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#tank-balance-discussion
drowsy plaza
Prammo is expensive - now I rarely shoot Prammo as I hate the dmg loss. But make no mistake I will spam it like a ^*%#+ if needed
hidden scaffold
I will continue reposting this until people learn how to play against a superheavy
unique scaffold
@hidden scaffold. You are going to be busy
hidden scaffold
“Omg guys this tank that’s literal purpose for existing is to absorb damage just keeps bouncing shots, lets all keep shooting it instead of the 6 other enemy tanks that have less armor and far better dpm”
quiet kite
Except that when you're not dealing with the vk it's pumping 128mm shells into you and your team.
quick lichen
I love that. I don’t want to deal with vk 100s so I don’t play tier 8
Tier 7 is way worse
And tier 9 has tons of German super heavies
So I guess have fun in tier 6 and below
quiet kite
@quick lichen I had to fight one in an is2 earlier and all he had to do was drive forwards.
dim field
Tier 7 vs Tier 8.
Assuming you are both fighting head on and of equal skill. Tier 8 should win
granite dock
Unless that tier 8 player cant play right
quiet kite
@dim field the problem is he was able to just drive forwards with virtually no punishment. That tank literally takes no skill to drive. All he did was drive forwards and wiggle and he ended the match without receiving any damage after being shot at by half of my team.
lunar niche
If i try doing that in VK, it will be an instant deletion.
dim field
None of them aimed at the lower plate or drove to the side did they?
granite dock
Or used HE
lunar niche
If the reds don't know how to deal with it, it can clear a flank. But if they do, it won't last much.
quiet kite
@granite dock yes because 90 and 100mm he rounds will do so much to something like that.
granite dock
Eh.....little bit
granite dock
Dam....
quick lichen
Look at your team on the map and tell me how exactly they were supposed to save you?
lunar niche
No one pushed lol
granite dock
They stayed back and camped:/
quick lichen
You’re a low tier heavy. What did you think would happen?
I’m sorry but playing like this is why the vk 100 p is “broken op”
granite dock
This guy really know sum stuff
quick lichen
It’s not honestly all that insane. People just don’t play smart against them
@granite dock you could say I know the vk well
granite dock
Oh...ur #1....go figure xD lol
unique scaffold
IS, IS-2, IS-3, IS-5 and IS-8 require skill - change my mind
quiet kite
They weren't supposed to save anyone because they couldn't do anything. Half our team was made up of tier 7 heavies and we got matched against a Lowe and vk 100. The 2 t49s got murdered by some tier 7 meds. Even in my tier 8s against that thing it is a huge pain to deal with.
quick lichen
Then why would you go heavy side?
@unique scaffold you forgot the is6
And is4
And is7
And is3d
granite dock
Or the is ....something (bear)???
quick lichen
And is6 fearless
lunar niche
If it wasn't a huge pain to deal with, it wouldn't be a superheavy
quick lichen
^^^
rain ivy
And the WZ 111, 112 Glacial, 112-2
quick lichen
Is3 bear is a normal is3 with a camo
granite dock
Those are considered is??
Oh...
rain ivy
And IS2 SH
granite dock
So were goin into the isu now cause it has is in it? XD
rain ivy
Most of them have the same gun, like 100%
lunar niche
I do pretty bad in all IS tanks though. No Russian bias for me
unique scaffold
I do bad in them but that’s because I suck
quiet kite
@rain ivy is2sh really does take some form of skill to play though. The turret is nowhere near as strong as the other tanks in the IS series and the armor isn't amazing but it works.
rain ivy
@granite dock not really, but thees so many of the same kind of heavy that only the Superheavies can handle.
dim field
As somebody who loves the ISU, it requires some skill and map awareness, but most likely not as much skill as a medium or light
granite dock
Most people with turretless tanks sometimes go ina corner er something.... Is that a good decision or bad?
lunar niche
@granite dock Corner camping or sidescraping?
rain ivy
@quiet kite it's still an IS series tank. I enjoy it and the Glacial, I'll skip the rest
quiet kite
Depends on the tank. @granite dock
granite dock
Like mabye the jadgtiger...
Both @quiet kite
unique scaffold
Legit because JagdTiger is made out of ammoracks lol
quiet kite
I had alot of success in the Ferdinand playing both the cancerous sniper and on the front lines.
dim field
Depends on what's going on. If from that corner you can provide strong cover fire to the vast majority of your team, I don't oppose it if you can land your shots. However if your team goes away from you and it's just you in a corner waiting for the enemy to just show up then I'd advise against it.
granite dock
Oh yea true
rain ivy
The BL-10 is a gift and a curse @dim field
unique scaffold
Give ISU BL-4S instead of this
rain ivy
BL-10 is better, pens the front of most of it's competition
unique scaffold
That’s the point here. Platoons of those aren’t very healthy for the game
white vessel
Isu 2nd best t8 td
quiet kite
How's the wz 110? 18k xp from it.
unique scaffold
Meh
It’s just like every other IS but with bigger lfp and different gun
coarse harness
Just good
quiet kite
Typical pike tank?
coarse harness
The upper plate is stronger than on the IS tanks
unique scaffold
But smaller 🤷🏻♂️ and with big lfp
coarse harness
But you can hide it👀
dim field
I use BL-10.
Love it when an over confident Light/Med tries to harass somebody on my team and I just near one shot them.
Absolutely hate when it's absorbed by the tracks or just loses the will to live and just slaps the dirt
quiet kite
Instead of saying "lfp" or "lower front plate" just say lower plate or lp. Everyone will know what you're talking about.
unique scaffold
The good part of WZ-110 is the gun which is more versatile than the typical soviet 122mm
Better reload, gun handling but less alpha
jovial kernel
@quiet kite hecc u it's LFP
quiet kite
@unique scaffold and I've got the gun and engine from the med line 👌
summer notch
Daily reminder that the Ferdinand needs a buff
quiet kite
Not really It's fine the way it is.
quick lichen
The jpanther 2 is better in every single way
jovial kernel
the JP 2 actually has slightly less gun arc but otherwise yeah
lunar niche
That time it got buffed, if recieved a nerf shortly lol
quick lichen
It’s traverse makes up for it
summer notch
Nah, It needs either a pen buff or an armor buff so that it can compete at its tier. Hell an engine buff would be nice, it doesn’t even need all three, just one of these needs to be buffed
quiet kite
They have very different play styles but ok. With the ferd I never had any real problems.
jovial kernel
the Ferdinand needs the dpm buffed to match the JP2 then have some accuracy tacked on imo
summer notch
There is better pen for AP on the 88 gun than the 105, for example. Which makes no sense from a practical standpoint
coarse harness
The Ferdi was good before the last nerf imo
jovial kernel
3mm isn't big enough of a gap to be anywhere near unrealistic
unique scaffold
3mm, not such a big difference, and the 12,8cm is better than 8.8 and 10,5
quiet kite
If you have the 128 why bother with the 105 or 88 on either tank?
unique scaffold
^
summer notch
I don’t have the 128, yet
The 105 should have significantly better penetration than the 88 in my opinion
jovial kernel
nah, the JPanther at tier 7 would get way too much of a buff considering that's an already decent tank
quiet kite
And everyone says the ferd needs a buff but nobody takes into consideration the gun depression, gun arc, and dpm as well as the traverse. That thing is pretty damn scary in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.
And .36 dispersion is completely fine for 128mm at tier 8
summer notch
Then the Ferdinand should get a different gun than that of the Jagdpanther, or better ammo to be.
jovial kernel
The JP 2 is better than the Ferdinand in armor, mobility, and dpm. Why would anyone play the Ferdinand?
thick condor
It is not better armor wise
summer notch
You can have as much Arc, Depression, and DPM as you want but it won’t make a difference if you cannot pen
thick condor
If you cant pen with that gun, you need to rethink what youre aiming for
jovial kernel
the JPanther 2 can hull down and bounce prammo, the Ferdinand has armor that everyone can punch through with prammo
unique scaffold
It’s because it’s too flat
JagdPanther II has sloped armor
quiet kite
@summer notch pen is never an issue with the ferd or jpanther so don't pull that one on me.
unique scaffold
He’s having trouble with stock gun
quiet kite
Think of the ferd like this. If you're playing front lines find a slope and combine your gun depression with your gun arc. Makes it rather difficult to pen.
summer notch
@jovial kernel I went up the Tiger (p) and it was the quickest route to the Jageru
@unique scaffold stock and the 105mm
jovial kernel
@quiet kite that would work if prammo didn't exist.
unique scaffold
Or ISU-152
quiet kite
It does work Just angle like I said and wiggle a bit. Play it like you would a tortoise but without any hatches.
unique scaffold
Tortoise hasn’t got armor it’s all about the fire rate
quiet kite
The tortoise has plenty of armor if you angle it properly. The ferd for all intents and purposes can play the same way but it doesn't have any hatches.
Find a slope and combine gun depression with gun arc and you'll be fine or go and find a bush to hide in and snipe. Either way the ferd is good as it is right now.
unique scaffold
The tortoise just gets HESHed in the front
With more gun arc it’d maybe work
white vessel
If u ever get hit by a fv183 its ur own fault
summer notch
The FV183 still should be nerfed if not removed imo
unique scaffold
I don’t own it. I just said that armor wasn’t its stronger side. Now 183 got an accuracy nerf so hitting cupolas will be harder
Tortoise = 229mm front
AT 15A = 229mm but more sloped and with more gun arc
This tank is about RoF in my honest opinion
summer notch
Still makes no sense having it be the top of the AT line, if anything it should be an offshoot with its one line leading to it. Perhaps like what K think they should have done with the FV215b on PC, it should have become an alternative branch that coexisted with the the S. Conqueror
white vessel
Again its pretty hard for a fv183 hit u if u dont go infront of its sights
unique scaffold
I never said otherwise.
Btw I’d like WG to add FV217 Badger as an alternative tier 10 at the end of AT line
summer notch
I think it should be nerfed on the basis that its still a broken tank, and replaced by the Badger, WG shouldn’t make it unavailable, just create a BS line of derpy british TDs to lead up to it, like the FV4005 Stage II has.
