Maybe we shouldnt be talking avout mines, its a really far from a standard map desing.
#tank-balance-discussion
dusky oxide
distant river
The meds side of castilla needs a little rework, just to stop the side at the bottom of the slope camping all the time
dusky oxide
I dont think the fault of 3tds creating stagnant should be corrected with redisigning maps. And yes, to me it is a real problem because there genuinely are people who play this game just to sit in a corner and snipe like they are artillery.
cursive skiff
I think the hill at the back of Castilla is unfair on the other side, they don't reallly have a sniping spot
distant river
Both sides have too many camping spots
dusky oxide
No amount of symmetry will fix that map. Its not for tier x. The map is too small for tier x. Tanks cant fulfill their roles. Theres plenty of work for tds though :D
sullen vault
3 Tds is too influential imo,even if you correct the map that doesnt mean it'll automatically balance it out.
dusky oxide
What if tds lose coated optics and the track hp module?
sullen vault
most of them already lose that ability and no one uses the track hp equipment.Very poor question.
dusky oxide
Nvm it wouldnt really work because they still have the strenght in numbers. You maybe wont get close enough to take advantage.
distant river
The map is stagnant by design, but the town by the cap provides enough cover for spotting, and creates a nice crossfire over the heavies side. 3 TDs can be easily taken apart if you have a decent player spotting on castilla
dusky oxide
Losing coated optics shoulf come after the limiting if its needed. I dont think it would affect the stagnant situation we're talking about much since camping tds usually arent spotting for themselves
@distant river most people dont want to be that player. Thats a big risk to take and count on your team.
distant river
@dusky oxide not really, there is a lot of cover, and any TDs can't snipe you from the ridge. All you need to do is make sure you can take out anyone who has the same idea
dusky oxide
@sullen vault why wouldnt tds use the track hp module? A turretless td is about the best scenario to equip itm
lunar niche
Do camping TDs even use Coated Optics? I only use CO on slow big TDs like Jagdtiger and Jageru. I go with camo net on the rest
sullen vault
@dusky oxide zero usage.most players will just repair and go along,and once people double track it doesnt matter at that point.At that point you sacrifice toolbox which is just the better option.
dusky oxide
I wouldnt expect much tactical thinking from a pplayer that likes sitting on the hill and pressing a button :D but yeah, the coated optics are much more beneficial in the late game.
sullen vault
Also it only functions your track is repaired,getting it an extra traverse wont save from getting cod
It can go both ways tbf,camo net helps with ambush late game while coated helps you react just quicker.
dusky oxide
What do you mean zero usage? When you get shot in the track youre clearly using it.
Youre decreasing the amount of times your track gets completely taken out
sullen vault
Ughh but most of the time its gonna be a broken track if not then he just hit u there and thats it,like i said its not gonna help in cod situations when ur tracked or hes already in ur back.
I stated people just use repair if they get tracked,what it will it do when u get double tracked?toolbox lets u have higher chance of coming out alive than that
I have never heard in my life someone use the track module equipment because its pointless and useless in any situation versus the toolbox
dusky oxide
Its more of a preventive module vs a module that helps you get out of that situation faster
sullen vault
But the preventiveness is completely nullified by the fact if ur tracked ur done if not just repair and move along.
dusky oxide
You have to keep in mind that not every shot to the tracks is a tracking one.
sullen vault
K and? You're argument is depending on the fact of one sole situation making it useful while toolbox supports multiple.
dusky oxide
And if youre tracked you definitely arent done. Keep in mind the avg player skill. Theres even another module that gives you more traverse.
sullen vault
You're not getting my point.this is pointless to me.
dusky oxide
Its a situation in which a tank destroyer with limited or no turret traverse is at its most vulnerable. I wouldnt undersetimate it.
sullen vault
Comp it has zero usage actually it would be a disadvantage.Pubbies toolbox would support more situations and far more reliably.
dusky oxide
@sullen vault your point is that the toolbox will be used in more situations and my point is that it allows for a tank destroyer to have increased survivability in the most dnagerous situation it can face.
This is why you can choose.
sullen vault
I hardly agree and no.The moment someone tries to cod its useless.And if someone misses ur track then its just him making a grave mistake regardless of the equip.In what situation,when people go for track its gonna be always a track and that point ur just depending on rng which is never good in any given situation.
dusky oxide
The module will protect in that case when the player who didnt properly hit your track wheel would miss it again and only damage the track. You take away track hp with every hit. If you miss the tracking wheel but damage the track, it means its easier to destroy it completely. Yes?
sullen vault
What.
lunar niche
By that point, a med would have already rushed and flanked the TD though.
dusky oxide
You literally get more track hp. Its simple.
sullen vault
Nononono oh dear god okay sure im done with this convo.
dusky oxide
@sullen vault well, since you want to act childish about it. Im not sure youve read the module description.
Not every shot from every gun will always destroy your track. By increasing the hp of the tracks youre decreasing the chance of them getting destroyed. It means you dont have to waste a toolkit to keep moving because you invested in the decreased chance of getting tracked in the first place. In that situation you just get a damaged track, but not a destroyed one.
sullen vault
i dont see the point of the argument.were going nowhere.im not gonna waste my time.
dusky oxide
Youre telling me the module has 0 use. I prove you wrong by providing an example.
sullen vault
I overexaggerated my comment,my whole point was its limited usage.
Ofc there is a use for it,buy very minor and only works when the other side is mentally uncapable.
dusky oxide
I wouldnt call it useless. More limited than the toolkit but the situation its used in is more dangerous so it can pay off. And again, the avg is 48%.
sullen vault
Shouldnt count on the fact that the average player is like that.
dusky oxide
You know you can choose any of the 2 right? This conversation about them doesnt mean you have to choose the one i say.
You say you shouldnt count on stuff but the the track hp is the more preventative one.
sullen vault
It goes right back to my point then
dusky oxide
You tried to generalize it. Which doesnt work because your point was that the other one has limited to no use.
sullen vault
Im gonna end it here.im just gonna say this.Toolbox helps in more situations than one while the other revolves around a specific scenario tht relies on rng factor and the other making a mistake.Toolbox takes in the factor and tries to fix it.You can say it has use but in general the toolbox gives you more room.not to mention i have already given points about that matter
It doesnt give more hp.it resets it.theres a difference.
unique scaffold
👀
exotic pelican
I always take Toolbox over Enhanced tracks unless I'm in a fast tank and want to keep my tracks after drifting or doing a jump
dusky oxide
@sullen vault you tell it fair. I do use the toolbox overall but i thought that was because i dont like TDs and other tanks that are more vulnerable in the situations we described.
twilit crystal
oh yeah the fact that toolbox is basically a freebie for any tank is just another nerf to mediums. Now only autoloaders can perma track
grave bear
i use enhanced tracks almost everywhere, especially in my e100 and maus, since they have high hp tracks.
sullen vault
@dusky oxide its fine overall i do say its just preference and just overall how u like to play at that point.I rushed this argument because i had to go do work
dusky oxide
@sullen vault its ok my man, i was a bit misleading at some points. Bottom line is we can agree on something, though even if we couldnt I wouldnt make enemies over this stuff ;)
sullen vault
you are now enemy
unique scaffold
lol
dusky oxide
:D
main tulip
I hate tier 10
iron lynx
Looks at the 4 TDs per team with super-derp Deathstars
What makes you think that
main tulip
Full of stupid TD’s camping, no meds, dumb IS-4 can’t be penned even with gold
iron lynx
Congrats, another new TD will soon join the League of Tier X Tank Destroyers.
quick lichen
Don’t forget Swedish tds are coming too
iron lynx
GG
If you don't have a tier X TD or an OP heavy by then, you might as well stop playing tier X
twilit crystal
And then KRANVAGN which also basically is as strong as the is4 turret. lol Although it has e3 weakness where if you see the hull just HE it
main tulip
Yeah HE does surprisingly good damage to IS-4
lethal saddle
i remember hearing about that a long time ago @main tulip
noble shale
@twilit crystal kranvagn turret is stronger than is4 turret. Is4 turret has a small weak spot next to the gun that’s pennable with gold. Kranvagn turret is like 400mm all over
iron lynx
The Kranvagn has a 225mm turret front with an extreme slope.
I think it can eat Jageru HEAT shells easily.
noble shale
12 degrees gun depression dude
neon peak
Nothing going to pen that
unique scaffold
It'll be a hull down god, if used expertly
teal olive
@noble shale u referring to old jag HEAT? It has 380 now, just like most other TDs
iron lynx
Well if the Jageroo can barely pen a hulldown Kranvagn with HEAT, imagine how hard is it for the other tanks.
meager spruce
@iron lynx that is why the only strength of the tank is the turret and gun depression
iron lynx
So is the T29
And we saw how good is the T29 in battle
indigo knot
This tank is still under powered in Pc though and is getting buffed .....the new tier 10s of tech trees that WG have been adding are meh
humble spear
That's because it's far too situational and the weak hull sets it back a ton
meager spruce
@iron lynx T95 has armor to sidescrape a big and maybe bounce a few shots on the hull. Everything in tier 8 overmatches Kranvagns side (well maybe except 2 or 3 tanks) and the hull is like paper
main tulip
Maybe make mobility a bit better, not as good as 50b though and the gun should be worse than both t57 and 50b
iron lynx
The strength of the Kranvagn is that it can stay well-protected hulldown while spewing a whole clip on an enemy tank.
Like an AMX 50B, but doesn't die as fast.
dusky oxide
We're getting another british td line -_-
As if the 2 183s in every t10 game wasnt enough to ruin it.
iron lynx
At least the new FV4005 won't have a 183mm gun
dusky oxide
Seems like that might be the case. Fortunately.
I hope theyve understood how bad the 183 is for the meta but at the same time I dont see them making any efforts in making the camping TD spam less of a problem. Maybe thats due to the popularity of such style of playing. Too bad.
iron lynx
At least there's only the Swedish TD line not yet ported from PC.
They've ran out of TD lines.
dusky oxide
XD thats the positive aspect of cramming so many td lines in. They did verify that theyre working on a new nation.
iron lynx
Maldives
dusky oxide
Finally amphibious tanks ^
median gust
Kranvagn? Barely penetrable by the highest penetration gun in the game... Geez, no use for T110E5 anymore. The turret only works if they're below you now and not a TD. Otherwise they go RIGHT through your turret cheeks.
unique scaffold
A m p h i b i o u s tanks?
To be fair though, the Kranvagn has dpm which is a lot worse than what the other autoloading heavies have. Aside from the turret it's undoubtedly inferior to the AMX and T57
iron lynx
I don't think DPM is that important for autoloaders since they're gonna retreat after every clip.
quick lichen
Except the Kranvagn isn’t a fast clipper like the 50b
It has a longer delay between shots
I’d guess 3.5 in between on blitz
The hull isn’t anything fantastic
People are freaking out about a frontal turret armor profile before even seeing it
Conqueror and T95e6 have far superior turrets on console and pc and they’re nothing special here
It’s too early to tell if we will get a good or a bad kranvagn
cunning compass
k
thick rover
Hahahha
twilit crystal
@quick lichen the hull is prety similar to chinese heavies. Decent upper glacis although thin dependent on a very steep angle but lower plate is garbage. So if you see a kranvagn hull down but you can see the autobounce hull HE might be a good option.
quick lichen
We have hitskins and the ability to change shells almost instantly. It’s easy to he splash the “ears” of the turret even if it’s hull down
thick rover
Sorry raik, which channel is the one with the screenshot of WG saying the FV4005 won't get 183mm gun? Do u remember?
thick rover
Thank You man :)
modern rapids
willow junco
850alpha dmg , i think
twilit crystal
*8500
median gust
oo
dusky oxide
Thats still a problem to me. Whats the point of adding a high alpha td line every month? Theres consequences to it.
twilit crystal
coz WG doesnt want to add light tanks such as french lights coz those are heavily skewed towards good player stats
although the average pubbie cant play jack in them the BS 55to 65 balancing punishes anyone who wants to play them.. The average pubbie wants to play a 183 camp in the back and fire 2 shots for 2k dmg a game and lose
dusky oxide
World of tank destroyers... I dont understand why people like campy high alpha tds so much.
