#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 113

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Can we expect a buff to t34-2 and perhaps also the t34-3?

slim rivet Jan 25, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Oh u right, I m a bot sorry @empty ice

lone warren Jan 25, 2019, 11:47 AM

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If they nerf e3 i will be very sad. I love my e3 so much

delicate mountain Jan 25, 2019, 12:20 PM

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@dusky oxide I thought it was 54-65%, but I could be reading it wrong

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 12:56 PM

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So couple things I’d like to see

VK 100 nerf
buffs to 90mm tech tree tier 8 mediums
buffs to IS-6, 112 and IS-2shhhh
IS-3 small nerf
Buffs to T28 and SU-101 (maybe AMX but that’s a stretch)
Type 61 and PTA needs buffs,
Mauchen needs armor nerfs and damage potential has to go
small buffs to M103 tops. (And maybe kpz)
T95 buff seems to be required.
Foch needs small nerfs, but it’s overpreforming it’s other high dpm counterparts.
183 hasn’t been nerfed in 5.6 (nerf is 5.7) so eh.
Grille and Jag needs help
Maus needs nerf, (no idea why VK 72.01K is that good)
IS-4 needs a retooling
All Tier x meds, heavies are generally fine
TDs are fine on the higher end

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Ok, I need to talk about something. JgPzE100 has still the worst average dmg of tier 10, and the 3rd worst win rate. When buff?

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:00 PM

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And who ever is saying the VK 100.01P isn’t op, it’s one of the very few tanks that are in the 61%+ range

And people are finding more damage in that, than NEARLY ALL the tier 9 heavies on average. Want to know the exception? The mauschen of course.

When tech tree tanks out perform the defender

empty ice Jan 25, 2019, 1:00 PM

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📎 5.6_-_tier_8.png

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@lusty silo where is the tier 8 wz TD?

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:01 PM

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and skorp

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Seriously JgPzE100 needs buff, either give it more mobility or buff a bit it’s armor

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:02 PM

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It honestly needs a little flexibility- You can’t justify it over a e3

empty ice Jan 25, 2019, 1:02 PM

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I guess 75% wr and 2.8k average

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:05 PM

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And Grille has the 2nd lowest win rate combined with the 2nd or 3rd worst avg dmg. This one needs a camo buff

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:06 PM

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When you combine winrate with winrate. Plus there’s other ways to make a tank better @unique scaffold

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:06 PM

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When the vk 100 p stats are way better than any of the others

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:06 PM

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My bad 🤦🏻‍♂️ I meant damage

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Problem is tier x Grille is still viable and good

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Grille is amazing

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Seems underperforming according to charts

empty ice Jan 25, 2019, 1:07 PM

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I guess the wz is not included because they didn't get enough data

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:08 PM

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I guess but that’s at the lower end of tier x players, at the competitive levels- it’s still really good

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Bc ppl don't know how to play it so they go in bad positions and get nuked @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:09 PM

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I think it’s more because the camo is bad and that’s why they get nuked
Or maybe it is because in 5.6 183 could still outspot it and then nuke it 🤔

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:10 PM

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I've used the camo and it works for me. I shoot and usually reposition unless it's a spot where I can hide before they shoot me

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:10 PM

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I think reworking camo can be quite dangerous and reworking gun handling so grilles can land better shots is a logical approach

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Maybe fine tuning a already good tank is what it needs

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:12 PM

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But hasn’t it already amazing gun handling ?
Nevermind. Blitz kind of nerfs Grille by having 500x500m maps. The laser accuracy isn’t as amazing and useful as it is on PC

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:12 PM

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It's pretty useful to me

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Lots of dispersion on turret traverse- u check in garage

swift rose Jan 25, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Is e50m getting nerfed?

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Why, it is far to be OP

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:13 PM

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I don't think it is getting nerfed

quartz crown Jan 25, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Imo it prob should

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Y

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Best tier x med by far

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Balanced by low pen and flat turret armor

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Only when facing other meds and some heavies @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Wdym low pen lol 330 heat just like every other med

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:16 PM

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It's a good med for some roles but for other roles it's not

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Yeah that's true but its overall the best

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But for better pen it’ll lose some alpha

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:16 PM

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It's somewhat situational

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Bc they buffed the gun dep I dont find it situational at all. Would u rather pen with lower damage or bounce?

coral echo Jan 25, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I'd rather have the similar alpha and pen gun as the other tier ten meds, like what it has now

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Anyways I gtg i have school

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 1:21 PM

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« Would you rather pen with lower damage or bounce » why do I get that answer absolutely everytime ? That’s not the point here. The tank has low pen, if you want more, you lose alpha. That’s the balance. 330 prammo pen isn’t the same that 330 standard round pen

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Do you not get how premium ammo works

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Lower alpha, higher pen. That’s how ~~mafia~~ prammo works

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Yeah so would you use heat and actually do damage or ap/apcr and bounce

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Depends. If I can’t pen, I go to the side of the tank. If I still can’t pen, I go to its rear. And then if I still can’t pen I shoot prammo

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If ur playing someone who's just gonna let u go to their side it's a bot

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Or he’s busy with teammates

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 2:02 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502017295107883008/538270436522328075/5.6_-_tier_8.png

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People be like “VK 100.01P is BalAnCeD”

median gust Jan 25, 2019, 2:08 PM

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OMG ikr god that thing is OP

hushed fox Jan 25, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Its stranger neither the Wz Td or the M4 French heavy are on the chart, both at the top last chart released 🤔

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Read what it says at the top of the chart

hushed fox Jan 25, 2019, 2:14 PM

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I find it hard to believe the Wz Td is used so little, M4 sure, but not Wz

lunar niche Jan 25, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Jageru still terrible, even on avg dmg.

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Japanese tanks aren’t played enough that I see ppl with 1800 dmg get a 3rd mastery like in most of my tanks it’s 3500

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Good. They arent for most

remote valley Jan 25, 2019, 3:09 PM

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T-34-2 seems to need sum love mauschen and vk 100.01p either needs balancing or wg slaps in op tanks to counter them ._.

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 3:10 PM

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So nerfed since nobody wants more tds or heavies

remote valley Jan 25, 2019, 3:12 PM

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@hushed fox i believe its caused the wz was added in between thts why they didnt take it into acc they shud have still tho the wz was played quite a lot

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Well say if you have 30k battles or something it means you need to play at least 300 games in the WZ for it even to count

lyric walrus Jan 25, 2019, 3:25 PM

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but the WZ and the French M4 were in the previous charts they released

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Must be sporadic usage, but I see Wz all the time, especially in ratings battles

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But I remember now, ratings battles likely don't count for their stats....🤔

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Maus isn’t op just if u aren’t very smart and don’t shoot the cheeks or lower plate

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Maus is not supposed to shoot it just soaks up damage and shoot when everyone reloading, because turret is weak on the front

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 4:08 PM

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@lyric walrus yeah, this chart.

📎 5.4_-_tier_8.png

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:10 PM

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@dusky oxide as you can see that chart is for overall stats, but the new one they released was only for tanks which have more the 1% of total battles

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 4:12 PM

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So the new one is more accurate but has info on less tanks. The player skill level is still the same. @fiery flame

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Correct

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Heres the player amount from blitzstars tank-compare. Its below the wr Idk how recent it is. On the right theres an su-101.

📎 Screenshot_20190125-181806__01.jpg

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:19 PM

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I think blitzstars does a 90 day average . But yeah the WZ 120 1G FT is completely broken overpowered, not much we can do about that

sleek vault Jan 25, 2019, 4:21 PM

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VKP gonna be predicted getting hard nerfed with those #devs-answers

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 4:24 PM

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@fiery flame im looking forward to comparing it with its tech tree counterpart :D

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Meadsy did a video on the new Chinese tds and the new tier 8 is based of the Chinese 111 heavy tank hull so it’s much slower and from what I can tell it seems to have worse armour

@dusky oxide check his video out:
https://youtu.be/ydIT56u28kU

YouTube

WOT BLITZ meadsy69

Wotb: UPDATE 5.8 | Chinese TD's

Edited vid So update 5.8 is due in the coming weeks. And the main feature in this are the Chinese tank destroyers. From tier 6 up to tier 10. In this vid w...

▶ Play video

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Thx. I only watch neaul and sk8 but meadsy posts a lot earlier about balance changes and apparrently new content @fiery flame

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Yeah meadsy is quick to get the news out, I respect him for that

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 4:49 PM

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yay chinese td!

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 4:52 PM

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@fiery flame my honest question is this. Which is the problem? The vk 100 or the players?

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:53 PM

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@quick lichen a bit of both I think, but the only thing WG can fix is the tank and not the players 😉

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I mean I've got a nice few perfect examples of side hugging a VK 100.01 (P) and killing it with my IS-6 so it's not that the VK 100.01 (P) is just that overwhelmingly good.

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 4:54 PM

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You cant change the players but yiu can change the tank. Just because its new dorsnt mean only exp players play it. Theres plenty of noobs with free xp to buy the new tank.

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And german line has a noob stigma

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I don’t know if I agree honestly with nerfing anything other than maybe rof and traverse

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It’s a super heavy. It doesn’t need a armor nerf

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It needs to be seen more by players who have no idea how to handle it

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Honestly people need more games against vk spam

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Until they start realizing that you can’t pen the turret with ap in a tier 7 light from the front, the tank is “op”

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Meh I think the problem lies in its armour not its mobility or gun, a weaker cupola would balance the tank in my opinion, and I don’t mean nerf it to the point that tier 7 light can pen it

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I heard a lot of talk about 180 mm cupola

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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i feel like it should be slightly easier to pen

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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180 would be nice

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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i struggle in my kv4 with top modules mounted to pen the vk 100.01

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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I still think player iq needs a buff

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I’ve played against the vks and they’re annoying

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But you flank, use team work, trade shots, etc to kill it

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You don’t Brawl it 1v1 frontally

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:00 PM

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im not talking about front pen or such, literally flanked it and shot it 6 times, 5/6 never* penned

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Exactly

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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I’m with you there, if you fight them correctly they are nothing special but in the majority of circumstances the tank outshines it’s competition

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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The real question is can you blame a tank for player stupidity?

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Or lack of experience

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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i meant never penned

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 5:02 PM

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What tank were you in?

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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KV-4, shot back of turret twice, shot side twice (penned once), shot side of turret, and shot track once

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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@quick lichen well we have had quite some time to fight the vk on the battlefield so yeah I blame the tank, players usually learn pretty quickly what the weaknesses of a tank are

quick lichen Jan 25, 2019, 5:04 PM

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I’m sorry but either it’s your aim or you’re really unlucky

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If I can standard pen the sides and rear with an is5, you should be able to with a kv4

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:05 PM

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or something about the KV-4s top gun is freaked

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 5:05 PM

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You probably hit this bit of the vk @urban sapphire

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jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:05 PM

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I can standard pen the sides with my T-44 and stock gun IS-6 so yeah you're just unlucky lol

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:06 PM

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jfc why is it always me 😦

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i guess ill just stick to going after other competition in the match

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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you just gotta hit that top part flat and you can pen it reliably with about 160

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top part of the hull side

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I have a replay where i held up 4 enemies alone with this tank
Finally they managed to kill me after a bit more than 1 minutes with about 4K blocked, 3K dealt dmg
I wasn't even in hull down position and they were all around me

fringe summit Jan 25, 2019, 5:17 PM

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WG can do 2 things about the WZ 120 1G FT:

Make it a collectible and nerf it. Than give players the chance to sell it for the 15 000 gold.
Buff all other tanks

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Ahaha very funny the 120 FT is fine

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:19 PM

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maybe its reload is a lil fast but thats the only problem i feel it has

fringe summit Jan 25, 2019, 5:19 PM

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@solemn shoal I think you rather pick a WZ 120 g over the SU 101...