The thing is, I still want this tank, I just don’t want the drastic change in play style that would come with it.
quiet kite
@summer notch the 183 is ok. They removed its armor a while ago making it a paper tank and they just nerfed the crap out of its gun.
rain ivy
They need to swap premium HESH for HEAT, that'd be a step in the right direction
summer notch
Nah, it still needs to be nerfed, no other tank can defeat the point of blitz like the 183, as Meadsy covered in his video on it, it just ruins the meta and turns non-superheavy’s into target practice. It makes everyone terrified to push and rightfully so
It takes a game about fast pace and maneuvering and turns it into “who will get nuked first if they push”
quiet kite
As someone who has 900+ games in the 183 it isn't as op as you think. If you miss a shot you're in for a hell of a reload. The 183 gets picked apart in moments if you make a mistake while playing it.
summer notch
That usually happens after you have dispensed you Nukes
unique scaffold
It isn't about being OP. It is about tier X being saturated with 183's and their presence not being conducive to a enjoyable game experience for other players.
quiet kite
^
summer notch
Thats my main issue outside it being (in my opinion) OP
rancid flame
I'm not sure the 183 is OP, more like it just can't be balanced for Blitz. The health pools are just too low in Blitz, and lets remember, it got removed from PC even though PC was already notoriously campy and has much larger HP pools
unique scaffold
PC has still got FV4005 II aka doombarn which is similar
lone warren
The 183 isnt op. Its just bad for the tier and its a tank that shouldnt really belong in the game.
spark orchid
VK100 really needs a mobility nerf, that thing turns too fast for its size🤔
jovial kernel
Just chop 5d/s off the track traverse then nerf the hatch to 200mm and it's balanced
azure hare
How much xp is needed for tier viii personal access ?
unique scaffold
good evening I would like to know if we will see the Type 5 heavy 😍 arrive on blitz one day thank you
@unique scaffold. To the best of our knowledge they aren't.
jovial kernel
And in my personal opinion they have 0 place in the game and shouldn't be here no matter what
quiet kite
The type 5 line would break the game.
junior tulip
Okay, so based on this chart. The VK 100 is definitely OP. And my beloved T-34-2 Needs a buff
jovial kernel
I wouldn't do much with the VK tbh, just nerf the track traverse by 5 degrees a second, lower hatch armor from 208 to 200, then knock off 1 degree of gun depression
drowsy plaza
What I see above is a playerbase in desperate need of a buff
naive ibex
oh my potato... vk100.01p such too good xd
but hey... wheres m41 90mm? (AYYY) and other premiums?
drowsy plaza
It’s an incomplete sheet
elfin heath
Tier 8 is so toxic these days that running the VK100 is about the only thing you can do tbh. That glorious hunk of metal needs a little bit of a nerf though. Some tier 7s can’t pen it at all and many tier 8s have trouble against it without prammo.
junior tulip
Im one of the few people who still play the T-34-2, it's a fun tank to drive. But it can't compete with other mediums and struggles to pen superpershings without prammo
iron lynx
Hard to pen super persh even with prammo
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold maybe someday ?
No it isn't. There are weak spots on the top and the sides of the turret. Plus the lower plate is a easy pen.
quick lichen
Super Pershing is hard to pen if you can’t aim
modest lotus
I think the vk is perfect. If u nerf it, it will only pronounce more clearly the op premiums of tier 8. It think it was a good way to fan the dumpster fire that is tier 8 balance
quick lichen
The vk needs some minor adjustments. Mainly a little less traverse
drowsy plaza
Vk 100.01 (P) is not OP. The issue is a vast amount of players are Under Performing. It’s big, slow, clumsy and has a low health pool. I love to dance around them in Meds or Heavium. The only folks who significantly struggle with the Vk are heavies/heaviums that think they are a super heavy. It’s a pretty easy pen for any tier 8 who aims - or gets close.
modest lotus
Yup
drowsy plaza
My WR in the Pz58 and avg dmg is comparable 71-72% and 2100 avg dmg to the Vk I don’t see folks running around complaining the 58 needs a nerf.
modest lotus
Only thing at tier 8 that needs a nerf in my book is the wz td
drowsy plaza
Some folks won’t trade ground for time to whittle down a Vk if they should - and complaining it’s OP when they don’t aim and bounce off.
WZ-120-Fake Tank is balanced by a lack of a turret. It’s got great features but if you don’t always play it in a toon, it’s very vulnerable
modest lotus
Too me it’s speed is wat pushes it over the edge of too much. Everything else is fine but it’s way to quick for that frontal armor and dpm
unique scaffold
I think they need to buff light tanks because mediums are taking their positions by having longer view range and barely less speed. then they also have plenty more dmg and armour. they are able to bounce bullets unlike a normal light tank. take the AMX vs B-C. one is faster but has less DPM, less armour, less view range. seems unfair right?
they then also put wheeled tanks in wot that can go upto 95k backwards and forwards.those have small view tangent yet are doing better than a light tank.
junior tulip
What I think they should do is improve camo rating in lights, or decrease view range in meds
unique scaffold
yeah and decrease gun power and dispersion in light tanks to discourage camping with overpowered camouflage rating
junior tulip
It doesn't need to be overpowered camo rating. It just needs to have a noticeable difference between lights and meds
unique scaffold
there will always be that one dude camping the back in a M41 bulldog
junior tulip
There's already a problem about that with heavies and meds as well. I've seen my fair share of IS, IS7s and so on camping in the back trying to play a TD role, and most of the time they lose the game for their team. And it's frustrating. I'd like to see extensive commands like in PC. You can point at an ally and command them "follow me" which could really help in some situations
unique scaffold
Players not knowing how to at their tanks is not limited to Bulldog drivers. @unique scaffold
fiery flame
You can’t balance the brains of idiots who think that they should camp in heavies
junior tulip
^
unique scaffold
I didn't mean it in that way. I was making an example.@unique scaffold but yeah,you can't change the brains of an idiot. I personally know the AMX well as i have taken tutorials and asked help, also practicing in rooms
it's good to know your main inside out
junior tulip
And the community is full of toxic players. There's no way around that. But if we could run it through our heads not to insult bad players, but to offer help to them to show them what they're doing wrong. Then maybe we could improve the community
unique scaffold
yeah. I think WG should have this day where they get all tomatoes (not in a bad way I'm a half tomato lol) throw them in a room and give them helpful instructions on how to play
although this'll never likely happen
junior tulip
They don't need that though. I've heard a lot of people say this, and I agree. They need more extensive tutorials, like how to sidescrape, how camo works, ect.
unique scaffold
yeah. I mean camo is a nice one to start with. like bush tactics. see a tank, moving backwards until you can't see out the bush, shoot. or sidescraping, Goin on an angle to force the opponent to not have any angles to pen
I don't think tutorials will solve this issue. You can't force a player to learn. If you make the tutorials to in-depth you run the risk of driving players away. Too easy and there is no point.
There are all sorts of resources for players to utilize if they want to learn.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't force them to drink. The same goes for players in this game.
what if they asked if they wanted to continue the tutorial and say that it's it's a bit hard
then we'll raise some greenies
crystal spoke
You could have a basic one (like now) and have optional tutorials for more complex
unique scaffold
yeah exactly that
It's all about a return on investment. Why make tutorials if they fall on deaf ears.
I think a far better way to go would be to direct players to here, the forums, Bushka, and other well known YouTubers.
imagine a KV-2 on a BT-2
crystal spoke
Bt7 art / bt42
@unique scaffold what if they had a direct link to channels like bushka
unique scaffold
That is what I'm saying. Point a player in the right direction but don't force it on them.
I personally think it should be there so then people can make the choice of playing the more thorough tutorial as I would take it, I didn't even know what side scraping was until a year ago and I have been playing for 3 years make make a link to a tutorial by quickybaby have have it OPTIONAL
crystal spoke
Oh ok I thought you ment have a little page saying if you want to learn more about then look up not a direct link my bad for miss understanding
unique scaffold
My apologies for not being clear.
wispy tinsel
Buff t54 s reload time 6.6 then 2.0 pls bcs it needs buff
crystal spoke
Your good I should have read further in
junior tulip
Well I agree to some extent. BUT they can reward players who complete the whole tutorial like they do on console and pc. So it doesn't completely go to waste. And players who think the tutorials are too hard don't have to do them
unique scaffold
You can't make them retain the knowledge.
A player who seeks out the information is far more likely to put it to good use.
jovial kernel
What if WG adds quizzes to tutorials that you need to pass to get the rewards
unique scaffold
Still doesn't make them retain the knowledge.
What made you learn and retain knowledge as a child. A parent giving you $20 for an A or truly being interested in a topic and seeking out information on your own?
jovial kernel
fair enough
unique scaffold
I've spent countless hours in math classes and passed all sorts of tests... I can't remember hardly any of it.
Meanwhile I've had a life long love of the F-14 Tomcat. I have searched for knowledge from the pilots and have become a walking encyclopedia of Tomcat knowledge (drives my wife crazy 😆).
You can't make someone retain knowledge. They have to want it.
unique scaffold
what of they gave you gold for each tutorial part. you get 300 gold for completing Blitz tutorial. maybe give an additional 200 for completing harder tutorial/quiz? @unique scaffold
Still wouldn't make someone use or retain the knowledge.
quiet kite
@junior tulip if you saw my screenshot earlier you would have seen a kv3 camping with an isu and a stock tiger 1 rushing ahead and getting molested by 3 enemy tanks.
unique scaffold
although they can do this why don't we do the tutorial then let's them have 30 to 50 games showing the tum they are doing something wrong, then give the secondary tutorial saying it will increase their WR
Buff Caernavnon
upbeat tide
But how though
jovial kernel
Caer is fine tho
white haven
needs armor buff
unique scaffold
Yeah, armor buff so that it will be OP as hell 🤦🏾
white haven
^^
jovial kernel
Caer has a huge health pool and 2555 dpm with good pen, doesn't need buffs
wet quail
Don’t buff it, if you ask WG to they’ll over cook it like the tiger one and tiger p. Then it’ll get nerfed into oblivion
cursive acorn
@obsidian osprey yeah you'll need to talk to a mod if you want to claim the "Veteran" role.
obsidian osprey
Thanks
indigo knot
I hope JagpzE100 gets some love in mobility department from WG
twin ocean
WG, let’s be clear about one thing: your matchmaking is absolute SHIT. It’s time to balance games with WR not with tank’s type
Moving to warthunder
indigo knot
I think MM is fine. Everyone has a bad day in blitz but doesn't mean that MM sucks. Yaa but platoon match maker should be there like relative WR platoons against each other. Not like 40% platoon against 65%
midnight hamlet
I agre matchmaking it is horrible
lone warren
For about the 100th time, please look at pinned messages
@indigo knot some more traverse would be ideal
unique scaffold
@twin ocean @midnight hamlet
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Matchmaking is fine. It gets players into matches fast. The rest is on you. It isn't matchmakers responsibility to give you a team to carry you.
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Read the pinned messages. This isn't the place for matchmaking discussions. #general-blitz-discussion is the place you want to be.
midnight hamlet
@unique scaffold i am 58 % wnr player no need team carry me , the matchmaking it not good know
unique scaffold
It's fine. The majority of the playerbase is awful. 60% + players make up less than 5-10% of that. When you take into account the number of players in que it is nearly impossible to balance the hundreds of bad players with the handful of good players. Especially once it has to consider the tiers and who is tooning.
It is random and that is the best you're going to get right now. Like I said before, the rest is on you.
remote valley
can the he dmg of the kpz 70 be buffed? it feels so dismal on tht tank
drowsy plaza
@midnight hamlet 58% in what tiers? I see a lot of folks who complain to no end that MM is awful and 99.99% of the time they are playing tiers where they can’t carry reliably.
