover
Isn’t the IS-7 “invincible” hulldown I don’t think it’s realistic to think that you could reliably pen its turret with HEAT or whatnot if it’s moving back and forth
dusky oxide
The is7 still has a bigger lower plate and a drivewheel area thats easy to pen at a shallow angle. Additionally it cant spam high-pen heat in return
thick rover
IS-7 is also both an excellent sidescrape and it has good front armour? I think it’s acceptable since it’s a “true heavy” with good front and side Armour, it is coupled with bad DPM and poor gun depression. If people really want to nerf it I belief the turret forehead armour nerf or hatch armour nerf would be better than a hatch size nerf
dusky oxide
Is7 can only sit against one enemy hull down, whereas the is4 front profile allows for it to bounce at an angle as better.
Who said anything about sidescraping in an is7? :D
quick lichen
@weary spindle ok. Just make sure the tin foil hat isn’t too tight
thick rover
Um I believe you mentioned a tank should not have excellent side scraping armour and frontal armour so that was my answer to that...
weary spindle
@dusky oxide
Is7 has more trol armour and have more bounces against meds
dusky oxide
If u want a tank to have an excellent armor profile for both facing head on and sidescraping, there need to be some big downsides to other aspects.
@weary spindle is7 is way easier to pen in a med in my experience.
thick rover
And I was talking about hulldown because someone mentioned about it being unfair or some sort that the IS-4 Can simply hide it’s lower glaciers and become invincible but it appears that person has edited his answer or deleted it
dusky oxide
I dont think you realize that we arent talking about the tank being too good in a certain situation, we are talking about it being op because it excels in most situations @thick rover
indigo knot
No point of discussing with him.....he ain't gonna listen and say Is4 is balanced .....its been happening for past 2-3 days
weary spindle
@dusky oxide
Track is very close to armour, any 150 mm or more gun can he it fore at least 400 hp
thick rover
Its kinda relative IS-4 can easily cause bounces with a slight shift of angles but IS-7 has crazy spaced armour that absorbs APCR like a black hole and aiming at the upper side hull it’s not always reliable because certain meds do not have that kind of accuracy
dusky oxide
its not only strong hull down, it can also sidescrape and doesnt have a problem penning other other heavies.
teal olive
Oh noooo the tank isn’t invincible against HE. And what happens when the tank isn’t some giant TD gun? Pretty sad when your reasoning for it not being OP is that a Jag or 183 can HE splash it.
thick rover
But I’m not saying which is easier to pen shrugs
weary spindle
Bcause this armour exels in most situations
quartz steeple
Literally is 4 is useless against tds
thick rover
I think cutting down on sarcasm will make your arguments clearer or people may misinterpret it
teal olive
Lmao My jag bouncing 380mm HEAT on its roof When directly above it disagrees. Also love it when the IS4 snaps back and easily pens my superstructure with its normal AP rounds and as soon as I’m too far away it switches to heat and just pens me like butter... but it also happens that I’m slower and have no turret
dusky oxide
Oh man, looks like we're back to square one. 4 people telling you youre wrong and even one of them being räikkönen. You couldnt even explain the charts.
indigo knot
A hatch or turret room is needed for Is4 nerf
ashen tiger
Why not just shoot the upper plate? You could pen that with AP.......
thick rover
IS-4’s AP can pen jag Super structure? Or calibrated shells maybe I don’t run calibrated on it
@ashen tiger Cause it’s hugging the jag
indigo knot
Buff the Grille.....
ashen tiger
You should still be able to see the upper plate a bit, or the engine deck behind the turret
thick rover
Yep a buff to the Grille sounds good IMO maybe a little to the camo or gun depression or traverse
dusky oxide
@quartz steeple how is the is4 worse at countering tds compared to other heavies with that much armor
@thick rover why would you shoot the upper hull when you have apcr and you can just shoot at the bottom since you dont have to care about the tracks?
ashen tiger
A td can just load gold and spam it through your upper plate no matter how you angle
weary spindle
@dusky oxide the picture i showed you is on regular shels of td and it is green a lot.
dusky oxide
@ashen tiger and it cant do that to other heavie that have that good side, turret and frontal armor?
Its not like a td wouldn do that to another heavy. That doesnt make your dmg crutch balanced
quartz steeple
@dusky oxide lets take situtation in which a td lets say ummm a obj.268 is against it ..... it has depression to pen its armor headon if its facehugging and accuracy to snipe even its far so tell me i wrong and is 4 is invincible to dat and we shall continue on sayin it op ... other heavies will meet similar fate ......
thick rover
@dusky oxide Well cause some shells fly elsewhere from where I aimed and tracks eat APCR sometimes too as they are still spaced armour though less frequent
weary spindle
@dusky oxide
dusky oxide
@quartz steeple a tank destroyer is supposed to have pen. Your is4 cant reliably bounce a t10 td with the second best penetration values? Lets buff it again so you can sit in front of them with ease.
@thick rover how is aiming at the smaller upper portion still better? No wonder youre having trouble
weary spindle
@dusky oxide
This is called balance
quartz steeple
Exactly
weary spindle
Angle correctly and you will not get penned
dusky oxide
This is called talking to a wall. But keep playing the is4, it will make you a worse player in other tanks.
I wont start the debate all over, multiple people habe told you how you cant directly compare an e100 with its turret angled
weary spindle
@dusky oxide.
Ok i will just grint my sp1c and get 65wn% in over 100 battles
teal olive
Show the stats please
weary spindle
It could use nerf.