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I do have the WZ 120

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:20 PM

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It outperforms all the other tier 8 TDs for a reason.
They should just buff the rest of tier 8 and make sure future premiums aren't more powerful than tech tree tanks
It's got way too much traverse to circle it, meaning that you need someone to distract it just to take it out easily since they're gonna always run double repair kit and the improved track health

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Well with a tier 9 gun and sloped armor it’s rly a heavy opponent

fringe summit Jan 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Today on Normandy:
Me (T28 proto), VK 100.01 (P) and T32 shot at the same moment on the WZ 120 FT (which had 100 hp)
Guess what, we all didn’t pen it

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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yea i see your point of contention

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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It's not fun when you need to shoot their track 3-6 times just to get the tracks off and there's no way to get around it if the tracks are on

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Sloped armor always trolling -~-

fringe summit Jan 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Yup

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Wish they give ltwt little traverse speed :v that tank is fun to play

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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I think we can all agree that no tank should have heavy tank armor, medium tank mobility (light tank level traverse lol), a proper TD gun,and be the size of an E 25.

fringe summit Jan 25, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@jovial kernel Exactly

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Ahaha that would be camping all day or be the shield with a high caliber

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:24 PM

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a tank that size shouldn't have nearly as much armour as it does

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Nah it's possible
just not balanced

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Wayyyy off balance

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Wish they didn’t nerf 183 camo :/

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:26 PM

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lol I'm glad they did

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:26 PM

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the thing is, it's a blueprint tank too

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Lol it has the worst camo in game rn

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 5:27 PM

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BC25TAP needs a speed buff a light tank slower than all the meds pathetic

urban sapphire Jan 25, 2019, 5:27 PM

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meaning WG can screw with it

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 5:27 PM

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The accuarcy nerf wasn't nessesary imo

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:27 PM

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WG screwed all tanks atm

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Wym the bat chat has bad accuracy to can’t shoot on run

fringe summit Jan 25, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Bc 25t AP stock gun is the most accurate gun in tier 9 😱

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:28 PM

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I’m fine with all the other nerfs I just hate the camo nerf ;-;

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Now THAT WAS nessesary🙄

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Lol and they also did the traverse. I mean if it’s already weak at concealment at least give it a chance to escape but no lol

fringe summit Jan 25, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Yeah, 183 was to campy lol

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Have to agree with that

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It’s like a nuke launch code. Just waiting and press the button

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I just got killed by my own e100 can u ban ppl who trol, teams he was spamming ha ha ha and doing it to everyone

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Enough downvotes can give them a chat ban

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Btw he has a ton of reports he probably does that a lot

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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the camo and the accuracy were nerfs enough, the traverse was beating a dead horse
I mean not that I don't mind the 183 being extra dead as a medium player

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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@unique scaffold send a ticket with proof

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:33 PM

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It is a medium tank now XD. From long range to mid range what do u think

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I don’t even want to play 183 now lol. Not just that tier X mechanics are bad rn but also the nerf lol

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Btw do they need the fix the is4 weak point at the front? 183 Hesh can penetrate it

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:37 PM

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I've been seeing shotgun 183 players which is interesting

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:37 PM

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It’s a med support now or heavy

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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it's a heavy lane mid range support tank now

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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127 frontal armor but feel like 10 😅

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 5:39 PM

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The only problem is there are just a few stupid player, who let you shoot him, if he sees you

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I just see them hide behind a rock then reverse out at an angle, take a shot then pull back behind the rock again

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Ppl also do trade shots on 183 especially meds

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Chat seems like a sniper now

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Yet it spots its kinda stupid bc whenever ur spotted other team suicide to kill u u win but it’s so frustrating. Only time it works is against low hp low mm tanks that flanked into u

solemn shoal Jan 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Lol and notice every 183 players always count on the meds? Every time just like move, spot them, go spot. lmao

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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"Hey you! Yeah, you. Go spot! I can't be bothered to move or anything or take any risks, so you should take all the risks for me while I just farm damage from the safety of this bush that's next to spawn."

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Lol

rancid flame Jan 25, 2019, 6:42 PM

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What does everyone think about the 122mm? It’s a great gun, but when it hits tier 9 it becomes noticeably less great since the 105 gets a 40 dmg buff and the 122 gets a 20 dmg buff for the Russians and no dmg buff for the Chinese, I think this is the main reason the WZ 120 and WZ 121 really suffer against their medium counterparts. What do you guys think?

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I'd say that at tier 9 and 10 122mm guns should do 440 and 130mm guns should do 480

rancid flame Jan 25, 2019, 6:45 PM

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^

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 6:50 PM

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but at the same time I wouldn't want to add that since the last thing needing a buff is the IS-4

rancid flame Jan 25, 2019, 6:52 PM

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It can be offset by decreasing its reload, and at the same time, that’s only a 20 dmg buff for the IS 4 (still translates into abt 200 dpm buff, but that’s still not too bad)

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 6:57 PM

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but it's the IS-4 which is kind of already borderline too good

feral ermine Jan 25, 2019, 6:57 PM

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IS-6 is bad :3

rancid flame Jan 25, 2019, 6:59 PM

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The IS-6 is a great medium

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Is-6 og

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 7:36 PM

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IS-6 og best medium

dusky oxide Jan 25, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Su-101 dispersion and aimtime buff? Make it stad out from the shadow of the op wz120ft1g

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 8:16 PM

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change it to be the PC version so it's just another WZ-120-1 FT lol

neat yew Jan 25, 2019, 8:47 PM

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The 101 is alright, actually, but the aim time is bad yeah

scarlet cargo Jan 25, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Just buff su101s armour on the hull to 120 mm just like the superstructure is

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T28 proto needs top speed buff

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Lol
First of all the regular T28 needs some kind of buff

scarlet cargo Jan 25, 2019, 9:34 PM

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All American tier 8 tech tree tanks need some love

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 9:37 PM

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T28 is way better than the proto lol

balmy cipher Jan 25, 2019, 9:39 PM

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The front hull was protected by 60 mm (2.36 in) armor, sloped at a 30° angle, giving an effective frontal thickness of 90 mm (3.54 in), while the sides had 45 mm (1.77 in) at 90°, and the rear 45 mm (1.77 in) at 45°. The turret face and mantlet were 90 mm (3.54 in) thick, with 75 mm (2.95 in) sides and 52 mm (2.04 in) at the rear http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_T34-85.php

Tank Encyclopedia

T-34/85

The T-34/85 was rearmed with a modified 85 mm (3.35 in) AA gun, housed in a new turret. It was produced in larger numbers than the first model, until 1947.

neat yew Jan 25, 2019, 9:51 PM

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@jovial kernel you sure the T28 is that good? Someone gets past you, game over. The gun is good and the camo as well but that's about it.

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 9:52 PM

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The armor is superior to the prototype and the prototype's massive weak spot of a turret is so hilariously easy to avoid that it's not even funny.

karmic swallow Jan 25, 2019, 9:53 PM

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looks at charts
Ok so maybe VK100.01 (p) is a little unbalanced

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 9:54 PM

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@jovial kernel the charts says something else

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 9:55 PM

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the prototype can be bullied by faster tier 7s, and tier 8s can just cleanly pen the turret

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non proto can be bouncy against tier 8 unlike the proto

twilit crystal Jan 25, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Uh it also says the mauschen is op. Wgs stats are pretty garbage tbh

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 9:59 PM

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OP

📎 IMG_20190125_195031.jpg

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 9:59 PM

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lol

wet quail Jan 25, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Nerf the wz 120 FT it’s just stupid

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 10:04 PM

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you're expecting them to nerf a tier 8 premium
lol

coarse harness Jan 25, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Play with other OP T8s and punish them🤷🏻‍♂️

deft owl Jan 25, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@wet quail Lol good luck at nerfing a tier 8 premium.

dim field Jan 25, 2019, 10:39 PM

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I think the proto ends up being better thhan regular t28. Better view range, better gd, and it has a turret. T28 has better dpm but has a harder time getting in position and getting back to cover than proto.

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 10:40 PM

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The entire turret on the photo is a weak spot and the turret doesn't even turn to face backwards

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Regular t28 is straight up trash, I don’t see how anyone in their right mind would play it

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 10:42 PM

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I don't see why anyone would play the prototype because I personally think it's even more trash

dim field Jan 25, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Proto is more flexible, easier to use cover.

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 10:43 PM

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You can use it as a heavy tank really effectively as it has a really good gun and ok armour

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But it’s is incredibly slow, that’s the only problem

twilit crystal Jan 25, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Does view range even matter in this game?

queen hemlock Jan 25, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Yes

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But not as much as you would think or hope

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 10:46 PM

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No

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 10:46 PM

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The problem with the prototype is the turret armor is just so bloody terrible

unique scaffold Jan 25, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Just run in to the enemy and you will be fine trust me

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Famous words of an IS-5 driver

twilit crystal Jan 25, 2019, 10:49 PM

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The fact an is7 has only 10 meters less view range than a batchat shows u that view range almost never matters. After heavies get optics the game is dumb

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Yeah lol

fiery flame Jan 25, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Yeah but batchat has camo

jovial kernel Jan 25, 2019, 10:51 PM

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View range doesn't matter only camo does

deft owl Jan 25, 2019, 11:02 PM

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@twilit crystal View range matters but not as like in wot pc.

twilit crystal Jan 25, 2019, 11:20 PM

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The point is that after the batghar fires the is7 will spot said batchat

empty ice Jan 25, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Lol, view range matters the exact same amount as camo

quick lichen Jan 26, 2019, 12:20 AM

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But like, who plays an is7 to begin with?

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 12:28 AM

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mmhhmm Russian line was my first line to play in this game

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Still the most nub friendly line in game

coral echo Jan 26, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Is7 is op when facing knobs that don't know how to pen it

zenith dirge Jan 26, 2019, 12:56 AM

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No is4

winged barn Jan 26, 2019, 1:01 AM

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No maus

upbeat summit Jan 26, 2019, 1:18 AM

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No bc25t

little crest Jan 26, 2019, 1:25 AM

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IS-7 isnt op when it faces tier 10 and some tier 9 tds, even when they're played by nubs

jovial kernel Jan 26, 2019, 1:26 AM

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I mean everyone is saying to nerf the VK's armor by stupid amounts but just chop off 5 d/s track traverse and make the hatch 195mm frontally and we good

red condor Jan 26, 2019, 1:40 AM

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If they wanted to make an OP tier 8 with a great gun, why can’t they have something that counters it. Make the kv5 have more armor and a better gun. 310 is pathetic for a tier 8

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 2:43 AM

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it has a fast reloading gun, make use of both

jovial kernel Jan 26, 2019, 3:38 AM

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"give KV-5 more armor" I'm sorry no, the KV-5 has plenty of armor for something that can hit 35 kph on flat ground

quick lichen Jan 26, 2019, 3:48 AM

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The kv5 is supposed to be bad

red condor Jan 26, 2019, 3:53 AM

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@jovial kernel It goes 40

jovial kernel Jan 26, 2019, 3:53 AM

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It can't reach that top speed unless it's going downhill.

red condor Jan 26, 2019, 3:53 AM

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No, it gets 40 on flat. I have the kv5 and use it a lot

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And it does not have a fast firing gun. 5.5 shells a minute.

jovial kernel Jan 26, 2019, 3:54 AM

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if it did then the IS-3 shouldn't be outrunning it effortlessly on flat ground

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I’d prefer the KV-4 over the KV-5. The R2D2 hatches are quite easy to hit

red condor Jan 26, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Hmm, I can’t send a screenshot here. Weird.

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Try using the KV-5 with the first 107mm gun. It’s got almost 7 rounds per minute

red condor Jan 26, 2019, 4:00 AM

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No way, I’d lose 55mm of pen right of the back.

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I did grind the KV-4 with the stock 107, it wasn’t that bad of a grind; it has good prammo pen.

red condor Jan 26, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Both the guns are 107mm @shy wren

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Kv-5 is a premium that doesn't fit well with blitz playstyle since we can see all it's weak points

fiery flame Jan 26, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Just wiggle it and play second line vs tier 9s

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 4:08 AM

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I just switch to prammo if I can't pen in my meds >.> , especially due to that gun depression, let it go over a big enough hump and it can't even shot you

red condor Jan 26, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Can’t go down, but sure as heck can aim upwards

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 4:11 AM

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@red condor I know that.

feral ermine Jan 26, 2019, 6:27 AM

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@smoky yoke In all WOT versions we can see it's weak points

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 6:29 AM

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In pc it's more off memory of where you can shot and what tanks you can shot , since the armor layout must be memorized

feral ermine Jan 26, 2019, 6:32 AM

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That's wrong, in PC it highlights strong and weak points

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In a way that makes it easier to understand where exactly you need to shoot and where you can't by just looking at the tank

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 6:35 AM

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I can say I played it enough to know that the only indicators on pc is the armor inspector reticle dot , you can get and it ranges from green 100% to orange 50-50 then to red 0% , in blitz we don't have to look around the tank. We see the whole armor profile and then aim for the weak spot

feral ermine Jan 26, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Blitz is supposed to be like that, I think they made it easier on Blitz because of phones

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 6:40 AM

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That is what am saying in pc version sometimes you can't shot certain parts of the tank that you would not think to shot at that angle meaning that in blitz , we have a better chance of making that hard to pen area pennable for a spilt second over angle. That's why most tanks in blitz if put in pc would be op since we can see their armor layout easily.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Fv183 is a shame aftef nerf
Did you guys test it ? Or you start to don't care aboute players at all !
You give him a nerf and made it imposible to play !
Al least 2 shoot from 5 go very wrong oposit you whanna shoot
2 for 5 shoots are bounce 100%
80% of HES is betwin 200 and 450 demage
Speed 2 from 10
Accuracy 0.5 from 10
Dispersion 1 from 10
Degration 1 from 10
E.t.c
At least made it tier 7

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I know some of you'll say it depends of player....I dont buy it as I got over 15 k with fv and i try yo play it after nerf even front line only to find out how.....
SAME !