One needs to understand that the playerbase isn’t very good. No one is going to carry you. You need to do all the heavy lifting yourself
night thunder
Nah can stay as it is but they need to buff the patton and obj 140 tho in comparison its underpowered compared to other meds maybe buff the patton dispersion on the move and aim time and slightly increases turret armor while for obj 140 resuce the reload by 0.3 sec and increase side armor by 5 so its more suited for brawling and both will be competitive without power creeping other mts
velvet edge
140 is fine
so is patton
look at #devs-answers, 140 is around the middle and patton is 2nd best
night thunder
Patton felt like its overshadowed by stb tho considering the stb alot more faster and had slightly better gun handling
velvet edge
has higher avg dmg and wr
night thunder
Ppl rarely plays patton
Well not rlly but stb is more used judging from my observation in tier x
lunar niche
I haven't seen STB in a while on EU
remote valley
i guess its because the patton is less noob friendly compared to the stb-1 since the patton has dat big profile less mobile than stb-1 and less dpm than stb-1
iron lynx
140 has two big cupolas
It can't hulldown effectively
remote valley
@iron lynx not tht easy to aim plus a lot of people dun even hit it well. wen they hit ur cupola its cause ur facehugging someone or the person is a skilled marksman or they are plain lucky
jovial kernel
140 turret just isn't strong in general
wraith lance
Btw is the 140 any worth it if I have the 62a?
jovial kernel
why not, it's another tier 10 but you don't need to play an entire line to get it
remote valley
no keep the 62a better for hulldown and has better gun capabilities although it has tht pen loss disadvantage ie the use of apcr over ap
unless u just want to collect otherwise dun bother getting obj 140 the playstyle is very similar
iron lynx
I'd actually prefer the Obj for its speed and 1 more degree of gun depression
remote valley
ya but if u have either of those tanks dun nid to get the other one unless u wan it for collection
iron lynx
Ah yeah
I plan on getting both anyway since I like the T-54
Depends on preference ofc
obsidian osprey
I feel like Patton and obj 140 are not the two meds at tier X that need the most attention. Poor FV4202 is such a turd
remote valley
problem with fv4202 is tht u nid a skeleton of skills to make it work ._.
unless ofc wg intends to bring in the action X into the game which most likely will be an event/ prem tank since the fv4202 was given the gun tht uses heat
native sparrow
Anyone else thinks the grille need some sort of camo buff if not mobility considering it has no armor?
drowsy plaza
Anyone using the 4202 with the HEAT gun needs to go back to tier 2.
velvet edge
4202 is also fine @obsidian osprey
read the #devs-answers charts
obsidian osprey
So they think because the small number of players that grind the 4202 and play it frequently are doing ok, it doesn’t need adjustment? I have never once seen it in either tournaments or played competently at tier X. There are so many more mobile AND better armored meds with better gun handling, pen, AND dpm. The only two things the 4202 has going for it are the gun dep and potential alpha of the HESH (why not just use the 121 if you want somewhat consistent 120/122 alpha then :/ ) It went through so many balance readjustments with the Cent 7/1 only to emerge with two different guns because WG gave up.
velvet edge
just because it isn't used in tourneys doesn't make it a bad tank
balancing tanks around comp is a stupid idea
also hesh dpm reaches near 4k lmao
night thunder
The case with the patton its overshadowed with stb it felt like a slower bigger stb this is why i would suggest improving turret armor and also snapshotting capabilities so it had something going on for it and 4202 is fine its pretty good 140 is just a slightly faster 62a with less pen, less accuracy and less turret armor amd they need to fix this two so they will be unique
obsidian osprey
So T62a and STB-1 are among the bottom of meds by that chart. That’s deeply concerning. I see why this game is so unbalanced if that is what WG uses to balance tanks (no weighting by number of 55%ers to 65%ers who play a tank for instance. Huge difference in skill)
velvet edge
so you'd rather have them balance based off of 40%er performance or something?
obsidian osprey
No, but Leo 1 is a very good med, but second to bottom based on that chart. Anything with no armor is automatically going to have a low winrate. I’d rather than be based on 60-70%ers 🤷♂️
night thunder
@obsidian osprey low wr bcuz tons of ppl using it and balancing by using the chart doesnt balance it at all its a pretty stupid decission they should balance the tanks by making each of then had specialized playstyle its better that way that being said each need some form of drawbacjs
obsidian osprey
yeah exactly I’m making the point that I think WG uses extremely flawed metrics to balance. They simply lop off all data other than historical performance of 55-65% players on RU in a given tank as far as I’m aware (or maybe 30-90 day, better but still flawed
iron lynx
What
T-62A is at the bottom of the charts?
I thought it's quite a powerful tank.
night thunder
Even 55%+ player sux sometimes and i had seen some people whos 70% able to use one tank but sux at the other this is why i say stats doesnt matter much as long as u know the basics ur good to go
velvet edge
62a is good, but hard playstyle to get used to
That's why it's at the bottom
night thunder
Same like stb and if statisticly speaking stb is bettter than patton in every single way except for side armor and the 140 suffer the same issue with the patton making them just a lesser version of another tank
velvet edge
140 isn't a lesser version of 62a
1 more degree of gun depression makes the gun so much more usable and it also has better sloped armor, great for poking corners
obsidian osprey
62a has better stats in every way except for 1 degree of gun dep and slightly worse straight line speed.
night thunder
Bcuz ppl use 62a more often
velvet edge
what does that have to do with anything?
stoic trail
t62 has better aim time and a slightly better turret, its the better tank.
night thunder
So it hadd more losses and thats the main reason why it had low wr while 140 a few uses it nowadays
obsidian osprey
Yeah I wonder what the distribution of 55-65%ers in each is. Hypothetically, let’s say 2000 55%ers and 1000 65%ers play the 62a and 2000 65%ers and 1000 55%ers play the 140 over 3 months. Not at all implausible based on weird preferences and in group knowledge. Yet WG’s charts don’t purport to track this sort of imbalance at all (based on their balancing decisions in general, I suspect they don’t track at all)
stoic trail
gun stats matter way more than anything else, then turret armor. mobility is a given so why bother discussing it? theyre both good enough.
velvet edge
@night thunder where do you get the numbers for this
night thunder
Also we need to take in the assumption that there is a possibility of trolls who block and yolo rushes in a team so balancing based of chart is a pretty dumb idea in general
@velvet edge personal view point since i play high tiers often so i took note of that
velvet edge
so you're saying those trolls would only be affecting one tank? lol. also the chart is 55%-65%
night thunder
Like i said wr based is not reliable since some of these 55-65 might be sealclubbers and the mentioned factor above
velvet edge
ye of course they'd choose to troll only the t62 to make the tank seem bad
seems logical
ye of course the seal clubbers definitely would only exclusively affect one tank
for sure, that's what makes the stats fake
native sparrow
Yeah the idea of top clans using win rate as a recruitment method is kinda stupid... Casual games its just pure chance
velvet edge
are you saying that unironically?
native sparrow
I mean in general, most clans use win rate still..
velvet edge
top clans generally use damage and winrate at high tiers
native sparrow
Winrate at high tier still doesnt matter, its still based on team there's only so much one can do
night thunder
More or less its the amount of people who is using it which makes the chart unreliable and which is why the balancing mechanic is pretty terrible in this game. Stb 1 and 62a is spammed and not everyone is good in it which lead to the low wr in the charts. Its common sense considering stronger tanks tends to get used alot and not all is good in it
native sparrow
I use grille in tier 10 and i usually win
velvet edge
oh really? here's a simple experiment you can do @native sparrow
- Go afk for 100 games, record winrate
- Now using the same tank, actually try to play
- Compare winrates
I guarantee you there will be around a 20% difference
night thunder
Im not risking to get banned... do it urself @velvet edge
native sparrow
Need i mention that you are also apart of team? And yes ive seen games with 2 afks and still win
night thunder
And wr doesnt matter its a team based game u cant expect to win with full ht , mt or td game
native sparrow
Ive had so many games in grille 15, doing 4/5k dmg, and yet we still loose our second best player doing only 1k if not less
night thunder
Poinnt is tier x needed to be alot more diverse instead of having a tank being a lesser version of another one which is why i suggest buffing patton and 140 to be buffed
native sparrow
140 was better then t62
night thunder
Before nerf yes @native sparrow
Its a shadow of its former self now i remember back then used to be super strong
native sparrow
Right, i read up that grille 15 (favorite tier 10 so far), has the worst camo rating in its tier.. and yet its mobility was nerfed and it has no armor
night thunder
Ye idk why wg do that beside possibly to reduce snipers because of DyNAmIC gameplay
native sparrow
I still play grille sniper, though i never used it before nerf
night thunder
Lol its supposed to be a sniper and its still really good even after post nerf and u can execute ra1d tactic
obsidian osprey
140 used to be THE tourney tank. Then IS7, now IS4. Things change. In any case, it’s not about bad players “fixing” one tank’s stats. It’s about what attracts people in general to play a tank. E50M for instance is well played across the spectrum by good and players- it’s popular because it’s German (who knows why), and also because it’s good. I think we can all agree it’s been heavily buffed nonetheless.
native sparrow
Oh @obsidian osprey i wanted tp talk to you in dm if you dont mind
obsidian osprey
sure thing, I’m always open to a chat. Not trying to stir the pot or anything
native sparrow
Actually my first med/light for tier 10 is batchat...just dont have the nerve to rind gold tanks due to poor teams
night thunder
Batchat is good and ill be mad if wg tinker with it
native sparrow
It gets ammo racked easily or the tier 9 did
night thunder
Well the tier 9 is paper the tier x will bull of moracle bounces since i bounced some obj 268 and t110e3 b4
native sparrow
Ive played tournament in e3 against bc, and have seen the armor , ot pretty much is tiny leo 1
iron lynx
60mm of glorious French steel
night thunder
@native sparrow meanwhile in tourneys its the only tank i have that im good with since i find the 62a a bit too sluggish to get to key positions fast
native sparrow
I dont have it in garage yet due to low credit count, i actually am missing a bunch of tier 10 due to credit issues.. i never use premium time
remote valley
play low tiers or tanks such as vk 28.01 they make credits
native sparrow
I have 5.8 mil rn, just it isnt enough for 4 or 5 tier 10
night thunder
@native sparrow same here and i only have 1.5mil but im saving up to get 113
native sparrow
I want 113, i have the tier 8 for that line
night thunder
@native sparrow im in the wz 111 1 4 now and its a pretty solid ht altho i find the hull to be underwhelming but hey at least the turret is tough as heck and the gun is quite accurate
native sparrow
Sarcasm not needed
night thunder
Rich @quick lichen also what tank u use for grinding creds ?
ember plinth
I have 200k
quick lichen
Salt not needed
@night thunder uh take your pick
Defender, skorpion, wz td, Type 59, wz112-2, t34 and lowe are all fun
night thunder
K ima stick with t34 since idk why im bad in lowe and i dont have the rest
ember plinth
@night thunder Boi I drove lowe, imo Lowe>>>T34
quick lichen
They’re both solid
native sparrow
Dont have t34, but i have lowe
ember plinth
Lowe has a better gun... Like its point n shoot. T34 has a good gun too but you have to aim just a bit before shooting and that just a bit of time can make a lot of difference which i assume you know
night thunder
Yep altho i like t34 more because im very good in peek a boom hulldown
native sparrow
Yeah ik, grille is point and click,
I want the skorp, but im not paying 30$ for a chance at it..
winged barn
The is2 is garbage.
unique scaffold
T34-3 Chinese good tank
night thunder
@winged barn its pretty alright
winged barn
@night thunderit is inferior to the is in literally every way
night thunder
Yes it does but idk why i do good in it
winged barn
It cannot hit anything with either of its guns. It never seems to pen on the rare occasion that it does hit. It has meh dpm. It has meh armor. It has meh speed.
obsidian osprey
T-34-3 is hard mode. I’ve done roughly 300 battles in it vacillating between 58-62% winrate with 1600 average damage. It’s not good. I personally think it just needs a pen buff up to 200mm and it’d be fine. T-34–2 could use a dpm buff instead; make them sufficiently different to be interesting
obsidian osprey
Interesting- that insanely good as evidenced by the top 50 ranking. What would you describe you’re doing in it mostly?
smoky yoke
Am hiding my hull as much as possible, an using 0.2 second aim time gun. Poke out when you know you can make the shot and always stay with other mediums unless you can flank without any trouble.