Maybe its the minimum effort - maximum results in dmg thing
twilit crystal
Because its literally wait until half your team dies and the game is lost but u can still do 2k dmg
dusky oxide
Maybe this is wg listening to what the community wants. Too bad they listened to the part of the community dipping below 80iq :/
lunar niche
Probably will have 150-155mm gun with god like gun handling along with HESH lol.
placid crater
curious - what programmer thought it would be a good idea to offer avatars.I have 8 in my storage now and get at east one ore in the daily boxes. I used to look forward to the boxes but not any more, I dread opening them. This morning I got an avatar and two sets of combat boosters. What a total waste of time and effort. Also, losing wr because some yahoo wanted the game to appeal to complete amateurs y allowing them to buy tier X tanks when they are at tier 1 and first starting the game. No longer is a higher tier an indication that you have worked your ay up there. Totally ruined the game.
unique scaffold
@placid crater I'm sorry that the free stuff that you get from free chests in this free to play game isn't the free stuff that you wanted.
^^^ As long as theyre free im mostly ok with containers
main tulip
They need to make tier 8+ premiums available to only those with 10k+ battles, a tier 10 in their garage and decent stats
unique scaffold
@main tulip. Nope.
main tulip
And may I ask why? It’ll prevent noobs from rushing up tiers that they haven’t grinded.
unique scaffold
@main tulip mainly it relates to what you mean by "available"
naive ibex
Now wg haves too lot work for that, still there will be more and more new tanks xd
main tulip
Like only somewhat experienced players who’ve already grinded up to tier 10 can buy those high tier premiums
unique scaffold
Noobs rush their way up the tiers no matter what. They either fail their way or buy their way. At least WG profits off the ones who buy their way up. Personally I dont care either way. More noobs is more players to farm.
placid crater
yea, but why so any avatars, free k is still junk.
unique scaffold
It's free.
Also your dislike of avatars has nothing to do with game balance.
Neither does players who buy or fail their way up the tiers.
naive ibex
Hmm but why not to do that as a reward for being a diamond league?
quick lichen
@twilit crystal mobility is bad for the game 😂 we need super heavies and td spam
placid crater
buying tanks it does have an impact on game balance.
quick lichen
True
Consider tier 8 then
1 Light tank
14 mediums
16 heavies
6 tds
Those are the premiums available
The general shift is away from lights
atomic hound
It's a huge pity, I'd sell a kidney for more light tanks lol
shy wren
I’m probably thinking that the Fv’s getting a 5.5inch gun instead
twilit crystal
@unique scaffold I disagree. WG gives us the crates to increase log ins each day. We have the right to complain. With me getting avatars more and more often I find myself logging in less. All game companies have daily bonus's.. @quick lichen its actually 13 meds and 17 heavies coz super pershing is in no way a medium. Mod 1 too I guess tbh.
unique scaffold
They gave us crates to try and calm the uproar over spare parts. @twilit crystal
twilit crystal
oh of course it has nothing to do with balance. People blame teams way too much. But I am still salty over the bs avatars. FYI wg used to give freebies before. 2 days of premium each update and hte old events were everyone had to grind x amount of xp in the server.
normal chasm
One sensible thing WG could do is to provide us some rough indicator of our teammates quality at the start of every match. It would be very usefull to know who can we rely on or not. Who should we listen to and follow their instructions.
Secondly, in-game chat communication should be disabled for bad players that often make confusion by making bad calls
twilit crystal
^ I agree in game chat should be banned for bad players in the first 30 seconds.MM is random but it truly is frustrating when players make bad calls(I don't mind bad gameplay as long as the player listens tbh)
normal chasm
It could bring some order in the game. At least half of defeats is due to total lack of agreement where should we go. Such games are tiring, not interesting and pure loss of time
unique scaffold
You hate when players make bad calls but want chat to be disabled for the first half minute excuse me what
quick lichen
@twilit crystal see, I view the free crates as a pure bonus. I don’t think anyone has the right to complain about getting free things. Even if they are avatars or boosters
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. I'd like to see chat disabled for players who have a sub 50% 30 day WR at the tier they are playing for the first 30 seconds of the match.
How would that help? Normally the players ur talking about dont listen anyways so they'll just go the direction they want to go not the way the team is going
main tulip
Had a game where my entire team in vineyards cooperated except for a cdc and t49, both of whom went town.
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold it would help with unaware armchair commanders who dont understand lineups but still insist on telling others what to do.
unique scaffold
Yeah that's what I'm saying bud if they dont listen with chat enabled why would they listen with chat disabled
main tulip
Lock high tiers to nubs.
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold They probably wouldnt listen, but they couldnt come up with a bad plan themselves.
atomic hound
They'll absolutely never do that, although it would be better for all for us here if they did. It'd stop people saying hello to people they know, for example.
dusky oxide
Youre right, they never will. Because the avg player is quite unaware and of course it would be a bad move to try to limit them.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. Because they wouldn't be able to argue your call. They wouldn't be able to create confusion via contradictory calls.
atomic hound
It's rare but very irritating when they do that...
They basically triple your chances of losing in the first 30s
unique scaffold
If the vegetables couldn't argue that would be nice but I doubt theyd listen
twilit crystal
@unique scaffold coz I can carry one idiot. I can't carry 3 idiots who go town
cunning sleet
Would be Nice to see the wr of a player in battle so if the good players makes a good call they Will always listen no hesitation and then this game would be a nicer place without letting people not chat if they chat badly then just report and hope they get chatbanned you only play with these people one match
quick lichen
Xvm and wr would promote stat shaming and seal clubbing
raw oar
@cunning sleet no
cunning sleet
True
gloomy dragon
Id rather not know the status of my teams since 1. I assume most are inept unless i recognize their name or clan tag and 2. Some yahoo will always be that guy to declare "loss" and immediately AFK. I do well enough as it is and tooning helps have some form of stability. Not to mention that it's nice to cut loose and drac-helsing toon once in a while. Drac flank and spanks to distract while the helsing can usually just drive from the front and blast them in the face.
unique scaffold
You're filthy
cunning sleet
I take back what i said
slim rivet
Why u want to know WR? U won’t be far from reality if u assume ur team is composed of 6 vegetables @gloomy dragon @cunning sleet
gloomy dragon
Grammar, please. And no, i do not want public WR's since thatll only cause more annoyances of AFKs or Yolo focus fire situations.
unique scaffold
No thanks to a XVM type of system in Blitz.
dusky oxide
I wouldnt mind xvm even though i understand its downsides. But what i actually would like is a working military honor system. Not stubborn 45%er armchair commanders with 5 purple stars running around. More transparency!
slim rivet
So which kind of status do u have in mind ? @gloomy dragon ? Sorry for my English, it’s not my first (nor my second) language
orchid grove
XVM isn’t even a theoretical thing for Blitz anymore; it already exists
slim rivet
What is XVM btw feeslconfused
empty ice
It tells you the stats of your team and the opponents
The one for blitz is called bint
slim rivet
Thx @empty ice it should not be disclosed IMO. I’m pretty sure number of players would just leave the game if the gap is too important
Before even firing a single shot
smoky yoke
Xvm already exists, xvm is always third party.
dusky oxide
@slim rivet your english is fine my man, dont worry about it.
crimson marsh
Can stock tanks please not get uptiered? It’s really annoying when I buy a new tank and get shoved into a battle with tanks I can’t pen
quick lichen
@crimson marsh how does match making have anything to do with tank balancing?
crimson marsh
It only says “balance-discussion” it doesn’t say only tanks..
wraith lance
Read the pinned messages @crimson marsh
main tulip
torpid rampart
Is3 is good but it ends there
main tulip
Nah they’re all mediocre or terrible
rare wing
You are terribly wrong
viscid blade
Every single IS series tank is at least decent except for IS-6, which is mediocre.
main tulip
Nope, IS tier 7 is trash, IS-6 is trash, IS-7 is mediocre at best, IS-3 is mediocre
wraith lance
says the IS tanks are terrible
has an IS clone as name and pfp
oksureman
main tulip
It looks cool and it actually has armour that works
viscid blade
The whole point of the IS line is to hide the lower glacis. If you only face enemies in front your armor is practically invincible. And you have godly turret armor (except for IS (t7)).
main tulip
No, IS-3 has paper hull and IS-5’s is a bit better but other heavies can still go right through. Also IS-5 has cupolas on top too
wraith lance
Implying the armor on the IS tanks doesn't work
main tulip
@wraith lance yeah lmao I almost never bounce off of IS tanks except the 4, which is insane OP
wraith lance
Doesn't the 112-2 have cupolas too
And the IS series isn't meant to have outstanding armor, that job is for the IS4 line
main tulip
Well the mobility doesn’t make up for it that’s why they’re so bad. Just as slow as other heavies and can’t hit a barn with that gun
wraith lance
The tanks lacked good armor against same tiered heavies since tier VI
main tulip
But meds can pen them easily too
wraith lance
I never said the opposite
wraith lance
Kek
limber mesa
Anyone else think that the Pershing needs a buff of some kind
wraith lance
Turret armor or pen IMO
main tulip
Nah turret armour, slightly more mobility and accuracy
teal olive
@viscid blade u fr? The IS6 is great and has always been great. It’s not the beast that it used to be at tier eight but it def holds its own
main tulip
Tf dude, IS-6 has been powercreeped to death. Almost everything can pen its frontal hull, and if not the turret roof is a huge weakspot. It’s not quite as mobile as the other IS tanks and has worse dpm. Overall there are much better options are there, if you want a tank with that playstyle then the IS-5 and WZ-112-2 actually have workable armour and better mobility.
meager spruce
IS3 Defender is ze best
velvet star
Today battles balanced - 10% win
cunning kindle
Is6 is obviously powercreeped but that can be said for most tech tree tanks at t8 :/
Its a badly balanced tier and complaining about one tank is okay but there r tanks which have been powercreeped much more than is6
Cough cough vk 45 A
indigo knot
Most of the tech tree tanks have been power creeped and some old premium tanks too.... this is the worst tier to play among all higher tiers
deft owl
@limber mesa Pershing needs mobility buff imho.
median gust
Just learn how to play russian heavies. On EU I saw someone have 85% wr in the IS6
quick lichen
2015 is6 platoons meant 75-85% wr
modern rapids
Yes
That is all you ever saw in tier 8 toons
Only ever see tier 9 but saw tier 6.