For me it is top speed by 5 km and dpm for 200/minute but that is about it.
dusky oxide
You already know my stance on the subject. Still want to disagree? Fine, have fun arguing the next guy
teal olive
Oh wait I’ve already seen it on blitzstars. But I won’t stat shame here
weary spindle
@teal olive
teal olive
Seen the whole profile m8. I’m not gonna say anything though.
thick rover
@dusky oxide I am sorry my RNG is not as good as yours to be able to shoot the tracks all the time. My point was that IS-7 sides eat shells better than IS-4. IS-7 has spaced armour, thicker sides, and thicker tracks shooting at it in general causes a non penetration in more cases than IS-4 so I was just saying they are both not easy to pen in a medium though I am not sure which is harder. Then learn to aim if you find it harder to pen the IS-4.
Believe he was talking about his SP1C and 100 battles only LOL
weary spindle
62% last 30 days, 59% i think not sure last 90 days
I actually dont care about you @teal olive, but you wanted stats.
Is4 can be nerf but not armour
teal olive
What would you propose?
weary spindle
dusky oxide
@thick rover in contrary, my point is that the weakest panel of the side of the is7 is 100mm while on the is4 ts 140mm. The top part youve been shooting on the is7 is 150mm. So no wonder you find the is4 easier to pen :D I suggest you download armor inspector
@weary spindle u sure u posted the right image there?
weary spindle
@dusky oxide
He asked me what i purpose fore nerfing?
quick lichen
The speed and dpm don’t make it op
clever mauve
Yeh
weary spindle
@quick lichen
True it is not op.
teal olive
WHAT
quick lichen
You’re funny
ivory fractal
That’s not what he said @weary spindle
dusky oxide
Actually 12 yo :D
weary spindle
@ivory fractal.
He seed speed and dpm doesnt make it op, but his armour is not op so it isnt op.
cunning kindle
Ikr this guy has been sending the same pic of armor inspector and saying is4 isnt op
Altho i dont want it to get nerfed but i dont like ppl giving other ppl wrong info
ivory fractal
@weary spindle by now I’m beginning to think you’re trolling, don’t misquote people
dusky oxide
🍎 look guys this apple is green.
weary spindle
@quick lichen
By the charts maus is op 113 and is4 while 183 needs a buff.
shadow dawn
183 needs a nerf in alfa
teal olive
Compare maus to IS4 avg dmg
sharp abyss
The 183 doesn't need a nerf
meager spruce
^^^
shadow dawn
Or make it accurate as a kv2
quick lichen
You realize that the is4 is a super heavy right @weary spindle
183 needs to be removed
shadow dawn
Replaced by stage2?
thick rover
@@dusky oxide Eliminating the thickness of the tracks from the equation, that is true. But the 100mm is so small compared to the larger portion of space armour which has added effect against APCR shells from mediums. My point was that shooting the IS-7 In the side can result in non penetrations cause they got absorbed by spaced armour while IS-4 has raw armour except tracks. Well we both argue in two different scopes so I guess both are right to a certain extent. I'll be leaving the discussion here, goodnight :)) had fun debating with you
Think sipjo just doesn't have that good of a grasp of English we can't really blame his misinterpretation LOL
@quick lichen Isn't that flawed cause it's not the "first" in winrate nor damage and the E50M is 3rd in winrate and 1st damage so is it overpowered? There will always be a tank that gets the top position, but I'm not gonna contest your reply goodnight
shadow dawn
Or no 183mm bannanas?
weary spindle
@ivory fractal
I wont any more but they do same things as me.
Is4 in flat is bad with its armour and dpm.
@sharp abyss i dont think it does but charts sey it does. It is still cancer of tier 10.
@quick lichen.
So you want to remove armour from super heavy tank. Seams logical
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shadow dawn
Oh
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quick lichen
@thick rover the e50m might be the best medium but the gap isn’t nearly as ridiculous
Is4 to is7 is a massive gap
unique scaffold
Oof no more 183s?
shadow dawn
So the stage one is an autoloader and the stage 2 is that potato cannon
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quick lichen
@weary spindle is4 isn’t supposed to be a super heavy but it’s clear I’m arguing with a rock
If you want to think that an e100 has better armor than an is4, I hope you’re on the red team and I have enough heat for you
😂
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unique scaffold
But the stage 2 has a wierd turret but i feel it should keep the 183 or or make it a 182
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shadow dawn
I own a is8 and the heat is just... superheavies worst nightmare after the 183
unique scaffold
My bad
dusky oxide
@thick rover I see your point but the 100mm strip is still the same size as the 140mm bit even when you factor in the tracks. But youre right about the is4 having a more accurate estimate of wether you pen it or not depending on your position. Goodnight man, these discussions are more fun to me that the actual gameplay :D
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shadow dawn
HEll yeah
unique scaffold
How would this effect matchmaking tho
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shadow dawn
I think the stage 1 will be like the t57 but more mobile and less armour
unique scaffold
If i remember one of the fvs are considered a arty but the maps wouldnt work for the certian tds struggle as it is
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shadow dawn
With decent gun handling
weary spindle
@quick lichen.
I never said e100 has better armour.
Also the whole line of is4 is sidescraping tanks so is4 shouldn't be different.if you see is4 on flat it is easy to pen from front but the tank is usualy hidding that lower plate. If you remove the side scraping abiliti what do you have left.
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quick lichen
In your picture you over angled the is4 by a ton but ok
unique scaffold
Idk how to use any of the is series any on mind teaching me
shadow dawn
Is3 dont angle... is8... go play more like a med if you get bottom tiered and is7... send everyone to gulag
unique scaffold
What about is
frozen nymph
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unique scaffold
Ok well i will be on
weary spindle
Is4 is not op becuse of its armour. I can pen is4 with my is 4 without cb shels..