Staying second line is key and always make that HE shot on T49, borsig when ever you get the chance. I like to buy the t-34-3 but I spent enough on blitz already
obsidian osprey
How do you deal with IS-X tanks? They seem to be everywhere and I don’t have the dpm to HEAT them away when necessary.
smoky yoke
Illiminate their meds and it's free range for you, flank as much as you like, I will get a video to link you too, give me a second. Not sure if I have one saved
obsidian osprey
yeah makes sense. A 1v1 against an IS5 is an auto loss if they’re competent unless you can crush the rest of their team to give yourself some help. I guess im not prioritizing the softer targets enough
iron lynx
Aye
Meds are nerfed to the point where they cannot 1 v 1 most heavies effectively
smoky yoke
Sadly I didn't inventory it on YouTube, I am not a YouTuber I just don't have the space to store all mastery games on. But when I do store my t-34-2 games I send you a link
Well 1 vs 1 a heavy use your view range don't have to get close to kill them @iron lynx
obsidian osprey
Yeah I’ll give it a few more tries just now to see what the anecdotal sense is. Aimtime, view range and minor mobility advantages make me nervous lol
smoky yoke
Well just don't over think and don't tunnel that's where my and most other people troubles takes center stage with a lose
obsidian osprey
Just played a round of vineyards. Did 1800. Could have been a 2600 if I were more skilled based on time. Reds all went town. Aimtime was a significant advantage over playing something in the IS family but mobility was irrelevant. Seems to be what I remember. Hmm
winged barn
34-2 and 34-3 are both lovely tanks. While they are not necessarily op, they have the derp factor and accurately hit their shots. You can usually make your shots count, and the heat is very effective. The HE is a lot more effective than other 122mms as well is what I have found.
obsidian osprey
I feel like they would be good in a toon with an OP tier 8 dpm armor based premium. Chinese meds could provide surprise alpha.
rancid flame
But why play a T-34-2/3 if you can play a WZ-120-1 FT? Basically the same maneuverability in a much much much better gun with much better armor
smoky yoke
Wz-120 is 50 bucks and T-34-3 is maybe 25 bucks. Or less according to sale
iron lynx
T-34-2 does not cost 25 bucks
iron lynx
T-34-2 costs around 2 500 000 credits.
If you're referring to the T-34-3, that I don't know.
smoky yoke
Dammit keep mixing up the names sry about that
iron lynx
Aye I sometimes get confused too
twin ocean
@unique scaffold i don’t expect team to carry me. I don’t pretend to be unicum either, however I expect the teams to be fairly balanced which is clearly not the case. Now you can lie to yourself and be convinced that the mm is fine. Apparently the community doesn’t think so, contributors included
Also, this is true both way: winning 7-0 in 1min30 is not much fun too.
You’re free to take into account criticism or not. But in the last case, don’t be surprised if your “customers” give up and move towards similar games. It is up to you. It has already started by the way.
elfin marlin
Yep friends in my clan are deleting the game of poor mm @twin ocean
They have 53% wr and a lot of mastery medals in all tiers
cunning kindle
I mean if ur gonna cry about mm in randoms, just look closely at the word "random". Wheres as ratings mm, thats one thing that really needs to be fixed, bronze shudnt end up in game with diamond players.
And then ofcourse theres ppl rigging rating on samller servers
twin ocean
@cunning kindle dude, I’ve been reporting this issue among lots of players in the proper topic section. We had no answer so far for some reasons....I ain’t no geek, so please feel free to remove my comments into the appropriate topic
@elfin marlin that’s my point. Unfortunately this is happening more often now. I’m playing for almost 4 years. I won’t pretend to be a good player, only 52% wr, but I feel legitimate now to report what’s going on. And that’s a serious issue that should be tackled ASAP. I’m not prophet and I’ve not THE solution however we are a lot of players seeing no improvement on that matter. Until everybody will be gone....
unique scaffold
Let's say there's 14 players. Two 60% win rate players are in a platoon and two 45% win rate players are in a platoon. the remaining 10 players are most likely going to be 40% to 55% win rate players ( the majority would be in the 40% area). How exactly do you balance that? @twin ocean
fiery flame
@twin ocean I think you’re delusional, the vast majority of the player base is under 50% wr, you can’t balance teams solely on wr, waiting times would be horrific
unique scaffold
We don't have a matchmaking problem, we have a player problem. you can either learn to accept this problem and do the best that you can despite of it, cry about it, or you can move on.
fiery flame
Anyways this is a balance discussion for tanks, not the matchmaking, go elsewhere to discuss that
unique scaffold
Been saying that since #tank-balance-discussion opened.
white vessel
Truth is us noobs make u look good
unique scaffold
@white vessel. That is a two way street. How much of a noobs Win-rate is due to them being carried by better players?
Now please can we take this discussion to #general-blitz-discussion ?
elfin marlin
it is not a problem if both teams have the same equal amount of noobs and unicums in the team so to say, it is a PROBLEM when one team gets all the noobs and the other team get the most experienced players
and this is happening a lot more nowadays
ihave deleted my screenshot while 5 in my team did ZERO dmg in tier 9, i was 2nd best with a low alpha gun. i managed to shoot and hit 2 rounds.
no, this is also about balance......
twin ocean
@elfin marlin amen.... only one brain connected today or what?
elfin marlin
i say this for a few weeks now but i feel i am talking to walls.
since update 5.5 everyone is losing more than normal. i 've lost 0.24%wr. from 53.70 to 53.46% and i do 1800-3000dmg in the game. playing tier 8-9-10 the most
twin ocean
@unique scaffold @fiery flame this is not an issue about having noobs or unicum around, it’s about balancing it in each team. How players are supposed to improve their game when getting smashed 7-0 in 1 min with 4 or 5 60%+ on one side and only below 45% on ther other?
elfin marlin
amen!!
twin ocean
I guess everybody is happy at the end of day because they didn’t queue too long, right?
elfin marlin
no, i am 95% of the time bottom tier..... not fun at all when you grinding your tanks
fiery flame
Hmmm, I really don’t understand you people, everyone has the same RANDOM mm. I get the same teams as you people, this whole idea of losing wr suddenly doesn’t seem right simply because no changes have been made to the mm for the past 8 months as far as I am aware. There are times when games are completely imbalanced and there is almost no chance to win but it’s the same for everyone, I guarantee if you have a easy win you don’t come here complaining about it @elfin marlin @twin ocean
unique scaffold
@twin ocean @elfin marlin. It's math. How do you balance out good players when they make up less than 10% of the gaming population? Once you add platooning into the mix the numbers are even more against you. The only way to guarantee that you have a 60%er on your team is if you are the 60%er. Getting there is on you.
elfin marlin
@fiery flame watch meady69 video about MM. he also lost a lot more
@unique scaffold humbug
fiery flame
That’s nothing to do with the actual matchmaking algorithm, this happens all the time during peek seasons, here are my stats, I don’t see my wr dropping so I personally can not agree with you on this topic
As you can see I’ve played a lot during the holidays and nothing bad has happened
elfin marlin
than you are lucky to be in the right team. i went from great player (dark blue) to good player (green) and since 2 days it is now light blue again
unique scaffold
It isn't luck.
fiery flame
So you think that 1391 battles in the past 30 days have been purely luck for me....
Ok then
cunning kindle
@elfin marlin meadsy was losing coz of the event, as far as i m concerned. Coz the event requied a lotta game to be played so ppl just yoloed hoping to win
elfin marlin
when you are top WR in your team and the rest has between 26-46% you will losse no matter what you carry in battle
fiery flame
I can show you plenty of games where my team having the overall higher wr lost to a lower wr team
elfin marlin
@cunning kindle watch the vid again
unique scaffold
The moment that you stop making excuses is the moment that you'll start to improve.
cunning kindle
What will happen if i eatch the vid again? @elfin marlin
elfin marlin
@unique scaffold stop denying.... and stop making nonsense answers. you know we are right
crystal spoke
I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about
elfin marlin
i came from 41%to 53.49 right now
cunning kindle
U just called a 74% player lucky, but sure man ur right
elfin marlin
your wr depends on your skills and the luck of the teams you get
cunning kindle
Mostly skill but keep making urself feel better
elfin marlin
74%wr doesnt mean you are right too.....
fiery flame
Over a small number of battles yes, but not over a large amount, if everyone has the same mm you can’t say unicums are people who just got lucky 30 thousand times
cunning kindle
^^^^
twin ocean
@unique scaffold @fiery flame Last comment in here for me, I don’t wanna spam all around or anything. But that’s typically the matter in here: it’s a state of mind. You guys open topic such “lets-talk-rng” or balance discussion which is bullshit to me. The rng is accepted, the tanks are good, they have their weakness and their strength including the Sturer Emil that can be an excellent tank. You learn to play with that. Many people are crying about buffing their favorite tank... BUT THAT’S NOT THE REAL ISSUE. I would have appreciated a section to exchange about this specific matter that is killing your customers base. I can hear your arguments but from the way we all see it, you definitely don’t give a shit. Hence my comments in this section. Mm issue out
elfin marlin
i have played 48k times..... i sure know what i am talking about son
cunning kindle
Smh thats not what he meant
fiery flame
@elfin marlin you need to realise that I have the same matchmaking as you, WG doesn’t give me some special treatment or anyone else. If someone has a higher wr than you over a large amount of battles you cannot simply attribute it to luck. There is a saying “a bad worksman blames his tools”
elfin marlin
i am out too..... it just useless to point out things what we experiece.....
cunning kindle
Honestly if u guys were complaining about ratings matchmaking, i'd be on the same bandwagon as u. But complaining about RANDOM battles mm is just delusional
crystal spoke
They experience the same thing everyone on blitz does
fiery flame
I really think WG should make a mm discussion channel where people can go and cry about how the game is unfair to them, this should be for discussing vehicle balance
crystal spoke
The only way to experience something different is training rooms but again everyone can do that
elfin marlin
strange that ppl walk away from the game, several whom facing the same experience have filed a ticket to delete their account. such a pitty..... they were good players
iron hearth
i cant believe what im gonna say but for the first time i think bushka is right this tank is crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5HA7FrtD-0
crystal spoke
@fiery flame that's a good idea so we can just mute the channel and not have to hear it over and over. You mean like every game on the market?
crimson cosmos
@iron hearth For me I totally disagree. I think the VK is probably not the worst tank at Tier X. Certainly isn’t the best. But worst can easily be tied when you include all the classes and not just the Heavies.
bright violet
wargaming should delete all the account under 45 % of wr
and under 50% would be better
quick lichen
@bright violet congratulations. You just killed 55% of the player base
Now you have a dead game and ridiculous queue times
bright violet
i know , but it must be near 6+0 %
elfin marlin
he would be a super super elite unicum then. 😀
quick lichen
No
He would get stomped on by better players until he quit the game
When you eliminate 50% and under
Your 55-60%ers become your new 40%ers
60-80%ers would still rule the game
Enjoy watching your stats fall
wet quail
Don’t agree, 55% + is where people start becoming great
dusky wolf
that also dragging some unicum down to below 60% 🤔
quick lichen
@wet quail the spectrum is no longer 30-80%
elfin marlin
45% and above are willing and trying to get better. below 45% there should be an seperate queue for them. they are not improving nor willing to improve themselves
cunning kindle
Hey u hurt my feelings
quick lichen
There should be separate queues based on win rate
Go play rating battles
Or tournaments
Also if you get rid of everyone sub 50% the game loses a massive portion of its sales
Wotb would no longer be free to play
bright violet
@quick lichenare you kidding ? rating battles where there is players with 200 battles who play lowe and don t know the map ? rating battles is a jokr
quick lichen
As if that same person is any different in normal battles
It’s the same with people who bought tier x tanks
Do they have a right to play that tier? Absolutely
Should they? Of course not
bright violet
@quick lichenbut i agree with you , separate queues based on winrate is what we ask
fiery cairn
I mean your not wrong
quick lichen
Those people, as annoying as it may be, keep this game free
elfin marlin
you should drive the gold tanks that matches your regular ones. i mean if you researched up to tier 3 you shouldnt be able to play a lowe or an is-6
quick lichen
@bright violet I guess you want 10 minute queue times
fiery cairn
But then all the 60%s would only fight other 60%s and there WN would fall down to 50%
quick lichen
@elfin marlin my thought was you can only buy two tiers higher than your top tech tree tank
@fiery cairn exactly
Removing sub 50% players sounds nice until you use your brain and think about the fall out
50-60%er stats plummet
The game is no longer free
Queue times sky rocket
fiery cairn
Mm, although sometimes annoying, is fine the way it is
quick lichen
Treat bad players as meat shields on your team, and free damage on the enemy team
It’s easy
Next
elfin marlin
@quick lichen two tiers is to much but to come to your point maybe 1 tier is enough
quick lichen
@bright violet you’re not allowed to play tier x as per your own rules
49.86% win rate
fiery cairn
The noobs buying high gold tanks is a pretty bad problem though
quick lichen
#karma
bright violet
@quick lichen when half of your team is dead after 1 mn , no more meat shields 😂
quick lichen
@elfin marlin people can buy a tier x without a single game. Two tiers isn’t bad when you think about it
@bright violet carry harder
Your win rate has been falling so maybe it’s you
bright violet
yep free fall !!!