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Um, what?

empty ice Jan 26, 2019, 9:41 AM

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boo hoo

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 9:47 AM

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@spare peakjust mobility was severely affected, and anyway it's still a fine tank, you just have to be more cautious in movements, because you can't move as quickly as before. Equipments then can help to counter the nerf of gun dispersion. I still use 183, and I WILL get angry if they decide it isn't not nerfed enough, but for now the tank is still playable and enjoyable

torpid tiger Jan 26, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Lol it's almost the same

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 9:48 AM

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@unique scaffold
Did I mention I got over 15k in this tank?
Not the best but....not the nob

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For who say is the same the even never play it even dont know wat the tallk

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Ugh. The nerfs are only the traverse, camo and accuracy. Base accuracy was nerfed from .385 to 0.42

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 9:50 AM

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It's not like you can tell WG to reverse the nerf anyway, so get on with it, it's still a good tank, and just have to play smarter from behind the lines and not 1st lines

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 9:50 AM

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From 10 battles you lucky if you survive in 3....i your team are 50%wr you become useless

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You got spotet seconds before al your team...so even thay take it out from the game evend the give him some armor and made him havry :)))

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So lets get nerf to leo as well....maybe mouse,jag, sould we tallk about outher op tanks ?:)

torpid tiger Jan 26, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Like anyone playing the tank is affected by the mobility nerf 😂😂 they were camping anyways
The cammo nerf was absolutely needed and the accuracy... you're still hitting shots and you're not supposed to be pin point accurate with that huge gun think about it

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Lots of friends super unicums even said there's not a big difference between the nerfed 183 and the un-nerfed one and most of them said it needs more of a nerf

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 9:56 AM

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Guy just ceck statistics afer nerf !
Is now the most useles tank of tier 10

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@torpid tiger
I apreciate your opinion I really do but lets not tallk about wat they say and lets tallk only if you play it now

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Was better if they remove it and that was all.
You all need to understand everyone have different stile to play/live/wallk.
If you wanna play only with guys wich they play front line I have no problem so lets remove all caracteristics of all tanks and let them play only one way

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:02 AM

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The mobility barely took a hit. 100% full provisions you can still move well. Same with accuracy. Only the camo took a significant nerf.

elfin marlin Jan 26, 2019, 10:03 AM

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The nerf of the 183 isn’t a big deal except for its camo . Just put your equipment in the right settings and make sure your crew skills are all level7. However, he is right when he says the he’s his doing most of the time low rolls now....

lunar niche Jan 26, 2019, 10:03 AM

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It was always the most useless tank of tier X with the ability to cripple both teams.

Very team dependent as you are not supposed to win games on this tank alone.

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:03 AM

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The fact that you say it’s impossible to play over not even that much of a nerf with 15k battles in it is stupid. Do you actually know how to play it my man?

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:04 AM

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@elfin marlin
All my skills are level 7 and i repet I got over 15k in this tank! Not a camper ! Not a nob !

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:04 AM

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You called jag and leo 1 op tanks too? Lmao

elfin marlin Jan 26, 2019, 10:05 AM

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I hear you mate. I am not pleased with the nerfs either. You get spotted way to quick

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:07 AM

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@lone warren
Im not stupid and please....is just my opinion.
Call me stupid,nob if thats uour education I just sayed what i think.
Take a fv183 and try to hit a leo but not that kinda leo wich gonna stay still and camp

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:09 AM

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I didn’t call you stupid. And the tank isn’t impossible to play. You were just so used to having a broken tank. The accuracy and mobility nerfs were minimal. The camo nerf was absolutely justified but they probably nerfed it a little too much. However the tank is not impossible to play.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:09 AM

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@lone warren
And just for you
Me and my team we was on place 14 on europe last year on tournaments.
Im the sniper of my team in over 3500 battles on tournaments.
Let me think I know what Im tallking!

lunar niche Jan 26, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Are you really saying you can't hit a moving Leo in a turreted TD?

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Saying the tank is impossible to play is a big exaggeration.

elfin marlin Jan 26, 2019, 10:11 AM

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I shot another static 183 with hesh. Aimed well on his weak spot and only did 455 dmg instead 1200 dmg you usually gets before the nerf

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:11 AM

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@lunar niche
Try it now
Is he is runing on 100 m to you....no chance

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Thats just rng. You can’t base it on one example.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:12 AM

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@lunar niche
If you lucky you do an 233 demage to him .trust me !

lunar niche Jan 26, 2019, 10:12 AM

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@spare peak then what about turretless td? If a turreted td can't hit a moving tank, turretlss would have no chance right? lol

233 splash is better than getting your shells eaten by tracks of batchat.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:13 AM

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@lone warren
Brother how many timse to mention I did not judge it after 1 battel

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Jesus christ im not talking to you

elfin marlin Jan 26, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Imo if we get more low rolls with hesh than normally you would have, make the shells cheaper. 7200 a round is way to expensive

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:14 AM

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It should be really expensive and stay that way.

lunar niche Jan 26, 2019, 10:15 AM

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HESH does splash between 400-800 max. Rolled 680 splash against a hulldown IS 4. Thats still an avg roll from a 640 alpha td.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:15 AM

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So I get it now.
That ones who dont like fv or td are happy. Is fair
Maybe you all wanna have on anemy team only nobs or kamikaze tank to make your win easly. GOOD LUCK AND GOOD DAY ALL

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:17 AM

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I have 2k battles in the deathstar lmao i took advantage of how broken it was. The nerfs were justified and saying its impossible to play isn’t right.

elfin marlin Jan 26, 2019, 10:18 AM

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True but the camo nerf is a bit to far nerved.

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I get spotted where you can’t be spotted cause the entire enemy team was on the far end of the map and I stood behind a big hill. And yet I get spotted 4 times. Light bulb went off like a disco light.

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The enemy were a all in one place....

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:26 AM

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@lone warren
I meet you in battles couple of goot time and I allways sayed to my self ...look a good player
Is not iposible to play is truth I was just too pi.s. off
But dont try to tell me is a tank wich you can still play and help your team at tier level 10 please dont if you are who I think you are !
All I try to say was is iposible to be consider it tier 10 anymor and again...lets do some nerf to outher OP tier 10 tanks as well.
Ps :
I wish you to play against 3 mouse /e100 and tell me after if and what could support you more in a battle with this monster armorred

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:28 AM

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You tried to say jg pz and leo 1 were op tanks. And idk who you are so probably not the person you’re thinking of.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:29 AM

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@lone warren
If you do a comparation wit fv 183 now they are

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Um, doesn’t the Deathstar have 325mm of pen with AP and CS, as HESH guns tend to run them? Since it has 5° of normalization, an E 100 is quite easy to pen with AP.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Jge100 for example you got e100 armore /allmost same pen and dem like fv
Fater reload than fv I think a better cammo .so what do you think ?

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:31 AM

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183 is balanced now

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Much better acuraci/dispersion...etc

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:31 AM

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So because it apparently does better than a deathstar you call them op. Where are you looking at for statistics? And jg pz doesnt have a turret, it has poor dispersion and the armour is easy to pen for a experienced player. Jg pz has a faster reload as it rolls quite lower.

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Yep, Trashpanzer E100

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Easy to penetreat it with a nob in front of you reload is lower but much faster than 183..ammo/cammo...r.t.c
So how you call fv183 Op and jg just an ordinary tank ....you make me lough

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:34 AM

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Deathstar has good dispersion turning the turret and even after the nerf its the same case. The accuracy isnt much different. The jg pz has worse dispersion moving the gun and with extremely limited space to move the gun its annoying.
183 can counter a flank much more effectively, a jg pz is way easier to outplay.
And i never called it op, it was a broken tank

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Jg Pz E 100 isn’t considered OP as it doesn’t really have a defined role.

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:36 AM

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Sure jg has more armour and a faster reload but the gun performs worse and the armour is honestly useless against anyone with mobility or anyone who loads gold for the superstructure

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:36 AM

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^

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 10:36 AM

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It’s too slow to front line. It’s riddled with weakspots. Alpha is good, but not the best. It cannot do HE splashes that well.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:36 AM

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Ok
Ill just let it go and play only e3,e4,jg,grill on td tanks
I bet all my money verry soon we gonna read opinion from a lot of player ....e3 desirve nerf...grill desitve ner...jg desirve ner...

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:37 AM

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just buff the meds a bit again 🤷

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:37 AM

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Lmao no one will be saying grille or jg needs nerfs

lunar niche Jan 26, 2019, 10:37 AM

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Trashpanzer E100 has the 3rd worst wr and worst avg dmg among tier X td. Only above Grille and 183 in terms of WR.

All that armour yet behind every 640 alpha tds, even on avg dmg.

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:38 AM

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I liked the idea of heavies and tds losing more view range. Make the meds have a more significant role.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:38 AM

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@earnest kettle
Yes buff the meds and make teyr life easy and take out all td from the game

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Makes the game way more enjoyable than getting f*cked from the back of the map all the time 🤷

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:39 AM

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And after take out from game havey as well :)))) @lone warren
Wats the roll of the meds ? Just asking

sharp island Jan 26, 2019, 10:39 AM

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let's just make all tanks have same stats. there, balanced

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:40 AM

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@sharp island
Thats what Im saying :)
Make them all meds :)))))

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:40 AM

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If there are no light tanks they need to be the ones spotting. They are the ones who should be making flanks and using their mobility.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:42 AM

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@lone warren
So whyyou need td then....I hope they sout down all tds and let only meds or lights an alll gonna be happy :)

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Mediums should be the strongest class, cause theyre the combination of light and heavy after all

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Not really.

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Like @earnest kettle sayed make all of them with same stats

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:43 AM

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🤦

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Guess he got r/woooosh‘ed

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:44 AM

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I didnt say that but ok lol 😂😂

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Heavies —> absorb shots
Meds —-> provide spotting and flanking
Tds —-> deal damage and provide back line support.
Right now there is no significant difference in view range and it really hinders the role of a med. Especially when maps reward camping in a bush and spotting mediums for yourself

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:45 AM

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@earnest kettle
Just joking
But is what lots of pkayer dont understand

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Tds provide back line....I thouth you just wanna kamikaze tanks not that one with the sniping job :)

sharp island Jan 26, 2019, 10:47 AM

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u saying that is like saying that all heavies should go frontline

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:47 AM

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More realistic:
Heavies --> Be meatshields
Meds --> try to do dmg
Td's --> camp and be useless
Lights --> Yolo rush and die

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 10:47 AM

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Its a generalisation of roles. I know there are exceptions

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 10:48 AM

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T95 is an exception

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:48 AM

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That's the average player's view I guess

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Ofc not all heavys are real heavys like 50b and not all Tds are made to camp like e4

sharp island Jan 26, 2019, 10:49 AM

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was referrin to deathstarsf

jovial kernel Jan 26, 2019, 10:50 AM

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E3 and T95 are probably the best meat shields in the game

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:50 AM

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What a storm I produce 😂😎

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Don’t forget AT 2 @jovial kernel

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Deathstar is a virtual p enlargement nothing more 😂😂

jovial kernel Jan 26, 2019, 10:51 AM

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pretty much

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 10:51 AM

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@sharp island
I did't !

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@earnest kettle
Just a virtul gamer nothing more.

jovial kernel Jan 26, 2019, 10:54 AM

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the 183 exists for the sole purpose of padding average damage change my mind

earnest kettle Jan 26, 2019, 10:54 AM

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^

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Sees a teammate dealing 4000 damage
Impressive
Realises he's using the FV 215(b) 183
Meh.

sharp island Jan 26, 2019, 11:00 AM

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^

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Anyways, the tank types are categorized into 4: Heavies, Lights, Mediums and TDs.
Although categorized as such, they have their nuances that fits into their respective niches.
Heavies:
Meatshields/Flank Holders like the KVs and the Maus tanks, meant to grab the enemy’s attention and get focused on for the sake of their team
Ridgeline Heavies like the ST-I, American HTs and the likes.
Heaviums like the IS-series tanks, pretty mobile tanks with decent firepower.
Flankers like the AMX 50 series.
TDs:
Snipers like the SU-122-54 and the Grille 15
Assault tanks like the E3, Foch, 263 and 268.
Fear inducing tanks like the Jg Pz E 100 and the Death Star, due to their high alpha, acts as a stopgag to an enemy push.
Mediums:
Flankers like the Leopards,
Ridgeliners like the M48 and STB-1
Hulldown tanks like the Obj 140 and T-62A

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:02 AM

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I'd say the Jageru might not actually be fear-inducing, but still, nice summary.

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Well, it’s technically not fear inducing, but I cannot remember the word I want to use. Anyways, the two tanks provide a no push zone, as their alphas can take 2/5 or 1/2 of the enemy tank’s HP pool, depending on the tank

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Noyce

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:06 AM

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I cannot do much for light tank summaries as passive scouting is practically useless. They all play a role in active scouting. And at tier VIII, all of the LTs play a wholly different role from one another.
Ltwt is a Pseudo-Medium
Ru is a DPM/HESH monster
T49 is a derp
AMX is a clipper

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 11:09 AM

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@shy wren
Fair and nice description
Does anyone fear of fv183 ?
Personnally ...if I meet one in battle I just go on it wit confidence :)

thick condor Jan 26, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Passive scouting in pubs is meh. Youll see an opportunity for it occasionally. In tourney play its common on some maps

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Passive scouting in a Rhm
Best strategy

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Um, good luck running away when spotted

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Rhm never runs
Rhm shoots or dies
Rhm is a hero

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:13 AM

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@spare peak anyways, nobody really wants to get half their HP deleted, hence the tank becoming useful for intimidation factors (just remembered the word).

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 11:15 AM

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@shy wren
An amx50b can take you more then half hp in arounde 20 sec ....like 183....jg can do that as well ...grill ...:)))

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:16 AM

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AMX needs 6s to fully unclip, while the Death Star only needs 1s

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 11:16 AM

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To lose half ore more hp is aboute the player
To take half is aboute the ayer as well

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Jg ,grill,e4,e3...e.t.c how many need ? Just asking

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Technically, the Death Star doesn't need 1 second.
It damages you instantly and spends 1 second to hide.
Grille/E4/E5…etc has about 2/3 the alpha damage of the Death Star, so they won't take half your health off.