I dont want to debate you any more. Goodbye.
indigo knot
Thats wot pc inspector.....???? I wanted to ask coz in pc Is4 has less frontal armour than in Blitz
grave bear
as far as i remember, wot blitz turret was the same as pc
they buffed that hatch too hard
quick lichen
No. They buffed the turret hatch
indigo knot
Please buff Grille 15......
quick lichen
You need to be shooting crazy far down on it to pen
grave bear
now is basically unpenetrable, more than 540 armor (if you're able to see the hatch)
btw is4 can be penned by any 175+ pen gun, aim for side weak spot
twilit crystal
@quick lichen either that or a 183
teal olive
@grave bear where’s the spot
strong tundra
Thanks for ruining two good tanks. 100P has become a bad heavium, cant even hull down thanks to the cupla. Maschen is basically useless now. A lumbering easy to pen tank. Thanx for nothing. Stop listening to cry baby nubs for the love of tanks.
meager spruce
@strong tundra they were not listening to crybabies, they were looking at the statistics
twilit crystal
lol at those stats tho. Those stats had so many possible forms of bias and are absolute garbage in most scenarios. They can help a bit with tanks like the 183 which has an extremely large sample of players
strong tundra
Oh don't give that 'they are looking at stats stupidity. All they saw is oops we made 2 decent F2P tanks. they now need to be nerfed.
limber mesa
I do believe that they should have been nerfed, but they seem to have been a bit over nerfed
strong tundra
My front armor is getting penned by LIGHT tanks... let that sink in... ya. 100P is no longer a decent tank. It's been completely ruined by the nerf. Lower plate is lower so you have to hull down more but OH oops. The cupla also was nerfed so now its EVEN more easy to pen that sooo ya good luck hulling down.
limber mesa
I would have just nerfed the cupola a little bit and made the gun slightly less accurate on the VK, the mauschen seemed fine to me imo
strong tundra
now if they got rid of the cupla completely as with the Maus then maybe we could work sething out.
The VK reload is slow enough that it's accuracy i think is fine. If it had similar reload to IS5 then i could see the accuracy getting nerfed
grave bear
Vk100, slowest tier 8 heavy tank, even with angling, its lower plate is still worse than is5's one, which is x2 times faster, and has infinitr times better turret. gg wg.
lunar niche
Incoming Obj 252U will probably have near impenetrable turret too lol.
sterile shore
Mauschen didn’t need the nerf
quick lichen
@sterile shore #devs-answers
strong tundra
Those charts are skewed. Here’s why:
1: Noobs can not deal with pros who know how to angle good solid steel armor.
2: the the VK and WZ both had heavy WR over the others. Anyone with brains will realize that both these tanks are relatively new and players are still working on learning how to fight them. However- 95% of anyone who is on WOTB looks at base stats, and stops there.
Example1 :On my account i am routinely harassed for being a 48% however- looking at my deep stats shows an improving WR, average damage and XP earned.
thick rover
^Indeed. Many times those unicums have a more than 1 account and the previous accounts are where they store their not-as-good winrate
dusky oxide
As a 48%er, you should know how easy it was to get good results in the vk and the mauschen. The charts compare performance in different tanks with the same caliber of player. You cant say the tank is overperforming just because there would be pros playing it since the other tanks are played by pros too. No other balanced new line has had such a high avg dmg and wr months after introduction.
U guys think unicums are some people so obsessive about their stats that they all have another account where they can lose without having a panic attack? Theyre just normal players that happen to be good at the game. @strong tundra
twilit crystal
@dusky oxide i can say that the proportion of players who played it was closer to 65% than 55%. Thats how the stats are skewed. I didnt feel the vk 100p was particularily op. I enjoyed bringing it out and it was a perfect counter to IS spam. It wasnt that good against other tier 8 tanks.
dusky oxide
And im not saying those charts are a the best way to balance tanks since the tanks end up being balanced to limit the ability of the best players and favoring the not-so-good. But it cant be interpreted in the way you describe. @strong tundra
@twilit crystal how can you know that?
twilit crystal
How is that not a reasonable explanation? Do I know it for certain? No. But do I know that WG's 55 to 65% balancing charts are absolute garbage because of this bias possibility arising? Yes
dusky oxide
Well then you cant simply state that the vk was played by more experienced players. @twilit crystal
twilit crystal
Yes I can. I can state that between the avg 55 to 65% there was more people closer to 65 than 55%. Those charts are absolute garbage because of taht reason along with the balancing overall being heavily biased towards nubs by punishing good players
dusky oxide
I wish wg looked at other kinds of charts that included a wider spectrum too but to make the assumption that you know who played the tank is incorrect.
twilit crystal
Can I make that assumption? No. But those charts are not valid proof that the tank is OP
limber mesa
Soon ya boi is going to be a part of that 55%+ lol
twilit crystal
Coz ur winrate is dropping?
limber mesa
No, it’s going up lol
Like .06% under 55% career win rate
dusky oxide
Its still comparing how much influence a tank has in battle. Just because its not perfect doenst mean it doesnt give you an estimate. With how big the difference in wr & dmg is compared to other tanks, its safe to say that the vk and mauschen were op
thick rover
I mean they will usually start a game normal like us but they are willing to sacrifice account and start anew once they get a grip of the game, hence a second account with much better stats and the better players will get unicums stats, at leas thats what I observe in a few of my unicums friends
limber mesa
According to blitz stars I will have that in 152 battles, cause with 22k battles win rate doesn’t move too much
dusky oxide
There will never be a perfect chart for you to look at if data is only gathered from sampling. Thats not to say sampling is an ineffectice way to gather data.
@thick rover youre right about that. But i dont see it affecting the vks and mauschens wr by much if thats what you were pointing to.
@thick rover my time to go to sleep now :D gn, good to see u again.
thick rover
Nope was not fighting for anything about the VK or charts, just his point about 48% getting shamed, as I was in the past
Goooooodddnite
twilit crystal
@dusky oxide a better way to do it would be to take a random sample of 100 players and compare their vk winrate to their 30 day winrate.