fiery cairn
My WN has jumped from 45 to 49 rn
quick lichen
None of this has anything to do with #tank-balance-discussion
Ive made my point
Move on or move to #general-blitz-discussion
unique scaffold
I think players should focus on what they can do better instead of trying to blame their shortcomings on MM, RNG, Wallet Warriors, or any of the other scapegoats they can dream up.
quick lichen
@unique scaffold I have a cold. That’s why I didn’t play well
elfin marlin
@quick lichen so there is the problem then.... it shouldnt be possible. just buy buy a tier +1 than you have grinded already. to many noobs are ruining the tiers 8-10 now. they think they have a good tank but can't play it due to lack of skills and experience
unique scaffold
@quick lichen I'm playing over Hampton wifi. That's my excuse.
quick lichen
If you can play tier 6, you can play tier 8 ok I think
fiery cairn
@unique scaffold I mean your right
unique scaffold
I know I am. That's kind of my thing. @fiery cairn
fiery cairn
3k DamAgE aNd We StiLl LoSe. tHaNkS wG
wet quail
Modesty certainly isn’t
quick lichen
Following the rules certainly isn’t your thing @wet quail
#tank-balance-discussion or mute
fiery cairn
If you a lose a battle don’t complain about it. Just look at how you can improve
wet quail
Yeah it is, turret is better and front, sides aren’t tho
unique scaffold
It's hard to be modest when you're as right as I am.
elfin marlin
i dont have is-5 but want to buy it. i saw it's aiming time is huge..... how to play is-5?
fiery cairn
It’s armor is very good though and it’s pretty mobile for a heavy
unique scaffold
Don't. I despise that tank. I wish I'd never bought it. @elfin marlin
elfin marlin
must you play it frontline or 2nd line
fiery cairn
Wait why
lone warren
It might aswell not have a gun
unique scaffold
The gun is secured by duct tape, bubblegum, and dreams.
elfin marlin
no wet dreams so i hear 😜
novel plank
Remove PRAMMO! and add some pen to Standard shells instead! It destroys the fun when you get hit by a noob spamming Prammo! it's no skill and no fun!
shy wren
No, just don’t want you to get muted for a day for straying off the intended topic @novel plank
high shale
Make T95 as it was before the BIG NERF and ADD again More armor on T110E3 because anyone can pen both tanks on tracks by just shoting straight
shy wren
Well, you’ve brought this upon yourself, unfortunately @novel plank
@high shale More armor on the E3? That tank is one of the best assault tanks in the game due to that insane frontal profile. That big hatch is super hard to pen, can easily get hulldown, real weakspot is really small and hard to hit, can support other tanks very well and can coordinate a push as a breakthrough tank.
twin ocean
Buff the WT
lone warren
Lmao more armour on e3 good meme
I agree the t95 needs a change to make it more competitive in games but the e3 is already a strong tank as it is, even after it got its hp reduced. Giving it more armour is not a good move. It has good frontal armour especially in pubs and it punishes the e3 if it gets flanked at all with its weak sides
quartz crown
T95/T28 just needs rework I’m sorry, when the game at tier 8 -9 is gold heavy, and rotation based, and reliant on mobility, those tanks are just outclassed
drowsy plaza
T95 has always been a slow lumbering beast -- frontally it is still a major PITA to see -- unless you are above it, or have clear LFP shots -- bigger issues was its side armor nerf's - it either needs a traverse buff (minor) or a side armor Buff, -- the T28 needs both traverse and side armor buff.
fiery flame
Yeah t28 and t95 need buffs
shy wren
And minor T28 Proto turret buffs
dusky oxide
If you equip the pink camo or drive the t34 1776 is it harder to distinguish the hitskins?
wraith lance
Barely
modest lotus
@twin ocean they buffed it on 5.5 and it doesn’t need more. I think it might be the best tier 9 tank.
twin ocean
@modest lotus it’s never enough for my beloved WT.... but thanks for the details anyway.
And hell yeah, I agree with you. Hence my 12000 battles on it. Ooops....
winter eagle
Can we give the m4 rev 20 more mm of hull amour lol
modest lotus
@twin ocean the 5.5 was just making it so the derp gun doesn’t have the forced depression when u turn it past 180 degrees. That was so annoying. Happy they changed it
crystal spoke
@winter eagle can they also sell it again on a bargain like they did the snowstorm
tardy meadow
When will they finally balance the 30 B
unique scaffold
do you know what needs balancing the most
t10 light tanks
oh and those damn obj's
The tier VIII Chieftain really needs some help in the cupola department. What's the point of making a strong turret ridge fighter with a VW beetle sized cupola on top? It either needs to be buffed, shrunk, or removed completely.
@unique scaffold what's wrong with tier X light tanks and the obj 140?
they are taking IS-7 and IS-4's place better. that have good armour, good gun , better speed and are just overall taking IS-7'S position better. @unique scaffold
(Russian OBJ heaviums)
Gotcha. What about the lights?
jade cargoBOT
Piranha104#0210 was banned
unique scaffold
Thank you 👍
👌
Since you are here. What's your opinion on the tier VIII Chieftain @unique scaffold
its a terrible tank
Would some sort of adjustment to the cupola change your opinion?
well for one, the cupola needs to be better armored
rather like the old E5. Pennable, but not an auto pen
however, its the gun that lets the tank down the most IMO
queen hemlock
It sure is better than Churchill MK VI 😋
unique scaffold
i actually dont mind the MK 6
I want to like it so much. It's a great looking tank but that cupola just kills it.
I'd give the gun a bit of a ROF buff and buff the armor of the cupola. That's my two cents on it.
hidden frigate
I don’t even mind the gun personally. Maybe a little more pen.
unique scaffold
Pen seems fine to me. I'd like it to play like a overweight Comet and the Cupola just ruins it for me.
lunar niche
Why not HESH for tier 8 Chieftain?
unique scaffold
Hesh would be fun
wet quail
Yeah that would make it far more popular
twin ocean
Indeed they should also move the maus into tier5 #weakpoint#chieftainnotenoughop
@late tiger i think it was sarcastic...not 100% sure though
unique scaffold
@late tiger what? It is a tank with a weak hull and a glaring gigantic weakspot on top. What exactly is "great" about it?
white vessel
Its smexy😍 :
lone warren
i like the chieftain, i can work with it. Its not bad by any means but it does need a change to that tumour
hot nova
give the CGC hesh instead :}
dusky oxide
I like how it comes close to being an mbt but is weighed down by mediocre armor and a powerless engine, just like irl.
hot nova
yeah I wish the chieftain mk 6 had mobility issues a bit more, it should not be as mobile as the centurions yet it is
dusky oxide
Can you keep up with meds in it?
hot nova
sorta, it is pretty much the same mobility as the centurians though which is the problem I have with it. the cents need a mobility buff, maybe top speed to 45 to set them ahead of the chieftains
balmy cipher
vk 28.01 should have 40 more engine power
jovial kernel
@lunar niche No HESH for tier 8 Chieftain because it uses an American 90mm which wouldn't have had HESH made for it
unique scaffold
@jovial kernel. Dude you are such a buzzkill.
jovial kernel
You're welcome!
unique scaffold
The British would make hesh for their tanks anyway
jovial kernel
They wouldn't make HESH for a prototype Chieftain using an American turret and gun tho
hot nova
but they might make it for a churchill gun carrier
orchid grove
Well, the Americans did use HESH shells; they were just designated as HEP
unique scaffold
@jovial kernel. If Dracula and Helsing can make tanks to take their eternal war to the digital battlefield then the British can make HESH for a 90mm American gun.
fiery flame
I think chieftain/t95 is fine as it is, it technically has a stronger armour profile and better mobility than its tier 10 older brother, excluding its small tumor on top
median gust
Ye
jovial kernel
@unique scaffold If Dracula and Helsing can make tanks to wage their war in Blitz then WG can add a new gun to the Chieftain/T95's arsenal that's British
dusky oxide
If theres one thing i want thats sociated with british tanks its the berlin brigade camo
unique scaffold
... that's kind of what I just said.
@fiery flame "small tumor"? The thing is massive.
fiery flame
@unique scaffold As long as the enemy can’t aim and you move around it’s not a problem 😉
unique scaffold
I agree on the first point but not on the second. The thing is so large and is basically a gigantic weak spot that wiggling the turret has no effect. Meanwhile the VK.100 has like 200mm of armor on its cupola. There needs to be a middle ground.
fiery flame
You can HE the chieftain hatch with 122+ caliber guns too, but without the hatch I think the tank would be frankly overpowered and if it had better armour it would defeat the whole purpose of a weakspot
Idk if the tanks needs any changes, you are correct about wiggling not helping but I find that if you simply drive back and forward in a diagonal line most people will miss their shots
@unique scaffold
unique scaffold
I don't see it as OP. It wouldn't be any more OP than a T29 or T34.
fiery flame
It’s mobility is significantly better and turret is stronger, regardless I perform very well in the tank that’s why I don’t think it needs any changes
😂😂😂 I mean that’s one way to look at it I guess
rain ivy
Little graphic tho
wraith lance
Lmao
dusky oxide
Big xd
dim field
That was the most amusing analogy
lapis kayak
Make smoke shells
worthy jasper
In order to make tier 6s and above not be full of bs and actually be decent, why not remove the armour highlighting in sniper mode? It would force players to memorise key weaknesses and would easily help benefit heavy tanks.
cunning kindle
Actually that would result in more bs. Newbies wud struggle even more than they already do
worthy jasper
I feel like there is some sort of double standard in Blitz, in PC WG does not seem to care that much about new players; PC version has no armour highlighting, you have many sealclubber tanks in lower tiers, and to actually be a unicum there requires a boatload of skill.
cunning kindle
Is that why pc is so unbalanced and losing so much players?