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Only a third. Heavies tend to have around 2000-2500hp, mediums have 1800-1900hp

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 11:20 AM

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I can sow you some sreen shoot .... with demage per shoot did by isu152,grill ,wt ,jg...e.t.c

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:21 AM

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Well okay

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Should the SU-101 have an armor buff?
Superstructure to 150mm and the hull to 105mm?

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Um
Idk I haven't bought it yet
I could, but rn I wanna have another tier X first
I'd suggest buffing the hull instead of the superstructure, since it can't hulldown

dusky oxide Jan 26, 2019, 11:27 AM

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I think su101 should be different from chinese tds. Make it the more accurate and mobile one.

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Well while waiting for your pics, I'm gonna show you what the FV183 can do @spare peak

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dusky oxide Jan 26, 2019, 11:30 AM

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The su-101 armor is pretty great as is. At least i would rather have better gun handling in that tank, its not easy to get shots off with minimal amount of gun depression so for example better aim time would make it significantly quicker and easier to get a shot off and not receive one in return.

ivory crypt Jan 26, 2019, 11:30 AM

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It can get hit by a jageru?

dusky oxide Jan 26, 2019, 11:30 AM

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No-one plays the su101.

iron lynx Jan 26, 2019, 11:32 AM

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Well that's the Jageru damage
Now for a FV183 hitting another FV

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Maus getting hit with an FV183 AP shell
HESH can deal about 40% more damage if it pens

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shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 11:36 AM

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@dusky oxide I do, though
The 100mm gun is a nightmare to use. It had good DPM, but that -2° of gun depression really sucks.

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I haven’t got the luxury to free exp the top 122mm M62 gun

spare peak Jan 26, 2019, 11:40 AM

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@iron lynx
Ill send them to yyou in a hour as Im on street not in front of my comp

dusky oxide Jan 26, 2019, 12:11 PM

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@shy wren wym had? And yeah its very tricky sometimes but thats why i like it, once youve figured out how to stop truggling with it you get a tank with high alpha, high pen, good mobility and decent armor with excellent angling. I did try the 100mm when i was grinding but the 122 is a lot easier to use. It was my fav tech tree tank in the game before the introduction of bcs.

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Too bad i'll always be pissed about wz120ft being a better option.

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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i search a good clan

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i am fr

coarse harness Jan 26, 2019, 1:12 PM

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#clan-search

shy wren Jan 26, 2019, 1:29 PM

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@dusky oxide typo; *has

balmy cipher Jan 26, 2019, 3:33 PM

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The front hull was protected by 60 mm (2.36 in) armor, sloped at a 30° angle, giving an effective frontal thickness of 90 mm (3.54 in), while the sides had 45 mm (1.77 in) at 90°, and the rear 45 mm (1.77 in) at 45°. The turret face and mantlet were 90 mm (3.54 in) thick, with 75 mm (2.95 in) sides and 52 mm (2.04 in) at the rear http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_T34-85.php @unique scaffold @abstract marsh @snow rock

Tank Encyclopedia

T-34/85

The T-34/85 was rearmed with a modified 85 mm (3.35 in) AA gun, housed in a new turret. It was produced in larger numbers than the first model, until 1947.

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Devs please reduce the service cost in low tiers. I always lost all my credit.

late tiger Jan 26, 2019, 3:42 PM

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How? ... why do you even play low tier (seal clubber) or are you new to the game? @unique scaffold

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Mhhmmm well that's what happens when everything is red in low tiers xD (Don't know where the s came from)

late tiger Jan 26, 2019, 3:43 PM

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@smoky yoke I have never played slow tiers what is it?

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👌 all good now

winged barn Jan 26, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Low tiers are slow and boring.

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 3:47 PM

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This only tank I have not mastered in lower tech tree and it's getting more and more fustrating

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This tank only makes 30 dmg per shot which is ridiculous and apcr is like 10-25 dmg.

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 3:50 PM

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@late tiger not newbie. But trying to get another tier x line from usa. But losing all my credits due to that shitty teammate and service cost

late tiger Jan 26, 2019, 3:51 PM

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@smoky yoke I got mine mastered with a raseinais + kolobanov before 5.5

smoky yoke Jan 26, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Nice, I would have loved to do that but all the auto-loaders normally ruined my games in it.

rustic fossil Jan 26, 2019, 4:06 PM

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@shy wren SU101, even with the 122mm is Hard to use. It’s doesn’t need an armor buff, it needs a buff to the DPM and gun characteristics (gun arc, aim time etc.). It’s quite difficult to get shots off when sniping and it’s versatility as an assault gun is limited.

dusky oxide Jan 26, 2019, 4:09 PM

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^

rustic fossil Jan 26, 2019, 4:23 PM

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The recent 5.6 WR charts in developers section put any doubts that the Vk100.01P and the Mäuschen will be nerfed to rest

coarse harness Jan 26, 2019, 4:38 PM

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The Mäuschen maybe not.

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The only problem is that, it takes some skill to pen a super heavy, and the avarge player don't want to use his brain🤷🏻‍♂️

rustic fossil Jan 26, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@coarse harness I think it will. The WR of the Mäuschen is 3.5% higher than the WR of the next highest tank (E75) and sticks out like a sore thumb.

coarse harness Jan 26, 2019, 4:43 PM

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*the next highest heavy

vivid elk Jan 26, 2019, 5:05 PM

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The vk100 and mauschen have bad armor i could pen the vk with my t69 in the lower plate at an angle

coarse harness Jan 26, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Like every other tank in that tier, but they can hide it🤫

median gust Jan 26, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Exactly, hull down not yolo mid

white vessel Jan 26, 2019, 6:44 PM

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R/woooooooosh

brazen frost Jan 26, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Do you think the T28 Proto will get a nerf?

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 7:47 PM

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No why it isn’t OP at all

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 7:49 PM

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I feel like you’re joking. Or probably hope you are

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Well it doesn’t seems over performing according to the charts and the tank itself is balanced IMO
Average damage and WR of T28 PT are lower than the ones of T32 which has been totally power creeped

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I wasn’t referring to your comment

unique scaffold Jan 26, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Oops my bad

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Nah that was me i wasnt clear

brazen frost Jan 26, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I think it’s pretty weak personally, but it’s quite high on the charts

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Actually nvm it’s 55-65%ers so 60% isn’t unusual

rancid flame Jan 26, 2019, 8:36 PM

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The T28 Proto. is pretty much universally accepted as being one of the worst tier 8s. You are about as slow as a TOG, so good luck getting anywhere on maps other than copper field or mines. That being said, I loved my T28 proto, but I was constantly getting caught out of position due to a combination of poor timing on my part and the absolutely worst mobility in tier 8

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Also, good luck getting into any kind of position on massive maps like Faust, most of the battle is over before you get there

noble shale Jan 26, 2019, 8:38 PM

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I think that the swedish TD high tiers will be an issue with enhanced armor equipment
because at 40 mm they are overmatchable for all 121mm guns and over
that would add 1.6 mm more armor
which would mean only 127mm guns and over could overmatch

rancid flame Jan 26, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Which still leaves German superheavies and TDs

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And the IS 7, which means everything that’s supposed to deal with them head-on can

noble shale Jan 26, 2019, 8:40 PM

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that means most tanks at tier 10 cannot even pen it frontally except for tiny cupola

rancid flame Jan 26, 2019, 8:43 PM

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But most tier 10 tanks are meds which typically aren’t supposed to deal with TDs head on, again, for the high tier ones I’m basically expecting fancy versions of the Fake Tank

noble shale Jan 26, 2019, 8:44 PM

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the tier 9 swede also has 40mm of armor

rancid flame Jan 26, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Are you counting in normalizing angles for tanks armed with HEAT as well?

noble shale Jan 26, 2019, 8:48 PM

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just admit it. Its gonna be a problem

rancid flame Jan 26, 2019, 8:50 PM

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No one knows if it’s going to be a problem or not, and if anything gets even slightly above it, that armor is kaput. There’s a lot of altitude variation on most blitz maps, and even in siege mode it doesn’t have that much gun depression. I think you’re over-reacting

hasty juniper Jan 26, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Enhanced armor doesn’t buff the thickness of the armor directly, it buffs some unknown armor coefficient that makes the armor stronger without actually increasing thickness(which means it does not affect overmatch)

balmy cipher Jan 26, 2019, 9:06 PM

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The front hull was protected by 60 mm (2.36 in) armor, sloped at a 30° angle, giving an effective frontal thickness of 90 mm (3.54 in), while the sides had 45 mm (1.77 in) at 90°, and the rear 45 mm (1.77 in) at 45°. The turret face and mantlet were 90 mm (3.54 in) thick, with 75 mm (2.95 in) sides and 52 mm (2.04 in) at the rear http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_T34-85.php @unique scaffold @abstract marsh @snow rock @charred comet t34-85 should be buffed to specs below

Tank Encyclopedia

T-34/85

The T-34/85 was rearmed with a modified 85 mm (3.35 in) AA gun, housed in a new turret. It was produced in larger numbers than the first model, until 1947.

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 9:08 PM

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@balmy cipher this is like the fifth time you have posted this. Why?

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Constantly spam @ wargaming people with the same message probably isnt gonna work lmao

coarse harness Jan 26, 2019, 9:12 PM

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This is an arcade game, not a simulator

midnight oyster Jan 26, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Hey

Can we buff back the gun on the T7 car

supple jolt Jan 26, 2019, 9:19 PM

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T2 light has it worse

lone warren Jan 26, 2019, 9:25 PM

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lol the gun on vic

fiery flame Jan 26, 2019, 9:28 PM

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@balmy cipher stop posting the thing about the T-34-85 you’ve been sending the same message for couple of days now, it’s becoming some low level spam. The tank isn’t going to get buffed because it’s armour performs just fine as it is so please give up

coarse harness Jan 26, 2019, 9:29 PM

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In Hungary the word ,,vicc" means joke
It's ironic and true at the same time

clear wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Do you think that Gravedigger should be balanced? Because I do

midnight oyster Jan 26, 2019, 9:39 PM

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I dont really see much Gravediggers in battle

clear wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:40 PM

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It should have 4 shells in magazine instead of 6

midnight oyster Jan 26, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Like in one battle their was a platoon of gravediggers and they were hell to the other team

clear wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Right

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I meet Gravediggers in almost every battle
Mostly in enemy team

spring pelican Jan 26, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Learn to play, gravedigger is easy to kill

clear wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I don't think so

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Gravedigger has extremely sloped hull

spring pelican Jan 26, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Yea and? Dont shoot upper plate then

clear wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:48 PM

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When I try to play my kv2 "balancing", I meet that tank everytime

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It is kv2's worst nightmare

spring pelican Jan 26, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Did you ever play with gd?

clear wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:50 PM

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No

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I didnt get him

spring pelican Jan 26, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Then you cant say its overpowerd, I have it and its not so special.

clear wren Jan 26, 2019, 9:53 PM

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But 6 shells dealing 90 dmg each is 540 dmg per drum

dense remnant Jan 26, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Very forgiving tank indeed, not OP tho

dim field Jan 26, 2019, 10:49 PM

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You can pop out, shoot the GD, then back up. GD doesn't shoot fast enough to unload all of it's shells into you unless you are out in the open and let it.

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Gravedigger is great against tier 7's where the armor is sufficient but against tier 8s , it is an uphill battle

true sierra Jan 27, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Japanese Heavy's should be added. Change my mind.

slim rivet Jan 27, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I m still seeing lots of 183

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Up to 4 in the same game earlier today

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 2:09 AM

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As it is stated only thing that really changed in that tank is camo from my point of view and it's a lot faster

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I would continue playing that tank if everything that mattered in that tank was to eliminate as much tanks in the beginning so you don't get 3 vs 1 in the end

deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 3:44 AM

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@true sierra I dont need to change your mind since i agree with you.

sly iron Jan 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Are ghost shells gonna be resolved anytime?

quick lichen Jan 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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No

crystal spoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:06 AM

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What do you mean ghost shells?

dim field Jan 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Ghost shells are when you shoot and the round just goes through enemy tank but doesn't register. Or you shoot and no shell fires but you still have to reload

crystal spoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Ah ok I just call those why I dont play 24/7

proud cosmos Jan 27, 2019, 5:01 AM

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I hope the AMX Line gets buffed since autoloaders are kind of underrated in blitz.

iron lynx Jan 27, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Um
Batchat could use some buffs

burnt lava Jan 27, 2019, 5:19 AM

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@true sierra they would be hard to balance, and in the Twister Cup they were talking about it. Apparently the main reason was because they were just too big. They are mostly bigger than the Maus

deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 5:59 AM

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@burnt lava Lets be honest they arent much bigger then maus. Its just an excuse from the community who dont want them.