This would be a much more effective way of showing it than taking a stupidly large interval of players and combining them all together. The difference between a 55er and 65er is huge
strong tundra
It can’t be interpreted the way i describe? It absolutely can.
Let me explain in baby terms.
There are 2 relatively new tanks. According to the chart Both have high WR. Because they are new mainly skilled players have obtained them. The noobs cant figure out how to fight them because... well they are noobs. The charts DO NOT reflect the affect that being brand new has on the WR.
twilit crystal
@strong tundra u dont understand the charts either sadly. Its sad how little percent of the playerbase understands the garbage charts.
strong tundra
If they garbage then get rid of them, and yes i do understand them🙄
twilit crystal
@dusky oxide almost everyone agrees the Kpf is either a horrible or atlesat UP tank. Yet WG stats shows that its balanced and actually a bit OP. I wonder why?
flat bane
The tumor on the top turret of kv4 needs to get removed 🤔
twilit epoch
Are there really Devs in here? I have an API question for a dev.
thick rover
Maybe you can go to support?
modern wagon
@flat bane I actually like the KV-4's tumor turret. Gives players a choice of that turret or the one at stock. I always preferred the stock. Turret traverse is a little better with it.
main tulip
VK 100.01 was nerfed way too hard. Never needed a nerf in the first place
twin egret
first of all, which VK @main tulip
main tulip
@flat bane tbh I kinda like the way the top turret’s tumour looks on the kv-4. It’s already kinda tricky to pen at range, maybe buff it by 10-15mm would make it pretty reasonable.
indigo knot
@twilit crystal truth be told there are players who still auto aim and fight the armoured tanks frontly by rushing on them in there RU leo1 T49s or any other tank and then sit there like what used to happen in tier 4 or 5 before 5.5. They never bothered flanking. There are no proper tutorials while in PC there are good videos(was watching a video of side scraping and angling recently and it brilliantly made). And due to this tanks like Maus Vk100p E50M M48PATTON Mauschen E3 Foch have such high WR.
main tulip
@indigo knot E50M’s armour on paper is not that good, it’s just that it’s wicked quick so it’s really hard to aim at the weakspots.
indigo knot
Yup I agree but most of the times meds themselves come rushing to it and then die fighting it head on and autoaiming its front plate.
main tulip
I believe that wg should really work on some quality tutorials for blitz, and make them integrated into the game and not just youtube videos. In these tutorials, they could point out key strategies to fighting certain tanks, such as aiming at the lower glacis of german tanks, explaining pike noses, and hull-down positions thoroughly.
dusky oxide
@twilit crystal naturally its hard to compare the performance of a tank when half the players got it by competing. U understand that right?
And how is it underpowered? It works fine as a support tank.
twilit crystal
It has literally less dpm and alpha than a tier 7 heavy tank with the t7 heavy not struggling for pen.
dusky oxide
You cant compare a smasher to a kpz since the smasher is obviously op and usually fires HE.
unique scaffold
all these cool premium tanks and i can’t get a hold of them
dusky oxide
Just start farming gold @unique scaffold
thorny bear
As much as some claim the Smasher is OP, I claim it’s one of the easiest to kill.
distant river
It depends on who is using it, and what sort of support they have
thorny bear
Well that could be said for any tank. But, to me, there are more formidable tanks at T7 than the Smasher.
distant river
Like what? The problem with the smasher is that it doesnt take a genius to do 2k dmg, and good players can easily do lots more
unique scaffold
So the problem with the Scavenger is that it is basically a KV-2?
low path
scavenger has way too much armor and fire power
also, make Dracula and Helsing collectables! 😛
limber mesa
The scavenger is not OP in the slightest lol
dim field
Why make Helsing and Drac collectables? Because they were event tanks?
limber mesa
Because if they are collectable tanks, they can be nerfed
Assuming that’s what he is thinking
royal gull
Honestly a minor nerf would be nice
dim field
They can be nerfed without being collector tanks.
royal gull
But it’s not gonna happen anytime soon due to their “no need Prems” policy
limber mesa
A premium tank has never been nerfed, as far as I know
wraith lance
They can but it wouldn't be nice from a business perspective to nerf a premium
wraith lance
I have a Helsing and I agree it needs at least a gun hanlding and a top speed nerf, 60 is too insane
dim field
Eula states they can nerf premiums. Most people just think any non tech tree tank has to be a collectable tank to get nerfed.
They don't usually nerf the premiums because the backlash and sometimes they just don't want to.
royal gull
You cannot literally out perform a helsing in a 1:1 battle at any given point , as Long as your armour fails to outshine it , you’re finished even though you have a better gun
limber mesa
Black prince might actually be able to 1v1 it
royal gull
Bruh that tank ruins my whole t7 career
limber mesa
Lol, I just got it last night, I call it the Broken Prince
dim field
You can deal with a helsing in a 1:1 but you don't even need to usually because it's a 7v7.
royal gull
The prince, It’s a dpm Monster , and it’s effective for picking off mostly unskilled players in the Asia server which ruins teams
limber mesa
I’ve only done 15 battles in it so far but have just under 1900 average damage lol
dim field
Gun handling is fine, maybe on the speed but i dunno. It's been a while since i actually played around with mine.
royal gull
Once had a battle , not even Two tanks managed to kill it , most likely might have been my teammates playing like trash , still won tho
twilit crystal
uh smasher
dim field
Most people don't take advantage of the fact the helsing has terrible turret traverse and will instead try to fight one hulldown or head on.
twilit crystal
*smasher heat eats through helsings
dim field
Kv-2 can one shot a helsing through the lower plate. Not an easy shot but doable if the helsing isn't hulldown. And any tank that is hulldown can be avoided especially if they're spotted.