empty ice
Now a wz-120-1g ft platoon = 90% wr
spark star
never knew I'd say this but the VK 100.01 is
situational
sometimes its a god and sometimes it gets kicked to death because nobody supports you
oh and
120-1 G FT
please dont sell this tank again, make it like the HMS Belfast
its just so game breakingly overpowered that its gonna cause some serious strife unless if its offered at a high price point
dim field
If they sell the 120-1G FT i honestly might not have a choice but to buy it.
spark star
s e l l o u t @dim field
dim field
Didn't say I'd be using it
spark star
but you will be
because its good
a bit too good
thats why Ive made a lot of degrading names for those who do well in it
dim field
There are actually a few premium tanks i own but have yet to play a single battle in. Among those being the Drac and the type 62
spark star
ah the Drac...
this tank is uh fun to play unless if youre on the receiving end
same goes to Helsing but the Helsing is...
well not very good when dealing with tier 8s
dim field
I played my hellsing quite a bit as it was one of my first money maker premiums, but hardly use it nowadys. Got it from the event when it first came out. Spent $3 in gold.
spark star
because tier 8 exists
but man its really good in its element but not against tier 8s it just struggles against tier 8s
dim field
Yeah, it shines when it's given its space to do its thing while not being too far away, but against tier 8 not many tanks will give it that room.
atomic hound
Helsing is lunch for my heavies, certainly.
cunning kindle
I have the 120 FT
I barely use it, dont really need creds and i dont enjoy t8
atomic hound
Id sell a kidney for that tank. Wishing I bought it when it came out now...
unique scaffold
Been playing the AMX prot more. Spanks tier 8 tanks and the gun is good enough to carry in tier X. Same with the Cent 7/1.
twilit crystal
vk 100p is op against innacurate IS tanks which makes it relatively op in tier 8
dusky oxide
@cunning kindle why dont u enjoy t8?
cunning kindle
I just dont, dont find it as fun as t10 and t9
clever mauve
Yeah I’ve really started to love tier 9 ~ at first I hated it when I had to drive PTA, but recently I bought the T55A and it’s amazing for spanking tier 8s (and even does well against tier 10s ) ~ it’s a brilliant medium with a great playstyle
dusky oxide
@cunning kindle yes but why? I find t10 unenjoyable because of the lack of diversity in playstyles. It feels dominated by high alpha tds and heavies and teams get stuck in stagnant situations often. Tier 9 is fun to me if i play in a support tank or a light because I like that feeling of being the underdog in one matchup and a vital dominating force in another. The last time i was consistently playing in tier 8 was two or three years ago. I left because the meta was centered around heavy armor and a low dpm cap.
cunning kindle
So u dont enjoy t8 t9 t10 and t10 doesnt have "lack of diversity"
Its the most balanced tier after t9 in the game rn and more diverse than any other tier, but yes u r roght about td thing but i dont mind that coz the 183 got nerfed and most t10 tanks can afford to take a 640 alpha shot
dusky oxide
I said i didnt enjoy t8. I havent played there for a while so I cant comment on how it feels. I enjoy t9. T10 clearly has a lack of diversity in how and what tanks people like to play and you can see for yourself that its a tier dominated in numbers by heavies and above all, tds. To make it worse, WG is adding even more tds because its clearly a popular class and will get people grinding lines. And no, i wont just rush in and take a 640 alpha shot because theres often 3 tds in an enemy team. @cunning kindle
cunning kindle
My highest wr, my highest wn8 and my highest avg dmg tanks r all t10 meds
And i dint say rush in and take a shot, i said now that 183 is nerfed u dont have to worry so much about losing half ur hp, most tanks can take a 640 alpha shot if they have to
And btw these t10 meds i got recently
dusky oxide
I dont think its surprising that your highest wn8 would be on a tier x tank. I think its the case for most of us.
cunning kindle
I m talking amongst t10 tds hts etc my highest stats r in t10 meds
dusky oxide
183 is getting a rebalance in one of the following updates. I wouldnt count on it not creating bad situations in games.
cunning kindle
Soo i really dont understand what u mean by "lack of diversity" and dominated by hts and tds coz i enjoy my meds and do better in them relative to hts and tds
dusky oxide
"Dominated in numbers" means that there are more of them. @cunning kindle
There usually is more tds than meds and more heavies than meds. Hence the lack of diversity. and theres only 1 light
cunning kindle
If u said this before 183 nerf, i'd have agreed with u but now i see lesser tds
Personal experience tbh
dusky oxide
I still see the same amount. They just added a new line of tds and another one is coming in one of the next updates. @cunning kindle
So i dont see how the lowered amount of players caused by the 183 nerf would compare to the adding of 2 new td lines in a span of say 3 months
cunning kindle
Like i said, personal experience
Nothing i can do about that
I simply enjoy t10 more than any other tier
Wait 2 new td lines, am i missing something?
dusky oxide
Well back to my question, what dont you enjoy about t8 currently? @cunning kindle
dusky oxide
@cunning kindle the chinese line was just added and the fv4005 stage 2 line was just confirmed this week.
cunning kindle
Kayyy, but the british tds arent here yet lol
dusky oxide
@cunning kindle i see why now. Its a valid point, theres more premiums than tech trees at t8 and the difference in performance between the two is a lot.
twilit crystal
+5-5% is kind of annoying for a tank like the maus
main tulip
Bruh the WZ-120-1G FT isn’t even game breakingly op as you guys are saying. I’ve circled it before and the armour is grossly overrated
unique scaffold
@main tulip very funny, haha
twilit crystal
IGN. Bet you prob have a wz 120
unique scaffold
^
main tulip
I don’t
twilit crystal
every good player agrees its broken lol. It has a great gun, best in tier mobility for a td and great armor. Only disadvantage is probably hp. Also great camo
main tulip
Punisher_732 if you don’t believe me. I really don’t have a problem with it. Yes it is op but it doesn’t ruin the game at all
twilit crystal
the only reason it doesnt ruin tier 8 is coz its rare. If it was like the is3d spam it would be broken af. It ruins tourneys already
main tulip
I have a bigger problem with the IS-4 than the wz lmao
umbral peak
It a broken op tank
unique scaffold
@main tulip if you dont see a problem with it, then thats because you play with a lot of high pen guns and the ppl who use the enemy 120s arent really that skilled
umbral peak
The best tank at tier 8 extremly op
main tulip
@unique scaffold I don’t have problems with it in a med like CDC or 59-Patton anyway so idk. Just hit the lower glacis or use gold
umbral peak
Lower glacis are more engled than uper plate
main tulip
Well it depends on the angle that you’re shooting it at. Also the WZ is played aggressively so that’s one less enemy player camping. Much rather would play against op tank than camping td
dusky oxide
@cunning kindle new british td line can be expected soon
umbral peak
A good wz player play it agressivly only in mid end game
indigo knot
Wz is flat out broken tank ....
spark star
Im not selling my 25 AP xD
cunning kindle
@dusky oxide i expected the czech or swedes to arrive first
Clearly i was wrong
dusky oxide
Me too. I was really hoping for czechs. They did confirm theyre working on a new nation though
umbral peak
Brit td are not bad and if we get the badger at tier x it very nice
spark star
WZ-120-Gold Fake Tank is WGs attempt for the chinese playerbase to buy
dusky oxide
We wont, itll be the fv4005 st2 with the smaller gun
umbral peak
Hous tank with a small gun loool
dusky oxide
Although ofc its not certain yet. We can still hope
twilit crystal
maybe buffed 5.5 inch gun?
umbral peak
Fv4005 st2 is unique becous they have 183 mm gun
Hop they dont give it a 150 mm gun lik other tds
unique scaffold
hopefully wg already confirmed that it wont get a 183mm\
spark star
we dont need another broken ass 183mm gun, the current literation already has problems fitting in with any sort of role
umbral peak
750 alpha or 800 are not bad but plz no pew pew gun for a huge tank
indigo knot
Tier 8 is kind of pay to win tier
unique scaffold
Not really
@indigo knot quoting Sparty here: "If (insert topic) is pay to win, then I've seen many players who deserve a full refund".
umbral peak
So Just add the badger at tier x problème solved
spark star
120-G-FT is not an autowin tank
its strong but not strong enough that it wins everytime but it wins a lot of engagements on its own
umbral peak
Wait for the obj 252 u
spark star
dear god no
not the 252u ANYTHING BUT THAT I TELL YOU
unique scaffold
disappointed noises if that thing goes in crates I will be dissapointed
meager spruce
@spark star leelblower
teal olive
I pray that it will because then it will be just as or MORE rare than the 120 FT.
twilit crystal
5.5 inch is 140 mm. IT should have about 560 reg alpha and 660 alpha with HESH
sry i mean like 530 reg alpha
dusky oxide
@teal olive theres mostly no long term rarity in this game. I guarantee you the wz will be sold again.
Even the kv220t was sold. Right after wg talked about low tier balancing.
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide id dispute that
i could think of multiple examples of long term rarity in blitz
dusky oxide
The only ones that come to my mind are the keni, which was never intended to be sold in its state and some camos. Thats why i said mostly. @unique scaffold
indigo knot
@unique scaffold i know what you mean .....but you most of the premium tanks come on top in every way against normal tech tree tank
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide oh there are much rarer tanks then keni
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold well name them then. I wouldnt be surprised if wg sold the pz2j next week.
unique scaffold
well first off you have the IS-6F
dusky oxide
Thats no lomger in the game. How is it rare?
unique scaffold
oh its in the game, only the best ppl and ppl that bought it from the original gift shop have it
dusky oxide
It doesnt exist anymore so how can you own it? Its been deleted.
modest lotus
I’ve played since 2015, never seen an is6f
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide its not been deleted, ppl still have them lmao. ive seen 2
modest lotus
Can u show me one on someone’s stats?
dusky oxide
I clearly remember when they were deleted and the uproar it caused.
umbral peak
nop so many lgn got it from the store but they got deleted
dusky oxide
I see. So they did respond to it.
unique scaffold
@quick lichen you still have the Fearless right?
modest lotus
@unique scaffold I believe u but is there any chance u have a visual on someone stats. Just curious now
unique scaffold
besides, another 1 is the T-50/57
unique scaffold
and the like 9 ppl in DFNT have it too
quick lichen
Now there’s a few hundred
Such a waste
As if it’s not punishment enough that the is6 is power crept into obscurity
unique scaffold
@modest lotus
modest lotus
Thx!
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide also, theres the T-50/57, which was only given in a beginners bundle for like 3 days
modest lotus
Is there stat differences with it and the regular is6?
quick lichen
unique scaffold
@modest lotus No, it works like the T34 and T34 1776
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold i wouldnt be surprised if it was sold again, there even was a grosstraktor in store this week.
quick lichen
It’s just like any other is6
Minus the attachment 😒😒😒
I wanted a special camo for the people that actually WON the is6 fearless
unique scaffold
@quick lichen i get the impression you hate the thing
dusky oxide
So is it really that much more of a tank rather than a really rare legendary camo
modest lotus
So y then wgs
unique scaffold
nice reskin, but look at the owner 🙁
quick lichen
2016 was before all of that
unique scaffold
i wont say anymore about it here, otherwise mutes will fly
@quick lichen followup question, do u still have the T-50/57
quick lichen
Nope
unique scaffold
so WG removed that from you
quick lichen
We tested tanks for 2 weeks to 2 months depending on the tank
unique scaffold
i bet theres only like 2 players that actually have that legitimately, it was a beginners offer for like 3 days and its never been sold besides
umbral peak
T-50/57 tier 3 tank?
unique scaffold
reee
umbral peak
Oh I was tester for that tank with the k91
meager spruce
@quick lichen that mod is cool but it sticks out like a sore thumb even more than the invincible cammo.
dusky oxide
Even the rubber on the roadwheels is gold 😫
twilit crystal
what did darkeh do can someone pm me?
unique scaffold
Look at his clan name
modern rapids
NUKE?
brisk lily
I’ve seen the T-50/57 in a battle before
It was like a few weeks ago
Scratch that a couple of months ago
grim blaze
median gust
meh
unique scaffold
@grim blaze. Meh credits for a premium plus the gun is super inaccurate and on top of that the tank is generally boring to play. Have fun!
twilit crystal
but its the only credit maker for plenty of f2p
unique scaffold
True.