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jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:07 AM

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@deft owl The real reason we don't want them is that when angled properly they can literally sit out in the open and be unpennable to everything other than a TD spamming prammo, while having a no skill HE gun that will always do 400-500 damage even if you shoot it at the turret of an IS-7

deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 6:11 AM

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@jovial kernel Cuppola is not prammo proof. Neither turret face. Also if you spam he in your e100 you practically get the same gun.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:12 AM

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The Cupola literally can't be penned with 250mm pen and there is no lower plate weak spot either, plus the E 100 doesn't have 1400 alpha prammo

deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 6:13 AM

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@jovial kernel Premium he needs to go. I dont count that. Also cuppola can be easily penned with 250mm pen if you aim to middle.

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 6:14 AM

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Tanks do less damage on Blitz than on PC, and they could reduce its armor for example on cupola//lower plate as they balanced the Chrysler K that was broken on PC

deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 6:17 AM

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@unique scaffold Agree. They can always decrease the armor of it. Also i dont think that armor is really that op. In pc 340 pen heat pretty much easily goes through type5 frontal armor.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:20 AM

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@deft owl If you aim to middle? Yeah if you hit the tiny view ports which are the "weak spot" on the weak spot

deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 6:21 AM

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@jovial kernel As i sad before armor can be decreased. Its not an excuse.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:22 AM

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literally only over 75% pen spot yep that's a good thing to add to blitz

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swift siren Jan 27, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Oof

deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 6:24 AM

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First in pc tanks doing same damage with prammo and 60tp is a medium tank. Its not suppose to pen a super heavy frontally easily.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:24 AM

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@deft owl 60tp is a tier 10 Polish heavy tank with a 152.4mm gun that has 250mm pen

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just look how small that patch of green is

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deft owl Jan 27, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Ops sorry i misunderstand it. Btw dont forget 60tp can always spam prammo in pc.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Even then your chances only go up to this while they can just blast any part of your tank with HE

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Japanese heavies in general are just a broken, badly thought out concept as a whole

iron lynx Jan 27, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Well the Grille, a Tier X TD, only gets 279mm of standard penetration
Almost impossible to pen

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:40 AM

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@iron lynx btw the last image was with 317 pen HEAT lol

iron lynx Jan 27, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Well yeah.
The Japanese heavies are just an excuse to bring mega derps into the high tiers (9 and 10).

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Japanese heavies are no skill monstrosities that take no effort or skill to play

rain ivy Jan 27, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Why does that sound familiar..... 183

iron lynx Jan 27, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Yes exactly
And 183 has bad armor

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Japanese heavies are literally unpennable by 250mm pen guns when properly angled and always do 400 damage no matter where you shoot lol

drowsy plaza Jan 27, 2019, 7:13 AM

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@sly iron ghost shells aren’t really a thing. Usually if you look at the replay on a large screen you see it was a miss. The other issue is due to connection - either packet loss, or you shot where you thought a tank was - but it wasn’t actually there. Sorry for the delayed response I was offline for a while.

sly iron Jan 27, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Fair enough

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 8:54 AM

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5000R and 2500R play in one team... hypersweat i mean I already messed my calibration up and got rated silver but silver matchmaking is really bad if this is normal and wouldnt be a surprise why silvers cant climb up so good if they get so weird teams

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also the overall rating difference is 400 points which is on a 7 tanks strong team a noticeable difference

noble shale Jan 27, 2019, 8:57 AM

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@jovial kernel does the jg e100 do 1,050 damage? So what makes you think the type 5 will have the same alpha

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 8:59 AM

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They should just give it only its original gun then its fine

noble shale Jan 27, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I think it should the 14 cm and give it 600 alpha with a better rof thane100

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Yes thats the standard gun it has ^

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:02 AM

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600 alpha is too much, 540 would be better for blitz, and even then the armor is still just too much to properly balance for the game

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Just give it like 2.5 shots a minute rof with the 14cm and its balanced cs it can absorb a shit ton of damage but can barely deal any

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Hello

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:07 AM

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@earnest kettle so you're implying we make a tier 10 with less than 2000 dpm... lol

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 9:07 AM

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600 alpha would fit

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:08 AM

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@jovial kernel Why not? It has 300mm front armor

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 9:09 AM

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130mm gun does 530dmg, 150mm does 640dmg so a 140mm is okay with 600-580 imo

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:10 AM

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400mm
kek

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:10 AM

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dpm doesnt matter when nothing can pen it, you just sit in front of them for 2 mins and kill them

noble shale Jan 27, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Dude it’s easy pen with gold

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:11 AM

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no it's not lol

noble shale Jan 27, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Compared to a maus that is still hard to pen with gold properly angled

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:12 AM

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hmm yes what an easy pen with this 317mm pen HEAT

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noble shale Jan 27, 2019, 9:16 AM

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Show with is4 or e100 60tp has bad pen

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And calibrated shells are a thing too

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:18 AM

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It's absolutely immune to anything that has less than 280-290 pen and even above its not more than a 50-50 to pen. So RiP all Tier 9 tanks

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:20 AM

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@noble shale mate 317mm pen should be plenty enough to butter more than just the middle of the hatch

noble shale Jan 27, 2019, 9:22 AM

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It’s a heavy tank. The whole point of a heavy is to bounce shells. You want a “super heavy” that can be penned frontally by mediums?

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:22 AM

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I think that 317mm pen should be penning more than just the center of the hatch

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Dont forget that RNG exists

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Good luck hitting those spots reliably and then getting high enough pen rolls to go through

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:23 AM

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now the VK 100.01 (P) is a superheavy but it still has turret cheeks that are vulnerable to high pen guns with standard ammo, a cupola that's an easy pen with most prammo, and a lower plate that's practically a joke when you shoot prammo at it
The Type 5 is just idk man

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:26 AM

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But how often you'll hit those spots is another question....

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:26 AM

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They exist and are far larger than the Type 5's single "weak" spot

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:28 AM

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But yet the VK is still the best Tier 8 tank if you look at the stats...

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:28 AM

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I hate slow tanks tho xd

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:28 AM

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same 😂
If I cant rush B in 20 secs I wont play it 😂😂

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 9:30 AM

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every tank I play needs to go at least 35 kph

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:32 AM

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I mean I have every tank researched and own a few really slow bois but I dont rly like playing them

thick rover Jan 27, 2019, 9:33 AM

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@earnest kettle It could be because not many own it yet, but you could be right

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Well the graph in #devs-answers is only for 55-65% Wr players so that means that the tank does better regardless

upbeat tide Jan 27, 2019, 11:59 AM

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anyone who thinks swedish TDs need to come to blitz are dumb
balancing them would be impossible

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 12:50 PM

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@upbeat tide are you talking armor-wise or just hard to balance because of their playstyle?

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Idk, playstyle is pretty much like

Find a bush
Kemp in bush
DPM everyone to death

Sure armor would be a problem for meds but paper for anything over 120mm

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Think about how vulnerable it would be on small maps. It would have to camp alone and the enemy meds would find it in 2minutes. Kinda like a 183.

earnest kettle Jan 27, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Well it can be played aggressive too, just find a good hulldown spot and farm. But that only works when u have support

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 1:30 PM

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That sounds like defending to me since you stay in the same position, behind a hill or a bump.

upbeat tide Jan 27, 2019, 2:05 PM

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no, they are designed for large maps and slow dynamics. so juxtaposing to what blitz is supposed to be

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 3:01 PM

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O

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Ppl complaining about swedish TD's now?

upbeat tide Jan 27, 2019, 4:14 PM

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no just japanese heavies and swedish tds are hot topic and everyone is saying they should add they but hell no

coarse harness Jan 27, 2019, 4:18 PM

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https://youtu.be/8x32aBLjHYs

YouTube

TheFochYou

Foch rant: Type 5 heavy.

System specs: Asus Z170 Pro gaming LGA 1151 Intel core i7 6700k @4.4ghz Corsair H100i GTX Asus STRIX 980 TiDC3 OC Corsair RMx 650W 80 PLUS gold PSU Kingston ...

▶ Play video

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I played with the Type 4 heavy, and everything can pen you with gold ammo😉

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Type 5 not coming this year or the next, I can't remember if I read correctly before that they are thinking about it not implementing it. Swedish TD's would only be good for players who are good at this game.

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Chinese TD's are coming out next update, does no one care about them lolz

upbeat tide Jan 27, 2019, 4:27 PM

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the only good one is the tier 9

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Haha , i'd say the tier 8 and 7 would be pretty good since one has speed and the other has armor

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Why would Swedish TDs be a problem ? I’ve been waiting for my tier 10 E 25 for ages

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Well I doubt wargaming would give it e25 camp like fv183 but who knows course that tank has standard heavy tank dmg gun

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 4:34 PM

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It has a 105mm gun, actually the smallest caliber of tier 10 TDs. What standard heavy tank dmg gun? All tier 10 heavies have 120mm or more
On PC it has good camo, I don’t know how they’d balance this in blitz

crystal spoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:50 PM

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I'd change that bc that language isnt aloud @elder plaza

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The message that contains the cursing didn't

dry thorn Jan 27, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Sherman’s suck

crystal spoke Jan 27, 2019, 4:51 PM

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How have you been playing them

Bc it's in the rules you cant

dry thorn Jan 27, 2019, 4:51 PM

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And why can’t we cuss im confused. It’s not like everyone else does it all the time.

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Because

There’s kids on the server (WoTB is 13+ in NA, 7+ in EU, idk elsewhere)
This is the official WG’s server and they’re responsible for what is being posted here

Edit : btw people who cuss get warn/mute

crystal spoke Jan 27, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Yes but that's not their discord and wg has implemented all they reasonably can

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Nobody cares about the chinese

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They honestly should make the traverse of the 113 better, and give something to the 121. Just because the 113 was buffed. Only if it happens

median gust Jan 27, 2019, 5:57 PM

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113 is just better all day from 121

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 6:01 PM

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I like the 121 a lot. It’s got a great gun. Sometimes it feels a little lacking though. It has like 2800 DPM maybe that’s it

thin hamlet Jan 27, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Make it so you can buy certain premium tank tiers once you unlocked that tier on the tech tree.

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 6:08 PM

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My guess as to why chinese TDs dont seem to attract much interest is that most high tier TD players want a high alpha gun that is on either a slow and well armored chassis or a fast and weakly armored one. They dont want an assault gun that has only some armor, they either want the full head-on battle experience where they can reliably bounce and deliver a counterblast or to be able to influence the battle from far away; flank or unfortunately most often, camp at base. I'm not sure what makes these new tds different and an option to grind for someone.

thin hamlet Jan 27, 2019, 6:09 PM

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I mean the T10 Chinese TD has 200mm of frontal armor

mellow herald Jan 27, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Why are mad games/fake tanks always better. Just PLEASE make a “real” tank only mode

thin hamlet Jan 27, 2019, 6:11 PM

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But than most players would think that idea was stolen from War Thunder

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I’d like to see a 400 alpha tier 10 TD with a fully rotatable turret

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 6:12 PM

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@thin hamlet you cant sit in it as comfortably as in a jageru or probably even a foch.

lunar niche Jan 27, 2019, 6:12 PM

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@unique scaffold Waffentragger E100 with 128mm.

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 6:12 PM

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That has a clip

crude pumice Jan 27, 2019, 6:12 PM

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tullet rolling jagd is needed from user 😂

thin hamlet Jan 27, 2019, 6:13 PM

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@dusky oxide I dont think its much of a front line tank than

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Its just more of a "Sit at the back and support" type of tank.

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I said it was an assault gun. I didnt say its a frontline tank. An isu-152 is an assault gun. @thin hamlet

thin hamlet Jan 27, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Eh but I get it. Its huge in profile, traverse on it ain't the greatest. Its just an T10 ISU-152 pretty much

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Thats what it seems to resemble, with an emphasis on dpm.

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 6:19 PM

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The jgpz e100 a pain to play

feral ermine Jan 27, 2019, 6:37 PM

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But has Epic gun

lunar niche Jan 27, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Jageru's gun is far from epic.

brazen frost Jan 27, 2019, 7:13 PM

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It is tied for best pen though

lone warren Jan 27, 2019, 7:20 PM

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take a look at pinned messages 😏

quick lichen Jan 27, 2019, 7:31 PM

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@frozen cloak ^

tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 7:58 PM

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soooo glad that you took the tank with the worst WR and nerfed it to make it worse......way to balance it out.

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Well other players complain about the tank a lot course they want to drive in the open more xD, I personally only rarely get shot by fv 183 course I know the camping spots for it. But the tank is the same, you just can't shot and stay in the same place anymore, you will get spotted

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📎 WoT_Blitz_1_15_2019_11_19_21_PM_Trim.mp4

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Wrong Video , correct one here, that accuracy after update

📎 WoT_Blitz_1_15_2019_11_19_21_PM_Trim_3.mp4

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I even had a clutch shot in this match xD Was not even expecting a pen

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📎 WoT_Blitz_1_15_2019_11_19_21_PM_Trim_6.mp4

spark orchid Jan 27, 2019, 8:32 PM

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👌

tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 8:58 PM

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i got it...so no more TD for the 183, make it move in close....still same reload....no armor....worse camo...worse track rotation....worse dispersion....yup sounds balanced

upbeat tide Jan 27, 2019, 9:02 PM

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yeah i would say 183 is fairly balanced atm...

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 9:08 PM

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To the average player this tank is going to suck now.