spark star
VK100.01's nerf didnt do much aside from making people aim/get closer
its still stupid but not smasher stupid
please do nerf the traverse on the thing it can outmanuevre flankers and it pisses me off how a superheavy can basically fend of against the main counterclass when it really shouldnt
dim field
Undo the armor nerf and nerf the traverse instead.
unique scaffold
Don’t have stock tanks and do it like WoWSB u realize everyone thinks that game is way more successful and it’s by the same company so it’s not copyright🤔
Blueprints for upgrades so once u get all the blueprints not by being bored not being able to pen anything, by actually playing the tanks before it, all the stats could upgrade to it
median gust
mm
unique scaffold
Pls don’t hate on me I just wanna help
dim field
I don't mind stock tanks to an extent. Some are absolutely terrible don't get me wrong. But i like the concept of being able to get upgrades for a tank by playing it more. Much like in games where you have to use a weapon and get kills with it to unlock more gear for the weapon.
unique scaffold
That ones that are ok is what blueprints would do, only they would ALL be playable
flat bane
@main tulip yes, i perfer if they do buff it by a few mm
quiet ledge
Finally my KV-3 and T-34-2 are getting buffed, they're almost paper up front
twilit crystal
ok heavy tank view range is just insane. Literally got spotted at 270 meters with my batchat after fired to a wz 111 1-4
unique scaffold
Sup dude
I see u got veteran? Yea I also like bat chat mainly cuz I can move and have the derp
sharp ermine
Algum br aqui?
unique scaffold
Heavies need to lose coated optics as a equipment option.
twilit crystal
tbh its more that in general they need a view range nerf. The View ranges are very too packed together. 260 vs 250 is almost nothing
median gust
Takes like 10 metres to stop while speeding at 60kmh in a light tank
swift sparrow
You try reversing to stop?
unique scaffold
Nerf Smasher and KV2
dusky oxide
@swift sparrow the point isnt how fast a light can stop but how little effect such a small difference in vr between tank classes has.
flat bane
Smasher is a kv2 at t7 that underwent some genetical changes
swift sparrow
@dusky oxide ok, but what's the discussion?
twilit epoch
Does anyone know why this category is call Chat with Devs? Are there any devs here?
swift sparrow
They hop on sometimes
twin egret
FV215b needs an armor buff it just can't do everything it can seem to do
twilit crystal
i mean it has the 2nd best turret in X after the is4
neon peak
Is7?
twin egret
Sidescraping? Armor doesn't matter to Premium rounds and HE rounds from big guns. Turret? A simple premium round can pen it.
@twilit crystal also your wrong, IS-4 barely can be penned by premium rounds. IS-7 is second to best turret
The T-22 Medium's Turret can't even be penned. A Medium has better turret armor than A Heavy Tank...
It doesn't make sense for a Heavy Tank (The FV215b Heavy) To have the same frontal hull armor as a Medium (The E 50 M)
twilit crystal
the e50m gives up penetration and dpm for that mobility. Also the lower plate is quite a bit larger than the FV
twin egret
@twilit crystal There's the T62 A with some identical stats to the E 50 M such as accuracy and dispersion
Than you have the WZ-113 with it's broken HEAT rounds...
FV215b just needs to be buffed DPM and armor wise, it's DPM needs to be slightly better than the WZ-113,it's pretty dumb for the WZ-113 to have the same DPM as the FV215b, especially when the WZ-113 has a lot of aspects that are copied from Russian Tanks
fast meteor
Well wz 113 is balanced atleast for me
twin egret
you can't even Side scrape effectively with the FV215b because you will always be penned by HEAT, HE and APCR rounds... the FV215b can't even engage with German 150mm guns because of overmatch mechanic thanks to the 50mm plate on the roof of the FV215b
fast meteor
So y do sidescraping with fv has such a good mobility and with dpm and gun handling...i do 3k+in it
twin egret
yeah but it shouldn't have the same DPM as the WZ-113
fast meteor
Have u ever used wz113 see it traverse
twin egret
yeah i've seen the WZ-113's traverse but how is it doing better than the FV215b in public battles
fast meteor
Well i see players doing more damage in fv other than wz
wind moat
Using enhance traverse speed maybe (slot 1 choice 3 number 2 i dont know the name)
twin egret
I just want the FV215b to be competitive
fringe briar
I think 215b is a pretty darn balanced
twin egret
IS-4 needs nerf
fringe briar
I also think is4 is fine but is7 needs a buff to compete with is4
wind moat
Ont forget RNG
twin egret
IS-4 needs nerf on turret traverse and reload
wind moat
*dont
sullen vault
Those are the worst and out of place nerfs you can do on the IS4
fringe briar
What, the turret traverse is slow as is.
sullen vault
its average for a heavy,if u wanna know what slow is check the 113.
fringe briar
Omg that is horrible, I think 113 needs a turret traverse at least a tad
sullen vault
Maybe give my 215b more Hesh pen,i would love such a buff for it.
fringe briar
Buff the T22 credit coefficient, its the tanks I loose the most credits in even with premium time
hexed island
Give the T32 more turret armor.
sullen vault
while you're at it,buff its top speed to something like 60
hexed island
Give it an auto loader and name change to “defender” too.
sullen vault
I think the autoloader needs a 2sec intra clip and 10sec reload with 3 shells
hexed island
Not enough. Pz 1.C Style auto loader. It really needs it
sullen vault
u right
twilit crystal
the t32 probably need a pen buff after the pramo nerf
gilded pivot
Could the cent 7/1 have 210 alpha on the tier 9 gun? (20pdr type b)
small tinsel
the 7/1 has HESH
small tinsel
👀 chat died..
main tulip
Guys wtf now everyone is naming themselves after a tank...
meager spruce
Idk
thick rover
Lol
tawny prairie
hello
finite haven
meager spruce
That is some old news
visual estuary
How can I get veteran rank
meager spruce
@visual estuary ***Hey folks! We're introducing a new role on this server for special members of the server, which is called the Veteran role. The requirements to qualify for the role are simple but take some dedication: you must have 25,000 battles on your account and a 50% career winrate. If you qualify and you would like to receive the role, here are the following steps.