Still boring.
unique scaffold
Alguien pelotón
lone warren
Inappropriate channel
median gust
English server
sharp vigil
http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/102819-penetration-rng-changes/
Idk where the thread will go but tldr lower pen RNG means worse chances of doing damage because you won't roll as much pen on good rolls. It also makes tanks that rely on slot machines less effective at the same time, which is understandable to support but it's bad. As it stands only hard counter for Tier X heavy spam is the Jageroo and Deathstar and making their pen worse is a bad idea because it indirectly buffs heavies.
main tulip
Does anyone think the credit coefficient could be buffed slightly for tier 10 tanks, except for the 183?
cunning kindle
113 desperately needs that
fringe summit
Is the leo too good in mad games?
dusky barn
like cdc in fast
naive ibex
Dont worry this tenk in mad games is COMPLETLY BALANCED
shy wren
Nah, use the Panthers, absolute carnage @fringe summit
Once, we had a 4-sniper build team.
A Panther, a Panther II, me (T25/2) and an E 25. Rammed the whole team lol
Spotted the SP 1 C, all of us snipers flock to ram it lol.
dim field
Everyone bullies the Sp1c
atomic hound
Rammer rig is too broken and so much fun. If only my t34-3 was controllable when I use the speed boost...
shy wren
Yeah, my Jumbo drifts too much to make full use of the engine accelerator and rammer rig combo.
Hence why chameleon concealment and rammer rig is king
unique scaffold
Yesterday in this battle I lost, but do you believe me if I say I did that damage with only 2 HESH shells? And without Mad Games irradiator ability?
I almost oneshotted the enemy 183 and killed the AMX 50 B
I'm sure those other players appreciated all of the "dynamic" gameplay that you shared with them.
What are you talking about, I simply fired my gun, and I did not camp like most 183 owners do, damage doesn't depend on my force of will
Just playing the tank is the problem. The only people who think the 183 is fun or that it adds to the game are the players who play it.
The tank is in the game, and it was already nerfed in mobility, damage is the one good for a 183 mm gun, intended historically to fire HESH only ammo. Why don't you play it too, nobody is here to negate you that
humble spear
So basically the 183 is just like arty in wot pc >pre arty rebalance<
unique scaffold
You are free to play whatever you want but coming in here bragging about 3k dmg in 2 shots while driving a tank that is hated by many is going to most likely get some negative responses.
So once again. Great job ruining the game for some other player. You get a pass on shooting the other 183 because he deserved it for playing a 183.
I really don't understand all this hate, do you even know how many times a 183 ammoracked or oneshotted me with HESH shells? I should get angry but I don't, that's the way the game is, massive gun for massive damage. I did not ruin anything, I only played a tank in the game, grinded I dare say with sweat and efforts. That's my reward. Again, nobody negates you the right to play it
humble spear
Exactly why I'm calling it arty from wot pc pre arty rebalance. A class hated by many, but it was how the game was, massive gun for massive damage, clicking you for all your hitpoints from across the map
but after the arty rebalance it's less one hit kill but more extremely annoying
coral nova
Looks like some ppl r salty xD aka SD 😂
unique scaffold
Not salty at all. I can simply recognize a bad game mechanic when I see it. A tank that allows 3k+ dmg in two shots is a bad game mechanic.
I can make generalizing blanket statements as well. Players sure do get defensive when you say something bad about their damage crutch tanks.
unique scaffold
Yo @sour marsh waffle is better than grille I have better stats in it
sour marsh
i agree
I just repurchased waffle and i am doing very good .. better than grille .. thanks for reminding me to change my nick
back to 183. Why people dont like 183? there other op tanks that ruining the game play for some players. Just because it has high alfa doesn’t mean it’s bad tank. if you stand still in open then of course you will get deleted. I also think nerf was not required. Its just very bad tank to drive.
humble spear
Because it's one of those RNG tanks that has the potential to completely put you out of the game in a hit, and fires HESH so non-pens still deal damage. It could be you exposed yourself for a slight moment to get a shot off and you get killed in a hit by a 183 camping on the other end
white vessel
The problem isnt that its too good, the problem is that can sit in a corner do nothing and send 1000+ by just pressing one button
humble spear
But of course I only play lights and mediums so I'm not too knowledgeable on this
sour marsh
thats what makes it unique. I am not very good player but I rarely get hit by 183. U just need to be aware of the map and their camping spots. once enemy 183 is spotted then you can either focus fire him or play cautiously
unique scaffold
If you can't see why tank like the 183 is bad for gameplay I honestly don't know what to say. The tank creates a stagnant unfun game environment. Players are hesitant Scout or advance for fear of being blotted out by the Windex huffing Dynamic gameplay expert who hasn't left spawn on the other side of the map. A tank like the 183 has no place in a game that is called Blitz.
sour marsh
@unique scaffold then count jageu kv2 and others too
unique scaffold
KV-2 yes. No so much with the JG
humble spear
I haven't had that bad experiences against 183s though, since most of the time they stay at the heavy flank, all I do is win the medium/light flank and go round to farm free dmg on a TD that can't turn its turret to face me
sour marsh
I don’t have problem with any of these tanks. I still prefer to play grille and waffle they are just fun to play. But the Grille nerf was not required.
My poor baby doesn’t even have armor and gj wg keep buffing russian meds and 268 making it op
white vessel
Yeah you really dont know wht u are talking about
sour marsh
cant help you here
humble spear
who snipes in an su152
unique scaffold
Lots of players
quiet ledge
@humble spear I used to when I had it, really satisfying to watch the shell fly and one shot that bulldog
unique scaffold
Which tanks are going to get removed for the new tanks?
@balmy oriole. Don't do that
twilit crystal
? one game with 3.5k dmg isnt enough proof lol
dim field
Inb4 they're stock
unique scaffold
@drowsy plaza. You watch your mouth 🤣
drowsy plaza
@twilit crystal I was joking. It’s a situational vehicle - the funny part of that game was the red CDC promised to kill me.
However it highlights a lot of issues around balance.
twilit crystal
is that the players on the teams?
gloomy dragon
All i can say is that i miss the module damage on the t49. Rng has been trolling me so much when I take it for a spin.
drowsy plaza
If you look at our teams. Red was a way better team in theory. @gloomy dragon yes those are the teams.
The replay was pretty funny as the Green Tiger I called us all noobs etc as he tried to solo a hulldown T34 and lost 🤫
Admittedly I loved the T49 with the module dmg. I need to aim more carefully now and try to ensure it’s going to start a fire too.
gloomy dragon
Regarding the WR disparity, exceedingly competent players can often off-set exceedingly mediocre to bad players, usually... At least if they survive long enough to take the heat off you or at least serve as a sufficient distraction to the reds. Nothing you can do if you carry with 4k+ dmg and still cant get greens to learn to shoot at the low health targets.
drowsy plaza
Yup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuI7oKUUKmE I wish WG would highlight this in game. I think Bushka did a fantastic job with this one -- and it should be mandatory watching as soon as a player unlocks a tier 5.
gloomy dragon
You know, ive never actually watched any of those... Learned the hard way through experience and experimentation.
indigo knot
@sour marsh 183 was broken tank and it got what it deserved
drowsy plaza
@gloomy dragon you learned, I learned, but 95% of the playerbase hasn’t.
twilit crystal
the t49 needs a 960 dmg HE shell with 1 pen. It wouldnt be able to pen anything in game besids the t28 prot and rhm borsig and other open top areas but i
unique scaffold
1mm of pen?
shy wren
That’s gonna be red everywhere lol. Good luck splashing targets lol
atomic hound
What is red to HE has nothing to do with pen, it's only down to alpha. @shy wren
twilit crystal
the point is to splash lol
atomic hound
Splashing for 200hp for thousands of credits currently is ridiculous.
Just make the HE standard
shy wren
Red areas to HE means that it cannot be splashed. Orange areas to can be splashed @atomic hound
Edit: read it wrong again
atomic hound
I'm fully aware of that, which is why I corrected you. You were trying to make out that a 960 alpha HE round would see red to everything because it had 1mm of pen, which is wrong. @shy wren
...
shy wren
I’m terrible at making out certain points at times :/
atomic hound
Looks like it...
shy wren
Well, it’s past midnight, so that’s prolly why...
Gtg get some sleep
wraith lance
@west torrent Sorry for the tag but ^^
ivory flint
Okay, I have thought of a concept for making the Batchatillion 25T a full blooded medium tank and adding in the AMX 13-105 to the game to be a tier ten scout but the logic justifying it doesn't fit in one consise message and because slow mode is a thing I'll need some time to post it all. That okay with you guys?
wraith lance
Sure but I don't see the advantage of a AMX 13 105 when we already have the 25t
ivory flint
(The logic would explain the advantages actually) If I made the Batchatillion a medium tank:
Gun changes:
4 shell drum capacity
350/300/400 average damage (APCR/HEAT/HE)
1400 / 1200 / 1600 clip potential (APCR/HEAT/HE)
Penetration 250/295/53 (APCR/HEAT/HE)
2.7 seconds intra-shell reload.
25 second full drum reload
1.81 drums fired per minute.
2537 theoretical dpm (100 percent crew no modifications)
2650 (current DPM no modifications)
2618.2 (T57 DPM comparison)
3155.8 (T62a DPM for comparison)
Mobility changes:
none
Camouflague changes
(Batchat / T62a comparison)
Stationary: 32.0. / 28.23
Moving: 24.42 / 21.53
Firing: 8.048 / 7.1
Summary: B-C 25t looses dpm, and camouflage to gain magazine damage output and penetration making it a medium tank since its awkward as a scout.
To replace the scout tank roll at tier ten:
Model the "AMX 13-105" and stick it in the game where the batchat was.
all stats except viewrange and cammo are equivalent to the current stats of the B-C 25T
Camouflage changes:
(AMX 13-105 / B-C 25t current)
(100% crew no modifications)
stationary: 35% / 32%
Moving: 35% / 32%
Firing: 8.8% / 7.8%
Viewrange changes:
(base values 100% crew no modification)
(AMX 13-105 / B-C 25t current)
270m / 260m
wraith lance
Not sure how 1400 of potential damage is going to be balanced at all
ivory flint
Summary: because the B-C 25t is too large and too blind to be a comfortable scout vehicle, it will be replaced by the AMX 13-105 a smaller vehicle (weighing half as much) with enhanced cammo and viewrange but retaining the Batchat's weakened gun to more adequately scout targets.