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Imagine when this tank came out and could sidescrap, now it has no armor and the camo is gone, From release to now that tank has been nerfed to hell xD

coarse harness Jan 27, 2019, 9:13 PM

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They made the tank worse than before, not different
The avarge player will use the same play style, but less effectively🤷🏻‍♂️

lunar niche Jan 27, 2019, 9:25 PM

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People complaining about nerf to traverse and no armour should drive a Grille.

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Camo only thing note worthy that was nerfed, it got an engine boost so the transverse nerf is not felt. So before I was rocking less than 20km/h going places, now am steadily at 20 km and up. Grille , everyone complained about camo and mobility and war gaming complied by nerfing it to the ground so the same people that complain about fv 183 is the same people that complained about the grille

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In doing so , now it has the worst win-rate and avg dmg in tier 10 tds lols comparatively together. At least fv 183 still has the most avg dmg but grille is last in avg dmg and second to last in win-rate

coarse harness Jan 27, 2019, 9:38 PM

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The jageru is the last in dmg😐

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 9:38 PM

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How did I miss that

tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 9:38 PM

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funny how when I complained that the mediums where op and that the game was starting to revolve around them nothing happened....

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Didn't all the meds in tier 10 get a nerf? I remember there being two type of nerfs for tier 10 meds got a board nerf in dpm and the premium shell nerf which mostly affected med tanks due to low penetration

tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 9:44 PM

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jack with thier pen numbers. which didnt really affect. WGs love its mediums and lights....

white vessel Jan 27, 2019, 9:47 PM

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This is an arcadegame so it should be fastpaced

tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 9:49 PM

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ok then take out the heavies and td......

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 9:51 PM

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All tanks are dependent on meds to spot , heavies depend on meds to spot enemy team, TD's are much more dependent on team to survive long enough to make use of their gun. That's why most of the time they have the worst win-rates, course they depend on team to spot and stay alive. Heavy tanks on the other hand , once the enemy team is spotted , they can do their business.

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I suck at tier 10s since I don't play it much. Since I was a free to play player and could not afford all those -20k credits every match every now and then to win >.>

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Indeed. Meds got nerfed because they could sit in front of heavies and pen them with ease. So they nerfed them and forced them to flank. Yes, the calibrated shells brought back some of that pen but the whole equipment rework benefitted heavies far more than mediums. Some could even argue that it made the current meta very strong in the favor of heavies. While the fv 183 has a bad wr, it has a very high avg dmg as you can see from the chart. So they nerfed it. The tank is still broken gameplay-wise. It creates stagnant sutuations and prevents dynamic gameplay that blitz is all about. But @tired sky cant argue that it didnt deserve a nerf.

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 9:57 PM

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But they all average out at 60% for me. An almost the same win-rate and avg dmg

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tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 9:57 PM

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I can argue that it did not derse a nerf

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Not if you dont even provide a real argument. Or a sentence...

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alm you said was this: "i got it...so no more TD for the 183, make it move in close....still same reload....no armor....worse camo...worse track rotation....worse dispersion....yup sounds balanced"

unique scaffold Jan 27, 2019, 9:59 PM

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I’ve got a problem with the IS-4, it cannot sidescrape without being damaged every single time by a shot to the drive wheel

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Lol pls buff is4 side armor

smoky yoke Jan 27, 2019, 10:00 PM

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I think most super-unicums have 3k avg and 60-70% win-rate at tier 10. Don't see them having 4k avg dmg in mediums so mediums aren't all that better

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good example of a super-unicum, almost the same for everything

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tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 10:07 PM

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My argument is that the 183 has no armor, why would you want to put the tank in close. The only way it survives long enough use its gun was to be in concealment. You cant argue that fact. You know as soon as it pops up everyone is taking a shot at it. The tank has the worse WR in the game, and instead of making it a better tank to increase the WR they make it worse.

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:15 PM

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@tired sky its not to put it close, its to give it more of a penalty to having the best alpha in the game. It shoudlnt be easy to just sit in base, keep connecting every shot and not even get spotted for it. Thats doing minimum effort and receiving max results. There's no way of making the tanks wr better. If you buff it, the avg dmg people would do in battles would also go up, maybe 2x more than the wr. There's no way of buffing it in that way other than completely changing the whole tank.

On another note, you wrote a good argument here. You bring up good pointsm

remote spear Jan 27, 2019, 10:16 PM

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@tired sky well from a simplified perspective, 183 has a ton of penetration and does a ton of damage. Not mentioning that the fact it can pen some tanks with a HE shot in the front

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:17 PM

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WG should buff the 183 side armor to 70mm to encourage sidescraping and shotgunning with the tank, since shotgunning is currently the most effective way of playing the tank

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:18 PM

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If you want to sit far away in a bush and snipe, buy a grille. Its even fast enough to actually leave the spawn, unlike the 183. I'll respect you immensely for it.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:18 PM

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otherwise I feel the 183 is in a spot where it's not game breaking at the moment

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Could be. But i still hate matches where theres 3 tds in the reds. The next charts will tell how the nerf affected the numbers.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:23 PM

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If we could set it up with 2 heavies 2 TDs, then 2-3 mediums and 0-1 batchats per team at high tiers it would be probably better balanced

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Maybe we need more light tech trees? But would they actually serve a role?

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:24 PM

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I mean we need more experimenting with high tier light tanks in general, I suggest WG add the TAM as a German tier 10 enriched light to test the waters

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:24 PM

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2td cap would be great and probably achievable. Idk how wg would feel about limiting heavies.

tired sky Jan 27, 2019, 10:26 PM

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IS6 is right, you have to give it some surviablity if you take away the concealment.

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:26 PM

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If they added LTs with gun stats like on PC, I wouldnt even touch them.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:27 PM

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@tired sky I honestly don't even think it's a big buff, it just is a little extra incentive to get people to play it the way I want them to play it lol

winged barn Jan 27, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Not even the elc?

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Side armor buff could be pretty neutral. It would allow it to defend itself but the turret would still be cardboard, which is good.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:28 PM

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I suggest light tanks should be less accurate when fully aimed and have less dpm, but have gun handling superior to mediums when on the move

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:29 PM

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I think the overall view range should be lower for light tanks to have an actual exclusive scouting role.

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:30 PM

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oh absolutely, but the dpm on lights just can't be good or else tanks like the Leopard 1 just get screwed over

lunar niche Jan 27, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Leopard and tiet X german light is already screwed on pc

I'm really curious to see how WG will buff Leopard.

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Leos been prowercrept for a while on pc right? I like how a lot of new players get it as thejr first tier x

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:34 PM

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So list of things to do with tier 10 lights
-bad dpm and fully aimed accuracy
-best on the move gun handling in the game
-good camo
-nerf the view range on every non paper tank by 20m
-sub par prammo penetration
-armor pennable by high caliber HE

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sound good?

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Sound very good. Sounds like youve thought about it.

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I'd love to have tier x with some lights. It would encourage meds to flank more, heavies to take different positions and tds to be on their toes.

winged barn Jan 27, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Giving rhm a view range advantage I see...

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:40 PM

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I wouldn't mind the Leopard 1, STB-1 and the M48 keeping their view ranges as those tanks have worse camouflage and won't be able to do the spotting role as safely without bushes, while the light tanks can use their superior camo to do their jobs

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Yep. What im still wondering is the passive scouting part. I dont think there will be a place in blitz for this kind of thing.

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It would be very predictable when theres only a couple bushes beside active areas

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:42 PM

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idk, passive spotting is actually quite effective in Vineyards if you can safely get a high view range tank up to one of the bushes near mid

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:43 PM

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The ones beside the houses?

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Ive seen heavies sit there often :D

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:44 PM

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I prefer the ones next to the rocks which are near the houses

white vessel Jan 27, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Meds/lights are not that good for keeping the enemy lit

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:46 PM

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they do tell you where the enemy is going though

dusky oxide Jan 27, 2019, 10:47 PM

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i think the ridge next to the bridge on that side is excellent. It even works with just a little gun depression. @jovial kernel

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:48 PM

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ah yeah that's a nice ridge
Also the encounter cap circle is hilarious if you can get something with a stupid strong turret there

white vessel Jan 27, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Yes and thats the only time when theyre usefull spotters. Spotting something with a risk of being hit is not worth it if use ur head to tell where the enemy is

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Only good and really bad players are hard to predict

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:49 PM

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good players are far more predictable than bad ones

white vessel Jan 27, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Im meaning wellabove average

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:51 PM

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good players I can expect to make smart plays, bad players just pull really random things that get you killed since you thought they actually made a smart play rather than making the idiot play they did

white vessel Jan 27, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Is it smart if its predictable

jovial kernel Jan 27, 2019, 10:53 PM

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You don't expect the 183 to be the one capping if the only ones alive on the enemy team are a 183 and a Leopard 1.

dusky oxide Jan 28, 2019, 12:04 AM

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I feel like theres only really bad leo dtivers and really good ones.

median gust Jan 28, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Lol... look at PT A drivers...

winged barn Jan 28, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Tog needs nerf

📎 Screenshot_20190127-185602_World_of_Tanks.jpg

ebon compass Jan 28, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Enemy team needs a buff

warm flicker Jan 28, 2019, 2:14 AM

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^^

smoky yoke Jan 28, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Tog is horrible , only good if the team is in front of you

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I played 5 games , in 4 out of the 5 my team just left me behind going 15km/h ,it's worst than matilda. But once you get your gun going tracking tanks and positioning where to shot without getting shot back your good. Other than that I would not be playing that 1 dollar tank again

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In all 5 occasions my team left me alone, all died before me >.> leaving me on a 1 vs 5 or 1 vs 4 >.<. The tank dpm is good but thankful I tracked rushing tanks and finished off the tanks that was already by me. My skill not that crappy tank that side scrapping is virtually impossible if you have team mates on that corner that died

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You should post that in hall of fame @winged barn

winged barn Jan 28, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Wait... only 3k is needed?
That is saddening

smoky yoke Jan 28, 2019, 3:24 AM

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It's more on the fact you need the rest of your team to do no dmg, which you will be wanting nubs which is even more sad

vocal dew Jan 28, 2019, 3:48 AM

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nerf darcula please!!!!

iron lynx Jan 28, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Drac is easy to kill

rain ivy Jan 28, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Just need a Chrysler or a big td gun and it's roasted

limber mesa Jan 28, 2019, 5:37 AM

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How does everyone feel about the IS-3 defender?

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 5:38 AM

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meh

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 5:55 AM

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I enjoy almost all the IS line. All have their strengths when used correctly. IS 3 is a beast! Great tank! Go one better IS 5 Clan benefits and 1500 gold. Awesome tank.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Hi

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How do they do a giveaways

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 5:56 AM

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evening fellow tanker

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just checkin out the site, about to fire up a couple of my beasts and going hunting.

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The give aways, All I know is what is on the game website, daily containers, containers you can purchase.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 5:59 AM

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so how could I win the giveaway

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:01 AM

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I don't see any other giveaways available. The ones shown up top were in December.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:02 AM

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how about the one that is in our server?

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:03 AM

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WoTB Site? They have various choices.

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Containers, Containers for gold or cash. Tanks you can purchase.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:04 AM

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How do they get WZ tank destroyer

limber mesa Jan 28, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Btw, anyone remember/know what what mad games ability the defender had?

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:05 AM

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You go to the top of your garage page and click on the bar beside your name. It will give you several options.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:05 AM

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do it show the WZs?

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:08 AM

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YOu need to click on the "bundles" icon and you will be offered containers.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:08 AM

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what website

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:10 AM

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World of Tanks Blitz... Do yo play?

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:10 AM

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I play world of tanks blitz

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:12 AM

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ok, so go from your garage , click on the shopping cart icon, choose Bundles, you can buy containers and gamble you get a tank. read about the containers.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:13 AM

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ok

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:14 AM

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Its not worth it, you can gamble with 6.99, but its not a tank that is worth more. Its a copy from the Soviet line.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:14 AM

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Ok moose I get it

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Moose do u play world of tanks blitz. If u do platoon me in the server on the platoon 3.

crisp charm Jan 28, 2019, 6:17 AM

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Go to youtube and look up any tank. Make sure you indicate WoTB. There are a few guys who are great, but I really like Bushka on Blitz. He will give you an honest review on most all tanks.

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I'll check...

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Moose, do u play Wotb. If u do,friend me and platoon,also in the server,there’s a platoon 3,I’m in there

azure hare Jan 28, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Please resuce the repair cost of vehicles from tier vi to x

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Ok

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 6:34 AM

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I don't understand people who like the IS-5 more than the IS-3

crystal spoke Jan 28, 2019, 6:44 AM

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The is5 can have more prestige then just a tech tree

limber mesa Jan 28, 2019, 6:45 AM

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It’s got a better gun too

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 6:45 AM

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how do people get WZ tank destroyer

limber mesa Jan 28, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Except for dispersion

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 7:09 AM

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MOOSE

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MOOSOR

azure hare Jan 28, 2019, 7:39 AM

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I want is5. Dont want is3 defender and is6

remote spear Jan 28, 2019, 7:58 AM

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IS-5 is more likable cuz it’s a premium tank. However I prefer the IS-3, it’s always been my favorite heavy tank until it got nerfed lol.