- Change your nickname on the server to your WoT Blitz in-game name. It must stay that way if you wish to have the Veteran role.
- PM a Moderator (me, for example) with the request for the role.
- Send a moderator a message through in the in-game chat to prove its your account. You will need a moderator from your server region (for example, i can only do this with EU players for this step.)
- Once that is all done, the moderator will send your username to a WG Staff member, and you will have the role soon. Probably within 1-2 days, or less.***
manic coyote
@meager spruce 👀
meager spruce
@manic coyote what?
manic coyote
Hello @meager spruce
meager spruce
Hello...
outer ridge
hi
drowsy latch
slim rivet
Pls nerf tier 8 med centurion !
onyx fiber
wtf
slim rivet
Trust me @onyx fiber
dusky oxide
slim rivet
I know^^ but can’t complain about t34-2 since is getting a buff @dusky oxide
modest lotus
Lol wat ru talking about. Second lowest aver wr and u think it should be made worst. What a logical idea..... @slim rivet
slim rivet
Nah My English is just retarded. I wanted to say BUFF, obviously @modest lotus
modest lotus
Nerf means they are making it worst. Buff means better
slim rivet
Ik (In principle)
cunning kindle
:hahayes:
junior tulip
@slim rivet I'm glad it's getting a buff... AFTER I'VE ALREADY GRINDED THROUGH IT
keen lily
Lmao im sure it's fine
junior tulip
@keen lily yeah, I didn't think it needed a buff whatsoever, it's like my highest winrate to highest battles ratio tank in the game
keen lily
Lmao my foch got nerfed but i still maintained 60%wr with 200+ battles,got one of the most epic masteries of all so..buff or nerf.. play well = earn well
junior tulip
Yeah, I shouldn't have sold my t-34-2, I had like 300+ battles in it, it was like sealclubbing good to me
twilit crystal
the vk is literally useless now. It has the lower glacis of a chinese heavy except it doesnt have the profile or turret armor of one
junior tulip
I'm glad, now they just need to restore the German bias by buffing the tiger 2
twilit crystal
its so useless even the tiger 2 is better than the vk 100 p in armor profile rn
modest lotus
Ya they had to restore premium supremacy back to t8 lol
twilit crystal
screw it the vk 45a is better
modest lotus
Hah
twilit crystal
actually the amx 50 100 tbh. I didnt mind the gun handling nerf which tbh was pretty good for a 460 dmg gun at tier 8 but the tank literally was a super heavy
modest lotus
Too many p2p player writing wgs tickets about the vk100. Lol jk
Ya the gun handing makes sense to me having grinder it but u can’t take its armor to. Smh
Mauschen was really op. Haven’t played it since the nerf tho.
smoky yoke
Got to say mauschen was a little better than vk 45.02B Still prefer faster tanks you have better chance of getting in good positions but Mauschen would be awesome with platoon. Sadly I didn't try that course all I wanted was the Maus
Can't delete the above picture just get to edit text. I would say Mauschen survives way longer with multiple players in red team than my vk 45.02 but vk45.02 tank is capable of doing way more dmg in the beginning of the battle so you don't have to face all those tanks
grave bear
buff tiger II
balmy cipher
why buff the tiger 2 it's good as it is vk 28 01 should get a lit bit faster reload cuz the dpm sucks
distant river
"its good as it is" more like its good at tier 6
manic coyote
Buff wz blaze penetration
median gust
Tiger II has been powercreeped
dim field
I think Blaze it pretty good as is
lost bough
Tiger 2 has been buffed!?
blissful spear
Blaze also was just buffed...
dim field
Powercreeped does not mean buffed.
Yeah Blaze was just buffed and it's lovely. I can be more agressive now with that faster reverse speed and aim time. Pop in pop out
lost bough
What happened with tiger 2!?
meager spruce
@lost bough here is the meaning of powercreep. power creep (uncountable) (collectible games, video games, role-playing games) The situation where updates to a game introduce more powerful units or abilities, leaving the older ones underpowered.
lost bough
Ok thx
grave bear
i was joking btw, tiger II is my fav tier 8, even tho it's a bit underpowered
unique scaffold
Is the reason why this game isn’t realistic like my WoT PS4 game bc then u have to snipe? Ppl die quick I like arty even tho it’s hard
earnest spear
I wonder what will happen to tier 7 if the smasher isn't nerfed. It might not be because it cost real money
Maybe they might just buff it and Put it in tier 8, or make all the teir 7 tanks op
crystal spoke
It doesnt really need to be nerfed
thorny bear
^
zealous oriole
smasher is op af
crystal spoke
I disagree
teal olive
How could you possibly think it’s balanced
crystal spoke
Its armour its speed and there are other tanks that have similar guns at the same teir
dense nebula
Hi
dim field
It's more balanced tier for tier than Kv-2. Yes the smasher can hit really hard but in tier 7 it's also going up against some other hard hitters. Blaze, Helsing, Su-152, Mini Mutant to name a few but really if people focus it then the smasher can get smashed. Smasher is nice but wouldn't say it's broken or Op. Or rather it's possibly too soon to say.
crystal spoke
The su152 even has 539 more dpm then the smasher
And even the grave digger can penn it frontally
sullen vault
su-152 is a td so its suppose to be superior in firepower
Su dpm is also compensated because of no turret unlike smasher.