Note upon successful testing and implementation of the concept, all players who have a Batchatillion 25T in their garage at the time of the rework will receive an AMX 13-105 in place of the Batchat. Since the Batchat was researched it will remain fully researched after the patch and be available for purchase at a reduced price (good for one purchase only)
And in terms of balance people forget that the more shells you have in a clip the longer it takes to fire the entire thing. In this instance 8.1 seconds total spent unloading. You'd have to be stupid or tracked with no repair kits to actually eat a full clip. Conversely if you say out in the middle of nowhere unloading You'd get pegged by TDs before you were done unloading.
twilit crystal
thats too op. You buffed the interclip and pen. It also needs a gun handling nerf
ivory flint
It is juat a concept, the numbers can be fiddled with if need be.
dusky oxide
Just because the 25t doesnt work well enough for you as a scout, which it never even was intended to be, doesnt mean it should be swapped out for another tank.
quick lichen
I don’t see anything wrong with the current bat
twilit crystal
I mean is there really that big of an advantage with scouting when the view range difference is so mild in blitz and most engagements take place at 200 meters or less
unique scaffold
This is Positives alt I swear
quick lichen
Lol
twilit crystal
It has a very niche tourney role but other than that in pubbies you cant really scout coz it requires team coordination. @unique scaffold why would positive make an alt. Positive wanted gun handling nerfed along with no pen buff
quick lichen
It’s a joke
unique scaffold
@orchid grove arise
twilit crystal
I mean at the very least I expected the batchat to have 1050 clip potential
dusky oxide
They probably really wouldnt like to add scout lights to t10. They wouldnt give them good gun performance because mixing concealment, mobility and a good gun is in some way not balanced against the average heavy player type who doesnt know how to angle the turret on his e100. And there is no way theyd even add a vwhicle solely based on providing view range either, for similar reasons. Wg is well aware how much people like to play campy tank destroyers and heavies with poor vr and concealment.
twilit crystal
it takes 6 seconds to unload. A 140 firing with adren takes like 8.3 seconds with better gun handling and accuracy
wraith lance
I think the 25t is a very decent scout. And yes I agree spotting is only important at the very start of the game and near the end
hasty juniper
140 with CS and adren is about 4.9 sec reload, so 9.8seconds to do 930-960 (does it have 320 or 310 alpha?)
wraith lance
310
I wonder if the 4005 having an autoloader means they could consider giving the Foch 155 an autoloader too
quick lichen
Why would they change it
183 has the same alpha and has a close reload to the bat chat interclip+magazine reload
ivory flint
I think the B-C has been slightly underpowered since its release. They tried to skimp on the scout cammo and its blind for a socut class tank with viewrange only equaling the worst of tier ten mediums. Its also got a tier 8 cammo value at tier ten where everyone has more viewrange. The clip is sufficient for a light but the gun is somewhat innacurate in my experience. (I do own and drive the tank) and has joint worst in tier pen out of all the mediums/lights. Its also medium tank sized which isn't good for a scout. So I'm my opinion its got a wierd mix of scout tank and medium tank attributes that dont work well. Hence why its such a niche tank reserved mostly for tournaments. WG had planned farther buffs to the tank, but I then they buffed the T62A instead and forgot about the french fry. Hence my idea of making the tank a true medium and adding the AMX 13-105 and giving it slightly better view range and cammo than the cureent B-C possibly in extangenfor for gunhandeling and penetration(?) After all the B-C 25T on paper was designed to be a medium and on pc its classified as such and is balanced.
tribal summit
Every tank must be little different so they combine features to have different tank
And they look on stats only. If stats are good its ok
livid harbor
People who own the Grille 15 please tell me ,is it funny to play? Can it be played agresive and still have succes ?
distant river
I think it can, i havent had much success but thats with 77% crew...
Meadsy did a video on it not that long ago, so thats probably good to watch
tranquil wadi
Did the amx 57 get it’s camo fixed?
ivory flint
Yes but I wouldn't recommend it. You'll constantly be shoehorned into tier 8 and at that point you won't be able to pen anything
@tribal summit while the batchat does have passible average stats (global winrate and stuff) thats mainly because its a neiche tank played by tournament players and light tank fanatics. If it were as popular as the is7 its average stats would plummet
ebon compass
13/57 is fun, but it needs to get .67 second intra-clip reload like the gravedigger and mt-25
quartz steeple
@livid harbor i luv my grille .... got a 2232 avg dmg in it but a 49 % wr after 1400 games in it
small flame
Agreed on the 13 57. It needs better something between camo view range or inter clip. It shouldn’t get as good of a gun as the grave digger, but it does need something more
twilit crystal
y shouldnt it get the same interclip as the grave digger. Its another example of the games heavy bias. The grave digger has armor to poke out and bounce. the 13 57 doesnt
distant river
The 13 75 can flank and shoot peoples rear and sides before they realise what is happening
twilit crystal
and it has 1000 hp and can be 2 shot with 122 mm he. It takes like5 seconds to unload. Its clearly an example of heavy bias WG. The grave digger can poke out and it can bounce a shot and then kill the enemy
tranquil wadi
And the gravedigger has a faster intra clip and better pen I’m pretty sure
twilit crystal
Yeah its complete bs and undefensible and just shows that WG refuses to make light tanks actually competetive because they do the bs 55 to 65 balancing
ivory flint
Actuall facts. They tried to skimp on the cammo too ya know: the thing that makes light tanks special. I find that all the LT's WG "forgot" to camouflage are a tad bit under powered compared to "normal" lights
random anvil
Light tanks are just more skill demanding. Most of them are not bad
tranquil wadi
They definitely add diversity...sick of seeing 3 or more heavies on each team at tier 8 and 3 TDs on each team at 10
deft owl
Goodbye deathstar.
twilit crystal
Is this mutable?. I mean its not the new pic of the tech tree but WG literally said the death star is staying. @quick lichen ^
unique scaffold
@ivory flint. Its random and this isn't the place to complain about MM. Read the pinned messages.
ivory flint
I figured "balance" could classify as balance between teams. Srry.
quick lichen
@ivory flint there’s balance between teams. Both have 7 tanks
ivory flint
@quick lichen in that battle mine effectively had five thanks to two players being Afk from start to finish
unique scaffold
That is something that we all have to deal with. Buckle down and carry harder.
quick lichen
But both started with 7 right @ivory flint ?
I see 7 on both teams
And a whole lot of tears
ivory flint
@quick lichen but did seven players on each team actually contribute to the game? Nope.
ivory flint
Nope I'm still gonna play the game cuz its fun more often than not. But having multiple zeroes (my nickname for players who go Afk, Yolo and die early with out damaging anything or otherwise do no damage) on my team while the enemy team is full of super-unicums feels like a cheep way to lose. Which isn't fun. Losing because you legit got outskiled is fair and a respectable way to lose in my opinion though. @quick lichen
quick lichen
And what does that have to do with tank balancing?
ivory flint
Like I said, the title of the thread is "balance-discussion" I thought it could mean balance of any sort be it tanks or teams. Didn't mean to encroach on the sanctity of this oh so precious discussion (-_-). Besides its not like you've never been off topic in a conversation before so dont be hatin'. Technically speaking you were off topic for even bothering to entertain my notion. @quick lichen
quick lichen
Want me to mute both of us?
ivory flint
You do you boo
unique scaffold
This isn't going to end well
ivory flint
I'm straight chillin'. Yeah I get that I was off topic so I'm done talking about it. Yes I stand to be corrected; doesn't give anyone right to be a jerk while correcting me though. So let it end how it ends well or not. Now can we please get "back on topic"? Lets talk about how debatibally overpowered the IS7 is/can be hmm?
ivory flint
Note: "debatibly overpowered" and "is/can be" its à discussion. Some people think it is and obviously some people think it isn't. Now can you stop throwing jabs at me over text, chill out and talk like a normal person? Side note unless time travel exist I cannot be in 2016 right now.
unique scaffold
Now the IS-4 is debatable
ivory flint
There we go lets talk about that. What do you think about it @unique scaffold?
tranquil wadi
I think it’s on the fine line between balanced and OP
ivory flint
I think it wouldnt hurt to have its claws trimmed a bit. Theres a reason why competitive clans run setups like 5×IS4 + 2×[random support tank] durring tournaments. If it wern't borderline broken they'd be spaming another heavy
main tulip
@livid harbor grille is only fun in mad games lol
smoky yoke
@deft owl Just a heads up deathstar is staying, but for now badger is speculated to be an enriched tank ,since no one corrected you
deep pike
Is7 is not op
atomic hound
^^^^
tawdry moat
Is7 isnt op... plus why play an is7 when thier is an is4??..
unique scaffold
Because they are different?
meager spruce
^^^ @atomic hound better read the response above
deft owl
@smoky yoke Im pretty sure deathstar will be replaced with badger at later stages.
dim field
The talk of removing the 183 honestly just makes me want to hurry up and grind it. Gotta get it and maybe play it a few games before it's gone.
dim field
Hopefully not but the near constant talk seems to add a sense of urgency. I was gonna get it anyways for collecting reasons but the talks about it are making it more of a priority.
lament vessel
@dim field
atomic hound
@meager spruce ???
dim field
Better safe than sorry. Plus mad games is here. The perfect time to grind it relatively stress free.
dusky oxide
Thats true, nows the time to go for it @dim field
teal olive
Yeah. I’m grinding the firefly in preparation for the new TDs. Stock grind sucks but mad games makes it pretty fun.
unique scaffold
wg you have overreacted with this tank wz 120 ft it is impossible to break it with ordinary bullets in the front OP tank
I shot three times and nothing 0 dmg
I am annoyed by this tank because I do not have a chance with him because of poor penetration
orchid grove
Yah, the WZ-120-1G FT is actually overpowered; and it's actually stupid. But it's a premium tank so WG won't nerf it
unique scaffold
wz 120-1 ft
orchid grove
It's way too fast, has a gun that's way too good, has way too much armor, and has way too much camo rating
unique scaffold
nom is exaggerated
this tank does what he wants with me and I'm without a chance I can destroy 3 players, and this tank crushes me
unique scaffold
Playing tier nine or spamming premium works well against it
atomic hound
@orchid grove "Yah, the WZ-120-1G FT is actually overpowered"
Was there really any need for the 'actually' lol
patent ledge
Thoughts on the Leopard 1? I get really good games in it but I usually end up the last one alive while two of the idiots are yelling at me for not rushing those heavies when I have no armor
twilit crystal
@atomic hound a lot of people spam tanks are super op when they aren't. Like some tanks are definetely borderline OP but hte wz 120 just breaks those lines by a huge margin
deft owl
@unique scaffold Playing tier 9 works well against all tier 8 tanks you know that right? Not just to wz-120-1g ft. That cannot considered as a solution at all. Spamming premium ammo works well except heat rounds due to angle. That thing bounce 270 heats all day long when it uses its some of its gun depression.
@unique scaffold Playing tier 9 works well against all tier 8 tanks you know that right? Not just to wz-120-1g ft. That cannot considered as a solution at all. Spamming premium ammo works well except heat rounds due to angle. That thing bounce 270 heats all day long when it uses its some of its gun depression.
@patent ledge Leo 1 needs buff. It has the worst winrates among tier 10 meds.
unique scaffold
@deft owl do they have a sense of humor in the EU?
pastel marlin
Leo is the fastest mt in tier 9~10 and also has best DPM, best pen, one of the best gun handling , and trollish gun mantle. What else does a quick mt needs? tanks like M48 cannot win leo in many case due to dpm, and can melt russian meds with same dpm thanks to its alpha dmg and superior maneuverbility. Boths will pen each other with ease.