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 7:58 AM

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the IS-5 gun is actually garbage the IS-3 gun is infinitely better

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 7:59 AM

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IS-5 has 10mm more front armor and better angle, which make it more reliable than IS-3 front which is cardboard
But the accuracy and aim time on IS-5 are actually garbage yes

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:01 AM

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IS-3 turret is stronger, gun is more accurate with better penetration, gun handling, and AP instead of APCR, also IS-3 accelerates faster

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the IS-5 gun is just so bad the tank is literally unplayable

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Oh yeah the IS-3 has rather nice traverse

iron lynx Jan 28, 2019, 8:04 AM

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… that made me feel bad about buying the IS-5

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 8:04 AM

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The only thing on IS-5 turret that is weak is cupolas
IS-3 has only 4mm more pen
The difference between AP and APCR is almost unexistent

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:05 AM

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the difference with normalization is actually rather important

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 8:07 AM

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Not at all, it is useful only if you shoot at awkward angles, and still not reliable because of pen randomization

Fun fact : the IS-5 aims 0,2s faster than IS-3

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:08 AM

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"almost nonexistent difference"

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Rather large difference I see there, if I'm honest

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Almost nonexistent yes. Because pen randomization makes this shot unreliable

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And this VK is overangled

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:11 AM

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It's an example

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Pen normalization makes a big difference and it baffles me that people don't realize that

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15-25mm effective thickness in difference is the difference between a mostly reliable pen and a 50/50

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 8:17 AM

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People just got trolled enough by RNGesus to not rely on this
Let’s use a realistic example. Auto bounce angle is at 30 degrees. With normalization, 130mm armor at 35 degrees is 226mm effective. Which is still too much for it, unless you get a lucky high pen roll

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:18 AM

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First of all, autobounce is at 20 degrees and 10 degrees with HEAT, second of all for AP that's gonna normalize to 30 degrees but with APCR it only normalizes to 33 degrees which is an appreciable difference

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and on top of that, the IS-5 just has lower pen

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 8:21 AM

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My bad about the auto bounce angle. But AP has 5 degrees of normalization. Not 10. And if I calculate again, effective armor will be approximately 308mm. Unless your enemy is over angled, none of the guns will pen
And, again, 4mm difference isn’t much and 221 is still viable

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:22 AM

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@unique scaffold I was assuming you meant 35 degrees as the base angle, not the post normalization angle, second of all I don't know about you, but 95% of my shots are taken at pieces of armor that aren't within 2 degrees of being perfectly perpendicular with the trajectory of my shells.

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Also before you ask, I am one of those hipsters that drives the IS-6 with the AP slinging stock gun.

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 8:25 AM

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I just don’t shoot at such angles. I just need to find a better position. No need to shoot at 90 degrees, but shooting near the auto bounce angle isn’t a good move

I have to end this discussion here because I have class.

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:25 AM

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The IS-3 gun is still just infinitely better imo

iron lynx Jan 28, 2019, 8:28 AM

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IS-5 uses HEAT as prammo, with just 5 more pen than the IS-3 APCR with 265mm penetration. Generally, APCR is more reliable than HEAT.

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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AP>everything else change my mind

tawny sail Jan 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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apcr better

dim field Jan 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Body slamming > ammo

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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AP is actually better than APCR, the only reason you'd want APCR is if you can't lead targets well

tawny sail Jan 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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either way, its easier to use apcr in all circumstances pretty much.

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:41 AM

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AP pens better tho

tawny sail Jan 28, 2019, 8:41 AM

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not all the time. but at range kinda yeah

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:42 AM

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nah, AP pens better at anything that's angled by more than 2 degrees and any shot over 100m

tawny sail Jan 28, 2019, 8:42 AM

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apcr sounds and looks cooler

iron lynx Jan 28, 2019, 8:43 AM

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If both have the same penetration, then AP is better
People usually associate APCR with extreme penetration

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:43 AM

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big darn can't argue with that

coarse harness Jan 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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An if both has the same velocity, like T-62A and Obj. 140

dusty egret Jan 28, 2019, 8:47 AM

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Fv183 has become shit man

tawny sail Jan 28, 2019, 8:48 AM

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nah, just need to aim more now. it was either accuracy or pen that was getting a nerf on it so...

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:48 AM

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try using the 183 as a shotgun

iron lynx Jan 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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FV183 should never have much accuracy anyway

coarse harness Jan 28, 2019, 8:52 AM

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It never had much accuarcy🙄

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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it wasn't exactly inaccurate tho

iron lynx Jan 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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For such a big gun, its accuracy is above average previously.

coarse harness Jan 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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The jageru has 0.317 dispersion

iron lynx Jan 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Without HESH

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Well it's not really like either of them need to aim to pen with AP, the accuracy needed to be sub part to ensure it couldn't easily pen heavies and the more toughly armored mediums with HESH so it wasn't going to be stupid OP

coarse harness Jan 28, 2019, 9:32 AM

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📎 Screenrecorder-2018-08-14-21-00-24-99700000.mp4

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 9:41 AM

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seems legit

coarse harness Jan 28, 2019, 9:43 AM

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I could make a wtf compilation

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:50 AM

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@lusty silo explain me this please... ameowcoffeespit

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just wtf is dis...? Bronze league versus Diamond league...

thick condor Jan 28, 2019, 11:52 AM

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The problem with MH is players who are uncalibrated imo

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:52 AM

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i mean I never even saw a brinze league player, I thought that league was just a myth but then against Diamond?

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https://tenor.com/view/omg-no-way-what-why-gif-9934443

Tenor

thick condor Jan 28, 2019, 11:53 AM

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There's a few of them on NA, i assume thats EU?

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:53 AM

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yes EU

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Jako being place 31 on EU, meindl place 29000

thick condor Jan 28, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Yeah we have a few. At one point i beleive one managed to get below 1k rating. Not to put on a tinfoil hat but i will say na has a problem with rigging lately

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Is it very hard to get 5k on eu? Because on na its pathetically easy.

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:59 AM

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i dont know, im on silver still - i messed my rating up quite impressively tbh. so im on my way up. but i guess its harder as we have more users on the server and quite a lot competitive clans that care about their rating

thick condor Jan 28, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Silver 2k silver?

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Ouch... and I thought I had it rough when I calibrated into 4k but i still had to do 100 battles for the camo on 2 tanks

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Nas small server size is both a gift and a curse. Playing ratings around 10pm or pubs around 3am really sucks. You often get the same players over and over

balmy wadi Jan 28, 2019, 12:25 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270709637655953408/527176527889039398/image.png

dusky oxide Jan 28, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Why does the revalorise have such a high avg dmg compared to other meds with a high alpha gun like the t34-3 and t34-2?

balmy wadi Jan 28, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Nobody seems to talk about how good the E5 is.

coarse harness Jan 28, 2019, 12:31 PM

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The Rev. was a new tank, and the T-34-2 is a piece of crap

lone warren Jan 28, 2019, 12:36 PM

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@thick condor its not that hard to get diamond league. Just a lot of grinding and i for one cba to do that

thick condor Jan 28, 2019, 12:39 PM

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@lone warren so not that different from na? I see

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At least queue times are better this go-around. After about 5k last season queue times were horrendous

winged barn Jan 28, 2019, 12:51 PM

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@coarse harnessthe t34-2 is not crap.

tall inlet Jan 28, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Its good

dusky oxide Jan 28, 2019, 1:19 PM

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@coarse harness how would it affect the graph if its a new tank?

elfin marlin Jan 28, 2019, 1:44 PM

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@unique scaffold I am in silver league too and that is because my calibration time was filled with bronze league noobs in tier 10. They all had 37-45%wr. One had 26% wr ....I ended up with 2656 points. I only play tier 9-10 battles mostly tier 10. Now I am slightly up to 2800 points. It is a struggle to get out silver league and enter gold league. I also encounter diamond players in the red teams. Mm sucks, I told this before.

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I play grill, fv183 and e100 the most in ratings

lone warren Jan 28, 2019, 1:52 PM

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I rarely do ratings anymore. Last time I qualified was for the twister one just to get the medal ngl i like collecting the unique awards. If i ever play rating i take my reliable e3 or ru251

azure hare Jan 28, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Tier vi to x vehicle repair cost too much. Constantly loosing credits

heady laurel Jan 28, 2019, 2:46 PM

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@azure hare play premium tanks, like the Lowe, T-34, and Cheiftan Mark 6 to make credits at higher tiers. Tech tree tanks need cerdit boosters and premium time to make credits at tiers 9 and 10 unless your pumping out 3k damage and 3 kills.

Tier 10 is a luxury tier to play and its not for free. Thats what tiers 8 and under are for. Once you have more experience you will do better at tiers 6-8 for credot grinding.

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@azure hare. It all comes down to doing damage. If you aren't earning your keep in the tier you are playing you are most likely going to lose credits. Focus on staying alive and try not to trade hits. Do damage without taking damage.

forest perch Jan 28, 2019, 2:52 PM

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When was the chieftain sold?

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On sale*

quick lichen Jan 28, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Spring 18?

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We all got them before mobile masters last year so April or May

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Sounds about right

quick lichen Jan 28, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Only to not be able to use them 🙃

bright violet Jan 28, 2019, 3:29 PM

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this game sucks !!!! full of noobs 💩

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 3:29 PM

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If there weren’t noobs in this game, nobody would ever play it. We all start as noobs.

lapis shadow Jan 28, 2019, 3:30 PM

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^

bright violet Jan 28, 2019, 3:30 PM

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yep but when you see a player with 20 000 batlles 45 % of wr and less than 500 dmg/game , there is a big problem

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 3:32 PM

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If they have 20000 battles, they are hardly noobs, are they?

bright violet Jan 28, 2019, 3:32 PM

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they act like that

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Some people don’t have the privilege to top grade wifi, or have slower reflexes than us with decent stats, but still like playing the game.

lapis shadow Jan 28, 2019, 3:34 PM

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^

cunning kindle Jan 28, 2019, 3:34 PM

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^^

bright violet Jan 28, 2019, 3:35 PM

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and kill the game

white vessel Jan 28, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Us noobs make goodplayers look good

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 3:38 PM

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How are they doing that if u have a win rate over 50%? If your gonna rip on the players that cause u to lose one game, then you should equally rave about the players that get u a big time win.

white vessel Jan 28, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Im not talking about winrate but dmg and wn8

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But without bad players there would be no good players

quartz crown Jan 28, 2019, 4:45 PM

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@dusky oxide I think if you have 30% wr and enjoy the game that’s a lot better than being taught and having 70%

fiery flame Jan 28, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Yeah this is a game after all, as long as you are having fun it doesn’t matter what stats you have. Just personally for me I have more fun when I win more, but that’s not the same with everyone

dusky oxide Jan 28, 2019, 5:00 PM

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@quartz crown being taught what? And i think having a 30% wr has a negative impact on other players. I wouldnt want a person like that on my team. You have to really ruin games to have a 30% win rate. Teamwork and trying to win is part of having that fun.

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 5:03 PM

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How does this pertain to balance?

heady laurel Jan 28, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Sounds like this group needs a game/life balance.

Stats aren't going to get you a low intrest rate on a house, a wife, or anything worth while in life. Quit focusing on electrons on glass and stats from pixel tanks.

Now if its about in game balance, I havent seen the effect from the 183 nerf reducing 183 players. Hey hey, what can I do.

lone warren Jan 28, 2019, 5:16 PM

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In the eu server its pretty noticeable. I see one deathstar on the enemy team every other game or so. I definitely dont see two on the enemy team consistently anymore

slim rivet Jan 28, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I do, up to 4 DS in a game this week end (2 in each team) @lone warren

dusky oxide Jan 28, 2019, 6:37 PM

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I like chatting to people more than i like being in battles. I study a lot every day for university entrance exams. Its fun to analyze the game just for the reason that its not serious, but interesting. Stats in matches and about tanks are the most effective way to do it. @heady laurel
Im pretty sure i've seen less 183s. At least its not as usual to get 2 in the same team. I guess we would need to look at numbers to find out.

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@slim rivet i bet it was either a very quick game or really long-winded

upbeat tide Jan 28, 2019, 6:45 PM

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@dusky oxide the game is really easy once you figure out patterns and strategies. Being Russian helps too

slim rivet Jan 28, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Honestly I don’t remember the game length @dusky oxide 183 is praised by average players who love the possibility to score damages with little effort. I don’t think they feel impacted by the nerf and I strongly believe that they are not even aware that a nerf happened

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 6:56 PM

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game is git gud ballanced

dusky oxide Jan 28, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I believe in that too. Theres some tanks that have their own target group of players. @slim rivet

indigo knot Jan 28, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Does anyone have any idea when is the type59 event coming???

forest perch Jan 28, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Probably Feb 5th

iron dawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I heard after the 15th

quick lichen Jan 28, 2019, 8:30 PM

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5th or the 12th. It’s almost always a Tuesday

visual nimbus Jan 28, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Is it one of those events were if you screw up you failed?