Coz it requires a lot of "skill" (obj v4 intensifies)
dim field
In randoms battles hit skin should be accurate and be present. However if you want to remove hit skin in ratings and tournaments, I'd be in favor of that.
remote valley
if were talking abt pc.... how does one wrap hit skin on hd models tanks tht are not ur usual rectanglular boxes and all
fiery flame
Removing hit skins would be a really baaaaaaad idea, like really really bad idea
rain ivy
As in end of the world bad, so don't do that.
gaunt wadi
i always got oneshoted w/ this tank ..
elfin marlin
Not a wonder.... You are in the open
... And a skilled player knows where your ammorack is.
ivory fractal
A knowledgeable player I would say rather than a skilled player ^
elfin marlin
For me that is the same thing but you are right
gaunt wadi
@elfin marlin says he
elfin marlin
@gaunt wadi look at your pic.... You don't have cover. The E4 has a clear shot on you and either he knows where your ammorack is or is a lucky fart that hit it
What have my stats to do with you are standing in the open
gaunt wadi
look @ mine & u talk of skill 😂
elfin marlin
I could hit your ammorack too
gaunt wadi
i didnt ask for ur opinion
lone warren
Stop this.
elfin marlin
I have 53,50% wr, I do believe I have some skills
gaunt wadi
the skill 2 say bs
lone warren
I suggest stopping this now before staff have to intervene.
elfin marlin
Yes you did when you post that pic
earnest plank
"Several people are typing"
gaunt wadi
come 1v1
jade cargoBOT
Mr_KEBABOUR#3467 has been warned.
elfin marlin
Dude my device is not good to play like yours. I have told this many time in several discussion topics. I use a laptop (8years old) without a mouse. Auto aim gets hardly set and when you have to unset it i must press 4 to 5 times for it. Therefore I won't play fast tanks but TDs and heavies more
ivory fractal
Don’t name and shame here, and 1v1s achieve nothing
elfin marlin
Ty @ivory fractal but I am not ashamed of my stats.
gaunt wadi
he provocates & im warned ??
lone warren
You were the one being insulting. He states how you were in the open and no wonder you got ammo racked and you try to shame his stats
ivory fractal
@elfin marlin I know it’s what someone else had the intention of doing
lone warren
Back to the picture, its no wonder really you got ammoracked. Getting hit in the side in a chinese tank by a 155mm caliber shell means chances are you will get ‘racked. Especially in tanks like that
slim rivet
Ammorack = 99,99% luck (or bad luck, question of perspective)
unique scaffold
Probably a good idea to let it be.
vocal dew
nerf darcula please!
unique scaffold
All tier 7 tanks got a buff to compensate for dracula
Just so wargaming didn’t go back on their no nerf premium tank policy @vocal dew
vocal dew
nah is just my everyday life -- call nerf darcula
unique scaffold
@vocal dew. Nothing is wrong with Dracula
stone arch
Everything is wrong with the Drac
elfin marlin
Made up tanks should have their own queue in my opinion...... But I am an old fashion guy 🤓
unique scaffold
As a fictional tank that shouldn't have been introduced I'd agree.
As a balance issue I do not agree.
Tier VII has received massive buffs to deal with the Dracula issue. In my opinion at this point in time it is fine.
elfin marlin
Why not introduce WWI tanks in tier I as a good training in tank play.... Than when you get at least a first class and go to tier II you can get the early WWII tanks . They are a bit faster and have more gun power..... Just an idea
Also when playing in tier 1, make the maps a bit smaller so they can't camp the entire game an have to fight.
stone arch
Don't you think the fact that almost every tank had to get a buff to help deal with it shows how broken it is? The Drac acts like a light, but has medium health. Is basically as mobile as the lights, but it weighs a lot more. It can pretty much ram any other light/medium at the tier and come away on the stronger side.
The Drac doesn't really have a downside. It has GD, speed, a fairly good gun. And so what? You can HE pen It at times, but the best armor is not getting hit. So while its screaming around harrassing you from other locations of the map by relocating with its insane speed, wittling you down if you're in a light you don't want to go and fight it alone as it will just out trade you. A medium and it'll just ram you. And a heavy... Well unless you're like the Tiger have fun being CODed. The Drac can literally relocate across the map in like 15 seconds, so there's no promises it'll even be where or near where it was last spotted. It has all the advantages of a light tank minus the camo, with the health pool, gun, and weight of a medium tank.
deft owl
@unique scaffold This again? Only Heavies received buffs. All light tanks except type62 are underpowered against dracula.
white vessel
Comet and helsing can and should win against a dracula
unique scaffold
Shouldn't a light tank be weaker than a medium? That's a rhetorical question.
stone arch
Of course, but the drac can ram a light for half it's HP, and its pretty much just as fast as them.
unique scaffold
I just don't see the issue with them. The dpm is mediocre and all things being equal a T-43 or Comet driver will take one apart.
At one time it was a bit much but now that many tier VII heavies received buffs I do not see it as a issue.
Is it a good tank? Yes.
Is it game breaking over powered? No, I don't see it.
fiery cairn
The sp1c needs a speed buff
unique scaffold
Now tier VII lights getting a buff is a cause I can get behind!
stone arch
The Dracs AvG wr is 7% higher than the T43, so why if they are balanced why is that?
fiery cairn
The drac should have never been introduced into the game; causes to much complaining
stone arch
Also I love how you were just saying nothing else needs to get buffed at tier 7 for the drac even though I said the lights have a extremely weak match up, and suddenly they need a buff? When before it was all fine?
fiery cairn
You don’t buff tanks to compete with one tank @stone arch
stone arch
Thats exactly why they buffed all the tier 7 heavies @fiery cairn
fiery cairn
Your talking about buffing all the lights just so they can compete with the drac. That makes no sense
unique scaffold
I'd argue that who is playing it makes a huge impact.
The T43 is a stepping stone to the next tank and it is played by a far wider range of players.
I said I don't have a issue with Dracs and that the heavy buffs have dealt with any balance issues concerning the Dracula.
Tier VII lights getting a little love would be great because I'm biased and like playing lights.
fiery cairn
Lights need speed buffs and pen buffs. The avg pen for a tier 7 light tank is 140-150 which is pretty low
stone arch
Aside from the Drac literally being a bane for the lights.
unique scaffold
I play a lot of lights and I don't see an issue with the Dracula. Situational awareness solves a lot of problems.
fiery cairn
@stone arch how would you balance the drac then?
Also as long as if lights stay together drac isn’t that big of a problem
unique scaffold
As a matter of fact I played nothing but tier VII lights this AM. The Dracula wasn't a problem. I'm a very aggressive scout and I know when to run away. That being said my biggest problem (as usual) was corner camping KV-2's that land magical shots from across the map.
fiery cairn
Dracula still isn’t a problem
dusky wolf
cause it doesn't have broken dpm?
fiery cairn
It’s not broken
stone arch
The Drac can go 65kph that's as fast as the lights, and with a 40hp/t it's not exactly easy to get away from if their mind is set on getting you.
And as far as balancing it? Remove it from the game and compansate players for it. Or nerf it's over all speed and give players the option to sell it back for the good.
A tank that heavy moving that fast, where it's just as fast as the quickest lights is well bad for them. I wouldn't have as much of a problem if lights could actually get a way from it. Medium are supposed to be a med point between lights and heavies, but a drac is literally a light with none of the draw backs that come with a medium.
unique scaffold
Had a KV-2 land a cupola shot on my Type from 300 meters. What type of nonsense is that? I was moving and everything.
A well driven light is going to lure a yolo Dracula right into the guns of the green team. The Dracula is only a problem if it is driven by a good player (as are most tanks) and that is how it should be.
fiery cairn
Your describing the drac as if it is incrediblely op
If lights just flank smartly and stay together a drac is no problem
zealous stone
I dont see drac as a problem tbh yes it can be annoying whent they chase you but you can lure them into gun fire
fiery cairn
Anyway back to my point. The spi c needs a buff
stone arch
No, Spock I'm comparing tanks on a 1v1 situation because that's how you balance things. You compare them together and see if theyre on equal enough footing. Sure, a good light player will lure the drac, but even a decent drac player will pull back and wait for another chance or come from a different angle
dusky wolf
Unless drac bouncing your AP/APCR shots for no reason.
unique scaffold
@stone arch. It's a team game. You can't balance on a 1v1 . Using that logic what is the tiger P balanced against?
fiery cairn
It’s light with a max speed of 50 and no engine power. Not to mention it has no armor
And the bulldog could use a pen buff
stone arch
If you balance a tank assuming the other team will have allies then nothing would be balanced. Nothing in this game is balanced for multiple shots coming in at it at a time aside perhaps some of the heavies which IMO some need nerfs
fiery cairn
Actually all the tier 7 lights could use pen buffs
stone arch
I agree with the bulldog statement. That thing is.. Underwelming
Not the Lttb, that thing doesn't need a buff. Its fine where it is
fiery cairn
Ye
shy wren
Bulldog has the highest DPM for all LTs. It’s pretty mobile too.
LTTB definitely doesn’t need a buff at all. Highest P/W ratio, best traverse, best terrain resistances , troll armor, you name it.
stone arch
Yeah, it's a light with 75mm of armor on the front
quick lichen
Light tanks have low pen guns for a reason
If you give a light tank a high penetration gun, they can negate enemy heavies frontal armor. Which ruins the purpose of a light tank
stone arch
Then buff Prammo? So it has a choice when it comes to sticky situations
unique scaffold
Bulldog is the best of the tier VII tech tree lights right now 😆
You can't have it both ways. Sure the Dracula will smack a light around in a 1v1. That is how it should be.
On the other hand a Rudy, T43, or Comet can all smack a Dracula around.
It's the circle of life.
fiery cairn
SP1C still needs a buff
shy wren
A bit more engine power?
fiery cairn
It has the armor and the gun of a light. Why not the speed and the engine?
stone arch
Actually Drac would probably beat a t43, I don't know about a rudy, and a comet well probably 50/50 depending on how the palyers play.
Nothing keeps the drac from running off from the slower mediums and resetting camo and harrassing them one shell at a time
fiery cairn
But what if they actually stick together? @stone arch
shy wren
Not necessarily. Rudy and T-43 have troll armor and can bounce the odd shots pretty well. Comet is best in a hulldown position, in which it’s turret is quite hard to pen
proven helm
T43 would give it a pretty good for its money though, especially for a tech tree.
fiery cairn
I imagine that the drac causes the most problems for tier 6s
stone arch
The drac can just run away, and take pot shots after it resets camo. And yes it causes a lot of problems for tier 6.
unique scaffold
That is where teamwork comes into play.
https://media.tenor.com/images/dd10c35bc4f5c2f46b25d08d03971bef/tenor.gif
fiery cairn
Can we stop talking about the drac
stone arch
You won't always have a team, that's why you balance tanks against one another not as a wholw team
shy wren
Helsing is arguably worse to deal against, but it’s not that hard to defeat
unique scaffold
Loving the feeling of HE'd Dracula in front of my 152 mm guns
@stone arch. What you are asking for is not possible.
stone arch
Oh you mean asking for it speed to be dropped to like 55kph is not possible?
fiery cairn
The grille is lighter than the Fv 183 but the 183 still has better traverse. Buffs the grilles traverse by like 6 or 7
unique scaffold
@stone arch balancing tanks one on one is not possible.
The Dracula is fine and I've got to get to work have fun with this conversation.
shy wren
The CDC can also go to speeds similar to the Drac.
unique scaffold
Yeah, Grille nerf was uncalled for and reduced that TD to its knees
stone arch
That's how you'd balance correctly.
fiery cairn
It’s need more compensation for its low armor
stone arch
@Supermini555 [PZCNC] 🇲🇾 In tier 8 tanks are more capable of dealing with the CDC
iron lynx
Ye
fiery cairn
It’s free meat if the meds fund the grille
shy wren
There are also many tanks that can deal with the Drac too, if you play them right
iron lynx
Rudy out-DPM Drac?