Leo is also great flanker and light tank killer, thanks to its superior maneuverbility and highest DPM and penetration in tier 10 mts. When tds see leo in its back, its game over. Furthermore, as further the distance extends, even some tds might bounce on the mantle. I had many trollish bounce in gun mantel. Furthermore, using track absorbing skill to bounce shots also works well
neon peak
Leo doesn’t have the best dpm
brisk lily
that title now belongs to the Su-122-54
It never had the highest dpm in the game
also russian meds have a thing called turret armour
lunar niche
Russian meds will melt Leopard 1 with faster reloads.
neon peak
👍
tall lintel
Slow mode with 2mins cool down is not balanced WG nerf pls
thick rover
The Leopard has speed indeed but in a game where speed is less valuable due to small maps and whatnot, some other traits in other mediums are much more valuable. M48 is meant to be ridge tank so no surprise it has not that fantastic DPM. Tanks like the E50M and T62 which have .288 stock accuracy have diminished the Leopard's unique/good traits, and they have armour and considerably good speed. Leopard 1 is good yes, but other mediums are much better than it...
orchid grove
The leopard’s gun is good, but considering the poor armor, the accuracy is needed to compensate in order to reduce exposure time. Moreover, it’s fairly difficult to maximize use of the Leopard’s DPM, especially compared to other mediums, which have turret armor letting them stay near the frontlines in a fight, and the Leopards DPM advantage is just too marginal to compensate for that. IMO, I would give Leopard just a tad more DPM so that the gun is truly a cut above the competition
sullen vault
for me my favorite combo is mobility and an effective,dynamic gun
indigo knot
Leo needs something .....all the rest have some armour that can be used to go hull down and Blitz maps are small you can't and tier 10 guns are big ....and it is most unforgiving tank....I have even seen super unis sometimes getting del at the start .....the DMP should be a little above Russian meds and gun handling should be like that of 62a ....the radicle on leo1 gets big when moving but not in case 62a and give it 330 heat pen without using calibrated shells.....that will be defining feature of leo1
thick rover
@orchid grove Maybe a little aim time too
indigo knot
Yah thats what I was saying gun handling should be of 62a levels
In 62a its so easy to farm damage even against tds when hull down
indigo knot
Yah many times I get bounces on my front plate ...lol
unique scaffold
Wg pls nervt the weapon of pz4 this tank is realy op . Wg pls nervt the gun okey or the Tower. The have realy good pen and he so 1200 damage i hade this tank. Hes op to When Hes hy tier t8 have no Chance.
humble spear
what
shy wren
r/ihadastroke
Seriously, fix your writing. It’s seriously illegible
humble spear
I'm assuming he's referring to the Wt. Auf Pz4?
shy wren
No idea.
thick rover
I guess it's the WT yea. He probably wants a Nerf to turret arc angle or alpha/gun handling. No chance of winning in a tier 8
slim rivet
Leo is my fav tank, I terms of efficiency and game play. IMO it’s already really good but if WG wants to buff it, I won’t say no haha
unique scaffold
WT Pz 4 is fine as it is now, it's been also buffed in past updates so the gun power is more balanced by the extreme fragility, moreover the vehicle is HE susceptible. Don't listen to those rants
humble spear
it eats HE rounds so easily due to the huge gun shield, and is incredibly susceptible to MTs ramming it
normal chasm
The most absurd thing lies in fact that Circle of Death btw med and WZ-120 t8 destroyer is possible, but in reverse direction.
dim field
No naming and shaming please.
kind swallow
Just bot...
lone warren
@flat fog Inappropriate to the channel
flat fog
Needs to be shown tho, even if it is inappropriate.
dim field
This isn't the place for it and you're not supposed to name and shame here (even if you think they deserve it)
unique scaffold
@flat fog
A. Naming and shaming isn't allowed.
B. It does not pertain to the channel
Delete it or I'll ping a mod to remove it for you.
flat fog
Be great if there was such a rapid response to these players that are killing people matches wouldnt it...
unique scaffold
Thank you for your cooperation.
flat fog
Yeah.
deft owl
@pastel marlin Leo 1 neither have best dpm or best gun handlings. T62a have better dpm and fun handlings also gun mantlet is isnt trolish. Every time i easily punch through its 60mm gun mantlet.
Currently leopard 1 has the worst overall winrates among tier 10 meds according to offical stats. So please shut your mouth when you dont have a clue.
short crest
I’ve a 183 bounce my leo lol
bright terrace
Help pleased my
distant river
WG dont hate you, it is random 🤦 . Also this isnt the place to talk about "totally 100% rigged MM"
jade cargoBOT
Sir_Prisholm#2356 was muted
unique scaffold
If badger is enriched will it be in crates or for 20k gold?
I'm not getting crates idc the chances. Idk whether it's clear to you all but I've been having a break lately so I don't know how they are released
Also, they said they wouldn't remove the 183 but they might still make it a collector tank, or put it in the other new TD line and put the badger where the 183 currently is because that would make a bit of sense
main tulip
T28 and T28 Prototype need a buff
crystal spoke
Yes
unique scaffold
Tbh I don't think badger is different or exciting enough to be an enriched
smoky yoke
10 degrees of gun depression mostly
obtuse sparrow
Give Obj. 140 one degree more of gun depression.
twilit crystal
basically only stb and amx50b and m60 have 10 degrees of de;pression at tier X
wraith lance
And the FV4202
Yeah having 10° is a luxury at tier X
main tulip
I say buff the traverse, hp, and gun handling for both T28 and T28 Proto. A terrain resistance buff would be good as well
twilit crystal
buff it too much and then unicums might stat rehab and then we have a nerf coz wg doesnt understand balance stats
unique scaffold
☝️
smoky yoke
But isn't that any tank that has a slight advantage in one area over the next
Ru 252 is my favorite tank in blitz in the tech tree, fast mobilty wise, good dpm and light tank camo. Everything I like
But for new players and mid level players still mostly do bad in it >.<
Can't blame them with the new armor meta for this game. Almost all new tanks frontally is red
indigo knot
121b gets set on fire too much ....can anyone give me some tips ...I even use protective kit
iron lynx
You're lucky you only get set on fire instead of getting ammoracked
thick rover
Maybe for equipment use the one on the left for survivability (Top row second column)
indigo knot
Using that also but it still is the same case with fire
hollow bridge
Please buff is6, I know I am rubbish but it is no fun at all.
iron lynx
IS-6 has been severely powercreeped
hoary lance
Is6 is not that bad @hollow bridge
hollow bridge
Compared to what? Tier 6?
humble spear
but for real, it might be powercreeped, but it isn't a bad tank at its tier
iron lynx
Slightly underwhelming
It's a powerful tank previously
wraith lance
Its good for Mad Games, the DPM skyrockets so it makes a ton of credits
wet wharf
The Tiger 2 needs a buff in both PC and Blitz
wraith lance
Its pretty decent on Blitz though
wet wharf
Just a turret armour buff would be better. Hate it when tier 7s go through the font of your turret with impunity
wraith lance
I agree
wraith lance
It's not that they're crap but more that it's boring. The other day I played with a couple of friends and everything is slow paced
hoary lance
What is your ig name? @wraith lance
wraith lance
Pittoors_ on the NA server
tiny lark
I think the Tiger II's armor is good where it is rn in blitz
warm meadow
Yeah
indigo knot
Can anyone give me some tips on how to play Super Pershing....i really suck in it
Can't use the armour and the gun and mobility sucks for me
hushed pollen
Grille 15 needs a camp buff I mean it gets spited BEFORE the 183! Not to mention it’s damage and ate of fire was reduced!
- camo * spotted *rate .-.
humble spear
camp buff
hushed pollen
And it went from THE most accurate gun in the game to ONE OF the most accurate guns in the game. It also only has a 50 degrees rotating turret and its top speed was also buffed!
@humble spear SHUSH but yea basically the same thing lol
iron lynx
I think the guns of Russian meds are more accurate tho
meager spruce
@iron lynx I am pretty sure that german tanks are more accurate. Let me check.
Just checked, T 62A has the same aim time as Grille15
lunar niche
Russians have better soft stats
iron lynx
So the tier X Germans doesn't really have a big accuracy advantage over the Russians, which typically have bad accuracy
thick rover
HAHAHAHAHAHA bad accuracy gahhahahaha t62a
unique scaffold
The T-62 basically has a laser at this point.
thick rover
indeed
quick lichen
The aim time of the T62a isn’t relevant. You don’t need to wait to shoot
lunar niche
So, is gun depression the only thing holding it back from being OP?
unique scaffold
It really is a one trick pony. Hull down dpm dealer. I far prefer the 140 to it @lunar niche
Sold the 62 but kept the 140. It really is far more flexible.
Anyhow. How would you look at balance @twilit crystal ?
twilit crystal
Winrate Curves.
Taking specifically 55 to 65 is way too broad a range. Certain players could be more apt to play a tank such as the kpf 70 which is slowly getting buffed as it gets sold more the average player that buys it is closer to 55 than 65%. Look at the batchat chart. The blue represents a 47% = 47% average curve the green line represents teh batchat. For example a bad player does worse but a good player does better. Instead WG sees good players doing better and assumes the tank is op and nerfs it
@unique scaffold
neon grail
so high skill ceiling tanks suffer the most then
twilit crystal
^ exactly high skill ceiling tanks suffer a lot but idiot proof russian heavies gain a lot because there is a certain ceiling to them because of the bad accuracy and gun depression and the armor only holds so much
unique scaffold
That would work.
twilit crystal
IF PC WG balanced the batchat like blitz they would take 55 to 65 and see that the tank is 2-3% above in this range so they would nerf it. Yet no one in PC complains about the batchat being op except in comparisons to t10 lights which in general are UP
@quick lichen whats ur opin?
twilit crystal
The fact its the 4th lowest even with a high skill ceiling type tank shows how bad WG's balance is. For the average players its probably worse than a 183
quick lichen
About dead center on wr
twilit crystal
Its relatively balanced with the 55 to 65 but it should overall be slightly OP with this group so its slightly UP with sub 52ers rather than massively UP. A batchat on my team not driven by a unicum is almost always a detriment compared to a 140/ leo 1
unique scaffold
Are you saying the 140 is bad
twilit crystal
no im saying the 140 is ezier to play than the batchat and a 52% should never be playing the bat
because overall tanks like the batchats are garbage for the avg player because WG wants to make it an average tank for very good players rather than OP in that category and only merely below average for the average player.
lament vessel
Yeah, bc is a difficult tank to play
quick lichen
I get what you’re saying
Needs to be a bit better so that the average player can perform adequately
It’s certainly easier for average players to have continuous rof
The thing is at the top end, bat spam would be more prone
Especially in comp
lament vessel
Hm, I think it would be op in pro players hands...
quick lichen
It’s a fine balance of everything
Look at the Dracula
Op as hell in super uni hands
twilit crystal
It should have a more niche role to prevent spam in tourneys unlike the 140. We already see 4 Is4s per team anyway
quick lichen
Look at the Dracula
In average players hands, the drac isn’t anything really special
lament vessel
Yeah
Same with Type62
twilit crystal
again the vast majority of the game is based on 45-55ers not unicums playing comp tourneys
unique scaffold
I don't think the game should be balanced to competition standards.