dim field
Smasher is a taller target
twilit crystal
a turret is insanely important in blitz. The jageroo gets a much better gun with a slightly better reload and more pen with 160 more alpha in exchange for the turret
teal olive
Explain to me why all of it’s stats are better or similar to the borsig besides camo and pen but it’s a tier down
crystal spoke
Because its gun and speed is very similar but the rest isnt
teal olive
Yeah, it’s different. It’s BETTER. Better armor, gun handling, etc. tier 7... borsig tier 8. very balanced
crystal spoke
It's a heavy that's easily penned that is worse in mobility and can be taken out alot easier then the borsig
ivory crypt
taken out alot easier than borsig
I'm sorry wat? Borsig literally has no armor, sure it has camo to compensate that, but if that thing gets spotted you'd be lucky to not get HEd to death
crystal spoke
How I've been told (I dont have it ) is that you snipe in the borsig or try to second line it while derp tanks like the smasher you second line and since the smasher has a higher silloute its easier to hit and has less places it can hid it also is more likely to be spotted since it's more likely to be closer to the front line
iron lynx
Well, the Borsig has better AP pen.
But I do think the Smasher is near-OP.
clever mauve
Hey so what’s gonna happen for April fools???
thin condor
Everyone gets a badger
clever mauve
Lol bet
gilded pivot
That's a laugh
thin condor
Wish xd
remote bramble
i hope the don't remove the current FV183 with the new cardboard box one
twilit crystal
they arent. You can continue to be useless to your team and rage about mm and wonder why you lose
modest lotus
😂
unique scaffold
Wo bin ich hier
slate leaf
lmao
rancid orchid
Smasher sucks. There should be no reason for a KV-2 at tier 7 to be more accurate than the KV-2 itself. 2nd is that it practically 1 shots anything that crosses it gun. And 3rd why the hell would you give it KV-4 armor. Thats all too op for tier 6 and 7 alike. Also it should be able to be one shotted like the KV-2. So either nerf the smashee or remove it and give players compensation for it.
iron lynx
Don't forget it has 250 HEAT pen
rancid orchid
Mhmm
raw oar
Or sell it for an expensive amount.
Oh ? Nvm
empty charm
U can kill Smasher when he is in reload, and if your team is not so stupid and drives directly in front of his gun. Same like KV-2. Kill Shmasher as Team.
ivory crypt
as team
That's the hard part
mental seal
Wargaming, can we get the 120 fps for PC players ?
deft owl
Can we fix At15 0mm armor behind the gun please? Its so stupid even tier 6 tanks can penetrate there.
twilit crystal
its a weak spot. Unlike the other at tanks it has a pretty small cupola
dusky oxide
???
dark pike
nothing wrong with heat, just that the HEAT round hit your tracks and was absorbed
mental seal
heat its like HE so its normal
flat zephyr
Pls players perm
unique scaffold
moin
dark pike
oh the round hit the gun, unfortunate
unique scaffold
The T54E1 really should have a HE round for its top gun.
twilit crystal
the t54e1 should get back 350 alpha dmg to give space for the skoda t50 lol
unique scaffold
A hit to the gun does nor guarantee that it takes module damage
unique scaffold
thats no good for ya ear
safe canopy
just give me the 350 alpha on the batchat
west aspen
Bulldog's M32 late gun fires too rapidly... 🤔 Must be nerfed a bit on reload
twilit crystal
dude the comet literally has better rof
west aspen
Bulldog fires faster than comet i judged
twilit crystal
the bulldog has 2.6k comet has 2.8k
bulldog gets better gun handling but worse pen values coz Heat premium and better mobility but slightly less dpm and no armor. However the mobility is really good
quick lichen
When you argue with stats
deft owl
@twilit crystal At15a (tier7 premium) doesnt have it.
meager spruce
uuum, can someone else break down the news for this guy. He is confused
ivory fractal
@unique scaffold it’s only available on the RU server (registration for it is closed now)
dusky oxide
Its the guys who come here with like their first mastery on a tank and need to humble brag like yeah... 🤔 Hmm I think this tank needs a nerf now who amuse me
twilit crystal
anyway from whawt I heard is that its another small update with no british tds
final harbor
bob semple should be tier 10
deft owl
@final harbor It should be tier 11. At tier 10 it will be blatantly overpowered.
brisk lily
Let it fight modern MBTs
Then it’s balanced
thick wharf
let it fight Italian tanks and it would be balanced
sudden dragon
Aaaa
soft egret
anyone else lately see the need for the maus to have a tiny armor buff??
i have both the muaschen and maus its tier nine counterpart seems for more adapt in combat armor wise then the maus
i mean dont get me wrong i have mastery badges in my maus but i shouldnt have tanks pen me as easily with my maus whereas the muaschen dosnt really have a worry in the world against tier 9s and 10s
twilit crystal
i mean the maus is probably the only tank in the game that can be stuck in open ground and still bounce shots. Maybe the t95 too
soft egret
yes true but its tier nine counter-part can do just about the same
twilit crystal
not really coz the lower glacis pretty bad now
soft egret
eh havnt noticed i sidescrape it does the job perfectly even in open space
teal olive
Honestly I played the mauschen pretty well and could bounce a ton of damage game (not so much dish out the damage lol) but that cupola really annoyed me, and the nerf to it makes it even worse.
soft egret
yes latley that cup has been annoying the ever living hell out of me
teal olive
I always wiggled the turret but there was just a chance that some TD might snap a shot into it anyway.
unique scaffold
I think t34-2 and t34-3 needs a speed reload buff
Or a better speed, bc 50km isnt enought
teal olive
Didn’t they both just get buffed? And 50KMH for the armor and guns they have Is PLENTY
unique scaffold
Well maybe for the t34-3, but the t34-2 that have 70mm, even less than a t54ltwt and even less speed that a type 59
And the t34-3 sides are paper, Just 45mm, even RNG cannot save u most of times
iron lynx
But the T-34-2 can blow four hundred damage in one shot.