Or no
stone arch
Given if the drac doesn't know how to play. If the drac players in a bad match up it has the ability to yeet itself away at 65kph
shy wren
Most mediums out-DPM Drac, save for T20
iron lynx
Idk, the LTTB seems to have bad DPM
stone arch
Speaking of T20, needs a buff lol
shy wren
LTTB has bad DPM anyways, but it’s not that hard to put the damage in it.
fiery cairn
The drac is only fast. It’s still a medium tank that has no armor
unique scaffold
But 70kph speed, 35 tons, and sideshields
Also light like acceleration and good terrain resistance
Sometimes I was in heavy TD or tank like Ferdinand or IS, and a Dracula shows up and rams me at full velocity, got serious damage but the Drac hp are totally erased, it kills himself. I suppose there's still someone who can't use it. I don't have it, but for certain I don't go blindly ramming people
He thought he was in Mad Games 🤔
Probably, the only tank I own in which I use the ramming tactic is E50 M, but just when possible
blissful isle
Hi guys
uncut obsidian
All talking about nerfing the drac but where is the hafen nerf that thing is stupid at tier 7.
proven helm
Less pen less alpha less mobility why nerf?
blissful isle
This game became so boring cause of nubs all around .what to do now.
unique scaffold
Tbh I’ve met 1 or 2 Hafens so I have no idea about this tank
uncut obsidian
@proven helm DPM and armour make me laugh. Its sides are stronger than its front XD.
blissful isle
Hafen is very good.good reload speed
unique scaffold
I met it a couple of times, never surprised by it, it seems normal, I am more cautious around nameless if I have to name one of that series tank
The Hafen is just an armored Sherman
shy wren
A more armored Jumbo
uncut obsidian
Huh guess its just me then. I have an abnormally high win rate in that thing compared to other tanks and always seem to top my team for damage.
@shy wren More armoured jumbo and more mobile than the e8. Only balancing factor is the pen.
shy wren
Yep, it’s quite unique in that regard. The upper hull is awesome, but just need to be wary of the lower hull, which is relatively flat.
stone arch
I don't actually see all that many hafens. I think Ive seen about 4 since it was last on sale
shy wren
I wished to have all 4 tanks from that series. Too bad I can’t spend money
stone arch
Not a lot of people have the hafen from what I can tell. I'll take my nameless over it any day though. Lol
shy wren
I would like all of them. Edelweiss has pretty tiny turret
stone arch
I kinda regrtnot buying the edelweiss honestly. I don't regret the lack of hafen however. And I sold my blaze lol
the blaze is just a downgraded and bad version of the skorp G
dusky oxide
Pretty impressive he got ammoracked considering ammo is on the right side on t54 variants/copies
At one point i really started rushing with the right side instead of the left facing the enemy in my type/t34-3/121B if i had no other option to push. There are td players who can pinpoint the ammo storage behind the drivewheel and it doesnt take much in a chinese tank to get you cooked off.
jovial kernel
Well he would have been killed by that shot regardless
unique scaffold
Can anyone explain why there's damage difference between 100 and 105 mm guns, and there's NO difference between 150 and 155 mm guns? WG, coherence please, as usual...
wraith lance
Depends on tier and what gun it is
105mm guns at tier VIII usually do 310 but a tier X they do 350
jovial kernel
Except on the Batchat which still only does 310 for some strange reason
wraith lance
Same for the T54E1
dusky oxide
105 guns are usually more modern? Theres a lot of L7s. So they would have more modern ammumition. Theres a realistic situation i can come up with for u
wraith lance
Balance purposes, WG doesn't want to give them a lot of burst
jovial kernel
Eh I feel the nerf on the T54E1 was justified but on the Batchat there's no reason it should have been nerfed on alpha
wraith lance
@dusky oxide Pretty much
dusky oxide
Tier x bc is a sad case
rain ivy
Give the BC a 4th shell
jovial kernel
first give it 350 alpha then we can mess with clip sizes
dusky oxide
Why did the nerf the unload speed?
unique scaffold
Good players can really take advantage of the mobility a light tank offers. Wargaming knows this so they hamper them in other ways. It is a attempt to nerf skill and map knowledge that I do not agree with. The tanks are still usable for good players but become a liability for the team when driven by average players.
At least that is how I see it.
rain ivy
Bigger clip and extra shell capacity, it would help
dusky oxide
I consider the bc ap better. Same alpha, same intra clip. Good enough gun handling, similar mobility and worse armor, which is a thing you shouldnt be relying on anyway. The most important features of the batchats are much more prominent in the bc ap.
Worse dpm but it gives you time to reloacte and think about the next clip.
hushed fox
Nerfing the speed game, which is only capable of being used efficiently by above avg players is exactly what they are doing
unique scaffold
BC AP has worse pen though
dusky oxide
Pen isnt priority if you have mobility. And it doesnt have to fight tier 10s as often
unique scaffold
Depends, tier 9 fight more tier 10 than 8 because tier 10 mm is -1/+0
jovial kernel
light tanks really should be brought on par with same tier tanks in the same way the T-54 ltwt is
dusky oxide
I run the cs on the tier x since it has heat. I try to differentiate a bit from the bc ap. Thats the only reason i still have the tank.
unique scaffold
What you say, T-54 Ltwt is best tier 8 heavy
jovial kernel
T-54 ltwt is actually the perfect tank for Himmelsdorf heavy tank lane
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold true. Its sometimes bad at lower server population times
@jovial kernel no i think thats a drac or a leo pta
jovial kernel
the T-54 ltwt has the mobility to get there first and the turret armor to put some heavies to shame, as well as decent alpha and dpm, with pen that can get through weak spots
unique scaffold
Leo PT A is meh to crap IMO
The gun depression is atrocious
jovial kernel
it does have mobility and dpm tho
rain ivy
@jovial kernel but it requires support, unless you think you can handle 3 heavies pushing you by yourself
unique scaffold
Mobility is meh, the traverse, power weight ratio and terrain resistance caused me nightmares
jovial kernel
@rain ivy just get a ltwt platoon there and run away when it goes sour lol
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold just like leo pta drivers
wraith lance
The Leo 1 is so good tho
jovial kernel
the Leo 1 actually takes skill tho why would I want to drive that
unique scaffold
Sadly I suck too much to use Leo 1 properly
analog spruce
WG can't create French discord server or other ?
unique scaffold
I’d like them to add French or Spanish server
But this discussion is #off-topic-discussion
lunar niche
Leo is pretty good. Gun trolls me sometimes though.
ivory fractal
I don’t think they’ll ever make a separate server for those audiences mentioned above ^ specific language channels we were told would come but I guess it’s a time thing
wraith lance
I love the thing but my WR isn't good
dusky oxide
I thought about the leo once and ended up getting an stb. It was way before it got buffed. I came to the conclusion that having a little armor at tier x is a necessity on maps this small.
unique scaffold
Channel or server, I don’t mind, as long as I can speak the languages I understand the most
And not being answered by « I don’t speak baguette » or « I don’t speak despacito »
tribal summit
Leo1 is anti troops tank not anti tank :)
Great to shot conquerors HE
I believe gun is good and depression
wraith lance
Everything except for the armor is good tbh
north marten
burning onion spread shell
like the one in flankpanzer
fiery flame
Sorry, what???
upbeat tide
leo 1 is competitive tank. just has niche playstyle
fiery flame
You mean you need to utilise some brain cells to use it correctly?
little crest
it requires lots of knowledge and brain cells to drive/play the leo 1 is what he probably meant
jovial kernel
it takes an intellectual lol
white vessel
Leo 1 has a lovely gun
tall ocean
E 75 needs a nerf on its gun... Does 600 Damage with Premium Shells. While a IS 7 only does 500 with Premium. Pretty bull. Also the IS 7 gun is terrible
lunar niche
@tall ocean wut?
tall ocean
An E 75 earlier did 600 damage to me on the front side of my armour. It kept on doing that too with premium shells. I used my premiums against it and it did only 500 Damage. I believe a IS 7 gun should be better then a mere E 75...
wraith lance
E 75 and IS 7 both deal 460 with standard and 390 with prwmium IIRC
lunar niche
600 alpha is from HE. AP's max roll is 575 while APCR's max roll is 488.
wraith lance
E 75 and IS 7 both deal 460 with standard and 390 with premium IIRC
tall ocean
then how tf did he deal 600?!
lunar niche
@tall ocean Which tank were you driving?
tall ocean
IS 7
lunar niche
It could probably be from getting shot twice at the same time from 2 different tanks.
tall ocean
it wasnt
lunar niche
Aside from HE, E75 does not even have 600 alpha.
jovial kernel
I prefer the T57 because 183s can't HESH the turret
Well not as easily, there's probably some whacky weak spot
shy wren
@tall ocean were you set on fire?
unique scaffold
Got a lucky SU-122-44 from biggest chest a couple of weeks ago, but I wonder, the engine is really a bit weak, I equipped the tank with every possible equipment and provisions, still not fast as I'd like, even if it's a good TD with good DPM and sidescraping capabilities. I hope in an engine buff at least, or traverse buff
wraith lance
You can't have everything @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
I suppose... But it's a suggestion
crystal spoke
something has to balance it
night thunder
@unique scaffold its alrrady very good buffing its engine would only make another wz 120 1 g ft which is broken
teal echo
leo 1 vs any tank x
deft owl
@wraith lance Leo 1 aiming time is trash. Its worst in tier x meds. Also having huge size with paper armor helps you a lot to ripping apart by hesh round.
wraith lance
@deft owl 1.9s of aim time is the 3rd worst but it's certainly not bad. It's also the balancing factor
quick lichen
Leopard 1 has the best accuracy in class. You don’t need to use the aim time
iron lynx
Does the Leopard 1 have high DPM
west torrent
Yes
iron lynx
O nice
hidden scaffold
Leo also has the best accuracy while firing while moving (not sure on the stats but by experience I’ve never played anything as smooth as it’s gun handling)
lunar niche
Obj 140 has the best on the move accuracy. Most Russian tanks always have better soft stats.
jovial kernel
pretty sure the T-62A's lower base dispersion actually makes it better on the move than the 140, despite having worse on the move dispersion
obsidian osprey
Stats for the three in order of aimtime, base dispersion, disp. from movement, hull Traverse, turret Traverse:
T62a: 1.36 | .272 | .100 | .100 | .050
Leo: 1.81 | .272 | .100 | .100 | .050
140: 1.81 | .317 | .080 | .080 | .050
T62a and Leo 1 both drop .007 from the first two disp factors while 140 only drops .006 in each at full level 7 crew skills, making the spread even worse. 140 has worse dispersion in every single scenario compared to the other two.
iron lynx
Huh
And I thought the defining trait of the Soviets is bad accuracy
obsidian osprey
62a received 2 or 3 straight precision buffs in a row. 140 was supposed to get a second gun that they would test some different stat changes on, but that seems to have been postponed or cancelled. 🤷♂️
smoky yoke
bc people were doing way better in 140 and everyone was choosing the 140 over the t62a, t-62a was a alright tank but no one wanted to play it for some reason
iron lynx
Probably gun depression.
Gun depression is a special stat where the addition of a single digit garners admiration.
brazen frost
Personally, I'd take that accuracy and aim time over 1 degree more gun depression
twilit crystal
Imo its the turret armor. Id rather play a leo than a 140 tbh
rain ivy
STB got better turret armor tho
north marten
flip
deft owl
If you are talking about general gun handlings t62a has better accuracy.