Besides if it came down to a 7 v 7 of Bat Chats the best team would still win.
twilit crystal
whats the current match up anyway? About 4-6 Low profile good turret armor 400 dmg sloped upper hull russian/chinese heavies
im not even arguing for a major clip potential buff to 1400 rework but a small buff to 1050 potential or 2.5 sec interclip would probably make it more balanced overall among all players. The goal of balance should be the avg winrate of every tank to hit the avg winrate for all players although the distrubution of the winrates can and should be different. A is3 would have a very low distribution while a batchat would have a high distribution
quick lichen
The bat is balanced against the 183
Which is part of the problem
930 alpha and roughly 20 second reload
median gust
Circles it with ease
median gust
I doesn't need a buff clearly.
umbral jungle
Ferdinand needs a buffff big time.Needs more traverse and more top section frontal armor at least.
ivory flint
@twilit crystal thank you for being smart. The only reason the batchat has good average stats is because most the people playing it are super-unis. It's 4th on damage for a reason: its gun is practically worst in tier everything and there are no alternative tier ten lights to compare it to for balance purposes. That's probably why it's only got a 930 clip amd 3.0 seconds between shells instead of 1050 in a clip and 2.5 inbetween shells. I think the tank's over-all dpm is fine, but its gun feels unrewarding. It's somewhat innacurate (in my experience), lacks pen and has a weak slow burst damage cycle. If firing the gun and ruining your cammo, the one thing the batchat excels in, were more rewarding I think average players (myself included) would actually be able to get to grips with the tank.
wet wharf
The Tiger 2 needs a turret armour buff. It tries to be a Tiger 1 and an E 75 at the same time but ends up failing at both.
iron lynx
Reminds me of the time when the Tiger II is feared by many in the European theatre.
Sigh
cunning kindle
Most tier 8 tech tree tanks need a buff
coarse harness
thick rover
I love the gun it is fantastic pen
shy wren
Gun, mobility, troll armor. It’s pretty solid imo.
warm meadow
Probably
quick lichen
No
Nothing Chinese has has ever been nerfed
Where are you getting this “information” from?
somber badge
Balance the kpfpzs70.
It needs at last a better dpm or a better penetration for a 152mm gun at tier.
quick lichen
@rain token your tank hasn’t been nerfed
No Chinese tank has ever been nerfed
Do you comprehend that?
...
somber badge
@quick lichen hello sir,
A humble request can u please unblock me?
quick lichen
I’m responding to your complaint and all you do is try to shame my clan
warm meadow
Nice subject change @rain token
quick lichen
The 3v3 went really well. Rgn just played better. Congrats to them
twilit crystal
@quick lichen the wz 110
quick lichen
True
unique scaffold
What does being blocked or how pramo played have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?
somber badge
@rain token just tell iraik to unblock me
quick lichen
We don’t shame and start flame wars here
@somber badge but you are
Anyways
Now that Neptune doesn’t care if he gets an answer
unique scaffold
I'd do it on their server but banned >:(
jade cargoBOT
Neptune[CURSD]#8221 was banned
unique scaffold
unique scaffold
I suspect that the WZ-131G-FT may be a bit over powered.
orchid grove
@unique scaffold I told you it was overpowered. It doesn’t look overpowered at first glance, but it definitely is
unique scaffold
I agree. Not winning much because I'm uncomfortable in fixed gun tanks but when I play it right man it is a beast.
quick lichen
Wz 113 G looks like it probably needs a buff
orchid grove
@quick lichen We’re talking about the tier 6 lol
unique scaffold
Oh. I'm doing better than I thought.
quick lichen
Psh. @orchid grove I know that. 😉
orchid grove
I know you probably don’t play tier VI, but I was grinding through it, and halfway through, I realized the tank was completely broken
sullen vault
The lower tiers are the tanks that shine in the line.higher tier are underwhelming
T6 is nice,t7 is just a better su44 and the tier 8 i heard is amazing
orchid grove
@sullen vault The tier 6 is more than nice; it's completely overpowered lol
sullen vault
Owo
unique scaffold
I was planning to take the line to tier 7. You recommend taking it to 8?
@orchid grove @sullen vault
sullen vault
Never played t8 but i heard its really nice tank
orchid grove
The 8 honestly looks pretty decent; like a well armored JP2
unique scaffold
Well crap. I may finally actually grind out a TD line.
sullen vault
But i think the t10 needs a buff
rotund jasper
I see tier 9 wz TD almosy every second battle. But very rarely see tier 10. Probably because its almost the same tank lol
sullen vault
The tank line no one asked and a tier 10 that was disliked by most on pc
rotund jasper
Yep. I dont care abour chinese tanks at all, just waiting for swedes
shy wren
This isn’t a place for MM rants.
Pinned Messages
quick lichen
^
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. Become a 70%er and then platoon with another 70%er. Problem solved, easy peasy lemon squeezy.
quick lichen
In what way?
lament vessel
In the sides you mean? @radiant sparrow
hushed pollen
@radiant sparrow they’ve been working on that already, your pen RNG must be bad then
I’m just gana say it now before it becomes a problem later,
IF your adding Challenger, are you putting the 32 pounder gun on it with the 120* rotating turret?
And if not that’s going to be a noticeable problem if it comes out
thick rover
I got nothing to say about front, but for sides there could be nothing wrong with it due to it's v shape Hull and space armour if I'm not wrong at it's sides making it similar to IS-7 whenside scraping and your shells actually have to go through more armour/are at steeper angle which produce unexpected bounces/non penetrations
somber badge
Does this channel really work - is our opinion taken into consideration?
Anyways I also sent a ticket to wargaming for having a Buff on the prem t8 USSR medium t44100. It is worse than a normal t44. No dpm no penetration no depression and no armour. Plus less mobile for a tank with less armour.
modern rapids
So you sent a ticket asking for a buff and you are expecting a buff?
dusky oxide
Im pretty certain wg only looks at the performance charts. What i'm sure about is that your ticket is useless.
somber badge
No I am not, I hope-
modern rapids
If WG think it needs a buff. According to its statistics. They will buff it
somber badge
That it is why I sent a ticket. It may take time to realize that it isn't good and not worth the time I spent to earn it from the event.
modern rapids
Mate. Your ticket will go straight in the bin
somber badge
@modern rapids sorry for ping. But sending a ticket maybe the only way to inform wargaming about it. Because I dont know whether the discussions here are actually heard or seen by officials.
modern rapids
We can all tell WG to buff it. Doesn't mean they will
dusky oxide
@somber badge did you find a 'suggestions' ticket category to send your feedback to? If not, nothing will be done about it.
modern rapids
As said. They use stats and data to determine if a tank needs to be buffed of nerfed
somber badge
@modern rapids we can at least try. Because really the t44100 isn't good.
@dusky oxide no but there was patch feedback.
modern rapids
I'm just saying it's a waste of time
somber badge
Then what's the exact use of tickets or this channel is my question as well if they aren't reaching to us and If my ticket is going into the bin it's a waste of time for me as well because I wasted time on the 44100 to get it from the event. Never knew it would be so not good. I had hope that WG might do somthing since they did not I chose to write a ticket whether they reply or dont. It's just not fair you know.
modern rapids
I don't think the tank is so bad
dusky oxide
This channel is simply for discussing balance related subjects. Tickets are for helping you with a real issue :D
I agree with you that wg should gather feedback from eg. in-game surveys way more often. But balancing a single tank isnt something you can help wg with. @somber badge
somber badge
@modern rapids try it. Play the 44 and 44100 turn by turn.
I am saying because I am experienced with both tanks. Plus the t44100 gets crushed by any other medium tier 8 tank whatsoever.
modern rapids
I have tried it lol. I own it
I mean Its an ok tank. Not the greatest. And could do with a buff.
If WG think it needs a buff then they will. But they don't need us to tell them that
somber badge
@dusky oxide I agree with you. But what else can I do?
@modern rapids
I know you own it. But just take this into consideration . You are against an AMX CDC all alone. Exactly how are you supposed to beat it.
quick lichen
But wg continues to add equal or blatantly better premium tanks vs the tech tree
So the t44-100 “feels” awful
But it’s actually what a tier 8 premium is supposed to be
somber badge
@quick lichen the Lowe and t34 are muchhhh better. And as for 7.5 I would say the t44 is muchhhh better than 44100. Rather that should be made prem rather than this...
somber badge
So do I have to wait 1-2 years for it to get a buff?
That's saddening man.
I wasted time for a normal tank. Who earns just a little more credit.
Rather if I enrich the 44 .. dayum
quick lichen
You’re mad that the t44-100 isn’t op
When you should be mad that there’s a ton of op premiums instead
somber badge
No m8 @quick lichen I'm not mad I'm just sad that the t44100 isn't a match to any other medium tanks at tier 8.
I know there are more tanks I own it. But I try to play the 44100 because Its just sitting and rotting there in my garage .
quick lichen
I sold mine
modern rapids
Lol
modern rapids
I haven't played in a while
quick lichen
Mod 1 is far better
modern rapids
Every time I do I get ammo rekt
quick lichen
As is the type 59
somber badge
@quick lichen it easy for you to say. To sell it. But for people like us who are not yet adults are not allowed to buy stuff ingame it's hard to sell a premium.
modern rapids
Ahaha
quick lichen
It’s not hard to sell a premium
burnt venture
T49 still most OP tier 8 in pubs
modern rapids
I was gunna say by T49's as well
quick lichen
It’s like three taps of the screen
scenic yew
Can you apply for open test now it's delayed??
modern rapids
No
somber badge
@quick lichen @modern rapids see HEAT of the t49 went through its sideskirts .
And iraik. I would have sold it If i earned money and would have bought the list of tanks u mentioned above. But desperate times desperate measures
scenic yew
Fair enough
burnt venture
T49 HEAT can go through if they pull out sideways, because the caliber of the shell can overpower the distance between the skirt and side
somber badge
Isn't HEAT supposed to stop. If there is some obstruction in between. @burnt venture hence proved the side skirts are also a waste .. just for show.
Hello?
Sigh.
burnt venture
they are not really a waste... just depends on the thickness and the distance between the skirt and the primary armor, and it also depends on the caliber of the gun that is shooting the HEAT round
somber badge
@burnt venture those skirts work only when sideacraping... so basically sidescrape and play like a heavy?.
Medium tanks can go through this armour easily. So no use sideacraping
burnt venture
dude I'm not saying do anything, just highlighting facts where HEAT can pen spaced armor...T-44-100 is a crappy tank and has no armor so it should be drive thta way. You shouldn't even expose yourself to anything when spotted
quick lichen
E100 sides get penned with heat
It’s pretty obvious that the mechanic doesn’t work as intended
somber badge
@burnt venture yea i got your point but that is what im discussing here. to buff the t44100
burnt venture
WG thinks it's balanced because of the side skirts, which makes T-44 worse, but IMO I'm f2p so I really don't need more prem tank buffs
somber badge
f2p?
atomic hound
Free to play.
Lol @ the concept being alien to a blitz player though ahahah
quick lichen
Or you need to learn how to shoot it?