And you don't actually have to aim as long as other tanks too.
unique scaffold
Yes thats true, his aim is so perfecto, but at meds situation like flank or turn around a heavy or td, its a bit difficult, i think need t34-2 +10mm on front and 54kmper hour speed, and t34-3 need 54km per hour and +15 mm on sides, Just my opinión bc i love t34-3
iron lynx
Hmm
I'm not sure about the T-34-3 since I don't have it.
But the T-34-2 is quite good currently.
Maybe a slight acceleration buff, but it is not really underpowered.
unique scaffold
The t34-3 is so good but the sides are paper, 45mm isnt enough lol, and i never said that both tank were underpowered, they are actually good tanks, Just a little buff it Will make more efficient on most of meds situations
iron lynx
Well they are kinda like fire support med tanks.
Unlike the T-44, or maybe the Panther II.
umbral fern
T-44 and Panther II are odd topics. Both have bad acceleration making them terrible for early game base caping while both don't have enough armor to play the role of a heavy. However they are fun tanks to play
However they are both equipped with good guns. They can sorta snipe and are fast enough to assist Lights and other meds in a push. These two are the "Heavies" of the medium tanks in my opinion.
unique scaffold
Nubs need buff
visual nimbus
By veterans directing them in the right direction without pissing on them for screwing up.
unique scaffold
@iron lynxbut t44 its an awesome tank, have better acceleration that some meds and decent frontal armor, i just have 200 battles and i love it
pallid basalt
How is type 59 a heavy med?
It's hull armor is bad but like most tanks at its tier turret is decent
T26e4 is slow and heavily armoured for a medium so I see that as a heavium
muted ibex
@unique scaffold
dim field
Heavy med is a slow moving medium that might have some decent armor.
Heavium is a heavy that moves faster than your average heavy but doesn't really have heavy armor
twin egret
FV215b is a heavium yet it has armor
honest fiber
The type 59 does have some troll armour and I quite often get bounces off the hull @pallid basalt
unique scaffold
@pallid basaltbad hull armor? Actually is good, 100mm
quick lichen
215b doesn’t have the mobility to be a heavium
coarse harness
100 mm with the 7° gundep is more than good
unique scaffold
Hi Blitz test server ip pls
keen lily
215b is bad at Sidescrapes
You can bounce if you shoot and hide type of sidescrape or een hull down
pallid basalt
100mm is no where near heavy standard
"chat with devs" even though they never respond
grave bear
lmao fv215 has 75mm not 100
it's 100mm only in a super small up strip, the whole side is 75 (or 70 )
and it's also flat, unlike e5
sullen vault
@pallid basalt wdym,they frequently respond in tournament,spring season and both test tank discussion.
teal olive
@unique scaffold wait it has that thin of sides??? Oooooo
pallid basalt
wg make all the tanks built to sidescrape have weak sides
@grave bear i was talking about type 59 btw, if you looked 6 messages up you would know
ivory fractal
drowsy plaza
Why are you trying to sidescrape a 215b 🤪
It’s a med killer - don’t try to hold a spot unless it’s hulldown
That tank is all about the gun. The turret is pretty good - but accurate Gun’s will plink the cupola
hearty fjord
I redownloaded the game after a while
drowsy plaza
217 needs a buff, needs to be able to carry more nubs. But seriously tier 9/10 are the best balanced tiers in game. If you are ranting about a current 9 or 10, it’s a you issue.
low talon
WG nerf Smasher plz
meager spruce
<@&481447501690568709> ^^^ also I like this color
drowsy plaza
<@&481447501690568709> cleanup on Aisle 4
worthy basin
Wth
jade cargoBOT
I can't find user @The.
worthy basin
D'awww! He left
meager spruce
I have his message saved
worthy basin
That might have been the most random thing I've yet seen on here 😂
drowsy plaza
#spambot
worthy basin
And thanks! I'm glad we finally got this colour. We (well some of us😂) have been campaigning for it since November 😂
teal olive
Wait what’d the guy do? Just a spam bot or somethin?
drowsy plaza
4 paragraphs of incoherent ramblings
unique scaffold
Can we get British voices for the English tanks?
versed fable
or female crew voice
drowsy plaza
183 is balanced as far as you can to make a ridiculous tank with massive alpha balanced for Blitz.
I’m hoping the FV217 Badger will replace the 183’s in our garages and we can live the rest of our Blitz lives without that HESH spamming monster.
median gust
Make it a tempting sell price of 10k gold so it's gone quick
clever void
Never. I will haunt you in your dreams with my perfectly balanced 183
unique scaffold
@teal oliveyep
drowsy plaza
If I where WG I would simply 1:1 them - replace it in the tech tree and leave folks stats - but pull the 183 from game. The alpha damage is just to problematic for Blitz. The camo nerf definitely helped - and it’s possible to still be effective in a 183, but the vast majority of 183 drivers are just useless to green teams.
smoky yoke
Wouldn't they be more useless in a tank that doesnt have to just point and shot? Course if they are below average in 183 ,would they be better in any other tank?
west zealot
If only I have 10 more seconds. It would be 1v6, dang it I was too slow to climb
safe canopy
i like how its posted in balance discussion, i think everyone is aware how OP the wz-120-1 FT is lol
deft owl
@safe canopy Well its balanced for wg so our opinion doesnt matter.
unique scaffold
its not
jade frigate
@low talon nope
placid fjord
Is there any way we can apply to be a tester for blitz?
I have always wanted to be one
brazen monolith
@versed fable a female crew doesn’t exist....
versed fable
the soviet would disagree with that