Russian bias as its finest form.
torpid tiger
The penetration indicator should be removed not improved smh
unique scaffold
WG is trying to make the game simpler, they won’t remove hit skins
jovial kernel
@obsidian osprey but you forget that dispersion is additive.
T-62A .272+.1+.1+.05=.522
Obj. 140 .317+.08+.08+.05=.527
It's not much of a difference, but the T-62A still gets better accuracy on the move.
unique scaffold
Whats with the OP fantasy tanks...
upbeat tide
Wow Leo 1 gun handling is worse than T-62A
But I guess it has better gun depression, alpha damage, pen and speed...
unique scaffold
Please Buff wz 112 2
craggy kayak
why buff sa 112 2 ?
cursive yarrow
Why adding more prems to the game just add more tech tree lines
I mean normal wot hase almost 10 nations why does blitz not have that variation
dusky oxide
Because after youve added those nations theres not much more than maps to add
coarse harness
Normal wot is a bit older game🙄
clever mauve
59 Patton > type 59 > T95E2 change my mind
white vessel
Leo 1 can get its shots more reliably due to gun dep than t62a
obsidian osprey
@jovial kernel right, that was my point- the 140 has worse dispersion even when accounting for the better dispersion factors from movement and hull Traverse. It’s rough.
@white vessel Right, that is an important thing to consider- gun handling isn’t in a vacuum; the Leo has better alpha, pen, and gun depression (ignoring non-gun related complexities like speed, armor, camo etc). The Leo used to be the best gun handling med in the game (best gun handling tank period maybe? Not 100% but possibly). I suppose the T-62 ONLY had armor and a very small DPM advantage compared to the Leo previously. Good T62a armor vs. virtually non-existent Leo armor is a huge difference, but if the Leo were to be better in virtually every single way, it makes the T62a unappealing (so the thinking probably somewhat rightly went). So they decided to make the t62’s gun handling (all 3 components at that) better lol
coarse harness
There is no problem with the Leo
twilit crystal
T62 also had better camo
coarse harness
That autoloader avg dmg tho
twilit crystal
again its because you get a lot of avg dmg at the end like a 183
wraith lance
@indigo knot IS6 is good as it is, it doesn't need a buff
unique scaffold
If they buff the gun of the t57 heavy it’ll be overpowered by me
Wait the damage is the orange line
twilit crystal
#giveamx501004shellsagain
coarse harness
Leavethe50100alone
wraith lance
1240 burst would be OP at tier VIII
coarse harness
The only thing they should buff on it is the aim time, but that would be OP as well
wraith lance
It's fine as it is right now
coarse harness
^^^
unique scaffold
Give the Lorraine and all there French lights 6 shells per clip.
And while we're at it let's give the Bulldog its historical 10 shot autolader.
#makelightsgreatagain
coarse harness
Again ?🤔
drowsy plaza
AMX 50 100 is fine as is. When they bumped the Alpha in the 4 shot clip it was broken OP, so they cut a shell. It hovered around 62% for me with 2k avg dmg after the change - it was way over performing with the alpha and 4 shots. Honestly I’d love to see tier 7 data. I rarely play tier 7, but I’d be amused to see its ‘balance’ stats.
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold id rather have 3 shells thx. Its hard enough unload safely in a bit more than 6seconds. Wg has already stated that increasing clip sizes would keep the tanks too long out of combat. And what comes to historical accuracy, balance is more important.
obsidian osprey
I played the amx 50 100 yesterday for an anniversary. I was pleasantly surprised, even compared to its cousin the Lorraine.
odd girder
WZ Blaze should get little buff...
clever mauve
^
twilit crystal
50 100 is one of the worst tier 8s rn tho
wraith lance
Can you elaborate
jovial kernel
it's a very niche tank for sure but I wouldn't say bad
twilit crystal
it has no gun depression,average mobility,large as a house, bad gun handling , mediocre clip potential after the nerf, No armor and even worse dpm than it had with 4 shells
wraith lance
930 burst isn't bad at all, gun handling could be improved but an armor or mobility buff would break the tank IMO
indigo knot
The gun handling is only bad part about amx50100
I recently grinded the 50b so that was the only issue that was creating any problem and gun elevation was something i struggled with
There is something I can't understand that tier 7s are too strong against tier 6s especially meds (lot of dpm) but at tier 8 they all suck only t20 is the med with mediocre dpm
coarse harness
Just look at the charts
The 50 100s avg dmg is like a montain among the others next to it
But the T-44-100 really could use a buff...
At least give the same engine or gun depression like on the regular T-44😒
drowsy plaza
T-44-100 is a bait car. Good for trolling HE/HEAT users.
obsidian osprey
Yeah the 50 100 has extremely bad gun handling; the base dispersion and aimtime are middle of the pack for tier 8 heavies (so not good considering the lower half includes the IS family eww), and while the “dispersion factors” are relatively low among heavies, they’re high for a fast, paper heavium, especially factoring in the bad dispersion after shot too since it’s an auto loader. They need to cinch that stuff up a bit.
The dpm and pen are among the best of tier 8 heavies, with a 930 Clip Potential in 6 seconds. That whole package seems fine to me
drowsy plaza
As long as it can save health in the first 1/3rd of a game, it then can be a monster roaring around clipping out tanks - and ram as well those it failed to clip.
thick mirage
Hello
stuck girder
wz113 need a buff
unique scaffold
Buff Kpfpz 70 in everything, it's an OP tank but I have to use all the provisions I have to make it usable, too much credits used, and only 30k remains gained generally
wraith lance
Buff Kpfpz 70
It's an OP tank
What
quick lichen
It’s also an enriched tank. Not a premium
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold get a tier 8 premium if you want to make credits
Or just run a booster + premium time
unique scaffold
No. It says that players burnout on this game just like any other. @simple comet
I don't see it going downhill. There have been highs and lows (3.8 being a low) and the meta has definitely changed but at its core it is a good game. Not broken.
dusky oxide
Idk.. theres things added and changes made but its stuff like avatars that dont bring much joy. I'd play a lot more supremacy if my teammates generally knew how to play it. I'd also play ranked if it meant i got to play with people that have the same skill level. Theres good ideas, just bad implementations. For an experienced player theres not much there. I personally dont even enjoy the current high tier meta of a lot of tds and heavy tanks dominating.
jovial kernel
WG should add a credit bonus for playing with random game mode rather than just choosing the one you want and never playing the other
wraith lance
So basically Rating battles?
jovial kernel
Only unlike ratings you can get into games in less than 5 minutes
wraith lance
Lol, yeah
jovial kernel
AWA has it, why can't WoTB :/
haughty harness
Plzz Nerf T49 Derp Gun
rain ivy
Y? @haughty harness
haughty harness
coz too OP
unique scaffold
Pen below average, HE ammo = bankrupt, slow reload and shell velocity, poor accuracy...what OP it’s just an average derp gun
rain ivy
Y is it op? @haughty harness
@unique scaffold it's a shotgun, since it's American. Derps are Russian only
unique scaffold
That’s just the same
rain ivy
Derps are blessed by the RNG gods. Shotguns are hopping in the pickup and chasing that duck 😂
iron lynx
Um, T49 isn't exactly OP
HEAT bounces 40% of the time, more so against IS-X tanks.
HE is extremely expensive.
Although it is very effective late-game, where everyone is at sub-400 health.
I like it too
Got one of my two Kolobanov on that tank
Oh wait is Raiseinai
jovial kernel
every single one of my Kalobanov medals was complete luck and I have 5 now lol
iron lynx
My final shot on the Raiseinai is complete luck too
Sub-100 HP vs full HP IS.
Then RNG abandoned him and bestowed an ammo rack.
upbeat tide
T49 is perfectly balanced, as all things should be
iron lynx
That's before its module damage was nerfed.
twilit crystal
T49 is just stupid due to how mm dependent it is but it is fun
quick lichen
T49 isn’t a carrying tank. You can’t do 2k plus against is spam unless they allow you to splash all game or you get behind them
The games where you do massive damage are against rather soft enemy line ups. It’s pretty balanced as is
iron lynx
All or nothing
Probably
drowsy plaza
It needs a missile 🤫
lone warren
make it autloader
unique scaffold
In my opinion T49 just needs a +8 on standard penetrations, so I can drop the calibrated shells and use rammer, and maybe more ammorack probability value, but all considered, it's a balanced tank
unique scaffold
I'd say reverse the pen and reload nerf but leave the module damage as is.
That being said the T49 is workable as is and still a fun tank. I just think the nerfs were overkill.
tulip tiger
I agree that the T-44-100 is fairly lacking compared to other vehicles
twilit crystal
I think the t49 needs a 960 dmg 0 pen shell
unique scaffold
YES!
Give it like 20 pen
pseudo grail
The t49 should shoot rubber ducks that deal 1400 damage
thin condor
Yes
tulip tiger
It should shoot Buicks tbh
final narwhal
of all tanks, the VK 72 needs BUFF the most. It is god awful
lunar niche
Jageru needs it more.
unique scaffold
SP 1 C needs it more.
wraith lance
Don't forget about the VK 30.02 D
unique scaffold
WG just put this thing in the game then totally forgot about it. It’s been crap for years
drowsy plaza
Historically the 152mm gun on the T49, Sheridan and MBT-70 had a HEAT ATGM, and a HEDP shell for light armor and bunker targets.
main tulip
lone warren
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jade cargoBOT
Plague.#6840 has been warned.
lone warren
Your link showed nudity and you only got a warning seems legit
jade cargoBOT
Plague.#6840 was muted
quick lichen
@lone warren set
lone warren
Fast response though cheers
crystal spoke
Hey iraik
quick lichen
Hi
west torrent
Sorry I didnt click it, just saw dating site
jade cargoBOT
Plague.#6840 was banned
drowsy plaza
Well maybe he though he was balancing some loneliness 😜
junior tulip
@main tulip as a person who's grinding that line rn, I 100% agree
drowsy plaza
Chinese Meds 8-10 aren’t typical Meds. You need to use the turret armor and the fast aim time at the start as you don’t win DPM battles
I ground that line to X stock with 50% crews to see how bad it could be. Not fun, but maxed they are very effective
queen hemlock
@late tiger Panther II is even worse than those two in terms of WR
jovial kernel
Why would you run 50% crews, that sounds like torture.
Like come on, 75% at least lol
queen hemlock
50 crew 🤢
jovial kernel
@queen hemlock isn't the Panther II like the worst winrate tank in the game?
queen hemlock
It is @jovial kernel
jovial kernel
yeah it probably needs some help. What if we just gave it the same dpm as the Comet
drowsy plaza
I ran 50% crews simply to see pain ;). My first 11 tier X’s where stock ground with 50% crews and I needed a flashback...
jovial kernel
o
drowsy plaza
Panther 2 needs something- the silhouette is enormous and the sides are paper - as well as not nimble enough to maneuver. If you can have some distance it is capable - basically a toon only tank.
jovial kernel
a touch of mobility perhaps?
unique scaffold
Ironically I didn’t even mind the Panther 2 at all
lone warren
I find it okay. But it just seems like most of the other meds do what it does better
remote hazel
I need help
wraith lance
I would give the Panther II more armor, so people get used to the E 50 playstyle a tier lower
Just like what happened with the T25 AT, they wanted people to get used to the playstyle of the rest of the line so they buffed the armor
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold Panther 2 was doing pretty well for a few updates - then got completely power crept. I was remediating it for a bit and was running 70%+ and 2k dmg - now I struggle to win, I’m still over 2k avg dmg in 30-60-90, but basically parked it as my WR was tanking.
unique scaffold
I played it only 2 months ago