Right. 1v1 is 100% skill and not down to an rng bounce or fire
It’s not
You just don’t know how to shoot them but ok
visual nimbus
T22 isn’t hard to kill when you know where to shoot.
hearty cliff
Speak English much?
warm meadow
That was hard to read
visual nimbus
It’s upper plate is a big weakness literally
quick lichen
It’s funny you mention that @radiant sparrow , I do train people, but I don’t train rude people
unique scaffold
As soon as you challenge another player to a 1 v 1 in Blitz you have lost the discussion @radiant sparrow
jade cargoBOT
_CYB3R_GHOST_👻[-?-]#5118 was muted
distant river
@unique scaffold i dispute that, and will take it to a 1v1 to decide 😂
unique scaffold
@distant river you've already lost
distant river
Awww thats sad, but i guess it was a fair game...
tranquil wadi
Lol
plush thorn
T49 A needs to come back in the form of T49 B
twin meadow
When they look about the ghost shell???
outer crest
@tranquil wadi we want thé T49 A
unique scaffold
No "we" don't.
lament vessel
Yeah, we dont...
wraith lance
Agreed
tranquil wadi
Yeah agreed..:
teal olive
Agreed
sullen vault
Without any changes,bringing back the t49a would be wonderful
drowsy plaza
Same Control Mode on...
unique scaffold
The T49A was a blast... if you were driving the T49A.
drowsy plaza
After the first week of T49A and watching the KBM guided missile fiasco I turned to SCM - I never do that as a touch player
twilit crystal
uh the t49a was more op on mobile. It could literally hit across the map through hard cover as long as the enemy was spotted
teal olive
Lol tier seven lights were already underpowered then. T49A was just another broken tier seven to put them down
neon grail
Does the pta need a small gun depression buff? That things gun depression is weird.
thick rover
Perhaps a light hearted reminder to players of the Leopard 1 line that those tanks aren't meant to hulldown and peek out, before rewarding them with gun depression after they gone through the "training" and they can make more intelligent choices. When I was playing it I found it frustrating but the tank can still perform with such a fantastic gun and mobility
(Referring to the lack of gun depression being a lesson)
neon grail
I just wish the PTA had similar gun depression to the Leo 1
Does the ru have better gun depression than the PTA?
supple jolt
@twilit crystal the t49a was more op on PC, on PC you can autoaim by clicking rmb on a tank and your cursor stays on the tank even behind walls
You could shoot straight up into the air while running away from a light tank and autoaim then 5 seconds later your HE shell does 800 damage to the top of their tank
twilit crystal
Uh dude Mobile could do that. And you had to have a direct line of sight on PC . Against PC as long as your cover was solid and it wasnt super low to the ground you would be good. ON mobile as long as you were spotted you could be hit
supple jolt
On PC you only need to have direct line of sight long enough to autoaim on them and if you shot into the air in the opposite direction of your target then autoaim on them you could hide behind a wall and your shell would hit the roof of their tank even after you lose line of sight, on mobile the autoaim only aims at whatever is in the way in the line of sight instead of locking onto the tank
rapid citrus
I think the T28 prototype needs a speed and armour buff
distant river
Its gun makes up for those, and its armour will bounce if you use its depression
crystal spoke
I'm actually ok with how it is now it balances how good the top gun is
distant river
^
orchid grove
Honestly, the T28 prot is the single worst tank in the US tech tree, I’d support a buff, but then I wouldn’t be able to make fun of how bad it is
distant river
Really? You dont like it?
supple jolt
I've played over 400 games in it and in half of my games I get murdered by light tanks, it definitely needs a mobility buff to keep up with your team so they don't abandon you
twilit crystal
@supple jolt search up mobile t49a arty and come back
supple jolt
But on mobile you don't have autoaim lockon so its objectively worse than on pc
distant river
Lol i have a 70% WR in mine after 80 battles. I love how the tank can play as a second line heavy (ish) and i love its depression
unique scaffold
Both platforms had advantages. It was broke no matter how you played it.
orchid grove
The problem with T49 A wasn’t the missiles; it was the fact that it was a tier 8 light with more pen at tier 7
If it had like a 90mm missile, no one would have called it OP. Like literally no one.
supple jolt
But then it would've reloaded like every 8 seconds
unique scaffold
@orchid grove. I distinctly remember the sad couple of days after the T49 nerf where the T49A was running around. It was painful.
@unique scaffold. That is nonsense.
Playing on a iPad is just as good as playing on a PC.
supple jolt
The average PC player is statistically better than the average touch player
@unique scaffold SD meant that the part where touch players are more skilled is nonsense
orchid grove
Man, I remember back in the day when PC first came out and it was only against PC players; man those original PC players were garbage lol
unique scaffold
Playing on a phone vs playing on a iPad or PC would be more difficult. But to say that PC players have no skill is absolute nonsense.
quick lichen
Still don’t understand why pc is even a thing on a mobile game
Anyways, #tank-balance-discussion
supple jolt
But this is balance discussion?
quick lichen
It will be
twilit crystal
The t49a was more op on mobile . On PC the arty was only for the memes. 90% of arty shots weren't even that helpful
indigo knot
I think that T28 is worst tier 8 even worse than t28 proto
distant river
Why everyone hating on my T28 proto 😭
orchid grove
T28 is better than T28 Proto because T28 has a better gun, actually good camo rating (making it a half decent sniper), and is actually mildly faster.
quick lichen
Frontal armor is better by far
indigo knot
As long as you don't switch to heat
orchid grove
@quick lichen On which? They’re honestly pretty similar as far as effective armor goes, but the T28 Proto has a larger profile
indigo knot
Gun dep on t28 is 5°
cunning kindle
@quick licheni cannot reply coz still 1 min 30 secs left :/ but yes i agree nerf him
indigo knot
I wanna hear your opinion on Leo1 .....I love the tank but kind of think that the tank is team dependent .....I have seen many super uni wrecked at the start of the match....and it really doesn't have anything special accept for mobility.....if you want accurate gun play 62a which has better dpm and good turret .....like other meds have something special 140 has dpm and armour .....fv4202 has hesh and gun dep.....Stb m60 and M48 patton have turret and gun dep....Leo1 has got nothing special
cunning kindle
4202 and leo need buff
Domt @ me
twilit crystal
Both are fine . I guess FV could maybe use a small buff that isnt turret armor.An FV with turret armor would be op af
ivory fractal
Leo’s ok just fv4202 🙏
indigo knot
These tanks only work really well in super unis hands and absymal the hands of avg player like me....well super unis can drive anything .....
twilit crystal
Blame WG balancing thats idiotic.
indigo knot
But seriously 62a has better gun than leo1 that aim time is better that you can use refined gun 62a instead of vstabs
twilit crystal
and leo has better alpha,pen,gun depression and mobility.
indigo knot
T62a has rock hard turret with which you can simply farm even TDs
Though both have different playstyle but leo1 feels to me like team dependent just like Grille where if your team dies you can almost do nothing
cunning kindle
Yea i have high wn8 on the leo but low wr
And no i dont snipe in it
But eh i have the russian mts to statpad
indigo knot
In ratings I tried to play Leo1 few times but man I struggled a lot in it even Batchat boasts a better armour than Leo1
unique scaffold
I can't play the 62a well to save my life. I'm better in the 140 but enjoy the Fatton the most.
tranquil wadi
I’ve enjoyed the 121b the most. Pretty much a better T62 with better hull and trading alpha for DPM
dusky oxide
121b is versatile as hell. Even gets the -6° gd. Its turret is not as strong from the sides but does as well as that of the t62a
The only thing i dislike about it is the low module hp but as long as you dont get hit too much its fine
I'd play it a lot more if i found t10 more exciting 🙄
kindred carbon
Anyone know when they are going to nerf the grave digger? I've herd talk about it
distant river
Not that i am aware of (but tbh im jot aware of much soo...)
tranquil wadi
@dusky oxide agreed. I’ve found the turret armor to be around the same as the 62s but you get the extra gun depression. Yeah the module HP sucks though, I’ve been set on fire/ammorack damage etc more than any other tier X I’ve played lol
dim field
Hopefully they don't nerf the GD more than reducing that recoil.
dusky oxide
It wouldnt be so bad if there werent so many big alpha guns :/ I have 3k battles on my type 59 and I remember being amused by getting randomly blown up but its not fun when you have to constantly repair your fuel cell etc on the 121B @tranquil wadi
tranquil wadi
Yeah sad to see Tier X so TD dominated and Tier VIII so heavy dominated...nothing more satisfying than circling a TD or heavy 😉
And at least the 121b doesn’t get as ammo racked as the Russian meds from what I’ve noticed, count your blessings haha
dusky oxide
Im waiting for a meta change 😆 I checked on armor inspector and according to it the soviet and chinese mts have the same hp for ammoracks but where the thers have around 200hp on the fuel cells 121b has only 175. Im surprised about the ammorack thing, i thought chinese ammoracks were always the weakest. Whats weird is that the loader and commander among with their related modules are on the wrong sides...
neon grail
tier x being td meta and tier 8 being heavy meta just makes it really boring
distant river
Just play tanks that can counter it like meds and lights
modest lotus
Why does the is4 have 30 shells and the maus has 68? Just got an is4 and I’m worried I’m gunna run out lol
quick lichen
There’s more room for ammo in a maus
modest lotus
Well ya. I was thinkin in terms of balance
twilit crystal
you almost certainly wont run out of ammo altogether although you will have to manage
the only nerf it needs is the turret weakspot back
quick lichen
Either the turret or front plate
finite notch
M48 pattons turret needs an armor buff, it seems that its turned to butter
dusky oxide
@distant river some people do still play meds and the batchat but thats clearly not a solution to TD spam :D
distant river
They can help spot or they can just become fresh meat...
dusky oxide
Well the thing is that your avg 48%er will always do better in the TD than the med. Some TDs are just that easy to play. They usually die last and its hard to take out multiple TDs alone, it usually requires a team effort. Its a problem when theres 6 tds in most t10 games because they create constant stalemates. Sometimes your team will have enough meds to take them out in no time but no-one wants to be the brave one on maps like dead rail. @distant river
teal olive
@twilit crystal agreed with the nerf. (If you’re referring to the weak spot on top)
tranquil wadi
What’s frustrating about the TD spam is how very bad players will simply sit at the back the entire battle and expect you to do all the spotting and absorbing damage for them and rage when a team fails to do this. Another is (from what I’ve seen) having 3 TDs and 2 heavies on each team...makes games extremely campy like Castilla and mines
twilit crystal
the only horrible map is mines because there is no td counter
slim rivet
Nah it’s ok, 3 tds per team is fine. Everybody is camping now which is awesome. I think WG should had some new tds line (oh, wait, it’s already the case? Perfect!) and put the limit of tds per team to 7
finite notch
7 TDs would be bad,draws would happen too often
slim rivet
Since tds favors fluid and interesting gameplay, encourage skill and rewards awareness WG should remove every tank save the tds. We want more tds! Up to 10 per team @lusty silo
quick lichen
You’ll love what they’ve got in the pipe works
slim rivet
I know 😦 more tds @quick lichen
quick lichen
I’ll pray for you
slim rivet
IF WG wants to kill its game it’s ok. I will just focus on CW and stop playing randoms 🤷♂️
And I ll just stop CW when meta ll be 7 x EUR 500 t22
quick lichen
Nah. Turn it into runners vs rammers
slim rivet
25 tds in red team (and in mine) for my last 10 games. Amazing
twilit crystal
@prime walrus