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Which do you prefer as good fast firing tank? Panther M10 or T23E3? Just out of curiosity

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Comet @unique scaffold

analog dagger Jan 28, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Get a normal panther, almost the same DPM as comet with more armor but less mobility

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 9:36 PM

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half the gun depression tho

clever mauve Jan 28, 2019, 10:07 PM

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@unique scaffold panther m10 is underrated

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Panther/M10 is literally the worst tier 7 med change my mind

fiery flame Jan 28, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Eh it’s got average pen, really good dpm, nice accuracy, good armour, good mobility. I don’t see anything wrong with the tank @jovial kernel

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 10:23 PM

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the dpm is the same as the normal Panther but with 48mm less penetration @fiery flame

fiery flame Jan 28, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Well yeah that’s not great but look on the bright side, you get more gun depression

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And it’s a premium tank so it will make good credits if you play it well @jovial kernel

white vessel Jan 28, 2019, 10:27 PM

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But then there is type 62 and comet

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No reason to play below t8 for credits

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:29 PM

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I'd rather play the Bromwell in tier VIII over the Panther M10 😆

fiery flame Jan 28, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Rip, it’s a novelty tank, remember that it came out back in the days when “premiums weren’t better than tech tree variants”

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Those were much simpler times

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:32 PM

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And don't forget that update 3.8 was a massive ninja Nerf to high dpm mediums like the t23, the m10, and the comet.

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And the premium ammo Nerf didn't help either.

fiery flame Jan 28, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Was that when they stripped all the equipment? @unique scaffold

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I actually liked that they removed all of the annoying binoc + camonet campers, don’t understand why they had to drop the rammer down from 10%

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Yup. I still despise that update. Prior to 3.8 a med could mount vents and the full strength rammer. The tier VII meds felt like they were hit the hardest. They are constantly bottom tier so losing pramo alpha + raw rof = a painful hit to DPM.

And heavies gained a boost to their armor. 😒

fiery flame Jan 28, 2019, 10:43 PM

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I feel like they should have had slightly different equipment selections for each tank type to balance them better, unfortunately that’s never gonna happen

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:47 PM

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How u guys can be veterans?

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:48 PM

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@ancient belfry

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@fiery flame. I'm still hopeful. I'd like heavies and TD's to lose coated optics. I really don't care what they get in its place.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Im a youtuber

median gust Jan 28, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Do you have 2,00 subscribers?

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:50 PM

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my YouTube channel is reckzo and I play fortnite and wotb

median gust Jan 28, 2019, 10:51 PM

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2k subs boi

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Do u see it?

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Search up reckzo and that’s my YouTube channel

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:56 PM

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No. Do you or do you not have the required amount of subscribers? @ancient belfry

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:56 PM

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I got like 100k subscribers

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I really doubt that

jovial kernel Jan 28, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I really doubt that that's actually his channel

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:58 PM

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So now u know

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I really don't care 😆

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:58 PM

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ok

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Take this to #general-blitz-discussion . This isn't the place to discuss roles.

Let's gt this back on topic. I don't think the Death Star Nerf went far enough. People are still playing it.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 10:59 PM

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me?

rain ivy Jan 28, 2019, 11:02 PM

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@unique scaffold replace HESH for HEAT and give the Batchat 4 shots in clip

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:05 PM

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@rain ivy <<<. I like this guy

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And a 2.5 second interclip reload. Makes no sense that the T57 heavy loads shots faster. None , zip, zero, nada.

rain ivy Jan 28, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Bigger turret = more room for the cola of course, so the frenchie needs more space for baguette and wine

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 11:08 PM

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@unique scaffold do u work in community helper?

thin condor Jan 28, 2019, 11:08 PM

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The T57 is slower though

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:09 PM

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So? 3 seconds is too long.

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Do you?

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@ancient belfry. I am a community helper. What do you want?

rain ivy Jan 28, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Jokes aside, I can see that, since the 183 is supposed to be countered by the BC, but BC can only do 900 at best, 183 does 1300

ancient belfry Jan 28, 2019, 11:10 PM

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ok just knowing

rain ivy Jan 28, 2019, 11:11 PM

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And in less time

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Avatars should be reworked as well, maybe give a credit earning bonus depending on rarity, and upes give extra credits

unique scaffold Jan 28, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Autoloading lights in general need some love. I think that Wargaming nerfed them all a bit to harshly when they introduced them to blitz. I gey that they don't want them running around clipping out tanks but I think they over did it

rain ivy Jan 28, 2019, 11:18 PM

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That's how it usually goes

jovial kernel Jan 29, 2019, 12:03 AM

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@unique scaffold you say you don't really care what replaced coated optics in heavies and TDs but what if it got replaced with binos lol

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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That isn't funny

jovial kernel Jan 29, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Neither am I

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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True

jovial kernel Jan 29, 2019, 12:05 AM

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:(

wet quail Jan 29, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Nothings funny

sudden pier Jan 29, 2019, 12:36 AM

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I sense a disturbance in the force

obsidian osprey Jan 29, 2019, 1:48 AM

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So what’s this about roles? How does one claim the “veteran” role

icy merlin Jan 29, 2019, 1:49 AM

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You mean high roles? Bu dum BOOM!

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I suck at jokes

obsidian osprey Jan 29, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Ha, if I knew that in certain tanks...WZ 111 1-4 low rolling skunk I’m looking at you 😑

icy merlin Jan 29, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Oof

summer notch Jan 29, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Alright, the Ferdinand needs a buff

west torrent Jan 29, 2019, 5:08 AM

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@unique scaffold a bit of an older comment you made about how Tier 7 meds were hit hard. When you consider 5/7 of the tech tree meds at tier 7 have the same or higher dpm than a tier 8 medium. It isn’t that bad, especially when you consider that those same 5 when loading pramo still have the around the same DPM as a tier 8 not shooting pramo. Some still have more l.

azure hare Jan 29, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Is5 needs a gun buff.

jovial kernel Jan 29, 2019, 5:45 AM

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It has the better hull armor than the IS-3, and it's mobile, so it deserves having a borderline unusable gun

crude pumice Jan 29, 2019, 6:21 AM

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is5 rider need getting close to enemy. is5 has hard hull tullet and body. but lower side of front is weak, so getting close and hiding the armor.
and the gun maybe work. dont snipe with is5.

cursive acorn Jan 29, 2019, 8:06 AM

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@obsidian osprey to get the veteran role you need to have +25k battles and a winrate of at least 50%.

tawny sail Jan 29, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Only 25k battles

tranquil zodiac Jan 29, 2019, 8:39 AM

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I think double price premium ammo is needed because their is currently way to much spam for it and it is ruining medium armored heavy sloap heavy tanks

tawny sail Jan 29, 2019, 8:40 AM

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No. That would break credits. Tier 10s wouldn’t make anything with premium time and boosters active.

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 9:29 AM

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@west torrent. All I read there is that tier VIII mediums need a dpm buff 😆

coarse harness Jan 29, 2019, 9:34 AM

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I think this guy was surprised by the camo nerf

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Or at least i was, this is ridicolous

tawny sail Jan 29, 2019, 10:06 AM

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It. Was. Needed.

delicate crypt Jan 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@tawny sail @coarse harness It never got nerf :>

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tawny sail Jan 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

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Lol. That’s some good RNG

native sky Jan 29, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Nerf VK100.01P pls

hushed fox Jan 29, 2019, 12:49 PM

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I faced one earlier head on in the Predator, and I penned his lower plate with apcr. The pen is weak on that tank, if it can pen it its not OP

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Its strong sure

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 12:59 PM

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@native sky. VK100 is fine.

fallow shore Jan 29, 2019, 1:00 PM

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I think it needs a nerf. It outperforms every tier 8 heavy by A LOT

native sky Jan 29, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Me too

fallow shore Jan 29, 2019, 1:02 PM

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fallow shore Jan 29, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Exhibit 1

lone warren Jan 29, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Well it is a super heavy

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Players need to learn how to prioritize, flank, and aim.

It's only a problem when your team of Windex addicts decide that it needs to be dispatched first. Its whole purpose is to take hits while the other reds shoot you. Don't play its game. It has poor DPM. Leave it alone, kill the other reds, and then deal with it last

slim rivet Jan 29, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Well said ^^ IMO vk is not a problem, unless stubbornly trying to face it 1v1

wet quail Jan 29, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Great counter the IS spam too

lunar niche Jan 29, 2019, 1:50 PM

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The LFP and low HP balances it out.

slim rivet Jan 29, 2019, 1:51 PM

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WDYM LFp?

ivory crypt Jan 29, 2019, 1:52 PM

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lower front plate

slim rivet Jan 29, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Oh. Yeah indeed the LFP is weak and easily openable, even angled. But peeps need to aim 😂

ivory crypt Jan 29, 2019, 1:55 PM

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most of the ones I face can aim, it's actually rare for me to get a player that can't

slim rivet Jan 29, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Man, it’s easier to complain about VK than to learn to aim @ivory crypt (is5 are forgiven tho)

ivory crypt Jan 29, 2019, 1:56 PM

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true

dim field Jan 29, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Ways to counter Vk

Aim for cupola
2)Aim for lower plate
Flank
Possibly use prammo
Befriend a TD
Avoid it until it's the last alive

Usually atleast 1 of those things will work against VK

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Ways not to counter Vk

Try to 1v1 it frontally while it's dug in and you're using a tank that can't pen it frontally (possibly a light tank for example)

slim rivet Jan 29, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Even t7 meds can pen LFP

dim field Jan 29, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Pretty much. Now I will be fair, a vk might not be kind enough to show its lower plate or hatch. However if it doesn't show that then it's probably not acting hyper agressive which makes it easier to back off and attack from another direction.

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 2:35 PM

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I’m pretty sure that the VK will get nerfed in the future, you say that it’s so easy to counter but regardless the stats show that the tank is outperforming pretty much everything in tier 8

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 2:41 PM

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You are probably right. It will be nerfed... Not because it is OP but because players refuse to handle them correctly.

coarse harness Jan 29, 2019, 2:59 PM

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People cry about the cupola, but i can pen it constantly with AP in my Chieftain/T95🤷🏻‍♂️

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And that tank don't even have 220+ pen😶

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Chieftain has a really accurate gun, try hitting the cupola with other guns is not very easy, but gg to you if you can hit that tiny weakspot

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I mean it’s really amazing how you can do it

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lunar niche Jan 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Why go for cupola when you can shoot big and weak LFP?

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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That’s at 100m btw, not some stupid far distance

quick lichen Jan 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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I out brawled a vk 100 yesterday in a type 59 with half of it being poking shots from the front

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Idk what the problem is. I penned the hatch with apcr and lfp with ap ¯_(ツ)_/¯

coarse harness Jan 29, 2019, 3:20 PM

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@fiery flame calibrated brah

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fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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I just spam gold at them things

coarse harness Jan 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Not nessesary

obsidian osprey Jan 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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@cursive acorn I do meet those criteria. Do I have to catch the attention of one of the WG mods to get my name a slightly different color? Lol

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Killed one in the Type62 this morning. Not a big deal.

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275mm prammo pen, Type 62 is broken

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It's great

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A bit too much

drowsy plaza Jan 29, 2019, 3:27 PM

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It’s also paper. Sure it’s got pen, but the driver needs a brain.

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Bingo.

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Almost every tanks needs brain to play. If you drive an OP tank alone into the whole enemy team, you will sure get destroyed easily. But when a tank has got second best mobility of tier 7, borderline OP fire rate, 275 prammo pen with CS while still having amazing DPM and on the top of this 150 more HP than most of tier 7 tanks that prevents it for getting one shot unless high rolls, then I wouldn’t call it balanced

quick lichen Jan 29, 2019, 3:37 PM

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@quiet kite pinned messages

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Well if you run calibrated shells to get the 275 HEAT pen you reduce your dpm...
it’s a good tank don’t get me wrong but most of the things it can do can be done by its peers with very little difference to its performance

quick lichen Jan 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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@unique scaffold any tank that starts with “IS” doesn’t take a brain to play

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Calibrated shells and 170 alpha heat = op dpm? That’s literally 20% less dpm than rammer and ap

drowsy plaza Jan 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Not to mention it reliably bounces off IS-X tanks

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Anyways why would you need the 275 of HEAT pen, you can pen everything comfortably with 250, even that stupid VK 100.01 P

quick lichen Jan 29, 2019, 3:44 PM

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@fiery flame but I can’t aim and my hands shake when I do over 500 damage

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:44 PM

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😂

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Because shooting through front plates is funny? @fiery flame

quick lichen Jan 29, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Yeah. Super heavies shouldn’t have armor. That’s just stupid

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:46 PM

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It’s was even funnier when gold ammo did the same dmg as regular AP

quick lichen Jan 29, 2019, 3:47 PM

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That’s a big nerf to that tank honestly

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The 215b was the same way

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I remember at one point I was running my t54 with only HEAT

drowsy plaza Jan 29, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Comet

lunar niche Jan 29, 2019, 3:48 PM

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HEAT to everything. Even to leopard

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 3:48 PM

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And you could run 10% rammer and vents. I miss those days 😔

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Anything with low standard pen was hit really hard with that

drowsy plaza Jan 29, 2019, 3:49 PM

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M46 etc. I am@pretty sure most of my 6-9 Meds (7/1 exception) ran a pretty steady diet of 100% APCR - and HEA T-54

unique scaffold Jan 29, 2019, 3:49 PM

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It's been almost 2 years and my T23E3 still feels like a shell of what it was.

drowsy plaza Jan 29, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Mainly as I started on an iPhone and ammunition switching was awkward at best - now that you can leave the ammo bar open it’s a lot better (-and I now have an iPad)

fiery flame Jan 29, 2019, 3:51 PM

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I remember playing the game on my iPhone 5, those were the glorious days of on the toilet 40% wr